The Ben Mulroney Show - Mark Carney has resorted to full on fear mongering

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Guests and Topics: -Mark Carney has resorted to full on fear mongering If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Ben Mulroney Show, subscribe to the podcast! https://globalnews.ca/national/program/the-ben-mulroney-show Follow Ben on Twitter/X at https://x.com/BenMulroney Enjoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, Martin, let's try one. Remember, big. You got it. The Ford It's a Big Deal event is on. How's that? Uh, a little bigger. The Ford It's a Big Deal event. Nice. Now the offer? Lease a 2025 Escape Active all-wheel drive from 198 bi-weekly at 1.99% APR for 36 months with $27.55 down. Wow, that's like $99 a week.

Yeah, it's a big deal. The Ford It's a Big Deal event. Visit your Toronto area Ford store or Ford.55 down. Wow, that's like $99 a week. Yeah, it's a big deal. The Ford It's a Big Deal event. Visit your Toronto area Ford store or Ford.ca today. Welcome to the Ben Mulroney show on this Thursday. Thank you so much for listening on CFPL in London as well as 640 Toronto. I want to thank you for picking us up on the iHeartRadio streaming app or you might enjoy us in blocks and in pieces on any podcast network that you subscribe to, be it Spotify or Apple podcasts or Amazon Music, whichever one we say thank you very much. Well, yesterday was a doozy, wasn't it? Actually, the past few

weeks have been a doozy with the stock market in freefall after Donald Trump announced his worldwide tariff reorganization of worldwide trade. He reversed course yesterday. He reversed course and the stock market took took that into account and skyrocketed by about 10 percent. It was a huge gain yesterday. The confidence returned because he paused the tariffs that he applied worldwide for 90 days. And we live in Canada, so we got asked a question. What about Canada? Nothing has changed for Canada. Everything

that was all the tariffs that were in place yesterday are still in place today, which begs the question, what exactly has Mark Carney and the liberals done to improve our situation? Let's listen to Donald Trump when he was asked why he instituted this pause. I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line. They were getting yippy, you know, they were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid, unlike these champions, because we have a big job to do. No other president would have done what I did.

No other president. I know the president, they wouldn't have done it. And it had to be done. What was happening to us on trade, not only with, you know, if you look at it, not only with China, but China was by far the biggest abuser in history and others also. Yeah, that's one way of looking at it, that people were getting nervous. And so he decided to pause it so everybody could get to the cooler heads could prevail. That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it was he didn't have any more runway and his

he was losing support left, right and center in the United States. And we will drill down into that a little bit later. But let's listen to Pierre Poliev, who was on the campaign trail yesterday about his take on all this.

While President Trump announced a 90 day pause on tariffs for dozens of countries, he kept those tariffs in place on Canada. Take that in for a moment. This after Prime Minister Carney boasted that he had a quote productive phone call with the president. He said that he had made progress with the president. What progress? What progress do the auto workers in Brampton and Windsor and elsewhere in Canada today see. And that is the question. What exactly has the leadership of the Liberal Party as our

government done to help us? They've been positioning themselves as the best buttress against Donald Trump. And there are a significant amount of voters who are leaning towards them for that reason. But what have they achieved? What have they achieved? Everybody else, more or less, is getting a reprieve. There's still some tariffs that have been levied, but almost every country in the world is better off today than they were yesterday. Canada is not. So what the heck is going on? I genuinely don't know. But none of this stuff seems to stick to Mark Carney. Almost every day, he has to walk something back or explain something away, or people have to go on TV to say that's not what he meant. Every, almost every single day.

And look, I knew that as a guy who is new to the political arena, he was gonna grow into the role. But I haven't seen growth yet. I've seen mistake after mistake after mistake. And I've also seen people poo-pooing it as if it's not a big deal. I think one of the most inflammatory foot in mouth situations was at one of his rallies when somebody screamed at him about the genocide in Gaza, which by the way, is

not a thing. And he responded to the protester. Here, let's listen to this interaction. Mr. Carney, there's a genocide happening in... Thank you. Thank you, Diana. I'm aware. Which is why we have an arms embargo. Carney! Carney! Carney! All right, now let's be clear.

It seemed pretty quiet in there. I wasn't in the room. All right, now let's be clear. It seemed pretty quiet in there. I wasn't in the room. There's ambient noise. There are other things. He was on stage. Who knows how loud it was, but all things being equal, I could hear that guy who's chanting at him or screaming at him pretty clearly, and all of you could as well.

And he clearly heard something. However, the next day he had to explain away why he essentially sounded like he tacitly agreed with the proposal that there is a genocide occurring in Gaza, which by the way is not the policy of the Liberal Party. Actually, I didn't hear that word is that you were you were there, I guess. And yeah, so it's noisy. You get if you're up there, you you hear snippets of what people say. And I heard Gaza and that. And my point was, I'm aware of the situation in Gaza.

And Canada does, as you know, it's a matter of public record. We do have restrictions since probably January of 2024 on arms exports to, or permits for arms exports to Israel, with the sole exception of the Iron Dome, which protects them more broadly. So look, didn't hear, I was stating a fact in terms of the arms restrictions. Yeah, I don't know if any other politician gets a pass on that. Like, we're just we're just skating over it as if it's no big deal. It's a pretty big deal.

And like I said, I'm willing to give a lot of people the benefit of the doubt, but I can't give you the benefit of the doubt every single time you make a misstep or say the wrong words. At some point, you gotta raise your game. And nothing seems to stick to him. Later on in the show, we're going to talk about exactly that, why this guy seems to be a Teflon candidate, where no matter what he says, no matter how bad the misstep, it doesn't seem to stick to him. And it doesn't register in the polls. But that's coming up a little bit later in the show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. And I want to play some audio for you. But before I do,

I want to give you some context that we know that the playbook for the liberals is they are holding themselves up as the best buttress against Donald Trump and the threat that he supposedly poses to Canada, right? That was the value proposition. That has been the value proposition and they've been beating that drum nonstop. And by if you believe the polls, it's working, right? So what happens when he goes away? What happens if he pauses the tariffs? What happens if he says, let's all just calm down

and we will regroup and figure this out? Well, if you're Mark Carney, you stick with what works. You stick with what works. Here's Here's what he's been saying at his rallies to his supporters. The world economy is fundamentally changed. The relationship the relationship we had with the Americans These guys weren't wrong. They want us to be the 51st state. They want to break us they want to break us so they can own us they want they want our resources they want

our water they want our land they want our country are you kidding me who the heck does this guy think he is? The relationship between Canada and the United States has endured world wars, economic recessions, a great depression, a global pandemic, and we're still here. You don't get to decide on your own that that is the case. And here's what's worse.

I don't believe for a second that he believes this. This is a blip. This is an outlier. Everything will be restored at some point. I don't think for a second he believes what he is saying, but he knows there is a type of voter that responds to this and it is older Canadians. You know the stories about how older people tend to fall for internet scams and phone scams.

This is a scam. He is fear mongering. I've never seen this in Canada before. At this level, I've heard it from Iran. I've heard it in North Korea, I have never heard of it in Canada at this level. And so I want to hear from you at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225. Talk, have you ever seen anything like this or heard anything like this? A leadership candidate to be who wants to form government is fear-mongering in order to

stay in power. We need to have a conversation about this and give me a call, let me know, are you talking to your family members who may be supporting this guy? That's it. It's the only tool in his toolbox. What else is he talking about? Nothing. And it's shameful because it's not rooted in fact, it's rooted in feelings. So let's welcome Tom to the show. Tom, what do you think of the audio we just played for you? Well, you know, I'm worried about Carney. And he keeps going like he's going to poison the relationship. Like he's going to poison the well, so to speak. Well, yeah. And Trump has a long memory, he's shown that.

And he's the most powerful man in the world right now. Like, Carney is playing with fire. And he's playing with us, he's playing with our futures. I completely agree. I do not believe for a second that there is a plan in the United States for them to take over our country. I don't believe it, it's not gonna happen, it never would happen, ever.

Just game it out with me, Tom. Think about it. Are they massing their forces at our border? And how's that gonna go for them? What's gonna happen to them on the international stage if they invade their neighbor to the north? They would be ostracized. There would be hell to pay. There would be a lot, there would be hell to pay.

That would not happen. And yet he's trying to scare people into voting for him. Like I truly believe Trump does this because he just likes trolling people. I mean, it's serious stuff, but he, you know, he's a child. I mean, I like him and all that, but he acts, you know, he just likes doing it for his own enjoyment. But with Mark Carney, if he doesn't have the threat of the chaos that's being sown, he's

going to have to go back to the 51st state stuff. That's what's happening right now. But thank you very much for your call, Tom. And let's welcome Frank to the show. Frank, what do you want to add to the conversation? You hit the nail right on the head perfectly. Gullible audience, gullible voters. Everyone I've been, and if you're right, we're about the age category.

That's not all of them. That's not a deal for people that age. It's not an attack on those people, but you know, those people you talked to them, three questions in, they're lost. Why are you voting liberal? Oh, well, the policies. Oh, what policy? Well, you know, his stance against Trump.

Trump's nothing. He's going to make us stronger if anything, but you can't tell them anything. They're extremely gullible and set in their ways, which is that age category unfortunately. Not all of them, but all of them. No, but do you have older Canadians in your family or relationships with older Canadians? I do. Trying to convince the in-laws is like, you know, trying to convince them of anything. It's like, eat your broccoli. I mean, it's just, it's like banging your head

off the wall. There's just no, there's no logic, there's no today's logic to them. Well, Frank, thank you so much for your call. And look, I'm going to repeat myself. I'm going to keep repeating myself. We went with what felt good in 2015 and look what it got us. Stop voting with your feelings.

Stop voting for the guy you think is nicer. Stop voting for tone. Vote for policy. Vote for vision. I haven't seen vision yet. I've seen, be afraid of that guy, and I'm gonna protect you. And I think that is, it's an invention.

It's a fiction. Yes, he has to be dealt with, but he's a democratically elected leader of our southern neighbor. There are ways to deal with him. And shame on Mark Carney for saying in the position he's in as an unelected prime minister that the relationship is forever changed. You do not have the mandate to say that, sir, at all. Who do we have now? We've got Rocco. Rocco,

welcome to the show. Hey, Ben, how are you doing? I'm well, thank you. Hey, I kind of agree with you, but at the same time, you know, Trump did say he wants to become a 51st state. I guess Carney could have changed his words that just this administration. I agree with the fear mongering not needed, but you know, Trump did have his eyes on our resources, our water, and our country. Listen, there's a conversation to be had about it. There's no way, no way that that is a serious threat.

It just isn't. Just think about it for a moment and think about what would be required to do it. And think about the impact that it would have on the reputation of the United States around the world. As a defender of democracy, as a defender of values like the fray, they would be invading a country that embodies all of the things

they supposedly stand for. There's no way it would happen, but there is a certain type of voter that buys it. And he's going to beat that drum all the way to election day. Hey, Chris, welcome to the show. Yeah. Well, I, I agree with you. It is fear-mongering. It's not very nice for Mark Carney to, uh, to talk down to the show. Yeah, well, I agree with you. It is fear mongering. It's not very nice for Mark Carney to talk down to the older voters like that.

But whatever, I still like Mark Carney. Okay, well, that's fair. Can I ask you why? Like, is there a policy of his that you like? No, if I want somebody in the room negotiating with Donald Trump that understands all the complicated trade tariff issues and that I want a guy who who understands economics and the Bank of Canada Bank of England governor and all that. Oh, well, listen, I'm I accept your position.

I think you're wrong, but I wish you a great day, Chris. Thanks for calling in. All right, Sherry, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Hi, good morning. So my opinion is, is that I think people need to calm down. I don't think that 80% of the country is wanting change and are going to run out to vote for the same government. Like that's stupid.

Yeah, even think I agree with you. There's something there's a disconnect. They also did this in the United States, I believe, to like, get the people who have no idea what's going on just to go with the flow. And they're doing the exact same thing here. Yeah, Sherry, there's a disconnect for me between what the polls are saying and what I feel is happening. And I'm loathe to go with my feelings but there's just such a disconnect between what I'm seeing and what people are telling me and what the

polls are saying but thank you very much for your call. Edward, welcome to the show. Hello. Hello. Yes, welcome to the show. Yeah, hey, thanks for taking my call. Look, the first state comment that Trump made was an off-the-cuff comment. Do people really think that the Americans would want 41 million Democrats? Of course not. No, I agree. He's taken a trolling tweet and turned it into his raison d'être and he's turned it into his campaign pledge. I'm going to defend this country against the forces of evil that want to make us the 51st state.

On its face, it's ludicrous. Do we have to deal with Donald Trump in a way that is different than we've had to deal with previous presidents? Of course. But is it a national crisis where he's coming for our land, he's coming for our water and all the stuff he said? Absolutely not. Thank you for the call and we're going to keep these calls going because I think everybody has something to say. So don't go anywhere. More of your calls after the break on the Ben Mulroney Show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. We're going back to the phone lines at 416-870-6400 and 1-888-225-TALK. We heard some audio that came out of the Mark Carney campaign yesterday that inflamed our indignation.

And we want to play it for you. This is what Mark Carney is selling to his supporters. The world economy is fundamentally changed. The relationship, the relationship we had with the Americans. These guys weren't wrong. They want us to be the 50 first tape, they want to break us. They want to break us so they can own us. They want, they want our resources. They want our water. They want our land. They want our country.

That is fear-mongering at a level I've never heard before in Canadian politics. And if you believe the polls, it's working. Let's welcome Adam to the show. Adam, you think that this is happening on both sides? I'm laughing my head off it. You're complaining about this. Pierre Pauli have for two years has been everything that Justin Trudeau ever did was was was terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. And, you know And if the sun came up in the East, in the West,

that would be Trudeau's fault too. Well, Adam, hold on. Adam, I wanna have a conversation with you. So I'll take your point. Listen, if you don't appreciate that that is part and parcel of being the opposition leader where you oppose the government and you can't see the difference between that and making up a crisis out of whole cloth

to stoke fear and get people to vote for you. If you can't see the distinction, I can't help you. Well, you have Danielle Smith who does exactly the same thing and she's in government. Well, what did she do? She's threatening to leave the country. No, she's not. No, she's not. She is telling the government, no, no, hold on. We're having a conversation. That is not what she's doing. She has told the government,

she has told the people running to form the next government, here are the things that we need. And I'm warning you, there is a movement. And if you don't take care of this, it might get under out of control. She's absolutely not trying to come out of the country. But Adam, I thank you for your call. And let's welcome, who do we have now?

We've got Susanna. Susanna, what say you? Yes, hi. Because I have experience dealing with in Europe, so Mark Karni sounds like European gypsy who will rob you clean while you are sleeping with his twisted lies and misleading words like no, he should not be trusted because he's done nothing for Canada.

Doug Ford had done more than him. Well, Doug Ford certainly was doing a lot of legwork in the lead up to those tariffs, far more than the Liberal Party of Canada did. They were absent from the entire conversation, which is why our provincial leaders had to go down there. Thank you, Susanna. Hey, Phil, I think you've got probably the silver bullet that blows a hole in this entire argument of Mark Carney. Well, so thanks for taking my call Ben. I guess what I would say is what did we expect him to talk about? He's been an accessory to the crime of the last decade. He has to take responsibility in part for advising on the economy for the last five years. Whenever I hear Carney

talk about, oh we really need to do this, we really need to do that, what have you been doing for 10 years? Yeah. So what else? He has to point to the boogeyman. But like any big lie, there's a kernel of truth and here's what the kernel of truth is. There should be some fear. Why? Because any negotiation with Trump isn't a win-win. He's not interested. It's the win and the decimated. That's what he wants. That's how how he operates the art of the deal is he wins everybody else loses yes so what you need to so what Trump has done is he's brought to the surface the fact that we're extremely vulnerable because we're single-threaded to the United States and that's a big problem

and and and guess what with a point five percent growth in GDP ranking 38 of 38 developed countries, that's a problem that liberals never addressed. But it's a problem that they created. And you're absolutely right. I want to thank you for your call. And David, welcome to the show. Hi, thanks for taking my call, Ben. I'm absolutely I'm absolutely flabbergasted at these liberal callers and these liberal supporters. It doesn't matter how much factual information you present to them or any kind of logical argument that you put in front of them. They're either unable to understand it, they're not smart enough to understand it, they're too lazy to do their own research, or they are

filled with this left leaning self righteous, it didn't it didn't disrespect of poly up and what conservative platform stands for and I'm terrified that I'm going to have to live again with these people's decisions like Well, listen, David, if you if you ever get into a conversation with someone who says they're coming for us, they want us to be the 51st state. Just remember one thing, Article five of the NATO treaty that states that an attack against one is an attack against all. That is a fundamental concept of the alliance that was formed after the second world war.

You want to explain to me how, square that circle for me, that one NATO member is going to attack another NATO member? Just figure that out. Explain that to me, Mr. Carney. He will not be able to do it because he knows that if he tries to explain it, his entire argument falls apart. Thank you so much for the call.

And we've got Robert. Robert, welcome to the show. Hi, thanks for taking my call. I wanna say like, the US is like Belial, and we're David. Now, Carney's our David, except he doesn't have a bloody slingshot. We're not gonna be a country 10 times larger than us with the

largest economy in the world. Look what, look what's happening to China. I guarantee you within the next 30 days, Trump will have China saying uncle. So you think if China is going to say uncle to the U S that Carney can go and sit across the table from Trump. Well he thinks if he keeps scaring people with Trump, they won't ask any questions about Carney. And thank you so much for that call. We're going to finish things up with Blake. Blake, welcome to the conversation. Blake, you there?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ben, Ben, please sell me on PolyM, because I don't like Carney, I'll be honest with you. But some of the comments that come out on all you oh Blake you there I'm gonna put you in jail for that you what would he breathe serious strikes like you know I want to know for all the other but I don't know it's just in between. So sell me on on Polyam. Well, you know, you know, you know, I'm I'm pretty partisan and I have no problem with

that. But there are journalists out there, Matt Gurney, who is a far less partisan journalist than I pointed out on his podcast, he said, he said, I'm going to ask voters to do something that's very hard for them. I'm going to ask them to put tone aside. You don't like how he talks, you don't like how he interacts with it. Put that aside, because that doesn't matter. You're never going to interact with him in your entire life.

He is, if we had been adopting the policies that he espoused over the past 10 years, we would be better off. And that, I think, says everything that you need to hear. Then enter at home network dot ca watch and win for your chance to win big amazing The small details are the difference between winning and losing Watch and win with renovation resort on home network