The Ben Mulroney Show - October 7th was tragic, and everything that happened after exposed deep Jew Hatred

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

Guests and Topics: -Documentary October 8 with Guest: Wendy Sachs, Director of the documentary “October 8” If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Ben Mulroney Show, subscribe to the podcast! https://globalnews.ca/national/program/the-ben-mulroney-show Follow Ben on Twitter/X at https://x.com/BenMulroney Enjoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show and regular listeners of this show know that my very first day on radio hosting a show I had never done anything like it before was October 7th of last year And I was told that I was supposed to have tell fun stories about all the fun stuff to do in our city and meanwhile during the news breaks is the horror the barbarism they the the vile disgusting nature of Hamas was laid bare in their crimes against humanity and crimes against the Jewish people. And as hard as that was to understand what ensued afterwards in the protests that erupted on college campuses and the people taking over our streets with impunity

and the pushback on simply standing up for the victims of October 7th is what really confused me. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. It didn't follow the script that I expected of standing up for our values, standing up for our values, standing up for rape victims, standing up for democracy, standing up for the country that stands for LGBTQ rights. None of it made sense. And now there is a documentary that attempts to do just that. Here is a little bit of the trailer for October 8th.

attempts to do just that. Here is a little bit of what happened and the barbarism. They've kidnapped Israelis, including children. I thought that the entire globe would be in mourning. And not only was it silence, there was jubilation. It was exhilarating, it was energizing! I wasn't seeing an ideological disagreement. I was seeing hatred. Free power, Scott! The hate started flooding in almost immediately.

Students called it resistance, they called it justified, they began calling Zionist students racist. We are Hamas! Standing up for being Jewish got me more hate than all the things that I have said on social media and on my podcast combined. And I've said a lot. Yeah, so that is a listen to October eight. And I'm very pleased to be joined by the director of the film, Wendy Saks.

Wendy, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I'm so glad that you have made this because again, I think a lot of people after October 7 like, okay, well, the allies that we've had in the past, the people we've stood for and stood with to help defend them, they will have our backs. And that didn't come to pass in a lot of ways. So why did you want to make this movie? Listen, I think the abandonment is real, the hostility was real. And that really drove me to make this film.

I mean, we saw, and the reason we call it October 8 is because it is about the aftermath. So what we saw on October 8 was the celebration of Hamas as freedom fighters rather than as terrorists in Times Square in New York City. And then we saw what was happening on college campuses in the States and abroad here in Canada and in the UK and around the world with people celebrating the massacre.

And it did feel like the world had lost its mind. And there was abandonment as you're pointing out from Hollywood to Capitol Hill in the United States to just leaders of governments. Where was everyone? Everyone who spoke out about the atrocities of Boko Haram, bring back our girls, right? Where are they now?

And so, but when you, as a documentarian, when you go into a project like this, I have to assume that you go in not necessarily knowing where the story is gonna take you. So what did you learn over the course of making the film that you didn't know at the beginning? SJP, Students for Justice in Palestine. that to me was the most revelatory piece of the film. SJP is an organization on college campuses in the United States

and I didn't understand, I thought and I think many people do, they think of it as any other student group like Students for Climate Change or Students for Reproductive Freedom or LGBTQ plus rights. But no, they're actually an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and AMP, which is American Muslims for Palestine, and they are connected to Hamas. So they're getting their messaging, they're getting their iconography, they're getting their marching orders

actually traced back to Hamas. And that to me was really, it's sort of an eye-opening moment. There's this extraordinary scene in the film that I don't want to give the film away, but there's this scene where you hear an FBI wiretap in a Marriott hotel room in Philadelphia from 1993 with Hamas leaders in America talking about how they're going to infiltrate media institutions

in the US and universities. They were playing the long game. Yeah, but that's what I was gonna say. It struck me early on as like, and by the way, if you were, if you deigned to suggest that there were connections to international bodies or nefarious organizations, you were tarred and feathered in the public square.

And it's true, but it feels to me like they played the long game and they used our, you know, willingness to self-flagellate and look how progressive we are to their advantage. Absolutely, they knew exactly what they were doing. Even in this wiretap, you hear they say, when we're talking to audiences on the left, we're gonna speak in terms of apartheid. We're gonna speak in terms of colonialism.

And when we're speaking to people on the right, we're going to speak in language of patriotism and the founding fathers. They knew exactly what their messaging was about. And of course, you have to believe that this has been the long game because you don't brainwash a college kid in one day. It doesn't happen on October 7th.

That's years and years and years of building up useful idiots in academia. That's right. It's decades in the making and it's also happening at the faculty level. It's happening in academia. It's happening in the social sciences and the Middle East studies departments. So it's not just students. We're talking about faculty too. And that I think was also very surprising

to see how deep it goes. Also the foreign funding from Qatar, from Saudi Arabia. This has penetrated universities, not just in the States, but around the world. And they know exactly what they're doing. They're sophisticated, they're savvy, and they're determined. And they were ready to go on October 8th.

Talk to me about, now that the film is done and you're presenting it to the world, the battle isn't over. You were just telling me before we came on air that there is a battle just to get this film seen. We were rejected from every major film festival, including Hot Docs here in Canada. We cannot get into a film festival. Because they'll probably tell you it's too political. That's right. We're always told it's too political. And let me be clear, we do not litigate the war in this film. It is not a political film. We unpack how we got to

this moment where Hamas is being celebrated. But it is not a political film. But yet the resistance in Hollywood from agents to streamers to distributors and to even getting onto screens here in Canada. We you know I'm excited that we're going to be on screens but it has been it has been difficult to get there. Yeah yeah I mean listen if you tried to screen this at the University of Toronto something tells me that just getting into the theater would be difficult because of the protesters. Let me tell you I mean I don't know any other community that has to bring in metal detectors into screenings.

But when we're screening in the United States, we've had several screenings at public movie theaters where because it's Jewish organizations, they have to hire security. They have to bring in metal detectors because the chatter online and the chat chatter from the counterterrorism unit in New York City shows that there's going to be protests well I mean the fact that you have to have the counter the counterterrorism group helping you out says a lot about how you know and anytime somebody says anti-semitism so well now do it Islamophobia they are not the same they are not at least in this moment they are not the same and do not try to same. At least in this moment, they are not the same.

And do not try to conflate the two because there are problems everywhere. This one is pervasive. This one is organized and orchestrated. This one is well-funded. The other is just like a bad person doing a bad thing. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right in the data support set.

And we have FBI data statistics that actually show the levels of Islamophobia and and hate towards the Muslim community versus Jewish community you know it there's no comparison and the data needs to speak for itself but I do think that in terms of the culture and you know political correctness I'm putting air quotes around that it always is always sort of an apples-to-apples yes just to apples. It's just not true. It's just not true. And there's always this hedging that people in the press

have to do, oh, I'm speaking specifically of Hamas. I'm not tarring all Muslims, but I think we're past that at this point, but regardless, I've been talking to Wendy Sachs. She is the director of October 8th. When can people see it in theaters? It's premiering here in Canada on Thursday. It's going to be in select theaters in Montreal

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