The Ben Mulroney Show - On the road in Calgary! Conservative convention in a booming city

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

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And selected varieties of crispy cookies or crackers just 222 each. Only till February 4th. Shop in store or at metro.ca. Yes, indeed. The Ben Mulroney show is in Calgary, Alberta. Happy to be here. Thank you so much for joining us. It's Thursday. What are we? The 29th of January. Welcome to everybody from across this country, joining us here on BMS. I want to thank my intrepid producer for being as intrepid as one can be putting this whole thing together all while masterfully putting together the rest of the shows that we do.

Thank you very much, Mike Drolai. Well, I think the keywords there are as one can be. because we'll see. Yeah, we're sort of making this up as we go along in terms of making sure that we have the video that goes with this shout out to our video producer, Amy Siegel, who's been helping us get this ready so that we can show you as well as

give you an audio version of this show. And how about a shout out to our travel agents who got us on a plane? We were about to be plane trains and automobiles and you were John Candy. Let me tell. I was John Candy. If anyone's John Candy, you're John Candy. But listen, I believe that 2026 is marked by my, my, somebody cursed me in terms of travel.

I hit a snowstorm going to Montreal for Christmas. I hit a snowstorm coming back from Montreal and I got in a car accident. I have been stuck on tarmacs every single time I've had to go somewhere. The gods have been against me. Yes. Yeah. It is true. And on this trip, it could have gone that way.

We were supposed to be on a direct flight last night at about 7.30 that would have gotten us in pretty late. but that got canceled for whatever reasons. And we were put on the quote next available flight, which was through Edmonton, which would have had us travel through the night with a five-hour layover in Edmonton, just long enough to do nothing. Sled dogs were involved.

Yes, and then we were going to fly in and get in again around 7.30 in the morning. But our travel agent, shout out to travel agents, by the way. Yes. AI is good for a lot of stuff, but it's that human touch. They were able to get us on a flight yesterday at 2.30. Yeah, which is why you had. Brad Smith and Lisa Raid filling in. Yes, indeed. It was a last minute game time decision, but thanks to both of them.

And my God, Brad Smith, nine hours of radio in 27 hours. Yeah. Yeah, well done. Well, he's a machine that guy. Yeah. Machine. Machine. So we are in Calgary. We're here for a lot of reason, not the least of which is the very important conservative convention, where Pierre Pollyev's leadership will be put to a vote, how that goes. A lot of people suspect they know how it's going to go, but devil's in the details, right? And there's a reason you have the votes because you never know. You never know. But we're going to be joined in just a little bit by somebody who stood shoulder to shoulder with Pierre for a very, very long time. One of the best voices of the Conservative Party, Melissa Lansman, will be joining us. And because we're in Calgary, you know, we want to not, it's not just about the convention.

This is an incredible city. It's a city of, we had so much fun walking around last night. We went to dinner. Went to Salt Lick for dinner last night. It was very funny. I told Mike Ben Dixon, my boss, I was like, this. Saltlet gave me the greatest Caesar I've ever had. He thought I meant Caesar salad.

I was talking about like a Caesar drink. So he's like, where's the Caesar salad? But it turns out there is a Caesar salad, which you had. And it was very good. And it was very good. So we did that last night. So yeah, shout out to my wife that I had a salad. A Caesar salad is like the, it's like the candy of salad.

Okay. It's still a salad. It checks the box. It checks the box. But no, there's so much going on here. And, you know, when you're in Toronto, a city like Toronto, you are, I mean, it's natural to sort of fall in with the narratives and the ebbs and the flows of the stories of a city like that. And you get out of there and you come to a place like Calgary and you are very cognizant that things are different. And for example, their LRT was working yesterday.

And that was quite funny because I've never seen a fully functioning one. I kid. But, you know, stats Canada's reporting that Alberta could overtake British Columbia as Canada's third most populous province within the next decade for a lot of reasons. Not the least of which Alberta has a higher fertility rate than BC. BC has an older population, leading to more deaths and fewer births compared to Alberta. And then there's interprovincial migration. You've got young, highly educated, economically motivated workers are moving from BC to Alberta. And they're attracted to, surprise, surprise, the lower cost of living.

But also the jobs and the fact that it is booming here right now, which is what we're going to be talking about at the bottom of this hour. Yeah. And there's also, there's an issue with the fact that they don't have the skilled workers that they need to close the loop and make sure that housing and infrastructure is ready for this increasing influx of people who've decided that their future is in Calgary. So lots and lots to get to. But what we wanted to look at is sort of the other side of that coin, because what's been going on in Ottawa has been a first minister's conference. And David Eby, the premier of British Columbia, called out Alberta separatists and used a very particular word in his description. Let's listen.

I'd like to just take and pause a moment. I read an article last night in the Financial Times about a group of people, from Alberta, I won't describe them as Albertans who went to the White House seeking the assistance of the United States to break up our country. Now I understand the desire to hold a referendum

to talk about the issues you want to talk about in Canada. We've got free speech, that's important. But to go to a foreign country and to ask for assistance in breaking up Canada, there's an old-fashioned word for that. And that word is treason. It is completely inappropriate to seek to weaken Canada, to seek to go and ask for assistance to break up this country from a foreign power.

And with respect, a president who has not been particularly respectful of Canada's sovereignty. I'm going to be raising that issue at this table. I think that while we can respect the right of any Canadian to express themselves, to vote in a referendum, I think we need to draw the line at people seeking the assistance of foreign countries or break up this beautiful land of ours. I find common cause with David Eby on a number of things in what he said. I need to know more about the conversations that have been going on between the Alberta separatist movement and these key people. I suspect when he said they went to the White House.

I don't know that they went to the White House. I think that's a little bit of hyperbole to suggest that this went all the way to Donald Trump's desk to insinuate that there is some sort of collusion between Donald Trump. or his closest advisors and the independence movement I think is dangerous right now. I think that ratchets up the temperature that we don't know we don't need. And as much as I do not like this and I've even said, I will come to Alberta and make the case for a United Canada myself if I need to. That's how much I believe in this country. I do believe that at this moment there is a difference and it's an important difference

and I don't know what's going on yet between having conversations with people in other country say, hey, what would it look like if we won the, if we won the, uh, uh, if we won the, uh, if we won the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, there's a difference between that and, and going to that, going to a foreign power and saying, what can you do to help us get over the hump, right? One is, one is, I think, uh, sort of, knowing where you're going to land after you achieve the goals that you've set out for yourself, whether or not I agree with them is not germane to the conversation. And the other, I do think, is flat out treason.

And if we don't have that information, I think it's irresponsible of David Eby to suggest that he knows at this point. It's, they could be flirting dangerously with the line. I'm not suggesting they're not. But I also don't know if what they're doing is in fact treasonous. and I do find it a little bit interesting that we've been watching our Canadian identity be withered from the inside for 10 years. Yeah. And nobody, nobody's been talking about treason.

Nobody's been talking about that. So I would just like a little more consistency in our leaders when they talk, when they talk this way. You're either proud to be Canadian and Canada is either something to fight. for all the time from within and against forces from without, or it's not. And anyway, lots more to say on this. I do want details on that, but I do appreciate David E.B. sentiment. I'm glad he's bringing it up, but we do need more details. All right, we are going to take a break, but when we come back, like I said,

we've got one of the clearest voices for the Conservative Party that we've had in generations. Melissa Lansman is going to be in studio with us. We're going to be talking about all things convention coming up right here on the Ben Mulroney Show, live from Calgary. You are listening to the Ben Mulroney Show, and we are in Calgary for so many reasons. This is one of the great cities in Canada. And if it's one of the great cities in Canada, it is one of the great cities in the world. And we're here to explore the city and find out what makes this place tick,

but also because it just happens to be the National Conservative Convention. I'm here sitting with Melissa Lansman, not only an MP for Thorne Hill, but co-deady leader of the opposition. Melissa, always great to spend time with you. Always good to be here, particularly in Calgary. You look a little more relaxed in Calgary. I'm in my civilian clothes for those who are watching, so we'll get all suited up for the convention tonight,

which people rolling into Calgary. It feels like, you know, you run into your whole family in the street. Yeah, we ran into a member from who'd run in the airport yesterday. A Quebec member who came all the way to vote. And I was on TVA news in Quebec, and they asked me a question about who gets to vote. You have to be physically here to vote, right? because there was a suggestion that the closer you are to Calgary, the closer you are to where this convention is happening, the more likely it is that you're going to be here.

No, so the way it works in our party and frankly across the board in political parties is that you are like elected a delegate from your writing association. So we got, you know, 12 people from the writing association. You can always come to convention as an observer as somebody who's there. But for voting, you would have been to have to be elected a delegate and you do have to be here. And so this is a massive country. And we always have this issue and just all political parties have this issue. You got a convention in Halifax and the people in Vancouver are like, you know, that's really far. And so for East Coasters, this is quite a journey.

So there's a lead up. I mean, the big ticket above the fold question everybody has is how's the vote for Pierre's leadership going to go? But there's stuff that's happening in anticipation of that as well. You guys are going to be debating a number of policy initiatives. I think you're tweaking the Constitution, right? Always. Always. Always.

You know, conventions are, I have a lot of fun at them. I've been at every conservative convention, I think. And there is, this is a way for, you know, our grassroots to sort of get in there, discuss policy, discuss our constitution, discuss how the party works, what we need to do to have an even better result. Next time, of course, the question of, we've got one. leadership review sometimes we've got policy conventions sometimes we've got both and uh this is a chance where conservatives you have to if i've been in this party for for a long time the majority of my my adult life and there's people that over here like well before i was born and then there's people that are you know just got into it and would have never voted conservative and they're part of our

coalition now and all of these people coalesce on one convention center in one city for one weekend and it's awesome so you know your background is is communications and i see it on full display when you when you put a video when I hear you in the House of Commons. I mean, you understand messaging and how to convey it. But if I'm looking at the polls these days, the messaging, and frankly, that last election, the policies were there. Yeah. The timing was right, but something didn't land in the messaging. And if I'm looking at the polls today, it's still not landing the way I personally think it should be landing. What's getting lost in translation? Well, look, I think there is, there's a lot of things that, you know, didn't go right for us in the last election.

And there's, you know, been plenty of time to discuss all of those things. I think you can't talk about an election without talking about just the sucking sound that you saw from the left and the disappearance of the NDP. And you can't talk about the last election, understanding that we've got an almost entirely almost new-looking type of coalition in the conservative party, 2.5 million votes, like just a massive. sort of blowout of people that would have never thought that would vote conservative again. So all of those things aside, yeah, like politics is hard and it's hard to get your message across. But we're going to stay focused on exactly what people told us before the election to after, affordability, housing, all of the things that the people are concerned with every single day. Yeah. Speaking of concern, is there a concern around this vote around Pierre's leadership?

You said in your video that you posted just a few days. You stood shoulder to shoulder with them. Like, you're as close to a ride or dies you're going to get in politics. At least that's how it presents. I mean, I think the general consensus is he's going to pass with flying colors. But how much of the vote he gets seems like it's going to determine a lot of things moving forward. Look, I think he's got an opportunity here to talk about the after. I think he's going to do great in the leadership.

And you're right. And the reason I stand with him is because he works harder than anybody I ever know. He's revolutionized Canadian politics and sort of the way we interact with politics. I run into people in the street. And if you, you know, if you saw where some of these people from, like from all walks of life telling me that they've seen the House of Commons or that they've seen the videos or that they're interested for a second in finding hope in this country to live a future that they want to live. And that's a lot of, a peer did that.

Yeah. So excited to see what comes next and excited to build out that coalition even bigger. So we get the result that we want and Canadians get the government they deserve. Have you talked to them recently? Yeah. And how's he doing? Yeah, it's good spirits. You know, homecoming for him in Calgary, born and raised here to have a convention here.

Remember, this is like, you know, three, four, or five thousand of your, you know, of your friends that are in and around the convention and helping with it and all kinds of people who, have been looking forward to getting to getting together. You see a lot of snippets online of what people are doing in various parts of the country. And here is where they all come together and have those conversations. You know, if I'm reading the tea leaves, and I don't think you have to be a genius to see the narrative that the liberal party is putting out there. I mean, they're suggesting that the conservatives are obstructionist when it comes to, I mean, they're suggesting the conservative party soft on crime.

Yeah, it's a complete nonsense. We've had 10 years of soft on crime policies, which is allowed, which I've, allowed repeat violent offenders to reoffend putting victims, you know, putting victims right behind the rights of criminals. We've talked about that. We've put bills in the House. We even tried to fast track their own legislation, which falls short of what we have to do in this country. So the notion that we're obstructionist, we're going to work with the government on the things that need to happen. We're going to oppose them on the things that we don't want to happen. And we're going to work to expose the things that they're not telling us. That's what an opposition

does and that's what we're going to do. And of course they've got a narrative either around this convention or around the conservatives because they know when conservatives are fighting each other, we're not fighting them. Yeah. But I tell you, it was a little surprising when I read in the newspaper this morning that Tim Houston, the premier of Nova Scotia, who's at the first first minister's conference in Ottawa, said he's only talked to Pierre once since the election. And I was surprised about that. I genuinely think that for, the conservatives to to be the fullest expression and have the most success they can all those players provincially and federally have to find a way to work well together and didn't i was

surprised to hear that there hasn't been a lot of broken bread oh you know between the two of them yeah look i think he's i think he's chatting right across the country to uh to to to conservatives um you know we've brought in uh we've brought in some some supports from uh around a team to go into the next election our election readiness has has has our already begun. We've just blown them out of the water on on fundraising. We've got the right people in the right spot at the right time to face the, to face the next election whenever, whenever it is. Could come as early as May, they're saying. Well, we just had one. So I'm, I'm not, I'm not quite sure what, but they're going to try to frame it like this is that the Tories

want this. Well, the Tories want to see the things that they promise to do, not just the speeches from the stage, but actual action. We've got a, we've got a double the deficit of Trudeau. We've got no houses built. We've got not an inch of pipeline, not even approved. We've got offices and bureaucrats. And we've got a lot of nice words. We've got built Canada homes and we got the major projects office. So we've got some bureaucracies. So 97% or 96% of what the major projects office has spent already has been on more people. Not approvals, not pipeline, not shovels, not projects, but more people to push paper. And that's, look, conservatives will point that out every single day of the week.

Yeah. Is this a chance for renewal? Like, how are you approaching this convention? To sum it up in a sentence. I think it's a chance also to build on what we've built. Again, this is a guy who I think has revolutionized the way that people interact with politics. And we brought people into the party that have never been here before. and we want to make sure to grow that.

Well, Melissa, I'm looking forward to getting a bird's eye view later today and tomorrow. I wish you the best. Always great to see you. Melissa Lansman, the MP for Thornhill, co-deputy leader of the opposition in the moments before the opening of the conservative convention here in Calgary. Up next, while much of the country is struggling, Calgary is booming, but it has a pretty big hurdle to overcome. Stick around.

We'll talk about it. This is the Ben Mulroney show live from Calgary today and tomorrow as we celebrate this great city and like I said you leave your bubble where whatever city you live in and if you have your eyes open and your ears open you're going to realize that every city in this country has its own foibles, its own issues, its own stresses, but also its own opportunities. And Calgary is in a boom now, more construction, more residents. But that doesn't mean everything is coming up roses. So here to talk about the opportunities as well as the challenges.

I'm joined by Kate Thompson, the president and CEO of Calgary Municipal Land Corporation. Kate, thank you so much for being here. My pleasure. Okay, so let's talk. What are the opportunities? Opportunities are always easier to start with. I mean, as you said, Calgary is booming. There's so much happening.

There's Scotia Place is coming out of the ground. You should go and see it. It's looking great. We have the new largest convention center in Western Canada, opened in 2024 on Stampede Park. There's the Workland Center that's well underway, $660 million project in the heart of downtown, along with a whole host of other projects throughout the city and the province.

Yeah, you know, if you are in the Toronto bubble, for example, where everything is doom and gloom these days, especially in terms of real estate and housing, the cost of living, businesses, you name it, there's always something that isn't as good as it was or could be. You just assume, well, if those pressures are hitting us here, they must be hitting everywhere. So to what do you attribute the, at least in this one sphere, the exceptionalism of Calgary? Well, I think a big part of what makes Calgary attractive is its affordability. So if you look across Canada, we've got Toronto and Vancouver way higher cost for living. And here we don't have that, not yet at least. So we have, you know, one of the highest net migrations in the country. We had over 250 people a day coming to the city last year.

And that's stabilized a little bit. But still lots of people, net migration from both Ontario and BC are high. People are seeing the opportunity. They're seeing the opportunity also to go out to the mountains. to take advantage of the diversified market for work. And they're coming. They're coming in droves. Okay, so those are great opportunities.

But on the back of a napkin, I could list sort of what I would expect to be the issues. I would expect that this puts pressure on schools and infrastructure and social services and transit. And you need people to. And let's assume the city and the province have the money to build that stuff. Okay. Let's assume. Then you need the people to fill the roles. First of the people to build it, and then you have to make sure you have the nurses and the doctors and the teachers and all that stuff.

This is getting overwhelming. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So where is Calgary in terms of sort of checking all those boxes? So, I mean, I'm not an expert in all the things you mentioned. No, I expect. You need to be in real. Definitely real.

And definitely every kind of dinner party conversation touches one of those eight topics. I think from the labor perspective, you know, when you're talking about construction, doesn't get done in a bubble. to use your bubble reference, you need people. You need trades in the labor market. So there's a strong push in Calgary to get more trades in. That's a slower process. It doesn't happen right away. I know on our work overseeing the Workland Center, the new theater project in Calgary.

What is that? It's 170,000 square foot new theater project in Calgary right in downtown, right on the old Olympic Plaza. And we're doing Olympic Plaza transformation since 88. I remember that Plaza. here in 88. Yeah, this is fantastic. So many Calgarians is a huge part of our memory. We'll be talking about that, the Workland Center, tomorrow.

Oh, great. Fantastic. Absolutely. So fantastic project. But we had to, this isn't a new thing. Although Calgary is booming, we've been preparing for that. So making sure that we're doing pretenders, making sure that we have some design assist so that people, we have the guaranteed trades.

Yeah. But it's more foundational. You have to look outside of, you know, each project line to property line to property line province and citywide it's there's a there's a labor risk in this province there's also uh have have have have have improved since that push for a one canadian economy uh with interprovincial trade barriers and sort of the regulations that would prevent trades people for who might be licensed in one province from moving to another to do a job i think there's a little bit more flexibility for people moving from province to province which we're benefiting from and also

part of the people who are moving here and taking uh some of these projects are multi-year. People aren't just coming for drywall for two months. Sure. Right? We're talking three-year transition and usually they stay. And so that's what we're seeing. And it's worth staying. I mean, I came out to Calgary about 20 years ago, a bit of a reluctant Calgaryen at the

beginning. Not sure I'd stay. What's that beautiful building? That beautiful building that undulates and it got the lights on it. Oh, the tell sky. Jesus. Yeah. And it's a different show every night.

We were walking around last night. We couldn't believe it. We almost got hit by the LRT. Yeah, on a Flames Night, you're going to see the flames colors up there and Stampede. You've got it all. So, yeah, it's fantastic. There's a lot of really great buildings that have come up in the last 10 years. Oh, yeah.

I saw a stand-up comic who said, you know, the worst job in Calgary has got to be the tour guide at the top of the Calgary Tower. Because back in the day, that was the highest point. Now it's like, so come on over here, folks, on a clear day, you can. There's Gary over there on the 35th floor. He's doing his TPS reports. Yeah, exactly. No, there's been, I mean, this is a city that's invested in it in itself. Yeah.

And you can see it, like just walk around downtown and you see Tel Sky, you see the Globo, Arts Commons, workland, library, convention center. There's big things. And those are the important things to get done, right? If you've got the convention space and the hotels, I mean, I think, I think a city like Calgary probably needs more hotels. We absolutely need more hotels. But if you have those and you've got the restaurants, which you absolutely have, One thing I love is you cannot...

There's some good restaurant. Yeah, you close your eyes, you can throw a stone and you're going to hit a steakhouse. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, not as many vegetarian forward, but a lot of steak, for sure. I'm okay with that. But no, those are the things that attract the convention work. And those people then go back to where they're from and they tell people.

And then that business just keeps coming. Yeah, you want people to be raving fans. You know, you want them to come, have a great time and tell their friends and come back. And I mean, the convention center is a big part of that. Yeah. And the hotels, there's been $1.2 billion of hotels announced in the last many months. And construction starts right near convention center. There's stuff happening.

Are there any looming storm clouds that give you pause in terms of any choke points in that work that needs to get done? I think the labor piece is a big one. You know, there's a supply and demand and there's a certain number of projects on the go. We announced $700 million in East Village just on Monday that have construction starts this year. that requires a few trades to come on board. So that's one for sure. And then I think continued investment, we're in it. I mean, it's booming.

But there's a certain kind of threshold. You can't stop right in the middle of it. You need to make sure that we're, vibrancy doesn't come from just these anchor projects. They're great. But it's also, you need to have a great walk between these anchor projects. You need the roads to be great.

You need to be, have parks and have places for people to enjoy, small restaurants, great places to go. It's not just about the big, shiny, Yeah, but you're right. The big ticket ones are the ones that get the headlines. You've got to get them right. But if you get the spaces in between them wrong, you're also, people are going to tell you. Well, no. And that's one of the things we're going to be talking about tomorrow, I believe, as well. I mean, I tried my hand at entrepreneurship and I failed. So my respect for somebody who bets on themselves. There's some fantastic people. And restaurant owners, for example, and independent shop owners. Those are those things that tie communities together.

Exactly as you say, this idea of from walking from one end to the block, you know, you've got a bank on either end of the block, right? Yes. You got Scotian one, you got BMO at the other. It's everything in between. That's what you remember. And great cities that you go to. Yeah. Yeah, you remember the big moments, but you also remember the walk.

Yeah. So I think a definition of a great city is how great the walk is. Yeah. Well, yesterday, we got out of the, we got off our plane and we went to the Uber line and we instinctively start going in one direction. We walked a really, really long way before we realized. we didn't go out the right door. So we doubled back. But you did it with confidence.

But we doubled back and we realized the Uber door was right there. It's right there. Yeah, because, and I told my producer, I said, that's the difference between Toronto and. It's where it should be. Well, it's where should. People want it. So we're going to put it where people want it. Versus a place like Toronto that makes you go down the stairs, you know, walk half.

Get your steps in before you get there. Because they've got entrenched powers that we got our limos that have to be taken care of. We've got this. It has to be taken care of. But here, I was like, we're in a city that probably thinks, customer first. What do people want? We're going to give it to them. And that's probably one of the reasons why this boom is happening. Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a place you want to explore and come and set up a business and also get out to the mountains and go skiing with your family. And yeah,

it's a pretty easy place to move around. I told you one of my favorite trips I ever took was with my kids to Drumheller. Okay, it's great. My kids love Drumheller. But then we spent a couple of days here too. And in the summertime, this is a great city. This is a great city in the summer. It's great. I mean, being from Winnipeg, that's a true winter. And when I come here and anyone complains about the winter, I'm like, no, no, just wait a week. A nice day.

A nice day in Winnipeg is a good day. A beautiful day in Winnipeg. It's got to be nice. This is truly the blue sky city. There's so much sun here. It's fantastic. Kate Thompson, thank you so much for being here. I've been in conversation with Kate Thompson, the president's CEO of Calgary Municipal Land Focus.

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