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The whole way? The whole way. You're listening to the Ben Mulroney show. It's Thursday, October 9th. Hey, thank you very much for joining us today. If you went to bed early last night, then you woke up to the J's doing what they needed to do to get into the next round. We're going to talk about that in a few minutes. But before we get to baseball, something that we have been paying very close attention to, but we haven't been covering it every single day because there hasn't been much to talk about, is the Trump-Ghasa peace deal.

The U.S. President Donald Trump says Israel and Hamas have reached a deal on the first phase of his Gaza peace deal. plan, calling it a major step toward a permanent end to the war. The announcement comes two years and two days after the Hamas-led attack on southern Israel on October 7, 2020, that left about 1,200 people dead and more than 250 taken hostages. Trump on True Social said, quote, this means that all the hostages will be released very soon and Israel will withdraw their troops to an agreed-upon line as the first step towards a strong, durable and everlasting peace all parties will be treated fairly and so if israel's cabinet approves this then then that then that starts everything and we could see the release of the

hostages beginning as early as monday and and that will end uh that part of the nightmare uh although there are still families that they're not getting their they're not getting their son or their daughter or their father back, they are getting a corpse. And in a lot of cases, they've actually asked for some time because they're having a tough time finding the bodies. That's how much respect Hamas had for these people in captivity. Well, there's a lot of hurdles. Yeah, a lot of hurdles.

Hardliners on both sides. But then just, as you said, just finding all the hawks. and all the bodies because Israel wants them back. Yeah, of course. And even if they don't hand back everything, every one, that could derail the process. So we're going to talk about that later. Yeah. All right.

So that is, but it's a reason to be hopeful. It's a reason to be hopeful. There hasn't been much hope for the last two years. No. And two days. So a reason to be hopeful. And our next story is about the realization of hope because the Jays beat the New York Yankees 5-2 to advance to the championship series.

How about round of applause for the Blue Jets? Here is manager John Schneider celebrating. Every single one of you bullpen game, Nathan Lucas, Miles Straw, all you motherfuckers, it takes everybody every day. Start spreading the news, bitches. So I got my producer was worried that Roger Sportsnet might get fined for all of the F bombs that this guy dropped at the end of the game.

But I pointed out and reminded him that in Canada, I don't believe that you can get fined for swearing after 9 p.m. And the reason I know that is because years ago when I worked at Bell Media, I believe, I think chorus or whatever course was called at the time, had the rights to football. Yeah. And we didn't have anything to compete with that. So we bought the rights to the entire series of the Sopranos, and we aired it with no edits and no beeping after 9 p.m. That's true.

So I have to assume that that rule still applies. And you didn't know that, did you? I did not know that, no. All right, so let's back up a little bit. Like, this is great. We won. Fantastic. great. But nobody in major league baseball predicted or wanted the J's to win. Nobody at Fox

Fox Sports for sure. The economics of baseball are different than say football. In football, you can have a Super Bowl with Indianapolis and Tampa Bay, right? Two small market teams and you'll still get huge ratings. It doesn't really matter whether it doesn't have to be Yankees chargers. It matters less. It matters less, far less. In baseball, it's always a problem. The ratings will change significantly.

If it's Yankees Mets, they love that. If it's Yankees Dodgers, they love that. If it's Kansas City. So right now, what are we got? What are the possibilities? You could conceivably have... Well, it's either Toronto from the American League. It's going to be Toronto, Seattle, or Detroit.

Yeah, so they're not loving that, but it's even worse with Toronto in the mix because the ratings of Roger Sportsnet and the ad dollars that are spent on Rodgers Sportsnet those don't go to the advertisers down the States. So for all intents and purposes, there are three teams playing in terms of the money that the networks and the money that baseball is making down there.

So that's why. So the deck is stacked against the Jays just financially. This is how it translated when the actually, experts, the big brains behind the desk, who are paid the big bucks to use their experience, mining their Hall of Fame experience to give you sage, wisdom, and predictions. This is what they said. This is how they thought the game was going to go yesterday. Toronto Blue Jays mistakenly allowed the Yankees bats to wake up.

End of game two. Yankees win again, 8.5. You woke up a sleeping giant. Cam 7, Stanton and Rice home run. Yankees 8 to 3. As much as I love what the Blue Jays are doing, I think this key cam going to come through big. So Yankees 7. Yes, yes.

Blue Jays 2. You're coming around. What you pick pop a Yankees? Janky 7, Blue Jays 2. And what was the final score? 5-2? 5-2 for the Blue Jays. Same score of the Leaves beat the Habs, by the way.

Oh, I wasn't paying attention. Okay, too early. It's too early to pay attention about hockey. Yeah. Okay, so that's what the predictions were. Obviously, that did not come to pass. And eventually, Vladdi Guerrero did an interview on that very show. Let's listen.

Dallie. Die, Yankee loose. Let's go, wait, let's go. Okay, so my prediction. And they went on for a minute like that. So, yeah, so my prediction is. next year when the Yankees come to town

if they lose the entire place is going to be chanting the Yankees lose. I love that. Yeah. It's great. All right. So now the stage is set. We've got to wait. It's either versus Detroit or Seattle. Now, I personally

kind of want Detroit. Detroit. It's right down the road. It's the 401 series. It's a regional battle, right? And they don't have to travel very far. I just like the idea of keeping it close to home. I like that.

I mean, nothing against Seattle. I just like that idea. You don't have to deal with time zones. No time zone changes, exactly. Yeah, no, exactly. And I wonder whether Detroit, if it is in Detroit, I wonder whether they'll do what the Yankees did and not permit you to buy tickets if you're not from Michigan.

That's tough because they have a lot of fans from Windsor and London. Yeah, that's true. A lot of fans and also, like, they don't have the money that the Yankees have, right? Like, it's not like there's, I mean, listen, I was in, I was in Detroit for a, to go see a Chris Rock show. And from the theater, from outside the theater, you could see the Comerica Park. It's absolutely gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous. But, and they've done a little bit of work trying to like fix up downtown. It's still rough.

It's still rough. It's still, you don't leave your car down there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but then there's Toronto. You don't leave a car anywhere. I didn't tell you this this morning, though. But I think the baseball spirits are working through me somehow because last night

was watching the game. You predicted another home run? No, I predicted Nathan Lucas, one of the players, had a two-run hit. Yeah. But right before that, I was sitting there, and I just said, I just said out loud, bat to ball right over the shortstop. And then a split second later, he did the exact same thing. and my wife looked at me and she said,

if you had told me you said that, I wouldn't have believed it unless I heard it. I've got the power. You've got, well, you got the power. It's good. You got the power with this because you don't necessarily have the power for, is it BS or is it real? Oh my, oh my.

We're going down. Oh, wait, yes, I do. Yeah. This week I do. That's tomorrow, by the way. If anyone's listening at home, we will be, I will be reclaiming my honor tomorrow as, and I'm going to put you back in your place.

Okay, don't go anywhere because coming up, Nobody is immune to getting caught speeding And I do mean nobody Don't go anywhere This is the Ben Mulroney show Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show And thank you so much for joining us

Hey global news Uncovered a couple of really interesting stories And shout out to Isaac Callan and Colin de Mello For their hard work at bringing something to the forefront that none of us knew, and it involves cars and the Ontario government. And for the sake of disclosure, my sister is and has been a cabinet minister in the Doug Ford government for all three terms. So the first story is that the Ontario government, apparently a number of the cars

that have been given to the ministers so that they can get. to where they got to go for work, have been caught speeding by the speed cameras. And some of them were going pretty fast. Documents previously obtained by global news show vehicles assigned to Premier Doug Ford's cabinet ministers were caught by automated speed cameras 23 times over three years, including one instance where the car was driving at 70 in a 40 zone. Separately, the government's internal monitoring system recorded a cabinet minister assigned vehicle

hitting stunt driving speeds 12 times. At one point, that vehicle was going 162 kilometers an hour. The Premier's office suggested the individual driving the vehicle was still employed by the government, but promised it would never happen again. And look, like, people speed, you know, people, it happens. And I've been caught by the speed camera in my neighborhood three times in a year. year. So if that's, so 20, 23 times over three years over the, over the, his entire cabinet, that doesn't sound like a whole lot to me. I mean, it's a, it's something, but it's not an

epidemic of speed. It's not a gotcha moment or anything. No, I don't, I don't think they were, I don't think they were, but, but, but, but, but I think the point is the guy, the guy, yeah, one of the guys was driving 162 kilometers an hour, but, look, there could have been a government an emergency. I don't know. Maybe the guy had to get somewhere. Really important. Maybe you had to get on a plane that he was going to take him to some sort of summit that was really important for the province. I have no idea. One of the mayors who is really pro speed camera made the comment, oh, I guess that's why they want to get rid of the speed cameras. Yeah. And I'm sure that was tongue and cheek because that's there's, but it's, I mean, it's sort of a tempest in a teapot. But I'm sure Ford doesn't even know about this. This story?

No, he knows about it now, I'm sure, but I'm sure he probably had no awareness whatsoever about people getting caught speeding. Yeah, yeah, it's a thing, right? But remember when his brother, was his brother, or was it, was it Doug, who was reading the newspaper while he was driving? And the, the...

I don't recall that, no. He was on the gardener. Or right before, yeah, he was on the gardener. And... apparently the way the law is written for distracted driving did not consider that people might read the newspaper. It was Rob for it. It was robbed.

And he was caught, he was driving down the highway, reading the newspaper. Distracted driving is about your phone. And he was reading a newspaper and therefore was technically not breaking the law. Interesting. I know. I'm full of little tidbits like this. He said he was, yeah, probably I was reading.

That's what he admitted to. Yeah. So that's the first story. Everybody should just slow down. The second story is four Ontario cabinet ministers, including Solicitor General Michael Kersner, had their government-issued vehicles stolen in 2022. Four cabinet ministers had their government-issued car vehicle stolen in 2022.

I wonder if some of these cases led to the Ford government speaking out so faciferously against against these various groups that have been stealing so many cars. I'm sure. I mean, that happens. Like when it happens to you, all of a sudden it becomes personal.

Every constituent's issues should become your issues. But it's a lot easier for it to become your issue when it actually is your issue. And I said this on Greg Brady, Sean. I'm going to repeat it now. You know, we talk about crime a lot on this show.

it's an important thing to talk about and it's been worrying and worrisome. But there is a certain type of person who has a guttural, immediate, and opposite reaction to anything we say. So if we say, if we say crime is, there's an epidemic of crime and people don't feel safe, someone out there is going to trot out a chart and they're going to post a chart that says violent crime is going down. But down compared to what? Well, yeah, but even like even if the numbers are going down, stuff like this, the numbers that we have seen of car thefts and carjackings, you can't deny it. And the videos as well. And the videos are, yeah, and the videos are part of this new world and therefore people think it's

maybe it's tougher than it is. But also the high profile cases. Mitch Martyr, when he played for the Leafs, was it last year? Yeah. He was carjacked or a year and a half ago, something like that? I mean, that's a big issue. Doug Ford? Doug, yeah, who would target the premier? I know. So, so to me... They didn't know. But in my life, you know, when we used to talk about when there was crime in this country, there was one story. One story in a month.

And we were talking about the Jane Creba. shooting, right? The Jane Creve was shooting. Now there were some people who said, oh, the reason that got so much attention is because she was a pretty white girl. Maybe. But it also had something to do with the fact that it was public and it was Christmas. Christmas and it was an outlier. It just didn't happen. Young and Dundas. Now, now we don't have a whole shooting every day at Young and Dundas. But there have been days where there's, there is so much crime to report on. We don't report all the crime. I went to school in London, Ontario, Western. And, it used to be because they have a CFPL TV there and I worked there at one point and it would be okay what are the stories and there was a bunch of announcements here and there and when there was somebody who was stabbed it was a big deal because that was the crime and it didn't happen very often now you don't even notice that stuff and part part of this story by Colin Domello is despite a 25% drop in auto theft rates in Ontario this year The thefts continue to hit high-profile targets with two ministers, Toyota Grand Highlanders, stolen in 2025.

And that's where the story gets personal because in 2025, that's where my sister, her work car, was stolen. Now, I didn't know that, though. I told Greg, I don't even know if she knows that, right? Like, I don't think those cars stay at her house and there's somebody who drives. She has a staffer who drives. And for all I, for all anyone knows, it was in some sort. sort of government lot, it was stolen, or it was on the street, got stolen, and they replaced it. And why would she know that the car that is not hers was replaced with another car

that was not hers? Yeah, she probably had no idea why. And really, why would she care? Yeah. Well, you know, so you're driving a different car. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. You don't give it another thought. But in the case, but in the fact that you had in 2022, there were four and then two more in 2025. If it can happen to our elected. officials. It can happen anybody. Oh, yeah. Who doesn't know somebody who's had their car stolen? Yeah, I know. It happened on

my street. A couple of houses down. Really? What kind of car was it? It was an SUV and the guy had it on video, the homeowner. And they, yeah, they were working at it for a while. People walked by on the sidewalk, didn't even stop. People were driving by, didn't notice them. And then they drove over

a big, like a bush because they had to get the car out from they picked the better car. And they drove over the neighbor's lawn. It was, yeah, it's horrible. That's just like four houses down from me. Yeah. And I know a guy, I can't remember who it was, but he did a,

it was a story on him, because he had an air tag in his car. So he was able to go to the cops and say, I know where it is. It's at the shipyard in Montreal and they wouldn't get it, they couldn't get it out for them. Cops are too busy. They had too many cases to follow. Yep. So all that to say, look, and on any given day,

the crime stats are going to be better or worse than they were the day before. But by and large, the tone and tenor of walking down the street in a big city in Canada is not good. It's not good. It's not good. People do not feel safe. People don't feel safe to take their kids to the park. They don't feel safe to leave their car unattended. They don't leave their doors unlocked in their neighborhood anymore.

this is not the Canada of a few years ago. And I wish we were going to end on a better note than that. But it is. It's a fact. Coming up, some harsh truths we might have to accept about the auto industry. Don't go anywhere. The Ben Mulerney show pushes on. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show.

So yesterday in the city of Toronto, Howard Lutnik was in town. And Howard Lutnik is the, he's sometimes a spokesperson. He's the head of the Department of Commerce in the United States. And he's the guy, when Donald Trump tells a bad joke, he's the guy who laughs very, very hard, very loud. Like it's the funniest thing he's ever heard. So he was in town to give a speech or be part of a, Something. I'm not quite sure what it was because it was in a room where they had what's called, what's called Chatham House Rules, which says you can't record it and you can't, no audio, no video.

But people talked. People took notes and then so the word got out. So he was talking about the automotive industry. He said car assembly is going to be in America and there's nothing Canada can do. about it. The question is, what's Canada going to do instead? Great. He said, you have the ability to bring tech investment and mining and other investments into Canada. If Canada plays its hand correctly and its adjacency to the U.S.,

it can win. See, this is what we've been saying. When it comes to Donald Trump, there is no scenario, no scenario where Donald Trump feels that everyone can win. That's not the world he lives in, and he's the president, which means he creates the world he lives in.

There is no scenario where everyone wins. Let's put our heads together and let's solve the problem together. No, no, no, no. And so... He doesn't want anybody else to be happy. He wants them to know that they've lost. So he says, if you look at where, if you look at it where Canada was to where it will be, you will be disappointed.

So this is all terrible news for Ontario's automotive industry. Their entire towns are going to be gutted. They will be ghost towns, unless the government comes up with a way to repurpose those factories and build something else and retrain the people who are a part of generations of families who work the line. The automotive industry in Canada could be on its last legs. So Doug Ford, the sort of the captain of team Ontario, did not like this at all. And here is what, here's what he said. But we can't sit back and let President Trump continuously increase tariffs and the prime minister's decreasing tariffs.

That doesn't cut it. So we, we have to be prepared. And the auto sector needs to be prepared. Not only are good uniform members, but also the prime minister. My first question, what are you going to do to protect the auto sector here in Ontario? It's absolutely critical. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, we're going to talk to Eric Cam a little bit later today, and we're going to ask him about how he feels about what would happen to the economy of Ontario if the automotive industry just shuttered and closed down. So that was his response. Meanwhile, Mark Carney, despite this warning, right, despite what we just heard here, Mark Carney back from Washington, no deal, automotive industry on, a respirator, and here's what he said in question, period. As the president said yesterday, the prime minister of Canada is a tough negotiator.

The honorable leader of the opposition. Mr. Speaker, give me a trillion dollars, and even I will say something nice about this. God, how much is it going to cost to pay Canadian investment dollars to flatter this Prime Minister's ego? Uh, yeah, listen, the performance of question period is, is a thing. I love it. I've always loved question period. I used to go watch my dad all the time. It was a lot of fun. Uh, but it doesn't really, it doesn't always solve problems. It creates problems for people, if they say the wrong thing. Um, but in this case, given, this Lutnik news, the fact that the prime minister took a moment to praise himself and praise himself with the words of the guy who's going to kill our automotive industry

is, I don't know, what would you call it to Mike Drillet? Interesting, odd. Ominous. Ominous. It just, get the deal, man. Get the deal. Get it now. Like, come on.

That's what I have said. Okay, so what's Doug Ford going to do? What's Doug Ford going to do? Because he does have some tools in his tool kit. He's got some arrows in his quiver. Here's what he said is going to happen if this happens. They need our energy. We have energy.

They need our critical minerals. We have our critical minerals. But I'll tell you one thing. I'm not going to let our auto sector and our steel sector die. It's going to be a fair trade if we do it. and there's no one more I'd want to sell it to than our American friends. It's not going to be lopsided because I will put legislation in if he wants to destroy our auto sector and destroy our steel sector

and for Quebec the aluminum sector, there won't be a grain of critical minerals going south of the border. There won't be one ounce of energy coming from Ontario because you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to use that cheap energy that we're selling to our American friends to be competitive to sell products around the world. That's what we're going to do. He's always been our most emotional leader.

And I don't mean that in a bad way. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. When something good happens in the American relationship, he celebrates it. And when something like this happens, you can feel the anger. And so I believe him. I believe he'll do it.

I don't know what, or I believe he'll want to do it. Trump may go to Carney. and say, get your premier in line. And I don't know what would happen at that point. But, I mean, I could see that being a battle. I could see those battle lines being drawn. And how it ends, probably ends with America getting what they want. How do you think it would play out with if Ford says, you know what,

I'm cutting off all energy, I'm cutting up all this stuff. How will that work out between Ontario and the feds, Carney? Which side will Carney take? Well, he would, so if my guess is if that actually happens and we turn off the taps to the Americans, Mark Carney, who is responsible for Ontario, but also the rest of the country as the prime minister, would, would err on the side of what's best for the country, not what's best for Ontario. And by the way, this is not necessarily the best thing for Ontario either. I think he would come in and he'd say, Doug, you made your point.

turn the electricity back on because I'm trying to do a deal with this guy and he's threatening he's threatening to rip up everything he's threatening to triple tariffs he's 100% tariff on every product made in Canada that's what he would say

Donald Trump would do that I'm ripping up Kuzma and I'm going to put tariffs on every single thing that comes across the border At some point Carney the prime minister could lose control of not that he controls them anyway but the premieres in general

Daniel Smith said, if she cannot get a deal with the pipeline, she'll just put the pipeline through the United States. Yeah, yeah. And she'll make a deal herself. So listen, in 2023, there were 144,000 people employed in the motor vehicle, body trailer and parts manufacturing sector in Ontario. That's automotive plus secondary jobs. Yeah.

144,000. So it starts with automotive, and then you get the knock on effect of all the other ones. So what's Trump going to target next? Because he wants all of the manufacturing. Right now he's got the cars. He's going to want everything. And in April 2025, the manufacturing sector in Ontario employed 809,700 people. That's about 9.9% of the total provincial employment.

You know, he's made overtures to Canadian companies saying if you come to, if you move from Canada, we're not even talking about things that have anything to do with the automotive. Any business. You want to come start that business in the United States. No tariffs on your products and lower taxes on your business. And he wants it all. He wants everything that we have here. He wants the fabricated metals.

That's 61,000 workers. The plastics and rubbers, that's not rubber, rubber products. 42,000 there's a misspoke there. Yeah, all the machinery, all the subsector. He wants all of that. He doesn't want anything, essentially. assembled in Canada. Well, look, nothing.

I will say, let's just wait till the midterms to see what happens because I wonder whether he loses some of his power of tariffing when, if the House switches over. Now, I don't know if it's going to switch over because God knows the Democrats can't get their act together. But this is a moving target and I don't know. We'll have to see. That's the update for you. Up next, not all bras fit the same.

Don't I know it? And neither do cancer treatments. This is news you can use. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. And any chance that we have on this show to help and highlight the great work done by breast cancer Canada, I think we're going to take. We're going to take that opportunity because it's an incredible organization doing incredible things for Canadians who are fighting against breast cancer. And there's a new initiative, there is a new initiative called, well, hold on.

Well, let's welcome our guest into the conversation. Please say hello to Kim Carson from Breast Cancer Canada. Kim, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Good morning. So what is the initiative called? So this initiative is called one size does not fit at all. Okay.

Right? And let's just point out that you want to launch this and you picked a date on the calendar and then the J's one sort of taking over the headlines. And the last time you did something like this, you picked a different date and the queen died. So from now on, how are you going to pick the dates for your campaigns? I think we've suggested random dart on a calendar. Yeah, I think that works.

It might be better. Okay, so this is, so when the campaign itself is people will get a box, right? Correct. And it's a beautiful box says breast cancer candy. When they open it up, it says one braw doesn't fit all. neither should one breast cancer treatment. You've opened the box, now open the conversation, and there's a hashtag beyond one size.

And when you open up, it's beautifully done, there's a bra that says breast cancer Canada, hashtag beyond one size. So what does this, what do you mean by this? What do you mean by breast cancer attacks people differently, and therefore so there should be different treatments? What don't people know that you have to have this conversation? You know, I think what people don't know is, is there over 50 different types of breast cancer. I didn't know that.

Right. So there's over 50 different types of breast cancer. So for like what kind? What are we coming here? So there's different subtypes. There's hereditary types. There's different causes for breast cancer. So what we're trying to do is open that conversation to say that there should be different types of treatment for breast cancer.

But are there not? There are. There are some different types. But unfortunately, Canada's falling behind. For the last of the G8 countries to have some of the treatments available for survive We've got the greatest health care system in the world. And every person who says just throw more money at it tells me that every day. It's the best in the world.

Yeah, not always. But, I mean, Ontario did make some amazing announcement two days ago around fast-tracking some medications for patients. So kudos to Ontario. We need the rest of Canada and follow behind. Is the issue in Ontario, the fact that are these medications that are specific to a subset of a subset? Correct.

So that's where, you know, this conversation needs to be opened up. Right. Because we know that the survivorship is way better. If we actually treat the subset of the subset. So not just breast cancer, it's the 50 different types. There's the different stages. Yeah. You know, and if we start treating those as individual personalized medicine,

number one, it's not as expensive to the healthcare system. And number two, our survivorship is much better. Yeah. So I encountered that because I do work with the cystic fibrosis foundation of Canada. And triccafta, it was this. life-changing drug that was available in the United States, but we couldn't get it here because so few people have that disease, and therefore they couldn't buy it at a cost that made sense.

And Doug Ford was the one who turned that around. But I think even that's running out now soon as well. But that's great to hear that he's done that for breast cancer. So, but I'm sorry, 50 different types. That's still blowing my mind. Yeah, there's a lot. It's a lot. Are there certain ones that are more aggressive?

Are there certain ones? It depends sort of on your age. So if you're, we're noticing now or not noticing, but we have data now to prove that breast cancer is actually younger and younger. So certain types of breast cancer do present at a younger age. So you look at like triple negative, that would be a younger age. You know, often your BRCA, which is an hereditary type, is at a younger age. And, you know, we just released our survey data, Ben, that says 97% of Canadians say that

we need to do more when it comes to treatment. Now, talk to me about the health of. breast cancer canada because in my mind when i when i think of great um organizations that have been able to put the word out and have been able to organize and mobilize breast cancer canada is one of the top right they they're so good you know sick kids is another one they know how to market they know how to get the donors to get engaged um how are things going at the organization you know i think things are going really well uh we have a huge network of volunteers across this country I would say, you know, thousands and thousands.

And one thing everybody is envious of is the power of that voice of the breast cancer survivor. And women that are, and men are willing to step up and talk about it and bring it to the forefront. So it's an amazing movement. Yeah. Isn't that? And that's the sad thing, right? Like one of the reasons that people are engaged is because everybody knows somebody who's been affected by breast cancer. You know, I think we want to get to the day where that's not the case.

but might as well leverage that emotional connection. One in eight still. We're still looking at one and eight women in their lifetime. And where are we in Canada? You said, you know, were the last of the G8 to get certain medicines. But where are we in terms of treatment and protocols that extend life, it's saved life, and see these? I would say overall, the whole industry itself with breast cancer,

we're certainly seeing much longer survival rates. You know, it used to be very low survival rates once diagnosed. Within less than five years, we weren't looking at very good numbers. Now we're looking at amazing numbers. So if you're caught early, which is also our message, please get screened. Please get it caught early because the earlier we catch it, the better to the survival rate. And we know now, if you're stage one, even stage two, you're pretty much going to be cured. So that's huge.

Yeah. And so would you, yeah, would you say that by and large, that step has been achieved? public consciousness and knowing what the responsible thing to do the prevent, you know, to do that preventative thing, check the box, right? Still, don't take your foot off the gas, but we're now at that cruising speed. Yeah, I would say that now that the pandemic is over, people are returning to getting their screenings done. We're seeing the numbers come back up.

You know, we'd love to see that number higher than, you know, 60, 70%, which is what we're at now. We'd love to see it closer to like 80%, and, you know, lowering the screening age to 40, which is, again, another great step that Ontario did last year. number of provinces have also followed suit to lower that screening age to 40 where people can self-refer, walk in, get a screening done. And that's our first line of defense. Yeah. So in this, so this campaign, it says the breast cancer aware, it's breast cancer awareness month. We'd love for you to spark a conversation with your network inside and then

you'll find the bra. So if I'm, if I'm doing that, let's say I'm telling people about this conversation we had. What are some of the things that I should be talking about in, you know, I think, yeah, and I appreciate the question very much. I think what we we would like you to do is, you know, hold up the little bra. It doesn't fit. That's the point. You know, it doesn't fit. And talk about the conversation and say, you know, we need people to be screened. We need individual medicines and treatments. And we're making progress. What does that look like, individualized, personalized medicine? Because I know we're going there. We're getting there. And I have a friend who had cancer on his tongue. And he's a very successful

tech guy. And he worked with his doctors to develop some personal. personalized medicines, some treatments that were just for him. I don't even know what goes into that. But what are we talking about when we're talking about breast cancer, personalized medicine and breast cancer? I think what we're talking about is, yes, we know your subtype. Yes, we know your type and your stage. But what we're also talking about is are the medications that we're using for you working?

So we can now do diagnostic testing to make sure that they're working. If they're not working, then let's change them quickly. As opposed to saying, okay, this is our treatment pathway. Right. You've got to stay on that treatment pathway. It's not working. But I'm not feeling well. I don't think we're getting the result.

No, no, it's going to just stay on it. This is the one path that we walk. Right. And I think that's what's changed in our system. And I think that's where it becomes very personal. People respond differently to different medications. We need, A, access to those medications. And B, we need to make sure that they're working so that everyone has that best chance

of recovery. Do you have, does breast cancer need an ice bucket challenge or are you doing fine? Yeah. You know what? We always need the ice bucket challenge. Everybody needs an ice bucket challenge. And I was going to ask the question, do you need a celebrity to jump on board?

But you've got people like Angelina Jolie, who was so publicly a few years ago, had double mastectomy as a preventative measure. Again, you don't need a celebrity. When celebrities are like everybody else. I bless the celebrities for coming forward and being very public about their journey. Angelina Jolie is one.

She's got a hereditary type of breast cancer and is very prominent in her family. So good step forward. But we need to get to a point where we're not really mutilating a woman's body to make sure that she's going to be cured. Kim Carson, thank you so much. And really a great initiative. I will try on my bra a little bit later.

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