The Ben Mulroney Show - Our Wednesday panel BMS Political awards of the year!!

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

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Andy Gibbons and Regan Watts. Welcome to the show, gentlemen. Bigwich, my friend. Listen, we're doing something a little different today. We're actually at 50% more of the panel. We're doing three segments with you guys. I don't know if I can stomach it, but apparently the people at home love it. But no, and the reason is, is it's been a lot.

long year. It's been a long year. And we want to look back at this year and we want to honor the political stories of the year with a number of awards. And so we're going to do that coming up. But before we do, gentlemen, we want to take a look at Mexico because this is how Mexican lawmakers block budgets. Have you seen this? Have you seen? Yeah. It's, it's not a filibuster. It's a phyllis buster. It's just a whole bunch of women pulling each other's hair. And Ben, I would like your viewers and listeners to know that Andy's actually in Mexico on a mission for diplomacy to try and help their fiscal situation and get their budget sacrifice for all of us.

He's left Pyongyang and is now in Cancun and is doing his best. Apparently it was a regular session of Mexico's Congress and turned into a brief scuffle during a debate on transparency reform. And the video shows lawmakers of rival blocks shoving. and yelling and pulling each other's hair. I mean, it did look a little bit like the Mori Povitt show. Well, I mean, wouldn't we love some of that passion, Ben, in Canada with our lawmakers? I mean, I'm not an endorser of violence, but having lawmakers is passionate about their position as the Mexicans.

And by the way, the Mexican lawmakers are no different than many other Latin American countries or even Eastern European countries if you've seen some clips in legislatures around the world. Canada is pretty mild, relatively speaking. would be fun to see some of that excitement in the House of Commons or provincial legislatures. The closest thing I can remember was Sheila Copps climbing over her chair in the House of Commons banging her shoes on the desk in anger against either my dad or somebody in his government. That's the closest I remember seeing to this in Canada. You're forgetting Justin Trudeau's half elbow with Ruth Ellen Brousseau.

Right. Yes, I forgot about that too. Yeah, well, Regan, you want to reference the Long National Nightmare one more time? Well, look, there'll be lots of opportunities to talk about the Long National Nightmare in our awards show. But, Andy, I appreciate the reminder that Justin Trudeau is not the feminist. He pretends he is. All right. Now it is time for our year in review. The BMS political panel with Regan and Andy, year in review.

There we go. All right, yeah. We've got our barbershop quartet going today. Okay, so let's go with the first award of the day. For verbal flexibility under pressure, the gold medal in spin gymnastics. All right, Regan, you're up first. Spin gymnastics. So I have two gold medals.

The first, and is one to each major party in Ottawa. The first gold medal goes to a gentleman by the name of Admon. chambers who i have referred to on this panel before um with a political play of the week adam is a is a as a younger MP in the house of commons he's a conservative uh he was behind some of the thoughtful policies that the conservative party ran on in the in the spring election he has done yeoman service going on many mainstream media television shows over the last several months uh in what has been a difficult time for the conservative party adam is thoughtful he's considered uh he gives uh elegant answers and answers questions direct

So he deserves a gold medal. The other gold medal for me is to Steve McKinnon, who is the liberal minister of transport and liberal house leader, pardon me. That guy, and I've said this for a while now, is an absolute weapon for the prime minister. He is not a career politician, but has been around politics a long time, and it shows. And you cannot knock that guy off message one bit. He's very good on his feet. Again, answers questions directly, but is also thoughtful in how he responds. And I think our politics are better for people like Steve. and Adam. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you very much for that. All right. Let's go to Andy. Andy, what are your thoughts? Who gets your gold medal in spin gymnastics? Yeah, it's Minister McKinnon for sure, because for a couple of reasons. One, he excelled at spin under Justin Trudeau and has surpassed it somehow under Mark Carney. So this is someone who has held the position of a house leader for two prime ministers consecutively both who are extremely extraordinarily different men different priorities and in fact his current boss some say has contempt for his former boss yet he always prevails yeah and i give him the spin gold medal as well because pierre polyev has had his way with

everyone in the house of commons basically for the last number of years but not steve mckenon i think he's flipped that around and i think he's brought pierre down a couple of nodges pierre is still unbelievable Don't get me wrong. Yeah. But Steve McKeon has solved that. So on being a spin gymnast, he is the Simone, Simone Biles. Simone Biles would be jealous of him some days. So it goes to Steve McKinnon.

All right. Let's move on to our next award. This is the award for the Talking Points Loyalty Award. They've never met a party line they wouldn't defend. This is the Talking Points Loyalty Award. All right. More loyal than a puppy who gets this one. Regan.

So I have two winners, and they are equally deserving because they are loyal to a fault and to the point where it's embarrassing to listen to them talk. And that is Melanie Jolie and Anita Anand, two members of the liberal government. Both, I mean, both fail forward in miraculous ways. But, you know, if you want to know what PMO thinks about an issue, whether it's the Trudeau or the Carney PMO, you just need to ask Anita Anon and Melanie Jolie. and they'll recite what comes out of the Langevin block and the talking points that are given to them.

Yeah, I think, honestly, I agree with both of those. Let's see if Andy's got a differing opinion on who wins the Talking Points Loyalty Award. Yeah, I'm sorry to bring this gentleman up, but I also have two. One is Jagmeet Singh, remember him? Jagmeet Singh could not get off his basic talking points, and they were so annoying and consistent.

Reporters in Ottawa would bash their head against the wall almost trying to get him to say something real and not just a total talking point that everyone had heard a hundred times so it's jag meet sing and my other one is also melani jolie yeah she will she will say anything to defend the palace and whatever the lines are that the palace wants her to say that day look at ukraine look at the difficult consular issues look at china It's always institution over transparency, and it's always reassurance over a revelation. So she really, if the palace wants something out there to be said, Melanie Jolie will deliver it. I wonder what you guys think of Jummeet Singh on social media these days, because all he seems to be tweeting about is kicking people's butt in judo.

I mean, what is to say? I mean, there's a, Ben, there's a mute button for a reason. I mean, I haven't paid attention to this guy for eight years. So whatever he's saying, it's irrelevant just like him. Good point. All right. Okay, let's move on to most creative use of public money. For innovation funded by our taxpayers, the most creative use of public money award. Andy, we're going to start with you on this one.

Yeah, I've got two. One is third party consultants, including McKinsey. We talked about this on a previous show band where public service, spending doubled or something in the last 10 years and also simultaneously third party consultants budget went up about 50%. So that's a creative use of taxpayers' dollars. And I think there are many companies in Canada that would be a prisoner to McKinsey and other companies. And I guess some of our federal departments are as well. So that's one, third party consultants, great year for them and the creative use of public money. Second, I'd say the housing accelerator fund.

And you think about the housing accelerator fund. Yeah. It's a great word, right? I mean, great term, great, great branding. But it's based on the premise, like, it's paying municipalities to do what they're supposed to wake up every day and do. And we know what a schmawzel housing has been. So I think that's, I think that is the other creative use award winner is the housing

accelerator fund, which Regan may correct me, his friend Sean Frazier may have been the author of that one. Well, Regan gets to give us. his candidates in the next segment. So don't go anywhere. We've got much more to come with our panel right here on the Ben Mulroney show. At Capital One, we're more than just a credit card company. We're people just like you who believe in the power of yes.

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And Regan Watson, right before the break, we were going through our list of awards to give out in politics this year. And I believe we were at the most creative use of public money. Regan, your turn to give us your candidates for that illustrious award. Illustrious award. I'm with both the Green Slush Fund, known as the Sustainable Technology Development Canada, and the Skills Development Fund in Ontario. For different reasons, both funds found their way into ineligible recipients and on projects that may not have qualified. I will note that there was a suggestion that the Skills Development Fund in Ontario may have gone to an adult entertainment venue.

The last time I can remember any politician going to visit a strip club was when Judy Scrow was the immigration minister under Paul Martin and somehow found her way talking about visas in adult entertainment establishments, or maybe it was for chief of staff, I can't remember which. but those two funds were a colossal waste of money and are unfortunately a reflection of all political parties when they get into government there's a there's a cycle that happens and and this type of waste does occur and it drives taxpayers crazy and for good reason well all great candidates i am going to award this year's award this year's award oh someone's a microphone i can hear myself okay there we go i'm i've decided i'm going to give this award to the outside consultants.

Because when coupled with the rise in our public service, you would think there would be less of a need for them. And in fact, we've found more need in Ottawa for these guys. And for that reason, McKinsey et al are getting the award from me this year. Okay, moving on to the It'll Pay for Itself Award.

For fiscal optimism bordering on fantasy, the It'll Pay for itself award. All right. I think it speaks for itself. Regan, by the way, loving the new shirt. I guess you're changing for every segment. I'm changing for every segment.

I'm changing Ben, and it is a onesie. I will not stand up and show my behind, but there is a trapdoor for those who are... That's not information. Anyone needs, Regan. That is not information. In my Christmas onesie? Yeah, no, I'm taking two points off,

just for that. Egregious offense to our sensibilities. I'm going to give my award. Well, let's get back to the show. It'll pay for itself award for me goes to Stalant. who received billions in federal funding and made job commitments saying they were going to keep jobs and create jobs in Canada. And it appeared that Minister Champagne and Minister Jolie had not actually read the contract because when Stalantis pulled out, those jobs went with it. And so for me, it'll pay for itself award.

There is no better example than the billions that have been bestowed upon the Stalantus automaker for basically nothing. That is going to be a tough one to beat Andy Gibbons. What say you, who wins in your mind the it'll pay for itself award? That's a very tough one to beat. Mine is dental care, excuse me, mine is dental care and pharmacare. These are huge, huge monster expenditures for the government. And they're even paying for dental care for people who don't even qualify for it. It's been a mess in terms of the Canadian Dental Association and getting dentists actually sign up to this program.

So that's my winner. Those two programs, Farmer Care and Dental Care, really it will pay for, for its self-award 2025. Yeah, this is a tough one, man. I feel that this one's a toss-up. I think I'm going to award it to both of you on that one, because that's a tough one. It's a tie.

Yeah, I can award ties. It's a tie, gentlemen. I think there's nothing wrong with that. There's more than enough government waste and graft to go along for everybody. Everybody wins. Everybody gets a car. Okay, let's move on to the next one. The Hindsight Hero Award.

I knew it all along, did you? Did you really? the Hindsight Hero Award. Regan, you're up? You're up? Well, this may surprise you, Ben, but I'm going to talk about myself for a second. The Hindsight Hero Award goes to me, because I had been saying for two months prior to the budget vote that the budget would pass. I said it on this show.

I said it on other networks and other platforms. There was a 0% chance that we were going to an election, despite the Ottawa Press Gallery doing its best to create some attention. and some potential, but the fact is, I knew all along and your viewers and listeners who pay attention to the show were well informed, so they knew all along that the budget was going to pass. You know, before we go on, I think everybody knew the budget was going to pass. I think we just all needed a little drama. I think we all needed to exercise a little what-if, have a little fun with the situation.

Ben, drama, that was the other reporting you used to do. That was years ago. You're now in political reporting and commentary, and so. Come on. All right. Andy Gibbons, what say you? Oh, shots fired. My winner is Pierre Paulyev, Ben.

And he's the Hindsight Hero Award winner for immigration. In 2022 and 2023, Pierre was talking about how capacity needed to be curbed, that it was a strain on the social safety system, that it was irresponsible growth given our lack of housing supply. And liberals told him he was crazy, racist. didn't know his numbers, all of the above. He was accused of everything. And then just before Justin Trudeau left and Mark Carney took over,

then immigration minister Mark Miller swallowed himself whole and reversed all policies and aligned with what Pierre Polyev had been seen for three or four years on immigration. So he is the winner of the Hindsight Hero Award for 2025 for immigration. You know, because I don't believe that 2025 has been particularly kind to here, and I don't know that he's winning many awards. I'm going to give him this one. I'm going to give him this one. Also, it warms the cockles of my heart not to give one to Regan.

Okay. Oh, this is a good one. This is a good. The Broken Clock Award, gentlemen. Right twice a day. Loudly wrong the rest of the time. The Broken Clock Award. There we go. I love this one. Okay, I can't wait to hear what you guys have for this. Regan, you're up. So my, I have actually three award winners here for this year for this award, and I'll be very quick. My three winners are Olivia Chow, Elizabeth May and Andrew Shear. Olivia Chow, because she's wrong on every single issue, whether it's Israel or crime or traffic or infrastructure tax increases, you know, in 2025, Olivia Chow decided that the hardest part of running Toronto City Hall was making sure that Toronto had a opinion on what was happening in the Middle East and in Gaza. And so not to mention how she looks like an autistic traffic cone when she's dancing at various community events. Elizabeth May was the only member of Parliament to vote against provisions in C-5, which is the One Canadian Economy Act.

She voted against provisions that would make it easier for Canadians to trade within themselves and work across the country. And so, you know, apart from being a member of the Hamas caucus, she is weirdly in favor of more internal trade barriers. And then lastly, Andrew Shear, because he hid behind the Broken Clock in the House of Commons during the budget vote and somehow managed to bungle an important political moment. Okay. All right. You got three there. All right. Andy, who are your nominees for Broken Clock Award?

I struggled with this one. I mean, after Regan's answer, I'm wondering the criteria was that they're right twice a day. And I don't know if Olivia Chow has had a day where she's been right twice in one day. I'm going to say Maxine Bernier, just because the criteria, Ben, if you think about it strictly, it says they're wrong all of the time. And this guy is wrong all of the time. It's a calendar of wrong. It's a Schmorgasbord of wrong.

But every now and then he says the right thing on a policy issue that you think he's not a complete lunatic. So my nominee is Maxine Bernier with a strong honorable mention again for Jag Miet Singh. you're really trying to shoehorn him in but I mean he is kind of a couple of times a day you know you get something out of him and you go okay he's got some game he's a reasonable candidate a reasonable leader but the rest of the time it's just head shaking nonsense

I put Maxine Barney and Jagneet Singh okay so so my winner on this one is going to be and I say this with a lot of actually personal affection in my heart for this person because I do have a lot of personal affection, but politically I think that she is wrong far more than she is ever right. And that is Elizabeth May. I mean, she's right anytime she says something nice about my dad, but wrong every other time. But, you know,

she is willing to admit when she's wrong, like she said, when she supported the budget. And so we'll have to see what next year holds for her. Gentlemen, don't go anywhere. When we come back, We've got the political rookie of the year, the political MVP, as well as our predictions for 2026. Don't go anywhere. We've got another full segment with our political panel right here on the Ben Mulroney show. a global leader in reducing the harm caused by smoking, but it requires actionable steps. Now is the time to modernize Canadian laws so that adult smokers have information and access to better alternatives. By doing so, we can create lasting change. If you don't smoke, don't start.

If you smoke, quit. If you don't quit, change. Visit unsmoked.ca. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show and welcome back to my political panel for a third segment. Very lucky to have them stick around for a third segment at the end of this year as we look back at the awards that we want to give politically. And so let's jump right into the two main categories I think are very important. The political rookie of the year. The Don't Make Me a Backbencher Trophy. This is the political rookie of the year. I don't know why that dude is German, but.

Regan, political rookie of the year. Well, the rookie of the year is Trey Savage, and for the absolute dominance he brought for the Toronto Blue Jays in the World Series and in the postseason. However, when it comes to political rook of the year, for me, I actually think it's a slam dunk. And that is Evan Solomon. You know, Minister Solomon has been around politics for a long time,

but most people know him as a radio host or a television host or a journalist. I have to say he has stepped into his role as a parliamentarian and has been not only seamless, but he's been excellent. He's been delivering thoughtful, content-rich speeches. He's been driving programs and getting investments out the door into key Canadian sectors in the digital economy. And he's great on his feet in the House of Commons. And so, you know, for me, Evan Solomon, who some, I'm sure,

we're not sure how he'd perform being on the other side of the microphone has been an absolute superstar and I think 2026 is a big year for him. 2026 would be a great year for me. If he kicked it off by coming on my show for the very first time, I would certainly appreciate that. I know that I've reached out to Evan many times and he's expressed interest on coming on and yet still nothing. Crickets from Evan and his team.

And this is an open invitation to Evan to join me here on the Ben Mulroney show. Andy, who is your political rookie of the year? Well, now that Evan is one such glorious kudos from Regan, he should be a no-brainer to be on your show. My winner is Tim Hodgson. Tim Hodgson was appointed energy minister. He went to Calgary in his first week and said that Canada will be an energy superpower under his leadership. And everyone was like, okay, yeah, sure, bud. He walks like a Tory.

He talks like a Tory. and he was once heavily courted by the Tories. And for me, Ben, he's the kind of prototype. I think we would all want to see in a Pali of opposition, but he's in the liberal government under Mark Carney, and he's the rookie of the year because he has brought a level of credibility, experience, and stature that whether you're a conservative or a liberal,

you should respect and be happy he's in politics. So it's Tim Watson, performance and substance both. And you know what? because neither of them have necessarily resulted in anything yet. There's a lot of plans. There is a lot of good talk for sure. There's a lot of good feeling. I think there's a lot of confidence that is instilled because of both of these men,

but yet the rubber has yet to meet the road in the meaningful ways I think Canadians are expecting. They both get it. It's a tie. For both of them, they both win rookie of the year. It's a co-rooky of the year. All right, let's finish up with the look back on the political MVP award. maple syrup and herd moose this person does the political MVP all right there we go you got a bleed maple syrup and you got a herd moose andy you're going to start this one for us oh i have two um one is

the canadian voter and the canadian voter gets the political MVP award for being more engaged than ever fickle impatient unforgiving and the canadian voter has behaved in ways we had been talking about Canadian voters wanting to behave for the last 10 years because to pay attention, make tough decisions. Now, not every listener of the show will be happy, so many decisions they made. But I think the Canadian voter really was so prominent this year. And in their actions and decisions were almost unprecedented in our life. Let's face that. The second winner, an honorable mention is, and it's a bit of a twist, Christia Freeland. Okay.

It's Christy Akruan who wrote the letter that exposed Justin Trudeau as someone who did not conduct his duties in good faith and said the government was obsessed with gimmicks. And she resigned the morning of the economic statement, which his prime minister's office wrote and she did not. And I think that is, I think it's two years too late for her to do that act, but she did it. And it was a tough, hard decision. And it did end Justin Trudeau, Drain. but she gets

she gets the second of two political MVP awards. All right. And the final look back award, the political MVP award, according to you, Regan. Well, I have a federal MVP and a provincial MP MVP.

Provincial MVP is Premier Ford. That guy is a force of nature. He won his third straight majority. People will say, yeah, but the liberals had nobody running against him or Bonnie Cromby sucked. And that would be true,

but you can only beat what's in front of you. And Doug Ford continues to govern and get people's respect and support. He's, you know, his stature in the polls in Ontario was higher today than it was on election day. And he deserves enormous credit for continuing to, in his own way, Ford style government and politics because people like it. And then, of course, federally, I have to say it one more time, the Prime Minister, Mark Carney, he has me purring. He has the country purring. He is the economy starting to purr again. And he, you know, this time last year, he was courted by the liberals to join the government and declined.

And 12 months later, he won a huge mandate, not a majority, but he won a mandate. And is Prime Minister of Canada and is by far the most dominant force in Canadian politics today. I would actually say not only does Mark Carney win the political MVP, he also wins the rookie of the year. I think that's, I think I'm changing my vote. I think he wins rookie of the year. for what he accomplished on taking the liberals from where they could have been in that election and where they ended up, absolutely, he is the political MVP of the year. Okay, we don't have a lot of time left.

I absolutely want to get to our predictions for 2026. So Regan, I want to start with you. Just lastly on Mark Carney, he took the last place team at Christmas and won the Stanley Cup in the spring. And that is an incredible feat and should not be lost. Oh, no. It's never been done. done, but something like that has never been done before, and I doubt it will ever be repeated. And so my predictions for this year, first is for the city of Toronto, my prediction is that

Brad Bradford will emerge victorious in the 2026 Toronto mayoralty. Olivia Chow, as we described earlier, has been the worst mayor in Toronto history. That tops even David Miller. But I think the people of Toronto are ready to hear for change. I think John Torrey, God bless him. He keeps kicking taking tires and, you know, wants to get back to where he was before, but the city of Toronto was not going to elect a 70-plus-year-old dude who had an affair with a staffer and then resigned in disgrace. They're going to look for change. And Brad Bradford, for me, is the change that City of Toronto is going to embrace as opposed to John Tory Biden. That's my first prediction. My second prediction is I think Pierre Paulyev will remain conservative leader. This time next year,

I suspect he will continue to be the leader of the Conservative Party, Canada. I make no prognostications on where public opinion polling will be, but I do think he will remain leader for the next year. All right. Those are two solid predictions. Andy, the floor is yours. On Pierre Pahlia, he's going to have a big win in his leadership, much of the consternation of the CBC and everyone who says that's not going to be the case.

That will be the case. He will win a big victory over 75%. He will refresh his shadow cabinet, and he will begin to pivot in style because he is a politician, and that's what good politicians do, and he is a good politician. So I think those two things will happen in the first quarter of 2026. I also think Mark Carney is going to make changes to his cabinet and the civil service that will surprise a lot of people and be quite dramatic

because he's still working with a team that he inherited, which makes his accomplishments even more pronounced and even more amazing. But he's going to really put his stamp finally on government, on the institutions, on the leadership of all of these crown corporations. So the Kearney factor hasn't fully filtered out throughout the whole government. It feels like he's building the car while he's running the race. It's pretty impressive. So I think that is going to happen.

And at the same time, the Mark Carney Imperial Prime Ministerhip will start to emerge as well. I think this man likes control and we're going to see a lot more of that in 2026 from him. Well, listen, I hope to see more of you guys in 2026. This was a fine way to end our time together this year. I look forward to many, many more panels with you. But in the interim, please close up this year with love and with family. And let's kick off 2026 in style together. Thanks so much, guys.

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