The Ben Mulroney Show - Rock Legends Triumph/a renewed push for petition support for an Afghan Vet

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

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The whole way? The whole way. Welcome back. Welcome back to the Ben, Mulroney show. Thank you so much for spending a little bit of your Tuesday with us. That was, of course, the Sounds of Triumph. And the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame Legends induction event is taking place in Toronto on October 17th. And Triumph is going to be front and center. Very pleased to be joined by two members of this legendary Canadian group, Mike Levine and Gilmore. To the both of you,

I say, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Hi, Ben. Nice to be here. And before the break, we were talking about how I'm on my way after this to go interview. Doug Ford, the Premier of Ontario, and you are sharing with me that he's a big fan. Yeah, I think Doug is, he's constantly dealing with serious issues that he has to speak to, but I know personally that he has his shoulder behind music, and music's been a part of his life as it was, his brother Rob. And I think that's a good thing for all of us in the Canadian music industry, and particularly here in Ontario. Now, every group is different, right? every group has a different dynamic in terms of who writes and how they write and the process

by which the songs are birthed and become a reality. What was it like in triumph? Who did the writing? Well, how it unfolded, it really starts with, you know, Papa Bear, which is Mike, because he was a producer. So he actually knew how to go into a studio, whereas Rick and I were, you know, neophytes. But Mike had this experience. So, you know, he kind of direct activities a lot of the time. Sometimes we would jam stuff out on the floor. You know, it might start with a riff. You know, it might start with a rhythm. Yeah.

Might start with a sequence, a guitar sequence. Does it ever start with a lyric? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah. And Mike was good on working out, you know, sort of chord progressions with Rick on the piano. Of course, we all know drummers are the strongest when it comes to things like music theory. Try not to moll. So, I think Rick was probably completely capable of putting a song together, you know, with lyrics and chords and everything, because he's an instrumentalist.

And, you know, he put up with my ideas of, you know, it goes like this, Rick. I'm humming it to him. And, you know, and then you had Mike in there as the pro. So it was kind of like three chefs in the kitchen. And at the end of the day, there's some soup that was pretty good. Yeah. There's a lot of accolades that can be heaped on a band. And Triumph certainly has happened. their share of accolades. But where does being honored with the pantheon of songwriters compared to being a great live performers or having a popular album in terms of sales? Where does that rank in terms of accomplishments in terms of pride? I'd say it's right up there with everything else because in music, especially rock music that we're experienced in, it's a kind of

start with the song. Yeah. Has to. You know, if you've got no song, it's like you've got a bunch of drivel, kind of, you know, if you're hacking it out and going out, you know. Yeah. So the song is the key. Yeah.

Otherwise, everybody would have 10 hits, you know. You're lucky to have one, never mind 10. You know, I'm, um, uh, one of my favorite things to do with my kids is, uh, watch superhero TV shows and superhero movies in it. And James Gunn has just taken over the DCU and this. a TV show. One most popular shows in the United States is peacemaker. And that show is not as popular if the soundtrack isn't as successful as it is. And James Gunn is a lover of rock music from the late 70s through the early 90s.

And it's that that soundtrack is, I think, leading to a whole new generation of discovering that music and what it meant to people. what does it mean to you when people, kids who were not born when Triumph was rising in the charts? What does it mean to you when you hear that young kids are connecting with your music? I think we could go back to when the band was we first started making records. We used to call it what the father's son

or parent-child syndrome where the records got handed down or the parents would bring the kids to concerts. Yeah. Right? And he said this is what dad does. Everybody gets hived, but he does go to show. I rock shows, too. What were the goals of a young triumph in 1975 in Mississauga?

Like, look, you can't be what you can't see, right? And there wasn't, there were some massive Canadian successes in music for sure, but it wasn't the rule. It was the exception. So what were your goals as a band in 1975? And what happened when you blew past them? Yeah, I think, Ben, it's like trying not to get fired. you're not really targeting Hall of Fames or anything like that

and you know young bands all go through this you're basically not ready for prime time every gig is really an audition and a chance for the audience to say no no I'm out of here you know so when we start out it's you want to break through that and when we played our first show you know at Simco District High School in 1975 and the audience we saw this thing that we saw

a little jaw dropped you remember your first show show? Yeah, very well, because... At Simcoe, high school? Yeah, I mean, it's that first chance to make first impression. Okay, no, no, no. Walk me through. Okay, how many people were in the audience? Oh, were you in the auditory? 500, maybe. 500. Okay, and... Maybe 300, I don't know. And was it billed, like, what was the show? Was it billed as triumph? Like, what would talk to me about? How did it come to be?

It was triumph. Um, and Mike and I, before we had, before we found Rick, we had this genius idea to have a poster that would make people come to our shows. So we had a devil's head coming out of a flaming sea. Very logical. Very logical. Why wouldn't you have a devil's head? But we had no Rick. But then we got Rick, but we still had the posters that we'd paid for. So the way we advertised our shows was the devil's head and like, I guess you have to guess who's in the band. But, you know, it was turned out to be a very strategic move. It was. Very good. Is that your idea, Mike? I don't know.

No, actually, we didn't have a name at that point. Oh, it wasn't Triumph yet? No, we were going to call the bad hellfire. Hellfire. Yeah, I mean, I think similar oomph, but different end result, I think. People would think something different. So you've got back to your original question, was thinking ahead. Yeah.

Back of those days, you couldn't say the word hell on the radio. Right. Yes. Right. So we said, nope, that's been trying to go. By the way, triumph, I mean, I bet you if triumph weren't taken by you, A half a dozen bands today would have tried to call themselves triumph. They're still there.

So who's doing it right these days? What young bands are coming up that you're saying, you know what? These guys are embodying the best of rock and roll. Man, there's so many of them. I wouldn't know where to start. I just, you know, my thought process is younger people just get better and better and better. And they are, despite a lot of the, you know,

I'll call the older naysayers. Oh, well, they're not doing music like I used to like. To those guys, I say, you know what, open your ears and listen to these young kids that are coming up. There's just amazing amount of talent out there and it just grows every day. The music industry has changed completely from where it was 10 years ago and completely differently than where it was 10 years prior. Is it getting to a place where it's healthy again for artists? Are artists reestablishing that they're getting their fair share of their own music and their own success? That's an interesting question, because, you know, A, we're pretty far removed from the actual mainstream of it.

But there is opportunity. The problem I see for a young band these days is the clutter. There's 100,000 songs a day uploaded to Spotify. Is it really? 100,000 a day. Oh, my gosh. God, yeah. So, like, where's the space?

Yeah. Like, when we started out 50 years ago at Sypco District I was a lot of that story. Yeah. You know, there was maybe a dozen Canadian bands tops that had albums. Yeah, yeah. Well, so gentlemen, I wish I could do this for the rest of the show. Sadly, I can't, but I want to remind everybody that the Canadian songwriters' Hall of Fame Legends induction event is taking place in Toronto on October.

17th to Mike Levine and Gilmore, I want to thank you very much. And Gil, can I just say, you got the best damn hair I've seen in years, Jesus. What, I mean, what's going on there? Did you ever, did you ever, did you ever have it come above the? No, I never really cut it, you know, little hair dye doesn't hurt to keep it dark. No, but it's the flow, man. I mean, it's just, like, nobody would ever say that guy works in a bank. Like, this is amazing.

I'm just really jealous. because if I did that, I mean, they put me on some sort of watch list. To the both of you, I say thank you very much and really an honor to have you here on the Ben Mulroney show. Thanks a lot, Ben. All right, don't go anywhere. Justin and Katie, kissing on a boat. Our 4 p.m. sure seems smitten by a California girl.

That's next. This is the Ben Mulrooney Show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. That was Katie Pear. We'll talk about Katie Pear in a second, but I do want to talk about Triumph for a second there because what wonderful men that we just had on the show, getting like.

They were just fantastic. Super nice. Super, super nice. And the gentleman of the highest order, and the fact that they remember their very first show. Like, their very first show to high school in 1975. That's rare for rock bands. That's rare for right.

Yes, you darn right. Yes. Like, yeah, you go through the meat grinder of being a successful rock band. I would, there would be decades that I would forget. I love the story about the, what was it, the devil head that came out that they had? Well, they wanted to call themselves Hellfire, but you couldn't say hell on the radio. I'm not supposed to say hell on the radio, and yet I do. There's lots of stuff I say I'm not supposed to say.

H. H.E. Double hockey sticks. Yeah. Anyway, thanks so much for triumph. And congratulations on their much earned accolade of Canadian. songwriters. I think they're reached legendary status. What is it? The Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame Legends induction event taking place on October 17th. I've talked to enough people in the music industry that songwriting is such a badge of honor and to be

remembered as one of the greats. I'm sure as a point of pride for them and their families and their fans. And you brought up the James Gunn thing? I could 100% see one of their songs on one of is one of his show. Absolutely. Okay. So yeah, listen, this is not a story that I necessarily want to talk about, but everybody's talking about it. And this is our former prime minister, Justin Trudeau, canoodling on a yacht with Katie Perry. There was speculation that they were dating and then they saw them kissing. Look, I want to leave Justin Trudeau alone. He's living his best life. We can, we can absolutely, and there's lots of time to criticize his policies and the impact of those policies on this country. I think there's a lot that needs to be said. And it will be said over the course of

years and indeed decades as his legacy bears out over time. Some of it will be negative and some of it, believe it or not, will be viewed positively. And I don't begrudge him for getting on with his life as we as Canadians need to get on with ours. There are people saying, I wonder what the carbon footprint of that yacht is, for example. Look, I don't know by you. but I'm kind of focused on the road ahead, not the road behind. The one thing I will say is, who the hell wears jeans on a yacht? Who wears jeans on a yacht? Like, put on a bathing suit, man.

If you're on a yacht right off the coast of Santa Barbara, your girlfriend's in a bathing suit, put on, take the jeans off and put on a bathing suit. Was it caught by surprise? I don't know. I don't know. But, look, I don't begrudge the guy one thing. He's with a pop star having a great luck. Good on you, man.

Good on you. Like I said, I'm able to bifurcate the. professional and the personal. And personally, I'm glad he's having a good time in his post-political life. God knows he was under a lot of stress. Some of it's self-induced for sure, but I'm not going to sit here. I'm not going to sit here and begrudge the guy. The fact he went out on a date, he's dating a successful pop star. Good on him. Maybe she's got some tips for his son who is an aspiring pop star as well. That's just a dad thing and a guy thing. You can talk about his politics for hours and about the issues

that he put Canada in. So let's talk about the here and now. Let's talk about the things that are happening. Let's talk about the things that are affecting Canadians. And one of them is that a Canadian economist, Peter Howitt, won the Nobel Prize for Economics.

That's a very big deal. Everyone always focuses on the Peace Plan or the Peace Award. And this one, he won the award for something called Creative Destruction. and how the economy evolves like nature. It's survival of the fittest. Old companies and jobs die off.

New ones take their place. And that constant turnover drives growth. According to Professor Howitt, the key is disruption. New ideas from people willing to challenge the status quo. But once those disruptors succeed, they often become the establishment, trying to block the next wave of innovation. And that's why competition policy keeping markets open and preventing monopolies is so important. And one of the things that we were talking about in the lead up to the show is, do we have that element of disruption and innovation in Canada? I'm sure we, I know we have individual companies that are innovative.

And we have the minds. Yeah, and we have the minds. But do we have the framework? Do we have the environment that fosters that drive to be innovative, that drive to be disruptors? I kind of think that the disruptors that we have, the innovators that we have are the exception that proved the rule that we are by and large a country of safety. You know, we are the country of the big banks and we're the country of the big, you know, we've got, just look at the names of the companies that that populate these stadiums and arenas around this country. We've got the, you know, it's either banks or telcos, right? Well, Mark Carney hasn't really weighed in on this.

he hasn't really dipped it. He's been busy, obviously, with trade issues. But to deal with how Canada supports small and medium-sized businesses, hey, we just talked about Justin Trudeau and his love life. Well, his policies made it very difficult for small and medium businesses to succeed. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm glad that you mentioned trade because one of the, one of the big agenda points on Mark Carney's to-do list, things that he needs to clean up after 10 years of the previous government is what to do with our increasingly deteriorating relationship with India. The other one's China, right? Both of those. And as a country of 40 million people, how do you deal with the two largest economies in terms of people in the world? India number one country

in the world in terms of population, number one, democracy in the world, biggest democracy in the world. And China, the second largest economy in the world. In both cases, it seems that we have found ourselves running a foul of traditionally not hostile relationships or truly positive relationships, but by and large, they weren't negative relationships. And it now looks like Canada and India have agreed on a new roadmap to rebuild relations. That's two years after the diplomatic rupture over the killing of a Canadian sick leader. That's a net positive for this country. Like if we can take a nuisance off the board and replace it with something positive, that is

something that should be championed. That is something that we should be looking to our government and saying, job. If we can restore normal relations with a country like India, that is one thing we don't have to worry about anymore. But are we ignoring the human rights violations and the fact that there was a killing on Canadian soil, the spying this sort of thing? Those are the details that need to be ironed out. If we can at least come to an agreement that we need to do better, then that's a starting point. I'm not suggesting it's done yet. I'm suggesting it's a starting point. I mean, for the longest time, we were talking at each other through the press.

The fact that we are meeting face to face is a net positive. It is a significant step in restoring normalcy to those relations. Well, the fact remains. You can have a trading partner and still not fully trust them and, you know, keep an eye on them out of the corner of your eye because you know who they are. I mean, that's pretty much everyone. Look, listen, you got to be realistic about the world. I mean, how many goods do we buy? every day from China, and China is a net negative in the world in terms of human rights abuses. I mean, we know that for a fact, and yet we're able to, I don't know, accept that not everyone is perfect. I mean, that's a terrible way of putting it. But look, not everyone's Canada. Not everyone

holds themselves to the same standard as us. And if we only traded with countries that took human rights as seriously as we do, we wouldn't have a lot of allies in the world. We would not have that. And in fact, if we took things, I mean, if you took a lot of the stuff seriously about what's going on with America, we wouldn't be training with them. And that's one of the reasons we are looking to countries like India because, because universally the United States is treating everybody a little more coldly than they used to. India and what the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I think that's the way you're supposed to look at it, that India and Canada are saying,

hey, we're both on the outs with the U.S. Let's do a deal together. And so the agreement includes plans for ministerial-level talks and collaboration on agriculture, science and technology, nuclear energy, AI, critical minerals, and clean energy. So, look, I'm choosing to look at this as the first step towards a positive outcome. And I wish our government success on that file because their success is our success. All right, up next, why a man called The Point of the Spear needs your help.

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And despite that, he has not been awarded Canada's highest military honor. He's been giving Canada's second highest military honor, but for some reason, the highest military honor remains elusive to even a man of this level of courage and commitment to Canada. And so our next guest is helping with a petition to see if we can change that. So please welcome to the show, former Chief of Defense Staff, General Rick Hillier. General, before we begin, thank you so much for your service, sir. I, Ben, thank you so much. My service was a labor of love.

I loved every minute of being a soldier for Canada, and if I could do it all over again, I'd do it all over again. But thank you for saying it. Thank you. Well, I believe that that commitment, everybody in an ideal world is committed to Canada, their commitment to Canada is demonstrated in different ways. Some people put themselves forth politically, others militarily, others in terms of charity and philanthropy.

And we need all of those things to coalesce and come together for Canada to become the best version of itself. But we're here today to talk about the sacrifice, courage, and commitment to Canada that was displayed on the battlefield in the face of tremendous odds and pain and injury by private Jess Larichelle. And so there is a petition that is being circulated called Petition E6661. Tell me about the petition, sir. Well, Ben, first of all, to go back to what you said about all the different areas we need, a service comes in many forms and a strong nation needs them all to be strong. Just Larichelle is, like, I had the privilege to meet this incredible young man to get to know him, to admire him both through the citation that we saw for his actions back in 2006,

right through to when I spent three or four hours with him in North Bay during COVID, actually, and listened to him, walked through his story. And he was awarded the Star of Military Derry Baller, the second highest award. I was the chair of the Honors and Awards, Canadian Forces Honors and Awards Committee at the time. So I take responsibility that he did not get moved forward and nominated for the Victoria Cross. We were new to war.

You know, I joke a little bit that we were kind of like the French figure skating judge in the Olympics who kept our marks. until the French skaters came forward. Well, we were saying, you know, my goodness, this is incredible, but we're new to this and something else might come through. I think we got it wrong. And that is what we are trying to rectify. And I fully support that.

And so one of the ways to get this rectified is to get the government up Canada through the House of Commons to say we want an independent review of not only Jess, but the other star of military valor winners, to assess that we've gotten it right with them. In order to do that, we need this petition to go forward. We've had a certain number of days, and we need 20,000 signatures, and we're kind of staying at about 11,000. 11,372.

The goal is 20,000 minimum. The deadline is November 20th, 2025. So we've got 37 days left, General. We are going to post the link on our Twitter account, and we want to make sure that anybody, I'm pretty sure if anybody Googles petition, House of Commons, Jess La Rochelle, they will come, they'll get pretty close to the link required for their signature. Generally, you sort of gave us a sense of, you know, we were new to war and that sort of thing, but could it be something else?

I mean, is there something else holding us back from honoring our heroes? Because I have to think, yes, this petition is the first step in doing it. But our government at any point could have just taken. taken the initiative themselves and retroactively done this. I mean, it doesn't require a groundswell of support from 20,000 Canadians, does it? No, it doesn't. And you know something? We've always been terrible in our nation at recognizing people, particularly people in combat,

particularly military, soldiers, sailors, aviators. We've always been terrible at doing that. We've always been reluctant to do it for some reason. And I think the fight now over the last five or six, maybe even seven years we've been at it, to try and get just what I believe appropriately recognized. And perhaps there are several others also is the reluctance of our government even to consider this. We had one motion moved, a unanimous consent motion in the House of Commons. It was brought in by Aaron O'Toole after he had left as the leader of the opposition.

and it was voted against completely by the government at the time. We've had the bureaucracy of Canada, including the Canadian forces truthfully, very reluctant, in fact, determined not to restart this. And I just think that we've got it wrong. And a strong nation recognizes at times when we've got it wrong and takes the steps to change that. And I believe that's what we should do now. I'm not saying, Ben, that Jess Larachelle should have the Victoria Cross pinned on him. And that's what we should do.

I believe he should, but I would much rather have an independent review directed by the government to look at those who have won the star of military valor in combat and decide does any one of them, starting with Jeff Larchelle, deserve to be recognized with the Victoria Cross. I believe the answer would be yes in Jess's case and perhaps him one or two others even because look at Captain Rick Stacey. What an incredible hero himself. So we can rectify this. General, it does seem like if, look, people can argue whether or not they think this liberal government is different from the previous one. In one area where they absolutely are different is their commitment to raising Canada's our expenditures and the value that we place on our military. Mark Carney has said that we will reach our 2% GDP to military spending commitment to NATO this year.

Justin Trudeau said it wasn't going to happen for over a decade. So in that way, that commitment has been demonstrated, that difference is clear. Perhaps that's the difference we need. Perhaps this, this is now the time. Perhaps this leader would be more willing to hear this sort of argument than our previous prime minister. Well, Ben, I hope so. And just think about this little scenario. Can you imagine how powerful it would be for our prime minister to direct in the lead-up to 11 November

in that solemn day where we remember and respect those who have fallen, those who have served, those who have sacrificed for Canada to direct that there be an independent review put in place and confirm whether or not any of those star of military valor winners are appropriate for a Victoria Cross or not. What an incredible, powerful message to Canadians about our respect for those who served, our love of young men and women like Jeff Larachelle,

and our recognition of just what it cost him. And at the end of it, it cost him his life. Because in my mind, he died from the complications and implications of his wounds and then the treatment that was subsequent to that. And he died several years ago because of that. And general, while politics shouldn't be the driving consideration, politics are everywhere. And there is something, and I'm not a member of the Conservative Party,

I don't speak for the Conservative Party, but something tells me that if this liberal government did exactly what you said, you would have near unanimous support from the Conservative Caucus. And so between the liberals and the conservatives, that makes up over 80% of the popular vote demonstrated in the last election.

There is nothing more Canadian than conservatives and liberals coming together to remember and honor and celebrate those brave men and women who have laid their lives on the line in furtherance and in service of Canada and our values around the world. I think you're absolutely right

on November 11th, if something like that could happen, it would be a moment to celebrate indeed and something that so many most Canadians would get behind and celebrate. Well, Ben, what a message to Canadians. It's not just the Conservatives and the Liberals, but that entire House of Commons stood as one and voted yes

to an independent review, and we're going to recognize the minimum or serve for our country. We're going to remember them and we're therefore going to inspire in a very real way. Others serve candidates in the uniform of the Canadian forces.

General, we're going to have to leave it there but thank you so much. Of course, we will be posting a link to the petition on our website. We've got 37 days to get this right and I thank you very much. A kidnap child whispers dark secrets from his past in a language he no longer understands. But a lost cassette will reveal the ugly truth.

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