The Ben Mulroney Show - Scott Newgent: Speaking Honestly, Living Authentically

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

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This podcast is brought to you by the National Payroll Institute, the leader for the payroll profession in Canada, setting the standard of professional excellence, delivering critical expertise, and providing resources that over 45,000 payroll professionals rely on. To the Ben-Moll, Rune, so thank you so much for joining us. You know, a few weeks ago, I had a eureka moment because homelessness is such an important issue when you're living in a big city. and if you care about people, you want to talk about those issues. And so I, we had, we had a homeless man who's touring Canada

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Oh, okay. Yeah, our guest is just checking in with us right now. So I'll tell you a little bit about it because we, I think what we're doing today follows that model. You know, over the past few weeks, there has been the conversation about trans rights entered the chat as it relates to the WNBA. And everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I have mine. I share it here. But up until this point, we hadn't done the one thing that we needed to do, which was listen to and learn from someone I respect very much from the content that I'm seeing, a transgender person on this show to give us their take on this. And so that's what we're doing right now. And I'm very glad to be welcoming. You've probably seen this man's social.

media. It's by the algorithms feeding it to me. And I'm very glad it is. Please welcome to the show Scott Nugent. Scott, thank you so much for being here. Thanks, Ben. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah. When I first saw you, you came across as level-headed, such as a great communicator, hard to, hard to argue with the points that you were putting forth and made all the more significant by your own personal story. For those listeners of the Ben Mulroney show, who don't know who Scott Nugent is. Can you tell us a little bit about your life?

Well, sure. Of course, I'm a biological woman. I started to medically transition at around 41, 42. I, you know, got to the end of medical transition and had an enormous amount of complications. 17-month recurring bacteria infection, sepsis, almost died and kind of woke up to the idea that, You know, gender ideology is not all it's cracked up to be.

It's not as safe as people say that it is. And, you know, a lot of people don't know. I made a promise to God that if I would live through the end of what I was going through and be here for my kids, I would speak out against gender ideology and especially medically transitioning children. Yeah. You've given birth. You've given birth and now, and you're living as a man.

So you can speak to a whole lot of. experiences that most people can't. And so when you, when you speak, I listen. Talk to me about the sort of your perception of the trans, I don't know if it's a trans movement or the trans community, but the trans rights movement, let's call it that. Did you notice a pivot into sort of, it feels a little toxic, it feels like it's not helpful, it feels like there's enemies around every corner from my perspective. Did you ever look at something just, something changed in my community? Well, you know, I actually noticed it from the beginning.

When I first started to medically transition, my wife said, you need to go and spend some time with some transgender people. And I realized very quickly that there were a lot of people in the community that were not well as far as mentally well. A lot of people with sexual fetishes. And so I kind of, I separated myself from that community. Doesn't mean all. But I've always known, quite frankly, there are a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puckoo.

a lot of them are. But I did see a shift with society. And actually, it seems like whatever transgender people feed society, people just kind of bite it and swallow it. And it's absolutely flagagassing to me where we're at that we're talking about trans athletes, that we're talking about medically transitioning kids. It's just nuts to me. Yeah. Well, I found a story that I want to start with because I think it feeds into the rest of the conversation.

Mia Farrow is a wonderful actress, and she's made a career of being not just a great actress, but a very empathetic woman, very progressive interviews, very, you know, she's in a lot of marches for a lot of stuff. She wears a lot of ribbons, and that's her brand, and she's, I'm sure, a lovely woman. And she took to her online platform to post on Blue Sky, and she wrote just 0.95% to 1% to 1%.

to 1% of the United States population, age 13 and older, identifies as transgender. So what is Trump's obsession with transgender folk? She was literally using her platform to defend a community. And rather than see her in that moment as an ally, that they chose to view her as a turf. People were enraged saying, identifies as?

No, they are transgender, saying they identify as insinuates that they are not really what they are claiming to be. If you truly care about trans folks, do effing better. And it goes on and on and on. What strikes me, Scott, is this community has so much clout, and yet they're willing to take people who are natural allies and turn them into opponents. You're absolutely right.

And I'll talk to you about that because there's something in what she said that's not correct. and they should be focusing on that. But they did the same thing to J.K. Rallying. A lot of people don't realize that J.K. Rowling was one of the first celebrities to start to give money to the gay and lesbian community. She was one of the first people to stand up with us. And so the problem is that we have decided in the transgender community that questions mean hate. And that's not correct. But here's the thing that I think is kind of interesting.

They focus on one thing in that conversation, which is identity. Basically, they want to be seen as transgender, as kind of like breaking a bone. You break a bone, you put the x-ray up, and you can see the bone break, right? That's not what medicine can do with transgenderism. We've attached far more meaning to medicine than what medicine can deliver, and there's no such thing as changing sex. But here's the thing that I think is interesting. They talked about 0.9% to 1% of the population between 13 and 17. If you go on the Williams Institute and take a look at that, that's up to almost 4% now.

She was describing numbers that was 10 years ago. So if it's not a contagion, why are we hundreds and thousands of kids more in just a 10-year period of time? So that was, again, 10 years ago. It's actually almost up to 4%. And Canada's the worst for it. Yeah, yeah. Apparently, I was listening to a JK Rolling podcast. And it was, what somebody said is there was a spike in interest in, you know, the issues of sexuality and fluidity of identity during the pandemic on Tumblr.

And that's where people were going to, you know, if you couldn't be outside, then you were going to live your greatest life in your. imagination and a lot of the the genders that now populate our nomenclature were were created it from whole cloth on tumbler during the pandemic yeah you're absolutely right you know transgenderism if you really take a look at it transgenderism is not progressive thought it's actually archaic it's going back and it takes you a while to figure that out but i mean if you look at transgender or men that transition to trans women they're overtly Feminently sexual if you take a look at trans men they're overtly try to be as masculine as possible I mean Elliot Page or Ellen Page you would take a look at her she doesn't say anything she's just like looks in the mirror like she just

tries to be so masculine and that's kind of going back right so men come all different ways and women come all different ways so transgenderism is trying to be pushed as some kind of progressive thing first of all it's not second of all it's not that big of a deal it's cosmetic surgery And for some people, you know, presenting as the opposite sex does help them walk a little bit lighter in life. But it doesn't fix mental health problems. We should not be force feeding people that have mood disorders and bipolar and all these massive mental illnesses with massive cross-sex hormones. It's, we shouldn't be surprised with all of the mass shootings and all the violence and, you know, them acting that way towards, towards me. It's never going to be enough.

It's never going to be enough. We're going to take a quick break, Scott, because we've got a lot more to talk about on the other side of the break, including, like I said, it was only a matter of time that the transgender gambit would find its way

onto the courts of the WNBA, and they were not prepared for it. So I can't wait to get your take on that. Don't go anywhere. This is the Ben Mulroney show. We are continuing our conversation with someone, I think is one of the most rational, sober-minded voices in the conversation around trans

rights and the trans movement. Scott Nugent, thank you so much for sticking around. Thanks for having me. I appreciate that. So the trans community preaches tolerance in your experience. Do you see this movement as tolerant? No, it's not tolerant at all. And that's the problem, right? You have to agree with everything that they say or you are a bigot and that's where we're getting into a problem nobody can ask questions you know nobody can even ask questions to the idea that what is being transgender what is it is it are we describing gender dysphoria are we describing a medical decision an identity a personality a political category um you know a person who medically transitioned we don't

know yeah we can't ask and that's why we're having the problem with the w nba because it's so Airy, nobody wants to be pinned down to anything. Well, it's, uh, this, this was bound to happen though, wasn't it? I mean, just saying, you know, it's a league for women. And, and, and, but if, because they are, uh, you know, equal parts, sports league and social justice movement, uh, that they, they took it upon themselves to be the tip of the sword, uh, in professional sports for trans rights. And a trans woman is a woman.

and I learnt from another podcast that in all the governing documents that make up the WNBA, there is not a single definition of what constitutes a woman. They say only women can play in this league. But beyond that, there is no definition. And so obviously we now, because of Sophie Cunningham's position and the swift and intolerant reaction to that position, Scott, I think a lot of people said, hey, we have an opportunity to, show that the foundations of this entire worldview are built on shifting sands. You're absolutely right. And one of the things that I wish people understood was how many

transgender people, older transgender people like me, email me and really appreciate what I'm doing and speaking out loud. And a lot of people can't because you get a backlash, right? So if people only understood that the majority of trans people do agree with me, it's all the outliers. It's all the people that want this, you know, just grandiose attention and just make total complete, you know, jerks of themselves that is making a political movement. And so the gentleman who's doing this in the WMBA, I forget his name. I thought that was brilliant. Yeah, Ennis Cantor is the first.

And Royce, Royce White is a set. Royce White is really playing it up. He's putting on wigs and he's big, he's never got this much attention. Ennis Cantor is an interesting guy because this is a guy who's taken on issues in the past that meant something to him and he didn't care if he was David or Goliath. He was going to stand for what he thought was right. This is not a man who's doing this for publicity or for money. He's doing this because he thinks that this conversation needs to end with the folly of this all being exposed.

Absolutely. He's like pinning them in a corner. It's brilliant. Right? Yeah. You know, if we could just speak about facts with men, men who medically transition or take estrogen, right? Men in general are 60% stronger than women.

That's a significant amount. It's a significant amount. It's a significant amount. When you are on estrogen for over a year to two years, you lose 5 to 15%. I mean, so the facts are right there. So they're stronger than the women. It's not fair, number one. They've got bigger organs, bigger hearts, faster recovery time.

They've got more oxygen going through their blood. you know, bigger bones. It's just, it's absolutely not fair. Again, we're asking medicine to do too much. Medicine can't deliver change in sex. We can make the way you look on the outside, but. Well, and this is why this is important because I am not sitting here and I've never sat here saying, I don't want trans people to live their best lives.

I want them to be the fullest and best expression of who they are. This issue of sports is such a wedge issue that represents such a small, sliver of the community, but people use it to supposedly expose my intolerance, which I reject. But that's why this tiny issue has to go away. And we have to expose those who who foisted this false reality on us by taking this train to its illogical conclusion. Absolutely. What about the rights of women? I mean, In 1973 was the year that women started to get their own sports. And what about the rights of women?

We're just throwing that away because some man says that, hey, I'm a woman. Yeah, yeah. And people are okay with that. How do you see this playing out? What do you think? If you were a betting man, how do you think this is going to end for the WNBA? I think the WNBA is going to let him play. You think so?

I do. Okay, because think about it. If they do that, then every single guy who missed the draft or every single guy who misses playing basketball is going to self-identify as a woman. And the league is going to be made up of self-identifying women who are not biological women. No, I think this is kind of a turning point right here in trans women in sports. This person has pinned the WMBA into a corner. Yeah. Nobody wants to go up against the big bad trans. You know, even most people understand and know that that trans women shouldn't be in sports, but they are put into a corner. So they're either going to have to let him play or they're going to have to define what a transgender woman is. And a transgender woman is a man who takes estrogen to create an illusion of the opposite sex, but he is still a man. And why isn't that enough? Why isn't that okay? because I'll tell you, illusion never ends well.

Delusion never ends well. I tell my kids all the time, we don't get everything we want in life. And at this point, in terms of all the advances that have been made for the trans community, there are some tremendous wins, especially in a country like Canada, some tremendous wins.

And it's now part of our lives up here. Now you could argue about stuff on the sides, but by and large, being trans in Canada today, a heck of a lot better than it was, say, 15, 20 years ago when we really didn't have a... But by all means, let's make it about this sport thing. You're not going to get that. There was a stand-up comic here in Toronto, Scott, a gay stand-up comic, who said biology matters. He said, for all intents and purposes, my stepfather is my father, except when it comes to needing a kidney transplant.

And that's what this is. Right. Because biology matters. And to me, it's as simple as that. And we have to, we, this, this had to happen so we can get back to what we just said. Biology matters. That's it. End of story.

It's not emotional. It's not mean. It's not, it's not exclusive. It just, it is what it is. But there's a few other stories here that maybe make me think that the, um, uh, things are changing in terms of perception. As you just said, you've got, they are. The majority of people are quietly sitting there agreeing with you and really not paying too much

mind to the trans community and the Matrix co-director, a Lily Wachowski, who was a man, transgender woman, said that nobody in Hollywood wants to finance a new $10 million thriller because of its trans representation. Apparently, it over-indexes

on trans actors and there you go. It seems like we're not going down the route in Hollywood, even for a small $10 million movie to to do this virtue signaling stuff anymore. Well, I think that Sophie, like I said, did, you know, just really kind of turn this around. And I think companies and people that have money that want to make more money are starting to realize

that they're on the wrong side with the transgender thing. And transgender people need to actually step up. More decent transgender people need to stand up and, you know, take the mic away from these idiots, you know, that have these sexual fetishes that are speaking for our community. because they're really making us look bad. You know, we need to have the Buck Angels. We need to have the Blair Whites. We need to have more of those people stand up and say, hey, listen,

these people are, you know, cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Yeah. You know? Would you say that things are getting better or do you think they're going to get worse before they get better? Well, here's the thing. If you teach a toddler that every time they go into a store, they can get candy. and then all of a sudden they go into the store and they can't get candy anymore.

What happens is that toddler? That's the toddler that's, you know, kicking and screaming and kicking and screaming and kicking and screaming. So when we start to push back against transgender people and the people that are on, you know, the far side of it, the auto gonophilia, the people that are just out there, they're going to start throwing fits. And I said this about four years ago with some journalists. And that's where you're seeing a lot of the shooters or a lot of the transviolence. So unfortunately, I believe it's going to get worse. worse before it gets better and it's not going to get fixed until more decent trans people stand up and say enough. And you are certainly leading that charge, Scott Nugent. I want to thank you for

taking time out of your day to come talk to the audience of my show. I really appreciate if people want to follow you. How can they do so? Oh, you know what? I'm on Instagram, Facebook. I don't, you know, I'm not I don't do that for that. I do this to try to save kids, but you know, they can follow me on Facebook or my videos kind of go around. I love it. As you are you are old school, man. Thank you very much. I really appreciate. All the best of you. All right, you take care.

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