The Ben Mulroney Show - TDSB leadership change/A personal connection to Cancer - get checked!!

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

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She has a built-in ability To take everything she seems Is an hour of those? I'm falling for her All right. Thank you. Welcome to the show. Happy Friday, everybody.

So I saw this meme a couple of days ago that said, Generation X, the mind of a music fan from Generation X is quite unique because you got boy bands, you got pop, you got hip hop, and then you just got a whole bunch of Phil Collins peppered all over the place. That's us. That's this brain right here. Welcome to the show. Happy Friday. It is, what are you there? Oh, the 12th. The 12th of December, 2025. And yes, this is what we're going to talk. Yeah, we're going to talk about that. in a second. But how's everybody do this morning? Good. Yeah. Amy, you're good? Excellent. At Dave Spargala, how are you?

I'm good. I just want to comment on the Phil Collins thing. Yeah, so I'm in the same brain when Phil Collins comes on radio. Also, when Phil Collins comes on in the grocery store. Oh, yeah. That's a good time. Power shopping. No, but also there was this there was a series on YouTube years ago

of like young, young black kids who are like listening to music from all different places, all walks, like classical, music and top 20 from like 20 years ago and all sorts of stuff. The one that made them really popular was when they heard Phil Collins and something in the year tonight. Oh, okay, okay.

I was going to say like maybe a song. No, because it just takes a long time to build, right? It does, yeah. And then when the drums kick in, they fell off their chairs. They fell off their chairs. It was amazing. And he's a, he's a, and you know, he made one movie. Oh, Buster.

Buster. There you go, right? He should have done more movies. He's a good actor. Yeah, exactly. He was a very good actor. He's also in, so the video game, this is from my generation, but Grand Theft Auto series, the video game series, there's always a Phil Collins song or a Genesis song on the radio stations. And he appears, I think, in Grand Theft Auto 3, if I'm not mistaken, there's a side mission with him.

Okay, how does it work? So you had Genesis, which then solo act, Phil Collins. And then the rest of the guys in Genesis go do Mike and the mechanics. I think that's what it was, yeah. Because in the living years? We should just ask down the hall because Q107 is down the living years is a great song. Yeah, it is a good song, yeah. God, I love that song.

Oh, you missed it, man. Did you know that? We've been going down. Mike Drolet is joining us. Yeah, no problem. Mike Drolet is joining us. You just missed it. We've been reminiscing about our love of Phil Collins.

We could have gone right into the floor crosser because that's something we'll obviously we'll be talking about today. But when the show starts with Phil Collins, Collins, you got to stop and give thanks for Phil Collins. Okay. Oh, yeah, you got stuff to do. Let's jump into some of the news that was breaking right before we came on to the air. The TDSB director, Clayton Latush, has been fired by the Ministry of Education.

He's only had his job for 10 months. But if I, like I said, I don't know a lot about this story yet, but I do know the mission of this ministry. I do know the mission and the values of this government. And I do know that there are some people within the TDSB that do not share that vision and they do not share those values. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Clayton

Latouche was not part of the program. And if you're, what was the line? If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem? That's my guess is according to the minister. He's part of the problem. And we'll be, we spoke with somebody from Save Our Schools, Toronto that we will be

playing the audio from at 9.30. Okay. But they say that it's a big change for the board to go from, basically this is an ideologically driven decision based on the policies that the board had espoused. So that led to the- Wait, it was an ideologically driven decision. No, no, it was because of the ideologies espoused by the board and from the top-down governance. Yeah, because, I mean, I don't think you would call it an ideology by Calandra.

to say, we want to make sure we know where the money is being spent and we want to make sure that that money is being spent on supporting our teachers and educating our kids. Yeah. And he's, I mean, he's cleaning house. He got rid of the trustees. And then now he's gotten rid of the head of the TDSB. All right.

So that is a story that we will keep you updated on. But the big story this morning is another floor crosser has left the conservatives for the liberals. Michael Ma, he's the MP for Union Neville, Markham. And he crossed the floor to the liberals on Wednesday night. No, no, sorry, on Thursday. But on Wednesday, he was taking pictures with Pierre Poliev at the conservative Christmas party. Wow.

That's a bad look. Wow. Right. So he goes to the Christmas party on the Wednesday with the conservatives. Then he crosses the floor and goes to the Christmas party for the liberals the next day. And let's listen to him being introduced to his new colleagues. So let's give a warm welcome to our newest member of the Liberal Party, Michael Ma. Wow. Such a big welcome. Thank you. Thank you. All I want to say is Merry Christmas. Happy holidays and a great 2026 coming to all of you. Thank you. And enjoy the party tonight.

So, yeah, he got a standing ovation. He got a standing ovation, which I don't know that you've accomplished anything, except I think he gave the liberals their majority. No, well, he's went away from that. But I think what he did was he succeeded in being that guy that goes to every Christmas party. Yeah, well done, sir. Well done. But look, like, okay, so, so Don Tremal, you'll remember he was the first guy to cross. And he didn't, no, he did. He got a huge, very warm reception.

He didn't get a Christmas party reception. It wasn't Christmas. Or a standing O. Yeah, well, it was standing room only in the caucus meeting anyway. But he was introduced in that caucus meeting. But my point is, we talk to a lot of people in the days after that. And what is clear, and if people don't know this, they should know that when you are part of a political team like a caucus or like you're running for office, right? You form really intense relationships with a lot of those people because you are tested in the fire.

You're tested in the cauldron. And you were tested in battle, which makes the people that you are, you are sitting with in caucus, your brothers and sisters in arms. That's how they feel like it's an experience that only they went through, right? And it also means, and every day you go into House of Commons and you prepare for battle about, and you're preparing for battle to people who are on the other side who do not share your vision for the country. And when he left, when Dantramal left, the consensus was he doesn't have any friends left in the caucus, in the conservative caucus. They will turn their backs on him because he turned, he turned his back on them, which means when he walked into that liberal caucus meeting, we all felt a little weird because like, you hated these people yesterday. You were screaming about them yesterday. You were criticizing them yesterday.

So now, with that as the backdrop, do Michael Ma. Michael Ma was sitting in there. He didn't leave what D'Hromo did. So what did he do? He probably sat there for weeks, applauding Pierre Paulyev in caucus meetings. He probably sat there and listened as they were trying to figure the best path forward. He voted against the budget. The budget that was supposed to be.

So consequentially, he voted against that budget. And now he's getting a standing ovation. He's the only liberal to have voting against the budget He's getting a standing ovation Make that make sense So I'll say this again I've said it before I do not believe

That anybody should Cross the floor I don't think you should be able to Within like within the first Call it two years of a mandate I just don't think you should be able to do it And I think you should sit as an independent And then if you want to be offering your votes to people

You can do that But if you have the courage of your convictions If you believe that you're not a conservative anymore, really hard to believe that you go from being an elected conservative to a liberal overnight. I just, I don't see it. And I've said it before because now it's been eight months since the election. It's been eight months, okay?

Go back in your mind, think about it. Think about one thing that you've done a 180 on in eight months. Think about it. What did you believe eight months ago that you don't believe today? A 180, complete 180. Okay. Now, okay, if you can find one thing, that's good on you.

Now do every other thing that you believe in in the world because that's what you have to do to go from being a conservative to a liberal. All right, we're going to follow that, obviously.

We didn't get to anything except Phil Collins. Who cares? Which makes it a very good, successful start to the show. Okay, when we come back, more on the show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show.

Every now and then, what happens in our lives informs the content that we put on the show. And Mike Drolle, my intrepid producer, you were given some really, really tough news just a few short days ago. Yeah, a good friend, the brother of my university roommate, who is also a friend of mine,

Mark Zanotti passed away. And he, well, I found out just three days ago that he had pancreatic cancer. And then yesterday during our show, I found out that he passed away. And you were able to go see him? I was able to go see him, what was, well, see him. He was in palliative care just a couple of days ago. And it's heartbreaking because he was only diagnosed, as I told you, two weeks ago. Yeah, so he went to the doctor because he just wasn't feeling well.

He went to the doctor. He had issues with something else, a few months ago, get with diabetes, and then they said something's wrong, so he went in for an endoscopy. Yeah. And then he never left the hospital because that was it. Yeah. And it was inoperable.

Chemo wouldn't work. And it's, as we're going to find out, it's a very hard cancer to detect. But yeah, it happens so quickly. Yeah. Two weeks. Can you imagine that? Two and a half weeks, three weeks ago, he's living his life. And he finds out he's got stage four. Four. Four. And you go into the hospital, you get a test, and you never leave again. And so he passed away yesterday morning at 8 a.m. and, you know, his brother Phil, who's a brother to me and his mom, lovely, lovely people.

But Mark Fonzanati was 51 years old. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry, ma'am. It's heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking. So because of that, Because of that, we want to bring on. Brandon Purcell, he's the advocacy manager of prevention and early detection at the Canadian Cancer Society. Brandon, welcome to the show. Thank you so much, Ben. So, yeah, we will listen, we talk about it all the time, not just in this case, but we talk about it, you know, if we could, if we could get ahead of the curve on so many issues, if we could really walk the talk, walk the walk and talk to talk on prevention, then we would be saving so many lies.

And also, and this does matter, we would be taking less, we would take pressure off of the health care system. So when you hear a story like Mike Droulet just told you, what do you think? Yeah, and I would just want to say on behalf of the Canadian Cancer Society, I just wanted to express our deepest condolences for Mike. And I think this is a great opportunity to honor his mad memory by having this conversation. We know that about 40% of cancer cases can actually be prevented through, various lifestyle modifications like refraining from smoking, maintaining a healthy diet and exercise are just simple things

that can lower everyone's cancer risk. Yeah, and then, but there's also, you know, there's also the get in front of a doctor, which people, you know, in this case, that's the one thing that is not necessarily the fault of everyday Canadians who cannot get, they cannot get the connection to a doctor that we used to take for granted. Exactly.

We know that there's millions and millions of Canadians who just don't have that access anymore. We at the Canadian Cancer Society believe that everyone deserves fair and timely access to Kansas screening and to having primary care physicians because it's having that person who can be your partner in the system, who can also be your advocate

and help know your body almost as well as you do that can help you keep track of these changes. But we also each know our bodies best, which is why when we see these changes happening, if we notice something that doesn't seem quite right, it is important to talk to a health care provider. Well, let's talk about the screenings, right? Because there are a number of them, every province and territory runs organized population-based screening programs for breast cancer, colorectal cancer, cervical cancer. So the system is in place.

We just have to get people to avail themselves on it. Yeah, there is a system in place for a number of cancers, some of the most prominent and cancers and ones that come with the most fatalities. But there's inconsistent access in certain provinces, there's different age qualifications for screening. So, for example, with breast cancer in some provinces like Ontario here, it's 40. Other provinces can be 45 or 50. So it's making sure that there's consistent access to all of these, all these programs. But like you mentioned, there isn't actually a screening program for pancreatic cancer. For pancreatic cancer.

It's one of those ones that has very few symptoms that can sort of just seem like everyday things. But if you're seeing something like indigestion, after it's very frequent abdominal of back pain that's worsening after eating or jaundice, dark urine, those are some of the mild things that can be, can be assigned, but we don't have that independent test for it like we do for colorectal for breast cancer. And let me ask a question about these stages. You know, when Mike says that his

friend goes in for something unrelated or they thinks is unrelated and then finds out he's got stage four cancer, they literally told him, you're not going home. You know, this is a, you thought you were coming here as part of your daily routine. Your daily routine's over. If somebody catches

one of these cancers in stage one or two as opposed to, to stage four. What's the likelihood that they survive? I mean, the numbers are different cancer to cancer, but the overwhelming trend for across the board is that if you catch something early, it is easier to treat. And so that's the universal. If you can catch a cancer in stage one or pre-cancer, the surgeries and the treatments

are so much simpler. When you get to stage four, that's when they tend to have spread throughout the body. they're so much harder to target, there's so much harder to treat, which is why taking not only those preventative measures that we have within our own power, but going for those cancer screening programs that we have access to and keeping on top of our own personal health is just so important. And, you know, as a country that prides itself on its health care system, or at least on the sort of the memory of the health care system, because it's not what it once was, but

we as a country want to do everything we can to save our health care system. care systems or provincial health care systems. Why we are not as a nation at the forefront of preventative medicine and early testing for X, Y, and Z, why we are not the best in the world at doing that in order to drive down our costs so that we don't have to pay for things later on. I have no idea, Brandon. It doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, and it really speaks to why InGUS investment in cancer research is so important. I will note that the research funding and the federal government didn't see drastic cuts like we saw elsewhere. That was something that was at least to something positive that we saw. But really, when we talk about

preventing cancer and catching it early, it not only costs the system far less money and lets more resources be spread elsewhere, it saves lives in such a tremendous. way. Talk to me about having a family history of it because Mitrolet's friend Mark, who just passed away, his dad had cancer in his pancreas as well.

Does that add to the urgency? It does, and it's certainly one of the risk factors that we see for pancreatic cancer. It tends to be in men over the age of 50 as well as women, but men who tend to get it more often.

I know that you mentioned that he had diabetes, that is actually one of the risk factors that can increase your chance of developing pancreatic cancer, excess weight and tobacco smoking, or two others. Yeah, it's just, I'm, you know, one day, I'm trying to wrap my head around because I'm going to be 50. You know, I'm going to be 50 next year. And I got to say, I haven't been to my doctorate so long. I've been to my doctor because it's been so hard to get to him.

I went to him for a couple of things last summer, but I didn't get the full, full test. But I got to go back. It's an eye-opener, is it? Yeah, it is. Hey, thank you very much, Brandon. Thank you, Brandon Purcell, advocacy manager of prevention and early detection at the Canadian Cancer Society. We really appreciate it. It's a great time to get the word out. So thank you very much.

Thank you so much, Ben. Thank you, Brandon. That's great. Yeah. So, yeah, it's, there's, you get to a certain age, and you have to go get these checks. Yeah. And it can be a pain. You don't have the time.

Yeah. it's a it's a headache but you know what a bigger headache is finding out you have pancreatic cancer and then dying two weeks later so it should get checked yeah get checked get checked yeah up next Ontario's Minister of Education dropped some big news this morning major changes at the TDSB Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show, and we talk to you about the news off the top of the show. Now we're going to drill down a little bit more into Minister Paul Calandra's decision to turf the director of the TDSB, whose name is Clayton Latush. And he started his job in February of this year.

And over the, I guess, Mike, at the beginning of the show, show you, one of the reasons you weren't in the room was because you were helping chase down some details for this story. Yes. So we did get a statement from Minister Calandra, which you can look at. Yes. Quote, under the continued leadership of the supervisor, the Toronto District School Board is refocusing on student achievement. I have full confidence that the supervisor working with the interim director will drive that focus and ensure every decision puts students first. So that's the very ministerial statement, as you might know. So then we spoke with Save Our Schools.

They weren't available now. So we just recorded a brief interview with them with Michael Tapper from Save Our Schools. And he has a few more details on the logical reasons why this decision was made. Was it a big, let me, I'll just get right into with that. Was it a big surprise when you heard about this this morning? Yes, it was. I was surprised that it happened today. But in a certain broader sense, I was not.

surprised that it happened. The TDSB has been in kind of a prisoner's ideology for many years, and I'm not surprised that finally Minister Paul Calandra has gotten frustrated with the tone at the top and decided to clean house. I'm hoping for a better set of circumstances for the TDSB going forward. What were some of the issues that really popped up over the last year? He was only on the job for 10 months? Well, one of the issues that was percolating for many years, and I think finally popped open over the last few months, was the TDSB admission policy for the specialized schools. The lottery system was instituted and pushed by the staff for many years, and there was tremendous resistance to reform. And finally, I think the minister just got frustrated, and

decided to abolish the lottery system on his own. And I'm sure he received pushback from some of the people at the TDSB top ranks of the staff. And so he decided to change the top ranks. Do you think this will have a positive effect on the TDSB? I hope so. I am always hopeful. And I think that this sends a message not only to the TDSB, but to some of the other school boards,

that ideology and these kinds of Game of Thrones shenanigans are not going. going to be tolerated anymore. Yeah. And I appreciate that insight and I appreciate that he brought it back to the specialized schools, which we talked about a little bit yesterday. And of course, we were one of the first shows to really pick up on what was going on at the Rosedale Heights School for the Performing Arts. Yeah. Because, and it was just, just happenstance that I happened to be brought into that story before it became a story, because I was asked by one of the parents to attend one of their fundraisers. As a matter of fact, somebody won the auction we're going to have at some point

there's a dad who's going to shadow me for a day and come to the radio station that's interesting yeah and so I learned about it then and I learned what the application process was like beforehand and then what it was turned into? So what exactly was it? Because just to explain to our listeners

they had a lottery system because the school is very arts focused It's incredible and the principal was there for three years. He had created the school and he brought in He manifested it. Exactly. He brought in the best of the best to be able to fill out the school's ranks.

Yeah. And like when I was walking through the halls, the art that was on the walls and the, you know, I was reading sort of the schedule of events at the school. It was incredible. And it really was like sort of like that show fame.

Except it's not an audition process to get in per se. You have to show an aptitude and an interest, right? It's not as cut throat, right? It's open enough that they could see a spark of something in you. You certainly haven't done enough yet. You're not, but you're going to come to this school

and we're going to make you better. And this was, this may not have been the reason why, but it's certainly led, it's, because it went from that to, oh, well, that's not fair. What if some people, some people can't, and I've heard it. I heard it on this show. We had people call in saying,

well, some people can't afford art classes. And yeah, you know what? That's the way the world is. Not everybody can afford everything. it just is but but if we have to if we have to legislate to the lowest common denominator to like the worst case scenario for everything then we're never going to have specialized schools we're never going to have like we're not going to have the notion of excellence will be gone it just won't exist anymore and as we've spoken with students from there if you're going to

have students who should have been able to attend that school but weren't allowed to because of numbers because of yeah they weren't part of the lottery they didn't win a lottery yet they could have earned their way in there, what does that teach them? And that was the big thing regarding that. And so Minister Calander came in and said, we've got to get rid of this. Yeah, well, and see, that's really the thing that I really think we've got to spend just a second on, is that this is an educator, right? This director, this Latouche guy. Yeah. His job is to set kids up for success and ensure that the education system is churning out the best versions of the kids. The fact that he was one of the spearheads behind taking this gem, this jewel of a school, public school, and turning it into a sort of a social engineering run amok, tells me that he was placing his ideology and his values above what was as clear on the ground.

It was a fact, the facts were clear. This school was great. and you made it worse. Exactly. So, you know what, for that reason alone, you got to go. You got to go. If you take a great school and you turn it into shite, that's on you. Goodbye.

So that's, we'll be following this story as it develops, as they put in some, an interim director. It'll be interesting to see what Minister Calandra directs going forward. Yeah, it was pretty simple. Focus on making sure that kids are educated. Yeah. There you go. Okay, we've got to, we've got to, I say it every day.

Cast our regard to British Columbia. Well, first Ontario, the small, because this first one, the smaller story is in Ontario, right? Yeah. Oh, well, yes. Yeah. But we've been talking a lot about, obviously, about crime, about, you know, bail reform, et cetera, et cetera. So there's two stories here which really caught my eye. The first one, we can talk about it in like 20 seconds.

Go ahead. Yeah, the Peel police say that three Caledon men have been charged in a tow truck-related shooting in Brampton on October 7th, where there was an altercation between two groups and ended. gunfire, and the primary suspect, 26-year-old manjot-bati, faces multiple firearm charges, including reckless discharge, yet was released on bail after the hearing, while the other two were released on undertakings. So, yeah, it's, you've come to, do you accept it? No, you expect it.

I like that. I like that a lot. Okay, but now we got to look to British Columbia, because everyone's got their own issues with crime. Every part of the country is different. British Columbia has like this extortion problem. Yes. But this story here, while you may have expected the last one,

this one here I put to you and I asked you. Yeah, listen to this. Okay, listen to this. Settling people. 14 foreign nationals, foreign nationals, not citizens. Identified in BC's extortion crackdown have halted their deportations. Guess what they did?

Guess what they did. Ding, ding, ding. Filing refugee. claims. A move lawyers say could delay their removal for years due to Canada's backlogged asylum system. CBS, CBSA cannot proceed until the Immigration to Refugee Board rules on that. So let's figure this out. Okay, so they are four nationals who decide to get together and extort other people that commit crimes in Canada. And so we were going to, we were going to kick them out. No, no, no, no, because now I'm filing a refugee claim. Here's my rule.

Here's my rule. If you're accused of a crime, it's too late to then turn back to clock and say, I want to file for refugee status. Nope, sorry. Because in the chicken or egg situation, criminal trumps refugee. And we've got over,

the numbers are important and then we'll got to go to break. But the numbers are important. There are between 2191, almost 292,000 and 296,000 asylum claims still pending. and it's douchebags like these guys who are gaming the system who are preventing very real claimants

from being able to have their cases heard these guys need to be kicked out immediately you're not refugees you're not your criminals we know that because we caught you right so bye bye see it when we see it but somebody's going to say oh no it's their charter right

Oh, is their charter rights? Yep, all right. Up next, our Canadian Charities unwittingly funding terrorist groups. Welcome back to the Ben Mulrudey show. And later in the show today, we will have Warren Kinsella on our. or this week in politics, end of week panel.

When he's not helping us out, he does some really great work for post media. And he in 2024, August 10th, 2024, published a story in the Toronto Sun that essentially laid out that there are a number of charities in Canada, they operate as charities in Canada, that may be, they're fully legal, but they may be doing.

doing some not so above board stuff in terms of raising money in Canada and perhaps sending it to places that it shouldn't be sending it on the other side of the world. And our good friends at the Lawfare Project have, I guess, read this and learned about this, and they have now taken it upon themselves to launch a new investigation to examine whether certain Canadian charities may be directing funds to extremist or terrorist linked to organizations overseas, potentially violating Canadian law and the strict limits governing charitable. status and foreign funding activity. So to break this all down for us, we're joined by Brooke Goldstein, founder and executive director of the Lawfare Project and the founder of the End Jew Hatred Movement. Brooke, welcome to the show. Ben, thank you for having me. Okay, so, so am I right? Like, what did you learn from this Warren, this work that Warren consulate did? No, you're absolutely right. Following the Toronto Sun article, we found out that there are charities registered in Canada that have been granted tax deductible status and

they're allowed to raise significant sums of money despite alleged, quote, links or possible links with entities that have long been associated with terror. And what we're saying is that Canadian taxpayers and donors deserve transparency and accountability. And there is donor responsibility here because we have been warning against the so-called soft support for extremist causes through charitable donations in Canada. This is a national

security threat and that is why we commenced this fact finding investigation because we are calling for a full audit of these organizations that were flagged by the Toronto Sun. But what do you think can happen here?

We were promised most transparent government in Canadian history under Justin Trudeau. It was the most opaque and it was they they was deliberately opaque and you know we were we were supposed to have a fulsome investigation into chinese interference into our elections and we got as one of my friends here at the radio station says we got kabuki theater I don't know if this is going to go anywhere because we also have a government this is the most pro-Palestinian government in the history of Canadian politics they were they've they they've they've never missed an opportunity, some of the members of this government have never missed an opportunity to disparage

Israel. They've never missed an opportunity to spread a lie about Israel. If there's a lie out there, there's a member of this government that has done something with it. And they were one of the first to recognize a Palestinian state. And so I don't know if this is going to go anywhere. Well, first of all, the most important thing is to shed light onto what's going on. We have to follow the money. There has been no deep dive investigation, certainly, as you said, not by the government, when there must be, you know, a prioritization, at least of tightening oversight. But that is why we have taken it upon ourselves to engage in this fact-finding mission

so that we follow the money. You see for your own eyes what is happening on our campuses. pro-terror radicalization on our streets. That is being funded by entities that are both connected, allegedly connected to terrorist groups associated with terrorist groups, operating in violation, not just of Canadian law, but against the very purposes for which our charitable foundation and structures are set up for. And so this is how our democratic systems are being taken advantage of, not just through the charity system and money raising, but through lawfare, the use of the legal system too to file frivolous lawsuits against terror terrorism experts and people who are calling

this out. We must shed light. The average Canadian needs to know what is happening within our borders. This is not an issue for Jews. This is not an issue about Israel. This is an issue about the infiltration and radicalization of our democracies. Well, okay, so walk me through it. You guys are going to do what you do. You have a lot of experience in doing this research and following the money. what happens so you have your you come to your conclusions and we don't want to prejudge the conclusions but let's just assume that all is not right right and that some of these some of these charities maybe one maybe all maybe somewhere in the middle have been doing some things that they shouldn't have been able to do what what can

what can you do with that information afterwards so it all depends on the information and basically I we will take every single legal step available to us to hold these charities accountable. If it is found that there are charities providing material support to designated terrorist groups, there are legal options to go after these charities. But first and foremost, and you said it yourself, the government needs to enforce the law. There must be public pressure and media pressure on the government, because after all, this is a CRA issue, right?

There are parliamentarians that need to enact laws that need to, you know, set up committees for oversight and what you do with grassroots mobilization with this information is the most important thing. And I think that once this information comes to light and you saw it from Warren's article in the Toronto Sun, it's not going to be something that we're going to be able to ignore as a society as a whole. Yeah, I've got to ask, if we find out that there's a charity, and let's take it out of this realm, I don't want to, like I said, I don't want to prejudge anyone. But let's say there's a charity out there. It's operating um of which like takes latin america let's we find out that that latin american charity

that operates in canada that raises money in canada we find out that it is sending money directly to help guerrilla warfare in venezuela well what can we find civil suits and there's criminal lawsuits again the government has to bring criminal charges when they find people are operating in violation of the law. If you can show that there's a direct correlation a cause between, let's say, a victim or somebody who has been harmed by terror, there are, you know, dozens of lawsuits out there by victims of terrorism and especially the families of October 7 and the hostages that are holding accountable the entities behind the charitable systems, the recruitment systems, the media systems, you know, terror does not act alone. It is a web. And so

that is why our material support for terrorism laws exist that we can hold people accountable based on the various civil claims and criminal claims that exist, but the government must enforce the law. Well, it's interesting. I mean, I've heard it before. I heard it during the war that every accusation is a confession, you know, the accusations that Israel is perpetrating a genocide and yet the only ones that have actively called for a genocide is one side.

But there have been calls. I know that there have been calls in Canada about, you know, certain Jewish charities being targeted by the Canadian Revenue Agency. And now it looks like, and then look, everyone should be audited. I mean, if they want to audit you, they should be able to audit you. Yeah, this is what you're saying. The CRA has a legal duty to engage in the equal enforcement of its charitable laws. There has been heightened scrutiny on Jewish charities.

They've taken away, I think, two or three charitable status. If they don't apply the law and scrutiny equally, not only are they completely discredited, but this could also give rise to legal actions as well. So you're absolutely right. But I want to mention it's not just this. We have a lawsuit right now, for example. We're representing Colin May, who is the former chief of the Alberta Human Rights Commission, who is subjected to a coordinated smear campaign by allegedly Muslim Brotherhood Front organizations

by groups like the National Council of Canadian Muslims. and also, by the way, by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the CBC that falsely branded him as Islamophobic for speaking out and calling on issues and bringing attention to this issue of radical Islam. It's a coordinated legal lawfare attack against our society to shut down our free speech, to use our charitable laws to raise money within this country,

to fund radicalization home and abroad, and this must be stopped. Brooke Goldstein, founder, executive director, the Lawfare Project. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.