The Ben Mulroney Show - The Bondi Beach attack reverberates across the world

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

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Thank you so much for joining us on this 15th of December, 2025. I wish that we were, I wish we had a lot of good news to start with. But you know what? We are going to start with a little bit of good news. And let's harken back to the World Series. Let's harken back to the World Series, or rather the illustrious run towards the World Series. And why don't you start us out with that intrepid producer Mike Droulet? Well, as you recall, we fell too out short of winning the World Series.

World Series, which is as close as you can get, as close as you can get without winning it, and it's still, uh, it's still smarts. But there was, there were some big moments. There were two, two big moments. There was the Addison Barger pin hit, pinch hit Grand Slam, home run. Against the Yankees. Uh, that sold at auction. Yep.

Yep. Yeah, for, uh, 279. No, no, 279, $29,900. No, no, no, no, $3,000, $27,900 U.S. That's what I just said. 38,000 Canadian. That's what I just said. I said U.S., and you're like, no, no, no, no, no.

I thought he said 28, or 20, anyway. No, I said 27,900 U.S., which translates to just over 38,000 Canadian. But then there's also the George Springer home run that won the game for the Jays, meaning they got to go to the World Series. And remember, that guy was offered. He was offered the moon. He was offered well in excess. I think he hinted that he was pushing 100 grand. And also golf memberships?

Yeah, all sorts of other stuff. And so he decided he was going to tempt fate and tempt it he did. And it sold for 22,000 U.S., about $26,800. But listen, it's money that he didn't earn. So it's free money. But you had a burden of hand, man. And you turned it down. Auction fees, though?

Auction fees, yeah. Yeah, he's losing 20% of that. Yeah, well, again. So he's walking away with 20K. 20K. And listen, these days, that's nothing to sneeze out. No, I'd be happy to do that. Anyway, look, you had a plan for us to have a fun Monday, but the world got in the way.

I found some fun stories to go through because Mondays seemed to be just, it seemed to be very serious because you have the whole weekend of craziness going on. But, you know, there were so many interesting stories like quirky little things out there, which are great to talk about, great for people to call in about, great to be able to learn about, to be able to use at the dinner table. Yeah. And it just everything went to nod. because of some terrible news around the world.

Yeah, well, we're going to start with news close to home. And for anybody who has watched a movie in the past, you know, generation, you've probably been touched by the work of Rob Reiner. Oh, yeah. And it started, our appreciation of Rob Reiner started as he embodied meathead on... All in the family? All in the family. That's right. Which is one of those iconic 70s shows that when every,

when there was only three networks in the U.S. And there weren't that many options. No, there weren't. So people watched it. And he did one of those rare things pivoting from character actor on television to world famous director of all sorts of different types of movies.

When you can be known for directing Academy Award-winning misery and a romantic comedy like when Harry met Sally, when you can do all of this, you've got range. He didn't have one hit or two hits. No, no. He was a hit machine. And one of them that I love so very much,

and I'm looking forward to the long-awaited sequel, is Spinal Tap. I mean, even today, the lines from that movie resonate. I mean, let's listen to one. If this doesn't mean something to you, you've got to go back and watch this movie. This is a top to what we use on stage, but it's very, very special,

because if you can see, the numbers all go to 11. Look, right across the board, 11, 11, 11, 11. And most of these, amps go up to 10. Exactly. Does that mean it's louder? Is that any louder? Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not 10.

You see, most bloke's going to be playing at 10. You're on 10 here all the way up, all the way up, all the way up. You're on 10 on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where? You can go to 11. And how many times has that been used by, in music stores? Well, I think he also directed First Wives Club.

I think I referenced this last week. still one of my favorites. I love that movie and he plays the plastic surgeon in the movie where Goldie Hawn is trying to go in and get some work done and he cautions her against it. He says, if I do anything more to your lips, your lips are going to look like

they got caught in a pool drain. And that one still, I don't know why that one really sits with me. Well, it sits with you because that's what's happened to Hollywood. Yeah. Yeah. But some sad news with Ron Reiner and his wife. Yeah, the reason we're talking about him is, well, it'd be one thing if he just died. Right? And he was in his 70s. And so

that would be part of the course, but to hear that it's, that they, that he, he was murdered. And he was murdered possibly by his son who was in the throes of mental health issues. He and his, he and his wife, Michelle. Michelle were killed in their home. Let's listen to L.A. police deputy chief, Alan Hamilton. Upon arrival, they determined that there were two deceased individuals inside of the residence. The Los Angeles Police Department is now conducting an investigation at this residence here on Chadbourne, and that investigation will continue over the coming days.

Yeah. So we'll get more information later today. This is about as big a shocker in Hollywood as you're going to get. He's one of the biggest names. Yeah. Absolute, massive, massive name in Hollywood. Yeah. Well, listen, today is it, today's about difficult truths.

Rob Reiner has passed away. Rob Reiner and his wife murdered in their home. We hope to get some more information as the day progresses. But we can't escape this. the Bondi Beach attack in Australia. This is when a number of Jews were on the beach celebrating what they called Hanukkah by the sea. The first day of Hanukkah, it's a public beach in Sydney, Australia. And authorities declared an act of anti-Semitic terrorism designed to target the Jewish community.

Two men showed up and just started shooting. Just started shooting. And it played out for a long time. And there will be some questions to be answered in terms of response time by the cops because what I witnessed was two men with a whole bunch of guns shooting into a crowd with impunity and I could hear the sirens in the distance. There is a police station two blocks away. Yeah.

And it took over 10 minutes for anything to happen. And of course, we know that one of the reasons that this ended was because a citizen took it upon himself to put himself. in harm's way and do what he had to do. But we'll get into that in a few minutes. But let's listen to how it played out. This is according to some Sydney witnesses. There was two shooters. One on the bridge, one under the bridge. Just start to shoot for 20 minutes. They shoot, shoot, change, change the magazine and just shoot. Simple as that. 20 minutes was four policemen there. Nobody gave fire back. Nothing like they are froze.

Yeah, so there will be some questions that need to be answered in terms of the response time and where were the cops. But at least 15 people were killed with victims ranging in the age of 10 to 87, including a Holocaust survivor and two rabbis. Over 40 people were injured, several critically. And the entire thing was caught on camera. You can see him very clearly, one of the shooters, just with his rifle, just shoot, and then he'd caught, shoot, cock, shoot. Yeah, you're telling me, based on what you know, it looked like. like that guy had received training. Oh, he knew how to shoot a gun.

The gunmen were identified as a father who was 50 and a son 24. Older man was fadily shot by police at the scene. His son was critically injured, taken into custody. And here's hoping they are able to put the screws to that guy and figure out, get some more answers. Now, of course, we have to come to Canada. We have to come to Toronto to see what sort of response we got. Look, I'm not going to read for you the predictable this. This is not who we are.

We are so shocked and dismayed. Hate has no place in Canada. Diversity is our strength. BS that we hear after all of these from certain types of politicians. It is, this is predictable. It is absolutely predictable. But we are going to read to you what the mayor of Toronto said. My heart is with the Jewish community in Australia here in Toronto and across the world

after the horrific terror attack at Bondi Beach. To Toronto's Jewish community. I know the fear you feel is real while celebrating your faith gathering with loved ones are simply being visible. You deserve to live freely, openly, and safely in our city. Okay. Explain to me why we still have the same protesters going into Jewish neighborhoods in this city, verbally attacking, making people feel unsafe in their homes where they live. You cannot say something like that, mayor, and do nothing on the other side of the equation. These are empty, hollow words that are, that are, we've caught past the point that this is insulting.

Do you not see that, Madam Mayor? Do you not understand that when you allow this anti-Semitism to fester and then after an anti-Semitic attack, you say stuff like this, it only makes people feel more insulted? Listen, we are going to have a lot to talk about in this, about this. Was this an isolated event? Sadly, no. The tremors from this attack are being felt in cities across the global. Don't go anywhere. This is the Ben Mulroney Show.

Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. Thank you so much for being here. We've got to talk about the Bondi Beach tragedy. And let's listen to a woman who was there. Let's listen to her perspective. This is an older woman who happened to be on. on the beach in the thick of the of the shooting and let's listen to her as she quite coolly describes what she encountered in the line of fire can you tell me what's on your hands

it's blood of my friends that i didn't have a new place where to wash earth you tried to help them it's impossible i was holding somebody's child because he was screaming i was saving this child My hands cover it in blood of my friends. Oh, I'm so sorry. The very killed, a few centimeters from me. God love her and everyone there. This is not just an isolated event. Listen, the lighting of the menorah is happening in Jewish communities around the world.

It happened on Bondi Beach, as it is happening everywhere where there is a Jewish community. So just because it happened there doesn't mean it cannot happen here. And a concert of MP Roman Babber was at the lighting of the menorah here in Toronto. And let's listen to his description of the event. You would think that this would happen in surrounded by peace and joy, not in Toronto. Right across the street, they're threatening me in real time. But I got used to them. I'm in a great mood because we just lit the menorah collectively.

and bet you that regardless of whatever it is you do, we're going to like William & O'all for another 2,000 years. There you go. Fuck some app, everybody. Thank you. You can hear the protests happening across street. And these aren't protests. These are, what are you protesting?

This is a religious event. If this were to happen at any other religious event, those people screaming would rightly be called bigots. Bigots. And they would be marginalized. And rightly so, they are bigots, full stop. And I want to go back to what our mayor said, to the Toronto Jewish community. I know the fear you feel is real while celebrating your faith gathered with loved ones or simply being visible.

You deserve to live freely, openly, and safely in our city. Madam Mayor, that's, that is, I don't know if it's deliberately obtuse. I don't know, I don't know how you square those two things. You have the power to do something about the bigots. You have the power to stop them from entering Jewish communities while all they are trying to do is celebrate their faith. You don't want to do it. And if you don't want to do it, fine. But you don't get to go on social media and deliberately mislead people that you care about them.

You don't care about them. You don't. Let's call things what they are If you want to proudly stand with those bigots Who want to scream and hurl epithets at the Jews You go right ahead But you don't get to turn around and say Oh, this is such a shame

You have the power to do something and you don't So stop this Stop calling something something that it's not You are not an ally of the Jews You are not an ally of these Torontoans Who just want to live in peace You're not you're doing nothing to help them

you're only making matters worse and it is insulting to suggest that you care about them one iota one iota sorry am i off base here no well it's the mayor is a very nice woman you meet her and she cares about them and she cares about them

and she cares about people she does have her actions helped the Jewish community no they have not and in that respect you could argue that she doesn't care. Look, she went to a Muslim coming together where she wrongly declared a genocide in Gaza.

With no proof, she called it a guy. When you allow for a blood libel like that, you allow, oh, that means every Jew is a baby killer. Every support of Israel is a baby killer. What do you do with baby killers? Well, some people feel that you've got to shoot them in the head. Some people feel, oh, I said, everybody, everybody celebrating Hanukkah is a baby killer. It's up to me, up to me to write that wrong.

Anyway, it's, it's, it is words like that, it is actions like that that that has led to what we've seen around the world. Right, because this is not, this is not isolated. There were pro-Palestinian protests taking place in central Amsterdam over the weekend, coinciding with Hanukkah events with demonstrators criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza, calling for a ceasefire. Police maintain a visible presence to prevent clashes. It wasn't a demonstration. No, it was a riot.

It was a riot. Chanting slogans like, blood is on your hands, child killers. There you go. The child killer slogan. The only child killers over the weekend are those two gunmen who killed two 10-year-olds. Smoke grenades were thrown. Police had to use batons to disperse the crowd. Then you go to Germany.

Authorities arrested five men in Bavaria on suspicion of planning an Islamist motivated vehicle attack on a Christmas market. The suspects included nationals from Morocco, Egypt, and Syria. What else with Paris? Oh, here, Paris has to cancel New Year's Eve. So there's a traditional Champs-Elysé New Year's Eve concert. Million people show up. They're now deciding they're not going to do that anymore. They're replacing it with a pre-recorded video,

though fireworks will still be displayed. Authority cited rising violence from migrant youth and the threat of terrorist attacks at public gatherings, including Christmas markets, six plots were foiled this year alone. I mean, this is the globalization of the intifada. That's what this is. And I said it before and I'll say it again.

Anybody who suggests to you that globalized the intifada is a benign phrase that simply means resistance has not studied their history because there have only been two intifadas in history. And both of them, both of them, were violent attack, on Jews in Israel, designed to kill as many of them as possible, using bombs and guns and murderous intent. So when you say globalize the Intifada and this happens,

you have to be a friggin idiot or you have to be deliberately misleading to think that this is not that. Let me remind you of last week in Ottawa at the House of Commons in one of the committees, I won't say who it was, but there was somebody who was testifying about DEI things and talking about Intifada's and completely played down the hole. And dismissively, what did this person say about Intifada?

I think they call it resistance, was it? Yeah. They said, no, Intifada, it just means to join the global resistance. That's all it means. No, it doesn't mean that. This is what it means. This is what it means. And we have been screaming.

as loud as we possibly can on this show about this very thing. When you allow things like that to be normalized and then this happens, there's a direct line between one and the other. When you constantly drum up this belief that if you are a Jew or a supporter of the Jews in any way, you are a supporter of baby killers. What do you do with baby killers? You bring them to justice. And some people feel justice can only be extracted through the long barrel of a gun.

And the only people who were killing babies on the weekend. Yes. We're in Australia. We're in Australia. And so look, this is, we're not even at the logical conclusion of where this is going to end up. This is the beginning of where it's going to go. And we have constant, we have this constant drum of progressive politicians just trying to poo-poo this and minimize it and misdirect and say, this is not who we are. You deserve to feel safe.

You know, it's all worthless words, worthless words. And showing up at a, at a menorah lighting doesn't make you part of the solution. It makes you performative. There are politicians at every level that have the power to do something about this that will not do it. We hear in Australia right now, they are talking about quickly beefing up their gun laws. This is not an issue with guns. You haven't had an issue with guns since the late 90s. you made illegal most guns. This is an issue with Islamic radicalization. Do the hard work,

not the easy performative stuff. Do the hard work of tackling that. Do that and we can talk. Until then, I want to George Costanza say, stuff your sorries in a sack, Mr. I have no time for it. Okay, so how are our leaders reacting? Shock, prayers. Are they hitting all the right social media check marks? You betcha. Are they doing anything about it? Absolutely not. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. All right, we can't ignore this anymore after the Bondi Beach massacre. It is not every Muslim. We have to say this.

It is not every Muslim. Those preaching against Islamophobia today are missing the truth. There is a problem within that culture. We need to acknowledge that. The shock is ludicrous. Why is anybody shocked that this happened? And the notion of beware of Islamophobia today is naive. It's put in the cart before the horse.

And speaking of which, here's an example that happened in real time. Australian Labour MP, Lola McAvoy, who's part of the government, try to calm people down before the entire before we had made sense of it. Let's listen to her talking about how diversity is Australia's strength. So the escalation of this narrative of who we're against and how much we want to divide each other and how much we want to attack each other, that is really at the core of a lot of the problems that we have in the country at the moment. And I firmly believe that people are good and that given the opportunity, they will look out for each other. And I just want to say that as much as possible, we should try and detoxify the way that we think of people who aren't like us, because our diversity in this country is our strength. With all due respect, that is woefully naive. It's woefully naive. Here's, I think, a better perspective.

This is outspoken Muslim social media commentator. Mariam al-Mazri. Let's us in her reaction. I am a Muslim. I'm an Arab. And today I stand with the Jewish community. in Australia. What happened was not a misunderstanding. It was anti-Semitism. It was terrorism. This kind of hate grows when extremists is allowed space and incitement is ignored. The ideology behind the attack is linked to a Muslim Brotherhood-led movement. The same ideology is driven the army committing crimes in Sudan. Different place but the same thinking. In the UAE, anti-Semitism is a crime.

Extremism is stopped early. This is how society stay safe. society stay safe. Standing with the Jewish community is not politics. It's humanity. Tell me where she's wrong. Tell me where she's wrong. I don't, I don't understand how that would be viewed as anything but dead on bullseye. And she said in the UAE, they snuff it out early. Yeah. If they see it happening, they do not allow it to fester. We have been allowing this to fester on our streets for years. And like I've said it before, in the early days after, After October 7th, I tried to call out what I saw was increasingly a march towards violence on the streets of Toronto, where we were allowing space for the festering and the taking root of radicalization by people saying the most outrageous, disgusting, false things about their Jewish brothers and sisters here in Toronto. And I almost got canceled because of that.

Well, they tried to cancel me. Fortunately, I don't believe you can do that anymore for speaking your perspective. but they were employing the tactics that worked five years ago. And here we are today. You are, this is what, this is, this is the, this is the, like the chickens are coming home to roost. That's what's happening here. And Douglas Murray, who was an incredible thinker on this, on these topics, a while ago, a while ago, he issued a warning to the West that something big was going to happen. I believe very strongly today that people in America, Europe, Britain, the rest of the West are going to have to get serious very fast because something is going to happen.

I don't know what, but something is going to happen in my lifetime that is going to bring the kind of reality that the people of Israel saw on the 7th to the people of America, to the people of Europe. up to the people of Britain. And we should prepare for that and we should prepare a generation for there. And we should encourage them. They've got to break out of the thing they're in, these ignoramuses,

the narcissists, the naval gazers. We've got to tell them that the age of grievance is over. The age of grievance will be over with an age of heroism and courage.

Yeah. And unfortunately, I think it's going to take that thing. It's going to take that thing for people to wake up and realize that they lost the plot a long time ago. I would love to live in a world where people wake up on their own and decide, yes, I'm not going to sit around complaining about this false paradigm that I've been living in with victim and oppressor everywhere I go. because someday it's either going to happen in Washington or New York or Toronto or Montreal or Vancouver or some other city something is going to happen something is going to happen it's going to be big and Bondi Beach and again

I don't think this is the something this is not the something no this is the preamble and people are going to say gosh if only we knew now only we knew then what we know now we know it but there are people who are choosing not to hear it Look, Mark Carney said a few months ago that Muslim values are Canadian values.

That is completely devoid of nuance. Most Muslims in Canada have found a way to live compatibly with and peacefully and in harmony in Canada. But to suggest writ large that Muslim values are Canadian values is nonsense. Try moving from Canada with your values. to Qatar, to Jordan, to Egypt. Try living as a homosexual in one of those places. Try living as a woman who's a lawyer in some of those places. Try wanting to drive a car as a woman in some of those places.

Those are Canadian values, which are incompatible with the values of those countries. It is foolish, it is naive, it is wrong to suggest that they are one and the same. There is an ability by people from all over the world, from all sorts of different cultures, to come to Canada and find a way to make their values compatible with the values here. But that is not what Mark Carney said. And then fast forward to Anita Anand, our Minister of Foreign Affairs, who said, was it yesterday or two days ago? Yes, two days ago. Celebrating Qatar's National Day in Ottawa and the growing partnership between Canada and Qatar grounded in friendship, cooperation, and

dot, dot, dot, shared values. What are the shared values? It doesn't make any sense. Here's the counterpoint offered by former conservative MP Lisa McLeod. She said, oh, MPP, I'm sorry, the gap between Canadian values and Qatar's legal system is profound and non-negotiable

when it comes to women's rights. The subjugation of women in Qatar is not incidental, it is structural, enforced by law and state power and is fundamentally inconsistent, with Canadian principles on gender equality. Look, can we just admit they've got money and we want it? That the relationship is transactional. That the relationship is nation to nation.

It's not values to values. They got something and we want it. We have something that they want. So we are going to engage practically with a situational ally that is based entirely on us helping them and them helping us financially. Can we just agree that that's it? Why does everything have to be about shared values? Because they're trying to find a comment.

They're trying to find this this kumbaya moment. No. It doesn't exist there. What it is, again, this is an echo of Justin Trudeau's false belief that we have no core identity. You can be from Qatar, come here and stuff your values into being Canadian because being Canadian means nothing. That's what this is. that only that statement by anita annon only works if you believe that what it means to be

canadian is worthless that's it because we know what katar means we absolutely you think they're going to change their perspective you think they're going to change their belief on what it means to be a woman and the value of a woman in society absolutely not so if anyone's going to blink it's going to be the country with no core values. And that's Canada. This is, you know, Lisa McLeod references the structural enforced by law and state power stuff. That's what's happening here. We are hollowing ourselves out, hollowing ourselves out in terms of what we stand for.

We have nothing that we stand for anymore as a government. It's up to the individual at this point to do so. Anyway, listen, we're, like I said, I wish this was the end of it. I wish we could turn the page and talk about something a little more fun. Unfortunately, there's nothing fun on this Monday morning. We've set the table, so now we want to hear from you. What is the way forward? Don't go anywhere.

This is the Ben Mulroney show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. Now we want to hear from you at 416-8-870-6400 or 1-3-8-225 talk. What does the courage to do something look like to you? What is the answer in the face of a rising tide of anti-Semitism look like to you? And Dave, I've got to tell you, I've been trying to open up my ability. For some reason, I cannot do the calls on my end today. But I apologize.

Who's this? Jack, how are you, sir? Welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you for calling him. Hi, there. How are you? I'm well, sir. Thank you.

Happy Monday. I apologize. Who is it? Hi. Jack, how are you, sir? Welcome to the Ben Mulrinicio. Thank you for Paul. Can you turn down your radio, sir?

You got to turn down your radio, sir. Or turn off your radio? I did. Okay, there we go. All right. So what do you have to say? Well, the unfortunate events that happened in Australia. It's very tragic, and by convulsions, it's both, all the families.

I've been in Canada for 36-plus years. I'm in my mid-40s. I grew up watching you, doing your entertainment, and doing this now, it is congratulatory that you have evolved. Thank you. And a better space. I come from Afghanistan. Yes.

Okay. So I've seen a lot of negatory and derogatory things that happen. First off, my first cousin, my mom's nephew, is married to Ashkenazi Jewish girl. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Jack, I've got a lot of kids. calls so please we got we got to get to the point as quick as you can my point is this was

totally unacceptable behavior and um we cannot blame uh the muslim community for the acts of certain people and yeah and jack i i listen i would never allow anyone to do that i am doing my and i hope i'm making it clear that is i i don't believe i've ever accused a group writ large of the actions of a single person or a single group. However, at some point, we do have to recognize that this is a problem that exists within the larger peaceful Muslim community. And the fact that this morning, or almost immediately after this attack, there were people saying, well, now we have to be on the defense against Islamophobia, when the bodies

hadn't yet been collected, to me speaks to people missing where the problem actually is. The problem is these are singular, singular people, and like you said, these are cells. They are singular people that act on their own aggression. They're not people that represent the majority of the Muslim community. No, no one is suggesting that you do. We're going to have to leave it there, Jack, but thank you very much for calling in. We're going to take Jonathan. Jonathan, welcome to the show.

Hi, Ben. I live near the Bathurst and Shepherd intersection. So for almost two years now, I've had to drive through what I would call a pro-Hamas rally every single Sunday morning. And, you know, there's just, there's a lack of leadership from all levels of government. I'm a conservative. I'm going to call out Doug Ford for a lack of leadership. I'm calling out Mark Carney, and I'm calling out Olivia Chow. All levels of governments have failed when there is the amount of hate that's been preached in our streets. drive through Bathurst and Shepard, and the amount of hate that is being screamed at the Jewish community, it's unbelievable. It's gotten so bad that my wife and I have had to have discussions about taking side streets around Bathurst and Shepard, so our kids do not hear what's being

screamed. It's absolutely terrible. And the protesters at that intersection, many of them are waving flags of the Islamic regime of Iran. It has nothing to do with Israel, Palestine. They're just anti-Semitic. It motivates people to show up with the Iranian, Islamic. regime flag a Bathurst and Shepard. Well, I would argue what would bring anybody to Bathurst and Shepard that has a problem with a, you know, a government policy from a government from the other side of the world. There is absolutely no justification for anybody to be protesting in a, in a Jewish neighborhood in Toronto.

There are many places where you can protest that make sense. That is designed exclusively to intimidate. That is designed exclusively to make people feel unsafe where they live. live, and nobody's going to convince me otherwise. Yeah, I agree with you. They could be protesting in front of the consulate in Queens Park, but they come to Gathers and Shepard. They're not at Leslie and Shepard or Don Mills and Shepard.

They come to where the Jewish community is because they want to intimidate people. And so when I hear the mayor say every Jew deserves to feel safe, I'm sorry, I call BS. You don't believe that, Madam Mayor. Don't say it if you're not going to do everything in your power to ensure that that becomes reality. Jonathan, thank you very much for the call. Peter, welcome to the show.

What say you this morning? Hi, good morning. Yeah, I just want to say that I feel that Canada's leaders are implicitly encouraging the scourge of anti-Semitism in Toronto and in Canada. Prime Minister Mark Carney has barely said a peep about it. Obviously, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau after October 7th was even worse. Doug Ford a little better. He speaks out a little, but not nearly enough.

And Olivia Chow, as I think everyone knows, and you've documented, it is just just off the charts. In her case, it may not just be negligence. It might even be worse than that. And I think that all these leaders have made a political calculation that there is more votes in the Arab and Muslim communities in Canada and in Toronto and Ontario than there is Jewish votes. Oh, yes. No, I was roundly attacked for making a suggestion that some of our politicians who actually said as much were making political calculations. Shame on me for suggesting that what our politicians actually said was true. Thank you for the call.

Let's go to Jenny. Jenny, welcome to the show. Good morning, sir. Good morning. I believe, let's cut through all the noise. I think we need a national definition throughout the country to figure out what is the definition of liberal and conservative. Never mind the wishy-wash definition. What does the actual mean to be conservative?

or what does it mean to be liberal? Why do you feel that? And why do you feel we don't, I mean, you can't, you don't think you can define it by, you know, well, if you're a supporter of a liberal party, that makes you a liberal? No. Okay. No. No.

No, no. Because I believe even the conservatives are liberal light in this country. So are you a fiscal conservative? Sure. But to what end? What is the definition of conservative? To what end? I'm a conservative.

No, sure. But why do you think we need these things? Well, because the House of Commons is just political theater. They're just wasting time just to get their paycheck. So pick us, let's truly define what it means to be conservative and pick what side you want to be on. All right. I like that, sir.

Thank you very much. Verinder, welcome. Hi, Ben. I don't keep it once a month, but I had to say for the situation. Thank you. I really do that. I lost a 30-year friendship for my support for Israel. I will go to war for Israel.

And I just want to say something Gaza is a war zone The disgusting reality of war is innocent people die Civilians die Nazi Germany had a higher civilian count than Britain did Does not make him of the good guy Yeah Sydney is not a war zone

Toronto is not a war zone It's a place that people to come and practice their faith peacefully without any sense of harassment or violence No exactly This is something needs to be done Yeah and thank you I listen I thought that that would be clear in the days After October 7th

And it seems like the insanity has taken root and one must think yeah yes please you cannot do Hamas did and see you on the good side i just can't i agree i agree thank you my friend take care uh steve welcome to the show hey ben how you doing today i'm good thank you good good you know i i have i think there's two sides to this i i think that as a canadian who you know i think i'm pretty accepting of of cultures that um you know there's never there's never whenever something like this happens there's never one leader from whatever group that stands up and says, we don't condone this. And I'm not talking about Canadians.

I'm talking about people that, you know, maybe have come here from other countries that have come here to contribute. I don't think it's right to pay in everybody with the same brush, but at the same time, I think there might, you know, require a little bit more accountability from the collective of people. The other side of it is, unfortunately, I feel Canadians have been conditioned over time to, you know, call it the silent majority. to keep your mouth shut

even if you don't like something and even if you don't agree with it. Otherwise, I think it's safe to say you get a label put on you. Oh, gosh. There's an opinion made of you. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

And you're right. You're right. Listen, we're going to have to leave it there. Steve. Thank you for the call. There are streaming services, and then there's Stack TV. What you want, when you want it. Action, comedy, drama, reality, all when you want it.

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