The Ben Mulroney Show - The Canada First Rally -- honest talk about immigration Canada. Can you handle it?

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

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Really glad to start the week with you. I hope everybody had a great weekend. I want to start with just a little public service announcement and a Mayaculpa because I've taught, whenever time we talk about traffic in this city, I get on, maybe not a high horse, but I'm certainly, I puff up my chest and I tell you that when I get in a car, you know, I start from a position of I know more about what's going on the road than anybody else, and that's how I keep myself safe, and that's how I keep myself from killing anybody.

I was driving home from Muscoca yesterday. I was up for a corporate retreat for a company I do some work with. and I did not move over there. There were cops had stopped somebody for speeding. And I did not fully move over. I didn't move over to the next lane to give them room. And I got stopped by the cops. And I absolutely apologized.

I had no idea why I thought I was stopped for going 110, which I thought was crazy. And then he told me that, you know, I did not move over to keep the police officer safe. And I admitted, I was like, I knew, I do that all the time. I thought it was a courtesy. I did not know it was a rule of the road. And he said, no, it absolutely is.

And here's why. And I just said, look, if there's a ticket to be had, give me a ticket. And he went back and he did whatever they do in the car. I don't know he did. He gave me a formal warning. And he also told me, he said, had I given you a ticket, it would be over 450 bucks and three demerit points, which just floored me. And then I told him, I said, listen, you know, and I told them after the fact, I didn't, I don't say, do you know who I am or any of that nonsense. And I said, look, I do a radio show, and I'm going to go on the radio,

and I'm going to tell people that I made a mistake. And hopefully, if someone doesn't know, then hopefully I can help. So if you ever see our brave men and women, you know, who are patrolling streets, keeping us safe, move over and give them space, not because it's nice, but because it's the law. And then I asked if I could shake his hand and thank him for his service. And I said, had you give me a ticket, I still would have shaken your hand. Although I really would not have been happy about that ticket.

All right. We got lots of news. Every Monday we come in. You think the weekend is supposed to be for family and fun and recharging. And then we come in every Friday and we are shot out of a canon with so much news to get to. Some of it good, some of it bad, some of it. You know, it is what it is and you take it for what it is. And we're going to start with the surprising news, for me at least, that the Ontario liberal leader Bonnie Cromby has chosen to resign her position after what many believe was a disappointing showing in the last election, but still a lot of gains for the party, which were beneficial. However, in a leadership review, in a vote on her leadership, she received 57% of the vote. And as far as she was concerned, that was not enough of a mandate from

sort of the foot soldiers of that party for her to continue on as leader. So she announced, her resignation, her plan to resign. And the reason I think it's important is because the Ontario conservative, the national conservative party, the federal liberals under Pierre Palli, he's facing a similar paradigm in that he, although he wasn't, he was expected to win. The expectation was actually higher on him. And so he'll be facing a leadership review as well. It's expected that he will win, but by what margin, right?

Like what sort of mandate is he going to be given by the membership of the Conservative Party that he'll be able to say, I've got the numbers, I've got the support, and it's full steam ahead. So that is something we absolutely have to pay attention to. I want to spend a couple of minutes on the fact that the Toronto International Film Festival is over. And the winner of the People's Choice Award was the Road Between Us. And the road between us was the controversial movie. The movie made controversial. It's not necessarily controversial in and of itself.

It was a story of a former IDF soldier who was retracing his steps on that fateful day in October 7th when he learned that his family was in danger by the border when Hamas was perpetrating their one-day genocide on the Jewish people. And so he was retracing his steps going to go save his family. You'll remember that movie was given an invitation which was then rescinded the controversy and the pressure mounted on TIF, and we find ourselves today where we are. And so a lot of people are asking, how is this possible that they won? And I've got a theory on this that I want to share, and it'll be sort of a launching pad for a larger conversation later.

A couple of things could be true here, and a combination of those things could be true. One, what Stephen Harper told me last week could be true, that the vast majority of Canadians are silently in support and allies of the Jewish people and indeed Israel and our relationship with Israel. The other thing that could be true is the protesters that take up the public space and make up so much noise. They are made up of students, academics, and professional protesters. Therefore, they can't buy tickets and they can't vote. I think it's a combination of the two. And I think, or it could be a third thing. Barry Averich, the director and producer of the movie, said it's not a political movie. And if you see it, you'll realize

that it's a story of a father's love for his kids. I thought that was, I don't know if that's true. I haven't seen the film. It could be a combination of those three things. But it will give Tiff pause in the future before they think of thinking politics first. They should think engaging in conversation, engage and making people think is what a film festival should be doing. And I'm glad that they aired on the right side, allowed that film to be shown. And I'm glad that the conversation around it is going to continue with them winning the People's Choice Award.

All right. After the break, excuse me, after the break, we're going to be talking with the guy who, the organizer of the Toronto's Canada first protest that was labeled by the counter protesters as racist, as Nazi, as fascist. And, you know, so they showed up at Christy Pitts Park to, to protest. against what they think is mass immigration run amok that has led to so many negative social outcomes. They showed up with Canadian flags. What I saw from Karim Assad's protest watch Twitter feed was a very peaceful demonstration by that side and very angry and occasionally violent outbursts by counter protesters. And there were clashes. Ten people were arrested. including at least one for assault. And, you know, it's being labeled as an anti-immigration rally.

I want to find out from the organizer. Is it an anti-immigration rally? Or is it a rally against the type of immigration that they feel has been harmful? Because those two things are not the same. For far too long, I have seen liberals and the left more generally taking issue with people on the right when they criticize policy. I saw it when the conservatives voted against the liberal's child care policy. Oh, they don't want women in the workforce. No, they don't like how you're addressing the issue of getting women into the workforce.

Those two things are not the same. And to suggest that is either bad faith or you're too dumb to know the difference. In either case, I don't know that you should be engaging in conversation. If you cannot appreciate that someone can have an issue with policy, but you can both agree that a problem needs to be addressed, then you're not having a productive conversation. And I really think that that is an important nuance that for far too long has been overlooked.

I think people on the left have been given a pass every time somebody takes an issue with a policy. The conservatives had a problem with the liberals' housing policy. Oh, they don't want to build houses. No, they don't think your policy will build houses. Oh, we think that your policy on immigration was wrong. Oh, you hate immigrants. It goes back to what I said years ago that there was a self-importance by the Liberal Party where they believe that their values were true Canadian

values. And if you did not hold the Liberal Party's values to be true, you were less Canadian than they were. We've heard it many times before. And now we're seeing it exposed in the public square where actual citizens are not seeing the humanity in each other because a simple disagreement on policy means that they are they are not speaking in the same language. So that is an important, so that's the basis of how I want to move forward because it's a theory I've been working on for a very long time. I'm witnessing it. I'm witnessing the negative outcrop of that theory in real time.

So I think my theory is actually kind of true. But we'll test it. We'll test it, as we said, in the public square because I'm not afraid of it. Coming up, the man who organized it, is he a Nazi? Is he a white supremacist? We're going to ask him next. on The Ben Mulroney Show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show.

All right, over the weekend, a group of people under the banner of Canada first showed up at Christy Pits Park and they wanted to express their problem with what they think has been unchecked immigration in Canada. They were met with a commensurate reaction. on the other side with groups denouncing them as racist and xenophobic and fascist. So we're joined now by the organizer of the initial, the initial protest or the initial get together. We'll figure out what we call it later. Joe Anajar, Joe, welcome to the show. Ben, great to be on your show.

I appreciate you having me on. Absolutely. Well, okay, let's level set here because I'm noticing Joe Anajar. That's not Joe Smith. That's not Joe Brown. I got to ask you, where's your family from? Well, my father's from Morocco, and my mother's from Canada,

my grandfather, great-grandfather from Scotland. When did your mother's family come over from Morocco? Well, my father, no, my father's Morocco. Oh, sorry, when did your father's family come over from Morocco? I think sometime, like around the 60s. Okay, so yeah, so my mother's family came over from Yugoslavia at the same time. I'm deeply connected to that part of our history, all right? So I got to, we're going to do a lightning round here, Joe, because we've got lots to get to.

Well, first, no, first, let's level set with what you heard while you were waving the Canadian flag. Well, I mean, no. Yeah, Joe, I just want to hold on. Joe, just hold on. I want to play this. I want to play this for you. Nazi scum off our streets. Nazis scum off our streets.

streets. Nazis gone along our streets. All right, Joe, are you a Nazi? I'm definitely not a Nazi. Are you a fascist? I'm not a fascist. Are you a white supremacist? Definitely not.

All right, let's talk, let's get a little more granular. Do you want to take all the immigrants in Canada, round them up, and ship them back to where they came from? No. Okay. What is in your heart? What, why did you say? set up this protest or, I mean, was it a, in your mind, was it a protest or was an expression

of popular will? What was your plan with this rally? Okay, so let me get right down to it. So the Canada first movement for this one in particular was number one to let it be okay to discuss this topic in this country. It's a very controversial topic. And what I was trying to do is empower people to be able to have these open discussions, be able to talk about the, you know, the strains that the mass immigration to our country has caused. And, you know, at the end of the day, you know, have some civil discord so we can come to, you know, solutions in this country. And it's about putting Canadians needs first.

Our country's needs first. And but that, but I want to be clear for our listeners. When you say Canadians' needs, who are you talking about? I'm talking about people who, like, let's say even immigrants who come here, who have made this their home, who have assimilated, adapted, embrace the culture, are proud Canadians who raised their families here and absolutely, you know, they're patriotic for this country. Does that include, in your mind, does that include people who recent immigrants to Canada? Like, I want to know, like, in your mind, is there a cutoff date?

Are you saying anybody who came here, you know, anybody who came here prior to 2015, let's just take the election of Justin Trudeau as an arbitrary number. Anybody who came here, but are you, do you have a, do you have a problem with anyone who's come here since 2015? Well, I believe that's when the problem started. And if you look at, you know, there's a chart of people who have come to this country over that spanned in time, predominantly from, you know, one or two places, you know, So I'm not trying to interrupt.

I really just want to drill down. I want to make sure that our listeners are clear. are you are you saying that everyone who came since 2015 is a problem or are you saying that they're there okay so what do you say i'm going to make it clear the people that i'm focused on that i think have caused an issue in this country are the people who do not assimilate who don't adapt to our culture who don't learn the language yeah who push their own cultures that they flee from on our streets okay so people who change death to Canada, burn our flags.

They really don't even appreciate what they have when they get here. All right. All right. Well, okay, now that we've made that clear, let's talk about the event itself. So you spoke to your, you sent information out to the people who were joining you about, you knew that there was going to get pushed back. What did you tell the people on your side of this debate by how they should be behaving in the public square?

So as I said to you earlier, I made a few stipulations that, number one, one, we would carry only Canadian flags. We would come to the protests without wearing any masks or face coverings. Patriots show their faces and they stand behind what they believe in. We would carry ourselves with the utmost class respect for the people around us. We weren't there to cause anybody harm or any hate, you know, push hate on anybody. We were there to send our message and deliver our message. Because to be honest with you, this is the first time,

a rally like this has ever really happened in this country. Yeah. I've got to ask that. So Charlie Angus of the NDP made a point last week of saying that, you know, you chose Christy Pitts for a particular reason because in the 1930s, there was a Nazi group that chose that park to have essentially a race riot. Tell me why you pick Christy Pitts and tell me why, because at this point, I mean, my opinion is Charlie Angus is full of

BS. Well, I'll agree on that sentiment, but forgive me for not being a history buff, but I honestly had no idea about the riots in 1933. I genuinely. Yeah, no, of course. Why?

You're not expected to. I don't do that. He had to go way back to make that connection, which is either, it's either bad faith or it's evil that he did that. But the reason was very, very clear and very easy to understand. I pick Christy Pitts because, number one, it's a beautiful park. With the push that I was having on social media and, you know, the radio and

things that were kind of, you know, getting this movement off the ground, I expected, you know, more people to be honest with you. Yep. And, you know, as you know, Christy Pitts is a beautiful park with a lot of space. It's accessible for everyone to get there. They wouldn't really have to worry about parking. Chrissy's stations right across the street. Yeah. And, you know, I just thought it was because Nathan Phillips Square was packed. Yeah.

And they had some permit there. And, you know, Queens Park, you know, I'm trying to like revive Toronto in a sense of bringing that patriotism we've had before, you know, during the COVID times. Well, look, let me tell you. I'm trying to revive that. I've said on this show that I think what we are lacking is those people who quietly sit back and just live their lives and pay their taxes and try to be good citizens who don't have a lot of time for a lot of things. I said, it is incumbent upon those people that when they

have an issue like this need to mobilize. They need to do something. They have to express their discontent with the responsibility that their rights come with and protest as part of it. I don't see enough, I don't see a lot of protest from one side of the equation. I see a heck of a lot of it from the other side. So I commend you for it. And, and, but were you taken aback by the level of anger and, and willingness to get into a state of violence that you saw from the counter protesters? Well, I expect that's how they act. I mean, I'm not new to this. They've been at other protests I've held.

But you know what I'll say, Ben, is, you know, if people are going to say, oh, I failed, all this was, you know, a fail. rally. This was this and that. At the end of the day, you know why it's a W? Because we exposed the left for who they really are. We open eyes across this country. If you've seen social media, it's flooded. Yeah. If they want, we, I don't know that we would be talking about it as much as we are had they not shown up and expose themselves as they did. Listen, we got to take a quick break. Can you stick around after the break with me? I'd love to talk to you for a few more Sure, not a problem. All right, so don't go anywhere.

When we come back, we're going to continue our conversation with Joanne Jarre, Canada First Rally Organizer. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Let's be honest. We've all shared our problems in some pretty funny places, the group chat, your barber, maybe even a stranger on a plane. And, hey, sometimes that helps. But when it comes to stuff like stress, anxiety, or relationships, it makes a big difference

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but made even bigger and turned into national news because of, I think, the anti-protesters coming out and causing a stir. We just got a quick call from someone who couldn't stick around, and they asked a question, Joe. They said, how is this hate speech? How is that when you hear what the other side is saying on a different topic of the pro-Palestin thing? And I don't know what your perspective is on that, but I find it very rich, Joe, that people who have never been to that area of the world don't know an Israeli, have never seen Israel firsthand, are so confident at throwing around issues, calling them Nazis, calling them genociders, calling them colonialists, and supporters of apartheid. but someone who lives in Canada who has seen firsthand the impact of what we think is a broken immigration system, you don't have the right or the lived experience to have an opinion on that. And if you ever voice it, you're called a Nazi as well.

Yeah, and it's definitely not hate speech. And I'm going to kind of paint a picture for you guys here. When you guys see the Palestinian Hamas supporters flood our streets across, this country, have you ever seen a group of Canadians with Canadian flags protesting against them? No. No. You have not. Okay. Well, it's it's the double edged sword of the liberal democracy, my friend. It is it is one of the things that makes this place so special is being used against us to undermine us, which is our willingness to allow open debate and criticism of the system in a way that you don't see in Russia or Iran or in, you know, in a Hamas held Gaza.

Like, sorry, you don't, you can't do those things there. And so the very nature of this place that makes us so special is used to weaken us. And I don't know what we do about that. Well, tell me a protest that you've seen over the last six months that has gotten the pushback that mine has from the Toronto tree. No. Yeah. And keep in mind, I just want to make this point.

Yeah. I took a stop mass immigration rally in the belly of the beast of woke central, heavy on immigrants, and it was pretty much the lion's den. Can I ask, can I ask what, I mean, I saw a few videos of people who did not look like what, what they want to paint this as, like, you know, I saw, I, I saw a few faces that were not white, not to put too fond a point on it, on, on the pro Canada side. What was the makeup? up. It was, we had people, like even when I held, held speeches at, uh, at Dundas Square, um, I had a kid named Ajax, who's an action, an immigrant. I didn't catch where he was from, but he did a speech about how immigration has, you know, put a strain on our country and it's affecting a lot of different things. Yeah. You know, when it comes to housing, health care, crime,

the list goes on, right? Yeah. Let me ask you a question. I, just couple more questions and I want to open up the phone lines, Joe, but now that it's over, yeah, small number, but I think really bigger impact than you probably thought you'd get. What kind of reaction have you been getting people reaching out to you? I'm sure you're getting good and bad. Well, yeah, you get the good with the bad, right? And, you know, right now for me, the good is outweighing the bad and it's kind of firing me up. You know, the amount of support people have, you know, reaching out, sending me messages. I'm glad you're safe. You know, great work. You You know, all this stuff, you know, it means the world to me because I'm just a family guy.

I'm not paid by anybody. I don't have organizations backing me up, unlike the left who has full-blown organizations who pay protesters like we saw on Saturday to show up. I don't get that guy. No, no. I don't have rich people backing me up or politicians. I'm a one-man show with the power of patriots behind me and beside me. Well, listen, I want to, yeah, I want to thank you.

I'm going to let you go, Joe. I want to thank you for joining us. I want to thank you for the candid conversation. And I am glad to have seen that, from what I witnessed, I didn't see any violence from your side. So whatever marching orders you gave to your side, it paid off and I wish you the best. Yeah, we kept it Canadian.

Thank you, back to having me on and enjoy yours. Thank you. All right, let's take the first call from Cameron. Cameron, welcome to the show. You know, I have two points, Ryan. One is, as an Iranian, super-proud Canadian, we smell fascists, Nazis, and Islamists from miles out. We see it from miles out. We are in a community that recognizes that.

And absolutely, this progressive left or this woke ideologues, they are the scariest bunch. that we are so worried about them because we have seen these types. They are ideologues. They think that they're basically they're getting the moral superiority. Same thing as the Islamists

who said, oh, we have our God's work. So Cameron, let me ask you a question. You weren't in attendance. Here's the thing, my number two point. I can tell you of hundreds of thousands of Iranian immigrants who are in the city, I would tell you, 80% would have

attended this if they were not worried about it yeah we just in a police state now i mean it's so worries and we are in the state that we have to hide identity yeah we cannot express ourselves look at how you're talking about it you have to tip it oh i don't tiptoe oh i'm not tiptoeing i'm calling what it is but here's a here's the thing what if this guy wanted to go out and say Canada for uh europeans only right yeah yeah yeah what if he wanted to he should be able to no he's no you're absolutely right you have hey i want to thank you cameron for the call first call of the week i hope you have a great one all right we're going to go to uh oh ben welcome to the ben mulrooney show thanks for being here

hey good morning and uh happy beginning to the week yes indeed i just wanted to point out and by the way i support everything that your guest was doing and i wish i could have attended it um the the the my parents actually when they came to this country they didn't move in too far from christy pitt and nor did my my neighbors as well all like grew up around christy pitt so it's definitely not representative of some uh some riot in the 30s yeah but um i um i I just want to say across the dial and other media, this was labeled as anti-immigrant. They kept repeating anti-immigrants and they're framing it as some kind of extremist movement, just like they do in Europe.

They label it and attack it and they frame the narrative. Yeah. But that was literally, quote-unquote, the words used. Well, and Ben, thank you for highlighting that. I don't know who those, what those other, you know, where you heard that or read that. but I would urge the people listening to this show. Pay very close attention to the media that you consume. Pay very close attention to how they describe things.

And then ask yourself, do some research on your own. Find out if how it is labeled by the media is actually what these people stand for. And then ask yourself why the disconnect. All right, thank you so much for the call. We're going to go to Bill. Bill, welcome to the show. Thank you. So I'm a neutral.

Yeah. I ended up in Christy Pits just by chance walking my dog. Then I got curious and walked over. And what I noticed from the so-called left was, when you think of the left, you think of liberal party. Yep. But that's not what I saw. What I saw was they had tents set up and they were selling communist propaganda books. Yep.

They had a number of those books for sale. and then signs posted to trees that said fair wages for all, which I thought was a bit of an oxymoron, when one of the biggest issues is you can't find a job right now for many. And they were extremely... So what's the conclusion you came to? The conclusion was that they don't want to listen on the left. They don't want to talk.

If you don't believe in their way, it's hate speech, you're a Nazi, You're a fascist. Yeah. And I was quite shocked to see how aggressive they were in trying to start fights. Well, listen, I commend you for going down there with an open mind and trying to make up your own mind. You know, and whatever conclusion you came to, I have to assume you came to in good faith because that's, I mean, you did the most, you did that, I mean, you took the most direct line to the truth as you see it. So I commend you. I thank you for calling in with your assessment.

We got time for one more. David. Welcome to the show. Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my call. Yeah. I wasn't at the rally, but when I saw it on the news, I felt a sense of relief, and I was really happy for it. I just wanted to share that I'm 100% supportive of them. My father came to the country in 72, and I came in 75 when I was only five years old,

and we would never, ever dare to hate on this country, burn the fly, they call a death to Canada. You know, and this kind of rally, they're good, and I think more of them should. happen. I support them 100%. Yeah. Well, and you know what, but somebody made a point right before, and this will be the last point I make. Thank you, David. Someone made a point just a little bit earlier. If this guy, if Joe wanted to say Canada for Europeans, that should be his right. We could then criticize what he's saying, but that should be his right. And he wasn't even doing that. All right, coming up, what a TDSB teacher thought was suitable for a grade five class to watch, you're not going to believe it. Next.

Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. All right, let's do a quick survey of the TDSB. And late Friday, the TDSB, which as you know, Toronto District School Board, is now under the supervision of the Ontario Education Ministry by way of a newly appointed supervisor, Rohit Gupta. Overturned trustees' recommendation to rename three schools linked to Sir Johnny McDonald, Edgerton Ryerson, and Dundas, which is so refreshing because I'm so sick and tired of this nonsense. They also raised class sizes for some special needs students. You'll remember that Gupta was appointed June 27th after the province took over five school boards citing financial mismanagement

with Education Minister Paul Calandra hinting at removing trustees entirely. Look, this is, again, this rewriting of history, this reinterpretation of history is nonsense. and the school board should be focused on on educating our kids. On top of that, okay, so let's talk about educating our kids because there was a TDSB teacher who was suspended for showing the Charlie Kirk assassination video to grade 5 and 6 students. That's 11 and 12 years old. That's 10 and 11.

That's 10 and 11 years old. I saw that video by accident and I was upset that I did. I did not want to see it. I did not need to see it. And I'm a 49 year old man. This is an overstepping by somebody who doesn't know her. I don't know if it's a her or a him role or they. A teacher at Corvette Junior Public School showed the video.

The context is the teacher who is not a homeroom teacher played the video. after students asked about Kirk's death. Your instinct as a teacher in that moment should not be, well, let me show you this video. These kids are 10 and 11. Now, fortunately, the principal called it the act extremely troubling. The teacher had been removed from duties pending an investigation.

I'm not ascribing malice to this teacher, by the way. I just think they did the wrong thing. It was a terrible thing that they did. I think you can learn from it and never do it again. But come on, man. That is not your place. No, everyone always says stick to your lane, that's not your lane.

But the Charlie Kirk conversation goes on. I want to point out, right? There were a lot of quote unquote journalists, and I am using those quotes for a very specific reason, who were in their sage wisdom with their opinion, with their unbiased, unbiased judicious use of language and knowledge of history who posited after. Charlie Kirk's assassination that the far extreme right that he was part of were going

who were just itching for more violence were going to use his his death as cover to incite violence across the country do remember that people that you listen to you pay attention to you the trust they told you that you were told that it was imminent that there was going to be blood spilled on the streets by the right you remember that? Yeah. Well, we all knew that apparently in 2016. That's what the fear was, that the extreme right was going to take over violence

everywhere. But we were told this was imminent after Charlie Kirk died. There were people who were looking at and saying, oh, it's happening. We're worried that the right is going to use this for violence. What I have seen... How many riots have you seen? None. I haven't seen a single riot. I saw one guy get his ass beaten during

the night of when he went by on a scooter and people were holding a vigil and he said something awful. some guys got emotional and beat him to a, not to a pulp, beat him enough for the cops to look him to say, time and place, man. Yeah, well, you have to expect that. Yeah. I mean, that's... Yeah. And

we've got, so who else is spouting crap? Oh, Bob Villain, remember the, the, uh, the, yeah, I don't know, it's a bad. No, no, Bob Villain, the band from Glastonbury, that, uh, that called for death, death to the IDF. Remember that one? Uh, well, here's, here's what he had to say, here's what they had to say about Charlie Kirk. I want to pedicate this next one

to an actually piece of a human being The pronouns was were Yeah, so if you You tell you, you will get banned Rest in peace, Charlie, take a piece of shit Yeah, so a couple of

of things to Bob Villain. You know your music is shite. When nobody talks about your music, they just talk about the stuff you say between the music. You're like, you are not making an impact with your music, dude. And you should know that. Secondly, there is a video circulating on social media of the lead singer of Bob Villain who, after saying that on stage, looks dead into a camera and gaslights the world saying, I didn't celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk. Never did. Never happened. swear to God, go find it yourselves. He looks into a camera and says what you just heard never happened.

This is, it's, I, I promise you. I am not, I'm even downplaying the way you said it because he goes on for about 30 seconds. So do with that as you will. But it's gaslighting to the nth degree. And lastly, I think I want to say, I want to talk about, again, with Charlie Kirk. I want to talk about something I've said many times on this show about. how activists make the worst politicians and people who start out of activists and pivot towards politics they're not helping anybody let's listen to a little bit of haley baitman to Niagara regional

counselor and she's been fired but listen to what she said about her reaction to how people she follows on social media we're talking about charlie kirk so i came home when on social media following some friends and i like i'm so triggered by somebody's post about charlie kirk and how much he's going to be missed and um how sore they are you know about what happened and they praying for his friends and family and all this and i cannot believe what i'm reading because um you know this is what he wanted he wanted this he worked his 31 years to get to this place Yeah, okay, so look, I mean, never mind how gross that is. If you are a politician, your job is to hear the concerns of everyone you represent.

And she goes on in that clip. It's a longer clip. But she does go on and say that she is going to be cutting off people, even friends, who don't agree with her, don't have the same political views as her. If you can't, if you can't sit. with somebody else's feelings and somebody else's thoughts and somebody else's values, you have no business being a politician because you're demonstrating that you lack empathy. And is it sociopaths that lack empathy?

Yeah. Right. I'm not saying she's a sociopath, but sociopath lack empathy and you're demonstrating a lack of empathy because you cannot live in a world where somebody has a different opinion on something than you. You have no business being a politician. I've called him out by name on this show, Councillor Chris Moyes, who had an issue calling one of his own constituents

in his own ward a racist because he disagreed with his take. And he literally said, I don't know this man and I don't want to know this man. Chris Moyes, it's literally your job to know this man because he is a resident in your ward. He has the right to say he doesn't want to know you. You do not have the right to say that.

It's in your job description, dude. But when you are an activist and of an activist mind, you are, by definition, exclusive. You are not inclusive. You do not care what other people think. It's your priorities above all else. You cannot reverse engineer an activist into an effective politician. It's like trying to turn a knife into a shield.

Do you feel like you're banging your head against the wall sometimes? Oh, yeah. Because what you said, some people might think that what you said is unreasonable, yet how's that possible listening to other people? Tell me how I'm wrong and like this is on the right and the left

it just so happens that the examples I see time and time again are from the left the left is far far more intolerant in my experience than the people I know

on the right now there are crazies on both sides the differences and I heard this from Elica Laban is the permission system that we have given to people on the left to have temper tantrum

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