The Ben Mulroney Show - The CBC just can't help themselves from showing their bias. The latest is shameful

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Guests and Topics: -The CBC just can't help themselves from showing their bias. The latest is shameful -Adam Zivo: Vancouver car ramming suspect should have never been free in the first place with Guest: Adam Zivo, National Post columnist and Executive Director for the Centre For Responsible Drug Policy If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Ben Mulroney Show, subscribe to the podcast! https://globalnews.ca/national/program/the-ben-mulroney-show Follow Ben on Twitter/X at https://x.com/BenMulroney Enjoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Conditions apply to all benefits. Visit pcfinancial.ca for details. Welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you for spending a little bit of your Monday with us on Election Day here in Canada after a 35-day election campaign. It looks like the camps have been set. It's the Tories versus the liberals. And who wins

it depends on who shows up to vote. That's my contention. The liberals were up in most of the polls by about 3%. Some people say that the Tory vote is less efficient than the liberal vote. I don't know if that's true in this campaign because of the collapse of the NDP and the NDP are particularly strong in urban centers, right? So the liberals and the so are the liberals so liberals are picking up their votes Which means they're gonna win Riding's by and large are gonna win a lot of writings that they were going to win anyway, but they're going to win them by instead of 500 votes, 1500 votes instead of 2000 votes, 4000 votes. And so you could argue that the liberal vote has become less efficient than the Tory vote. And that 3% difference could be all the difference.

So we'll have to see. I gotta say, this is my first election that I'm covering as part of, you know, more traditional news. And certainly the first one where I'm an opinion guy. I've always been an opinion guy, but now I get paid to give you my opinion. And I gotta say, I did not see this election campaign playing out the way it did. Broad strokes, seriously, the broad strokes of Donald Trump being this existential threat to Canada. You'll remember that Mark Carney created a narrative that he wanted, he wants to own us. He wants to take our lumber and our water

and he wants to take our land. All of that because he calls us the 51st state. The only reason he calls us the 51st state. The only reason he calls us the 51st state is because Justin Trudeau put that idea in his head at Mar-a-Lago. That's where it came from. It's not some long-held belief. It's the musing of somebody who never thinks of Canada. And if he does, he doesn't think long and hard. He certainly doesn't think about it enough to want to read a book or learn our history. That's not the issue.

The issue that we're dealing with with Donald Trump is the issue everybody's dealing with. Tariffs. The 51st state thing. I mean, can I use the expression false flag? I think I can. It's because it's BS. It's nonsense. It's fiction.

It's vapor. It doesn't matter. And so that's where my head scratching comes in. The fact that the liberals have been so good at crafting a narrative, not rooted in reality, mind you, doesn't matter. The medium is the message and perception is reality. They've created a narrative that enough people have jumped on that Donald Trump is the end all be all of everything that plagues us.

Enough people have bought into that, that they are within striking distance of forming a government, possibly a majority. I didn't see that coming. I genuinely did not see that coming. I knew the polls would tighten. I knew that Pierre Poliev walking away with a 20-point victory, that wasn't going to happen. I did not think that this many people who were upset with affordability and upset with the housing crisis and upset with the opioid epidemic and upset up with our crumbling infrastructure, crumbling hospitals, crumbling military, our dwindling position in the world.

None of that has changed. None of that has changed at all. In fact, you could argue it's gotten worse. But for some reason, Donald Trump is such an existential threat that none of that matters to them. I did not see that coming. I did not see that coming.

Now, I wanna play see that coming. I did not see that coming. Now, I want to play something for you. There was a person I admire quite a bit who years ago said, warned Canadian voters about the promises made by liberals. And why you... Well, you know what? Let's just listen to the first part and then we'll talk about it on the other side. Who really believe that if the Liberal government is returned, there is going to be any real change in the attitudes of those who have been stalking power here in Ottawa for 20 or 25 years?

Remember that the Liberals made four promises, four solemn undertakings to Canadians in 1980. They came before you and they said four things and then put them in the throne speech. First, 18 cents a gallon is too much and it went up to over $1.50. Secondly, we're going to reduce unemployment. When they made that promise, there were 800,000 Canadians unemployed. There are now a million five. Then they said we're going to reduce the growth in government expenditures. It's gone up from 60 billion to a hundred billion.

And then they said, we give you a formal undertaking that we are going to reduce the deficit in an orderly manner. The deficit's gone from 10 billion to $36 billion a year. Could you imagine having a deficit like that? Be like Christmas. That's 41 years ago. That's my father, the right honorable Brian Mulroney. Love you, dad. And what he said then applies today because look, there is a reason the Liberal Party

is the most successful political party in Western democratic history because they are single-minded in their pursuit of government. They will do and say anything. They will cast aside beliefs that are definitional to them. They will cast aside the carbon tax. They will cast aside the capital gains inclusion rate. Whatever, it doesn't matter how important it was when they brought it forth. Doesn't matter that they attacked people when others said it wasn't a good idea. It's not going to help us get elected. We don't need it anymore. They will do and say anything to get elected. It's how they have been as successful as they are.

And so what my dad brought up 41 years ago, that was an example from back then. It's the exact same forces at play today. Let's listen to the final part of this gem. It took Canada 100 years from 1867 to 1967 to accumulate a net debt of 18 billion dollars and from 1968 with mr. Turner there and his colleagues from 1968 to today 15 years our net debt has gone from 18 billion to 180 billion dollars

That's not the fault of the Americans as mr. Turner suggests. That's not the fault of our friends and allies. That's the fault of the people who have been running this country. Ah, come on, man. Like, that's not— None of the problems that we have in this country are Donald Trump's fault. None of them. None of them. And if you're going to go and vote at the ballot box, at least be honest with yourself.

Just be honest with yourself. Do you remember how upset you were six months ago? Two years ago? Five years ago? Do you remember the issues that you felt were important to you? And you said, I cannot wait to get to the ballot box so I can hold this government to account. It's the same government. It's the same candidates. It's the same caucus members. It's the same

cabinet. The only difference is the guy at the top who was advising the other guy at the top for five years. It's important to remember this as you go to the ballot box. Now, now that I've said that, I do want to be very clear. I am so excited to go cast my vote later today. I hope you do as well. If you have the time, if you don't have the time, make the time. This is one of the great privileges of living in a country like Canada where you can

exercise your democratic right to vote and I don't care who you vote for. You know who I'm voting for. I've done my best to convince you to go my way. That might have worked, might not have. I don't care who you vote for. Just get out there and vote. This is what makes Canada great. Our ability to go to the polls, peaceful transition of power from one government to another. And that's what makes this place special. Hi, I'm Donna Friesen from Global National. Life moves fast these days, and we want to make it even easier for you to get the news you need. That's why you can now get Global National every day as a podcast. The biggest stories of the day with

analysis from award-winning global news journalists. New episodes drop every day so take this as your personal invitation to join us on the Global National podcast. You can find it on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music and wherever you find your favorite podcasts. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. And if there was going to be one story that would dislodge the federal election from the top of our minds and certainly in our hearts, it's the story of the tragedy that unfolded on the streets of Vancouver on Saturday night when a man turned his car into a weapon and plowed down 11 people killing 11 with over a dozen more in hospital with critical

injuries at a Filipino street fair. And I've been very careful all day on the show not to not to make assumptions that there's certain things I don't know, but there are things that we've heard from the police that can, from which we can infer certain things. When the police chief said that this person was known to police and mental health professionals, from that I understood that he has had many interactions with them, both on the probably on the criminal side and on the mental health and mental crisis side. And what to do with that? I don't know.

Is there a watch list he can be put on? I don't know. So let's ask somebody who knows a lot more about this than I, Adam Zivow, national post columnist and executive director for the Center for Responsible Drug Policy. Adam, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

So you wrote a piece that said Vancouver car ramming suspects should never have been free in the first place. Okay, I'm glad you wrote this, but to our listeners, because I'm trying to get them not to jump to conclusions, where should he have been? So he should have been involuntarily institutionalized because he was suffering from severe mental health issues that seem to be connected to the breakdown

of his family. So what I want to stress is that this is not the kind of crazy person that we often talk about where they have a long history of crime. Provincial databases suggest that he had no criminal record whatsoever. However, the police have confirmed

that they had dozens of interactions with them and that most recent interaction was actually just the day before the car attack. And in fact, one of his family members called the psychiatric ward of a hospital just hours before the attack Trying to get him institutionalized because they were so concerned about his deteriorating mental health Yeah, this is you know, I we've been having a conversation on the campaign trail about the danger on our streets and

Public safety and not feeling safe in places we used to feel safe. This at first blush felt like something that you could deposit right into that conversation. This is a slightly different conversation than that though. It is, right? So this is not someone who appears to be a habitual violent offender. And obviously when I heard about the attack, like any regular

person, I was outraged and filled with anger towards this individual. But the more I began to read into his history, the more I felt a sense of, I don't know, pity for him and for everyone involved. So the suspect, you know, his brother was murdered in January of 2024. And so he put together a GoFundMe trying to raise money for the funeral costs. And he got about, you know, more than $9,000 in donations. And he basically said that, you know, he felt burdened with remorse for not spending more time

with his brother. And that the death left his mother in an indescribable sorrow, but that she was financially strained after taking out significant loans to try to build him a modest tiny home, but that there had been problems with builders. So then fast forward to August, his mother attempts suicide and was hospitalized for a month. So he wrote that she, he tried to do another GoFundMe. He wrote that she tried to take her own life because of the grief of

her son, over her son, and that she had been unemployed forMe, he wrote that she tried to take her own life because of the grief of her son over her son and that she'd been unemployed for quite some time and that she was struggling immensely with her finances and on the verge of losing her home, right? And so he believed that if she didn't, if she wasn't able to pay her bills, that she would probably try to commit suicide again and lose her home. And he lived with her, so he would have lost it too. And that GoFundMe only got about one hundred seventy five donations. So here you have someone who was already mentally ill, who is in a position where he's about to lose his housing, where his brother died. His mom is about to commit suicide.

And he was obviously very vulnerable. And the system failed him. He should have been put into a hospital, but he wasn't. And so he acted more radically until he killed all of those people. So you say that involuntary psychiatric treatment is not it. It should be the default setting in a situation like this, but it's not. It's not. And there's a long history behind this. So, I mean, back in the early part of the 20th century

We had these insane asylums that we used to warehouse immensely ill and that has its pros and cons The cons is that these institutions were often? Really cruel to their patients. They were inhumane. And so as a result starting in the 1960s You had a process known as deinstitutionalization Where these asylums were shut down and that really picked up speed of the 1980s, you had a process known as deinstitutionalization, where these asylums were shut down. And that really picked up speed in the 1980s and 1990s. Now, the belief was that if you move these people into regular communities and provided them with outpatient support, that they would be able to thrive. And there was good evidence behind that.

But the problem, though, is that in Canada, we never actually properly funded those additional supports. So we essentially just discharged mentally ill people onto the streets and left them alone without proper care and without proper housing. And so as a result of this, we now have a status quo, where forced institutionalization is used very sparingly. There isn't much capacity for it, and it's frowned upon as being a violation of someone's human rights. And so in that scenario, people like the suspect do not get, do not experience interventions until it's too late.

They're only institutionalized after a crisis. It feels to me, Adam, like you come on the show quite a bit, and whether it be issues of the opioid crisis and the rights of drug addicts or the rights of criminals or now the rights of someone who is severely mentally ill, we are always, we keep butting up against the charter. And in my life, I've never had this many conversations about the charter and it and how I feel like it's not being applied. Right? If that makes sense.

I think that makes sense. I think obviously we want to care about individual human rights. But I think that that framework breaks down when you're not considering how these rights sometimes conflict with the rights of other individuals. And so when we have courts acting as if the rights of drug users of the severely mentally ill are completely sacrosanct, I think that that's a narrow analysis and it leads to really unfortunate situations like this. And I think that given that the Supreme Court has given some really strange rulings over the past few years or decades, that using the notwithstanding

clause to bring things back to a more happy, centrist position would be a good alternative. I mean, you know, we're looking at a judicial system that says that it's cruel and unusual punishment to sentence multiple like mass murderers to life, right? So the charter is important, but I don't think that it's working as well as it could be right now. Is it a question of it being interpreted wrong? Or how many because it's not a question of interpreting the charter. It's a question of applying it. You know what? I wish I could answer that, but I'm not. I'm not going to say fair enough. OK, so if could could a moment like this be what we need in this country to revisit where we stand on this notion of involuntary psychiatric treatment?

I think so. And where I think that this incident is particularly useful is that it expands the conversation beyond just crime, right? Because we so often talk about involuntary treatments in the context of people who are severely mentally ill and repeat offenders. But we have to realize that these aren't the only people who are being left behind. There are people who are severely mentally ill and haven't committed a crime yet. People like this suspect and they deserve proactive involuntary treatments as much as someone who is constantly assaulting people, especially if they become more dangerous in the long term and then eventually do something horrible like this. Adam Ziva, thank you so much for highlighting this. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. language CBC. Mark Carney has said if he is elected, not only will he keep the CBC, but he's going to top up their funding to the tune of 150 million dollars a year. That's

on top of the 1.4 million, 1.4 billion, I'm sorry, that they get from taxpayers. So it's sort of in the CBC's best interest to make sure that one guy wins over another. And I don't think I'm being cynical when I say we could we literally witness that play out on TV. So I want to play a little bit and by the way before I say this let me be very clear I have a lot of time for Rosemary Barton. She is a kind and wonderful person. I've spent a lot of time with her. She's very sweet, very smart, smart as a whip, and were the CBC to disappear into the ether, she would be snatched up right quick. Her voice

would not be extinguished because she's got a great one and there is real value there. That being said, we gotta play this. So when Mark Carney unveiled his platform, a lot of people thought, hmm, kind of sounds a lot like a Justin Trudeau platform. And Catherine Levesque, a reporter, Catherine Levesque was on with Rosie Barton. And she explains that in fact, it was written for Justin Trudeau.

Liberal platform, frankly, that's something, I will say that has been ready for several weeks now. Mona Forte was the one who was working on this and it was ready before Mark Carney even became liberal leaders. Okay, so here's a reporter telling Rosemary Barton, reporting to Rosemary Barton about the genesis of this platform

and how it predates Mark Carney as the liberal leader. And now fast forward to a couple of days ago, maybe yesterday, where Rosemary Barton and Jason Kenney had this exchange. The rabbit that the liberal campaign's been trying to pull out of the hat is exactly that. To say to at least a portion of the pro-change voters, this is change.

I don't think that's very credible. same team the platform was a Trudeau platform It's the way that's not true. It was a Carney platform. It was not written for for Justin Trudeau Listen up. Well, this is a matter of the Zed an objective CBC fact-check statement I think it's subjectively what I will say is Objectively it is it is accurate to say that it reads to me like a Trudeau platform. I think subjectively what I will say is... You can say it's subjectively, but objectively it is accurate to say that... It reads to me like a Trudeau platform. Well, that's fine. It can read that way. I don't know. I guess it reads to the CBC differently, but it reads to me like a Trudeau

platform, which is interventionist, more spending, implicitly higher taxes, not addressing the fundamental issues around productivity or competitiveness, the flight of capital, the flight of investment, the decline of per capita GDP. These are the underlying issues in affordability. And I'm just saying, I think there is a tension in what's left of a swing electorate around that. That's fine. But what my point was, because there was a conservative talking point emerging that

this platform had been written for Justin Trudeau. That is not true. It reached me like it was. You can read it that way, but it was not written for Mr. Trudeau. Okay, so unless, unless something happened between the reporter reporting that it was written for Justin Trudeau and her then saying it's a conservative talking point, unless there's something that happened in between, and I don't think there was, that makes no sense to me. To me that is the the the CBC protecting itself and and trying to get a guy elected who is going to

make sure that that that the CBC is fully funded plus a top-up of 150 million dollars a year. And this is why the CBC has lost so much credibility. I want you to give us a call. Give us a call and let us know what you think and let us know how you feel and maybe tell us if you voted yet. I'd love to love to know if you voted. But I don't... when I hear... oh, that's a that's a conservative talking point. your reporter told you that it predates Mark Carney. So unless your reporter has retracted that reporting, and I don't think they have, then the reporting stands.

And if the reporting stands, then everything that Rosie said needs some explaining. It needs some context, and that's me putting it kindly, because it's hard for me to listen to that and then say, okay, I'm going to trust what comes out of the CBC on election day and in the weeks and months after the vote. Because that's pretty stark. That's pretty stark.

Hey, Jeff, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Ben, how are you? I'm very well, thank you. Good. Like I said to your screener, it's a cover for sure. The thing I have is nobody you know, nobody really watches the CBC anymore anyway, so I'm not sure what their viewership is, but I know it's rather

dim as it is with a lot of the MSM. So it is but but a lot of us consume it through social media and on, you know, like YouTube shorts, and that sort of thing. And so from that perspective, a lot of us still see the stuff, we interact with it. Well, that's true enough. But I think at the end of the day, of course they're gonna show for the liberals because you don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?

So they're gonna do that. And geez, speak of the devil, here comes my MP Rob Oliphant walking down the street in front of me. I didn't vote for Ben. I voted for the conservatives, so anyway. But anyhow, I would agree that I don't listen to them anymore and I just find much better objective news in a lot of other places than the CBC. So I've got no issue defunding them frankly and they can sink or swim well Thank you very much for the call, and I'm glad you voted

And here's hoping everybody who listens to the Ben Mulroney show Exercises their democratic right as well Richard welcome to the show How you doing? I'm well. Thank you. It's Richard from Brampton. My point is that if It is the exact same platform, it's carbon copy, because the same advisor, Gerald Butts, is running his campaign. Not only is he running his campaign, but the Stephen Jabeau is another advisor for him,

another high-end environmental advisor. I mean, it's the same band, just a different singer. So if you think, honestly, that this is going to be different, I mean, I hope you get some treatment for touching that hot stove, you know, because it's going to keep getting bad. Hey, thanks so much for the... Did you vote? I've already voted. Yeah, absolutely. Well done. And we've all voted and up here, Polly, vote, vote, vote, please. Thank you so much, my friend. Hey, Tom, welcome to the show. Vote, vote, vote, please. Thank you so much, my friend.

Hey, Tom, welcome to the show. Tom, you there? Yeah, I'm here. Can you not hear me? Yes, I can. Okay, thank you. One, I'm sick of CBC, especially, I hate to say it, but a couple others making the news versus strictly reporting the news.

I am so upset about that. Second point, I used to work for a CBC affiliate. What drives me nuts is we are bankrolling them so much. I don't know if you have a producer, you're the talent, if you have a producer and an assistant producer. No, no, we've got a technical producer, we've got my show producer, and we got me. That's it. The irony is on CBC weekend shows

I kid you not when they're on the for the baby a four-hour spin You have got an assistant producer a producer and the talent. Oh, yeah Why the hell do they need so much money and so many employees? When you guys do a fantastic show with the restraint budget you have. Well, we are we are restrained by the budgets. If I may be so bold, we could use a few more hands on deck here. Just saying.

But yes, doing more with less is the way it's the Canadian way unless you work at the CBC, in which case there's no such thing as less, because you have more. Thank you so much for the call. And I think we've got time for one more call. And let's welcome Lori to the show. Hi there. Thanks for taking my call. I want to defund the CBC. I think Rosie Barton, as Carney said, perfectly should look within herself.

And they all should. Perfect, he said it for us. They have way too much clout when they have taken all the voices away from people. They're not listening and they're protecting their jobs. Time to say goodbye. Let's get the independent media. They are telling the truth and that's what we need right now. We need a strong Canada and Pierre Poliev is going to deliver that for us. I'm going to open champagne tonight to celebrate. Laurie, thank you so much. All the best. Thank you.

Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you so much for joining us. So we want to look at what happened in Vancouver from a lot of different angles today. And one of them has to be through the political lens because an election campaign is sort of wrapping up today with an election today. We're all voting. And the Conservatives were criticized because they reposted, they reposted something, Mackenzie Gray of Global News highlighted the fact that the Conservative Party of Canada's Instagram account reposted a video with this caption, quote,

violent crime is on the rise in Canada. What happened in Vancouver last night is a reminder of that. Police said the suspect was known to them. How are we allowing these people to roam freely? And there were a lot of people who pushed back on the conservatives saying, I don't know, too soon or shame on you or this is a bridge too far. I don't know that during an election campaign

that that's off limits. I don't know that. And I personally find that we are looking for answers to some problems that are plaguing us, one of them being the issue of crime and the safety on our streets. This is an example of a crime and safety on our streets. I don't understand how you can't have a political conversation about it. So I want to hear from you, give us a call and let me know is holding up a mirror to what happened in Vancouver below the belt?

I don't think it is. I think everybody's gotta check themselves just a little bit. And if I can hypothesize for just a moment, if this had been somebody with a gun, the liberals would have been all over it in a heartbeat. And not only would they have been saying that they are going to get rid of the guns, but they would have turned the politics up to 11 and falsely claimed that Pierre Poliev wants

to bring American-style gun laws to Canada. So the fact that it was a car and not a gun makes all the difference to the liberals in a situation like this. That's all I'm saying. And by the way, you know I'm right. There are a lot of you going, no, Ben, you know I'm right. If that person had had a gun, the liberals would have been all over it trying to get votes.

And I don't even know that what the Tories did was a deliberate attempt to get votes. I think it was to try to remind people just generally, our streets are not as safe as they used to be. And we need a plan to make them safer. And not for nothing. But if you want to go down the list of how many police associations across the country are supporting Pierre Poliev and his vision for cleaning up the streets and making them safer. I mean it's pretty impressive. Omar, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. You know, our politics and just about every facet of our lives have become about

emotion, how we feel about things, how I feel about this. This is a symptom, this is the problem. You know, it doesn't matter if it's being discussed now or it's too soon. This is all emotional talk. It's because of this emotional thinking that these people are roaming the streets to begin with. So it's all part and parcel the same wave of thought. Like Omar, listen, I think two things can be true at once. One, I don't know enough to make a determination as to why that guy was out on the street, what his motivation was, how much of what he did

was criminal versus a mental health crisis. I don't know any of that stuff. But this was a crime that happened on a Canadian street and made people feel less safe. So by the way, it's very political for the liberals to say it's too soon to talk about because they do not own the crime and public safety argument. So they don't want you talking about it. So they're going to tell you, you shouldn't be politicizing this because they lose that

political argument. But Omar, thank you very much for your call. And, and who do we have now? We got Bill, welcome to the show. Morning, Ben. Yeah. My two cents on this is that I think it was a, how do I phrase it, a cheap political posturing by the conservatives if this was a retweet. I think most Canadians know that our crime is out of control. Something will be done about it, but to use this tragic event should have been more of a public declaration by the political party of empathy towards the victims rather than

a posturing of what they intend to do from their political platforms. And Bill, if this had not been during an election campaign, I would have completely agreed with you. But you cannot separate the politics from anything today. Today is all, it's entirely political. Every aspect of our lives is up for grabs. How we live our lives and our relationship to the government is going to completely change depending on

whether we vote blue or red. And one of the biggest conversations we've been having not just for the past 35 days but for the past few years is what has happened to our streets they what has happened to the quality of life the quality of our community the safety that we feel and this is one of the most egregious losses of life that we've ever seen in Canada. It is absolutely incumbent upon us to look at it through a political lens to decide, all right, who do we wanna vote for?

I don't think that, I can't separate it, maybe you can. I think I agree in part with you, Ben, but I don't, there's a time and a place for that. And I think the time with you, Ben, but I don't there's a time and a place for that. And I think the time and the place is, it's been spent on the platform of the Canadian election parties. At this point in time, it's about the families that have been affected by this tragedy. And if you position yourself and use this as a blow horn to continue to emphasize what

you already stated in your campaign. I think it to me, it shows a disrespect for the tragedy that has befallen these poor families. You can pick it up again after you win the election or not win the election. It's not going away. But in this moment in time, I think was to capture sympathy and then three for the victims others great tragedy and now posting yourself for more political gain bill i appreciate your your perspective on that thanks so much for calling it and let's welcome uh... show but as a show welcome this uh... demolition

hi i'd i'm working with the justice system and I've been with the criminal justice system for over 10 years, I would say. These are the things I found out, that people when they have started to develop some symptoms of psychosis, for example, and they're also aggressive because they're afraid, they don't receive the help.

Then they end up in the criminal justice system, they don't get any help from there and they go back. What happens is when they become extremely dangerous because of the mental illness, there are two things can happen. Either put them in a mental health unit in a forensic institution or put them in a forensic unit in a mental health facility. Yeah. That is the way. Either you keep them in a mental health facility which has a forensic unit in a mental health facility. That is the way. Either you keep them in a mental health facility which has a forensic unit, you give them proper treatment, keep them until they are safe for the public or there are mental health units within the forensics that they receive proper... I worked with theS Regional Treatment Center, and there are units where people with

severe mental illness receive excellent help there. We need more institutions, mental health, as well as forensics. What's appropriate help to them. Thank you very much for your call. Like I said, we don't know enough about this particular case. We may find out that this guy just fell through the cracks. I have no idea time Time and an investigation will tell. Let's welcome Rob to the Ben Mulroney show. Hey, Ben. How's it going? It's going well. Thank you. What a crappy subject to have to discuss today. I know.

I know. But you had a caller on a couple of goals that was going on about it was opportunistic of the conservatives to be sending that tweet out. I mean, what do you think the liberals have been doing since the shooting at a call polytechnique or the one on Danforth? I mean, every time someone gets hit with a bullet, oh my God, we got to ban firearms. Nothing about this though, right? Like there is an epidemic when it comes to mental health and addiction. Every person that we've seen commit these crimes has had both, either a with their head, or they've been addicted to some sort of substance.

And what do we do? We open up safe consumption sites and provide them alcohol or drugs or whatever it is that they're using. Like what's next? Where does it end? Hopefully it ends today at the ballot box, my friend. Thanks so much for the call. We got time for a real quick one from Robert. Welcome to the show. Hey, Ben, how are you? Great, great, thanks. I don't think it's wrong to them to do that at all. They're just highlighting the fact

that this is another guy who's known to police. I was at the Oakville rally yesterday and they started off the event by having a moment of silence for the people in Vancouver. Yeah, it's a, it's a, I love there are a number of people on social media saying that Kare Poliev didn't reference it at all. I think a moment of silence is a, is a very powerful sign of respect. But yeah, we'll have to see how things shake out of the ballot box today.

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