The Ben Mulroney Show - True Crime in real time -- a tragic story that needs to be heard

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

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We appreciate your ears. We appreciate your commitment to our show. We're on every day. And so many of you tune in, listen, follow us on social media, on YouTube, and it's appreciated. There's a story that we covered yesterday in our Toronto-centric hour. But we wanted to bring it back today for our national audience for a number of reasons. One, there's new information about a harrowing. story for so many people, a tragedy that unfolded, and the negative connotations of what this

has meant and can mean moving forward. So a few days ago, if you were in the GTA, you got an Amber Alert on your phone. An Amber Alert typically wants to raise awareness with as many people as possible about a missing or kidnapped kid, right? That was the purpose. It's called Amber Alert because it was based on a girl named Amber who went missing. And it's used for a number of other things today. But before it happened, we just, everyone thought it was for a kid.

And then it was rescinded. And then we found out that there was so much more to this story, that there was a shooting of a woman who sadly passed away. and then everybody was told in a particular area of Toronto to shelter in place because there was a manhunt going on for the guy who shot the woman and we were still learning

trying to understand what was going on. It was down off of just north of Lake Erie area where they did that shelter in place and they ended up finding him and it took the manhunt went on for a while. Yeah, and they found him and he was being driven in a car by another woman.

he then shot, did he shoot at police? The SIU is involved, which means you're not going to know anything. We're not going to know anything for a while. And the SIU, the special investigations unit of the police is called in when there's a discharge, for a lot of reasons, but one of them is discharge of a firearm by a police officer, right? And not necessarily discharged by anybody else.

And this led to this guy dying. And now we're finding out more about his back. And it, there are a lot of questions and a lot, and we don't have any answers yet, but we've, well, some of them that we get to. Yeah, some that we'll get to because of our, um, great reporting by Catherine MacDonald of Global News. Uh, but the, the suspect, the guy, his name was 38 year old Anthony DeSheper. And he murdered Savannah Cula. She's a mother of four, was a mother of four. Um, who had one child, one child with DeShepard. And she was fatally shot in a Brampton Plaza, parking lot. Now, apparently what we've learned is she was giving him the opportunity to see his daughter and things went sideways. Yes, but what we didn't know until now is what happened in the lead-up because we do know, we have known that in 2023, he was charged with, in an intimate partner violence case involving this same woman where he fired a gun right near her. Fired a gun right near her. So this is a guy

who is so cavalier, was cavalier with people's safety. He was violent towards women. And so he was out on bail. He was out on bail three weeks after that. And by the way, this is not one of the classic Ben Mulroney ranting about bail issues. But this is an example of

that. So he was released on bail just three weeks after his arrest. The firearm was never recovered. And then what started was a like a campaign of harassment. and intimidation of this young woman who sadly was killed just a few days ago. Let's now go to Catherine McDonald of Global News because she spoke with the victim's mother.

Kula's mother says her daughter broke up with her ex, Anthony DeSheper, about four months ago. She tried to send it with him, and he wasn't having that. The two would talk a lot. They spoke quite often. I mean, he drove her crazy, actually, on the phone. She changed her number, and they got it again. He just literally, I'd say 50, 60, 70 times a day he was bugging her phone in her. And sometimes she would talk to him, but she was like, stay away from me, leave me alone.

And then last month, Kula's mother says her daughter told her this. She did say to me about a month ago, if I stayed with him, he's going to end up killing me. It's heartbreaking. By the way, it's been said many times before. The most unnatural thing in the world is for a parent to outlive their child. And now, yeah. Yeah. And so here's the question.

that I have when I hear that is this guy was accused of and was supposed to stand trial for intimate partner violence, correct? Firearm charge. A firearm charge. But intimate partner violence was part of it. So what were the conditions of this guy's bail? Because if that's part of the crime, and even if it's, even if he wasn't charged with it, you would think that part and parcel of his bail conditions would be you can have no contact

with this woman. You can have no contact with the woman that you have been accused of being violent towards and shooting a gun in her vicinity. So the fact that he was harassing her and calling her and texting her and making her feel unsafe is perplexing. And I really think we need to know more about that. Let's listen to Kat, Some more of Catherine McDonald this time on Alex Pearson show, one of the hosts here in Toronto. He was in the security business, i.e. surveillance cameras and she had surveillance cameras at her home. I said, did he put them in? Yes. He also, in a surreptitiously was tracking his ex. I mean, like this guy, this guy was an evil mastermind. And so when she told her mom, if I stay with this guy, he's going to kill me.

and we learned this about him. I mean, that was a, it was a certainty. And if we can, and look, it's easy to Monday morning quarterback, but this is stuff that should have been painfully evident to people who make their careers out of investigating these things, prosecuting bad dudes. Like, I don't know how this, how he was able to ever be in the vicinity of her so that he could have the opportunity to kill her. And I think this is what should be investigated at this point.

We need to find out if complaints had been made, whether or not she'd complain to the police and said this is still happening, whether or not she'd gone back to the courts, whether or not they were checking up on him. Yeah, yeah. Because clearly he was ignoring probably any, for sure, he was not allowed to have any contact with her. Yeah. That's pretty much a certainty. Yeah. And yet, he was ignoring that. Yeah. And so like I said, today is not a day to rail against government or to complain about bail conditions. There's more investigating that needs to happen. There are more answers that we need. But this is very concerning. And it highlights, again, the crisis of intimate partner violence, IPV. We've talked about it on this show before. We've heard from survivors. There is, there's an epidemic of it. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that there are provinces across.

this country that have declared an emergency over this sort of thing. And so, you know... This isn't a partisan issue. It should not be. Every single person living in this country deserves to feel safe, as safe as possible at all times. And it feels, feels right now like this poor woman, we failed her. We failed her.

Canada saw 1,125 gender-related homicides. of women and girls in a decade, 2011 to 2021, two thirds by partners. Like, yeah, it's an epidemic. Experts note IPV risk spikes when women tried to leave or expose the abuse. Which makes sense. Yeah, of course. You're threatening their control over you.

Yeah. And so Bill C21 was the solution that was by the federal government that was brought to bear on this. Individuals subject to a protection order or convicted, of violence against a partner or family member are ineligible for a firearms license. Now, where is the hole in that big time? No criminal gives a crap about laws.

They don't care. It doesn't matter if they're ineligible. It doesn't matter if they, if they're going to buy one, they're going to find one, and they're going to use one. And that to me is that, that, I don't have to wait to be able to tell you that. So then the only solution is, possibly keeping them in jail. But then you have to get the trial a lot quicker.

All right. Well, listen, we'll keep you posted on this story because it's one that just doesn't sit right. And the more information we have, the better we can move forward. Up next to the crisis in our food banks of what needs to be done now. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show.

If you're a regular listener of the show, then what I'm about to say won't shock you. My verdict on, my early verdict on the last 10 years is marked by a number of troubling characteristics. Canadians have gotten poorer and life has gotten more expensive. And that was a trend that started in 2015 and continued to the point that now life is about for a great many people, life is about making some really hard choices. Really hard choices. Oh, do I eat today or do I pay my rent? Do I feed my kids breakfast or do I gas up my car? And it has reached a crisis point on so many fronts. But the front that we're looking at today is affordability as it relates to food and the fact that today more than ever and by a country mile, more and more Canadians are availing

themselves of the food bank because they cannot afford groceries. After years of raising the alarm about unprecedented levels of food insecurity, there is a movement and hundreds of people from food banks across the greater Toronto area will be gathering to, quote, put Queens Park on notice to freeze the rent, raise social assistance rates, and increase the minimum wage. To talk about this initiative, we're joined by Sarah Watson, who's here on on behalf of the North York Harvest Food Bank, as well as Patricia Scott, who's a longtime client and volunteer at Weston King Neighborhood Center. So to the both of you, I say good morning. Good morning.

Thanks so much for having us. Thank you. Sarah, talk to me about as somebody who works on the front line of helping people get fed, talk to me about the increased need for the food bank today versus, I don't know, a few years ago. sure then i've been doing this work for nearly 20 years and i have never seen uh the level of what we're up against right now demand at food bank programs has more than doubled since before the pandemic uh at north your harvest we see 30,000 visits every month um and that's so that's just one that's just one uh location no that's several locations so we're the primary distribution we beg for all of northern Toronto so that's across but we have

have programs where we see hundreds of people in a day who are coming to us for emergency food because they simply do not have the funds to meet even their most basic needs every month. So from running the business perspective, do you have enough food? Are people donating enough? Do you have a lot of people providing what you need to give to the people who need it the most? You know, we're doing, we're doing okay, but we could be doing better. We've never seen demand at this level. And the affordability crisis in the city is, it's affecting everyone. So food banks depend on donors. We're not government funded. A lot of people don't realize that. And so, you know, everybody's feeling that. So when people are making their donations

or are putting food in our bins, they can't give like they used to be able to. So we really need that support. Yeah, you're getting it from both ends. Well, let's talk to somebody who has been affected by this affordability crisis. Patricia, Patricia, thank you. for being here. Thank you for being candid. I really think that your story and your honesty is going to help a lot of people. Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, however so much. Tell me about the situation you find yourself in today. Well, the situation that myself and not just myself, my, my people, I call them my people. And it's devastated. It's very, it's extremely, extremely sad. I've been at my Food Bank, Western Neighborhood Center and the Food Bank

for, I would say, 31 years. And I have never, ever, ever seen or experience what I'm experiencing now. It's tense. It's nervous. It's anxiety. It's causing people to do a lot of things that I don't think they would have normally, normally do. Can I ask you, I wanted a couple of things from what you just said. I want to, I want to, what do you mean, what do you mean when you say that's causing people to do things that they never otherwise would do? Well, everybody's trying to help each other and they can't even help themselves. I myself are in that same situation and I would even want to reach out to help them.

Yeah. And we get stuck weekly, daily, in almost in every capacity of the weight. But I'm going to say thank God for the food back. Thank God for the food bank. Yeah. I always believed that Sarah, that the food bank was supposed to be there when somebody was just going through a tough time. You know, they might, ideally just something goes wrong.

You get a bad bounce and food bank is there to help. But it now feels like it is, there's a sense of permanence of it in so many people's lives that it should be concerning. It's incredibly concerning. We call ourselves emergency food programs. We're supposed to be there for emergencies, and that's what we want to be there for. But we have become part of people's routines. It's becoming entrenched.

People simply cannot make ends meet. The rent is too high. wages are too low and benefits need to go way up because people say, you know, one in five of our food bank clients are reporting they spend 100% of their income on rent. Yeah. How are you supposed to buy food? How are you supposed to buy clothes for your kids? How are you supposed to get on the TTC to get to your job when all of your money is going

to rent? Patricia, is that what you're finding? Yes. I echoed what Sarah just said. But when I paid my rent, anxiety kicked in because where am I going to, how am I going to eat? How am I going to eat? And what can I buy? What can I afford to buy?

Yeah. Yeah. So this initiative, Sarah, a demonstration in front of Queens Park? Is that what's planned? Yeah, we have buses coming from food banks and community programs all across the city from Mississauga, from Hamilton. People, you know, they've received notices, you know, eviction notices. They've received notices of arrears. And today we want to put poverty and hunger on notice. Today is the first day that the legislature is meeting. And we're there on that first day

to let all MPPs from all parties, this is a nonpartisan issue, know that these things can't go unnoticed any longer. And our community members, whose voices so often go unheard, will not go on notice anymore. And so, I mean, as you said, this is an emergency. It's, I mean, we're at crisis levels. If more people are availing themselves of the food bank and doing so for longer periods of time, that signals that there is something systemically wrong. I've got to be honest, and I, because I want to have honest conversations with all of my

listeners, you know, of course, in an emergency situation, you want something to happen for Patricia and people who find themselves in her position. But surely the idea of freezing rent across the board, across the province, that can't be a long-term solution. Like to me, that feels like treating the symptom, not the problem. It's not the only solution. You know, we do have to get wages up. We have to fix the gig work situation.

People want good jobs. People want to be able to feed their families, to pay their rent. That's what everybody wants. They want to be able to meet their basic needs. They don't want to be coming to food banks. We strive to make our programs as welcome and dignified and stigma-free as possible. But the minute that people don't need us anymore, we don't see them because they want to go to the store just like you do and buy their own groceries. They want to get their kids the things that they need.

They want to participate. They want to live in a city for everyone. Yeah. No, yeah. We can tell you what the issues are, but the policymakers need to make the changes. They're the experts, and we need to fix the city and this province. Yeah, and, you know, Patricia, I want to thank you for coming. Sarah, thank you for all that you do.

This is, look, like I said, everyone has different choices that they make. For some, for far too many, it's what we've just talked about. For others, it is, you know, choices. that are not necessarily as critical. But in all cases, I feel they challenge our feelings of self-worth. Am I a good provider? Am I a good family member? Am I a good parent?

And that can weigh on somebody in ways that we can't yet imagine. So thank you to the both of you for being here. We really appreciate it. And we're going to take a quick break. But up next, the big trend in credit cards speaks volumes. This podcast is sponsored by Better Help. If you've been following the news, like really following it, you know how exhausting it can be. Politics, conflict, uncertainty.

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on issues that matter to Canadians. And that's what I've done in this one, in this next segment. What is the meaning of life? Why are we here? Why were we put here? And what are we supposed to do at the time that we have? And I've pondered this, well, for most of my life. And I've come to one absolute certain conclusion. We have been put here to collect credit card miles and points. That's why we're here. That's what we do. That's what we do. And some collect air miles, other aeroplane points, some get scene points, whatever it is, that's what we do. And what they're noticing now is that credit card users are cashing in their points far more than they might have been in the past. So to dig into why that might be, we're joined by Dr. Eric Cam, economics professor at Toronto Metropolitan University.

Welcome. Benedict, I'm so proud to hear you are such a student of philosophy. Yes, indeed. I mean, this is, we, we, why else? What other justification could it be? Listen, sometimes I'll go to the liquor store and now at the liquor store, they have a partnership with Aero Plan and I, I give them my Aero Plan number and they always ask me, do you want to cash them in?

Now, I would never have considered using my Aero Plan points on anything but a trip a few years ago, but I'm honestly considering it these days because money is tight. And that's what you're seeing right now. Listen, cashback credit cards, in general, offered just a. immediate, easy to understand benefit, right? It's actual money instead of points or miles. There's no need for consumers to track rewards, conversions, blackout dates. It just has a direct financial value.

And then you can use that to apply to your statement credits, your everyday savings, your everyday spending, whatever you want. And so that's why people seek out these very, very simple credit cards. But, you know, I know you like to dig below the surface or, you know, you did before you became a Greek philosopher. And I think what's really going on here is this is a real indicator of consumer liquidity preference and pressure, right? When people redeem cash back credits quickly or even redeem them at all, I think it suggests a bit of a tightening of household budget and the need for more money. And so people, I think, Ben, are effectively treating rewards as an income supplement. and I think that's what we're seeing in the market.

Yeah, and look, I mean, I can't tell you how happy I am. Every now and then I'll go to Shoppers Drug Mart and I'll be alerted to the fact that I've got enough points to shave $10 off of whatever I'm buying that I need there. And, you know, when we go to the movies, if I find I got enough scene points to get a free popcorn, I'm very excited about those things. Now, those are, the movies are a luxury.

I have to go to shoppers for the stuff that we need. But a lot of people are looking at these things and hoping to God that they can shave just a few dollars, off of their bill because they're going to need that $10 at the gas station a few minutes later. Well, you're right, Ben. And listen, God bless anybody who wants to save $10 here and there, we all do. But I also would advise consumers to look at the annual fee on those credit cards. Yeah.

Because if you're one of the, listen, if you use it a lot and you get, you know, hundreds and hundreds back a year, then you're going to win. But remember that the fees for those cards tend to be about $150 a year. So if you're not getting that back, it's not a winning proposition. No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Would you – maybe you shouldn't be given – I won't ask you about financial advice. But some people in an effort to weather these storms, whether these financial headwinds that they think,

oh, the sunny days are just around the corner, will end up applying for more and more credit. Oh, you can give financial advice on that issue, Ben. That's a terrible idea. All right. Let me tell you that there are very few wholesale generalizations in the world, but for very, very few people, more credit and more credit cards is generally a horrific idea because these cards, they want to give you credit cards. And if it was a perfect world, they would love to see everybody pay the monthly minimums. But people have to know that the actual realized rate on credit card debt today is about 30%. and I've never said this on the radio before,

but before you do that, you might as well go talk to organized crime because the rates are similar. Okay. All right, well, let's move on to another story. This one in Toronto, but appeals to people all over the country. Blue Jays Nation is indeed the entire country. Tickets for the World Series are out.

The scalpers and the secondary market get their hands on them. Prices are ridiculous. I think we were looking at some prices. just before $21,000 for two seats close to the dugout, I think. Is this really an issue of supply and demand? The Js made the World Series? I'm just kidding. Okay.

You know what? It's nothing more than supply and demand. That's all it's ever been, right? I mean, artists and promoters, they can try to set resale marketplaces and set prices and have price ceilings or use dynamic prices. But forget it. It's a lost cause. and government should really realize that they should keep out of this because they can't win.

Yeah, but left to their own devices, the technologies are going to get, like, what's the point of, you know, Rogers or whomever, Major League Baseball selling these tickets themselves, if they're just going to end up, like, let's just skip that step all together. Let's just give access to ticketing to the secondary market and cut out the middleman. you know we're getting closer and closer to that every day listen you're right if you want as a regulatory measure if you want a government to pursue some anti-bought laws to curb this automated mass mess yeah okay maybe that would be possible I don't know I don't know enough about internet technology

to do that but I know that simply put what we call scalping Ben listen it thrives on two things in efficiency of prices and scarcity and the more constrained the supply and the larger the gap between supply and demand, prices are only going to go up. And the reason that I say, Ben, government may just want to throw their hands up on this one is that if they don't want to enforce regulatory measures

like you're talking about, I really think they're powerless to control these types of prices, especially when things are in such limited supply, like a World Series ticket that we know, there's only so many seats in the Rogers Center. Okay, well, let's talk about maybe something a little more positive and, like, the economic benefit for a downtown that has struggled over the past few years, like Toronto,

to enjoy hopefully four games here, but we'll have at least two over a weekend where the weather's supposed to be nice. The games are 8 p.m., which means maybe people will come into the city a little bit earlier, spend some money, have dinner outside of the Rogers Center where their money will go farther.

Are we expecting a little bit of a bump in economic activity because of this? Oh, we better. We better. I think the Jay's World Series run, no matter how long it lasts, is a real micro-stimulus for Toronto's service economy, and there's going to be serious gains. Maybe, you know, tens of millions of dollars. Could be hundreds, depending on how long the series goes

in terms of local spending, national brand benefits. It's high visibility, high multiplier events, right? You don't just come here and have dinner. If you come here, you're paying for a hotel, you're paying for food, you're paying for entertainment, you're paying for a lot of things. And so in terms of also the brand equity for the city because Toronto is going to be broadcast over, you know, Major League Baseball. Basically the world is going to be watching Toronto for a week like it does with an Olympic venue. And so I think that especially in terms of hospitality, tourism and retail, this city is desperate and should actually expect a pretty good bump in its business capacity.

Now, are you going to watch the games? Are you going to, did you try to get tickets? No, because I have a den and it has a television. And that to me is a bet. You know what? I'm actually super comfortable in my own house watching the games. But of course I'm going to watch them. I'd watch the World Series anyway.

But this just puts a local slant on it and hasn't it been way too long anyway. Yeah, but listen, I'm going to call things as I see them. I personally think the best way to enjoy football is on a couch. I've gone to games and it's not, it's not the spectator sport that you think it is when you're there because it's not often that the play is right in front of you. Baseball, on the other hand, is designed, almost like it was designed for, to be enjoyed in a

baseball stadium. I love going to the game. You know what, Ben, quickly, I know we're up against the clock, as a proud Miami Dolphin season ticket holder, someday let's talk about the absolute poor experience that NFL in-game experience provides for fans.

It is not cracked up to what they sell it as. I do want to talk about that with you at some point. Thank you very much, my friend. You enjoy the rest of your week. You too. Stay healthy, Yeah, listen, I didn't know that he was a season ticket holder in Miami. I might have to avail myself of his kindness one day. Hey, up next, a mayoral race that could only happen in New York. And my producer wants me to say this.

I'm going to say it, underdress, New York. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. There are a lot of eyes on the New York City mayoral race in a way that we haven't seen in a very long time. Seemingly unknown just a few months ago, Zoran Mamdani is now the face of democratic socialism in the United States. And he is currently, he won in a surprise to a lot of people, he won the Democratic nomination against Andrew Cuomo,

who was trying a political comeback. And he's young and he's charismatic and his ideas are loco, but he appeals to his base and his base is mobilized and in the latest poll, Mamdani holds a 43.2% lead followed by former governor Andrew Cuomo at 28.9%. And Curtis Sliwa at 19.4%. Who is Curtis Slewa? Well, he won the Republican nomination and he is the founder of the Guardian Angels and he also has a radio show. There are a lot of people out there who are looking at this arithmetic.

They are looking at this dynamic and they're saying there's no way that Andrew Cuomo can rest control of this race from Mamdani unless Curtis Slewa drops out. Now, I don't think it's as cut and dried as that. I think those votes are up for grabs and 19.4% of people said they want to vote for Slewa. That's a lot of people. Andrew Cuomo could have attempted to get their votes. Maybe he did, and he failed. So those votes don't belong to him. And if Slewa dropped out, there's no guarantee that those people would vote for Cuomo.

There's no proof that they would even vote. So it's not as cut and dried as that. But Slewa is getting a lot of pressure, apparently. And on his radio show, or on his radio station, rather, He said that he's done with the radio station over the pressure that he's been receiving to leave the race. Oh, and before we go to it, this is him being interviewed or challenged saying you're not even going after Mom Dani. You're going after Cuomo. And if you really did care about this race, you'd be going after Mom Dani.

So far you've been on this show for eight minutes. And all you've talked about is Cuomo. And I know you hate him. I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, Curtis, because we've been friends for a long time. I don't feel like you're running against Mamdani anymore. I really don't. This hatred for Cuomo, which you've got a hundred times over, like John is Dean has, has enveloped you to the point where I think you're losing sight of who you're running against.

Cuomo's not in first. He's not in first. You have to leap rock Cuomo to beat the guy in first. I go to your page. I got to go 12 goddamn tweets before I see Mom Donnie's. name. This obsession with Cuomo has to stop. He's not winning. You can beat Cuomo and still lose the election. Eight minutes in, you ever mentioned Mamdani once? Why? Let me tell you, I'm talking to WABC now. I'm hurt. I have armed security guards now protecting my life

and Nancy's life. I've been bribed by the billionaires to drop out of here. If anything happens to me, or anything happens to my wife because of this frenzy that I hear constantly. Coming from some of your colleagues here at WABC, it's on you guys and you gals. That my life, my life is on the line here, Sid. My wife, Nancy, has never harmed anybody who only cares about people and animals is under threat now. Even when the Godis and Gambinos put a hit on me, five hollow point bullets, I never had on security. This feels like a real-life Scorsese movie.

He's talking about bribery. He's talking about threats to his life. He brought the Gambino family into it saying this is not as bad as that or that wasn't as bad as this. Does Scorsese do reality TV? Well, because that's what this is. Yeah, but I mean, there's a movie in this for sure. If things go sideways, no, listen, nobody's life should ever be, um,

put at risk, especially if you're presenting yourself in politics. But also, if you ever thought when watching any of these mob movies that they're way too over the top with the New York accent, listen to that. That is as real as it gets. But look, there are

so I explained to you before why I'm not 100% on board with this idea of, oh, you've got to drop out because you're making it, you're making it harder for Cuomo to win. And you can't win. Well, the flip side is that Zoran Mamdani's ideas and his policies would be disastrous for New York. Disastrous.

If you want to see a flight of capital out of that city, the likes of which you've never seen. Look, we saw it happen in Canada. We saw it happen in Canada. Back in the 70s, the Mamdani of the day was the separatist movement. And when the separatist government got elected, all the money left Montreal and came to Toronto. and it never left. And if you want to see that city lose banks and offices and high net worth individuals who pay their taxes to pay for the social programs, if you want to see those people leave

and decamp to Miami or Palm Beach or Austin, Texas, just let Mom Donnie win right now. By the way, the election's on November 4th. he was asked on WABC Sliwa was about possibly a coalition I spoke to you yesterday and you said to me good advice good idea maybe former coalition maybe the two of you I never said that shit don't put words in my mouth you didn't say good advice to me let me Curtis Curtis you didn't say good advice to me

no let me oh no straight up shit right out of the godfather Whoever approaches you with a meeting, you know what the story is. They've turned on you. W.A.B.C. has turned on me. He summoned the specter of the godfather. It's not a good look. I just saw the latest ad that Andrew Cuomo has put out there.

And it's an AI-generated ad. So I don't know if it's for TV. But he essentially has these people saying, oh, Mom, Donnie's going to be great for the city. And because, and it's these very, no, they pulled that ad. Oh, yeah. He put it up for. I just saw it.

Yeah, I know, but other people are retweeting it. Okay, okay. Because it got put up for a few minutes and then for a little bit of time. Well, why was it pulled it down? Because it's, I mean, it's suggesting that he's all pro crime and stuff. They figured it went a little too far. Well, you know, like, uh, I don't, no one is pro crime. But if you believe that crime is a social construct, as he said, well, then your approach to

solving the issue of crime might not be the most optimal. I think that's a fair thing to say. It is a fair thing to say. If you think that the reasoning behind crime begins and ends with structural racism or inequity, if that's why when you see a crime, that's what you point to exclusively or predominantly, you are not going to be doing the things that will make the city safe in the immediate term, the near term, and probably not the long term. And Mamdani also will not reject the idea of Sharia law.

He will not say it's a bad thing, which is a wild, wild thing to... Look, there are lots of places in the world where you don't have to reject the idea of Sharia law. Lots of them. Western countries are not those places. Okay, they're just not. And if you want to dabble in it, go dabble in it somewhere else. Like, I can't... Honestly, man, I'm really upset.

set that I have to say stuff like this. Like, I'm a centrist. I'm a centrist who believes in building Canada with the best immigrants from around the world. And I'm the guy now saying, go somewhere else. Like, this was forced on me. Yeah. It's terrible that you're being forced to, that all of us are having to.

I love how you. You always try to make me feel better. It's terrible that you were forced. It's a poor, poor radio host. No, all of us. It's terrible that anybody has to say that. You shouldn't have to say that Sharia law, which makes women property and gives a license to people to men to be able to abuse their wives and take advantage of them, which is what it does is wrong. It's obscene that we have to say that.

Well, look, November 4th is fast approaching. And like I said, all it's going to take, Austin, Texas set up a stock market. It's an online stock market, but it's a stock market. And just wait, like my prediction is it won't be long if this guy wins. Like a major company will move, a major bank will open offices down there. And then they're off to the races. Off to the races. All right.

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