The Ben Mulroney Show - What if Donald Trump was the curator for the Canadian PM Wall of Fame?

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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Welcome to the Friday edition of the Ben Mulroney show. It is the 19th of December 2025. Hope everybody had a great week. It's been a long one. There's been some ups and some downs, some intense stories that we've covered. But all in all, it's been a lot of fun. Love doing this show with my intrepid producer, Mike Droulet,

who's sitting there happy as can be. Working away. Working away. Trying to find sound bites. Yes, just working away. All right. So Michael Ma, the once-consult, conservative, now liberal

member of parliament is the gift that just keeps on giving. And he spoke to CP24's Nick Dixon yesterday. And I remember seeing it on the screen, but I couldn't hear it. And I said, oh, I cannot wait to hear what he's saying. And I cannot wait to hear his explanation

as to how he changed his political leanings seemingly overnight. Let's listen. This is a decisive moment for Canadian economy and the nation. as a whole. And the night I attended the Conservative Party, I was truly a conservative member and an MP. I have not made a decision at that point. And so it wasn't until I had the

opportunity to confirm my understanding of Prime Minister Carney's approach and his vision for Canada. Of course, up to that point, I have reflected on a lot of the comments, as I said, from the people I have talked to in Markham Unionville and Canadians at large. Okay. So what he's saying is that one day, literally what he's saying is one day he was a conservative and the next day he was a liberal. In other words, there was no intellectual transformation. There was no political conversion. He was a, he was a member of one party one day and then he was a member of a different party the next. That's it. All he had to do was hear from the prime minister and that was all it took.

for him. What sort of political values do you actually have if you can make that sort of change that quickly? I mean, this wasn't over the course of months. I would have accepted that the disillusionment began the day after the election and he started thinking about re-evaluating the role of government in people's lives and maybe we need more government in people's lives and maybe I'm a liberal now. No, no, one day he was a conservative, next day he was a liberal. okay okay sure uh then i with all due respect i would say to mr ma you are neither you are neither if you if you can switch political stripes that quickly that quickly then you are neither a liberal nor a conservative i don't know what you are i think you're an

opportunist but uh i don't i don't think you're a i don't think you're a liberal either um yeah well pierre polio uh there's an article in the um in the globe and mail he did a sit down of year interview where he believes that if Mark Carney is able to cobble together a majority government, he was granted a minority government by the people of Canada, but if by way of attrition, if by way of conservative switching, he is able to add to his ranks to the point that he is able to cross the threshold and form a majority government, Pierre Poliev is of the opinion that that is undemocratic, that that is an affront to democracy. And And look, apparently there have been over 300 MPs in the history of Canada who've crossed

the floor. So it is fairly commonplace. But I don't know how common it is that crossing the floor has changed the dynamics of a House of Commons the way this possibly can and will. And yeah, listen, I'll tell you, I said it a lot in the last year of Justin Trudeau's mandate. He walked around so proud that he was able to have the longest serving minority government in Canadian history. And the reason he did is because he had the NDP eating out of the palm of his hand and they would do anything he said. So he was able to govern as if he had a majority, even though the people of Canada gave him a minority. They said, we do not trust you with the keys to the kingdom. We trust you, but within a limited scope.

And that's why we're giving you a minority. And so for him to sit there and say, oh, it's the longest serving minority in history. That's actually an affront to the voter. That's not what the voter wanted. It's not what the voter gave you. And you then turned around and decided that you were going to do something else. This, to me, feels a little bit like that. And, you know, listen, you can't stop these guys from doing what they do.

And if somebody says, I want to sit as a liberal, of course, you're going to accept them. so yeah this could happen I don't think it's the worst thing that's ever happened but it's a pretty bad thing the people of Canada voted and said we trust you Mark Carney but we do not trust you yet with a majority and then to turn around and create one

without having gone back to the people I just don't know that it sits well meanwhile back to Michael Ma apparently there's a petition online trying to get him to resign and what's it at? It was at 37,000, but that hasn't changed a number of days. I wonder if it's closed now.

Maybe, maybe, but 37,000, these are not 37,000 people from his riding. This is 37,000 Canadians. And I've said before, we're the easiest thing to do is to stick your name on an online petition. I don't know that that necessarily demonstrates what I'm sure is outrage in his riding. Well, there have had people demonstrating outside of his offices. Yeah. and some very angry constituents. Yeah, a very angry concern.

But remember, he did say that he spoke with a lot of his constituents. Yeah, I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that. And when did you talk to them, Mr. Ma? Because you said that you were a conservative up until the day before. So when did you have these conversations with them? Why would you have had a conversation before if you were firmly in the conservative camp? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Didn't have a lot of time between the Christmas party one day and joining the liberals the next morning. So I don't know when you would have had time or any reason to have these conversations because you told us up until the moment you became a liberal, you thought you were a conservative. So that doesn't pass the smell test to me. And of course, I love saying

that he was a conservative at the Christmas Party on Tuesday and he was a liberal at the liberal Christmas Party on Wednesday. And however, there was a secret Santa in the conservative caucus and everybody was assigned somebody to buy a present for and Jamil Giovanni did not get a present

and then he did some investigating and found out that Michael Ma was supposed to give him one. But nope, nope, nothing for him. Instead, Michael Ma was the one who got the gift. He got the standing ovation when he showed up at the Liberal Christmas Party. I like to point out that

as the only liberal in that caucus who did not vote for the budget, he somehow got a standing ovation. If you can make that make sense to me, you're smarter than I. So yeah, so he was a little bit of a Scrooge, a little bit of a Scrooge to Jamil Giovanni, but there's a larger trend of Christmas Scrooge because there is an article in today's Globe and Mail that says that charitable donations at the holidays have been in decline for a significant amount of time. Fewer Canadians are donating. So we've gone from nearly 22% of Canadians donating at the holidays to 16.8% of tax filers reporting charitable donations

in 2023, which means these charities are under pressure. Both the number of donors and the total giving have fallen since 2013 because of rising living costs, a shift towards crowdfunding. And the decline is despite a parent, and I didn't know this, rising wealth, household net worth has surged, but I don't know that that means there's more money. I think it's just people at the top have more money. The people in the middle and the bottom have less. I think your property value went up. No, it didn't.

Property values have gone down. No, no. Housing properties have gone down. No, since 2015, the value of your house has gone up. Even though it's been going down for the past few years, it's up from 2015. Relative, I suppose. Relative to that. That would be my guess because I don't think people have more disposable income.

No, they do certainly don't. No. And I also think that there's less trust in charities as well. people go into the door I don't I never give it the door I just don't because I don't know if that person has made up this thing on

with Photoshop or something made up an ID I just don't trust it I've seen too many scams maybe maybe I'm jaded because I work in this industry too long I also hear the stories of charities if you give them a dollar

how much of that actually goes to the end the endpoint and a lot of them spend so much money on overhead that pennies get make it there So it's not a good time for Canadian charities. It's not a good time for giving. This is the time of year that so many of those charities depend on people being generous.

And there's just not enough money to go around. All right, don't go anywhere. When we come back, Donald Trump is trolling in a way that I haven't seen in a very long time. It's funny. It's also a little cringe. But we're going to have fun with it next. All right, there's some next level trolling going on at the White House where I didn't even know that there was a presidential wall of fame,

but there is every single president photo of them on a wall. Created in September. Oh, so it's brand new. Brand new. Oh, it's brand new. Okay. But as you get closer to today, the

and the how do you say it? The color commentary that Donald Trump has decided to add to inform the pictures is next level stuff. It's Donald Trumpian.

First off, though, they put up the pictures of all the presidents. But then when you get to Joe Biden, there's a picture of not the president but the auto pen, you know, the automatic signing machine.

that apparently did most of his work, according to Donald Trump. And below that are two enormous plaques that attack Joe Biden, calling him Sleepy Joe and Crooked Joe, calling him the worst president, calling Barack Obama divisive, criticizing George W. Bush.

Like, all of it is chronicled through the eyes of Donald Trump, right? This is not a sober look through history at these presidents and what they achieved. This is Donald Trump's take on everybody that preceded him. And so we thought to ourselves, well, we don't have a prime ministerial walk of fame

in Canada. But if we did, and Donald Trump got his hands on it. Or he was the curator. If he was the curator of Canada's prime ministerial walk of fame, what would it sound like? And thanks to my producer and the glory that is AI,

we know what that. would sound like. Yes. So what we're going to do is we're going to go through some of our prime ministers and we are going to look to the president to see what he thinks of these leaders in Canadian history. And we're going to start with Lester B. Pearson. Nice guy. Very weak. Everybody liked him. Nobody respected him. That's a short one. I mean, you know, he won the Nobel Prize. there was that he uh he solved the suez crisis and he and he created the blue helmets so pretty big pretty big deal you know i should say that right

that is the big deal okay let's move on to somebody who probably well i think you know that if donald trump actually did say this not not a i don't trump it would probably sound something like this because there's no way he liked uh justin trudeau's dad pierre total catastrophe divided the country, shoved bilingualism down people's throats, loved elites, hated the West, did enormous damage, we're still paying for it, believe me. You really nailed this. It does feel like something he would say.

It does. But then again, you know, he's a character, and he has a very particular way of speaking. There was a conservative prime minister who was only in office from 1970. to 1989, and that was Joe Clark. Let's listen to what Donald Trump... No. We only have the audio of the next one would be... Gotcha. Well, Joe Clark, here's what he would say. Totally unprepared, had no idea what he was doing.

Lost control immediately. Couldn't run his own party, let alone the country. Very short term, very forgettable. A mess. Yes. You really channeled him with this. Well done. John Turner, though. John Turner. Old system guy. All patronage. No vision. Defending insiders while Canadians wanted change. Represented everything people were sick of. Time had passed.

him by. That's right. Yes. And then, and then, you know, who's the Prime Minister after Turner? That would be Martin Brian Mulroney, Canada's 18th Prime Minister. Oh my. I wonder what he would have said about Brian Mulroney. Big talker. Hold on. Oh, did he say it? Well, we have. Oh, he did it. Oh, you got that. Yes. Okay. Let's listen to that. Big talker. Sold out Canada with free trade. Ran up massive debt. Way too cozy with big corporations. Left a total cleanup, liberals had to fix it. His son, Ben, wanted to marry Ivanka. I said, no.

Not a chance, loser. I didn't know that was coming up. I didn't know Trump said that. Did he say that to you? That is funny. I don't know. I actually hung out with his daughter years ago. But, okay, my dad was too close to corporations, big corporations.

What about everybody who's paying for your ballroom, Donald? I'm pretty sure the biggest corporations in the world are giving you tens of millions of dollars to build a new ballroom. And also, you would kill for that free trade deal right now. That was genuinely funny. That was well done. That was funny. Then after dad was Jean Creetienne, cut health care, dump problems on provinces, then bragged about it, smiled a lot. Very foxy, but families paid the price, avoided real reform, not so great.

But you have to say it, not so great. That's so great. So did he nail that one? I don't know. But Paul Martin, we have what he would say for Paul Martin. Oh, we have that one. Okay. Claimed he was a great manager, couldn't even manage his own party.

A total, wait, I'm not done with Ben. Nepo baby and Trump knows Nepo Babies. Maybe I'll invite him to dinner for a Big Mac. Maybe not. He'd eat all my fries. Stay away from Ivanka, you loser. stay away you loser i actually feel like he's saying these things to me this amazing i've always said i really wish i was important enough that that's that donald trump would give me a nickname oh that's funny

like sleepy joe by come on all right well from paul martin we move on to stephen harper and he said cold controlling very illogic very ideological didn't like science didn't like science didn't like critics shut up shut people down attacked institutions divided the country no very grim. I challenge a lot of that. And, and finally, we've got the one that everybody wants to hear, our beloved, Justin Trudeau. All show, no results, massive deficits, broken promises, scandal after scandal, identity politics, nonstop, weak overseas, style over substance, a complete embarrassment, everybody knows it. Yeah, that's actually dead on, I think. I think that one actually is pretty close

I think that's dead on man broken promises yep scandal after scandal yep identity politics non top yep yep week overseas yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yeah yeah AI Donald Trump nailed that one

they did but do we have time to hear the AI Trump on Paul Martin again sure sure let's hear that one again he was a great manager couldn't even manage his own party a total wait I'm not done with Ben

Nepo baby and Trump knows nepo babies Maybe I'll invite him to dinner for a Big Mac Maybe not He'd eat all my fries Stay away from Ivanka, you loser It's my favorite stay away from Ivanka You know How did you do that?

I just I don't know Maybe it's something I've always wanted to say No no no How like is there a You just use chat GPT or something No no no there's I found another one There's a whole bunch of different ones But it's you have to find the right one

That's fun. That's fun. We can have a lot of fun with that. Well, yeah. This is what AI is for these days. Yeah. But, you know, I had like the regular line in there, but I just, I don't know. I didn't do all that stuff about Ben.

AI did that on itself. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. Okay. Thank you very much. You just made my day with that. That was awesome. Everybody, I have an announcement.

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