The Ben Mulroney Show - Why aren't the trades attractive enough for kids to get into?

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

Guests and Topics: -Why aren't the trades attractive enough for kids to get into? -No swearing, kite flying or climbing trees: ‘Absurd’ park bylaws need to change with Guest: Josh Matlow, City councillor for Toronto-St. Pauls If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Ben Mulroney Show, subscribe to the podcast! https://globalnews.ca/national/program/the-ben-mulroney-show Follow Ben on Twitter/X at https://x.com/BenMulroney Enjoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And a good morning to you. Yes, don't be confused. I am Alex Pearson of the Alex Pearson Show on the Ben Mulroney Show. Why? Well, because we sent Ben off to hang out in Washington, DC for a little while, and so that's why he's there. He'll check out the cherry trees.

But what we really need him to do is, well, he's gotta follow the story, which I think is always a very good idea. It is a meeting of the movers, the shakers. He's trying to find out what's the conversation, what's the pulse of things? What are they saying about us? Is he hearing the same spin

that we're hearing from our politicians or is there another conversation we're not being told about? And so yeah, I'm a big believer of seeing things with my own eyes. And so Ben will come back to us on Monday and he'll share what he has learned and who he spoke to, who he met with. So he goes off to DC.

I took my own trip. I went to the schoa, Oshawa. I went out to Oshawa on Wednesday, Thursday night, Thursday night. And I wanted to see for myself what was going on at these rallies that Pierre Pollyev has been happening. They started in Hamilton last week, and they've just been popping up city to city and this one was in Oshawa and it was at an airplane hangar because these things have gotten so big they're running out of space. And I wanted to go because I think, you know, what we're seeing in the polls versus what

I'm seeing on the ground for the conservatives, it's not really adding up for me. Because when you see 6,200 people, and that's how many people were there, when you see 6,200 people show up for a politician on a Wednesday, especially a conservative politician, something's going on. But that was the head count. I didn't count the heads, but it was huge. It was the biggest one yet.

And again, they started in Hamilton and they are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And I was talking to one of the campaign managers on Pierre Poliev's team and they're telling me they're trying to find bigger venues. And I'll say, look, those polls, right, the things we hear about all the polls, I don't know. People tell us, well, don't look at those rallies because they don't reflect whether or not people will vote. You know, we can't really assume that those people are going to get out and carry their excitement to the polls. Well, I can assure you, I guarantee you, those people are voting without question. And there are people of all ages, all backgrounds, and yes, women. I saw many, many, many, many women.

But these people, all of these people, they will crawl across broken glass. That is how committed they are to voting and they are getting involved. I talked to a lot of people about what they're doing. Some are new conservatives, some are conservatives coming back, a lot of workers, a lot of labor, but it was a very diverse crowd. And the one thing is, I think, look, if you're waiting in line for hours, you're a guaranteed vote. But these things will get better. And I'll tell you this now, it felt like a movement, right? Not so much an election. We saw big crowds for Justin Trudeau in 2015.

But these are big. And he didn't have, I don't even think as many rallies, but keep an eye on them. And I took my little boy, I took my son, he's 12, he loved it. He didn't really understand all of it, we talk about it, he knows what I do, but I think it's so crucial, right? If you want future generations to care, if you want them to get involved,

and we need them to get involved, because we know people don't necessarily get out to vote the way they need to, right? You've got to get them, become part of it. And my parents, it was, and maybe for a lot of us back in the generations, it was crucial. Our parents made us get involved, right? In our house, we volunteered for the Lincoln Alexander campaign, Hamilton. And again, I was too young, but we got involved.

We would talk about politics at the dinner table. We would watch the debates. We were engaged, which is why I still care about it. And look at this, this election, this is the one to get involved with. This is the one where you can say, hey, I wanna be a part of it, whether it's knocking at doors for whatever party,

just get out there and get involved, because that is how you're going to get people out to vote. Right, but there's a definite excitement. Saw Greg Brady there. Greg Brady is knocking at thousands and thousands of doors. He's loving it. Hearing of course the issues. I asked him, he said, so what are you hearing? And again, affordability is a big, big, big one. You know, crime and change. So he's gonna have to work for that vote, no question about it. That was Mark Holland's old vote.

He's up against Jennifer McKelvey, but he's out there knocking. So I think people will underestimate the motivation and the need and the want to be heard from thousands of people. They are out booming and belting out, oh Canada, full of pride, more so this desire and desperation to get the country back to where we're not just putting it down, putting her down all the time as a colonialist genocidal state. That stuff's gone and over, right? So I went, I saw, and I will just say this, they will get bigger. But if you look at the polling today

by abacus, and certainly I think it's worth noting, I don't know where it goes, but talk about volatility, abacus data, one of the bigger pollsters, they've got now the conservatives two points ahead. Right? So try to make sense of all of this if you can, but this election I think is like no other. And certainly, I think after today, we seem to be getting now the realities of what we've been talking about for months with these tariffs, right? So we now, as you heard in the news,

getting this news in today, just Canada posting its biggest monthly job losses since 2022, so we lost 32,600 jobs. And analysts were expecting to put 10,600 jobs. And analysts were expecting to put 10,000 jobs, you know, add them on. So our unemployment rate is now at 6.7%. There was a huge, huge plunge in full-time work. 62,000 jobs while part-time gained 29,500.

So no surprise and sad. And this is what you've got to remember. gained 29,500. No surprise and sad, and this is what you've got to remember, it's the private sector that will be kicked the hardest. So most of the job losses in the private sector. So that is one big headline. We're also watching the markets. It's going to be an ugly day on the markets, right? Because China has announced additional tariffs of 34% on US goods.

You heard Kevin Frankish talking about it. The most serious escalation in a trade war we have seen since Trump decided to kick this hornet's nest. So there's a real fear, though. We're going into a further escalation of recession. But when you look at the decline in the stock market, like the costs of this tariff war, this trade war, Trevor Toom posting that when the markets close,

the stock market closing on Thursday, it is of the 11,406 trading days since January 1980. So you feel like 1980, 29 had larger declines. So that's the territory. And if you were involved in, you know, They feel like 1980, 29 had larger declines. So that's the territory. And if you were involved in the 80s and the tariffs, my poor dad was in the shipping business. I mean, it was devastating, devastating.

So the hit is coming. And if you're in the sectors that get hit, you're gonna really, really feel it. Here's Donald Trump, who I don't know what he'll say today, but this is how he's been reacting, you know, as of last night, to what he's done. I think it's going very well. It was an operation, like when a patient gets operated on.

And it's a big thing. I said this would exactly be the way it is. We have six or seven trillion dollars coming into our country. And we've never seen anything like it. The markets are gonna boom, the stock is gonna boom, the country is gonna boom, and the rest of the world wants to see

is there any way they can make a deal. They've taken advantage of us for many, many years. For many years, we've been at the wrong side of the ball, and I'll tell you what, I think it's going to be unbelievable. Oh, it's going to be unbelievable. I think our heads are all going to go boom. I'm glad today I'm finished at noon. Boom.

All right, we're going to keep an eye on that. We are certainly going to get your numbers and watch the markets today. We've got a lot to get through. So glad to have you here with us. On the other side of this, we're going to talk about why you can't climb a tree. Hey if you want to go to a park in Toronto you also can't have fun. If you want to get a bylaw permit. That's the next conversation we have. I'm Alex Pearson in for Ben Mulrooney on the Ben Mulrooney Show. And it is the Ben Mulrooney Show and I am Alex Pearson of the Alex

Pearson Show. Don't be confused this is how we're doing things on Friday because Ben Morany is in Washington, DC. He'll be back with you on Monday. Saw this topic and I saw this comment actually by Mike Rowe and you know who Mike Rowe is. He's one of the big kind of, like a big TV personality construction guy. These are the shows that I watch in my off time

because in my secret life, personal life, I like to pretend I know what I'm doing when it comes to fixing stuff. Like I am a fixer upper. No, I don't think I'm the best at it, but I'm pretty good for not being trained. I mean, if I sell the house, I would probably have to get a few things checked,

but I try. I love doing it. One of my big regrets, and back in high school, back in the day, my guidance counselor looked at me and said, like, you should be working either as a welder or a plumber. And I was so horrified. I was like, what?

I'm going to be an archaeologist. And she just looked at me and she's like, no, you're not. And I'm like, no, but I'm a what? You want me to be a plumber? And I laughed it off. And I thought, you know, all these years later, I think, what a dumb dumb I am. How is it that we have allowed ourselves to not see value in these things? If I could do it all over again, and what I have always said about my son, whether he likes it or not, he's going to get a trade. You know, there's nothing better than having a trade because if you

lose your job or, you know, it's so great to have your hands to be able to do something, there's always a broken toilet. There's always something that's needed to be fixed, you know? And so I just think it's such a great skill to have. And what, you know, Mike Rowe is saying is we just don't have enough young people going into the trades. The kids, they just don't want to go into it. And here's what he's seeing. Here's the math that keeps me up at night.

Five and two. For every five tradespeople that retire this year, two replace them. It's been that way for 12 years. Five out, two in. I don't need to be a mathematician. No, that's not gonna work. This is bad arithmetic.

Very bad. So we've got all this like weird downward pressure on the demographics, plus all the stigma stereotypes, myths and misperceptions that have to be challenged and debunked. There you go. Look, we have big, big problems here.

And while Doug Ford in the Ontario government has put a ton of footwork and legwork into getting trades into schools and revitalizing this, the things that we had in people trained, bring the sexy back into it. I don't understand how we could be so foolish to really blindfold ourselves or, you know, short ourselves when we have to have skilled and trained people and we seem to think it's more valuable just that everyone goes off and gets some, you know, poly side basket weaving course. So again, how do we get people interested in the trades? How do we bring the sexy back? Because I think it's absolutely vital.

And I actually think in these times, it's a no brainer. So I'd love to hear from you if you're a trades person as to how you think we get people back and interested. Because it's important. 416-870-6400 8 2 2 5 talk let us go to Bill who runs an auto repair shop. Hey Bill. Hey Alex. Thanks for taking my call This is right up my alley. So it's something I can comment on quite a bit. So perfect Well back in my day in high school

We had things like auto shop in social studies and I always wanted to fiddle with the cars and I get stuck making race crispy Souffle, so how do we how do we get back to that? We had vocational schools that kids went to and because of integration, we got rid of those schools. In the 90s, the tech boom happened and that's when I grew up and everybody was pushed in the computer. Well, what happened was they took the kids

that were maybe not in the higher end, they pushed them into the trades. Well, those kids in my trade, the automotive trade, you have to be a plumber, an electrician, an engineer, a welder. Well, those kids, they're not capable of doing that. And they took all the, all the really, really smart kids and moved them into the, into those higher end jobs. And we were kind of left in a deficit right now.

And I've even had to talk to co-op student teachers who send us co-op kids and say, listen, they have to be able to read, they have to be able to write and lift 50 pounds or they can't even complete a co-op because we're reading, we're writing, we're interpreting things. It's really been 30 years that's just caught up with us and we didn't plan properly and now what

they're doing is wrong in the trade programs because they're funding all these schools but the kids are going to school and they're spending two years in school thinking they're going to come out and be a mechanic. And the problem is, is what's worked with the trades for so many years is the apprenticeship program where they get a job and they work through the job and go to school at night, which is the best program. But they're pushing these kids into these college programs for $20,000. And when they get out, we get them and

they're not even any better than the first year guy that we're training right from ground up to change oil and do tires. But they've completed this program. It's not the right way to do it. You have to have them work in the day, go to school at night for a couple hours, learn some theory, then apply it the next day. It's how it works so well. And they just don't want to fund that program for us. Like I can't afford to hire an apprentice and have him work with a technician because I'm paying two wages on the car that the customer doesn't want to pay more than what the labor is already. Right.

So they need to come up with a funding plan where maybe it's a hundred percent the first year, 50% the second year and 25% the third year, where we're actually able to put those apprentices with an actual technician so they can work the first year with them doing every job that they do. It's so simple, but they don't listen. Well, you know what? I appreciate the feedback.

Maybe we can look into that with the minister on it, because again, yeah, maybe it's an extra sense of a step of mentorship, what have you, but reading and math, the two weakest subjects for kids in Ontario, are wreaking havoc once they get out. But yeah, we can't have these interruptions. Let me get to Glenn. You are 61, you're in the trades.

What do you think the issue is? Hello. Hey, Glenn. Yeah, so I think that the trades is a fantastic avenue for a lot of young people. And I think the issues is just the stigma that's related to it. But the thing is that the benefits of being a tradesperson is got to be relayed. That message needs to come out more, I think, in the high schooling and stuff like that. For example, myself, I didn't excel at school just because I couldn't, it didn't, the wording I guess I'd say is I wasn't active enough in it.

I didn't really catch my attention, but I was sharp enough. Well, not everyone learns the same way. And I did 43 years so far and I've been fully employed the whole time. And it's a construction union and you learn a lot in the trades. And then like I'm a licensed steam fitter. So you got your plumbers and steam fitters and pipe fitter, Walters at a local 46 in Toronto. And it's, it's been my full career. Like I'm ready to retire shortly and I got a very, very good pension. And I think the message has to be that it's a good money making career for a lot of people. And as you were quoting about, the fact is that a lot of people

are leaving and not enough are coming in. So the employment will be better for a lot of people. Yeah. And I appreciate your thoughts. Again, it's about bringing sexy back and making sure that younger people, you know, see the value and again, what's more sexy than getting, you know, 500 bucks on a holiday because nothing's open to your toilet broke and your neighbor's calling you saying, Hey, can you come over and fix this? If I, if I ever lose my job I'm

going to get my welders license so like that that is how I'm looking at my next steps I want to get some kind of skill because it is it is absolutely how you get security Alex Pearson in for Ben Mulroney you're listening to AM 640 and when you go to a park you think you might want to have a little bit of fun? Not so much, not so fast. No swearing, kite flying, climbing trees, some of the rules I'm not done yet. When you go to this Toronto Park you also can't have large gatherings Don't be profane, and if you want to throw a frisbee you probably should think about getting a permit Yeah, no, I'm not joking and the list is even longer than that. This is what is going

on at a Toronto park. Now there are rules in parks, but at what point is it utterly ridiculous? Well, my next guest calls it what it is. It is absurd and he wants the bylaws changed. And for once, I could not agree with him more. He is Josh Mallard, he's your City Councillor for Toronto St. Paul's. Thanks for coming on. My pleasure, Alex. Okay. Yeah, you know, yeah, please go ahead. Well, I was going to say, like, is this one park? This is a park, I think, in Leeside,

but I'm thinking, okay, is this one park or is this going on at all of them? I know we can't drink freely in a lot of these things, but is fun dying in all the parks? Well, yeah, there are park bylaws that are right across the board. And, you know, my view is we need we need rules and regulations to protect our health, our safety, but ultimately we shouldn't have them actually get in the way of responsible adults living their lives. And there are just some of the most bizarre rules that we are meant to abide by, including, you know, that, so as you said, under the bylaw in Toronto, you need a permit to throw a frisbee. You're not allowed. You're prohibited from allowing your kid to climb a tree. Yeah. Oh, here's one that I agree with, although I think it's bizarre that it's in the bylaw.

You're specifically not allowed to shoot a dog with a stun gun. Like, listen, I don't think any of you are allowed to do that. What about a coyote? But like, I don't think it speaks to that. I don't think you're allowed to use the stun gun. Oh, here, now here's a weird one. We're not allowed to that. I don't think you're allowed to use the stun gun. Oh, here, now here's a weird one. We're not allowed to swear. We're not allowed to curse in a park, which I think some people might have some excellence about that one. Well, I wouldn't be able to go. It's bizarre. Yeah. Well, many wouldn't. I do understand the need for some rules, right? Like you don't want

people like landing a hot air balloon, or you don't want people bringing like propane tanks and that stuff or operating airplane model airplanes. But the fact is right now like you can do drugs in a park, you can pitch a tent and live in a park and we are like telling people, you know, go get a permit for your friends be. But also like we're in the 21st century, like in reality, I don't know how many people need a bylaw to tell them that they're not allowed to launch or land a hot air balloon In a park. I don't think that happens very frequently

I would also suggest that there's another one about you're not allowed to obstruct somebody riding a horse if you're You know what I mean, so they get there there there are a lot of rules and again We've got big priorities in our society. Obviously we need to be focused on the price of housing, cost of living, there's a lot of bigger priorities in this. But at the same time, as residents are telling me, as if somebody actually sent me a photo of one of these signs just the other day, that these either rules are getting in the way

of responsible adults having just been able to live their lives or just redundant or absurd things that need to get cleaned up. I think it's fair that we review it and and get it done. Are there streamlined laws? Could we not put a bylaw that is just a blanket bylaw or does every park have have a have its own unique set? There are a combination. There are some like some that we just discussed that are blanket right across the city. There are other ones. You remember the whole toboggan gate thing.

Oh, I do. Certain parts that wouldn't allow kids to go tobogganing. That was absurd. We pushed back. I remember a few years ago, the city was going to ban people from skating on Grenadier Pond just in case something might happen. And that's my point. You know, we can't wrap our kids in bubble wrap.

We can't live our lives never crossing the streets. Like the reality is there has to be some ability for responsible adults to live their lives and use their own risk assessment. And I remember my dad taking me to Grand Inch Pond skating and it was just such a beautiful part of winter and frankly, winters in Toronto you need more things like that. Look we had no rules at the park it was stay as long as you can that was the rule stay as late as you can until mom comes hunting you down and the reality is though Josh we need kids and we need people to actually get outdoors and

actually explore and climb trees because they're on their iPads and their technology so much now they are losing and I say trees because they're on their iPads and their technology so much now they are losing, and I say this seriously, they're losing their imagination. I would far rather my daughter be out in a park climbing a tree than on her iPad all day looking at social media. So ban those. As a parent, I will assess whether or not that branch looks like it's going to break or not that branch looks like it's going to break or not.

So I think we need to trust parents more. We need to just allow, just like I said a few years ago when we were having the debate about drinking in parks, the people who are going to misbehave in parks are already doing that. But if you are responsible adults and you want to have a glass of wine over a picnic with your family, why do we get in the way of that? It's a very good question, Josh, but there's a lot of questions we have to ask about some of the some of the bylaws. It comes down to I think basic common

sense. So let's see, just quickly before I let you go, what's the timeline with the review and getting this kind of stuff worked out? I'm bringing the motion to this month, just later this month, we're gonna have a City Council meeting, so I'm gonna bring it there. And, just later this month, we're gonna have a city council meeting, so I'm gonna bring it there. And then listen, it's not a rush kind of thing. Again, this is not the top priority in the world, but it is something that should be done.

And I look forward to staff, both advising what they can clean up and as far as redundancy, things that are silly and don't make sense, and then things that are actually getting in our way of just enjoying our lives, I think that they need to bring that back as soon as possible. Hey, these days small things,

just small things make a big difference. Life is difficult these days, and so where we don't need to make it harder, I think we need to make those decisions. Yeah, totally agree. And that's a good thing on a Friday. Josh, I very much appreciate your time. My pleasure, thanks Alex. Josh Matlow, Councilor over in Toronto, St. Paul.

When do I ever agree with that guy? So like when I agree with a Josh Matlow, that tells you this is ludicrously stupid. You know, it is so difficult. And I admit it. You know, once your kid gets an iPad, they just, it is a constant battle to keep them off of it and get them outside. But I will, I will, I'm gonna put this out and if you want to weigh in on the conversation, I would ask this because I get it, you have to have some rules in parks, but it just seems beyond

ridiculous that we got a bunch of busybodies over at City Hall, you know, they seem to ignore all the heroin and the crime and the tents and that stuff's okay. That stuff they don't do anything about. They actually facilitate it. But then they come up with these utterly ridiculous rules that no one is going to follow. But, but, but why? Who's going to, who's throwing a frisbee and going to City Hall to get a permit? Really? Do you love frisbee that much? You're going to go get a permit?

And can you imagine being the bylaw officer coming? If I'm a bylaw officer and I'm told to go ticket someone throwing a frisbee or check their license, I'm not doing that. I'm going, boss, yeah, okay, sure, no. I'd feel so stupid. So we know that these things are stupid. I just don't understand why they make such rules. I just don't understand what they think they're gonna get out of it. But 4168706400, maybe you can convince me that we do need these rules,

but we gotta get the kids outside. And that's kind of the angle that I wanna dive into on this. We do need kids to go out. We need them to wanna go to the park. And that's kind of the angle that I want to dive into on this. We do need kids to go out. We need them to want to go to the park. And when they go to the park, they should be as free as possible. Because when I tell my son, you know, go outside, play, make a fort, you know, do, do, do what your imagination tells you, because that's what we did as kids, right?

You were locked out of the house from seven in the morning until, well, you never came home until you could hear your parents shrieking, you know, when it was dark. But we didn't have to be entertained all the time, not by our iPads, not by our technology. We just thought up fun things to do and did them. And so when I see stuff like this where you get like cities continually being the nanny, it's almost like a nanny state thing where they overrule on everything and they make things to the point where it's just not fun. It's one of those things, like, would you like to put circles in the park again?

Should we go back to those COVID days? Maybe we could just have everyone go in their own circle and then lay out the rules and see if everyone can abide by them. But I'm going to open the phone lines. 416870 6400 888-225-TALK. I mean, do we need these kinds of rules? Are we not making it just too hard for people to go out and be normal and act like people? It's bad enough the amount of years we've had to fight to have a glass of wine in our

parks but now you can't even climb a tree? I mean, does any of this make sense? Especially when we need our kids and people to get out and get some fresh air. Let's talk about that. Alex Pearson in for Ben Mulrooney this. Well, it is the Ben Mulrooney Show. Good Friday morning to you. Not good Friday, but it's a good Friday because it's always good on Friday.

And it's a morning. It's not good Friday, but it's a good Friday, because it's always good on Friday. And it's a morning. It's a good morning on Friday. I'm Alex Pearson in for Ben Mulrooney. He is in Washington, DC, so we're going to let him stay there and do some work and get us some information. But I'm going to talk to you about stupid rules at city parks. And of course, I can't say I'm surprised.

I just don't understand, you know, why, why things have to be made so complicated. For me to agree with Josh Matlow is, is, is rare. But again, he's now trying to get some bylaws changed. And if you're just tuning in, it's because there's one Toronto park that you can't fly a kite. You can't climb a tree. If you want a frisbee, you've got to get a bylaw, a permit.

Right? I mean, the rules go on and on and on. Can't shoot a dog. I mean, honestly, with a laser, I can't think of the word, not a laser. What are those things called? A taser? Taser, taser, right, or a laser or a taser. Either one, not good.

You can't do that. As if people are doing that. Meanwhile, we've got people setting up tents, living in parks, doing whatever, drugs, violence, and they don't do anything. So I think at a time when we need more people outdoors, and we certainly need kids outdoors to be adventurous, these rules are just, again, everything wrong with our city's over management. Let me get to the phone lines.

Got a few phone calls on this. Let's start with you, Trevor. Hi there. Hi, how are you? I'm good. You're reliving your youth with us now. Yeah, a little bit there, yeah. So what do you think of this?

Because what generation are you from? Because there's a generation that was like forced to go outside and become creative. And then there's the technology crowd. I think I'm fortunate, I'm 29, so I was on the cusp of where you skateboard to school, you bike to school, you bring a roller blade and a hockey stick and a ball with your other buddy

and you're passing back and forth on your way to class and then you hang out at the park all day, every day after school. Yeah. And that's how it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a good cost for right before the smartphone activity. And now what I wanted to explain is now when I go to parks in Toronto with my friends, we built up some anxiety telling each other, hey, don't do that. We don't know. Just don't do that. You don't want to be caught doing

something wrong. We don't know who's watching. And it kind of suppresses our activities. And we always tell each other, don't, you don't know what's going on. Don't do it, don't do it. We just always shoot to saying no, because we're nervous about getting in trouble. Really? Okay, hold on a second. I want to dissect this a little bit,

cause all parks have rules and there are reasonable rules, but what are the sort of like, are you saying like when you play basketball, you're worried that they're going to come by? Like what is it that you guys can't do that you're worried about? Throwing the football a little farther than you want to you know in a public area over some heads you get a little nervous there definitely the drinking and socials like that you get a little nervous so you

just you stay in your corner and you stay quiet you don't brand-new because and we always push each other like hey don't bring that you know stay it don't do it and we always resort to saying no instead of a why not give it a shot and see if something, you know, hopefully nothing happens. Hey, I'm going to go a little Donald Trump on you. I'm going to give you a liberation day. Go throw that ball. Have fun.

Bend the rules. Like, I like it. Yeah, no, don't be afraid to, uh, to have fun. But yeah, it's, it's too bad. It's come to that. It was not always this way. I promise you, Trevor. Yeah, it's a split decision down with the group now. It's like try it. Let's go up on the other half

Just no, no, no, we don't want someone filming there is getting the tickets All right, so it's a split decision and half of us go crazy half of us don't hopefully Hopefully they'll lean the other way and have some more fun. This is why voting is so important Trevor you've got to vote for the right people to get you the right fun and the right things Thanks so much for calling appreciate it so there you go look at 29 I'm just glad that Trevor is like of the generation still going outside but when you when you keep going out to like a park and you're having to worry that if you throw the football too too far you're like too loud with the

hockey give me a break go for it have fun do what you need to do let's go to what Edward good morning to you. Good morning to you. Hey, good morning to you as well. Thank you for taking my call. You can't be surprised by these rules. Oh, no. Nothing ever surprises me with City Hall. Yeah. Ten years ago, my daughters, one of my kids, their teacher took them to the park because the classroom was unbearable. They were going to go and have their lunch, they brought the soccer balls,

and they were gonna make a sort of a play afternoon. And there was 24 students, the teacher, and that makes 25, and the teacher brought her assistant, so that made 26. The bylaw states, any more than 25, you need to have a permit. So two people arrived in their pickup truck and they were told to leave. Well, why couldn't they put themselves over in another group and start their own group? Why didn't you cut the groups in half? Well, the teacher, fast acting on her feet, said, well, no, this is two groups.

One led by me, one led by her. And the bylaw person said, I'm not buying it. You have to leave now. Yeah, like this is one of those common sense things, right? Like I get that you don't want 100 people, but when it's 25, 26, okay, guys, just remember next time 25 or I'll have to find you. But this is one of those common sense things. Common sense is not so common. And I know, I know, Edward. There was nobody else in the park. Yeah, well that's why I keep saying.

It's a good thing that I wasn't there. Well, you know, there you go, but that's why thank you for your call. It matters who you vote for. Let's go to Joel. Hi Joel. Joel, there you go. Okay, sorry Joel, we didn't hear you.

TGIA, TGIA. There you go. Thank God it's Alex. Thank God, oh thank God. There you go. You know, look, I'm in my 50s and we used to climb trees of course all the time. Playgrounds weren't everywhere.

Now you see them, they're quite amazing, especially the one they put up at Earl Bale's, which is pretty fantastic. You know what, trees are different. Trees aren't inspected all the time. I think you can have that put up sign saying climb at your own risk like they do with the scarabobluffs. But I think kids need to be, for the longest time, they need to be more outgoing, they

need to get out there more, be one with nature. And then they got the tree huggers, oh don't ruin that tree, don't climb it. You know, so I'm kind of on the fence for both. I don't really know how to answer that, you know, I just think we don't want our kids falling from a high- Yeah, I know, but you can't, again, we go back to that bubble wrapping, right? You can put a sign sign up and just say, hey, like at your own risk, like Josh Matlow said, parents will know, right? Parents will know.

And you're never going to stop, you know, Joel crap from not happening. It happens. You can be as careful as you want, but crap happens. You know, when I'm, when I'm looking at it, I have a parkhead behind me and it's very rare they throw frisbees, which is great. It's very rare. You see the kids climbing trees. But when I do see them, because you haven't seen, you don't see it very often

really, and you're like, okay, man, you know what, take it easy. You know what? I don't say anything, but I'll let them, let them do their stuff. But, uh, uh, it's just really rare. Um, so you know what? I don't know, just, you know, whatever, lift it and just say, you know, please climb at your own risk and, and hope nothing happens. I'll tell you this, Joel, don't worry about the tree climbers unless they're looking in

your window. That's when you've got a problem. That's the only that's really the only problem. Let me go to Dan, I'll give you the last word on this, Dan. I wasn't going to call in on the subject. But before I get into why I called in, you can have a thousand laws if you want, but if there's no one to enforce it, then who cares?

Shakespeare said the law is an act. You shouldn't make any bylaws if you can't enforce them. So that's that. And then of course, who are all these useless bureaucrats? Get rid of them. Let's have our own doge at the city since it's obvious that we have too much too much too many people shuffling papers around all right yeah okay without your first comment right yeah okay okay we're gonna we're all about the doge yeah i get it okay for trevor yes yeah the vanguard of

red blooded maleness the warriors like like honestly dude dude we dude, we need you. We need you to fight the powers. If he's sitting there worrying, especially with his friends about paper shuffling and climbing trees, it's like, that's it. Our society's dead. America might as well make us the 51st state and I've given up. Like man to man, we've got, we have to break the laws. We have to show the youngster. It's a rite of passage when you're like, I just say,

and I thank you for the call to the Trevers. You're the future. Your vote counts. Vote like your future depends on it. The future of your fun, the future of your football throwing, the future of the fun killers. Get out, vote, and stand up to this. You're our last bastion of hope.

Thank you so much for your calls. Appreciate it. I'm gonna get into something that I think is such a crucial topic. And I think if I could do it do over in my life, would I do radio and television or would I go into the trades? So I'm gonna open the phone lines on this

and we're gonna talk about something Mike Rose said. And it's His comments about a problem in the trades industry and kids don't want to jump into that Why parents aren't you pushing your kids? Jobs with their hands. We're gonna talk about this. We'll do that next I see why I think this is a big miss if you want putting your kids in this direction I'm Alex Pearson in for Ben Mulorrowing on the Ben Morrowing show Want to kick your cooking up a notch this is the moment you've been waiting for Flavor Network is giving one lucky viewer

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