The Ben Mulroney Show - Why does someone get bail in this country when they've never shown remorse for their actions?
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I am back in studio, friends.
Welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show, the Hump Day edition.
And let me tell you something.
I've said this over the course of the past few days,
but it is a slog traveling during these weather months.
I do not like living in a place
where snow interferes with life.
I've told you this before.
I like snow the way I like my farm animals.
I think snow is great, but it belongs in the country.
And anytime
it falls within city limits, it is a problem that needs to be removed. This is what I've
said and I stand by it and never more so has it been true than it is right now. The snow
stopped falling on Monday, ish, like early on Monday, why haven't we started removing it yet?
Apparently we started today or are going to start today.
Why didn't we start on Monday?
I went back to the airport like a sucker for punishment
for a trip to Montreal on Monday morning.
Nobody was on the roads.
It was family day.
Nobody was on the roads. It was family day. Nobody was on the roads.
It was the perfect opportunity to start removing the snow.
It had already been cleared and it was taking up
the space that we need to walk the dog,
stroll with the kids.
If you are somebody with mobility issues,
you need that as you need the sidewalk.
And I know for a fact,
if you are responsible
for sidewalk in front of your house,
and you don't clear it, and somebody falls,
you're responsible for that tumble.
So explain to me how the city that is responsible
for miles and miles and kilometers and kilometers
of sidewalk for some reason is exempt from that
while they're getting their act together.
So listen, you can hear me rail against this
and you know that this is what I'm going to say
because I like to rail against stuff like this.
But somebody who is part of City Hall,
who's part of that machine is railing as well.
Let's listen to city councilor Josh Matlow
on why he thinks this is unacceptable.
Like you can't get onto the streetcars and buses,
for example, when the stop is a big mound of snow.
Our crosswalks, school zones need to be improved.
There's lots of priorities that need to be set
that I don't see happening.
I think our performance standards need to improve.
And I get like reasonable people will understand
that it will take longer after a major storm event
to clear up the snow, but three weeks or more.
I once heard a resident had a line that I always remember.
They said, the city strategy seems to be
the answer to clearing the snow is spring.
I love that.
He's absolutely right.
That's what this city's doing.
They're just hoping the weather warms up again
soon enough that they don't have to deal with this.
First of all, I'm glad to say that I agree
with Josh Matlow on this.
I've told you many times,
I have a lot of time for him personally.
He and I have gotten along very, very well,
politically less so.
He does sound like somebody who may be running
for something bigger than what he's got right now,
but that's just my two cents.
But that's a very good point. This is a city that requires people need to get
around. And we talk about construction and bike lanes and municipal construction that clogs up
major arteries in this city and doesn't allow us to get from point A to point B and the lost
productivity because of that. We are essentially going to lose a month of productivity in this city.
I would love to know how much more time people will be spending in their cars
commuting within city limits because this city did not have a plan for this
extreme weather event.
And I said it yesterday, it bears repeating.
Progressive politicians in this city who are at the top of city hall,
who control the city staff, these are the people who have been telling us
for years that climate change would lead to extreme weather events.
So explain to me why as they control the levers of power in this city,
they are not prepared for said extreme weather event.
I find it unacceptable. And I'm sure most of you do.
I mean, I don't think I'm saying anything that's out of the ordinary. This is unacceptable.
We live in Canada.
We can't, we don't, I'm sure there are certain days we like to pretend we're not.
I know, I know, I know the president of the United States would like us to not be Canadian. That doesn't change the weather or the climate. And here we are.
So this is the most pressing issue that we have today. It really is. But I want to then turn your
attention to what I believe is the most Toronto City Council story of the year.
While the city is paralyzed due to our inability
to do the one thing that we should be doing right now,
which is removing the snow,
a Toronto City Councilor wants to ban Tesla from the city.
The Deputy Mayor, Mike Cole,
says he wants to drive Elon Musk's electric vehicle company Tesla out of town because of the tech moguls affiliation with US President Donald Trump.
He's written to the real estate management firm Oxford Properties, which owns Yorkdale Shopping Center, asking it to cancel the lease of the mall's Tesla dealership. So if you've been to Yorkdale,
even years ago, it was always this oddity
where you were walking through a mall
and you saw a car dealership and it was Tesla.
And I thought that was always thought
that was quite an innovative way to sell cars.
And this is in his ward,
but he'd like to see the company
forced out of Toronto altogether.
He says, quote, people are really angry with anything to do with Tesla.
And they're also letting me know that they're not happy with the fact that there's a Tesla
retail outlet in my ward.
I'm cordially asking the owners of Yorkdale Mall, would you please consider terminating
their lease or asking them to leave?
And he said, it's a polite, aggressive ask.
And then, but the city told him,
there's nothing we can do, they haven't broken any laws.
Now explain to me how this rises to the level
of something that a city council should be doing right now.
We're in a borderline crisis with the snow.
And this is the cheap parlor trick
that he is using to get headlines.
Look, this is what a single issue activist focuses on.
This is not what a city counselor focuses on.
Now he claims a lot of people are angry.
I have, I know a lot of people who are miffed with Elon Musk,
they don't like Elon Musk,
but his company is something totally different.
People love Tesla.
It has led the green revolution.
Progressive used to love Tesla
because it was showing that people wanted to buy cars
that were not contributing to greenhouse gases, right?
I know it's reductive, but that's what it was.
But now that they don't like Elon Musk,
they don't like Tesla.
It's a situational hypocrisy that just annoys
so much out of anybody who is not
from that side of the political spectrum.
Your willingness to change your position,
the second that the facts don't suit your position anymore.
Tesla hasn't changed. Elon Musk hasn't
changed. The left has changed. And rather than focusing all of his attention on digging us out
of Mother Nature's ire, you're focused on this nonsense. This is the most Toronto City Council
thing, the most performative thing you could do right now. It helps not a
single person. It doesn't make a single person's life better, Mr. Deputy Mayor. Not one. Let's say
for a second, you get what you want and Tesla is kicked out of Yorkdale Mall. How has that made
the life of one Torontonian better?
In any way, explain it to me like I'm a three year old.
It does nothing, nothing to help Torontonians.
While you should be worried about the snow,
you're focused on the snow tires.
Shame on you. Shame on you.
This is the most pathetically Toronto City Council story of the day.
And I'm saying it with a smile because otherwise I gotta cry.
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Welcome back to the show and with the news that 48 hours
after the third winter wallop that we received,
only 48 hours later, are we actually gonna start
removing the snow that has paralyzed this city?
That's what we wanna talk about with you, our listeners,
416-870-6400 or 1-888-225-TALK. We want to know why have
we waited till day three? Or why didn't we start removing it between storms? There's
so many questions I have for our listeners on what you think. And earlier today on Greg
Brady's show, the former mayor of the city, David Miller, joined him and he peeled back
the onion a little bit to let us know that the city
actually doesn't even own most of the equipment that they need to do the job. About half, broadly
speaking, of the equipment is the city's. About half is contracted and you have to pay a standby
fee for the contracted even if there is no snow. So it's a very tricky balance and
the answer is Toronto probably doesn't have enough snow removal equipment. It
operates on a plowing system that is pushing the snow out of the way because in a
normal year it melts. Yeah in a normal year it melts until until we have a
situation like this when it doesn't. Somebody is going to have to do a breakdown of how much productivity has been lost over
a month.
Because look, it's a week of storm plus three weeks of cleanup.
That is one month out of the year where we will not be at full traffic flow, if you will.
And I would like to know how much money was lost in lost productivity and people stuck in gridlock
due to this snow.
And then they gotta let us know how much the cost
would have been to buy this equipment.
And then somebody can tell me, do a cost benefit analysis
of those two things.
Dave Miller also admitted about, well, you admitted
something that most politicians wouldn't admit.
The city should have looked ahead and started removal as quickly as it could.
You don't know if it's going to take three weeks, one week, five weeks, two days.
You know it's going to take time.
Yeah, so we've been told it's going to take about three weeks, but I don't know if that means like,
listen, it's Toronto, right? So is this is this three weeks based on an eight hour a day schedule that
feels like a Toronto work schedule for something that
should be happening 24 seven? And what and and if the city
does tell us that it's in fact happening 24 seven? What does
that mean? Does that mean that a third of the of the operations
will be happening in eight hour shifts? Or is every single resource, will it be brought to bear on
this disaster for 24 hours a day until the system the situation
is resolved? I'd love to hear from you at 416-870-6400 or
1-888-225-TALK. And look, you may be in your car right now on a road that is normally two lanes, but
it's down to one or one and a half.
That's what I've seen a lot of, one and a half lanes.
Not a lot you can do with one and a half lanes because the snow has been jammed up against
something and there's so much of it, it's taking up half a lane.
There's no way that traffic's no way that this,
that traffic in this city is optimized right now.
And until the snow is removed, it won't be optimized.
And let's also remember that it's optimized
as well as Toronto streets can be optimized
given the fact that those frigging bike lanes
are still taking up space.
Because by the way, I ain't seeing any bikes
in the bike lanes these days. I'm glad to know that they were
plowed and they were cleared. I'm not seeing anything in those
bike lanes beyond Uber Eats deliveries. That's that's that's
just that's just my anecdotal analysis of the situation. I'm
sure somebody will call in say I use the bike lane yesterday.
That's that's that's one of you. But no, this is again,
our city demonstrating what their priorities are.
You know, it's the priority of our deputy mayor
is to get rid of Tesla at Yorkdale
rather than focusing on this.
Hey, let's welcome David to the show.
David, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show.
Thanks for calling.
Hi, how are you today?
I'm great, thank you. You're not as
stressed as you were when you're traveling home. Oh my god, man.
Don't even get me started. I'm shell shocked. I do not want to
travel in the winter ever again.
I will take a deep breath. You're doing great. I just
wanted to touch on something. You know, I live near St. Clair
and Bathurst. I'm driving along St. Clair now barely moving, you
know, that know what it is
but i think allot of uh... trontonians need to remember that you know despite
the last few years we had warm
tears
new to warm it's cold
we're gonna get a lot of snow
you know if you're working from home look at your window maybe you have twenty
minutes or forty minutes between calls maybe your kids are at daycare school
finally and you can go and just shovel a little bit Maybe you have 20 minutes or 40 minutes between calls. Maybe your kids are at daycare or school finally.
And you can go and just shovel a little bit.
It doesn't take a lot if everyone does a little bit.
Many hands make light work.
Yesterday I watched six parking spots open up on my street
and has nothing to do with the city.
It's just neighbors getting out
and contributing a little bit at a time.
And listen, I-
I- The city does that, it goes a long time. And listen, I, I, I, I,
does that a long way. And David, listen, thank you so much.
That's an optimistic, very community centered perspective.
But as you just pointed out, like they're everyone I know,
as soon as the snow started falling, started removing it,
they started shoveling it.
Why didn't the city adopt the same policy and start removing the snow after
the first storm and then after the second storm and then after the third storm? Like,
why are we? Why? Why have we waited till now? I get, oh, well, there's more that's going
to land. Sure. More will land, but you will have removed a big chunk of it prior to the
third dumping of snow and individuals know to do this. Why didn't the city know to do
this? Time to say hello to Bazil. How are you? Hi, Ben. Good morning. I'm well. How are you?
Good. Good. I'm a former Montrealer like you. So I can't believe that four days after
the snowfall that I still see, like you say, lanes taken away, huge snow banks.
You know, in Montreal, the main arteries are clear the day after, and those snowblowers
come through and they're hauling snow away all night long to make sure that the secondary
streets. So, three lane roads are three lane roads by the second day after a snowstorm.
Yeah, yeah. And look, I'm not asking for it to happen during the second day, but
like we haven't started after the second day that it's removed after the second day in
Montreal.
Day four, a week later to that earlier snow. And like you said, you know, I'm driving down
Bloor street west and this part of the bike lane is plowed. But then there's just a wall of snow in the middle of
the bike lane. So I don't see the point. Yeah, there's no rhyme
or reason to it. And I live on a little street. So I don't expect
my street to be cleared right away. No, but a week later, I
think it's I think I think the expectation after the after the
the the back to back property tax increases, maybe some of that money could have gone to snow
removal. That's my my humble proposal. Thank you so much for
your call. And let's welcome Anthony to the Ben Mulroney show.
All right. Good morning, Ben. How are you? I'm well, thanks for
calling. Fantastic. So I'm a homeowner in the city of Toronto.
And right away, right now we're not getting value for money. So
as I was telling your screener, how about this, here's an idea,
take a bunch of shovels,
drop them in the ward and basically whatever city council is there,
we can put our names down as homeowners.
And every time we go out there and shovel,
basically we get a reduction in our property.
Probably tasks is about to go up.
And if I could make a quick comment before you cut me off here,
this is exactly why a person like Trump is in office, right?
We are upset about where our money is going.
And now we're complaining about not getting snow removal.
I'm in Scarborough and basically it's treacherous.
It is completely dangerous to walk on a city, a city pathway.
If I was to walk with my child and basically fall and slip, am I to sue the city?
It is not fair.
And I think that we're not getting value for money.
No, we're not.
And thank you for your call.
And I wouldn't have cut you off.
I would not have cut you off.
We'll let you say your piece.
And you know, we're talking during the break
that someone like Donald Trump,
it doesn't, he doesn't appear in a vacuum.
He appears as a consequence of actions by the other side.
And the same thing is happening here. There is a there's a rise of a
level of dissatisfaction due to irresponsible behavior from from
the left in the city over the course of years. Time to welcome
Kenny to the show. Kenny, you're our last call before the break.
Hello, sir, I think we're around the same age. But to me, when I grew up, this is normal.
This is the way snow is supposed to be.
It snowed in December.
It didn't melt till March.
This is like the way it's supposed to be.
Then I guess in the late 80s, early 90s, it started tapering off a little bit, and now
it's back.
But are these people born or they
hatched in an incubator like I don't know where they came from yeah but anyway uh I got a couple
questions yeah um hey I need I need a better definition of left and right it's it's used to
ambiguous ambiguously and I look up you know I look it up in Wikipedia and it doesn't explain
it to me the way I see left and right.
It's too used to ambiguously in the media.
I need a proper definition.
Well, for me, for me, the, the, the, the,
the right is defined by a belief that a dollar earned
by a person is best spent by that person.
That's, that's, that's my, that's, that's one
of the many aspects, but that's one of them.
And the left believes, look, I'll give you an example.
Jagmeet Singh, we're gonna talk about it a little bit later in the show today,
but there's talk of a new high-speed rail from the Quebec City-Toronto corridor
that's gonna be announced by the Liberal government,
that's gonna be funded by private corporations.
Jagmeet Singh of the NDP thinks it's a great idea
so long as private corporations have nothing to do with it.
That's the left to me.
An allergy to private enterprise.
Welcome back to the show.
And I've got a friend, a great guy,
we see eye to eye on a lot of stuff, but when
it comes to federal politics, he and I are on opposite sides of the fence.
And he came over for dinner a few months ago and he kept referring to the points that Pierre
Poliev was making on the campaign trail as small issues, trifling issues, I believe,
something like that.
And I looked at him and I said,
you think Canada's perspective on bail reform,
you think his perspective on bail reform
and the idea of actually keeping people in jail
until if you're a repeat offender,
like no bail for repeat offenders,
you don't think this is a big issue?
And he's like, it's not that big of an issue.
As somebody who comes on this radio show
and this radio station very often,
I feel it's like we're on a conveyor belt
of sharing stories of people who should be in jail,
who are not in jail.
And the worry about public safety, that's out the window.
It doesn't matter.
It's about the rights of the accused,
or in certain cases, the rights of the already convicted.
And this story to me,
highlights the need for this country
to start taking very seriously
the issue of public safety in the face of an accused
who to me is the walking embodiment of a red flag.
And it's the story of Hassan Ali. He's a Toronto rapper known as Top 5.
And he was just released on bail for a firearms possession charge.
And this is all due to so. So let's take this back to the beginning. OK, this is all due to, so let's take this back to the beginning.
This is a guy who three years ago was facing a murder charge.
And rather than face the music, he fled to the United States.
And over the course of a certain amount of time, he would stream himself,
mocking Mayor John Tory, talking tough.
And eventually he was arrested in, I believe Los Angeles, extradited here.
And while he was standing trial, the prosecutors were hoping that they could
use the lyrics of his songs,
as well as the words that he said in these streaming sessions against him.
And the trial judge said, no, that is information that could prejudice the trial and prejudiceiced the jury.
And for that, and it could confuse them. They might not know the difference
between his artistic expression
and a confession he might've made.
And for that reason,
it's, we're not gonna allow that
to be included in the trial.
And so you put all that together
and while he was out on bail,
he was caught with a gun.
And now he'd been told, okay, it's okay.
We're gonna put an ankle monitor on you
and you have to stay home between the hours of 10 p.m.
and 7 a.m., which means he could still go to Raptors games
if he wanted, if they started early enough.
And like, this is the guy, this is the guy on paper who is at a high
risk of recidivism. Is it he? I want to know what you have to say. 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225
talk. When you hear a story like this, a guy who was on trial for murder, had the ability and the means and the funds to escape to the United States while he was there,
was so either proud of himself
or emboldened with his escape
that he would taunt the mayor of the city
on social media and on streaming sites.
Yeah, well, let's hear what he had to say.
And if my GGs catch that n, that gets smoked. So this is the
song.
You better talk low.
Because I got 13 minutes.
Yeah, okay. So that's that's one of the songs that if you if you
listen to the lyrics could lead you
to believe that he committed these crimes.
Let's listen to his words while he was streaming while he was in LA.
Look, I'm telling them that they want to meet me, tell John Tory reach out.
If John Tory reaches out, I'm linking up with anybody.
You know what I mean?
Yo, you guys want to link up call John Tory and tell him I would have a
f***ing sit down for f***ing 30 minutes. I want to spit my facts and he spits his facts.
I run Toronto. You f***ing goof.
He runs Toronto. He runs from LA. He ran away from Toronto. We know that.
But this is this is a guy does that sound like a guy who was, had any remorse,
any concern over the victim of this crime,
whether or not he had even perpetrated the crime?
Let's assume for a second he was innocent.
Does that sound like a guy who was concerned
for the loss of the family?
This was a man who didn't have a care in the world.
And now we're trusting him to keep his ankle monitor on
and to check back into his house at 10 p.m. every night
and stay there till 7 a.m.
I also have to assume that part of these things
is to not consort with known criminals
or people with records or do we trust him
that he's gonna follow all of those rules?
And what happens if he breaks them?
What are you gonna do?
Put a second ankle monitor on him?
One for the left leg, one for the right?
So give me a call at 416-870-6400
or 1-888-225-TALK.
It's stories like this that take people
who maybe never would have thought about bail reform
or criminal justice reform,
and it makes it a central issue for them.
And it makes them swing so much farther
in the other direction than they ever would have anticipated.
I promise you years ago, I would have talked about,
well, let's talk about the mitigating factors
around the crime.
What caused this person to do the crime? I don't care anymore about the mitigating factors around the crime. What caused this person to do the crime?
I don't care anymore about what caused somebody
to do the crime.
There have been enough people in power
who have been focused almost exclusively
on the underlying reasons for why somebody commits a crime
and why that should mitigate their responsibility.
That it is not up to me to worry about that anymore.
I am now worried about the victim of the crime.
I am now worried about the community
because the people in charge have been focused
almost exclusively on the perpetrator of the crime
and protecting the accused and the criminals
over the community and the victims,
and I'm done with it.
Francois, welcome to the show.
I've always said this here in Canada,
it's the injustice system.
And Canada is the best place to do any type
of criminal activity because nothing happens.
You get a little tap on the wrist,
they send you the holiday in for a couple of days, and then're out. Well François, I say it all the time.
Of course you're gonna do the crime if you don't have to do any time. That's the
expression that should fly in Canada because that's
what it means. There's no reason not to do the crime because you're gonna get
a wrap on the wrist and go right back to doing crime in the afternoon. It's, there's no sense of deterrence here.
And if there's nothing to scare you from the crime, you're going to do it, don't you think?
I agree. And the other thing in this place, if you're, let's say, someone that came in from another country, you commit a crime.
In the past, I was told as a kid that if you do something and you're not a
citizen of this country, you would be deported. Here, we don't do that. We keep them in.
Oh, yeah. Well, because to deport somebody is to, is first of all, it's an innately racist. You
didn't know that Francois? It's innately racist to suggest deporting anybody.
We mustn't do that. And people that burn our Canadian flag, they should have been put on a plane and sent back.
Oh, but that's their free expression.
You don't want to, you don't want to, you don't want to infringe on their charter rights.
No, you can't do that.
Yes, the little darlings, the snowflakes of this country.
Karl Swat, thank you so much for your call.
So let's talk now with Rob.
Rob, what do you think of this?
I think this is a miscarriage of justice. I think this is a miscarriage of justice.
For sure it's a miscarriage of justice, but what do you expect?
We have an activist left-wing judiciary that allows criminal elements to perpetuate in
Canada simply because liberal ideology is far too sympathetic to their plight.
Oh my God, he did this because he didn't have a father in his life.
Oh my God, he did this because he's disadvantaged. He didn't get a proper education.
They come up with a million different excuses instead of getting to the rude cause.
It's not that they don't have it, they just want easy, right?
Criminals do things, why would they go to work when they can steal from you?
That does go to work. It's just so much easier, right?
Yeah, well it's like I said before, if the activist judiciary is
going to worry about the rights of the accused, I am going to focus all of my
attention on the rights of the victims and the rights of the community. I'm
done worrying about that other side of the equation because they have enough
attention. And this is that I was forced into this position. I was a dead centrist on a lot on these sorts of things.
I was like, well, let's look at all sides.
I don't do that anymore.
Because the people who should be looking at all sides
have focused exclusively on one side of the equation.
So it's now my obligation to help even out the equation
by focusing on the one part
that isn't getting the attention it deserves.
Kathy, welcome to the show.
Hi, Ben. How are you? I love your show. Thank you.
But I'm and I'm going to be Tom, I'm going to be named a bleeding heart here.
But I think I think that the bail reform, I absolutely believe that the bail reform needs to happen.
I don't agree with what this wrapper has got away with.
However, it's more complicated than just throwing them in jail.
We've got to house these people, right?
We have already too many incarcerated people for the conditions that we have.
So yes, let's throw them in jail.
They absolutely shouldn't be out on bail
in order to perpetuate more crime.
But we also have to do something with our jail.
But my question, Cathy, is who the heck
is incarcerated right now?
It seems like everybody who commits a crime today today there's no room for them in the
inn and so we send them on their way who's who is in jail right now and
based on I know there's lots of people in jail so many so that there's no room
but who are these people who are in jail because clearly everybody else today
doesn't rise the list shouldn't be a one-for-one okay well if you caught if you've been in
there for three years for jaywalking or the hell you were in there for we're
gonna get rid of you we're gonna put a rapist in we're gonna put like I don't
understand the system somebody needs to explain to you but thank you very much
thank you Kathy and you're right this is not as simple as throw them in jail we
do we have a housing shortage not just for you know Gen X and Gen Y we have a Thank you, Kathy. And you're right. This is not as simple as throw them in jail.
We have a housing shortage, not just for, you know, Gen X and Gen Y, but we have a housing
shortage for criminals as well.
We have nowhere to put them.
And that is part of the problem.
Again, we have not been investing in the parts of society that need it.
And yes, I'm all for not putting somebody in jail if they don't need to be in jail.
If it's a nonviolent offense,
if it's somebody for whom it was their first offense,
if it was somebody for whom there is a clear reason
for why they did what they did,
and because those circumstances will not repeat,
it is almost, they have an infinitesimally small chance
of recidivism.
All those things. I agree with, I'll co-sign all those things. But in this case, this guy, as I said, is a walking, talking, living, breathing, red flag example of recidivism.
He, he is a repeat offender. He is. And he got a slap on the wrist, he was told to go home with an ankle bracelet, an ankle monitor.
So I'd love to hear from you.
416-870-6400-1888-225 talk.
And I'll ask you a question.
Are you like me?
Are you somebody who used to look at the quote unquote root causes of violence as a way to
understand and justify and mitigate the responsibility of the accused or the convicted.
I don't do that anymore.
I don't have time for it.
Somebody else is busy doing that.
And I'm just a guy chirping from the cheap seats.
There are people out there who actually can control
the destiny of these people.
And they're the ones looking out for the criminal
and for the accused.
And I don't believe that they are putting the weight
and the importance on the health and safety of the community
and the health and safety and the rights of the victim.
And somebody should be looking out for them.
So I'm going to do that.
Arthur, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show.
Hi, good morning, Ben.
Good morning.
So I have a different take on this too,
because a lot of criminals are coming to our borders.
We got to really look at our immigration system and our deportation system of people who do
not belong here.
Oh yeah.
I mean, why is that a person who is here waiting for some sort of status, whether it's legal
or illegal, they go in and commit a
crime. And then why aren't they deported right away?
Immediately, it should be immediate. There's no there
should not be a well, there should be a trial because
everybody deserves a trial. However, the only the only thing
that shouldn't be decided that trial is how fast we're going
to kick you out.
Correct. That that that is being here is a privilege. And if you're here on a work visa or a student
visa and you break the law, the question then is not do you get to stay but how quickly can we get
can we send you home? Thank you so much for your call. I think we have time for one more call.
Let's say hi to Rocky. Rocky, thanks so much for calling into the Ben Mulroney show.
Hi, how are you?
I'm great. Thank you.
Great. Great. Now, listen, Ben, first of all, I want to see really quickly. I loveoney show. Hi, how are you? I'm great. Thank you. Great, great. I listen, Ben. First
of all, I want to see really quickly. I love your show. Secondly, I'll get right into it.
My son and my daughter were being driven with by their mom to my house. They were rear ended
out of red light in Brampton by a repeat offender. It put my son in a coma for 10 days, brain
spine injury. He had to learn how to walk, talk, swallow, eat, breathe.
He has disabilities now.
My daughter had a broken arm and a broken femur.
And this is something I have to live for the rest of my life.
And here's a guy who was out on bail for dragging a police officer from his car door
while he tried to get pulled over.
He had no driver's license at this time.
He was out on bail.
He had no insurance.
He left the scene of the crime for my family to die at a corner street in Brampton.
So for me, I look at, you know, Bill C-75 and exactly what you're talking about.
And my vote for the federal government
at this point, aside from other things, is who is going to get rid of Bill C-75?
Who is going to put these criminals in jail instead of leading them on bail, you know,
committing these crimes?
Yeah, Rocky, I'm so very sorry that that happened.
I do hope that I know that your family
is gonna have a struggle and it's gonna be so hard
for your children to recoup what they've lost.
My heart goes out to you, I'm so very sorry.
That should never, ever have happened.
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