The Benny Show - Dark TRUTH About Deadly DC Crash REVEALED: Female Army Pilot REFUSED Orders! 'Intentional', with Guests Tom Fitton, Mark Mitchell and Sam Antar

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Army Blackhawk pilot in DC refused flight instructor’s command 15 seconds before deadly collision, White House puts 100 illegal alien mugshots on lawn, Tom Fitton, Mark Mitchell and Sam Antar join t...he show. Check Out Our Partners: American Financing: Save with https://www.americanfinancing.net/benny NMLS: 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org Blackout Coffee: http://www.blackoutcoffee.com/benny and use coupon code BENNY for 20% OFF your first order Advantage Gold: Get your FREE wealth protection kit https://www.abjv1trk.com/F6XL22/4MQCFX/?sub1=Youtube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Today is Monday, April 27th, 2025. We're hydrating because I brought my kids to the Gulf of America yesterday. I'll even show you a video. Army Black Hawk pilot in D.C. that smashed into the side of a commercial aircraft, who was a DEI hire, who was a Joe Biden employee. We now know exactly why this tragedy happened. This is something that's very important to me because we fly in and out of DC and I'm often on a plane with my family, just like 67 souls that are no longer with us.
Starting point is 00:00:33 So we're gonna cover that right off the top this morning. I think it's such an important story. It broke in the New York Times just yesterday. White House puts 100 illegal alien mugshots on the lawn, leading to absolute hysterical hilarity on cable news. Oh yeah, and baby, we got some massive breaking news about what we're going to be up to this week. Get ready, we're going to rock with Tom Fitton today from Judicial Watch to talk about the Supreme Court lunacy. Some major, major news out of the Supreme Court today. Pollster Mark Mitchell, our absolute favorite
Starting point is 00:01:05 pollster, will tell us what's happening with Trump's first 100 days. I think President Trump is on day 98 or 99 today. Okay, here we go. We are going to be live for Donald Trump's Big MAGA rally tomorrow in Michigan. Sam Anatar will join the program. He has some massive news to break. He's an investigator going after Letitia James. Ooh, baby. They're going to have to start sewing a really big, really big jail suit jumper or big tish. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Benny Johnson, and this is The Benny Show. Go gold. Gold is skyrocketing right now i'm not supposed to say it but have you been checking the gold markets of course i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it because like i'm invested in gold i'm invested in gold you should be invested in gold when as president trump resets the table
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Starting point is 00:03:06 there is no variation of performance at the White House today. The White House began the day and chose violence. Well, it was the criminal aliens that chose violence. This is what the White House lawn looks like today. It is lined with criminal alien mugshots and the heinous crimes that they have been deported for. This is an incredible troll. So they're using yard signs. Yard signs win elections. And now the White House, for the first time I think ever,
Starting point is 00:03:39 is using yard signs. There's going to be a random call out. And I know Producer Danny's got it. Can you give me those goofy Valentine hearts that Jill Biden would put up in the yard and then like walk dementia Joe, like through like, like it was like a hospice activity hour. That was the only other time I've seen something like planted in the white house lawn. I've never seen anybody use like stick something in the white house lawn. And here it is, ladies and gentlemen, a genius move for a couple of reasons. One, there is currently a massive psyop going on right now in the country to say that
Starting point is 00:04:17 all criminal aliens have got to stay. We're going to talk about that with Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch. There are plenty of court rulings. The reason why they need criminal aliens to stay is that they need criminal voters. That's why they hand them all Social Security numbers and a voting card as soon as they can. This is something that will be the linchpin that says whether the Democrat Party— Oh, here we go. I'm going to play an MSNBC clip. Get your salt shakers ready This, I'm gonna play an MSNBC clip. Get your salt shakers ready. I'm gonna play an MSNBC, get your salt shakers ready, okay?
Starting point is 00:04:49 We're getting back to the salt that lived era of the show. This was the last time we saw somebody put stakes in the White House lawn. Healing. Look at that. Look at them out there. Look at them, look at Joe and Jill meandering Joe and Jill meandering around. Okay, be careful.
Starting point is 00:05:11 These are the dogs that are clearly rabid and biting everyone that comes within their path. Okay, so this is like old school. Man, what a fever dream we've been through. What a painful time we've been through as a country. Joe Biden nearly fell directly on his ass at the Vatican this weekend during the Pope's funeral. So embarrassing. Okay, so thank you.
Starting point is 00:05:32 This is what I voted against. This is what I voted for. This is, ladies and gentlemen, the point of all of this, which is that you can't have a future of a Democratic Party without criminal aliens. Two important pieces of data that we researched this weekend with the help of Stephen Miller. One, Democrats probably have 20 extra House seats because of criminal aliens, because they count aliens in the census. They shouldn't do that, of course. It should be totally illegal. You should have to be a U.S. citizen to be counted in the census. But the way the allocation of congressional districts work, the Democrats have 20 extra House seats. There should be a permanent minority of Democrats in the U.S. House.
Starting point is 00:06:12 That's item number one that they're thankful. Item number two is Democrats don't have kids. This is just a matter of fact. This is something that we know. We're going to speak with pollster Mark Mitchell in a little bit. But what we know about Democrats is that they don't have children. It is actually only Republicans that reproduce. This is why they have to wholesale own all of the institutions of indoctrination known as the greater education system in the country to try and rip our children away from us. This is why we must be firm parents. But also like, again, dude, there's no other way to say it. Like Democrats literally cut their dicks off. Like they, they, they don't, they don't want to reproduce. They don't want to metaphorically, right? Physically it is what it is. Okay. So this is like a great opportunity
Starting point is 00:07:02 for us to take the country back because we're the only ones who have kids actually. You ever met a lib? Imagine having a kid, you know, really like slovenly, pink hair, bad breath, no deodorant, hairy armpits, yellow teeth, piercings, no, no thank you. No thank you. I've seen plenty of marches.
Starting point is 00:07:24 I understand what the women's march looks like. Okay. So yeah, like these, this, the criminal aliens are their children. The criminal aliens are their only hope to keep a part, to keep their party going. And this is why they must have them here in the country. They're desperate to keep them. This is why we saw all the judges get arrested. The judges were arrested. And this is an amazing thing. Can you grab me that Pam Bondi clip talking about, because we didn't have this yesterday.
Starting point is 00:07:52 We didn't have this on the show on Friday. She was talking about why they arrested the judge in Milwaukee. We didn't have like Pam Bondi fully explaining it. The judge in Milwaukee got arrested right when we went live and we didn't have the full story. You know, the charging documents then were released later in the day and we were able to get a full story, but Pam Bondi sums it up pretty efficiently. This judge took the criminal alien who was in her courthouse for rape or domestic abuse and battery, some type of like horrible crime.
Starting point is 00:08:25 And the protected the criminal alien, like it was her own son. These people are flying down having margaritas with MS-13 members. It's like their own children because they don't have children. This is their only hope. Their only hope is the 10 to 20 million criminal aliens that Joe Biden brought into the country. It's like they view that as they're like political children because they're not having actual children. I don't have the same. I want to deport them all because I have real children. I have actual American children.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Man up and like have an actual family. I said I'd show you guys a photo, our Gulf of America trip here. No, it's not. My telegram just froze. Okay, guys, get me Pam Bondi. I want the Pam Bondi explanation of this. We've got so much more to talk about, but this is important.
Starting point is 00:09:18 You got it? All right, here we go. Here's what the judge did. Tell me if this, okay, this is not the same clip I was thinking about, but as long as she tells the same story, that's fine by me. To her describing the judge and what the judge did to get arrested. And now we finally have the handcuffs footage. Let's go. The reason they make arrests in courtrooms all the time is because it's safe. A defendant has gone through security. They don't have a weapon. It's an easy arrest. No one's injured. But because she did this, she jeopardized the
Starting point is 00:09:48 lives of law enforcement officers, even the defendant. By doing this, they had to have a chase down the street while victims of a crime were sitting in a courtroom. Judge in jail? Judge got arrested. She sure did. So David Brooks, you know, the columnist for the New York Times, who on PBS over the weekend said that the judge acted heroic. Well. What do you say to that? I say the victims of crime should be very happy today because these victims of crime,
Starting point is 00:10:15 they deserve justice. This is a criminal judge sitting on a... Yeah, maybe she goes into it there. Hold on, unmute it. Anyone, any criminal should be very happy today because these victims of crime, they deserve justice. This is a criminal judge sitting on a criminal bench. And anyone who's going to let an anyone, any criminal defendant out a back door is absurd. So that's what she did. She literally human smuggled him.
Starting point is 00:10:45 She smuggled him. Now she's arrested. Here we go. Here's her getting smuggled out in handcuffs. This is the judge in Milwaukee. Another judge in handcuffs in New Mexico for doing something similar, letting the criminal aliens live in their house.
Starting point is 00:10:58 She screamed and misdirected the ICE agents that were there to arrest them. And then she literally human trafficked the criminal alien out of a secret back private door that she had in the courthouse because she's a judge. Tell me that these psychotic childless libs are not treating these criminal aliens
Starting point is 00:11:17 like their own children. That's what's going on here. And as promised, ladies and gentlemen, here we go. Here's my kids at the Gulf of America. This weekend, I have my own kids, so I don't need a bunch of criminal aliens. This is Baby Whitaker.
Starting point is 00:11:34 There, he's asleep. Sleeping at the beach, doing a great job. And here's my other three kids. There we go. Beautiful Gulf of America. We live about 30 minutes from the Gulf of America here where we do the show. So there we go. Easy little drive for us.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Don't need the criminal aliens. Manned up and started my own family, right? And it's something that libs are incapable of doing. So that kind of explains it all. Also, I'm glad we played that Pam Bondi clip because it shows you how great the iconography is at the White House because they have all of the mugshots behind every single press hit today at the White House. If you could pop it up, we don't need to hear any audio, but you can see that there's criminal aliens in every single shot, right? So you can see that like, so every news company that does a hit from the White House, Klein, wrong video, does a hit from
Starting point is 00:12:23 the White House, you can see the mug shots of the criminal aliens. They're behind her. The one that we just played, Klein. The one that we just played. Okay. Well, we just played it. So, okay. Well, anyway, MSNBC is having a
Starting point is 00:12:40 total meltdown over this. And our, well, okay. Here's Peter Doocy. Good good example let's go peter ducey is live at the white house with all the details for us hey peter good morning and you can see behind us in the wider shot uh the north lawn is dotted with 100 yard signs that show illegal immigrant mug shots next to the heinous crime that they have been accused of. And if there are judges in this country who are trying to help these illegal immigrants, the 100 listed on the lawn, avoid prosecution, then the White House has a big problem with them, too.
Starting point is 00:13:16 That's very dangerous territory, and we have to be able to do what I ran on. I ran on a campaign of taking criminals out of our country, murderers, drug dealers. We have to be allowed to do it. Otherwise, we're not going to have a country any longer. A new Fox poll shows a majority, 55 percent, approve of Trump's job performance on border security, 40 percent disapprove. And at the bottom of this hour, Caroline Leavitt is teasing ahead. This week will officially mark 100 days of promises made and promises kept by President Trump, kicking off the week with a press briefing bright and early at 8.30 a.m. with Tom Holman. Tune in. Boom. So Tom Holman was at the press briefing
Starting point is 00:13:57 8.30 a.m., and that was early. We take press briefings on this channel, but that was a little off the schedule for us. Here's what we missed with Tom Homan. Judges helping illegals will go to prison. I said from day one, you don't have to support ICE's operations. You can support sanctuary cities if that's what you desire to do. Sanctuary cities can stand aside and watch ICE keep their communities safe. Because any public official, whether you're mayor, city councilman, or governor,
Starting point is 00:14:27 their number one responsibility is protection of the communities. And ICE has been clear we're targeting public safety threats and national security threats. I can't believe there's any elected official, and especially a judge, that doesn't believe we should be doing that and they should be helping us. What I said from day one, you can sit aside and watch, you can argue against us all you want and protest all you want. But when you cross that line, I've said this a thousand times, when you cross that line to impediment or annoyingly harboring,
Starting point is 00:14:53 concealing an illegal alien from ICE, you will be prosecuted, judge or not. We finally got the photos, man. It's so awesome. We finally got the photos. Here we go. They mean it. They mean it. Where are the arrests? Here they these are democrat judges these are elected democrat
Starting point is 00:15:09 officials in handcuffs and this is just the beginning carolyn levitt says the supreme court can come get it too is the supreme court protected against arrests uh let's listen milwaukee county circuit judge for allegedly uh helping illegal immigrants get away. As you guys look at other judges, would you ever arrest somebody higher up on the judicial food chain, like a federal judge or even a Supreme Court justice? That's a hypothetical question. Again, I defer you to the Department of Justice for individuals that they are looking at or individual cases. But let's be clear about what this judge did. FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT OR INDIVIDUAL CASES. BUT LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS JUDGE DID.
Starting point is 00:15:45 SHE OBSTRUCTED FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO WERE LOOKING FOR AN ILLEGAL ALIEN IN HER COURTHOUSE. SHE SHOWED THAT ILLEGAL ALIEN THE DOOR TO EVADE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS. THAT IS A CLEAR-CUT CASE OF OBSTRUCTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A LAWYER TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO ANYONE WHO IS BREAKING THE LAW OR OBSTRUCTING FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS FROM DOING THEIR JOBS IS PUTTING THEIRSELVES AT RISK OF BEING PROSECUTED, ABSOLUTELY. anyone who is breaking the law or obstructing federal law enforcement officials from doing their jobs is putting themselves at risk of being prosecuted. Absolutely. Supreme Court can come get it, too. Please, please. MSNBC, ladies and gentlemen, for a much needed salt that lib, we salt libs on this program. If you're new to the show, what we do is we just
Starting point is 00:16:21 put salt shakers in the comments section as a salty lib appears on screen crying over the fact that the White House put up the mugshots of criminal aliens in the yard today. Let's freaking go. Give me that salt. The White House has put up about 100 posters of what they say are unauthorized immigrants who have been arrested for violent crimes. You can see them there. They put them up on the driveway of the White House. If you look here, that's the West Wing just at the forefront, the executive mansion itself to the left. But what's particularly noteworthy about this location is it is right directly behind the positions where TV correspondents do their hits from the White House lawn. So therefore, no matter what network you're on, that includes MSNBC, if you're doing a hit from the White House right now, those pictures will be behind you. The White House doing a briefing in about a half hour about what they're doing here. Such a great troll. This is great. I got a buddy at the White House. We were we were
Starting point is 00:17:32 we have too much travel this week. We're supposed to be at the White House today. They're doing like special briefings and stuff today. We just couldn't make it work logistically. Sucks. We'll be back. This is something that we would have seen. This is the photo that I would have posted though, right here. The, uh, the rotund Dominican fentanyl dealer who has the photo that went viral and then turned into a hundred million memes right there. As you get onto the sidewalk to walk into the briefing room. So this is the final photo that every single reporter sees, and this is the meme. So it's just absolutely perfect. Here's the full list right here,
Starting point is 00:18:11 or at least you can see all of the crimes available. And we're really glad that we're finally getting a little bit of transparency here for people who have committed crimes. A lot of these people are murderers. A lot of these people have stolen and taken lives. It's completely evil, and we deserve answers, and the families deserve some type of closure, whatever you can possibly get. You'll never have full spiritual closure on these kind of things, but at the very least, you should be able to know that the person who did a bad thing to your family is being punished, right? So what about that Army Blackhawk pilot who crashed
Starting point is 00:18:48 into that commercial aircraft just a week after President Trump was sworn in? Now, we've snapped on this and gone and done a couple of shows. We've asked everybody who's sort of within range of this topic on our programming, what's going on here, and why we have no answers about this. Seems like we finally got answers. At the very least, we know what happened, and we know who is responsible, and our worst suspicions have been confirmed. Our darkest inferences have been held up. Sadly, ladies and gentlemen, this crash, according to the New York Times, and if you don't mind, let's pop up the New York Times article here, which you can tell the New York Times knows exactly who was responsible for the crash because they bury the lead is what it's called in the profession. Buried the lead. I did 15 years working for corporate media
Starting point is 00:19:47 in Washington, D.C. This is called burying the lead in this 5,000 word article at the very last paragraph. They say what happened. Why don't we read directly from the actual article itself? You're going to have to scroll a long way.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Poor Klein's going to get arthritis scrolling through this thing all the way down. the actual uh article itself you're gonna have to scroll a long way poor klein's gonna get arthritis scrolling through this thing all the way down look at how look at how far even at top speed yes down at the very bottom so here's what the article sets up the article sets up that Rebecca Lobach, Captain Rebecca Lobach, was on a training flight. She was training with Army pilots that were there to support her and to make sure that she gets her classification here. Rebecca Lobach refused multiple orders from her warrant officers, what they're called. Warrant Officer Eves is specifically the warrant officer who was giving her orders. She broke multiple rules and then inexplicably slammed her helicopter without any evasive maneuver into the side of a commercial aircraft. That is what the art, this article concludes.
Starting point is 00:21:16 I guess here's the big question. Why? Let me give you all the information and I'll, and we're just going to have to like go through what potentially might've happened here. All right. So, so to, to set this all up, the Blackhawk was on a collision course with the commercial aircraft. Klein, I hate to do this to you, but there is actually a map here within this massive article. Yep. There's a map that's right up near the top. You'll see it. There's the plane path. And then there's the helicopter path. This collision course up farther, this collision course is setting off massive alarms inside of the control tower. Now, the New York Times says that you could hire more more control tower operators. You think I'm going to have an argument with that? Of course not. Totally. Hire as many radio control tower operators as you
Starting point is 00:22:00 possibly can get your hands on. Totally. How do I support it? Where do I sign the petition? But that's not what the problem was here. Maybe it could have helped. But there was something else very dark, very mysterious, and very wrong with what was going on inside of that Army helicopter. As you can see here, and as we've shown you many times in various footage,
Starting point is 00:22:22 there's footage from the top of the Kennedy Center where you can literally see this helicopter going directly at the plane for miles. They were flying. It's like it's like this long lens. You can see the two is coming at each other for miles. What the hell is going on here? Look at this map from The New York Times. These suckers were just headed straight for each other.
Starting point is 00:22:46 What the hell is going on here? The radio control tower operator gets this massive alarm. Hey, these two aircraft are going to collide. Now, here's what's also very important here. The plane is doing something 100% legal. What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool.
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Starting point is 00:23:53 that did something atrocious, horrible, dark, and evil in this circumstance. One, the helicopter is flying directly towards the plane, As you can see here, the control tower starts hitting the alarm. The first alarm that it hits is, hey, you're flying way too high. The helicopter was not allowed to fly at the height that it was flying. The helicopter was at 300 feet high. It is illegal for those types of helicopters to fly at that altitude because there's so much air traffic. You're going to fly really low. Those jet planes don't come in low, right? So why was that? Rebecca Lobach was ordered, according to the New York Times, ordered to descend. She didn't. Why? I don't know. The article doesn't explain it,
Starting point is 00:24:42 but her warrant officer, who has twice as much experience flying these helicopters as her, said, get your plane down. And she didn't do it, which is crazy. And then here, ladies and gentlemen, let's just hop right in and read the article. Yeah, I'm sorry, but here I'm going to start reading. Direct immediate intervention was needed that night. Instead of seeing and avoiding flight 5342, Captain Lobach continued flying straight at it. I showed you the flight path.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Investigators might never know why. There's no indication that she was suffering from mental health issues or at the time a medical event affected her during those final moments. I mean, listen, if she had a seizure, let's say, or if some type of like she blacked out, well, then that man is just an awful situation where a pilot had something horrible happen to the pilot. People
Starting point is 00:25:30 have heart attacks. People have seizures. It is what it is. This is why you have a co-pilot. But there's no indication that that occurred here, according to New York Times. Two seconds after the controller cut out instructions about passing behind the jet, Warrant Officer Eves replied, affirming for the second time that the Blackhawk saw the traffic seconds after the controller cut out instructions about passing behind the jet warrant officer eaves replied affirming for the second time that the black hawk saw the traffic pat 25 has the aircraft in sight request visual separation visual separation was approved by the control tower so they had communication the control tower they said i see the plane i see the plane we see it we're going to go behind it.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Okay, fine. We're flying too high, but whatever. We're going to go behind it. That was their last communication. 15 seconds later, the helicopter on a beeline directly for the commercial aircraft. No deviation. No navigation. The tail doesn't even move on the helicopter, which is the number one indicator
Starting point is 00:26:26 if the helicopter is trying to do an evasive maneuver. It just slams right into the side of it. Blackhawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with the jet. Warrant Officer Eves turns his attention to Captain Lobach. He told her he believed the air traffic control wanted them to turn left. Turn left. Turn left.
Starting point is 00:26:42 Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and the flight. She did not turn left, turn left, turn left. Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and the flight. She did not turn left. This is the very end of like a 5,000 word article. What happened here? What the hell is going on? Bro, I'm so, I am so sick of lies. You got to release the radio communications from inside of the helicopter.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Those internal comms are absolutely recorded somewhere. What was going on? Why couldn't the warrant officer take control of the aircraft? Was he suicidal too? We don't know. Who was Rebecca Lobach? Well, she was an employee for Joe Biden. We know that as a matter of fact. There's actually a photo of her and Joe Biden and Alex Soros all together. I'm just stating what it is. It is what it is, okay? Put it in the chat. Yeah, these are the photographs. You can see Mitt Romney there on stage, and then you can see right over Joe Biden's shoulder there is Alex Soros in the glasses. The second photograph, yeah. So here she is.
Starting point is 00:27:52 She's escorting people around the White House. She was working at the White House. She was working for Joe Biden, and she was getting her training. Did she get failed into this position? Meaning did they have to have meet certain quotas in the military of female pilots shows she was was she promoted beyond her station that's something i'd like to get into why couldn't somebody take control of the aircraft i want to show you the
Starting point is 00:28:22 aircraft just slamming into the side of the commercial, the helicopter slamming to the side of the commercial jet. Here's a long view. I need the close-up view, please, for the next video. Look at this. The Army veteran Black Hawk pilot that we had on this show a month or two ago when this happened. This happened a week after Donald Trump was elected president. They said the tell here that something awful was about to happen is the tail of that helicopter. If you go back to this and just keep looping this, what you'll notice is that the tail of the helicopter, not only is the plane flashing
Starting point is 00:29:00 bright in the sky and we have the communications that say that they saw the plane, but you'll notice that the tail rotor of the helicopter doesn't go up, down, sideways. It makes no evasive maneuver. These helicopters are designed to get out of the way of RPGs. These helicopters are designed to dip, bend, and bow in war zones. They can stop on a literal dime. These helicopters are designed to get the hell out of there. In fact, if you're looking to avoid that plane, this is exactly the aircraft you want to be in because of its maneuverability, because of its evasive action.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Literally seconds, even just seconds before collision, if that helicopter pilot had decided to pull back, well, you probably would have prevented the collision even seconds, even seconds before, but they didn't. The tail doesn't even move. It just keeps flying and flying and flying. there was 11 children on that flight 11 kids 67 souls and they died because the helicopter rotors ripped through the fuselage
Starting point is 00:30:17 of the plane and the cabin of the plane which is like a tin can they died the most horrific death imaginable. What's going on here? We deserve to know everything. I've flown into D.C. with my family. You've flown into D.C. with your family.
Starting point is 00:30:35 It's a common airport. Just in this year, Klein and I have flown into D.C. like 20 times. Okay? Just 2025 alone. We've used this runway. We've been on this air, you know, this is American Airlines. It's what I fly all the time.
Starting point is 00:30:50 I'm sure you do too. We deserve to know more, but now we know who did it. We don't know why. So you're left to assume, I guess, two or three things. One, and here she is at the press dais, for instance, when she was working, I think she was working in communications with Corinne Jean-Pierre. I think that was actually where she was working, in fact.
Starting point is 00:31:15 I can't explain to you why, but Captain Rebecca Lobach, according to the New York Times, is 100% at fault here. Why would she do this? First, and probably the most generous explanation, total and complete incompetence. She should have never been behind that stick. She should have never been flying that bird. She was promoted beyond her station. She should have never had that position. Maybe she like froze out of panic or fear or just like zoning out. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:54 But that's the most generous explanation is that some type of DEI or some type of like forced promotional program that we've seen, that was wrought inside of the Biden administration that that put her in that chair and she was unqualified to be there. That's the first explanation. The far darker explanation that you just must assume given this New York Times report is that she was targeting the commercial aircraft.
Starting point is 00:32:27 I'm just saying what might have happened. At what point do you have to start asking the questions? Was she upset about Trump? Was she upset about the military? Was she having a manic episode? Given all available data, you can clearly see that the captain wanted this to happen. Because she flew right at the plane.
Starting point is 00:32:55 No evasive maneuvers, and with her co-pilots telling her, get the hell out of here. You're flying at the wrong height. You're flying directly at this thing. The control tower is telling us to get out of here, and they do nothing. Goodness gracious. I mean, you're just left to the darkest possible assumptions. Now, I don't know. I don't know. But that's what's going on.
Starting point is 00:33:20 I don't know. Here's what I do know. That helicopter targeted that commercial aircraft. You can see it. There's just no disputing the evidence. It's a horrible tragedy. This case is not closed as far as I'm concerned. I would really like to see the Pentagon get involved here.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Really like to see Hegseth get involved here. I know there's a lot going on. But I'd like to see what's happening inside of that cockpit. Maybe it would exonerate Rebecca Lobach, perhaps. The final thing I'll say, did she have a seizure? Did she pass out? Did something happen? Was there a horrible malfunction with the instrumentation?
Starting point is 00:34:10 And she couldn't maneuver the aircraft? She couldn't maneuver? Okay, prove it. Be happy to say that's what happened. As soon as they give me that data, as soon as they give me that evidence, and we review it, then it'd be like, yeah, that's what happened.
Starting point is 00:34:33 But until then, all we're left with is this footage and this article from the New York Times where they're clearly burying the lead. Burying the lead. This was big news yesterday. This was probably the biggest news of the day yesterday. Here's how it was covered in the media. ...revealing the mistakes that could have led to the deadly collision between a Black Hawk helicopter and that American Airlines passenger jet back in January. According to the New York Times, 15 seconds before the collision, air traffic control advised the Army pilot to turn left, but she failed to do so. A few seconds later, her co-pilot also told pilot to turn left, but she failed to do so. A few seconds later, her co-pilot also told her to switch course, but she still did not do it. Instead, the chopper
Starting point is 00:35:11 slammed into the passenger plane, sending both aircraft into the Potomac River, killing all 67 people between both the helicopter and the jet. Sucks, man. It sucks. All right. Well, that's the follow-up on that. We've done a lot of reporting on it. And we just got to say, this is, we're not satisfied yet. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to keep pressing.
Starting point is 00:35:37 And when we get our Pete Hegseth interview, when we're at the Pentagon, when we're talking to the spokespeople there, this is what I'm going to ask about. This is what I'm going to ask about. Maybe we should book him. You know what I mean? Maybe we should at the Pentagon, when we're talking to the spokespeople there, this is what I'm going to ask about. This is what I'm going to ask about. Maybe we should book them. You know what I mean? Maybe we should book the – what the – yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Whoever's in charge of this base or who's ever in charge of the Army, like I'd really like to get to the bottom of it. Where's the recordings? Show us what happened. Either exonerate or like tell the truth because there's a bunch of people dead. Okay. Yeah. Telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen, it is certainly what we do on this program. American financing is the truth, the true way out of spiraling credit card debt. It is the way that you can get off of the shaky ground of the economy as it is right now. Prices are stuck at really high level,
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Starting point is 00:37:44 it was a criminal alien from Chile. I don't know why they keep, why do they keep getting it wrong? This is literal, this is the, this is literal disinformation. We now have a perpetrator. The masked migrant who was arrested for stealing Homeland Security Kristi Noem's Gucci bag containing $3,000 in cash is a Chilean national who's previously busted for pickpocketing schemes in London. His name's Mario Lavia.
Starting point is 00:38:12 He's of Santiago, Chile. He was arrested in Washington, D.C. He made off with a luxury shoulder pad. That could have been a massive crisis for Kristi Noem. I'm going to need the guy's mugshot, please. This is what was inside the bag they had her id her driver's license her checkbook her medication her homeland security id so let's say this was not like a just a snatch and grab operation let's say this was something sophisticated a, just a snatch and grab operation. Let's say this was something sophisticated.
Starting point is 00:38:53 This person could have, I don't know, like replaced her prescription pills with something nefarious. This person could have grabbed her ID and potentially had access to all of DHS, which is the number one federal police force, meaning she has, Chrissy Nome has so many ongoing operations happening right now underneath her because she's in charge of ICE and Border Patrol, FEMA, TSA, Homeland Security Police. Anyway, the secret service immediately told every news outlet that it was a white guy that grabbed her bag. It was actually a criminal alien. And that's like more disinformation at the very least, like say like potentially Hispanic. I mean, why, why wouldn't you want people to find the guy? It doesn't make any sense. But of course, these are the people that told us that the sloped roofs in Butler or why we couldn't station agents on there to protect donald trump remember that the roofs they were
Starting point is 00:39:49 sloped and we were worried about the security of our agents i don't trust them i don't trust the secret service man i don't trust them i know that they're trying to make a lot of big changes and we're going to be patient with that but i don't trust them and here we go again, right? Disinformation. Anyway, like the greater question here is not that, but is this. How did some like doofus like this, some like slob, some criminal alien slob get within striking distance of Kristi Noem? Kristi Noem is one of the most protected people in America. She's one of the most high-profile positions in America. Again, she's in charge of all of this federal law enforcement. She has the highest possible Secret Service protection.
Starting point is 00:40:33 And this guy was able to, like, come within snatching distance of her bag. Hold up. Like, wait, what? Do you know any woman that would leave her purse with so many valuable items like in the middle of the street? No, this purse was very close to Kristi Noem. I don't know exactly where it was in relation to her. This was on Easter Sunday. But this purse was close to her.
Starting point is 00:40:55 So like this doofus, this slob is able to like just wobble over and grab it and nobody's watching her back. I think that's crazy, man. And I think that like, again, speaks to, uh, you need some real reforms at these agencies. So can you pick pocket Trump when he's under secret service protection? Can you just go like, go, go take his wallet, go take his phone, start tweeting. Some people on this, on our staff would certainly be very interested in getting access to Trump's Twitter account. But that can't happen, hopefully. But listen, you need reforms.
Starting point is 00:41:32 This shouldn't be able to happen. I can't get it out of my head that if something was more nefarious happening here, if this was a sophisticated state actor, that they could have done real damage. They could have really pulled something very bad off. Uh, the reason why is that there's of course so many people that would like to see something bad happen to Chrissy Noem. We're fans of Chrissy Noem. We've traveled with Chrissy Noem. The reason why we know this is that we've seen it happen ourselves. We've been
Starting point is 00:41:58 inside the bubble, as they say, uh, with agents at our front and back, uh, as we traveled with Chrissy Noem in a 10-car motorcade through Manhattan. Nearly 800 illegal immigrants. Illegal criminal aliens, thank you. Sorry, they're not immigrants. Yeah, including convicted killer and suspected terrorist arrested in massive ice raid in Florida. I freaking love this state.
Starting point is 00:42:21 This is why Chrissy Noem needs to be protected. Like, all the cartels and all the human smugglers, like look what's happening to them. Nearly 800 illegal immigrants, including violent fugitive gangbangers, were rounded up in a massive first ever sweep by Florida cops working with federal immigration agents, authorities said. Operation Tidal Wave is a joint effort between the feds and local police in the Sunshine State, needed just four days to lock up some of the country's most wanted criminal aliens, U.S. Immigration and Customs Force said on X. In the first of its kind partnership between state and federal law enforcement, ICE Miami and Florida law enforcement
Starting point is 00:42:55 arrested 800 criminal aliens this week. First four days of Operation Tidal Wave, a massive multi-agency immigration enforcement crackdown, the agency said on Saturday. Fantastic. Among those rounded up were members of the vicious MS-13 gang. No word yet on how quickly you'll have Florida Democrats having margaritas with them in jail. I don't know. The speaker of the Florida Democrats, the leader of the Florida Democrats, changed parties this weekend. It's crazy. He's, he's like, I'm out. And he gave this like blistering, this blistering like reason as to why he's leaving the Democrat party saying the Democrat party is totally dead and doesn't represent the people of Florida. So here we go. This is obviously very good, but it's a massive mess that we're going to have to clean up.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Feds bust 114 illegal aliens during a Colorado underground nightclub raid that was being protected by members of the American military, which is crazy. Over 100 illegals were busted during a raid at an underground nightclub in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The operation was led by the DEA, Rocky Mountain Division. They got nabbed up. But yeah, in the press conference afterwards, the police said there were members,
Starting point is 00:44:07 uniformed members of the armed services that were protecting this illegal criminal alien nightclub for gangbangers, which is absolutely crazy. Speaking of gangbangers, Joe Biden. Whatever, that was a weird segue. Yeah, that was weird. That was weird.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Joe Biden nearly fell directly on his face at the Vatican. If we can grab that video, we just got to pop it up. It was a very scary moment. Joe Biden needed to cringe and grab the arms of Jill Biden and of an elderly priest who was walking with him down the stairs. Joe Biden seated in absolute obscurity here at the Pope's funeral. I hate to make this a political thing, but Joe Biden made it a political thing by shoving himself in there. You'll see here that Joe Biden is seated 10 rows behind Donald Trump and nobody is around
Starting point is 00:44:56 him because being seen with Joe Biden is the political kiss of death. Speaking of the kiss of death, you can see that Joe Biden is seated behind the guy there on the white turban. He is the, who is that guy? Is he very important? Is he a head of state? He is the Iranian minister of culture and sports. That's who that guy is. So that's how important the Vatican thinks Joe Biden is. Joe Biden is sitting behind the Iranian minister of sports and culture. Total humiliation, but also a lot of fake news here. They went after President Trump for wearing a blue suit. Turns out that a lot of people were wearing a blue suit. You can see plenty of blue suits here. Joe Biden was wearing a blue tie. They lost their minds on this. Here you can see, I don't know, dozens of blue suits. It was complete fake news. This was the outrage cycle.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Zelensky wore a track suit. He also met with Trump in a little sit-down meeting, and Donald Trump says that peace will now come. This looks like a very, very different Zelensky, a very humbled Zelensky. Hopefully that happens. The statement of this show is, peace, peace, peace in our time, please.
Starting point is 00:46:03 So here we go. ladies and gentlemen this is uh this is joe biden uh tripping and then we are set with tom fitton who always be tripping bro look at this joe biden wobbly needing to grab hands as he goes down the stairs they wanted this look look at the desperation and how they how they uh how he tries to play it off as like no i'm not about to poop my pants that was the word that was the word mtg came on the show and said that joe biden she has credible sources that tell her that joe biden crapped his pants the vatican i think the vatican was punishing joe biden for being so creepy with uh the pope that one time.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Just one final thing before Tom gets up. And I don't actually know. I don't know. Oh, yeah, and he farted in front of the queen. Yeah, that was Camilla saying that. Very weird news cycle. Like, one more thing. Give me that photo of him, like, doing the really weird head thing with the Pope.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Dude, it's so creepy. Like, Joe Biden, like, is a's a freaking crypt keeper like coming in trying to steal the pope's life force everyone went after jd vance like oh wow jd vance the grim reaper nobody had anything to say about this moment horrifying look at it look at what this guy's doing to him the pope's in a wheelchair stay the hell away javier malayay here, like, looking at this, like, cringing. Javier Millay is like, what the hell is happening? Joe Biden, like, absolutely diseased, syphilitic, looking like a leftover prop. Looking like an almost, like, too scary prop
Starting point is 00:47:36 for the Haunted Mansion, Disneyland. Look at Javier Millay, president of Argentina, like, what? What? What is he doing? So creepy. Sniffing the Pope? Like, he of Argentina, like, what? What? What is he doing? So creepy. Sniffing the Pope? Like, he's really, like, getting in and sniffing the Pope? Bro.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Maybe that's why Joe Biden was seated way in the back. That and many other reasons, ladies and gentlemen. Joe Biden, you've never met a president who claims to be Catholic that has passed more laws or endorsed more laws that are totally and completely antithetical to the church's teaching, to what he's supposed to believe.
Starting point is 00:48:15 It's a super weird vibe, man. And this is, Trump's only the second president to ever attend a Pope's funeral. Like why Joe Biden felt the need to like shove himself in there? I don't't know but i'm glad he's getting roasted somebody who has uh regularly roasted every regime and is actually applying a little bit of pressure to the trump administration something that we talk about often uh that it is important to have good trouble and good pressure
Starting point is 00:48:41 on an administration even that you support is the great Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch who joins us right now Tom I don't know are you a Catholic I I don't know that I am Catholic okay my old joke with Pope Francis was I was more Catholic than the Pope uh I I was not raised in the Catholic tradition. I have a lot of love for the early Christian church, the iconography of it, a lot of deep respect. But as somebody who's not a practicing Catholic, I just wanted to get your take perhaps off the top here on the Pope's funeral, President Trump using it as almost like a world leaders summit,
Starting point is 00:49:19 which I think is incredible, bringing peace maybe in Ukraine, using the Pope's funeral to do that, which is awesome. And then Joe Biden's weird obscurity there. You know, fundamentally Catholics may, non-Catholics may not remember this or realize this. The Pope is a priest.
Starting point is 00:49:35 And so this is a mass in celebration of a priest and his life. I didn't agree with him on a lot of things. I think he confused the faithful, which is terrible, but obviously had the respect of many in the world. And to have his funeral result in peace efforts, that speaks well of divine intervention
Starting point is 00:50:01 and those who recognize the moment and trying to take advantage of it, meaning Zelensky and President Trump. Yes. Was this like an unnecessary L for Joe Biden? Again, like if we just pop up, Joe Biden did nearly fall. I think they had to make up some hoax about Donald Trump's blue suit when about a quarter of the people there were wearing blue suits to cover up for this because this was just embarrassing, man. Well, you know, Joe's an unpleasant guy and, um, he's not going to, uh, be cowed and anyone who thinks that because of his evident cognitive disability, he should be given a free pass. This is another indication. He doesn't care what you all think he's going to do what he wants to do wants to do because he thinks he's untouchable. And I think he should
Starting point is 00:50:51 still be prosecuted by the Trump administration for his at least mishandling of the documents that he stole from the Senate. He got a free pass there from the Biden regime. And all those pardons and all of them are, in my view, null and void. I call them the empty set pardons. And the prosecution should proceed as if they're invalid. Wow. And make them challenge that at where? Like the Supreme Court? I mean, I guess you'd have to find a... I mean, use it as a defense. In researching the issue, it looks like a pardon could only really come into effect when the verdict is read, meaning you can be found guilty, but there would be no punishment. So yeah, why not challenge – why not push that? Why not just like just drop a prosecution on Dr. Fauci, right? Joe Biden.
Starting point is 00:51:44 Or Adam Schiff or Milley or fauci yeah exactly you know yeah yeah mark millie that's exactly right dude you told the chinese what we were going to do during a during a mil a moment with heightened military security you were literally ratting out the american military to the chinese you're a traitor dude you're gonna go to gitmo joe didn't tell us what the pardons were for so how how can we not proceed? That's exactly that's such a great point. Wow. We're going to keep we're going to start pushing that, Tom. Thank you for that. Maybe, Tom, you can help us out with this one. They're locking up people for harboring criminal aliens. Why not charge Joe with harboring 11 million criminal aliens? I mean, didn't he do that? It depends on the analysis of his job
Starting point is 00:52:24 as president. Was it part of his duties and responsibilities or the failures? Probably not. Certainly, Mayorkas can be charged, in my view, or should be investigated. Everyone who helped Biden allow this invasion of the United States, I think, should be seriously investigated for their roles in undermining and really contravening the rule of law. It does make a lot, it does kind of, when you realize how deep and how dark this entire rabbit hole is, we've put up the photos of all the judges in handcuffs here, please. I mean, I'm glad to be able to put up some photos of powerful Democrats in handcuffs. I'm sure this was a relief to you as well, Tom.
Starting point is 00:53:10 I wanted to get your take on this. Pretty wild when you listen to the stories here. They were treating these criminal aliens and gangbangers like their own children. They were doing everything they could to, like, have them live with them, have them use their own judges' quarters, human-smuggle them out of the courthouse. It's insane when you hear what these judges did. Yeah, that Wisconsin judge is really something else.
Starting point is 00:53:31 And what she did was so contrary to judicial ethics. Read about the rule of law. Just as a judge, I'm a commissioner on a judicial ethics commission here in Washington, D.C. The president appointed me. And I'm aghast at what happened there. And the Wisconsin state authorities need to take a look at what he did, what she did there. And not only did she place the law, federal law enforcement at risk, but remember, he is a violent person. He was alleged to have engaged in essentially murderous conduct. He nearly killed two people,
Starting point is 00:54:07 according to what he was charged with, and nearly beat them to death. And this woman helps him evade capture from federal authorities? It defies explanation, other than you should be serving long prison sentences because this is what happens when you do that, right? And the governor of Wisconsin, all of these politicians of the left all endorse this lawlessness. Whose side are they on? They're not on the side of
Starting point is 00:54:36 Americans. They're not on the side of the rule of law. And you have another judge in Wisconsin talking about keeping people in jail so they won't be deported, people have lost their minds with this anti-Trump animus. And if it means the country collapses, they don't care. And if it means people get harmed and hurt and killed, they seemingly don't care either. It does bend itself. And I know Stephen Miller's talked a lot about this, and there's been a lot of viral posts on this. But it really does set the table pretty crisp and clear, Tom. We don't have a country, right? If one administration can bring in 20 million criminal aliens to the country and the next administration can do nothing about it then you're gonna your country's
Starting point is 00:55:25 over it's if it it's cooked i'm not a doomer but i am somebody who says well that's that's not gonna work unless there's mass deportations the country's over and they really need to get to the mass deportations i think my impression is the trump administration's operating on capacity but the judges are getting in the way, local state authorities are getting in the way. And when you think about the numbers, let's say it's 10 million. I remember doing the calculation, so forgive me if it's off since then, but 5,000 or 6,000 people a day need to be deported just to remove the Biden invaders alone. And if those folks are not deported, the country is changed politically
Starting point is 00:56:06 necessarily because they get counted unless the law changes or President Trump changes the counting. They get counted for purposes of the census. And it means that blue states benefit, get to keep and increase power in Congress and get more votes in the electoral college system. And so this is why the left is desperate. It's not even about them voting. Their mere presence increases the political power of the left. And I don't think the Trump administration is anywhere near those numbers. No, and they need the help of Congress to get near those numbers.
Starting point is 00:56:41 You know, 800 over four days in Florida, that was a massive operation. They're going to have to deploy the military, I think, more fulsomely here in the interior to get these folks rounded up and removed as the law requires. And we're going to have to figure out a way to have local law enforcement provide more support so this can get done. But in the meantime, it's going to be, if the left gets their way, decades, because they want each of these people to go through a court process that's the equivalent of the O.J. Simpson trial every time President Trump wants to deport someone. So they're deploying this operator. This is like the new Russiagate. So they had an ace in the hole, right? They had a black card in the pocket if President Trump won the first time, and that was the Steele dossier and Russiagate.
Starting point is 00:57:39 And this seems to be their ace in the hole. This seems to be like what the plan was. We're just going to prevent Trump from engaging in the executive powers altogether. It's not just this. It's pretty much every executive order is now being stopped by a judge. You can't have a president, right? I mean, there is no president if a judge can just do that to everything, every single breath Trump takes. You know, and that was their that was their view.
Starting point is 00:58:03 And when he was president the first time around. He can't fire FBI directors. He can't engage in foreign policy. He can't do the things that presidents typically are able to do. And the great thing about the new Trump, the new Trump administration, is he's doing so much more than he tried to do the first time around. So the positive is he's doing so much more. The negative is the courts are interfering so much more in what I believe to be a coup against the Constitution, where judges are inserting themselves and taking power the Constitution doesn't allow them to have. So inserting yourself into a controversial issue here, Tom, is Judicial Watch's suing of, I think, the Trump administration or at least like the FOIA request for all of Epstein's documents. We have the posts up here, and this is something that is –
Starting point is 00:58:58 What's controversial about that? It's speaking our love language. I was just about to say this is speaking our love language. Like you have to – sometimes you have to motivate your friends to do the right thing. Yeah. You know, there was this issue of the documents getting released in February and some controversy around that. And both the attorney general and Cash Bond and Cash Bondi. Right. I'm complaining that Cash Bondi. So the team highlighted how the FBI or someone up in New York in whatever office interfered with that document release. So we wanted documents about what happened there.
Starting point is 00:59:32 And plus we want all the Epstein records. And we've been getting the hand to the face, no response. And we do what we do. We sue for the records. And let me put it this way. The best way to release records of a controversial nature, in my view, is through FOIA, because it allows the people to see what documents are being withheld and why. You know what the redactions are about. If there's a court process in place, there's accountability as to the timeliness of what's going to be released, if it's going to be released at all. Who did the searching? Where did they look? What other documents are out there? All of those questions should be asked and answered with these document releases. And that's what we aim to do with Epstein. And I don't want to just get the files of
Starting point is 01:00:22 those who were involved with him. I also want to know how he died, the circumstances of that, the coverup of it, all sorts of things going back. And, uh, and I'm hoping we get start getting some answers and we get a more, we get a process going that reassures the American people that the truth and accountability is being taken seriously. So, so you're not getting anything yet no i don't think we've gotten a document yet i mean we sued two weeks ago and we asked back in february we still haven't gotten anything so in the end the justice department is releasing some other documents which
Starting point is 01:00:56 are good but uh i you know if i were advising pam bondy and'm not, because I'm not in the Justice Department, I would have her team hyper focus on FOIA and transparency, so there's a process in place that she doesn't have to get personally involved in to ensure that document requests about the current crisis, right, whether it be the lawfare against Trump, the Epstein, you name it, Fauci, whatever the issues, the Biden gang, that is just handled forthwith and released as quickly as possible. I know I'm going to ask you to speculate here, Tom, but you've been doing this business for a very long time. You're famous for Bill Clinton's taking a UV light to Bill Clinton's sock drawer. Very dangerous work you've done in your time.
Starting point is 01:01:51 And so you know the sleazebags better than most. Why? Why does it take so long with these Epstein documents? Your thoughts on what the actual op was there. What's the holdup? Well, first there might be a lot. Um, there's always a process that they tell the politicals they have to go through in order to release the documents. And there's always excuses and reasons to withhold information. I tell you what's not holding it up.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Prosecutions. It's it's that's not interfering with this process. That's an E. It's easy for them to tell us we can't confirm or deny their documents or the release certain documents are going to interfere with potential or ongoing criminal investigations. That's that's not an issue here. What it is an issue here
Starting point is 01:02:45 is the inability of government to follow FOIA law. And I think hopefully our lawsuit will get the leadership of the Justice Department and the FBI to focus on it. I mean, the day we filed the lawsuit, someone for the Justice Department, one of their FOIA officials, sent us a letter saying, oh, by the way, the Attorney General's office has no records about the request you asked. But we asked for records about her communications about this whole issue. And, you know, there's got to be records. So I don't know what's happening over there, but it's a challenge. I understand it's a challenge i understand it's a challenge but they gotta get the documents over the public are interested in it you know i can't help it the public wants to know this info tom you've been on the show so many times the viewers love you they know you like spit real fire uh this ain't going away like you're a realist okay like this
Starting point is 01:03:41 isn't going away virginia roberts died by suicide this weekend that's right she's of course she's of course somebody who witnessed clinton the royal family she got huge payouts she was so real that they were paying her tens of millions of dollars from the royal treasury in england because of what happened with her and prince andrew and she just like after being hit by a bus in the middle of nowhere, Australia, she then dies by suicide, man. Like this is the kind of stuff that makes people go, what is happening here? No, we filed a lawsuit. She dies by suicide. And because people are concerned that documents are being withheld, people think there's a connection between the two. And I don't necessarily believe there is, but it highlights the urgency of getting these documents released.
Starting point is 01:04:30 When you don't release information and hide information, especially contrary to law, I mean, we're suing because the Justice Department wasn't following FOIA law. People can draw their own conclusions about why those records are being withheld. We all went through the reasons, right? And I told you why maybe, but I don't know that for sure. It could be corruption. It could be someone in the Justice Department, a deep stater, is stopping it all for coming out by making up fake reasons for withholding it. It could be that they don't want to release it for other reasons that are political.
Starting point is 01:05:02 I don't want to release it for other reasons that are political. I don't know. But all I know is there's a process in place and they're going to have to follow it because the court's going to ask him what's happening eventually. Tom, just very briefly here, we have San Anatar coming on right after you. He's the investigator behind Letitia James and all of the crisis that she's under right now. I'm sure that you've looked at it all. Just wanted to get quickly your take on Letitia. Is she boiling in hot water here, man? You know, she says she has documents that contradict the analysis of the federal agency that referred her for criminal prosecution. Well, she should tell that to the judge and to a jury. But in my view, this is the beginning, ought to be the beginning of serious criminal investigations into the abusers of Trump.
Starting point is 01:05:49 And that's something, again, I will encourage the Trump administration, the Justice Department to spend more time and energy on, which is to focus on those people who tried to destroy our country, not 10 years ago, not 20 years ago, but last year, by trying to jail Trump and other innocent Americans. And the American people want them held accountable to the full extent of the law. And I'm not seeing any indication there's a serious criminal investigation going on into that mega scandal. Yeah. I mean, great. You know, the JFK stuff, all those, all that evidence is gone. All those people are dead. Like let's go after some crimes that we all witnessed, like just a
Starting point is 01:06:31 couple of months ago, everything from the Trump assassination to the people trying to put Trump in prison, the assassination of Trump in many different ways. Let's, let's go after those people, please. Yeah. Tom Fittitton of judicial watch is the man who actually does it right a lot of people come on here and yap yap yap tom actually puts action behind it that's why you gotta follow tom man he's got 3.1 million subscribers here on x get on in there tom is uh one of the absolute brawlers in washington dc my uh producer my my in-studio producer here his name's klein he He does jujitsu. He says he thinks you could scrap.
Starting point is 01:07:07 He thinks he was looking through the profile. I was like, all right. As long as he stays away from my face. Yeah, I don't know if you spar or not, Tom. Nobody knows. Do you? I'm not sure. Oh, man. You spar? You grapple, Tom? Not with all those young guys. No way.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Okay. UFC fan, Tom? I don't know. Everybody follow Tom. Oh, man. Okay. Thank you, Tom. Godspeed. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, back by popular demand, joining the program, Sam Antar, with new bombshell revelations about what Letitia James is up to.
Starting point is 01:07:49 Big Tish in the big slammer. Let's go. Sam, I messed that up, dude. I did. I messed it up. It should have been Big Tish in the big house. All right. What was I thinking? Well, you're not a pro like me on television. That's right. You had a great Newsmax hit, Sam. And obviously the audience loved you and you were very, very thorough. And you were able to break this down in ways that we could understand. There's been some new revelations. And Tom Fitton was just on saying a big tish in trouble. Talk us through what's happening now in this case. Okay. There's a few things going on. Let's, can we recap the case before we move forward?
Starting point is 01:08:36 Okay. There's several aspects of this case. First of all, there's a, there's a property located at 296 Lafayette Avenue in Brooklyn. She is continuously represented it as being a four-unit building when it's actually five units. In other words, the certificate of occupancy says there's five units. The electrical service says there's five units. And I went there with a friend of mine, Joel Gilbert, another researcher, and we saw five doorbells. Okay. Now, she can say, you know, well, one person occupies two apartments. That doesn't make it four units, it's still five units.
Starting point is 01:09:12 The ruling document is the certificate of occupancy. And she's trying to get around that, but she can't. Now, the reason why the jump from four to five is so important is because the underwriting standards on a five plus unit building is much more stringent when it comes to mortgages. In other words, she'd have to pay more for her mortgages. So each one of these false documents that she signed were for her personal financial benefit. And this is a pattern that's been going on for 20 years concerning this building,
Starting point is 01:09:49 40 years concerning another building that she owned. Also, in addition to that, there's insurance fraud. Insurance underwrites buildings with four units less stringently than they underwrite buildings with five units. The reason being is that buildings with four units less stringently than they underwrite buildings with five units. The reason being is that buildings with five units are considered commercial buildings. Now, that is part one. Part two is various mortgages on this building don't appear in our financial disclosures and then appear and then unappear. Also,
Starting point is 01:10:24 there are mortgages that do appear on our financial disclosures to then appear and then unappear. Also, there are mortgages that do appear on the financial disclosures to New York State, but don't appear in the property records. So there's another major inconsistency going on as it relates to her filings with New York State, her financial disclosures. That is 296 Lafayette Avenue. She has another building at 3121 Peroni Avenue in Norfolk, Virginia. She purchased that building in 2020. When I first started out looking into her financial disclosures, I noticed that that building that she purchased in 2020, all of a sudden she discloses two mortgages in 2023. She has consistently said that the building
Starting point is 01:11:14 is worth between $100,000 to $150,000. The property tax assessment is about $180,000. You go to Zillow and all of those other things, It's about 180, 190. When she took on those two mortgages, they totaled 250 to 400,000 according to their disclosures. Red flag. You're taking on two mortgages, right? That are about one and a half to two times more than the value of the property. So I dug deeper and then I found that there was another mortgage she had on the property. Altogether, she had three mortgages on the property, totaling $510,000, as much as $510,000 on a property she values at most $150,000, or you go to Zillow at most $200,000. So that's a problem. Now, the interesting thing about that property is the
Starting point is 01:12:06 two mortgages she disclosed in the financial disclosures to New York State don't appear in any of the property records. When you go to the property records, you find this mortgage that she took when she purchased the property that appears in the property records, but doesn't appear in her financial disclosures. So explain that. Then you have a third property, 604 Sterling Street in Norfolk, West Virginia. That property she purchased with her niece or relative, whatever she wants to say it is. Okay. Now in that property, she signed a power of attorney saying that she intended to make it her primary residence. Now, this was right before the Trump trial. And according to the mortgage documents, both parties, her and her relative that bought the property, had to make it into their primary residence. Not one, both. Now,
Starting point is 01:13:13 did she really intend to move to Virginia a month before the Trump trial or during the Trump trial? were enduring the trump trap of course not now when the mortgage documents were filed it was underwritten as if both parties were going to occupy the property and this power of attorney that she attested to actually she swore to which was witnessed by somebody when they were in her own offices jennifer levy i think her name is within her own office that it's Jennifer Levy, I think her name is, went in her own office. That was filed with the mortgage. Now, then comes the referral to the Justice Department, and then the rebuttal from the sleazebag Abby Lowe. He says, well, you know, there are documents that we're going to show you. We have documents that show that she didn't intend to make a primary residence. And he points to an exhibit.
Starting point is 01:14:08 And she writes an email before, right, before she signs the power of attorney saying that she didn't intend to make it a primary residence. And it's an email to a broker. So the emails before she signs that she intends to make it a primary residence. So automatically the latter document,
Starting point is 01:14:34 the sworn specific power of attorney, cancels out whatever she said earlier. Then he says there's another document afterwards where she also asserts it's not going to be a primary residence, but he doesn't produce it in the exhibits. Now, even if, let's for the sake of argument say he made a mistake. He didn't produce that extra document in the exhibits. Fun. Okay. At the end of the day, no matter what she said in the emails, that mortgage was on the basis that she and her relative, both owning the property's joint tenants, were going to occupy that property within 60 days as their primary residence.
Starting point is 01:15:21 Case closed. Case closed. In other words, this is fraud in the inducement. Now you can ask me anything you want. Okay. Okay. So here we go, Sam. That was really thorough. Okay. So what happens next? I mean, we haven't heard anything from the Justice Department here. You're not going to hear that. People go, I get these snidey comments on social media. Well, where's the indictment? Where's the indictment? Okay. Let me give you from my personal experience. In the Crazy Eddie case, the feds started investigating us in 1987 in January. Do you know when the first indictment came? 1993. Now, I don't think it's going to be that slow, but people think that it's like a two-hour movie. You start in the
Starting point is 01:16:12 beginning investigation, and by the end, the criminal ends up in jail. It's going to take them a while to accumulate. What they're going to do, based upon my experience, I'm working on both sides of the war, is that they are going to subpoena all the banks, all of the mortgage brokers, right? All of the title companies, they're going to interview them. They're going to take notes. They're going to probably, you know, do depositions if necessary, and they're going to get to the bottom of it. But at the same token, the documents speak for themselves. Every single financial disclosure to New York State as far back as 2019 contains false information with her signature on it. Every single mortgage on her property in Brooklyn from when she purchased it contains false information. The Virginia property, she claims like the power of attorney that she signed was a mistake, you know, whatever, implicates her.
Starting point is 01:17:20 The situation that she has is she put pen to paper. I didn't. Donald Trump didn't. MAGA didn't do it. You didn't do it. She owns this fraud. She did it. Now, people are saying, well, Antar's a convicted felon. You can't trust him. Like, it's a big secret. I could have done arson yesterday. That still doesn't change the fact that Letitia James, over a period of at least 20 years, no, actually 40 years, including other properties, has a pattern of signing documents that contain false disclosures that accrue to her financial benefit. End of story. Call me anything you want, Pisher, whatever. I don't care. This is her problem. So it does seem like this is a spiraling problem. There was a video that went viral last week of a reporter for the Daily Caller wandering up to these homes in Virginia, drove out there, and not too happy, the residents of these homes. They were enraged, actually. They were yelling and screaming, and they definitely were not Letitia James.
Starting point is 01:18:32 You can hear them on the tape here. We'll just play like a couple of seconds of it. Hi there. I'm a reporter with the Daily Caller News Foundation. I'm sorry my kids are around here i understand we we mean we need no trouble we're just curious who who the occupants of the home are because there's about who's occupants that's none of your business well okay connections first of all we're just i'm not sure audio off please thank you mute it um i'm not sure you're not trespassing by standing on a sidewalk we do this all the time actually and by the way myself and joel gilbert another researcher who's done very very good work in this case also uh visited her residence in brooklyn that's virginia
Starting point is 01:19:18 on um on sunday took video and it's going to be out. He's going to have it out by tomorrow or today. We went to the property. We examined the, in other words, we went to the scene of the crime, actually, and we examined the property, and that's where we found five doorbells for five units. In addition, I've examined Con Edison documents that show five electrical services for five units. And of course, you have the certificate of occupancy. The evidence speaks for itself. When she's trying to say, well, there's always four. Listen, the governing document, as any competent lawyer is going to tell you, is a certificate of occupancy.
Starting point is 01:20:06 And every single, she wants to say, well, it's an accident. It's a mistake. Oh, okay. Give back all the money you saved from the mortgage companies. Okay. Because of the false underwriting that you took out. You're in default on every single one of those, every single outstanding mortgage today, she's in default on because it contains material omissions. Just really quickly here, Sam, how cooked is Letitia James? Should we expect the handcuffs that we've seen on various high-ranking Democrat officials across the country happening last week? Should we expect that? I mean, will we actually get the handcuffed moment here with Letitia James? I don't know what
Starting point is 01:20:45 will happen i can't predict the future but all i can say is whether or not they handcuff her the she's guilty the evidence shows that she's guilty uh i most likely they are going to handcuff her and most likely they are they are going to arrest her most likely they are going to arrest her. Most likely, they are going to indict her. But irrespective of that, the documentation speaks for itself. And if they can't bring a case against them, shame on them. They suffer the humiliation. I stand behind all the research that I've done. And all of the research that i've done shows that she's guilty of mortgage fraud uh violating new york's state financial disclosure statutes mail fraud wire fraud whatever you want
Starting point is 01:21:33 to call it i'm not a lawyer but she is guilty she is guilty of signing for documents that contain false information that she financially benefited from. And she can't get out of that. Ladies and gentlemen, if you want actual truth on this and from somebody who really understands this issue, and we're not exactly sure why Sam is so obsessed with this, but it's fascinating. And he is rock solid here. And I hope they call him as a witness of quite frankly, you got to go follow Sam. He's just the best best on this he's gone completely viral and he's got the receipts 57,000 Americans already follow Sam Antar and you should be one of them thank you Sam for fighting for this is just great you just you just you're golden you're golden man one day I hope to be as popular as you are
Starting point is 01:22:21 we uh we hope to be as good as you are. I'm only kidding. We hope to be as good as good at investigating corrupt Democrat officials. Let me just say this quick thing, OK? I didn't target Letitia James. Yeah. I didn't look for her. I didn't go after her because her tit for tat with Donald Trump,
Starting point is 01:22:39 which I really don't give a shit. The reason that I went and examined Letitia James is for quite a while, I've been examining financial disclosures of New York State and New York City politicians. I ventured upon her and that's when the big red flags showed up. This was not something I've looked for specifically. This was part of an ongoing process that I involve myself in. I've been doing this for 30 years after Crazy Eddie's, after I pleaded guilty in the Crazy Eddie case. I've worked for government agencies, from the FBI, IRS, DOJ, you name them,
Starting point is 01:23:18 I've pretty much worked for all of them. Ladies and gentlemen, Sam Antar, please come back as soon as there's any updates here. We very much look forward to it. Anytime you'd like. Your pleasure. God bless. We've got an itch on for more handcuffs. So thank you, Sam. Godspeed, sir. Thank you. Godspeed. Ladies and gentlemen, if you had a weekend like mine, you are certainly itching for some caffeine this morning. That was me. It was a rowdy weekend. A lot of family and guests in town and so on and so forth.
Starting point is 01:23:58 Man, it's just a lot happening right now. It's fun and it's exciting. I'll be so bored i think right when all my kids are up and out of the house or like a little bit older you'll be so bored when you know when eventually there won't be a trump presidency although donald trump's saying you might run for a third term this weekend again so ladies and gentlemen we'll be talking about that by the way with our next guest mark mitchell of Rasmussen Reports. But first, caffeine is what we need in the mornings. It fills our cup. It's right here. Blackout Coffee, as you know, has been our longtime partner on this program for our caffeine
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Starting point is 01:26:10 Always an honor. And Trump third term. Whoa. Okay, some people would say that's not going to happen because Trump's too unpopular. Look at all these polls. He's just, Terry says, things are going horribly.
Starting point is 01:26:23 And then I like talk with everybody who's MAGA, and we check the chat on this show, for instance. And people don't think things are going horribly. People love what's happening. Your polling is out proving that anecdotal contention to be correct. But I'd love for you to dive a little more into it. The table is yours. Well, I've been saying this for weeks now, right direction. That's the number to watch, not Trump approval. But I wake up every day and there's another PSYOP. And today the PSYOP is for Donald Trump's 100 day, you know, anniversary of his inauguration. They're trying to, excuse me, paint the narrative that he's unpopular. And, you know, he's doing fine. Like, this is what people voted for. We asked Americans, is this what you voted for?
Starting point is 01:27:06 We literally used those – like that phrase exactly. Eighty percent of Trump voters agreed with that. And so right direction right now, 42 percent, still above 40, really high. And today marks 13 consecutive weeks of right direction at 42 percent or higher. The biggest record before has been seven weeks in a row in all of our 20 years of polling and so people are looking at this and saying you know yeah i expected a little bit of chaos trump's chaotic but i'm happy with the direction that things are going like happy like this is top you know 95 percentile happiness with the direction of the country right now
Starting point is 01:27:43 and so they're trying every trick in the book again. If you look at real clear politics, all of the mainstream media like network, cable, TV, news, pollster types, they just dropped turds this morning. Like their first double digit underwater Trump approval is almost like they coordinated it. And it was just to drive headlines that he's unpopular. So, you know, like, is it just like going right back to 2024? Is it going right back to 2020? Is it just like you just got to like start the machine all over again and produce fake polling results? It feels like August, September, like it feels exactly what happened.
Starting point is 01:28:22 It's like, oh, we got a new entrant into the race, Kamala Harris. Let's see how the polling is going to do. And my numbers, it tightened a little bit, went from, you know, Trump plus five down to about Trump plus two. And my numbers stopped there and everybody else It's going to fluctuate, I think, around plus or minus two. But everybody was with me. They were with me two or three months ago saying that Donald Trump came in in the low to mid 50s and this is exactly what they're doing. My number stopped and theirs are going to keep on going left. And of course, the mainstream media on top of that is going to be this information gatekeeping layer if you look at like for instance um you know Quinnipiac uh the last one they had was negative 12 a month ago Quinnipiac was negative 12 then and guess what that was the headline they used Quinnipiac well their numbers haven't moved and so now it's um they're going to use Reuters they're going to use ABC Washington to put you know negative 13 negative 12 negative 14 you got them up there. Those are all new.
Starting point is 01:29:25 They all dropped over the weekend. I joked about it on Twitter. I wonder if they're like slapping each other on the butts and saying good game after this coordinated like dump of polling. I think that's probably what it is. And what's really wild to me, if you have it available is the Google search trends of Trump. Oh yeah, we got it you already got it you already got it loaded this is one of the most stunning things that tells me a psyop is happening because when those search this is organic search volume of trump approval and it's like oh wow it's
Starting point is 01:30:00 spiking if you look at the numbers it's second or third highest month in all of Google's search history, going all the way back to 2004. But look at Obama. Look at Biden. Look at Bush. Nobody cared about their approval. There's something very specific about Trump. And there's something very specific about right now, where it's like, well, we know cynically, they don't have really much political power. And so all they have is their mouthpieces just drone away, trying to undermine the anti-establishment candidate. That is, this is remarkable. So the green is Bush, the yellow is Obama,
Starting point is 01:30:35 the blue is Trump term one, and the red is Biden. That just falls right off a cliff after Afghanistan. Would you look at that? That's remarkable. So right after Afghanistan, it's like they shut down all polling into Joe Biden because it was so atrocious. This is very interesting. Well, I think what happened is like there was this binary gut check decision where everybody in America was like, oh, like Joe Biden sucks. So they don't
Starting point is 01:31:00 really need to like Google it anymore. But, you know i i think also probably the media wasn't driving traffic telling trying to convince people that he was popular they just sort of gave it up but just look at the overall value though i mean when he was uh sworn into office at really no point were people more interested in biden approval than they were in trump approval during trump won it really never got there. And so all of a sudden, Trump gets into office. All of a sudden, all the levers of power are threatened again, and everybody's searching for Trump approval. And it's because they're seeing scummy headlines, and they're trying to check the mainstream media information that's getting pushed down their throats. And then it's just a self-licking ice cream cone because they'll
Starting point is 01:31:42 publish a fake poll with really bad disapproval numbers. Yet there's no Trump supporter that I know that disapproves of what's going on. There are some people that have frictions with this or that, but it's not like he's lost his base, right? Yeah. Well, I think what you're seeing is a lot of these are shady methodologies. They're using online panels. There's massive response biases. And in reality, I don't think people change their minds very rapidly, especially not based on the media. I think Biden changed a lot of people's minds over his four years and turned them into Trump supporters. But what happens is if you look at some of these bad pollsters, they were running
Starting point is 01:32:18 33% approval ratings for Joe Biden. And the truth is it never really got that low. We're the only ones that poll approval every day, day in and day out. Lowest we ever saw him get was 37. But most of the time, he was like between 40 and 43. And that's what you'd expect for a country that 49% almost went for Kamala Harris. And so the fact is, is that everybody was running around cheering two or three years ago when Quinnipiac drops to 33% Biden approval rating. And now they're like revolted when they Trump, they drop a Donald Trump, 33% approval rating. Like, what do you think's going on there? But looking at internally into the polls, even the New York times, like it's also scummy. They've been missing in action for months. Like, I don't know what happened to Nate Cohn or why they haven't had budget, but they have not been
Starting point is 01:33:02 polling. And so they come out of the gates with this first big poll, 900 registered voters, only 730 actually completed the entire survey, really small. And if you look at the subsample, their independents are like plus 17 Democrats. And they actually have like, it was 16 or 17% of the poll didn't even vote in the fall. And so there's, it's a really small sample. So just like not even looking at whether or not their thumb was on the scale, it's all like crap and noise. But what happens? It's dropped right before the 100 days, along with everybody else, almost like they coordinated it. Because I could tell you, ABC News, CBS, like Fox News Reuters, these numbers are the biggest like negative numbers they've put out.
Starting point is 01:33:47 And so they waited. They waited right before 100 days. So because we are here at the precipice of the 100 days and President Trump will be doing a big mag rally tomorrow. Tell me the truth, Mark, something that you've done this program before. And you are the most accurate pollster we've ever had on. What is where is President Trump? Like, how's he tracking? He's tracking sort of in line with like a Barack Obama. Is this correct? Yeah. Yeah. Like a couple of caveats. We've got polling going all the way back to 2003 on approval rating daily, only once, still doing it daily. And the fact is, if you stack up all the presidents compared to each other, one president stands out doing it daily. And the fact is, if you stack up all the presidents
Starting point is 01:34:25 compared to each other, one president stands out. And it's not Donald Trump, it's Joe Biden. So we've overlaid the charts and smoothed out the variations. And much ahead in 2008 and 2009 was a very unique time. I think that there was a lot of relief that the great financial crisis was being addressed in some way, I hesitate to say fixed. And people were happy that everybody came together and elected the first black president. And so the first couple of months of Obama term one, he had a phenomenally high approval rating. But if you strip those six months out, Donald Trump won. And what looks like the first couple of months of Donald Trump, too, like really track very closely with how Obama polled for all eight years he was in office, really.
Starting point is 01:35:10 I mean, he got a little bit of a bounce on his second inauguration, but they're neck and neck at like, you know, 45% to 50% approval rating presidents, which is kind of what you'd expect for a relatively divided nation with information war going on 24-7 and basically gridlock Congress. Except Joe Biden, there you go. You put it up. He's that lighter blue line, and it's on the bottom. It's the low one. And I'll tell you, this is not what real clear politics looks like. If you went there, you'd see that Joe Biden's approval rating is on average four or five points higher than Trump's. Not in ours. We have Joe Biden lower for most of the time. You can see early in Trump's first term, it got down to the high 30s as well. That's when they
Starting point is 01:35:56 were doing all that fake Russiagate collusion hoax stuff. And then Biden's got really low also, and it's the FJB and Afghanistan sort of period. And Biden never really recovered, but Trump did because the economy was picking up. People were super happy. I mentioned that we had a previous record of consecutive weeks of right direction above 42%. trump's first inauguration the summer of 2018 and also uh people were really happy sort of the winter and spring of 2020 until the bioweapon was released on everybody that is a fascinating put it back up please and that is just absolutely fascinating to see how this is tracks and how just in the dumps joe biden was i was credibly informed that he was the most popular president in history. Wow. No, no, certainly not. He got, although he did get the highest turnout in recent recorded
Starting point is 01:36:50 presidential history. Really, really strange. Just, it's just the rapture you see, Mark, we missed it. 20 million Americans just disappeared out of the polling booths. Yeah. It's just a, yeah, it's just a little, it's a little religious thing called the rapture of Democrat voters. Yeah. Okay. Never mind that 28% of Americans admitted out of their own mouths that they committed at least one form of mail-in ballot fraud. But whatever. Yeah, but whatever.
Starting point is 01:37:17 You know, yeah, sure, okay. Yeah, get through the first deportation rounds, mass deportation rounds, and then start investigating that. Okay, so then this is a very interesting trend line for President Trump. So President Trump rides in on a high, then gets destroyed by the corporate media and propaganda machines, and then claws his way back with it,
Starting point is 01:37:38 with achievements. Do you see that same trajectory happening this term? No, I don't even think he's going to go below 45, like maybe for a little bit here and there. That's the thing. It's like, what are they going to come up with that is going to fundamentally, they have to undermine trust in a significant portion of Trump's border MAGA Republicans or 75, 80%, like mostly MAGA. And so what are they going to come up with? It has to be videos that they've been working on and holding for a decade or maybe like World War III, everybody's going to circle the wagons. Maybe if we get like that Black Monday that they tried to convince us was going to happen and the stock market goes down 20% to 30%.
Starting point is 01:38:24 I don't even think that most Americans really care that much about the stock market. It's just that the media gets whipped up into a frenzy. So maybe a consumer recession, maybe some kind of black swan economic event, maybe they'll finally get the golden BB hoax that's going to work because none of this other stuff really has. Well, I mean, this is the way, like all we do is check the comment section. And there are people, not gonna name them, there are people who are unpopular and very popular inside the administration, but it's never a revolt against Trump.
Starting point is 01:38:58 And everyone has some people, everyone has their own critiques, but it's never like Trump's losing voters. And everything that we've seen online, again, not going to name people who've literally promoted fake news on X and went viral for it. Like they have to make up people leaving MAGA, right? They have to actually fraudulently create, I'm a Trump voter and I'm so angry. I'll never, I'll only vote Democrats now.
Starting point is 01:39:23 No way. It's not happening. And I just don't see the Democrat party. And maybe this is something we can end on here, Mark. I don't see the Democrat party on the trajectory that they're on. Earning anything back, right? Like you'd have to have like this really sobering, come to Jesus moment, literally, and ditch all of the woke crap.
Starting point is 01:39:42 And they're tripling down on it man and it's like aoc running hard uh to be the chief racehorse it it doesn't seem like they're going to do the the the the mobilization towards the middle like bill clinton model that would be necessary to try and like peel off any maga voters maybe i'm out maybe i'm out of touch i don't know what do you think well no i i mean this is key and i do do think they're I don't think they should be dismissed, but I do think they're in a tricky situation. I did some analysis on my site that said that did look like or on my Twitter feed. Forget about approval rating and just look at the share of voters that Donald Trump was able to get to convince to come to the polls and support him. And Donald Trump's second term actually
Starting point is 01:40:26 stacks up really well against other prior presidents who have won. He actually edges out JFK in the number, the proportion of voters who he convinced to vote for him. But it's much higher than his first term. So people saw the first term. I like that. I want more of that. And so they're going to double down. They wanted more of Trump. It was not the same way with Obama. He came in stronger than he went out, let's just say. And so people have to compare and take a breath and look around and say, well, OK, you might not like Pam Bondi, but remember Jeff Sessions. And I do think that Twitter doesn't represent real worlds. I think it represents the front lines of an information war. And so there are people probably rightly like whipping folks into a froth over things that they would like to have happened by now. And I maybe I'm guilty of some of that as well. But I think it's because I understand the huge opportunity of this stuff being released and what it might do on people's opinions and maybe shift the country even more. But people have to chill. One of the people we're talking about, presumably, is Pam Bondi. And it's like, okay, she hasn't been in the job that long.
Starting point is 01:41:29 But we asked about her favorability. This is just like a week and a half ago. And she's got 42% favorable to only 34% unfavorable among all likely voters. That's pretty good. A quarter of them have no idea who she is. But among Republicans, it's 63% to only 18%. And only 8% have a very unfavorable impression. So Twitter, again, is not the real world. There's, you know, the 100 million voters out there aren't chewing their nails about whether or not the Epstein list is going to get released. I think that's just, you know, sort of the loudest folks. So because of what you just said there, it sort of like locks into a question that I have to ask here again in closing here, Mark, is that this individual who has come up with, we didn't think that, we didn't think we'd ever hear more accents
Starting point is 01:42:26 than we heard from Kamala Harris on the 2024 campaign trail. But lo and behold, lo and behold, I have a very short 15-second clip to play you, and you'll hear like at least five different accents in this AOC frontrunner in the 2028 Democratic primary. And I just want to get your take on that. Here we go. Donald Trump is a criminal who was found guilty of 34 felony counts of fraud.
Starting point is 01:42:58 Oh, the inflection. Liable for sexual abuse. Abuse. Of course he's lying and abusing and manipulating the stock market too. Oh no. French, I think. I think it's French. When he talks about rapists and criminals, you should look in the mirror.
Starting point is 01:43:19 How about... Et tu, Mark? Do you think that she's going to be the nominee? No. But again, we're talking about the really tough situation there. I said this on their show. I think that the crisis they had was authenticity. And the problem is that even if they come up with a good platform a good answer
Starting point is 01:43:46 that no mag is not right you can use our platform it would be better at responding to all the needs and wants of the voter people aren't even going to believe them they're going to be well you were just trying to get men you know to compete in women's sports and you can't just turn a corner and say no we're not for that all of a sudden. And we've seen Gavin Newsom try and they rip him apart on Reddit. So even if they did, I don't know if it would play out. But you have this situation where like AOC, you know, I was going to say before you showed that clip, like she is to some people authentic, right? But her platform is objectively like horrible. It's not the one you'd want.
Starting point is 01:44:23 It's like the one you'd want. It's basically communism. And then so it's like, well, if they have an establishment Democrat that can come up with a good platform, it's going to lack authenticity. So they're in this catch-22. And again, with the numbers, it's a catch-22 as well, because in my polling, Kamala Harris among Democrats is still the frontrunner. Problem is, is that if you look at the betting markets right now, she's not doing well. It's like 5%. Gavin Newsom and AOC are the front runners. Problem is in the polling, they are not leading. So it's like, what's going to happen? I don't know. But there's a huge vacuum. And there's a really great opportunity for some
Starting point is 01:45:01 intelligent, authentic, you know, outsider to come in and say, you know, we're going to clean up the Democrat Party. We need to. You guys didn't do it. I'm going to do it. And I have authority. And that's one of the reasons, you know, I talked about this. We pulled on it like a month ago. Stephen A. Smith doesn't do that bad. Like he only trails Gavin Newsom and AOC by a couple of points in Democrat primary, three and four points respectively he only trails kamala harris by it was under 20 points that's really incredible considering that she you know came as close as she did so wow wow i mean maybe they should just go with shannon sharp you hadn't thought about it and it's like you know stephen a smith it's just just go all the way and go Shannon Sharp. Get the 100%, you know.
Starting point is 01:45:47 Go the full distance, right? Yeah. Okay. Very interesting. Mark, it's always such an honor to have you on the program. You always bring such clarity in these moments. We can only pray for a, I guess, careful what you wish for, but I think it'll be very entertaining, I suppose, a wide-open Democrat 2028 primary process.
Starting point is 01:46:10 Mark, thank you so much. Everybody can follow Mark here at Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen Reports. He's got hundreds of thousands of followers. Look at that. There you go, Mark. Fantastic. He just hit last night. He's the most accurate man in polling, and you should follow him.
Starting point is 01:46:26 And Godspeed, Mark. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks, buddy. Great to be here. Ladies and gentlemen, this is time for announcements, right? So we've got to go to the West Coast. We're going to be going on Adam Carolla's podcast.
Starting point is 01:46:49 We're going to be speaking at CPAC in California. And we're going to be doing some special projects. And so while we will be live for big things like President Trump's MAGA rally for the 100 days yesterday, this was a fantastic announcement. It's going to be a wild rally tomorrow, so I really hope that you'll tune into our channel. We'll be live with that. We're going to be releasing a schedule,
Starting point is 01:47:17 and we're going to be doing our very best to be live during the show. Tomorrow, we cannot because we will be traveling. That's the only way you can get from East Coast to West Coast. Commercial is just like blowing out your day with an eight or nine hour flight. That's just the only way to do it. It sucks, but here it is. And so we'll be live for the MAGA rally tomorrow instead. So we're going to do a show tomorrow for the MAGA rally that will be in Michigan. So ladies and gentlemen, please lock in. That'll be 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
Starting point is 01:47:53 We'll be on West Coast time. And then again, we'll be doing a lot of different events and having some really, we're really excited to be doing this CPAC panel with a number of Hollywood producers and so on. We're gonna be locked in obviously and still a number of Hollywood producers and so on. We're going to be locked in, obviously, and still doing tons of content, so stay tuned. But this is, well, you got to be out there, right? You got to be out there in the world. You got to be fighting, as much as I love our cozy little studio here. Speaking of fighting, our verse of the day,
Starting point is 01:48:20 Psalms 3419, the righteous person may have many troubles, but the Lord delivers him from them all. That's right. In fact, it is a guarantee that you're not getting picked on by the universe. It is what Killer Klein calls a life tax. That's right. Yeah, okay. I like that. It's a life tax. It's a guarantee that you're going to have troubles in life. The scriptures are very clear about that. So don't get down. Don't get sad. You're certainly not the first person. You're not the first guy with troubles. You won't be the last.
Starting point is 01:48:51 It is a guarantee of living in a sunken world. The only thing you can actually do to buttress against it, to muscle through it, to keep moving forward, is to keep moving forward and to make sure that you have
Starting point is 01:49:07 faith in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The Lord will deliver him from them all. That's right. Let that be your rock. And ladies and gentlemen, we're going to rock and roll here. Thank you for watching. It's your boy, Benny, see you on the West Coast. I'm a tourist. Tourists don't run. Joint assistance, please. Wait, wait, what is he? He said hang. What does he stand? Hang. No, no, he means watch.
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Starting point is 01:50:55 Bringing liberty to life. From the speeches to the baits, Benny's sharp like a blade. Cut me through the lies, watch the truth cascade. With the warrior's heart, this man never fades. You know it's prime time when Benny invades from saving the nation to stories untold the Benny Show's a storm, see the truth unfold stay in the loop, let freedom take hold salt in all the libs, soul never sold
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Starting point is 01:51:38 Former MLB All-Star Sean Casey, a.k.a. The Mayor, keeps hitting it out of the park. Take my 30 years of experience. Take the wisdom and knowledge I've learned from the failures when I got sent down my rookie year, all the injuries I had to overcome. Your mind is the most important tool you have in life. Be relentless. Keep charging. It matters how you talk to yourself, how you look at the world.
Starting point is 01:51:58 That matters. We talk about that. I don't know. I'm fired up. Baseball's back, and it's going to be incredible. I love it. The Mayor's Office with Sean Casey from Believe. Follow and listen on your favorite platform.

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