The Benny Show - Mike Benz Blows The Doors Epstein Files: Who Was Epstein REALLY Working For? ‘Darker Than the CIA…

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning. Today is Friday, February 6, 2026. The fallout continues from the Jeffrey Epstein saga. Now the Labor Party in the UK is firing various staff and members of its elite who have been found inside of the Epstein files. What will happen when it gets all the way to Prince Andrew? And why hasn't anybody lost their job, their role, or their livelihood here in the state? Why have there been political ramifications in places like Slovenia where a member of parliament had to resign? Finland, the UK, but nothing here in the United States of America. All we have is Bill and Hillary Clinton having to testify. We talked about that yesterday with Jamie Comer. Well, we're going to discuss the nature of Jeffrey Epstein and what he actually created
Starting point is 00:01:07 while he lived his heinous years here on. this earth with a man who knows very much the dark corners of the life of Jeffrey Epstein, and what was the actual operation that was being run? Mike Benz will be joining the program, I think probably the best way to describe him, is a historian of all things interesting and a man who always brings the receipts, and he will do so today live on the show. My name is Benny Johnson, and this is The Benny Show. Ladies and gentlemen, we have been running this week.
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Starting point is 00:03:14 Wanted to hop on over here and chat with you about something remarkable that happened on our program this week that I loved. And it was Alex Jones saying that the Epstein Files is truly the Rosetta Stone of exposing the occult. and exposing Satanists, frankly. And he likened it to a battle between good and evil and that all President Trump needs to do is to lean in on the releases inside of the EFSI documents and they would be so totally and thoroughly discredited, indefensible, the public would be scandalized
Starting point is 00:03:57 and that the globalist elites' heads would explode because now the public would see them for who they truly are. And I found it remarkable that Alex Jones, in talking about this, the occult activity inside of the Epstein files, was followed up by Joe Rogan, pretty much saying, you know what, Alex Jones was telling me about all this stuff for 10 years. And 10 years ago, I thought he was insane. And now it turns out he was wrong. right. He was right about all of it. And so should President Trump lean in? Well, we kind of saw that at the prayer breakfast yesterday. Donald Trump saying that prayer and Christianity is the secret weapon of America. Here's Joe Rogan saying Alex Jones has been right. He was the guy who
Starting point is 00:04:48 told me about Epstein's Island more than a decade ago. And I thought it was the craziest thing I'd ever heard. I was like, what are you saying? There's an island. Like, it sounds like a plot in a movie. There's an island where they fly or famous, rich. scientists and politicians and they compromise them with underage girls and get it on film so they could use it against them like what that sounds like horseshit that sounds like lizard people it sounds like you know 5g creates COVID same thing yeah but turns out it was true and it's one of many things he turns out it was true hearing him explain it like that you're like now what man if they only just had trap doors you know if you could just if you just add one of
Starting point is 00:05:32 final thing to the villainous, cartoonishly villainous, straight out of central casting nature to all this, it would be a trapdoor. And lo and behold, in searching in our Epstein Files, relentless pursuit of the truth, we have found ourselves a trapdoor. Not only that, we found ourselves looking at a series of emails, hundreds of them, that proved that Jeffrey Epstein was utterly obsessed with the ton of under his island leading to this trapdoor. This is the trapdoor on Epstein Island. Some people have speculated as to a nefarious nature,
Starting point is 00:06:12 but you can see in what are literally hundreds of emails, Jeffrey Epstein's obsession with a secret tunnel maze underneath the island. Now, is there any evidence these tunnels actually exist? Ah, yes, yes, in fact. Well, one of the earlier and early is, attempts at storming Epstein's island and trespassing on it shows this, clearly a entry point to a subterranean terrestrial portal to something. It's just like a door. But it's gleating
Starting point is 00:06:58 somewhere. Where does it go? What are these tunnels used for exactly? Another concern. The conspiracy theory turns out to be true. Epstein files show disgrace, financier obsessed with tunnels under his pedophile island. Yes, he was constantly obsessed with tunnels. Now, we've read to you and shown you many of the emails that suggest or just overtly declare that Jeffrey Epstein or his inner circle were murdering people, torturing people. and discarding people. This is an allegation that was sent saying that there are two foreign women
Starting point is 00:07:43 who have been buried on the Zorro Ranch out of New Mexico. They were strangled, mutilated. Here are more allegations. This is from Jeffrey Epstein. I think these aren't allegations. This is just like, just believe what they're writing in black and white.
Starting point is 00:08:00 No one will lie to me and get away with it. No one. I give you permission to kill him. Oh, okay. I mean, all right. Here's Martin Nowak. Martin Noak is a Harvard professor to Jeffrey Epstein. Did you torture her?
Starting point is 00:08:20 Keep this name in mind. Where are you? Are you okay? I love the torture video, says Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, okay. What do you want me to do to her? Do you want me to torture her? Says Jeffrey Epstein.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Oh, all right. I'm starting to sense a little bit of a trend here. Another trend you could sort of suss out of all this, something that Mike Benz has talked to us a lot about. He'll be joining in just a moment. He said Jeffrey Epstein was clearly somebody who was working with or on behalf of the intelligence community. Last known photograph Jeffrey Epstein. He's wearing an IDF shirt. Jeffrey Epstein, winking and nodding at Israeli Prime Minister Ahud Barak, literally winking.
Starting point is 00:09:05 I'm not Mossad. No, you're Mossad. No, I'm not Masad. No, you're Mossad. Here's a confidential human source report from the FBI saying that Jeffrey Epstein trained as an Israeli spy, very detailed, by the ones. And that he was in Israel training as an Israeli spy, and this was at the direction of the Israeli prime minister. Israeli prime ministers get special privileges, by the way. Here, I found a photo of BB Netanyahu. That photo has been blacked out.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Strange that. ladies and gentlemen what could these tunnels what could the obsession with the tunnels be exactly man this is scary it is in fact scary remember that Harvard professor
Starting point is 00:09:46 Martin Nowak he was emailing obsessed with bringing a specific woman to the island going back and forth about travel details
Starting point is 00:10:00 did you torture her Martin writes to Jeffrey Epstein. Martin says, our spy was captured after completing permission. Dude, what? Wait, what? Torturing and discarding of spies? Not because it get too crazy here, but isn't what the trap doors about?
Starting point is 00:10:28 Apparently, this goes into shark-infested waters. I don't know. I play the Joe Rogan clip because it's like, he says this is straight out of a spy movie. This sounds like it's straight out of a Hollywood screenwrite. And yeah, including the trap. door, the espionage, the spying, and the slavery and torture. U.S. Attorney's Office memo says Jalane Maxwell for selling girls into slavery and torture. Harper Business Professor Martin Nowak's emails to Jolane Maxwell.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Thanks for her for her hospitality, and he says, I'm so happy that I didn't kill anyone. Thanks again for your hospitality. Here we go. Dear Jalane. But they're so proper here, by the way. Dear Jalane, I'm so happy that I did not kill anyone. Thank you for your amazing hospitality. My perspective on life has changed summit.
Starting point is 00:11:17 The world's perfective on Jeffrey Epstein has changed someone. And the man who has changed it has been on this program many, many times. And he is somebody who has told us about this ecosystem and did so bravely when virtually no one was talking about it. And has, I mean, even up until up into a dinner I had this week, like informed me, as to the nature of Jeffrey Epstein and his relation with the CIA. Alex Jones banged his fist on the table and said it is all, it all ties back to the CIA. That was the funder of Jeffrey Epstein. That's where it all originates from. And the man who really has the receipts on that truly is Mike Benz, who joins us live.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Mike, welcome back to the program. Congratulations on a very successful week. 48 hours ago, I was having dinner with RFK Jr. and he asked the question the table where where do you think epstein actually got his money and r fk junior says that he'd met epstein and he did you know he's big in left wing funding circles right and he did rfk junior gone there and and he said he said he said he still has no idea where epstein got his money i said the cia dude les wexner cia transporting aircraft vehicles drugs guns uh for the cia in the airfields of ohio and that's because of you mike you educated me And so I thank you for that.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Sorry, I'm getting feedback. I can hear my own voice just at five. Okay. So the thing that I think the Epstein moment gives an opportunity for the American people to understand is that when you say money from the CIA, there's a difference between being paid by the CIA and being. and facilitating a CIA transaction where there's something in it for you. So, for example, Jeffrey Epstein got his, in terms of where he got his money, the New York Times attempted to answer this question in something like a 20,000 word report. And they said, oh, it's no mystery at all.
Starting point is 00:13:36 He got it because he made Bear Stearn's partner very quickly within four years in 19, from 1976 to 1980. and the reason he moved up so fast was because the head of the firm set him up with his daughter, so he's dating the boss's daughter right away. And then he kept working with Bear Stearns on deals, on deals, on deals, on deals continuously for the next 31 years. And it was these deals that made him wealthy. And then they proceeded to not mention a single deal name. And the thing that, I mean, they interviewed three of his bosses.
Starting point is 00:14:19 They interviewed about like a dozen different personnel who worked with Bear Stearns. And they said, oh, they put him on the most lucrative deals. And he was untouchable within Bear Stearns because he was dating the CEO's daughter, the same senior executive who recruited him to Bear Stearns in 1976 and 1978 became the CEO. And this actually does make a lot of sense. I've worked with investment bankers a lot personally when I was a corporate lawyer and even corporate law firms adjacent where our clients were the investment bankers. It works a very similar way in terms of people can be untouchable in the firm because of various nepotistic relationships and things like that, regardless of how skilled they are. But the fact is, is the most lucrative deals at the time in that firm would have been the transactions involving BCCI.
Starting point is 00:15:12 BCCI was the CIA's bank. It was it was created in Pakistan in 1972 and then in the late 1970s it began to be radically upscaled with massive deposits by the CIA and the NSA in order to wander money to run guns to the Mujah Hadin in Afghanistan by way of Pakistan. And BCC, Bear Stearns was there were three parties in this. There was on the one hand you had the actual money launder, which was this Pakistani bank. It was what the Senate Intelligence Report referred to as the bank of banks within BCCI. His name was Capcom. You had the bank that cleaned the money, BCCI, a totally fraudulent bank that went down in flames after all this came out. And it was Bill Barr and Bob Mueller who whitewashed this thing. Bill Barr wrote the pardons.
Starting point is 00:16:12 for the six BCCI officials who were indicted on this. Okay, so they, I mean, this is how far, in the 90s, okay, in 1991, 92. And Bob Mueller was who the left wing press was blaming for blocking investigation into just how deep the CIA role went because they maintained all these accounts. There was firsthand testimony from the branch managers of BCCI
Starting point is 00:16:38 that they frequently spoke with the CIA to covertly, structure the funds so that it wouldn't look like it was coming from the CIA, but it was regular contact and upkeep and maintenance from CIA case officers and their contacts. And Mueller and Barr blocked that 30 years ago, now 35 years ago. And that was a Jeffrey Epstein transaction. Bear Stearns cleared about $13 billion in modern currency of transactions of a CIA bank involved in trafficking, cleaning drug money and other illicit sources of fund and using clean cash to buy guns to fund Islamo terrorist groups.
Starting point is 00:17:27 And then what you see very quickly is, by the way, this explains why the State Department leased out the second largest property in New York City to Jeffrey Epstein after. they seized it from the government of Iran. Because in 1979, when Iran turned over, Epstein was involved in all these Middle Eastern deals. Gun deals, like I've mentioned many times, this network runs through something called the Safari Club, as well as Iran-Contra.
Starting point is 00:18:00 But it was this money network. That explains how he got Adnan Khashoggi, the world's most prolific and richest arms dealer, as his client. It explains how he had clients in the UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the United States, because those were the main countries involved in the Safari Club. It also explains, for example, how it is that Jeffrey Epstein's deal with the State Department broke up. You know, we've talked about, Benny, go ahead and try to go on Airbnb and rent a property directly from the Department of State. Or, you know, I don't know, I can count on zero fingers.
Starting point is 00:18:39 how many people I've ever even heard of that can personally rent property directly from the State Department in New York City after they seize it from a foreign government. But the fact is, is Jeffrey Epstein got in trouble because he sub-leased that property to two people, one, a lawyer to a lawyer for the defendants in the pizza connection and for the defendants in the French connection, drug cases that have strong links to the central intelligence agencies. These are both cases that involved this illicit activity where there was drug money that was being cleaned to support proxy wars. And I can go on and on for his whole career through the Towers Financial era in the late 80s to the Les Wexner era.
Starting point is 00:19:28 I mean, Leslie Wexner, for example, is the largest donor to the Harvard Candy Center. The Harvard Candy Center is the CIA's number one playground on American universities for recruiting spies. And then on the Israel side of it, who was, you know, as I mentioned, Epstein ran the money for Adnan Khashoggi in the mid-1980s. Well, who was the head of Israeli military intelligence during this operation? Now, again, that was a Saudi middleman for a transaction between the United States and Israel.
Starting point is 00:20:01 So this was American intelligence and military intelligence, working with Israeli intelligence and military intelligence with Saudi money in the middle. And Epstein is running the money for the Saudi middleman in the middle. So he's talking, there's two sides of this. There's the BCCI-CIA bank. And then there's the Israeli side who gets the money, runs the guns into its smuggling network at that time in Iran. Well, the head of Israeli military intelligence from 1983 to 1985 was a hood Barack.
Starting point is 00:20:37 We know, we knew before these files dropped that Ahud Barak visited Jeffrey Epstein's house or residence at least 47 times and had done business with Ahuduq, private business in everywhere from Russia to Mongolia to Cote d'Ivoire to the U.K., to the U.S. itself, a company called Carbine 911, a government contractor. And all of this was on military tech. the same sort of evolution of arms dealing that Epstein appears to have been involved in from the very beginning of his career through BCCI and Bear Stearns. What I'm getting at is this, you can understand the Epstein network as being this kind of joint U.S. Israeli money and
Starting point is 00:21:27 influence network that has all these allied partners in the middle who he's also doing deals with. and that I understand Epstein as a favor bank financial fixer for private funds and secret intelligence agencies. And this is something that I really think is an important moment for people to understand. Take BlackRock, okay? BlackRock is the largest asset manager on planet Earth, $10 trillion of assets under management. As I think we've talked about in the past many, the chairman of the Black Rock and Investment Institute is a guy named Tom Donnellon. He's also the vice chairman of Black Rock.
Starting point is 00:22:10 He was the national security advisor for Barack Obama. So he was the Marco Rubio equivalent for Barack Obama. And it proudly says on his Black Rock bio that he won the CIA's Director Award. Now, the New York Times reported that Joe Biden did not first ask Bill Burns to be his CIA director. He asked Tom Donilon, but Tom Donalon had just joined BlackRock and said no to CIA director. Instead, I'm going to be the vice chairman of Black Rock. Obviously, it makes a lot more money. You know, you're making about 250K with no outside ability to make income, as CIA director, I can only guess what the vice chairman of Black Rock is making. But the fact is
Starting point is 00:23:01 Black Rock's deal making decisions, its portfolio investments, the currencies, it goes long on or shorts, the debt instruments that it scoops up. They compete in a market. And that market is determined by who has access to inside information. And whoever can trade on national security secrets before the market can, wins the market. And everything else that goes up on the basis of that, they get in early and they get out before the bottom drops because they know from the inside what the U.S. government is doing. Like Wayne Gretzky said, you skate to where the puck is going. If you know that the Department of War is about to invade Iraq, if you know that the Central Intelligence Agency is about to topple the government of Belarus, if you know that the, the
Starting point is 00:23:54 the State Department is about to sanction, you know, the banks in Nigeria. Well, then you know, but way before the market does, to buy, invest in oil pipeline infrastructure or the companies that you know are going to get the contracts for that oil in Iraq. You know to short the currency of Belarus. You know to, you know, basically short financial institutions in Nigeria. And this is exactly what we see in dozens of these Epstein files emails. The Lord Mandelson scandal that's playing out right now in the UK is an inside access story
Starting point is 00:24:34 where quite literally you have the finance minister who is administering a bailout that is dominating the news, giving advanced knowledge to the guy with a huge fund who can trade that market overnight while the market is still hesitant because they don't want to bet one way or the other because it's high magnitude, entire currencies could fall, entire countries could go into default or they could get saved
Starting point is 00:25:02 and you don't know whether to take a big bet one way or the other. Well, if you know as a matter of certain fact that from the person doing that classified deal, then you get to make a huge amount of money in the market. And you also, and what I'm saying is, is this is the same thing that played out in the late 1970s, early 1980s,
Starting point is 00:25:26 where you had this web of private financiers and intelligence agencies serving the highest levels of government. This is what played out with deals in the Middle East. You know, documented many, many cases of that as well, even beyond Epstein. This is what was happening in the 1990s during all the accords around Camp David.
Starting point is 00:25:48 this is within the special economic opportunity zones that are being set up in countries, if they did a certain amount of business with Israel at the behest of the United States. You need a fixer class to arrange those transactions, to herd the cats of donors. And there's an amazing audio file where Jeffrey Epstein was secretly recording the man who was then the head of the Israeli military, long-time friend Houd Barak, who Epstein surely would have known of, if not worked directly, in the 1980s while he was working on the extended BCCI transactions
Starting point is 00:26:31 in Iran-Contra-related transactions, because Houd-Berach 40 years earlier, 35 years earlier, was the head of Israeli military intelligence then. But what you have is a secretly recorded audio tape from 2013, where Houd Barak is still the Minister of Defense, their equivalent of Secretary of War, their equivalent of Pete Hagsat. He's still running the Israeli military,
Starting point is 00:26:55 but one month later, he will leave and go private and make millions in the private sector as a private businessman, a civilian now. And before he goes and makes the jump, he has a conversation with his fixer, Jeffrey Epstein, who tells him, stop marketing yourself about, you know, how good you are at doling out government contracts about, you know, to, for, you know, the best tanks or iron dome type stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Nope, nobody cares about what you're good at. The only thing that matters is who owes you favors. I want you to create a human index of I owe you. People who owe you something. They owe you a job. They owe you their life because you help them out of something. They owe you a favor. If you remember the 1987 book, Bonfire of the Vandies, there's an incredible chapter in there called The Favor Bank. And it describes the crookedness of the New York City criminal justice system. And the whole book is a kind of disillusionment of how justice works in New York City.
Starting point is 00:28:08 And there's a whole chapter that explains the inner workings of of how it got corrupt and how the system works. And it's called the favor bank. And it's about how all career advancement and all decisions within the New York district attorney's office operate through a favor bank system. Everyone wants to put a favor in the favor bank for the people that are higher up and the people that are on the outside whose jobs they want to apply to afterwards. So that those people owe them favors in the form of a job.
Starting point is 00:28:41 in the form of some sort of sponsorship or some sort of financial relationship. And so the prosecutors in the district attorney's office do not make prosecutorial decisions on the basis of what justice is. They make prosecutorial decisions on the basis of whether it places a favor in the favor bank for people up and over them. And Jeffrey Epstein represents the over them side of that. equation. My concern, you know, Joe Rogan asked me, are there other other Epstein's out there? And I said, there's a million of them. In the State Department, there are these Jeffrey Epstein figures who
Starting point is 00:29:23 loom around you in the think tank world, in the NGO space. I ran the Cyber Bureau with, you know, over 100 people under me in three different divisions. They're all careers. They need to decide whether to do what I asked them to do because I'm their boss or they or what an outside think tank or NGO who then them deceiving me or going against me will do a favor for them. And you can see this by the way in the form of Eric C.R. Mella or Sierra Mella, the CIA senior political or he was a mid-level political analyst who was for the Europe and Eurasia desk for the CIA, who was the one who leaked the Trump phone call in 2019
Starting point is 00:30:12 and kicked off the Ukraine impeachment. And then everyone flanked around him to protect him from any scrutiny. His name was banned on Twitter for a week. It was banned on Facebook Messenger. Well, he was making the salary range for someone in his position was between $90,000 and $130,000 per year. That's the salary range for someone at his level. Where did he go right after? If that was a Trump political, by the way, with no, like, you know, fixer to be able to hook him up with an outside thing, he would be working at Uber Eats. He would be a convenience store clerk. There would be no job for that person other than the gig economy.
Starting point is 00:30:52 But instead, he went straight to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which is a think tank funded by foundation money that was run by Bill Burns for seven years. who would become CIA director right when Eric Sierra Mella got there. And he's making 280K a year. So, you know, you're making over twice as much for doing a favor. And do you, does anyone doubt that the fixer conversation was not? Do you think he cold applied to the Carnegie Endowment when he was out of a job for six months? You line this up before you make the jump.
Starting point is 00:31:31 And you, because these events are all over this city. the foundation events, the think tank, the NGO, and they're sponsored by funds. In Epstein's case, you had the Rothschild Bank, and you had all these private foundations, and they're at those events and in the emails that you get and in the, oh, I got to introduce you to this person. They have the talk, and it's not just a one-off talk, it's a continuous one. And if you don't follow the devil's temptation and do what would do a favor for that outside group with your government power, you begin to resent the people who are doing the right thing. You begin to feel like, oh, I'm a, you know, I'm not a good provider to my wife and family.
Starting point is 00:32:21 But if I did this thing, then, you know, my wife would be so proud of me. I could afford private school for my kids or a college fund. You think, well, geez, you know, maybe what they're telling me to do isn't so bad. You know, they're pitching it like it would be the right thing for the world. And, you know, my boss was a dick to me the other day. What am I doing this for? What am I sacrificing for? The presence of the Epstein class makes it so that United States policy in every important
Starting point is 00:32:53 government agency, State Department, Central Intelligence Agency, Department of War, USAID, people do not make decisions on the basis of what's best for this country. They make it on the basis of what's best for the favor bank. And this Jeffrey Epstein fixer class is that sticky glue between effectively the parties you're making favors for and yourself. And the fact is, is because he represents that, people want to do favors for Jeffrey Epstein. What you see in these Epstein files are extremely the highest level government officials in multiple countries going out of their way to keep Epstein informed, to give him private
Starting point is 00:33:33 access. You saw Kathy Rumler, the White House counsel, the top lawyer for Barack Obama, leaking things, even saying completely non-public things that an award she won from the Central Intelligence Agency, which is still not public to this day. But she told Jeffrey Epstein just hours after she got it from John Brennan. And this is something that Kathy, Rumler then gets hooked up to represent the Rothschild Bank in the private sector after she leaves government. Her job's making 200K a year with with no opportunity for outside consulting gigs, sitting on board, sign-acures, fellowships. How much do you think she made as a Rothschild banker, corporate, you know, lawyer? And by the way, even then, she negotiated a favorable settlement
Starting point is 00:34:23 for the Rothschilds on the basis of a bank secrecy action. she appears to have played a role in that was set up by the Obama Justice Department while she was the White House National White House Counsel. So it's like the things that she's involved within government are a favor to those on the outside. She's doing favors or sweet talking to fixer. And then she goes to directly profit herself. So it makes you wonder, is that law?
Starting point is 00:34:53 Was that made in the first place as a, was it really? because we just like giving Swiss bank accounts total secrecy and freedom from, from punishment. I mean, it's basically what it did, allow them to move money to the United States without, you know, without suffering, you know, all these AML and KYC restrictions that they were under, you know, criminal query. It's like, okay, so is, did we do that because it's for American interests? Or did we do this actually because it allows outside banks to launder money and get away with it? And this also gets back to why I believe the money laundering and financial fixer element of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal is so important.
Starting point is 00:35:38 People don't even know that this is the way the world works, let alone that these institutions exist to do it, let alone that they have the influence they do on our daily lives and our ability to actually have government policy in the United States. And I think that the rush to explain Epstein's protection by the Justice Department and his, you know, apparent ability to skate through these crimes for decades is explainable solely because of, you know, a international child sex trafficking prostitution ring. I think that while elements of that are true, you know, in whatever degree that is, that is not, in my view, the key. or anywhere close to the key to understanding Epstein's protection or his role. And I think that that has been a, the vacuum of a lack of other explanation was filled early by that. And I am trying to present a more extended version of the universe to fill that, fill that void. This is refreshing for my ears to hear, Mike, because I lived in DC for 15 years and I watched this happen. I watched this happen constantly inside of Democrats.
Starting point is 00:36:50 administrations, but then, of course, when Republican administrations come along, there isn't the same access into high society or into the virtuous classes. It's quite remarkable. These Catherine Rumler connections, the Bill Burns connections, it really does mar a bit Obama's legacy. And I do wonder, you know, when will the Obama world be dragged, kicking and screaming into all of this? Yeah, maybe you can answer that for me because, of course, the Clintons are having a really a rough one on this. There are people who I think properly have been destroyed and their legacies. I mean, Bill Gates's legacy will not be Microsoft. It will be Jeffrey Epstein and viruses, right?
Starting point is 00:37:36 And, and, and I want, you know, I do wonder, like with this, with this Rumler, Captain Rumler was as close as you can get with Barack Obama. And in an email that I don't have directly in front of me, but you can see her, Tee-heeing with Epstein, who she loved, by the way, and she should absolutely have to come in for questioning. She was, Epstein lavished her with gifts and so on. But you can see them teahee-heeing about Obama being at the United Nations for the United Nations Conference, World Leaders Conference. She's giving that information to Epstein. They're talking about potentially meeting, you know, with Obama, you know, calling him the big man, which is remarkable.
Starting point is 00:38:19 is exactly what language that Biden used. I mean, does, like, is there any connection? Like, what would be your strongest connection for this ecosystem to Obama world, to affecting Obama world? By the way, Kathy Rumler, I'll get there. But Kathy Rumler is currently the General Counsel of Goldman Sachs. She's the top lawyer for Goldman Sachs, a New York investment, you know, investment bank that is totally adjacent to the,
Starting point is 00:38:49 Bear Stearns. I mean, you can't, you can't script it enough in terms of favor banks to this Bear Stearns Goldman Sachs network while she was in government and then goes to work directly. I am, I don't know what her salary is, but I guarantee you. It is at least 10, 20, 30x what she was making at, you know, as a U.S. government, GS whatever. But the, but, but, but, In terms of the Clinton administration, it's important to sort of have a few facts in mind about this. One is the Clinton administration, Jeffrey Epstein White House log show that he visited the Clinton White House personally at least 17 times. And as I mentioned, Ahud Barak visited Jeffrey Epstein's residence, just in New York City, something like 43 or 45, seven times. Ahud Barak was the prime minister of Israel while Bill Clinton was the president of the United States.
Starting point is 00:39:54 So as I mentioned, you had the back when Ehud Barak ran Israel's most elite, covert intelligence unit for the Israeli military in the 1970s, and then he became the head of military intelligence during Iran-Contra, and then he became prime minister of Israel while Bill Clinton was the president. and then he became defense minister and then, you know, Jeffrey Epstein business partner. But what I'm getting at here is another thing that I found in the files was that in 1999 and in 2011, but let's start with 1999, Bill Clinton was president.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Jeffrey Epstein foiled the CIA for all records and communicate, all records about himself that might, that acknowledge, wherein any open or ignores. acknowledged agency affiliations existed between the Central Intelligence Agency and Jeffrey Epstein. So Bill Clinton was president. He was meeting at the White House 17 times. The same Israeli back channels that the guy who ran the main Israeli back channel for the Epstein commercial network, 15 years earlier, was now the prime minister. The way Mossad is structured is that Masad is
Starting point is 00:41:16 sits basically in the prime minister's office. It's a little bit different than the central intelligence agency. It's a, but the fact is, is the military intelligence side, you can understand how Epstein would have run into that in a very direct way with Iran contra because that was literally a military operation of gun running.
Starting point is 00:41:37 You know, in terms of Mossad connections, the Mossad would answer when he was prime minister to Ahud Barak. It literally reports up to him, everything has to be approved by him. And so when you see, for example, these throwaway emails in the Epstein files that say, for example,
Starting point is 00:41:57 they're talking about carving up Libya and finding a way to seize $80 billion worth of Libyan assets that are held in various banks. That requires someone at Treasury to do a favor for you, someone at the State Department to do a favor for you, And what he says, and that also includes other governments who co-participated in the Libya operation. And what he says is, I've got some MI6 slash Mossad guys that can help.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Now, that's a situation where the MI6 side makes total sense because the Brits were in with Jeffrey Epstein and the Americans and the Israelis on the Iran-Contra and BCCI affair. In fact, the New York Times described totally cluelessly how in 1981 and 1982, a young Jeffrey Epstein at just 28 years old was making trips to London to stay at the home of Douglas Lease. They forgot this wealthy, you know, aristocratic class guy with a palatial estate in a British countryside. They conveniently leave out that Douglas Lease was one of the largest illicit arms dealer in British history. He's the thing that he is famous for, even in his frigging wiggipedia, is his arms dealing. And this is while MI6 and the U.S. and Israelis were running the gun running operation to Iran through Jeffrey Epstein's friggin client, Adnan Khashoggi. What I'm getting at here, though, is you can understand how he might have, have MI6 guys from that Douglas Lee story and from everything that he, you know, did with the highest levels of government in UK, whether it's the royal family or whether it's the finance ministers like Pete, like man, like Lord Mandelson. And you can understand how he had those contacts from the Israelis because even at the Bear Stearns network, you know, it was, it was Ace Greenberg, who's, a long-time affinity network donor.
Starting point is 00:44:12 And the thing that Jeffrey Epstein got in trouble for, the first time he got in trouble with the law, was an SEC investigation into him for doing hot deals that is giving pre-IPO sweet deals to friends, favors to friends in 1980 on a deal for Edgar Bronfman, who at the time was the chairman of the World Jewish Congress. And Bronfman was changing the role of the WJC at that time to serve as a kind of shadow state department in the kind of NGO advocacy space to tie it very strongly to the Israeli Ministry for Strategic Affairs. So you had this network of clients and dealmakers where it was justified on U.S. national security interests and U.S. national security interests and U.S. national
Starting point is 00:45:05 interests to work with groups in Israel and work with groups in the U.S. And Epstein built this strong affinity network and then leveraged it for private dealmaking. And because that you have so much capital to deploy and all the other perks with parties and girls and things like that, everyone wanted to do a favor for Epstein because Epstein was the gateway to getting it to becoming a made man. But this is such a beautiful architecture that you have developed here to explain what it is. I know that it is complicated and I know that it takes quite a bit of doing. But this makes perfect sense to me.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Anybody who's been close up to the bureaucracy is able to see the handoff and the silent handshake that happens between the private and public sector. But you need the facilitator in order to make it legal or in order to make sure that nobody goes to jail or nobody goes to jail immediately. And you explaining how Epstein was that facilitator between the people who are making the decisions in government and them getting filthy rich on the outside and a bunch of other people getting filthy rich on the outside. That makes so much sense, Mike. It makes so much sense. It also makes a lot of sense as to why people are now accusing Jeffrey Epstein of being the man who started Bitcoin. What do you think about that? because cryptocurrency in Bitcoin is all over Jeffrey Fstein's emails.
Starting point is 00:46:34 He's going to the Treasury to talk about Bitcoin in 2014. Bitcoin wasn't even publicly available in 2014, right? Like, like, it's not, like, nobody, no, very few people were trading in Bitcoin or talking about it, 2014. It would seem like the crypto space, he's talking about making crypto capital, like moving the crypto capital to Dubai, like a meme coin in Israel. He's having these conversations like a decade ago when the public interest in the space was virtually zero. And I don't, I don't have a tip jar and I don't have a coin.
Starting point is 00:47:13 So I'm putting a zin in my pretend tip jar. Listen, I'm sorry, but the Ben's theory of Bitcoin was right. Just put another zin and put another dollar in. I have been for years. Since 2018, I was saying this, but I gave two formal speeches. I'm asked to speak at a lot of Bitcoin conferences and Bitcoin podcasts because, you know, my advocacy around free speech is a natural compliment to what's promoted as free speech money. Obviously, when you de-platform someone and they can't use PayPal or Stripe or Square,
Starting point is 00:47:51 and they have to use Bitcoin for transactions, as many people did during this, at the peak of the, censorship era here in the United States, there was a lot of overlap, you know, between the political advocacy side of free speech and the operational possibility to end run financial censorship through something that cuts out the middleman. And I, in 2018, I began to see things that made me pull out of the thing completely. Now, that's not because I thought it wouldn't go up. But let me explain this, because I gave two talks at the Bitcoin conference, the biggest Bitcoin conference in the world two years ago and last year. And when they first asked me on the main stage to talk to the whole address, the biggest
Starting point is 00:48:39 Bitcoin conference of the world, when they asked me, I said, are you sure you want me to talk of this? Because did you see the videos that I've done on this? And they said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. It said, all right, all right. Now, both years in a row, I have publicly given the same speech. And it's called bullish on bullshit. And the theme of the speech was congratulations. You guys are all making a lot of money. You're going to be making a lot of money for a long time to come. I am not, the message I'm about to impart on you is not to pull your, you know, coin out of Bitcoin. I am bullish on the market. And the thing that you really care about, making money getting rich, you will achieve by being in this space, or at least right up until the
Starting point is 00:49:31 moment you don't. But the reason that I am bullish on it is because of the fact that this entire space is bullshit. Everything about the way the crypto market works, particularly the stable coin mediators to it, the way it's used, there's, there's two. two reasons that this thing is going to go. So the bullshit element of it essentially is, you know, Bitcoin should have died in 2014 with the Mount Gok scandal. It went basically to zero. All the exchanges, you know, died except Bitfinex.
Starting point is 00:50:12 And without getting anyone in trouble or ruffling too many feathers, what I'll say is a strange thing happened in 2014 that resurrected and then skyrocketed. the field of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency more broadly, something very inorganic that never got audited. If anyone wants to look into the Mount Cox scandal and what resurrected it, you will see the answer. I'll leave it at that for there. But the reason that I'm bullish on it is because I'm long on two things. I'm long on banks wanting to use stable coins. Stable coins are the things that basically allow you to have liquidity.
Starting point is 00:51:05 They keep all the volume on platform. You don't need to exchange off into fiat. And it allows all manner of interesting complexity to develop within the space by having this giant liquidity pool represented. I mean, if you remember what happened in 2008, was a liquidity run. And that's what kicked off the crisis. Well, the stable coins prevent that.
Starting point is 00:51:30 But because they transact everything in US dollar denominations, it means that anybody around the world in Europe, in Latin America, in Africa, in Asia, using a different currency, transacting in stable coins creates a dollar. And so you prop up the dollar. In fact, there was a full-page spread. The day after Saudi Arabia announced during the Biden administration,
Starting point is 00:51:52 it might not continue the petro dollar arrangement at beyond 2027. There was a full-paid spread in the Wall Street Journal by Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, that crypto could stave off a U.S. debt crisis because of the very stable coins that hoaxed the world into investing in Bitcoin in the first place in 2014 out of the Mount Cox disaster. And so stablecoins allow you to basically have an have a offshore federal reserve. I mean, it prints U.S. dollars. And it, and it props it up at a time when China is divesting from U.S. dollars.
Starting point is 00:52:42 The petro dollar arrangement was looking like it might be cut out. And so to protect the dollar. So I'm long on the U.S. Treasury and Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan. And, you know, you name it, propping up the dollar. And I'm also very long on CIA money laundering. What stable coins allow you to do, do you remember the James Comer oversight investigation of the Joe Biden shell companies where the House Oversight Committee declared that it knew exactly how the 10% was being kicked up to the big guy by Hunter Biden? but it took them something like two and a half years to trace the, you know, 32 shell companies or something to be able to prove it.
Starting point is 00:53:28 Well, what you can do through stablecoins in Bitcoin, Bitcoin and stable coins is you can create 32 layers of shell companies, 300 layers of shell. Because you don't even, you don't even need to set up a company. You don't even need to have a registered address, you know, home address. You don't even need to, you know, have a banking, KYC, you know, confirmation that this is not a money laundering operation. You set up an account just like that, and you can have thousands of them. It'll take you decades to unwind that to figure out, you know, and prove in court that this was actually a money laundering transaction and not just people organically exchanging, you know, cryptocurrency or buying things from one another. So it's the CIA's playground.
Starting point is 00:54:20 It's, and not just the CIA. I mean, every intelligence agency on planet Earth can use this. You know, everyone says, you know, it's, this is the knock on Bitcoin that libertarians got pissed about for a long time, is that regulators would say it's only used for selling drugs, you know, selling drugs and arranging hitman, you know, paying hitman to kill people in these things. And the libertarians went, no, no, no, it's not. look, you know, I bought a banana with it. It's like, well, you're both right and you're both wrong. It is being used for that.
Starting point is 00:54:57 But it's being used by governments, intelligence services, corporate espionage firms, and this sticky, you know, overworld, underworld, Jeffrey Epstein class, folks, to buy those drugs, to launder those guns, to pay those hitmen, to pay a bribe to a judge or judge's wife. And I am, intelligence services and the governments whose policies that they serve
Starting point is 00:55:25 and the private financial interests that those government officials serve in their government office are always looking for a new technique in the evolutionary arms race against journalists and well-minded regulators who might, whose job is to track them down. and whose job is to find out what the latest trick is they're using. And this allows them to totally outpace the regulators. And so I believe that it's a bull market in it because the appetite for that kind of money laundering is infinite.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein created Bitcoin? You have this Daniel Pena clip that's going so viral. And he's like, you won't be able to sleep at night. I'm sure you've seen it. Yeah. You know, you find out who makes, who created Bitcoin, you're not going to be able to sleep at night. And it's going to effing zero. And there's a lot of people crashing out over this.
Starting point is 00:56:24 Obviously, Bitcoin's lost 50% of it. And I'm not some huge cryptgogo guy. I'm really not. I'm not rooting for one side or the other. I'm not a crypto hate. And I'm not trying to sell you anything. You know, I'm not a crypto hate channel. I'm not trying to sell it.
Starting point is 00:56:36 So like, but, but you know, you look at these emails. I mean, this email with the Ross child. with Larry Summers in the roster with Jeffrey Epstein. He's talking about Bitcoin. What are the uses of Bitcoin? Oh, aiding and abetting money laundering. That's like number one, he writes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:55 To Larry Summers. Now structuring. Hello. Talk about transmitting money without a license. Patriot Act violations? I am on record saying that both Bitcoin and Jeffrey Epstein, the main way to understand them is the money laundering role. It's and and like these emails come out that say, let's see, I said it was the U.S. Treasury who had the interest in Bitcoin for, you know, dollar dominance in these things.
Starting point is 00:57:22 And who's who is Larry Summers of the head of the U.S. Treasury? I mean, it's right here in the, you can read it. Yes, eating and bag on. Like is right again, proven right this week, I guess, in black and white from Jeffrey Epstein. So what do you think? Is that way? Is this why? Is this why there's a lot of. instability in this asset? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Because, you know, it's not like a steady flow of, you know, these things don't work on like a schedule. We're like every week, we do a new op and, you know, we give a set annuity to our rebel groups in, you know, on the ground in Venezuela. I mean, think about this. See if you can pull this up on screen. Circle. Circle's partnership with the U.S.
Starting point is 00:58:12 government for stablecoins. For stablecoin work to support Venezuela. Check this out from a couple of years ago. Now, George Soros is a major investor in another banker financial class guy tightly tied to, you know, intelligence services and statecraft and bankers who runs a fund himself, just like Jeffrey Epstein. And if not, you can find it on my, if you just do a local search on my ex profile, you'll see this. Now, what happened was, is there's another stable coin company that is, was until Circle,
Starting point is 00:58:53 really the only player in the space. But that company is something of a Wild West, I'll say. And Circle was created to be a government-regulated stable coin, formerly government-regulated, not just a pure private company, but it is a private company, but it's got all these regulatory handcuffs on it. Now, Circle struck a deal with the Biden administration where the end, now the person at Circle, when they made this announcement and spoke to the press about it, they refused to say which agency in the U.S. government they held the partnership with. That alone tells you something, by the way. You know, if I can't tell you what the agency is,
Starting point is 00:59:38 it's either the CIA or it is a agency that knows that this is for CIA purposes. Now, what this was, and see if you can find the Venezuela one on it, just so you don't have to take my word for it. Circle Venezuela. Now, what happened was, is there was, we were, we've been trying to regime change Venezuela for a very long time. If you remember, the Trump, the first Trump administration tried to capture Maduro in the Jordan Goodro Silver Corp affair, you know, the Bay of Piglets with that Florida security firm,
Starting point is 01:00:11 failed in doing so. But we have this faction of U.S.-aligned political military groups on the ground. The problem is it's really hard to fund them, to capacity-build them, to go against the Venezuelan government, because you can't get money into Venezuela through the Venezuelan state banking system, and if the Venezuelan counterintelligence sees that money hits your bank account from a U.S. source or from a U.S. bank, then you, you know, they treat it as a CIA intervention, and they arrest anyone who receives that money. So what the mystery U.S. Government Agency X came up with is the brilliant idea to use stable coins, the undergirding architecture, texture of Bitcoin as the way to launder money into Venezuela without the Venezuelan government
Starting point is 01:01:09 being able to stop it by air dropping people crypto on their phone so that money never touched the Venezuelan state banking system. So this was, you know, while plucky libertarians are talking about how, you know, the purpose of cryptocurrency is to, yeah, and go ahead. And it's a hilarious article. If you scroll down, you'll see Circle Partners with, yes, right. And so what you'll see here is, it says, so it's a, it's a partnership with Juan Guido, okay? So if you, so if you just, you know, scroll down to the Wang Guido part, it's a little bit up. Yep. Yep. Yeah, well, okay, so it's, it's, what I was pointing out is Juan Guido, if you remember, Juan Guido, the, it's, yeah, if you just pause right there, you see, through a collaboration,
Starting point is 01:02:00 Bolivar and Public of Venezuela, led by President-elect Juan Guaido. Juan Guaido was the CIA-backed guy that Silver Corp had the contract, a $1.5 million retainer to capture Maduro, and a $220 million success fee if they successfully installed Juan Guaido. So this is not money to Venezuelans. This is money that will only go to the Juan Guido faction at the time of this partnership. So they can micro-target the money. Rather than an aid program, they can run it just to the rebel groups on their phones of the ones
Starting point is 01:02:37 who are being backed by the CIA without cutting out the middleman of the Venezuelan state banking system. So like I was saying, while Venezuelans, I'm sorry, Walt Plucky libertarians think that this is such a clever way of like cutting out the middleman of banks. between peer-to-peer transactions, that ain't how Bitcoin is used. 99% of it.
Starting point is 01:03:02 It's not retail, and it never will be. It's not like, that's not the only middleman that's being cut out, right? If I want to buy a banana from you and I'm cutting out the bank in the middle
Starting point is 01:03:15 with crypto, the CIA, Israeli intelligence, British intelligence, Saudi intelligence, they have a need to cut out the middleman of the bank in order to run money to CIA, Israeli, Saudi, British,
Starting point is 01:03:36 backed rebel groups, drug dealers, criminals, you know, bribes. And so this is a elite way of money laundering at scale with precision and with far less downside risk because you're also, you know, nobody has to keep your secret. if you try to, like in the BCCI bank, one of the reasons it collapsed, the CIA's bank there, is because when people started asking questions, people at the various BCCI branches who did not work at CIA, who did not have the protection or goading of the U.S. government
Starting point is 01:04:13 while they were sitting in offices in Luxembourg or London or Switzerland, they or Pakistan, when local regulators said, what the hell is going on with this? They said, well, the CIA was in here. You know, they set up this account. They were in here last week. They told me to do it.
Starting point is 01:04:32 Nobody can squeal when you're setting up a crypto account rather than a bank branch office where you need to have a relationship with the branch manager. So you keep the circle of trust very, very, very small. So you have way less risk exposure at the time of an investigation. So you've just, the architecture that you just laid out here makes so much sense to me, Mike, and I love it. I know that we're tight on time here, but I've been waiting for an explanation. And I know that we've been rolling for an hour, but I've been waiting for an explanation that really puts the nodes together. And it makes so much sense.
Starting point is 01:05:17 And it makes so much sense as to why the world's richest men and royal families and presidents, we're going to Epstein. The one very quick question I have for you is then why all of the rape, torture, and murder? Does this just go along with a style of fixer, money, fixer work and dark arts? Is this just a satanic, like, fetish thing for Jeffrey Epstein? Is this something that's been totally overblown and you don't see it anymore? Or is this something that is rampant among the elites. Well, this is something that I've spoken a lot with, and I may have to, you know, leave you with a reference.
Starting point is 01:05:57 I did speak about this on Rogan this week for about an hour, and I've posted this position many times. I mean, the very, very short version is that I believe that Epstein saw the power of being a party host with young, attractive women that could be doled out to prospective clients and customers as a way to juice deals. that is girls juice deals, parties juice deals. I gave an example on Rogan of how someone at Goldman or someone at Rothschild or someone at the Bank of England who wants to go into the private sector
Starting point is 01:06:37 may want to go through with a deal simply because Epstein is the source of their girls and parties, even if it's a deal they'd normally be reticent or the risk profile is too. high because they don't want to say no to an offer to go in on an investment to go in on a philanthropic you know drive I'm being charitable when I say that obviously but because they don't want the access cut off to something that you know if you look at it from the perspective of like a you know know, 65-year-old guy who hasn't slept with his wife in three years or six years or 10 years, you know, who's got all the money in the world but can't walk into a bar and meet like an 18-year-old or, you know, and I know that some of them were, you know, clearly underage. But also you've got
Starting point is 01:07:31 the jurisdiction shopping on that. Adnan Khashoggi was doing the same thing. Epstein's client with, you know, young girls and giant parties and the like. I sometimes wonder. if Epstein learned the tools of the trade of that, so to speak, in the 1980s, representing the clients in that network and seeing, okay, this is how he makes all this money. It's because, you know, governments will want to buy, go by these transactions, not even necessarily if they need the guns, but because they want, they want to make him happy so that they get access to the parties and the girls and things like that. And it's, you know, it's quite possible that, I mean, what I, I always cite, like, you know, Biggie's 10 crack commandments for this.
Starting point is 01:08:12 Rule number four is never get high on your own supply. I think that Epstein started as a dealer and then got high on his own supply of that, if that makes sense. And not necessarily dealing in like a formal, organized, structured way. I don't think you'd have time in the day to be a full-time pimp with everything else. Epstein was running. I think it started with getting, knowing that, you know, to get billionaires at your party and for them to be super happy and want to do business with you.
Starting point is 01:08:42 You know, you have to have a very heavy girl guy ratio to make it a fun party. And the girls have got to be young and attractive. And then, you know, the international clients where they don't have the same age laws, for example, and many places in the Middle East, you know, it's not 18 there. And, I mean, this is something Dyn Corp got in trouble with in the early 2000s. This is a military contractor sending girls. to Arab shakes to juice deals. And I, given that Epstein was a kind of military equipment facilitator,
Starting point is 01:09:23 I mean, there's a lot of folks in this space. I mean, as to the other things, you know, I don't know that we see emails around the torture. And, you know, obviously, I think there's a there when it comes to the Pizza Gate stuff because it was the first thing domestically to be censored on the Internet insanely. And, you know, there's a lot of talk in these files about things that are impossible to do to a pizza. I mean, even more so than what kicked off, you know, you left
Starting point is 01:09:53 a handkerchief that seems pizza related. I mean, it's way, it's way more impossible. But the point is, is I don't know exactly what's going on there. There definitely looks like there's something dark and funky and dystopian. and evil. I would be reticent to call that the cake of the Epstein story as opposed to the icing on top of the evils I just described. But, you know, if that can be further explored, I'm open-minded, you know, but, you know, researchers really need to do a good job of providing credible, substantiated leads to be able
Starting point is 01:10:38 to really run down confidence. in those kind of theories, in my view. I know that we're up against a part out here. Do you have, like, you're over, under on anything happening? Is anyone going to go to jail for this in the United States of America? Who wants to be a hero? Any member of Congress. Thomas Massey, run it back.
Starting point is 01:10:58 Okay? The same bill you just did for the Justice Department files, you can do the exact same thing for the CIA files. Okay. The Epstein Disclosure Act was only for DOJ, originated files, which sweeps up FBI because their DOJ's investigative arm. The JFK files were CIA originated. There was something in 1992 called the JFK Records Collection Act,
Starting point is 01:11:23 which forced, by law, the Central Intelligence Agency, to set up an independent auditing and review and oversight body to independently review classified files and propose them for declassification. Now, so we got the, first batch of CIA JFK documents in 1997 after five years of that board's work and then continued to get updates on them in 2013, 2017, and then the big one in 2025. But that only happened because you had the legal mechanism in place. Put the legal mechanism in place and then bang the gong every month about if they violate
Starting point is 01:12:05 the law. And they might not want, for example, they might have an incentive to comply. that way a future administration doesn't find them non-compliant. I mean, there's all sorts of reasons to do this right away, get the ball rolling. Who's going to want to be against this? The Epstein DOJ files bill was 427 to 1 in 99 to 0 in the Senate. Who's going to want to be on the other side of a CIA declassification? What couldn't be me?
Starting point is 01:12:40 All right. Let's do it. CIA files on Epstein is actually where we need to source the true beating heart of all of this. And if there is no, if an independent, you know, bipartisan, you know, auding an oversight board says, actually, you know, there are none or there's only a few, but they're, you know, related to some counterintelligence thing that we, like, we need to know that so that we can be. be educated when we vote for people on the basis of their adjacency to the Epstein networks. So even if the answer is there's not as much there as Benz is saying, great, can you tell us? Great. Can you tell us? This has been the bumper sicker of the entire Epstein saga for the last decade. Mike Benz has been great and he's told us and he's been right. And this side of Alex
Starting point is 01:13:37 Jones, man, I think one of the one of the most right people on planet Earth, And I just want to say thank you, Mike, for your clarity on all of this. Millions of people follow Mike. You should be one of them right here on his ex account. Godspeed, Mike. Thank you. You well, Betty. Every time Mike Pence is on.
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Starting point is 01:16:50 And that's what most people want in life, right? As you look through sort of the cretness and diseased and broken, rot that this week of Epstein Files disclosures has brought us. It makes it all the more imperative for us to live lives of salt and light onto this world to be different from the world. There is no respect or honor among thieves. Look at how, look at how Epstein's best friends, like Bill Gates, treats them now, right? There's no respecter on them there. They're all scones. It's rats, rats. Rat eat rat. No, no, no, no. Live a very, very different life. And do so with us because, you know, at the end of our lives and at the end of all of this, we're guaranteed the thing that everybody
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