The Benny Show - Trump To Appoint Special Prosecutor to Investigate RIGGED 2020 Election, Evidence ‘Hidden’ At FBI, with Guests Julie Kelly, Senator Ron Johnson and Alex Swoyer
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Today is Friday, June 20th, 2025. News Dump Friday. Trump demands special prosecutor for
2020 election. Could a tactical nuke be used in Iran? I hope not
because we are running, hopefully, to peace in Iran, in Israel, and that's what we want, and that's what this
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in another forever war. That's all he'll be remembered for.
What do you remember George W. Bush for? George W. Bush is not going to be judged kindly by history.
It's just like wars and slaughter and carnage and the destruction. You know, you don't want that. That's actually how they get you. That's the trap. So don't let them do it. Joe Biden will be
remembered for like the boondoggle in Ukraine.
It's the same thing.
So that's what we want.
And it's for the protection of our boy.
And you know what?
Steve Bannon's having lunch at the White House.
So I think we're winning, boys.
Peace.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
Julie Kelly will be on the program.
Lucky us.
She knows so very much about the stolen election in 2020.
Along with Senator Ron Johnson and author Alex Sawyer
joining the program.
She's written an exceptional book about the deep state
and lawfare against President Trump.
My name is Ben Johnson and this is the Ben Show.
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Okay, let's jump into the breaking news.
I mean, we've covered it this entire week.
Three days ago, Cash Patel released evidence
to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Chuck Grassley in charge of that.
Chuck Grassley's sidekick is Ron Johnson.
Ron Johnson will be on the show.
So it's gonna be an exceptional show to lock in
if you care about the truth of the 2020 election. But what we care about the most actually is the knocking down
of the lies. That's what we want. We want truth and we can handle the truth. You can,
you can release the Epstein list. We can handle it. You can release the Epstein evidence.
You can release these manifestos, right? For these trans shooters.
You can do it.
Like the American people can take it.
What we can't take is living inside
of some type of like strange, broken architecture of lies.
Some house of mirrors, right?
Where you're like, no, January 6th was an insurrection.
No, it wasn't.
Gretchen Whitmer was gonna be kidnapped.
No, she wasn't.
The 2020 election was the most secure election in our lifetime. No, she wasn't. The 2020 election was the most secure
election in our lifetime. No, it wasn't. Here's the map. Here it is. This is the map right
here from Heritage Foundation of all of the election fraud cases currently going on in
America. These are cases that are being prosecuted for election fraud, some of them mass election
fraud, but all of it is mass election fraud. And there's a case going on in every single
state. Some cases like Minnesota, there are hundreds of cases, individual cases of election fraud.
I wonder what's going on in Minneapolis. I wonder why they could have election fraud in that state.
I wonder why, right? Very interesting. Minnesota should be a red state. Like if you look at the
numbers, like by and large, you look at the numbers, Minnesota,
more than any other Midwestern state
should really be voting red.
It don't make no sense exactly, except for the fraud.
And these graphs didn't make any sense.
We all saw these graphs, obviously on election night,
nobody could ever account for that little blip
right there at 2 a.m.
Nobody's ever been able to like explain that or this one. This is my, this is our favorite.
If you, if you watch the show regularly, this is just our absolute favorite.
Kamala Harris, no ID, only winning the States, only winning States with no ID, no ID check.
Now, what does that mean for a state like this?
Well, for a state like this, typically what it means is you go in,
you have same day voter registration, all you gotta do is flash your driver's license,
and you get either like a paper ballot or a mail-in ballot.
Okay?
Now many times they just mail those ballots out.
In some states they mail the ballots out to every address.
When I was living in DC, they did this.
And because I, well, wasn't the first
owner of my home and there were like multiple other owners, I got a stack of bowels this big
in DC. Anybody else have this experience where you were mailed a bunch of ballots?
You know what crippling that is for our entire, like for our election system?
Did anybody else have this experience? Let me know in the chat. There was like a stack of,
I got a bunch of people's ballots.
Obviously I could have opened them
and I could have voted for those people
and put them in.
And then what happens is once the ballot,
the once the vote is separated from the envelope,
there's no telling.
And so states like this with no voter ID,
you can just commit open season elect open season election fraud.
And this is what it looks like.
This is what election fraud looks like right here.
20 million people just appearing out of nowhere and then disappearing overnight.
If I were to show you this graph, this is, these are the elections, of course, for
Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, which are on the level, all right, they, they both
won the popular vote, right?
Obama and Clinton won the popular vote.
Nobody's disputing that. Donald Trump was able to win Hillary, win and defeat Hillary
Clinton in the electoral college. The math works out in favor of Donald Trump in that
election. It didn't in the Barack Obama election, right? Barack Obama won very easily on election
night. That's the way the cookie crumbles, but the math is all there. Even in 2024, the math was very there.
The reason why is that you could see
that President Trump is gaining a coalition.
There's a lot of people,
a lot of people joining with President Trump.
Look at his vote number,
the amount of people that are voting for President Trump,
very high, like it's increasing.
As President Trump runs,
as people like understand who President Trump is
and his policies, that's very natural.
That's a very natural progression for Donald Trump.
It's a very natural progression for the MAGA movement
because the MAGA movement is ascendant.
What don't make no sense is 20 million extra people
voting for a corpse and then not showing up
in the next election.
Where the hell did they go?
Is this a rapture?
What happened there exactly?
We keep asking, members of Congress keep telling us,
I don't know.
Boy, it sure would be interesting to find out.
Where did they go?
Boy, now we know because of Cash Fatale this week,
Cash Fatale put up this,
he tweeted this article from Just the News.
He says, listen, I just get handed over to Congress
some of the reasons why, you know,
you could see those 20 million people just disappear overnight. Cash Fatale handed over to Congress some of the reasons why, you know, you could see those 20
million people just disappear overnight. Cash fell handed over to Congress, evidence that the
CHICOMS, communist Chinese, that they had a massive operation to print fake driver's licenses
to give to Chinese nationals or anyone but Chinese nationals living in America,
so that they could get a ballot and they could vote.
Some places you have to just go in
and show your driver's license, right?
Flash driver's license, they're like, good, got it.
Places like California, you don't have to show anything.
And places like in DC, they mail everyone a ballot
and guys like me end up with stacks of ballots
this big at my house.
So it's just horrible systems
in these blue states.
That's why Kamala Harris only wins blue states.
But I can show you like how this worked.
It's wild in Michigan, in the state of Michigan.
A Chinese student is being charged
with dozens of felonies for voting illegally.
They caught them actually.
The Chinese student with a fake license
voted in the Michigan election.
We have the article or we're getting it in just a second.
Chinese student voted in Michigan, this is in 2024.
And they caught this person and it became,
there it is right there.
They caught this Chinese kid
and this became like big
national news.
So then I had, now they have to charge them
because they proved it.
They proved that this Chinese kid voted illegally.
Why wonder who he voted for?
And what did the Michigan secretary of state say?
Fowey, we so sowey, we fowey.
They said, look, we can't do anything about it.
This communist voted for Kamala Harris and the vote just counts.
Screw you.
Chinese national at University of Michigan charged with illegally voting in 2024 election.
There it is.
How many, look, okay, so this is the ones that you find.
So how does it work?
Do you own a house?
Do you live in a house?
Do you live in an apartment?
Doesn't matter. If you live inside of a domicile and you see one cockroach, what does that
mean? Does that mean there's only one? If you see one mouse scurry across the floor, everyone's seen
it, it's horrible. I like living with rats or mice. If you see one rodent scurry across your floor,
does that mean there's just one?
No. It means there's a nest and they're inside of your home
and they're about to infest your home.
If you catch one Chinese national illegally voting
in the election, how many were there exactly?
Well, according to the border patrol
in a story that was barely covered in 2020,
obviously because of other PSY ops run on our country,
January 6th, you know, you really like,
when you look at the timing of these things,
you look at like the announcement of the stuff
that China was planning on rigging our election
in favor of Joe Biden.
And you realize like J6 was set up
in order to destroy that news cycle.
President Trump was like getting to the point
to President Trump knows about this.
In fact, we have a clip of President Trump explaining
that he's running in 2024 because China stole his election.
Hey Alex, do we have that clip?
Let me know, but it's a great one.
It's something that really lets you know
that Trump like understands where this is coming from.
So the point is, in 2020, how much more of this was happening?
How much was happening that we didn't catch? How many cockroaches are there exactly? If we're able to see one and step on it, like we did in Michigan, how many more
voted? Well, we have the map, we have the chart, we can prove it.
We'll show you the data, there's 20 million at least. You have an infestation in this country.
It's really bad. It leads to embarrassing and humiliating series of events. But I want to
get to President Trump first. This is what President Trump is
called for. And we're going to go through like why this is so mandatory and necessary. Will you
ever catch people in voter fraud? Well, you do here and there. You do. And we're going to go
through some of those cases. What was more important is with President Trump appointing a special prosecutor is that
the people who can want to or are planning on and of course they are planning on it,
commit committing voter fraud again.
It's going to dissuade them from doing that.
President Trump is destroying with a battle axe and a sledgehammer, the architecture of globalism in this country,
everything that they're doing with ActBlue,
everything they're doing with defunding USAID,
the full-scale investigations into January 6th,
it is offense.
And it's the kind of offense we should be fighting.
It is a far more exigent and important battle
than a battle with Iran right now is the battle for the future
of this country. We should be dead set and iron focused locked in like cold steel on the nuclear
bomb that is in this country, which is 20 million criminal aliens that have the opportunity to vote
and rig our elections. A Chinese communist party that's flooding our nation with fake driver's licenses
so they can vote, and an administration
that won't do anything about it
because they benefit from it, right, with Joe Biden.
Donald Trump's gonna put that to an end.
Here's President Trump this morning on Truth Social.
Zero border crossings for the month for Trump
versus 60,000 for Sleepy Joe.
This is all connected, obviously.
The more criminal aliens you get here,
the more criminal aliens you get voting.
We've shown you the proof of that.
But the Chinese national illegally voting
for Kamala Harris in the election,
how many more criminal aliens voted in California
where there's absolutely no checks at all?
Michigan's kind of like a light red state anyway.
You know, Donald Trump has won it a couple of times.
So in California, where is that?
Let's continue to read.
A man who lost the 2020 election fraud
by a man who lost the 2020 election
by a landslide, says President Trump.
Biden was grossly incompetent. The 2020 election by a landslide, says President Trump. Biden was grossly incompetent.
The 2020 election was a total fraud.
The evidence is massive and overwhelming.
A special prosecutor must be appointed.
This cannot be allowed to happen
in the United States of America again.
It's true.
Let the work begin.
This is what a crooked man and his corrupt cronies
have done to our country in four years
is grossly indescribable.
Make America great again.
Donald Trump saying a special prosecutor must be appointed
in order to look into our stolen election in 2020.
Why are they so angry about this?
Why are they so upset?
You know, if you didn't steal the election,
let's say a cop comes and knocks on my door.
Hey, Benny, sorry, I've got a problem.
We're gonna have to look in your backyard
for the, you know, buried corpses of a serial killer.
We think you are he.
And I would say, well, that's an interesting twist
of my day, have at it.
In fact, I'll help you shovel.
Cause there are like, cause I'm not a serial killer
and there's nothing buried back there.
So who cares?
Like who cares?
In fact, the more you look,
like spend all the time you need.
I'll get you a coffee.
The more you look coppers,
the more exonerated I get
because there ain't no evidence back there, right?
It's not what I do. I'm not saying I'm perfect. I'm not a serial killer. Serial killer. And I'll
be happy to prove it to you by helping you shovel. Okay. Let's go. That's how innocent people think
about things. Right. Cop stops you, open the trunk. Okay. Fine. What are you going to find?
My diapers? Diapers back there. Right. I'm going gonna go visit Joe Biden. I got diapers in the back of my car.
Like these are, this is the way they innocent people act. What you'll find now is like absolute
and total demon screams from the left,
like losing their effing mind over this.
They're gonna freak out because they know they're guilty.
Cop knocks on my door and says,
we wanna go dig for bodies in your backyard.
And I start profusely sweating. I close the door, slam it, we want to go dig for bodies in your backyard.
And I start profusely sweating.
I close the door, slam it, tell them to get a warrant, lock it.
Then I flee the county.
What does that say?
Right?
This is how Democrats react to these things.
It's how they're reacting right now.
They're losing their minds that this show in particular continues to ask elected officials
about the stolen election while they're in for it today.
When we have Ron Johnson on, ooh baby,
and Julie Kelly in just a moment.
Trump calls for a special prosecutor
for alleged election fraud in 2020,
claiming he won in a landslide.
Come on, baby.
Let's freaking go.
Just a reminder that 18 of 19 Bellwether counties
went for Trump. 18 of 19 Bellwether counties went for Trump.
Wow.
Very interesting.
Trump won a landslide in 2024.
So how many Bellwether counties went for Trump then?
Oh, 18 of 19.
Same thing.
Trump won a landslide against Joe Biden.
President Donald Trump has called for the appointment of a special prosecutor to
investigate the allegations
that there was election fraud.
This comes two days after FBI director, Cash Patel,
revealed that he had shared alarming allegations
about manipulation of the 2020 election
with Republican members of Congress.
The FBI has located documents
which detail alarming allegations
related to the 2020 election,
including allegations of interference by the CCP,
Patel wrote, referring to the Chinese Communist Party.
"'I have immediately declassified these materials
and turned them over to Chuck Grassley for review.'"
Trump just posted, obviously,
that there needs to be a special prosecutor.
Trump calling for a special prosecutor
to investigate the alleged election fraud of 2020.
Serves both political and strategic purposes,
despite the lack of credible evidence. Dozens of, despite the lack of credible evidence.
Dozens of, despite the lack of credible evidence,
we're gonna get there, okay, don't worry.
We, unlike the rest of the corporate media scum here,
actually bring their seats.
Dozens of courts, including US Supreme Court,
rejected challenges in 2020 results.
Trump's own Department of Justice
found no evidence of fraud sufficient to alter the outcome.
Trump's insistence on a rigged election remains central to his messaging.
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Party out on helping Joe Biden win was key to his decision to run again in 2024. This is a wild clip.
Thank you to the eagle-eyed ALX for finding this one. Shout out to ALX. I know he's very popular with all single ladies in the chat.
ALX is single and you know, now he's a homeowner.
Boy, what an eligible bachelor, you know?
Just think about it, you know, think about it, chat.
ALX, think about it, Massachusetts, all you Massachusetts.
Ladies, I'm gonna get roasted.
Okay, here we go.
Ladies and gentlemen, ALX eagle-eyed found this.
Just a reminder, this is Trump's announcement in 2023,
running for president.
He said, you know what?
The Chinese communist stole the election from me.
Let's go.
Of it, no president had ever sought or received $1
for our country from China until I came along and we were getting hundreds of billions of dollars
Many people think that because of this China played a very active role in the 2020 election
Just saying just saying
Sure that didn't happen
instead Hmm.'s just classic Trump.
They say there's no evidence of election fraud.
Okay.
Well, we already put up our handy dandy map.
Here's our map.
There is evidence of mass election fraud.
There's evidence in every thing state retards.
And more importantly, there's evidence on a state level.
There's evidence in every corner of every single state. Here we go.
Here's Connecticut five charged with election crimes,
stemming from 2023 Bridgeport primary. Okay.
How many charges are there? Just one individual, Wanda the stuffer is her name.
She's facing 92 separate criminal charges.
Why?
Because she shoved a garbage bag full of ballots
into drop boxes to rig an election.
One of my favorites,
one of my favorites is from the state of New Jersey.
In New Jersey, in Patterson, New Jersey,
the president of the city council and his wife
went door to door stealing mail-in ballots
where people had already voted,
plucked them out of their mailboxes
and then voted for them, changed their votes
and mailed in the ballots
in order to win the election. Boy oh boy, would you look at that. Ladies and gentlemen, we also
have the exciting, the exciting story out of Massachusetts where a series of ballots were
stolen on camera. You can see it literally happening on camera here.
So yeah, this is the, this is,
these are the, these are the person's ring doorbell cam.
You can see said individual, don't know who it is,
just walking up and snagging the ballots.
What does this result in?
This results in a Massachusetts resident
trying to vote and they said no you already voted. She said show me the papers. She says that's not my signature. Somebody voted for me. This is insanity. Here's the clip.
Second report filed was from this Lawrence woman who's still waiting for elections officials to decide
whether her in-person vote will count or the mail-in, which she says has her signature
forged.
How come it's not going to be counted if I'm voting right in front of you and I'm telling
you that that vote that you have there is not mine?
State elections officials are now sorting through these allegations and were told the
results would be delivered before the candidates begin their new terms in January.
We're on it. The minute we heard about it today, we took action.
We've had a history of sending people to jail when they've committed crimes. That's what we'll do here.
And there's also another component to these cases. If that mail was stolen out of those mailboxes,
that's a federal offense and we're told there could be a federal investigation on the way.
Live in Boston tonight, Darren Botello, NBC 10 Boston.
You need to put people in prison for a long time.
This is the way that you stop.
This is the way that you stop this chaos.
You need to take people and destroy their lives.
They need to go to jail forever.
And you need to make them, you know, you need
to make them famous in the bad time out kind of way. You need to give us a face and a name
and you just show the world and you destroy them. And you keep doing that. Speaking of
being eagle-eyed, man, going through old Biden clips, it is so hard to watch. I can't believe
like what we've been through
is like going through texts with a psychotic ex-girlfriend
who's on like SSRIs and all like,
all like berserker mode out of her mind.
These old Biden clips are just so hard to watch,
but you just gotta listen to this one.
It's just one that we often play.
We'll show Biden straight up.
I wanna just play you the difference
between like two presidents, okay? So here's how both presidents handle election fraud. Because this isn't Donald
Trump's first action on election fraud. Here's Joe Biden explaining his take on election fraud.
Please listen closely. We have put together and you guys did it for our administration,
the president Obama's administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in
the history of American politics.
Inclusive, what I like is the inclusive voter fraud.
That means they're bringing in the Chinese, okay?
That means they're bringing in the illegal Haitians. They're including everyone in the voter fraud. That means they're bringing in the Chinese. Okay. That means they're bringing in the illegal Haitians. They're including everyone in the voter fraud. So that's one approach to voter
fraud. Again, you'll know who the criminals are when you see who's sweating here after this
announcement by President Trump, a special prosecutor. Here's President Trump's approach
to voter fraud, signing an executive order to end it all and put everyone in jail who's guilty of it.
Here we go.
Lastly, sir, we have an executive order for your attention on the very important subject
of election integrity.
We believe that this executive order is the farthest reaching executive action taken in
the history of the republic to secure our elections, among numerous other aspects of this executive order.
This is going to cut down on illegal immigrants
on the voter rolls,
ensure that the Department of Homeland Security
and the data that they have available
is being fully weaponized to ensure
that illegal immigrants aren't voting.
This will include a citizenship question
on the federal voting form for the first time.
This executive order instructs the EAC to cut federal funding
to states that don't take reasonable steps
to secure their election.
This calls on the Department of Justice
to vigorously prosecute election crimes,
particularly in states that we don't believe are in compliance
with federal law around election integrity.
I could go on and on for a while, sir,
but compliance with national election day rules,
cracking down and investigating and prosecuting foreign
interference in our elections, revoking President Biden's
Executive Order 14-019, which essentially weaponized
government to corrupt and pollute our election process.
There's a lot in here, but we believe that these are very important steps
that we need to be taking as an administration
at your direction to ensure that our elections
are as secure as they possibly can be.
Excellent.
That was like, I don't know,
that was like daily, like the second week,
maybe the first week,
President Trump in the in the chair. And who else is in the chur?
Somebody who is under attack right now. They're trying to pull the whole Elon treatment on Tulsi
Gabbard. We love Tulsi Gabbard. She's a friend of the show, a friend of the program. We know her to
be an excellent patriot who loves this country. It's deeply rock ribbed, committed to ensuring
that this nation is strong and that we are not
psy-opped into more deep state wars
and that we're not still hopped by the deep state.
Part of that is gonna be cleaning up our own house first
before we try and bomb any country in the mid-east.
So ladies and gentlemen, Tulsi Gabbard,
really incredible in the last meetingeast. So ladies and gentlemen, Tulsi Gabbard, really incredible,
in the last meeting with President Trump,
cabinet meeting, broadcast in the White House,
Tulsi, like, cracks open this can of whoop-ass
and says, guess what we found
when we investigated voter fraud?
Watch.
I've got a long list of things that we're investigating.
We have the best of the best going after this.
Election integrity being one of them.
We have evidence of how these electronic voting systems have been vulnerable to hackers for
a very long time and vulnerable to exploitation to manipulate the results of the votes being
cast, which further drives forward your mandate
to bring about paper ballots across the country
so that voters can have faith
in the integrity of our elections.
Oh, just one more.
Oh, just one more, Klein.
I just can't help it.
You want to bring about paper ballots?
You want to bring about paper ballots in the election?
Wow.
I mean, that's an insane idea.
It's like only the biggest, most psychotic
radicals could be in charge like would ever promote that. Right. You got to be like a right
wing interactionist to say paper ballots. What are you a Luddite, a caveman? What are you?
Fall out of a coconut tree?
Because Kamala Harris has endorsed this idea. In fact, Kamala Harris was the face of election security
in the United States Senate.
Before she decided that rigging elections was good
and would get her power, Kamala Harris sounded like this.
And of systems to audit,
but also what they can do around best practices
and best machinery. We are talking with
them about the fact that it is probably best that you do not have your election
system connected to the Internet because that will create greater
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Ladies and gentlemen, Julie Kelly joining us in just a minute.
Julie Kelly will be on and locked in.
It looks like the producers are telling me
that we need to hold for just a moment
and that she's not ready to join, so here we go.
There is something that we really wanted to chat
with Julie Kelly about,
so we might as well like talk about it right now.
What's the deal with this report from yesterday?
The FEI was planning on investigating Donald Trump
for saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
This from Miranda Devine.
We did cover it on the show yesterday.
I thought it was very interesting.
How obsessive, psychotic, vile, and venomous
the FEI was against President Trump in these new emails that have been released also by Chuck Grassley. Again, we're gonna have Chuck Grassley's sidekick
on the program. His name is Ron Johnson. He's a great dude. Internal FEI emails reveal rogue
agents and prosecutors in the Biden DOJ were looking for ways to pile on new criminal charges against Donald Trump over the J6 Capitol riot.
This time they were trying to use Donald Trump's involvement with the J6 prisoner choir based
on a single partisan news article.
That's really amazing how they do this.
The wrap-up smear, man.
Can we do some work to nail down Trump's role in this?
Said prosecutor JP Cooley,
oh, Cooney to DOJ colleagues on March 8th, 2023,
in an email subject line, J6 Prisoner Required DJT.
Trump collaborates song with J6 Defendants.
Song is beautiful.
I'm sure you've heard it.
The moment that we got to Mar-a-Lago after Trump's election victory, we heard Trump play
it.
And this is what it sounded like, everybody.
Like this is President Trump's message to people.
That he's not going to forget the J6 prisoners.
And he didn't follow through on that message. This is Trump just like saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
That's it.
That's all that happens here.
The left is out like raping, pillaging, rampaging,
burning our cities to the ground, burning American flags.
And Trump's...
Trump's recording for charity,
recording with the J6 choir.
These demons, they really do hate this guy.
They really do just legitimately hate this country.
It is wild that Cash Patel, upon his hearing,
to become FBI director, got asked about this constantly.
Thank you for reminding me of this.
Democrats obsess over asking Cash
Patel. For some reason, this little choir made up of prisoners, wrongly incarcerated, January 6,
Donald Trump just saying the Pledge of Allegiance, them just singing the national anthem.
This so triggered Libs that it was like the only thing they wanted to ask Cash Patel about.
Here's an example. Here's just some examples of that. He produced a song with the so-called J6 choir.
Those were individuals in prison for having attacked police officers.
Next topic. I know you've been asked about the J6 prison choir prior in this hearing.
Now you've claimed, you've claimed Mr. Patel, you didn't know about any of these people
in the choir, is that right?
Tell me about your J6 choir, what is that?
Well it's not my choir, it's simply a recording that was utilized to raise funds for families
in need of nonviolent offenders. Who sings on this recording? I don't know Senator. We just made a charity song where we sang the Pledge of Allegiance.
That's it. The end. And this was like the major line of inquiry. Oh, got him now, right?
Somebody who has helped out J6 prisoners, more than any
26 prisoners, more than any living person in the country, this side of Donald Trump, I think I can say confidently, is great Julie Kelly, who we're honored to have back on the
program.
Julie, good morning.
Good morning, Benny.
How are you?
Happy Friday.
Just on.
Yeah, looking to be prosecuted because I said the pledge of allegiance by the FBI.
Yeah.
I'm sure you read this article from Miranda Devine and these FBI emails.
Now, you know, you know many people in this J6 choir.
You talked about it on our program.
What does it say about the mental state of the FBI?
They were looking, they were like rabidly frothing at the mouth, looking to prosecute
Donald Trump for saying the Pledge of Allegiance in a charitable song for J6 prisoners.
Right.
So it just, again, shows these dirty cops at the FBI, these think that's a good point. I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point.
I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. He actually sat next to him in April in Jeb Bosberg's courtroom when he was holding a
hearing related to the president's Alien Enemies Act.
He's still following the law fair, JP Cooney, that he helped initiate.
And so what these emails demonstrate, confirm once again, is that they were desperate to
find anything because the J6 indictment was so
weak, four counts, two of them eventually tossed by the Supreme Court. They were so weak, that
indictment, that they were looking for anything else. So enriching himself or some sort of
conspiracy charge probably. But this is what Pam Bondi and her team and
Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are up against at this DOJ and FBI.
These aren't one-offs, right, Benny? We know this. This is a
systematically corrupt organization, weaponized
against Donald Trump, his associates and his voters. And,
you know, kudos for Chuck Grassley for forcing,
getting these documents for Cash Patel
and Dea Bongino to release them.
Bongino to release them.
And I am certain, and I'm hearing that much more will be,
we will be getting more disclosures soon.
Good.
I mean, this week, the disclosure of just the Chinese nationals and the Communist
Party trying to rig our elections is pretty huge. It seems like not only is that massive,
but also that might explain the 20 million disappearing votes that happened in the year
2020. And they also explain why it was covered up. Why Cash Patel says there's this locked
room at the FBI
that had all this like evidence shoved away into it.
Chris Ray was asked about this.
He's like, oh, that's nothing.
It seems like something obviously,
but what do you make of this?
Well, you know, it's difficult to get these documents.
It's not like we have talked about,
but it's not like Chris Ray or Merrick Garland
or Lisa Monaco just left all of these records
on nice little piles on Pam Bondi's desk
or Cash Patel's desk, right?
They have to really dig in, find the right people,
understand where these are archived or housed,
and then get them, send them over to Senator Grassley
and others who are requesting them, and then get them, send them over to Senator Grassley and others who are requesting them
and then release. So it is a very involved process with people still at the DOJ and FBI
who don't want to help them, right? They want to be part of the cover-up. So I see that
the president today is asking for a special prosecutor to look into 2020 election fraud.
We'll see how that unfolds.
I think that the DOJ and FBI are doing a really good job so far.
But if this is sort of the tip of the iceberg, even for China,
let alone all of the other malfeasance that we know happened before and on
Election Day in 2020, they certainly this is an almost insurmountable task
to expose all of it.
It seems like though the special prosecutor
would at the very least put a very large chilling effect
on potential voter fraud.
I mean, if you know that you're gonna take it seriously
and people are gonna go to jail
and you just have to like put,
just have to put a couple of people in handcuffs, right?
And like march them out and make them the face of this.
Then it really does limit the operation, right?
It sends a message.
It absolutely does.
And I'm wondering if this is what Chuck Grassley,
the FBI and DOJ are working towards.
And that could be some sort of perjury charge
against Christopher Ray,
because you've played
his testimony in September of 2020, where he downplayed any Chinese interference because
of course, emphasizing again, the Russians, right? The Ruskies are working with Donald
Trump and MAGA world to rig between again. So, and also let's put this in context of what the FBI also was doing at that
point, burying the Hunter Biden laptop, which they had had since December 2019, working intimately
with Chan out of the FBI San Francisco field office in daily communications with big tech to the White House, the White House
All of this was happening at the same time, August, September, October of 2020.
So this was a wide operation by Chris Ray's FBI
on the watch of Bill Barr, by the way,
the attorney general to do whatever they could
to ensure that Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump
in November of 2020.
That's very interesting that you bring up Bill Barr.
He has become a titular character in this story,
mainly because of his inaction
or because of his potential coverup capacity,
whether it's we're talking about Epstein
or whether we're talking about him saying, no,
there was absolutely no election fraud at all.
And we can put up map after map and story after story.
And we would do it for the next seven hours
until our voice cracked and broke
to talk about all of the election fraud
that occurs in this country.
It is, there is mass election fraud that happens,
but it's Bill Barr who looks at graphs like this
and says, no, no, no, this is perfectly fine, right?
Like it's Bill Barr who looks at the graphs
like the 20 million people
that just disappeared election to election,
20 million Delmancrats that just,
I guess they just must be such good Christians
that they raptured early, I think is what happened here,
Julie.
What the hell is going on with Bill Barr?
Like, can you explain this?
I think Bill Barr knew questions,
and this is gonna be tough for Republicans,
especially in the Senate to do.
But remember it was Bill Barr, on November 30th of
2020, who told not the president that there was no evidence, at least decisive evidence, of election
or voting fraud. He told the Associated Press. That's how we found out about it. So Bill Barr,
less than a month after the election day of 2020, telling the Associated Press there is no evidence that he was the only one who
was in the election.
Less than a month after the
election day of 2020, telling
the Associated Press there is
no evidence of election or
voting results.
How did he know?
As we know, it was only what,
Benny, at that point, 30,000,
40,000 vote difference in 2020
between a few states that determined that Joe Biden had, with this destroyed report, intelligence
report about Chinese interference to try to help Joe Biden, he needs to answer why they
kept Hunter Biden's laptop under and this FBI operation to designate any reporting as foreign disinformation. And I will add the
Whitmer Fed Napping hoax that we know, I know from my reporting and covering both FBI and
the OJ. Bill Barr, not only complicit because he runs, he's the attorney general, right?
The FBI is under the Department of Justice.
So complicit in either these operations, ignorant about it, which calls into question why he
was even there, but more importantly, his lackluster, non-existent, I guess, investigation
into voting fraud in 2020.
He has to answer these questions, Benny.
Yeah, I mean, his non-existent investigation
into that is non-existent, like investigation
into threats against Supreme Court justices.
And it is like wild that people still hold him
in any type of high regard.
He's probably the single least effective or most effective,
I guess, depending on where you're coming from,
attorney general, because he really was able
to like finish the job there in 2020.
He was able to like complete the dirty hoax
that they ran on the president and the American people.
And they did so with like this air of,
he did so with like this smug air of entitlement
and like DC swamp that is just repulsive
when you look back on it.
Okay.
Well, keep in mind too, Benny,
he threatened to quit if Donald Trump fired Chris Ray,
which he wanted to do in 2019 and 2020. Bilbar threatened to quit if Donald Trump fired Chris Ray, which he wanted to do in 2019 and 2020.
Bill Barr threatened to quit.
Now, unfortunately, he didn't allow that to happen.
Donald Trump should have said, great, I get a twofer.
I get rid of Chris Ray and Bill Barr, put somebody else in there.
So this is how he was not only running his department and the FBI, he was very close
with Chris Ray, but also attempting to bully the president to keep in place a wholly corrupt, dishonest, and partisan actor, Chris Ray, as head of the FBI.
It's incredible to have like, it's incredible to have actual motion on this, to have Cash Purcell giving up these documents, and to be able to hopefully maybe see a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. I know that you're very well-sourced, Julie,
can you elucidate for our audience,
what's gonna come next?
What do you expect out of this Grassley reveal?
This is probably the largest reveal we've ever had
when it comes to mass election fraud,
this Chinese operation,
linked of course with the border patrol finding
20,000 Chinese made fake IDs at the border.
Well, if they found them,
how many actually got into the country?
We know that Chinese nationals voted in the 2024 election
and those votes counted.
We know they're being charged and prosecuted.
We know that this op happened
and that it's still happening in the country.
We have the photos of the fake IDs that are all Chinese
that came across.
I mean, this is a real op, wasn't it Julie?
It appears to be that way. Now there are other reasons why people get fake IDs from China. So
that could be part of it too. But I am told that there is a lot more coming related to Chinese
interference in the election. So we will be standing by to see what that is.
But to your point, where is this going?
Well, we can't just have letters and records released, right?
We can't just say this was happening, these top officials lied, they covered it up, they
tried to divert attention away from election interference to, you know to the Whitmer fat-napping hoax or this Russian disinformation
campaign we were told about the Biden family crime racket. So there has to be accountability.
So I don't think that Senator Grassley and his staff or certainly the FBI, Cash and Dan,
are just releasing this to say, hey, we got the information, but look, statute of limitations
is quickly winding down, right?
So if you have a five year statute of limitations
on a perjury count against Christopher Ray
or any of his associates or conspiracy charges,
which is sort of what these emails about the J6 choir
and other emails we have.
Right, Benny? You and I have talked about all the correspondence between the
Biden White House and the DOJ, the national archives,
to concoct the classified documents case.
So again, this is the huge
agenda on the desk of cash fatality about Gino and Pam by me and her team.
So we know that this was a wide ranging conspiracy. But look, if we have a five year statute of limitations that that's coming up rather quickly.
So let's hope that this is exactly the direction where the DOJ and FBI with Senator Grassley where this is headed. We have Senator Ron Johnson on right after you.
So I just want to end with this.
What would be your recommendation given the fact
that you are a subject matter expert on January 6th
on this 2020 election and on the corruption
inside of the FBI.
Clearly the judiciary inside of the judiciary committee
is actually doing real work on this, which is, yeah. Clearly the judiciary committee is the judiciary. Well, I think. Real work on this. Which is, yeah.
Clearly the Judiciary Committee is finally doing real work on this
and we're thankful for that under Grassley and under Ron Johnson.
What would be your advice?
We'd be put together as solid of a case as you can
to send some criminal referrals to the DOJ
so that can get the ball rolling,
get some prosecutions going while we still have time.
Yes. Any names you would recommend?
Oh, I have so many names, but I think given what we have right now, we could start with Chris Wray.
I think that there is a very, very good reason that he committed perjury and not only his testimony, but documents that he also signed off on. It said the Chinese did not meaningfully interfere
with the election.
All right.
Well, thank you, Julie.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as promised, the great Senator Ron Johnson from the woods of Wisconsin
joins us crashing in from the Judiciary Committee and a number of other committees like Homeland Security
with some major breaking news this week.
It's our honor to have them.
Welcome Ron Johnson live.
Senator, a lot of news going on.
Actually, I didn't know if you were gonna be
in Wisconsin or not.
So I'm just kind of crossing my fingers and hoping,
but it looks like it every time I see
that beautiful mantle fireplace behind you,
I assume that you are in Wisconsin.
Yep, I'm here back in Oshkosh, correct.
All right, God's country out there.
All right, so let's talk about the opposite
of God's country, what was revealed by Chuck Grassley
this week, Cash Patel giving evidence of mass
Chinese manipulation of the 2020 election.
Can you expound on this and unpack like what you learned
in your committee this week?
Sure, first of all,
let me explain the investigatory process here
when you're a member of Congress.
First of all, whistleblowers are often reluctant
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They don't want us to talk to anybody else
because again, they're freaking out
about their name being exposed.
So right now we are depending.
I believe what happened with this revelation is that whistleblower came
forward to Senator Grassley's office and gave them some documentation.
Here's what's happening inside of the department of justice.
The Trump administration had to terminate a number of people within the
department of justice because you couldn't trust them.
They haven't been able to rehire,
and they haven't filled up the ranks.
So we are just sitting by waiting for documentation
from the FBI, from the Department of Justice,
so we can do our investigation, barring
having whistleblowers come forward with documentation.
So we don't have the kind of power.
Yeah, we can subpoena, but the administration's largely
ignore those subpoenas.
For example, I issued a very friendly subpoena
to Bobby Kennedy and HHS.
They're trying to comply, but the deep state does not
give its secrets up easily.
And so there's all kinds of roadblocks
we've gotten, a few thousands of pages. We've
got enough information, for example, to hold one hearing that pretty well proved that the
health agencies hid the fact that they had signals on myocarditis very early on by, you
know, February, March, April, May of 2021. But, you know, I'll use an example. And then
the reason I know this is I just met with Judge Troupas, who highly respected Judge
here in Wisconsin, agreed to represent President Trump in the 2020 lawsuit in terms of the
ultimate slavery of electors.
He is being persecuted with lawfare.
I mean, running up legal bills in excess of a million dollars.
We're trying to figure out to what extent is Josh Call,
our attorney general, and the people engaged in law fair
against Judge Trupus, how do they coordinate
with the Biden Justice Department?
We can't find out.
Judge Trupus was just in Washington, D.C.,
trying to get those answers.
We cannot get the documentation
out of the Department of Justice, the FBI.
So again, it's not that people don't want this.
It's just that right now the Department of Justice
is understaffed with Trump appointees
and the long-term employees, the deep state,
they're just frustrating everybody's efforts.
So this is going to be a slog.
This is not to, I understand what Julie Kelly said,
I wish we had the information, the documentation
to provide the referrals for criminal investigation.
But quite honestly, when the Department of Justice, when they turn those documents over
to us, they've got the evidence.
They ought to be doing these investigations and putting forward indictments themselves.
They shouldn't be waiting on the Senate as like a bank shot.
You're saying that they should be holding themselves accountable internally.
Well, again, the Senate, if we get whistleblowers
and we get information that maybe they don't have,
that's one thing.
That'd be a rationale for a criminal referral from Congress.
The problem is most of the documents we need
reside within the FBI and Department of Justice.
They have the capability of getting that
if they have enough personnel to do so
that are willing to do so.
But again, you've probably got deep-staters
who participated in this.
Now they're probably participating in a cover-up.
So again, people, they have a pretty good track record
of being able to cover up their wrongdoing.
And my guess, that's what's happening
within the Department of Justice and FBI.
Again, it's not that cash town, Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi
aren't trying.
Like me, they're like a mosquito in a nudist colony.
It's a target rich environment.
The problem is they don't have anybody there
trying to extract the information
to help them with their investigations.
Julie Kelly has done an enormous amount
of investigations on this.
And she says that Christopher Wray
may be guilty of perjury.
Have you seen anything to that effect, Senator?
It wouldn't surprise me.
But again, you have to have the documentation. And again, we just don't have enough.
So right now with the bombshell that the Chinese government,
you had whistleblowers, credible whistleblowers.
The Chinese government was trying to put fake IDs
into the system here in this country
in order to rig the mail-emballoting process,
which makes a ton of sense to us,
knowing how loose that system and securities were.
I was living in DC at the time,
there were like 20 mail-in ballots sent to my house alone.
I didn't ask for them.
And the border patrol was able to nab 20,000 fake ballots
that were printed for Chinese nationals
and trying to be smuggled across our border.
So how many actually got in?
And now we have Chinese students voting
illegally in the 2024 election, they're being charged.
So this really does seem to stand to reason.
Can you explain like the evidence that you have right now
for this scheme?
Well, in terms of evidence I have, it's pretty minimal.
You've had four years of the Biden administration
in office being able to cover this stuff up. If they had four years of the Biden administration in office being
able to cover this stuff up. If they had if they found evidence themselves, they
probably destroyed it. You got people not talking, getting this story straight. So
it's always difficult to prove criminal activity beyond a reasonable doubt
because criminals cover up their activity. So this is not easy to do.
What you can find is you can find threads
and you guys pull on those threads to see if there's more documentation, more evidence.
But again, just don't be expecting some bombshell revelation
that provides you all the information, all the receipts, all the evidence you need to convict people.
That's not how these investigations work.
Particularly when you've got the wrongdoers with their administration in
office for four years, try and cover up everything that they might have done.
So you're saying that you haven't your instinct is saying that perhaps a lot of this evidence
has been destroyed, or potentially doesn't exist anymore.
cash for tell recently on a Joe Rogan podcast said he had to go and hunt down a locked room
at the FBI, where hidden evidence was stashed
away and that they're going through that right now. Can you, can you elucidate for us that,
that process since you're working so closely with cash? Well, first of all,
we're something I have firsthand experience with. We issued a speedy HHS. The individual,
Tom Schimmel, Baccaro was in charge of the safety surveillance system.
So we want to have all the communications out of his computer.
It took us almost a month to find out, is he still working at the CDC?
We to this day do not have any communications, I don't believe, off of his server coming
from his account.
We've got communications where he's copied on them
or part of the email chain,
but we still don't have the information.
And so we believe he might've destroyed evidence,
but again, we're not there.
We're not inside the agency.
I think HHS and then Inspector General
is investigating this,
but these investigations always take time.
Nobody ever seems to have enough investigators,
enough resources for it.
Again, I hate to be such a Debbie Downer here,
but these investigations are tough slog.
I mean, it's really important actually
to show the beast that we're up against.
And obviously, you know, there was a lot of hopium
about the Epstein list.
It's like a good example, right, of something that you're probably just never going to get
because there's been so many years and so much decay and so much corruption and so many
people that need to be protected.
And it's it's not realistic to tell people that you're just going to get, you know, you're
just going to get all the evidence.
There's too much of a coverup.
So I guess that leads to the question,
President Trump making a ton of news this morning
saying there has gotta be a special prosecutor
to look into this.
You've obviously looked into it.
You've been one of the bravest single voices
in the Senate perhaps, sometimes the only voice Senator
that would talk about this, the stolen election in 2020.
Do you support a special prosecutor for this? Yeah, we need people with the power and the stolen election in 2020. Do you have support of special prosecutor for this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We need people with the power and the resources,
the manpower to go and investigate this.
We also need whistleblowers, people with integrity
that don't like the fact that probably crimes are committed
that would come forward because they have firsthand
knowledge, they save documents on their iPhone
or on their computers and then bring that forward.
Because if somebody else has destroyed it,
it's very, by the way, it's hard to destroy evidence
now today with the internet.
For example, Dr. David Moran,
this is the guy who wrote about
how he had somebody inside the FOIA office
that pretty well helped him avoid
maintaining records that could be FOIA.
So that's why he was sending everybody out to, you know,
contact me by email, by Gmail.
We didn't get that from HHS.
We got that from a university who's on the email chain.
And then my staff literally pulled that email
out of a production of about 115,000 pages,
pulled that needle out of that haystack.
That's what we're talking about here.
Now, to me, that was a pretty, that was a bombshell revelation that somebody pretty high up in HHS was literally
doing everything they could to avoid storing what should be federal records and keep them available
and make them available to the public under FOIA. They were obviously purposely evading that process,
but that was one piece of evidence,
one email that we got from a university,
not from the federal agency itself.
So you have to stitch all these things together.
You got to find those needles in the haystack
and then pull that thread
and see if there's other documentation.
But again, this is what whistleblowers are crucial.
Remember whistleblowers during Watergate,
wouldn't have gotten anywhere
without people coming forward and spilling their guts. We need people coming forward
and spilling their guts. Unfortunately, most of those people in the deep state, they're
not our friends. They're part of the radical left that is destroying this country.
So can you give people any shred of hope here that there's going to be some type of prosecution,
some type of criminal referral?
Do you have active whistleblowers right now on any of these said issues?
Obviously, you've been on the show, Senator, to talk about everything from the COVID cover
up to the 2020 election to the weaponization of the FBI, Hunter Biden's laptop.
Do you have any like, do you have any fruitful threads that are being worked on right now?
As I said, I'm a mosquito and a nudist colony. There are so many, so many things we're looking at and yes, you get information, but is there something
bombshells is something that you can remake public right away? By the way,
one of the reasons you don't make your evidence public right away is, uh,
you don't want people to know what evidence you have,
because when you subpoena them or you request their records,
they're not going to give you the good stuff. if they think somebody else hasn't given it to you
either. So again it's just these investigations are hard. I can't describe it any other way.
Okay. Let's talk about something that's really recent and something that's very much in the
news right now which is President Trump assassinations. Obviously you've appeared
with President Trump
at these rallies.
You probably remember the place and time
exactly where you were when you saw President Trump
get shot in Butler.
A lot of people talking about Iran potentially being
a part of these assassinations or involved in them.
I wanna just like start off,
you're on the Homeland Security
and Government Affairs Committee.
You've obviously have been read in perhaps
if Iran has tried to assassinate President Trump.
Has Iran tried to assassinate President Trump?
The only thing I've seen of Iran is that one video
where they had a robot buy a golf course.
That's the only evidence I've seen.
We have subpoenaed the Pennsylvania State Patrol to get all of their interviews with
people on the ground there on July 13th. So we're continuing our bipartisan investigation.
That also has not gone at the speed I'd like to because we're dealing with the three other offices
and some of them want to move faster than others. So I'd like to have our final report be bipartisan because it'd give it far greater credibility. But that's also taken a lot longer
than I would have hoped. So the only evidence that you've seen of Iran trying to assassinate
President Trump is the video that we just had up. You know, it's obviously a video, it's inflammatory.
It weirdly mirrors what happened with Ryan Routh,
which is somebody trying to shoot from the weeds
at his golf course as Trump's golfing.
But that's it.
That's all the evidence that you have.
That I've seen.
Yeah.
Obviously we have more.
And again, the CIA, our intelligence agencies,
they don't share information freely
with the members of Congress. They just don't share information freely with the members of Congress.
They just don't.
So what is, I mean, what is your take right now
on the frictions with President Trump,
bombing, not bombing Iran?
It's obviously, this was a hot button issue
in the Senate this week.
Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson made a lot of news
with sort of their back and forth, you know,
Tucker very well.
We know Ted Cruz very well, no ill will to the party,
but you know, this is clearly something
that a lot of people are very focused on,
but it doesn't seem to, there doesn't seem to be like
a full crystallization of this argument
made to the American people as to why we would need
to bomb Iran right now.
Well, Iran has been in a low grade war
with America for decades.
I mean, ever since they took over our US embassy
and held 440 Americans hostage,
they are the largest state sponsor of terror.
They threaten shipping lanes and the hooties.
You know, they obviously torment
and engage in acts of terrorism against Israel.
The October 7th attack, the brutal slaughter from Hamas, set in motion
a number of, a chain of events where now Israel, you know, finally decided they had to act. So
they've taken out Hamas, Hezbollah reacted by firing rockets. Israel reacted that, pretty well
destroyed Hezbollah. We've done a lot with the Houthis.
And then Iran starts directly attacking Israel.
So Israel takes out the air defense systems.
This is a moment in time where we can finally take care
of a clear and present danger and threat to the world
if Iran would become a nuclear power.
And they obviously want to become one,
they wouldn't have put up with these severe sanctions for decades where all they had to do is give up nuclear power. And they obviously want to become one. They wouldn't have put up with these severe sanctions
for decades where all they had to do
is give up nuclear enrichment.
We could have given them nuclear material
for their power plants, that's all they wanted.
They want to have a nuclear weapon
and a nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran,
that could be apocalyptic, quite honestly.
So I support Israel in defending itself
and I will support any decision President Trump makes.
He's not going to go in there and nation-build. I think the most we would do is use our bunker-busting
bombs to take out the Forto and eliminate this threat from Iran. Then hopefully the Iranian
people would rise up. They don't like being under the thumb of this brutal dictatorship, the mullahs.
So hopefully that would happen. But again, I don't think America has any interest.
I have no interest in going there
and nation build from Iran,
but I'm happy to take out that nuclear threat
once and for all, because that's hanging over our head now
for a decade or more.
Yeah, I mean, well, you can go back to the eighties
and find articles written in the New York Times.
You can go back to the year of my birth
and find articles written in the New York Times
about Iran is a year away from a nuclear weapon.
So, I mean, I guess why haven't they made one?
I think I can't explain that.
I can't necessarily say that until they maybe didn't have the moment
where they wanted to use one.
There's no, no, no sense in inflame the situation and encouraging
attack against them by having one, all
they had to do is be that close for the moment they finally wanted to use one.
Either put it on a ship and use one of their missiles to do an EMP attack against America
or use it against Israel.
My guess is the time was never right for them to make that mad rush, which may have only
taken a couple of weeks to actually assemble the nuclear weapons.
So I think that's more a strategic decision on their part. I think they've made some pretty bad decisions over the last year
through their proxies. Now they're paying the price. So would you be advising Trump if President
Trump picked you up, picked up the phone, called you, would you advise him for direct military
intervention from American forces in Iran right now? There's a reason, there's a reason I would
never want to be President of the United States. I really wouldn't want to make those calls. I'll trust President Trump to do it. I know in his
heart, he's not like war. He wants peace. You know, classic examples when Iran in his first
administration downed a drone and everybody's beating the drums of war, we got to retaliate.
Trump finally asked the question, okay, how many Iranians are going to die in this retaliation?
You know, first of all, how expensive were that missile,
or that drone, a couple million bucks?
How many people are gonna lose their lives?
Couple hundred.
That's not worth it.
Called off the attack.
He is a peacemaker, he's not a war maker,
but he also is gonna make sure that America stays safe.
And Iran with the nuclear capability,
America is far less safe. So, I mean, I agree, and it's the nuclear capability, America is far less safe.
So I mean, I agree.
And it's the proudest moment I think I've ever had as an American in certainly Trump's
first term was when he walked into North Korea and made peace.
I mean, that's a country that we're technically at war with.
Trump's not talking about potentially having Iranians inside of the Oval Office and like
come to make peace at the White House.
I think that'd be an incredible result here, actually.
I wish the moles would do it. They've had that capability now for decades. Just give up in
Richmond. Allow full inspections so that we know you're not a threat to America. Just do it. But
they won't. And that speaks volumes. So now we're going to have to do it ourselves. But again, I
think Trump has given them every opportunity in terms of negotiation
He's I think he's giving him an opportunity right now. They're just not willing to take it
So in the end of the pride pay the price and we'll have to take out that nuclear capability by force
Would you prefer that?
I mean that that not hat would you prefer non-american invention at interventionalism in that course?
I of course I'd prefer the models just recognize reality.
See, we're not going to have that capability.
Let's stop.
Let's open ourselves to inspection.
Let's destroy our capability
and let's enter the world of nations
and behave and not sponsors terror like they do.
It's like the thing that I think it seems to be a threat
here is Trump's domestic agenda, which is so important to us.
We feel like there's a nuclear bomb that's already been built
and it's already right here inside of the United States
of America is 15 to 20 million criminal aliens,
many of them part of terrorist splinter cells
that can and do engage in acts of terrorism
here in this country.
And it just seems like that needs to be something
that's eliminated first, right?
That seems to be like the most existential threat
to our nation right now.
And it's, what I don't want to see derailed here
is President Trump's domestic policy,
whether it be the rescission package, right?
With the Doge cuts that's in the Senate right now,
or whether, you know, the big, beautiful bill
with border funding and deportation funding.
It seems like that is like the most important thing
for Americans at the moment.
Yeah, which is why we should have gone the Senate route
and just passed the border funding in February.
You chose not to do that,
so now we got this big, messy, complex bill
that we're debating.
I'd extend the current tax law, avoid default.
But one thing I can't do is accept $2 trillion plus deficits
as far as the eye can see is the new normal.
We've got to do far more than what we're doing right now.
So again, we're working with the White House on this.
We want to see President Trump succeed.
We definitely want to fund the border.
We'll see how this all plays out,
but we should bring up that,
rather than the big, beautiful bill, which is not ready for prime time.
We've had in the Senate for two weeks. Okay.
We need more time.
We should bring up that rescission package and pass that next week.
That's what we ought to do.
Why not?
I mean, like, are there Republicans?
Are there Republican senators who want shows on NPR?
I don't get it.
I don't get a senator.
If we don't do it, that'd be my guess.
Again, we never ask people to just raise their hand.
It's all these private whip counts.
So, you know, my guess, if we don't bring it up next week,
it's because we might have a problem passing it.
And that's what President Trump ought to be pressuring
the Senate to do, get the rescission package passed.
And that we should have had literally dozens
of rescission packages since the Doe started uncovering
this $170, $180 billion of the grotesque waste fraud abuse. We should have had literally dozens of rescission packages since the dose started uncovering this 170, 180 billion
dollars worth of grotesque waste fraud abuse.
And these packages, which is, it's $9 billion.
It just defunds some of these like left-wing fringe projects.
We've already seen the effectiveness of defunding USAID.
The DNC is broke now.
I just don't understand,
has anybody made the argument to you Senator
as to why they would vote against this
from a Republican side?
Because you just need a simple majority.
Am I correct in that Senator?
Yeah, again, we'll need everybody in the Republicans
because Democrats won't vote for us.
So we'll need 50 of us
and then Vice President Vance would break the tie.
But again, we might not have 50.
I don't know who the three or four or five or six
who are objecting right now are.
We don't talk like that in the Senate, apparently.
We don't put pressure on people.
Again, I've been very upfront in terms of where I stand
on the one big, beautiful bill.
Yeah.
Nobody should be surprised.
I've been writing about having to return
to a pre-pandemic level of spending.
My 30 page report pretty well proves
the only way we can even contemplate balancing
the budget within 10 years is pretty dramatic spending
reductions to a reasonable pre-pandemic level of spending,
which by the way, shouldn't be that hard, Benny.
We increased spending over $2 trillion in one year.
Now we're
talking about, you know, reducing spending less than that over 10. I'm sorry. It's meager.
It doesn't meet the moment. We have to do far more.
So it'd be, yeah. I mean, it'd be nice to see if they can't cut 10 billion, if they
can't cut $9 billion, then how is that even possible Senator?
Right, like this is such a major test to see.
Pass out of the house, it's in the Senate.
It just needs a simple majority.
It's crazy.
So let me run some numbers by it
because I've been focusing on pre-pandemic levels
of spending.
So if you eliminate Social Security, Medicare,
Medicaid and defense,
that's about $5 trillion of the $7 trillion
we're spending.
The other $2 trillion, if you compare that
to what we spent in 2019, 2014, and 1998,
those actual outlays plus up for inflation population.
If we would just go back to those fully inflated spending
levels, we would save either $384 billion from 2019,
$578 billion from 2014, and $900 billion from 1998,
when we actually had a surplus.
$400 to $900 billion of savings just spending at what
we spent fully inflating.
That's the kind of control a business person would look at. I mean if
I've managed people right if I would have told my manager okay guys you can increase your budgets
Based on inflation and the number of customers we serve and then I come back and they go
But you're 40% higher than that which is what we are we're 40% higher than that under the Obamas 2014 level I just say what are you guys doing?
Get back in line with inflation,
the number of customers we serve, cut your budgets back. That'd be a five minute conversation.
Businesses do it all the time. Why can't we do that in federal government? It's because
nobody's ever tried it. Nobody's ever put the pressure on the process to do so.
I'm putting pressure on the process to do so. Well, I mean, Godspeed in that.
Obviously I think that that's, again,
if you wanna talk about bombs,
you wanna talk about bombs that threaten America,
the debt bomb is already here.
It's already exploded, right?
Like this is something that's clearly detonated
and we're dealing with a radioactive fallout of it.
Yeah, we've been having a chronic debt crisis for decades.
That's why a dollar you held in 1998 is only worth $0.51.
A dollar you held in 2014 is worth $0.74.
A dollar you held in 2019 is worth $0.80.
That's the chronic debt crisis.
We're trying to avoid an acute one, where
you have a failure of the debt auction,
and all of a sudden we can't borrow a dime.
And then all this deficit spending
is just not going to be possible.
We'll just be servicing the debt and maybe
have enough left over for pay some social security
and some Medicare and a little bit of defense.
Incredible.
Yeah, well, it sure as hell would be nice to fix that.
We appreciate it.
We know it's messy business.
We appreciate it.
One final thing, since we did talk about assassinations
and since you are on Homeland Security,
do you know anything about the Trump assassinations
that were happening?
Has anybody briefed you in on who Matthew Thomas Crooks was, who Ryan
Routh is, like his potential connections to Ukraine? All we get are the federal
filings, Senator, since you're on the committee and you have a clearance and
you can like go in these classified hearings. Has Intel like came out
and briefed you on any of this? Do we know anything about what the hell was
happening?
No, listen, I've been in classified briefings. I don't think I've ever learned anything that
wasn't available in the news already. So no, we again, the deep state, no matter who's
in charge just doesn't give up their secrets. So I don't know anything about the assassins
at all. I don't know anything more than what you know in the news again, which is why you
need whistleblowers with knowledge
Inside government come to for example journalists because they actually feel more protected going to a journalist than they do coming to congress
So again, I try and work with journalists like julie kelly and we try we try and work with each other in terms of what we know
What she knows trying piecing things together, but it's like putting together a very, very complex,
very small piece puzzle. You get little pieces at a time trying to see the big picture.
Man, well, we're massive fans of the work that you do. And obviously you're at least doing it.
But we're looking here at this resume. I mean, you've been on Homeland Security. You're the
ranking member. You've been there for a decade, for more than a decade, 2015. And you haven't
been briefed in
on like any of the Trump assassinations
that nearly changed Western civilization
and started a civil war in this country.
It's just, it seems insane, Senator.
This is crazy.
Again, we got briefed by, you know, Acting Director Roe,
but didn't really tell us much.
So yeah, they'll brief us,
but one of the reasons they give us secure briefings
is to try and keep us quiet.
Cause you can't talk about what you just got briefed on in a secure setting right so it's just
really one of it's one of the techniques the deep state to keep information
internal so they don't really tell you anything new but it gets you oh geez
should I should I reveal that piece of information again it's it's government
is power and as Lord Acton aptly noted, power corrupts.
We've got a horribly corrupt federal government.
It's throughout.
Okay.
And regardless who the president is, obviously when there's a Democrat, the
left to support his agenda, they try and sabotage the agenda of president Trump.
They did in his first term.
They're trying to do the exact same thing now.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the great Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin.
Thank you, sir.
Have a great day.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show
for the first time, Alex Sawyer,
who's a lawyer and author of Lawless Lawfare.
She's also a legal affairs reporter
for the Washington Times.
She's just an absolute subject matter expert
on everything that's happening in the country right now.
Let's go.
Alex, good morning.
How are you?
Good, thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
Okay, so let's begin with President Trump.
Some of the President Trump news that's happening right now,
Donald Trump saying he wants a special prosecutor
to look into the 2020 election.
Yeah.
What is the mechanisms for that to happen?
How does that work?
And should we be expecting that to happen?
Well, you know, Washington loves a special counsel.
It's been a few months since we've had one.
I was hearing some of your previous guests and I actually jotted down a special counsel. It's been a few months since we've had one. I was hearing some of your
previous guests and I actually jotted down a few notes. I think we could do well with three special
councils. You know, one, looking at the 2020 election, some of the stuff you were highlighting,
Chinese involvement potentially. We could also definitely use a special counsel looking at the use of the
auto pen and what was going on the past four years in the Biden White House. And then of
course you referenced this in terms of the January 6th pledge, but a special counsel
to look into all these trumped up charges that we saw handed down to the president and I was so excited to be here at the U.S. Congress and at the U.S.
Congress and at the U.S.
Congress and at the U.S.
Congress and at the U.S.
Congress and at the U.S.
Congress and at the U.S.
Congress and at the U.S. Congress and at the U.S. were looking at charges under the Ku Klux Klan Act for violating the right to vote,
had to go to trial for this, spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, just everyday Americans,
basically to defend their First Amendment rights. And so I think that there's a lot that could be
investigated. And I think it's a lot on the FBI director's shoulders, the DOJ, Pam Bondi,
maybe they could use some help. And so the mechanism would be for Pam Bondi to go ahead
and start assigning people in charge of these tasks.
I mean, this would be subject to the attorney general,
right, their discretion to appoint the special counsel?
Yes, it is basically subject to the attorney general.
One of the issues that Jack Smith ran into
with Judge Eileen Cannon down in Florida
in the documents case, if you recall,
was the, it's called standing, okay?
Like does he have standing to serve as special counsel?
I don't wanna get too wonky,
but basically with Jack Smith,
he was a private citizen at the time
he was appointed special counsel.
So there's some hurdles that need to be made
when Pam Bonney selects someone,
make sure that they were already Senate confirmed,
maybe already serving as a US attorney
that could take on this project.
So President Trump has also been handed
quite a legal victory here with Gavin Newsom.
He's now, there's a federal court that has said
on a three to zero has said on a,
on a three to zero basis that-
Yeah, even a Biden appointee, what do you know?
Yes, that's right.
Can you talk us through the legalities of that?
I know that that news cycle is dying down.
Obviously President Trump, massive W in that news cycle.
Yeah, I don't see why California would want to appeal
to the Supreme Court on this one.
I, that doesn't seem like a very wise move.
So yeah, I think you're right, it could be dying down.
But what we had was this spat between Gavin Newsom,
upset that the president sent the National
Guard in to protect federal officers and federal property,
the ICE facility, and all the unrest that
was going on in Los Angeles when the governor
and his local police
weren't able to step up and do enough to make it safe
and protect federal officers.
And so he challenged basically the right of the president
to deploy the National Guard.
And he found, as we see,
and I talked about in lawless lawfare,
a lot of these lower court judges,
they're favorable forums for the left to go to,
and he initially won.
So the lower court judge initially
said that the president didn't have this authority
to deploy the National Guard to protect federal officers.
It just kind of was a head-scratching decision.
So no surprise on appeal that you have a three-judge panel,
two Trump appointees, and one Biden appointee,
all saying, no, the president does have this authority
that there's evidence of violence
committed against federal law enforcement
and that this is his duty.
So then this is exactly where it belonged, right?
With the president and the president had full legal authority.
Talking about federal agents and federal property that there would be an authority for the president
to deploy who he needs to to safeguard those. Yes and it does not look like Gavin Newsom has
any sort of governor veto to you know do away with this Yeah, definitely a court win for Trump.
It takes him a while, you know,
he has to climb the ladder.
He has to go to these appeals courts.
He has to go to the Supreme Court often to get the win,
but he usually does.
It's that's part of this lawfare game, I think,
is going to these forums, slowing the process,
slowing his agenda, any sort of hurdle
that the left can put in his way, they have.
And they try to do it during the campaign, as we saw.
Yeah, something that I've been wanting to ask a legal expert,
and since you've literally written the book on it,
maybe you can answer.
When it comes to Gavin Newsom trying to claw back
the National Guard, sanctuary cities, in and of themselves,
it seems like neo-Confederatism.
It seems as though like there is an entirely different
class of thinking inside of this country
with specific blue states, blue state governors and mayors
saying that they do not have to abide
by the federal rule of law and statutes like.
Well, and they get so upset when they say
that President Trump isn't abiding by the rule of law, right? It's just there's no standards in Washington if there's, or in politics,
if there's not double standards, right? But it's an interesting thing you always see as you're kind
of getting into like these blue states all of a sudden want to ride in on the 10th Amendment and the state's authority over the government.
But it's just not the case, especially when we're talking about issues like you were bringing up in
California. These are national security concerns. And it's typically courts always really defer to
the executive. They don't second guess the executive on the areas of national security.
And until recently, really, until we've seen it with President Trump.
Yeah.
I don't know what your take is on the Supreme Court.
It seems like every week there is a decision that I rage against, and then every other
week there's a decision that I just am really proud of.
And President Trump has ended child mutilation madness in this country
by one becoming obviously a cultural vector against it,
but then two in the Supreme Court this week
where the Supreme Court ruled, I believe it was 6-3
in favor of Tennessee and against child mutilation,
which of course any human being with a soul
would be in favor of.
I find it ironic that the only people who ruled
in favor of it are child it ironic that the only people who ruled in favor of it are
childless women, which seems extremely strange. And the Democrat party is becoming quite quickly
the party of psychotic childless women in their agenda. This was the case this term that had the
most attention for sure inside the courtroom. Since they started live streaming the arguments,
it hasn't been as packed as it used to be after COVID,
but this one was.
There's tons of attention.
And when I left arguments,
it was no surprise that the attorney general
out of Tennessee won.
He had a better day in court.
And I don't think that the real argument here
and something we should really highlight is,
if you recall, it was a few years ago, there was a decision called Boss Talk.
And the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay and transgender employees in the workforce.
So basically a Title VII civil rights case saying sex discrimination is unlawful against
gays and transgenders.
You really see a lot of advocates trying to use
that ruling in different areas.
So like, for example, with transgender youth
and their medical treatment.
And the Supreme Court shut that down effectively,
trying to limit how far boss doc could go.
And I think that's a big win for conservatives
because there was some concern the Biden administration was trying to use boss stock
in schools, talking about locker rooms, bathrooms.
So that was a big takeaway from this case
that I noticed that hasn't gotten really much attention.
And the way the court did that was they looked at this law
that basically says, no puberty blockers,
no hormones
for minors looking to transition or suffering from gender dysphoria. And they said, you
know, the challengers say that this is sex discrimination. But this really turns on age.
If you're an adult, you can have these treatments. And aside from age, it also turns on the diagnosis.
So yeah, in some cases, girls and boys could have puberty blockers if necessary,
but not for gender dysphoria.
And therefore there is no sex discrimination.
And, you know, it was a clear win.
So you were there at the court for the arguments?
I was, yeah.
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Yes, it was pretty packed.
The press section was very lively.
What is it like watching
these Supreme Court justices ask questions?
We've heard that Sotomayor needs to like wear a helmet
to go to work that she's so low IQ.
Well, it's very interesting.
And I wish sometimes that there are cameras
in the courtroom because it's fun to see.
Same, same.
I think it would actually help the American public
have more confidence in the court
because they talk to each other, they whisper. It would actually help the American public have more confidence in the court because
they talk to each other, they whisper.
It's not always Republicans just talking to Republicans or the Democrat appointees talking
to the Democrat appointees.
There's oftentimes sort of my Orrin Gorsuch would whisper to each other.
Sometimes one of my favorite, I can't remember the case off the top of my head, but Justice
Jackson was on one of her long rants.
And over on the other side of the bench
was Justice Gorsuch and Justice Barrett.
And they were like totally entranced
on something on the ceiling.
They kept pointing up, talking about something on the ceiling.
And I was like, OK, I guess they are not
with Justice Jackson on this one.
Her line of thinking, you can totally cross them off.
So it's very eye-opening.
And I do think, though, that there's
a lot of civility on the court, and it helps the American
public to see that.
One of the things I note in my book actually was,
if you recall, there was those challenges
to try to remove Trump from the ballot all across the states
on the so-called insurrection clause in the Constitution.
And they took that Colorado case and before the court ruled on it, there was a poll that showed
a majority of Americans agreed that Trump should be left off ballots because of this.
But by speaking in one voice, the court, you know, that was a unanimous ruling saying no,
that the insurrection clause doesn't apply to Trump,
you can be on the ballot.
The polls totally changed, the majority were like,
yes, this isn't the right decision.
And it just kind of spoke to me that if the court
were to issue more unanimous opinions
or more or less politically divided ones,
that that would help bolster the public's, you know,
view of the court and confidence in it.
That's what I mean, I agree with you, actually. And there should be some issues that should be nine.
Oh, there's been a couple of there's been a couple of nine.
Oh, decisions.
Good. What was the one that was recent?
Was that is it like, don't touch our children would be one of them.
The other one that's coming up next week, I think we have already an opinion day
for Thursday, which
is one I'm really watching, is those Pride books.
I don't know if you and your audience are following that,
but out of Montgomery County, parents
used to get an opt-out notice if their children, pre-K,
age three and up through elementary,
would have to sit in on Pride and LGBTQ story hour.
And some of these books had kids spotting items
like from a vocabulary list,
like leather, drag queen, underwear.
And I don't know why, I have a three-year-old,
I have no idea why she would need to be reading that.
So the parents protested this.
They said, we used to get an opt-out option,
but now we're not being given an opt-out option.
We're of different faiths,
and we're filing being given an opt out option. We're of different faiths and we're
filing a first amendment violation here that we should be able to
remove our child from these readings if we so wish. The Supreme Court took that up and it was
all the justices were pretty, I think it won't be as politically divided. They were kind of like,
what is the point of a three-year-old reading a Pride puppy book?
divided, they were kind of like, what is the point of a three year old reading a Pride puppy book?
Yeah, well, try, try explaining that to Katanji Brown Jackson,
if anyone is even able to get out of the court before she's
done speaking. So you're saying that this chart is correct. This
is a chart. I'm sorry to just throw this at you here live. But
this chart is goes viral.
That looks right.
Yeah, the I'm speaking. Okay, so this is the Kamala Harris,
I'm speaking chart where Katanya Brown Jackson says,
more than double the amount of words
of the next two or three justices.
Yeah, she does.
Okay, so this is correct
because you've been in these hearings.
This is correct.
And I covered Capitol Hill and I will tell you,
so when you go in the courtroom,
you don't have electronics, you can't leave. Like if you leave to go to the restroom, you
can't get back in. But there's some lawmakers that do this, right? That during hearings,
you kind of know the ones that are going to talk such a long time that you have time to
run to the bathroom and run back and not miss anything. Tanshee Brown Jackson would be my
bathroom break because I know I wouldn't miss anything
if I had the opportunity.
Like she, when I come back, I could get the argument again
because she would still keep talking.
She's, you know, she's been a force
and usually they're quite timid
when they first start on the court, but not her.
So gotta give her that.
Yeah.
What, yeah.
What is a woman?
Joe Biden, I'm gonna appoint a black woman. What's a woman? I don't know. It's great. It's a great moment in time. Really special.
I've seen some people say, well, how come she hasn't recused herself from some of these
these cases dealing with sex discrimination if she doesn't understand what a woman is?
She's not a biologist, Alex. That's true, I know.
I'm not a biologist.
Chill.
I have a good idea.
Biologist.
My producer's telling me that she spoke
114 times more words than Clarence Thomas.
Yes, and you know what?
I will say the new format that they've started since COVID,
they actually go kind of, you know,
justice by justice and have them ask questions
instead of kind of a free for all.
And justice Thomas opens up with a question every time,
which is great, cause there used to be some arguments
where he just wouldn't speak.
And, you know, it's good to hear his voice.
It's good to let him kind of start the tone of arguments.
He's the most senior justice.
96 words.
I mean, that's unbelievable.
That is like, what a G, what a stoic,
like every man looks at that and goes like, that's power.
Like what a stoic and wise man
who can only speak 96 words and be so powerful.
There's just such a difference in questioning tone
when I look at that list.
One of the reasons I think Katanji Brown Jackson
has so many more words is there's sometimes
when she's trying
to actually understand the attorney's argument
and she's asking probing questions,
there's other times where I think she sees the attorney
that maybe she thinks should have the better argument
not doing as well.
So she comes in with her own kind of tirades or wrapped up in a question trying to present
about like, shouldn't you be arguing X, Y, and Z?
And so it ends up being quite lengthier than what you get from someone like a Judge Barrett,
a Justice Barrett.
She doesn't really have that type of, that's not her way of questioning.
Justice Barrett is not one to, you know, probe or push lawyers to make a certain argument that she
wants them to make, whereas Justice Jackson does tend to do that here and there. But sometimes
they surprise us, right? Like there was that January 6 obstruction case and I think it was
Barrett who ended up with the Democratic appointees and then Justice Jackson ended up with the
conservative majority there. So you just kind of never know. You kind of never know. Really quickly,
Justice Barrett, what's your take on her? Like a lot of people have been like, I'm very disappointed.
What, you know, since you actually go to these hearings and follow it, like what's your take?
A lot of people think that some people have come on this program and speculated that because
she had the left target her so severely and march around her house, that's affecting her
vote. Your thoughts?
So I have a couple of thoughts. First, when a justice tends to join the court, we usually
see them, I would say align more with Justice Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts at first. It
usually takes a year or so
for them to kind of break their own mold. We started to see that with Justice Kavanaugh. He's
kind of broken away from agreeing with Justice Roberts a lot of times, less so. They're still,
I would consider them in the middle of the court. Justice Barrett, I feel like she does tend to agree
with Justice Roberts quite a bit.
One court watcher I spoke to has an analysis of her
that she's a law professor, that's her background.
And so she kind of talks herself
into all these different arguments and ways
to look at things and then ends up typically
on the side of the government,
which then puts her not with the majority often.
So I think it's still early to tell, we'll see.
Especially as some of these interesting cases come across
like the birthright citizenship case
we're gonna be getting likely next week.
It has to do with nationwide injunctions.
Since she's a law professor,
they talked a lot about not to get wonky,
but like class actions,
if that's a way to kind of slow down
these nationwide injunctions from taking place so quickly.
There's hurdles that plaintiffs would have to go through
to be able to certify a class.
That was something that some of the justices
seemed interested in.
So that could be an area of expertise for her.
All right.
Well, let's hope so.
We're hoping we're not looking down the barrel
of another Sandra Day O'Connor, right?
Like, don't worry, she's such a conservative.
She's like, well, I'm Ronald Reagan, she'll be great.
And it was a nightmare, yeah.
Yeah, well, some of them surprised us.
I was very surprised with Justice Gorsuch
siding in the Bostock case
with the sex discrimination being extended
to LGBTQ community.
That was a surprise.
Very interesting.
All right, well, Alex, now we know who to come back
on the program when we have these kinds of big cases.
And it looks like we're gonna have quite a few
barreling down the pike.
And so we look forward to having you back.
Absolutely, thank you.
And having this massive thunderstorm.
Yeah, stay safe.
Maybe an IDF airstrike, some are saying in the comment section.
We don't know.
We're not sure.
We're not sure.
But whatever it was, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you, Alex, for sticking with us.
Everybody follow Alex.
Here's her ex account right there.
Again, she's a great reporter and she has a wonderful book out.
It's called Lawless Lawfare.
Here's the Amazon link.
Yes.
Thank you.
You hear from Don Jr., Laura Trump in there talking about how the lawfare. Here's the Amazon link. Thank you. You hear from Don Jr. and Laura Trump in there
talking about how the lawfare during the campaign impacted the family. They basically were very
convinced that had he not won, he would be behind bars. Clearly. And if they're able to get it,
you know, as soon as he gets out of office, they're planning on putting him behind bars.
That's a possibility I explore in the book as well. You're right. All right. Well, Alex, thank you for your work.
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a footage actually inside of the studio.
We had another camera rolling.
That's Klein. That's actually Klein.
It's speaking his native tongue.
That was our that's our we have a GoPro on the corner of the
studio. And so we were able to
capture that. And well, were able to catch that.
And, uh, well, ladies and gentlemen, it looks like it's time for an ass Benny here.
Here we go. Let's go quickly before another life before God strikes us down one more time.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Uh, yes.
All right.
Conan, the barbarian meme.
Trump. Well, that looks like a direct order, Jerry.
So get on with it, right?
Does that exist right now?
Ashley, Jerry, anyone?
Does anybody know?
Like I will, I'm sure it's the lamentations of your women,
you know, kind of thing.
That with President Trump face-wapped.
We got that for you, Ted Cook.
We'll get that next week.
Juiced, back again.
Here we go.
I'm curious, how could it play out?
What if in the near future,
it's fully proven that 2020 was stolen by China?
Could an extra term be granted?
Because what else would be a fair exchange
for people missing out on their actual vote?
Yeah, that's a great point.
We've often argued that President Trump
already had his first term stolen,
had a second term stolen.
And so why not? Yeah, obviously
President Trump could still be in the executive branch. You just have Donald Trump run as vice
president for JD Vance. There's no rules against that. Boy, oh boy, and he just moves down the
street to one naval observatory circle. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know exactly what, you know,
what do you get for that as compensatory damage?
If you prove that your election was stolen
We'll have to see juiced timothy's aher says can you make christmas ornaments of trump's win by counties available?
The answer is yes. We have an entire christmas line this year that we're going to be running and we're very excited about it
So there we go Uh, thank you for that question and uh also that
incentive Ladies and gentlemen, to keep it going.
Just let's grab just a couple of super chats here
because we talked about it yesterday.
We just had an IRGC attack in London, guys.
Uh-oh.
Really?
There's a little, is that true?
Was it an Iranian attack? I'm that true? Was it an Iranian attack?
I'm not sure.
Was it an Iranian attack on our show?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Let's keep going.
Elise, 77.
777, suck it up.
Gen X.
Like we didn't know since 1977 there would be Jack left,
so we don't count on it.
Took it out of the equation.
I agree.
Gen X and millennials, all of us are like,
we don't need these entitlement programs.
Like we'd rather have our paychecks.
Wouldn't we?
We'd rather keep our paychecks and pay less taxes
than have all these entitlement programs.
We can take care of ourselves.
Totally agree.
Anyway, I'm thinking these whole Iran-Israel thing
as a distraction from the Epstein files, absolutely.
Not exactly the Epstein files.
I mean, if I were to have a vote,
I would probably say a distraction
from President Trump's win in Los Angeles.
Notice how like this comes like right on the heels
of Donald Trump, like having massive victories.
One of them we just covered in Los Angeles.
Man.
Truck card by Dinesh D'Souza.
That's exactly right.
Dinesh D'Souza has done excellent work on all of this.
Check out 2000 Mules.
Best show, Benny.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, Ace of Spades.
God bless you.
Here we go.
What's wrong with conservative senators?
I don't know, Laguna Berry.
I tried to get to that question.
I tried to ask Ron Johnson about it.
Like what's wrong with these cucks?
Ron Johnson is one of the good ones.
S Joe says, Aaron Lewis opens his show
with this version of the anthem.
Hell yeah.
Which version of the anthem?
I don't know.
Freaking cool though.
Aaron Lewis, yeah.
We got 15 mail-in ballots in Bethesda,
says they love Charlie.
Yeah.
Dude, it's absolutely crazy.
All right.
Here we go.
Laguna Berry back at it,
saying my husband got sick
just before the 2024 election, passed away.
Oh, I'm so sorry about that.
That's awful.
But I did put in a vote for him,
even though I knew he supported Trump.
No, voting integrity matters.
Well, wow, what a story.
Thanks for doing that.
I guess what Laguna Berry is saying there
is that there could have been, you know,
very easy election fraud, you know, opportunity,
because she has the mail in ballot.
And here we go.
Giovanna De La Rosa says,
Please interview Ice, who is being taken.
People in the process.
I love my husband.
Two years.
He's believing the MSM.
He's still living there because we are doing things legally.
Please help me.
Please help me see him.
I don't know if I completely understand here, but I can announce that we are in the process of
locking in or have already locked in Tom Homan for an interview to be live on the show. So
maybe then he can answer the question, ask the question. All right.
So there we go.
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damaging British aircraft.
Uh oh.
Goodness, is that true?
Yikes.
Okay.
Here's something that's a great honor for us,
which is Steve Bannon.
Here we go.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, one more.
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Thank you for being such a proud member of the Benny Brigade.
Ladies and gentlemen, somebody else
who's a member of the Benny Brigade, I guess?
Steve Bannon.
Steve Bannon shout us out on War Room this morning.
Freaking awesome.
Here we go, here's Steve Bannon's,
do we have this clip?
Okay, here's Steve Bannon, this is my first time seeing it.
Producers say, give it a play.
Okay, let's go.
Great work, Charlie Kirk has been doing the great work
that Benny Johnson's been doing, so many other people,
just absolutely incredible.
The podcasters, this is a team effort just to present facts.
Remember, where we could go,
think of where we were a week ago.
A week ago, the chest beating, the thumping,
and I want to thank my Real America's Voice distribution
partners and my crack team here.
I think we put a marker out.
When we finished the cold open last Friday morning,
what did we end with?
We ended with the shock and awe of 19 March of 2003,
and also the march up to Baghdad, when
all the people, you know, were beating their chests and this is going to be easy and what
a victory.
What we still have what 25,000 30,000 troops that are now exposed to the Persians for counter
attack.
When you deal in the Middle East, understand that history can come up and grab you.
Okay?
It's unbelievable.
And then I evitate, and quite frankly, it's almost criminal.
Criminal what is going on.
In fact, I think an investigation into like what is the information Fox News is getting,
is money changing hands?
Are they getting ads? I mean,
I would actually say there you know, a farra investigation should take place a Fox News and
it should take place a Fox News like starting today. Well, we are the media now. We're the news now. Charlie Kirk, and it's our great and
absolute honor, humbly, to be able to deliver the news to you every single day
here on this, the single fastest growing news stream in the country. We're just
profoundly thankful for that, thankful for you. We thank God every single day,
we get down on our knees and we humbly ask to be fast and accurate.
Our verse of the day, ladies and gentlemen,
Ephesians 5, 6, let no one deceive you with empty words.
Ladies and gentlemen, there are a lot of empty words
right now going around this administration.
There's a lot of empty words going around right now.
President Trump, you gotta pray for President Trump.
You gotta pray for clarity and wisdom in these moments. There's a lot of people, a lot of like
internal fighting. We're trying our hardest. Oh, God help us to stay out of it. Trying our hardest
to stay out of it and to do the thing that we absolutely know is blessed, which is peace.
Let's start with the peacemakers. Those who make peace. The most justifiable violence in human history
was the disciples pulling out the sword and striking.
The mob that was coming for Jesus
and Christ had put away the sword,
you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
And we don't want this administration to die by the sword.
We want to be strong.
We want to promote justice.
We want to promote, obviously, the American way
and our homeland, our culture.
We are a people, we are a proud people that has a history and a future, but only if we
rid ourselves of foreign entanglements, much like General George Washington said in his
last speech to the American people.
Cannot be brought down by this.
We have too many problems here at home, and we want to pray for President Trump right now
for clarity of purpose and for clarity of action.
And so, ladies and gentlemen,
don't let President Trump be deceived,
and blessed are the peacemakers.
That's it, that's what we want.
We want blessed are the peacemakers.
Seems like that's what Senator Johnson wanted too. Cool, cool! That's what we want. I want to bless it on the peacemakers. It seems like that's what Senator Johnson wanted too.
Cool.
Cool.
That's what General Flynn wanted.
Cool.
We can get that going.
We can get that rolling here on this program.
All right, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you.
It's been always an honor this week.
We'll be back next week, locked and loaded.
Until then, thank you for marching with us. On to victory.
You know, in the end, we win.
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See you.
The Jewish state refuses to be a victim of a nuclear holocaust perpetrated by the Iranian
regime.
Why are you saying that?
Come on, come on, come on!
It's kind of a tradition down here.
We tape these videotapes to the missiles.
Each one is labeled evidence.
This one's about a president.
I have been training for this day my whole life.
Humans think this is a religious war, but I say, bah!
Imagine 10,000 tons of TNT landing on a country the size of New Jersey.
We have advanced technology these days when the
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