The Best Idea Yet - 🥤Frappuccino: The Billion-Dollar Brainfreeze Starbucks Nearly Killed | 29

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

The cream-topped, dome-lidded Frappuccino is the caffeinated crown jewel of the Starbucks empire. It helped the company break out from regional coffee chain to global lifestyle brand, made cold drinks into 75% of Starbucks’ beverage sales, and created a whole new language of filibuster-length orders (“Can I get a grande vanilla bean frappe, in a venti cup, extra whip on top and a mocha drizzle?”). But the original Frappuccino was actually created at a boutique Boston coffee shop in the early ’90s to survive the summer sales slump. Then a stand-up comic in Santa Monica took a blender and a big idea to make a version for Starbucks…only for CEO Howard Schultz to dismiss it as a low-brow slushie (Sir, this is a Starbucks, not a 7-Eleven). Find out how a frozen coffee shake went from indie experiment to global juggernaut, why innovation doesn't always mean inventing something new, and how the Frappuccino became the best idea yet.Be the first to know about Wondery’s newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletterFollow The Best Idea Yet on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting www.wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/ now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to the best idea yet early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Nick, I got to come clean before we start the show. I mean, if there's any place for a confession, Jack, it's a podcast going out to millions of people. I've had three coffees today. And that's not even unusual. Oh no and also the day's not over yet. We're like halfway through this thing. Yeah Mr. Decaf that must be alarming to you over there. Yeah Jack I roll with a different tribe over here. We call ourselves

the decaffeinated. So I used to order just the largest iced coffee Dunkin Donuts had. Hey Darlene two pumps of sweet and low for this guy. But now I'm going with the double espresso latte. I want one scoop of collagen mixed in as the milk is frothing. And then to finish it off, I'm going to make latte art with Vermont maple syrup. You struck me as a homemade macadamia milk guy, but we'll leave that to another morning. Because when it comes to coffee,

exactly I've noticed that we build these preferences, and each of these preferences says something about our character. Like your order, it becomes your identity, becomes your signature move, your own blue steel, but for cappuccinos. But there's one order in particular that's built to express your personal flair.

Absolutely. It's got so many options and extras that no two orders have ever quite looked the same. This product started as a summertime experiment to boost business in a boutique of Boston coffee shop back in the 1970s. Before being discovered by a Seattle-based coffee chain, you may have heard of who saw this drink's potential to help them conquer the coffee world. And they took the idea, they refined it, and they gave it a name.

Know what can really help you sort through these important issues? What? Orange mocha frappuccino! Yeah! The frappuccino. Its name is a combination of frappe, a New England term for milkshake,

and cappuccino, evoking Italian espresso perfection. The drink at its simplest is a blend of ice, milk, coffee, and syrup with a whipped cream flourish to top it all off. But its secret ingredient is customization. Customers can pump, sprinkle, and stir up their own signature order. The Frappuccino took order and coffee from a simple transaction, I give you three bucks, you give me a cup, to an entirely new vernacular. Now the Frappuccino's category-defying innovation is so irresistible, it became the gateway beverage for the caffeine curious and a dynamo for Starbucks' entire growth. When the Frappuccino launched in 1995, there were just 700 Starbucks stores, all in North

America. Now there's over 40,000 across the world. For the next 45 minutes, we're going to share with you why Starbucks initially resisted the Frappuccino because they consider themselves coffee purists. I mean Howard Schultz, he himself was disgusted by the Frappe. And we're also going to share how looks are as important as taste when it comes to the Frappuccino's brand domination.

We're even gonna tell you about an East Coast versus West Coast coffee rivalry, like Snoop Dogg versus Biggie of Lattes. Yeah, he's for the rest of the episode. We'll slow things down so you don't get brain freeze. Jack, is your green straw ready? My dome is stuffed. Here's why the Frappuccino is the best idea yet.

From Wandery and T-Boy, I'm Nick Martell. And I'm Jack Kraviche Kramer. And this is the best idea yet. The untold origin stories of the products you're obsessed with and the bold risk takers who made them go viral. I got that feeling again. with and the bold risk takers who made them go viral. Good luck. Call insurance for as little as $19 per month. Quick and easy, whether you're self-employed, an entrepreneur, a contractor, or small business owner, ZenSurance offers the unique coverage you need in a snap. Get an instant price today at ZenSurance.com. George Howell's eye is twitching as he grips the wheel of his battered old Volvo station

wagon. It's day two of an exhausting cross-country road trip from Berkeley, California to Boston, Massachusetts in the winter of 1974. In the back seat, his two kids argue and kick his head rest. His pregnant wife needs a pee break. And as for George, George could really use a coffee right now. So when they pass a sign for a diner, George pulls into the parking lot. But when they walk through the door and George smells that stale over roasted diner coffee smell, a little part of him dies inside. They find a table and a waiter takes their order. George asks just for a cup of boiling water. His wife rolls her eyes. When the water arrives, George pulls out

his own French press, a coffee grinder, and a bag of high quality roasted coffee beans. He then starts preparing himself a cup of joe, solo, just the way George likes it. Tell me George is a coffee purist without telling me George is a coffee purist without telling me George is a coffee purist. As George continues his elaborate measuring, plunging, and pouring, other diners gather around the table,

drawn by the fresh coffee aroma as much as the specter. Because in the mid-1970s, very few Americans are into coffee quite the way that George is. Yeah, we've all got that one friend who loves to give an impromptu TED Talk about bean acidity and extraction times from their latest batch of cold brew. But at this point, coffee culture in the United States is actually very niche. Most folks are guzzling freeze-dried granules, and if they are drinking fresh coffee, it's likely been stewing on the burner for way too long. But for George, coffee is his religion.

And back in Berkeley, he had found his tribe. In fact, Berkeley is ground zero for America's artisanal coffee culture. But now George is leaving behind Berkeley, and he's leaving behind his job as an art dealer. He's bringing his family to Boston in search of a steadier income. And hey, Boston's gotta have some good coffee, right? After all, Boston is where the sons of liberty tossed all that English tea into Boston Harbor,

which not only laid the groundwork for the Revolutionary War, but also for America's love affair with coffee. Jack, how do you think Paul Revere rode on his horse all night long to warn about the British? So when George finally gets to Boston after that long drive, all he wants to do is grab his turtleneck and beret,

head down to the nearest bohemian coffee shop, and let someone else do the grinding. He finally finds a cafe, orders a strong black cup of joe, and takes his first sip of sawdust. At least that's how it tastes to George. Well, George tries more and more coffee shops in the area, and to his dismay, he finds the tasting notes range from wet dog to I'm gonna say yard clippings. Boston might be a city of art, culture, and academia, but when it comes to coffee, it's a backwater.

This is Duncan country, baby, isn't it? And Darlene, the lady behind the counter, she's not impressed with your beret. We shouldn't dunk on Dunkin's, Jack. That is a cultural institution. It's not just the West Coast coffee taste that George pines for, though. He misses the culture that grew up around coffee in Berkeley. Yeah, this is an important distinction to make, Jack. In Boston, coffee is a functional product,

like a tool with one purpose. It's to jolt you awake and to get you moving. But on the West Coast, oh, they are wrapping a very different battle. They're going to a coffee shop as an experience, an experience to be savored. For George, coffee's more than what's in the cup. It's about the ritual, the craftsmanship,

the atmosphere around that cup. The retail is just as important as the product. And it's in this East Coast, West Coast gap that George spots an arbitrage opportunity here. What if he brought that West Coast sensibility to Boston? He imagines a place where baristas aren't just employees, they're artists, passionate about every pour. A space where the smell of freshly brewed coffee

invites you to sit down and savor your time. Honestly, Jack, it seems like you're describing a place where everybody knows your name. Kind of, yeah. Yeah, that's what you're getting at. Well, yet he's George. He wants to start a coffee revolution in the city where revolutions began. He wants Bostonians to wake up and smell his 100% Arabica single origin beans, and then toss the large regular that they bought at Dunkin's out into the Charles River.

Meanwhile, back on the West Coast, in Seattle, another group of coffee aficionados are just starting to gain traction with a specialty outlet called Starbucks. The shop is the brainchild of three coffee nerds, Gerald Baldwin, Gordon Bowker, and Zev Siegel. They started Starbucks in 1971 because they wanted Seattle to experience the delicious dark roasted coffee they loved, but couldn't find in the city. But you can't just walk up and order a flat white quite yet

because this first ever Starbucks, it isn't a cafe. It's actually a wholesaler. There are no tables, there are no chairs, no bathroom door codes to remember. It's just a counter and shelves, displaying more than 30 different varieties of coffee beans sourced from around the world. You don't walk out of here with a steaming cup of joe.

You come away with a 12 pound paper bag full of freshly roasted beans. You gotta lift with your legs, not your back to carry that thing. Well, the smell of roasting coffee beans is like a siren's call to every budding barista in Seattle. But it won't be until the early 80s that Starbucks sells their first cup of brewed coffee to a consumer, which means back in Boston, George Howell is actually way ahead of them. which means back in Boston, George Howell is actually way ahead of them. You hear those bells? Those are the historic Lowell House bells at Harvard. That means we're back in Cambridge, just outside Boston, back at the Coffee Connection,

George Howell's very own slice of coffee heaven, which he opens in Harvard Square in 1975. Look at the distressed wood paneling, the carefully crafted art on the walls, the cushioned benches that are just begging you to sit down and stay awhile. Jack, look, there's someone in the corner wearing a turtleneck, reading the leaves of grass, sipping a mocha, probably writing

the next great American novel. George has done it. He has brought bohemian artisanal coffee culture to Boston. Wicked! George's revolutionary approach is to import high quality beans and roast them lightly, letting their delicate nuanced flavor shine. A stark contrast to the dark more bitter roasts that were very popular at the time. George is also pioneering single origin sourcing, meaning he buys beans from specific farms

rather than from entire countries. By highlighting unique flavor profiles shaped by soil, altitude, and climate, or terroir, he's mirroring the wine industry. The beans may look and taste alike to most, and economists may call it a commodity, but George is building in layers, tiers, and levels to justify higher prices. And the response from Boston consumers, I'd say strong to quite strong, especially from the students. They're loving this. They become top customers of George's premium differentiated coffee. That painfully long road trip and the decision

to uproot the entire family. It looks like it's paying off for George. By the mid 1980s, George is doing so well, he opens a few more branches across the whole area. For George, Boston really is bean town. But there's one cashflow problem that threatens his entire mini empire. College students make up a huge part of George's business and these coeds are skipping town for summer break. That's almost three

months, a quarter of the year, where George's primary customers are just leaving him hanging. And the rest of George's patrons? They're not exactly lining up for a steaming hot coffee when the weather's sweltering. No one's ordering 12 ounces of dark roast at the Sox game. Surviving those long summer months is tough. To keep his caffeine dreams alive, George needs to find a way to keep his customers coming in, no matter what the calendar says. Yeah, it is. This episode is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Amazon.

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Chicago is America's hot dog capital. New York is its pizza HQ. Sorry, New Haven. Kansas City is the city of ribs. But in 1989, Seattle is wearing the coffee crown. Thanks to the Starbucks effect, an entire industry of specialist coffee roasters and makers has sprung up in the Emerald City. In coffee shops across town, young people take a load off their Birkenstocks,

roll up their flannel sleeves, and kick back with steaming mugs of dark roast, maybe while listening to the debut album of a local band, Nirvana. But our guy, George Howell, he isn't here right now for the music or the fashion scene. He's on the West Coast for a working holiday. He's trading stories with fellow coffee connoisseurs,

researching the latest roasts and seeking inspiration. Because even though his coffee connection has become a chain of 10 cafes in and around Boston, he is still stumped by this summer drop-off in the coffee business. George steps into one of Seattle's preeminent coffee shops, Torfazione Italia, and something grabs his attention. A barista is making a frozen cappuccino

in a granita machine. Technical term there for slushy maker, by the way. George asks the barista to mix up one for him, and he takes a sip. Wow. Yeah, this gelato-y coffee, this is unlike any brew he's ever tasted, in a good way, like even better.

It's cold, it's refreshing, it still has a rich coffee taste that shows off the quality of the beans. Jack, could this be the solution to his summertime sales slump? George inquires about the recipe, but it's so basic, he doesn't even need to write it down. It's just strong coffee, sugar, milk, and ice. As soon as he's back in Boston, he rushes to

his kitchen and tries to mix up one for himself, but it comes out a slushy mess. He soon realizes the art's not so much in the ingredients, but in how to combine them. So George calls up his right-hand man, Andrew Frank, to get him on the case. Andrew's official title is marketing director, but he's actually a lot more to George. Jack, would you call this guy a fixer? A trusted fixer and just as nuts about coffee as George happens to be. So George hands Andrew the challenge of transforming this recipe he discovered in Seattle into something transcendent,

something memorable, something scalable. Even though the ingredients are simple, Andrew thinks the texture just isn't right. The ice isn't blended enough. The drink is more like a coffee snow cone than a smooth refreshing beverage. And honestly, Jack, it reminds me of something we've talked about that Steve Jobs has mentioned before, which is the simpler something is, the harder it is to do. In fact, Andrew spends years tinkering with ingredients, trying different methods of making the ice, and brewing a whole lot of coffee until it hits him. The problem is the granita machine. It just doesn't chop up the ice finely enough.

So he reaches instead for a frozen yogurt maker. And the results are immediate. The new drink has a smoother, velvety texture. Andrew gives George a taste. And that's it. Love at first sip. But Jack, we are not out of the woods yet because this new creation, it needs a name. So Andrew draws upon his skills as a marketing guru

and finds inspiration in his New England roots because in New England, a milkshake is actually called, you know what Jack, you're from New England, why don't you take this one? What's it actually called? It's called a FRAP. An important note, it's not FRAP-A, it's FRAP. Just like when you go to Dunkin' Donuts,

you don't order a croissant witch, you order a croissant witch. A frappe is just like a milkshake, but with coffee instead of ice cream. So Andrew blends frappe and cappuccino to come up with Frappuccino. Ah, rule number seven of marketing, portmanteau. Because two words together

and just stronger than two words apart. So they've got the drink, they've got the name, now they just have to sell it. Now pause the pod here a second, Jack, because a quick problem. They've kind of gone backwards in the entrepreneurial textbook, haven't they? They built the product before knowing if anyone actually wants it. They're just going with their guts, or more specifically, they're going with their taste buds. Yeah, they are. So to give their launch a kickstart,

George and Andrew hand out two-for-one vouchers all around town. And as the summer of 1992 heats up, so do George's sales. This FRAP, it's doing just what George hoped. It is plugging the summer sales hole. But here's the even bigger surprise. The FRAP is a huge hit with people who wouldn't normally drink coffee.

This new product has reached an even wider audience than the existing coffee connection customer. Iced coffee wasn't a new thing in 1992, but if you're not already a coffee consumer, you're probably not going to crave an iced coffee in the first place. By blending coffee with milk, ice, and sugar, George has transformed a niche product into a mass market sensation. He's broadening his customer base beyond the coffee purists to include kids, teens, anyone who is looking for a refreshing and bulging treat.

But while everyone's slurping coffee connection fraps on the East Coast, another much larger coffee chain on the West Coast is trying out its own version. While George and Andrew have been schvitzing over their Frappuccino recipe for three years, back on the West Coast, Starbucks has been focused on something else, global domination.

Now Jack, when we last checked in, Starbucks had just branched out from selling coffee beans to actual cups of coffee. More than a decade after its launch, Starbucks is scaling their coffee shops. But the transition from wholesaler to retailer, it's about to go from glacial to full steam ahead, thanks to yet another coffee convert. His name is Howard Schultz. Before becoming the billionaire we know today, Howard was born in a housing project in Brooklyn in 1953. He first stepped foot in Starbucks in 1981

while visiting Seattle as a sales rep for coffee equipment. He loved the business so much, he convinced Starbucks to give him a job as their Director of Marketing. Howard and the Starbucks founders, they have a shared love of coffee. But honestly, that's where their similarities ended. Because the Starbucks founders, they have a shared love of coffee. But honestly, that's where their similarities ended. Because the Starbucks founders, they're about consensus.

They take things slow, they take things steady. But Howard, he is intense and energetic as his go-to espresso. He's wearing sharp suits and he has an even sharper mind for business. Around the time Howard joined the company, it had just five locations all in Seattle. And only one of them was serving freshly brewed coffee because their focus was still on selling

beans. Wholesale coffee was still way bigger than consumer retail. But Howard has a plan because Howard had traveled to Italy and he was inspired by a concept he had never seen before when he landed. People were sitting, they were hanging, they were reading, writing, chatting, thinking, all of it, while sipping an espresso in a coffee shop. That coffee shop in Italy, that wasn't your office, it wasn't your home, it was a different kind of place,

an important place in people's lives. And that feeling, Nick, is what Howard wants to bring back to Seattle. He wants to make Starbucks into what we now know is called a third place. Instead of being somewhere you grab a bag of beans and maybe a quick cup, he wants to make Starbucks into a destination where people hang out.

He pitches this new concept to the Starbucks founders and they're lukewarm on the idea. They're not into it. They sell brewed coffee. This isn't a place to hang out. For them, Starbucks is all about the beans, which seems crazy to us now, you know? Honestly, it seemed crazy to Howard Schultz back then too.

So he pulls the ultimate power move. In 1986, Howard starts his own chain of coffee shops he calls Il Giornale, and in a twisted move, he actually gets the beans for this new coffee shop from Starbucks. The immediate success of Il Giornale. And in a twisted move, he actually gets the beans for this new coffee shop from Starbucks. The immediate success of Il Giornale as a third place between work and home, that's actually his proof of concept. And if that doesn't prove his point enough, in 1987, Howard convinces a bunch of investors to back him in a successful bid to buy Starbucks for $3.8 million. Starbucks has 11 stores and is bringing in $1.3 million in annual revenue.

So Howard is going to use this new cash to remodel Starbucks in the image of his liking. Solid tables, padded chairs, and porcelain cups that you need to hold with both hands. It's no longer just about selling the beans. This is about selling an experience. And that experience is something people are willing to pay for. By 1992, Starbucks is a 165 store, $90 million dollar coffee empire

with year on year growth boiling over at 60%. Not too shabby. That same year, Starbucks lists on the NASDAQ with an initial public offering. Starbucks becomes a publicly traded coffee stock. In the same three-year period it takes George Howell to perfect his Frappuccino over in Boston, Howard Schultz has taken Starbucks from 11 stores to 165. Howard has proved himself as a caffeinated business mastermind.

He's also the guy who's turning coffee into a national phenomenon at this point. But here's the thing, he's not slowing down. Just like that coffee inspo he got at a cafe across the ocean in Milan, Howard's always on the hunt for the next big idea. The California sun beats down on Santa Monica's Third Street Promenade. Outside of a Starbucks store, a chalkboard offers steaming hot espressos and lattes. Inside, Greg Rogers stares at the half-empty tip jar as he wipes down the counter. It's the summer of 1994, and Greg's at a transition point in his career. He's a barista by day, and by night he's a stand-up comic.

But between his late-night sets at the Laugh Factory and the early morning shifts behind the counter, Greg notices something that's no joke. Business at Starbucks slows way down in the summer. At moments like these, Greg thinks back to another job he once had at a frozen yogurt shop in LA called Humphrey Yogurt. He remembers how there'd be these huge lines snaking out the door during the summer. So Greg asks his manager at Starbucks if the store can get a blender.

Greg wants to come up with a drink that combines coffee with the same icy indulgent and refreshing appeal that had people clamoring for Froyo on the hot summer days. When the blender arrives, Greg uses all his downtime and his improv skills to experiment. Eventually, he comes up with his own icy recipe of espresso shots, sugar, vanilla, half and half and mocha mix.

He whizzes it together with ice in the blender and offers free samples to customers for feedback. First of all, nothing better than a free sample. Second of all, what a go-getter. I love that he's not happy just sitting idly. It's like you and I always say, getter. I love that he's not happy just sitting idly. It's like you and I always say ownership mentality. Hire that man. Yeah. So as he's handing out the free samples, some customers say it's too bitter. So he adds

a little bit more sugar. Other customers say they want it richer. So he adds a little bit more vanilla. But basically this guy is using Starbucks as his own personal focus group. Little by little, Greg fine-tunes the drink until customers stop critiquing and start asking for full-sized portions. And that is when Greg knows he's onto something. Greg's manager notices what's going on. It gives him permission to start selling it in the store. And by August, it's accounting for almost 40% of sales

at Greg's Starbucks location in sunny Santa Monica. Employee of the month, employee of the year. Frame Greg's photo and stick it up on the wall, baby. We repeat, nearly half the store's business now comes from one barista's little laboratory side hustle project. And it's still an unofficial beverage. You can't find it anywhere else. Pretty soon, people start asking for this drink at other Starbucks locations throughout Santa Monica. So Greg goes around to all these other Starbucks shops and starts showing them how to make his little concoction.

Then, in a huge twist of fate, a Starbucks vice president stops by and tries the drink. He's just as blown away as everyone else. So he gets straight on the phone and dials Howard Schultz. And he says, Howie, we gotta get this new drink in every store. And Howard says no. Oh, he says no.

And why is that, Jack? Howard is a coffee purist. He shudders at the thought of people walking out of his sedate coffee Oasis slurping on a sickly sweet slushie. What is this? 7-Eleven? Howard wants to get new customers hooked on straight up coffee, not some new drink that distracts from the simple magic of the traditional bean that he felt so long ago back in Milano. Sorry Greg, but Howard hates your idea. And even though there's a huge business

opportunity here, Howard's just not convinced that this blended frozen coffee thing is worth pursuing. Yet. At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting

with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful. Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Howard Schultz, Starbucks' CEO, has just put the kibosh on a wild blended drink dreamed

up by a bored barista. Again, employee of the century. But here's the thing, Howard didn't tell that Santa Monica store they had to stop selling it. All he said was he doesn't think the drink is right for a national release. And to sprinkle on some more context here, it's 1994 and Starbucks isn't even worth half a billion dollars. Starbucks has got 425 stores and none of them are outside North America. It's basically still a startup. And back in LA, orders for the drink keep coming

at the Santa Monica Starbucks. Again, it's making up almost half of the store sales. And soon, people are asking for it at other locations around LA. So those stores get blenders and start serving the drink too. Basically, every Angelino is taking their Mercedes to Pilates with a frozen Starbucks venti in the cup holder.

This icy blended drink is clearly hitting a stomach nerve. Even if it's not part of Howard's original plan, it is becoming impossible for him to ignore. Sometimes, Jack, you just gotta look at the data and say, hey, maybe the customers know something that I don't. And that's exactly what Howard does. So he gets his R&D department to come up with a scalable recipe for the drink so they can send it out to all of Starbucks' stores.

They've got the proven market. LA has been the perfect cold coffee guinea pigs. Howard is on board with the blended, icy coffee drink thingy. All they need now before they go national is a name. Meanwhile, back in Boston, George Howell is grappling with an inner conflict. He's no Howard Schultz. In fact, he's kind of the exact opposite

as an entrepreneur. Yeah, he really is. He never wanted to run a big operation. He wants to stay small and independent, but he knows he has a mermaid-shaped target on his back. Starbucks. They're aggressively expanding, and they're eyeing George's patch.

New England. There's no Starbucks in Boston yet, but George knows it's only a matter of time before they're showing up. George doesn't want to roll over, so he hits the investing circuit. He snags some funding, and he takes Coffee Connection from 12 to 24 stores. He's trying to defend New England from the invasion of Starbucks. He's trying to expand across the Northeast, establishing brand loyalty from Nantucket to Nashua. George is stuck in a bit of a founder's paradox.

To save his company, he's got to grow bigger quickly and become more corporate. He's under pressure to become the very thing he never wanted to be. I mean, Jack, let's just look at George's Saturday nights. He's now swimming in balance sheets and growth projections. And that's when he realizes his heart just isn't in it anymore. He still loves coffee, but he's falling out of love

with running the coffee shops. Then one day, he's sampling some freshly imported beans for a stock order and it hits him. It's the business of beans that he truly loves. Maybe he can ditch the coffee shops altogether and continue his crusade for quality coffee on the supply side. So when Starbucks comes knocking with an offer

to buy out his coffee shop business, George agrees. For $23 million, Starbucks gets the coffee connection locations, plus their IP, their recipes, and George gets freedom and funding to pursue his passion for coffee production. Starbucks gets a launch pad into the Massachusetts market, and they also get one of the most valuable pieces of IP

in the history of food and beverage. Ooh, I know what you're gonna say, Jack. They get that beautiful, evocative, so fun to say word, frappuccino. Oh, put a little Italian accent on that thing, Jack. Frappuccino! Yeah, I knew you had it in you, that's right. The Starbucks frappuccino actually came from an acquisition

of a Boston-based coffee startup. Isn't that wild? It is wild, no one knows that. And the timing was impeccable. Oh, perfect timing, Jack, because Starbucks had just put the finishing touches on the mass produced version of the frozen coffee drink that they've been testing out in Southern California. And the final ingredient, the last thing that they needed was a name. So they ditched the coffee connection Frappuccino recipe and they slapped the name Frappuccino

onto their own blended icy beverage, just in time for the national rollout in 1995. A coffee by any other name, would it taste so sweet? For Starbucks, Frappuccino is a memorable, marketable name that connects the drink with customers and brings in new ones too. That last part, that is key jack. They're bringing in the new ones with the name. The Frappuccino gives this new market expanding drink an identity that they can scale nationally. It might actually be the most profitable portmanteau in history. Jeggings? Yeah, nice try. Now this first generation Starbucks Frappuccino, it actually only came in

two flavors, coffee and mocha. No whipped cream topping, no domed lid yet. Is a Frappuccino, it actually only came in two flavors, coffee and mocha. No whipped cream topping, no domed lid yet. Is a Frappuccino without whipped cream truly a Frappuccino at all, man? Another important difference between the two Frappuccinos was how they were made. Yes. The choice of tool is actually going to have a huge impact on the long-term financial value of this drink. Right, because Jack, if I remember correctly, the Coffee Connection recipe, they used a frozen yogurt maker.

That's what they insisted on buying to make this drink. But Starbucks uses a much more familiar machine, a blender. Yeah, pretty simple. And the blender makes it easier for baristas to take customer requests. It makes it easier to add different syrups, add some powders if they want, and add in other Bellis whistles.

Be careful what you wish for though, Jack. That simple choice of tool, it actually boosts Frappuccino's appeal because Starbucks quickly realizes that people love to put their own stamp on their drink order. And from then on, baristas basically become part-time drink makers, part-time customization wizards. And there's a case to be made that the Frappuccino catapulted Starbucks to a whole new level of cultural dominance. In the first week of its launch, the Frappuccino exceeded expectations, selling 200,000 drinks,

which then doubled to 400,000 the next week, and then to 800,000 the week after. We are literally talking parabolic growth here, Jack. We have never seen any other product that doubled sales every week for multiple consecutive weeks. We're not talking about a software, we're talking about a milkshake-y coffee. any other product that doubled sales every week for multiple consecutive weeks. We're not talking about a software,

we're talking about a milkshake-y coffee. A year later, 1996, Starbucks made over $52 million in fraps sales alone. That's 10% of Starbucks' entire revenue that year. The same year, it opens its first store outside of North America, in Japan, and jumps to over 1,000 stores nationwide.

So Jack, I'm adding it all up here, and there's an extra scoop of irony to top off our Frappuccino story, isn't there? The drink Howard Schultz thought might ruin his brand actually blew it up in the best possible way. In fact, Starbucks would not be the $130 billion, $40,000 store conglomerate it is today without one local coffee chain's little caffeinated milkshake. The acquisition of the Frappuccino, Frapp-quisition if you will Jack? I will.

It was only the beginning of its scale because Starbucks realized the real value would be in developing the Frappuccino like it was a Marvel superhero. In 1996, they basically doubled their footprint overnight by developing ready-to-drink bottled versions that you could buy at a gas station. That put the Frappuccino in convenience store coolers in partnership with Pepsi-Cola. But it's not until 1999 when we finally get

the first flavored Frappuccino. And that caramel Frappuccino comes with two big, image-defining additions, whipped cream and a dome lid. Very nice. The biggest innovation and package design since the bag handle. And from then on, the Frappuccino sales had no chill whatsoever.

Most valuable of all, the Frappuccino is a converter. Just like George first discovered so many years ago, this product uniquely converts non-coffee drinkers. It's basically the Catholic Church of coffee, Jack. The Frappuccino is a missionary product. Its popularity with teens makes Frappuccinos a gateway for building lifelong brand loyalty. Everyone remembers their first Frapp.

And just as it was originally intended, it keeps customers coming even when the weather's hot. In fact, yetis, we still see Frappuccinos impact in Starbucks earnings report 30 years later. Today, the majority of Starbucks coffee sales are cold, even in the winter. So the Frappuccino, it's left a major legacy on the balance sheet.

The Frappuccino walked so that the iced latte could run preach jack. The Frappuccino walked so that the iced latte could run. Preach Jack. So the Frappuccino has never been a bigger celebrity than it is today, culturally or financially. But what about the people that brought her to life? Jack, are you thinking a little where are they now montage?

Let's kick it off with Andrew Frank. Oh, I love Andrew. He came up with the all important Frappuccino name, but he actually left Coffee Connection just before the Starbucks buyout, so he may have missed out on a big payday, but his marketing legacy lives on in the Frappuccino name posted at every single Starbucks store in America. As for Greg Rogers, the barista slash stand-up comic who came up with the first Starbucks Frappuccino formulation, he was given a certificate of achievement, a $5,000 bonus, and a Rolex for being employee of the century. And he went on to a

career in PR. Now, Howard Schultz grew Starbucks to 3,500 stores and over $2 billion in revenue before stepping down as CEO in 2000. And then he did another stint in the big chair from 2008 to 2017. And he's actually come back for a third time as interim CEO in 2022. Howie, if you're listening, and we know you are, Jack and I have a great idea for a Patagonia collab with Starbucks for Apicino. We'll have your people call our people. And after he sold the coffee connection to Starbucks in 1994, George Howell, the guy we started this story with, turned his attention

to promoting sustainable coffee growing as a consultant for the United Nations. He also got the $23 million check from Starbucks for selling his Boston coffee chain. And we hope he invested some of that in Starbucks stock because Starbucks stock is up 14,000% since 1994. George still lives and works just outside Boston. So Nick, now that we've heard the story of the Frappuccino. Yeah, now that you've clearly had your fifth cup of coffee in between the ad breaks. Should we hit the takeaways?

Yeah, let's hit the takeaways. You go first. Idea arbitrage. Innovation doesn't always mean inventing something new. It can actually be about recognizing proven value in one market and then simply introducing it to another. We call this idea arbitrage. Identifying a product or a concept that's thriving in one place, but it's absent elsewhere. Creating an opportunity for growth.

Howard Schultz saw Italian coffee culture and he brought it to Seattle. George Howell, he brought the San Francisco coffee shop scene and introduced it to Boston. That was idea arbitrage. So what about you, Jacko? What's your takeaway? Corona says, find your beach. We say, find your frappuccino. Yeah, it sounds better. This is about seasonality. Seasonality can feel like a limitation, but in reality, it's an opportunity in disguise. Many businesses accept seasonal slumps as inevitable,

but the most successful ones find ways to break the cycle. George Howell did it. He could have accepted that coffee sales would dip in the summer and left it at that, but instead, he worked hard to create a new product that turned his slowest months into his best months. And Starbucks agreed, they were facing the same calendar challenge. Starbucks took that idea and then they ran with it. And today cold beverages

make up a majority of Starbucks sales. Don't let seasonality be an excuse. Instead, own the calendar. Don't let the calendar own you. Okay, before we go, it's time for my absolute favorite part of the show, the best facts yet. The best facts yet. These are the hero stats, the facts, and surprises we discovered in our research, but we just couldn't fit into the story. Letter rep, Nick. Starbucks says there are 36,000 possible unique Frappuccino order combinations and over 170,000

ways to customize all of their beverages. Some outside sources think it's even more, with 300 billion different ways when you count all the possible different pumps, double pumps, fake pumps, shots and swirls. Don't forget the triple pumps, Jack. And while that's good news for the people who like to hyperfixate on their coffee routine,

it's actually bad news for Starbucks. There was some horrible headlines about Starbucks having really long wait times. Right. Like people were waiting 10 minutes for their drinks. It's because of all these different Frappuccino flavor combinations. It's complex and time consuming for the baristas. It's why Starbucks' stock actually fell in 2024. Maybe Howard Schultz's initial instinct that flamboyant drinks like the Frapp could be bad for business was right after all. Maybe. But Starbucks has doubled down on the Frappe's appeal with limited additions. Like 2017's Unicorn Frappuccino, which I wish Derek Zulander had one of. It changed color from blue to pink as you consumed it. And that blew up across social so intensely

that it increased Starbucks' sales by 4% for the month it was available, even though it was only available for four freaking days. And finally, for our yetis up in New England, yes, Starbucks took the Frappuccino name and ditched the original coffee connection recipe, but there is still one place you can still try it, the original Frappuccino.

And where is that, Jack? At George Howell's Coffee in downtown crossing Boston. And by the way, the first Starbucks in Boston also still exists on the corner of Charles and Beacon. So Jack, let me make sure I remembered this correctly. That was a tripled shot, homemade macadamia milk, extra cream, plus the ala latte art? Is that what we got?

None of that is my order. Jack, I think I still got just enough energy to finish the credits. Get this man another quarter calf. And that, my friends, is why the Frappuccino is the best idea yet. Coming up on the next episode of the best idea yet, we're calling up JLo because we're going to get warm, fuzzy, and maybe a little juicy. We're slipping into the story behind the juicy couture tracksuit. If you've got a product you're obsessed with, but wish you knew its backstory, drop us a comment right here and we'll look into it for you.

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yourself by filling out a short survey at wondery.com slash survey. The best idea yet is a production of Wondery hosted by me, Nick Martel, and me, Jack Kraviche Kramer. Our senior producers are Matt Beagle and Chris Gaultier. Peter Arcuni is our additional senior producer. Our senior managing producer is Nick Ryan and Taylor Sniffin is our managing producer. Our associate producer and researcher is H. Conley. This episode was written and produced by Adam Skuse. We use many sources in our research including the story of the Frappuccino by Janelle Nanos

in Boston Magazine and the birth of the Starbucks Frappuccino right here in Santa Monica by Leslie Balla in Eater, Los Angeles. Sound design and mixing by Kelly Kramarik. Fact-checking by Erica Janek. Music supervision by Scott the Lazquez and Jolina Garcia for Freesan Sync. Our theme song is Got That Feeling Again by Blackalac. Executive producers for Nick and Jack Studios are me, Nick Martel, and me, Jack Ravici Kramer. Executive producers for Wondery are Dave Easton, Jenny Lauer Beckman, Aaron O'Flaherty, and Marshall Lui.

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