The Best One Yet - BONUS 🎤🎤 “What makes TBOY tick” — Nick & Jack get interviewed by AdWeek.

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

In May, we jumped on the mics for an interview on Adweek’s podcast, Young Influentials. In this 30 minute episode, you’ll jump-in TBOY-style… to The Best One Yet. - When we met in a freshman year dorm. - How we spun out TBOY from Robinhood Snacks, and how we rebranded. - How we create this podcast everyday. - Why we launched a newsletter, The Best Newsletter Yet. - But also why we plan to host this pod for another 40 years together. Yetis, we miss you and can’t wait to be back on the mics on Tuesday, September 5th. In the meantime, celebrate some wins. (And click here to learn more about AdWeek’s “Young Influentials” podcast series, hosted by Colin Daniels). Subscribe to our newsletter: tboypod.com/newsletter Want merch, a shoutout, or got TheBestFactYet? Go to: www.tboypod.com Follow The Best One Yet on Instagram, Twitter, and Tiktok: @tboypod And now watch us on Youtube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Nick. This is Jack. It's another day over our vacation. And today's bonus pod is the best one yet. It's a T-Boy. Yetis back in May, Jack and I got to be interviewed by Colin Daniels of Ad Week magazine. The magazine's podcast is called Young Influentials. And it was a great episode.

So Jack and I paint Colin and we said, hey, could we share your interview here on our feed with the Yetis for you? And he said yes. So in this interview, we jump in T-boy style to the best one yet. Because in this interview, Adweek, jumped in T-Boy style to us. So, if you want to get to know our story better, this episode begins 16 years ago. Back when we met in a freshman year dorm room. Then we tell you how we spun out this podcast from Robin Hood Snacks and rebranded as T-Bow. And how we create this podcast every single day.

We'll also tell you why we launched a newsletter this year. But also why we plan to host this pod for another 40 years together. Indeed. This is Nick. This is Jack. And today's bonus pod is the best. one yet. Fifteen years before this song, two boys from the Northeast met in the dawn.

They had an idea to cause a cultural storm. It's the best one yet, but the best is an norm. That's it. I don't even think they need to practice. 50% that's a fat tip. Tea Boy City on your at list. If you know, you know, because we're ready to go. We can't wait no more.

So just start the show. Start the show. Nick and Jack, welcome. How are you guys? Great. Fantastic to be here, Colin. Thanks for having us. I'm going to try to be a party, but before we get into all the cool stuff,

we always start with the question, what the term young influential means to you. The term young influential to us means that you have influence with a person because you've gained their trust. And that's great because Nick and I have put on a daily episode of the Best One Yet podcast for nearly a thousand episodes now. We go way back in the podcasting game to 2018 was the day we launched our first episode. Actually, almost exactly five years ago. Almost exactly, like right around this time, Jack.

And we think to win trust, it's all about consistency. And Nick and I are wildly consistent when it comes to jumping on the mics and recording an episode about the day's news. So we're just proud that like so many people have decided to trust us and listen to us every day for their scoop on the morning's news and to feel brighter with Nick and me chatting it up like we did in college when we met freshman year. Jack nailed it with the trust point. That is absolutely it. It all comes down to trust that you gain through consistency. And one way that we see this, one way we see young influentials, is with Jack and I like to say, and this is a takeaway we've done on the pod.

Tech companies have users. It's very functional. Most companies have customers, which is very transactional. But young influentials tend to have fans. And we really think of fans as the sign that someone is able to be influential. And we're fortunate that we have fans on our podcast, and it's a sign that someone loves and wants to share what you're doing. And spoiler, everybody.

I am living the dream because I've been a fan since day one. So this is just like unreal. So everybody let that sink in. Colin is a legendary long time, Yeti, as we like to say. Oh my gosh, yes. But take us back to childhood Nick and Jack, where you guys like always into podcasting or audio or storytelling,

like where did it kind of the genesis into this room kind of like get that stem from? Man, we became podcasters by accident. We were given an opportunity and we took it. Podcasting was not on our roadmap. But in 2018, when we got an invitation

to come audition for a podcast, we took the invitation. Nick and I kind of looked at each other and we said, try it out. All right, why not? And we flew into New York City to audition.

And we spoke into microphones for an hour together. It was a very rough episode. It was not what it looks like or sounds like today. But the person on the other side who was judging us decided we have some chemistry and we have personality and gave us the offer for a pilot season of a podcast. But on one condition that you do it daily. And we looked at each other and we're like, no way we can do this daily.

That is rough. But we ultimately spent the whole summer committed fully to this podcast because we believed that we had an opportunity to fill a void in daily business news. And so we did it. And it wasn't just 90 episodes. One of the reasons we got the podcast is because we had been storytelling for a few years. Like Jack and I, we actually, right after school, worked in finance both of us and then realized it wasn't exactly what we were hoping for in a career, that there were great elements to finance and the business industry. But we felt like there was something missing. When you're working as an analyst, there isn't much storytelling you're doing with spreadsheets.

So Jack and I started a side hustle where we started storytelling business news to our newsletter base. And we built out a newsletter business called Market Snacks. And that's what eventually led to the podcast. It's funny. We're kind of going in reverse chronological order here. Yeah, we are. Which I'm all for. Which is a form of storytelling, Jack.

So freshman year, Nick and I were randomly placed as roommates together. And like, we didn't know each other. We'd connected on Facebook just weeks prior to moving in together. But we bonded over a mutual love of Seinfeld. So there's some story telling that we left together. Totally. Nick's born and raised in New York City, like on Manhattan Island. I'm born and raised in rural Vermont.

Ooh. Yeah. But we found this like common love of Seinfeld, which was hilarious. Yeah, we just, we hit it off. But the first audio I listened to was the show called Car Talk on like public radio in Boston. It's those two Italian brothers who are mechanics. and they get callers who call in and say, like, my carburetor's not working. My engine's got a funny sound.

Why does that check engine like constantly come back on? Should I worry about it? And these two brothers who worked in a garage for a long time together, they just have so much fun, like hilariously responding to these people. They love to laugh. And when Nick and I saw that podcasting was working for us, we eventually decided to stop doing the daily email newsletter. Nick referred to. And we're like, could this be a career, like podcasting? And the answer is

absolutely. And we look at that radio show. Those guys, they put on a show for like, until they were 70 years old. They had that show going for decades. And we look at that. We're like, that's a model. They were obviously radio. Podcasting is radio, but better and more convenient and on demand. We're going to do what they did. We're going to keep doing the show until we're 70 years old and we finally hang up the mics. And I feel you guys read a good point. too, like when you guys were saying like the like child inspiration like car talking all those like I feel like one of the first um once I got me into was like Delilah do you guys remember her Delilah oh yeah oh yeah yeah she would and I still

and I still love how people would be like hey Delilah my goat went away again and I just want to know and I just felt like how she could there's a song for your goat literally she would she would just the art of conversation like you guys said taking like business news where it's not really like the digestible is like kind of being able to like talk to people meet them where they are and really bring whatever to life and be able to explain what's going on to like wider people around them which I think is so cool in itself. And Colin, that's exactly the idea we try to capture in our brand. Like the logo, the image, the look, just the name, the best one yet.

The reason the shows call that is because like Jack said, every pod we do, we think was the best one yet. The next one is going to be the best one yet. And what we realized is that, yes, we were talking about business news. That is the topic. But really what resonates with people is the feeling. Is that T-boy the best one yet feeling? And that's what storytelling can do.

That's what Delilah did. That's what the car talk guys did. It was never really about the carburetor. That was the interesting information you got. What it was was getting an insight into their fraternal fun and their friendship and their relationship and the chemistry. And that's what comes across in great storytelling. I absolutely love audio because with video, everything is YouTube and a social media app.

And there's so much demand for our attention. There's just a constant demand for action and the next thing. Audio, on the other hand, is the perfect multitasking medium. And it has been for a hundred years. And that's why we're so bullish on podcasting. Because I think there's always going to be a demand to get your news and have a companion in your ears while you're doing other things. And we've seen it in the level of engagement. Like Jack and I have played in the newsletter game.

We've played in the video game and we've done pure audio. And what we found is that there's just this intimacy that comes with audio, that you're hanging out with someone, that there's a relationship you get, that Jack and I get to have with these listeners, that you can't get in the same way with print and you can't totally get with video when it's so literal. There's just something more intimate that leads to a deeper,

a long-term connection with audio. And we just had a lot of fun with that. No, that's so true because I'm one of those that I'll be like cooking or whatever or like doing laundry and I'll put on like, I don't know, like the daily from NPR, from New York Times or something else. And I'll just be doing a chore and it's like, wow, I feel like they're right here with me, you know, helping me like defrost this chicken for Taco Tuesday. Hey, Michael, bye-bye, what do you want?

I'm like, I'm like, oh, he like, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, God. Guys, he likes sour cream on his tacos. Like, don't worry about, he's good. When Nick was talking about intimacy, I thought he was going to go full ASMR on. I should have dropped an octave lower Jack. This is what Jack and I love about. But you guys just brought up a good point. Like what newsletters, I feel like with everybody listening, I feel like the big question is like, oh, our newsletter is still worth it.

Like, how do we grow our email list? And so like just going back to the newsletter element, how did you guys kind of synthesize it? It's like we said for our attention. Everybody's fighting for attention. The newsletters, I feel like, are something that it'll either, people will click on it or won't. And it's kind of like endless equation of what's too much to put in there. What's enough? What's too little?

Well, Jack and I have focused this part of our careers on audio and podcasting, like we told you. But we started out in the newsletter game. And we're still definitely bullish on newsletters. And there are a few reasons for that. First of all, people have been saying that, like, email is going to die for years. that was like part of Slack going public. That was like a key theme for them. But the reality is email hasn't gone anywhere

and it's probably not going anywhere for a while. Plus you have everyone has email. So that inbox is kind of like what Jack and I say. It's like inbox real estate. Every day people check their email. And every day there's like a bunch of things at the top that are valuable. And newsletters get there directly. There's no middleman really.

So unlike podcasting or video where you have a middleman like a Spotify or a YouTube. Newsletters are direct. You get access to someone in an intimate place, their email, where they keep all their personal stuff, and you can do it very consistently. So newsletter is functionally still make a lot of sense to answer that question.

You know how I mentioned that podcasting is the same thing as radio, but like better and on demand? Yes. That is, there's a similar analogy with newsletters, which is they're newspapers. But they're better and they're on demand and your fingers don't get all blackened. gray or whatever.

And like when you guys were starting it, did you feel like there needed to be like certain elements or certain images in there? Like how did you, were there like, was that like a formula for like, oh, this is what we need to put in there to make sure eyes are on it? Glad you asked on because Black and I are very formulaic

about how we approach the content we put out. Basically, when you're doing a daily show or a daily product, you know, a newsletter or a podcast like Jack and I have done, it really is about the routine and consistency. And in order to consistently do something daily, it needs to be as efficient as possible. So as a result, Jack and I built out a bunch of formulas

for how we do our content. Our daily podcast show, it follows a formula. There's a climax to every story, a takeaway, an intro, an outro, a user-generated segment, shout-outs at the end. There's a consistency to the formula, and we apply that formula every day

because we found out what work. Same with newsletters. We had a formula for that, too. And we often share his advice for other founders, entrepreneurs who want to start newsletters is the formula should have some key elements in it. So one of them is Jack and I always said you want to begin with an opening hook, something to grab attention, because that first impression is key as to whether someone deletes you from the inbox or moves on or no.

So you want to start with a hook. Then we always point out that most likely it's going to be read on mobile. So you do not want long paragraphs and long sentences. You want this to be mobile first, mobile friendly and how you write. And then we often say you want to have a. a fun treat at the end. Jack and I used to add a fact of the day at the end so that once you finished the newsletter, you knew you had something to look forward to like a dessert. And we give the same advice today. You want to have something at the end that made going through the

reading process worthwhile and exciting. Like Jack and I would say, we're all competing in the attention economy. Like attention is what everyone has a limited amount of and yet there are all these products that are trying to take attention. So it's like a market share of attention. And you want to get a part of that. And that means you'd be very thoughtful about the words, the sentences you use. A lot of times when people have come to us for advice on newsletters, it's often because they're writing so much or they haven't edited it down or they haven't thought about like a format that's consistent. And what people want is they, if they're going to give you their attention, in return, they typically want something that's efficient,

clear, and expected, but then filled with little surprises throughout. A little snack, if we will. A little razzle, a little razzle, a little sprinkle dinkle. Okay, so fast forwarding today for everybody who's like, oh, they have a podcast. What is this? Walk us down of how T-Boy came about and what T-Boy is for those who aren't as familiar. Well, to pick up where Jack and I left off when we did our backwards chronology history play, after Jack and I launched the newsletter company, Market Snacks, and then expanded into podcasting with Market Snacks, we sold that company to Robin Hood, the stock trading app, where it was.

rebranded as Robin Hood Snacks, where you may have heard our podcast, Snacks Daily. Jack and I spent three great, exciting years at Robin Hood. And then after three years at Robin Hood, we worked with the founders who were a couple great guys on a spinoff deal where Jack and I got to take the podcast that we built up at Robin Hood, Snacks Daily, and turn it into our own independent company, fully run by Jack and me. And that podcast is the same podcast, same content, same style, same audience, we just rebranded it as the best one yet, also known as T-Boy. And like, when you guys were coming about rebranding, so I know a lot of times like brands and stuff where if I were listening, they're like, oh, rebranded, that's so scary.

Like, how do we make sure that people know that this is us still and our, we keep the, like, let them know that it says nothing's changed? Like, did you guys feel like there were any, like, key elements that you had to do or, like, post-wise or let people know that, hey, this is still us and everything, you're still getting the same thing. were just changing the name or nothing else is changing. But did you guys feel like that was stressful or scary when you were doing that? It was, yeah. I mean, Nick and I kind of held hands and jumped into the water together.

But no, it was very important that we clearly communicate to our audience what was happening. So we went dark on like, our last regular episode was a Thursday. And then on Friday, we had just a mysterious, like, we're working on something. We'll talk to you next week. And then Monday, we relaunched as the best one yet. And it just came up in people's feeds. They'd already subscribed to the show. And suddenly the show had a new name and a new podcast artwork, both on our show and on social media.

We very clearly announced what was going on. We said, yeah, we just clearly said, you know, after three years of being at Robin Hood, we've decided to become entrepreneurs again. This show is going to continue, but not as snacks daily as the best one. yet. And we had a few more bullet points of a very clear information. And then once we were done with all that, we're like, this is friggin awesome. We celebrated the win. We get to keep doing this show. But as entrepreneurs, like Nick and I had really found a dream come true. And that dream is just, you know, we can be those car talk guys. Like, we can host and run our own show for another 40 years. And that's what we wanted to do. So although the show was the same in so many ways, it was actually

better because Nick and I were 100% controlling our own destiny again. And that freedom was incredible. And it lets us just be our 100% of our own selves even more. And really, the whole rebranding process was fun. We did that prior to the launch. Jack and I also invested a lot in the rebrand. We didn't just like toss a logo on. It was months in the making. Months in the making. We worked with a brand strategist to almost therapeutically figure out our identity. And even though we never changed the content, the brand looks totally different now. And it's because we realized more who we really were and what we were communicating. Our show is three daily business news stories that we think you got to know and you'll want to know and that you didn't even realize

you should know. And that was what the show always has been. And yet by investing in the strategy behind that, it then led to an understanding of who our audience was, what our messaging was, what our product really was, what the feeling was, which then let us hand that over to a designer who created our logo. We handed that strategy deck then over to a couple rappers based in Texas who composed a rap jingle for our podcast. And we basically have used that brand strategy guide to guide all of our decisions. Like Jack and I use that guide when we're choosing stories,

when we're making big product decisions, when we're making big strategic choices. And so investing in a rebrand really was a powerful change for us. We decided that the word that we wanted to strive for with our show was brighter. Yeah. It was an amazing revelation when we realized that that was our brand North Star was to make our audience feel brighter. Because if you're running a business and writing a daily product,

you're going to just face decisions all the time. And you might feel decision fatigue. And how do you decide, especially if you have partners, how do you decide what to do during tough decisions? Well, our guiding force is, will this make our audience feel brighter? And brighter is such a great word because it's both a feeling of positivity, but it also means like smarter. And that's what we try to do with the show.

And before we had that word and sort of that North Star that I keep referring to, we would just kind of go with our gut. But going with your gut is hard when you don't have words to describe what your gut wants. And so we basically just articulated our gut with a few key vocabulary words that Nick and I refer to when we're making tough decisions. And it's really helped us make decisions quicker and with more confidence. No, I love that because that's so true because oftentimes I'll listen to a story and I'll repeat it back.

And they'll be like, oh, wow, you knew about that stock trait. And then I like sit back. I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of a, kind of a fine-in-counter condescary guy. It just came to me, you know, as I was on the subway. And then you just sit back here. It's like, oh, wow, they know their stuff. To those just listening, Nick Cullen was looking at his nails, as he said, I'm a finance entrepreneur.

And to go back to your first question, Colin, about storytelling, like that is what Jack and I strive for with storytelling, is if we can get something that you want to share to show off that you know the information, if you want to share that, then that means we've done our job of storytelling. Yeah, I'm making it my new mission to, first of all, bring back like random slang from like the early 2000s. Like, I'm bringing back awkward turtle. And then also, like, knowing, like, random facts.

I'll be like, hey, guys, did you actually know that FtX and blah, blah, blah did X, Y, saying people are like, wait, what? And then just, like, step away and get, like, you know, smoothies. And just, like, walk away from it. Always leave them wanting more. But, like, going back to your guys, a strategy about, like, doing the show on a daily basis. Like, a lot of times, like, people are probably like, wait, how do you know that, what you recorded like the day before

is actually going to not change an hour from then or when the show actually ears. Is there a process that you guys do by working on stuff to kind of make sure everything's caught up to exactly how it'll be by the time of the year? Like how does that formula work? We turn on the microphones late in the afternoon

and sometimes news will break or Elon will tweet and it requires that we update the story and we'll jump back on the microphones. but it's a daily show. Two funny observations Jack and I have had over a decade of covering business news. The first is that business news really does only happen

during market hours between like 9.30 a.m. and 4 p.m. It is very rare that there's a breaking news story in business over a weekend or after 4 p.m. It's just you wouldn't think that in this world. Political news happens all the time. Environmental news all the time. Business news really likes to keep its market hours. So that's kind of

convenient for Jack me. It's really rare that we have to do an update like Jack said. It's very convenient, Nick. Companies issue press releases during those market hours that Nick mentioned. And then the other funny thing Jack and I have noticed over time is that a lot of people say content is king. Jack and I like to also say that curation is queen. And Jack and I are not in the business breaking news industry. That's not where we compete. Where we compete is in the curation, is in coming up with a takeaway. So you may already know that something happened, for example, with Lulu Lemon stock. But what Jack and I are going to do is we're going to find the interesting storyline and tell you about it the next day.

So that's fine that you found out that the stock jumped on Monday, but you're probably willing to wait until Tuesday to get the really interesting story about it. And that's what Jack and I have found is that there's an audience there that is excited and okay to wait a day, but for a more compelling, interesting differentiated story. That's brighter at the end of the day. And like you saying that, maybe it would be like, you guys come back like on Tuesday and be like, actually everybody, Lulu Lemon has rediscovered a new type of cargo pants that are very popular. And then it's like, dang, now I need to go to Lulmin and get new carco pants. I didn't know this one day. Totally.

It's really funny to see how, it's so true. I'm like when Jack and I are covering companies, and, you know, it goes for companies that are consumer relevant, like just brought up with Lulule Lemon, but also like the debt ceiling. We covered the debt ceiling today. And, you know, what Jack and I are always trying to do is find like an interesting relevant takeaway that you wouldn't expect. That would even make the debt ceiling as exciting as that Lulu Lemon store. And I feel like that's the stuff that's key.

It's like people like, like you said, they want to know it's like, okay, if I turn this on or whatever, like I'm going to be updated on the debt ceiling or all the types of business new stuff. But I'm also going to get a fun little tippet that might help me down the road or be a nice known fact. And I feel like that's also like fighting for attention. That's what's going to make people also want to come back to. They're like, okay, I'm not just getting the basics that I could get anywhere else. I'm getting X, Y, and Z more. Yeah, news is so marginal. Nick and I refer to them as drip stories.

There's some stories where it's just like drip a little bit more news, drip a little bit more news on the same topic, drip a little bit tiny more news on the same topic. And some newsletters and podcasts cover each of those little marginal updates. And then suddenly every day's issue had the same general news subject. and rehash the same context to prepare you for that marginal news. Nick and I like to collect a few drips before we decide to cover them all at once. You're not going to get the same story two days in a row on our show.

We just don't think that's fun. And there's a way to both stay informed on the important things, but also feel fresh news every day that keeps you curious and interested. And like you saying that now, I'm like, dang, I need a drip coffee and I need. Like, that's all I could think. I was like, I need to drip coffee after this. Anything we can do to kind of stimulate something for you. And for my last question, like, just out of curiosity, what do you all think the future

of podcasting is going? Like, we're seeing so many things. Like, more people are now focusing on the video aspect. And I'm now seeing on some where they have the interactive Q&As. Is there a trend that you all are seeing in the audio space that you think is going to carry on soon? Yes, we do. That trend is podcasting as your full hustle and podcasting as a career. We are all in the attention economy.

And Nick and I think to put on a great show and to really thrive in podcasting, you really have to give it your all. Nick and I do that. And we're thrilled that podcasting is our number one product. And we really believe in the future of podcasting. radio goes back 100 years. We think audio will go forward 100 years, just in a more convenient format. And podcasting has gone through a few tumultuous years with crazy investments from some of the tech platforms and huge free agent signings of celebrities to launch their own shows. But we think it's really those who give their all into a podcast and make it their primary

product. That's where you're going to put on an amazing show that your audience consistently listens too. I love everything Jack just said. You're like, you're like that. You're like that. That's exactly it. Jack, Jack nailed the takeaway. I stuck the landing on that. And we do firmly believe it in everything Jack just said. Just to follow up on that. Like for those who are listening who are like, oh, that's cool. Nick and Jack love that you guys got a show. But me and my Lama

are really funny in Kansas. And I think we would be good at podcasting. But we don't know where to start. Like, what advice do you have for those who are like, I want to do a podcast for Lama News, but I don't know where to start. Well, the great thing about podcasting is the starting point is easy. The startup costs are easy. The hard part are the scaling costs and consistency in doing it over time. So, Jack and I always say, start the podcast. You totally should.

You should sandbox it, play around with it, figure out what content works. Send it to people, see what works and resonates. You may have to pivot the content, but then come up with a formula. So we always say it's actually really simple. You don't need very much equipment. You got a recorder, a microphone, a headset. You're looking at a few hundred bucks. And you can either learn to do the editing yourself, do it unedited, or hire a freelancer

to edit your pod for maybe like 50 bucks an episode. And we say just start, do it. And then once you're kind of getting feedback, if you do it like Jack just said, like as a career, then you can really start focusing on the details. You focus on what am I, what is my hook in the beginning? What's my fun dessert at the end? What's the topic I'm doing? How am I going to be consistent?

am I going to be daily or weekly. I don't want to be inconsistent. It's a habit-driven medium. I've got to be choose one, weekly, daily, monthly. So are you interview format? Are you discussion format? So once you kind of get the equipment, once you then start testing and getting comfortable with a microphone and what that's like, then you can really start thinking strategically about what are we saying and why every word matters. No, that's so true. And I feel like a lot of times whenever people are starting one, they're like, oh, like, I want to get to 200,000 listeners immediately. And it's like, I'm I always tell people, I'm like, you can't just start this and expect a huge fan base, like, overnight.

Like, you have to actually, like you said, be passionate about it and put in that work. Because if you're just doing it for followers or whatever, you're going to get burned out quickly. Honestly, with anything, you can't do it for whatever. You have to truly be passionate about it because that's what's going to get you through those, like, nights or days where you're having to go back and re-edited or like something falls through and you have to like keep, you have to do it again. Yes. Start with the microphone and start just by talking about something you'd love.

love doing. I'm fortunate and Jack's fortunate that we get to have a discussion on the topics we happen to love with a person we happen to love, a best friend who's right there on the other side of the mic, we're just having fun with. And we get to do it every day. I mean, it's a dream job, like Jack said. And that's like what keeps us going. We don't even have to second guess that we can wake up every morning and be excited for what we're going to do every day. And it's funny that happens to be with a microphone, which we never would have expected. I love everything Nick just said. But Nick and Jack, thank you guys so much for being their day.

This was so good. Honestly, you could talk for hours. That was really fun, Colin. And we're definitely down to come back and talk for hours again. Thanks so much for having us. Thank you so much, Colin. Yeties, thank you for enjoying today's bonus pod. We've got a link in our episode description to the Young Influentials landing page if you want to learn more about Colin's show.

In the meantime, Jack and I were shucking one more bucket of crabs while we're on vacation. We are cracking oysters and tossing crabs over here. I don't we know. We're gonna'allis shrimp on the barbie. Yeties, our regular programming returns after Labor Day on Tuesday, September 5th. That episode, it's gonna be the best one. Nick and I, we'll see you there. Can't wait.