The Big Picture - Ahoy! The Top Five Movies Set at Sea | The Big Picture

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

We needed a bigger boat to select the finest movies set on the great ocean blue, so Chris Ryan returns to aid Sean and Amanda. They each choose their top five films, talk about why they love the sea, and what scares them most about it. This conversation got out of hand. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, it's Liz Kelley, and welcome to the Ringer Podcast Network. We're excited to announce our latest podcast launching this week called Behind the Billions. Coming from the two co-creators of Billions, Brian Koppelman and David Levine give a behind-the-scenes look into Billions Season 5. Following each episode's airing on Showtime, the podcast will unpack the writing of the script, exclusive stories from production, interviews with cast and crew, and much more. The first episode is out now, so make sure to subscribe to Behind the Billions on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins.

And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about just how dope the sea really is. After polling the fine listeners of this show, you chose not to celebrate James L. Brooks on his 80th birthday and not to dig into the great works of 1970s science fiction cinema. No, you asked us to focus on the great unknowable blue, the briny depths of water that cover the vast majority of this planet. You wanted us to talk

about movies set at sea, and so we must welcome back the Ahab of the big picture, ever on the hunt for the frog sheriff of his mind. It's Captain Chris Ryan. Hey, Chris. Arr!

So this week, Chris and I appeared on an episode of The Rewwatchables dedicated to the great crimson tide so we're making this a little bit of a theme week here crimson tide is a submarine movie which qualifies for this episode there are some movies that don't qualify for this episode amanda i was hoping you could help us understand some of the ground rules we set when exploring movies set at sea yes we had a very informed conversation about types of bodies of water

and the classification of the oceans and its various runoffs and what would qualify and what would not. And let me just say, again, no one here is a lawyer. No one here is a marine biologist. No one here is a geologist. No one is any accomplished, educated career.

Not a single accredited seaman among us. So we're going to get this really wrong, but here's what we decided. So obviously, this is a movie about the sea. My understanding is that a sea is not an ocean, but the ocean does qualify. However, rivers do not qualify. Streams do not qualify, apparently, according to this document that Sean wrote in the middle of the night that I'm reading. No estuaries is also on here, which I think is controversial because I do think estuaries have a connection to the sea, Sean. Well, they're essentially mouth formations coming out of a river. So I think given the river quality of an extra estuary work, we're canceling estuaries here.

Chris, how do you feel about these rulings? Well, I think it's good. I mean, what's it, what is an estuary? It's the title mouth of a large river where the tide meets the stream.

So that means Prince of Tides out. Yes. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, Babs. Yeah.

I think it's important to just say like for me personally, I think if you can see the other side, it's not the sea. I think it's a strong ground rule. And that eliminates River Runs Through It. That eliminates River Wild. Primarily, it eliminates any canoe-based movie. So I think that those ground rules are really important. Chris, many years ago, you wrote a blog post that has miraculously survived through the wreckage of internet

nonsense. That blog post is called The C is Dope. I knew the moment it was published that it would be a significant document 10 years later. Why is the sea so dope? What inspired you to write that piece? Why are movies set at sea so cool? Like a lot of my great work, Sean, I did it 11 feet from you. And I think I did it in half an hour. And I did it because we needed a blog post that day and a movie trailer would come out.

No, you know, I think for me, I love space movies and I love movies in the sea, but the sea is knowable and it's also unknowable. So anybody who's ever had that feeling, Amanda, you can help me as an avid swimmer. Like what's the what is it when you step off the shelf of the first few feet off the shore? Is there like is that called something? You mean when you get into the ocean? Yeah. But then when you're walking and then the floor drops off. Right. I guess when you go under the waves and you get past the break, I guess.

Yes. Past the break. When you get past the break, you kind of just really do get in touch with the infinite for a second there because you're just like, I am just this do get in touch with the infinite for a second there. Cause you're just like, I am part, I am just this speck in this massive body of water and it doesn't care anything about my individuality or my hopes and dreams and likes and retweets. And I, I could disappear. And that is terrifying and invigorating at the same time.

Like I'm never going to get to go to space. I think we could safely assume, you know, especially don't sell yourself short. I'm never going to get to go to space, I think we could safely assume. Don't sell yourself short, Chris. Never say never, Chris. My carpal tunnel, they're never going to let me on. But I could go to sea, theoretically, tomorrow. I could get a schooner.

I could get a windjammer. And I could just take to the waves. And that's the thing. It's always been the everyday man, the everyday woman's escape. It's their opportunity for adventure and self-discovery. Amanda, I didn't... And naval combat. Naval combat as well. That's a good point.

All different kinds of films can happen at sea. I didn't vet this idea with you beforehand, Amanda, but I had a feeling like you would be on board with it. Now that we are actually live and recording the show. Are you on board with this idea? Yes, of course. Both because I, too, like Chris, love the ocean. I'm a huge fan of going to the beach and actually being in the water, unlike certain other people on this podcast who will remain nameless. Do you want to talk about your relationship to the ocean now? Should we just get it out of the way? I love the ocean.

It's the beach I hate. It's the sand. And also, given that I have the complexion of Casper the ghost, I ought not be in the sun. But the actual ocean itself, I think I'm with both of you guys. I love to take a dip. Okay, good. That's good because it was going to get ugly otherwise. No, I think Chris put it really well in terms of the appeal of the actual ocean, which is a place that is both accessible and also completely unknown.

And you have to respect the power of the ocean. But in terms of a movie, I just really like it for formal reasons. It's constraints. You know, there are only so many ways for you to be on the ocean. You're on a vessel. There are only so many people. And are only so many ways for you to be on the ocean. You're on a vessel. There are only so many people and then only so many things can happen. And so I do like the formality quite literally of it. And it produces interesting, it gives boundaries while also allowing for a lot of different things to happen because you can't have an action adventure. You also can't have a romance. You can't have a comedy. You definitely can have an existential breakdown, which we'll talk about.

And also, it's beautiful. With the exception of the submarine films, it's also often filmed outside, which, as we know, I personally like. But yeah, I mean, I love a sea vista, you know? The cool thing about sea movies is that is that you know we've done these top fives for so many different things and often we'll get feedback that's just like how could you leave this out how could you not have this rank number one i think that the every you could pull a hundred different people and get a hundred different top fives um because then the sea means different things to different people some people look at it and they want terror. Some people look at it and they want delight and wonder. Some people look at it and they want tests of metal.

So it depends on what you're looking for, but you can get almost anything out of movies made around the sea. I think there's something a little bit aspirational about this particular topic right now because so few people are able to go to the sea during quarantine but i was thinking unlike courtroom thrillers or erotic thrillers uh movies we focused on during this period while we're trying to conjure content there are still sea movies coming out i watched a movie called sea fever on vod last week that was okay and then

earlier this year we had underwater with kristen Kristen Stewart. Last year, we had Crawl, the alligator horror movie. They're still making movies that are in this vein, unlike so many of the other movies that I feel like we grew up with. And that's kind of surprising because it's really difficult and expensive to make movies at sea. Usually, those kinds of films have gone by the wayside in the last 10 20 years really sink directors yeah yeah and that it's it's one of those sort of caution that you hear cautionary tales all the time about a director getting in a in a giant pool that's been built by the studio and then you know either you're james cameron or or you sink i i don't actually know what accounts for that i don't know why we keep getting to

see these movies you know 25 years after water world Waterworld. What do you think that's about, Amanda? Well, as Chris said, it's kind of one of the two great unknowns. You can do a space movie or you can do a sea movie. And I think they both have their logistical difficulties. But I do like not the familiarity of the sea, because listen, when I'm going into the sea, it's got to be a very, very calm wave situation. I'm monitoring the surf report, but if it's a bad day for surfers, it's a good day for me. And I'm not trying to go out to the great depths.

I don't really want to be in a submarine, though. I did a lot of reading about the history of submarines last night, and I'd love to talk to you guys about it. I'm fascinated by them, but there is, you don't have to make up like a different type of person. You don't have to imagine like extraterrestrial life. You're using vessels and people and things that are typically like from this world, which, you know, I still respond to that more than I respond to like really really really deep science fiction there it's easier for me to access the the humanity or the the relatability of of things i

kind of recognize i guess i'm a simple person so and i i'm not the only person that feels that way as chris latched on to something the sea is dope a lot of people just really want to. It's right there and you can see it, but you can't always access it. And that is just like extremely fertile ground for movies and for literature and for life. Guys, when Quar ends, we got to pitch an erotic courtroom thriller set on a boat. What are we doing? Lawyers that fuck on deck come on i think you have i think you have our title that's pretty good you might be able to find that movie um on pornhub right now i think uh okay should we should we go to our top fives chris anything else you need to say about these these films no i think it'll come out through this i i think these are also going to be a really cool personality test because i you know every every one of mine

are just like the terror that you find within and and also around you and amanda's is going to be like god i love i love aquatic blue you know okay chris why don't you start us off then what's your number five uh my number five is uh one of my favorite non-Jaws shark movies. Now, I will just say that I'm sure Jaws will come up, but I almost put Jaws in a Citizen Kane realm of... Is Citizen Kane a newspaper movie? Sure, but it's also so much more. But high up there on my shark attack list is Open Water,

which is a film that came out I believe in 2013 if I remember correctly. And it was based on a true story and is literally a transcription of my nightmares. It's about a couple who go scuba diving and the boat

accidentally leaves them behind and they are stuck in the middle of the ocean. And you can imagine what happens. Daniel, was that a shark? Maybe. Or a dolphin. If it was a dolphin, you'd be on your way over there to play with it. You obviously think it was a shark.

It is kind of like a faux found footage movie. It is essentially a found footage horror film and it painstakingly depicts what would actually happen if you were stranded out in the middle of the ocean with your scuba gear and your significant other and spent

the first 30 minutes blaming one another for who could have it was your fault because we decided to go on this thing and then it was your fault because you went away from the group and then shit really goes wrong and it's a really tense movie but it's it's a really tense movie but it it's just a two-hander and you wind up really really really uh having a lot of empathy

for these people as as you would um because it's a terrible story but it's a really like a complete white knuckle ride in looking back on it i had forgotten that this movie only cost 120 000 to make and made like 55 million right yeah that is absolutely incredible because it is terrifying and it does not seem to be working with tons of visual effects you know added in post you know this is a very stripped down kind of a movie but it is absolutely horrifying yeah it kind of reminded me of it and the movie was made by people who are who are also divers and it kind of reminded me a little bit of free solo where it's like you can't make that movie unless you're you

can climb you know i don't think they could have made open water without filmmakers who are proficient at diving that's a good one amanda i presume that you have not experienced open water since it's actually literally your nightmare it actually literally is and i'm so stressed out right now just hearing about it i think i both love the ocean and i'm like really afraid of the ocean it i'm like the ocean will fuck you up it is really a thing to be taken seriously and for some reason i i don't really like watching horror like slasher movies where there's like a person coming to kill you or whatever but that doesn't like really scare me the way their prospect of just just being swept away by the ocean. It's actually a great fear of mine. So I won't be seeing that.

It's like Amanda loves the beach and Amanda likes boats that are stable and soundcrafts. You do not like the ocean. I respect the ocean. I don't know that I need to live on it. No, my response is not like what I need to do is just be alone on my boat. I thought it was interesting. And maybe I'm wrong. We don't have a lot of the people, the one person just like stuck on a raft in the middle of the ocean movies on this list, which is my definite absolute nightmare that I think I would actually be glad to have my partner in this situation just because I would panic and I need someone else to just be like, okay, what you have to do is like tread water. But no, it's too scary for me. It's not how I'm trying to enjoy the majesty of nature. I toyed with putting All Is Lost on my list, the J.C. Shandor, Robert Redford movie from

I think 2013. And the truth is that it's kind of a tough hang. It's a difficult movie to return to. It's not very rewatchable, even though it's extraordinarily well-made and interesting and tells this story of existential dread. I have a similar relationship to it that I do to Castaway. Castaway has just never really been one of my movies because it makes me think of an experience that I would hate. And not a lot of my movies represent that necessarily. Amanda, why don't you give us your number five, which I think will be slightly more optimistic? Sort of.

My number five is The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, which is the 2004 Wes Anderson movie starring Bill Murray and Wes Anderson's cast of movie stars and friends. And I chose this movie for a lot of reasons. I have a great affection for it. And also, I think that affection has grown as I've gotten older. I remember seeing it at the time and being like, huh, this is a little loose. This is a little all over the place, but there is something that I really enjoy about it now and also possibly speaks to the possibilities of the ocean. I did also think as a person who does respect the ocean and also who respects reading that I needed to have one choice that at least like acknowledges

the existence of Moby Dick and in many ways is like not quite parodying it, but it's like sending it up. But at least that the plot structure is somewhat there. So we can all acknowledge that Moby Dick definitely taught a lot of us to think about the ocean in a certain way. But I prefer like red hipster hats to the pointy hats that people wear on the in the old timey Moby Dick's. So I'm going with going with life aquatic. I do have to say in terms of art direction, in terms of, you know, what the sea looks like in Amanda's mind when I'm like I'm sitting here in quarantine

and I'm like, I sitting here in quarantine and i'm like i want to go to the ocean maybe i even want to set sail on a boat you know uh maybe maybe i have that that longing it the boat looks like this in my head and the sea is the blue that chris mentioned earlier and there is uh everyone has like just perfect uniforms and there is a guy singing um doing david bowie covers in portuguese and it is it's a whimsical is the word that's always used with wes anderson but i find it to be both sincere and um unable to deal with its own sincerity view of of the sea which is a great summary of me pretty much it's a ridiculous movie that's quite touching i love life aquatic i do too it makes me it reminds

me that i didn't consider any of the jacuzzi movies when i was doing my list because obviously the life aquatic heavily inspired by the life of jacuzzi the legendary sea explorer and and documentarian jacuzziau won three Oscars, The Silent World, one of the best documentaries ever made. And I don't know, that would actually would have been fun to revisit, but I didn't do that like a fool. My number five is The Poseidon Adventure. Return to The Poseidon Adventure for the first time in about 25 years last night you're talking about the original not the remake not the remake certainly not the sequel beyond the poseidon adventure which is a movie i've decided i have to watch immediately after

watching the trailer last night but the original poseidon adventure which is really the template setting action extravaganza star-studdedded, Irwin Allen, mega explosive, big tent movie that we saw. You know, if you like Independence Day, for example, or you like Michael Bay movies, the Poseidon Adventure is the blueprint.

This is where, really one of the very first movies that isn't around the world in 80 days or it's a mad, mad, mad, mad world. The first like action movie that has way too many famous people in it. It's about, obviously, a massive cruise liner that capsizes in the Pacific after a 90-foot tidal wave crashes into it. And it's like a fascinating document. It's simultaneously like a very stupid movie. When you're watching the movie, you're going to be like, this is badly acted.

The plot is ridiculous. Every performance is off key. And it's also, on the other hand, for a movie that was made 50 years ago, like an incredible accomplishment. It was, you know, it won an Academy Award for its special effects design.

Shelley Winters was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance in the movie. Chris, I mentioned our Crimson Tide rewatchables. This is one of the all-time Gene Hackman yelling at people movies. Yeah, he plays like a pastor, right? Yes, he plays a reverend who is struggling with his faith

and attempting to guide the handful of survivors out through the up and out through the hull of the ship. And man, he's just super mad at everybody. He's just screaming at Ernest Borg9 and Stella Stevens and all these children that are following him it's a ridiculous movie but it's also the actual crash the actual capsizing of the cruise liner is just an amazing action sequence if you like if you like movies of this kind and I think one of the reasons to recommend it is if you watch it on iTunes as I did you will go down the rabbit hole of all the movies that followed this movie and the one that

i discovered that i'm i'm super excited to find a reason to talk about at some point is called the swarm are you guys familiar with the swarm i'm not it's 1978 disaster horror movie about a killer bee invasion in texas that just so happens to star michael cain katherine ross richard widmark richard chamberlain olivia de havelin ben johnson lee grant henry fonda this is one of the greatest casts ever assembled in the history of movies written directed by erwin allen who produced the beside an adventure michael cain in texas yep yep a native texan um the beside adventure is just one of those movies that it's kind of set the stage for Endgame. It's set the stage for The Rock. It's set the stage for a lot of certain kinds of movies. And it's the kind of movie that can only take place on the ocean.

That's number five. Chris, what's number four? Number four for me is White Squall. So this is a 1996 movie from Ridley Scott in his more of a gun for hire era when he was doing Thelma and Louise, which was obviously great. He also does 1492, which is not as good. G.I. Jane is in there. This is right before he returns to form with

Gladiator. White Squall is essentially his attempt at making a Steven Spielberg movie. It's about a boys academy on a windjammer boat in the Caribbean that's going to go on for an entire semester. It's going to go on a semester-long cruise, and the kids have to work on the boat and sail the boat. And there's only a couple of adults. It's Jeff Bridges in one of my favorite Jeff Bridges performances. And John Savage plays their English teacher.

And there's a couple of other... Jeff Bridges' wife, Caroline Goodall, is on there. And it really gets at the Lord Jim, kind of Joseph Conrad, young man at sea thing. And I think some of these movies are probably in a place where they place because of when we saw them. And I saw this right as I was getting out of high school and starting to read a little bit more seriously. So like the idea of going out and having an adventure and finding your place in the world is very explicitly the theme of this movie, as is.

You're just never going to really want to be in a white squall, guys. Let me tell you that. It's not like a cinderella thing where you might get out it's pretty much that's a wrap for you and there's essentially ridley scott has about like 10 or 11 shots in here which are like is that a painting because ridley scott just has that eye and then the the execution of the storm on this boat is you will feel like sea hitting like sea spray hitting you when you're watching this scene even now in 96 they shot it on a boat is you will feel like sea hitting, like sea spray hitting you when you're watching this scene. Even now in 96,

they shot it on a, what is something called a no horizon tank in Malta where they did all the boat stuff in a tank, but you couldn't like, it's a special kind of tank where you can't see like the end of it essentially. So I, I thought that little production note was cool,

but it's corny in places Scott Wolf is just going for it for Tom Cruise but it is kind of like a throwback to a type of movie that nobody bothers to make anymore because it's not anything more than what it is which is like what if a bunch of kids

boys became men on the sea it's like you wouldn't be able to get that made they'd all have to also get superhero powers but yeah it's incredible and it has a special place in my heart boys became men on the sea. It's like you wouldn't be able to get that made. They'd all have to also get superhero powers. But yeah, it's incredible. And it has a special place in my heart because of when I saw it. Chris, should we remake White Squall in the DC universe?

Yeah. Suicide Squad. Suicide Squad 3 White Squall. Let's go. Honestly, a superhero movie could stand to happen on the ocean aside from Aquaman. Aquaman's not making our list here today unfortunately actually amanda is aquaman your number one no believe it or not okay what's your number just missed it my number four speaking of movies that

we saw at a certain point in our lives um and made a big impression on us uh my number four is the little mermaid look at this stuff isn't it neat wouldn't you think my collection's complete yes that's right i picked an animated film this is the 1999 disney movie sean is like raising his arms in in um celebration so this is the movie that starts the disney renaissance of all of the the animated and disney princess movies that know, we are now just living with every day of our lives. I was five when it came out. And I realized when I was rewatching that I have definitely seen this more than any other of the Disney movies and know all of the words and was definitely singing some of the songs this morning and was chastised in my

home because it was too early. But listen, this movie as a movie about a young woman trying to make her way in the world is a disaster and do not do that anything that Ariel does. She is just like, I saw this guy once on a beach and now I need to be a human and I'm going to give my voice away and just like a deal with terrible terms to this total monster.

And then of course, Ursula just completely reneges on the deal. Her dad gets kidnapped. I mean, it's like Ariel is not a role model. OK, let me just get that out there. But in terms of what it means to actually live under the sea, you know, these movies are not exploring that as fully as they could. And I'm learning a lot about m could. And I'm learning a lot about mermaids. I'm learning a lot about what it means to be the crustaceans. I'm learning that

they too look at the land as something that is unknown and worth exploring. You know, it goes both ways. And I just have to say, part of your world is really underrated as far as the Disney songs go. That stuff is important. Chris, have you ever heard part of your world? No, I'm just imagining the marriage story meme I'm going to make about you betraying me and liking an animated movie. But you told me you didn't like drawings. I don't really. But this is a drawing of the sea this is one of the times where i think it's defensible to make an animated movie because you can't go film like the fish who talk in real life so you have to draw it and then wait wait wait wait wait you can't you can't talk to fish in real life the fish can't talk back to you sean at least not

yet we haven't gotten there so you haven't seen aquaman clearly that's true i did actually no i have not seen aquaman i i really enjoy this movie even if it has some problematic elements it in terms of bringing the sea to life. I do think it formed my concept of what the ocean could be. I still think there's a cool crustacean band down there that I want to be a part of. How do you feel about a double feature screening of The Little Mermaid and the FX series Mrs. America as a kind of second wave feminism portrait would that work well yeah it would again i said do not do anything that ariel does okay just don't uh my number four is a movie called lifeboat i think we have a skipper who elected mr riddenhouse mr riddenhouse it was made in 1944 it's directed by the great alfred hitchcock

it is probably most notable for being the first of his quote-unquote limited setting movies which is like a trick that he designed to make i think ultimately more interesting movies than a lot of his contemporaries by confining himself to a certain to a certain set of rules. You know, his most famous limited setting is probably Rear Window with Jimmy Stewart trapped in his apartment observing crimes. Dial-In for Murder is similar in this way. Also Rope, the murder mystery that takes place all in one apartment.

Lifeboat takes place entirely in a lifeboat at sea. It also happens to be a World War II movie that, you know uh about german u boats and uh in english a collection of english sailors who are uh blown up by one of those u boats and it turns into a kind of mystery movie rather than a survival movie because a german sailor makes his way onto this lifeboat that is largely occupied by englishmen and that starts the hunt for whether this person is merely a sailor on the ship or the captain of the german u-boat it's a it reminds me a lot of and then there were none the agatha christie story

and it's incredibly intense awkward character story that um hitchcock isn't always necessarily great at but he's got this incredible cast, Tallulah Bankhead, the great silent film actress, one of the stars of the movie, Hume Cronin. Many people will recognize William Bendix, Walter Slezak. And it's a funny portrait of how people respond to terrible circumstances. Tallulah Bankhead's character is completely unflappable throughout the entire movie, despite the fact that she is lost at sea on a lifeboat with nine soldiers. And the soldiers are losing their minds and completely disintegrating in front of her. And it's just a really cleverly crafted movie that kind of operates in three different genres and also kind of signals the way forward for a lot of Hitchcock's best movies.

So it felt like a good opportunity to give it a shout out. Chris, what's your number three? My number three is a perfect storm. So do it. Do it. Just do it again. You and me, Bobby. Forever.

We talked about a perfect storm a little while ago with Mark Wahlberg. But I guess I'm on Perfect Storm Island, but that island is washed away by the giant North Atlantic swells that George Clooney drives his boat straight into in search for more lobster. I thought this movie was incredible. It's

a classic Castle Rock blockbuster entertainment with a little bit of brains and a little bit of heart. It's George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg, Mary Elizabeth Mastantonio, Diane Lane, John Hawks, John C. Reilly. It's just a great ensemble. And it's essentially about Massachusetts Cape Cod fishermen going out for one last big haul of the season because the times are tight, money's tight. And they go out in there and they're really driving for it. And they go out to this point that you're really not supposed to

go to. But if you do go to it, the lobster is just incredible there. And they get stuck in the perfect storm. And you can imagine how that goes. There's some really outrageous accent work going on in this movie. But this is Wolfgang Peterson, who did Das Boot. He really knows his way around the sea. And I think it's great. I just think that this movie is one of the great disaster movies of that era. A lot of these movies for me are around the time when I first really started falling in love with or at least going to the movies a lot. I've noticed that there's a lot of mid-90s to early 2000s for these. But I think that when you first see these movies in the theater,

that's the best way to see them. I haven't seen The Perfect Storm since it came out. I seem to remember having some trouble with the performances, even though it was an amazing spectacle. And it paired very similarly to something like The Poseidon Adventure. having some trouble with the performances uh even though it was like an amazing spectacle and it like paired very similarly to something like the beside an adventure yeah do you are you on board with uh with this pick i absolutely am and i just want to say also that if we just go a little bit further we can get some really great lobster is just how i would get anyone into any type of problem ever so i'd like to sorry say sorry i i haven't seen it in a while either i it is one of the first things that you think of when you think of like movies set at sea but i just knew that

chris would take care of it and quite frankly i can't do the voice work that chris can so i didn't put it on my list bobby it's no great shakes chris it literally sounds like you're doing bobby kennedy amanda what's your number three my number three is the lady eve he's returning to his book he's deeply immersed in it he sees no one except watch his head turn when that kid goes by won't do you any good dear he's a book swing him anyway. Oh, now how about this one? How would you like that hanging on your Christmas tree? Yes, the Preston Sergis romantic comedy from 1941. Again, this is another one when I had thought of

movies set at sea. This is a great pick. Somehow one of the first that came to mind, even though it is much of it takes place on an ocean liner, and it does have, it's my kind of adventure at sea if you will and i want to say that i feel really dumb putting the lady eve at number three because it is one of the greatest romantic comedies and quite frankly greatest comedies

or films ever made in my opinion i truly love. Sean, I know that you love it as well. It's at number three because the ocean is just more of a setting and a mood than a character in the film. But that's okay. I do think that it fits into the idea of things can happen at sea that maybe wouldn't happen elsewhere. And it's a place where you get a little bit looser and people meet each other and people say things or do things that they might not otherwise. And also just in terms of falling in love with a beautiful ocean vista behind you. Very formative for Amanda Dobbins. Yeah. One of my favorite movies of all time. There's a poster of this movie in my office. I will say that I feel like the first half works a lot better than the second half. And that's where the movie largely takes place on that ocean liner in the first half when, you know, Fonda and Stanwyck fall in love.

And you're right. There is like an intoxicating experience that you can have in a setting like that that can quickly dissipate as soon as you leave the ocean. My number three is Finding Nemo. So. What's a couple of bites like you doing out so late nothing we're not doing anything we're not even out great then how'd you morsels like to come to a little a little get together on heaven you mean like a party another animated movie that when i revisited it just just made me feel a lot better chris i i would ask you to refrain

from commenting about this beautiful film about a father in search of his lost son and what the bonds are that we create as human beings and how vast the world is and how we can lose touch with people and how we have to go and find them to reconnect chris so you just you've never seen The Little Mermaid and you've never seen Finding Nemo. Is Nemo about a snail? What's it about? No, he's a little fish. He's like a little orange fish. He's a clown fish.

Just like you, Chris. He's a clown fish. There's like a fish that looks like Greedo from Star Wars in this one, right? What are you talking about? Isn't there like a fish with like things coming out of its head like a blowfish or something in Finding Nemo nemo there is a blowfish in the film yes and what what kind of like emotional capacity like role does he function in in this movie because like i know fish are really demonstrative with their feelings well he's a sidekick uh he's

he lives in a tank in an Australian dentist's office where Nemo is accidentally delivered. And Marlin, his father, played by Albert Brooks, is on a quest to find him in the ocean. Turns out he's not actually in the ocean. He's in a fish tank in a dentist's office and he has to find his way out to reconnect with his father.

Incredible story. The fish tank part is funny. The sea is more of a utopia in finding nemo that's more of an idea yeah yeah then then in little mermaid which i think honestly reflects the realities of you know people life yeah no for sure yeah yeah chris why do you hate uh children and childhood so much no i love it you know what i mean it's important to give kids realistic representations of the world around them and whenever you can have like talking fish and mermaids and stuff it really sets them up for success in life chris

if you were a father do you think at the age of three or four you would sit your children down and just show them white squall and tell them this is what the sea is truly truly like. I'd be like, this is what you're going to be doing senior of high school when I send you on your... You're like the albatross to go sailing around Haiti and really learn from Jeff Bridges what the world is about. People listening to this podcast know what Finding Nemo is and how great it is. And I won't have you blaspheme it any longer. What's your number two, Chris? My number two is Master and Commander. And it is a Peter Weir movie

starring Russell Crowe. I think, you know, it's funny. We just did Gladiator Rewatchable. And I've done several Russell Crowe movies as Rewatchable. So I've been thinking a lot about Russell Crowe over the last year or so. I think this is a pretty pivotal movie for him because I think that this is where he was like, when this movie didn't pop off the way he wanted to, I think this is a pretty pivotal movie for him because I think that this is where he

was like, when this movie didn't pop off the way he wanted to, I think he was like, fuck it. Because they had planned on making several of these. These are based on Patrick O'Brien's series of novels about a British naval commander named Jack Aubrey. It's Russell Crowe and Paul Bettany. Paul Bettany

is essentially his sidekick, his Dr. Watson or whatever. And the mystery of the movie is essentially they are sailing around in the Pacific looking for this French boat that they're at war with. And its depiction of naval combat from that era

and also life on a boat for military men of that era is harrowing. And it's not like unwatchable, but I will say that it has one scene, which is And also, Peter Weir is just one of the great sort of outdoors directors that we've ever had, like a guy who understands how beautiful and terrifying nature can be. And the naval battles that are depicted in this movie are stunning, including the one at the very end. Chris, let me ask you a question about this movie. Okay. There is a sort of Daily Caller-esque,

fervid cult-like appreciation for this movie amongst certain quarters. I think it's good. It's certainly very well made and Peter Weir is a great filmmaker. But I don't know if you've had any experience with this either. I don't really get the cult of this movie so i think that there is a huge if you've read if you read some of those these books at a certain period of your life you're like that's it that's my story

captain jack and these guys and they're out on the high seas fighting for her majesty's navy and i think that that has a lot to do with it. So if you got into the story in that, because there's a huge series of books that I think people have been indoctrinated to. I think the thing I like about it is how, seriously, it takes its subject matter. It's not tongue in cheek. There's not a feeling of playing dress up.

It's like everything feels very naturalistic and true to life. And the performances are really really really strong in this movie but i i accept the fact that it obviously never found an audience the way it was supposed to my theory is just that this is like chris's costume dramas um and you know i can't chris i can't get you to like watch sense and sensibility to save your life no i'm you know but and there is a whole group of people who are not interested in, but it, that type of serious literary based, lots of, you know, corsets and stuff. I understand

that, but it's the same time period. They're also literary based. There is that, that seriousness and that sense of, of, of, of duty and honor and the, and the way things are done and also just like ridiculous hats like truly truly ridiculous hats and and like you know weird diseases like scurvy yeah so i think to each his or her own costume drama is my theory on it i think that's a good call um the only captain jack i recognize is Billy Joel's Captain Jack. Amanda, what's your number two? Well, should I do my number two now or should I save it to go with Chris? Oh, yeah.

Okay. Well, you can hold your number two and I'll do my number two, which pairs neatly with Master and Commander. It's Mutiny on the Bounty. I'll live to see you, all of you, hanging from the highest yard arm in the British fleet. Which I think one of us made reference to, Chris, on the Crimson Tide rewatchables.

Yeah, you were talking about it. Yeah. I had just recently revisited it even before I knew I was going to do this. And I'm referring to the 1935 version of this movie starring starring clark gable and peter lawton we talked about peter lawton on the witness for the prosecution courtroom dramas

episode and he gives an insane incredible performance as captain bligh in this movie it's a very old movie but it is as riveting to me today as it was probably when it was first made. It's the story of a mutiny of a evil captain who essentially punishes his crew as they sail the world to Tahiti. And it is, it features some of the great showdowns between two generations of actors. And the reason I was making the comparison was we were talking about Hackman and Denzel Washington and sort of Clark Gable as the young on the come up star and Charles Lawton as one of the most celebrated actors of his time. And it's got incredible speech findings based on true story.

The film does fudge a bit with the facts of the mutiny and the subsequent expulsion of Captain Bly. But it is an amazing showcase and also just an amazing production given the time. The movie was made 85 years ago and it's still pretty credible as a seafaring adventure movie and probably would pair neatly with Master and Commander since it's set in sort of a similar time frame. So if you are looking for one of the great showcase acting movies of all time mutiny on the bounty is for you uh amanda and chris why don't you guys team up on your number one who should announce it ramius might be trying to defect do you mean to suggest that this man mr ryan mandy you said well no it's your number one and it's my number two though i honestly i

woke up this morning and i was like i should have put this at number one i'm i feel i'm weak and this is one of the great films so chris why don't you introduce it it's one ping only it's hunt for october one ping only give me a ping facility that was good amanda yeah thank you it's literally the only voice work that i can do and so i just said it about 45 times last night after watching it. When Columbus arrived at the New Welt, he burned the ships. Why is The Hunt for Red October so good, guys?

I will tell you. First of all, two absolutely fucking phenomenal lead performances from Sean Connery, which this is his actual great victory lap performance, not the untouchables. I mean, the touchables is really good,

but this is once you get past the, he is a Scottish man pretending to be Lithuanian. Uh, you know, he is unbelievable in this movie. He's so good. And this is Baldwin right before he threw it away. It's Baldwin.

When you're like, Oh, that's Harrison Ford. He's going to be the biggest male movie star of my lifetime, probably. And then he kind of goes off the rails for a while there. And tellingly, Harrison Ford took over the role of Jack Ryan after Alec Baldwin. So obviously, he was on to something. No movie has ever actually...

One of the hardest things to do when you're doing a submarine movie is to make underwater make any sense. because there's no actual landmarks. worst version of a submarine because it is basically a nuclear killing machine that leaves port. And quickly, once it leaves port, it becomes obvious that the ship commander, played by Sean Connery, Ramius, has either gone mad or is going to defect. And it's essentially a chase to find out which one he has chosen. And once you find that out, it's a chase to find out whether or not he can get away with it. And Alec Baldwin plays Jack Ryan,

who's a CIA analyst, who's basically just like a nerd who winds up getting thrown into this incredibly action-packed scenario. And one of the things that's so cool about it is all of the action, you're like with Jack Ryan step by step, and he's like, I can't do this.

Like, I don't know how to jump out of a helicopter onto a submarine. This seems crazy, but he knows he has to do it for the sake of basically humanity. And this movie actually, when you're watching it, John McTiernan, who directed it, you feel like when you're watching submarines underwater, you're watching a car chase. You're like, oh, that's the Laurentian abyss and that's Thor's turn and they've got to get under this and they have to get to the torpedoes before the torpedoes arm themselves. It might as well be an incredible car chase movie, but it's happening underwater with these giant, giant submarines. What am I missing, Amanda? Well, I think that there is also a human element to it in addition to just like

the preposterous technical lingo and they spend just a lot of time saying all sorts of like sonar stuff and but there is always because the submarine is new and because Jack Ryan is explaining things to everybody else they do a great job of translating it into like completely unusable but in real life but followable technology. And then I I'm always struck by the, the Sam Neill performance, which is just really, he gets one great speech about what he wants to do when he gets to America. And then, you know, spoiler alert, I wanted to see Montana, but every single time it gets me and it has that real like 80s 90s studio we need to give you like one saccharine sentimental plot line to follow i guess i have a couple because you have sean connery's um backstory of

his wife but you know as we learned on the the courtroom dramas podcast i am just a real mark for a movie about movie stars in uniforms who discover higher principles that also somehow align with centrist right policies of the late 80s and early 90s. But that's okay. That's okay. It's a movie. It's not real life. It's not politics.

And Sean Connery is just such a lord in this. Instantly, he walks on the boat. Once more, we play our dangerous game. I'm like, sure, whatever you want to do. You want to just yell about it. And then I have to be honest, I find that last sequence like borderline unfallable. I don't know what they're doing

because they're just, the torpedoes are going eight different ways and then it's armed and then it's not armed and then you're turning around a cliff and then they're just like yelling about different sonar technologies but no that's a seismic recording i don't really know but i don't care because it's just it's so cool and that's the other thing is that submarines are terrifying to me i never want to be on a submarine it's really, it just seems very claustrophobic, even though I'm not a hugely claustrophobic person. But there is an element to this movie

and to submarines in general, where it's just like, we didn't have to invent all of this. And there's like an entire world down there and an entire system of submarines and people fighting each other under the water for really no other reason that like one person decided to do it and then we all had to do it. And it is like, it's like going to a different world while still also while knowing that it does actually exist.

And I find that I find that fascinating. Great, great representation of the seas and the oceans as geopolitical terrain. There's all this stuff in the North Atlantic of Fred Dalton Thompson is on a boat and he's just like, this thing will get out of hand and people will die. They have all these great character actors

like James Earl Jones, Scott Glenn, Courtney B. Vance are in it. But what it shows is just how tenuous the way we've divided up the world is because you can have something like this that kind of throws that all off. Let me ask you guys a question. Is Sean Connery the villain of this movie? No, I think Stellan Skarsgård is. You arrogant ass!

You've killed us! Because I was trying to think about... there was this moment in the early 90s and i thought of this because sean connery appears on the poster of this movie and alec baldwin does not despite the fact that jack ryan is the ostensible hero of the movie and there was this moment in the early 90s where big time movie stars leading men took on roles as kind of villains in movies. So you've got, you know, Al Pacino and Dick Tracy,

and you've got, uh, Robert De Niro in, um, a couple of different movies. Actually, you, you've got him in this boy's life and you've got him in the fan.

And there was this, this strange trend where they like the head beat playing the heavy was like the best paycheck you could get if you were a seventies movie star. And, but like the head beat playing the heavy was like the best paycheck you could get if you were a 70s movie star and but like the movie just despite the fact that sean connery is not russian um the movie i don't think this movie works like without him at all i think if you don't have those like line readings i think it's a it's a perfectly serviceable action movie but he just brings a gravitas to it that is indefinable. I'll be honest.

I've seen this movie at least 30 times. And every single time I started, I'm like, oh, yeah, Alec Baldwin's in this movie because it's just the Sean Connery show and the way he can just sit in the middle of the deck or whatever it's called and just kind of spread his arms and look very satisfied as he's just being like now, you know, three meters behind or whatever he says. I don't know. That's the other thing. He's really playing loose with a strategy that relies a lot on timing.

You know about this? Like they're counting down the seconds to the torpedo and how close it is. And he's sitting there like waiting really intently but when he gives the command the guy still has to go from his little post and like run over physically to press the button and do the other things i just i don't know whether this timing is replicable in real life although i do think scott glenn has the the sub move of the movie where he's just like the problem with playing chicken is knowing when to blink and it's with fucking submarines like it is crazy

how good that is but yeah like all the stuff with like the Russian navigator who's like give me a stopwatch and I'm up and I can fly a plane through the Alps with no windows like it's just where do they come up with this shit

Chris where does Hunt for Red October sit in the John McTiernan power rankings? I think it's second behind Die Hard, but ahead of Predator. Wow, that's bold. Where do you guys stand? Those are the three of my favorite action movies. Where do you guys stand on Sean Connery

and John McTiernan's follow-up to the Hunt for Red October, Medicine Man? Were you guys in on that? That's my favorite movie about medicine. Coming soon. Top 10 medicine movies. Lorenzo's Oil, number one. Okay. Should we go to my number one?

Yeah, man. I didn't do my number one. That was my number two. That's right. That was your number two. Even though I know I get such a spirited defense of it. And honestly, it should be number one. But you know what's number one yeah man i didn't do my number one that was my number two even though i know i get such a spirited defense of it and like honestly it should be number one but you know what's number one it's a little film called titanic maybe you've heard of it i figure life's a gift and i don't intend on wasting it you never know what hand you're gonna get dealt next you learn to take life as it comes at you. Oh, here you go, Cal. Listen, there is no movie that is number one

showing all the possibilities that can happen on the ocean because you have romance, you have adventure, you have class warfare, you have some like really weak sauce science that becomes to be part of the problem. You have death, spoiler, sorry, if you haven't caught those memes for the past 20 years about how there was room for Leo on the on the wood. And and then you also have James Cameron's like weird submarines or whatever he puts Bill Paxton in throughout the movie so that we can go find the heart respect the ocean, which is kind of one of my primary concerns as discussed on this podcast.

And is it possibly the most seen movie about the ocean ever? Definitely. Has to be. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. And we learned lessons from it and we've applied them for the most part. So that's useful.

What lessons did we learn? Well, always pay for first class seats. That's useful. What lessons did we learn? Well, always pay for first class seats. That's yes, that's true. And maybe have two people on the observation deck, you know? Yeah. I feel like one of the key lessons is don't fall in love with the riffraff, you know? Marry up. Always marry up.

I have not seen Titanicanic since titanic came out now when it came out wait really that's crazy what are you doing i think i saw it three times in theaters once for the first time the second time i think i was dragged to it and the third time because i i liked it um i i don't i Maybe I should revisit Titanic. Titanic, when I was living in Ireland, it played at the movie theater in Cork for I think the entire time I was there. So I think I saw it like eight times in the theater because it was literally like that or whatever they turned over at the art house movie theater. And we went to the movies a lot because it was constantly raining in Ireland.

So I just saw Titanic so many times in the theaters. It's pretty hard to overstate the phenomenon that was Titanic and how sort of denigrated the movie had become before it came out. It was chronicled as this huge disaster from James Cameron for months and months and in premier magazine and in entertainment weekly and in all the trades it was it was thought to be this

huge boondoggle and cameron who is obsessed with the sea and had previously made the abyss which didn't make any of our lists unfortunately but it's a pretty cool movie uh and it turned out to just be the exact opposite and it's part of the reason why, even if we make jokes about Avatar 2 from time to time on this podcast, I'm just not underestimating Avatar 2. Pretty much every single time James Cameron decides he wants every single person in the world to see one of his movies, he gets what he wants.

So it'll be very interesting to see what happens. I mean, I don't even know how Avatar 2 gets made at this point, but Terminator, Ali mean, I don't even know how that, how avatar two gets made at this point, but Terminator aliens, Terminator two, Titanic avatar over and over again, he manages to capture the world's imagination. Maybe,

maybe a Titanic rewatches is in the offing for me soon. Um, my number one is Jaws. Some more eel fit right through my wetsuit. Well, nope, no. Listen, I don't know about that, but I entered an arm wrestling contest in Loki Bar in San Francisco.

You see this? No, I can't extend that. You know why? Got to the semifinal celebrating my third wife's demise. Big Chinese fella, he pulled me right off. Amanda, I don't think that we've ever talked about Jaws on this podcast.

Chris and I certainly have in one of the most spirited Rewatchables episodes we've ever done. Yes, that's true. Amanda goes in the water. Jaws is a classic. Also, again, Jaws accurately reflects many of my fears, both in terms of the ocean and also you know uh bureaucracy of a small town community so it's got it all for me amanda can i ask you a quick cue yeah where are you at on roy scheider and jaws you mean in terms of attractiveness yeah i'm curious whether or not like because because like i personally think that like roy scheider and cut-off sweatshirt is about as ideal of a man as you can be.

Do you want to fuck Roy Scheider? If I was stuck on a boat forever? Are you asking about the fashion here? Are you trying to get permission to wear jean shorts? I'm just asking how you feel about it. Yeah. I mean, like I'll take the information and run with it wherever I need to go, but I'm curious. Yeah. I love like a beach casual, but more of a locals vibe than the guy who comes into town with his, you know, Nantucket reds or Martha's Vineyard reds as the case may be so i'm pro and i think if you want to take up life in a small

beach town community and wear jean shorts i support you i'll come visit as long as you know we have you know surveyed the scene i think i think i missed my window for that i think that would be pretty weird now if i just showed up in like a Cape Cod community wearing jean shorts I think well I mean Chief Brody is he's a retired police officer I think he's a New York City police officer right yeah yeah and and he moves to this beach community he moves to Amity and he starts a new life for himself and he redefines his persona and everybody out in the beach community knows he's the city slicker and that he's kind of afraid of the ocean and yet he takes this gig would it be so different for a celebrity blogger and podcaster extraordinaire like yourself chris to just change your your tact on life would i become

a cop or would i be like the dj at the local radio station in amity maybe that could be my gig that sounds like what you want to do is that what you want to do you want to be a local open talk amity call me up let me know what's going on um i don't i don't know what else we need to say about jaws in particular it's it's i is it is it the most fun movie ever made is it the most rewatchable movie ever made it's i'm gonna i'm to pencil screw you a little bit here. Okay. Does too much of Jaws happen on land for this to be a sea movie? No.

The entire third act takes place at sea and it is in fact the archetypal film at sea. You've got these mangy dogs telling stories below deck. You've got an incredibly thrilling showdown

with a sea creature. You've got a ship breaking down and the peril and existential dread that comes with it. It's a perfect a sea creature. You've got a ship breaking down and the peril and existential dread that comes with it. It's a perfect at sea movie. It's got all the things you need. Sean, I'm just asking the questions, man.

I mean, like, you know. I'm defending vigorously. Yeah. I think it's also the thing is, is that while obviously Jaws is the monster of the movie, the unknowability that you guys were talking about at the beginning of this conversation, I think is such a key part of the dread that builds and builds and builds over the story.

And what's out at sea and what Quint is kind of is aiming at and what Dreyfus's character is saying is so powerful and overwhelming. There is this sort of slow build to the ambient dread that comes with this experience. And then once we actually get out on the sea, it's thrilling and exciting and funny and strange. And it's a story about friendship. It's a story about being eaten alive by a giant shark. It's just, it's got it all. Jaws is one of the greats. I mean, Jaws is one of my favorite movies ever made.

I was, you know, you're never going to hear me argue about that. Would you like me to move Finding Nemo up to number one, Chris? Amanda, what do you think? Am I pushing the limits of what this should be? I mean, in terms of if you can see the coast, if you can see land, it doesn't count, which is what Captain Chris stated is the rubric for this. I did have some questions, but you make a decent point. I wanted to ask you in terms of things that scare you about the sea, not to just bring this back to my fears at all the

times, but is it more about the creatures like say in Jaws or is it about like a tidal wave? Is it about being lost? Like where would you locate your sea fears? I think a lot of my fears are much more modest than that. I have these sense memories of getting caught in the riptide as a kid and being stuck underwater for that extra 12 or 14 seconds and feeling like I'll never be able to come back to my feet. I'll never be able to get back to land. And that's really terrifying. Very quick story. I used to go to the Outer Banks as a kid with my family on summer vacation. And one summer, we were swimming

out in the ocean and I like to swim very far out in the ocean. And I was very far out. And I'll never forget in the far distance, I could hear the voice of my grandmother screaming far out in the ocean and I was very far out and I'll never forget in the, in the far distance, I could hear the voice of my grandmother screaming at me in the ocean. And she was screaming loudly on a crowded beach shark. There is a shark. And she, and hundreds of people came in from the ocean as she was screaming shark. And then more people started screaming shark. And in fact, it was not a shark. It was dolphins. There were dolphins swimming behind us. And it looked like a shark. But that very small moment is really the only time I've ever been afraid of what could be

out in the sea. And it was proven to just be an immensely friendly mammal. Not a shark. It could have been like a great Instagram photo for you and your grandmother ruined it. Well, I was basically crying in the ocean, so I'm glad that that was not captured. What about you guys? What actually are you afraid of?

I'll tell you right now. Top three things I'm scared of all happen in the ocean if things go wrong. A, getting eaten. Don't want that to happen at all. B, drowning. That's just because you're just completely like,. Be drowning. That's just because

you're just completely like, I'm drowning. You're just completely like, I'm drowning? Yeah, because the whole thing with drowning is you're aware that it's going to happen and that it's happening.

And number three is being stranded somewhere and being forced to drink my own pee. Is that the number one thing you're afraid of? No, it's number three. No, number one is being eaten. Number two is shining.

And number three is being so dehydrated. I have to drink my own pee. So that episode of Better Call Saul must have been haunting for you. Yes, it totally is. But I don't even know if it works. That's the problem. I don't even have that information

so that if I get stranded out there and I'm cast away, I don't even know like let's find out right now chris why don't you drink here on your live on this show we'll find out dude whether this works the numbers that this would do you'd fucking owe me for that man really when you fight when you put up rogan numbers because cr drank his own is no number one don't ever fucking say i don't do things for you i've never said that you're you're you're you really are the quint of this podcast uh amanda what are you most afraid of well now i'm afraid of that and i'm afraid of that. And I'm afraid. That's your friend.

No, I'm not. So I'm, I'm afraid of a tidal wave. I'm afraid of the power of the ocean at the creature. They're going to get me or they're not going to get me. I don't know. I like you guys heard,

I've been worrying with a lot of creatures in nature recently, and I kind of see them more as ad equal adversaries. So it's just like, I'll do what the best that I can do and the shark will do the best they can do and like you know two men enter one man leaves but there's something about the power like the the riptides Sean as you said like and anytime you guys said tidal wave on this podcast I just got very stressed out you know when you're near the ocean and then you're driving away and you see the sign that says like you are leaving the tsunami zone i mean have you guys ever noticed that that there are

like signs on the side of the road if you make it to a certain elevation certain elevation that you're no longer in like a wow okay well i'm like basically looking out for them at all times so i'll let you know when we leave the tsunami zone because i just feel like such a relief because i think tsunami especially you know tidal think tsunami, especially, you know, tidal wave, anything really big, like, you know, it's coming and there's nothing you can do. It is a little bit like being stuck in the ocean and this giant thing that is way more powerful than you is coming and you're stuck. And that anticipation is just is absolutely it's terrifying to me. That's in the poseidon adventure the

movie essentially opens with leslie nielsen looking at a sonar and realizing you know 20 30 minutes before the tidal wave actually hits that this whole ship is fucked and that there is like something so terrifying about that and then the movie goes into this really elegant explanation of why like showing you who the characters are going to be who are going to survive the capsizing you know and it shows their character arcs very cleverly friend of mine who is a screenwriter was telling me about why it's one of the most teachable movies ever made because it shows you the arc of each character in the first 20 minutes of the movie but the biggest character in the movie as in so many of these movies is that tidal wave and the nature

yeah yeah exactly so guys one last question for you before we wrap this up. If you had to be eaten by a sea creature, which sea creature would you like to be eaten by? Amanda, why don't you start first? Oh, wow. I guess I'm looking for something that can go in one bite.

I don't want to prolong it. I understood what Chris was saying where he's just like, oh no, I'm drowning because you don't want to be aware of it. I think it Chris was saying where he's just like, oh no, I'm drowning because you don't want to be aware of it. I think it's called a jaguar shark in the Life Aquatic. It's obviously a made up white whale who is a shark and who is ultimately very beautiful. But he looked quite powerful and also like he could get the job done efficiently. That's what I'm looking for. Chris, what about you you know i would love to to go out with some notoriety and and get taken out

by like a truly fantastical like 20 000 leagues under the sea type type like super octopus or whatever like tear me apart you know that would still be kind of cool you know because i don't i would always need to be cited like i remember when chris how did chris die oh i got torn apart by like a mythical beast you know like i think that that would be and when you guys talked about me it would be like god damn like and and that was pretty cool you know what i mean like it wouldn't be as sad you know what i mean like that and? And he tried to drink his own urine halfway through to save the day, but it didn't work. Yeah, he had plenty of water, but he just wanted the experience. What about you, Sean?

You know, I was going to say a 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea giant squid, but maybe a better answer is what would seem like a friendly creature you know like maybe i made friends with a turtle oh yeah you know i yeah the turtle takes me to its family of turtles and then i'm attacked by the turtle family you know like nature really turns on me turtles yeah yeah what do you think is that good that's awesome i like the idea of like the like friendly parts of the sea turning breaking bad on you that's exactly the one thing i won't be doing and i'll tell you this and i'll tell all the listeners this and you can hold me to it is if i ever get attacked by a great white or any kind of shark and i have like

massive tissue loss i'm not going to be one of those inspiring people who get back in the ocean you ever hear about them like where it's like this surfer lost half his thigh but look at him he's out there at point data just getting after it with his prosthetic leg and i'm like no You ever hear about them? Like where it's like this surfer lost half his thigh, but look at him. He's out there at point data, just getting after it with his prosthetic leg. And I'm like, no, I will be living in Iowa. You will not see me near a coast ever again if I get massive tissue damage. So you're not the Bethany Hamilton of this podcast,

the soul surfer. Sorry, no. Amanda, what about you? If you lose a limb to the sea, will you return to the sea? I will probably just because I really like it. But number one, probably more in like a rehab capacity. And again, it's going to be a fluke. I'm a pretty cautious swimmer. As Chris definitely knows, I'm really monitoring the situation and I'm not going to get in if it looks like any danger is going to come my way.

I'm really trying to stick close to shore. So, you know, you can't take that love away from me. No great white can take the love of the sea, even if they take my arms. The great whites of the world are like challenge accepted. Hopefully they're not listening to this podcast. Chris and Amanda, I appreciate you guys opening your souls really here and talking about what you fear most. And also maybe like slightly what titillates you sexually when you think about the sea. This has been a very useful podcast, I would say.

One of the most important pods we've ever done. To whom? has been a very useful podcast I would say one of the most important pods we've ever done I feel like if anybody wants to psychoanalyze us you can get a little bit more clarity that's what's great about C movies please stay tuned to the big picture this trio will be returning later this week to talk about a different kind of terror I'm

talking of course about the new film Capone directed by the iconic Josh Trank. And we're also going to be focusing on the films of Tom Hardy, the star of Capone. We'll see you then. Hell yes. you