The Big Picture - An Everything-but-Movies Mailbag

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

Sean and Amanda field your questions about everything BUT movies (and some movie things). They answer questions about their origin story as friends, fiction and nonfiction book recommendations, death row meals, ‘Industry,’ cocktails, golf, fighting animals, and much more. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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everything but movies. Amanda is headed out on leave soon, so we're banking episodes. I had an idea. What if we just had a whole episode that didn't talk about movies? That's probably not actually going to happen here. Yeah, people didn't obey the rules, right Bobby? No. I tried. I chastised

them. You left the window open though. You were like, ah, but maybe you could. And then everyone was like, tell me about how to organize my Blu-rays. At the end of the day, am I right or wrong? This is a movie podcast. We do still have some constrictions. We just, we're recording from the past of the day, am I right or wrong? This is a movie podcast. We do still have some constriction. We just, we're recording from the past for the future.

And so we needed some sort of like news, you know, barrier, you know. Yeah. Something unaffected by the world at large. Deniability. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what we came up with. And I feel like we should just dive right in, right?

There's no reason to wait, no reason to clear our throats any further. Sure. Yeah, the first question is a very offensive question from our friend and colleague, Jomi Adeneron. Jomi says, hey, guys, first time, long time. Question for Sean and producer Robbie Wags. Who do you think should be the NL MVP? And why is it unequivocally and objectively Shohei Otani?

Not sure why Jomi left you out here, Amanda, since you're Los Angeles' number one Dodgers fan. And frankly, right now, big Phillies fan. So, you know, this is, again, I really hope I'm not jinxing things. I watched an absolutely pitiful performance against the Brewers last night, which actually does matter. More for you two than for the Phillies. Why is that? Because the Brewers are leading the Central League right now. That's right.

And they have 86 wins, but you need them to get losses so that you can get a wildcard spot. That's not true. That doesn't matter. It doesn't? Isn't it top six? Well, the three division winners are automatically in. So they're automatically going to be in.

Oh, I guess that's true. Yeah. This is an incredible way to start off this episode about not the news. So right now, Shohei is at 47 and 48, I believe. 47 home runs, 48 stolen bases. I am tuning in every night. I solved the problem. I don't know whether it's legal or not, so I won't be saying how.

But I want the regional sports networks to know that I still am against you, and it's a fucking outrage. But I am watching the Dodgers. I'm hopeful that we'll be at 50-50 by the time this goes out for Shohei. He's got 12 games left to hit three home runs. I think he can do it and steal two bases. Yeah. But everyone's kind of being mean about the stolen bases at this point.

They're really thrown back to first. I don't know. This is... I think Otani obviously is probably the greatest baseball player

I've ever seen short of Barry Bonds and I'm not opposed to him winning MVP. The stolen bases part of the argument doesn't really mean anything to me, honestly.

They changed the rules two years ago. It's way easier to steal bases than it was for years and years when Ricky Henderson was stealing 75 bases a year. Hitting 50 home runs and having an 1100 OPS and being the heart and soul of the Dodgers offense, absolutely, sure.

I get it. That's cool. Does the man play shortstop 160 games a year? He does not. So to me, I'm willing to have the bravery to say Shohei Otani, you're a fraud. Play shortstop, fraud. Don't say that

because he probably will. He could and will. Good. If you tell him to. All right. So who are you nominating as National League MVP in Shohei's place?

Well, naturally, Francisco Lindor is in second place. That's the purpose of the question. That's the... He's trying to set us off. He's trying to neg us. So I'm looking right now...

You're looking at F4? No, no, no. I'm looking at... Have you got baseball reference open? No, no, no, no. Just listen. I just have the stands open. So you guys have the sixth spot right now.

Correct. Atlanta is one game behind you. That's right. And you're kind of dancing with the Diamondbacks and to a lesser extent, the Padres. Yes, I think the Padres are out of reach. The Mets have a very difficult schedule. It'll all be clear at this time when this episode airs what has transpired. Including against three more or four more games against the Phillies.

Four more with the Phillies, three more with the Braves. Okay. And three more with the Brewers. So they're in a tough spot. Yeah. I am a Doomer and do not think this is going to work out. I've earned that Doomer status the hard way, having my heart get broken over and over again.

Now, both Bobby and Jack Sanders, who works on this show, are also both diehard Mets fans. I promise we didn't, like, arrange this so that our producers would be diehard Mets fans, but they are. And they are not doobers. I would say Bobby is, as he gets older, he gets closer and closer to my perspective.

Bobby, you still let the hope in. Oh, yeah. And then you're crushed publicly. And Jack to his credit has been steadfastly positive this entire season. And on this day

I think Jack you still believe they're gonna they're gonna make the playoffs. There's no point in being a doomer. There's no point. I've done it too long. I'm only 23. It doesn't matter.

I've done it since I was 7 years old. Why not be optimistic? It's a fun team. The opposite is true. I've done it since I was seven years old. Why not be optimistic? It's a fun team. The opposite is true. I can't let deeper pain in. I've let so much pain into my life. As Zendaya said in the film Spider-Man No Way Home, I think the Mets are going to go all the way this year. Bob, you feel the same way? I feel like I'm a selective doomer. I allow myself to have hope and then I tap out when it feels like that hope has been extinguished so that I can go on living my life in an enjoyable way because I just the truth is I just get too close and it really actually genuinely affects my real life

and at that point I just look at myself like from a 30,000 foot view and I'm like is this should I be doing this the answer is no and so I feel like I've extinguished some of those more doomer qualities where it just like ruins my whole week you know it might ruin my day from time to time Amanda you're right about that but letting it ruin my whole week or month I just I feel like I'm in a better place with that reason I'd love for you to come to my house and preach that throughout the football season which is another element here that's really difficult so I renounced the the Braves. I was forced to renounce the Braves. Thank you for your service.

Like at City Hall, did you go down and get a document signed? No, I just have to defensively yell, I renounced the Braves every time Zach or Chris Ryan looks at me. You guys are more accepting.

Also, it's like, I renounced the Braves for the Phillies, so you don't really care um they both can die in a fire as far as i'm concerned but i'm really in on the phillies right now in part because my son loves the philly fanatic and part because i do like watching baseball and it's also just like a really good thing to do when you're like too pregnant to move um so and also hopefully by the time you listen to this when you're like too pregnant to move. So, and also hopefully by the time you listen to this, when you're like home with a newborn. So the Dodgers, you know, the Phillies usually play

at four and then the Dodgers at seven. So it's like a great, just have something on. I really need one of them to stick around for October. And like, I'm going to be honest, they're both kind of fucking up right now. So I do understand where you guys are. are in decent shape. The Dodgers are not in such good shape.

The genius of this opening the episode with this question is the plan is for this episode to air on October 25th. And day one of the World Series is October 25th.

That's the first game according to the schedule. So do you think the Mets, Dodgers, or Phillies will be in the World Series? God, I hope so. I mean, if it's like the Brewers or the fucking... I feel like the Padres. The Diamondbacks again. The Padres kind of have the look right now. I can't.

No one cares, respectfully. It's classic coastal elitism right there. I mean, the Padres are San Diego. Yeah. You know? Lovely town. The Diamondbacks are Arizona. The people of Arizona have a lot to answer for, in my opinion.

The people of Arizona? Yeah. Like who? Like Carrie Lake? To name one. Okay. All right. Fair enough.

You think she's a big D-backs fan? Super into Zach Gallen? That was really challenging for Chris last year when the Diamondbacks eliminated the Phillies and those were his two loves competing. I know, yeah. It's brutal. It's brutal.

Okay, that's enough baseball. What's next? Did anyone know how the Philly Fanatic can come to my son's birthday party? Please get in touch if so. Oh, great. The Philly Fanatic used to come to my elementary school once a year,

so he could come. He's available. Okay. There were some licensing issues. So it seems like he's like maybe not as available as he once was. This was like a years-long legal battle. Yeah. But I just like this.

It's really, we're getting pretty desperate. So let me know. Dodgers Royals is my prediction just to be on the record from the past to the future. The next question comes from Amanda. Another Amanda listening. As a newish listener, what's the Amanda Shawn the future. The next question comes from Amanda, another Amanda listening. As a newish listener, what's the Amanda Shawn origin story? The big picture origin.

What's the origin story? I'm really sad to say it's the 2012 film, The Avengers. That's right. That's true. It is probably the origin story for this podcast. So we met through my now husband, Zach Barron.

I mean, we all were living in New York. We all worked for magazines in New York. And you were very close friends with Zach. So that's how I got to know you and Chris eventually. Then you guys moved. You and Chris moved to Los Angeles for Grantland, which was fortuitous timing for me because Zach was like, well, I don't have any friends anymore, so I guess I'll date you. And now we hopefully have two children.

The Phillies were right on a downswing too, so he didn't have that taking up his time. It's like, I mean, that is like sort of a joke, but it really, that's how it happened. In New York, Chris and Zach and I did spend an inordinate amount of time. Yeah. And a lot of time together. But before you moved, we all attended a press screening of the film The Avengers.

We did. And then we went to a bar that I think still exists, Flatbush Barn. Farms. Well, the farm was the restaurant and the barn was the bar. Oh, really? Yeah.

Don't you remember? You just revealed this to me. and there was like the swinging barn door. The barn was like meant to be like a pun on bar barn? Yeah.

That's a really terrible pun. Okay. Well, it was Flatbush Bar and Flatbush, like barn was next door and we were in the barn section. We were.

We were. So, I didn't know you were there. We didn't like go together or anything a bunch of people went yes did zach go i remember andy greenwald yes andy greenwald was there it was it was six sweaty dudes who'd just seen joss whedon's the avengers and you i think that was willa there like who else was there maybe my friend willa pascan was there willa was there? Maybe my friend Willa Paskin was there. Willa was there when Zach and I, like, officially, officially met for the very first time outside a press screening of the 2011 Anna Faris film, What's Your Number? Also starring Chris Evans, a.k.a. Captain America.

True story. That's where we met. And they were talking. Recently enshrined in the national registry you know at the smithsonian which is exciting um but so press screenings were a big part of our early dating so i think he probably just went because we were in the habit of going to movie screenings and i was working at vulture at the time so that's why i went so yeah we hung out there we'd hung out like once or twice either before or after that.

Yeah. But I didn't know you very well at all. And only got to know you more when I would come back to New York. Right. Or when you guys would come visit us in Los Angeles. And then you came to work at The Ringer. Correct. And we moved out to LA.

Yeah. And you came to run Culture. Yeah. On the site. And as far as the show goes, like, I think I've told the story before how Bill was just like, you should just interview directors on this show. Right. And at a certain point, we decided to, and that was going fine. And then Bill was like, you need to make this.

I don't know if you use the phrase a real podcast, but that's the phrase that I hear in my mind's eye. That sounds like Bill. Yeah. Have conversations and cover. I think in particular, it was awards sounds like Phil. Yeah, have conversations and cover, I think in particular, it was the awards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was doing, because that's always been the shared passion of ours.

We have always talked about that. And so I asked you to do it. We always had great chemistry and I thought it would be funny. And I have said before, like I really wanted somebody who was not like me on the show. You know, like didn't have the same taste as me, didn't have the same, but we had convergences. Listeners may not agree. Well, no, I mean said before, like, I really wanted somebody who was not like me on the show. You know, like, didn't have the same taste as me, didn't have the same, but we had convergences.

Listeners may not agree. Well, no. I mean, obviously, it worked. Like, I don't, I don't, I certainly don't think that was the wrong idea at all. But that's pretty much it, right? Like, is there anything, there's nothing else to it. Bobby did not start out with us as a producer, but you joined maybe like a year in, a year and a half in? I actually joined right before Amanda joined.

Oh, okay. That was this fall that I got brought on full time at The Ringer. I was an intern right before that. I would think I did a couple episodes of the interview show, and then pretty quickly right away, it became the conversation show as well. You were in LA, and so you were also coming to a lot of screenings, which was a halcyon time for all of us. And then the pandemic hit.

Mm-hmm. And then— The show changed forever. I mean, it— What happened is this Frog Sheriff happened, the Deacons Hall of Fame happened, and then the show changed. And I'm happy that it changed, but I do have some misgivings about what it has become. I have to be honest about that. I know that people like it.

This was not my life's goal to be a clown on a show that I host. But now that I am, I just have to accept it. Yeah. If I meet anyone who listens to the show, I promise I'm not like that all the time. Only, well, sometimes. Yeah. I mean, you know. And yeah, we've been doing it all together for a long time now.

It's been six plus years we've been doing it. That's crazy. That's right. David asks, given that you guys started the podcast in 2017, or 2018 thereabout, do you find it challenging to come up with reasons like the movie draft to discuss some of your faves before 2017? I don't find it challenging. I think it's not as natural because the conceit of the show

is contemporary movies there is another podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network that you frequently peer upon which show? Sports Car Nonsense? yeah Sports Car Nonsense I think honestly

it's more challenging to find we just did a podcast this week I think according to the spreadsheet about a great movie called Enora. Yeah. And that was really fun because it was like, oh, I love this movie. So it's honestly the new movies that we're like super jazzed about are sort of like instant classics are actually harder to come by, which is like the nature of movies.

Yeah. I think it's funny you say that, too, because this summer, as you know, I always try to keep a which is like the nature of movies. Yeah. I think so. It's funny you say that too, because this summer, as you know, I always try to keep a positive spirit about the state of movies. Sure. Yeah.

Famously. But I do genuinely look for the good in movies, if not the movie industry and the state of the movie world. And I think that this past summer was like, it was like an okay summer. Every movie was three stars. You know what I mean? There were no movies where I was like, it was like an okay summer. We had- Every movie was three stars,

you know what I mean? There were no movies where I was like, God, it's my favorite movie. So, it's nice to be heading into a season now where a couple, I've now seen,

you know, I said this about Nickel Boys, we said it about Enora, a couple things where I'm like, wow, that is actually, I've not seen something like this before. And that is kind of always the way,

which is- Yeah, you gotta wait until the fall. You know, the summer is the block way, which is, you know, the summer is the blockbuster dumb season, you know, smart dumb season. Yeah. And then all the prestige movies come out.

To this question though, I have enjoyed, like I enjoyed doing the Sidney Lumet episode. Yeah. I enjoyed doing the Philip Seymour Hoffman episode. I think it would be nice if we just did that a little bit more frequently. Candidly, it's harder to make, it's harder, it's more time to put into an episode like

that, especially since we're twice a week, sometimes three times a week in the second half of the year. And sometimes it's harder to get people to care, which I find a little bit frustrating, but I do understand why that's the case because people just want things that they know. They don't in this format of podcasting, they don't want things that they don't know. They want to discover like a five minute recommendation. They don't want a 90 minute recommendation. So complicated to know when to do it. For example, I really want to do the same thing we did for Lumet for Altman next year. Cause he turns out he would have turned a next February I think oh wow but that's like

but that's a huge deal for me yeah and it's a lot of work it's a lot of movies a lot of movies and how do you do it right

and there's multiple books about Altman and it's thorny it's complicated at times like some of those movies are not even available

yeah does it make sense to be devoting all the I don't you know I want to do, I want to do it. I want to do it. You should, you know, you should do actually, you should do like a, your own little scripted thing.

That takes even more time. Yeah, but it's, it's October. It's not even October. It's September. I know you have to prepare some PowerPoint presentations, but after that. Hey dude, don't mock me. I have a whole other job. I'll edit it. I can do it. I can help you. Well, what a whole other job i'll edit it i can do it

i can help you okay well what if you wrote it and i edited no way okay i'm died like bill said my fingers don't work anymore okay all right what's the next question bobby next question comes from pizza dad if movies cease to exist what ringer pod are you two best suited to host? Is the question together? Like, are we hosting a show together or are we going on existing shows? I think open for interpretation. I mean, you both participate in other shows. So I think together. Any question that we,

any answer that we give here is by no means meant to besmirch the actual host of the podcast. Because I was about to say like i we could do our own version of press box oh yeah but it would be but like brian curtis and david schumacher are amazing at that there's nothing wrong with that show yeah no it's it's wonderful yeah but like that's an interest that you know we both have i guess if movies don't exist then rewatchables doesn't exist i I do already host a different podcast called Jam Session, which I remain eminently qualified to host, given that Jam Session comes from Juliet and Amanda.

And that's still my name. Those were the only qualifications needed for that show. I don't think I knew that. What matters to Jam Session Island is decided by a committee of two. That's right. And I'm one half. So, you know what? Maybe you could be a guest on Jam Session while I'm out.

Julietta's looking for guests. A JMO session, perhaps. Yeah, there you go. I thought of, it's not really a podcast, but I thought of a short, like, maybe TikTok series that I could host for the ringer that I think I would honestly be amazing at. Okay. And this is also, okay. So we recorded a draft that hasn't aired yet, but I had one of these classic moments where there was a question posed during the draft that I didn't have an answer to in the moment, but now I have a great answer to, and it's like, what job do you think that you could substitute in for and do perfectly?

Or do better than the person doing it? So I think that we should have a TikTok series where, and it can start with just NFL catches. And NFL touchdowns. But you show me the video and I, using my eyes and common sense, will decide whether or not it's a catch or not. You're the sports decider. I am the sports decider because you guys have just lost the plot. It is absolutely out of control. I understand that there are rules and you're reviewing the rules and you're changing the rules and we have all the replays and it's an insult to the people watching at home who can use their brain and decide whether that

looks like a catch or whether that doesn't look like a catch or whether that looks like a touchdown there would be like a 40 week like tiktok segment on pylons alone. I have so many thoughts about the pylons and why that counts. But, you know, we can start with the NFL, then we can move to like NBA or, you know, any really any other decisions that need to be made. I, in 30 seconds, just with my brain, with this noggin, can make every decision that you need. And I feel like that would be amazing ringer content. Yeah.

I'll call Roger Goodell and see what he thinks. What was the question? Oh, what ringer pod are we suited to host? That was free content. That pod doesn't exist that you just pitched.

I know, but just call me. I'm available. I think they should make me the host of every single album. Taylor Swift. The sad thing is that aside from Taylor Swift albums, you could do so many every single album podcasts. Actually, I was thinking about finding a way to communicate this

to the audience of this show. This is important to me. We always are like, we're not critics, right? We say that all the time about the pod. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And always are like this. We're not critics, right? We say that all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the reason why I say that is twofold. One, we're not performing an act of criticism because we're having a conversation. That doesn't mean that we're not thinking about critical ideas, but I don't, I see what the act of criticism is very different from me and you hanging out and talking about what we thought about something. Right.

And the other thing is that I am a trained critic who literally went to school to learn about criticism and ran music criticism sections of magazines for a decade. Right. Like I deeply understand what it is to be a critic. And I assure you that this is not criticism, what we're doing on the show. But that is like all tied up in that kind of like spongy middle of like what is podcasting that is related to this question where you're like, yeah, I could do every single album, the Wu-Tang Clan. I could do every single album, the Eagles.

I could do every single album, John Coltrane. Like I just spent 40 years of my life amassing all of this information. Would that just be an elevated expression of fandom? Or would it be criticism? Or neither? Would it just be like yelling my feelings? Yeah, yelling your feelings, which we used to do at bars. And now you do into a microphone and get paid for it, which frankly, good job.

I know, it worked out. Yeah. The culture came to me. Yeah. Well, I always joke about that with Chris, where i'm like the world had been chris had been waiting for podcasting to be created for 37 years and then it was created and it was like holy shit the greatest living podcaster is sitting here the whole time this is amazing how this worked out yeah but yeah you're right um what ringer i don't know the press box is probably the right answer yeah

that's a good call because you and I are. We could do it. And we consume like different but related strains of media. I had a fantastic time going on the Press Box with Brian Curtis. It's one of our best shows. Yeah. He's wonderful. So again, we're not trying to replace him, but you know, it was fun.

If I'd love to be asked back. Incredible. Incredible answer. That's my answer for what show am I most qualified to produce besides this one. Press box? Yeah. I actually have a journalism degree in case anyone at home is wondering what are my qualifications here. I don't.

I have no formal training except for, you know, knowing what a catch is. Sometimes that's enough. Yeah. The trenches. Trained by the trenches. Okay. Our next question here in this very serious journalistic endeavor

is from Kush Jones. And Kush Jones wants to know. Appreciate it, Kush. Dream JMO guest. Dead or alive. Kush slash, Kush slash, Kush slash.

You guys remember that? Jerry Maguire? No? Gore Vidal? That's a good one. The first person who came to my mind was Marion Cotillard

you know I think a lot of people think that JMO is about conspiracy theories but we're about truth you know does she have the truth

does she know the truth I think that she has perspectives on a lot of important global events you know different ways of um

of making movies different ways of different lifestyle you know different ways of um of making movies a different ways of different lifestyle you know she's got it all so i i think it'd be funny also she's on the morning show season four so you should get her on jam session that's what you need to do yeah i feel like she's just loose with her opinions i mean that is why i want her on JMO yeah JMO I don't know JMO is not about guests you know it's not about like booking high level talents it's about cutting through I don't want your press tour talking points

yeah get that out of here I want people who've never made anything to come on JMO also I kind of want Oliver Stone right like he is the original jmo it's true that without him there is no jmo there's no denying that that he is he is sort of the plymouth rock of what we make at jmo which i'm just prouder and prouder of every day i can hardly believe how big it's gotten and what a huge part of my life it is um next question andy asks fiction and

non-fiction book recommendation i don't read fiction anymore as you know but i am reading a non-fiction book not about movies at this exact moment it was a gift given to me by my dad that is called the snakehead by patrick radden keefe which i think is his first book of non-fiction okay um which is about a crime syndicate um related to illegal immigration and human trafficking that is entirely run by an 80 year old chinese woman and it's a true story obviously it's a work of journalism and it is fucking crazy uh and i didn't know this book existed and my dad read say nothing and he was like um what do you know about this guy and i was like oh yeah i know all about him he wrote a book about uh big pharma and he wrote about the

which is we also recommend i mean patrick rattenkeef is one of those like he's like he was like i read this other book that he wrote about you know the chinese syndicate in in new york and i was like i don't know what that is. So shout out to my dad for putting me onto a great work of nonfiction. I did not know about this book either. I believe the television adaptation of Say Nothing is coming out a few weeks after this podcast airs. If you haven't read Say Nothing,

that is, that's just number one. Unbelievable. I have several recommendations because I like to read. I am currently reading the new rachel kushner book creation lake uh which i am enjoying i think it's very good what's it about it it's it's sort of a spy novel it is about a woman who used to work uh undercover for one of the American agencies and now has gone private and she is investigating an eco-activist group in the southwest of France. Okay. But that makes her sound,

well, I don't know whether it makes her sound like, who's the good person and who's the bad person and where your alliance is and who's doing the right thing is very much questioned throughout. Ambiguity. Yeah. We love it as a literary theme. This book was recently the subject of some, you know, you gotta love a good literary takedown in the London review of books,

but so it's sort of like, it was also shortlisted for the Booker prize. So, you know, it's Rachel Kushner. I'm enjoying it. Just want to say, I think it's good. Will it land the plane?

I don't know. I'm not there yet. I will also shout out the new Kate Atkinson novel, Death at the Sign of the Rook. It's the latest in her Jackson Brody series. She's my favorite living novelist, probably. That just came out. So, and also Freeport Dimension.

So that's good. And then I have two nonfiction books for you also. Shoot. Number one is just my friend's book, Selling Sexy, Victoria's Secret, and The Unraveling of an American Icon

by Lauren Sherman and Chantal Fernandez, which just came out. And it's also very good if you care about, I don't know, fashion or retail or business or... What if you care about lingerie? Sure.

There you go. Do you? Are you passionate about lingerie? Sure. There you go. Do you? Are you passionate about lingerie? I'm sure that you've purchased something at Victoria's Secret in your life. Yeah. Yeah. We all have. I'm a married man.

And then the other one is my comfort book, which is The Vanity Fair Diaries by Tina Brown, which came out several years ago. I reread it because I couldn't sleep. But it's an amazing book about the 80s about what boomers did to us um about magazines about my hero and also very readable so i don't know there you go you you came prepared i did i i like books that's that's my physical that's my physical media yeah but no one listens to a podcast about books. Yeah.

I do listen to more books now than ever, though. I do actually listen to the New York Times book review podcast now because Gilbert Cruz, the editor and our friend, relaunched it, and he has the most famous authors in the world on just hanging out. It's pretty cool. Are they good at potting? Yeah, some of them are. Who's been the best so far?

Jonathan Franzen. Thank you. Jonathan Franzen should have a podcast. Do you remember the blog post that they did during the pandemic that was like all, this was a New York Magazine blog post, and it was all these authors' bookshelves? Which was like a good idea. And most people were like, you know, some people had the Billy and some people had, it was just like, what do you use to shelve your books? And then Jonathan Franzen just like sent construction instructions for the bookshelf that he handmade. Very special guy.

He's elite. I think the culture has completely come back around to, oh, holy shit, the world-class novelist of our time. There was like a dip there for like five to 10 years. They were like, oh, he's so annoying. But then you go back and you read Freedom and you're like, motherfucker. These corrections, these books are unreal. He's amazing.

Lots of birds in Freedom. Yeah, hell yeah. We love birds and we love to fly. What's the next question? To be clear, you just don't care about fiction anymore, despite all that. Well, when the culture turned against Franz and I turned against franz and i

turned against fiction that's just a fact uh the next question comes from zach how would sean and amanda rate this is not zach baron i promise how would sean and amanda rate each other's general email etiquette this is an amazing question i have so many opinions about sean's email etiquette what's my email like i don't even know what it is. Well, it's a little, it's like texting with you in that it's a little Jekyll and Hyde, you know? And sometimes you get the real, it's either like, so there's a person that we all know and hate called Plane Sean. And Plane Sean is a literal person who can be on a plane, just like turbo charging through work and correspondence. And you suddenly get like 45 emails, uh, and a lot of calendar invites and some loosey goosey big picture we should go to this mall on this day.

You know, it's like, he's really, he's just locked in to the documents. And so plane Sean communicates very tersely and exclusively with severe punctuation. And like the highest version of plane sean does come from sean on a plane but it doesn't always have to be on a plane for you to get some plain sean style correspondence it's really at its core it's downtime sean um but but like it but it's not downtime. It's efficiency, Sean. Okay. And I would group that in the category of the guy who doesn't want to say hi to you at the supermarket, even though you're one of his literal best friends. But then sometimes,

sometimes you do get downtime, Sean, loosey-goosey Sean, like let's chat. Exclamation points are used then. You might get like a second or a third response. This is true on text and email. Sometimes you get like a foreword with a joke and you're just like, wow, having a good day over there. So, you know, I would say that email is still one of his most, like top three forms of communication. I feel like some people have really like sunsetted email, but Sean is still dialed in. The other thing is that like you can tell on timing,

you either get an answer right away or you get an answer at like between 10 and 12 p.m. when he's like clearing and he's doing like his inbox zero thing. And that's it. That's going to be a more severe plain shot experience. I feel like you're carrying over a lot of like scar tissue from 2016 and 17. When I was at my most Tasmanian devil working phase of my life. Pre-pod.

You did send like a really prompt and friendly email yesterday that I was like. What did it say? It was like, hey, I already like saw this, but thanks so much. Thanks for listening. Like exclamation point. Yeah. And that's like a new muscle that you've developed that I'm proud of. No, it's just that's how I talk to people that I respect.

Exactly. But yeah, I mean, just like a lot of like one sentence emails with a period at the end, you know, that's like you like you all know what that means. So now it's your turn. I mean, what a remarkable expression of power I've developed. I feel so good about what my reputation is. I think I would describe Amanda's extended communication over both email and text as avoiding the point. That there's no attempt to get to the final destination really at any point. And perhaps that resembles somewhat your participation on this show. There are plenty that you are a very open correspondent that you want to talk yeah you have a lot to say and you're curious what other people

have to say about things you want to have fun you want to laugh but you don't want to get the work done and my what work well if you're if we're scheduling something that's one email one text like we've said it it's all one pod okay all this is all part of a big project i don't have time to like be constantly podcasting with you but that's that's not what i'm saying now it would be i think that would be funny and perhaps the 24-hour telethon is in our future here to raise some funds for a cause we care about but more that i'm trying to stay on the task of my life which is frankly just grinding me to bits lately and um so i try to like the terseness is an expression of that time is money thing that i feel inside me that very long island aesthetic of like

what are we actually doing here folks yeah you Yeah. You are not operating in that way. You are operating in a like, did you see this hat? I like this hat. And I honestly, I'm not mocking you. I respect it. If I could get on your level, I would be sending a hat text and be like, this is, I liked this. This was cool.

But I don't, you know, and the precious few things that I have that energy about, I know you don't care about. Yeah. You know, and I'm like, do you see the new Arrow video announcement for the Blu-rays coming in December? Like, you don't want that text from me. I have text chains for those things. I guess it is like a fairly daffy style of. Yeah, it's great. I mean, i have nothing

negative to say about it but i i genuinely every day i'm like amanda is so weird this is a true thing that you say very often but like you don't think really translates like that other people don't really understand the depths of the weirdness because there's been a big mission to make me the weirdo of the show which i respect respect. You are. I am weird. But you are also, you know, deeply disturbed buying $9,000 teacups.

I'm just like off-topic weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, you know, you're in,

as my daughter would say, a phase of mom. Like, you've extended into like a mom experience where you're just like, did you see this book over here?

Or did you see this story over here? Like, you're just like, there's a lot of stuff like floating. And you're just like, because when you have kids, here? Or did you see this story over here? Like, you're just like, there's a lot of stuff like floating. And you're just like, because when you have kids, you're like just trying to hold it all together all the time.

So when you see something that distracts you, you're like, oh my God, over here. And then you have to turn back and look at your kid. You know, you can't happen for too long an extended period of time. I admire your style. I think you've done great things with it. Okay, thanks so much. Emails, you're not really an emailer. So I don't really have a lot of it. Okay. Thanks so much.

Emails? You're not really an emailer. So I don't really have a lot of feelings about that. I am past email. That is the one thing I would say. It's like I'm not really going to respond. That's kind of the thing that they don't tell you. But like you don't really have to respond.

I email a lot, but almost entirely for this show. Yeah. Publicists, screenings, booking guests. That's what I do. Within the first couple months of me producing this show yeah publicists screenings booking guests that's what i do within the first couple months of of me producing this show i remember you saying like you're a good emailer you know you know how to write an email and i'm like what did you think was gonna happen when i got here like did you think i was gonna be completely incompetent of communicating with people over email because i was so people are people it's really tough yeah you're just like oh this is

not gonna we're not gonna get anywhere in the text format. You know, we're going to have to take it to the phone or in person. And that's okay. People have different strengths. Yeah. I'm just having like a realization wash over me as we're having this conversation. Because I never podcast in quite this way. But my dad was in town a few months ago and we were hanging out with him

and my stepmom and my daughter. And my daughter, who's amazing, is pretty high strung. And my dad was like, yeah, she's just like you. She's really high strung. And I was like, oh, wow, you think I'm high strung.

And then I started going through the entire last decade of my life. I was like, wow, I'm pretty high str then I like started going through like the entire last decade of my life I was like wow I'm pretty high strong yeah and you don't you can't sometimes you can't see yourself until

someone shines a light upon you yeah yeah so perhaps you've been able to see yourself more clearly as I have recently as a daffy lady in the world I mean I guess so I

don't know it's just sometimes I'm like if we're gonna talk I'll just tell you what i'm thinking about and sometimes it's a hat i guess yeah sometimes you see this hat i like this hat i don't know it's a great stand-in for whatever it is you're on about i don't know okay i was really on the fence about pulling that question in but i'm glad i did the next question comes from Emily.

If the entire show got stuck in an elevator together for an extended period of time, what do you think would happen? Is Chris included in this? Yeah. Why not? It's a big elevator. And is there air conditioning or like ventilation in the elevator? Let me just call Emily in. She's actually in my other room here at my apartment. this has been like a recent point of concern because in here at the

office just because it was very hot in los angeles recently and the only way to get to the parking structure is through a elevator that is definitely like notated. I mean, I don't know what the industry standards are or whatever, but it is like suffocating. I've obviously been like quite pregnant. And so in that situation, I would be like full blown panic, like calling ambulances. If it's not that, I feel like I would just like sort of sit down and like not help and tune everybody out at some point pretty quickly and you would go through a phase of like real anger and frustration and then quiet and then some real what's the meaning of life stuff. You nailed it. Chris would do,

Chris would just be doing bits. I mean, like, honestly, I know all I do is, like, pitch shows starring Chris Ryan, but, like, Chris Ryan's stuck places. Yeah, yeah. And trying to figure out

how to get out, but also keep the morale up. Like, stuck on a funicular. Yeah. Stuck on a ski lift. And, like, assessing the various dangers, you know, and, like, what occurs to him is, like, how to triage funicular. Yeah. Stuck on a ski lift. And like assessing the various dangers, you know, and like what occurs to him is like how to triage the situation. Yeah.

Stuck in a vestibule that won't, the spinning door, you know, and it came in another guy and they're in it together. I think that Bobby and Jack would be the fairly practical people in terms of like have we contacted the authorities i think that they would know that they shouldn't they should try to hold it together yeah in front of the grown-ups but i think secretly would be freaking out because nobody wants to be stuck in an elevator i wouldn't i'm just telling you right now i would not do well stuck in an elevator i don't love small spaces like that oh so it's a claustrophobia situation? Kind of. Yeah. I mean, totally valid. I've been very stressed out about it the last few weeks. I think depending on the size of the elevator, I would do all right for like up to an hour.

But anything beyond that, I would be upset. Not having a good time. I think Chris would start talking about water supply really quickly. You know? Yeah. I think he and I both would really have to pee. So that would be an issue. Yeah? Yeah. I think he and I both would really have to pee. So that would be an issue. Yeah.

Yeah. I'd prefer to not get stuck in an elevator anytime soon. Yeah. I also hate when technology that should function close to 100% of the time doesn't work. So I would just be going off about that. Probably try to find blame for that. Did you ever see the M. Night Shyamalan produced film Devil? No.

It's about eight people who get stuck in an elevator and one of them is the devil. Night Shyamalan produced film devil no it's about eight people who get stuck in an elevator and one of them is the devil oh that's pretty good incredible to Bobby's point you know what I would actually do though while I sat down on the floor and withdrew is I would get my phone out and I would try to figure out like which corporate entities are responsible for me being stuck in an elevator and I would fucking send some scathing. You want to know who would be back on email? It's Amanda Dombins. Just being like, this is the reason, you know, like, why don't you take this and put it in your PowerPoint presentation, you assholes. So that's how I would spend my time. Okay. That's an interesting question. Are these all social experiment questions? Is that the idea?

Not all of them. Now we're going to get into some movie questions, and you yelled at me about that, so what do you want me to say? Next question comes from Darius. If you could resurrect one screenwriter from the classic Hollywood period in his or her prime for one spec script,

which one and what subject? So the idea here is that you could resurrect them in 2024, right? Yeah. Not that you're transporting back to 1938. Yeah. Okay. So what I want is Billy Wilder to write a movie about social media. That's good.

That's what I think he is well suited to. I mean, so I'm cheating and I'm not, I mean, let's be real. Like classic Hollywood, there are a lot of very talented screenwriters, but unless you take Billy Wilder or Preston Sirtis you know it a lot of people were doing good work so I would take Sirtis as a writer or director or just bring Rack Howard Hawks as a director and do a comedy of remarriage about uh Ben and J-Lo starring Ben and J-Lo oh wowarring Ben and J-Lo. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's good. Thank you. That's good. Yeah, we are about three days after the Polo Lounge

in case anyone listening wants to follow along. Where do you think they're going to be at at this point? I mean, who can know? And I will tell you that part of the reason I would like to bring one of these classic masters of the form back is because I felt that the Polo Lounge incident did not narratively make sense. And this was the first time where I was like, the writer's room has just like run out of ideas. I don't get it.

The kids are at a separate table. They're making out. Sounds like you don't understand passion. I do understand passion, but I don't understand why you're doing it at the polo lounge. I could psychologize it. I mean, sure. But I, you know, I would like, I would like some more rigid storytelling is what I'm saying. I see. And some banter.

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what would their final meals be? And what crimes put them on death row? Really essential second part of this question. Yeah. I mean, I categorically don't believe in the death penalty, so I'll just say that right now. So any form of injustice, you know, it's like...

That's impressive. Are there any other platforms you'd like to share? What is your stance on Medicaid in 2024? Do you feel that our prescription drug business is... Yeah, I think everyone

in the healthcare system is doing really great work, especially private insurers. Okay. And pharmaceuticals. Yo, I had to... Yo! Yo! private insurers okay um and pharmaceuticals yo i had yo yo like do you want to talk about vaccines right now because i just had it's fine i was eligible for a vaccine as a pregnant woman this was such a good idea this was one of my best ideas like it's an actual fucking crime. I had to fight tooth and nail for something which I am medically eligible for.

And prenatal care is supposed to be guaranteed in the state of California. And 45 different people are being like, no, sorry, we don't have it. And then it was 300 bucks. It's like, that is an outrage. And I was able to do it. But, like, we need vaccines for people you know we need it's the public health system everything is a fucking mess and i blame republicans you're really you're very brave you're a brave woman you're a brave woman just putting

yourself out here like that i have no idea what you're talking about no clue what you're talking about right now we need vaccines that should be free yeah don't wouldn't you like to be able to give alice an rsv vaccine sure yeah but it's not available to children in the united states even though it's been widely available in europe for some time uh huh you can get it if we know they know what they're doing over there for sure if you're old or if you're between 32 and 36 weeks pregnant with a prescription. But then can the doctors actually get it because the pharmaceutical companies are tying it up, of course, and then only distributing it where they can make the most money. And then the insurers are only covering it under medical.

It's like it's fucked up. This system is fucking fucked up. When you were in the running to be on RFK Jr.'s ticket and you shared these ideas, he said what? And did he drop out because of the way that you confronted him? I don't want to have to take my children to the ER this winter and I don't want you to have to go to the ER either. I don't want anyone to have to go to the ER. Of course I agree. What will your death row meal be?

I don't know. I got so mad I forgot to think about this. I mean, how many courses are we doing here? Let's just do one course. What? All right. Okay. All right, Marie Antoinette.

Settle down. Just think for the sake of whatever could be perceived as brevity on this episode. Is it like, do I get a cocktail hour? You can have one drink and one meal. All right, lady. You're in the fucking brig. You're about to go to the chair. I don't agree with that.

Well, then sit this question out for crying out loud. You know what I really like is chicken parmesan. You have made it for several New Years. It's always a great tradition. I love chicken parmesan. I love to make chicken parmesan. I love to eat it. I love to go to just like a real red sauce checkerboard italian joint and just get like a big fucking plate of chicken parmesan i've never gotten that i've been like what a mistake i'm

always like god this fucking rocks now if you put on top of that an old-fashioned or gin martini forget it yeah it's a great night that's just that's just america to me just feed me invented italian meals that were actually invented in america right i mean mine would trend similar which is that i would have a negroni and then probably spaghetti vongole that's great some version of pasta seafood pasta. Get a full stomach before they light you up full of lethal injection.

Neither of you said which crimes you committed. So maybe you don't want to indict yourselves? I assassinated all the private insurers and redistributed. It's very clear that

murder is the crime that Amanda has committed. There's no question about that. The episode of JMO right before Amanda actually commits that crime is going to do Amanda has committed. There's no question about that. The episode of JMO right before Amanda actually commits that crime is going to do 10 million downloads. What's a crime I actually could credibly be seen as committing?

I don't think I'm a murder guy. Definitely not a thief. You know, I'm a little afraid. I'm a little afraid of breaking the law. It's not something I want to do. Hmm. Ponzi scheme you can feel it when a draft is going awry yeah you know and i'm like i gotta start stacking lies on top of lies pretty stressful that's true and you're living on death row for a ponzi scheme i mean those guys should be put to death well but they're responsible

for like millions of people's livelihoods being taken away from them. I agree. And so should like sports owners. But, you know. Whoa, whoa. Hey, settle down. I mean, murder is the only real death row, right? I don't believe in death row, but.

I'm not asking you about that. Like maybe a political assassination. Okay. So, I mean, if you attempted to assassinate a despot in a foreign country, they wouldn't put you on death row. More than likely, right? That's true. It probably gives you the presidential medal of freedom for that. Maybe. Maybe.

Okay, Connor asks, who of the emerging stars of industry will be nominated for or win the most Academy Awards? Tough one, right? It's hard. Because. To graduate. Right. There's a world where the euphoria effect happens and all of them go on to incredibly successful careers.

Or there's a chance, and I say this with respect, that this is Beverly Hills 90210 and that this is what they are known for forevermore. I'm not saying it's as popular as Beverly Hills 90210. I'm not saying it's as frivolous as Beverly Hills 90210. But sometimes when a world is set so concretely

in your mind, especially with young actors, it's hard to get out of that mold. What about David Johnson? Well, he's off the show. I know. Well, that's why i was like he he was there and he transitioned out before he got like fully one of the best parts of alien

romulus for sure yeah wonderful and rylane yeah you can see him having a bigger career as an actor but like i don't know marissa bella looks like she should be a movie star i mean she's got that thing that right you know ma Mahala is the same. They both have the thing that you're like, I want to know what's going on in that person's head. You know, that's like, it's like you're beautiful and there's something going on behind your eyes. That's the whole story of movie stardom. And they both have that. So if they pick good parts, Marissa Bella unfortunately picked Amy Winehouse.

That wasn't great. That didn't work out. Not her fault. I didn't care for that. No, she tried. I think there's a world where it's Ken Lung who becomes, in the second half of his career, the Swiss Army knife for actors and could be nominated for Academy Awards.

Unfortunately, Ken Lang is also the answer for the next industry-related question. Bobby? The next question comes from Tom. Which industry character would be the best third chair on JMO? I mean, it's clearly Eric. It's not even close. I mean, I would love to book Rishi.

Sure. I think Rishi, I'm not saying I agree with his ideas, but they are provocative. Sort of feel like that one might be unpublishable here on the Ringer Podcast Network. Well, you know, these are mature conversations, you know? And sometimes they need to be had. That Rishi episode, man, I'm still floating off that one that was some wild shit that was like rounders 2 i was like this is sick you guys just made rounders 2 with reishi

amazing idea anyway what's next okay joseph asks a very normal question you have to watch a january 6th movie made by one of the following directors which do you choose? Aaron Sorkin, Michael Bay, or Clint Eastwood? Absolutely sick question. There's only one answer for me. For you, it's Aaron Sorkin. No, it's Michael Bay. Oh, okay. No, it's because you can't trust anyone

to actually try to... You need the most cynical, boneheaded version. You can't have anyone like, folding in any ideals. You think it should be like Momoa for Kiyoshamans?

Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. Like, you just have to. I mean, he, the thing is, so he made 13 Hours.

Right. The Benghazi movie, which is not his best movie. And I can feel him trying a little too hard to have something to say in that movie, even though to have something to say in that movie,

even though there's nothing to say about it. And I don't know, like to me, what I like, I like when Clint is like, I understand this better than everybody. Yeah. And sometimes he's so right.

Like in Sully. And sometimes he's so wrong. Sometimes he's talking to a chair, an empty chair. Sometimes he's talking to an empty chair. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah.

That wasn't great. I didn't, I didn't love that. And I don't always love Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't great. I didn't love that. And I don't always love the man's politics. Yeah. But, again, Richard Jewell, a brave act. He cares about journalism. He could be the third chair of the press box. We're one week away from,

I honestly just almost called it the rural juror. What is it called? Juror number two. Sure, juror number two. Okay. Could be good. Yeah, juror number two. Okay. Could be good. Yeah, sure. Could be good.

I think I'd rather see a Michael Bay movie at this stage of my life, but I'd rather watch Prime Clint Eastwood's version of the January 6th movie. I think that's right.

Where's Bay at? Following up Ambulance? Am-B-U-L-A-N-C? Why are you saying that with such disdain? You said that that was a five-star masterpiece and one of the best movies

of this decade. I fucking love that movie. There's no disdain. The disdain is for Hollywood that has abandoned Bay after he just created billions of dollars for this husk of a city

and then they turned their back on him the minute it became convenient. How dare you, studio chiefs in Hollywood, reject one of our cinematic masters? I'm not done. Frankly, he should be given

two more franchises. Transformers was not enough. Transformers and G.I. Joe, let's put them together and then bring in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And let them... Okay, I'm done. Okay, great.

Next question comes from Jonathan. Amanda, in honor of my current Parks and Recreation rewatch, what would an Amanda Dobbins Treat Yourself Day look like? Okay, so I haven't seen this Parks and Rec episode in some time. So it's like we're locally based, right? It's really just, yeah, I think it has to be like within reason. Yeah, I'm not like, it's not like suddenly we're like on coffee. Yeah, it's not like I'm on the private jet to Mallorca right now.

All right, so Los Angeles. Okay, can I at least control the time of the year? Yeah, I would say so. Okay, so it's summer and you've got a favorable wave report for swimming in the ocean which for me means very very um low to non-existent waves basically i'm checking the surf reports and if they say it's poor surfing conditions it's great swimming conditions so you you don't set an alarm clock you wake up on your own time why why are you looking at me like this it's not a hat it's a real question that someone asked continue i'm sorry that you

wake up at 5 a.m every day i'm sorry too i'm deeply sorry um you're gonna have the coffee of your choosing at home and a coffee cake of someone i'm really passionate about coffee cake okay great um i think the porto's coffee cake in los angeles is a really slow i mean porto's is obviously not slept on but it's only 10 bucks it's really insane i don't like i don't know what they're doing it's excellent anyway so hopefully someone has brought that to your home. Okay. Then you make it to the beach. And as we've discussed, it's a nice summer day and it's swimmable. So you hang out the morning in the beach. You go swimming.

You want to get there before the crowds are too intense. Also, here's our beach etiquette, everyone. We do not play loud. We don't have a speaker. We're there. We aren't listening to music. We're there to enjoy the't listening to music. We're there to enjoy the sounds of the beach. Okay. Okay. Then we have, maybe you're, you have a book because you don't

have a child, which is really nice. Or maybe you want to spend it with your child. It's up to you. Um, then you're done. And then, okay. So seafood lunch. Hmm. Um, depending on where you go to the beach, I like Malibu seafood seafood the point here is that you kind of want fried seafood and french fries you know and tartar sauce don't give me your macro stuff Bobby then you're gonna find your way home you're gonna take a nap that's really important then you're gonna wake up and you're gonna make it to what I was asked. 5 p.m. movie of your choice. I think this podcast is being released on the day that Conclave is released. That's right.

And I have to tell you, I'm so excited to just go to Conclave as a civilian and just like watch like a highbrow dumb movie. Did you already go as a defense contractor? Like I'm just going to show up and I up i'm gonna be like this is like definitely taken from an airport novel but it's fancy actors and fancy clothes and i can't wait um and then dinner at your local houston's and you gotta get the artichoke dip what you want for the entree is up to you i i mean i can never not get the chicken sandwich, so this is kind of tough. You like Houston's.

Don't look at me like this. I'm not judging you at all. What I've done is clear out. And then go home and get a good night's sleep. There it is. America, everybody. That's conspicuous consumption. That's what it'll get you.

What? What do you want me to say? My treat yourself day No one asks. It says just Amanda Dobbins. A giant fish bowl the size of my head full of Sour Patch Kids

and I want to smoke a fat blunt at 9 a.m. in the morning and just sit on my couch and watch horror movies. That's it. That's the only thing I want and I probably won't be able

to do that until like 2047 based on how my life is going recently but when I get to that day it shall be a great day I shall be you finally at peace I probably left out some like idle online shopping that you do on your phone if we're being very honest maybe during the trailers for the movie okay thanks for filling in on that a hat I like this hat i don't know it's like maybe this is the day that you buy that weird hand cream from instagram you know maybe and you keep it at like

a pump by the side every day and then it has retinol in it do you know about retinol? It's weird how I was sent to hell in the middle of my life. After committing no sins. I think it was like 14 minutes ago. Do you know what retinol is? Retinol? Yeah. I know what retcon is, and I know what rehypnol is.

Vitamin, and none of the face things. I mean, it's good. You're being very expressive. Definitely understand what you mean. It's like, it's a, not really. I mean, it can be delivered in many different forms. It's a skincare ingredient that stimulates rapid cell, skin cell turnover. So it's an anti-aging thing.

I can't believe you still haven't seen the substance. You just explained the substance to me. Yeah. I mean, this is actually going anti-aging thing. I can't believe you still haven't seen the substance. You just explained the substance to me. Yeah. I mean, this is actually going to be the thing. Like, what if I walk out and I'm just like, yeah, about the substance. I think it's in play. I know. I mean, it's definitely speaking to ideas you're interested in.

It's just the execution is what I'm concerned about. Yeah. But so you can't use retinol every day and you exfoliate every day. So I don't want to introduce retinol into your life. Okay. You got to build up tolerance over time. But you can't use it when you're pregnant or when you're nursing so I'm off it right now but I'm excited got it I can't use the hand cream either but maybe on treat yourself day definitely I'll be sure to make that day happen for you as soon as I can um what's next are you

guys do you guys want to do this next question about child rearing? Sure. He's in a great emotional space. Pizza Dad is back. Pizza Dad has another question here. As the parent of a toddler, I often wonder... Wait, hold on a second. Is this man a father of pizza? Is it an individual pie? I have the Federal Bureau of Investigation looking into the nature of Pizza Dad.

Speaking of parenting, sorry. I just got a read the whatever. I just got a text from Zach. Knox has requested that Myrna Arnani take him to a police station. Just a little sneak preview. Things to come. This is not good, but that's an incredible text message. Wow.

Copaganda from the two-year-old. Incredible. It's hard Because it's like We're really trying You know And there's like The book about jobs

That he loves And we're like Yeah You know Fireman Firewoman Great stuff And then he's like

Police officer And you're just like But it didn't work I have some thoughts About it For him When he comes of age Sorry

That's an incredible text message You don't know why he wants to go there. He didn't say he could want to rebel rigid. That's true. That's true. You're right. It's true. In general, we haven't gotten a lot of responses to the question why from him.

So you're right. We don't know. Nonviolent disarmament. That's what his interests are. Exactly. Yeah. He's like the Batman of two and a half year olds in the Los Angeles area. Okay.

Pizza Dad's question. As the parent of a toddler, I often wonder, what did you two find as the most difficult part of child rearing? For me, it's sleep deprivation. So I am in a phase, and if the show has just been weird this fall, I'm really sorry. But I am in a phase where I'm just not getting any sleep because of child rearing. This is really the first time this has come up since she was three months old. Yeah.

And I do find that really challenging, but more so what I find challenging, and I think that a lot of, probably a lot of dads will relate to this, maybe moms too, is the complete lack of logic. Is that there's no way to rationally get through anything. So if your child is upset about something or if you can't quite figure out what's going on with something or if you're just trying to get information

from your kid, from your young kid, the inability to do it the way you would with any other person in the world, I find really challenging. Yeah. Because I am, as you noted about my plane activities and elsewhere, like I am a very like forward moving,

clear stated kind of person and if i can't get that clarity and it's it's in direct contrast to the joy that hanging out with my kid provides right because when it's taken away it's like you've just she just can turn the tables like nobody else you know she really can just be like you thought this was a good time you're wrong here's why it's amazing how fast it happens. Yeah. Yeah. So I think at first I was going to agree with Pizza Dad. Yeah. And thank you for all your work, Pizza Dad. But it's not just the sleep thing.

It's more like, why is this the way that it is? And I'll never know. Well, there is no, I mean, they are irrational human beings. Like sometimes there actually like is no logic and they are often working like against their own best interest or logic in general. Sometimes literally.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. I mean sleep deprivation I'm sure by the time this goes out I mean some amazing voice memos are coming your guys way from my sleep deprivation. But like the broadly, the physicality. Yeah. And obviously-

We're a little older. I wonder if we were 28, if it would be different. Yeah. And I guess also a little bit, it's like I have just an incredibly active little kid, even on the span of all little kids don't sit still, but Knox is like the energizer bunny. Yeah. And so I remember the first six months being just very taken aback by the repetitive motion of leaning over and picking up and all those sorts of things and then trying to keep up

with them. And also, when they're up, they're up. So you're also just on all of the time. So that... I have a lot of respect and confusion as to people who have two, three, four, five kids.

I'm like, I generally don't know how. It's going to be really, really interesting how we... It's alarming that people do that. I'm excited about it. The other thing,

and this is smaller, and it's like, I was talking with Jack about this ahead of time. I mean, in general, one of the most difficult parts is like how fucking expensive everything is and i mean it's it's just it is so expensive um yes but um especially in a big city anywhere and like you know not to get back on my health care thing but like there's not enough support for like everybody and all of all of that stuff it's genuinely very hard but um this morning i was just like nox needs new pajamas the baby needs

some pajamas like do you guys know how much baby pajamas cost like bobby how much do you think a pair like one pair of pajamas for nox costs well i i overheard what you were talking about earlier so you heard it okay like 40 bucks like bucks. Like, what are we doing? Well, you're buying nice shit. No, not even. Like, I'm buying like the mid-tier. Like, I mean, that's true.

You're not buying Louis Vuitton, but you're buying nicer than I got this at Safeway. You know what I mean? Sure. You're not going to TJ Maxx, but you're not going to Prada. I honestly, we do,

we actually do wear a lot of Target pajamas and they're good and they can good and they can be like 20 bucks but even target is nicer than like walmart you know what i mean yeah i mean and that's true but i also like feel this way about adult underwear i'm like how why does underwear cost this much you know i just like been on that uniclo train for a long time i mean how but so how much does a pair of uniclo underwear cost? It's like five for 30, something like that.

Five for 40. Okay, so that's five to six dollars a pair. Pretty good deal. Okay, that's pretty good. Yeah. I guess women's- And they last. I'm paying like $12, but that's a lot.

I just, I don't know. Things cost a lot. Can't argue with that. It's insanely expensive. It's been eye-opening how expensive it is um and you know what it's all set up for you guys in gen z bob yeah congratulations we left we left it better than we found it so it's gonna be fine are we talking about we're talking about jack right no gen z your generation the generation

that you have represented as the avatar not familiar with their work jack is gen alpha i don't think that's true you got mad when i said that you guys both are so touchy about this okay what's next um next question comes from jason if you have a suboptimal real world interaction with the filmmaker does it negatively impact the way you view their work going forward or are you able to divorce yourself impact the way you view their work going forward? Or are you able to divorce yourself from the interaction and experience their art

on its own terms? I genuinely have not had a lot of negative real-world interactions with filmmakers. I have had unpleasant experiences on Mike

where people, I think, I won't name any names but some filmmakers have just been rude or weird when they've come on the show which

I know is like kind of funny actually that some people will just come on like I remember David Kapp in particular who is a screenwriter I really really like

and he directed a movie a horror film with Kevin Bacon and Amanda Seyfried that came out during COVID and he came on the show. And he's as accomplished as they come in terms of Hollywood screenwriters.

But I don't know if he had heard the show before or he just didn't like the cut of my jib or whatever. But he was just like, you know, you're not the hot shit you think you are, basically, in the conversation. And I sensed that. And he wasn't like directly aggressive. But he was kind of like, oh, yeah? Oh, yeah? It's the stuff I would say. And I think that's funny. and I sensed that and he wasn't like directly aggressive but he was kind of like oh yeah oh yeah

to stuff I would say and I think that's funny but I will never invite David Koepp back on the show you know what I mean like there's no upside

to having that conversation again and I like he's writing the UFO Steven Spielberg movie I'll probably love it right you know like I'm not

I don't I'm not going to carry that I'm not gonna carry that with me in my evaluation of his work for the rest of time but on the show I was like this is a weird posture to take during COVID when I'm talking about your small Blumhouse movie David Kapp like there's no reason I'm pretty nice to the filmmakers in the interview section it's not like when I'm talking to you and I'm just being a rude dick like right I'm pretty pretty convivial you're but you're more assessing it on just like a rude dick. Like, I'm pretty convivial. But you're more assessing it on just like a social experiment,

social experience than an artistic level. Yeah. I think it's a weird choice and a weird business choice. You're right. If you... Yeah. This is not a...

Unless it's... Maybe he listened to us and was like, oh, this is a throwdown podcast. So that's what I'm supposed to do. It's entirely possible. I really don't think that he did so that's what I'm supposed to do it's entirely possible I really don't think that he did I hope he has better things to do with his life

but it was COVID you know well he could have had the spare time do you remember this Bobby do you know what I'm talking about I don't recall that specific interview

I definitely relate to some interviews being markedly different feeling of people not really being down to just vibe out for 35 minutes and a few come to mind

that i will not name but i i think for the most part like i don't know i don't find myself in spaces where a filmmaker could or would even be a dick to me you know what i mean like it's just not a lot of opportunities for you to have an interaction that's long enough to even decide whether or not it was negative enough to change your opinion of their art so i don't know this question i mean it's a good question but yeah i mean i think i've had opportunities to be a lot closer to more proximate to people like this just in like the film festival world where you're kind of bunched together and so you're interacting with people that who don't know who you are you don't know who they are at certain times but um this is gonna sound pollyannish but like most people are

pretty nice like nobody is like very few people like at a film festival like get out of my way i'm a big fucking deal like that's kind of that era is over and if you are a person that is like that you're usually surrounded by 10 people and you would never be allowed to have an interaction like that there are some exceptions of course but for the most part, when I read the question, I was like, I thought more of what you were saying. Like four to five people who've come on the pod and just been dicks. Why are you here? Just don't do this. It's okay.

You can skip it. But I don't know. People have bad days. Who knows? Yeah. You don't want to reveal that actually like Alex Ross Perry is the worst hang of all time. No, but that's the best part about the show is getting to meet people like Alex and then become friends with them. I mean, I love that.

The best part of the interviewing, getting to know people that are interested in movies and care about movies as much as I do. Right. That's awesome. Alex knows everything about movies. He's a genius. So that stuff's been great. But he also can be kind of a dick in a fun way. That's the trick. Can you of a dick in a fun way. That's the trick.

Can you be a dick in a fun way? Not easy to pull off. This is true. We got a question here from Frankie. What is the last film that made you cry? Alternately, what is the film that made you cry the most? I forgot to prepare for this. Do you have an answer?

Yeah. Well, the last movie that made me cry was when we were doing the steve martin episode um i i was in fact pregnant and i allowed myself to re-watch the steve martin father of the bride and i think that should be a legally banned substance when you're pregnant um and then i mean it's it's, it's a wonderful film, but things got out of hand, shall we say? And then honestly, the film that has made me cry the most in my life, uh, is one I saw

Armageddon when I was 15 years old. Um, I just like that, that is actually factually true. I was 15 years old and I watched it and I like didn't recover for several days um that's very funny well I guess like I don't know I don't know what my answer would be for the made you cry the most I definitely I got really choked up at movies like the Lion King you know when I was 11 and I was like they've they did Mufasa like that yeah this is outrageous you know, when I was 11. Mm-hmm. And I was like, they did Mufasa like that? Yeah. This is outrageous.

You know, like I didn't know that they could take him away. Right. Meanwhile, your daughter's like, I don't care. Good riddance. No, she's like, Scar is the man. Incredible take from her. She rules. The movie this year that made me cry?

I don't think there have been any new releases that made me really... Horizon and American Saga Chapter 1? I was sobbing throughout the whole final act, which is actually still kind of like a prequel. I don't know. The complete incomprehensibility of it had me in tears. So, what happened with the Venice screening of Part 2? I never saw any footage from that he was doing some interviews but i never heard any like reviews was it not

screened for the press i don't know that's what i'm saying good question i don't know i liked how he very solemnly was like i believe i will complete chapters three and four. But everybody in the room is like, sir, you won't. It's tough. It's really tough. Love Kevin Costner. Is there a single movie this year that really had me? I mean, Sing Sing got me.

I don't know if I was crying. Yeah, but I was definitely emotionally affected. Yeah. Hundreds of Beavers? I forgot about that. I can't really find anything this year. Something will come along. The film that made me cry the most,

like without a doubt, not even close, is Coco. Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's sort of your Lion King. Yeah. Well, I also had the Lion King. Like I cried when I was,

you know, five when I saw the Lion King or whatever, but I didn't see Coco until I was like, I don't know, memorably an adult. the lion king like i cried when i was you know five when i saw the lion king or whatever but i didn't see coco until i was like i don't know memorably an adult like i worked at the ringer when i saw that for the first time really yeah and that got you good oh it got me really jack was nodding as well when you said that yeah um coco's a great movie i feel like it's too early to show that's my kid it's it's devastating absolutely devastating and also like maybe a little scary for her you know that's what i was thinking it's a little complex ideas of death that's a it's a long conversation although who knows you know she's on team scar so maybe

she's already thinking about it you know it's been hard as explaining halloween ideas to her yeah i also nox is not really getting the like both the concept of I could be this person for like one night only oh but then I meant more like how do you explain what a mummy is and then you have to go into like ancient Egyptian burial practices oh I'm like I thought she was really into mummies because when we went to the Halloween show there were no mummies and that was much like when we went to the living desert and there were no monkeys and And so Alice was just like thumbs down. Yes. She's taken to calling the cat that performed at the puppet show the cat mummy, even though there was no mummy component.

Oh, okay. Well, listen, as long as that's what she wanted. Kid loves mummies and scar. I don't know what to say. Nope. Very interesting person. Future B-movie film director. Those are bones

just one of the funniest things alice has ever said in her entire life about some what were they like hyenas eating a bunch of bones we went to a in palm springs the living desert which is kind of like an open air zoo you know like a more open terrain zoo and um there were hyenas and the man came around to feed the hyenas and he threw like ground lamb into the cage you know like just meat and because alice thinks that hyenas are dogs she was like those are bones like there were their dog bones that the dogs were getting. She was two when she said this. Weird kid.

I love her. Okay, what's next? Joel or Joelle? I apologize. Joel or Joelle. Any update on Sean's custom garage shelving conundrum? I believe last time we had a mailbag

or last time we did an episode with Tim, you talked about how you were running out of space or something of that sort I ran out of space so we're double stacking

right now which is just horrifying to me I mean like really nothing could be more painful but I don't have enough room so we're gonna tear down

my house we're gonna rebuild it and we're just gonna make an entire the whole house is gonna be a shelving unit. So I can fit all the media. My house, you haven't been over in a little while.

I haven't. You've done some renovating. Well, it's not. Some soft renovating. Some really like rearranging because we had to make room for the baby. Which involved asking my husband to confront the many boxes of junk or beloved t-shirts depending on your point of view hiding in various rooms in our home and then for both of us to confront all our books which is my version of your dvds and we like we have added a lot of shelving and i think we found some nice

options oh yeah so maybe off mic you can share. Yeah. I don't even know if the guy who does my custom stuff is still in business. But I don't really have any space. Like, literally, there's no open space on the walls. Right. So that's the thing. What am I going to do?

I don't live in a very big house. We tried to cull the books. And then I think we, between us, wound up picking, like, 12 to get rid of. You know? It's our own disease, but I'm with you. It's okay to like physical possessions. That's okay.

It means you have made a connection with the art. I re you know, I use the library. I reread the things. It's great. Thank you so much. I love books. What's next,

Robert, Lucy, tough one here. Do you rather never be able to watch a new movie ever again or never be able to listen to new music ever again and why this is not tough because we're over we're 40 and over so no new music okay this is going to come up again in the next uh question but um does this include podcasts i don't think so it's easily i, I would, I need movies. I need movies. Yeah, same. See, we have a robust 2,000 year history of music to fall back on.

This is true, but we have, I feel as though I am further behind on movies, the back catalog of movies, than I am on the back catalog of music. Do you know what I mean? I tend to agree, but I've also staked a significant portion of my livelihood on being able to podcast about new movies. Oh, that's true.

Yeah. Not when you switch to every single album, Sabrina Carpenter. Do you think Nora would invite me on to every single album? I think she would love

to have you. It's got to be movies here. New music. I don't... I mean, I liked the Charlie album and I appreciate the work of Sabrina Carpenter and Chapel Rhone, but it's fine.

You know, it's fine. What's next, Bob? Matt asks, Sean and Amanda, what are your three favorite cocktails? Matt would like you to leave out Negronis. I know I saw that. I already tipped my hand here. Yeah. Ryle fashioned. Yeah. Ryle-fashioned.

Yeah. Whistlepig would be nice if they got it. Gin Martini. Mm-hmm. Hendrix. Mm-hmm. With a twist.

Mm-hmm. What about just an old-fashioned margarita? Margarita is my number one once Negronis are off the table. And I'm like, I'm at the phase of pregnancy where it's like, you're going to drive me

from the hospital to like Chili's happy hour and I will get the margarita the size of my head. You know, like it needs to be in a glass that big. Did you have a hospital margarita? So I had a hospital margarita kit. Ruthie, Ruthie Barron, my wonderful sister-in-law, because this like this also happened last pregnancy, like at some point. And there was like a Mexican restaurant in our neighborhood that I would walk by all the time, like with the happy hour, you know, and the giant things. And I was like, that's all I want.

So Ruthie got me a margarita kit to take to the hospital with, um, she supplied tequila, the salt for the rim and like, honestly, a really good lime squeezer that we were, um, that now we just use all the, it's like the best citrus squeezer. Okay. And then I think Zach was supposed to supply the limes. Uh, I didn't actually end up making the margarita in the hospital. Okay. But I did like very soon after Knox.

Like once we figured out the schedule, like I had that 5 p.m. margarita within a couple weeks and it was really very exciting. So margarita is number one for me. Two? I'm looking forward to it. Is it cheat? It's Boulevardier.

Okay. Well, sorry. Just trying to get that Campari money. You know what? I really am trying to get that Campari money. I know, I get it. They sponsor film festivals and they could also sponsor me.

I am like absolutely the number one fan. You've proven yourself in this discussion to be eminently sponsorable. I think I am. Yeah. But that's okay. Definitely. You're going to get to go to so many.

Are they a sponsor of New York Film Festival this year? I'm not sure. That was a great party. Okay. Then number three. I'm not really a martini person. And aside from like a Boulevardier with the Campari to cancel I'm not like a huge brown liquor person so I'm like a vodka tonic I mean that that's sort of like a

what about a caipirinha I sure but I was gonna go more towards like an Aperol Spritz situation. Okay. Is that a cocktail? I mean, it has liquor in it. Yeah, Aperol is so light. I don't know. Bobby, verdict? Would you like... Does that qualify? Aperol Spritz? I think a cocktail technically has to have three ingredients.

So if you add the soda water, I suppose it counts. Three alcoholic ingredients or three ingredients? What's that? Three alcoholic ingredients or three ingredients? Fine. French 75. what's that three alcoholic ingredients or three ingredients fine french 75 what's that um i think is that gin champagne and and lemon it's a new orleans thing and when zach and i went to new orleans we went to the place where they make the french 75s and they're very good and he makes them every once in a while. Great. Great recommendation. Okay, Wags, let's do like two or three more.

Well, we got a great question here from Bong Legs. Thank you, Bong Legs. Bong Legs. Who gets strokes when CR and Sean play golf? The people need to know. So can you explain what that means? Yeah, I mean, when when you golf there are people who have varying levels of skill and in order to make when we play for example when i play with your husband and maybe jeff chow or dan riley or any number of our friends we play with on a regular basis

some of us are better than others and so to have games where two people play against another twosome, you've got to have strokes to account for the differentiation in skill. I would say I don't ever get strokes. That's what I'll say. Okay. I'm not, I don't get, it doesn't mean I'm the best player because I'm not. But I am, I would say I am the absolute median.

I am like the mean, the average player. I'm the kind of person who shoots like 91 on a golf course. And I have like three really cool shots, three of the worst shots you've ever seen in your life. And then everything else is fine. Do you, when you play with my friends,

Katie and Becky, who are like my best friends and the best golfers that I personally know, do you get strokes? Because they're better than you. They definitively are better than me. No question about it.

I don't think so. They won't listen to this to hear that. But in fairness, we play from different tees. Oh, okay. All right. So I think given that,

that kind of... Okay, fair enough. That accounts for it. I don't... Chris, I don't want to say. Chris can say what... Chris can talk about his golf game on his podcast.

I try not to know anything about what happens when they play golf. So I'm not really able to answer this except to say... Like what I know about is when you guys

almost get into a fight with other people on the golf course. Yeah, I think a lot of this is very overstated. It's happened like three times. One time it actually almost really happened. The other two times it wasn't real. Um,

I'm a normal man with normal feelings and that's it. What's next? You want to answer these myriad questions about podcast recommendations? Um, whatever, whatever, whatever you want to talk about I can do

I you know I don't listen to a lot of movie pods that are not our shows with the exception of Blank Check um

and that's nothing against any of how did this get made what Paul and um and Manzoukas' show um

I listen on Spooled because Amy is part of the extended family. That's pretty much it as far as movie pods go. I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful movie podcasts out there but

unfortunately part of my job is listening to the North of 55 podcast we have at the Ringer Podcast Network so I just don't have a ton of time for it. Alright we got a wacky one here.

This one comes from Brian. Would you rather fight one horse sized duck or 100 duck sized horses? I need you to read that again. Would you rather fight one horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses? I need you to read that again. Would you rather fight one horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses? I mean, this is really hard. No, it's so easy.

We have a long history on this show of maybe talking crazy about fighting animals. Ducks are mean. They're birds. They're such flawed creatures. What are they gonna do? They don't have fucking hands. What are you gonna do to me, duck? Give me a horse-sized duck. Eight days a week. I'll fucking knock his teeth out.

I'll knock that bill right off. What are you gonna do? You're a duck. You're gonna flap your wings at me? No! Fuck that duck. I'm taking that duck down a peg i mean i know like i like i'm in like really treacherous territory here on like a number of levels because i'm still living down the kangaroo incident right exactly yeah you were like i can knock that kangaroo out i know i didn't really i nobody're fierce beasts, apparently.

They're killers. Yeah. Protecting their joey. But so are ducks. Okay. Listen, I don't want to encounter any bird in the wild ever. And we've been really clear about this. And we talked about the peacocks.

And you sent me an Instagram about just like a peacock. There were wild peacocks in our neighborhood for many years. I think they've migrated slightly south, which I feel good about. Listen, fuck that. And they're just, they're like, they're gross turkeys. And then they're trying to spread the things at you. I really, I really, really, really, really don't like interacting with birds. So there's that. And then it's giant sized. And you do have to wonder in that case, like, does the supersizing

affect its balance and general biological structure? And does that make it more or less powerful? I'll just slash the ankles of that giant duck. Then what are you going to do?

Duck? I do think that's the right answer. That's what I thought you said. I mean, it probably like is one duck because like horses are also powerful. Yes. And a hundred of them, you know. I'll be honest.

I met some like mini donkeys recently. And like that was also an alarming experience. Anytime something is smaller than it should be. It's a real, it is challenging. But they were like so mean, you know. And I was like, and there's only four of them. Do you think it was

because of the audience or what was the issue? So a hundred, even if like they're this big, you know, and horses are smart. Really?

I think so. Okay. Yeah, they're regal, noble creatures. You would know the answer to this if you had watched Spirit Stallion of the Cimarron, which you so disrespectfully disregarded.

So I guess I have to pick. Trying to score points with Gen Z again over here. I have to pick the giant duck. But like, I don't feel good about this. So you're going with. One giant duck. No, I'm going with one giant duck, but I'm scared. Get out of here, duck.

Get that duck out of here. I literally can't do better than that. That's it. There's not a better question than that to end on. Okay. All right. Well, as usual, I'm really good at making up ideas for this show. I just feel like this is some of our best work.

Probably the last episode you'll ever hear of show i have the duck bureau after us um any closing what do you feel like you what are your takeaways from this podcast what did you learn i've wasted my life i've created a mountain of nonsense and i scale it every day okay um no i i feel good feel like we got a good thing going I'm gonna miss you you know I think it's all going well no I will text you daily all right I'll miss this yeah but it'll be back I will too I tell you wherever you are in the world right now hey we had one question that we didn't get to and it's fine because I didn't have that many answers but people asked for fall recommendations.

And if you're somewhere right now where you can get an apple cider donut, can you drive somewhere and get one and just like think of me? You know? Why won't you be able to have any? Well, LA is not sourcing up the apple cider donuts properly. I legitimately thought about being like, because you will be in New York in October. October And I'm like can you bring me home some apple cider donuts I don't think those are going to keep Right and I you know there were several issues Including like would you actually do it

And the answer is like probably not But I'll put it in the mail for you Yeah but then by the time they Get here you know You need like the out of the fryer experience I'll send it on that duck when I kick his ass. What I'm doing right now in this moment while you guys are listening to the podcast is not as fun as eating a donut or fighting a duck. So figure out one of those two things.

What was that duck thinking? That he could come into my house and try to take what's mine? Here's the thing is that the duck is like center of gravity is so like bottom forward. All he has to do is like one shot at your knees and you are fucking out. Yeah. Like you are down instantly.

Yeah, let's see him try. And then he just pecks you to death. No, not in this tower of pain. Yeah. You can't touch me, duck. You fucking animal. You're gonna fold. Okay.

My laptops are running out of juice. I'd like to thank Jack Sanders for his work out of juice. I'd like to thank Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. I'd like to thank Bobby Wagner, who's the producer of this, the final episode of this podcast, The Big Picture. Thank you to the listeners.

Well, we're inching ever closer to the election. We'll see you soon