The Big Picture - Netflix’s Big Movie Year, ‘Jackass Forever,’ and the Five Greatest ‘Jackass’ Stunts of All Time

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

Chris Ryan joins Sean to break down the new trailer for Netflix’s 2022 movie lineup (1:00), and then celebrate the new movie ‘Jackass Forever’ (14:00) and the greatest stunts in the history of the franchise (36:00). Host: Sean Fennessey Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Watch is the latest and the greatest in pop culture from best friends Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald. Join them as they discuss TV, movies, music, and much more. Check out The Watch on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Sean Fantasy. Welcome to Jackass. Wait, that's not right. I'm Sean Fantasy and this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about Jackass. Jackass Forever is in theaters this weekend. Chris Ryan is here with me to talk about all things Jackass, one of our absolute favorite things in the world. CR, how are you? I'm good. You do such thorough intros that I was very relieved to hear that you weren't like,

and then stay tuned later in the hour for my conversation with Pedro Almodovar because I feel like I always get brought on to talk about the most debased stuff and it's like Chris is going to talk about dudes electroshocking their taints for 40 minutes and then I'm going to talk to like this Joachim von treer uh i almost had a jackass moment it almost just spit coffee all over my keyboard so we're off to a rollicking start here on the jackass podcast but cr you know before we get into to jackass the new movie in the series and our favorite stunts in the film we'll talk about all that stuff let's talk about netflix because netflix obviously dominates your life on the watch my life here on the big picture they are at the center of movie and television culture all of the time and um their their movie choices their movie strategy has come under much speculation over the last few years they're in a couple of awards races

at the moment and they did something that i think was modernized by hbo when you would get the teaser for what was coming in hbo circa i don't know 2001 2001, 2002. I feel like in the Sopranos era when they started doing more original programming and they would buttress the original programming with the new movie premieres that they were going to have. And it'd be like, HBO, welcome to the party, 2002. And now Netflix has adopted this strategy over the last few years and they do it specifically with movies. And so they rolled out this trailer and it features highlights from some of the biggest movies of the year that Netflix is going to be premiering across their service. Chief among them, Spiderhead, which, you know, that the name has changed.

It seems like it has been shortened simply to Spiderhead. Yes, from Escape from Spiderhead. Right. And I just wanted to check in with you, not just about this trailer, but about Spiderhead in particular. How are you feeling? We here at the Institute for Spiderhead Studies can verify that this is the first footage we've seen from Spiderhead, aka Escape from Spiderhead in particular. How are you feeling? We here at the Institute for Spiderhead Studies can verify that this is the first footage we've seen

from Spiderhead, aka Escape from Spiderhead. So we speculated a bit in the soon-to-be-released 2022 movie auction about whether or not, in fact, Spiderhead was a real film. We're ready now to make,

as a group, a statement that it is a real film. Okay, it exists. Yeah. It looks it exists. Yeah. It looks pretty cool. For like the 10 seconds that they showed of it, the five seconds they showed of it. It's funny to hear you talk about the HBO thing.

You're definitely right that, I mean, Netflix is almost like, this stuff kind of almost reminds me of, like when you're watching Turner Classic and they're showing That's Entertainment. And it's just like, the great films of Metro Golden Mayor and like all the stars are like Elizabeth Taylor walks on set because they have all

of these footage from the films themselves and then Jennifer Lopez, Ryan Gosling, Jason Momoa just being like this is where movies come to play here and you're like that's a shot from this film. Like the Russo brothers did that.

It's a pretty big testament to their market power and their ability to work with talent that they've got like people who probably don't get out of bed for a certain fee, you know, doing like in-house advertising for a streaming service that is decapitating the movie business. I've never seen anything quite so streamlined as this marketing campaign, where it's not just the

Jason Momoa types who you think would be pretty game for things like this, or Kerry Washington, or even Charlize Theron. Ryan Gosling, who has not made a film, I believe, in five years. He made First Man, and then he peaced out. So he's back in a new film called The Greyman, which is directed by the Russos. Is that correct? Which also co-stars Chris Evans and is a big return for the Russos after Endgame

and I guess Cherry. And Ryan Gosling, who famously somewhat media-averse, does not do a lot of advertisements. He's not a shill, I would say. He's shilling for the gray man, this new action thriller from the Russos and reading scripted dialogue penned by the Netflix marketing team, I suppose.

I guess, man. Things are different in the world of stardom. He's in the pocket of big to dumb. I guess you're right. I mean, what other highlights, what jumped out to you? Because my one struggle with the Netflix films in general,

and there are exceptions, The Power of the Dog, The Irishman, et cetera, but they all kind of look like the same flat surface. That's exactly what I was going to say is, did you notice that all of those movies had the exact same color scheme, like cinematography? Like when they were cutting from the Jamie Foxx movie to the Lindsay Lohan Christmas movie to the Russo Brothers movie. It all had the same feel, right? Yeah. It's this kind of like gray blue palette on every movie. I guess there are a couple of exceptions. There were some animated films here, but everything feels kind of ultra real. Like it's happening on the soundstage of someone who's kind of tripping balls, you know,

like it's not, nothing tactile nothing feels lived and this is a problem for i think a lot of the films on streaming services in general because of the way that our televisions look and the way that our computer screens look and it's so it's not necessarily the fault of the filmmakers but there is a kind of house style that i find a little bit unnerving so it's a little difficult even to maybe it's me because like i had like a blue light like i have my blue light off on my computer so that it doesn't hurt my eyes to stare at it for a while. But it really did seem like, did one cinematographer do all of this? It does feel that way a little bit. Did any films jump out to you as something that you

are authentically excited about? I'm legitimately looking forward to Greyman, which looked pretty cool. I thought that was a cool mustache on chris evans spider head obviously what's the mother about what's what's this jennifer lopez movie about i don't know i thought it was notable that there was a film called the mother and also a film called the mother ship which stars i believe hallie berry um so that's going to be slightly confusing the logline for the mother is while fleeing from dangerous assailants an assassin comes out of hiding to protect her daughter she left earlier in life. This is actually based on a true story

based on my wife. So that's exciting. That is actually very close to a pretty choppy Netflix series that's on right now called In From The Cold, which is just basically like a figure skating mom remembers that she's a Russian spy and assassin.

I think a lot of these movies feel a bit like the kinds of movies you would see in a movie about a movie star who's made a lot of movies. These all seem like they were parodied in Tropic Thunder. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe that's just the process of films being released directly to streaming services and feeling somewhat less special. Or maybe it's just this sort of like mashup of famous people style filmmaking, the red notices of the world, where it's just like, let's just put Chris Evans

and Ryan Gosling together and just see what happens. You know, we got one guy's Captain America. The other guy is from Only God Forgives. You know, we'll make something special, blend it together. When are we doing the only God forgives pod just name the day I feel like we should do a five hour place beyond the pines only if God forgives

double feature podcast the crying pod we do like a live rewatch of them both at the same time like Bill when he watches football

on four screens but for all the Nick Reffin works that sounds like it'd be really good i i guess i want to see these movies a couple of the animated movies i care about i know you don't care about them but guillermo del toro has a pinocchio movie coming out i mentioned wendell and wild which is henry selleck the great stop-motion animator who made this movie with kean peel so that's pretty exciting that's cool um the day shift is that jamie fox fights vampires

when he's pretending to be a pool cleaner i think this is the log line uh yep yep that's also based on my memoir which i'm excited about uh we talked about the adam project on an upcoming podcast which i do not want to spoil for people but let it be known that we will be discussing at length a ryan reynolds project um ryan reynolds is here in a couple of films the The big tease, I think, the capper, the thunderclap moment, is Knives Out 2. Ryan Gosling's sequel

to Knives Out, which has a star-studded cast, once again, that includes, among other people, who's in this? Dakota Johnson is in this movie. Katherine Hahn is in this movie. Kate Hudson.

Who isn't in this movie? Ethan Hawke. Ethan Hawke. Looks fine. We saw eight seconds of it. People getting on a yacht. That was pretty much it. 300 million well spent.

Yeah. It's really hard to get excited about this stuff when they show you four seconds. What am I looking at? A guy with a mustache? I mean, this is... I know that Netflix's

film department does a much different job promoting their movies than their TV department does. And their TV department is obviously very successful. But I still like, there are still Netflix shows where you're just like, oh, I didn't know this was coming back at all.

Like, I didn't know this was coming back at all. I remember like driving down the street one day and it was just like Mindhunters back in six days. That's my favorite show on television. Not like writing Netflix. Like I am maybe like your biggest proponent of this show. I feel like you and Andy have talked about this a lot on The Watch over the years.

But as a person who tries to keep, I try to watch somewhere between 20 and 30 series a year. I'm not aiming for that number necessarily, but I was looking back at kind of what I've watched over the years. And that's basically where I hit. Four or five reality shows, you know, The Survivors, The Top Chefs,

the shows, the competition shows that I like. And then probably 10 or 12 miniseries and then 10 or 12 ongoing shows that I like. And I just, I looked at my Apple TV this morning and I use the Apple TV sort of home screen now to show me like what shows I've been keeping up with. Like what you're currently watching. Yeah. Now that obviously doesn't account for Netflix and a handful of other services that you can't use that on, but there were seven shows right now that I was like, Oh, I'm in the middle of vigil on your recommendation. I'm on the, I'm in the middle of euphoria. Obviously I'm in the middle of, uh, I'm trying to catch up with only murders in the building. Cause I feel like they're

going to announce that Steve Martin, Martin short and Selena Gomez are the host of the Oscars at some point. And so I'm like, I want to be up to date on that. So I get all the references like, and, uh, that would be funny if the Oscars were like, we got these people that are going to be making deep only murders in the building episode six references. I just want to, I want to know all the texts to the state of cinema. That would be really challenging. But I thought that that was not a terrible idea in terms of fusing the old and the new for the hosts. Um, are you, you as someone who was watching way more TV than I am, are you choked out right now? I think that I am feeling a little bit underwater right now. Like, so we came out of the end of last year, which I thought was incredibly strong finish of the year with

Succession and Station Eleven. And then I started this year with Ozark. So I feel like I knocked out a couple of like very dearly beloved shows. now i'm like you know for every vigil there's three shows where you start them and you're like this sucks you know and and i and sometimes it sucks because you're like it's not for me and sometimes it sucks because you're like this is just never should have this should not have been uploaded to the server uh i was wondering we don't really have to get too far into it i'm probably going to talk about on the watch anyway but did you watch boba fett i. I just completed the episode, and I thought it was great.

I have no idea what it has to do with Boba Fett whatsoever. It definitely felt more like an episode of an animated Star Wars TV show, but that's cool. I'm good with that. Cad Bane, I'm all about that. Whoever that is, that guy seems cool. He seems sick.

I was like, is this basically a stand-in for Lee Van cleef because if he is i'm into that being in star wars um yeah i thought it was cool i don't really know i don't have the same relationship to that stuff that i used to um and i don't have any emotional it doesn't have the same emotional resonance for me like when after rogue one when i had to swaddle you like a baby and just coo into your ear that everything was going to be all alright because all your dreams came true and you didn't know how to go on living and we get to now and you're like, that's cool. Genuinely, yes. I think actually

you could pinpoint, and I liked The Last Jedi quite a bit, but you could pinpoint the Vader moment at the end of Rogue One as the last time that gave me chills. So I will never feel that way again. I think that show is fun. I like that those shows are also not that long. that there are six or seven episodes and then I'm able to move on with my life it's more like when I look at a show that has 10 episodes

and every episode is 68 minutes and I'm like yes I'm dying slowly uh and I have to accept that fact there's some cool stuff coming winning time looks good uh pachinko looks really good on apple I'm interested to see severance which is another apple Apple show. It's Ben Stiller directing. There's some cool stuff coming. Russian Doll is coming back, which I'm very excited for. I am excited for that too. I love the first season of Russian Doll.

Okay, so we've talked enough about TV. We have to talk about cinema, Chris. Look at me, a usurper. Well, here's the thing. Actually, Jackass is the ultimate success story, which started as a television show. Actually, it started, frankly, as a magazine article. Well, Jackass is the ultimate success story, which started as a television show. Actually,

it started, frankly, as a magazine article. Well, it started as like a skateboarding video. And then as a skateboarding tape.

Yeah. And then as this TV series on MTV, and now is, frankly, the most dependable intellectual property in all of Hollywood.

I've never been disappointed by a Jackass movie and I was not disappointed by Jackass forever one bit. Let's talk about our relationship to the franchise historically. So the show aired on MTV between 2000 and 2002. You know, well known that it was co-created and sort of shepherded by Jeff Tremaine, who was an editor at Big Brother Skate Magazine in the 2000s and the late 90s, and also Spike Jonze, his friend, and a skate video filmmaker, soon-to-be music video director,

soon-to-be genius director in his own right of feature films. And Johnny Knoxville became sort of the mascot star leading man very early on in the process, a guy who had been trying to get into Hollywood and commercials and and tv and film and found his way in by basically testing self-defense items on himself he shot himself with a weapon um and impressed the guys who were editing the skate magazine which led to the creation of this series obviously many other folks came on board over time there's a stable of about 10 or 11 guys who consistently damaged their own bodies on film for us.

Were you a watcher of the TV show? Oh, yeah. I mean, it was a sensation. I mean, in that same way that all MTV programming around that time was never like at 8 p.m. the new episode is on. It was more like they're showing seven jackasses tonight from midnight to 2 a.m. And I'm just going to sit here in a stupor and watch them and alternately cry and get a little nauseous and then eventually fall asleep. So I was a big fan of the TV show.

And like you, it's hard to intellectualize this. My relationship to this is that nothing has made me consistently laugh harder over the last 20 years, probably with this, maybe the exception of Will Ferrell than Jackass. So it's a pretty amazing accomplishment. A, that these guys are just alive, but B, that they've never slipped.

I think when you and I, it feels closest to the conversations that you and I have had about horror movies. And not insofar as that I'm scared for the jackass guys, though sometimes I am scared for them, honestly. I feel like this incredible tension. But just that to feel something so deeply, to feel the laughter, to feel the fear, the pain that those guys are going through, it's hard to accomplish that. It's hard to pull that off with a couple of calloused, hardened men like us, you know, to make us invested in these people over this period of time.

The show has been really remarkably successful at that. And also many people have pointed this out over the years. This is far from an original insight, but it really does kind of foretell where a lot of our culture is going. The idea of capturing yourself on screen and putting yourself in a dangerous situation or a hilarious situation to get attention. Obviously, social media, this predates all social media and a lot of what you'll find on TikTok now, on Instagram, previously on Vine. I think Vine especially had a kind of post-jackass life that grew really strong. This invented a lot of forms of comedy, a lot of forms of stunt work, a lot of forms of brand building. It's kind of amazing.

Also created a ton of parasocial relationships that I think, obviously, we've talked about a lot over the last couple of years. Maybe not in this podcast, but generally speaking, I think that that's become a phenomenon where people feel like they know the people that they're watching and that those people are somehow in their lives. And one of the reasons for that is that when you watch Jackass, I think you pointed this out in a tweet the other day, is like you are watching friends. And so you're watching friends crack each other up. It's almost that's the attraction rather than the stunt.

Because I think you can have different tastes in stunts, but the guys doing them are always the same. And they're always like, it's always amazing just to look at the nuances of their reactions before during and after any given stunt that you kind of have like this sort of feeling of like oh i know steve-o really gets scared when knoxville does the bull stuff you know like and it and it's actually like pretty gripping to watch somebody like steve-o has no regard for his own personal safety get like

super nervous about one specific thing and he's like had alligators eat steak out of his underwear but it's like it seems really like like like anxious when when noxil's in a bullring so there's that there's that attachment to those these guys's personalities you're absolutely right that it like forecasts you know so much of like if you go on YouTube now, most of the most popular stuff is A, we're like me and my crew of friends, and B, sick stunt prank challenge that we pulled off. And that is... Maybe Jackass didn't originate it, but they certainly popularized it. Yeah. The thing that's fascinating about it too, is that the show really only lasted for three seasons. It very quickly hit this moral outrage center where Senator Joe Lieberman was rallying MTV to close the show down. Sorry, Bob, this is a stray shot for you there.

It became like a political football pretty quickly. And the guys who were running the show had to be managed by an osha representative to make sure that people were not being hurt and very quickly it became clear that the show was not going to be sustainable for the long term and very savvily someone at paramount the parent company at the time of or one of the parent companies at the time of mtv said this should be a movie and the way to kind of keep this thing alive is to make it a movie. Now, it's a little bit forgotten to time, but Jackass is a pretty rich franchise. There have been seven series that have been spun off from the show. This is the fifth movie, kind of officially, unofficially.

There was a Jackass video game. This was a huge thing in our culture for a long time. I think it's pretty bracing to watch this one, to watch Jackass forever, because without putting too fine a point on it like dudes just looked like the guys in jackass in 2002 like they just dressed like johnny knoxville like guys wore thrift store t-shirts and had sweatbands and like wore funky belt buckles and were like that was a very big hipster look for a while and now to get to this

point where johnny knoxville Johnny Knoxville is almost approaching this Tom Waits era is pretty like, wow, you're really watching your life flash before your eyes. But you're right. Huge franchise. There's all the movies. Then there's the.5 movies that they do in between

that are usually behind-the-scenes footage or whatever. There was all those spinoffs like the Viva La Bam and Unholy Union, all the Bam Margera stuff. So yeah, I mean, it's an industry, but in a weird way, the mothership movies are like these markers on the passing of time and yet they are timeless.

That is one of the things that I love about the films is you can see even in these short intervals, like the period of time between one and two is not very long, but things change. And you can tell because Steve always talked about how he was really in the grips of addiction during the filming of Jackass number two. And there is a kind of chaos in that movie. That movie is kind of scary. Like I would say Jackass three, I find to be the funniest of the three. Sure.

But Jackass two, it feels dangerous at times with some of the stunts that they're doing. And these guys seem really off the rails. Jackass 3 is more like, we kind of have to get our money right here. This might be the last time we can really do this. Let's up our production value. Let's kind of get everybody's shit together.

I think a lot of the guys were sober at that time. No, not all of them. And Jackass forever feels like, I don't know about a denouement but it feels like a passing of the torch they introduce all these new characters but for you like what makes a jackass movie great what are the things that what are the hallmarks like what are the the parts of it that i like like what what kind of jackass things well i i guess it's not surprising given my taste in horror movies but like it's the ones that like feel like where real danger

is in play you know like maybe not death though that certainly is probably the worst case scenario but the ones where you can detect like actual fear on the faces of the people who are about to do it and i don't know why that seems so uh attractive to me i i i also, you know, the like farting into a bowl and making a guy put it on his head stuff is like fine, but I'm also just like, it's really more either like interactive, like the office stuff, like the little like pranks they pull on one another or the ones where it's like, yeah, like we're not 100% sure this is going to not result in Knoxville dying. What do you think about forgive the potential pretension of this question but like the actual filmmaking like the way that they make these

movies because i find that these movies look much better and increasingly better over time than what you would imagine a jackass movie looks like i i wish i knew what like what was different about jeff termini and lance bangs ands and Spike Jones from almost anybody else who films their friends falling off of the garage roof. But they're just really good filmmakers. They always seem to be in the right spot. They always seem to have the right footage. They always seem to have the 4K slow-mo footage of a guy getting nuked just at the exact right time. And I also really love how those guys

have become characters themselves. Spike's not so much in the films. Usually it's Jeff and Lance who are like a little bit more on camera. But yeah, like- Often Lance vomiting on camera, yes. Yes, which is, and it never ceases to crack me up just imagining Lance going home to Corin Tucker

from Sleater-Kinney at the end of the day and be like, what did you do, honey? And it's just like, I barfed in an N95 mask while a guy, you know. Yeah, while a guy had his dick assaulted by a snake. What do you think? I mean, is there a secret filmmaking sauce to this? I don't know. I mean, I was not a skate kid. I feel like you were more of a skate kid than I was. And I feel like when you're a skate kid- It's adjacent. More music than I was actual skating, but like culture around it. And then a lot of the skate videos that like Transworld and Big Brother videos and stuff had basically all the music we liked on them. So

they would sometimes just be on in people's houses and I'd be like, oh my God, it's like all the funky Homo sapien into Dinosaur Jr. into a Pantera song, you know? Yeah. I mean, I want to talk about the music a little bit too because i feel like that's an underrated part of some of these movies but i feel like the filmmaking style of a lot of good skate videos especially from the 90s is just like let's just see if we can put the camera in the craziest place possible like we want to capture everything i did that spike was like i'm gonna skate with this with this and he he may not have invented this or anything but like a lot of the early beastie boys videos are just direct extensions of spike jones being like i'm gonna do

steadicam on a skateboard which in and of itself is just an extension of like early coen brothers stuff where they were like well why don't we just like nail this camera down to a two by four and swing it across the room i mean like the you know necessity is the mother of invention stuff is really cool with these guys that's exactly the word I was thinking of. It just feels like they are more inventive. And they're more inventive even with the sort of dumbest possible stunt you can pull off. There's still something amusing. In this new movie, the big opening set piece, and there is always an opening set piece to all of the Jackass films, is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in my life. chris ponius

dick is involved i won't spoil it for you except to say that it is an ode to monster movies um and it's just like this is some this is a 30 million dollar movie being distributed widely by one of the five standing movie studios and it's just the people who gave us raiders of the lost ark godzilla semen is a factor in this yeah in this movie so a lot of semen in this a lot a lot of semen a lot a lot of um a lot of genitalia as always we'll get to that in a minute um i was wondering if you think that there's like anything that we can compare jackass yeah, so I know that there is a temptation to just be like, are these guys the inheritors of Buster Keaton?

Right, right. Or something. Is there a kind of core physical comedy that these guys understand and how screen comedy should work? And I'm totally open to that as a possibility, but it does not speak to my like lived experience while watching Jackass is not like,

oh, what a creative way to show the cat and mouse. Like, no, it's just like, there's something that's almost like psychedelic about going into one of these situations where it's just like, from the second this starts to the second it ends, you're basically in a state of laughter and sometimes complete like howling uncontrollable

cackling so that really is like laughter is like kind of a drug in that situation where you're just like i'm just like i and it would be amazing like we would be watching this movie i was sitting right next to you and then like the stunt would end and you would just hear people like just cacophonous laughter continuing on into the next scene it's an amazing thing i think you're i think it's probably wise to resist reaching for those comparisons yeah like is it a study of masculinity over the last 20 years like sure yeah i mean i think it's not unreasonable to like look at interviews with the cast members and kind of parse some of the complicated aspects of their personalities and read into some of those things

the actual show films and stunts are often so stupid and simplistic it's just like Johnny Knoxville will climb on a rocket and the rocket will be shot into a lake the thing is that Buster Keaton there was no design there

no it's us at 12 being like I dare you to jump off the roof. Yes. And somewhere in our brains, one of us would be like, no, we actually shouldn't do this. And then it's like, well, what if we did? And then what if we filmed it? And what if we did like even crazier versions of it? And that to me is still funny and still amazing. Like the dumbest stunts that they do where it's like, you know, there's a couple of like, I don't want to spoil the stunts,

but they're like some that are just like really basic, like just above them, like a BMX stunt where they're just like, let's get a bunch of bodies instead of a ramp. You know what I mean?

Like that's incredible stuff. Yeah. It's also, it's incredibly stupid. One of the things I'm grateful for in my long friendship with you is that we don't have a rough housing physicality in our friendship. No nut shots between us.

You know what I mean? But I do have friends with whom I have that kind of a relationship. And these 51-year-old men in Jackass Forever are like, you know what would be really funny? If I just punched my friend in the nuts. Well, what's the one that opens with them in the shopping cart, the giant shopping cart? Is that two? I believe that's two.

Yeah. And that's the one where like bam and done or like punching each other in the face as the cart is going. Like, yeah, no, I think that's actually one. I think that's the first film.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they have like a, you know, they have, they're juvenile and that's okay.

I think that's ultimately what we're trying to get to is that there's something ridiculous and goofy about what they do, but it feels somehow earned. Now, it's not without controversies and complications. It's probably notable before we start getting into this movie. A few years back,

Ryan Dunn, who was a longtime cast member, passed away in a drunk driving accident. And the film is dedicated to him. Bam Margera is not in this film. There's reports that he has been struggling with addiction. There is a restraining order

against him and he was fired by Paramount from this film. So he is not a part of this. You know, Bam and Ryan are a big part of the first three films. Huge.

They did CKY which was like a big backbone of like basically building out Jackass. Yeah. And they're not necessarily from the same, the sort of LA contingent there. They were East coasters.

They were Pennsylvania guys. They were Westchester. Yeah. Outside of Philly. And there, I always found that their brand of stunt and their sort of personas was slightly different. There was kind of like a metal.

Yeah. It was a little more rage behind a lot of the work that they did. And there was like a bam's parents were always at the center of a lot of the the stunts that they did whereas the knoxville steve-o chris ponnius that crew was a little bit more skateboarder a little bit more like yeah dip shit like like those guys who were just like sure you can shoot me out of like a cannon that's fine right so the the movie i think with the absence of of bam and and of course the absence of done it has a slightly different feel and one of the things that they do i think to bolster and i think frankly make this movie feel more legible to modern audiences is they add new cast members

there's a bunch of new young people um one of whom may be familiar actually to readers of the ringer dot com um a few years back that we ran a great profile uh of zach holmes who's also known as zach ass who's this very big fellow who gives preston lacy the cast member a run for his money in terms of girth um and then jasper dolphin he of odd future um a grown man named poopies who was uh really feels like he's taking on skater right he's a skater it feels like he's taking on dave england and aaron mcgahey's kind of like title of who can be tortured the most uh in the series rachel wolfson is a stand-up comedian she's the first woman notably in the

jackass series i just want to say you know i was reading alan siegel has a great piece about this movie on the ringer and he mentions the rachel Wolfson inclusion and she's great in this and in a way almost too good at jackass because as a Knoxville I think told uh Alan or at least is quoted in the piece like she actually just doesn't seem scared by anything and is just like it's almost like it's like watching a Jeopardy champion who wins like 37 times in a row you're like I guess this isn't really a game show if you're just going to win every time. Yeah, there's something fascinating about all of the new inclusions in that fear that you were talking about when Steve-O is terrified for Knoxville, for example. We don't feel that with Rachel, say, when she has an encounter with a scorpion in the film.

She's kind of like, let's just do this. It's almost like a this is good for content thing. It's not. I liked it and it works but i feel like a new generation of people have trained themselves that it's just like this is what's good for the biz you know what i mean this is how we do jackass and we all have to do it otherwise we're not doing our jobs when jack has started it was like no one would ever like this isn't like a job this isn't like a professional career path and now it is it's kind of fascinating um let's talk a little bit about about the core cast about the the og guys um knoxville's in his 50s steve-o i think

steve was in his late 40s ponies is in his late 40s he looks tremendous he's always been the the uh the most fortified i would say all of him looks tremendous um truly we see him in full we frankly we see every cast member i think besides knoxville in full bloom in this movie um for better and worse and uh i was nervous for the guys in a different way this time i i you know i don't want to spoil some of the stunts i i accept to say that there is a bull stunt in this movie that is very similar to a bull stunt i believe in jackass 2 which is one of the craziest stunts of all time. And I believe in Jackass 2, number two. Knoxville, in what is one of the interstitial moments in the movie, and all the movies have this.

There's some kind of big center set pieces. And then there are these almost like 30 second moments where they quickly move on. Knoxville walks into the middle of a bull ring and he puts on a blindfold. He's got a red plaid move on. Knoxville walks into the middle of a bull ring and he puts on a blindfold. He's got a red plaid shirt on. And a cigarette. And he lights a cigarette. And like three seconds later

a bull just charges him and flips him over. And I'm like, I don't even know what this, what was this? What was this an homage to? Was this like a political act? Like what was the point of this bit?

And it's clear that he is just violently traumatized by this bull and and there's a kind of sequel to this stunt in the film and it clearly was very very dangerous and and knoxville incurred a brain hemorrhage which has been reported and talked about and maybe probably could signal the end of knoxville doing this kind of thing for a living yeah so the the this new cast i I think, is with an eye towards like, well, maybe there could be another version of Jackass after us and keep the brand going. And maybe those guys could come back through and sort of be like wise overlords of it or like supervisory's talent, but not necessarily put themselves in harm's way. That bull thing that

you're talking about with Knoxville is one of the craziest things I've ever seen, both the earlier one with the cigarette and the one that happens in this movie. And yeah, he's been pretty open about the fact that he got really, really, really injured on this one. So does it ever make you queasy when you're watching this kind of stuff, whether you know the result or not, where you're like, am I watching essentially a snuff film? It does. Because I think my favorite thing about the show and the series of films is what we were discussing earlier, which is the laughter.

The friends, even if it's at the expense of someone who's getting their nuts slapped, that sense of excitement and camaraderie. Those interstitials often are not shot with the full cast. They're usually shot like one person alone. It seems like when Knoxville is doing some of these things, he's by himself or Steve-O is by himself doing something really crazy.

And that just feels dangerous. You know, it does not feel fun. Maybe it's all dangerous though. I was going back and watching some of the older ones. You remember when Bam and Johnny like flipped that golf cart? Oh God, that's terrible. And like, and it's like golf carts are not supposed to be flipped.

They don't have roll bars. And Knoxville just gets like folded underneath a golf cart and doesn't remember what happened. There are a handful of moments. And that was 20 years ago. He's still doing this. There are a handful of moments

in the new film even where guys are flying off ramps and they're landing and people are genuinely concerned that they're not going to wake up. And it you know i think for many people this series is just persona non grata because they're like this just makes me sick this makes me terrified sick i don't understand how why this is so debased on the other hand johnny oxville looks good he's got gray hair looks like he's in good shape he looks happy. He's like 50 years old. He's got gray hair. Looks like he's in good shape.

He looks happy. He's had an incredibly successful career as an actor and as the host of Jackass, one of the most successful series in the last 20 years. It's one of the funniest things, though. I've never really been like this, but the last 10 years have just been like,

man, we have to look out for football players. But hold on, let me go watch Jackass. It is an incredible contrast yeah get groceries delivered across the gta from real canadian superstore with pc express shop online for super prices and super savings try it today and get up to 75 in pc optimum points visit superstore.ca to get. So before we start picking some of our favorite stunts, I asked you to put together the five kinds of jackass stunts that you meet here in these films.

So you put together, I think, a perfect list. So break it down for me. Let's talk about each one. Right. So there, I think, like you said, there are like about five kinds of jackass stunts that you see in these movies. This is like a loose sort loose mapping of the stunts.

But at its core, I still think you have the skateboarding and BMX stunts that are the roots of the whole program. I think that's where a lot of the guys come from, is from those backgrounds. Some of my favorite moments in the movies and in the shows have been included, like Tony Hawk and Matt Hoffman and other BMX guys. It's always funny when... I think one of my favorite things ever is when remember the uh I think it's in one

where they're doing the ramps but they're throwing like the weighted balls at each other while they're skating and biking and Tony Hawk gets through blindfolded and I was just like Tony Hawk might be the goat like of all time like of any sport for this. I can't believe he did it. But yeah, you get these skateboarding BMX stunts. Then there's the bathroom stuff, which is admittedly not my favorite thing. That is throwing porta-potties up in the air, stuff that involves farting into other people's mouths or noses, anything that involves secretions or ejaculate, which I do have to make a category because there is quite a bit of ejaculate in the Jackass franchise. There certainly is.

Yeah. They're creating ejaculate, Chris. Yes. So you got the bathroom stuff. I don't know. How do you feel about it? Do you like the like, let's really get after it. Like have Wee Man put his head inside of Preston's butt? and like I I'm just a regular dude and at the end of the day the things that appeal to me are not just Kurosawa you know and the works of Philip Roth like I am a guy who I think I will

probably laugh if you um put a rocket underneath a port-a-potty and shoot a guy into the air yes and then he's covered in poop yeah I you know know, like, I'm just a man. Ultimately, that's really all I can say about it. I'm not above that. And it would be last in my power rankings of the kinds of stunts that they do. But I also think it wouldn't be jackass if it didn't have, like, the testery. You know, there is a kind of grossness

that I think is kind of fundamental to the project. So, you know, I think the next two are the most interesting to me in terms of what you have yeah i have torture which is anything that involves tasers riot guns and then spiders snakes and bears and that that you you can open that up to even more stuff but it's the kind these are the skits uh the the pranks where you're like oh my god like like this guy is sincerely scared of what's about to happen. So like we can,

when we get to our favorite, um, favorite sketches ever, like we can talk about these more specifically, but these are really like the ones where guys are crying with fear. Guys are shaking. Guys are passing out. Guys are having anxiety attacks.

And that's like weirdly the ones where I'm like, this is amazing because it's so real. the ones where i'm like this is amazing because it's so real same this is my this is my favorite by far and it's upsetting because it's it's literally like there is a giant tarantula six inches from a man's face and this man could die if the tarantula bites him but the endorphin hit that you get from watching someone with that living fear but knowing that like they probably would not have put this movie in 3 000 theaters if a guy died on screen you know like we we know that there are some guardrails around our mind on this but not enough that i have to believe like

everything's going to be okay there's that real that middle ground it's like you this guy might have broken his wrist but i don't think he's in a body bag which i guess is is like ultimately the weird line that we're going in on uh the other uh categories i have here so that was torture then there's just pranks and that would i think bad grandpa or would go here is just like these guys going out into the world and doing something like the pandas running around tokyo or you know just anything that happens in the real world. There's an especially great prank in Jackass Forever that I won't spoil. So funny.

Yeah. And so I enjoy these quite a bit. I also think, I'm just guessing, but it seems like Spike Jonze enjoys these a lot too. Yes. He has participated in some of these in the past as an old woman. Yes. Very vivid imagery. And the fifth category that I have, which is somewhat limited and also can include some

from the above categories, is Dances with Death. And these are the ones where it just seems like this shouldn't legally happen. This specifically is the Johnny Knoxville versus Bulls, Buffaloes, like anything where it's like, we're not totally sure this is going to work. Yeah. There are fewer of these, obviously, in all the films because of the liability in play and because of the danger. But these are, they're not thrilling, but they are captivating.

And that's really the challenge, I think, with Jackass is how gross can you get? How scared can you get? how much can you get caught up in someone else's danger um you want to talk about your faves yeah sure um should we count them down yeah let's count them down what's your number five these are our favorite stunts of all time on jackass across all the films yeah so number five i I have a Dave England one, which is a fire hose rodeo. It's very, very simple. My man is on a fire hose that's dangled from the sky.

The fire hose whips around for a solid 90 seconds. And when Dave England falls, he basically breaks his ass and he's covered in mud and crying and can't get up. And all the guys rush up to him and they're like just cracking up

at like the visuals that they just saw. And he's like, basically like, I broke my ass and it's like shows that he's bleeding from his rectum, honestly. So I'm just really glad that I've arrived at a professional place where I could talk about this. I believe the line Knoxville delivers

is that's a jackass first rectal bleeding. Yes. This is a great one. I think Anglin and Danger Aaron are like the unsung heroes of this show. They really are. Especially this movie. I think Aaron is like the MVP of the movie. He really is.

And those guys are simultaneously the most scared and the most fearless because the things that they do and Aaron takes some nut shots in this movie, in this new movie. My word. It is very, very very terrifying but great entertainment and dave is dave is probably best remembered as the guy who takes a real shit in a toilet in a hardware store in the first film which is very funny and bizarre but when he is in pain it is it looks like he's about to burst into tears his one eye is usually close like he is part of one of my favorite sketches that i'll get to in a bit but his reaction to one of my favorite sketches is like one of the most real things i've ever seen on screen uh my number five is your

number four so this is a good one to talk about so this sketch is the the rare jackass sketch that involves almost every key cast member um It's from Jackass 3D. It's called Electric Avenue, named after the pop song. And it's got this, some of the sketches on this show have very, very dumb setups. In this sketch,

Knoxville appears as a prison warden who is standing in front of a bunch of guys dressed in striped, you know, pinstripe prison outfits. And he says that, due to prison overpopulation. We are allowing these prisoners to escape. However, in order to escape,

they need to get across this bridge. And what is across the bridge is a series of tasers, cattle prods, and stun guns. And it's just the bridge quote unquote is just a bunch of tires in a hallway at Paramount. This sketch was clearly crafted, created, and produced for less than $1,000. Oh, for sure.

It's whatever the tasers costed. And so the two people who do not participate in the sketch, we have not mentioned Wee Man yet, Jason Acuna, who of course is a key member of the show too. Wee Man and Knoxville are on the sidelines for this sketch. Basically, all of the other key guys, Knoxville, bam,

Ryan, Aaron, Dave, they're all in these outfits and they have to race across this narrow hallway that is populated by swinging stun guns and tasers and their reactions of pain as they crawl flip before and during and after. Yeah. Yeah.

The, the, the sheer terror that Steve-O exhibits before he has to go through this hallway. I think he says he's going to pass out, right? This is literally one of the craziest living humans who has put his body through such enormous terror and pain. And one of the great things, obviously, about this list is you don't have to go back and watch all of Jackass 3D. Just Google Electric Avenue Jackass after you've listened to this and watch this and watch Bam Margera's reaction

when he gets to the end of this stunt. A guy who has also put himself through a lot of pain over the years. Purely angry that he has had to do this. Yeah. It is, forgive this pun, but it is an electrifying stunt. My number four, like you said,

is Electric Avenue. My number three is another office prank, which is High Five. This is like the said, is Electric Avenue. My number three is another office prank, which is High Five. This is the most adorable one to me. So this is basically Johnny Knoxville has a giant hand on a retractable bar, a tension release thing. And he's just wearing a t-shirt that says Lance Bangs. And they're hiding in the little cafeteria cubbyhole of wherever their production office is. So people are filing in and bringing their lunch into this dining room. And Knoxville is hiding around the other side of a wall with a hand that will then

spring out and hit people square in the face. And it's enormous. It's going to be from their torso up. So the best part about this is every time they do it, the person who just got got then gets basically recruited into it. It is just like it swallows them up, and it all culminates with Knoxville getting Bam with also attaching bales, like bags of flour to the hand so that it explodes on contact with Bam, and then Bam gets like full flush

it's an amazing hit and it's just such a funny sketch because it's like these guys like stuck alone in a production office for days on end coming up with stuff like this the there are a couple of great moments from that one but the antiquing of bam is is really great also aaron being asked to transport the soup and being hit when the, well, he's carrying the soup. It splits his tray in half. Wonderful stuff. This is a great example of just some of the dumbest shit being as effective as possible. I'll do my number four and my number three together

because I don't really want to spoil number four. But number four is from Jackass Forever. It is one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen in my entire life. Steve-O is the star of this stunt. It involves bees and genitals. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah, this was a real like,

I can't believe this is on camera. I can't believe like I'm alive to see this. I felt like I was vibrating, but also like I would explode into particles while this was happening. I was like, no human should be allowed, not even to experience this, but just to witness it because it is so

intense. The number three is also a Steve-O stunt. It's barely even a stunt. It is just, I think, the purest expression of how fucked up these guys are. This is from the first movie, Jackass the Movie. It's called Wasabi Snooters, and it's literally just a minute of Steve-O snorting

wasabi at a sushi restaurant which anyone can tell you is the dumbest thing you could possibly do i can't even put wasabi on my tongue a tiny droplet and he is mixing soy sauce and wasabi together and snorting it like a line of pure colombian cocaine but did you ever like when you were like 13 and you were like a pizzeria uno did you ever like dare somebody to like eat like a like a whole spoonful of salt or something like that no question it's like it's familiar as like that kind of a challenge but also you know no one dared steve-o to do this he was like you know what i'm gonna do is like let's do it yeah absolutely and so he's a madman and that's like it's it's is it the most visually thrilling no well i'll get to

a visually thrilling one shortly but it kind of tells you everything you need to know about these guys especially back in the 2003 days okay what's your number two uh it's a cheat because it's knoxville versus bulls or buffaloes this includes roller buffalo from jackass 3 toro trotter from jackass 2 running with the bulls which is the intro for jackass 2 blindfolded versus a bull which we talked about uh invisible man which is when when Knoxville is painted to look like the background of a wall he's standing in front of while a bull runs around.

He eventually does get got by that bull, I think, but not as bad as usual. And then the bull stunt from Jackass Forever. So I'm a simple guy. I just like watching a guy get run over by buffaloes is amazing um my number one is actually toro totter which is one of the the bull stunts that you're talking about toro totter which is from jackass number two which i which believe which involves

i believe pontius pontius bam knoxville steve and actually yeah and they're on a teeter totter four-way teeter totter in the center of a bull ring and the bull is let loose and they're on a teeter-totter a four-way teeter-totter in the center of a bull ring and the bull is let loose and they have to bounce up and down as the bull runs around the ring and try to avoid getting clipped by the bull obviously it's terrifying and it's kind of visually beautiful to watch them teeter-totter back and forth and communicate to each other scared about whether or not they're going to get hit but what's crazy about that one is knoxville's determination to stay on the totter

even after everybody else has abandoned it. That is genuinely upsetting him dancing with the devil in that sequence where he's like, I'm not getting off. Like everyone is left

and I'm by myself. I think Pontius has been gored. I think Dunn is actually in it because Dunn gets fucked up. Yes, he gets flipped, which is really, really scary. And yeah, you're right. Knoxville's

like so that actually leads right into my number one which is one of the most obscene things i've ever seen which is uh the riot control test it's knoxville bam and done on the receiving end of hundreds of 45 caliber pellets being exploded out of this anti-riot device that they put outside of embassies. And it's just basically like these guys getting hit with like hundreds of little bullets and grenades at once. It makes an incredible sound. So they test it once.

These guys are all sitting in like a shooting range and they test it once with the defense specialist who they're hanging out with. And the sound and the explosion it makes bam and done just like walk out like fuck that and they both like just storm out and they show england and england's like i'm having a full-on panic attack i can't do this and when they go outside done is is hanging out he's like smoking he's like dude you are fucking out of your mind if you do that. And Knoxville goes,

come on, man, it's footage. And they go back inside and like, they're just cut. And the next thing you know, Dunn, Bam, and Knoxville take this riot gun

at full blast. And it, it's unbelievable. Like Bam's just crying. But I just, it's just one of those things where you're like, how did you think of this? Where did those things where you're like how did you think

of this where did this device come from and how did you talk these fucking guys into going and standing in front of it and why am i laughing so hard so this sketch actually exists in like an outside like a category that we don't necessarily understand here where it like, is this just pure sadomasochism? Yeah. You know, like, there's something else going on. Like, what's wrong with Knoxville? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I honestly, I mean, I say that candidly, lovingly, because he's given me so much. This bit is a sequel to Riot Control Test, which appeared in the Jackass movie. Because he gets shot with the beanbag, right? Yes.

It's just a one beanbag shot into the stomach that Knoxville endures. And so I feel like Knoxville is like, I've been down this road before. I need someone to join me. And so this sense of like, if I jumped off the Brooklyn, you know, if your friend jumped

off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you? It has that kind of quality to it. This one is insane because obviously like, when after it finishes and Dunn has taken some absolutely brutal shots. They show his chest, and he has been pulverized by these pellets.

And Knoxville's like, anything on my face? No, we're good here. All set. Good to go. He's just been annihilated by a gun that is designed to ward off insurgents. Disperse large crowds. Yes. Yeah.

And these, these guys are absolutely nuts for that. So I already mentioned that Toro Tata is my number one. My number two is just beautiful. It's the jet engine. Yeah. This is from Jackass 3D. This was,

I guess, inspired by that famous Maxwell cassette ad where the guy is sitting in a lounger chair and he's having his hair blown back by the sound of the music that he's listening to. The hair being blown back on Ryan Dunn

that started the sketch is literally coming from a propulsion jet just blowing as hot and as hard as it possibly can. And then they create a series of mini stunts around using the propulsion

from the jet to blow things through the air as quickly as possible the funniest by far is knoxville suiting up in a jim thorpe style football uniform with a leather helmet and having a football blasted his way 100 miles an hour and there is a beautifully edited sequence in which a ball hits him directly in the chest and he goes down like a like a draped skeleton it's just magical there's a beautifully edited sequence in which a ball hits him directly in the chest and he goes down like a, like a draped skeleton. It's just magical.

There's a couple of other great moments. I think, I think Dave is a, is a waiter at one point carrying a tray full of food out to Pontius who's dressed as a woman. There are a handful of other really, really good ones. Preston Lacey getting blown around despite being 350 pounds.

It's just one of those things where you can see that there's someone in their mind's eyes, like, what if we just got a jet and just played with it? And you and I, I don't think we're doing that enough on our podcasts. I don't think we're saying what if enough. I know. I mean, like those guys were just going up to the Redstones and just being like, yeah, just sign here. It'll be a hit i don't understand how do you think our culture has come all the way around on this sort of thing where they're just like you know what take your life in your own hands you know it's all content like are they are we all knoxville now i guess is the question i'm asking you well i mean the question is really

like do you think that something like this could like exist now because it just seems like both it's so rare to have something that like comes out of nowhere like this and become such a mainstream phenomenon and frankly ends like at its peak rather than going on maybe a little too long i'm not even talking about do you think that there would be like some sort of like moral pushback about it or do you think like people would be like this is the wrong message to send but yeah like i do definitely think that these guys tapped into a i am the story like the story is just like whatever we choose to put on and honestly like the making of is is integral to the what you see on screen in the first place and that's why tremaine and bangs and all these guys like wind up being part of part of the whole set so all seven of the

existing jackass films the 0.5s all that stuff are all available to be streamed on paramount plus this movie's coming out in thousands of theaters we're you know we're in a complicated moment in the pandemic it seems like omicron is is slowing but maybe not slowing as fast as people would like is this movie gonna be a hit the last three have been pretty big hits. I'm leaning yes, because I went and saw Scream 5 and I was like, people really enjoy going to the movies when it's like something like this. Yeah. Can it be a movie like, does it have to be a movie like,

is this just another brand of horror in a way? Doesn't, but didn't it feel like we were like plugging into an energy source yesterday watching it? Unquestionably. I mean, I was trying to remember with you yesterday i don't know who i saw jack s3d with but i saw it in a movie theater in brooklyn with friends and i felt like i had touched god at the end of the movie i was like this is what god wanted for me he wanted me to feel this deeply and all of this corroded skin around my heart has been destroyed and I am pure again because these guys

are willing to do this for our entertainment. And I still think there are, I wonder if like young people, whether it's because of Rachel Wolfson and Jasper Dolphin or whatever,

or just because they just want to see people get fucked up. Or are they like, I watched Logan Paul or any of the other thousands of people who were like,

check this out, I drove my car into a pool and then it exploded. Does that take up all the jackass stuff and they don't need to see jackass? That's a really good question. I wonder, can you make an event out of something like this when you can just have it on your phone all the time is relevant? I think if you've listened this far to this episode, you may be getting ready to cue up some of those stunts that we're just recalling. question for you yeah is this the the end of the jackass franchise i i get the impression that this was like that that three was supposed to be the last one and then they were like come on let's try one more before we're like officially too old to do something like this i definitely think this is the i don't think knoxville can do more like do any more of this stuff if in 10 years they do it again if like if actual bad grandpa yeah yeah like will you will that seem too far

will that be hard to hard to watch because I didn't actually struggle with this until Knoxville got in the ring with the bull yeah but that could have happened to him when he was 22 true you know what I mean like the bull doesn't care if he's 50 or 20 but but you know this as we get older our bones are getting more brittle oh my god i mean like i was one of the things i was gonna ask you earlier is like when's the last time you actually just like ate shit like when's the last time you just like fell and i mean i i i had like a really bad fall back in new york like like in the 2010s. And it was significant, but I was laid up for two or three weeks and my back was yellow from bruises and stuff.

And the idea that these guys are shooting a lot of these stunts, they do two-day shoots where they do multiple stunts a day. It's unbelievable that they can still get up after this. This is perhaps a less couth question, but when's the last time you really took a shot to the nuts? It's been a really long time.

I can't even remember. What about you? Well, I'll try to remedy that for you soon. No, it's been a really, it's been a really long, I'll tell you what, I was thinking this is obviously slightly different than what the Jackass guys are up to. But you know, when you, I have young nephews

and when they were like, They just go right after. Yeah, when they were like seven and five they're like you don't be hilarious if i just punched you right here and i don't think i've ever really been more angry like in my life i don't think i've ever been more like is there like a jet pack that sends these kids straight to hell like how do we get them off earth because of what they just did to me and i love those two but like that is imagine that being your job demon age yeah right yeah but that's like if you're does that for a living yeah uh absolutely terrifying this is what you do for a living you talk about movies and culture um that's right and uh we covered a lot of it today man

you feel good about this do you think if if the listeners of this show could challenge us to any jackass stunt in the world which one would you want them to challenge us to i think i would rather do anything but the the poop stuff okay interesting snakes buffaloes heights bmx stunts anything like i'd rather do all of that than the poop stuff. Well, with Amanda on parental leave soon, I think the snake pod could be coming for us. So just alert the video team. Turn the camera on, so to speak.

Okay, CR, thank you so much for joining me in Jackass Rivalry. Thank you to our producer, Bobby Wagner, for his work on today's episode. Stay tuned to The Big Picture because we are shifting gears slightly next Tuesday morning that is when the Academy Award nominations will be announced and I will be talking about them and maybe Amanda will too we'll see you then