The Big Picture - Our Golden Globe Predictions. Plus: Introducing 25 for ’25!

Episode Date: January 3, 2025

In her triumphant return, Amanda shares her overarching thoughts on the movies and shows from the past few months that she’s been out on parental leave (1:00). Then, Sean and Amanda predict the winners of each film category for Sunday’s Golden Globes (52:00. Plus: they introduce a new yearlong project for 2025 in which they count down their collective favorite films of the century so far. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Chia Hao Tat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Choose one of five eligible charities, up to $500,000 in total contributions. I'm Sean Fennessy. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the return of Dobbins. I'm back. Hallelujah. She's back. Later in this episode, Amanda and I will introduce our next big project for the show. We'll also predict the winners for Sunday's Golden Globes. Did you know the Golden Globes are happening on Sunday?

I do. I'm going to be here. I've arranged it. I did make some preparations for my predictions, but for the Golden Globes, I like read through the list. I see.

And I thought about it for five seconds, but that's going to be a freewheeling portion of the podcast. Yeah, well, let's get right into it. You're back. I'm back.

You're back in a manner of speaking. You're the mother of two children. Two boys. Yeah, well, let's get right into it. You're back. I'm back. You're back in a manner of speaking. You're the mother of two children. Two boys. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you so much. I've spent a lot of time with your family in the last couple of weeks. It's been wonderful.

Yeah, it was very nice. Very sweet. We've each also spent a lot of time with our respective families. I've never been happier to be podcasting than I am at this exact moment with you guys because, yeah, we've been locked down in a manner of speaking. But we're back and you've been what? What have you been doing for the last three months? Raising two children and not sleeping and listening to the podcast and seeing movies as best I could fit it in.

Okay. With the understanding that my kids are on opposite schedules right now. So like no real downtime during the day. And then I was kind of falling asleep for a while. So I'm not caught up and I'm going to work on being caught up, you know, now that my time is coming back to me. And that'll be nice in a way, because like, then we can revisit some of the movies that you guys covered in the last three months. You know,

you haven't had anyone to talk about a different man with. I was just listening to your underseen episodes on the way here. Yeah. So,

That's true. I could talk about that. You've seen that? Yeah, I actually saw that before Sia was born. But anyway, good movie.

Yeah, agreed. Nickel Boys, you have scheduled for February. That's great. I haven't seen nickel boys yet so but i'm going to got a ticket for the brutalist at the vista hell yeah next week in

the afternoon uh so i guess that's the disclaimer of the do you want to reveal where you're seeing it so everyone can come see it with you i just said at the vista at the vista yeah i maybe i won't say the day okay um i'll just just tweet the day. Do you think that I have to wait in line? What do you mean? You won't have to wait in line at the bathroom, that's for sure, because there will be a lot of men there. I know. Some of the reports that I got while I was gone was Alex Ross Perry letting me know that he was early on the Brutalist Boys bathroom line divide and that there would not be any lines for the women. Yes. There just have been,

there's been like a lot of crowds outside the Vista. No, I think the first like two weeks at the Vista sold out pretty hard. And now I noticed there's a lot of more available tickets. So I think it'll be okay. This is also my first time at the reopened Vista. So I'm excited about that. It's wonderful.

Yeah. It's really cool. I especially love the snack selections. You got to go to Pam's Coffee next door. Coffee shop named after Pam Greer. Okay. The pastries at Pam's Coffee Shop are out of this world. So could I do that and then-

They let you bring it in. Oh, great. All right. You can load up on stuff. Is there like a lunchtime offering at Pam's? I don't know for sure. I don't eat lunches, you know. Sure. Well, I'm going around lunchtime just to narrow down the window of when I'll be

there. Yeah. So I haven't seen The Brutalist. Okay. But I think you've been doing, based on what you've told me, you're doing a smart thing, which is there's, you've seen a lot. Yeah. But you've held out on Complete Unknown. Right. You've held out on The Brutalist. You've held out on Nickel Boys. Movies that you want to see on the big screen. Yes. And otherwise, it seems like you've been keeping up pretty good. Yeah, there are still some holes, which we'll go through, I think, as we do Golden Globes.

I'm way behind on International. I'm way behind on Docs. I'm way behind on animated film. Hard to believe. Will I catch up? We'll find out. And yeah, there are spots here and there. But I did also manage to see, I saw Gladiator 2 on the big screen. I saw Wicked on the big screen.

I think I've gotten most of the major experiences the way they were intended and or I have them planned for the next weeks so I mean where would you like to begin here like you have you the floor is yours for whatever has been transpiring here and in the world of movies over the last three months while you've been also on the podcast so that's the other thing I have been listening okay uh you have got sound like you're here to scold me I I mean, Bobby, I see you on the screen there. Yeah. What did I do? Well, you're going to find out because I have some feedback that I almost texted you guys yesterday.

And then I was like, oh, I have an outlet. I have mostly been listening, but there are some episodes that I haven't gotten to yet because, as you mentioned, I haven't seen A Complete Unknown yet. So I haven't listened to that. I did watchete seger's the pete seger impression yeah um we got we got in the same week on this show two new characters we got pete seger yes and count orlock right are both on the show oh that's another one so i haven't seen nosferatu yeah but. But I will see that. Yeah. Great. In fact, I think you'll enjoy that. You know what? I was having the same conversation

last night with our friend Zach and our friend Mark Anthony Green and they were both like, no, I actually think you'll really like that.

It's a gothic romance with like some scary stuff. Which I don't think I was expecting. So that's on the list but I haven't listened to that episode yet.

So I can't respond to everything because I haven't heard everything yet, but I have heard a lot. And I've been following along as best I can with the discussion. So I have some discussion points. Well, I mean, we're very happy to have you back. I did want to say thank you to everyone who filled in for you, which, you know, Joanna Robinson, of course, CR, Mallory Rubin, Rob Mahoney, Van Lathan, Charles Holmes,

Bobby, of course. I'm sure I'm forgetting some people. Tracy Letts. Tracy Letts, the great Tracy Letts came through. Big Jim. Yeah. Big Jim came through, which was delightful. Gail Hurd.

That was one of the scenes. The screenshots of Big Jim have been going around because I guess, you know it got aggregated or whatever and i just have to say i want to give a big shout out to big jim for just dressing like a bmx racer all the time sick outfit you know incredible shit yeah right in the big picture color scheme too it was amazing yeah he got aggregated because he was a big fan of the film emilia perez oh and he shouted out out Zoe Saldana's performance in that film. Obviously, he has collaborated with Zoe a few times on the Avatar films.

Sure. Right. Okay. Yeah. So then I think the Selena Gomez people picked it up. Right. And then you made it on Film Updates. Yes.

Now I remember I am watching that. Yeah, I did watch that. Okay. I have, yeah, thank you to everyone. Everyone was great. It was very fun to consume it as a listener and then to send outrage texts and or dictate them to my phone while I was driving because that was often like my podcast listening time

was driving to and from Whole Foods often with like a baby in the back and then just yelling, Siri, tell Sean. Anyway, we'll get there. So I have prepared four larger discussion points here. Okay. The first one is Oscar's state of best picture. You and Joanna have done great work.

And I think I mostly agree with your read of where the race is. I mean, you guys are very good at this, you know, who am I to tell you and Joanna that you're wrong? And I have not been as locked in, but I do want to address where it looks like the race is headed. Please do.

I think I know where you're going with this and I think you might be right. Yeah. So we have, we got to talk about Wicked. We have to talk about Wicked, ladies and gentlemen, and we have to talk right now. I am, I'm baffled. I am absolutely gobsmacked that this is like becoming the front runner. So you saw it. I did. What did you think of the movie? Not for me on about eight different levels, including the basic fact that, so I had never seen Wicked the musical. Same. And I just, I wasn't part of that phenomenon.

And that is like a phenomenon. And many people graduated from Rent the musical to Wicked. I thought Juliette Lippman did just a fantastic job. It was a wonderful episode of this podcast. And she has lived the wicked life and really put that in a lot of context for me. But I just didn't really like the show very much. I was just, you know, that goat started singing

and I was like, oh no, the animals are singing? I believe in the theatrical performance, there's just a man dressed as a goat. So in that respect, would you have preferred that to the CGI? No one told me about the animal subplot. Okay. So in general, listen, be kind to animals and like, don't make me think about it too much is kind of where I am. Kind of a micro-science corner there. Just like, let's be responsible and kind and like, okay, whatever. So that's the basic level. Then obviously

like the very, very obvious quote-unquote metaphor for like, sure, okay. I mean, I'm against fascism unlike most of this country, but that, you know, speaking of things I missed and that's not true i voted but i i thought that was pretty stupid i didn't think the songs were that good

um did you did you know the songs going in i knew defying gravity that was the only one because somehow even like the adina menzel defying gravity thing was such a pop culture moment. And people were rocking to the soundtrack that, you know, that I was aware of that. I don't think I could have told you that it was like spliced up or I couldn't have done any of the analysis that Juliet did. So that was helpful. But I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, defying gravity. Sure. Yeah.

And then I think I learned from uh David Sims and Griffin Newman on Blank Check that that that Defying Gravity closes the first act so it would close the part one of the movie so I did kind of know that was coming but that was it um yeah so I just I didn't respond to it in any way and in fact thought it was sort of boring and bad personally. I'm not sure that I get the listening to musical soundtracks as a phenomenon. And clearly I'm in the minority on that. You know, I know it made a ton of money. Like Wicked, the soundtrack has brought people a lot of joy.

It certainly has. I know you listen to it in your house. It's on quite frequently. Last night we listened to Popular three times in a lot of joy. It certainly has. I know you listen to it in your house. It's on quite frequently. Last night, we listened to Popular three times in a row. Okay. Yeah. And my daughter danced and performed the whole time. Talk me...

Listen, I love nothing more than Alice's performances. We got a great one at Thanksgiving. We did. The ballerina has arrived, for sure. And we also got a great one at Christmas with Knox and Alice. So that was nice. How does that happen? Walk me through the choices that you have made as a person and a parent to where she knows about Popular and is listening to it three times in a row.

Well, she's seen the movie Wicked. Yeah. So how'd you get there? Before that, I think it was our friend Izzy who exposed her to the songs originally. But she knew that Wicked was coming because she loves the Wizard of Oz. We've seen the Wizard of Oz many times. Right. And so she became aware of these other songs and began to love them.

Loves Defying Gravity. Loves Popular. Loves the Wizard and I, I think is the other major song. And yeah, she likes to dance in the evening time. She likes to go to the ball. Okay. She likes to put on a gown, go to the ball, and dance. I'm great with all that. This is what she likes to do.

So when she's like, so we put on whatever song she wants to hear, and then invariably Spotify starts playing songs that we've played in the past. Oh, so you let them you let Spotify do the work I haven't made a playlist for example yeah oh okay

so you're not taking the wheel but I will say I wouldn't say that she loved Wicked she didn't I mean it's very long it's at times scary

I would say a little confusing narratively I would agree with that as someone with you know basically three year old intelligence at the time of watching the movie but a smart three year old confusing narratively. I would agree with that as someone with, you know, basically three-year-old intelligence

at the time of watching the movie. But a smart three-year-old. Alice is, you know, very advanced. She can get story pretty well.

It's just, it's a lot of story and it's a bit convoluted, I would say. And so, I thought it did, I thought she did pretty well with it.

We watched it at home. Uh-huh. But she's not asked for it since. This was like two and a half did pretty well with it. We watched it at home. But she has not asked for it since. This was like two and a half weeks ago we watched it, a week and a half ago. And that's notable because when she likes something, she says, I want to watch it again. So I think that, no, she's very young relative to what the core audience of this movie is,

which is, I think, 35-year-old women. You know, they're watching it in droves and maybe Academy voters obviously like so that's the thing so the short queer fan base obviously Broadway heads like there's a lot of people who love the movie listen you love what you love

I get it and so I guess the ways it was not for me number one I just didn't understand the show I didn't understand the appeal of the show and I'm also not like a listen to musicals soundtrack person. Number two, I have to be honest, parts of it were okay. I did think Ariana Grande was very funny and good. And I was like, wow, what a star. I get it. I mean, I have always gotten it like since 2012, but that's a different conversation. I wouldn't even disagree with you. I like it. I mean, I have always gotten it like since 2012, but that's a different conversation. I wouldn't even disagree with you. I like it.

Yeah, I get it. Otherwise, I didn't think it was very good. I agree with you. It looks like bordering on garbage. It looks pretty bad. for the choreography or the dance numbers in general. I thought they were just a weird mishmash of, and listen, I say that as a deep Step Up fan, but they were lost somewhere between modern Step Up choreography and Broadway choreography, which ain't Gene Kelly. I think that's a good point and I think that's something he's trying to have it both ways.

He's trying to modernize a classical style and that's hard to do. I think it's pretty iffy as well, but I'm not an expert in that, so I find it a little hard to criticize it. And also I just think the group numbers are not well done and then the main performers aren't dancers respectfully it's true um i agree that jonathan bailey a dancer he may be a dancer is he i thought

he was just on bridgerton also that's the really long song where he just kind of like stands around and they do a lot of plot and then there's the completely silent dance number, which as you pointed out on the Wicked podcast, is one of the most bizarre filmmaking choices I've ever seen in my entire life. Hated it. It's so baffling. People are having like huge emotional connections to that sequence. I think us not knowing the show at all is probably holding us back.

But when I was watching it, I was like, this is openly bad. It's like a pitch black room and there's no sound. The pacing is incredibly strange. I'm with you, man. It's the unfunny version of them touching fingers or whatever

and holding space, which, by the way, incredible press conference, the press tour, which Juliette has really covered with gusto. And I think one of the reasons probably why the movie is resonating is that they're, like, connected to those two people. They're connected to Cynthia Erivo. They're connected to Ariana Grande. I have loved Cynthia Erivo's press tour, including her appearance on Las Culturistas, where she was, her, like, Honey,

I Can't was about cooking with onion and garlic. And, like, we've lost creativity and imagination in our recipes that every single recipe just has to start with onion and garlic. There have to be more possibilities, which I think is a great point. Is there, like, an alternative that you would start with? She suggested some things that I don't remember, but every single time I- Like nutmeg? I mean, I hadn't heard of them. And like, maybe we were veering into hippy dippy stuff. Like, that's fine.

But- Like DMT? Like, what was she thinking? I hadn't heard of it. You know what I'm saying? And I don't want to speak to what I don't know. Okay, understood. But every single time I've been cooking something

and I'm chopping the onion and I'm chopping the garlic and then I'm sauteing it and I'm like, she's this is unimaginative like what other flavor bases could we explore okay all that said I was confused by her performance in the film which I I didn't feel met the energy of Ariana Grande or the rest of the the movie and you, maybe that's, I don't know. She just made a very, a choice to be incredibly serious and grave in the film. Right. Which is a mode that she's very comfortable in as a performer. And if you've seen her in the good work that she's done, like in Harriet, which I don't think is a very good movie, but I think she's very good in it.

Or if you see her in Widows, like she has a kind of like tenacity and focus and intensity as a performer that benefits some movies. In a movie like this, which is supposed to be like candy colored and pop and uplifting in many ways, obviously she's a tremendous singer, but the acting style just seemed all wrong to me. It didn't work for me. It was another imbalance in what is just like a very long and often like dark to look at movie. I just.

But do you think it's going to win now? Well, so and this brings me to the third way in which it doesn't work for me. Putting aside, it didn't work for me. That's fine. We all have different tastes. It brought joy to a lot of people. And that's cool. And I, you know, get that money, AMC Cinemas or whatever.

But, or Regal too, you know. Wow, look at you. Landmark. Yeah, keeping your options open, for sure. Sure, everybody, congratulations. That's great. But this being the best picture winner, we will throw a tantrum probably. You know?

I don't know what else to say. And it was a weird year. You know? So I, like, there isn't an obvious front runner. There isn't something, even though, you know, I loved Enora. It was my favorite film of the year. But I'm like, what? What are we doing?

Yeah. So that, the fact that it just keeps growing and growing the shortlist made me really nervous the shortlist because it is everywhere yeah and june 2 is not there to the same degree i mean obviously amelia perez is also there which we can talk about um we will i've seen it yeah Yeah. I watched it to the end. You loved it. I wanted to know what happened. You know?

I watched it thinking about it. They should put that on the poster. I kept watching. I was like, well. I wanted to know what happened. I want to know where this is going to go. Yeah. I didn't love where it went.

No, I didn't either. And I'm not sure I enjoyed the journey or the destination. Some things I did. Those movies are very the same to me where i think that there is like a real you're either a one star or a five star for both of those films i think that they both have things going for them especially in performance that memorable that elevate i think kind of shoddy material or weird yes filmmaking choices that didn't work. I think the writing in Amelia Paris is like appalling at times. And I think the sort of filmmaking stuff in Wicked doesn't work.

But they feel like two of the strongest movies in like the broader Academy Awards race. Meaning they will get like the most nominations most likely. Whether or not these are two movies that like actually can win anything beyond an acting performance i'm not sure i'm not either it's a little hard to tell to be honest with you and everybody that i've talked to who's a voter people are all over the place there has been no consistency in anybody i know who participates in this stuff being like oh yeah it's the brutalist or oh yeah it's an aura or oh yeah it's a wicked it's kind of spread out so i but the thing that you're hitting on, which is like,

in the absence of a front runner, is it a better opportunity for a pop movie to rise or is it a better opportunity for a smaller film to rise? That's something we don't yet know. Right. And,

you've done an okay job in the last few months of being the, well, remember the international voters? Because that's not really my job. I know. And I appreciate it. I think Joanna has thought of it as well on the international voters because that's not my job i know and i think joanna has thought of it as well and you guys do bring it up and i appreciate that but i do what is the international film is it amelia paris is that's the represent

representative in this race i mean i i guess so it's such a funky one though because it's like a mexican story made by a French filmmaker with American ad performers. It's not quite... No, that's very confusing. It's not Anatomy of a Fall, you know? It's more that I don't know that Wicked translates internationally in the same way. Clearly has not commercially. Yeah, commercially. commercially and if you're not you know wicked pilled from the age of 12 because you put this on

in middle school which like jade whaley one of our producers here was like yeah we did it we did wicked in maybe it was high school i mean i you know i'd love to meet the eighth grader who's yeah who's performing defying gravity but um that's a really good point. I mean, listen. I mean, Ariana Grande could have performed that when she was in eighth grade. Right, if the eighth grader can pull it off, then, like, you know, we've got a star. I'm sure eighth grade Cynthia Erivo could have, but they don't come along very often. So, you know, I don't know if middle schools in, you know, in France or in Japan or wherever are also performing Wicked, and maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know any middle schoolers internationally. I don't think I know any international middle schoolers. I actually do, and I can ask them. If we have any international middle schoolers listening to this podcast, please let us know. You can call in with your Wicked review. You can let Amanda know. I'm good, I think.

If you're 12 and you're listening to this show, I don't think I need to know how you're feeling about it. Okay. So that's one thing where I'm like, I'm not totally sure. I've been very resistant to this. As you know, I send you a lot of text messages on my walks being like, Wicked, are you sure? But it just-

It's kind of a relief that we're aligned on this. Yeah. If we had to fight about this movie for two months, I would have been kind of bummed. I think it's certainly possible right now. Yeah. I think when it first hit, I was like,

oh shit, this is happening. And that's when I said, I'm going to throw a tantrum. Right. When it first hit, I was like, oh no. Right. This is such a wave.

And sometimes this happens, you know, where a movie just hits hard and then it kind of slowed down a little bit. And it kind of got like its own little like corner where it was like, this is for people,

this is their version of a big pop movie right and now in the absence of anything rising I'm starting to sense what you are circling I think yeah and there's not a clear path to it but there's not a clear path for any other movie right now it's so funny I know Joanna said on your most recent power rankings that, you know, isn't it fun? We don't know what's going to happen. And I'm with you. I'm like, I find this baffling. It's a little anxiety inducing. Right. It's anxiety inducing. And also you and I both have the instinct to just correct whatever. Get it right. Right. And to have opinions and be like, to be above the process, but you can't be above the process if you don't know what the process is. So I would agree that it's confusing and agitating, but maybe also good content.

I think it makes it more intriguing at large, which is good just for spending time on this stuff. It's not good for our very sad, hyper-specific mental process for handling meaningless award shows. But, okay, duly noted. What's next? Well, we'll need to talk about the Tracy Letts episode, which was wonderful. Which was, like, it was great.

No credit to you. I mean, Tracy's just a wonderful guest. And that reminds me that I need to write him a thank you note if you can supply me with that contact information. I mean, Tracy is just a wonderful guest. Um, and that reminds me that I need to write him a thank you note. If you could supply me with that contact information. Hello, Tracy, happy new year. Um, and I, I loved listening to look at. And that's just, I'm willing to go with you. Well, I'm not totally willing to go with you on this journey, but I would like to explore more. There is an interesting, listening to that podcast and to the physical media part of that podcast was deranged, but it made me did think,

it did make me think a lot about like, you know, art and ownership. And there's also like a completist streak to what you guys are both doing. And I think that that is like an interesting strain of how a certain type of person consumes art and what that means. Wait till you see The Brutalist. Yeah, you know.

It's a significant theme. Sure. So, like, and it's also sort of just, I still don't totally understand it, you know? Like, and I, so I wanted to ask you guys a lot of questions, not in an angry way, but just in like a... I mean, I think, you know,

I think Tracy got it right. Yeah. When we first met, we talked about it, which is like, it's just like a, it's a sickness, you know? It's like anytime you get interested in collecting anything. Right. It's just, it kind of can get away from you really quickly. And it has gotten away from us.

And I guess like collector brain is something that I don't understand. And that doesn't mean that I'm not materialist. I'm like the most materialist person that you know. I don't know about that, but you do seek out stuff. Yeah. But just not the entirety of stuff. Yeah. And I was even thinking about it in terms of books because—

You guys have a ton of books in your house. I mean, we have too many. We can't get rid of them. We tried. I have a very strong preference for a physical paper book as opposed to, you know, the e-readers or whatever for many of the same reasons that you prefer a physical media and like a good transfer and a good print. And I also understand that on a. That I'm getting more and more interested in as I get older is the way that I see things because now when I stream stuff, it's so bad. Yeah, it looks like crap. Of course.

And now that like the technology has gotten really good on a lot of this stuff right so you're like they're converting movies that you never thought you would see that would look good I mean Tracy made this point when he was talking and maybe Tim and I didn't do a good job talking about this last couple years but like movies being released on like of the wages of fear being released on 4k yeah it's fucking mind-blowing like it looks so much better than what you would see on TCM in 1999. So that is an aspect of it for sure. Sure.

And I'm, like, pretty lazy, and so I'm still mostly going to use streaming. But I get all of that. But to go back to the books thing, I guess because there's no possible way I could ever own every single book ever published. It's like, you know, I can't even own one four millionth of, I don't know. But you're building your personal canon of books that you care about.

Right, but that's not what you guys are doing. That's not what Tracy is doing. I'm still in a place where I can navigate and it's getting away from me for sure. But I'm still, because I'm getting drawn in by like movies I've navigate and it's getting away from me for sure. But I'm still, because I'm getting drawn in by like movies I've never seen that I want to buy, which is not a good instinct unless it's something that I know is like a meaningful film. But when like exploitation movies that I don't know anything about are retailing for $34.99 and I'm like, I should get that. I'm trying to get away from that as much as I can because it's not healthy and it's not good

for your bank account. But I have a widening understanding of movie history and I'm trying to continue to fill it out and I want to be able to have access to stuff at any time and like I just read this morning the oldest movie that's available to stream on Netflix right now guess what year it is uh 1963 it's 1973 it's the sting that's the oldest movie that is available to stream on netflix right now that's fucking terrifying yeah there's 50 full years of movie history of like hollywood movie history that comes before that movie that the biggest media streaming service is not making available, at least in the United States. That's not good. So when I read something like that,

I'm like, I'm on a great mission. This is a great hobby. Sure. Okay. Even that, I still think that I am picking books and curating books in a different way than you are. And there's something, the collector's mindset.

We'll come back to it. It's a theme to revisit throughout the year. That's all fine. The arguing that that looks good, they look like shit. It is like, it's just, it's straight up ugly. Like I just, I have to tell you, it's ugly. And Tracy, to his credit, pushed back immediately. But the plastic does not look good this is at some point

film is an aesthetic like you know is a visual medium and we need you to understand some absolutes and that the rows of the plastic boxes don't look good and bobby you're out here all of a sudden dropping indie you know label titles for for blu-ray releases i don't like where this is going for you okay oh no no no that was just i was trying to contribute to the hundreds of beavers discussion i don't actually buy any of these things okay but i was a little alarmed that you were even aware of the release do you know what i mean this is just yes i was inspired thank you part of the algorithmic experience of the internet now is that I just get force fed these things because I have a general interest in film. I just wanted you to know that I noticed and I'm watching.

Okay. All right. Well, now that I know I'm on Amanda's watch list, I'll tread very lightly in 2025. Nothing gets past me. That'll be one of my goals. And I don't think plastic is beautiful. Fair enough. I grew up going to video stores.

I loved video stores. And having a video store in my house is incredibly cool and visually relaxing. The video stores at least displayed the covers out. Some did. And I may get to a place if I ever get a bigger house where I would display in a different way. But for now, I'm doing the best I can with the limited space I can in a garage. Which is like an entire garage with wall-to-wall shelving. But for now, I'm doing the best I can with the limited space that I can in a garage. Right, which is like an entire garage with wall-to-wall shelving. That's correct. I would kill for that level

of shelving for our books. Like, we don't, you know. If I ever get another house, you can't imagine what I'm going to do. I'm going to build an incredible great room. I think the alarming thing

is that I can. It's going to be so great. And you know what? You guys are invited to come over and watch films anytime you like. That's really nice. The setup will be amazing. There will be movie theater seating. It's going to be so great. And you know what? You guys are invited to come over and watch films anytime you like. That's really nice. The setup will be amazing.

There will be movie theater seating. It's going to be so special. But like the really good movie theater seating? It's my dream to do it. My dream is to look at the Martin Scorsese personal screening room and to try to design in that mold. If I'm spending all this money on physical media, they're classic red velvet movie theater seats.

They're not like Dolby room you know recliners I don't know I don't think there are photos of it online okay yeah

I mean this is just images of screening rooms that wasn't a very good Google search I guess AI isn't working okay just so you know by talking about

the construction of it on this podcast you've now signed yourself up to do a YouTube series, like extreme home makeovers of you building this. If someone wants to pay for this, if there's like a discovery channel show that designs movie rooms, I will,

I will be involved. I'll give so much feedback. I am, I am ready to be bought and sold when it comes to designing my home theater. I'm dead serious. If you're listening to this show and you want sponsorship and you make these things, fucking in. No question.

It syncs so naturally with everything we're doing. And then I'll make the plastic more beautiful for you. I'll display it more elegantly. I'll find, again, see the brutalist. Then let's talk. Okay. I'm going to. I have a ticket.

Okay. Okay. Number three. Not so sure about this one. Well, I just, it's more a report of what's really been going on in my household and what I've really been watching, which is that my son has discovered Paddington. The concept of Paddington, Paddington the character. You have books? We have the book.

We have the bear who is one of his best friends. And Paddington the bear closes the curtains in his room every night. That's very cute. And turns on the noise machine, but it has to be Paddington. I really like that. Yeah, no, I do too. And I think it was my mother-in-law

and sister-in-law, hi Ruthie, went to London and they brought Paddington and the book back to Knox. Got it. So it's gone from there as all things do and we did uh in october when we had an infant uh start exploring the movies so paddington one paddington two and i gotta tell you this week we started doing wonka we're just fully in the paul king wow so he watched Wonka. He loves Wonka. He requests Wonka. Listen, he also loved Paddington 1 and 2, which I have now seen and I'm like part of the Paddington dad hive. Like,

what wonderful stuff. I was just also like weeping through half of both those movies. Obviously, I was in like a deeply emotional postpartum state.. But basically, it's dangerous to watch those. There's also some Amanda touch points there, right? You've got the dad from Downton Abbey. Yeah. The father in those films. You've got Nicole Kidman, obviously, in the first one. Sure.

And Hugh Grant in the second one. You've got some big stars. Those movies are good. I've talked about them before. I will be teaching my own YouTube course called The Mission Impossible Influence on Paddington 1 and 2. Oh, 2 especially with the train? Yeah, but also in 1, there's like the overt.

They actually, they play the theme song, I believe. And Nicole Kidman does the Langley. I haven't seen 1 in a long time. Nicole Kidman does the Langley like drop. Maybe I should revisit it for our Nicole Kidman episode. Or for Paddington in Peru,

which is coming out soon and which I've got to, oh, have you seen it? No, I haven't seen it. I was just gonna say notably not a Paul King movie. Paul King, the director of Paddington, Paddington 2. Now he's moved on to Wonka. So, you know, we'll see about Paddington in Peru. Anyway, that's what the kids are into in my house. If Knox loves something, then I love it. That's how I feel about it.

That is nice. And also the Nutcracker, the Macaulay Culkin version, which we watched several times. That was a revelation for us. I did not know that was available. It's really well filmed. I watched it when I was like 11. This came out in 1993 and it's just, I believe it's the New York City Ballet version, or maybe it's the American Ballet. Will you Google that for me? Balanchine production of The Nutcracker and filmed very well. But it's obviously because it's, you know, the primo Nutcracker production. The costumes and the sets are really...

New York City Ballet. New York City Ballet, yeah. I've always wanted to go to The Nutcracker. I was in The Nutcracker as a small child. What role did you play? I was one of the toy soldiers. Okay. And I was on the taller side,

so I was one of the toy soldiers carrying a saber. But, like, we watched it, and I was like, Noxy, that was me. He did not understand that at all. Okay. So, but it is really beautifully filmed. They do a great job, right? Yep. It's an incredible production.

Do you have anything else you want to share on the kids watching front with me? There was one you said yesterday that you were saving. Well, we've been watching a lot of live action movies. And I think some of it was related to Wicked coming along. Okay. And the wave of The Wizard of Oz becoming important to us. But she just, from looking at Disney Plus as we scroll to find the movie that we want, it's revealed that there are these live action adaptations of these classic films.

So when you say live action movies, you've been watching the live-action Disney films. Correct. And not like... I've been showing her Sicario. No, no. I mean, we watched the live-action Cinderella, which I'd never seen. We watched the live-action Beauty and the Beast, yes, which I'd never seen. We watched the live-action... What else? I mean mean she saw the trailer for the new Snow White

and she was like I need that immediately she's literally the only person in the world who's like I agree she has interestingly not asked for

The Lion King or Mufasa we have not seen the movie Mufasa oh you have seen it and I did not think it was very good and

is just a tremendously disappointing Barry Jenkins two-year experience. I can't wait for him to get started on something else because I was watching actually the Underground Railroad recently out on the Criterion Collection. Right, right. Tracy brought this up when we were talking and I was thinking of it too. And what an amazing series that is. And I just look forward to his next non-Disney project.

And yeah, these live action movies are like somewhere between fine and horrendous. And we've talked about a bunch of them over the years. We've talked about Aladdin. We talked about Maleficent 2. Has she seen either of those? Has not seen either of those. We haven't gotten like that far down the chain, but the one that she wanted to see recently

was 101 Dalmatians, which is like the OG live action with Glenn Close from the early 2000s. She's pretty good, I thought. Surprisingly good. And also I had a take for you, which is that Miranda Priestley, that's just a ripoff of Cruella, of Glenn in that movie. The hair, for sure.

The whole, the affectation, the designer aspect of it. You know where like Cruella is a designer who's trying to get the fur for the puppies. Right. Is this cited? has this been discussed you know i don't think that anna winter is you know ripping off cruella are you sure i'm actually not sure the hair is very spot on um but no meryl has said that her inspiration for miranda priestly is actually clem eastwood seriously she never raises his voice that's like a real thing yeah cruella raises her inspiration for Miranda Priestly is actually Clint Eastwood. Seriously. He never raises his voice. That's like a real thing. Cruella raises her voice

for sure. Okay. So, but yeah, that's a good movie. I mean, Glenn Close is good until she was in

Hillbillyology. She made some bad stuff. Let me see what else Alice has seen over the break. Was there something else that I mentioned that you want to talk about? Yeah,

you said that there was something that was like unforgivable that she had learned about outside of your influence yeah fucking super kitties whatever kid told her about super kitties at school how dare you what it's like we have broken we have broken containment on the curated parental experience and now culturally we are just aware of things that are just not what i want her to be seeing

now obviously this happens to every parent. What is Super Kitty? It's just a 30-minute Disney Plus show for morons about cats that are superheroes. And it makes me want to gouge my eyes out. No disrespect to the fine people who make Super Kitties. That is better than Paw Patrol, at least. It is, but like how far are we from Paw Patrol now? I don't know.

But you need to learn that we don't have that at our house. Unfortunately, it was identified while scrolling. You can't be scrolling. I mean, it's true. It happens to us all the time. I don't want to pick a fight in my home, but this was not something that happened to me. It seemed to happen to my wife. And when I came in the house and saw that that was on, I was mortified.

I have some feedback for the people who designed the Apple TV homepage. Because Knox can find the remote now and turns it on himself. And then it's like, I want that, you know? And sometimes- It's hard out here, man. He's like, he tries to watch Deadpool and Wolverine or whatever, you know, they're advertising.

That's actually pretty cool. Silo, he tried. He says so many times, he's like, I watched Silo. I watched that, I watched that. He quit after one episode like so many others. I'm happy to report that Top Gun Maverick is just like a huge passion still of ours. Your husband shared with me that to soothe him at a time when he was frustrated recently, he needed a little Top Gun. Oh, yeah.

We had to go to urgent care for an ear infection and we sat there waiting for the— It wasn't even Top Gun Maverick the movie. I just played the Top Gun theme song on my iphone um and we just sat there listening to it uh it's adorable and he knows how to rock out when the guitar solo really gets going in minute four of the top gun theme song which is something maybe only he and i know about um no but loves top gun maverick the interesting thing though uh the moment where he loses interest in the movie is Tom Cruise and Jennifer Connelly's quote unquote night of passion where he's just like, I don't care about this. OK, that's when Tom Cruise checked out as well. He loves the boat.

But as soon as they get back to Connelly's house, he's like, no, no, no. Start it over. I want whooshes. So there we go. Man of taste. OK, what's next? The final the final note and the thing that I want to address, and this is also, you know, I hear from listeners, other people in our life, and this is a recurring question, just observation. We just want to check in on the monopods and how you doing.

What do you mean you know uh you spend a lot of time alone in a dark room talking to bobby on a screen but really to yourself uh and i want to know how you're doing hi hi you know every do we need i feel it's a check-in i mean honestly i feel as though i found my calling i feel i feel like um what i want want to do is connect directly. I want to look beyond the void and find connectivity. And so I've loved being in Studio 5. So that's been a point of connection for you? You feel closer to people? Yeah. All my unboxing boys. We did this great syllabus. That was Bob's idea. Yeah, no, no, no. I know about the syllabus. That was cool. And we'll be doing many more syllabi in the future.

I, you know, I missed you dearly on the show. Sure. Yeah. And I had fun with other co-hosts. Yeah. But. So that was like a. I'll tell you what.

Here's the thing. I've been watching a lot of YouTube over the last few years, like many other people. Sure. And. That's what's happening on YouTube. I'm just like watching people do that. And I'm like, this is super funny. And so what I'm trying to do is some version of it that is like 50% sincere and 50% self-parody.

I understood that. And I hope it's funny and also informative. Yeah. And I'm enjoying it. I've been thinking a lot about what I could do in terms of unboxing videos. But my unboxing is like touring Luca Guadagnino's hotel in Rome, you know? You should do a whole teacup series. Just all teacups of the world.

I did, Zach got me Sofia Coppola's Augustinus Bader lip balms for Christmas, and it was a wonderful gift. Does any of those words mean anything to you? I know who Sofia is. Okay. I know what lip balm is. Okay. Augustinus Bader is the body cream from Challengers. Oh, right.

That I keep talking about. Yes, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah and their their face cream is like their product but sofia coppola did it was that like roughly twenty seven thousand dollars i actually yeah he got me all three so it was it was like quite an investment it was but it's a lovely gift set thank you so much zach um i i've been i i like doing the videos in that room i people are like the lighting is weird i don't think the lighting looks good it it does kind of look like you've passed on to the next you know like to the great cinema exactly

exactly the essence i'm going for i am the spirit of movies um okay i had two sub categories on this one that i wanted to check in the first i added right before we started recording because that's funny because you and bobby have very different perspective on the Mets in 2025 than what I took away from Juan Soto and the fact that you guys absolutely waxed the Phillies which that was like the first week Cy was born like Cy was born right before that series. And so, we were, like, I was just at home. And we organized our life around those Phillies-Mets games. And that was a terrible decision. So, I was sort of starting to fear the Mets.

Well, I don't mind sharing this. When Game 1 of that Phillies series happened, I was on a text chain with CR and your husband. And there was a first inning home run in game one against Kodai Senga. And it was a risky move to start him in that game. And your husband came right out of the shoot with some shit talking. Right out of the shoot. And I made a decision to not talk shit.

And I didn't talk shit when the Knicks beat the Sixers earlier this year. Let's just say that when it comes to New York sports teams, we owned Philly. We are not talking about the Sixers. I year. Let's just say that when it comes to New York sports teams, we owned Philly. We are not talking about the Sixers. I can't let that into my fucking life. The darkest time

of anyone's year is coming and that's February when the Sixers are on like NBA league pass. They're attempting to like recover their season right now too. The Knicks on the other hand

are the hottest team in the league. The Mets went on to win that series handily. One of the great baseball series of my adult life.

I loved it. I know Bob loved it. I know Jack loved it. The Juan Soto signing pure elation. Like magical. Something you never would have thought

could be possible for this team when they were owned by the Wilpons. Obviously great. I screamed about it on the pod. Since then they haven't done a whole lot. And so I'm not criticizing them because I think they're doing the right thing right now. But what I said to Bobby before we started recording

was, as of today, I don't think that they're a playoff team. That doesn't mean I think that they won't be a playoff team this year. It means they have a lot of work left to do. For example, Pete Alonzo is unsigned or someone who will fill his role. For example, they have five guys who I'm not totally sure are going to be good, competent starters in Major League Baseball this year lined up to start for them. It's a little iffy. Would you sign Pete Alonzo? I mean, grand slam aside. For the three years and $90 million that was suggested was an offer that they made in a heartbeat. I love that deal. Anything beyond that, I don't think is a good idea. And I don't think it's something that David

Stern's their general manager would want to do. Yeah. But it's like right up until the Grand Slam, there was no way he was getting. I think 0% chance he was coming back. Yeah. In fact, I think I might've tweeted like moments before that happened. Like send this guy to the Hague. Even though I love Pete Alonzo and I've always loved him. So, you know, I don't know. Bobby, do you think that Pete will be back? Oh, I don't. I do think he will be

back and I think neither side will be fully happy, which is which is the definition of compromise when you're an imperfect free agent. Okay.

Probably like four years, maybe four or five years with a lower AAV. I don't know. I just want to say don't let me in with his doomerism.

I was going to say, I want your time check. Okay. You're feeling okay? I'm not. You're feeling grateful and me in with his doomerism. I'm not on that boat. Okay, you're feeling okay? You're feeling grateful? He said as of right now, the Mets would not be a playoff team. It's January 2nd. As of 50 games into

last season, they weren't going to be a playoff team. And it still turned out to be magical. So I think we just got to let go of all of that. The worst thing will definitely happen. What law is that? I don't really... I don't know. I don't follow these things. We need Science Corner for that. Let go of it of that. The worst thing will definitely happen. What law is that? I don't really, I don't know. I don't follow these things. We need Science Corner for that.

Okay. Let go of it. Leave it behind. Okay. We're a quarter of the way through this century, Sean. They will definitely win a World Series this century. Will you and I be alive? I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know. A lot of people lived and died without seeing the Red Sox win. A lot of people. That's true. A whole lot of Boston fans. So I guess I was alive technically when they won. Bobbyx win. A lot of people. That's true. A whole lot of Boston fans. So I guess I was alive technically when they won. Bobby has never been alive when they won.

We'll see. They're going to be fine, I think. I trust Steve Cohen. I trust David Stearns. I really need baseball season to come back. I'm very excited. Because I finally figured out my Dodgers situation. Let's go. Baseball is back in a big way.

I've been waiting for this. Culture's finally boomeranged around. It's only January 2nd. We have so long to go and so much garbage Philly sports before then. Okay. Final thing that I, subcategory that I want to check in on. So you published your annual best of 2024 list. I did.

This is the first time in several years that I haven't been like with you while you were hiding in another room. That's true. Publishing it, which I did like have a moment of reflection. Yeah. How reflection. Yeah. How wonderful. Yeah. What were the circumstances in which you published this list?

Well, like you, it's been a gauntlet of parenting over the last 12 days. So I literally had to beg off and be like, can you give me one hour? I just like to go do this so I can keep my tradition up. That's, you've done that every year. Yeah. Yeah. But this year was different because it was like more high stakes because it was like there's no cavalry.

There's no Amanda coming in to entertain Alice for an hour. Yeah, that's true. I mean, we were in the same boat. Yeah. So, yeah, no, I just said, can I have an hour? And I did. But I was more diligent about navigating it all year. Okay.

And so you've been arranging this and ranking this. So this is a ranking, right? It is a ranking, yeah. They're just, honestly, I respect it. You know, I look forward to this every year, if only to disagree with it. But there are a couple of things where I'm like, you're a real one.

And I'd just like to let you know. Please. I really appreciate that you've got Goodrich at 65 above, a film I still haven't even seen, above The Beekeeper, above Transformers above Saturday Night

can I tell you something about Goodrich you really liked it I really liked it I know everyone really likes it I just haven't gotten there

the person who made Home Again and the person who made this movie it's like they're two different people yeah well I don't know it's really well written

Michael Keaton is phenomenal I mean it has like it's obviously very like familiar and tropey. Yes. But as someone who, you know,

can respond to an elevated version of that, I think you'll really like it. Yeah. No, I'm sure I will too. Also, I love Michael Keaton.

By the way, condolences to that whole family that Charles Shire, Charles Shire. Oh, Charles Shire. Yeah, their dad. No, no, no.

To the Meyer Shire family. You know, I certainly don't want to make light of this in light of their loss, but it's hard to not watch that movie and not think about the fact

that the woman who made this movie has made a movie about her father or a father of some kind and her relationship to that father. And, you know,

it just kind of, it hit me in a new way. And I thought it was very good. We're talking about Good Rich is the name of the movie, which is available on VOD now. Haley Meyershire's new film,

which got a very limited release and probably would have been like a conversation topic if you were here. So when you see it, let me know. I will. Gladiator 2 at 100 is really funny. Yeah.

That's just years of magazine training. No, I know, I know. But it was really good and I wanted to let you know. I'm not, it was not a huge fan. Yeah. And then there were

a couple other things where I was really, I was proud of you for Trap at 26. Thanks. And a couple other things that were lower than I expected. And that seems rude to shout them out. But I'm proud of you for, I thought this was a good list. Thanks.

It's very sincere. I mean, I haven't seen your numbers one and two and you put Civil War at six, but that's okay. CR put it at number one. No, I know. And I got many shout outs and that was really funny. I like, I really enjoyed it. That was a great podcast.

Thanks. You guys did a good job. It was fun. We did miss you on that episode, but it was nice. Okay. Should we pivot? Yeah.

Okay. So we did talk about this quite a bit in 2024, at least three or four times, and we're definitely going to do it. We're going to do 25 for 25. We're going to count down across this year,

the 25, our favorite movies of the 21st century. The best, I think, is a little bit pointless. I think it's always the, yeah. This is a very, an emotional duopoly is how I would describe this show. Okay, okay. And so we will make common cause to reveal, I guess on a semi-weekly basis, one movie from the countdown. We'll go in order from 25 to 1. I'd like to do this starting after the Academy Awards in March. Are you on board with that?

I am. And you've shared your long short list. I just shared with you this morning a longer list. I haven't looked at it yet. The rules are minimal. Tell me how you feel about them in real time, because we have not in person had a chance to discuss this. So one, as I said, this is an attempt to capture our favorite movies of the period, which represents essentially our adult lives. I graduated from high school in 2000. You graduated from college in 06?

Correct. So, you know, we're looking at a pretty significant transformational period of movie watching. One film per filmmaker, which for us, a Taurus that we are. Is very hard. Big challenge. And then the movies must have just been released between January 1st, 2000 and December 31st, 2024. Some people might quibble and say the 21st century did not start with the year 2000. It started with 2001.

Yeah, we can't be a part of it. Those are pedantic discussions. We're going to say January 1st, 2000 is when this all begins. I think that's it. Is there anything else we should add to the framework of this project? No, because I tested this out with you over text. You know, I think, emphasizing that it is our list

as opposed to, you know, definitive, all-encompassing, because there are movies that even you, Sean Fennessey, have not seen. Tons I haven't seen. Obviously, we are both American, so we probably, we are, international's on the table, documentary is, we are, international is on the table.

Documentaries are on the table. Everything is on the table, but we're going to have our biases. So- And we're very Hollywood focused on the show. Yeah. So it's not pedantic to point out that it will, if you get mad at us for having like

a very Hollywood American list, but like- That's what we do. That's what we're doing. Okay. So we're not trying to speak for everyone. We're speaking for ourselves. Right.

And then I agree that like if I hear anyone lecture me on centuries, I'm muting them. Agreed. So it'll be an interesting project. Do you still feel okay with one per filmmaker? No, but I think it's a good rule to have in place so it's not super samey.

I mean, you're going to find me arguing with you about whether or not we need a third or a fourth David Fincher movie. And that's just boring. That's not a very compelling list. But, you know, Fincher and PTA right off the bat. It's just, you know, impossible. Spielberg, Scorsese. Spielberg's funny. You pick.

I saw your suggestion. I won't reveal it. That's an interesting choice, obviously. Well, what else is there going to be? If you're only doing 25. I don't know. His last two movies are spectacular. They are, but are we putting them in the 25 of all time? I think that you and I are a good fit for this project for a couple reasons. One, obviously we have very specific, discreet taste. Two, we have good intersections on our taste. Three, we were editors for like 15 years.

We're like, we're very strategic in thinking about what makes a compelling list. And so I think what we'll try, what I'm going to try to do is respect the presumed canon, respect my personal taste, and have some fun. I'm trying. You saw, I had some fun on my list. You did. Okay, I'm excited to look at yours. Okay, that will start, yeah, at some point in March. trying you saw I had some fun on my list you did okay I'm excited to look at yours okay um that

will start yeah at some point in March um I'm also scheming on a two-week break where you will be hosting the show without me so we can talk about that as well really yeah so you start thinking about your co-host I'm also there's gonna be a month where I'm yes I expect that but I need a I need a siesta I think I think it was very fun to be a civilian. I could use it. I mean, it wasn't fun in the sense that what I was doing instead was emotionally rewarding, but also exhausting. I'm not taking Si for my two-week siesta, just so you know. He started smiling, though. At me.

I know. It's really nice. Yeah. We have some good. Also, the side-by-sides of you with baby Knox and you with baby Si are very cute. It's like sitting with little Amanda and little Zach

I know alright should we do Golden Globes sure do you feel like interested in this show which we should say is hosted by Nikki Glaser

you know new owners this is I think the third year of the Todd Bowley ownership crew some shenanigans going on we don't really spend any time on that

it's always shenanigans yeah it's become a much more critically oriented show a lot of the voting body there's some 300 people i think are a little bit more high-minded than they used to be i did you pay close attention to the nominations when they were released i did well i read a list on my on my own time i didn't wake up uh and i listened to your podcast which i thought was very good with Joanna. Thank you again, Joanna.

Joe is going to join us on Sunday, by the way, to talk about the show. I have been thinking a lot about how they are the kind of, the Golden Globes now are the most kind of milquetoast, consensus-y, let's just skim off of what all the pundits and everything have been talking about. But also whether... It's well put.

They are... Whether it's all just, like, sort of confirmation, predictive bias that is gonna... They both have no perspective and also, like, matter a lot now. I totally agree.

And I don't know whether... I don't even think that's just because this year has no front runner. I think they may matter to pundits more than voting bodies. Okay. I think BAFTA, SAG, DGA

are more influential on the outcome of the Academy Awards. I think Globes is more influential on the way that we will discuss the Academy Awards for the next six to seven weeks. Now, it doesn't mean that they won't match because I think in the past couple of years, they have matched more because of what you located,

which is like, it feels like the voters are kind of looking at what the critics groups are saying and saying like, oh yeah, we should nominate the Brutalist in seven categories. Like in what universe was the Brutalist being nominated in seven categories in the Globes 10 years ago? Like something has kind of shifted there. It also wasn't even nominated at a lot of places,

including Independent Spirit Awards, Gotham's. Yeah, bizarre. The Spirit Awards thing is weird. It feels like very pointed that that movie was passed over. Anyway, setting aside even my taste and my interest in the brutalist that was an odd one but part of it is just because like the globes has so many nominees they have six nominees in every category plus they cut drama and comedy so it just seems

like you're getting like every movie yeah like there are snubs were like sure there were a couple of meaningful snubs right but not a ton of people on the cutting room floor there so it just feels like they're kind of like you said bringing everything in a big pot and then saying like let's let's pull out our onions and our garlic and see if this tastes good um the arrivo uh um but i like watching them i do too except for the tv awards which seems like kind of a way i guess it's kind of like a buffer time to eat. Yeah. You can just eat a lot of Twizzlers in that time.

I might get a lot of Twizzlers on Sunday. Can we order sushi now that I can eat sushi again? Yes. Okay, great. Yeah, where would you like to get it from? I don't know. I just like, you know, mom's night out. Maybe You Know Me Hand Roll will be open.

We can get that. Okay, that would be, no. I don't. Like I said, I've been. Fucking phenomenal. Yeah, shout out You Know Me Hand Roll. I wasn't really doing that for a year. No, so that part's nice.

I just had to Google who Nikki Glaser is. So is that something I'm supposed to know about? Who she is? Yeah. I recognize the name, but like... She's a roaster extraordinaire. Yeah, that sort of seems like... That's not one of your things.

Yeah. She's hilarious on the Tom Brady roast. I would even encourage you to just watch i did hear about that and i think she got booked okay in part on that i think she did she host f boy island too fuck boy according to her wikipedia page yes yeah which is a series that my wife has seen every episode of really yeah i leave rules uh i think she's very very funny i think she's also a good fit for the show okay because she's like pretty loose and cutting and brings that kind of a medium between Ricky Gervais and Tina and Amy. Okay.

You know? Great. So hopefully it goes well. She might drop a couple of like extremely mean jokes though. Okay. Which will be interesting to see how they're received in 2025. Do you think Blake Lively will be in attendance with Ryan Reynolds, who is nominated for cinematic and box office achievement? You want to start there? Should we start there? With cinematic and box office achievement? Yeah,

because then we can get that conversation out of the way. A really stupid category. Now, obviously, you guys have been covering this on Jam Session. Yeah, well, so we covered the first round. There were twin New Year's Eve lawsuits that we will be covering next Monday. Okay. So, It Ends With Us is not recognized in cinematic box office achievement.

Right. Which just seems crazy to me. Yeah. Given the size, I think that movie made $400 million internationally and it's,

you know, based on an extremely popular novel, but that doesn't mean anything. Popular novels bomb at the box office all the time. So,

the films that are nominated here are Alien Romulus, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, Deadpool and Wolverine, Gladiator 2, Inside Out 2, Twisters, Wicked,

and The Wild Robot. This is obviously a stupid idea for an award. It's just an attempt to get movies like Inside Out 2 and Twisters and Alien Romulus.

And Deadpool and Wolverine. And Deadpool and Wolverine. Starring Ryan Reynolds with a cameo by Blake Lively. Yes, in a Deadpool costume. Sure.

I assume Ryan Reynolds will be there. I assume as well but who knows? He was not nominated and like I said on the show

a few months ago Old Globes probably would have put him in here. I did notice that Rob McElhaney is presenting or was on the list

of presenters. Ryan Reynolds is not on the list of presenters. And they're the Wrexham people together, right? They are the Wrexham co-owners. It's that Inside Sunny guy? Yes. Okay.

Yeah, I don't know whether they'll show up. But it might. I think they should, is my opinion. Just means they're going to have to talk about it in some way, right? Will Nikki Glaser make a single joke about it ends with us? I wish, if they're in the room, she will. But I do. I welcome that moment.

Yeah. Would it be at their expense or would it be at Justin Baldoni's expense? I assume the latter. Yeah, so do I. So in that case, I'm like, well, it seems like a win. What a sordid tale. Some of the accusations are pretty awful. All of the onset stuff

which has then been somewhat buried by the I think like fascinating and very useful breakdown of the alleged smear campaign.

Well that first piece is not even about the allegations. It's about modern media tactics which is telling I think about where we are

in the world where I think the New York Times piece written by Megan Toohey about this kind of thing seven years ago would have looked a lot different. A lot different, yes. Nevertheless, if you listen to our episode about It Ends With Us, you know I'm not an expert in any of this stuff, and I don't really know what I'm talking about. So I have no opinion, frankly.

Right. Well, I mean, it is interesting how both that story coincided with it. It ends with us being available on Netflix. I, you know, I don't know whether that was intentional, though. It's probably not not though. It's a lot of very strategic people. Yeah. And a lot of it seems to be with filing at the end of the year. And I don't really know.

I'm not that familiar with California law and like statutes of limitations and whether there was like a legal reason that it all needed to happen in December um or whether they just didn't want whether they wanted to news dump it um especially like the two New Year's Eve suits but anyway yeah yeah what a mess um that we we were also kind of like what's going on here at the time? We did. But then also what's amazing is that no one really seems to have seen the movie but us and the 400 million people who are not opining online about it.

Just enjoying their Colleen Hoover books. I mean, yeah, I guess so. But it is really funny. As we identified, like, Justin Baldoni adapted this book, softened the abuse stuff, and then cast himself as the abuser. So, you know, that text was right there on the page. Yes.

Also, literally the host of a podcast about, like, modern masculinity and how to be a better man. That was something that he was doing. You know. I think that regardless, like, it feels like we are often living in a simulation when you start seeing things like that. Very strange story. Cinematic box office achievement. My prediction is that Wicked is going to win this category. Oh, really?

Yeah. I was going to predict The Wild Robot. You can predict it. Okay. I think that would be a nice win for it. Okay. I like that film. This is not right, but i'm gonna say it it felt to me like

that movie actually underperformed just a little bit at the box office the wild robot yeah now it's excellent i think it's in my top 20 on my i think it's in the top 15 on my year on list um i'm a huge fan of it i think it has a very 12 yeah i think it has a very strong chance to win animated feature but given how well liked it is given that it is also based on a very popular book, given that it's made by one of the most successful animation filmmakers of the last 25 years, its box office is not gigantic. This is not like an $800 million movie. It does feel, I do feel like parent core and family core are really jumping on it.

Yeah. As it's available so it's a movie that honestly but what is this award for is this for making money or is this for being good well that's why it's a stupid award cinematic and box office achievement what does that mean this movie made 324 million dollars i would guess this is the lowest grossing movie on this list okay just off the top of my head in fact i'm almost certain it is so so what you think you think that inside out i mean i guess you think that wicked will win i think wicked will win because they'll say that there's a challenge

there it's a musical it is uh you know a different kind of ip it's speaking to an audience it's not speaking in the same audience as deadpool and and Wolverine that shows out for these kinds of things it's not a sequel I guess it's a prequel of a sort okay that's fine rock with your prediction that's great

we're gonna get this stuff wrong because who the fuck knows with Globes I mean I have no idea I also just don't know what that award means and it's stupid but continue

I thought it would be fun then to go to supporting performances okay just to get these out of the way these are slightly more interesting categories than some of the other stuff

we'll go through so best performance by a female actor in a supporting role. The nominees are Selena Gomez and Emilia Perez. Ariana Grande in Wicked. Felicity Jones in The Brutalist. Margaret Qualley in The Substance. Isabella Rossellini in Conclave. And Zoe Saldana in Emilia Perez.

To me, this is between Ariana Grande and Zoe Saldana. And this is where I think I'm gonna go Globesey And say Ariana Grande So I went Zoe Saldana I like that we split But I think you're right It could go either way I've been percolating on

Like a weird Globes goes all brutalist Galaxy take Oh okay Which I don't think is right Yeah But if it's like Felicity Jones, Guy Pearce, Adrian Brody, Brutalist wins best drama, I wouldn't be shocked.

Okay. I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked. Then I'm not going to have a lot to say on Sunday night, but that's okay. That's fine. I mean, it will give you some indication of how the Globes is different now. Has Felicity Jones been campaigning at all? I don't think. Well, she's done a lot of group stuff.

Okay. With Brady, with Adrian. Okay. I haven't seen a lot of solo stuff. So she has been out there because I just like haven't really. She has. You know, you'll see in the movie, she has a very specific role. She's the wife. Yes.

And we're challenging the ideas of what the wife does in the movie. Yeah, sure. Okay. I didn't say that. Yeah. No one said that. Okay. So I'll go Zoe.

You'll go Ariana. Yeah. What if Margaret Qualley wins? I think it'd be great. It'd be super fun. You put Substance at 10 on your list. Yeah. I didn't know that you were riding that high.

It's a great movie. I love it too, but you were like being petulant about it. What do you mean? I think it was, the only thing I'm petulant about is whether or not it's really competing at the Oscars. Okay. The movie itself? Yeah.

Loved. Great. Super fun. Is it 20 minutes too long? Sure. Yes. Yeah, whatever. But that's the point,

you know? If it gets into the Oscars, forget it. I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. The Oscars are totally different. If everything, everywhere all at once

wins Best Picture. It definitely will get into the Oscars. It's just how many. It could get two nominations. It could get five. Makeup and hairstyling feels like a lock.

Everything else, we'll get there. We will get there. Mark Qualley would be cool. That'd be a cool win. Okay, supporting, best performance by a male actor

in a supporting role. Stacked category. Truly. A lot of my guys here. A lot of your guys. Yura Bor Borisov, Nora, Kieran Culkin,

a real pain, Edward Norton, a complete unknown, Guy Pearce, the brutalist, Jeremy Strong, the apprentice, Denzel Washington,

Gladiator 2. Now, historically, Too much. This is a, you haven't had a chance to speak on Denzel and Gladiator 2 yet. Maybe you will right now.

That's all I'm really, really going to do. Historically, this is a funky category for the Globes. You may recall when they gave Aaron Taylor-Johnson the win

for his role in Nocturnal Animals some years ago. I do recall that. When Michael Shannon was the clear supporting performance that should have been nominated and then I think was

at the Academy Awards and Aaron Taylor-Johnson was not even nominated. Okay. I think they also nominated Jared Leto for his performance in... Morbius? No.

Is it All the Small Things? That's a Blink-182 song. Oh, and that's also... Isn't that the name of... What's the... Killian Murphy movie that he... That's maybe also called All the Small Things. Anyway.

Small Things Like These? Yes. Yeah. Which I saw over the break. It was okay. The Denzel Washington. The Max only movie. Yes.

Whatever it is. He played a serial killer. He was okay in that. I mean whatever. Okay. Great. It appears it's called The Little Things. The Little Things.

The Little Things. Sure. Thank you. Thank you. That's a movie that everyone loves. Bobby, do you know the song All the Small Things? I mean, are you serious? I don't, listen, I don't.

That's a blink boy right there if I've ever seen it. Well, I just, you know, I don't know when it cuts out. So I'd like to check in with you. No, like, pop punk is, like, firmly my scene. Vans, Warped Tour, like, that's my shit. Yes, I'm in there. Love it. Okay, good.

One of my worst takes is that I think Dude Ranch is the best Blink-182 album. I don't think that's one of your worst takes. I think that's a defense. Because everybody loves them from that point on, but Dude Ranch, that's kind of my thing. Which one is that one? It's their breakthrough, I would say. But it's not the mega selling. It's the one with Damn It.

Oh, okay. Sure. 1997, I was 14 when this album came out. Sick. Okay. Not like it was targeted

at you or anything. Yeah, it hit pretty good. Kieran Culkin is going to win this? He is going to win. He's going to win every award all the way down. I want to ask you how you feel about that.

I'm... I, too, liked Succession. succession i guess and i guess everyone did and didn't get a chance to vote for him because they are movie voters like what are we doing didn't he win he did he's for succession sure but i guess you know if you're in the Academy of Motion Pictures, maybe you're not an Emmy voter as well. I don't know. Like, he's great. I love him. I thought he was good playing himself in this movie that I liked, but I'm not as high on as you and Joanna.

Okay. No, I mean, I think it's, it is good. And I had a nice time watching it. And there was something reassuring of like, oh, they're still making Sundance movies like this. Yeah. I think there are some obviously fixed limitations to that movie I think with movies like that it's about as good as we get these days and I felt I felt that the first for me at least and I felt that the first time we saw it and it was very much when I have listened you know Jesse was on the show and then listening to Jesse a lot doing

the rounds promoting the movie. It's clear that he keeps identifying himself as a playwright. And it's very much a play. It's got six characters. They're on a journey. The scenery is not everything. Obviously, there are a couple places that the film visits that are essential and crucial location-wise. But if you think of it in this kind of contained way,

I think it works a little bit better. I agree that Kieran Culkin, if not playing himself, is playing a very familiar Kieran Culkin archetype of like nervy, talky, little scary, little sad, motormouth. Like that's what he does. He's the best in the world at it. He's literally, he's Kieran Culkin, right?

He's, everybody likes him. Everybody thinks he's good. He carried succession at it. He's literally, he's Kieran Culkin, right? He's, everybody likes him. Everybody thinks he's good. He carried succession at times. All of these other performances to me are fascinating and great in many ways. All of them. I think that even Edward Norton, who I like to joke about on the show,

but who was like basically my favorite actor from 1995 through 2005, I think is like fantastic and complete unknown you're a borisov we raved about and anora he's like the soul of that movie yeah um guy pierce i'll wait for you to see it i think it's like yeah it's him doing in many ways a culmination of like his on-screen persona um jeremy strong did you see the apprentice not yet i was as i was looking at this i was like oh i gotta watch it because i didn't of like his on-screen persona. Jeremy Strong. Did you see The Apprentice? Not yet.

As I was looking at this, I was like, oh, I got to watch it because I didn't want to, you know, it came out two weeks before the election. You and Brian did an episode

about it, right? And you were like, you know, more innocent times when you were like, will this matter? I forgot to thank Brian who did two episodes with me too.

Yeah, that was a while ago. Yeah. He liked it more than I did. Right. But both performances are great. We'll get to Sebastian Stan in a minute too. And that's a very transformative, method-y kind of performance, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Denzel, who's just having a ball, who carries that movie. I mean, I don't even imagine the movie without him now. Yeah. I guess it's time to talk about that movie since we're not really going to talk about it. You were keeping the faith for a long time.

That it would be good? Yeah. Well, I wanted to have fun and I did have fun. You know, I went at 10 a.m. by myself, like, you know, mom's morning out. And it was like incredibly sloppy. Just, just both, which doesn't make sense in the sense that they had a playbook for what that movie was going to be and it was the first gladiator um but yeah just everyone's in a different room at some point like talking and i guess they edited it all together i also did not know that those were intended to

be baboons until i listened to you and Chris talking about gladiator two. You thought they were just ancient monsters. Yeah. I thought it was like a, a weird, like mythical mammal that had since gone extinct or was like Ridley's imagination of what an animal would be. Um,

but so that's tough CGI. I'm general. I'm out on CGI animals. Okay. 2024 and in 2025, we should make our in and out lists for animals. Okay. In 2024 and in 2025. We should make our in and out lists for 2025. Let's do it. For a future episode.

Let's do it on the anticipated movies episode. Yeah. But Denzel was very good. I agree. He's very entertaining. Also, I think that you guys were a little too hard on Paul Meskel. Terrific actor who I thought was miscast. Oh, you know, I was rooting for him.

Okay. Okay. Cool. He's just like in a jail cell with a folding chair that they got at Ikea for like two hours. And he's just being like,

whoops. I was on a text chain recently with some friends talking about this and whether or not he was right for the movie or not. And my suggestion was, and this is going to seem

a little absurd, but do you know who Alan Richson is? No. He's a reacher. He's the new Jack Reacher on Amazon. Oh, you want to see that guy?

The guy from Fast X. If that guy could do a credible fake British Roman guy accent. Yeah, but then that's just 300. Paul Maskell's just looking

a little scrawny in there to me wow i see i mean is this like is this like did bobby get to you like bulking wise in the yo i don't agree i think paul mescal the build looks it's just his disposition is small internal he's like a sad boy you know he's like a boy like russell crowe is a man. Obviously, Alan Richman didn't know that he's not a boy. But he is a boy. He's, you know, he's Connie Nelson's son. He's Lucius. He's a boy.

He's the prince. The prince of Rome as he yells like 45 times. Yeah. Alan Richman's body looks like too manicured and bodybuildery to be that. Yeah, I don't like it. That's not part of my...

Russell Crowe, he looks like a guy that... Obviously, he's absurdly jacked and a gladiator, but he looks like a guy that you could run into on the street. Same with Paul Meskel. I think that their bodies look pretty similar.

Okay. Yeah. I really disagree with that. Even though I am trying to join the protein club in 2025, Bobby. I thought you're already in the club as far as I'm concerned. But it's like, you know, it's so depressing. You turn 40 and then you go to the doctor and they give you the speech about like, you know, it just clicks. And suddenly I have to do resistance training and I got to like get up my protein, you know, for like bone health or whatever.

That's fine. I'm thriving. But I was in the protein club, but now I am making it a point of focus. You slipped a little bit? Yeah. Yeah, well, sure. It it was the holidays but here's the thing i'm not doing any any powders i don't believe in that i believe in naturally occurring protein okay what about cocaine you're starting to sound what is does that sound am i a little uh seed oily not necessarily i think a lot of people believe in the whole foods um being better for you.

That's probably pretty proven science. But if you go too far down this road, you might be in the Yossi Salik zone, which as Sean can tell you is a dangerous game

to be playing. I've heard tell. Yossi Salik and I haven't been on a podcast together. It's happening soon. It needs to happen. Maybe we can just

have protein club. I believe she specifically requested joining you to discuss the new bridget jones film oh wow which is do you know what happens in that movie no i don't know you haven't read the book do you want me to tell you do you in what universe have i read like the fourth bridget jones have you read the first bridget jones novel have you not would you read it would you read it for me for it what's gotten to now. Like, go back 90 seconds.

What did you think was happening? Did you think I was going to say, of course I read it. I loved it. Oh, my God. Bridget Jones 4? Incredible. Okay. I guess not 4.

But you really haven't read the first one? The first Helen Fielding novel? No. If I give it to you, will you read it before Bridget Jones is? I'll read 12 pages. No. You have to read the whole thing. It's a lovely book. No. It's really funny. I'll read 12 pages. No, you have to read the whole thing. It's a lovely book.

No. It's really funny. I've seen the film. It's different. I like the film. It's different. I almost put it on my long list, by the way. But then I found another movie to fill the slot that I think is more important.

Bridget Jones's Diary because it's 2001. Well, that's an example of a kind of movie I would love to keep in the mix. Well, but there's another movie that actually needs to be in the mix instead. Okay. I think I know what you're talking about. You should read Bridget Jones' diary. I'll give it to you. I mean, I'm not going to do that, but I hear you.

Okay. I got you. Salute to you. Yeah. Congrats. And then Yassi and I can talk about protein. Yeah. She has a couple other things she wants to discuss with you, but I'll let you guys sort

that out. You guys are either going to be like the best friends of all time or maybe like eye gouge each other. We'll see. Should be interesting. Best motion picture animated. Okay. Flo. Inside Out 2.

Memoir of a Snail. Yeah. Moana 2. Wallace and Gromit Vengeance Most Foul. And The Wild Robot. Foul with a W F-O-W-L It's about chickens

It is I've seen the film So how many of these have you seen? Two? One Inside Out 2? Yes

You haven't seen Wild Robot? No That could be like a good Knox movie It's not because it's not like junky Everyone says

that it's like really emotional It is very emotional and like lots of crying and I It's such a crazy parent movie. No, but I'm still so... Yeah, it would hit you hard, I think. You know, all of the... It's really

well done. The protective layers are really off the first couple of months. So I don't think I'm ready for it. But I mean, obviously, I'll have to see it before the Oscars. Okay, so you're kind of flying blind here. Yes. You know, which in some ways is just being my most honest self uh wild robot again so i picked flow you picked flow now okay this is probably my biggest reach and i think i'm

reaching towards kind of in that brutalist galaxy brain hive where i'm like it could happen the globe's a little bit snootier than i than we think they are and if they choose flow i think that will tell us a lot about how they think about some of these things. The wild robot feels like the safe choice and probably the right choice,

but I'm going with Flo. Okay. Have I hedged enough? Yes. Best motion picture. Flo is about a cat. Flo is about a cat and a series of animals.

Right. A dog, a capybara. Is it going to make me cry? I don't think so, but it's very interesting it's it's essentially silent it's or it's there's not there's no dialogue okay it's just the animals he would be entertained by it yeah okay yeah it's just not antic and crazy animation which i know you appreciate like it's much more um experiential um there is an aspect of it that is almost like a screensaver, which is good and bad. That might really work for us. You should try it. It's a beautiful movie. I think I'm going to have

the filmmaker on the show later this month. Best motion picture, non-English language. So you're a little behind on these as well. I've only seen Amelia Perez. Okay. So the nominees are Amelia Perez, All We Imagine is Light, The Girl with the Needle, I'm Still Here, The Seed of the Sacred Fig, and Vermilio. Amelia Perez. That's what I chose as well. Yeah. The movies that are the like official chosen international features this year that are competing in all the awards races didn't really hit with me very well. And there are a bunch of international films that I loved from this year,

but for whatever reason, this crew, this crop, The Girl with the Needle is quite interesting. Very, very, very hard movie to watch, and I'm not sure it's a good time for you to watch it. Okay, that kind of needle. It's worse than you can ever imagine, honestly. It's very grave. It's from Denmark. But the cinematographyography in it black and white is beautiful i wouldn't be surprised if it got like a little bit of a

nudge over the last couple of months even though all we imagine is light and see the sacred figure are very very well reviewed and the brazilians love i'm still here and they're pushing for it very hard on social media which you will find out soon when you start sharing on Blue Sky. Okay. Oh, the Brazilians are? They're a spirited base supporting the film. I'm still here. No, no, no, no, no, no. They are big on Blue Sky as well?

I think all social media. Well, I mean, I know that. Anywhere where the international feature film race is being discussed, they are there. Okay. Best original score the brutalist daniel bloomberg challengers trent resner and atticus ross conclave volker bertelman dune part two han zimmer amelia perez clement ducal and camille and the wild robot chris bowers so one dune part two is not eligible at the academy right but wicked is but Wicked is. But Wicked is. Okay.

I don't totally understand that. People insist that there's a lot of new music in Wicked. Maybe that's the case. I don't know. Okay. I went with Daniel Bloomberg for The Brutalist. I know you've been talking a lot about how beautiful it is. It's just massive.

Okay. More is more. And it helps the movie. It thrusts the movie forward and it's a very long film. That being said, I could see anything winning here. Yeah.

I'm sort of at a loss. We re-watched Conclave over the break and I was like... Right. The score is really good. Pretty good. And it does have the three or four note motif

similar to the... Is it the same person who did the score for... All Pride on did the score for All Pride on the Western Front, which was a very good score. And you could see a world in which Conclave is like clearly on everyone's minds, but maybe they throw it about. Yeah. Where does it win? Yeah. Could be some killers of The Flower Moon situation there. Obviously, Challengers' score is the score of the year for you and for me. Agreed.

Just absolutely rocks. Did I tell you I got a tennis racket for Christmas? I heard yes from your husband. Right, because then we had to get one for Knox. That's why I heard, yes. I got like a nice tennis racket and Zach was like, Knox, you may not touch it because it's you can't ruin it did you get a Toshi Duncan official racket or no I I don't even know I should ask him what the make is but it's what Roger Federer uses so or used past tense which is sad anyway yeah um so I'm going to try

to take tennis lessons I fully support that maybe you should just choose challengers okay you want to go with challengers you don't want to talk more about my tennis lessons I I fully support that. Maybe you should just choose challengers. Okay. You want to go with challengers? You don't want to talk more about my tennis lessons. I actually need a tennis instructor. Do you think that there's like a tennis pro who listens to the big picture who lives in Los Angeles? You're about to find out. Like seriously, I can't, I literally cannot serve. So you have to be really patient. I'm also, I'm told like not a great student. No. What? Especially when I'm bad at things. Uh-huh. But I would like to try. Okay. Okay. I wish you luck.

Challengers. You're going Challengers. Yeah. I'm going with The Brutalist. Best original song. Our favorite category. Here are the nominees. Beautiful That Way from The Last Showgirl. Compress Repress from Challengers. Which one is that?

It's like the last song. Before Match Point? Yeah, it has lyrics that were written by Luca Guadagnino. It is a Reznor and Ross production. El Mal, which is one of the songs from Amelia Perez.

Which one? It's the one that, I believe it's the one that Zoe Saldana performs at the beginning of the film. When she's sort of walking through the streets. Sure. And everyone, yeah.

Actually, no, maybe, actually, I think it's the one at the gala. Yeah, I think it's that one. Okay. Forbidden Road. They're not going to have her do that again at Golden Globes, are they? I hope so.

Okay. I mean, listen, Zoe Saldana can act and can dance and like it's a show person and i have known that since center stage but continue okay um forbidden road which is the song from better man was this actually was this this i think this was removed from eligibility because it had been previously used elsewhere so So I'm going to take this off. This is the Robbie Williams song from Better Man but I don't think

this is eligible anymore so they've taken it out of the mix. So it's not eligible at the Golden Globes? I believe so. Okay. Oh no, no, no.

Maybe it is at the Globes but it's now taken off the short list. That's what it was. Sorry, I've gotten that mistaken. And then Kiss the Sky which is the centerpiece song from The Wild Robot by Maren Morris.

I chose Kiss the Sky. Okay. From The Wild Robot, which is frankly a banger that we play in our house. I think I'm a Maren Morris fan. Okay. She's good. I guess I'll go with El Mal just to make it interesting. Great.

I have to say the songs were not my favorite part of Amelia Paris I think they're mostly bad they're really bad yeah I think the choreography

in that movie is pretty good yeah yes I would agree that it's of at least of using the camera

and and the and setting like a mise-en-scene um what'd you think about the uh sequence in the hospital oh right when they're singing about i mean that was funny at least or maybe not funny i mean it was a little funny very camp uh very camp and over the top and you know it's like oh you're doing a thing here yeah which to me made more sense than like Zoe Saldana

just like being a lawyer, singing a bad song about being a lawyer or whatever. Or, you know, and then... There was a lot of that. And it's like a lot of time spent of being like, is this like random lawyer going to figure it out through bad pop songs? I'm not sure.

Turns out, no. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Turns out no. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Best screenplay. Okay. Nominees are Emilia Perez, Enora,

The Brutalist, A Real Pain, The Substance, and Conclave. The Substance. Really? I think that this is where they'll give it their thing.

Well, this is, one, it can. And that's the other. I wouldn't say it's screenplay is its strength. No. I would agree with you. Okay with you okay but again like throwing a bone to something that they like and the idea of it and there are others who are not us who think that it is a searing insight into the problems of 21st century femininity i suppose okay. Okay. I went with Enora.

Okay. I mean, that's the other one that makes sense. You know, this is kind of a funky category. I think A Real Pain could compete here. Sure. You know, Connick Lave is an adaptation, so I find that to be kind of an odd nominee in this category.

But anyway. Okay, best... Let's get into the heavy categories now. Best performance by a male actor in a motion picture, musical or comedy? Now, this is a funky one. but anyway okay best let's get into the heavy categories now best performance by a male actor in a motion picture musical or comedy now this is a funky one

because I'm not sure if any of these people are going to end up in the Oscar race and this happens sometimes the nominees are Jesse Eisenberg for Real Pain

Hugh Grant for Heretic Gabriel LaBelle for Saturday Night Jesse Plemons for Kinds of Kindness Glenn Powell for Hitman and Sebastian Stan for A Different Man whichness Glenn Powell for Hitman and Sebastian Stan

for A Different Man which I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed Sebastian Stan won at The Gothams The Gothams did he win at The Gothams

or did a different man win at the I know it won maybe a different man won Best Feature yeah Jesse Plemons won Best Actor at Cannes

Hugh Grant is winning my Instagram algorithm. Really, really great stuff. You haven't seen this one yet, right? No, I watched it. Oh, no, you did. You told me on Christmas. And you enjoyed the first two-thirds like so many of us. Sure. Yeah. As I said to you, I think

it was a little less revelatory for me because I do consume all of the content of Hugh Grant just being weird and charming and talking a lot. And that movie is him talking in rooms. Is he lecturing people about Radiohead, though? No, primarily about the traffic patterns in London and how the Tory government failed

the UK, which seems to be true. So really, really, really good Twitter feed. the Tory government failed the UK, which seems to be true. So, um, really, really, really good Twitter feed. And then also doing shots with Travis Kelsey at the heiress tour. Um, that's what he's talking about.

Okay. And, uh, and how much he likes being a dad. That's nice. Yeah. I can relate to that. Um,

who do you got winning here? I think I read this last night, got stumped. It was like, I don't know. I'll wing it. And then didn't think about it again. Jesse Eisenberg? That's who I have as well.

Okay. I think he's going to win, and that's interesting. Yeah. Because does that mean maybe he has a chance to get nominated? He is. How much does the Academy like this movie or something? I have no idea. I can't really tell either.

I'm surprised by how out there he is for this movie, which is possibly not surprising in the sense that he wrote and directed it and you want to sell something that you're proud of. But I always, I haven't thought of him as like promo guy. And he's in every junket. He was

on Table Manners, which is the Jesse Ware and Lenny Ware, her mother, wonderful podcast. But like, he's doing everything. He is. His WTF episode is excellent

if people like that show. You know, he's obviously a brilliant guy and a great talker, but you're right that he doesn't usually go out of his way

to flood the zone. My suspicion, I have no fucking idea. My suspicion is he was very happy to see the positive feedback for the film out of Sundance and was like, okay, I'll put my weight behind this is he was very happy to see the positive feedback for the film out of Sundance and was like,

okay, I'll put my weight behind this because he's very happy that people seem to like the work so much. And he's written a lot of screenplays, he said, and he's only directed two movies. So him winning here would be, there could be some interesting knockdown effect on that. Okay, best performance by a female

actor in a motion picture, musical, or comedy. Amy Adams in Night Bitch, Cynthia Erivo in Wicked, Carla Sofia Gascon in Amelia Perez, Mikey Madison in Enora, Demi Moore in The Substance, and Zendaya in Challengers.

This may be the last time I'm able to say the word Night Bitch on this podcast. I saw Night Bitch. Yeah, and you were what on it? I liked it more than I think you or I thought I would. Yeah.

I would say that our expectations were below this table. Okay. Because historically, I have not responded to the films of Mariel Heller or Amy Adams or Mom Corps or dogs. Yeah. So... Yeah, wow. Wow. Kind of a tic-tac-toe-toe for you.

You and Joe and Rob did a great episode, and I agree that the genre, the dog thing, it didn't work. It didn't land. I also didn't totally understand the setup, besides the parent and the mom stuff was insightful. And, and, and as you said, like comes from, I, I recognized it and I recognized some of it in the, you know, there's a great monologue where she's talking about, I know that everyone will tell me that I shouldn't have held it, held him when he was a baby because now he won't sleep by himself. But he was just so cozy and something. And I had all the moments. I'm like sleep training right now. And I was like, yeah, you should not have held him.

But then how can you, you know? So it was definitely engaging and very specific. You know, I've been at baby music class too and felt the way that she felt. So I give it credit for that. I like, I said it on the show, but

there's just not a lot of movies about this. Yeah. And it's something that millions of people experience every day. Yeah, you said on the show

you theorize that it's because people just like don't want to be around it and I, like once you've done it, you don't want to revisit it. Memory hole it, yeah. I mean, I'm so glad to be've done it, you don't want to revisit it. Memory hole it, yeah.

I mean, I'm so glad to be here and not, you know, for the same thing. So I think that that had a lot of truth. The last thing that I want to do is watch or, you know, make art about. I think one aspect of it, too, is that a lot of women who want to make films don't want to be put in the box of you're making a film about this thing that men don't understand or don't relate to and you know for many years in the movie business like women had a certain kind of a job and right yeah and they were trying to break convention and they could hang with the guys or whatever the expectations were and so now we're in a time where like in theory there's a little bit more balance between couples in parental relationships.

And so this is, like, this kind of movie can come to the surface. But, like, I couldn't think of any other movies that are about raising toddlers. Like, look who's talking. Like, there's no movies about this. Here's the thing, other, also, is that it's not totally about raising a toddler. As you pointed out, as Eileen, your wife pointed out, like that is a basically angelic toddler. The toddler is too good. And Joanna made a really great point about how this is,

this is really the woman version of how do I like be an artist and the struggle of being an artist. Kind of a brutalist sequel. Sure. So, you know, and I understand everything that you said about female directors not like wanting to be siloed. And so you don't even want to touch that like this actual topic. You would have to, you know, metaphorize it. But I'm still waiting for the great like Toddler is a Demon. I mean, I guess it is like every horror movie.

It has been shunted off to the imaginaries of the world. But they are just... They can be tough. It's amazing. Yeah, they can be tough. I was telling you a year ago, I was like... Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. But it's just, it is like another otherworldly figure

like takes over and you're just like, wow, this is insane. We're getting through it. Yeah. Best performance by a female actor in a motion picture drama. Mikey madison uh yeah mikey madison yeah i think she's gonna win i if you told me to me one more one i wouldn't be shocked yeah she has the coveted gwyneth paltrow defying academy rules endorsement um in order to post on instagram i don't know whether Gwyneth has been sanctioned

but by whom the Academy and how would that happen so Gwyneth was one of the like would she be banned it was Gwyneth

and your beloved Edward Norton who were patient zeros in the Andrea Risborough affair but that is like literally

and honestly I do think that Gwyneth's Instagram post about Andrea Risborough was from a private screening. And Demi Moore was also in the picture. So, and then she posted on Instagram recently being like, get this woman a nomination for The Substance. Which you're not.

Listen, we read the rules. You're not supposed to do that. Yeah, but Gwyneth is too powerful. And I love her forever. Okay. Demi Moore could win. I think Mikey Madison's going to win. I think she's on a track to do that. Yeah, but Gwyneth is too powerful, and I love her forever. Okay. Demi Moore could win. I think Mikey Madison's going to win. I think she's on a track to run the table here.

We'll see. Female actor in a motion picture drama. The nominees are Pamela Anderson for The Last Showgirl, Angelina Jolie for Maria, Nicole Kidman for Baby Girl, Tilda Swinton for The Room Next Door, Fernanda Torres for I'm Still Here, and Kate Winslet for Lee.

So unlike the male acting categories, I think you're going to get a little bit of column A and column B if you're mixing drama and comedy or musical. How many would you say out of the drama nominees will make their way to the Academy Awards if you had to guess? Two? Maybe two. Maybe two. Maybe two. Now, my pick is indicative of who I think is going.

So I'm choosing Nicole Kidman to win. That's exciting. That could be way off. I don't really know. I do think I have Nicole Kidman on my big bet because with the Oscars, the money is always bet on Nicole Kidman. I still haven't seen Baby Girl.

I'm so excited. I was supposed to go and everyone in my house got sick. I'm going to see it before we record next week. I mean, Harris Dickinson. We don't need to talk about it. There's a lot to report on. We don't need to talk about it. But I haven't seen it.

Now, there's certainly a world here where Angelina Jolie wins. Yeah. And she continues on in a very kind of like focused, tight campaign, which is what she's doing. Sure. You saw also that there was a New Year's Eve divorce settlement. I did not. That's finally done. The Angelina Jolie- Brad Pitt divorce has been legally, and they announced it on New

Year's Eve as like a, you know, a dump. Okay, great. Anyway. I'll read through all that documentation when I finish this episode. There wasn't any documentation. It was just a statement from her publicist. Okay. Closed matter.

Her campaign continues to pace. I think Nicole Kidman is going to win. Who do you think is going to win? I really don't know because I've only seen Maria,

which I'm really embarrassed about. Do you like Maria? No. It's so boring. I also, I liked the apartment. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Great production design. Yeah. There is a conversation to be had there and about Angelina Jolie's performance and maybe we can have it if she does get nominated. Should we do it off mic?

No, if she actually gets nominated for an Oscar. Do it in a quiet alleyway where no one can hear us. With me on like every single pain medication known to man all at once. Yeah. And giant glasses. Yeah, I mean, I think.

I mean, but listen... I think she's good in the movie. I like the movie, but I like that project. I'm interested in that project. The, like, museum piece of 20th century women. I like the project as well,

but the Wikipedia page that I read during the slow parts of the movie was way more interesting than whatever was in the movie. Okay. I think it's meant to be dramatizing a woman in a daze.

Yeah, but he's done that several times. And the first time was good, primarily because of Natalie Portman's just absolutely insane voice. And then Peter Sarsgaard, Peter Sarsgaarding as a Kennedy in the corner.

Both great. Yeah. I'll take Angelina Jolie just for interest. Okay, great. Best performance by a male actor in a motion picture drama. This is Bloodsport. The nominees are Adrian Brody for The Brutalist, Timothee Chalamet for A Complete Unknown,

Daniel Craig for Queer, Coleman Domingo for Sing Sing, Rafe Fienines in Conclave, and Sebastian Stan for The Apprentice. Now, I think the first five names I just read are the nominees for the Academy Award. A lot of really good performances here. A lot of people really working for their Oscar nomination.

So, Adrian Brody, of course, has been out in full force. Shirtless on the cover of New York Magazine. He's promoting. He was on this show last week. Daniel Craig, doing what he does. He's also promoting the movie pretty aggressively. Not a lot of people have seen Queer,

but there are high marks for his performance as a kind of William Burroughs stand-in. He is now one of the faces of Loewe, which is one of Jonathan Anderson's brands. And Jonathan Anderson did the costumes for both Queer and Challengers and is a major designer. Coleman Domingo, the Sing Sing campaign has restarted. It's being re-released this month. You did.

I think, obviously, he's beloved in the community as well. Ralph Fiennes has decided to start campaigning with Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper on the CNN New Year's Eve special. Sure, yeah. Like you do. Sure. It is very funny. He did the Demir meme and it was hilarious. I think he was also on Watch What Happens Live with Julia Pinoche. She also went into the Criterion Closet with Julia Pinoche.

Oh, they were doing reunion stuff? Yeah. Well, no, they're in a new movie together. Oh, they are? Yeah, which is called The Return, but is about a very

focused segment, I'm not kidding, of the Odyssey. We didn't even... I forgot to mention this. Yeah, you didn't respond to that text message. Both...

Well, the first... It was a day where you sent one text message that was just incredibly hostile that I was not going to respond to. But then the second one was a good one but then i was just busy um christopher nolan is adapting the odyssey yeah now i would say roughly 80 percent of the episodes we made while you were out was about what christopher nolan was going to do next cr cooked often um turns out what he cooked was spoiled rotten because he was wrong on all

accounts this is not a helicopter movie. It's not a vampire movie. It's not any of those things. So you don't know that there are no helicopters involved in this telling of the Odyssey. You don't know. I don't know. You don't know. It could be a modern day telling of the travels across land, time, Scylla, and Charybdis.

And then he has to fix it? Yeah. It's possible that that's his boat but I think more likely it's an ancient tale

okay you think it's set in it's contemporaneous with Homer you know what I'm not ready to

say I don't really know is Tom Holland Odysseus I assume it was Matt Damon okay good right I mean I hope I feel like Damon. Okay, good. Right?

I mean, I hope so. I feel like he's at a good age for that, actually. Yes. But, you know. And then I guess maybe Tom Holland is Telemachus? Precisely. That's what has been suggested. So, I would say I'm...

Who's Penelope? Not Zendaya. Not Charlize. Is Charlize in this? She is. Oh, interesting. Or Lupita. Oh.

Lupita and Yungo is also in this. Okay. So many fucking people in this movie. Okay. There's like a ton of movie stars in this movie. And I'm playing the Cyclops. I'm super excited. What if they just put the,

it's universal, right? What if the Cyclops minion is the Cyclops? Oh, that's a good bit. That's really good, right? Somebody's got to, yeah, you should save that for their marketing department.

I'm looking forward to it. You know, I hope it's good. Christopher Dolan, you know, sometimes it's great. Sometimes it's not. I was surprised. This is really in your core realm of interest. It is, but I don't know whether...

In fact, you gave a book of mythology to my daughter for Christmas. I did. A beautiful book that I know you were raised on. Yeah, if you don't know the Dolares Book of Greek Myths, it's really, really very beautiful. We zeroed in very tightly on Aphrodite, as you might imagine, given Alice's interest. We've read that page many times. Yeah, but I mean, I still can see that art in my head.

It's so beautiful. I think it would be cooler if this actually were a helicopter version of the Odyssey. A modern day. Yeah, in my opinion, if he is like doing his swords and sandals, like searching for my wife who is like alive this time. I mean the ultimate wife guy or dead wife guy. Yeah. Well,

I mean, there's another thing. I don't know. It might, it might tweak the parts of Oppenheimer that I found insufferable for me. Okay. But we'll see. Well, let's talk quickly about Timothee Chalamet.

So, obviously, he's on a press run for the ages, right? He's been on College Game Day. He has been doing meme content. He had help with that, right? I mean, an incredible performance, but... Here's what I'll say. I think he's making a lot of choices based on personal taste.

I think showing up on Theo Vaughn, I think... I watched last night his appearance on Nardwar. Am I familiar with Nardwar? Yes. And, you know, I'm a long-time music journalist, hip-hop head. I've watched many a Nardwar interview in my day.

This is among the best ones. There's a moment early on when Timothee Chalamet is handed a vinyl copy of an early Common single. Okay. I used to love her. Just his ode, his metaphorical ode to hip-hop. And hearing Timmy explain who Common is

and what he means to him and what he means to his heroes who were musical artists who were, to quote him, Kid Cudi and Lupe Fiasco. Okay. And what that era of Chicago hip-hop was, was like just fucking fascinating. Like just, there's no way that he like showed up on the Nardwar show with all of his Bob Dylan, you know, micro knowledge, which is what he brought to the show. And his New York hip-hop kid thing. And his theater kid thing. And his, like, nervy, shout out to this guy, shout out to this guy. Like, all of that, I could feel him doing a thing that he was comfortable and excited to do.

Yeah, of course. So, he did a bunch of things like that. And he's clearly been a consumer of the show. Yeah. So is he a huge college football fan? I don't know. Right. Obviously, a lot of people have said it's not hard to memorize stats when you're an actor.

But most of the hits that he's done, he's either been super high energy and funny. Yeah. There was that really funny interview he had with Saoirse Ronan. I don't know if you saw it on social media where they did a screening together and then they sat on stage and talked and told stories he's having a ball there and Saoirse is clearly over him in many ways um and there was one other one that I just watched one with um I think Vanity Fair it was James Mangold him and Monica Barbaro and they were breaking down a scene right and he doesn't say anything with the first seven minutes of a 10-minute video and And then at seven minutes,

he just, like, takes over. And I was like, whoa. He really is. He is the chosen one now. Yeah. Like, he's holding, like, $5,000 sunglasses, and he's wearing a polo rugby. And I was like, oh, man.

Like, it's not Leo, but it's, like, it's a contemporary version of that thing. And he has been. I know, I know. I've been calling like for I know I've just been feeling it so deeply now with this press run and he's obviously I mean you'll see the movie

but as well as you can do it I think he did it yeah so I think he's gonna win do you think he's gonna win the Oscar

or are you talking about your Golden Globe I think he's winning the Golden Globe I do as well I think he's gonna win the Oscar Oscar? Or are you talking about your Golden Globe? I think he's winning the Golden Globe. I do as well. I think he's going to win the Oscar. You think it's him for the Oscar? I mean, there's obviously a Ralph Fiennes, it's time case to be made.

And Ralph Fiennes is charming. He's very good in Conclave. Very good. Which is a movie I've seen twice. And that's kind of where, that's my summary of Conclave. It's a movie I like. It's a movie I like.

If you were like, Adrian Brody's winning again, I wouldn't be shocked. Right. He's giving a major performance, but he's already won. So I'm going Timmy. if you were like Adrian Brody's winning again I wouldn't be shocked right he's giving a major performance but he's already won so I'm going Timmy who are you going with

I am as well you're okay best director Jacques Audillard for Amelia Perez Sean Baker for Nora Edward Berger for Conclave Brady Corbet

for The Brutalist Corley Farge for The Substance and Pyle Kapadia for All We Imagine as Light I picked Brady Corbett. You did?

I did. Okay. I, for whatever reason, think that this body is going to be more pro the Brutalist than the Oscars.

Interesting. I don't know why I feel that. I think because it's more of a critical group and the Brutalist has obviously done very well with critical groups. It is a big statement.

Right. It's not necessarily a comforting oscar film so and i think just the idea like kind of what he how he pulled this off and how he mounted this big movie and this grand statement and did it independently um and it's a movie full of choices and not that the substance isn't or all we imagine is light isn't but it feels like the that feels like the pick for me i don't think i would say that about the academy awards right now i think if i was picking the oscars now i would probably pick sean baker yeah i think i'm going with sean baker here okay in part just because it's not fun to pick a movie i haven't

seen yeah and also because it is it's so weird that Anora is consensus. And also is starting to have that tinge of like we've been talking about it for so long and we think it's the presumed front runner for so long

that now we're like looking for other angles. Totally. You know? Totally. But I'll stick with Sean Baker. Okay. And a movie I love.

Best motion picture drama. The nominees are The Brutalist, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, Dune Part 2 Nickel Boys and the first time we were saying

this movie's name September 5 I keep forgetting to watch that I need to watch that I think you can see it at home Yeah no I know

It's pretty good Yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it That's one that I would watch with Zach Yeah

I think you guys will enjoy it I don't know if it's on the level of these other films that are in this category Right This is

These other films here are the this category. This is, these other films here are the best movies of the year. You know, I'm a little lower on A Complete Unknown and Conclave, but like Nickel Boys,

Dune Part 2, and The Brutalist. A Complete Unknown is 63 on your list? That might have been a mistake. Okay. Yeah,

because I, again, I haven't listened to the episode because I don't, I want to see it first. I'm way lower on it than Chris and Mallory.

Way lower. You are. They really, really liked it. But even I thought you were kind of like, huh. I think I was just because I don't I want to see it first I'm way lower on it than Chris and Mallory way lower you are they really really liked it but even I thought you were kind of like huh I think I was just shocked at how not a mess it was

right I think it's it's barely a movie okay it is a tremendous platform for those songs yeah

and and Chalamet and Barbaro okay terrific and and Norton too no I mean Brutalist, Dune Part 2 and Nickel Boys I think that's like

three of my five favorite movies of the year and the other three nominees are darn good so you're going to do Brutalist here I am should I do Brutalist or should I do Conclave I don't think Conclave is going to win it could I mean it could

I think it's absence in other categories I don't think Conclave's going to win. It could. I mean, it could. It could. I think it's absence in other categories. Like, it's absence in Supporting Actor, for example, is a little iffy. It is in the screenplay category. But they only have six spots for only. Yep. Who would you choose as the Supporting Actor? Who is your favorite supporting guy?

This year? No, in Conclave. Oh. Well i you know chuchi is is is doing great work i it is a war i needed a little bit more of that from him in the movie yeah i mean i wanted a little bit more of the politics uh for lack of you know and and the scheming. And I wanted a completely different ending. I mean, I just don't know

what it was, respectfully or not respectfully. Someone at a brunch yesterday that we were at suggested, what if the big reveal at the end

were revealed much earlier in the movie and that revelation was in the mind of the Ralph Fiennes character, which I thought was a cool idea. That's obviously different from the novel

that the film is based on. Yes. But I really liked that concept of how differently the movie would play if you had one character knowing the truth and that driving the narrative. Right. Unfortunately, like, what the truth is

feels a little... It's a little silly. Silly in terms of what, I don't like, I don't know what that book thinks that it's trying to say about gender. I don't, but that's the thing is, in movie form, it is just like, ta-da! Like, and then we're out, you know?

And because of that, you can't even really reflect on it in any way. You can't even really, you have to kind of like sit on it and think hard about what it wants to mean. Right. Whereas if a character was doing the exact thing I just described, I think it might have worked better for me. Totally. It definitely would work better.

But then, you know, I think my preference would be just to rewrite the book and then the movie so that it's a political conspiracy. You know, I kept thinking the twist, because I knew there was a twist, because you guys kept talking about some twist. And my mother, who is a book reader, she's not a book reader. I mean, she does read books, but in this case, I mean, she has read this book.

Yeah. Almost spoiled it for me, which I think I'm really, hearing my mother try to explain that plot twist is just not something that I needed to experience you experience her being like why would I see a movie I've

already read the book so that's what we're working with this is a hard tough moment yeah hard five minutes on Christmas

but I thought the twist was going to be that like the Pope was evil you know I thought we were doing like Nazi Pope again or something

yeah I just wish Edward Berger would remake the Da Vinci Code. That's kind of where I am. Okay. He's got a Netflix movie coming out pretty soon.

That sounds good. Is it The Da Vinci Code? No, no. It looks pretty good, Conclave. You know, when all the popes have umbrellas. Oh, the staging and the way it's edited is like, it's a silly movie, but it looks amazing. And the explosion with it.

Yeah, it looks great. Good job. I'm making a Renaissance painting in modern times. That was just a good idea. It looks great. Okay. So I've got the brutalist. You are going to go conclave or no?

I guess so. Okay. I will go conclave because I still have not seen the brutalist. Best motion picture, musical or comedy. This is our last category. Okay. The nominees are Nora, Challengers Amelia Perez A Real Pain The Substance and Wicked

I've chosen Wicked You're gonna do it? I have I don't feel good about it Okay I hope Maybe You know what?

I'll do it with you I'll do it with you because I maybe will do I did Sean Baker for director so maybe they'll do that The split Yeah, they'll do the split I have no

confidence in any of my picks will they give drama outlast or comedy or musical outlast it's a great question historically they do drama but this year maybe they'll do comedy it's the golden globes are totally made up even within the context of made up awards shows they can do whatever they want as they have made it clear year after year so sure put it last will there be more nominees for best picture in musical or comedy or drama let's see so you've got one two three four and probably nickel boys so you've got five out of six in drama i agree with you guys that nickel boys right now again i haven't seen it because i got to see it in the theater but it does seem like it's trending needs a little bit of a boost needs a little bit of a boost i did like i said on the show rolling out right it's rolling out in new york and la right now um it's gonna play really

well with the director's guild i don't know about the group at large because it's going to play really well with the Director's Guild. I don't know about the group at large because it's hard to sit through and I think it's going to be hard to stream. So if you're watching on the portal, I'm not sure. The idea of like

Nickel Boys and The Substance being two versions of narrative extremity that are very unlike anything the Academy ever recognizes makes me think that maybe there's something else

going in there and we're not thinking about it. I could be wrong. But that's always where we're wrong. The last few years, for sure. And the more avant-garde or, you know, more, frankly, original movies do get in at the expense of your complete unknowns. They have. They have. But I do think a complete unknown.

I was thinking recently of how, like, Michael Haneke's Amour had, like, four Oscar nominations and how, you know, like you're right that these things do sometimes. Remember how Zach and I went on an early date to see Amour? I was just thinking. And now you'll get to die together. That's so great. But, you know, I have told that story several different times on this podcast, but it is like, you know, the step up series or whatever, where like you check in with that story every five years and every five years into our marriage it really means something

quite different so let's circle back in five years on that one yeah musical Wicked

let's see Anora yes Amelia Perez yes two Wicked yes three I really do see a world where substance goes in

so to answer your question still more films from drama but I think you don't think a real pain substance goes in so to answer your question still more films from drama but i think you don't think a real pain's going in oh i forgot about that yeah one two three five and it could be five and five and just challengers on september five are the the ones that are left holding the bag i mean once again comedy here is doing. Are any of these movies comedies? I guess a real pain, which is a deep movie about deep trauma. The substance might be the funniest movie. I don't know all these movies.

Yeah, that's true. I know where obviously has that screwball thing in the 30 minutes, which is great, but like what a fucking gut wrenching movie at the end. That's true. Okay. Well,

those are our picks. We'll be back. I, I go oh for 20 i don't really care yeah you think you'll be fired if you do uh i don't know is amanda out if she goes over 14 honestly we should do that that'd be exciting it's a good good little segment for us um i'm gonna see bill shortly i'll ask him okay uh welcome back thank you we really missed you i i missed you guys i'm thrilled to be back bobby thank you for your work on this episode happy new year bobby happy new year bob you're very welcome amanda it's great to have you back um thanks for filling in it's been a lot of work to be a figment of sean's imagination he's just been talking to an empty screen for the last few months so it's great to have you back that's not true i was speaking to you and with you that's what you thought you know but i'm not real so sometimes

i do think that about this whole show yeah sometimes i'm like is this really happening i thought i was fairly normal throughout this episode yeah oh i agree yeah yeah i i think i need to be medicated in some ways i'm just like physically falling apart mental health is weakening by the day there were definitely i would say between 8 and 15 times during this episode where i went to reach for a word and the language just wasn't there yeah um remember those days well that's sort of been like a three month project for me but it's coming back

kind of a prequel to Amour yes okay cool great stuff we'll see you guys on Sunday thanks for listening