The Big Picture - The 10 Most Anticipated Movies of Summer 2024. Plus: Tarantino’s Pivot, Scorsese’s Sinatra, and Spielberg’s UFOs.

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Sean and Amanda discuss the news that Quentin Tarantino has shelved what was previously reported as his 10th and final film, ‘The Movie Critic’ (1:00). Then, they react to some development news for Martin Scorsese’s and Steven Spielberg’s next projects (12:00), and discuss the most anticipated movie of this upcoming summer (29:00). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Some of it is very exciting. Some of it is absolutely pulverizing. Actually, before we start, I wanted to mention, Amanda, we're doing a fun event this Sunday. We sure are. At the Academy Museum. Why are you announcing it now? Tickets are sold out. Well, because I just think it's cool to flex. It's very exciting. Yeah. We just did a pre-production meeting about this event that we're doing. We're participating in some movie trivia at the Academy Museum here in Los Angeles. And God damn it, I love movie trivia. We got to write our own round of movie trivia. And then we were fact-checked by the Academy librarians, which is like the greatest honor that I've ever had in my entire life.

Also, I don't want to spoil any of the questions, but I was very nervous. As soon as we got on the call and the lovely people at the Academy were like, yes, so we had like the full, the librarians go through it. And I was like, oh God, they're really, they're going to be mad about some of my questions. And they made it through. They were modest changes.

I think we did a good job in our question writing. We divvied up our duties. Our category is big picture favorites. Some classics of this show. But yeah, we're really excited to participate. If you're coming out, can't wait to see you. If you're not, maybe next time. You know, maybe we'll do more.

I'm available for all LA area movie trivia events that pay a million dollars. That's the only thing you're available for. That is, yes. LA area movie trivia. Are you screening a film? Are you doing movie trivia? Or will you watch my three-year-old? Those are the three things that I'm available for.

Otherwise, I'm not available. Wow. She is almost three. Almost three. I know. We're rounding up. That's really intense. We're heading towards three-nature in a profound way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, but that's emotional for me that she's turning three. Imagine how I feel. I mean, I do, but I'm just saying I can have my own moment. It's exciting. I was thinking actually next year at this time, if we were to do something like this, she could come. There would be no nap.

It would be perfectly fine for her to just come to the office and hang out. You're already going to give up that nap? We're getting close. Yeah. It's just about that time. Three and a half maybe is when it goes. So I'm going to let it ride forever. I don't blame you.

As long as I can. I don't blame you. A friend of ours was telling me she has a three-year-old who's still just fully in the crib. And that's great. That sounds nice. That's what I plan to do for as long as I can. We're still in the crib, but I don't know for how much longer. Yeah.

I've got a very independent-minded child, as you know. Right. Anywho, speaking of independent-minded, worst thing ever happened yesterday. So you didn't have a heads up? I had no heads up. I did not know this is happening. I have gotten intermittent information about Quentin Tarantino's 10th film over the course of the last year or so. I had heard a variety of things about this project in that time, some of which was reported, took me by surprise. I was very taken by surprise when the news came out yesterday

in a report by Deadline and The Hollywood Reporter that in fact the movie critic, what was purported to be the 10th and final film from Quentin Tarantino, is now not happening. It has been shelved by Quentin. He is moving on to another project. Now, this is a little bit of a tangled web and there's a lot of rumor and reporting colliding together, some revelations yesterday. For anybody who wasn't really up on this, if you listen to the show, you probably were, but anybody who wasn't really up on this, if you listen to the show, you probably were, but if you weren't really up on this, this movie was reportedly going to be, was reported, rumored to be about Jim Sheldon,

who was a movie critic in the 1970s for a porno rag called The Hollywood Press. And when the rumors first started coming out, there was like, oh, this could be Paul Walter Hauser. There was seemingly a fake rumor that the comedian Shane Gillis was going to be involved at one point. And then all of a sudden,

Brad Pitt was getting involved in this project. And then I heard a Tom Cruise rumor getting involved in this project. I don't know how true any of that is. And then the movie started moving. We all heard the Tom Cruise rumor. Film updates was circulating it. Yes.

Just like frequently. And you know, the Tom Cruise, Quentin Tarantino thing is something we've all wanted for a long time. And the movie just started to seemingly be morphing in front of our eyes. Also, Paul Schrader kind of squealed when he revealed that Quentin would be remaking a sequence from the film that he had written, Rolling Thunder. The great William Devane movie that actually Chris Ryan drafted in a 1977 draft.

So there's just all this stuff about this movie. It was going to start in 2024. No, actually, it's going to be 2025. There were LA tax breaks involved. And then now it's just gone. It's just off the slate and he's starting over again, reportedly. Haven't talked to Quentin. I don't know what's going on. I'm going to leave him alone, but this sucks. So you receive this as pure defeat? Well, I mean, presumably he'll make another film. Yeah.

I will say this every single time i've ever had the good fortune to talk to him every time i've said you got to drop this 10 movies thing man sure like i really i assure you there are literally millions of people who would be more than happy to have your 13th film just be okay and it not really be a problem um he's still a young guy look at and this is related to other news that we have to talk through today. That's all very true. Like,

we can go into our 70s now, even our 80s, and be great. So, in the short term, it's annoying. In the long term, it'll be fine.

Some people seem to think the movie critic might have been too modest a final film for him. I would argue that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is like, as perfect a movie as

you could have ended on, and he did it in ninth. So he's in a tricky spot with the 10 films. Had he announced the 10th before Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? He had been saying for a long time that this is something he wanted. I think it was 2012 when he first publicly discussed this strategy. So, you know, it just means that 2025 is a little less amazing than it was going to be. It's still going to have new PTA and IMAX, Jordan Peele, you know, a number of other, James Gunn's Superman, I'm sure you're very excited about. I saw some dumb photo of all of them, like reading Superman comics. Just release a fucking movie, you know?

I don't think it's been completed. And I'll see it or I won't. But like, how many updates do I have to get from James Gunn? I think it's going to be a long run here. I think you've got about 14 months. It has been a tremendously long run of a man just posting through it. Do you follow him on threads? Of course not. Okay.

Does that mean that I still, that I don't see any of this stuff? No, it doesn't because threads is just shoving whatever in. But I only look at the following tab on threads. Do you think that Quentin's next movie should be a massive epic, or is it better if it's a more intimate film? Honestly, I think Quentin should do whatever the fuck he wants. Including only making 10 movies, if that's what he feels like doing. Sure.

And I received some of this, you know, I understand that movies in a lot of ways are just bending the world circumstances to you. And if you can't get them the way you want them, it doesn't happen. But also maybe he was just like, I don't know. I don't want to do this one anymore. And that's what it sounds like. That's cool with me. Also, sometimes in creative pursuits, you get down the road with something and then you're like, I don't know if this is totally there. Imagine how I feel about this show now. We're eight years in here.

Think about how many of the films we watch where there was definitely a day when everyone was like, no, we don't got this, but we just got to keep going. That's so true. It's like 90% of them. So it's okay. I think that's a great insight. And I'm sure that that contributed to it. You know, the confusing thing about this story was that the movie kind of morphed

into like a Cliff Booth movie, which I had no idea that that had happened. Brad Pitt's character from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. That to me was something, I'm not sure that I needed another Cliff Booth movie. So I was kind of relieved. The movie critic and a film set in a set like scuzzy 70s Hollywood was very appealing to me because Quentin really I mean maybe nobody on earth understands that milieu better than him yes

so that would have been cool another Cliff Booth movie honestly go read the novelization of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood there's a ton of awesome Cliff Booth stuff in that. And that does also speak to the, if it's going to be his last movie, I understand. But if he were just making movies and this were just like a way to spend a summer, that would be cool. Yeah, you can imagine

that that had him thinking about it. I get it. But again, do whatever you want. So, Quentin doesn't have a movie. It sounds like maybe, and I'm not sure how much

I want to believe this story, but maybe Martin Scorsese has two movies happening. Sure. The first of which is, this is not the first time we've heard about this, but Martin Scorsese has long thought about making a biopic of Frank Sinatra's life. And the news that came out was that

Leo, who had long been rumored to play Sinatra, would be joined by Jennifer Lawrence, who would play Ava Gardner, of course, famously one of Sinatra's paramours. I think this is a great idea, but I also hate music biopics. And so I think the way to frame the idea, and I am borrowing this inside.

Neil Badaher is a critic who framed this in a review of The Irishman a number of years ago, where he said that there is a trilogy of critical gangster movies in the Martin Scorsese story. You know, it's obviously, it's Goodfellas, it's Casino, and it's The Irishman. In Goodfellas, it's like New York and the industrialization of organized crime. In Casino, it's the expansion into Las Vegas. And then in The Irishman, it's the expansion into unions and the industrialization of organized crime. In Casino, it's the expansion into Las Vegas. And then in The Irishman, it's the expansion into unions and the federal government. You could look at Gangs of New York as kind of the prologue to this story. And then you could look at a Sinatra story as the infiltration of the entertainment industry, that Sinatra,

his ties to the mafia, that you have this tapestry, this mosaic of stories that are all kind of interconnected with the same theme the same big idea and this would be the final this would be the conclusion to this story yeah but it a music biopic like and if it does that i mean as soon as you're casting jennifer lawrence at azava gardner which i think is maybe better casting than leo as frank which we can come back to interesting interesting but that it's just aviator vibes all over again. I had the same thought. And I love Martin Scorsese.

That's a good movie. It's okay. It's just okay. I mean, it's funny for the memes of you at the end, but it's just like, it's... In the context of his filmography, it's okay. Yeah. It's not a bad movie. In a normal movie, you'd be like, that's one of the context of his filmography, it's okay. Yeah. In most... It's not a bad movie.

In a normal movie, you'd be like, that's one of the better movies I saw this year. But we are on, I don't want to say borrowed time. Yes. But we're reaching the... We're in the red zone. Sure. We're on the nine-yard line here. Yeah.

Yeah. We got to get in the end zone. So, the reception of this news, the obvious joke, and one that's pretty good is, like, you really got to cast Ronan Farrow as Sinatra's son. I mean, as Sinatra, if you guys haven't seen that photo, obviously there are long-held rumors that I have. There's just a rumor. Okay, you're not breaking this news. I'm not breaking news. You've got the DNA test.

But that Ronan Farrow is actually Mia Farrow's son with Frank Sinatra. And there's some compelling side-by-side photo evidence. They bear striking resemblance. Yeah. I saw someone else suggest Mike Feist as young Sinatra. And I was like, oh. Well, he has something that Leo does not have, which is that... Youth?

That's just mean. It's coming for you. Be careful. I know know he does have youth no mike feist which we'll discuss when we talk about challengers it's just a wispy little man he's just a skinny little boy and so it's for natural for a really long time my point is that sinatra was a rail that was his whole thing was that he was this skinny guy with his big head and this incredible voice um and leo is a little bit older and a little bit thicker. And, you know, like I've met Leo, like he's a sturdy, tall guy.

You know, he's not small. Late phase Sinatra. He would be a better fit. Yeah. Still too tall though. But then now we're just into the, you know, music biopic territory. Frank and Ava Gardner though, that's 50s, 60s. Right.

So there's an incredible James Caplan biography of Frank Sinatra called The Voice, which spans his entire life. But the middle of that book is like the greatest nonfiction celebrity biography I've ever read because his life was just so fascinating from, you know, his rise and his fall and everything that's sort of like fake charted in the godfather and um if i would love it if they just focused on a narrow period of time obviously i prefer those kinds of music biopics i'm just a little dubious about this one because like no studio attached yeah no production company like both of this and the next project that were to discuss were like basically like there have been some meetings yes exactly it does have it did have that feel the other one is that um reportedly martin scorsese is making yet another film about jesus christ and the two the two actors who are who are the two actors who are rumored to play jesus well i thought that they're both attached to the film in some way

but we're just not sure who's playing jesus is this like a who's jesus who's judas situation well that's where the mind goes well there's a very very rudimentary understanding of the bible as we have but imagine the bible pods we will do in the run-up to scorsese's jesus okay so the two guys in the mix andrew garfield and miles Teller. I mean, just, this is my Super Bowl. This is remarkable that these two beautiful boys who have occupied a fascinating place in our minds in the last 10 years as actors, who I would say for both of them,

as much as I've loved them and loved the individual movies they've made, neither of them has ever quite gotten there for me. They've never quite had their thing where I'm like, you did it, you made it. They never quite had their Born on the Fourth of July. They never quite had their thing where I'm like, you did it. You made it. They never quite had their born on the 4th of July. They never quite had their, I don't know, what is the moment when Pitt, you were like, Pitt realized Pitt. Ocean's Eleven, maybe?

Something like that. They've been good movies. They've done interesting work. They both seem a little eccentric in different ways. Miles Teller, a little more bro-y. Andrew Garfield, a little bit more spiritual, a little weirder. Dating a professional witch? Yeah, so explain that to me.

So, according to the tabloids, that's a title that she's given herself, a self-proclaimed spiritual witch. I looked at her website, and it's, you know, spiritual healing, tarot cards, counseling, that sort of thing. She was photographed with Andrew Garfield on a double date at Nobu Malibu with Bo Burnham and Phoebe Richards. I see. So that was a CNBC situation. So that's what Andrew Garfield's up to. I just, that's a rich tapestry.

Is that spawn for wicked? Like, what does that mean? Is that professional? I think she's reading tarot cards and engaging in the, in like, maybe not the supernatural, but the otherworldly. And bringing it to this life and helping people make decisions accordingly. Did you know that there's a horror film coming out on May 3rd called Tarot? I did. I saw a trailer for it. Should I go see Abigail?

I mean, it looks kind of funny. I saw it last night Yeah Let's do a soft preview For Abigail Okay Chris and I will talk about it On Monday

No I know But I So I didn't go to the Screening but Do you know what the premise is? It's a little girl Named Alice Who has a doll

Abigail but yes Oh Abigail Is the doll named Alice? You're thinking of imaginary Oh Okay so which one's Abigail? Okay Imaginary is the one

About the little girl Who has a stuffed bear. That one I am absolutely seeing the minute it comes out. It is out. It has been out for six weeks. Why didn't you tell me? I went to a screening. It's not very good. But when the bear is on the, is the bear on a Roomba or does it just look like it's on

a Roomba coming to get you? It's just sliding on the ground. It's just moving on its own okay that I guess that's more spooky than on a Roomba but the the taking control of the Roomba and coming to get you is a good idea have they put that in a horror film yet well it sounds like you've uh maybe it would be called like Boomba like B-O-O-M-B-A do you still have a Roomba I do have a Roomba we never use it it. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean just imagine it just like breaks out of the closet and then like demon

A killer Roomba. Yeah. This is why you're not on any horror pods. No that's a good idea. I think I think a house that is going to kill you

where everything is coming to life is a great idea. Yeah it comes to life but like the Roomba is definitely a funny part of it and maybe there's like a cat or a baby like trapped on the Roomba is definitely a funny part of it. And maybe there's a cat or a baby trapped on the Roomba.

Yes. You think there are Blumhouse executives listening right now furiously taking notes. Haunted Roomba. I mean, we had a haunted swimming pool movie this year

and I thought it was fun. That's why I don't have any smart house features. That's imaginary. Abigail. Well, it's actually not because of spookiness, but because I think

hackers are going to take over the house. You think hackers are going to take over the house. You think hackers are going to take over your Roomba? Because you don't believe in the cloud. How could you have a smart house if you don't believe in the cloud? No facial recognition on your phone. No cookies. No cookies.

Don't believe in the cloud. And nothing in my house that is Wi-Fi enabled is connected to Wi-Fi. What about the fact that your husband has all this stuff? But he doesn't believe in it either. And you know, he's the one with the tape on the camera on his camera. But that was more, I was finger wagging Zach. Okay. But he, don't you remember when he went to Vegas for a week and then went to the hacker conference and was like, they're spying on us.

And then- That was like 13 years ago. I know. He was early. Can I tell you something? Yeah. When I was texting with your husband last night and I was like, we're, we are overdue for Zach CR and Sean go to Vegas together.

And then I started thinking it's actually a family trip. And we're all like, we're all going. The kids are coming. Do they have kids clubs for two year olds in Vegas? Yeah. They let them gamble. Yeah. Well, no, there's pools and stuff.

There's plenty of stuff for kids to do. It'll be fine. But so, you know how like at this point your thermostat can be like Wi-Fi enabled? Yes, yes. None of that shit is hooked up. Primarily because it never- You mean nest? We don't have a nest.

I don't have a nest either. But yeah, you can have that. Yeah, but I don't purposefully. Any of these other things. I'm sure that when the apocalypse comes, you'll be able to avoid it because of all of these choices. It's really good thinking on your part. I'm sure that when the apocalypse comes, you'll be able to avoid it because of all of these choices. It's really good thinking on your part. Me over here, I exclusively tweet from my Samsung refrigerator. So, you know, I've leaned in.

Maybe you'll be the leader of the revolution when the apocalypse does come because you're so hooked up. You're so enabled. You guys get on my side, you know. You've been calling me Gen Z for long enough, short of me, but now you're going to want that help. All right. So what's Abigail if it's not imaginary? I'm so reluctant to talk about this too much.

Okay, so I'm just going to say it. If you don't want to hear anything about Abigail, just fast forward two minutes, but there were two potential futures for Abigail. There was one, the one where we knew nothing

about this movie, and it was one of the coolest reveals in a long time in movies. And then there was two, the way that the movie was marketed. So let's start with the first one. The movie, it starts out as a crime thriller abduction movie, where a group of six criminals, all of whom fit these archetypal molds, where you've got a hacker, you've got the muscle, you've got a wheel man, you've got the strategist, you've got the ex-cop

who is a little bit untrustworthy are all going to abduct a 12 year old girl who is a ballerina because her father is worth millions of dollars they're going to take her abduct her and put her in an old house and keep her for 24 hours until they can get the money the movie goes on and for the first hour of the film you're like this is just an abduction crime thriller and it's melissa barrera and dan stevens and um is he the millionaire dad he is not he is actually a very slimy ex-cop okay and uh you know a handful of you know kevin durant is the muscle there's like a catherine newton you know the young actress from the ant-man films and they're all part of this ragtag group and the young girl says something very menacing to

dan stevenson at one point which is she's going to be like i'm sorry about what's going to happen to you and you're like what what's going on here and then like i said about an hour in it becomes clear that abigail is a vampire and that she is a vampire this trailer yeah who is attacking them in this house and why she's attacking them is kind of explained in the movie now i think that the movie was written to not reveal that but then the marketing for the movie right reveals that she's a vampire if you watch the trailer for abigail you know that she's a vampire so it's a tough thing because you could tell that they wouldn't be able to sell the movie just as like an abduction thriller with like the star of scream six but by giving it away the whole time you're watching the movie you're just waiting and waiting

and waiting and waiting for the vampire thing so i know i'm glad that you brought this up because i have thinking a lot about this exact thing in terms of trap and also which the trailer that you spoiled for all of us was released and I watched it and it ruled anyway. And I was thinking a little bit about it in terms of your kind of prompt for the second part of this podcast, like what do we want from summer movies, which is you want to know something, but you don't want to know everything. And then I was actually wondering whether Trap was written with having this reveal be part of the hook

that you come in and see the movie or whether you find out they had to do it for marketing. I think this is a crisis of movie marketers right now and consequently movie audiences because it's so hard to get people

into theaters that really have to be sold that something is going to be new, different, and event. And sometimes you have to give up your idea to get them in. I mean, I thought about this scene, the Speak No Evil trailer too, where I was like, why would you give away big turns in the movie? But also maybe people won't show up with just the ominous suggestion of something going awry. With Trap, you and I would show up to Josh Hartnett is the goofy dad taking his daughter to a Dua Lipa concert. Yes. And then everyone's going to get abducted. And then we would lose our fucking minds when they reveal it.

But I'm curious when the reveal comes in the movie. Does it come 20 minutes in? Does it come an hour in? I guess we'll see. We'll find out. I think that's the trick of that movie if the if what we saw in that trailer that i described to you is the first 20 minutes of the movie that's exciting right because he's got you the setup and then he needs to take you somewhere else sure right but then it becomes the m. night

channel on proposition of can you can they actually take you somewhere else or then are you just watching like an hour of josh hartnett like trying to get out of a stadium i'm very forgiving of the m night shamala and high stakes premise that doesn't necessarily land at the end like if 80 of your movie is thrilling i don't get mad when i when the ending doesn't work for me but a lot of people do totally but if the reveal comes at 20 minutes then you you've got 80% of the movie left. Yeah. And it's like how...

You're right. You know, that's a harder balance. You're right. It's a good call. We'll see. I don't know. I'm excited about it. I put it on my list. I'm excited too. Before we get into our list and our summer conversation, the only other movie news was that Steven Spielberg is making another movie. He's making another UFO movie. This is an original idea from him. Apparently, David Koepp's going to write the screenplay.

I mean, sure. Yes. Yeah. an original idea from him. Apparently, David Koepp's going to write the screenplay. I mean, sure. Yes. Yeah. He's good at it. He's the bard of the sky. You know, you return to the things that you love,

you know? Yeah. So, parents and aliens, that's what he's exploring. That's what he's dealing with. Have you revisited West Side Story or The Fablemans?

I haven't, and I don't know why I haven't because I really liked both of them i absolutely loved west side story i should i should re-watch it before we do challengers uh so i was thinking about this recently after i saw challengers because i went back and looked at you know i i keep my spreadsheets as you know and i don't put all my my star ratings into letterbox right away because there's embargoes or i don't want to give away what we're going to talk about on the show

but in my i always have an instant reaction that i put into the spreadsheet as soon as i get home star ratings into Letterboxd right away because there's embargoes or I don't want to give away what we're going to talk about on the show. But I always have an instant reaction that I put into the spreadsheet as soon as I get home. So you wait until you get home? Yeah. So you're not doing it on your phone? No, no. But after I've seen a movie, I come home. The app is not really usable. I don't really like Google Sheets. Yeah, but you've got thousands of movies

at this point. I do, I do. I break it down by year, so it's just hundreds that I'm kind of navigating. But if I've seen a movie a long time ago, so I went back and looked at what I gave Challengers and then I looked at what other movies

I gave that rating to over the years on my snap reaction. And I gave the same rating to Challengers that I gave to The Fablemans. And I gave the same rating to West Side Story.

And then I think I re-saw those movies and maybe I lowered them in my estimation just a little bit. But now I'm like, if I came out of Fablemans and I was like, that was great. We saw

Fablemans together at the AFI Fest. And we both really liked it. I was thinking about this because I'm like, Steven Spielberg has still got it. I know he's still got it. I really, really liked Fablemans and I really, really liked West Side Story. I don't know if they're masterpieces, but maybe they are. And I want to revisit them and think about them. And so

him being like, I'm going to do a UFO movie. This is one of the key concepts of my work is what's beyond our life and what's in the sky and what provides wonder for us, all that obvious stuff. The fact that he's still working through that stuff, I love the same way Scorsese is still working through organized crime and Catholicism. I still love. And I feel the same way about Quentin Tarantino you're right that he should be allowed to do whatever he wants and he's going to do whatever he wants but I want to continue to see him work his way through the ideas of his film and we talked about this one once upon a time in Hollywood came out that was an evolution for him there was a sense of emotionality to that movie that felt developed, that felt beyond

some of what he had done before, or at least different from what he had done before. And I don't really want to give it up. I don't want to give up what could be. And so I think when people are whinging about, don't make more than 10, it's because of that. It's because even if it's not as good as Goodfellas, The Irishman is

worthwhile. The Irishman's a masterpiece. I love it. I don't love it as much as Goodfellas. No, I is worthwhile. The Irishman's a masterpiece. I love it. I don't love it as much as Goodfellas. No, I don't. I mean... Yeah, but it's a great film. Martin Scorsese can have

multiple masterpieces. I completely agree. So you will see the UFO movie. Do you like War of the Worlds? I haven't seen it in a long time. It rips. Okay. That's my take.

That's Tom and Dakota. Yeah. And Crazy Tim Robbins. Yeah. Dakota Fanning and Kirsten Dunst are both on the press tour right now. So they both, once again, are trotting out the anecdote of I worked with Tom Cruise once when I was like 11 and he sends me gifts every year still. Is that cool or not cool? Well, he's got a spreadsheet or an assistant has a spreadsheet, you know? And it's like, we all know that, but that's fine.

That it's, you know, everybody needs content, I guess. Did you see that Criterion is releasing Risky Business on 4K? I sure did. That's fucking awesome. It's great. It's just really exciting. Once a year, Criterion is like, and one for the regular people. And this is the one for the regular people.

And I'm very excited about it. Okay. Summer movies. Let's get about it. Okay, summer movies. Let's get into it. All right. Last year we did the summer blockbuster 90s draft. Maybe we'll do one for the 2000s coming up. We shall see.

I have absolutely no memory of that. What did I draft? I don't know. What did you draft? I can tell you right now, it was one of the most popular drafts we've ever done because I think people have a strong feeling about what 90s summer blockbusters were like.

Sure, but what did you draft? I don't know, like Speed was on the board. Why, we have the, find the document. Okay. Stop down, find the document. Robert, can you help us? I will find the document. Okay.

I will find the document. Summer movies are a big deal. Like this is a critical thing for us. It's a shared interest of ours. For sure. We're both summer birthday kids. We both thought about going to the movies a lot during the summer. Children of the 90s, when you're allowed to just chill out in front of the screen for eight hours at a time because there was nothing else to do.

Yeah. I was just reminiscing with C.R. and his wife, Phoebe, about how we would just go to the Arclight for six hours a day when I didn't have children. You can still do that, but it's not the same. It's not quite the same as it used to be no it's more expensive there's a I mean we're grown-ups you know some of it is just like the wonder of a child and the way that we appreciate approach these movies is still with like kid goggles on you know like I just I want to be stunned and I don't want to think too hard but I want to be emotionally manipulated that that that informed my picks even on this episode yeah um Bobby did you track down what we drafted

remind us yes I did Chris got Twister There's Something About Mary, Ghost, T2 Judgment Day, The Fugitive, and Point Break. Amanda you got that's an insane lineup that's insane yeah those are the movies he got those were the movies that he got amanda you got jurassic park my best friend's wedding apollo 13 die hard with a vengeance sleep is in seattle and the firm and sean you got speed a league of their own saving private ryan star wars episode one the phantom menace unforgiven and the truman Show oh that's a really weird list that I have I think I got foiled

you know I really got foiled on 99 really I mean we both did yeah we got screwed that was tough we invite these people

into our house we say come play with us and then they just shiv us one thing that I regret not asking and I think I was just I was hungry

and pissed off and just kind of like it's just we gotta we gotta build in some food plans I know and just kind of like it's just we got it we got to build in some food plans i know you don't like lunch it's fine we you know we live we learn we'll get that just hire a personal assistant you'll get there but i didn't rob mentioned that he had watched 40 movies like many of them for the first time and i have some concern that rob mahoney only saw notting hill for the first time in the last have some concern that Rob Mahoney only saw Notting Hill for the first time

in the last three months. We can't say it's not in play. No, you're still stewing on this. He's really got your number. He's got your number. He does. And he just somehow always gets the draft order. I know.

Well, that's how I feel about Joanna. I don't even, Joanna's not even trying to get my number. She just like, we have like a little bit of crossover taste-wise and it keeps foiling me in these circumstances so it's tough

to not get Magnolia it's a tough one you know I really I don't feel great about that anywho I think you put it on I think you put it very well which is like

we want to have our kid goggles on most of the movies we have on our list I'm just like maybe this is crap but I hope not yeah but the other thing about it

is that you do have some sort of expectation you know something the premise is very important and so you know like i'm gonna go in and like will smith's gonna find an alien right or i'm gonna go in right and tom hanks is gonna be stuck in space or i'm gonna go you know what or julia roberts is gonna break up a wedding or Julia Roberts is going to run away from her wedding or Julia Roberts is going to break Hugh Grant's heart 14 times. But how much, you know, is sort of, is an art and it's something they really perfected in the nineties.

And, and, and I think also the balance of how much do you know going in and what are you excited for versus how much are you surprised or how much payoff there is, is in some ways the equation. And we've been tipping the wrong way a bit. How do you mean? Say more about that. I think we've been tipping where we know too much. And so the anticipation. Like, Trap is a perfect movie trailer. It may not matter because we have the trailer and they have me in the seat.

And that may have actually been where all the art went. But we'll see whether it pays off. But I might have already had like my big movie thrill, you know? Yeah. When I told you about the trailer. Yeah. And then on my phone this morning. Yeah.

And that is like a little bit more of the reflection of the business. Okay, I have a related idea to this because, you know, Trap does actually remind me a little bit more of the 90s movies, which was that they were concept driven, that they were, you know,

like Speed or Twister. Like those are movies that are about the idea of the movie. There's some spectacle involved, obviously, but the thing that has were, you know, like Speed or Twister. Like those are movies that are about the idea of the movie. There's some spectacle involved, obviously. But the thing that has happened, and if we think of May 1st through August 30th as our eligibility window here for summer movies, the thing that has happened is that Marvel

has more or less kicked off every summer since 2010, notwithstanding the two COVID years of 2020 and 2021. Every like end of Aprilil first week of may there's been a big marvel movie coming out last year was guardians of the galaxy 3 your favorite movie of 2023 and so like summer movie i think for a generation or two behind us has been redefined it doesn't mean that we don't get still some of the movies that we hold dear to us, but The Fall Guy is now in the slot that is usually occupied by Marvel. Now, in the industry, this is like kind of a big deal.

It's kind of a fascinating test to see how big can a movie like The Fall Guy be in 2024 when usually the audiences are prepared for something that is more of an event. Once again, just just absolutely riding the coattails of barbie to to massive success i don't want to say too much about the fall guy but i will say i fucking love ryan gosling yeah you know like so does everyone ryan gosling is in his i'm fucking back era and i love doing it and he's selling it and universal

is very smart to be like, okay, here we go and here's our big opportunity. He went from the Oscars to Austin for the Fall Guy premiere at South by Southwest. And that's really my point about Trapping the Fall Guy is that these movies are more like the 90s movies we're talking about.

The Fall Guy is a big splashy action romance built on its movie stars. That's not a thing really anymore. Do you want to come with me again to see it? I am going to come a second time. Okay, great. Can we go to dinner before? Yes, we can. It's at the Grove, I believe, so we'll have to figure out where to go. Oh, that's right. It's a little trickier food-wise, but we'll find something. Okay. Sounds like it's time for some Cheesecake Factory. You know what? That is one of the busiest Cheesecake Factories in America. We recently tried to go, we recently tried with our

families to go to the Americana Cheesecake Factory and we were turned away. It is, Cheesecake Factory is cooking. I don't know, I mean, literally and figuratively, I don't know what it is that America is just locked in, but every time I try to go to one, I can't get in. I'm, this is not spawn. Like, I would, I don't even remember what the food tastes like. It's been a decade. I keep getting turned away. Anyway. It's because serving sizes are back.

You know, bulking season is fucking in. There's so much fucking chicken and pasta on your plate. I go to bar class right next to a Cheesecake Factory. And when I go in the morning, I leave. And like 11 a.m., the doors open at 11 a.m. at Cheesecake Factory on a weekday. And the entire window, everyone is full, seated with their Chardonnay at like 11 a.m. on a Tuesday. There is some other Cheesecake Factory life that those people are living, and I envy it. It's because everyone in L.A. is unemployed.

Everyone's just waiting to get a job. And so they're like, I guess I'll just go to Cheesecake, you know, just chill for three hours and drink four glasses of lemonade. Oh, I know, the sweet brown bread. Yeah. God damn it. I mean, they've also got like the dessert case right by the front door. So smart. And so I see it.

I mean, I just really, really need a large slice of cheesecake or layer cake. The husband hack is anytime you go to a screening and your wife is mad at you that you're at the screening, you got to come home with that Oreo cheesecake from Cheesecake Factory. Do you do that? Yeah. Shit. Can you tell Zach? Well, he doesn't go to the screenings.

You're at the screenings. You got to just get it for yourself. Just dip in. I was at Abigail last night. It's not the same. And you got her Oreo. I didn't actually last night, but I usually do. Can you get one for yourself. Just dip in. I was at Abigail last night. It's not the same. And you got her Oreo. I didn't actually last night, but I usually do.

Can you get one for me next time? You want me to drive it over to your home after I've gone to see a horror film? No, no, you can bring it the next day. Like, if you presented me with a slice of Oreo cheesecake right now, I would start crying. Like, I'm like actually tearing up

thinking about how happy I would be right now. Like, it actually doesn't take much. I have this reputation as this like just, you know, hard thing. Hard to please. Like nothing ever works. But like there are little tears in my eyes right now just imagining. And like the special whipped cream on the cheesecake. I did do that two weeks ago for Eileen and she was just like, wow.

I take it all back. You're the best husband ever. Wow, it's really moving. Yeah. Okay. It does work. Anyway, Cheesecake Factory coming soon to hour three

of The Big Picture. You want to talk about these movies? Yeah, I'm excited about them. I am excited too. I went full moron. You know, I went like just absolutely

let's have fun. You have like one respectable movie. Yeah fun you have like one respectable movie yeah and i had one respectable movie on my list i had janet planet which you saw at telluride um i liked it a lot sorry julianne nicholson which i'm i'm like it's about moms and daughters i'm really looking forward to yeah but i had that on the list and then the trap trailer hit this morning and i was like delete I mean I could I could remove I could go

moron mode too if you want I mean it's fine you can you do whatever you want but it would be very easy for me to just put

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes at number five it was going to be Kinds of Kindness which I think actually has a chance to be its own kind of

moron mode this is Yorgos Lanthimos' anthology movie starring Emma Stone Jesse Plemlemons, a number of other famous people. Joe Alwyn. Joe Alwyn. Fighting back. You know, it's almost Taylor Swift's hour. How are you feeling?

I am excited. I was playing. Speaking of moron mode. Yeah, speaking of moron mode. I mean, it could be, it could go any number of ways. The last few haven't hit for me, but I've been playing Red in the house the last couple of days, getting Matt's acclimated. I'm just like, if we get like a true breakup album with some editing, like fucking bring it. You know, I'm ready to feel alive again.

I'm happy for you. Thank you. I'm happy for you. And listen, I hope that Joe Allen is on a lovely island somewhere without internet reception for the next two months and then gets to promote his nice movie with his friends. Yeah, I wish him safety. That's actually what I wish him. I mean, listen, the only thing you can say to this offense is that Travis Kelsey is spending his off-season hosting Are You Smarter Than a Celebrity and wearing a Happy Gilmore hat to Coachella, which is like an amazing choice, but also can you be a grown woman dating the guy in the Happy Gilmore hat?

He's a world champion. I'm not sure if you saw, but they won the Super Bowl. So I would give away a finger for a Super Bowl. Sean said, talk to my rings. Hang the fucking banner. Would you date Travis Kelsey? Is that your kind of guy? No, not even close

yeah you're more you're an Alan type I need a sneak yeah yeah I need some dashing in my life I don't want a bro-y type

more of a CR you know really tall well groomed you know suits fit well no he's not really my type okay Kinds of Kindness

I think is actually going to be a lot of fun and might actually be quite silly but I'm going to see Kingdom of the lot of fun and might actually be quite silly. But I'm going to see Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes next week. I'm pumped.

I love those movies. I'm probably going to rewatch all the Apes movies. It's possible that it's going to be like a huge letdown because the Reeves movies were so good. But, you know,

fucking Apes running around doing shit. Are you officially making that number five? Apes is number five, yeah. Because you inspired me. Thank you. The other thing I want to say about this list, I was able to go more on mode because Challengers Are you officially making that number five? Yeah, because you inspired me. Thank you.

The other thing I want to say about this list, I was able to go more on mode because Challengers is not eligible. It's being released one week before the May 1st deadline. Challengers is fucking coming. Buy your tickets now. Get your rave clothes ready and let's fucking or your tennis gear or whichever, you know, because that'll be suitable. And let's go. I would expect the Challengers pod to be very energetic. So I look forward to recording it with you guys in one week from now.

I think it is fair to say it is one of, if not the movie events of the year. Yeah. But it's not eligible because it's coming out at the end of April. So what is eligible for you? So instead, my number five is Despicable Me 4. I'd like to tell a personal anecdote if I could. So last night, my husband's traveling. Our heroic babysitter, Izzy, came over to help me with Knox for a little while.

And he's being a real pill. So we found ourselves on the couch watching The Sound of Music together. Knox loves The Sound of Music. Horrible film. He's just absolutely wrapped. He sits through all of the talking. The only thing is when the captain and Maria finally get together. And it's just that very boring song.

He's just like, it's very dark. All dark. Dark. Just yelling at the screen. Anyway. That was me and Abigail. So it's me, Knox, and Izzy. And we're sitting there.

And I think I was trying to, Izzy's younger. So I wanted to make sure she knew about the famous McSweeney's article about like the Baroness writing off her. Oh. You know, like, because she would have been very young. So I was telling her about it, showing her my phone. And then, and we're like talking over Knox. And then Knox suddenly out of nowhere just goes, no talking. And silences me and Izzy in the middle of Sound of Music. And I was like, oh, number one, I'm raising a horrible film bro.

And two, he's ready for the movies. So Despicable Me 4, here we go. At the Alamo Drafthouse, apparently, because Knox is just ready to silence everyone wherever he goes. Oh, oh, wow. Yeah. Will you actually do that? Would you do it at Alamo?

No, no, no. That's kind of tough. Will he have to sit on your lap? I don't know. I think that he might be overwhelmed for a second by the loudness, by the volume and the quiet, and having to sit in one place.

But he actually really does like movies. So I think I'm going to try to go kid-friendly environment. Okay. But as I've said before, real Minion energy to Knox. That is true. Despite the just absolutely austere film environments required for him to to screen classics well i wonder if there's going to be uh any gentle minion energy around despicable me 4 i think we have to account for that too that there might be some waves of older people but that also makes for a more hectic viewing environment yeah but he thinks anyone from the age of like 7 to 15 is like the coolest person he's ever seen.

Okay, well then maybe that's Yeah, I think he would be really into the Gentlemanians. Despicable Me 4 is widely assumed to be one of like the two or three highest grossing movies

of the year. I'll be honest. I don't want to I don't want to rain on your parade but I watched a 10 minute clip of it at CinemaCon and I was like, okay.

Like it's a it's a Despicable Me movie. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's not for you. was like okay like it's a Despicable Me movie you know what I mean it's not for you I get that it's like a massive franchise do I wish that it were a Minions movie instead of a Despicable Me movie sure I definitely liked it

did you think it was going to be like the third man what is Despicable Me 4 but I enjoyed The Rise of Gru okay and I didn't think it had the same vim okay that's the thing i said seriously on a podcast but i i actually believe it to be true i could be wrong i don't really know i you know what it is i'm just not really into the steve carell grew into grew into

grew yeah i'm not either but i mean like minions the rise of grew was like still deeply about grew it it baby Gru young Gru and that was funny yeah I enjoyed that I mean the older Gru you know he's got a family now we're getting

it's getting a little long in the tooth okay I know it's beloved I think it's I think it's a great idea for Nox I love it

yeah is it getting a little close to home for you older family maybe that's what it is his back hurts you know he's running out of schemes

he's not as dastardly as he thinks he is you know that's what it is. His back hurts. You know, he's running out of schemes. He's not as dastardly as he thinks he is. You know? He's just a softie now. Yeah. I will go see it. Alice has never seen one of these movies. I'm a little nervous.

You don't want to introduce Minions energy into her life? A little bit. Because you think she'll... There was a Minions short at the beginning of Migration, which we went to go see. I liked Migration. And she really liked it too. Yeah, you two are the only people on planet Earth. That's Wish you're thinking of.

Everybody hates Wish. Migration people are like, it's fine. Yeah. The Minions short, whenever she sees Minions now, she says, those are the Migration guys. That's very smart. But I worry about having to watch

Minions movies all day long. I don't know if I want that. And you might, you run the risk here of doing that. I think they're funny. It's basically like Three Stooges comedy. The Minions themselves are genuinely very funny and sort of on the wavelength of things that we've been showing Knox. And also Knox's own form of humor,

which is running into something and falling down. When you go to Despicable Me 4, I'll be taking Alice to a rep screening of Ozu's Tokyo story. And I'll teach her about the value of family and intergenerational connectivity. That's beautiful. Thank you. My number four, speaking of moron mode, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 11 times, shame on me.

Deadpool and Wolverine. Love Deadpool, as you know. Just a huge fan of Deadpool. Who was the director of Deadpool 2? Do you remember? Ryan Reynolds. No. Well, yes.

But no. It was David Leitch, director of The Fallen. Sure, yeah. And I think Deadpool 2 slept on. Is it stupid? Sure, of course it is. Most things are stupid. Deadpool 3 is directed by Sean Levy,

who is the director of Free Guy, who is in partnership with the Satan version of Ryan Reynolds. Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, I'm a fan. Okay. I'm glad he's back. Many people are. I'm a little concerned about having to deal with MCU retcon BS throughout this film. That said, Matthew McFadden is in it.

And it's the first MCU movie I've actually been excited for, non-Spider-verse division, since Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. It's also coming out on my birthday. I was going to say, this is your birthday movie. Yeah. To the day, right? To the day.

Yeah. Tricky. Tricky situation. It's the only marvel movie coming out this year i think it's better than my birthday movie your birthday movie's trap or do they move it to the ninth i think they moved it to the night my birthday movie is horizon part two not even part one part two oh that's rough oh isn't it also isn't it also harold and the purple crayon yeah I think so.

Hold on. Let's check trap release date. It's August 9th. August 9th. Yeah. Now, that's a fun birthday movie. Yeah, that's great. Okay.

Deadpool and Wolverine, will you see it? Sure. Who should be the third chair on that episode? I mean, Chris for the most fun, right? Okay. Do you really want to approach it from like the Church of Marvel? Or do you want to approach it from just like... No, but I don't know if he likes Deadpool. Also, isn't it about...

Because Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman have like an enduring bromance. They do. We've also heard Jennifer Garner is in this possibly, right? Yes. Reprising her role in Elektra. And that's an interest that Chris and I share. Jennifer Garner? Yeah.

Let's not pretend that I'm, don't cut me out of that narrative, all right? I was on Alias Island. We have different levels to the interest, but yeah. Yeah, I thought she was a riveting screen presence. And you're interested in her marriages. No, also, are you up on her pretend cooking show? I have no idea what that is um she regularly does little instagram videos where she's like i'm pretending to host a cooking show and she makes

stuff in her kitchen and then it usually works out but they're rich people are so bored they're so bored started during the pandemic yeah but she also i think through this and through some other she loves ina garden and then i think willed a real friendship with Ina Garten into life. And now Ina Garten wishes her happy birthday and they hang out. That's one of your dreams. That is one of my dreams. That's nice. Okay.

I like her a lot. I don't think Elektra's going to be a big part of this story, but she'll pop up. I suspect a lot of former Marvel various universe she'll pop up. I suspect a lot of former Marvel various universe characters will pop up. That's not the reason to go see it necessarily, but I'm willing to take the ride. What's your number four? I'm taking a chance on this one.

It's probably going to be quite bad, but what if it were good? It's called Fly Me to the Moon. It stars Scarlett Johansson and Channing Tatum. It is a romantic comedy set during the space race in the 60s. And somehow they have to make a fake backup moon landing so we can also bring Reddit into this. And what if I like it? What if I have a good time at the movies?

I would love to like it. I would love to like it. I don't know whether I will. It's an Apple film. Which don't know whether I will. It's an Apple film. Which, you know, is perhaps a warning sign. Directed by Greg Berlanti, best known for his work in television. Maybe one of the most successful TV producers of the century.

Do you remember the last time we saw Scarlett Johansson and Channing Tatum together in a film? Cloud Atlas? Jupiter? one of those? No. No, I don't. Hail Caesar. Oh, yeah, that was great. So I was thinking about Hail Caesar recently because David Krumholz was on the WTF podcast and like an hour and 12 minutes into the podcast, he explained, he talked about his experience making that movie and working with the Coen brothers. And he explained the movie in the most incredible way I've ever heard. And I'll briefly paraphrase it, which is to say, he was like, Hollywood is 50% scumbag assholes who are always trying to get one up on you. And 50% genuine artists trying to make something great. And the problem is,

is that sometimes the genuine artists become scumbag assholes, but scumbag assholes never become genuine artists. And so we are in this endless game of diminishing returns. And he was like, that's what the movie's about. And I was like, this guy should be the host of a film podcast. That was an incredible reading of that movie that he starred in. That's very good. Anyway, I really like Hail Caesar. Will I like Fly Me to the Moon?

I hope so. I hope so. I mean, do I want to go see a romantic comedy in the summer starring movie stars? I sure do. Absolutely. Do they make them anymore? No. Because that's the other thing is that anything else romance tinged this summer is like full romance.

Oh, yeah. Like sloppy. Like the idea of you. Yeah. Or like the Colin Hoover thing is starting, which is like not even a train that like I am on. But I think Blake Lively is going to be in a Colleen Hoover movie. Yeah, I saw that. You know, I want some slapstick.

I want some. Can you, I think we should do a romance movie episode though. Because as I told you recently, like that's a real, I don't know if it's a blind spot, but it's just like I'm lacking an interest in it entirely. I mean, sure. But I think there's a significant difference between like, you know, the great romances between like Jane Eyre and like. But like I've probably only seen like one Nicholas Sparks movie. You've seen The Notebook. That's the one. Yeah.

I think that's the only one I've seen. I've seen the others, but The Notebook is the only one that I write for. We might need like an expert on this or someone who's passionate about it yeah yeah i don't know who that would be like is jody passionate about that you know what i mean i don't know i was gonna ask is yasi passionate about that probably not you i told you what episode yasi wants to be on right no what which one uh she wants to be on the crow oh yeah which is that's very yasi coded yasi will be on the big picture this year i promise do you want to be here for that or do you not want to do you want to see the crow sure it's in august it's in late august uh well you know we'll see how i'm doing okay let's let's we'll do a status check closer to you sounds good uh okay so you've got

fly me to the moon my number three is Alien Romulus. There's been all this marketing material of Fede Alvarez, the director of Alien Romulus, just sitting in lounger chairs with Ridley Scott talking about how sick Alien is. Gotta say, it's a good idea. I'm clicking on all those videos. I'm watching Ridley in a very offhanded way

explain how he's a genius. And Fede just fawned over him. Fede Alvarez is well known for extremely disgusting movies like Evil the Evil Dead remake I like his work

I don't like his Girl on the Spider Web movie starring Claire Foy aside from that pretty big fan yeah that was tough didn't really work out

no I mean also tough source material the only venture can really spin that into something good I tend to agree with you. I love Claire Foy, though.

You know, do we need a seventh Alien movie? We don't need anything. Do I need it? I do. I need it. I really, I need it. This is another deep August one. It is.

August 16th. Yeah. I will be back from vacation at this point. Will you be back from vacation at this point? We need to talk about that, actually. Okay. My vacation schedule is a little unorthodox this year, but that's okay.

Interesting. We can work through it. In that you're never coming back? Well, in some ways. But we'll make it work. Okay. Okay, what's your number three? Trap.

Which, I mean, I've just... We've talked about it. I'm psyched. Let's go. Give me your top five M night. I mean, Sixth Sense. Is that number one?

I think so. It was also probably the first, you know, and as we talked about in 1999, like, it was a phenomenon. Yeah, I did get that one in my draft, yeah. You did? Oh, good. Okay. Great movie. Signs.

Love it. Very, very good. Very underrated, in my opinion. I never saw the Jonathanathan graff has to make a tough choice one oh knock at the cabin yeah deeply upsetting yeah it seemed like it would be i would say absolutely horrendous final 10 minutes but everything up to that i loved loved and that was sort of what i was alluding to and i was saying it doesn't matter if the ending doesn't work because graff and d Bautista are exceptional in that movie.

I mean, I guess Unbreakable. I really liked Old. I have very fond memories. Old was like one of the first movies back in theaters. Yes. I, you know, it didn't pay off, but I don't care. Agree. Same.

I'm there for a good time. Dead last lady in the water. Yeah. Yes. Okay. I'm ready for Trap 2. Got to figure for a good time. Dead last lady in the water. Yeah. Yes. Okay. I'm ready for Trap 2. Got to figure out a good way to do the Trap episode before I go away. Hopefully they'll screen it for us early.

Let us see it now. I feel like we've done a lot of good promo. I agree with you. I think these studios need us. Number two for me is Maxine starring Mia Goth. This is not more on mode. This is a work of art. But what's nice about it is that it also is not more on mode. This is a work of art. But what's nice about it is that it also can be more on mode.

It can. This is Ty West's third film in the Mia Goth slasher trilogy, started by X, then Pearl, now Maxine. This is a late 70s, early 80s set, New York serial killer slash porn world crime drama. It's simultaneously an homage to B exploitation movies like Vice Squad

and also like Heat apparently and also porn, as you might imagine. I'm interested. You're interested. I'm interested in this film. This trailer showed before my advanced screening of Civil War and the hell yeah.

Yeah. The film bros were psyched. I was I was excited to you know I'd like to read the cast of this film. Yeah. Elizabeth Debicki Moses Sumney

my girl Michelle Monaghan Bobby Cannavale Lily Collins Halsey Giancarlo Esposito and Kevin Bacon. That's a roster right there. It's actually, it's LA. It's not New York. I misspoke. It's LA. And that's important. Okay. Number two. The fall guy. I

didn't go to Vegas to see it. I'm psyched. Give me Ryan Gosling grandstanding every six months, and I will be thrilled. I watched almost every Saturday Night Live clip. So did everyone in America. He brings us together. He's powerful. He and Emily Blunt have good chemistry, at least in the promo tour. I believe that they did in the film. Oh, good. I'm glad. So I like that as a pairing. And as I said, I like dumb stuff. It does seem... Did you watch the SNL monologue? I didn't actually.

I did see a lot of the sketches. So the concept of the monologue was Ryan Gosling saying goodbye to Ken and using... Until they back up a Brinks truck full of money for Barbie 2, Ken's story. But it's like an Emily Blunt shows up and she's like, no, we are promoting a new movie. You need to get your shit together.

Say goodbye to this person. And so then to say goodbye to Ken, he rewrites Taylor Swift's All Too Well with Ken lyrics. I mean, not he, but the writers have said it live. And he performs a version of all too well unfortunately it was a it was a version of the 10 minute version of all too well so there was it was just like a lot of competing emotion for me personally and I have to say then Emily comes in and she's saying goodbye to Oppenheimer and it's a, it gets the extra bridges and stuff are unfocused, but it was still pretty good.

And apparently all too well features in the movie. And. You won't quit until your case is heard by the Supreme court. You Amanda Dobbins, V Taylor Swift, all too well, circa all too well. 10 minutes.

As I said, I've been playing right in the house and the original. It like where do you think chief justice john roberts stands in a museum i honestly do not care and fred did do not do not want to hear from him amanda you will be vindicated with one day the music critics will finally declare that all but i don't care about the music critics well one day everybody will agree that all too well 10 minuteminute version is just the Snyder Cut. That's all it was. That's what it was. And that's fine.

Anyway, Ryan Gosling, 5 and up to All Too Well. This isn't the last time we'll be discussing Ryan Gosling in All Too Well. I know. I know. Yeah, that's what I've heard. And I couldn't be more excited. My number one is Furiosa, Mad Max Saga. Yeah.

This better be good. I need this to be good. You have staked a lot. My summer's kind of riding on this one. Yeah. It's not the best summer slate.

It's not bad. It actually has, you know, like we said, the Fall Guy Trap, those kinds of movies which I dig. The event,

tentpole movies, I've seen better years. Horizon will be a blast blast but will it be good debatable i'll tell you what i'm i'm looking forward to inside out too as well um and that's really my movie with my daughter but that's not more on mode so it doesn't really apply here um furiosa it is i mean it is what it is it's it's it's george miller returning to the mad max saga for the one two three four fifth time and you tell her time. Anya Taylor-Joy, Chris Hemsworth. I like them.

The footage I saw at a CinemaCon was incredible. Absolutely incredible. So now I went from being like, okay, we'll see. Trailer, everybody is a little mixed on it. Now I'm like, let's go. This movie's coming out in one month. I'm here to support you. Thank you.

Appreciate it. I really liked Fury Road. I got a good feeling. Okay. We'll see. I mean, we'll see. I'm also, my entire summer is not riding on it as yours is. So I think that I can just really be open hearted.

If it's trash, should I retire? No, because we have to solve trap, you know? We have to figure it out before the police do i'm not i'm i'm really like mixed on my ability to predict m night shamalan twists i've had some success i don't want you to try to protect it predict it to me i don't okay because i don't try it when i say like i'm going full moron mode like i'm not critically thinking i'm not trying to predict it i'm just like i have no idea what's four months of pods of you being a moron that could be tough i think that's some of my best work honestly fair very fair uh wait what's your number one twisters and hitman oh yeah hitman glenn powell let's fucking go i'm psych You know, one total moron mode, which is the sequel to

Twisters, where they're just sending radar bobbles up into tornadoes because the technology has not been updated. And we were talking about someone who knows about meteorology and storm chasing. Let me know that that's still what they're doing that's still that's accurate yeah that's still what they're interesting so you know dorothy 15 or whatever but i'm excited for him and then you have seen hitman i couldn't go because i didn't have a babysitter and that's okay because i thought the trailer looked delightful. And it's Glenn Powell. It looks pretty goofy, but in a funny way. Yeah, I'm reluctant to give away too much. I mean, directed by Richard Linklater,

who in many ways brought us Glenn Powell. He did, for sure. And brought us what is essential about Glenn Powell. You know, I went to a screening last week, and Glenn was there, and he was talking about his journey and how, he, he, Glenn was there and he was talking about his journey and how obsessed he was. And he kept telling the story and, and, um, I'm sure we'll hear it over the next couple of months about how he studied screenwriting in

high school and that Linklater scripts. I want to say it was the script to Dazed and Confused. He studied that as a teenager and he was the only person in his creative writing class who was focused on screenplays um and then a little bit later he got cast with like a one-line speaking part in fast food nation which is a linkator movie that i actually have not seen since it came out that is on my list to revisit i'm probably going to try to revisit as many link later movies as i can ahead of this but um i've really really liked it man um i really liked it and i think it's genuinely exciting what's happening with him um and that one in particular where he's also wrote the movie he produced it i don't want to take credit for what glenn powell

is bringing to the world but like that's a shot we called in what 2017 long time ago yeah long time ago we've been holding our stock. We held, held, held. I'm rooting for him. And I like being in his movie presence. Yeah. The one thing that jumped out to me just seeing him talk about the movie was that he went to the Tom Cruise finishing school for movie stardom after Top Gun Maverick and is applying the lessons very clearly. Mixed results there.

On screen? Well, on screen, it's amazing. But in terms of talking after movies you know i don't you need to repent for your dead reckoning performance that was like that was one of the most heartbreaking moments of no i just like you really actually hurt me that was one of the only times you actually penetrated and hurt me went to venice and like walked the path i did the stations of the Cross with Tom Cruise for Dead Reckoning.

So you can't tell me I don't care. I just like don't think that AI is that cool. It's not cool. That's the point of the movie. But I'm just like, I don't know. And then there's going to be

like a water stunt. No, I'm not asking you to reignite the whackness of our discourse about that movie. I needed you to get in the submarine with me and go to the bottom of the ocean. Tom Cruise in movies is one of the best experiences we have. Tom Cruise on a red carpet being like, I like to go first thing in the morning to the movies. I like it, you know, and I like to see the movies all day.

Everything you're saying rocks. I think we've moved. Maybe we could add a little bit more character and personality. No, he is all of us. He's allowing us to project our feelings onto him as a vessel. I like to go on a Friday. I like to see two in a day. I don't want Glenn Powell to have to make a movie explaining how to turn off motion smoothing.

You know? I can't say I'm against it. I think it would be funny. It would be funnier. If we did it? We threatened that and we didn't do it. We should have just done it just word for word like him and Macquarie did it. There's still time.

We can do it. Yeah, we can do it. That's actually a really good PSA for whenever we have a YouTube feed where that can be like the lead video. If you're going to recreate a Tom Cruise, you have to do the jumping out of the helicopter and say, see you at the movies.

If you're going to commit, commit. I want to do the going to see Tenet with a mask on where he was just like storming around the theater searching for the right seat being all fake excited for the movie that was a really good one he's he's he rocks at viral marketing because it's like half of it is completely devoid of personality and yet somehow i'm like man he did it again he did it again no dead reckoning was good man comeckoning was good, man. Come on. It was good. It was good. I put the Rome car sequence in like my best scenes of the year,

best action sequence, all the things. I, listen, mad respect. I just, whatever. It's just like a screensaver that's going to eat you. What's the,

who cares? What's the British talk show where movie stars come on and it's like, it's not the movies that made us. That's a different podcast, but it's like that where there's a great British host who has filmmakers and movie stars come on. It's like, it's not the movies that made us, that's a different podcast, but it's like that where there's a great

British host who has filmmakers and movie stars come in and they talk about their favorite movies of all time. Obvious premise for a show, but there's a Tom Cruise episode

and he talks about, it's the same thing you're talking about where he's talking about the most obvious shit of all time as though it's the first time anyone's ever talked about it

and been like, here's what I do. But he's like, Singing in the Rain. Singing in the Rain changed my life. When I saw it as a kid kid i became obsessed with it and now what i do is every time i'm making an action film i make my crew watch singing in the rain and i show them the blocking and the action and i say this is how i want the action to feel i mean he did actually

steal the motorcycle off a clip thing from singing in the rain in the flashback gene kelly stuntman does it and nox gets very upset and we have to be like he's a stuntman and then my son's like i'm too but anyway could be homage sure could be homage maybe there will be more homage in the fall guy another film about a stuntman nevertheless in that clip he's like rattling off names he's just like think of charlie chaplin think of buster keaton think of what we learned from gene ke. Like just doing the like film bro, you know, like encyclopedia thing that I invariably try to do on this podcast. Because he loves cinema.

I need someone to leak the email that he sent with the serial numbers of the home entertainment system. If someone can get me that email with all the serial numbers, I will film a video where I go and try to find all of this equipment and set it up myself. And I won't have any help.

I will just go to Best Buy or whatever and be like, excuse me, sir. Do you think that we are the gold standard is a part of the viral marketing strategy? Yes, of course it is. Did he release those tapes? Did he leak those? Maybe he did.

Right? Seems likely. Oh my God. Definitely. It's so special. The 99 movie draft was a golden opportunity for you to yell at everybody

and say we are the gold standard. I think we achieved that. I think we all achieved that. This is our first summer in a while without Tom Cruise. We missed Tom. But we have Glenn.

So I accept Glenn. Twisters and Hitman is a mighty double feature. That's, Hitman is June on the Netflix streaming service. Twisters is July. Now, Here's the thing I'm going to tell you right now.

Is that, for reasons outside of my control, my vacation coincides with Twisters. And I, you know what? I'm really sorry. Shame on you. Listen.

Shame on you. There are a lot of people to blame and none of them are me. I blame you. So, maybe they can let us see it early.

How about that? I'll let you beg. I'm gonna try really hard. But, like, I just, it's out of my hands. Okay. You know? Okay.

It was the only time it could work. I'll tell Glenn that you won't be there for him. I will be. But we're just going to have to arrange a little, you know? Honorable mentions. Okay.

Quiet Place Day One. I heard this was good. I mean, I have liked both Quiet Places. Yeah, I have too. And it's Michael Sarnoski who made Pig, which you didn't like or you didn't see? That was Nicolas Cage, like Cage being emo about food. Correct. Yeah.

I mean, I think the Quiet Place movie will be different than that movie. That's just a gut check. I think he showed a lot in that movie. I was like, this guy's got some moves. The only thing here is this is sort of like Quiet Place and origin story. Lupita, though. Lupita's wonderful. And Lupita's on a press tour of her own right now that I

saw her in person in Caesar's Palace walking back to her hotel room was Joshua Jackson anywhere he was not there yeah no um but the power of the other Quiet Place movies is you know you're just stuck in this world and you don't know how everything happened. And there has been like this whole way of living and adjustment to all of it. That was the invention. Sure. That is the invention. But like, this is a movie just like explaining how it happened.

It might just be an apocalyptic movie. That's in play. It's different. But, and that doesn't mean it'll be bad. It'll just be different. Jimen Honsu reprising his role from A Quiet Place 2. Joseph Quinn is the second lead

in this movie. That's notable because he has a big part in Gladiator 2 and also is going to be in the Fantastic Four. He's Johnny Storm in the Fantastic Four.

So this is a person that we... Who is Johnny Storm? He's the Human Torch. Who are the other people? There's one guy who's the thing. There's Mr. Fantastic. There's the human torch who are the other people there's one guy is the thing there's mr fantastic there's the invisible woman and there's the thing you know who's playing the thing evan evan moss background which is very exciting do you know who's playing mr fantastic yes but i forgot pedro pascal oh that's right you know who's playing the invisible woman vanessa kirby yes that's a great cast a little dubious about the movie that's right. You know who's playing the Invisible Woman. Vanessa Kirby. Yes. That's a great cast.

A little dubious about the movie. That's fine. I am just happy for Evan. Joseph Quinn, I don't have an opinion on, but I'm looking forward to seeing what he's up to. Other honorable mentions from... You want to do an honorable mention? Sure. Well, Janet Planet...

I'm sorry. It was pretty disrespectful. Well, there's a weird thing happening. Part of my brain is excited for Janet Planet and the bike riders. Right. So, there's a weird thing happening. The thinking part of my brain is excited for Janet Planet and the bike riders. Right, so there's a funny thing happening on June 21st this year, which is that

there are not a ton of like big splashy releases, but there are five indie films that are all interesting to exciting. There's The Bike Riders, which I saw at Telluride. Really, really liked.

Jeff Nichols' movie, which was previously with Fox and then moved to Focus. They gave the movie up. So now it's opening this summer. Kinds of Kindness, which is Searchlight. Fancy Dance, which is a new movie starring Lily Gladstone that is Apple. Janet Planet, which is A24. And Thelma, which was a hit out of Sundance with June Squibb. Oh, right, June Squibb.

Which is Magnolia. I've seen one, two, three, four of the five. Liked all four. That's weird that on that day, and this is the day before, this is the week before Quiet this is the week before A Quiet Place Part Day 1 and Horizon. Which is also, like,

before 4th of July, right? Correct. June 28th is that weekend. And Daddy-O, starring Dakota Johnson, looks bad. The July 4th movie

is a spectacle to me for. Oh, right. That's the big July 4th weekend. But that June 21st date is kind of a weird one, kind of interesting. I don't know how we get people excited about

seeing all those movies, but we should have like a review. I think the people who listen this far in the podcast will probably be seeking those out

before Despicable Me 4. You're probably right. What if Knox and I host a screening of Despicable Me 4? I think Universal would welcome it. I think they would.

I think you should ask them if that's something they're interested in. Well, you won't show him any other Despicable Me content ahead of time? No. Okay.

He's like, he doesn't, I was very nervous. I guess he knew Do Re Mi, the song, before we sat down and watched Sound of Music. But you know, it's like raining all weekend

and that song comes an hour into the movie. And I. But, you know, it's like raining all weekend. And that song comes an hour into the movie. And I was like, well, let's just try it. Let's just sit him down. We'll start at the beginning. We'll see when he starts protesting. Just sat all the way through. Interesting.

When will he start listening to Limp Bizkit? Can I tell you one other thing that's under the radar that I'm excited about? Well, two things, actually. There's two documentaries coming to Disney Plus this summer. Yeah, other Beach Boys, sure. You and I are both very excited about it. The Beach Boys documentary. Come on, you don't have to tell me. Like, I'm pretty pumped.

Like, I don't think it's going to be Get Back or anything like that. I don't think it's going to be as great as that. But, I mean, the Beach Boys, another, like, kind of meeting point for us. Us and, like, every single other you know sure just go with me person our age but yes may 24th this film is coming to disney plus very excited uh the other one i think a week later is a jim henson documentary that i've already seen called idea man that i loved directed by ron howard now i'm a big fucking jim henson dork so it's easy for to get me that one, but what an interesting life.

I mean, just a fascinating life. Very strange fellow. Just the world of creativity inside of him. Highly recommend that movie. Other honorable mentions for you? No, I think that's all of them. Will you be seeing Long Legs? I don't know what that is,

and I meant to Google it, but... It's a very disturbing Nicolas Cage horror movie. It's had some great marketing. Probably not, unless you want me to google it but it's a very disturbing nicholas cage horror movie it's had some great marketing probably not unless you want me to see it oh inside out too sure i cried and set out one you know yeah we haven't shown that to alice yet i'm human we just started the pixar journey for real for real what'd you start with she had already seen finding nemo and toy story a while ago but we just did up. Oh, I mean. It hit.

It hit. It did? It did. Did she cry? No, but she gets like very intense at the end of these movies where she gets like locked in and like you can't say anything to her. Okay. Like she won't interact with you at all, which, you know, who can relate? Yeah.

So I don't, we're going to go on a journey here. Ratatouille is probably on the list. Got to go through some other Toy Story Story movies Not sure what else we'll do It's like too early for Incredibles And Cars and stuff like that Oh cause they're scary? Yeah they're just more intense Okay

But um I'm excited for Inside Out 2 as well Sing Sing also with Coleman Domingo Oh sure It's coming out this summer Which is more Is not more on mode at all But

Looking forward to that I think that's The Watchers? M. Night's daughter's film? I'm happy for them. I believe in daughters of great filmmakers. You certainly do. Also becoming great filmmakers.

Can you name more than one? Bryce Dallas Howard made a movie. I mean, Francesca Scorsese on TikTok. Sure, that's a good one. Oh, yeah. But that is her own medium. Yeah. Also, speaking of TikTok, Romy Marsorsese on TikTok. Sure. That's a good one. Oh, yeah. But that is her own medium. Yeah. Also, speaking of TikTok, Romy Mars, granddaughter of and daughter of.

Who's? Romy is Sophia's daughter with the, I have to make the pasta because I got suspended. That was incredible. I mean, that was true art. You think it's going to be a good summer? We can make it a good summer. Let's have fun. You're just bailing on me on like July 13th.

No, I'm coming back. But then I'm going to be gone. We'll make it work, you know? Again, you've hurt my feelings. This kind of reminds me of the Dead Reckoning episode. I depend on you. Horses out of my control. And I tried to control them.

And it didn't work out. Okay. But it's, you know, the one thing is like this summer is not like last summer where there is like a very obvious central movie weekend that we literally are planning our summers around. As we did last year, my in-laws are still like, how did you know that Barbie and Oppenheimer would be like such an event that you actually planned our vacation around it and I was like well I'm not a genius I just this is what I do

for a living but there isn't really a center in that way you're 100% right about that and the year before that was Top Gun Maverick

which was like a different kind of center I think I think part of it is that the center there are centers they're just not in our core

Despicable Me 4 and deadpool and wolverine are going to be fucking big those are going to be really popular movies those are on our list they are on our list but in a very tongue-in-cheek way like not in a i can't wait for barbenheimer kind of way yeah well so you know we got spoiled two summers in a row you lose some you do that's why you gotta enjoy it when it comes to you and then make the best of whatever. At this time next year, we'll be previewing Paul Thomas Anderson's summer film. Yeah. So that's great.

On IMAX. On IMAX. Why not? What else? Any closing thoughts? I like summer. You know, I'm in a better mood. So, and I just, I haven't stopped thinking about the oreo cheesecake now i feel like i have to bring one to work that's

gonna it's gonna slow me down getting here for the recording time and it's gonna be an issue i don't know no i mean you said tom cruise was an inspiration now you gotta bring cake to it listen i eat old food. So you can like buy it and then put it in the refrigerator. I'm a parent. I can't not eat leftovers anymore. You know what I learned last night though? So in addition to Knox being like,

no talking, I realized that he doesn't really like old food either. And he like, but really responds to real food. And I was like, shit, I'm raising tiny Sean. Like that is really talk about karma you know well that will be wonderful obviously we've discussed this when nox and

i are locked in on like david cronenberg's 38th film sure but i did put the mets on for him because i wasn't able to turn on the dodgers i'm glad you said he started crying thanks for the time for you clear out amanda because the mets are back the mets are so back and we wait until the end of the pod so everybody hates when we talk about sports the inning that we watched was not confidence inspiring Pete Alonso bottom of the seventh like had a had a real chance and just whiffed and then I think I told Dax I was like Uncle Sean called that man gutless no no no no no I did not I said that some people might say I was like can you say gutless no did I say that Bobby no I I didn't and I might say. I was like, can you say gutless? No. Did I say that, Bobby? No.

I didn't and I wouldn't. And I love Pete. I'm on the record about Pete. I love Pete. I hope Pete is a Met for life. But I got to say that there's some David Stern's voodoo magic going on right now, man. Bobby, you've been a doubter. Whatever.

I'm still a doubter. All the dudes that he signed who I was like, who is that? Has been kicking ass so i some stuff's happening is is it all fake is it all april nonsense probably april 18th yeah it's early i get it but we were so down bad so no i know i and and this is the sport that you get to be on the emotional roller coaster with and i i accept it and even to some degree support it. There's so many games. It's so hard.

Like, you can't get off the train. Well, are you going to do this for the Knicks? Because I don't really think I can abide that. Not on the pod, because I don't think that's fun to talk about. Okay. But I mean, of course. I mean, it's a very complicated time.

Yeah. All of my dearest friends are from Philadelphia, a city that I despise. Sure, but I thought you quit the Mets. No, no. I did in 2013 as a bit. Okay. So now you're back.

Okay. But I'm back. That's fine. I can only really handle one of these. I can support you with the Mets. I probably watch. I don't know what to say about the Jets, my guy. They've had a wonderful offseason.

They have. I don't know what to say. I mean, it could go terribly awry. Your quarterback is going to be running for president. He's not. Or vice president. He's not. It's been revealed that he's going to be arrested by the woke mob.

I think, yeah, Sheriff Bobby Wagner will be coming through to put the cuffs on him. I mean, you know, he just said some stuff about Fauci yesterday that I'm like, shut the fuck up. Stop talking. Like, just go play football play football like i honestly don't know what's going on with this every time he says the word remdesivir he should be shocked with several voltages i also thought the nfl like had some sort of protections in place or like aren't they famously uptight and punitive yeah Yeah. But only to black players? In the other direction. Not in the direction that he's moving in.

Great. I will not and cannot defend Aaron Rodgers' public statements, period. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about. I hope he can play 17 games and take the Jets to the playoffs. I freaking need it to happen. I need it to happen.

You're a wonder. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I really enjoy interrogating this psychological corner of your brain. Something is going to happen where one of the teams is going to win. Like, it's going to happen

in the next 20 years. And then I don't know what I'm going to do. In the next 20 years? I've been waiting. Of the teams that I root for, it has been 38 years since one of them won a title. Have you ever thought that maybe you're the problem? No, because it happened when I was alive.

It happened when I was alive. Well, I'm just saying. Right? So it can't be me. Was there some demon born on like October 8th, 1986? Was there some Rosemary's baby? Isn't that like the actual, well, no, that was good for the Mets

and bad for the Sox, right? Correct. In 86, yeah. That was the last championship for a Mets, Jets, Knicks team. I love sports. You excited for tennis season? I have,

I cede the floor to the tennis expert. You are the tennis expert. I like tennis. That's me dancing to Sandstorm in my head because they haven You are the tennis expert. I like tennis. That's me dancing to Sandstorm in my head because they haven't released the score yet. I know.

I'm waiting. I don't know about this Boys Noise remix. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm just I'm making my own soundtrack. Yeah.

You're referring to challengers. Sports are wonderful. They're very painful. Movies are good too. I love films. I'd be dead without films. Where would I be right now? In a basement.

What would I be doing, honestly? The question is, would you be Josh Harden or would you be the person tied up on Josh Harden's camera? Could go either way. What a great episode. Bobby, thank you for your work on this episode. That's Bobby Wagner. He's our producer

my pleasure I will be back next week to speak with Chris Ryan should I see Imaginary and come in and give my report I would welcome that I believe it's available

for rent oh oh then I could definitely see it so yes you're welcome we'll be recording at 1030 I can workshop

my Roomba takes if you'd like I don't think there's a single Roomba in the film Imaginary, so I don't know where you're getting that from. It was just a bear sliding across the floor. Do you think that they used a Roomba to do that and then edited the Roomba out? I don't.

I don't. No. You could literally just put a stuffed animal on a string and pull it. Alrighty. Have you seen Late Night with the Devil? No. Do you know what that is?

No. Do you know who David Dastmalchian is? No. This has been The Ringer's Movie Podcast. The big picture. We shall return next week to talk about more movies. you