The Big Picture - The 1990s Horror Movie Canon and ‘I Know What You Did Last Summer.’ Plus: The ‘KPop Demon Hunters’ Revolution.

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Sean and Amanda start the show by briefly reacting to the box office performance of ‘The Fantastic Four: First Steps’ and wondering whether or not superhero movies will ever return to the levels of the MCU golden days (1:39). Then, they bring in Andy Greenwald to discuss Netflix’s newest animated success, ‘KPop Demon Hunters,’ which they were initially skeptical of but eventually became charmed by, and they hypothesize what makes a big cultural hit in 2025 (4:46). Next, Sean and Amanda unpack the new slasher legacy sequel ‘I Know What You Did Last Summer,’ starring Madelyn Cline and Chase Sui Wonders, which they found incredibly condescending. They talk through why they found the script, performances, and kill sequences to be deeply unsuccessful (38:28). Finally, they reflect on what many consider to be the weakest decade of the horror genre and create their 1990s Horror Movie Canon (1:04:59). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Andy Greenwald Producer: Jack Sanders THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY THE STARBUCKS COFFEE COMPANY. ORDER NOW | STARBUCKS.COM/MENU Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This episode of the big picture is presented by Starbucks. We are big Starbucks Frapecino fans over here. So when we heard about the new Strato Frappuccino blended beverage, we had to try it. It's a craveworthy iced blended beverage topped with cold foam, making for delicious layers of flavor. I love how Starbucks leans into the seasons, especially summer. From vibrant refreshers to cold blended beverages, there's always something exciting to sip on. Available now for a limited time only, your strato Frapecino blended beverage is ready at Starbucks. I'm Sean Fennacy. And this is the big picture of conversation show about demon hunters and teens in peril. Today on the show, we break down two new releases, the Netflix animated sensation and one of the year's big surprises,

K-pop demon hunters, with our pal Andy Greenwald from the watch. That'll be fun. And then we'll dig into, I know what you did last summer, the same name. sequel to the 1997 horror hit. After that, I'll present to you my 90s horror movie canon. I have some notes. You have some, okay? I can participate at least halfway. I was there in the 90s. I look forward to that. Ten films I'll choose from an entire decade, a very strange decade in horror. Let's start this conversation with some quick catch-up on the Fantastic Four and its box office performance. We didn't like the movie very much. We talked about it last week. Listeners completely agreed this in another great episode. Put it in the books.

I heard from a friend and an academy member who agreed. So there we go. Amazing. Pedro Pascal called you. Unbelievable. How connected you are. The movie did pretty good at the box office. It's more or less the same report that we had with Superman. This movie made $118 million on 4,125 screens here in North America.

It made $100 million internationally. Roughly the same as Superman after the opening weekend. Superman dipped, I guess, about 54% in its second weekend. We'll see what Fantastic Force Hold is. I've been talking about the life cycle of superhero movies a lot in the last couple of years on the show. It seems like things are kind of settling.

You know, where this is still a big, important part of the business. Right, but it's not... Not the most important part of the business. And this movie is probably going to end up in that, like, between $600 and $700 million range, just like Superman. I mentioned after Superman, we don't get $880 million superhero movies, let alone billion-dollar superhero movies. One of the reasons for that.

China could care less about superhero movies now. They just don't go. Europe is increasingly less interested. The MCU's been flagging. The DCU is starting something new. So I am curious, aside from your Lilo and Stitches, kind of like, what moves into the position of these kinds of movies? I mean, I think if we've learned that it's, there are more smaller, and not small, but

the literal wealth just gets sprinkled out a little bit more. Not in any real Marxist way, but at least amongst the corporations. And, you know, we've just, we're not going to get another Avengers end game that any like business school case study could have told you that, but they're trying anyway. And what's amusing now is that we have them trying to reheat offenders end game on the calendar for the end of next year. And it just ain't going to happen in the same way. No, it'll make, it'll make a lot of money.

Money, but it's not going to, you know, that was a magical once in a lifetime thing that they did. Congratulations to them. Congratulations to everyone who was a part of it. You can't reheat a souffle. It's interesting for this show too, because aside from Supergirl, which is a big movie, but more smaller stakes than these last two that we talked about. Sure. Why is that? Clearly, because she's a woman. Yeah, exactly. No, I think it's it's not Superman.

You know, it's not a character as well-known as Superman. And I think it's going to be an ostensible sort of semi-related sequel. But that movie and Clayface, which I anticipate, but I think it's also a more modest movie.

Aside from those two movies, no superhero movies for a year. Okay. Which is kind of cool. I guess so. Not bad. I mean, I'd love for these movies to be a little bit better

than they have been. Instead, we're just going to have a demon hunter TV show. well we'll get to that very shortly um i don't really have any other takeaways on the box office here it does seem like everything is kind of settled the event movies gets to 700 everything else gets to 400 right that's it yeah okay uh well let's bring in andy greenwald Andy Greenwald is here.

When's the last time you're on the show? Miyazaki? I only come on to talk about kids cartoons. That's true. That's the level of respect you have for my film opinions. But that's only because your podcast partner will not allow you to speak of these things on your show. It's true. And I feel very CR-coded right now because I just came off of 90 minutes of the watch,

at which point I usually then go home to a nice lunch. And Chris comes and does like an hour. or two of grafting in you guys. And here you are. So here I am in the middle seat. And now we're going to litigate your opinions of Porco Rosso. I'm going to litigate your opinions on Fantastic Four, which were obscene, frankly. Wow.

So we've heard. So we've heard. Shocking. You disagree. I loved it. Okay. I completely loved it. I'm happy for you.

The woke marble virus has made its way into this podcast somehow. No, I'll let it be. I let it be. I do feel. You had a rejoinder on your podcast. I did. I had a strong rejoinder, I think. I do often feel like our podcasts are in dialogue with one there.

Yes, even though we rarely see each other anymore. Rarely see each other. We see literally passing in the hallways. Also, there is an incredible alpha energy from your podcast. First of all, because just the way you have me sitting, where I cannot get comfortable and I feel the glare of both of you. That's part of the strategy. It works. The other reason being, last week, I believe I reached out to both of you to appear on the watch because I love you both and love your opinions.

Right. It didn't work out. And somehow the result of this humble recording. quest is that I'm here on your podcast. That is true and that is extremely random because it's not often that you're on this show. And 99 out of 100 times, I would be happy to appear on the watch. Yeah. But that was a day that was just not going to work.

You know why? We had to go see the Fantastic Four. Yeah. Well, you were lucky then. And then you volunteered because you really wanted to talk about it. I was worried. It was kind of like, no, really, guys. Do you want to talk about it?

And then we said yes. Yes. And I was so eager to have you on the podcast, Amanda. We just re-ran an episode to stick the landing. I know, but it was fun. Just because we wanted you. Lean us back, you know? Lean us back.

So you did ask, and I was planning to do this, and I don't even know if I had made you aware of the fact that I was planning to do this on the show regardless. But I'm so glad that you raised your hand on it because this movie, I think you could make the case, K-pop Demon Hunters, is one of the biggest movies of the summer. It's probably been seen by more people than any of the summer blockbusters that we've covered on the show. just given Netflix's audience, right? You know, the viewership data and stuff is famously opaque,

but the stat that was getting thrown around last week was that this was the first ever Netflix movie to week over week grow so that the fifth week viewing minutes was exponentially larger than the fourth third second and first. And only 10% of that was coming from my house. Yeah, well, I'm wondering how much of it

is going to be coming from mine now that I've seen it with a four-year-old girl. Yes. So, K-pop Demon Hunters is directed by Maggie Kang and Chris Appelhans. It's written by Dana Jimenez, Hannah McMennon, Maggie Kang and Chris Applehans. This is a movie about a K-pop group

who are demon hunters. First of all, I don't want to tell you guys how to do your jobs or filmmakers, but like, Eddington, what's that about? You know what I mean? Angry, woke sheriff would be a better name for that movie, I assume. It's a very good point.

Put the name, put what the movie is in the title. This is what I think made me a little bit nervous about this movie, is that this is real AI-generated slop. Slop idea of just like, please say all adjectives and nouns that are correlated to subject matter as opposed to something with the spirit of creativity. And yet, I found this movie to be very enjoyable. It's very enjoyable. So I know that you're going to love it.

This is a complicated one for you. There are demons and there are hunters and it's animated. It was a rocky first four minutes. Do you want to recite the text message you sent me? Well, I received a note very early on in Mend's viewing. I would love to say it was Friday night, night before Sean's birthday. Happy birthday, by the way. Yeah, happy birthday to Sean.

You sent me a note that. That was very kind. Thank you. Our children are asleep, and my husband took Sean out for a birthday drink, which is a lovely thing to do. So mom, home alone, Friday night. Crack a wine cooler. hit the K-pop demon hunters. And the first four minutes are of just a frantic origin story about all of the,

all of like the demon history of the world. And the pop history. Sure, but it's way more demon coded in the first four minutes. A lot of magical force. And I would say of all of the things in the title that are bringing this to me to this movie, being K-pop demons and hunters, my ranking would be one K-pop, two hunters,

three demons. So I was, I sent you a text that said, I'm four minutes into K-pop demon hunters, what the fuck is this? But then I kept watching. Good for you.

You're good. I watched the whole film, and I was quite charmed by it. There were things that I really liked, some things that were just clearly not meant for me, like a 40-year-old mom at home on a Friday night with her wine cooler and her load of laundry, which I did fold. I am the hero of the family.

I folded all the laundry. But I get it a little. I get it. And it is charming. So you have young girls in the house. Yes. And I think this movie is very clearly pitched directly at them. Yes.

So did you watch it with them first? No. So one of the things that, you know, my kids are a little older than your kids, but one of the things that does come into play later in parenting is the opportunity of the, hey, here you go, and you rolled across the room and you buy yourself some time. And I saw this, I was just referencing this on the Watch podcast, but my children changed the avatar names on my Netflix account.

So I get emails that say, Daddy, we just added a movie you might like, which is so lorry. Really perverse. But I was aware of this movie from the title, and I was like, tick, tick all the boxes, like, you guys should watch this. They loved it. Then I tried that trick again.

We were at a Fourth of July party that they did not want to attend. Sure. And they threw it on there with other kids that were there. They loved it. And I was like, this is an incredible magic trick

that will never run out of juice. The downside of my plan was they liked it so much. They wanted to share it with me. And they wanted to listen to the songs and they were getting really into it. And I was being super supportive of that always, as I am.

Right. And then my older daughter went to sleepaway camp. My younger daughter was like, please watch this with me. And I was like, yes. I know it's very sweet. I need to appreciate these moments. I did not think that this would be one of the children's entertainments that I really, really legitimately liked. So much so that when the movie ended, I did ask her, can you tell when I really like something?

And she said, yes. What does that mean? What are you indicating to her when you are connecting with something with her? Um, well, I think I, I think I am actually present. Phone doesn't come out. No phone, no thinking about all the things I could have done with my evening or my life. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

We can call that the Elio experience, you know. Yeah. This was not, this was not that. Took a quick nap here on that one. And that can be a relief in the theater. It's air conditioning. But I am so K-pop Demon Hunters turned out. Like, I have now added golden to my best songs of the years.

ongoing playlist. Like I'm super locked in. I thought that this movie was so much lighter, brighter, more charming than it needed to be. I thought it was serving a type of entertainment that really resonated with my daughters, but also just resonated with itself. It had a point of view. It had a cultural point of view. It had a musical point of view. They did the songs as they should have been done. You guys know that in any fictional music story, making the songs legitimately sound like that they could be number ones is almost impossible. They did it. Not once or twice, but like five times.

I mean, there are five legitimate K-pop-sounding mega hits on this soundtrack, which are now staggering Spotify's playlist. And like when you have a song like Soda Pop in it, the premise has written, you know, maybe yada yada in the script is demons must come up with a song so diabolically catchy that people willingly give up their eternal souls and someone met the moment. Yeah. you know, and came up with that song.

I mean, it's a banger. It felt, and I want to hear what you guys think about this very much, like there's a lot of Drek, and there's a lot of okay. And it's been depressing that like former, you know, reliable sources of more than okay like Pixar have now just sort of devolved into this samey okayness. So to have something that just literally popped. So fantastic four you liked, you said.

Loved it. Okay. Joy. the same daughter that like this didn't like it as much as I did but interesting I think that this is this is a much better movie than what I'm going to cite

but it feels very in concert with the Minecraft movie which is a kind of collision of tones and styles and reference points all in a stew with an energy that young kids are relating to because they have experienced culture in a slightly different way than we did it is faster

it is less homogenized. It is more international. It is more antic. And I think they're more open-minded about the weirdness. It does remind me a little bit of like Jim Henson taking hard left turns in the 80s and 90s

where you'd be like, yeah, like how far can I take my interest in puppetry and how far will kids come with me? Did you relate to that? But this movie is that going 100 miles an hour. It also has like a very interesting meta-textual almost like mockumentary style where there's like a lot of characters who are going into

camera and they're explaining the lore via social media or normal media and there's just a lot of information coming at you in a very rapid fire way that is happening alongside of classic things like girl falls in love with demon and what will that mean for her eternal soul you know i think that you're very right to point out that there is a cultural fluency among younger people of like manga for example and so this movie the characters you know the style is like it's called chibi right when the faces become little baby faces and tears or popcorn and it becomes it's highly stylized. My kids read manga comics and watch anime. Like, they get that. That is not a bridge that's too difficult to cross for entry in it. I think the Minecraft thing is interesting because I agree

with you that it has the kind of like the manic energy of the games that they, my kids now also play. Minecraft movie, thanks for having me on to talk about it. I was dreading. The real world parts of it. I thought were inspired. And I loved, like, I was laughing more than anyone in the theater in the early parts. It gets, it gets away with a lot because of its cast. But then once they went into the world, then it becomes like all entertainments of like, we have to save the thing and do the thing. And we survived this somehow and then we move on. I thought this movie stayed a little bit more. I mean, it's a lighter subject matter, but it stayed, it stayed more true to its particular rhythm. I had an interesting experience watching it with my four-year-old.

Yeah. So the previous day when we watched this, which was my birthday, the thing that we did in the morning was she and I went to the Egyptian theater to go to a free screening sponsored by Mattel of Barry Lyndon. No, they did not sponsor Barry Lyndon. We went to go see two 1983 episodes of He-Man and two 1983 episodes of Shira. Whoa. And the reason for that is because Shira is her favorite thing in the world right now. There is a Netflix series right now, which is excellent. Shira, the Princess of Power.

Did she wear her dress? She didn't, but she brought her action figure. Okay. And her two favorite things are princesses and warriors. And if you put these two things together, this is an incredibly powerful stew. And this is like an elevation of that. This is pop stars who are warriors. Can I ask you, did she like the cartoon?

Because I tried to show, my kids loved the Shira Netflix show. And I was like, you know what this was when I was a kid? And they were like just in. I think she was. They were dying with laughter, how weird and dumb it was. The origin of her liking Shira, I think I told you this once on the show before, but we were in video tech in Highland Park, and she's just looking at the kid section and just pulling stuff off the shelves and looking at it. And she just pulled off the 80s she was just like, what is this? Who is this person who is my icon? And we watched that. So she had already seen the 80s version. She was comfortable with it. But there's just like a certain kind of story. You know, a strong woman with a blade is of interest to her right now. And that's interesting. Wait until she gets the basic instinct. And so this was right up her alley. And plus the music, I don't think that we have necessarily grounded her in pop music.

A lot of the music that we play is either you're in ballet class or musicals, like Disney musicals, or maybe like the Beatles or like 60s pop music. Amanda's kid's listening to Bjork. I saw that over the weekend. He's listening to Bjork. He's listening to a lot of Abba. I didn't play him this music. He's just a little bit younger than Alex. Alice and also the boys don't mature quite as quickly, emotionally.

You could tell right now on this podcast. So I did think that he would be a little freaked out by this and he was also asleep. But I think he might like the music. Sometimes it gets too poppy. Like, Beyonce, Cowboy Carter is a yes. Okay. Rihanna SOS was a recent heartbreaking no. Huh.

Interesting. Well, because that, because the cowboy quarter is rooted in Americana, right, in our spirit of the country and Western film. And as a terrible mother, I've tried to play him brat many times. And he literally, like, he recognizes the songs and knows to say no brat. So I don't know whether this would be a little too. This is another thing. It is really fast pace. And so he is, he is smaller.

So I was wondering whether it might overwhelm him. Yeah. I think there's kind of like a magic age that he hasn't quite reached. My kids are the magic age. Because it's like they love the music, they love the humor, they love the premise. But there's also a little bit like, oh, Genu is beautiful. Like he's a beautiful boy maybe worth losing your immortal soul floor. But then also the core friend, I mean, we haven't gotten specifically into it, but like the core group of Huntrix.

Right. Which is, why don't you say it with me, Amanda, because we know their name so well. There's Rumi, there's Mira and there's, of course, from Burbank, Zoe. I'm more of a mirror, I think. 100%. I'm more of Zoe. Roomy, obviously. Yeah, yeah.

We didn't know to say, self-identify. I'm the kind of funny rapid one. That that core group, like, they just light up in the scenes in the movie that are very intentional and thoughtful of, can we have a break from touring? Let's, oh, we'll put on our...

Couch, couch, couch. Very funny stuff. And like, let's relax, let's rest. Let's be friends. Because the other thing that I think is essential to their fandom and maybe the fandom of all young people or maybe specifically young girls

is it's not just I love the music. It's not just I love the imagery or the concerts. I believe deeply in a before you learn the word parisocial way that these are good people. Yes. You know, and who are actually friends. Like my older daughter believes Taylor Swift to be one of the greatest humans

who's ever lived due to her generosity and her benevolence. I know, I know. And that she's legitimately friends with Sabrina. I need to I need to explore that with you. This is giving away what we will soon talk about

and I know what you did last summer but that to me is one of the key flaws of that movie. Which movie? K-pop. I know what you did last summer which is that it wants us to be really rooting

for the characters and love them and believe in their friendship. And it's a slasher movie. And I'm wondering if there's just something slightly generational that has transpired

where like we need a kind of unity amongst our protagonists to get interested in their stories if we're a little younger whereas I'm like, you know, the American man in 1952 you know, it's just fucking Shane.

It's Shane and he's all in his own. Where's the mirror solo album? Right. Which one is going to actually pop off because frankly, the other Saja boys don't have it. It's an interesting question. They're funny. Can I ask a, like an extension of that

which is in addition to the movie has the concept of the fan and we have to do this for the fans and this is something that they keep repeating which I thought was notable and really did your daughters

get that? Did that make sense to them? Yes, I think that I mean the movie ends with them stepping down from the golden dais of celebrity to interact and be kind to people and I think that that perpetuates one of the deepest

deepest planks of the illusion of modern fandom, which is that we would be friends, or they would choose to be my friend, or they know me, they see me. They're doing it for me. But the movie is like, is really, really pushing that as well as part of the character's development of these people. This is so profoundly different, though, than the way that we experience popular culture. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Whether we were deifying or the sense that no one cares about me, but they're, they're like, no one cares about me that the artist experiences is also how I feel. And so we can relate to their alienation. That's kind of, that's not in the, in the, in the, in the, in the sauce at all.

In pop music right now, in art, in TV. But the, like, the, the, the, the, the character, right, is the greatest pop singer of her era, and she's about to not only top the charts for the unprecedented whateverth year, but she's also going to seal the,

what's the word again in Korean? The Hanmoon. Thank you. To seal demons out forever, but Twist, she's half demon. And I do wish the movie had dealt a little bit more into the union that produced her.

Maybe there's a prequel of some sort. You know, how that works. When we were watching it, I watched it with Eileen as well. And she was like, so how did she, what's going on here with this? I was like, I assume a woman fucked a demon. You got to assume, right? So for a while I thought it was going to be Saleem. And then Saline, so the Celine character was underdeveloped, I felt.

That would be a note that I have. I agree with that. Selina's her aunt or like her foster demon hunter mom. Right, exactly. But then turns on her because she's like, she doesn't actually believe in her the way that her friends do or something. I don't know. And maybe demons aren't so bad. Yeah.

But then actually they are. Right. So she is half demon, so she is the problem and she can't. She's hiding this from everyone. But the narrative of the songs is also deeply character-based, right? And it is this sign of like contemporary pop triumphalism that like everybody doubted me, but I'm going to be golden. I'm going to show my haters.

I'm not actually demon. I'm the greatest. Right. But it is translated through this Korean lens, right, that I think I'm not a K-pop expert and don't even want to pretend to be. But like, the release schedule and the performative politics and almost athletics of being a pop star felt accurate from my just sort of adjacent awareness of it. And that felt accurate, right? I think as close as you can get in a kind of genre blend up that features a very clear real world artistic state.

and then everything else in the story is fantastical. So like making all that seem legible to audiences, I think is a good thing. I think it's one of the reasons why the songs are hitting is because there is just a big audience out in the world for these songs. It's a really unusual thing though because one, original animated features

just super hard to pull off right now. Yeah, not just in terms of story, but like you've chosen an aesthetic for the movie and that was partly my barrier for entry when I heard the girls talk about it. I thought, my first thought was this is Netflix slop. This is just filling the algorithm. My second thought

was that, and I don't know why this is, I just focused more on like the demon hunters thing. So I was like, it's probably a little bit just like over the top emo whatever. And the fact that it was charming. The fact that it was funny, that's what kind of caught me off guard and drew me it.

Yes. For me, like the K-pop aspects of it. As much as like, and explain it, like K-pop, I'm not an expert either. It's something that I'm aware of. I'm just too old. So I did feel like this was kind of explaining welcoming me into the culture a little bit. And it does a good job, I think, of both feeling very specific to that world while also throwing those of us who don't know anything, a bone here and there. And I think the animation style is not a totalizing, alienating anime approach that some people

might have a hard time watching, you know, Akira. Like there is still something like very, very pop about this. It's like very live, thin lines, very candy color, like very approachable for any. Lovely choreography that I'm like it. But so here's maybe a broader question for you guys also, not just as parents, but as film commentators at the forefront of this stuff. This really did, I think your Minecraft point is very smart and well taken because I think that what we've been experiencing a lot of is this top down hierarchy of kids' movies disappearing up adults as. So, like, the fact that Pixar has become a factory of, let's explore abstract concepts and emotions through, like, as if they're trying to solve for cold fusion as opposed to entertain families is so bizarre. And so wildly divorced from kids like playing video games on the iPad and they like listening to K-pop.

So let's meet the kids where they are. Right. It's really striking. It's also something that I've been pointing out over the last couple years, which is just like, this is the same. story of success new but familiar this is like these are things that you know about but you've never seen them quite like this before you've played Minecraft but have you seen it in a movie you know about Barbie have you ever seen her story told this way like the things that kind of pop in the culture now that go bigger than the just like you know the balance sheets have cleared for

superman stuff that kind of elevates a little bit beyond that tends to have it's not creatively revolutionary but it just feels a little bit different than what the last 10 or 15 years have felt like this is a very strange thing though because Because one, it's on Netflix, and so obviously their native audience is massive, but it's hard for things to become phenomenons as movies. Made by Sony, though, right? But it's made by Sony. This is the fourth Sony film that this one I'm not quite sure at it.

So the Mitchells versus the machines four years ago. That was COVID, right? They, like, picked that movie up during COVID. That's a really good animated film. It gets a lot of burn in my house still. I really liked it. I had the filmmaker on when it came out. I didn't realize that both Wish Dragon and Vivo were all.

also Sony Pictures animation movies, and those are seen as Netflix movies. Vivo had a Lin-Manuel Miranda Miranda soundtrack on it. Those movies have been seen quite a bit in my house. So now there's this movie. This is the fourth one, and then the fifth one, fixed the Gendie Tartikovsky movie,

which is like kind of a Renan Stimpy-esque, like PG-13 raunchy dog comedy is also coming out in August. My question is, why is Sony selling animated movies that people want to see to Netflix? This one is... I mean, I don't know if it's hindsight.

because you see the kind of response this is having, and you're like, why did they just give up hundreds of millions of dollars? There's no way they would have reached as many people in theaters, of course. It is a little bit, though, that it's finding the distribution to get to that. And the fact that, I mean, do you know how many times your daughters have watched it at this point? Well, one is safely at camp without Wi-Fi. But otherwise, and by the way, in terms of communication from camp, the only thing that has gotten an exclamation point to me is the fact that I watched and liked this movie.

Okay. That is saved my summer. But no, I think we're at a, we're at three or four, and then when she gets back, it's going to, we're going to get it to five and six. So, and that's, you know, that's, it's hard to repeat in the same way. Like, does it become the same level of phenomenon in theaters? Maybe not, but Sony movies are already in the S-Fod window. So this movie was going to Netflix no matter what. So it's unusual now. This is four movies in a row that I think could have at least made some money theatrically. Can you guys, as in your role as, you know, watchers on the wall of this stuff, like, do you, is there, is there a, is there a connective tissue here or a discussion point in relation to, you know, the one thing that the COVID windows taught us, right, about, like, if you put Pixar movies on TV, then families and kids are like, why are we going to the theater for it? We get it at home. Like, is there. But this is an inversion of that. That's what I'm saying. So, like, is there some. I think previously Pixar was theatrical. And, and these movies don't have any kind of. native setup. They're just sort of, they're just new movies that are on Netflix. Right. Um, so I don't know if there's a lot you can glean from it other than, I'm sure Sony is getting paid a premium to put these

movies on the platform first. And that's a financial decision that they've made. But in doing so, they are doing the same thing that Disney and Pixar accidentally did, which is that they harmed their theatrical power. Yes. By not making these a primary part of their strategy in terms of putting movies out. And Sony, you know, it's like, they're not having the greatest year in the world. I just watched another Sony movie called Until Dawn, which is a video game adaptation horror movie that they put out earlier this year in theaters that kind of bombed, and I think people

are watching on Netflix now, but isn't very good. So, you know, I don't have the like balance sheet answer for this, but this was clearly going to be a movie that was going to connect with people just on the strength of the pop songs. The fact that five of the top seven songs on Spotify are from this movie

is remarkable. The other two are episodes of the big picture, I believe. Can neither confirm nor deny. Probably not the fantastic four episodes. No, I turned that off I don't know what got into you guys that day. So your kids have seen Elio. Yeah, yeah. Dogman?

My younger daughter saw it without me. She went with a friend. And a parent. They are not. Nisja, too. I don't know what that is. It's the highest grossing film worldwide this year. That's right.

I was just testing you. Chinese news. You passed. Thank you. Smurfs? No, even they're like, come on. I mean, everybody knows. Will they see bad guys too?

Very excited for bad guys. Big bad guys fans. Okay. SpongeBob movies search for square pants. Can't imagine it because culturally that has no relevance to them. They're too young. They were too young and I'm too old. I don't know any of those in the square, so I don't get that one.

Zootopia 2. Okay, great question. Super pumped. Also, may I say, before my screening of Fantastic 4 First Steps, truly a great film that I saw this weekend, there was the Zutopia 2 trailer. Yeah. And my daughter and I were so thrilled, not just, she was thrilled because there's a Zootopia 2. this trailer doesn't have any scenes from the movie.

It's just the, it's their dancing. Yes, it is, it's a TikTok video. Let's do more of this. There is a trailer that communicates, right. The two most important things, one, this exists. Yeah. And then for everyone else,

they're like, this has style. This has personality. It's good for a sequel. I think it would be a hard sell if it was in a rich. Oh, sure. But I'm saying, we don't need the whole. I don't disagree. You know, now that said,

because of our recent summer movie viewing, my eight-year-old has now seen the action trailer for one battle after another twice. Oh, yeah. And come with us opening night. Does not think this is going to be a good film. Okay. Really, really, really negative on this.

All right. And then got more negative when I said, see that guy? That's Jack from Titanic. Oh. No, it's not. That's really funny. No, it's not.

That is the hard movie of year. You guys have watched Titanic already. Well, again, when you have the two kids, my older daughter is obsessed with it. Yeah, of course. Titanic is going to go so hard in my house. I mean, I'll come over for that one. going to go crazy.

By the way, sidebar, I feel like all of us, or at least two of us, wandered into the filming of Cliff Booth this weekend on Figueroa. I did as well. We went to go see it because I read that it was happening. And now my son is just like absolutely obsessed with crane shots and was like also like mansplaining them by the end. He was like, so the cameras they go up there, they're sleeping right now. This is a serious request.

I already asked Sean this. If anyone listening has any recommendation of behind the scenes or like making of footage of like of big, big crane shots because we obviously went on YouTube and it's just like dudes with their like little 12 foot rigs. As someone who has made a TV show this tracks with all male directors

like of any age. I said he's born to be a cinema talk. I would let us know because like I showed him famous shots and he was like but where's the crane so that's what he wants to see. I recommend some of the Indiana Jones behind the scene stuff. I feel like there could be some good. Do you, my kids hate the Indiana Jones movies

Just uninterested. There's no K-pop team hundreds, I guess. So we, you know, right now in Highland Park on Figueroa, the old movie theater and then the shops are they're transformed into the, you know, I guess early 70s of this or late 60s of this film. So the Zenith store. The Zenith store. There's like a woman's dress. It looks great. It's going to be, it's a perfect setting for this.

Do you feel like this is going to affect your movie knowing that at any point Cliff Booth could cross the street and pay 1950 for an artisanal turkey sandwich a cookbook? I mean, we did buy the amazing cookbook banana bread after our visit. We will not be slandering cookbook on this podcast. I want you to know. I have been cookbook loyal since I lived in Echo Park, as I'm sure you were. I have to tell you. But the sandwich now costs 90. I'm going to look into the camera.

Those sandwiches are coming directly from Europe and these tariffs must end. That's one of the first things I ate after I gave birth to sigh. I was like, bring me the turkey sandwich that I've not had for like 10 months. That sandwich should be reserved. Only for people who have done incredible things. Thank you so much. Yes. Yeah. Not for just the crew of the Adventures of Cliff Booth. You know what I mean?

It is really nice that they're filming in Los Angeles, in our neighborhood. That was for this movie. Very great. Andy Greenwald, one of the best out. This is fun. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for letting me be a demon hunter. Any other films that we reviewed that you vehemently disagreed with us on that you would like to call us out on right now? First of all, thank you for the opportunity.

I would love to make this a recurring bit. I do think that we have many. mentioned every single film that I've seen in the last six months. Got it. Copy that. I think all three and a half of them have been covered. You saw Mission Impossible, Final Reckoning. Yeah, you and Chris were mad. Ugh. Big Mad. That was really... It's not very good.

It's not very good. I saw Superman. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Pretty good. Great. Saw Thunderbolts. Really liked it. I agree. It was good. And... All these haters forgot that I was like, Thunderbolts, good. Materialist. You seen it yet? Not yet. Check in with us. Not yet. I would like to have a conversation with you. I would as well.

I'm a songstress I love that first movie I love past lives this is a little different I need you to do materialists and too much and then we'll come on to watch okay

well you're welcome for the too much conversation here's my materialist thing can I can I do a before and after yeah sure past lives one of my favorite movies in the last few years for me like I can't wait to see what this woman

does next and then of all the people she could make a movie with she's at the height of her power right like coming off that movie She chooses Dakota to be in this movie? I'm on the record about this. I don't abide the Madam Webb Slander.

And that's what I call her. That's what her friends call her. They call her. Madam Webb on a, yeah, just on a daily basis. I think she's powerful. She's a poor performer. Yeah, I don't. I just, it could be.

She's not the only one in that movie. Here's a thing. Speaking of Fantastic Four. I just don't, I don't get it. Like, it's just maybe it's just like, it's like a color. Spectrum I can't see. Preaching to the choir, Andy. Okay.

I think Pedro is decent and fantastic for her. He's, he's, he's, I mean, it's a hard part. He's just Gumbie? Oh, well, his powers are dumb. Yeah. So I thought they, they, they, and always have been. So, he's just like, he's just like stressed and, and bad at public relations. He's not.

No, he's a smart guys. They didn't communicate that. He was really boring. The core of the movie that I feel like you guys missed, maybe, again, maybe this is a color spectrum you can't see. And I said this on the watch, but like, they get to the point where they're like, smartest man in the world, what's your solve here for the purple space god who's going to eat Earth? He's like, we're going to fucking teleport Earth. That's comic books. I love that. That's

insanity. And the movie was like, cool, great idea. I wanted that. That made me happy. Yeah. I'm really happy you found something you like. It's nice. Uh, thank you, Andy Greenwald. Look, this is basically like that web series where that guy argued with the fascists, right? It's a jubilee. You have the same setup here, and I was brave enough to do it. So let's see you guys step into the arena over across the hall. Studio 6. We'll have you back for the Fantastic 4 second steps. Fantastic 5?

No, Fantastic 4. Fantastic Franklin. Oh, there we go. Shit right to self. There we go. He saved his mom. I know, yeah. But the mama's really saved everyone else, you know.

And then she deserves a $19 sandwich. There we go. We're done. Solved it. Okay, and he's gone. Just me and you. Yeah. We can finally talk about what we've been longing to discuss.

I know what you did last summer. Yes. 2025. Yes. This movie is written and directed by Jennifer Caten Robinson. This is co-written by Sam Lansky. It stars Madeline Klein, Chase Suey Wonders, Jonah Howard King, Tyreek Withers, Sarah Pigeon, Billy Campbell, among others.

This is a legacy sequel slash reboot of, I would argue, the second most significant, not second best, but second most significant teen slasher. Yes. In the 1990s rebirth of horror. Yes. The Oppenheimer, two, screams Barbie. That seems a little generous to, I know what you did last summer. It's important.

And it did. And if you were there, which we were, it was a pop cultural moment that brought in like a whole new genre or introduced a generation to a whole new genre, brought, I think, horrible. like a little more mainstream and just and more pop and introduced a lot of very important stars. So I know what you did last summer is extremely important culturally, the original. Yep. It was a hit, like a solid hit for its time. I revisited the movie a couple of months ago.

I don't know if you had a chance to look at it again. Yeah. Not the greatest script in the world. Not the best performances you've ever seen. But you know when you can tell you're watching a studio movie from the 90s and all the people, who are on the crew, like, have spent 28 years learning their craft. And the movie just weirdly looks beautiful for a Hollywood movie. Like, it's lit gorgeously.

The staging is really nice. Real locations. It has, like, it's not a great movie by any means. But it has a kind of quality feeling that is not just, I'm not just speaking prismatically through my own nostalgia, because the script is not good. But it looks better than I think what a lot of films that are shot on digital look like now. It is contemporaneous with Dawson's Creek and also written by Kevin Williamson, who created Dawson's Creek. It is set on, like, you know, the southern coast, much like Dawson's Creek.

Of the American South, yes. Sure. And, you know, Dawson's Creek was also featured in, like, J. Crew catalogs in the 90s. There is, this was an aesthetic that was being created and was powerful in the moment. So, yeah, it's, I agree. Not as good as scream. And it is like lightweight, like amateur scream in a lot of ways. It was for the me's of the world and not for the use in the 90s.

But it's still something that we should respect. One of the best things that has going for it is its title. And it's sort of premise of receiving a note about the guilt that people feel. Anyone can relate to like, oh, that one thing I did. I hope no one finds out about this one thing that I did. And of course, it has this cast in 1997. Jennifer Love Hewitt at the absolute apex of her

every guy I knew was Gaga over her. Sarah Michelle Geller I don't know if it was during the Buffy the Vampire Slayer run might have been right before she started as Buffy

Freddie Prince Jr. who would go on to marry Sarah Michelle Geller and was a bit of a heartthrob of his own at the time and Ryan Filthy. So you've got these four very well-known actors

in addition to like Johnny Galecki who would go on to be on Big Bang Theory and there's a lot of recognizable faces in that movie. Again, like I said, a movie that I think is fun but never really meant a whole lot to me.

It did get a sequel in 99, 2000, maybe. Yeah. That is not very good. No, I don't even remember what happens in it, though I did see it in theaters. There's a continuation of the hook-handed killer. Yeah. The hook-handed killer is good, in my opinion.

It's good. It's a bit of a rehash of some 80 stuff. Well, sure, but it is also like the one ghost story that you got told at camp, the person with the hook. You know, so again, it is, I understand. It is really, really mainstream, like, kind of lame starter horror stuff for people who had it on vinyl or whatever. But, like, it's a good conceit. You nailed it.

That is the perfect way to describe it. And it's one of the reasons why I think it crossed over is, like, all the horror heads were like, I got to go see this even if it's not that good. And a lot of young men and women, teenagers who watched Dawson's Creek, were like, I got to go see this. Party of five, et cetera. Yeah, it was a certain era. Now, we actually exist in a somewhat similar era culturally. When you look at this cast in particular and some of the movies and TV shows that they've starred in, for example, Madeline Klein, the movie is really being sold on Madeline Klein. One of the stars of Outer Banks, one of the stars of Glass Onion, you know, kind of your typical young, blonde ingenue.

And even though she isn't the main character of this movie, it's interesting how much they have focused on her in the marketing of the movie because Chase Sui Wonders is really the key final girl. And the story, again, takes place in Southport. It is again about a group of friends Who one night after a party are driving on the road They find their way to Reaper's curve They get into some trouble And then boom, all of a sudden someone died Now they feel a modicum of guilt

For that death Whether or not they are responsible for that death Is something I would like to explore with you As to whether or not this movie even works at all But before I say anything else What did you think of I know what you did last summer, 2025? I thought this was disrespectful to its audience I was angry.

I thought this was disrespectful to the 90s and to those of us who remember the 90s and also to the young people of today who deserve better in their storytelling, in their kills, honestly. And I'm not an expert. And I was like, like, what is this? Who shot this?

Why is this? Why are we cutting away at all of the, I mean, just the blocking was very unimpressive. Obviously, the ending is just silly. But we, I mean, we have to stop saying the T word. We just have to stop saying it. Like, I understand. Trauma.

Yeah. There is real trauma throughout the world. And also in every single horror movie ever. And again, I'm not an expert. And I know that it's all a metaphor for people exploring some tough stuff that happened to them. But when we need, when we have to spoon feed it on a chalkboard with Jennifer Love Hewitt, reanimated, like, I can't. I'm out. It's so, it's condescending.

Yeah, I think that one of the challenges of this movie, which I think is dreadful, like really one of the worst movies of the year, it pains me to say that. I would love for a teen slasher to be a lot of fun. I love slasher so much. This movie can't decide if it wants to be like a camp satire of the original film and all slashers

or a serious meditation on what trauma is. One of my biggest problems with trauma horror in the last five or six years is not showing us what happened to the people at least in this case we are seeing the trauma transpire

well one generations and we you and I have seen the other and they and this movie flashes back literally to the older film which looks better than this movie makes these beloved actors give you dense poorly written exposition

that they're not feeling as they're delivering it how about that yeah I mean here's a huge problem. The characters in this movie are so thinly drawn. It's not that the you know, the prom queen and

the, you know, brown-haired, mousy normal girl who's also Jennifer Love, Hewitt, in the original film, we're the deepest characters. It's not you know, one floor of the cuckoo's nest in the original film, but in this movie it's like, it's literally the blonde hot one. Right. The hot one who's not blonde and is actually the final girl. Right. It's the

bland guy who you don't remember his first name. It's the jock who drinks too much. And it's the skinny outsider girl. We don't know anything about these people that isn't exposition to us for one minute.

They have no defining personality traits. They're just kind of floating through this story. I completely agree on the, and the characterization is only

did you have a trauma or not. That's the only development. I did think some of the performances were enjoyable anyway. I thought Madeline

Klein was very good. I thought Tyreek Withers was very good. and Sarah Pigeon, I like, I enjoy it as well. Yeah, they're fine. They're fine. Listen.

They're not bad. It's not their fault. They're not bad. I think it's a huge misuse of Chase Sui Wonders who, like, if you watch the studio, she's like, is an actress with a real sense of humor, and this is a movie that doesn't really let her get to be funny until the final minute of the movie, which is one of the biggest misstrokes in the whole film. Yeah.

She does, her styling is pretty good. I was, sure. Okay. Well, and I just, she was wearing. a lot of little socks with her sandals and I felt, I thought she looked great and I also felt like as old as the sun when I was watching. I was like, this is, this is for people way younger than me. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. For like, for many years, little socks, little ankle socks. Little ankle socks. Little ankle socks. Or with the lovers. Okay. This is like three or four years

now running. Come on. I need you to. Not something I'm aware of. Not going to look into it either. I just used to quit. Let's go. Let's let's let's, let's explore what happens in this movie, right? So the in the original film, the four friends are out drinking down on the beach one night after Sarah Michelle Geller's character is named like Queen of the Town, right? She's the young teen princess of the town. And they're getting ripped shit

and they're driving home. The driver is sober, but Ryan Philippi is like standing up through the sunroof of the car and going crazy and they hit a drifter with their car. And they think they killed somebody and they leave the scene of the crime, right? And they

bear this incredible guilt. And then they start getting stalked one year later by either the person they killed or someone that was related to it or whatever. In this film, the Tyree Gwether's character is high and he's playing in the road

and a car goes by and he almost gets hit by the car and his friend Milo saves him. And then another car comes immediately after that and they're still kind of standing in the road but they're pulled off to the side of the road and the car swerves and drives off a cliff. Okay. So this is not

like ideal. This is not something you want to happen. It's not ethical what they do in the aftermath of this. No, which is go back to the rich dad's home and he quote unquote handles everything. Yeah, but they call the police. The police come

to survey the scene of the crime. They do call the police and then they leave the scene and they don't go to the police and tell them what happened or what their role was in it. Now, again, this wasn't a nice thing to do. Yeah. But this is a critical error to me in the movie, and I'll tell you why.

Okay, go ahead. This movie, like, wants us to love its characters. It wants us to be on their side, and it doesn't, it wants us to make sure that they don't die. This is a slasher movie. The teenagers have to die. That's the whole point of the movie. The movie is not that they're, like, actually good kids. These are, like, rich kids from Southport.

Yeah. And... But they have trauma. So, you know? So it's like, they've got it. I agree with you. I agree with you. It's so stupid. It's such a poor idea.

Like, there has to be something in it. Like, even the type of... Eric Gwether's character, who is like the worst one of the group, is just like... He's actually very charming. He's pretty entertaining in the movie and it's just like a rich alcoholic. Yeah. You know, and that's fine. The idea that we are not, like, excited to watch these people get killed.

Right. Because we have to like all of them because everyone has to be relatable and you can only have, like, quote, unquote, good characters in your movies and Pedro Pascal can't work in private equity. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's stupid. It is a problem. It is really a problem in a certain kind of studio movie. And these children need to demand more. You know?

And really, the people who are making entertainment for them need to stop condescending. Because that's why I think it is genuinely insulting to think that this is what people want. One of the best things about the first movie is that Sarah Michelle Geller dies. Not that it's like great to watch Sarah Michelle Geller die, but it's a choice that they make to kill off one of the most notable characters in the movie in a dramatic way. Yeah. This movie has no statement. They fake it a couple times, but they're not even good fakes. I agree.

It's a pretty big mistake. So the kids are too likable, and most of them don't die. And the ways in which they do is, as you said, not very dramatic or very scary. It just feels like a few filmmakers who have not made a horror movie before, maybe lack some of the understandings of the mechanics of how to shoot sequences. And so it doesn't work that well. And they're using this IP to kind of springboard into an opportunity. Let's talk about the return of the original cast. Okay.

So, spoiler alert, three of the four members of the original cast return. You might be wondering how that's possible, given the events of the first film. We'll explain it. In this movie, Jennifer Love Hewitt's character is a psychology professor. Yeah, she specializes in, she's a trauma specialist. Yeah, Julia James, I'll come back to her. Still living in the town of Southport, and he will not forget the past, is Freddie Prince Junior's character Ray, who is now a bar owner.

And then in a, again, spoiler alert, bewildering dream sequence, Sarah Michelle Geller's character returns to deliver a kind of speech to Madeline Klein's character about what she's done and what's coming for her and the consequences of her actions. Who do you want to start with first? well i i do i agree that in terms of story and uh logic and and again insulting the audience the dream sequence was very stupid but i thought sarah michel geller was the best of the three by far and it's great to see her she's a star uh and she and madeline klein have a nice but she's also doing like full cruel intention sarah michel geller and i'm just

I'm always happy to see that even if it's in a totally contrived dream sequence. She has kind of slipped away. She doesn't really act as much as she used to. I guess that's technically true for all three of these, I guess, former stars. But she immediately channels that character from the original movie.

The sequence makes no sense and it's pretty bad. Why would Madeline Klein know exactly what this character, how she speaks or how she acts in her dream sequence? She's never met her and she died 30 years ago. Well, I literally don't understand like is that dreams that's that's just fan service like that's all that sequence is that being said sarah michelle gellar looks amazing yeah she does um she has aged remarkably okay freddie prince

junior yeah um this is tough this is tough beat not really ever one of the great actors well yeah and i'm not sure that ray is one of the great characters he plays a critical role in this film yeah so he is the sort of caretaker of a young woman named stevie who's parents have disappeared and left her in Southport, and she is grieving over certain losses. She's lost all her money. She was a former friend of this popular clique. And because she has fallen on hard times,

they sort of abandoned her and went off to college and started their lives. And she comes back into their lives with this incident. And Ray, I guess, is like her business partner or something. Turns out they've got more cooking than just working together because they're scheming on murder. Sure. Yeah, they're working together.

Some of the weirdest murder plots you've ever seen in your life. Yeah. Don't really make a lot of sense. And then he does have to carry the emotional weight of the turn and convey not just that he is the secret co-killer, but also he is the secret co-killer because of what 30 years of PTSD has done to him. Yes. And he and what it means to him and his community. And this script does not help But I would not say

That that emotional weight is conveyed to us Okay, so let me pitch something at you Because I thought this was interesting My friend Chris Rosen Proffered a theory on Letterbox That he was like, this would have been a lot better If the killers in this movie were actually just Ray and Julia And that they went full bore

Like don't forget about us Forget it like this is what generations do and it's not just the trauma of the past. It's that like there's a kind of narcissism in every generation and we're getting our revenge on you because of how we have been wounded by what happened to us. I'm open to it. And there's like a glint of that in the speech that he gives at the end of the movie where he's kind of trying to gesture towards that but also saying Stevie was devastated

because Sam, her boyfriend was the guy who accidentally drove off the cliff. And it's like he didn't drive off the cliff. They didn't, like, push the car off the cliff, you know? Like, he did have a car accident. Right. And she needs to kill all these people that she went to high school? I will say that I am not an expert on, like, I'm not in the emergency services. But I don't know if their protocol as the car was balancing on the cliff was, like, helping the situation.

What would you do? What would you have done? You know, like I. But would you have sat on the back of the truck bed? I was not good at physics. there was some, like, simple machine stuff that we could have done there. Yeah, you just get... You don't want to get on the vehicle and then fall with the vehicle.

No, it's true, but they were just kind of like standing there. Yeah. It took them too long to punch into the window. Well, no, the other guy that was inside punched out of the window. Oh, and that's why he fell. Oh, I see. Yeah. Okay.

I don't know. It's just in, in that case, they didn't do the best that they could do. Yeah. Incompetence all around. Yeah. Sam, the driver, the five kids who failed to save Sam. And then Stevie losing her mind thinking that it was their fault that Sam died. So. Does she not recognize Sam's car also in that moment?

Well, we learned that it's the pastor's car and that Sam has been borrowing it. But she's like in the photos at the church. It's a great point. It's a plot hole. There are a variety of plot holes. I know. It's true. I'm just, you know, we're here.

We spend our time watching this film. So now we ask the questions. Yeah. I can deal with plot holes in horror movies. That's not the biggest issues to me. I mean, to go back to the Chris Rosen theory of if it were Ray and Julie, I think that that works and is a lot better. It still does rely on a good script or a better script and also people,

actors able to convey that level of emotional things and to show not tell, which is, you know, my major problem. problem with all of the trauma plot line in this, which is just literally everyone's diagramming, I have a trauma. Yeah. Which is so, and I do, I thought Jennifer, it was very nice to see Jennifer Love Hewitt. Yeah. You know.

It's tough. So let's try to, for those at home who don't really know about this or remember, there was a period of time. Obviously, she was born out of party of five. She played a Scott Wolf's girlfriend on the series. And she hit in a series of movies. Can't Hardly Wait, Heartbreakers, this film, a handful of others. And she's an obvious object of affection for a lot of teenage boys.

But I thought, not a great actress by any means, but kind of good, like, weird comic energy. Like, she could sit in a movie like Can't Hardly Wait, very comfortable. Yeah, Amanda. Amanda, I'm very sorry for you. You know, over time, she became more of a TV star. Eventually, she was the Ghost Whisperer, which I know you watched every episode of. and she was the ghost whisperer She whispered to ghosts

In what continent is That was a show what happens I mean she whispers to ghosts But like where Where are the ghosts Are they around the world Is she a globe chatting? I think she was in New Orleans

I want to say And you know There'd be ghosts down in New Orleans As we all know And she would help connect people With crimes that were committed And things like that Is this like a CSI think?

But supernatural Okay but like was it on CBS Yes it was I believe it was CBS Okay For how many seasons? Yeah, and she was also the star of the client list, which was a series where she was like a madam. Oh, dear.

I think that was on USA. Oh, right, right, right. And that was inspired by a news story or? I think there might have been flex of Heidi Fleiss in there, but I don't know that it was really her life story. Wow, I didn't know about Ghost Whisper. Oh, yeah. It was kind of a, I don't know if it was a big show. It's sort of like medium, but.

Yes, but minus Patricia Arquette's talent, I would say. Well, yeah. Once again, we're circling around a thing. Yeah. New Orleans is also just the wrong setting for Jennifer Love Hewitt. Ghost Whisper, Melinda Gordon is a young woman who can communicate with the earthbound spirits of people who have died and who seek her help. She uses it to relay significant messages and important information to the living, but sometimes the messages she receives are intense and confusing, et cetera, et cetera. Let me just make sure I find out where this. No, this show takes place in Grandview, New York. I apologize to the fine people of New Orleans.

Okay. I mean, I guess it's better than New Orleans, but I don't know. It's never been to Grandview. Can't say I know it very well. It's in Rockland County. Anyway, I bring all this up because JLH, you know, she used to, she used to mean something to a certain kind of person in this world. Her acting has not gotten better.

No. And she's not very good in this movie at all. And it's a problem. It's a problem. She's not helped play the script. But when she comes on screen, people in my room, my audience were laughing.

And it was a little mean. It was kind of a mean room, to be honest with you. Not the best crowd I've seen a movie with in the last few years. A lot of talking. Okay. My chair was kicked quite a few times. That is frustrating. Not ideal.

I really lost it on my toddler the other yesterday because he was kicking my chair. Yeah. It's really, it's enervating. It is. And so you've got these three actors who were aging and who seem like nice people. I got nothing against them. They gave me a lot of joy in the 90s. But they also can't carry the load of this week's script.

Who is that other guy? Who dies? Which other guy? I don't know. The boring guy. Chase Suey Wonders is like. sort of ex. That was Jonah Hauer King. What's up with him? He was

Prince Eric in the live action little mermaid film. Which I've seen. Sure. I've seen it too. I saw it in theaters. Haviarberd M. King Triton. I did as well. I didn't like that movie very much. I didn't either. He's just a bland guy with ads. Like is he on Stranger Things or something? At this point, I can't keep track now. He's not. Okay. I think he's on a show like that. I think he's just trying to make it in the biz. Joseph Quinn was on Stranger Things. I learned that from

Instagram this morning. That is true. Good for you. Nice, nice fine by you. Interesting. thing, the most popular show, the last five years. So, yeah, this movie's bad. Here's the thing. The ending is a nightmare for a variety of reasons. It's not just the reveal of Ray's involvement in the murder and the boat kill. The boat kill reminded me a little bit of wild things. Do you remember the movie Wild Things?

Of course I remember the movie Wild Things. Featring Nev Campbell, a star of Party of Five. We were there. We had something important. But then something happens at the very end of the movie. So we learn that Madeline Klein's character actually survives a gunshot. on the boat. Yeah.

She, I guess, is washed ashore? I guess so, yeah. Because then she has like a dramatic coming back to life,

much like, spoiler alert, Vanessa Kirby in Fantastic Four. That's true. Also, Chase Suey Wonder survives. Yeah.

And they're down at the old Southport hospital. They're getting out of there. Which has incredible merch. They're not getting out. I think they're just like on. Oh,

they're just on a wander? Yeah. And they're wearing instead of hospital gowns, they're wearing like Southport like hospital sweatshirts and which honestly looked I was like this is pretty good hospital show I got to get you one of those

yeah um and then they go for sit down by the beach and they have a little chit-chat and then the movie just like record scratches into a completely different movie with funny dialogue and I think at the end wonders says we could have avoided all this if men would just go to therapy

right yeah which I know is like a really funny joke from the internet but the killer in the movie is a young woman who is traumatized by... Right, well, but then also another man. And then if the original man, if the original killer in the first one had gone... I mean, I think it sucks. And also, and by the way, yeah.

In the first film had gone to therapy, we could have avoided this franchise. Yeah, so he didn't have to be mad. But I don't want to avoid the franchise. I want to avoid this movie. I, it was terrible and not funny. There are a few jokes like this. sprinkled throughout the movie of them trying to be like internety and like quote unquote hip you know

there's one thing where madeline klein is like have you seen the meme about how someone you love died would you still do your skin care routine the answer is yes um so yeah it's really annoying what you think of the podcast host live laugh slaughter yeah live laugh slaughter it was it was funny you know did you feel indicted no because i don't really partake of the true crime no do i uh industry. And I do think they're kind of weird. So I didn't mind sending that one up. And, you know, representation matters as we learned. So it's nice for us that everyone's out there. And she was hot. So as they say. They pointed that out a couple of times. She was hot. Very strange movie. Did not succeed at the box office at all. And I guess I'm a little bit surprised by that.

We are getting a little bit long in the tooth on the 90s legacy sequel. Obviously, Scream has now had two iterations. We're getting a third iteration of the new cast But they're re-focusing on Sydney Neff Campbell is back She did get paid You know, I pretty much like The last two screen movies The first one, the return

Sure I thought was pretty darn good The last one was quite silly But I had fun Is that one with Who is the guy in it? It's the same crew It's the previous film

And one of the guys is stabbed like nine times, but he survives. Yeah. And very memorable fake-out death. But this does have me thinking about the 90s. And what it was, what it gave us, it's obviously a signal decade on the podcast. 90s in horror is very strange.

You, for probably the first five years of the 90s, fair to say, were like not aware of anything that was happening in the horror space, I have to imagine. But then in the mid to late, you're a teenager, right? You're going to the movies. And it really really. does break out of the genre box. It does. It does. It kind of goes, it goes more

mainstream than it had been. The late 80s are really defined by the big monsters that emerged from all the slasher movies. Freddy Kruger, Jason Voorhees, Chuckie, Pinhead, and the movies really bled those characters

dry. Just Googling Pinhead. Oh, that guy. From Hellraiser, yes. Sure, yeah. Familiar. I think there have been five Hellraiser movies. I think there have been like nine Chucky movies. There have been 12, Friday the 13th movies. You know, the list is long. And they were really every 18 to 24 months, you'd get a new one of these movies. I do want to represent them somewhat. The 90s is this weird place where there's some new stuff. You get some mainstream stuff, like Scream, which is probably the most important movie of the era. But you also get some more high-toned stuff. And this is really where I think genre becomes a safe space for art, for lack of a better role. It doesn't mean that John Carpenter is not art, but those are mostly movies that were pitched at mainstream audiences.

But now in this decade, you get a lot more films that are a little bit more experimental or a lot more foreign films that make their way overseas than we had previously been getting in America. I'm not totally sure the 90s is actually that much worse than, say, the 2000s. I've been thinking about this a little bit the last couple days. The 2000s for horror, the biggest trend. was just remaking 70s and 80s horror movies. So off the top of my head last night,

I just wrote down, Carrie the Fog, Nightmare and Elm Street, Friday the 13th, last house on the left, hills have eyes, Texas chainsaw massacre, Halloween, Amityville Horror, my bloody Valentine, Dawn of the Dead, Fright Night, House of Wax. All those movies got remade. Those are all horror movies.

That was the 2000s, which we think of as maybe a better time, but it might have just been a more popular time for horror movies. So the 90s are not bad per se, but I'm trying to figure out what happened. Okay. Why did the genre come back

in the mid-90s after having kind of a fallow period in the early part of the decade? I don't want to get too Galaxy Brain about Bill Clinton's America. Okay. But I think there's something in there. Yeah, of course.

You know, something in there about illicit desire and scandal and cover up and, you know, the brainworms that a lot of people on the right had about whatever was going on with who killed Vince Foster and all that shit

that I think bred a little bit of a A genre shift in our thinking. I think you can attribute some of the, like, serial killer wave to a lot of that thinking, too. That's a question I have for you as we get into this exercise. You know, Seven and Silence of the Lambs and Kiyosha was Cure, who we just talked about on the show, are three of the best serial killer movies ever made. Are those movies horror movies? You were talking about this recently.

In Chicago, we talked about it. Oh, Silence of the Lambs? Yeah. Did we talk about it in person or on a podcast? We talked about it in person. It was me and you and Chris and Tracy in a car. Okay. On the way to the Steppenwolf Theater.

Okay. I was like, I've been a part of this recently. Yeah. And you guys were defining it mostly through kill time. Well, that was a Chris said. Chris was like how many kills happened in this movie. And in Seven, famously, I think only one character is murdered, I think, right? Is it only John Doe murdered?

Or I guess maybe the dying drug addict is shot. Right. And you do see more in Silence of the Lambs, but it is still focused on the investigation as opposed to the art of the kill. And the kill is set piece. Yes. I guess. So here as well as a series of investigations. You know, there is some perverse stuff that happens in it. And so I mean, I'm kind of inclined to leave them off of this list. I think that's right. And just say that these are very special movies. They're great. If you want to say Silence of the Lambs is terrifying. That's understandable. but it makes it a little bit easier, I think, to navigate what matters from this time. Stephen King. Speak on it. Obviously, one of my faves. I've watched every adaptation of everything that has ever been made of his work. I stopped reading his novels a long time ago, but I still will watch any movie of a novel that he has written.

We have a couple more coming later this year. The Long Walk is out in September, for example. The 90s is an interesting. A bunch of movies. You could make the case that the very best movies... that were adapted from his work are not horror movies, right? Because that's Shawshank, yeah, Dolores Claiborne, and The Green Mile.

Yeah, Romney Mars agrees. Romney Mars, what does she like? She likes Shawshank. Remember, she joined Letterbox just to like Shawshank. Oh, what's in her top for it now? I honestly didn't check. Okay, you look it up and all talk. Here are the King movies that came out then.

Misery, the lawnmour man, needful things, the dark half, thinner. Not bad. Misery, the best of the bunch, for sure. Misery would probably be right on the outside looking in for me. Okay. Movie I like, Great William Goldman's script, amazing performance by Kathy Bates. The reason I'm not putting any king stuff on is because I think the best stuff is TV. All right.

It and The Stand, two of my favorite things from the 90s TV miniseries. They wouldn't make the canon on a movie podcast. On a TV podcast, perhaps. That would be a good episode for the watch, a miniseries episode. There have been a lot of great miniseries over the years. We kind of had miniseries have been bastardized by streaming. And then they're not really miniseries. anymore, then they just become, you know...

Eight episode shows, and then they get a second season all of a sudden. Okay, so no king, no serial killers. David Lynch? It seems like something different. It does. Said with respect. Yeah. Twin Peaks Firewalk with me and Lost Highway make a lot of sense in the conversation. Yeah.

But they are also... These movies are maybe more psychological thriller than pure horror. Right. And they encapsulate my... The feeling of horror. In a lot of ways and the horror of the every day, but they are not Chris Ryan's like watching people get slashed definition. Always. Okay.

This is a big one. Yeah. The sixth sense. Well, I mean, I think that this is pure thriller and not. There are ghosts. Oh, that's right. There are ghosts. But like, but the ghosts aren't.

Are they committing violence? No. Right. So I think violence is the... Oh, interesting. You think that's an organizing principle of horror. That's what we're working towards right now. Jack Sanders, can I get you to weigh in on the Sixth Sense?

Is it a pure horror movie? Blind Spot. Whoa! You've never seen Sixth Sense? Never seen it. Do you know what happens? I see ghosts, right? Little Kid says I see ghosts.

No, no. Oh, dude, tonight. Tonight. Don't Google anything. Don't say anything. You do actually need to watch the success. Okay, understood. That's a really cool blind spot to not know.

Also, I can't believe it hasn't spoiled for you. Okay, we have to stop talking about it. I don't think it qualifies. It's right on the line. Yeah, but it's, and it's also 1999 and it like changed a lot of things. It can also, like, you could say that it's the exception that makes the rule, but like, I, you know, let's be purists. Okay. I know what you did last summer is not going on the last summer.

list. I just want you to know that. I do know that, and I think that's really insulting. Okay. I want to acknowledge it. I also want to acknowledge the wave of teen dimension films movies that came in the aftermath, which was totally a thing for us when we were in high school. Absolutely. Disturbing Behavior, H-2O, the Halloween legacy sequel, urban legend, idle hands, Cherry Falls, teaching Mrs. Tingle, these movies...

Teaching Mrs. Tingle was also Katie Holmes, which was of the Dawson's Creek. Yes. There was a lot of connectivity. Teaching Mrs. Tingle was Kevin Williams' Dorsey's Dorsey. directorial debut, all of these movies. Some of them are thrillers. Some of them are pure horror. Some of them are horror comedy.

Teaching Mrs. It's basically a comedy. But it was like a, it was a subgenre that was very fun. Invariably, most of these movies kind of suck. But we had a nice time. But we had fun. Yes, we were having a lot of fun. And whenever I'm like watching a really shitty Netflix streaming movie, I have to go back

to the place where I saw disturbing behavior and be like, it's okay. They can have their shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, I had my dumb shit that I like to. I'm not going back to disturbing behavior anytime soon, but it was nice that we had that. Okay, a couple of other... Well, let's just talk about what's going to make it.

Okay. Because there's a handful of very obvious ones that you take it. So, Scream. Yeah, so Scream is standing in for all... Yeah, no, scream is the defining. I still remember I was in my Aunt Betty's basement, where I watched The Braves finally win the World Series. Talk about a horror movie.

And scream, the original screen. I was terrified out of my mind. A hell of a double feature for the freaks out there. And also two defining events of the 90s. So. Braves down so bad right now. It's the best. I've renounced them.

So I don't care. It's the fucking best. And I've moved on. I got no beef with the people of Atlanta. Fuck the Braves. For real. I mean, you know, many of the people Atlanta also now have no connection to the Braves because they moved to Cobb County. So that's fine.

But Scream was totemic. It's number one on this list, I would say. I think a movie that actually still holds up. Obviously, it's kind of self-awareness. It's kind of literally metastasizing 20 years of slasher's and regurgitating and clarifying what the rules are and how these movies work, I think taught a lot of people, myself included, how to watch movies. And that seems dumb, but I saw it when I was 14 and it rocked my world. I loved it. I still think it's a lot of fun. I wanted to pay homage to those monster movies, and this movie, which I assume you have not seen this one, but West Craven's New Nightmare.

Which is, was, I think, meant to be the final Freddie Krueger movie and is about the real people who made the Freddie Krueger movies and then Freddie entering that world. And it is also a similarly kind of meta-textual examination of the work that we make and what really scares us. And these are two West Craven movies together stacked on top of each other. And Wes is like getting to be a little bit forgotten right now. You know, he passed away a few years ago. He and John Carpenter are probably the two single movies. important filmmakers of that era of the 80s and 90s for this genre. So I wanted to give some love to that movie.

Blair Witch. Yeah. Did you see it in the movie theater? I didn't. We rented it and saw it at home and I was still terrified out of my mind. Jack, Blair Witch Project, you've seen it? Yes, very scary. I revisited it last night.

Final 20 minutes have not lost its power. You've heard it before. I'm sure people heard it on the rewatchables when Chris and Bill talked about it. I was 17. I don't know that I thought it was real but it felt real enough to me. People freaking out of the movie theater. People crying at the end of the movie.

Like is what just happened? And there are a lot of people who weren't reading Entertainment Weekly who just showed up at the movie theater to see the sensation that night on opening night. And, you know, obviously probably the most important found footage movie ever made. One of the best things about that movie

is that it actually really sticks to the rules of found footage. And whenever you start to question why it never really explores it so that there is a kind of like mystical unknown around why people keep filming during the worst thing that's ever happened to them, that I think still

really works very well. It's also 81 minutes and incredibly effective similarly to scream a movie that changed horror movies. So it has to be here. Now, I've got Bram Stoker's Dracula on here. Okay. What do you think about this? I mean, you know, at some point it's

your list. And I guess it does under like the rules of the genre and violence, it follows. I think monsters in general, I know there's a long and storied history of it, but like, eh. Out on monsters. I just, I'm not that scared. Interesting. You know?

Okay. You're more afraid of a human with a knife. Yeah. Than a monster. Yes, I am. Yeah. I've got Brandt Surgers Rackett on here because it's arguably the best made movie, best made horror movie of that decade. Francis Ford Coppola.

with the most gorgeous production design, score, costumes, you know, good, really good performances, give or take a Keanu Reeves, like some great, I know that's rude, but he's not, he's not good at it. Oldman cooking up something amazing, the makeup design for that character is sick, and I think it's good to kind of recognize the importance of monsters to these movies. I do understand historically, but it's just kind of like, you know, it's not their fault. They don't know what they're doing. The monsters don't know?

Oh, you think they're tortured? Like, it's their trauma? No, I mean, it's just, it's not that compelling to me. Okay. What about the wolf man as an expression of dull masculinity? You know, the beast coming out. I honestly, I just, I get a little bored. I'm like working out on your own time.

What about, you'll be seeing Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein on the Lido soon. And that's a story about. Jacob Allorty, so I'm fine. with it. Well, you know, man controlling nature? Yeah. Right? And making up for lost time. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. And Mia Gough? I'm excited to see it. Okay. But in general, it just always seems like it's like a man who got a little bored and then created something that got out of his control. I'm like, well, that's a you problem. You're saying Dr. Victor Frankenstein was an in-cell? Could have been.

Yeah. Could have been. All right. If Jepetto was a fascist. So I wanted to choose between Hideo Nakata's Ring and Takashi Mika's audition. Now, I know you've not seen either of these movies. Yeah. Ring, of course, is the basis for The Ring, the Gore of Vibinsky smash from whatever, 2002.

Ring is very upsetting. It's a movie about a videotape that if you watch it, seven days later you die. It's good conceit. Incredible conceit. Executed amazingly. This is a brilliant movie. It's not quite as unnerving as audition,

which is a movie about an older guy who's seeking love and is looking for a woman who can make him see the world an new. Yeah. And he meets a woman. And the woman is not what he thought she was going to be. And things go horribly. About as horribly as you can imagine. Now, I think you should watch this movie in part because it's clearly a big influence

on our friend Mark Anthony Green's opus and there is a sequence in it that is pulled very closely from audition. Okay. I'm going to give it to Ring because it came first with these two movies in terms of the new Japanese horror which almost all of these movies

with the exception of audition got remade in America and I think Ring is kind of the big bang of this stuff so I'm going to put it there. Okay. We're getting into like movies a man hasn't seen territory so just rock with me, okay? I've seen a couple more of these.

Okay. In the mouth of madness is probably John Carpenter's last masterpiece. Okay. Starrs Sam Neal as a man going utterly insane and following the writings of a man named Sutter Kane

who's a Stephen King-esque horror author who drives people mad with his visions of evil and the way that they want to follow his visions of evil. If only he'd gone to therapy. There are shades of bad. that. I don't think that line is uttered in the movie. Well, it's just announced this film will be released on 4K shortly. Okay. Congratulations.

In my text, Jane, we rejoiced. Great. You go, girl. Thank goodness. I felt good about it. Great film. Do they have bring it on on 4K? They do, actually, because Mallory's Adam just bought it and wanted me to know about it. Mallory's husband, Adam. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, they do. Okay. Just wanted to make sure. Birthday is just a few days away, Amanda. Okay, next is Candyman. Yeah. I don't think I've seen this, but I've seen. many clips of it

like I'm conversant this is the rare pre-scream horror movie that cracked through the subconscious at this time and stuck Bernard Rose English director made this movie Tony the late great Tony Todd we just talked about this movie that was a part of a

trivia question in our Chicago movie draft set in the Cabrini Green Projects starring Virginia Madsen and if you didn't say Candyman three times or five times in the dark room while looking into a mirror. You weren't a teenager in the 90s. That was something that you were dared to do and still works. I don't love the legacy sequel remake that came out a few years ago from this movie,

but the original still hits super hard. Event Horizon is for CR. That's beautiful. This is Paul W.S. Anderson's not Paul Thomas Anderson. Paul W.S. Anderson's masterpiece. It's a movie about, well, lo and behold, Sam Neal losing his fucking mind on a spaceship. Yeah. It's space horror. It's the lone sci-fi horror in this movie. Some very upsetting images in this movie. I do not think you can watch this one. But it's wonderful, incredibly scary, and holds its power. Exorcist 3.

All right. Was chatting with Tracy and Chris about this list when we were in Chicago, and they both cited this as a pro. I thought this would be a good callback to the horror classics of the 70s and 80s. Now, Exorcist 2, starring, directed by John Borman, not good. Kind of incoherent. Right. Exorcist 3 features perhaps the great Jum Scare of the 1990s.

Wow. So maybe we can watch it on YouTube together as soon as we're done recording this. This is an X. DVD Extra, podcast Extra. Could be. Yeah. Could be. Okay.

Last but not least, funny games. Yeah, the German. Now, is this a horror movie? This is a home invasion thriller. I mean, things get gnarly. Yes. In the same conversation with Tracy, he said this is the most scared I've ever been of a movie. About two preppy tennis-clad young men who enter a family's home and absolutely terrorize and brutalize them for an entire evening for reasons that are unclear.

I think, yes, it has to be. Because we're also counting, like, speak no evil as a horror movie. and that's very much in the tradition of. Definitely. And it hits the violence law that you created. Exactly. Just because they're preppy. There's some, well, I think that's kind of the point, you know, who was really brutalizing

our lives in modern society. Did we, was American Psycho part of this? I mean, it's 2000, so it's not eligible. But were we talking about that in this conversation? I don't think it came up. It would be an interesting, there's not really any satires on my list right now. I think Scream is probably as close as you can get. Right.

New Nightmare has some. some of that feeling too but yeah that's i mean it's definitely a contender right i don't know if i was really scared of american psycho i think i felt very on the wavelength of its humor when i saw it right there is something obviously very unnerving about it right and also like disgusted by but the movie is also disgusted by what it's it is portraying so you know obviously brady senless is novel but a film directed by a woman mary heron and she has a pretty keen insight, I think, into what she's portraying. I'm going to give you my

runners up. Okay. Arachnophobia. Okay. I didn't do... My God. There are 30 movies on that. Are you just going to read a list of 30 movies?

Okay. Army of Darkness. Okay. This is for the heads who were just like, but what about, but what about. Of course. Brain dead. Peter Jackson's extremely gory

horror comedy. Mm-hmm. Cemetery man. Yeah. Starring your boy Rupert Everett. I think this is the movie that got him my best friend's wedding job. The craft?

Yeah. This one I've seen, obviously. Yeah. I mean, you know. I think the girlies are like, why won't you put the craft on? I don't think Charlie XX is going to come on our podcast now.

Shit. It's good. I've rewatched it. It's kind of in the, I know what you did last summer vein. It is. But you're, I just, I think that you are looking at,

yeah, you're a snob. And you value different things. You know, I've heard that before. I've really, I've heard it before. That's okay. Speaking of Guillemald Datoro Kronos, his first movie. I think this is really,

really good. kind of a horror comedy. Yeah, but like more comedy. More comedy. Do you know it's now a musical on Broadway? I did. Tony winning, I believe. Oh, really?

I think so. Congratulations to them. It looks quite elaborate. I would watch that. You know, for my birthday, I got tickets to go see, what is it, what am I going to see? It's one of the August Wilson plays that's playing in Pasadena. It's Joe Turner's coming gone. Oh, wow.

Yeah, which I'm pretty excited about. That's cool. Yeah. That was my gift for my life. That's great job, Ely. Again, I keep bringing up Tracy because we were talking about this a lot Because he obviously is a man in the theater And I don't really go as much in Los Angeles as I used to New York.

In New York, I was going to see shows all the time. So this year I'm going to try to get back to that. A few fewer movies and more stage productions, I think would make me happy. The faculty, it isn't actually good. Okay. Obviously, it has some pieces of sinners. Yeah.

Cougar cited this movie a couple times in his press store for sinners. I re-watched it and was a little disappointed. Ghost Watch is a British movie that I only recently saw for the first time, but is incredibly influential. I encourage people to check that out. The two Tales from the Crypt movies, Demon Night and Bordell of Blood, they both rock.

Yeah. Tales from the Crypt, I watched it every weekend on HBO when I was a little kid. I loved it. Lager Fessenden's habit, just for the indie heads. A couple more. Lepricon. It's fucking terrible.

It stars Jennifer Aniston. Sure. It was a thing. Yeah. I mean, I remember it. There was a Night of the Living Dead remake that Tom Savini made in 1990. People Under the Stairs, also a West Craven movie. That's a movie about racism.

Still holds. Stir of echoes. David Kep, your favorite Jurassic Park screenwriter, hit one of his, I think it might be his, I think it's his second film after the trigger effect, a really effective horror movie with Kevin Bacon that I think you actually would enjoy. And then Tremors, which is a movie about Giant Monsters, Living, under the ground that start eating up a desert town. All right.

Also stars Kevin Bacon and Fred Ward. Okay. You feel good? Read your list. Okay. My top 10 is as follows. Scream. Wes Craven's New Nightmare.

The Blair Witch Project. Bram Stoker's Dracula. Ring in the mouth of madness. Candyman, Event Horizon, The Exorcist 3 and Funny Games, the German version, 1997. Much like its remake, you are being disrespectful to

to I know what you did last summer, but that's okay. Otherwise, I bless this list. Thank you. I appreciate your support in this effort. Thanks to our producer Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Later this week, we're breaking down

a pair of summer comedies. Maybe we'll make another canon while we're at it. The Naked Gun and the recently released Happy Gilmore 2. I've seen both. And we might have a special guest from the ring of joining us.

We'll see you then. You know,