The Big Picture - The 1990s Oscar Winners Draft. Plus: Ryusuke Hamaguchi!

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

With the Oscars right around the corner, Chris Ryan joins Sean and Amanda to draft their favorite Oscar winners from the 1990s (1:00). Then, Sean is joined by ‘Drive My Car’ writer-director Ryusuke Hamaguchi to discuss his Oscar-nominated film (1:13:00). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan and Ryusuke Hamaguchi Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm Matt Bellany, founding partner of Puck News, and I'm covering the inside conversation about money and power in Hollywood. With my new show, The Town, I'm going to take you inside Hollywood with exclusive insight on what people in show business are actually talking about. Multiple times a week, I'll talk to some of the smartest people I know, journalists, insiders, all of whom can break down the hottest topics in entertainment to tell you what's really going on. Listen now. and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about our favorite Oscar winners.

Later in this episode, I have a conversation with the great Japanese filmmaker, Ryosuke Hamaguchi. He is nominated for four Academy Awards at this Sunday's ceremony, including Best Picture. I hope you will stick around for that conversation. But first, it's nearly Oscars week, which means we have a different sort of movie draft for you today. An Oscar winners movie draft and CR is back. What's up, Chris? I'm the king of the world!

Chris, James Cameron, Ryan joins us as usual to talk about Academy Award winners. How are you guys feeling about Oscars week? You fired up? Are you guys fired up? I wanted to just offer you a safe space to talk. Are you going to watch the Oscars this year? Yes. Is that a real question?

What do you, okay, we're recording this a little bit in advance. A lot of it in advance. Just, just like, I want to capture this in,

in Amber. Are we, are we, are we heading towards an inevitable Belfast victory? Is Power of the Dog still in pole position? Like,

give me the Tomorrow's Headlines Today copyright Ryan Russillo. Let me just say, you're doing like you're half mocking the premise of the Oscar show, but I hear you

and Andy Greenwald on the watch talking movies and I hear you straining. I'm not mocking it at all. You want in on the awards game, Chris. You want in. Admit it.

I just want to get in this gold derby. I'm not mocking it at all. I love the award shows you guys do and I was just wondering like, you know, this is such a unique year. Every year you guys do is different.

But this one seems to be so strange. And I was just curious how you were feeling and whether these favorites are emerging or not. Dobbins, what do you think? So we are recording this pre-nominations. We should just say thank you all for adjusting to my schedule, such as it is. And it does feel like we're going to wake up nominations morning and be like, what? This feels the most unsettled.

So right now, Chris, I would say to you, I'm just I think it's going to be power of the dog. I think that that is just kind of where the like responsible adult cinema energy lies paired with, I guess, Netflix winning an Oscar after it no longer needs an Oscar because it's like abandoned all movies. But I don't feel confident in that at all. I think this year more than any other year, it's prognosticators really kind of making things up out of thin air. And we'll find out on February 8th. Okay. I'm putting all my money on Malignant Best Picture. I just feel like my money on Malignant best picture. I just feel like it's time to recognize the achievement that James Wan created

with Malignant. And I don't know. We'll see. Maybe I'm wrong. I think that this is the year that the figurative Jack Waltz figure, you know, from The Godfather,

like, you want to be a big star, you know, like, needs to put his finger on the button and be like, we got to get, we got to get Dune up in here. You know what I mean? We got to get the big ones.

We got to get some stuff in the mix so that this isn't all due respect to Jane Campion, like three months of inevitable power of the dog Oscar win. Where do you stand, Chris, since we're recording from the past and the future simultaneously on the Spider-Man No Way Home Oscar campaign? Fine. I mean, like,

are there 10 movies that if this ninth movie doesn't get nominated for Best Picture, we're going to consider it a crime against art? Not really. I mean, we talked about this,

that the movies that are in the 8, 9, and 10 position already are like... Yeah, it's the play-in game, man. Let's just have fun. I agree. Let's let our hair down. Hollywood?

I completely agree. And for that reason, Suicide Squad should also be nominated. Absolutely not. And what else should be nominated reason, Suicide Squad should also be nominated. Absolutely not. And what else should be nominated? Pretty much any horror movie should be nominated that came out last year. What do you think, Amanda?

Yeah, Paranormal Activity. Seems great. That one was good. Next of Kin. That one was good. Yeah, my favorite, obviously. Let's talk about winners. Because we're talking about things that might get nominated but are not going to win.

So last time we did this, we talked about the 2000s and Oscar nominees really from the 2000s. We're narrowing the pool to winners here. And this is challenging because we're going to add a wrinkle to our game. Now, this was something that many, many people suggested we do next time we do an Oscar winner's draft after last year's round. Did they suggest it politely or rudely we do a Oscar winners draft. Did they suggest it politely or rudely? Probably a mix of both,

but I think it was, I think it was recommended in good faith, which is that once a, someone wins from a movie of any kind, that movie is completely off the board. So if you chose someone in best supporting actress from a film, then you can no longer select someone who won in best actor or best picture from that same film.

Now that makes the game harder, but it also makes the game, I think, more interesting. We get more variance. How do you guys feel about this change? I think that this is going to be one of our most strategic drafts yet. And while I don't want to suggest

that this is possible, it could be kind of contentious because I feel like one thing that I don't know how to do is like when I'm at a blackjack table and I'll be like, oh, I hit. And some guy next to me is like, what the fuck? You know, like I never really know what I did wrong. I'm like, I thought I just have to get like 21.

But everybody's just like, no, like we're all playing together. But I'm also like, so I feel like this is one of those things where I'm going to draft something and then you guys are going to just like, no, we're all playing together. But I'm also like... So I feel like this is one of those things where I'm going to draft something and then you guys are going to be like, why did you do that to us? And now we're arguing over mid-90s Woody Allen movies

an hour into this podcast. So I apologize in advance. I have given this a lot of thought. I don't know. But I got to admit, I don't know which way is up and which way is down. I think it's both really strategic and also really hard to plan for. I have given it a lot of thought, but so much does depend on not just order, but whatever weird shit Chris decides to do in the first and second round.

And because each movie can only be taken once. Yes. because each movie can only be taken once yes you're just like i think each of us is at least in one category just gonna be in the dregs of like you know 1993 who was winning for best adapted screenplay or best director or whatever everyone's gonna get backed into a corner at one point and i think chris is right that that historically is when we start being just horrible to each other. I like the idea of Chris saying, I think this one might be contentious as if all movie drafts are not contentious and feature the absolute worst parts of ourselves. I understand what the rules of this game are.

I find them like, I just don't know which, like, I feel like I'm looking at two paths and I don't know which path to go down like hell and heaven like what do you mean by that violence no I just like I think that there are like do you go for scarcity or do you take a big winner off the board thus somewhat tripping up everybody else's

like I was hoping to get that here I was hoping to get that there and also making it slightly like a little bit, maybe a dollar pod when we're into like the weird, like, oh yeah, I forgot this one, but I guess this is like the flagship thing I picked.

So this is the other thing about doing just winners, which is that Oscar winners aren't often always like the best. And we talk a lot, especially since we're doing the nineties, which is a formative decade, I guess, you know, for all of us. But certainly, the 90s Oscars are how I got into movies a bit. Or at least how I got into being a nerd about movies.

And so I have all of these fond memories of movies I really love and grew up with, being nominated and all of these sorts of things. But they didn't win a lot of the time. And instead, you've just got some really random winners in here. And at some point, someone's going to be stuck with us. It's also, a lot of this decade is some real big bank shit.

So we got movies racking up eight, nine Oscars. So there's not that many movies up there. Also, I will say up top much more in touch with the oscars 1990 to 1995 because 95 on the kid starts going outside yeah what were you getting into tell us about that 96 to 2000 just who are you as a man chris recount that for us um i mean that's what you know i's what, you know, I was in college, you know, so I was obviously really mostly concerned

with the short story as a format. You know? Yeah. Amanda's most loathed format. It is. Write a novel, you cowards. And I was moving between Philadelphia and Boston. And so I was enmeshed in several

music scenes. I wouldn't say that English patient was at the forefront of my mind. Speaking of the music scenes for a second, let me just deal with some personal business. Oh yeah, can you talk about this? I'm sorry. Can you just stop sending my husband random hardcore

clips that he starts blasting on his phone like in the middle of the tv show that we're watching every night for like an hour we were trying to watch this show about the lesbian solving the crime on the submarine that you recommended and then he's just like click i sent him a band called regional justice center which is like power violence that you sent him which is just zach loves you very much every single thing that you send him, which is just, Zach loves you very much and I need you to focus. Yeah, let's go back to Regional Justice.

That's the name of a band? Amanda, for what it's worth, I try to only do this once every 24 hours. I know. Unfortunately, I do do it at probably the point where you two are settling in for an evening of quiet conversation and reflection about your lives. And then I'm like, did you know that Converge has had a rather lovely late period? And it's not like he knows how to use his phone to modulate the volume. I just always thought if he's engaging, he has his headphones in.

Now that I know... No, he doesn't know where his headphones are. It's just him on the couch. Guys, let me interject for a second. We have a convention on this show and on many shows on The Ringer Podcast Network called Save It For The Pod, where if you're having a conversation in real life with someone

and you want them to hold it, I want you to save this for life. I frankly, this is not neither the place nor the time for the conversation about Chris and Zach's hardcore adventures and Amanda's disturbance in the face of them. You did ask about the year 1996, so that's on you.

That's true. It's a very good point. So Chris, you were getting up to trouble in meshing yourself in music scenes. And Amanda, in the late 90s, you were what? Reading Entertainment Weekly? Watching the Oscars? Getting excited about Tom Hanks? Literally taping Oprah specials featuring Oscar winners. That's where I was. Yeah. And also petitioning to go to space camp because I saw Apollo 13 and not getting to go to space camp. I saw Apollo 13 and not getting to go to space camp. I'm reminded also of the Barbara Walters Oscars interview special. Oh yeah.

Remember that? That was a big deal. We don't really, that's the thing. That's one of the things that's missing from the Oscars. And I'm not saying Barbara Walters, I'm saying this support system that is not me and Amanda yelling at each other about Spider-Man and why it isn't nominated. But this,

the sense that the rest of the world cared about these freaking movies and the show itself that there's a thing gone i don't know if you guys have uh cut the cord but i i i'm a i'm a proud cable subscriber yeah cut the cord but you know like i have like the la version of new york one and every morning when i turn my tv on it's like there's maggie gyllenhaal just peddling the daughter again and i'm like man like they really got but you i need her to be on like prime time man it's the lost daughter but okay peddling the daughter that's what you said she's doing that was my hardcore band oh boy should i explain the rules of the draft before we begin please okay if this is your first movie draft here's what we do we choose movies in the appropriate categories for each episode

in a snake draft fashion bobby will help us choose the order in this case we usually have six categories but because there are eight major categories at the academy awards we'll be choosing in all eight of those categories those Those categories are best original screenplay, best adapted screenplay, best supporting actress, best supporting actor, best actress, best actor, best director, and best picture. So all of the films here need to have been released in the 1990s and awarded an Academy Award in the 1990s.

Seminal, seminal, seminal decade for me and Amanda. Chris was already well into his adulthood when this decade was happening. In all seriousness, this is when the Oscars were the Oscars. I agree. A thousand percent. I went back and looked at some YouTube clips of some of the wins and I was like, I remember

watching this. This is crazy how this stuff sticks with you. It is fairly remarkable. I guess we can reflect on some of the circumstances of these wins, some of the speeches where we remember them.

Some of them might be before our time based on how we choose, but let's just, let's get into it. You guys ready to start drafting? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, Bobby, why don't

you help us with the draft order? Yeah, this was a seminal decade for me as well. Some might call it an inaugural decade. Wow.

Your first hundred days as it were. Exactly. Were you call it an inaugural decade. Wow. Your first hundred days, as it were. Exactly. Were you born on an Oscars day? That would be fitting. Do you remember? I don't know when were the Oscars in 1996. My birthday is March 31st. I know my birthday. Oh, it could be. Wow. I'll look that up afterwards. Choosing first is Chris Ryan. Wow. CR. March 24th, Bobby.th bobby oh one week yeah i came into the world with oscar's takes still getting flown out that explains a lot actually choosing second is sean fantasy hmm so amanda chooses twice right we're doing snake i choose third okay actually it was march 25th in 1996 i was getting confused about which you know the year in which it happened versus the year that they're honoring, which is always a confusing thing.

Anyway, you were very close, Bobby. Just missed it. Yeah. Ciara, you know what you're doing here? You have a pensive look on your face. Well, I was at once happy because I feel like I can make a pick that's going to be basically the poker, like the check in poker. But then I'm also like, fuck, what if I do that and then you guys get to pick twice before it gets back to me

and I'm going to be screwed. But I'm going to start us off with a reliable favorite and go original screenplay Pulp Fiction. You went for it. Good pick. Not the only pick in this category. I know.

I know. Sean's just trying to cover the fact that his heart just fell out of his chest. It's okay. It's okay, Sean. That's not true. That's not true.

I'm not checking anybody because famously, the only award this movie won. So I'm not taking anything off of the board by taking this. I have a great movie, but I did not then

throw us all into chaos because I picked something that won 11 Oscars. It's a fascinating strategic decision because there are a couple of movies that are critical in this draft. And now I have a chance to take one of them off the board. And I'm not totally sure if I should do that because there are a few winners here that I'm really excited about in categories that are only middling. I don't know.

I was not intending to have the second overall pick. So now I don't really know what I want to do. What were you intending? Because you usually choose that stuff. A lot of, I saw some response to a draft we did recently and there was a lot of Sean Fetis he never misses. In fact, there was like multiple ones that said that to the extent that I was like, this is definitely Sean just Sean copying and pasting it's like the comments in the athletic where they're like I've never seen sports content delivered with such clarity thank you to the

writers and editors of the athletic thank you to Sean fantasy for once again showing us how we shall movie draft he is a good man no that what it was like really good okay gosh I genuinely don't know what I'm gonna do here No? Is that what it was like? That's good. That was really good.

Okay. Gosh. I genuinely don't know what I'm going to do here. Did I throw you off or are you like this didn't change my strategy? It didn't really change my strategy but I'll be perfectly honest. I didn't strategize that deeply for this one because of what Amanda was saying which is sort of like there's so much unknown

it's kind of hard to know what to do. I guess I'm going to go with Anthony Hopkins and Silence of the Lambs for best actor. Okay. Silence of the Lambs is the last film to have won all five of the big five Oscars. It won best picture, best actress Jodie Foster,

best actor Anthony Hopkins, best original screen, or best adapted screenplay by Ted Talley, and best director for Jonathanathan demi so now all of those wins are off the board by me taking just took five out right yes um great pitch on is anthony hopkins the absolute best best actor win of the 1990s it's kind of debatable right because he doesn't have a ton of screen time so the thing is is like it's extraordinarily memorable you know it's not my draft in's not your fault. You know,

you're just drafting the results, you know? No. And also, this category is a bit strange. It is. It's a weird one. There are not as many big winners that you'd want to have

in your pocket. So that's essentially what's motivating my choice here. I have a very clear strategy here. I know what I want to do, which is great. This is one we're going through. It actually does help.

Okay. In Best Picture, I will be taking a little film called Titanic. I knew you were going here. I know what I want to do, which is great. This is one we're going through. It actually does help. Okay. In Best Picture, I will be taking a little film called Titanic. I knew you were going to. Yeah, of course. Thus taking Jim Cameron off for director. Sure. Sorry to all of you. Should we be saying stuff like that, Sean? Do you want me to? Yeah, I think that's helpful. Yeah, no, absolutely.

But no one else in the board, because it was not recognized in the acting categories. Zane was robbed robbed and famously leo was not even nominated but uh i don't know titanic pretty good if you could have given away another a performing oscar for titanic you go paxton zane paxton is so good in the weird opening underwater seaboat just being Jim Cameron shots. I do really enjoy it. Was Gloria Stewart nominated? She was, right?

Oh, I think so. Yes. That seems right in Best Supporting Actress. Do I have that one open? This is the other thing where... She didn't win, though. She was just nominated for her performance in Best Supporting Actress. She was nominated.

That's right. I think she lost to Kim Basinger. Correct. She was nominated. I think she lost to Kim Basinger. Correct. She did. Okay. So Titanic, pretty self-explanatory. That was like a really big deal. So now three of the absolute biggest, most iconic movies of the 1990s are already off the board.

Pulp Fiction, gone. Silence of the Lambs, gone. Titanic, gone. And then this is a sentimental pick that is also taking boxing someone out uh in best original screenplay i will be taking ben affleck and matt damon for goodwill hunting wow so that was the one that's a big one that's a that's a really big one this when i was talking about tapering oprah specials uh it was the one with matt damon and ben affleck this is the movie that got me

into taking movies seriously and being like, oh, wow. And also, obviously, those guys were adorable and remain adorable to me. I rewatched this speech outside, a very famous speech, because they're just pumped

and Matt Damon is just really just yelling things over and over again. They famously brought their mothers as dates. And also, very famously famously at some point during the filming of goodwill hunting matt damon and mini driver did uh were romantically involved and then by the time the oscars rolled around they were no longer romantically involved but mini driver was at the oscars was sitting one row right behind them and is caught get thanked um she did get thanked but I would recommend everyone watch

the close-up as Matt and Ben are getting ready to go on stage and she can be seen clapping in the background at half speed, robotically, so angrily. The speech cuts to her again when she's being thanked

and she also looks pretty pissed off. But the way that she's clapping is like it's like a pre-nicole kidman extremely weird like i hate you guys just a rich wonderful text and for a movie that i love so and and also you know one of the great oscar moments in my opinion good pick i felt calm and aware of that those being your first two picks and now i have no idea which direction you'll go in um we're living up to our identities thus far my for my next pick i think that this is the second best of the best picture winners of the decade and i'm choosing unforgiven jesus sean and that's. That's the harvester right there. So this is also a strategic pick. I do love Unforgiven. Chris, you and I have talked about Unforgiven many times on the show. I'm much asked for a rewatchable. Hopefully we'll get to do it on the rewatchables one day.

Clint Eastwood's, I guess what felt like at the time, late career summation of his work in the American Western, which cut to 30 years later. Maybe he's going to continue making movies, which is just remarkable. Yeah, just one of the greatest Westerns of all time. One of the most self-conscious, but also kind of riveting and emotional stories told about aging and about violence and about what we do to protect ourselves and how we see ourselves. So just a great, great movie. And, you know, there are, there were some other winners in for this film,

probably most memorably best supporting actor, Gene Hackman, who was Little Bill in the film. So that is also off the board now. And I'll tell you what, as great as the Oscars felt like they were in the 90s,

not as many best picture winners. No, no. That I love. So I felt like I had to do 90s. Not as many Best Picture winners that I love. So I felt like I had to do this here. So Chris, you're up. I already feel like my strategy is the movies that I want to have on my final list versus what I know

I should probably do for the sake of my draft. But I have two picks so I can play a little bit here, right? So I'm going to, along the lines of what Sean was just saying, with the Best Picture winners not being like, I mean, they're big movies. I don't know if they're like movies

that we still treasure to this day. I'll pick one that I watched again recently and is still a pretty harrowing and remarkable thing, which is Schindler's List. So I'm going to take that for Best Picture that also takes steven spielberg off the board for best director for schindler's list which he won and then my second pick no other wins there right in the in the big eight categories correct i think that this was the logical third best picture winner. You're stumped here, man.

You're really stumped. Well, I'm just, I'm weighing so much stuff here. This is the rare best picture winner that has, that won seven categories, including director screenplay. It did win screenplay, by the way.

That was the other one. This is Steven's Alien screenplay. Score, film editing, cinematography, art direction, but nothing for performances. In fact, only Ralph Fiennes was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. I'm going to continue down the line.

I guess I'm just going to pick the one that I want. It's going to be Frances McDormand in Fargo for Best Actress. Tough. It's a good one. Tough. Yeah. Also a weird category.

Yes. But this is the one that I probably feel most strongly about this performance. Yeah. Lo and behold, best actress,

pretty weak in the 1990s. Why do we think that is? Who could say? Because they were offering great roles for women. There are a couple

of choices that you could make here, Amanda, I think, in this category. Yeah, there are. Some of your faves are there. This is cool, too, also, because there are some times when we're doing

different kinds of drafts and it's just like, everybody stay away from my bank robbery movies, you know what I mean? But there's a couple here where I was like, I don't want to get

the Wrath of Dob going here. Right. The Wrath of Dob? Yeah. Is that an episode of Star Trek? It's Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Dob? Yeah. Is that an episode of Star Trek? Star Trek 2 Wrath of Dob. Okay, so I have a

You start hunting her Jane Austen adaptations. Well, you knocked out some of my strategic moves that I was going to make here.

So I'm just going to go with my heart and I'm going to stay in the acting categories and I'm going Joe Pesci for Goodfellas. That's a good one.

So that's supporting actor. And there was no other nominations. going Joe Pesci for Goodfellas. That's a good one. So that's supporting actor. And there was no other nominations. This is best supporting actor and Goodfellas, of course, famously passed over for best picture among other categories. But Pesci is incredible in this film as Tommy, one of the most iconic performances of the 1990s.

Terrifying, hilarious, curious study of manhood in the 1950s in Americaica you were you ever in love with joe pesci amanda what do you how do you feel about him i i wouldn't say in love but great enthusiasm and respect were you terrified of him yeah of course and joe pesci was also you know my dad was just very into everything that was going on there from a very early age so it's like one of those things it wasn't wasn't quite as confusing as my dad trying to make me watch diner but i was just kind of like hmm this seems like something that my dad is relating to that i

don't really understand but you know maybe one day i'll get there and then i got it um okay so should we why don't you pick your third and then we'll do a quick recap so that we can get a sense of where we are. There's no other Goodfellas winners here, so we're not eliminating anything. So I'm very excited because I was worried I wasn't going to get this one. It will also be in the Best Supporting Actor category, and I'm taking Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Good one. Which I just absolutely cannot tell you how good this is. I rewatched...

I don't care! Oh my god, I rewatched. I don't care. Oh my God. I rewatched The Fugitive on a plane a couple months ago. And it was one of those where like I needed to sign up for the plane Wi-Fi just to be sure that Tommy Lee had in fact won the Oscar for this performance. And it wasn't just like a, you know, a nomination because isn't that cute? No, this rules. Also, it was so much fun when the Oscars actually gave, you know, Oscars to performances like

Tommy Lee Jones and the Fugitive. So that's what I'm doing. Best Supporting Actor. I don't know that the Fugitive was on the board anywhere else. So maybe not strategically the smartest, but I don't care. Listen up, ladies and gentlemen. Our Fugitive has been on the run for 90 minutes. Average foot speed over uneven ground barring injury

is four miles an hour, which gives us a radius of six miles. What I want out of each and every one of you is a hard target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, hen house, outhouse, and doghouse in that area. Checkpoints go up to 15 miles our fugitives name is dr richard kimball go get my scalps that's how you were doing that you sounded very well

they might have something in common they're both hunters aren't they okay so you got another pick here amanda you want to recap quickly on the three that we had we each have yeah let's do that and then i'll do my second pick because I don't know what it's going to be. Okay. CR has got Pulp Fiction and Best Original Screenplay. Amanda, you've got Good Will Hunting. I've got Joe Pesci for Goodfellas and Best Supporting Actor. You have Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive.

I have Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs for Best Actor. Chris has Frances McDormand in Fargo for Best Actress. We've all got our best pictures now locked in. Schindler's List for Chris, Unforgiven for me, Titanic for Amanda. Okay, your fourth pick, Amanda.

Okay, so I think I have to be strategic here. Even if I'm risking... I mean, listen, you guys are going to make the moves you make, and if you make decisions against me, you'll suffer the consequences. But in the meantime... In the meantime, I'm going to

need to go and best director and I'm going to take Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan. Jesus Christ. So this is very savvy on your part. And I know exactly what you're doing. Yeah. Which is you're picking movies that Sean and I like while also letting us know that if we pick a movie that you like, we'll have to be like ducking for cover. Also, a lot of best director is off the board at this point. Amanda, shame on you. Shame on you. When's the last time you watched Saving Private Ryan? I think I watched part of it when we did the Spielberg pod.

But listen, Silence of the Lambs off the board, Unforgiven off the board. So Clint Eastwood and Jonathan Demme off the board. Respectfully, oh, and James Cameron off the board for Titanic. I'm not going to be picking Mel Gibson for Braveheart. Maybe one of you will. And I'm not going to be picking Sam Mendes for American Beauty. So it was narrowing.

And I wanted Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan. This is just shameful. The move here for you to be true to yourself was to go with Anthony Miguella for the English patient. And you didn't do it. You know what? Maybe I have another plan, Sean. I just can't believe this.

It's absolutely shameful. It's to you, Sean. We're burning through this. And yet, we still have four more selections. And the pool is narrowing. I believe that currently one, two, three, four, five, six of the best director winners are off the board for the 1990s. That's why I had to do it. Yes, but I just told you what you should have done.

It would have been more honest to the Amanda experience. Honestly, English Patient is a beautifully directed movie and I really feel what he's going for, but I needed to keep my options open. Okay. Shameful. He's mad.

I didn't even, I honestly wasn't doing it in a troll way entirely. Of course you were. What are you talking about? The shameful counter is at like seven. You've said shameful

seven times. Yes, because it is both a shame and she should be shamed. And so both of those things work in conjunction. I'm trying to make a good podcast here, guys. Come on, just roll with it.

For all the reasons you cited, I'll be taking Anthony Minghella for the English patient. This fucking guy. Really? Yeah. Sean, honest to God question. At this moment, on the day of this taping, right now, Sean honest honest to god question at at this moment

on the day of this taping right now yeah have you seen The English Patient? never seen it okay great are you kidding me? yeah he's never seen The English Patient

oh Sean it's a wonderful movie it's yeah no it's tremendous so I've heard from you and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for the last 30 years

but you've seen everything I just haven't seen it it's a blind spot. He's going to be seeing it at some point soon. It's what it's what Seinfeld is to you, CR.

Sure. You just you just you didn't you didn't participate in that moment in the 90s. What was like getting up to in this movie?

You do also that was an intentional Chris, I don't know if you know that like the English not liking the English patient was a whole Seinfeld bit. There was an episode where everyone's like I wouldn't know if you know that like the English not liking the English patient was a whole Seinfeld bit. There was an episode where everyone's like,

I wouldn't incredible. Yeah. Incredible episode of that show. And I'm, I'm, I'm sure this is a wonderful film. And I, that leaves CR with having to choose Robert Zemeckis,

Sam Mendes, Kevin Costner, or Melis, Sam Mendes, Kevin Costner, or Mel Gibson. Which is just funny because either way you're picking the person who beat Tarantino for Pulp Fiction

or you're beating the person who beat Martin Scorsese for Goodfellas. I know, I got it. Or you're picking Mel Gibson. It's actually just funny to have made that pick regardless.

Okay, so I have two now? Yeah. And you fuck me. So now we're in a zone where, correct me if I'm wrong, it opens up a little bit because a lot of the multi category winners have been picked. So now we're back to what do you,

what do you like here? And so I'm going to pick one. That's just a crowd pleaser off the top here. And that's Marissa Tomei and my cousin Vinny. Great pick. Good one.

Great pick. I just watched, I maybe shouldn't be admitting this, but I got served on YouTube a makeup tutorial by Marissa Tomei. Okay. And she seems just like a dynamite lady. You know, like...

100% agree. What kind of makeup? Well, it starts a lot with her morning routine and she drinks a lot of water and she drinks it on screen like she's just like first i have my water and she just drinks water for like 20 seconds um and then she gets into like a little baggie of like these kind of like charcoal-y looking vitamins that she takes every day that are for like uh antioxidants and then it kind of goes from there. You know, there's always a lot of like, I'm going to rub this like cleanser in between my fingers for 10 seconds, you know? I maintain that a content channel I would pay a ton of money for is Chris recapping fashion

and beauty videos and things that he saw. A plus money. Just keep going. I would. I would be the only subscriber, but I would do it. And now I have to get, I have to get my, so what do I have left here? I have to pick a director, an actor,

and a supporting actor. Correct? And an adapted screenplay. For adapted screenplay, I think I'm going to go with LA Confidential. Good pick. Which also takes Kim Basinger. Is Kevin Spacey also from L.A. Confidential?

No. So just Kim Basinger off the board. Rewatched this recently. I guess parts of it haven't aged great, but it's still an amazing crime movie. What hasn't aged? I think this is an... Just the same way james

elroy in general is is a little dicey but you know uh it's it's still quite good crow is is fucking incredible in this movie doesn't really feel inauthentic to 1950s hollywood though does it not at all um i think i'm speaking more from the perspective of somebody who's read basically all the james elroy um, and then get a little, a little hot, but. Okay. Boy,

picking second. This has been unpleasant. I got to tell you guys, I haven't enjoyed myself. I like having back to back picks. You're being a good sport about it. Um, I am,

I am. I'm, uh, I'm incredibly gracious and, a friendly host. What do you think the English patient is about? Don't Google it. It's about a guy who flies a plane and crashes and needs to be cared for.

Okay. And I think he doesn't, he fall in love with the woman who cares for him, the nurse. But then there's another woman that he's in love with. And then like he, she doesn't know that he's been cheating on her with the nurse. For a second there, I thought you were going to redo Quentin Tarantino's monologue from

Sleep With Me where it's like, it's about a guy. Okay, so here are the categories I need to choose from. Original screenplay, adapted screenplay, supporting actress, actress, and that's it. I'm going best actress, Kathy bates misery okay is it the best performance of the 1990s maybe that rhetorical question i don't know rob reiner's adaptation of stephen king's novel incredible movie gripping movie screenplay by william goldman kathy bates as annie the obsessed fan of james khan james khan's novelist. This feels like the first movie phenomenon I was aware of.

This was a movie that every single one of my parents and their friends talked about at dinner parties for hours and hours and about all the things that she did and famously putting the blocks between Kahn's ankles and cracking those ankles open. And she was like, she was the pinnacle of stalker energy,

honestly, in 1990. And a great and kind of unexpected performance from her, toggling between the sweet and the obsessed and the violent. So Kathy Bates for Best Actress. Okay. So I have two now. What do you have left? Supporting Actress?

I have Adapted Screenplay, Supporting Actress, Actor, and Actress. I'm going to go straight to adapted screenplay and obviously take my number one hero and my number one movie, Emma Thompson, for Sense and Sensibility. Happy for you. Thank you. This is one where they just got it right. And I made Sean watch this movie. I think that this is definitely one of the best Austin adaptations except for maybe Clueless, which also came out in 1995. And I love that Emma Thompson, who also stars in the film, gets recognized in the adapted screenplay category.

I will once again recommend, if you have any interest at all, the diary that Emma Thompson kept while making Sense and Sensibility that was published along with the screenplay. You can think it's out of print, but you can find it on Amazon and is just a real treat into the process of both how she plays the character, but is thinking about the movie and thinking about Austin and just how to be a cool, smart lady in the world, which we're all trying every day. So I'm glad that you guys didn't take that away from me. That would have been unforgivable. And then what am I going to do here? Because you guys both. All right. I thought I could wait on something, but maybe I can't. And I don't know how snaky Sean's going to be. So it's fine. Best actress. My girl, Gwyneth Paltrow.

Shakespeare in love. There we go. Thank you very much. Gwyneth, we did it. No one else cared, but you and me and the pink dress. And I thought it was beautiful and I love you forever.

What was the show that somebody asked her recently on IG? Are you going to make an appearance? It was at Hawkeye. Hawkeye. And she was like, I don't know what that is. She was like, what's that? I feel like she's being coached into these comments. Oh, you think that this is a pose?

Yeah. Because now that I've talked about her doing stuff like that, not me, just anyone has talked about her doing stuff like that, and it's been memed since 2018, I now think it's a plant. I think she's full-blown plant territory. Oh, kind of like Taylor Swift performatively being upset about

Damon Albarn? I'm not commenting on that. Oh my God. Chris, you should try that bit. You should forget podcasts that you were the co-host of.

Oh yeah. Does music exist? Who did that? That's cool. That's a good idea for a pod. Yeah. The re-watchables?

You guys just watch old movies. That's cool. I thought Gwyneth was very lovely in this movie. It's a bad pick. The movie sucks. Remember that movie, Beat Saving Private Ryan, which you stole in Best Director?

You coward. You are such a coward. Okay. What's going to happen when a man, like when she's not pregnant and you feel like more like free to be mean I will I will

it's not about that it's about beginning my campaign to turn her child against her and towards me it's like I am the Sith Lord I'm the Emperor yeah exactly and and we will bring him into the fold and we will bring him into the fold. And we will watch Fincher movies together.

That kid's going to live in the pit. We're just going to be moshing him from toddler. Oh my God. Okay. I think I've only got one move here. I'm going to get best supporting actress and I'm going Whoopi Goldberg. Damn it. That is what I was wondering whether you would do it.

Yeah, that's really good. I'm shocked you didn't take it there. I was definitely not going to take Gwyneth, but... Well, I worried if I took it that you would then take Judi Dench to piss me off. Oh, well, I just don't like that movie. So it's a tough one for me. But you've literally never seen The English Patient

and you drafted it. So it's... Good point. It's a very good point. Anything's on the table here at the Oscar winner's movie draft, especially with these new rules, which makes it very hard to compete.

Who doesn't like Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost? One of the funniest, most compelling performances in the 1990s. Obviously, she plays a medium. What's that? Molly, you in danger, girl. That's right.

I don't know. What else is there to say? It's great. Were you on this rewatch? It was you, right, Amanda? Yes, because... Yeah, it was you were right, Amanda? Yes, because it was me and Bill. And then just me talking about how I learned about sex from the pottery scene.

See, are you ever fuck a ghost? That's my knowledge. You know what I mean? But it could be like asymptomatic COVID where who knows, you know, if you could, can I ask right now,

if you could fuck one ghost, who would it be gandhi okay okay i would for me it would be like you just no sold the shit out of that what the hell is your problem it's really good when chris like tries to turn you working blue like around on you because if he wasn't gandhi so uncomfortable i just but like i just blanked me this is an audio medium i immediately thought of ben kingsley and i was like that's that's strange you know both that i thought of ben kingsley because i've got movie brain but also just you sexually mingling with ben kingsley and that's in play because he's still alive well i don't want to name a woman who lived so then i have to like be pining after a dead woman. I'd

rather just make a joke. And you no-sold the joke because you're tyrannical about jokes. You're like, I would make the jokes on the podcast. No, that's not true. I laugh when you say all the time. I'm half like I'm always in the bag for you. Okay. All right. Thank you, Chris. Chris, I'm still on your side. I'm not on Amanda's side. I would want to go

kind of like on a Bronte trip, you know, like kind of like kind of like on a Bronte trip, you know, like kind of like what's going on in the moors, you know, that I could like get wild and... Wait, are you saying

you're a Heathcliff in this situation? Well, no, I mean like just like that vibe, like Rebecca, you know, what was she like in the sack,

you know? You want to have sex with the protagonists of bronte novels is that what you're saying no rebecca like from the hitchcock movie that that yeah she's hiding in the curtains kind of thing like oh you're a little playful aren't you you know so it's like rebecca is not really haunting the house you You know, the one who is haunting Rebecca. Yeah. So Mrs. De Winter, like the first one, is who you want to. Oh, interesting. Does that also apply to like, do you want to fuck the lady in the attic in Jane Eyre?

Or are you interested in Jane Eyre? What was she into? She had a really hard time and she got locked in the attic. Okay. And that was tough. And then, but that freed the way for Jane Eyre to eventually marry Mr. Rochester. Spoiler. This is one of the more disreputable segments on this podcast.

Rita, I married him. Have you heard of it? Anyway. You're the one who brought the Brontes up. I didn't know that Moors were such like a, you know, a luring prospect for you. I like the element of danger. You know, it's like, we might just blow right off. You want to be ravaged on a cliff by a ghost.

That's what you're saying? Yeah. You want to have sex with Gandhi. I was making a joke. You were channeling your innermost feelings. Amanda hasn't answered yet. I'm sorry. I'm just still thinking about you

just like wandering around on the moors. What was the name of the demon in The Exorcist? Pazuzu? Pazuzu. That should be Amanda's pick. You want to get in the mix

with Pazuzu? That's a good one. Now I'm picturing Amanda picking up Pazuzu at a singles bar. Pazuzu sitting at the end of the bar. Having a Mai Tai?

Yeah. Yeah. Nursing a Coors Light, waiting for somebody to notice him. You guys come here often? Yeah. Yeah. Haunt me, please.

Haunt me, daddy. Haunt me, daddy is my new pod. Is that about demons? Is it like a... It's like the rewatchables, but for demons? Yeah, it's like long-form interviews about ghosts we'd like to have sex with. Me and Javier Bardem.

I thought it was going to be like Cold Case of you trying to figure out which ghosts you have had sex with over time. So there's like a true crime element to it as well. That night in Portugal where it seemed like the shutters kept closing. Last House on the Left Daddy. Yeah. Last house on the left, daddy. Yeah.

It's a good show for you. Whose turn is it? And what has been picked? I think I just went with Whoopi Goldberg, so I think it's your turn. Okay, so it's my turn. And let's just do a quick recap. So I got to get best supporting actor. I got to get best actor and best director.

Okay. Boy. I'm starting to go a little dicey here. There's one thing that you could do in best actor that I would feel good about. Well, I just recently rewatched this film and I thought it was quite beautiful and also much not stranger

but just I kind of wanted to have a more general conversation with everybody here about the kinds of movies that won multiple Oscars over the course of this decade and how we often lament the lack of the middle anymore in these sort of genre movies or they don't make Michael Clayton anymore but

they don't really make Philadelphia anymore either and I'm going to pick Tom Hanks for best actor here. Uh, love it. Extraordinary performance, extraordinary movie, really quite confrontational. Uh,

I forgot about like just Denzel's character in this movie and like his sort of arc throughout the, the film. Um, but this is, you know, there's so much direct to camera, um, performance in this movie where like the camera

is just like head on with with an actor and it's it's very very gripping even now um you know it's so many years later demi style very similar to silence of the lambs the into camera close-up which was his signature that has since been adopted by barry jenkins and paul thomas anderson and a bunch of other filmmakers who who i, I don't know, evolved it, I guess. But I watched this movie over during the first year of the pandemic and I was blown away by it. I think it is really remarkable movie.

So, and then, um, that's my best actor. And I still have one of the great speeches to Tom Hanks, his speech when he wins there, when he thanks him, he acknowledges that the person who taught him how to act,

his theater teacher, incredible, amazing speech. Actually, Bobby, can we just hear he acknowledges the person who taught him how to act, his theater teacher. Incredible speech. Amazing speech. Actually, Bobby, can we just hear a little bit about that? Yeah, it's so good. And there lies my dilemma here tonight. I know that my work in this case is magnified by the fact that

the streets of heaven are too crowded with angels. We know their names. They number a thousand for each one of the red ribbons that we wear here tonight they finally rest in the warm embrace of the gracious creator of us all a healing embrace that cools their fevers that clears their skin and allows their eyes to see the simple self-evident, common-sense truth. And I guess for best director, I think I'll go Costner. Wow. You would shit on Marty like this.

Wow. You would do this to Martin Scorsese. He eventually won. He'll be winning again next spring for Killers of the Flower Moon. And Dances with Wol wolves is uh you know like a movie well i mean as a film that centers the white man and the story of i know like i can't have a conscience pick zemeckis honestly it just i just don't like forrest gump as a movie i know

it's an achievement and i know that it was like a global phenomenon. And I don't think I've watched it since 1996. And I just don't like that movie. Is this because you heard Bill impersonate Forrest ejaculating on the rear watchables that you won't pick it? Is that what it is? Why don't you unpack that? Because you were the one who was in the room with him while he was doing that. It's one of the darkest days of my life.

That was, you know, a lot of people say like they see God at a significant turning point, you know, or they're just like, I felt like I felt a higher power. I felt a lower power. I felt that there was in fact a Satan below me because in my professional environment, I watched my boss, your mentor an incredibly close colleague and someone I've known for a long time and care about deeply pretend to ejaculate

as Forrest Gump on a pod and it changed me forever yeah I'm glad I wasn't on that one just because I bet that would have been like a running bit if I had been you know just been like let's bring that up again

anyway Dances with Wolves I think it's quite beautiful to look at. It's a well-directed film and it's a pretty good Western. How much of this is

because you've been spending time with Ursula doing Yellowstone? I have been in the Sheridanverse, so I think it is impacting that. I'm on the wagon

train north, so yeah. Okay. I mean, not a bad... I'm also like, this is cool. This is like,

Costner's just like the biggest thing in the whole planet at this point yeah did you love braveheart when it came out i don't remember i cuz did you i'll be perfectly honest um my dad was like we don't trust the scottish in this household interesting so he had a hard time why i don't know he had a weird time. Why? I don't know. He had a weird thing to them telling that story. Was your dad,

so your dad not a big train spotting guy? Definitely not. My father was an active drug cop at the time. So no, he was not a fan of train spotting. Anything that seemed...

Choosing life. Okay. Yeah. Not a big Iggy Pop guy as I recall either. I don't think I hated it i thought it was fine i thought it was like obviously the the brutality of it was kind of fascinating and i remember specifically that you know his death and the torture of his death being like really burned

into my memory but um there were so many movies in this time that we're talking about here like fargo and pulp fiction that i just loved so. And so when a movie like Braveheart came along where I was like, even though this is violent and seems transgressive, it's still basically like a biopic and seems kind of boring to me. So I never really got into it in that respect.

Anyway, I'm vamping a little bit. Have either of you seen Dances recently? Not in a long time. I think, again, on a plane, I saw part of it a few years ago and was like, wow, this is a really long movie that a lot of people loved. I liked the first half of it a few years ago and was like wow this is a really long movie that a lot of people loved I like

the first half of it I like quite a bit where he's like him getting out there and like being in this in this remote fort but it definitely feels of another era for sure okay I've got two categories left they're both the screenplay categories I feel like I've

been slightly outfoxed in one of the categories. The other one I feel fine about, I'll just go with the one I feel fine about, which is The Usual Suspects. Obviously, there's been some very understandable controversy in the aftermath around this movie because of the director, but the screenplay itself, written by Christopher McQuarrie, who is now active in making the mission impossible movies with tom cruise is one of those just like diamond historical screenplays like a perfect whodunit a perfect trapdoor movie incredible genre movie a movie

that feels like it's full of 50 years of movie history riffing on you know heist movies and and um you know getting the gang together movies. And it still works. It's a movie that still works despite the problematic nature of many of the participants of the movie. I mean, Chris, you guys did it

on the rewatchables a couple of years ago, I want to say. It's just remarkably effective. I think it was last year. I think it was last summer. Last year. And so I still think

it's a big achievement. And I always think it's cool when movies like this was last summer last year um and so i still think it's a big achievement and i think i always think it's cool when movies like this like this is a pure genre movie and it's cool when the academy is like we will at least give it one thing or two things even though at the time i think in 1995 i was like there's not many movies i saw this year that were better than this movie so i've i in this constant three decades long war i have with the academy awards i'm like how are you guys deciding on what should be best picture? Whenever I see a movie, I'm like,

this is the best picture I've seen. But anyhow, it's a damn good screenplay. So I'll go to usual suspects. Yeah. I mean, it's also for all the reasons that everybody knows, like it would be,

you'd be a little bit queasy picking it, but space is incredible in this. And he won for it as well. Yes. Okay. So Amanda, you've got two picks and you've got two categories well. He is. Okay. So Amanda, you've got two picks and you've got

two categories left. My last two. Best Supporting Actress and Best Actor. Best Actor. So Best Supporting Actress, I did want Whoopi Goldberg.

That was a good pick, Sean. See how I can be magnanimous and share. I love you very much. I'm a huge fan of you. I love working with you and spending this much time with you and I'm excited for your very much. I'm a huge fan of you. I love working with you and spending this much time with you and I'm excited for your child.

But you are a coward for selecting Steven Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan and I want that on the record. Okay. Well, I thought that was a good choice that I made. And then another one

that I can't make in this category that I was trying to leave open was Juliette Binoche in The English Patient. I thought like maybe I could do that that way um shame though you know I think that's probably my third favorite performance in the movie which is something you'll understand Sean when you see the movie maybe at some point looking forward to that so I don't know I'm gonna get frisky here and just go with Angelina Jolie and Girl Interrupted. I will be honest, I have not seen Girl Interrupted like maybe since it came out. And I don't know if all of its portrayals of

mental health are, you know, responsible in the way that we would wish them to be in the current era. But I remember this is how I learned about Angelina Jolie. This is how she breaks on the scene with all of the the drama that comes next. And she's very good. Like, I find her completely captivating on screen. Like, I cannot look away from her. And, you know, at some point she just started making salt one, two, four and five and Tomb Raider and all of that stuff. And she's a good as a action movie.

But this one, she's like good as a action movie but this one she's just good at acting so i i'm i'm pro i well i don't i'm pro this pick for me i think this feels good it's good pick so she's she's she was a lightning bolt yeah chris would you sleep with angelina jolie's ghost yes i don't know why you're asking like come on I'll tell you when I fell in love with her. You know who did sleep with her ghost is Billy Bob Thornton. Yeah, that's true. That's a fact.

Well, we're getting to that. I, Hackers. Chris, you seen that film? I have. 1995? Yeah, you know me. Andre Sekula shot that movie. Here are the movies that Andre Sekula shot.

Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Hackers. Bang, bang, bang bang we've talked about this before but there is no more fun thing to do than look at like the imdb of amazing directors of photography where it's just like terence malik's thin red line happy madison those guys work they gotta eat they gotta put food on the table uh it's like vilmus zigmund like fucking you know bowfinger or something it happens for sure uh okay man you got one more pick yeah so i have best actor and this one's interesting because it's a weird group of people. I mean, some of the greatest actors of all time, but not necessarily for movies that are my favorite of their movies. And then a few where it's just like, it's a hard no thanks from me.

You know, Chris, I was hoping that you would, you know, have a strong sense of self and just take Pacino. Yeah. Incentive a woman, even though that's not a good movie, but Pacino is your, um, you know, special connection. Um,

but I'm not going to take opportunity. Chris doesn't do a lot of scent of a woman voice work. I feel like he thinks it's beneath him. You know, I'm just getting warmed up like that. You don't really, you don't go into that zone of al no i mean i think that it's the when you've been at it for as long as i have it's the album tracks that really that

bring you to the table right right right the deep cuts right harness the hopes that's really more your bag that one's also tough because well al pacino obviously uh deserves many oscars he beats denzel and malcolm x that year which is know, there are a lot of could we have given that Oscar to someone else in this best actor thing. Another one where I'm like sort of tempted by the person is obviously Jack Nicholson who wins for as good as it gets.

But I don't, it's not my favorite of his movies. Yeah. Sean's making that face and I kind of agree with you. So he's the, if this is the movie, he's like the mean neighbor to Helen Hunt in this movie, right? Yeah. And they met together.

It's implied that he has ADHD and is hypochondriacal and, you know, dealing with a lot of mental health issues. Um, I, you know, I do remember it as a very charming Oscar campaign. And I think this is also when I,

again, when I was like starting to learn about these things. So it's an entry point to Jack Nicholson in a way, which, you know, thank you. But since Chris left it on the board, I think I'm going to have to be true to myself and true to the 90s

Oscars and take Tom Hanks and Forrest Gump. I think this is the correct pick. It is the correct pick. I, Tom Hanks is like one of my favorite I think this is the correct pick. It is the correct pick. Tom Hanks is one of my favorite actors. He is, in a lot of ways, the 90s Oscars in a person because he was also nominated but did not win for Apollo 13,

my favorite movie, which did not win in any of these categories. So I couldn't pick it. And Forrest Gump was a phenomenon. Please don't bring up the jizzing, whatever, again. We don't have to't pick it. And Forrest Gump was a phenomenon. Please don't bring up the jizzing, whatever, again. We don't have to talk about it. We don't have to talk about his performance doing that or Bill's performance of it. It's still Tom Hanks, one of the great American actors, winning his second Oscar in a row.

So just for the Oscar-iness of it all, I will be taking Tom Hanks and Forrest Gump. Well, one more pick. We mentioned his name earlier. There's only one best adapted screenplay film that I want to choose here and it's Sling Blade. Do you guys remember

the phenomenon of Sling Blade by Billy Bob Thornton? Now, here's the thing. This movie is in a technicality as an adapted screenplay. You know what it's based on? A short film, right? His own short film

that he wrote. That should not be an adapted screenplay. You know what it's based on? A short film, right? His own short film that he wrote. That should not be an adapted screenplay. That doesn't make sense. But it is nominated an adapted screenplay. And remember,

it recalls a time when it feels like this is less common now, but struggling actors would write screenplays and put themselves in the movies in order to become stars. A.K.A. Good Will Hunting. Good Will Hunting is an example of that.

Pulp Fiction is an example of that. That obviously is how Reservoir Dogs started out in many ways too. This felt much more achievable and maybe that's because the world of independent cinema was a little bit more codified back then and now it feels like it's all over the place.

But you could essentially brand yourself as a star if you wrote a great star part. And it could seem a little self-aggrandizing, but also Billy Bob Thornton has gone on to have one of the most productive, consistent careers. I mean, he's such an unlikely leading man and has been a leading man now in Hollywood for years and years. And Chris, you've watched every episode of Goliath on Amazon Prime. No, but I have never seen Goliath.

But did you know Billy Bob is in 1883? Is that a fact? Really? He is. What's he doing? He's a sheriff. Or is he a marshal? I think he's a sheriff. How's his work? I would say that it is exactly what you would think Billy Bob Thornton playing a sheriff in a Taylor Sheridan show is.

He looks very much the part. I don't know necessarily that he puts on a costume. It looks like what he was wearing that day. Sure. A rather modern garb, but at the same time, very appropriate for Fort Worth in the 19th century. And he's fucking good. Yeah, Tom Hanks is in 1883.

It's just a wild affair. Is he? Mm-hmm. In a flashback. Wait, really? Yeah, he's in one scene. Oh, okay. All right.

Amanda, should we scoop the watch and the prestige TV pod by doing 1883 and the big picture? What do you think? CR, how would you feel about that? I would honestly love it. I would be the first subscriber to that feed. Chris, you have one more

pick, am I right? Yeah. I think I have to go best supporting actor. Is that correct? It looks that way. Yes. I'll take Cooper Gooding Jr. Jr. and Jerry Maguire absolutely what a great performance what a fucking great moment when Jerry Maguire was just like

everything I love sports Tom Cruise Glenn Frey you know believing Sports, Tom Cruise, Glenn Frey. Believing in yourself. Believing in other people. Lipnicki.

It's just like, it all came together. Conversations about agents commission. Yeah, you know, like what is, you know, what's ethical capitalism. And I just love that. Fewer clients, less money. Yeah. This has one of the iconic scenes of the... One of the iconic lines of the decade.

Show me the money, that whole scene. What about help me help you? Yeah, just the whole... The shower scene. It's just incredible. Rod Tidwell right now. Is he Cooper Cup? I think he's like Gabe Davis you know it's

like where did this guy come from and then huge four touchdown game but you're not sure you're ever gonna see her from again yeah incredible you can tell we're recording this episode in January

based on the Gabe Davis reference okay sad if it was like he's Nelson Aguilar and he's on like his third team oh that's sad has stone I love Nelson Aguilar you know he reminds me of anxiety

and then he was working through it did Did he? Yeah, that's... Zach told me that. Maybe he made that up to try to get me interested in the Eagles game. But that's...

Now he's on the Patriots and he still sucks so it's fantastic for me. That's... I think he might be Keenan Allen. That's pretty fucking good. He looks like Keenan Allen, doesn't he? He has kind of the same build.

Anyway, should we recap our draft here? Yeah. Okay. We've each selected in eight categories. In Best Original Screenplay, CR with the first overall pick got Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction.

I got Christopher McQuarrie's The Usual Suspects. Amanda got Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's Good Will Hunting. In Best Adapted Screenplay, Chris got Brian Helgeland and Curtis Hansen's adaptation of James Elroy's L.A. Confidential. Billy Bob Thornton is my pick for Sling Blade based on his short film Sling Blade and Amanda got Emma Thompson's adaptation of Sense and Sensibility and best supporting actress Marissa Tomei for My Cousin Vinny that's CR's pick I got Whoopi Goldberg for Ghost Amanda got Angelina Jolie for her breakthrough in Girl Interrupted. Best Supporting Actor.

CR just picked up Cuba Gooding Jr. for Jerry Maguire. I got Joe Pesci for Goodfellas. And Amanda got Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive. What a category. Best Supporting Actor. Historically, always the best category. Best Actress. Frances McDormand for Fargo.

That's CR's pick. Kathy Bates for Misery. That's my pick. Gwyneth Paltrow, Shakespeare in Love. That's Amanda's pick. Best Actor. Chris got Tom Hanks in Philadelphia. Amanda got Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump.

And I got Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs. Best Director. Kevin Costner for Dances with Wolves. Chris Ryan blaspheming his hero, Martin Scorsese. Another shameful act. I, of course, got Anthony Minghella, the great late director of the film The English Patient, which is certainly a film that I can choose on this podcast. This is like when I picked Ghost in the

Shell. It's so bad. And you think because you get to narrate the recap, nobody's going to bring this up. You should be a fucking shame to yourself. We do have you on tape recapping what you think The English Patient is about. Which is pretty close.

It was okay for the first part, and then it really got off track um let me continue please uh amanda with uh with darkness in her soul selected steven spielberg as her best director for his work in saving private ryan a film i'm quite certain she does not revisit uh okay best picture i'm gonna now make amanda go to uh normandy do you do you want to know something i have fucking been to normandy i've been on the beach i've done it so you can't tell me anything chris have you been to normandy i haven't yeah wow it appears that amanda and i have respect for our forefathers and the sacrifice that they made to preserve this great country. Like quality to it as well.

Chris, it's more like quality given what you associate the mores with. So you're saying that you would like to have sex with the ghosts of the forces that raided the beaches of Normandy, the greatest generation of ghosts. Anyway, let's recap. Best picture.

Chris got Schindler's list. i got unforgiven and amanda got titanic this has been just just a way out of pocket what didn't get picked outside of the works of woody allen okay interesting question well nothing from the piano in what could be the year of jane campion i i thought about taking Holly Hunter for Best Actress and I didn't. And that was a film that won, I think that also won Screenplay. And Anna Paquin also won. So that went ignored.

I thought about Jeremy Irons in Reversal of Fortune. That's a damn good performance as Klaus von Bulau. What else? No American Beauty was picked. No American Beauty, hard to believe wow i mean that movie sucked at the time what else didn't get picked i mean you mentioned as good as it gets no helen hunt man i didn't get my guy jack palance from city slickers i thought that's where

you were gonna go um do you want to talk about like what we lost with City Slickers again? Do you want to hear the plot of City Slickers? It's about a guy who crashes his plane. The lady helps him out. Nothing from The Crying Game. No Braveheart. No Braveheart. Thelma and Louise, best screenplay. Yeah.

That could have been a good one. I thought about that one. Gosh, I don't know. What else? What are some of the big ones that we didn't hit on? We didn't hit Nick Cage. That was a real I mean like Nick Cage winning for leaving

Las Vegas but like his sort of like this is the best actor alive moment in the mid 90s was pretty significant so funny there's a this fine combination of things that feel iconic

like that of Nick Cage emerging as the actor of his time but then also there's like the cider house rules and gods and monsters and movies like that that are not necessarily bad movies

but just feel trapped in Oscar prestige amber you know like they don't really there's no culture around those movies there's no conversation around them they're just they've just sort of been cited and we've moved on from them as a culture um cr you missed a huge opportunity to get roberto benigni the best actor i wanted to save him for you i know that that is that's an important like you molded a lot of your personality off of that. Not only just the films, but also his behavior at the Oscar ceremony. You were like, that's my thing,

is like running across the tops of seats, you know? Wild hair is acting like an absolute jackal. That's you. When you're like, we're in a restaurant you're like i have to go to the bathroom and you step over all the tables it's very funny um amanda what else didn't we pick that you wanted to cite well apollo 13 didn't win anything in any of these categories and i'm mad i know i mentioned that but just reiterating it I you know I strayed away from Howard's End which won I think in adapted screenplay and also Emma Thompson did win an actor an acting award for

that so I could have had two Emma Thompson's if I wanted but it's important to you know honor all your portfolio yeah so I needed Gwyneth in there too for the full spectrum um and you know howard zen is another like merchant ivory kind of oscary type of i think chris famously these are the movies that made you hate all movies with petticoats and just like embrace a life of crime which i get it howard's um yeah well i find it quite moving but it big point of disagreement with me and my dad. Yeah. What else is missing? Did anyone pick anything from LA Confidential? I got out of the screenplay.

Okay. Adapted screenplay. What about Susan Sarandon in Dead Man Walking? Sister Hell. Yeah. No, not a fan. Hilary Swank and boys don't cry was that in the 90s 1999 oh we didn't pick anything from 99 we picked i think one i think

girl interrupted oh i did girl interrupted was i think that was the one pick from that year but i don't know i mean when you look at the list of the winners here, I mean, what do, what are we missing now that we had back then? What is the thing? Is it the issue movie? Is it the actor showcase? Like, what is the thing that you think that we're not doing anymore? When you look back at this,

it's to me, it's not about the winners. It's about what the, what the show felt like. It's much more about the importance of the show or the sense of, the sense of event, you know, that, that, that what's happening matters. And I don't, I'm power of the show or the sense of event. What's happening matters.

Power of the Dog is just as good as the piano. I don't know if Killers of the Flower Moon will be as good as Goodfellas, but they didn't pick Goodfellas for Best Picture. There were problems back then just as there are now. To me, it's more like the sense that everyone wants to be there. I think also the older you get, the less enamored you get of stars that are younger than you. And when you're older and you turn on the Oscars, Jack Nicholson is there and Clint Eastwood is there and Meryl Streep is there. And it feels like all of these people have been living in the

world for a century and they've been contributing to popular culture for a long time. And that feels like it's gone. You know, at the risk of getting a little bit melodramatic about the Academy Awards, it does feel like that era has officially ended

and so maybe that's just what feels out of touching distance. Yeah, I don't even know if people, if Denzel Washington gets nominated for Macbeth or whatever

and it's like, that's a huge movie star but like, is that a draw? You know, if people see him in the second row or first row of the Osccars it's like how many people have even watched the tragedy of macbeth you know that's the other thing is that it felt like when a movie was

nominated for an oscar people rushed out to see it for that reason and this was happening as recently as four four three or four years ago and it doesn't really happen as much anymore because movies just go straight to streaming and we don't even know who's watching them so that's that's also a fact dances and wolves made 184 million dollars in the domestic box office it's a three-hour western people used to go to movie yeah people also the other thing and it's related to the show mattering is that a lot of these speeches are very memorable. And they were cultural moments on their own. And how you, I mean, you knew Tom Hanks, but you got to know people and you still remember.

Like, I can remember people's outfits. Again, I was a little obsessed with all of this stuff. But it really became a defining moment for these people in a way that even I think if you give an Oscar speech now, everyone's like, oh, that was nice. Who was that? A little less snake-eating-itself stuff back then too, because when Tom Hanks does the Philadelphia speech, it's like the first time you're seeing that speech. Whereas by the time Matthew McConaughey wins for Dallas Buyers Club, he's done the speech a couple of times at the Globes, at SAX, or whatever. So there was a moment, there was a scarcity thing that I think the Oscars had

where it's like, this is the only night for movies. Just looking back at the draft results, CR, you did a great job here, bud. Thanks, man. Really great draft. First pick, that helps, but honestly,

you went a little counterintuitive on the first pick. Well, that was the thing. I was like, oh, I could take Demi or Hopkins and then take Silence off for everybody and see what happens from there. But, you know. You just let Sean do that.

And I just didn't want to be an American beauty hell, you know, where I was like, I'm picking. Let me let me throw something out to you guys, because I noticed this when Amanda, you had the second pick last time and I had the second pick today. Whoever gets the second pick, I feel like finishes and last every time. And part of that is because you don't have the optionality of getting two in a row and I'm wondering how do we change this how do we upgrade or update the game to we just we would get rid of the snake right it would just go one two three one two three yeah or well it would be one two three two one two three two yeah could we just do that way could we just so basically second there's it's

basically no one has back-to-back picks we got to bring high fits back on to consult him on this okay um i think i think it might be because i'm noticing that the only people who can win are people who are picking first or third as far based on the last four or five drafts and it feels because you can just be much more strategic when you have two selections um you can make up for mistakes you can pick with your head and your heart because you're like oh i can get this one but i can also have like this very on brand pick for myself yeah it's interesting okay any other uh ruminations on the academy awards or this draft no a little melancholy yeah no I'm bummed. Oh, why? Well, it would be cool to have something like this big to look forward to.

You know what I mean? What are you talking about? You have sex with myriad number of ghosts in front of you. You have so much to look forward to. It definitely frees up my time to go ghost hunting. And also, you can visit Normandy now. Yeah. Have all this free time.

You can visit one of these sites. A special season of Hot Me Daddy. Chris goes to Normandy. Yeah. Have all this free time. You can visit one of these sites. This is a special season of Hot Me Daddy. Chris goes to Normandy. Yeah. Well, this has been a lot of fun. First off, I want to thank Pazuzu.

Maybe I would do it on like a people carrier. You know, like the way that those guys had to take the beach or like the fucking drawbridge. Do it? You mean like visit

or have sex with a ghost? Have sex on a people carrier as we approach Normandy with a ghost. That's a chilling image, I must say. Yeah. Now let's go to my conversation

with Ryusuke Hamaguchi. It's an honor to have Ryusuke Hamaguchi on the show today, nominated for four Academy Awards for his film Drive My Car. Drive My Car is an adaptation of a Haruki Murakami series of stories. I'm curious, just at the start, do you find adaptation more restrictive or more freeing in a way to have a text that you're starting with as you prepare a film?作品を準備している時に 作品のテキストを作ることになるのかもっともっと原作があるということは 映画作りの面から もっと縛られているという感じでしょうか それとももっと自由があるでしょうか

選ぶ作品によっては やっぱりより縛られるということはあり得ると思います ただ 原作者が映画に対してどれだけ理解があるか ということはとても重要だと思います 村上春樹さんはその点においては 完全に自由にやらせてくれたという感じです もちろんこういう方向で進みます というプロットは 許諾をお願いする地点でお送りして それに対してOKが出ているので

ある程度の合意 こっちの方向に進むよねという合意はあると思うんですけれども 基本的にはとても自由を与えてくれたし むしろ村上春樹さんぐらいの 物語作家の ものを扱うことによって すごく翼が生えたような 感覚っていうんですかね

本当に今まで自分が 書いたことがないようなことを どんどん書けるような感覚 とても自由に書けるような 感覚、クリエイティブな面で本当により深く 掘っていけるような感覚っていうのを与えられて それはすごいことだなと思いました 私はこの作品の原作について 本当に考えています 特にその作品が無双のアダプタションより 短期的に作られることができるようになっています

また、作品の作者が自分の作品を 理解している程度に考えていることにも関わっています And I think it also depends on the extent to which the creator of the original work understands your film and what you're trying to do. In the case of Haruki Murakami, he was totally on board in regard to this. He actually gave me complete freedom in terms of making this film. Of course, I did write to him to get his permission. So in the letter, I included details about the plot and the direction that I was planning to take for the film. And when I got his agreement to a certain extent, he really gave me essentially freedom to work on this film as I liked. And having someone of his stature to give me the okay, it almost felt like I had gotten wings. I had my chance to fly. And things that I

hadn't been able to write before, I really felt that this time around I could write very freely. It really sort of enlarged or emboldened my creative side. And I thought that was pretty amazing. You make this fascinating and amusing choice to withhold the title sequence until more than 40 minutes into the film. I'm curious about your intention there. And was that because you saw the opening act of the film as kind of a preamble as opposed to diving into the story?本当に興味深い選択が40分過ぎてからタイトルが出るんですけど それは意図に関してなんですけど

最初の方はオープニングとして考えたからでしょうか なぜそのことを選んだんですか 実際原作もまさに妻が死んだ以降の話なわけですね それに沿わせるというところがすごく大きかったと思います 一方で 小説と映画の大きな違いというのは 小説ほど自由に 人物の内面に移行ができない

ということです モノローグを自由に喋らせたりすることは 難しいもしくはすごく ちんぽなものになってしまう なのでできるだけ登場人物に 喋らせずにただ観客は彼が抱えている苦しみとか傷っていうものに 気づくようにしなくてはいけない そのためには原作では本当に回想形式になっている

この部分っていうのを現在のこととして この妻の関係をはっきりちゃんとまず見せる必要がある っていうふうに思いました 一方で物語の本筋っていうのはそこから始まるので ここからが始まりなんだよっていうサインを観客に送る必要はある っていうことをすごく思ってましたし一方でそこから新たに人間関係の 情報を拾い直さなきゃいけない観客の負担っていうものもあるので ここは一旦休んでもらおうと思いましたなので2分ぐらい音楽が流れてる間

ちょっと休んでもらってここから本編ですよっていう感覚で 観客にも体制を整えてもらうという気持ちはあったと思います is that in a novel you can depict in detail the interior lives of these characters. In the film, it's harder to do that without having the monologues or having this freedom to do that. In film, it can often become hackneyed if you use that tactic. But there is a necessity to convey to the audience or have them notice the pain, the scars that the main character has. The way of doing this in the source material was using flashbacks. This was something I was not going doing this in the source material was using flashbacks. This was something I was not going to use in the film. So I needed to show to the audience what was going on inside the character. So in terms of the 40 minute start that you referred to, it was my way of giving

the audience a sign saying like, this is where things are starting. There was going to be a lot of new people, a lot of new information that they were going to have to absorb. And in a sense, that would be a burden on the audience to take in all this new information. So that was why I intentionally added the two minutes of music, just to give them a little bit of a break so they could gear up for the next section for the rest. I love that choice. I'm very interested in the line between documentary and fiction in your work. It seems like your fictional films are very interested in what is real and what is real life. And conversely, in your documentary work, can you talk about theフィクショナルフィルムの人たちが、現実と現実の人生に関して、どのように興味を持っているのか、そして、ドキュメンタリーの作品の中で、どのように関係して描写されると思うんですが ドキュメンタリーの場合だったら逆になると思うんですが

今ドキュメンタリーとフィクションの関係について教えていただけますか ドキュメンタリーとフィクションというものは そもそもそんなに分けられないというふうに思っています それはカメラを扱う映画であれば これはもう避けられないことだと思います これは自分の映画の特徴ではなくて 映画全般が本来はそうなんだと思います これもう真実を訴えるドキュメンタリーなんだといっても

これはやっぱりある種の作為が入っている ある種のフィクションであるというのは逃れられないし 一方でフィクションを作ろうとしても それが生身の体、現実の風景を取る限り 現実というものに支配されてしまうという感覚は常に持っています。 なので、フィクション映画を作るのとドキュメンタリー映画を作るのは、本当に段取りの違い、プロセスの違いでしかないと思います。 一番最初に脚本を書くか、もしくは撮影をしてから構成をするかっていうような、そういう違いです。 あと、どの程度起こることを知っているかとか

それによってできることが違ってくるだけで 基本的には自分は今フィクションを撮るときも 役者の演技のドキュメンタリーを撮るっていうような つもりで撮ってるというかそうとしか撮れない そうとしかできないというふうに思っています So to begin with, I don't think that there really is that much of a, you can't really separate documentary and fiction. to enter. And conversely, when you're doing fiction, in this terms of this kind of filmmaking, inevitably, there's going to be some sort of reality that is going to control the filming of the fiction film as well. So I think the difference between documentary and fiction is really in the preparation or the process. That's where you can

see the differences in terms of like the script, or at what point you start shooting, how much has happened, how much information you have, that sort of thing. But I think for fiction as well as documentary, it really is about, well, for fiction, it's about the performances of the actors, but there's certain aspects that have to be in both of these. There's not a clear separation. Your characters often find themselves in emotionally upsetting or traumatic circumstances, but the films and their actions are not hysterical. And so I'm curious how you direct actors and what sort of tone you're seeking. Is there something universal about what you're communicating to your performers?登場人物に関してなんですが、感情的にいろいろ困難があってトラウマのような様子があると思うんですが、それでも映画の中にはあまり振る舞いに関してはヒステリーとかあまり慣れないキャラクターが多いと思うんですが、監督がどうやって演出の際には行っているでしょうかそして普遍的な様子を取り入れたりとかするでしょうか 役所の監督として

トラウマ的なものを抱えている人が みんなヒステリカルな表現をするわけではないですよね 単純にそういうこともあると思います ただそういう人物を今まで描いてないけれども 描く必然性があれば描くと思います 自分が役者に言っていること これは自分が脚本を書くときにも 多分自分に言っていることなんですけど

余計なことはしない方がいいということです さっき言ったようにカメラっていうのは 現実を映しているものであって 役者にとって現実っていうのは 自分の体なわけですね 自分が何か意図をして動こうとするたびに 体は独特の反応をするわけです それは意図して何かをしているってサインになってしまうものなんですよね

体が示すサインになってしまうので できるだけそれをしない方がカメラには本物らしく キャラクターらしく映るということを伝えてあります なので自分が本当に感じたら 何かをしていいし 何か感じてないことを無理にやることはない ということを言ってます それは自分のストーリーテリングにおいても

できるだけ自分に言い聞かせていることであって それのせいではないかなと思います ただ自分がいつかそういう感情 ヒステリックなものに何か必然性を感じれば、それを描くということは十分あることだと思います。 that kind of trauma. But if it were necessary for the film, that certainly would be something I would consider. But this is something I say to myself when I'm actually writing the script, in that don't do anything extra. Keep it to what is necessary. Because I think when you have a camera, as I mentioned earlier, you're going to be showing the truth is going to be revealed through the camera. And through the actors, the truth is coming out in their bodies, through the physical nature of their work. If they

intentionally try to move or do something a certain way, it's going to produce a very specific or unique reaction that seems to be very intentional. So I don't think that this is really the best way to proceed. Again, because with the camera, it's going to bring out the truth and it's going to cause the character to act in the way that the character should. I always think that actors should, if they're feeling something, they should go with that. If they're not feeling something, they shouldn't force it. This is really the only instructions I would give in terms of storytelling. So it might be coming from that.

But again, in terms of the hysterical aspect of trauma, it's something I haven't touched on. But if it was necessary, it would be something I would consider. I want to ask about how you personally work and find creativity. Obviously, the characters in this film oftentimes are out of the workplace when it feels like they're having their creative breakthroughs, sometimes in the car, sometimes visiting places that are meaningful to them. Where do you do your best work?彼らにとって重要な場所を訪ねる時はどこですか?監督はどうでしょうかそれが分かれば苦労はしないというところは 例えば脚本を書くとき 家の方が書き進むときもあるし 喫茶店の方が書き進むときもあって

それは法則性がなくて 毎回本当に単純に苦しむというところがあると思います ただ映画監督が一番本当に 本質的な仕事場ってのは撮影現場なので 撮影現場っていうのがいかに自分にとって快適な場所にできるか ということは心がけています ただ自分で自分のことはなかなかコントロールはできないので 演出家としてできるだけ俳優たちが心理的な安全性を感じられるようにしたい

というふうに思っています それができれば俳優たちはよく演技ができるし結果的に自分の作品も彼らによってよく見えるはずだと思ってやっていますで誰か僕の心理的安全性も代わりに確保してほしいなということをすごく思いながらあの仕事をしているという感じ well if I knew the answer to to that I wouldn't have any trouble in my writing but in terms of for script writing it really depends I might do it at my house I might do it at a coffee shop there's not really any kind of a rule every time it's different and every time I'm I'm at great pains in the process but for a filmmaker the essence is actually on set so I really take great effort to make the shooting as as comfortable as possible for the performers. There are certain things I can't control as a director, but the one thing I can is providing my actors with a place where they feel safe, psychologically safe, mentally safe. It's a place that's comfortable for them.

With that, they're going to give their best performance and it's going to create a better product for me as well. Sometimes I wish that there were someone who could look out for my mental health in that way, but I try to provide that for my actors. It seems like length has been a big talking point about your work ever since Happy Hour. And I'm curious if when you are conceiving a story, either working on a script or looking at an adaptation of some kind, that you know what the length of the piece is going to be or if it changes significantly in the editing stage of this.作品の長さやエディションの長さを知っているのか、 それが変わるのかこれはもう作品ごとに違うという感じです ハッピーヤーは本当にある種の冒険のようなプロジェクトであって

どこにたどり着くか誰も分かってなかったということですね ただかかっている予算というのは商業映画に比べれば はるかに少ないものなので そういう点ではリスクはすごく取りやすかったと思います ドライブマイカーに関しては 最初本当に2時間20分までだよということを 強く言われていました これやっぱり商業映画なので

ちゃんとその枠の中で自分もやりますということを はっきりと約束をしてですね やったら3時間になってしまったという ただ一方で嘘はつけないところはあってその3時間になってしまったただ一方で嘘はつけないところはあって 3時間になってしまったけれども これが一番いいバージョンだと思っているんです ということをプロデューサーに見せて そしたらプロデューサーたちがこれでいいと言ってくれた

これが一番力強いものなのではないか ということに同意をしてくれて それは本当にありがたかったということですね 2時間20分にしなさいって言われたら どうにかしてそれをしなきゃいけなかったと思うんですけれど、そうはせずに、この長さを保ってくれたことによって、おそらく今受けているような評価っていうのもあると思うので、これは本当にプロデューサーたちのおかげだと思います。 depends on what I'm working on. In the case of Happy Hour, I'd say that was more of like an adventure that we were all embarking on in terms of the project and no one knew where we were going to end up. It was very different from a commercial film. It was low budget. So it was very easy to take those kinds of risks. In terms of Drive My Car, I was initially told being a commercial film

that I should keep it to about two hours, 20 minutes. I promised that I would do so, but in the end, it ended up being three hours. But this was something that I was totally transparent about. I said that really this three-hour version is the best version. When I showed it to my producers, they actually agreed that this would be the most viable version.

So I'm very appreciative that that was recognized. If I had been told, no, you really do have to keep it to 220, I would have done that. But I do been told, you know, you really do have to keep it to 220, I would have done that. But I do think that keeping it at the duration it ended up being, three hours, is what is leading to the reception that it's receiving, the acclaim it's getting. So I really have to just thank my producers for that. Happy Hour and Asako 1 and 2 were very warmly received in America, but Drive My Car is a completely new level. Has this surprised you, what's happened with thisドライブ・マイ・カーは 全く新しいレベルになっている。この映画に関する感想は 過去数ヶ月前に偶然と想像という自分のもう一本の短編集も出ていたりして

それはそこまで 少なくとも観客にものすごくリーチしているというわけではないので やっぱりそのドライマイカーの受け入れられ方は 自分の作品の中でもすごく特別なものだと思うし それやっぱりでもやっぱり村上春樹さんの影響力っていうものが まだアメリカで十分強いんじゃないだろうかということは思いました それはやっぱりすごくベースになっていることなのじゃないだろうかということを感じています もちろん自分にとっては驚きですけれども

村上ハルキさんの読書読者数を考えれば それは起こり得ることではあったけれども それでもやっぱり驚いていますね。 Haruki Murakami and the source material. I think that here in the States, he has a very strong influence. So I think that has become the base for the reception. Of course, I am surprised at all the acclaim, but in thinking about his readers, it is something that, okay, it might have been possible, but I actually still am pretty surprised. I think you're being a little modest giving Murakami some of the credit there. The film is speaking for itself as well. I'm curious what the success of a film like this internationally means for your work in Japan.

Does this mean you have more resources and more opportunity because there is an international audience for a film like this, or does it not matter at all at home?本当に謙遜な姿勢だと思います監督のたくさんの力があったと思うんですね 村上さんだけではないんですが 今大成功 ドライブマイクファンに関してなんですが

国際的にも成功して 国内のことにどの影響があるでしょうか これからの作品なんですが 自分が与えられているリソースとか 機械とか資源とか そういうものが増えるでしょうか この外国の観客がこのようにいるのに それとも国内だったらあまり関係ないでしょうか

本当にわからないですよね というのはこのレベルの成功というのは自分も体験したことはないし 少なくともオスカーのアカデミー賞にノミネートされて これは日本映画の歴史的にも初めてなことで これが一体どういうことに自分を導いていくのかというのは 本当に分からないというのが正直なとこです 自分が思っていることは でもできるだけ自分の足元を見つめ直さないといけないということですね

何が自分のやりたいことかということをちゃんと見極めないと この状況そのものに飲み込まれてしまう というような危惧はどっちかといえば感じているので ちゃんと自分がこういうことをやりたいなと思えるまで 待ちたいなということを思っています ever experienced this level of success in terms of the Oscar nomination. It actually, it's a historic for Japanese film as well. So to be honest, I'm not sure where this is leading me or where this will lead me. But as much as possible, I'd like to sort of reevaluate and stay steady to my vision and what I'd like to do. I think if I'm not conscious of this, it might be

easy to get to sort of ride this wave and get swallowed up by it. So I'd like to stay the course and think about what I truly want to work on. Every time a filmmaker, no matter where they're from, has this level of success with the Academy Awards and stateside, people always ask, are you tempted by Hollywood to answer Hollywood's call? I'm curious for you, given that you have always had a very specific and personal vision of filmmaking, would you consider Hollywood's call if they made one?フィルメーキングの個人的な目標を持っているときに、 このフィルメーキングを作ることを考えていますか?個人的なビジョンがあると思うんですがもしホリウッドに呼ばれたらそれを答える

そのことを検討するでしょうか 検討はすると思います というのは 自分自身がそこまで 地に足がついた 監督というわけでもないので そういうことがあれば 当然検討はします

ハリウッドの映画に魅力も感じているし大きな予算があれば当然検討はしますハリウッドの映画に魅力も感じているし 大きな予算があれば一体どんな映画を作れるんだろう ということも考えたりする たださっき言ったことに戻りますけど 本当に興味が持てるかどうか 本当に自分がやりたいかどうかっていうのは 本当にその時の自分に任せようということを思っています I certainly would consider it. Because I'm not a very established director yet at this point,

so of course I would consider it. I understand the appeal of Hollywood films, and I wonder what I could do with a large budget. But this goes back to what I was saying earlier. It really would have to line up with my interests and whether it was something that I really wanted to do. I would just actually look inside at that time and really think if it was what I wanted to do. I would just actually look inside at that time and really think if it was what I wanted to do or not. You are a great cinephile as well as

being a great filmmaker, and we end every episode of this show by asking filmmakers what is the last great thing they have seen. I'm curious what you have been watching and what you've loved.僕はシネフィルだと思うんですが、毎回毎回このインタビューの終わりには一番直近気に入ったいい映画、見た映画は何だったという質問を聞くんですけど、監督の場合は何だったでしょうか。 初期に、一番最初の頃に。 最近ですね、すみません直近。 一番最近。

すみません。 一番最近見て気に入った映画。 何だろうな。 一番最近見て気に入った映画なんだろうな一番最近見て気に入った映画 これは本当に感動したもの これはケリー・ライカート ファーストカウですかね ケリー・ライカートは

日本に紹介されるのは 去年ぐらいのことだったので自分も知るのは遅かったですけれども、 ファースト・カウはとても感動しました。こういうものが一体どうやったら作れるんだろうと思いました。 私が最初に動いた映画は、ケリー・ライカートのファースト・カウでした。 Um, she actually only kind of came into, uh, the public's image, uh, last year in Japan. So I was a bit late to the party, but, um, I really loved first cow and, um, I wonder how I could make a film like that. It's a wonderful recommendation. Right. Okay.

Hamaguchi. Thank you so much for doing the show today. Thank you. Thank you to Ryosuke Hamaguchi. Thank you to Amanda Dobbins. Thank you to Ryosuke Hamaguchi. Thank you to Amanda Dobbins. Thank you to Chris Ryan. Thank you to our producer, Bobby Wagner, for his work on this episode.

It's Oscars week, and we are predicting Oscar winners later this week on the show. Joanna Robinson will join me, and we will pick all 23 winners before Sunday's ceremony. We'll see you then.