The Big Picture - The 1990s Summer Blockbuster Movie Draft

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

We are drafting again! Sean, Amanda, and Chris Ryan reunite for a draft of the summer blockbusters of the ’90s. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi, I'm Erica Ramirez, founder of Illy and host of What About Your Friends, a podcast dedicated to the many lives of friendship and how it's portrayed in pop culture. Every Wednesday on the Ringer Dish Feed, I talk to my best friend, Steven Othello, and your favorites from within the Ringer and beyond about friendships on TV and movies, pop culture, and our real lives. So join me every Wednesday on the Ringer Dish Feed, where we try to answer the question TLC asks back in the day what about your friends get groceries delivered across the GTA from real Canadian superstore with PC Express shop online for super prices and super savings try it today and get up to $75 in PC optimum points visit Superstore.ca to get started. I'm Sean Fennessy. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about summer blockbusters. CR is here. We're drafting again. Hello, Chris. Hi, man. How are you?

I'm doing well. I am thinking a lot about Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon, who are both vacated from their positions as anchors on cable news networks this morning. Because there's job openings now? Yeah. How do you think I would do in Tucker's seat? In Tucker's seat? Yeah. I think you'd have a limited appeal. Do you think Amanda may be better for Tucker? I'm more of a Don. Wow. Okay. What did you think of the big, what'd you think of the big news this morning? This is your audition for JMO part two. I was going to say, I think this is like big news for the extended JMO universe. You guys really want to level up.

You're going to keep JMO central. You guys and Bobby. Yep. Me weighing in from time to time on Kamala Harris and other pressing women's issues. And then. Women's correspondent. And then you guys bring in Tucker, you know, because it's not about morals. It's not about ethics. It's just reaching as much of an audience as possible. So I'm excited for your possibility. I thought that's where you were going. I was like, wow, the, you know.

Is there any line we won't cross? Exactly. I like to get burned by the candle just so I know what pain is. And I... Let's come back to it. Let's come back to what... Do you think Tucker doing a movie draft would be like the most popular episode we ever did?

My line is, I won't appear. I won't interact with him. But you guys just have to... You'll fund it or license it. And keep it to the side. Yeah, there you go. No, that's not, no.

There you go. The movie drafts are the three of us and then sometimes other people. That is the formulation that we have settled on. And so, okay, Tucker and Brett Baer. Yeah. Great. And CR and Amanda. Yeah.

Great. And Bobby is producing. I'm actually on vacation now. I wanted to and Amanda. Yeah. Great. And Bobby is producing. I'm actually on vacation that week. I wanted to do a fun draft this week. Yeah. I wanted to do a light one, a kind of silly one. I was having a hard time figuring out what to do next. And then I got a look at the movie Ghosted, which is a new film on Apple TV Plus starring Chris Evans and Ana de Armas.

Which was released on Friday to the public at large. And this film is quite poor. Very bad at being a film. They're taking this movie out behind the woodshed. This shit got turned into glue so fast. It is kind of staggering how not competent it is given the talent that has been gathered for this movie. But it had me thinking about kind of, you know, we used to be a country, right?

We used to be a proper country where every summer you would get a movie like this. A kind of like action comedy with big movie stars that had kind of a reason to show up in theaters to see it. But also was easy to, you know, was, goes down easy and was easy to watch at home. And, you know, Ghosted is like, it's just like the dog baby of, of streaming movies. Like, it's just really just a damn shame, like where we are with this stuff. And I'm glad that a lot of movies are going back into movie theaters and the business is kind of booming again in that way. But this feels like the last remnant of a dark, dark three years that we had there. You watched the film. What were your takeaways? I did. I watched it at 10 p.m. after the rest of

my household was asleep. I'm going to be honest, at some point I started fast-forwarding through the action sequences because the very small little preview that you get when you hit fast-forward was enough. It tells you enough. I experienced the various fake locations and people twirling around and not looking like they're in the same room. So I really just decided to watch the interstitials of Ana de Armas and Chris Evans trying to build some sort of chemistry. And I have to tell you, they did not succeed. They just had chemistry in Knives Out. What happened here? I don't know.

It's very, very confusing. I also, I was thinking about, I think there is a world where this is, like the premise is not the stupidest thing. No, it's very common. That I've ever heard. I mean, it's like very silly, right? It's very common.

One's a spy, one doesn't know, one's a regular person. Yeah, it's like Mr. and Mrs. Smith. They get into hijinks. And then, and you can kind of see the ways in which it gets away from them including inserting

like an ad for Apple tags into the first 20 minutes of the movie on his asthma inhaler so here's what happened you hit me up you hit us up

and was just like I saw Ghosted we should talk about it tomorrow so I 3-3-Hannah Sunday come on my guy give me 24 hours tangentially aware look at you both did it that's how much I

care about you you did it somewhat aware of what's going on with Ghosted but had not watched the trailer and I thought that this was a movie about a guy who goes on a date with a woman and she ghosts him because she's a ghost. Yeah. Great premise for our first JMO feature film production. Yeah. Which is called Ghost.

Is there other movies with that title? So I was a little bit surprised by the espionage thing and I just wanted to flag this. One is

this is like worse than Gray Man if that is possible. There's so much machine gun fire in this movie and there's not a single drop of blood.

Second of all, we need to have a serious conversation about the pernicious impact of the Rick and Morty writer's room on movies and these guys all writing these movies and just being like, bit, bit, bit, joke, one liner, ha ha ha, nothing. Wait, it's really serious. It's really emotional. No,

it's not. Just kidding. And it's just like, there's like nothing real about any of these movies. There's really emotional. No, it's not. Just kidding. And it's just like, there's like nothing real about any of these movies. There's nothing human about any of these movies. There are not one, not two, not three, not four, but five callbacks to various MCU moments in this film, which is not produced by Disney. It's a depressing movie. And I really like Chris Evans. And I really liked Ana de Armas until she went on perhaps the biggest cold streak in years. Can we have some accountability, though? Like, I like him, too, but make a good fucking movie.

I agree. I mean, once upon a time, this was a guy who was in Snowpiercer, so I know that he knows what's good. He knows to take on... Remember when Robert Redford was like, I will produce and be in the most excellent shit for, like, 20 years?

Well, not according to Bill Simmons. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? And then these guys are like, ah, just whatever you guys deal up, Lego guy. You know, like just send me some good, good and well honors. It's a little bit of end of days. You know, Amanda and I are going to do 35 over 35 next month, which we haven't done in a couple of years.

I misread the spreadsheet. We already did under. We did under last year. And you know. I know, but we update it every six months. Do we? We don't. We don't.

It's literally every two years. Is it? Yeah. Oh, okay. That's just how time has been moving for us, which is very fast and very slow at the same time. Anyway, well, you know, there was this big report that came out over the weekend, a survey about who are the most recognized movie stars. That Ruben Gallego can't beat Kristen Sinema. Oh, sorry.

No. Yeah. Wrong pod. And I thought that was interesting. We'll probably use that as a contextual point when we talk about who the big movie stars are. But, you know, Evans and soon on Adarmus are going to be kind of over that threshold.

They've been with us for a while. Chris Evans has been around for almost 20 years as a movie star. He seems like a good dude. He does. I just... And maybe he's just like... Maybe in the room when they're talking about these things,

it's just like the best of intentions. But it kind of seems to me like maybe it's just like, do you really want to make good movies or do you just like kind of the lifestyle of what comes along with it? Well, the thing that is so weird about it is he already was Lucas Lee in Scott Pilgrim parodying this exact kind of actor.

So he did a joke about being this kind of movie star 12 years ago in a movie and now is actually making those movies. So it's just, it's very strange. I find him incredibly charming. AKA hot. And charming. Okay. Okay, he has a presence. I mean, yeah, he's really hot.K.A. hot. And charming. Okay.

Okay? He has a presence. I mean, yeah, he's really hot. I don't know what to tell you. They built a whole little, you know, Captain America's ass joke around it. Very hot, but also, like, funny, affable, you know, like the really hot guy in high school or college that wasn't mean also. Yeah. The nice quarterback. The nice quarterback.

The nice quarterback. Exactly. So I enjoy him in films. I think that he is maybe reaching the limits of his abilities and then trying things past his abilities.

You know, like some of my problem with this performance, I'm like, well, respectfully, anyone who is Chris Evans is not going to be single or a farmer who doesn't know how to text message, you know, and like, and keeps like, definitely needs the inhaler and has to go to London and all these sorts of things. I'm just like, this is not believable. This person has more swagger. He's fighting against swagger.

Seems like a script from 1997 that they were like, let's just like, refresh this with a bunch of emoji jokes right and then and make it right and i know that i think in their minds like they were trying to make romancing the stone or true lies or mr and mrs smith right but but it's just like when when they are in london and then they're in pakistan like they have like this Russo brain thing of- That was the most disorienting fast forward because at some point, like I watched him in London and he goes into the vault under Tower Bridge.

That's when I texted you guys being like, great London travel tips in Ghosted. And then he's like in the lair. Adrian Brody isn't there yet, but- It's Tim Blake Nelson. It's like, there's a whole Blake Nelson it's like there's a whole movie where it's like they're in

Vermont or wherever the fuck they are or DC Maryland and then they're like Tim Blake Nelson's gonna be the bad guy and you're like

alright and he just gets shot in the head so they're in the lair for a while and I fast forwarded and I thought okay this is the

end of the lair scene but apparently it was a different lair scene because they walk out of the lair into the Khyber Pass and I was like I have some questions about what i fast-forwarded through but i also took that don't care in tunnel yeah gotham to afghanistan it it's it was a depressing

affair and um i want great things for those guys it was just five years ago i was uh i was in a theater on broadway and i saw chris evans in kenneth lonergan's lobby hero and i was like this is awesome this is what he's gonna do to do with his post-MCU. He was really going to make a run at this. And he's not. He's doing this stuff. You know what? Money is money.

I get it. Speaking of money, 90s movies draft. Have I complimented you lately? Just your segues? And just you bringing it back to theme, to the headline. It's really beautiful. This is why I'm up for Tucker's job. Just throwing from segment to segment.

That's what everybody goes to Tucker for is the segues. Yeah, you know, I've been podcasting for eight years. I just want to say in the last couple months, it's just, it's looking effortless, you know? Thank you. And you can't see the sweat as you really navigate from.

You know who my role model is. I know. He's sitting right here with us. Yeah, but I sweat while I'm doing it. Yeah, he does. Which is actually what I like about it. It's a little endearing. It's like, oh shit, now we got to get back to the other thing.

I'm like Black Thought in the ninth minute of a freestyle when I'm doing segues. And you're just like. That's funny. You're full NPR. You do also know that it just makes me want to throw you off the script more and more. And you do, trust me. The 90s, though,

they were a time when even if the movies sucked, you felt excited to go. This is the best list of movies that we've ever drafted from. So the parameters are pretty narrow and yet wide. The parameters that we carved out for this are the film needed to have been released between May 1st and September 1st at any year in the 1990s. And the threshold is, you know, usually we draft blockbusters as a category and $100 million

is our threshold. Now, $100 million, if you were an entertainment weekly reader like i was in the 1990s that was the sign that you had hit the big time that has changed obviously a lot these days you know i think that the super mario brothers movie has made like 800 million dollars in three weeks which is staggering chris you seen it you waiting to watch at home so you can play along yeah that's great future watch-along candidate super mario brothers um 100 million dollars meant you did it now some there occasionally there were movies like west world excuse me not west world water world that were like budgeted at 100 million dollars and everybody's like whoa kevin costa settle down 100 million dollars did you sink the titanic sir meanwhile ghost it definitely cost 200 million um when i say 90s blockbuster chris uh-huh what do you think of what does it conjure for you

all consuming events music videos entertainment tonight mtv news like anticipation countdowns to opening day and then the idea that basically like these movies would be the backbone of a summer so you would go see them two three five times in the summer and a lot of the technological and i guess i guess there was a lot of innovation because when i think back on a lot of these there would often be times where you would go to one of these movies and you'd be like i've never seen that before. Never seen a dinosaur. Never seen a guy be liquid. And it's pretty cool.

It was like a very... I mean, I know that we're probably sentimentally leaning towards this era anyway, and you're always going to fall in love with the era that you came of age. You're always going to champion that. But this was... I think with a lot of the stuff that you guys have been kind of grappling with over the last year or two, maybe more,

is the falling away from the sort of centrality of movies. Like the idea that movies are the monoculture, the idea that this is something that everybody participates in and then talks about. And I have that same issue with some of the TV stuff. And this was really the peak of it. This was really like, find me the person who wasn't like, I went and saw Jurassic Park as soon as I possibly could, as many times as I possibly could. It just was universal. Amanda, what about for you? Phipps Plaza, 3 p.m. on a Wednesday afternoon.

I'm out of summer camp. My parents- Sleep away or day? I was a big day camper. I did a couple sleep away camps. Believe it or not, that level of other people telling me what to do with every minute of my day didn't sit well.

Sharing space. I fucking hated adhering to a schedule. Yeah, and also participating in activities. Very joiner vibe, you know? Lots of singing, you know? And then just being like, you can only have one candy bar from, you know, lots of singing, you know, and then just being like, you can only have one candy bar

from, you know, the rest, like, excuse me. I would pay American currency for a video of you at like 11 in brat mode

at a sleepaway camp. That would, that's, that would be good content. You know what I did is I just would like, would try to sit in my bunk and read the whole time

because that was like the only way that these like that these people and their arbitrary rules and definitions of what was fun couldn't get me. I just, it's just not. So you had day camp, so you could go after day camp. Exactly, yeah.

And it was like, my parents were working, so. I'm just imagining the Tucker bit about this, where it's just like, they're telling her what to do. Why are they doing that? They're saying she needs to go to archery I was so bad at archery too that was this woman going to be an archer is this a world where Sean and Tucker just swap places and Tucker now just hosts the big picture with Amanda Sean thinks the opening is for him you know at the 8 p.m hour but really Tucker is now available to take his job they won't let her go to Jurassic Park why

who makes these decisions why won't they tell us he might have to come on the show I might have to leave and he's coming in for you the velociraptor has a brother who decided that I might have to leave and he's coming in for you. The Velociraptor has a brother. Who decided that. How do I steer the ship back on?

Are you sure you want to? Getting so close to just making that show. I can't believe it. Okay, so day camp and then child care in the form of the local movie theater. Would you go by yourself? No, I think, well, I couldn't get there because I don't, could I drive in the nineties? No, I could not drive in the nineties. So that was tough. Jesus Christ. What are you talking about? I was just doing some math. I don't know when that, yeah. 2000 is when the license finally came. So no, I had to be some math. I don't know when that, yeah, 2000 is when the license finally came. So no, I had to be dropped off. So I think it was sort of, you know, like

parents would take turns dropping a group of us off at the mall. Did you do the drop me off a little bit farther away so I could walk up and not have to be seen like getting dropped off by a parent? Great question. I used to do that. Yeah. I don't think I was old enough for that in the 90s. Dad, drop me here. Yeah. I don't know. I think that... So I could walk up 17th Street like I was fucking John Travolta. Just pointing at people in Philly, yeah. I was more concerned of like, are you getting me as close to the Bath and Body Works as possible?

Right. Which was at Lenox, which also had a movie theater, but it was not as large of a movie theater. Lenox Mall and Phipps Mall Plaza in Atlanta are like catty corner from each other. It's good use of real estate. Anyway, and I have vivid memories of, you know, seeing all of these movies because they were the center of the culture but also because i was 12 and 13 and 14 and there was air conditioning in the summer you know at the mall and that was just where we spent our time yeah that's what i was gonna say is this runs the the uh stretch from 8 to 17 years old for me and so that of course is a significant time in any young man's life and i learned a lot

i saw a lot of different kinds of movies, you know, from The Lion King all the way through The Sixth Sense. Yeah, a huge spectrum of films. There is certainly a spectrum of experience there. Can I say something, though, about that? Do you think that the movies, the blockbuster movies, were just like a little bit more dangerous

and a little bit more provocative back then? Because I remember, you know, some of the action films, but even some of the dramas, like, you know like yeah you can come you know pg-13 whatever like let's massage this a little bit i remember them being in some ways my introduction to a lot of these like ideas and themes of the world yeah you know and i don't know that necessarily that happens for teens anymore with the movies like do people go to the movies and then like get kind of like oh i didn't know like i guess maybe if you're a kid you go see john wick you're like holy shit but i mean they have euphoria so i'm not sure that

you know uh in addition to that obviously like i think the internet kind of shattered that convention of like there is an illicit thing that you have to pay nine dollars to enter a building to sit in front of a screen and there you might learn about human sexuality right which is like you are completely unexposed to when you're 11 living in your parents house right so i think a lot of us were trained in that way i feel like if you just have a smartphone yeah a lot of questions get answered a lot more quickly i mean bobby i'm sure even for you questions were answered a lot more quickly and not necessarily at the movies bobby how did you learn about sex yes please tell us from the film ghosted yeah exactly i just learned about it a couple days ago um yeah no the internet for sure yeah yeah we uh that wasn't the case for us um

chris watched scrambled pornography every night for 10 years. You know what scene total recall did to my idea of how many breasts a woman might have? Unbelievable. And you still think three, right? I'm still waiting for that special someone to come along.

Some of these movies were very, very violent. We did a pod about Die Hard 2 a couple of years back. And Die Hard 2 is very violent. We did a pod about Die Hard 2 a couple of years back. And Die Hard 2 is fucking violent. And a plane blows up on screen and it seems real. So to see a movie like that in theaters, and I don't think I did see that movie in theaters,

but I'm sure I saw it within a year or two of it being released. That's a lot for a 10-year-old. Changes your relationship to air travel. Absolutely. Well, among other things. Yeah. Actually,

you know, it is an example of the sexuality thing is Batman returns. That's a movie where if you see Michelle Pfeiffer in Batman returns and you're 11, 12 years old, you're like, what the fuck is going on here? And then,

you know, Chris 20 years later has a BDSM sex dungeon. It's like, these are inspiring films that we're talking about here today. So I, I have very similar experiences to you guys. Sometimes I went by myself. sex dungeon. It's like, these are inspiring films that we're talking about here today. So, I have very similar experiences to you guys. Sometimes I went by myself. There was a single

standalone movie theater that was at walking distance to my house, the Walt Whitman Theater. And they did show largely kind of mainstream studio blockbusters. Was everything in your town

named after Walt Whitman? It was, I'm born in his birthplace. So, the Walt Whitman Mall, which is at the Walt Whitman Movie Theater. I went to Walt Whitman High School. I I'm born in his birthplace. So, the Walt Whitman Mall, which is at the Walt Whitman Movie Theater. I went to Walt Whitman High School.

I think that was pretty much it. Okay. Walt Whitman Road, actually, was where the mall was on. I mean, you know, he's an important American man.

Absolutely. He just, he did a lot for, for what? For ideas of leadership and love and nature and man's complicated relationship to man.

I, you know wonderful artist I wasn't criticizing Walt Whitman who's wonderful so you hate Walt Whitman is that what you said

did you guys know that at one point in the Netflix romantic comedy Your Place or Mine Reese Witherspoon quotes Walt Whitman to Ashton Kutcher

as she's talking about she's quoting Walt Whitman writing about the Brooklyn Bridge and then she's in front of the Manhattan Bridge. That is actually one of the only funny jokes in the movie.

But I don't think it's the real... It definitely was not the real Brooklyn Bridge in that movie. It was CGI'd. You more of a Manhattan Bridge or Brooklyn Bridge guy? I always found that the Brooklyn Bridge was really a lot of traffic to get across. So I was always... Manhattan was like the like let's get across this thing.

I feel like Manhattan is like still undiscovered the Manhattan Bridge. I mean well the subway going across the Manhattan like the B

D and like yeah views unmatched. You also on the Manhattan Bridge get the best view of the Brooklyn Bridge and then you know the Statue of Liberty

and everything. That's where you can see all the bridges. Bain blows up. Yeah. This is why people come to this pod is for three people who haven't lived in New York for five to 12 years

talk about bridges and subways. I want to put on record that I'm team Brooklyn Bridge. Still. Okay. I'm a classic. I live very close to it. I don't know. We'll alert the government.

Thanks for letting us know. It's going in your permanent record. You started it. Bob, which bridge bridge you like verazano i think i think i love the verazano verazano's dope you know they um they misspell the verazano and like half the signs it's like one z versus two z's what is the truth um that'd be a jmo topic for me personally this week yeah um i like the brooklyn bridge better but I more frequently travel to Manhattan Bridge because of the subway line over top of it. Do you want to draft?

Sure. Is there anything you want to get out of your heart about the 90s? Do you want to do a little bit of like, what were some of the permutations of this draft that we probably, that wouldn't have worked? Well, you suggested the potential of drafting, say, out of months. Like we could have said May, June, July, August, September. That would have been one approach for categories. I thought we would keep it simple, but also there are some unusual

parameters, like tightness of the parameters if we just stick to classical genre categories. So by removing Blockbuster, we've got to add one more. What I went with was action, comedy, drama, sequel, Oscar nominee, and wildcard for our categories. Was there anything that we could have done or that we should try in the future? I almost texted you guys suggesting that we do more topic-oriented categories like aliens, love. Transportation.

You know, animation also could have been on the board. I thought about it. Which would have been funny. Sexual awakenings. Yeah. Let's save it for just your opinion um but then that seemed like it would be tight in a different way and that then we would exclude some movies let's do that for the next one i like that idea okay that's a good idea all right um and what else anything else you thought we could

we should have tried no but i mean i i feel're... I thought you thought we were doing it by month, right? Yeah, I was like, do you want to do it where you're basically... What we're asking people to vote on is who built the ultimate summer. You loved a program. Yeah, I have a taste for it. I think the month that a movie is released is meaningful, though. It's still meaningful to this day. One thing that has happened is the calendar keeps getting pushed back further and further.

So, you know, like May 2nd, we're getting Guardians of the Galaxy 3. I would say that is, you know, probably one of the two or three most anticipated movies of the year, but Super Mario already came out and already did what a summer blockbuster does. And they just did it over spring break. So the idea that like a May movie is different from an August movie, I think is certainly true, but I was surprised to see how many of the movies that did quite a good amount of business were released in August out of this list. 65, excuse me, 66 films ultimately qualified for this list, which is significantly fewer than the pool that we usually draft from. But we're only drafting 18 movies total.

So we're going to have strong lineups. Hey, did you see the absolute sickos came out for Evil Dead Rise? Yeah, it was nice. I'm really pleased. I just think our culture is in a really good place because all we want is video games, movies about video games, TV shows about video games, and guys getting their throats ripped

out by deadites. We live in succession. We live in an amazing time. I'm just very pleased. Tucker's out. Thank God. Everything's coming up us. We lived in an amazing time. I'm just very pleased. Tucker's out. Thank God. Everything's coming up us. Yeah. We did it.

And DeSantis is going to be the president. Yeah. And we're getting thrown in wood chippers. You know, I was with a Florida citizen this weekend,

an old friend of mine. Like an old person who's from Florida? Yeah, I was with a geriatric man who was sitting on my deck together. And no, it's the guy I went to college with.

And we were chatting. And he moved to Florida about eight, nine years ago. And he brought his cousin over. His cousin is a guy I know pretty well. And I'll just say his cousin and I are kind of a similar persuasion, I guess, socially, intellectually about the world. And my friend is maybe a little different from me.

And his cousin was like, you remember when this guy was fucking defending DeSantis through COVID? What a fucking moron. And my friend had to acknowledge that DeSantis is doing some clown shit right now.

Let's draft. Okay. Bobby, we need to find a draft order. Oh, the hat is back. That's right. Did you buy more Scrabble tiles? I did locate more Scrabble tiles I did locate more

Scrabble tiles but I'll have to find them Chris you're going first oh interesting interesting do you feel you have a sound like a

I don't know if I have a strategy no I don't really either it's really just category yeah and then there's things that I there are a few things

where I bet are very high on one person's list or not even on the other person's list yeah I'm sure that's true. Amanda, you're selecting second.

Interesting. This is intriguing. So the category that I found to be the weakest, personally, was drama. Okay. No, I disagree. There are obviously some great dramas here, but relative to how long a list I could make,

there were not very many. And I think one of the maneuvers that one has to make is where to put the films, as you said, Chris, which categories, and should you try to shank your opponent by putting one film in one category

and then weakening that other category. See, you're already starting the negativity. And I thought that this was going to be a goodwill draft. Well, it's interesting because it's going to be super easy for each of us to get a good movie in each one of these categories.

There's way more than 18 good movies or whatever, right? Absolutely. But where these things go, we're going to have somebody be like, oh, I got that, you know? So I'm going to start us off and I'm going to take perhaps the ultimate summer movie of my youth,

which was Terminator 2, and I'm going to put it in sequel. Okay. I think that was the move. That is the best pick. That is actually what I was going to do it to, because sequel is pretty thin. Sequels,

we're still making shit in this decade. You know what I mean? There are some good sequels, but there are few that are as powerful as T2. It's a great pick. Yeah, thank you. And this also speaks to the Guns N' Roses build-up to this

and it being basically on MTV all the time. Schwarzenegger at his sort of peak of omnipotence. You just could not escape that vision of him in a leather jacket

and sunglasses. And yeah, this movie rocked. I think you're right to point out the surrounding culture of Terminator 2, which didn't feel forced upon me at whatever it was, 11 years old. You willingly watched MTV 12 hours a day.

Yeah, and I was like, you could be mine. This actually is the perfect anthem for this movie. And you can be incepted into thinking that these kind of like crossovers or convergences. Is there any product placement in T2? I know obviously there's a kind of anti-corporate bent to all of Cameron's films, but I feel like there was some,

like a handful of significant. Well, there's the stuff in the mall, I think. Does he play like a video game? Is Furlong playing in the mall? I don't, I'm not sure. Donkey Kong? Well, we'll have to go back and review it. Let's do a T2 watch along just for product placement.

Okay, that sounds good. You love product placement. I do. That's my favorite. You always clock it. That's true. That's because my brain is entirely messed up by the last 30 years. That's right.

You just like immediately leaped on the air tags. That's right. Well, they definitely showed a lot of them. I was also aware of the fact that I was watching this on Apple. Isn't there a part in Ghosted where he's like,

maybe her phone doesn't work? And they're like, it can't be that. Right, yeah. It can't be that the phone is all defective. It's not even the phone. It's about an

international calling plan. Okay. Yeah. CR gets T2. It's Amanda's turn. In action, I will take Jurassic Park. They made dinosaurs this is

this comes up in every draft where it's eligible where like this is this is it this for me is still number one Spielberg because of the age

that I was and because of what Chris said I just went to the movies and then they put dinosaurs on the movies it's incredible still the funniest thing

is that the faces of the people in the movie were the same as the faces of the people watching the movie when they see the dinosaurs it was just like it actually was that impressive it was like the way that they reacted i was like yep yep i'm reacted to that did we talk about the movie jurassic punk do you know about this film i do not you know about this uh jurassic punk is. Do you know about this? Uh-uh. Jurassic Punk is a documentary that came out last year that I would recommend to you both. It's about a guy named Steve Williams,

who was a VFX artist who worked on Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park. He was a real kind of rebel anti-hero figure. Is he from the ILM part? He worked with ILM. And is this where he did the computer stuff and is this where like he did the computer stuff and then they were like

oh it's it's over now we have to make this kind of move we have to do CGI now and he was kind of a person who was thrashing against the old guard

you know the sort of like the not just Phil Tippett but like some of the leadership at ILM over time and he was saying like

this is the way forward on this and he got he convinced them to do a lot of things that he had helped create along with a couple of his colleagues but he really did not play nice and it's funny that these are

the first two films that are picked because these are the two major breakthroughs along with The Abyss that he worked on and you know he eventually he directed an animated movie a few years later but like he really hasn't been heard from

he's more or less out of the business and it's a really interesting portrait of how sometimes one or two people can come along who can change things radically. And he is credited with conceptualizing a lot of that majesty in Jurassic Park that you're talking about. But he was hard to work with.

And it seemed like maybe he had a drinking problem. And he's just kind of gone from the business. And it's really interesting when someone like that who is behind the scenes who's not an actor who's not a writer or director who contributes so much can be removed now the film is subjective maybe his contributions were not as meaningful as it sounds but i love that idea of someone coming along smashing the glass ceiling and then losing the hammer you know what i mean like he's just gone and it's it's a really interesting documentary worth checking out regardless of whether it's fully factual about

what contributions he made um i have two picks now i'm a little stumped now i i there are so many movies that i love in action from this time do you think this is the pinnacle of action cinema yeah this is like the gloss and the scope of the 80s, but with like a little bit of humor and self-awareness. And they also changed who could be an action star in the 90s. I felt like there also was this total command of practical filmmaking that arrives at this time, like in the mid to late 90s, that we've lost and have not really seen anything like it

since i'm gonna go in action i'm gonna take speed which is great movie i to me for me when i think of summer blockbuster i think the quintessential summer blockbuster yeah um it is not the best movie that i'll draft it's not the best movie on the board it's probably not even the best movie that I'll draft. It's not the best movie on the board. It's probably not even the best movie from that year. But see the commercial, understand the premise in 10 seconds because someone literally explains the premise in the commercial and just wanting to be inside of the movie immediately. That desperation to feel what the piece of advertising is telling me is I think the essence of the summer blockbuster,

like that is something that Hollywood completely figured out. Now everything being pre-branded, everything being about like interconnectivity between stories, anticipating the connection to the connection or watch the stinger and all that. Speed is like pure original idea,

not rocket science, not a super sophisticated movie, but also a movie that is like yeah we also we cast Jeff Daniels and Dennis Hopper too the Dennis Hopper like putting Dennis Hopper

as the villain like this is also the era of like Alan Rickman as a villain Anthony Hopkins as a villain like Dennis Hop like that's the secret sauce is to find somebody

way over qualified to just ham it up so I'll go speed and action and then I'm gonna take an Oscar nominee Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven.

Okay. Classic summer movie. Which is not a summer blockbuster but it did just take speed but it was released in August which I think speaks

quite a bit to the underdog nature of Unforgiven because at this time some people thought maybe Clint was through

which is really funny to think about since this is 31 years ago that this movie was released 32 years ago and Clint is not through in fact he's making

another film called Juror No. 2 have you guys heard about this? yes Zaz dropped the bag they've did they give him his office back?

I can neither confirm nor deny I have had some communication with some folks that are behind the scenes on this one okay apparently the script has been kicking around for a very long time it's a really strange last movie confirm nor deny. I have had some communication with some folks that are behind the scenes on this one. Okay.

Apparently this script has been kicking around for a very long time. It's a really strange last movie. Really weird because it feels like a very conventional legal thriller programmer.

Who's in it? I think it's Nicholas Holt is playing juror number two and the premise of the movie is effectively that there is a guy who's been selected for jury duty

and he may or may not have committed the crime. Which is a good idea. It's been selected for jury duty and he may or may not have committed the crime which is a good idea it's a great movie which feels like a movie that could have come out in the 90s I don't know why

you're throwing skepticism I'm not throwing any skepticism except I did see Crime Macho it's the film I watched sure I do too

I've seen how old is he 93 92 92 that is unreal yeah Nicholas Holt

and Tony Collette I mean that's good pedigree and Clint one take Clint he's getting through the day done before lunch Clint he's gotta get home

you know eat his oatmeal you know stay regular God bless him I'm I'm fucking fired up juror number two solo pod why didn't you respond to my

like legal dramas draft idea you just went you didn't even acknowledge it that's a good one for all times yeah like in the history of movies yeah we could do that okay fine you're the one who just drafted you pegged to juror number two? That would be good. Sure, that would be great. Let's do it. Okay. I mean, I think he just finished shooting it today. Of course he did. So they stood it up like a week ago

and it's going to be done. It's going to come out this year. Great. You were looking for ideas and I'm giving you ideas and then you're just kind of nodding your head. How do you feel about Clint's deeply problematic personal life?

I don't know. Do I have to have an opinion about it? It's kind of where I am on it. CR co-signed it. He said to me he believes everything he did was above board, which I thought was a strong take,

but I believe in Chris. Okay. I've taken two films. I've taken Speed and Unforgiven. Okay. You're up, Amanda. I think Unforgiven was kind of a weird choice

at number two for you, but okay. Could be. Could be. Could be. Oscar nominee, you know, slightly funky category. I think I'm just going to go with My Heart. Good. Which I, there are a couple, there are many films here that you and I share.

Sure. And I want you to know right now, if you take one that I'm not drafting now, I won't be mad. So, okay. No, I won't actually, because I'm okay. No, I won't actually because I'm making the decision because here's the thing. I could take something else, but I have to be true to 11-year-old Amanda

in the movie theater five times in a row. The mask? Are you taking the mask? Yeah, do you know? So in drama, I will be taking Apollo 13. That's fantastic stuff for you.

Yeah. This is, I have told this story many times. I went, I visited Cape Canaveral after this to try to get to go to space camp. It didn't work out for me. I loved this movie. I think that this, this to me is maybe the quintessential Tom Hanks role,

which is maybe just a product of me having seen this movie 45,000 times. But when you and Bill had your skirmish on the rewatchables. Skirmish? Yeah, about Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks. You make it sound like we mixed it up after a Nick Celtics playoff game.

Or like it was two cats, kind of like tufts of hair. I think that you both said some things to each other and about two of our great movie stars that maybe you would like

to re-examine in a calmer setting Bill and I trust each other we have many many years of trust between us well I noted that Bill

just skipped right over Apollo 13 because he doesn't care about this movie but it's like right in the run of Tom Hanks. This is your chance. You demand the Rewatchables episode.

Do it. I demanded it to him the last time I was on Rewatchables. Oh, you did? I did. Oh, you did on Sleep With Cincy Adam. Yeah, I had some questions about the Kid Cudi thing and I demanded Apollo 13. I use my opportunities when I'm with Bill. But what about the fact that poverty in our country grew radically because we spent so

much money on NASA? Have you have you reckoned with that? What's going on? Tucker, I'm auditioning. I know. You know, you can't put a price on exploration. So you want to cancel Clint and NASA? No, at least NASA did it.

Now we're just having the private people fuck it up. Chris, do you believe that we went to the moon? Yes. You do? Yes. Sean, where are you? I love Stanley Kubrick's work. Okay.

I don't think going to the moon is that remarkable anymore. Wow. No, I mean, it's one of those things. Big talk from the podcaster. No, it's one of those things. They literally from the podcaster. No, it's one of those things. They literally just built a fucking tin can and put humans in it.

That was amazing in the 60s. I'm just saying, it's funny how people are like, they didn't do that shit. Get a rocket off the launch pad. Come on.

It's amazing. That guy, he's too busy giving people blue checks that he's paying for out of pocket. Well, I'm just saying. How is the Twitter blue experience going for you, Amanda?

Have you enjoyed the ability to edit your tweets? If I were just paying it and like tweeting about how much I spend on toilet paper or whatever the hell was happening. I took the app off my phone because I don't remember. Because it was taking up too much space, you know? You're definitely not ghosted. Space is a real pre... I can't get rid of the photos of my kid, you know, and all the videos... You're definitely not ghosted. Space is a real... I can't get rid of the photos of my kid, you know, and all the videos.

You're in the cloud, though. I'm not in the cloud. I don't trust iCloud. Incredible revelation. Wow. You know that... Just all local storage. All you're doing is limiting your ability

to document your child's life. No, I'm documenting it. And then I... But I do have to back it up. But I'm backing it up locally. I don't. Oh, so you do it on external hard drives? Yeah.

You're doing something that I used to do with Napster in 2001. I just want you to know that. I don't think that everyone needs to have all of my information and access to everything. So I don't do iCloud. They do already. I know that. To be fair, Sean, you have like 8,000 blu-rays it's a physical media backing up locally like it's not that's not that different he's just prepared and that's but that's the thing is in the event that the world

is shattered i will be able to watch movies i guess i mean i can look at photos is that really the same yeah i'll have hard drives Yeah, anyway I That's why I just put every photo I have in the house on a mug I was forced I was honestly forced to update my phone By certain corporate overlords And there was not enough room

So I had to take Twitter off my phone The app Because it takes up a lot of documents and data What is this relevant to? And so then You asked me how my Twitter blue experience was going. And I'm answering the question. So when you tweet now,

it's tweeting from the web browser. It's from the web browser. Do you have the Twitter app on your desktop? No. On your computer? I still... So you are only tweeting during working hours. No, I'm web browser.

Yeah. That's one of the reasons that I'm doing it. Also, it's way better for my health. But I'm on Instagram full time, just buying shit left and right. Do you feel you'll be able to retain your clout with the loss of a blue checkmark? I think it's going to be enhanced, you know? Do you think you'll ever be asked in a job interview, how many Twitter followers do you have? I don't know.

How many more job interviews are you going to have? That's what I was thinking. I was like, I don't know. How many more job interviews are we going to have? That's what I was thinking. I was like, I don't know. If we go independent and you're CEO of JMO, are you going to be asking us when we're applying for our positions how many Twitter followers we have? When we were negotiating to be acquired by Spotify, I sat with Daniel Ek one-on-one and he said,

Sean, how many Twitter followers do you have? And I told him the number. I would toot toot the number. Do you know what he said? He said, those are rookie numbers. How many followers do you have, Sean, right now without looking? I don't know. Are you lying?

I genuinely don't know. Definitely over 130. Okay. Thousand. Yeah, we're just doing succession speak. I have between 12 and 18 followers. No, 135. Okay. 135.

I just wondered if you, I think you secretly know. At least like. To the number? How would I know that? I think you know to the thousand. What do I have? Tell me. 135.5.

I just looked it up. Okay. Congratulations. How's that feel? I mean, I'm on Twitter. Yeah. I got no shame about it you tweet i'd love to tweet yeah well i actually don't love to tweet but i do like to see what's going on

in the world uh-huh chris got you cooked still though 160 and he's not even on wow got me cooked yeah he didn't like that did you 25 000 behind uh congratulations to Chris. Yeah, thanks. You tweet. All the time. Just not under that account. Did you have a blue check funeral? You may know my work as cat turd. I've enjoyed your at Jason tweets. That account's been going really well too.

What's a better film? Apollo 13 or God, Chazelle's First Man? Answer the question. It's Apollo 13. Do you think Damien Chazelle would say it's Apollo 13?

I think he would dodge the shit out of that question. I think he would dodge it so hard. You think he would just dodge? Yeah, I think he would just be like, they're all great craftsmen. Chazelle at heart, despite the cynicism and...

An entertainer. No, he is really... I mean, he is an entertainer. I just noted with interest that Apollo 13 was not in that montage at the end of Batboy. Yeah. Just saying it did not go...

Are you doing Tucker right now? That was like Tucker without the Tucker voice. Didn't escape my attention. That's all I'm saying. No, what I was going to say is Giselle is really sincere. He's earnest.

He's sentimental, which I think is the best or one of the best things about his filmmaking. Like I am as well. So I think that Apollo 13 would speak to us. You guys are very similar.

A cold exterior but a warm, soft center. So I want to ask you guys a Ron Howard question. Are you aware of something that's been burbling in Cinephilia, which is the kind of reclamation of 13 lives? Did you guys see 13 lives? No, I didn't. But I am aware that that was like,

it was like true heads know that this is like Howard Hawks in his Twilight that is literally how it is being described as like a master craftsman working with great actors and a great story telling a story quite simply

I don't know if I even talked about 13 lives on the show but I the challenge for me with the film was that I saw

Jimmy Chin and Chai Vasarely's The Rescue which is like an incredible documentary and tells the entire story start to finish in a not dissimilar fashion. All right, I think it's your pick.

In Oscar nominee, I am going to take a film that I saw twice in two days when it came out in theaters because I loved it so much, and that is The Fugitive. Sick. Seven Oscar nominations. A movie that,

if I remember correctly, I was like, okay, it seems like it could be cool. I'm going to go check it out. And then everything about it is as good as it could possibly be. The acting, the editing,

the direction. It's just so fucking awesome. And that thrill of watching it and then just being like, you know what? The only thing I really want to do is watch The Fugitive again

is something that I treasure. I treasure that a lot. I've told you this before, but that's the one rewatchables I wish I was on. That's the one episode where I was like, God, and I think it was you

in Greenwald, right? It was. I re-listened to it, actually. I was taking my son on a walk and needed something and the watch hadn't updated yet so and yeah and the Bo is Afraid podcast wasn't out and I what did you do you had to go back so I had to go back and I listened to rewatchables but my favorite part of that was um they did recasting and do you I don't remember this story already Chris suggested Mark Ruffalo for Dr. Richard Kibble. I think that's great.

Dr. Richard Kibble. And then protested everyone else's selections for being too hot, as if Harrison Ford is not the hottest person. But in this movie, I think he's a plausible everyman, you know? But he's not an everyman. He's also a power corporate scientist, right? So he's- But he's not fucking Bo Jackson, you know what I mean? He's not, but he's Right? So he's, he's, he's, but he's not fucking Bo Jackson.

You know what I mean? Like he's not, but he's married to CeeLo Ward. I mean, she's like one of the most striking women of the 1990s. He's definitely meant to be Harrison Ford, but I know what you're saying because he, he goes so low.

Yeah. Not for long. That's true. Yeah. Harrison Ford. Great film. What a legend. That is a great film.

I say that because of course I had the same relationship to it that you just described, which is I saw it and I was like, I'd like to watch that right now. And I watched it over and over and over again on HBO. I don't know how much prep you guys did for this, but in addition to listening

to the Fugitive rewatchables, I was like, oh, should I rewatch a summer blockbuster? And then like two seconds later, I was just watching the Fugitive at like 4 p.m. I only rewatched one movie for this because I feel like I have

most of these movies at my fingertips. Me too. All right, Chris, you have one more pick. because I feel like I have most of these movies at my fingertips. Me too. Alright Chris you have one more pick. That was a very good pick. So now we get into the Amanda zone where I was going to pick a comedy. Don't do this twice.

Don't do it. Don't do it twice. I think what I'm actually going to do is be true to what my experience of the 90s was which was the most hysterical i and my theater goers have ever been god damn it chris and i'm gonna take there's something about mary which is just like pandemonium it was pandemonium it was pandemonium it was people throwing popcorn up in the air and crying with laughter and running out of the theater and people hyperventilating

people coming up to me with tears in their eyes and saying that woman had semen in her hair speaking of things that i didn't know about you know you know like ejaculate as hair product i did not know that when i saw that movie and then once you saw it you discovered whole world? That was how I styled my hair for the next 20 years. No. But you know what I mean? Like, that was the kind of shit

that was in comedies back then. What do we have now? Not like now. Because of cancel culture, right, Chris? They won't let you. Why won't they let artists express themselves freely about getting cum in your earlobe?

Why won't they? When will they let us do that? Who's stopping us? Why? Why? Do you feel silenced? No, do you? You do.

I can see you hold the reins real tight, you know? What do you mean? And that bull is bucking under you. And one day it's going to throw you, you know? You might be right. Yeah. You know me very well. There's something roiling inside.

And then you're going to be the warden of DeSantis' prison in Disney World. You're going to be fucking... Literally clutching the mic. There's something about Mary was, again, also an absolute phenomenon and a word of mouth movie. And a movie that people saw many times over. And an unusually massive comedy blockbuster. Like a true, like, oh, this didn't just make $100 million. Like, it infected the culture in a way.

Some of the humor, a little tricky. Circa 2023. What can you do? That does happen, obviously, with comedy. The Farrelly brothers have gone on to just make, like, drippy based on a true story dramedies lately, which is just a bummer. Very strange, yeah.

They did have quite a run there. The Dumb and Dumber or something about Mary Kingpin run is iconic. Really special. One of them just directed the pilot for Lucky Hank. Is that true? I haven't watched that series. How is that? It's really nice.

It's really well done. Is it? Yeah. Interesting. Any other TV recs you want to make? I know you don't have a pod where you can talk about that. I'm trying to wrap my mind around Mrs. Davis right now. Oh, I watched the first episode

of that one. That was interesting. I'm team Betty, though, so I ride with Betty no matter what. She's great. That was what I spent my weekend with, though,

the four episodes. Interesting. I don't want to ask me for TV recommendations. I was going to just pivot to the show that you were raving about this weekend. The Diplomat.

Yeah. Yeah, it's happening with all, you know, women approaching 40. That's where we are. We're watching. Do you think you'll watch Dead Ringers? So it's about childbirth.

On the one hand, like I appreciate the things made about that. On the other hand, I don't really feel the need to relive it at this moment. On the third hand, I love Rachel Weisz. And there on the fourth hand, there are two of her. So I'm really torn. Okay. Is it upsetting? I'm going to do a little bit of a scouting mission for you.

Yeah. Okay. I just, I don't need to watch a lot of stress around. I remember when I was championing This Is Going to Hurt, Ben Whishaw. Yeah, it was like a hard no. OBGYN drama. You wrote and directed that? Yeah.

With my deep understanding of childbirth. I haven't watched Dead Ringers yet. I am very much looking forward to it. We're, as usual, in a time where there are like nine or 12 shows. I'm like, I might watch that. And I don't know how you do it. They're doing it because it's the Emmys. And it's like, oh, but it'll... And it's not.

May is just as bad. There's like 10 shows coming on in May. I're doing it because it's the Emmys. And it's like, oh, but it'll... And it's not. May is just as bad. There's like 10 shows coming on in May. I'm really pleased to have The Diplomat. And I also got Zach to watch it with me. But now I'm in a situation where... You have to wait for him. Yeah. And he's traveling this weekend, which is like prime watch a show for me time.

I don't know what I'm going to do. I might just have to watch it. Why don't you just watch it and be like, Zach on the flight back, catch up with me. Yeah, if you want to or you don't. No, I think that's probably what I'll do. What'd you think of the Mando finale?

So speaking of Zach, he quit watching Mando halfway through and then the running joke is, because I get an email being like, your Mando screener is ready for you and I obviously don't

log on to watch it. Dave Filoni is there with a Is this before or after you're tweeting from twitter.com on your desktop computer? I obviously don't log on to watch it. Dave Filoni is there with a fucking... Is this before or after you're tweeting from twitter.com on your desktop computer? Amanda, I think you should explore the... Hashtag Grogu. Hashtag... Tweet via texting option.

Have any of you guys ever done that? Remember back in the day, early days, you could tweet via text? Oh, yeah. That's how we tweeted back in the day i appreciate no i wouldn't assume that i tweeted like that back in the day everybody was doing it um no but that's because i'm only on twitter on desktop what i know about the mandalorian is reserved for you know those emails emails from like Disney being like your screeners up. And then, which I don't understand because they just give you the screener at the same

time that they give you the episode. Well, some people don't subscribe to the service, so they use the screeners to watch the show. Anyway, so now I just, the running joke is me asking Zach like, hey, big, big, big news on The Mandalorian this week. And then he gets really mad and he's like, I quit. I don't care about how they wrap up the mythology. He's like, I told you I'm not a part of that anymore.

He betrayed me. You have kind of Bo-Katan vibes now that I think about it. I don't know what that means. Okay. Did Grogu talk? I stopped watching it. Oh, you don't know i stopped watching okay wow did you watch it he said yeah his first words were uh why are they saying that

why won't they tell us the truth they say that she can't use the dark saber who decides that why are they wearing helmets what are they scared of okay this is what way is that the only way who decides Why are they wearing helmets? What are they scared of? This is what way? Is that the only way? Who decides? Imagine listening to this pod like a year from now. Do you know what you would really like?

Both of you would like on television right now. Is the second season of 100 Foot Wave. Oh, yeah. I haven't watched it yet. I am going to watch it. I was like, maybe they don't need to do that. I got a lot of waves the first season. And then I was like, nope, I'm back in the wave. I am going to watch it. I was like, maybe they don't need to do that. I got a lot of waves the first season. And then I was like, nope, I'm back in the wave. And they have new drone tech.

That is chef's kiss. I can't believe we're doing this as people. They're flying into the waves with 4K cameras on drones. And you're just like, I'm there. I'm in it. When you guys finally posted the watch, you talked about 100-foot wave, and it was very compelling. So it's on my list.

You'd love it. Yeah. Chris Smith is... He might be the goat. Yeah. He's very special. He's him. He is himathy.

Yeah. Okay. I think Amanda has a pick now. I think I do. You took the fugitive. And there's something about Mary. There's something about... God damn it! Okay, continue. You took The Fugitive and There's Something About Marriage. There's Something About God. Damn it!

You're going to have to take City Slickers. First of all, you've betrayed the legend of Curly's Gold. That's because CS2 is on the list. CS2.

When are we doing the CS2 pod? I don't know. I don't know. City Slickers, that might be the best rewatch of this episode. That might't know. I don't know. City Slickers, that might be the best Rewatchables episode. That might be the best one.

Wait, is City Slickers when we did the Free Guy Rewatchables? I did the entire plot of City Slickers. I just recapped. That was great stuff. That was good.

Okay, in Oscar nominee, I'm going to take Sleepless in Seattle because that's not being taken away from me again. That is the Nora Ephron romantic comedy that, what do you want? Directed by Nora Ephron. I don't know.

When Harry Met Sally starts the rom-com boom or the modern rom-com era, then Sleepless in Seattle is like, okay, this is a real thing. And part of that is because it makes so much money at the box office that it's eligible on this list. And many films come after it. Some of them classic, some of them not that good. But in terms of commercial viability, this is the one. It's also very charming. I guess this is a Tom Hanks draft for me. Good pick. You know what? I don't care about your opinion. Speaking of Tom Hanks and comedy,. Good pick. You know what? I don't care about your opinion.

Speaking of Tom Hanks and comedy, I'm taking A League of Their Own. Oh, good one. This is also a movie that feels, I definitely saw this movie in theaters. Me too. Maybe twice. And was a massive hit for every member of my family. Both of my parents, both of my siblings.

There is a version of who's, oh, I was talking to Kelly Freeman Craig for the pod because we're going to talk about, are you there? God, it's me, Margaret later this week on the show.

And I was saying to her, I just feel like dramedy is dead. Like that genre of PG movie or PG-13 movie that the whole family goes to that everyone enjoys and is not too kiddy but is not too adult

is a really lost art. Yeah. Like in all culture and has been kind of replaced by as this thing has replaced so many other things

like the MCU, right? Where it's like that's a version of a family movie we get now. And I loved A League of Their Own so much incredible

sports movie and incredible drama in addition to being really really funny tremendous star turned by Geena Davis Hank's legendary is Jimmy Dugan and also

just like a this is gonna sound really dumb but I think it's true I think it's really important for like young boy to see a movie like that yes and to have like an

open mind about what the experience of the world should be. Not just because it's women, but it's women doing something that a lot of young boys do when they grow up, which is play baseball. And being excited by women

playing sports, which is, it's really kind of pat and lame to say that, but I really think that it had like a true power for me seeing it. And I think a lot of other kids

did too from my generation. Did you go up to a lot of girls in high school after you saw this movie and say, hey, saw League of Their Own. Keep for my generation. Did you go up to a lot of girls in high school after you saw this movie and say, hey, saw a league of their own. Keep trying. Yeah, I did.

Sorry they canceled that league on you. Sorry they took that league away from you, but do you want to have a catch? In t-shirts made, I saw a league of their own opening weekend. I'm with her. I just wear a Racine Peaches jersey to every date, every first date. I'm like, I just wear a Racine Peaches jersey

to every date every first date I'm like just so you know you would crush in Brooklyn wearing a Racine Peaches jersey out yeah you really would I mean that's

I haven't watched that show that's the other thing too is like now I don't I don't need an extension of this I heard it's very good but I just I'm all set

so that's comedy League of Their Own wonderful film can't believe I just said how good it is for a young boy to watch League of Their Own I should be shot.

It's okay. We're going to say that again when we talk about Are You There God? It's me and Margaret. Yeah, yeah. We'll come back. We'll get even more sappy.

Emotional, yeah. I cried. It's wonderful. It's a really good movie. Okay. I've got Speed, A League of Their Own, and Unforgiven.

Kind of a funky trio. Should we get more funky? You need to go wild card? No, that would be silly. And drama, I'm taking Saving Private Ryan. Okay. You are getting funky. Yeah, this is weird.

Yeah, because I can't win because I don't have T2 or Jurassic Park, so I just got to get some fucking good movies. You win every draft. What are you talking about? I'm on a little bit of a run right now, but I can't win this one because of how the chips fell

but that's okay I don't know about that you got you got there something about Mary first of all there's still a lot of draft left second of all

there's gonna be a lot of letterbox guys out there just being like Sean paid respect to women in baseball and I salute him just spit all over him that's how funny that was

uh yup yup they are gonna say that who else is gonna say that all Who else is going to say that? All my ex-girlfriends from middle school. They're all going to vote for me. Do you have multiple ex-girlfriends from middle school?

As you might imagine, I was a tough hang. And all your friends from Florida who are like, William Money was right. All my juror number two heads. No, Saving Private Ryan. Again, I like seeing a serious movie in the summer too. I like having fun. But this obviously is a pulverizing statement

about what The Greatest Generation gave us. Why do you just always steer it to just absolute bummer territory? Have a few laughs at the expense of our veterans? No, Amanda, I will not do that. I will pay homage to those men and their sacrifice. Okay. As will Steven Spielberg.

It's so funny that all of these movies, you know, The Fugitive, Unforgiven, Saving Private Ryan, these movies came out like at the end of the summer. You know, like almost right before going back to school, which is not necessarily what we think of. We think of like Memorial Day as the beginning of when these things start to come out. But even now, when I think about going on vacation,

I'm like my first week of August, nothing's going to be going on. think about going on vacation, I'm like, my first week in August, nothing's going to be going on. I can just leave then. If I went away the first week of August, I would have missed The Fugitive if I had a movie podcast in 1992. That would have been a tough beat. But didn't that also come as a surprise to everyone,

The Fugitive in particular? Yes, The Fugitive was, I think, like they're making a movie about a TV show. What is, what's going on here? No one was surprised by Saving Private Ryan. Although I guess Mission Impossible, it also was also around then too. Later. Saving Private Ryan. Although I guess Mission Impossible was also around then too. Later.

Saving Private Ryan was, I don't know if I mentioned this when we rewatchabled it, but it was released on my birthday weekend. Oh, okay. And I did in fact on my 16th birthday weekend

see the film Saving Private Ryan. Did you drive? No, we couldn't drive alone. We had to be, Because you had a learner's or because you didn't get,

because I had a learner's, yeah. We didn't get our license you get your license at 16 in in pennsylvania and georgia too really i also i think i i pushed a little bit i think my parents like i demonstrated you broke the law yeah because i learned to drive in florida and vermont high speeds you know what other laws did you break i can't really get into that without my attorney present you know did you break any laws you ever really get into that without my attorney present. You know? Did you break any laws? Did you ever shoplift? No. Really? I get too stressed out for that sort of thing.

Have I ever told you the story about the one time I got detention in high school? This is sad. I don't, like, sometimes I am, like, telling stories and then I'm like, oh, this is. We are recording this. Yeah. So I didn't, obviously, I was a total rule follower in high school. And then like the last week of class or something, I like intentionally skipped. In senior year? Yeah.

Isn't that like, it's all open season on that. Right, exactly. They punished you for that? No. So I like intentionally skipped class and like almost did it as a bit and then was like, hey, everyone, I like skipped class. And I remember even like proudly telling one of the teachers like, I, you know, I, you know me, I'm always a rule follower. So I skipped class.

I skipped Bible class, too, because fuck that. And the teacher was very proud of me and then was like, that's great. But also, you shouldn't graduate high school without having detention. So I'm going to give you honorary detention. And I was like, OK. That's not detention. I had to carry books from her office to the other thing for like an hour during the thing. You had to do physical labor during detention?

That's one of the saddest stories I've ever heard. You are a fucking loser. I hate detention. I know. I was in high school. And then, you know, it worked out. I used to get in real trouble. I used to get in trouble.

Yeah, I used to really get in trouble. Yeah. And now you guys host JM fucking O. We did it. Failing upwards. That's right. Yeah. And now you guys host J and fucking O. So. We did it. Failing upwards. That's right. Yeah. I have some more severe

stories of detention that I won't be sharing on this pod. Bob, you ever shoplift? I know better than to answer that question on this podcast. Thanks for waiting.

A lot of people listen to this. Come on. Yeah. A lot of people listen to this. What do you mean? Like the attorney general?

Who's listening? I don't know. Who the hell knows? Okay. Did I take my second film film you did saving private ryan and and uh a league of their own okay so amanda is up okay sequels is pretty thin so i guess i'm just gonna do die hard with a vengeance why not surprised yeah i thought is that the movie that made you want to move to New York? What? I thought you would have gone for Clear and Present Danger.

I mean, that's the other one that I have on here, but I drafted it recently, so some of this is variety. As previously discussed in this podcast, we are all New York experts with, you know, lots of opinions about infrastructure.

I did actually. I rewatched both Die Hard 2 and Die Hard 3 this weekend because I believe they're on Showtime streaming and whatever. I turned them on and then dozed off. Showtime on Paramount Plus or Showtime anytime? Showtime on demand. You still have cable, right? No, we cut the cord.

Did I not tell you that? No. Someone's got to help me watch a Dodgers game, though. Like, I'm dying over here. It's really painful. It's really, it's, and please don't tell me to get a VPN. Like, I'm not a Luddite, despite the Twitter. Bob will text you the illegal streams.

Speaking of breaking the law. Yeah, okay, thank you so much. It's just like, you know, I. It sucks. I live in Los Angeles. How can we not figure this out? Anyway. We're finally turning the death ray of the big picture against Rob Manfred and his cronies.

I've been waiting years. They have to fucking fix the whole thing. They just need to. We do MLB whatever because Zach is a Nutty Phillies fan. What an amazing comeback for baseball. It's incredible. That's right. It's amazing.

Welcome back, everyone. Every day I'm like, absolutely. Angels, Reds. Welcome back, everyone. Every day, I'm like, absolutely. Angels Reds, I'd like to. You know, like, it's just remarkable. This has been my

day one mission of The Ringer since I got hired. You did, Bob. Everybody back here, we won. Anyway, I fell asleep

during Die Hard 2 and I was really enjoying Die Hard with a Vengeance. So here we are. Die Hard with a Vengeance is a five-star film. I've always wanted

to do the thing in New York where you call in a fake officer down call so that you can follow an ambulance

down the avenue speaking of I'm going to New York in a few weeks should I try it yeah you should film yourself

live to Twitch as you execute on that so that I can watch you get arrested by the FBI I mean this is just as you execute on that so that I can watch you get arrested by the FBI. I mean, this is just, there are days where this is my favorite action movie. I don't know why.

I feel like I've drafted it at a certain point on this show. Chris definitely has. I've definitely taken it. I think I told my old D.H. with a V story. You know, like my friend who's like,

you see D.H. with a V, bro? But yeah, legendary, legendary film. And such a shame how none of the Die Hard movies are good after this. Really painful. Yeah, I saw Live Free or Die Hard was on cable the other week. And I was like, let me see.

And I was like, man, Oliphant, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, they couldn't make it happen. No, it's disappointing. The pieces are there. It's just, it's not right. Okay, CR, you're up. I want to take something, like you said, a little variety,

take something I've never drafted before. This has become, I think, one of the most beloved big blockbuster action movies of this decade. Maybe it wasn't when it first came out, when I saw it, because I think I was like, is this a story? Like, I was like, is this or is this more of like, even then I was concerned. I was concerned trolling Hollywood. But I've grown to really, really adore it.

And that is Twister. Which I think part of it is like, as you get older and you're like, that's Todd Field. And that's Philip Seymour Hoffman. And I had a crush on Helen Hunt. And Bill Paxton is the goat. You know, and you're like, actually, this was fucking awesome.

You know, and, but there was a moment where I was just, I think maybe I was like, so this is just, we're just going to keep picking disasters

to make movies about. Because, you know, there was a lot of deep impact and kind of like stuff like that. But this movie fucking rocks. Great movie. This is the only movie

I rewatched. Quite possibly the craziest cast of the 90s. Considering who all those people turned out to be as you said, Chris. Jan de Bont

following up Speed. De Bont had us in a headlock there. He really. Eight years. Well, I mean, notably he is. The cinematographer

of some of our favorite movies. He's like McTiernan's guy. A Hunt for Red October and Die Hard and he shot all of those great movies and then made Speed and is it Twister and then Speed 2 Cruise Control?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's Speed, Twister, and then Speed 2 Cruise Control, and then he makes the Haunting remake, and then it's fucking lights out. He made Lara Croft Tomb Raider and the Cradle of Life, but he has nothing else after that. It's kind of crazy to have made both those movies. Twister is tricky because the premise of Twister,

which is about people who are chasing twisters so that they can drive a truck into a twister so that it can get sucked up and they can release sensors that can then

more accurately read the twister's metrics is absolutely moronic. It is a very, very dumb idea for a movie. But it's like incredibly propulsive. It's kind of like a movie. But it's like incredibly propulsive.

It's kind of like a sports movie because it's two teams competing against each other facing this epic battle. I thought it was great. We need to talk briefly about Twisters, which is the remake or sequel or whatever. It's been going through a lot, it would seem. Well, Lee Isaac Chung is directing it.

I'm just baffled and glenn powell and daisy edgar jones and anthony romos i did see that i okay maybe it'll be good this is it was explained to me that this is not based on any of the characters in the film twister so it's not their kids all right it's a whole new set of twister chasing you kids it's based on the person who inspired the toy there's also like a lot of like, do you need to drive a truck into a tornado when we have iPhones?

I don't know. I don't know. It just seems like we got a lot of satellites now. We could just be like, damn, there's a Twister coming. Lee Isaac Chung going Minari to Twisters.

Yeah. Even by the standards of 20th first century craziness with a Turs is really something he's a great director i maybe it'll be great great cast a little worried about the daisy edgar jones yeah roulette wheel of movie selection same uh glenn powell just he's taking it and running with it all this set photos with sydney sweeney from the romantic comedy. Good for him. They're just out of this world. They're just fully leaning in.

Yeah. Very proud of them. Anthony Ramos, he's going to be in a beast war this summer with the Transformers. That's right. I'd love to be in a beast war. Just me and another beast. Yeah. Face to face, going to war.

What beast would you, what would your like number one draft pick of beast rival be? Well, my daughter the only word that she wants to say to me is rab rab is that a ram

rabbit oh okay so imagine if I were a rabbit beast oh I mean what beast can you fight I think what's the most dangerous

beast can you that I could I could take down yeah um armadillo honestly nothing I'm a 40 year old wilting man yeah Yeah. Armadillo. Honestly, nothing.

I'm a 40-year-old wilting man. Yeah. I have no upper body strength. I tire easily. I need two and a half cups of coffee just to turn the engine over every morning. I'm destroyed. So I could, a house cat? A turtle?

What about you? Contacts in. Okay, thank you for that. Contact Zid. Contact Zid. I'm trying to think, what's a good size comp? You know? You want something like... Like a kangaroo?

Are kangaroos as tall as me? I'd love to see you test your... Really? Have you ever seen a kangaroo in person? Certainly. I've been to the zoo many times. They have kangaroos at the zoo? They do. I've been eating... They have kangaroos at the LA Zoo.

The next time you guys go to the zoo... You'd like to join? Yeah. I think the first time he was scared of the monkeys remember but now i think he's that's a great day trip yeah yeah when it's not too hot can you take a kangaroo i think so no way i think all of us would get worked by a kangaroo are you kidding me that's a wild animal okay they just have a level of you know unabashedness that we don't have is a little awkward on the kangaroo it's different than mine you know unabashedness that we don't have is a little awkward on the kangaroo it's different than mine you know so i i feel like i could get it off it's

what's your answer bob what can you take down i don't know like maybe a small dog i wouldn't i don't even trust myself against my own dog and she's like 30 pounds they're vicious you know animals when they need to be they'll they'll get you this is what i mean this is why i'm saying like i can handle a turtle what. You guys are underestimating. I'm going grizzly. You're going to fight a grizzly bear. Full revenant. Yeah.

Sometimes you just drop trout for the CR heads, and frankly, it's pathetic. You're better than that. No, I think that I have quick twitch lateral movement that the grizzly couldn't keep up with. Quick twitch? Yeah. Off the line.

Get into my route. I have played basketball with you. You are a bit squirrely. I'm sure squirrels have to evade bears from time to time. Are you ready to continue drafting? Sure. Whose turn is it? Are you up?

I think it's me. Because I just drafted Twister. Then we talked about Twisters. And then we talked about fighting animals. Right. And... So you're sticking with Grizzly Bear? Yeah. I'm also like... You guys would be like, I'm fighting Armadillo. And... So you're sticking with grizzly bear? Yeah.

I'm also like, you guys would be like, I'll fight an armadillo. It's just like, come on. Can you tell the difference between bears? No. Okay, me either. I just, I wondered...

Like black bear, brown bear? Yeah. What about polar bear? That I could tell the difference. Panda bear? Did you know that they're the world's most vicious and efficient killers? Polar bears?

Or among them? Yeah. I buy it. Okay. I would maybe take on a polar bear, but it would have to be on my turf.

17th Street in Philly. Broward County. Let's go. Like, one of the ways that it would be theater. Okay. Gosh.

Can I, can I be a little sentimental? Okay. For drama. My first date ever. Wow. Not going to say her name. Great girl. Ghost. Wow. Wow date ever. Wow. Not going to say her name.

Great girl. Ghost. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And it was a great time to be romantic in the 90s because you had movies like Ghost. How did the date go?

Not well. What happened? Tell us about it. Well, I was in sixth grade. So it was just like, where do you go after you see Ghost? You know, I'm not Patrick Swayze. Yeah. I didn't quite have that hold over my

Did she shut it down immediately after the film? No we just held hands you know what I mean like we were like 13 What was the discourse like between you two? You mean like

how did we get discourse like how did we get to the point where we were dating briefly? Yeah were you talking about you know could

H.W. Bush get a second term you know what's gonna.W. Bush get a second term? You know, what's going to happen with Desert Storm? Just a lot of like, hey, did you like the Sloppy Joes today? They were pretty good. Okay. Yeah. You like Sloppy Joes?

Yeah, they were kind of fun in school. I didn't mind them. Imagine going into a restaurant and ordering a Sloppy Joe. That's upsetting. But that's what they fed us. And look where we wound up. You know know so maybe it should be more

sloppy joes out there because you're saying we're strong and successful yeah we're making one of the more deranged episodes of this show ever I'm not convinced of that

I think this has been a nice vibe you do I just want to remind you guys that statistically speaking it's very likely that there's at least like 100 to 200 people

that this is the first episode they've ever heard of this podcast just based on how the feeds work that's fine I think that we probably retain we'll they've ever heard of this podcast, just based on how the feeds work. That's fine. I think that we probably retain, we'll retain like 20% of those people,

but they'll think this is the best podcast they've ever heard. I don't think anyone's been cruel to each other. I haven't seen you guys. I didn't see you much last week. So I'm enjoying the time. Oh, that's right. I forgot.

But I saw Chris on Saturday too, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I love you. Without our children. It's really what I was saying without our children without our children right that's true

where we can have honest true discourse about fighting animals DeSantis kangaroos I don't know I need this you know it's an outlet for me so

ghost A plus is it one of your favorites I feel like we've not discussed it often Patrick Swayze very important to young Amanda

I just didn't really understand what a pelvis could do, you know? And now, and then I did. Speaking of things being introduced to, the metaphorical properties of pottery. I did not know. That was also, I think I said this on the, because Chris and I did our rewatchables. We did. This is when Bill told us that he thought that this was a realistic depiction of the afterlife.

I forgot about that. It's just, I think this is what happens. Well, I just remember this was one of the first times I watched. I'm still recovering from that comment. It's dark and there are scary things or you go to heaven. So exactly Judeo-Christian. Yeah. So this is one of the first times I remember watching a movie and I'm watching the aforementioned pottery scene.

And I was like, I think something else is going on here. I think maybe they're not just, you know, doing ceramics. Maybe it means something else. You know? What did it mean? So I don't want to say that Ghost was like wholly responsible for my sexual awakening, but I definitely, to Chris's earlier point, learned some things from Ghost. What film was responsible for your sexual awakening, if you had to say?

Probably The Warriors. No, I think it was when I finally saw the Tom Hardy film Warrior. Then I was like, that's what love is. That's actually what it means. Wrestling with a guy. Gosh, I'm trying to think of what is like the first true. Well, we've talked about this before, but it was a little confusing to be coming up in the era of basic instinct and disclosure.

You know, there's some complicated ideas about modern sexuality in the movies. I have a couple years and you guys imagine what it was like for me with like Porky's. Yeah. Well, I mean,

you know, a movie that feels like won't get drafted here but American Pie, obviously, was a movie that came out when I was probably 14, 15. We were in high school.

Yeah, something like that. My first experience with sex on screen was John Borman's excalibur oh yeah you know i've never seen that and we were talking about it recently i brought it up to you with dungeons and dragons yeah yeah because like fantasy wise like the arthurian stuff is really the only way that i can get into the genre which is really code for if they're having a lot of sex well they do in this movie in fact the first sex sex scene is a man in a full suit of armor

having sex with a completely naked woman. And I was like, this is not what I expected. And that's how you've been doing it ever since. Which is great. Art is so powerful.

Hang on. This chain mail takes a while. Just as long as you don't have khakis underneath. That's really good. Faceplate down or up. Do you think at the exact time I was watching The Lion King for the first time you were watching Excalibur and cranking it?

Probably. Amanda, did you select a film? No, not yet. In comedy, I'll take one of my favorite films of all time, My Best Friend's Wedding. I thought there was a chance you were going to take Men in Black there, kid. I appreciate that. It's really changed for me. Distancing yourself from Will.

Well, my feelings have changed. It's been a long road yeah and this is like you've started your speech about your divorce from will smith to his face things have changed it's a long road so i obviously found will smith in the 90s incredibly important and formative and i love every single credit song ever made but my best friend's wedding and Julia Roberts and my best friend's wedding was like the movie I remember seeing in the movie theater I had the VHS I think I would have been 12 turning 13 the summer that this came out so this is also like when I began to understand romantic comedies. And there's something about what Julia Roberts is doing in My Best Friend's Wedding and what that movie is doing that is, you know, upending some of the tropes and really playing with the idea of the genre that I think sort of taught me to like look at how these things work.

So I think it was educational to me as well. And I love it. I think it's great. And I also had to have a julia roberts movie on this a sad thing that you did is you sent us a letterboxd list with the um with all the eligible movies and for some reason like the image that populates it in the text chain is from pretty woman because it's the first it was the first film in the well it originally was the first film right list but i had to change it because that film in the list. Well, it originally was the first film in the list,

but I had to change it because that film wasn't eligible. Exactly. But so it wasn't eligible. And anyway, but Julia's still here. I love her. Is this her only film

represented on this list? Is Sleeping with the Enemy on the list? It's not. Runaway Bride is on the list, but not so much. Not a big fan of that one. I thought about seeing

if I could argue for Runaway Bride in sequels, but it's really not that good. So I have seeing if I could argue for Runaway Bride in sequels, but it's really not that good. So I have my final two picks here. My open categories are sequel and wildcard. You both have a sequel. I'm just going to run through

some of the sequels that are on the board at the moment. Maybe in ascending order of quality. There's Batman and Robin, which I believe I was forced to take in a draft

at a certain point, which is quite a poor film. The Lost World, which I still don't really get. That's Vince Vaughn and William Macy, that one? Yes. I can't believe that they let you guys

talk about Jurassic Park sequels on mic still. What do you mean? Because we don't know anything that happened to them and we're always getting them confused. Is Tay Leoni in one of those movies? She's in three.

Or two? Two. I don't know in one of those movies? She's in three. Or two? Two. And when do they? I don't know. And there's one where it's like. I have face blindness for Jurassic Park films that are not Jurassic Park. I just cannot remember anything.

Have you seen any of the legacy sequels? I saw the first Chris Pratt sequel with the. Jurassic World. With Blue. With Blue. Yeah. We should have realized movies were fucking cooked back then. That was like the beginning of the end for me personally. Jurassic World. With blue. With blue, yeah. We should have realized movies were fucking cooked back then.

That was like the beginning and the end for me personally. Jurassic World. They were horrible. Yeah, just insufferable. Those films are not good. They really are. There is a meanness

to Jurassic World that I enjoy. There are some pretty violent kills but it kind of goes off the rails. Clear and Present Danger I mentioned. Yeah. Which is a film I like quite a bit.

Sure. Same. Sure, sure. Can I tell you guys a funny story? I started re-watching Air Force One because I thought

that Jack Clancy became the president later on. Jack Clancy? What's his name? Jack Ryan. Jack Ryan. Tom Clancy.

Jack Clancy is Tom Clancy's brother. Right. But I thought he was Jack Ryan president in Air Force One. And then I was like, oh, this isn't eligible for sequels.

I got to move on. Different film. Different universe. I figured it out. The rare, I think Clear and Present Danger is significantly better than Patriot Games. Having rewatched both of them, I think during the pandemic. Yeah. Yes.

Because they were very comforting movies to watch, which is unusual. Then Batman Returns. I'm taking Star Wars Episode I, The Phantom Menace. Oh, God. here we go Jesus Christ there was like this is like what it's a terrible movie he and but he's gonna do his

like letterbox like a phone nerds for the kids young Sean yeah he's gonna do no he's gonna do no he's gonna do but like we're really this is annoying we were having a nice time and now you just have to

fucking log on to your Twitter blue and be like, I don't know their thing. What did Daddy Lucas tell you to tell us? No, I don't have to. Let's just move on.

You guys want to just move on? Is Jar Jar Binks in this one? Sure. Yes. And this is the speed racer like one right pod racing

yeah there's also an absolutely sick fight two on one with Darth Maul remember that is that the guy

with the spikes yeah Qui-Gon Jinn yeah that's portrayed by Liam Neeson mm-hmm Ewan McGregor

yeah it's Obi-Wan Kenobi uh-huh that worked out for him uh there was I'm not sure if you guys saw this there was a an awful prompt tweet Ewan McGregor? Yeah. It's Obi-Wan Kenobi? Uh-huh. That worked out for him. There was, I'm not sure if you guys saw this, there was an awful prompt tweet about, describe your experience of seeing this movie for the first time over the weekend.

And so many, many people replied to this, like thousands of people replied to this. And for some reason, I kept getting served their stories on Twitter, which is broken. It doesn't work. And now I have to see people's stories about Phantom Menace, but it's top of mind.

I have to. I thought stories about Phantom Menace, but it's top of mind. I have to. I thought you said that you had curated the most perfect Twitter. No, they broke it. They broke. I had like from circa. This is why I'm on desktop.

2018 through 2021. I was like, wow, I figured out Twitter. Like I don't have to see anybody else's thoughts. You're literally the only guy in the world who was like, this is the best Twitter's ever been.

It's 2018. Well, every day you would come home from work and cry about Trump. And world who was like, this is the best Twitter's ever been. It's 2018. Well, every day you would come home from work and cry about Trump. And I'd be like, who is that? I don't know who that is because I'm not seeing any of this content. And for whatever reason, this was like the pinnacle of that. But I do remember seeing episode one and liking it. I know it is deeply flawed. And the prequels are bad, quote unquote bad.

But there's still something about it that I like. I don't like the second film very much. The third film, I think, is like really good.

And maybe even in that kind of top five of Star Wars movies, which sounds like a stupid thing to say, but it is what it is. Top five of eight?

Nine. Nine. That's still bottom half. No, there've been more than that. I mean, Solo, Rogue One, there've been 11 films. Okay, 11. So that's still bottom half no there's been more than that i mean solo oh yeah one there's been 11 okay 11 so that's top five is not of 11 is not bad i don't know wouldn't have passed muster at my house growing up but you don't know shit about star wars so

who cares what you think i love star wars you've seen three star wars films six i've seen the most recent three i've seen the original two i've never seen the third films? Six? I've seen the most recent three. I've seen the original two. I've never seen the third one. I know. I've never seen it. You've never seen Return of the Jedi? No, but we... Why are you even talking?

What are you doing? But we do Wub Wub to Knox a lot, you know, because he's like a little Ewok. How is this relevant? And I've seen the third of the prequels. My dad and I went. Re third of the prequels.

My dad and I went. Revenge of the Sith. That's the film I'm referring to. Quality film. But that's not the movie you drafted. Yeah, that's not what you picked. No, here's why. Because it was really,

really fucking exciting to go see this movie. I'm here for it, man. You know what I'm saying? This is the summer blockbuster draft. Is it a perfect film? I've seen half of Andor. I'm going to finish it.

What? You haven't finished Andor. I'm going to finish it. What? You haven't finished Andor? Zach abandoned me. It came out right after. That's what you should do while you're waiting for him I'm sorry. I was busy breastfeeding.

Would you like to? You can watch Andor and breastfeed? Put it on the poster. You've seen three episodes of The Diplomat and four episodes of Andor. Shame on you. I've seen six episodes of And Diplomat and four episodes of Andor. Shame on you. I've seen six episodes of Andor.

Okay. Zach abandoned me. He wanted to watch all of it and I needed to make food for my son. Have you been on Star Wars episodes of this podcast with me before? Yes. You haven't seen Return of the Jedi? You know what? You guys said it was bad.

Who said it was bad? No. It's good. It's great. Okay. All right. This is not homework. It's Return of the Jedi.

It's fabric of American cultural experience. I've seen Star Wars and Empire many times. And I've seen all the new ones. And I really like Last Jedi. And yes, we also did a just absolutely deranged Return of Skywalker. Is that the last one? Rise of Skywalker. Yeah, we did do that.

Last podcast because I like Babu Frick, remember? And then you just like started crying. So you're just missing the text on Return of the Jedi. Like you just don't have access to that information. Do you know about the somersault he does? Did you ever see that? No, but there's Jabba the Hutt is in that one, right? I feel like I'm like having an embolism right now. Is this what's upsetting you? What you ever see that? No. But there's Jabba the Hutt is in that one, right? I feel like I'm having

an embolism right now. Is this what's upsetting you? What are you talking about? Maybe I've seen it. We should do a Return of the Jedi watch a lot. Maybe I have seen it. I've seen all the things

about the Ewoks. I know about Jabba the Hutt. She wears the bikini. No, that's not... Okay. What? All right. Chill out.

So you have seen it? I guess I have. Okay. Just relax. I just don't really have a relationship with it. Okay. And I like all the other ones. That's different.

All right. Calm down. Oh my God. Have you seen Phantom Menace? I don't think I actually have seen that one. So why were you talking at all during this segment? Because I've seen the discourse and I watch all of your little film Twitter buddies just be like, actually, we should reconsider. Are you on film Twitter more than I am? I don't know because apparently your algorithm's all messed up and you're just being served people's prompt tweets.

Yeah, they fucked it. It's a real shame. The For You tab, tough. Well, you could just go to follower. I do, fucked it. It's a real shame. The For You tab. Tough. Well, you could just go to follower. I do, but they always reset it to For You. Not on desktop. Not on the mobile.

Yes, they do on desktop. Nope, not for me. Brad mode has been activated here. Do I have another pick? I do. Wild card. Maroney started crying because he didn't think I'd see him turn on the chat. pick I do wild card I'm just like how did you get this job like who let you in the door

you should definitely let this person make fun of people it's up to me to make things better I'm so happy to be here with you guys just so happy to be here with you both when they have not seen the film. It's up to me to make things better. I've seen all this shit. I'm so happy to be here with you guys. Just so happy to be here with you both. It doesn't seem like it.

Wildcard? I'm picking The Truman Show because that's what this fucking episode feels like. Everybody who I thought was my friend hasn't seen Return of the Jedi. Another movie.

I have! It turns out. Okay. All right. I believe you. I don't believe you I'm just going with weird as much weird stuff as I can

okay this is kind of you're tanking I'm anti-draft you're tanking but only with good films except for Phantom Menace which isn't good

but I like it we need to spend more time on Peter Weir on this podcast I agree and on all of our movie podcasts here at The Ringer the Master and Commander

cult we're approaching Branch Davidian levels it's amazing I agree. And on all of our movie podcasts here at The Ringer. The Master and Commander cult. We're approaching Branch Davidian levels. It's amazing. It's amazing stuff. I would really love to do that movie on the show. If we're not allowed to do it, should we pick it for a birthday show then? Is that the only option we have? I didn't get a birthday show this year.

Oh, wow. Remember? Wow. I was like, I remember actually being on a trip with Bill and like a cuck being like, if I got a birthday pick, I'd probably pick Sicario.

And he just kind of was like looking at his phone. Wow. He power played you. Yes. That's a sad story. It wasn't a milestone. And he was like,

if we're good, we're good. Oh, I guess it sort of was. It was like a round number birthday I turned 45 maybe he's just doing milestones would we consider 45 a milestone? imagine waiting around 5 more years every week is his birthday though

because he gets to just be like I'm doing sudden impact or whatever not that I'm mad about it I'm just saying if we get to pick one movie a year, it should be, it shouldn't matter how old we are. Bob, what would you pick

for the rewatchables? What would be your first pick? I don't know. I have to think about that question. A League of Their Own, probably. Haven't they already done that on rewatchables? Yeah.

That was a really good one. Mallory's, like, nitpicking about the plate coverage or something at the final.ory's like nitpicking about the plate coverage or something the final it's really classic

I guess yeah the harder question for me is that the ones that I would choose have already been done so Sandlot and A Few Good Men

would probably be my two go-to in terms of the movies that I've rewatched the most and Home Alone I guess too which has also already been done which was one of the most controversial podcast episodes

I've ever heard in my life which one was? Home Alone why? when Bill said it wasn't a Christmas movie oh yeah yeah yeah no

that was he's great at making content yeah he is absolutely it's content making you absolutely furious that you won't be allowed to talk about Sicario

into a microphone until you die you didn't ask me what I would pick what would you pick? Return of the Jedi I was like you walked just a chance to see it right into the the watchable yeah You didn't ask me what I would pick. What would you pick? Return of the Jedi. Just a chance to see it.

Right into the... The watchable. It's a great spinoff opportunity for you. Amanda watches iconic films for the first time and explains why they're good. I've seen it. Oh my God. We literally did that last week. We did do that last week.

With Casablanca. We did do that last week. We did do that last week. So yeah, I took the Truman Show. Okay. Okay. It's a weird collection of films that I've got. Tons of stuff on the board.

Yeah. I've got a wild card. Yeah. Two remaining wild card picks for you, Bull. Respectfully to Chris, I'm going to take The Firm. Yeah. Which is still on the board. Shocking.

This is the most stacked wild card we've ever had. I know. I mean, I have like 18 options and a lot of things I'm sad not to get. The Firm is a classic John Grisham adaptation starring our guy Tom Cruise. Is this the only

Tom Cruise movie on the board? Nope. Is it? Oh. Because you're about to draft something? I don't know.

We'll see. That's a good option. There's at least one that we love that is on the board. No, no, no. Oh, sorry. I meant that has been

drafted so far. Oh, yeah. This is the first Tom Cruise movie that has been drafted. Just please Oh, yeah. This is the first Tom Cruise movie that has been drafted. Just please make a movie like this every week and I will watch it. Thank you. Him doing handsprings on the streets of Memphis is the funniest thing I've ever seen in a movie.

That's the best sequence in movie history. And then all his adult friends as he's doing gymnastics with a child on Beale Street, all his friends are like, there goes Mitch. One of a kind. That's why you go out with this guy. Nothing like going to bars and then a guy doing cartwheels with a child.

Mitch McDeer is just a really good name. Yeah. Wonderful. He seems like a platoon right fielder for the pirates. Yeah. In 88. I think you're thinking of Rob Deer, but name. Yeah. Wonderful. He seems like a platoon right fielder for the pirates. Yeah. In 88. I think you're thinking of Rob Deere, but sure. Yeah.

This movie is also like the only coherent explanation of mail fraud that I have ever gotten. But I do. I feel like I get it now and I know how to get people for crimes. You know? By getting them to mail stuff across state lines. Yeah. Exactly. But I was like, great, we did it.

Or just even putting it in the mail is a crime. Yeah, exactly. But I was like, great, we did it. Or just even putting it in the mail is a crime. Yeah, exactly. Can I just say something quickly? Yeah. I'm a huge Holly Hunter fan.

Broadcast News, one of my favorite movies of all time. Her Oscar nomination for this film is fraudulent. I don't really understand it. Why was she nominated? She's good in the film.

She's not good. She's in like four scenes and she just smokes a lot. Yeah, she's funny. And does the shim not good. She's in like four scenes. What are we recognizing? And she just smokes a lot. Yeah, she's funny. And does the shimmy thing with the... They like Holly Hunter. Why are you always trying to take Oscar nominations away from people after the fact? Because, you know, it's built on a house of lies.

I know. Category fraud is like really important to you. Just one nomination for acting in Phantom Menace. Who gets it? Is Joel Edgerton Uncle Ben in that film? Is he? I think he is. In which case my answer is Joel Edgerton for his

the way he cooked. The master gardener. Not Uncle Ben. What's Uncle what's the uncle's name? Ben. No, Ben is Ben Kenobi. Oh, Owen. Owen, thank you. That's right, Uncle Ben. Chris, you have a pick.

Gosh, this is really hard. You know, there's so much good stuff left. Shall I rattle off some of the films that are left? Well, I'm just going to, can I do my pick first? Of course. Okay, so this is another one

kind of in the vein of Fugitive where I saw it and became immediately obsessed with it despite the fact that going into it, I'm just going to, can I do my pick first? Of course. Okay. So this is another one kind of in the vein of Fugitive where I saw it and became immediately obsessed with it despite the fact that going into it, I was like, this can't be good. This can't, they can't make a really good movie about this. And that is Point Break because I love bank robbing surfers and Patrick Swayze playing Bodhi, a philosophizing. Two Swayze movies for you. Yeah. I love that.

And then this is an amazing Keanu performance as Johnny Utah, ex-Ohio State quarterback, now FBI. FBI! Yeah. And Busey just on 14. And just Katie Bigelow in her bag, running around LA with a handheld camera making this fucking classic.

We talked a lot about this on the Keanu Hall of Fame pod. It's immaculate tremendous movie tremendous movie only bangers two Lori Petty movies in this draft

shout out to her yeah where's Tank Girl that's my question I don't think it cracked the the 100 milo remember when Lori

just showed up out of nowhere in Station 11 that was wild she was wonderful in that show so many movies we didn't draft

so the biggest one that didn't get drafted that I think in terms of an event in terms of like I can't believe how like this has taken over the world

is Independence Day obviously yeah what about Forrest Gump I don't feel like I had a lot of anticipation for Gump the way I did ID4

but it was a huge phenomenon or at least it was it won best picture and made like 500 million dollars yeah it's huge But it was a huge phenomenon, or at least it was. It won Best Picture and made like $500 million. Yeah. It's huge. But they did the same year now.

They were a couple years apart. I'm trying to think of what are some other truly, well, Mission Impossible went undrafted. The Rock went undrafted. The Lion King, which I know he'll roll his head. Armageddon maybe is the last film of the decade of this ilk. Armageddon. I'm surprised that you didn't draft Blair Witch. I've taken it a couple times.

I was just trying to mix it up. Faceoff, Undrafted, Deep Impact. Rewatched Deep Impact. Not bad. During COVID, I was like, this is a surprisingly sincere, serious film. That was the thing about those disaster films is that for the most part

like I watched The Core the other week it was on. Oh, I've never seen that. It's Hilary Swank and Aaron Eckhart and Stanley Tucci

and they have to drill into the core of the earth and restart it with nukes because otherwise the earth will stop spinning. Oh, I remember this.

This is the same premise as Armageddon and Sunshine. Yeah. And it's really, That's what you did before working for Grantland, right, Chris? That was your... Yes.

Bill had heard about my work with the court and was like, you want to blog about Steph Curry playing the Hornets on a Wednesday? Did you see the Godzilla remake? I don't think I did. Oh, the Matthew Parker one? Do I have to leave now? I mean, I want you out

regardless, but I'm not sure if that's grounds for it. Yeah, Jean Reno. Hank Azaria. Okay. He's in the film. Kevin Dunn.

That was almost bigger for the Diddy song. Yes. Tell us more. It was a remake of Cashmere, right? Yeah. I think it was just

Diddy rapping over Cashmere, which is very funny to think about yeah um wasn't there a wonderful rage against the machine song in that film as well no shelter was it yeah um did you guys see casper uh i have you know speaking of the great clint produced by malpaso one of the very few non-clint eastwood starring films that malpaso produced the casper the Friendly Ghost adaptation.

Devon Sawa I just am contractually obligated to say that yeah. Yeah he's in Return of the Jedi I'm surprised you haven't seen that. Did Rage participate in Godzilla because outside of the Zapatistas awakening ancient beasts from the sea is their main concern like that's one their major, like kind of political kind of viewpoints. This is a, this is a band that has serious thoughts about nuclear annihilation. And look at that. Look at the results of nuclear annihilation.

We've created a giant lizard that is ravaging our cities. Do you think that Tom Morello is going to be pro Oppenheimer or pro Barbie? Should we try to get Tom and Zach on, on the pod so that we can do a movie draft around Barbie and Oppenheimer characters? That would be good.

Movie character draft? How would you organize it? You can only pick people from Return of the Jedi. And Casper. We'll open it up to Casper as well. You can take Bill Pullman's

character from Casper. Okay. What else did we not talk about? Quite a few things. In the Light of Fire, I loved. Also, we didn't really discuss this, but I think in the Light of Fire is set in summer, which isn't nice because it's summer in Washington, D.C.

for a lot of the exteriors. I don't know if that doesn't really matter. I'm pro-summer. Yeah. I think after that, Total Recall, like you said con air con air so con air face off the rock the rock armageddon and independence day and mission impossible all going undrafted and true lies you know what i appreciate chaotic none of us none of us did genre fuckery no none of us tried to be like Mission Impossible and drama.

That was the challenge of the draft, right? It was like, what were our three action picks? Twister, Speed, and Jurassic Park. Pretty unassailable summer blockbusters, but that meant literally a dozen all-time 90s action movies sitting on the cutting room floor.

Sad. Do you have any regrets? No. I got all my movies. Great. Congrats. You have any regrets no i i got all my movies great congrats you have any regrets yeah i've just got an incredibly strange slate of films yeah you're really upset when you go third it just everything is up in the air what's that about not only your drafts but the tone of the pods and then what happens is you still win and you never atone you never say sorry i threw all of my toys out of the pram on that one why do you think i always win because we do the polls on

twitter and they all of the big picture fans are like concentrated on twitter it's not because they love me okay that's fair they're just like what a segue from that guy yeah let's give it to him you started off so kind you really turned it around you know yeah you turned the energy i was doing fine and then it was it was like little cuts at first well are we gonna have what feels like a 90s summer this summer i personally am i'm ready Here's what's happening for me. Day camp. You're going to day camp? What if I just started day camp? I was like, sorry guys, I'm not available. You know what? I kind of run a day camp from seven to seven on Saturday and Sunday every week at my home. So we did water tables this weekend. We did a lot of field trips.

Can I just ask, what is a water table? Come on over and check one out, my friend. It's a plastic container that's raised up waist high. And then you put water in it. And so the kids can kind of splash around. So it's like a pre-kiddie pool. Yeah. And then when the kids go to sleep, we pour all the water out and put tequila

in it and we play in it. And you splash around in it. Yeah. CR, what do you think? Your summer? What do you got planned? I'm going to try and see the world while it's still there. You know what I mean? Travel. And then it's campaign trail time. It's time to

really start something. Iowa, New Hampshire. You know what I was going to ask is, do you think, how sad would it be to do a premature 2000s draft of this? Like, would it just be MCU movies pretty much? I think if we just did the 2000s,

it would be pretty good. Yeah. Because that stuff doesn't really kick off until like 2009. 2020s maybe it would be more. Even 2010s I think would be challenging because they because that stuff doesn't really kick off until like 09 maybe it would be more even 2010s I think would be challenging because they're dominated

by IP stuff but I think we could do O's next summer coming to you live from the private JMO feed and

I think when I get Tucker's job I also get his compound that's actually contractual that's Fox News built him an eight-story mansion. Does he still live there? No, he's out now. So I go in. That's why this

performance, all this vitriol, this bite from me is just part of my audition tape. Do you think I get the job? Yeah, you're hired. Congratulations. Thank you. Good luck to you guys. This is my last big picture. Thanks to Bobby Wagner for his work on this episode. Stay tuned. Just completely different energy later this week. Do you not have an interview on this? Do you? No. Okay. I swear to God, earlier this morning I talked to Christian Mongeau, the Romanian, new wave Romanian filmmaker, and it was like an amazing

conversation about a deeply, deeply complicated, tremendously nuanced film. And I was like, how are we putting these interviews on the same feed with this fucking nonsense? But you know what? That's what we're doing. That's the majesty of this work. Thank you so much, everybody. We'll see you soon.