The Big Picture - The 1993 Mega Movie Draft

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

We are drafting again! And this time, the roster is growing. Van Lathan and Rob Mahoney join Sean, Amanda, and Chris Ryan for a draft of one of the greatest years in movie history: 1993. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, and Rob Mahoney Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the year 1993. We're drafting again. It's the Movie Draft 1993 edition. CR is here, and so are two more special guests, the co-host of Higher Learning and One Half of the Midnight Boys Van Lathan and the co-host of NBA Group Chat And Ringer staff writer Rob Mahoney

What up? What up? Also pew pew Chris, how are you? Trademark infringement How am I? I'm coming to you I'm coming to you from a lovely suite In a hotel in Burbank, California I got back from the United Kingdom on Saturday

and immediately tested positive for COVID. I'd like to shout out at least like 75 to 85% of the people who screamed in my mouth in pubs for the last week. I got what was coming to me. And I just wanted to do this at the beginning because I think what a lot of people are probably thinking right now is shenanigans, but shenanigans, you know, like Sean. It's kind of interesting. You know,

Chris was flying around a lot of restricted airspace over the last couple of days. There's a lot of interesting activity going on above our lands. And I just want to say that I don't blame Sean. I don't blame any foreign power. This was bound to happen eventually. I'm just sorry I can't donate my body to science for being the last person to not get COVID. I was just trying to get JMO all to myself. And unfortunately, you're still around. You're still kicking, Chris. We're here for a big draft. Van is here with us in person. Rob is here with us in person. Amanda, of course, is here with us in person. Chris is in an undisclosed location location but we're going to talk about who we were in

i think i already said i was in burbank well you're in burbank are you deep underground are you in a sky tower are you perhaps in a local hotel hard to say van i want to start with you. Who were you in 1993? Oh, man. Whippersnapper. Precoce on 150. When I was looking back at all of these movies, I was so deep in my cable TV era.

Like a whole day of cable TV. Starting off with the movies that nobody really wants to watch in the morning, like Vibes with Jeff Goldblum. You know, you guys ever see that one where they're psychics? You never saw that one? That's a, you never saw Jeff Goldblum and Cyndi Lauper in Vibes? Cyndi Lauper? This isn't real. Oh my God.

I haven't seen it. Vibes, they're psychics in the movie. So you watch that in the morning. And then in the afternoon, you get one of these movies like The Fugitive. And then all the way in the evening, it's like Emmanuel in the Desert or whatever. Those are your favorites. Yeah. So like the full day of it.

And so many of these films were on like this entire time. This was the time when I was really wrestling with, do you want to play sports? Do you want to go outside? I was so into sports and the neighborhood and being, but I was also so buttoned down. And like, it was the age where my parents realized the film thing wasn't going away. It was just going to get worse and worse and worse and worse until it became an aspect of your personality. We're very similar in that respect. Amanda, who were you in 93? I believe I turned nine years old. Okay.

What depth were the lenses on your glasses at this point? Really, really thick because we had gotten the glasses. Have I ever told you the story about my parents didn't believe me that I needed glasses and so i had to what i had to create a um like a some sort of experiment with like a lot of like that i had to do the eye test myself but i like made my parents write the things and i stood on the other side of the room and then they were like oh finally okay i guess you do need glasses then i got traumatizing then i got taken to LensCrafters at Lenox Mall. Lenox Mall. It's like the kind of adjacent.

It's not actually in Lenox proper. It wasn't. The one on the right sort of behind like the Swiss Hotel or whatever it's called. Anyway. And picked out some truly large lenses, frames with very thick lenses. Pre-contacts, and pre-getting to decide what movies to watch for myself. I think this is deep in the phase of being old enough to watch older movies, or crucially, my dad thinking I was old enough for me to watch older movies. So, this is a lot of, here, you should watch this strange film that is not age appropriate or interesting to you

and then also being able to follow a lot of the mainstream movies but not seek out the cable movies on my own yet um and then also uh some heavy kids movies. Rob, 93. Were you alive, Rob? I was alive. I was coming into my own. Rob, you could be 52 or 26. So weird. Who's to say?

I was really figuring out who I was as a person in 1993. I was four years old. Okay. Big into Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Okay, which one? Which color? Look, you dabble. You flirt with the green Power Ranger life.

You come back to the red Power Ranger life. But ultimately, you have to accept at some point that if I'm in a podcast studio, I am the blue Power Ranger. That's who I am as a person. Which one am I? Couldn't tell you. Yeah, smart. You're wearing a gigantic green sweatshirt, though.

Despite whatever black joke you're trying to make right now, you're giving so much green. It's a very direct black joke. The dude danced in the credits. They made his brother break dance. It's all tangent. Have you spoken with Haim Saban about that? About the othering? I would love to.

The whole situation. But yeah, I'm sorry, Rob. Oh, no. Did not see a single one of these movies in the theater, needless to say. Was not hip to sliver in 1993. but yeah. I'm sorry, Rob. Oh, no, just did not see a single one of these movies in the theater, needless to say. Was not hip to sliver in 1993. And yet now, one of your favorites. We'll see.

Can I just jump in here? Yes, please. I was hip to sliver. Well, Chris, tell us more. Who were you, emotionally, physically? Well, I was in high school. I was, like, I guess sophomore to junior year here. You're so old.

Damn. Jesus Christ. Damn, Amanda. He's got a thing. I was like, I guess, sophomore to junior year here. You're so old. Damn. Jesus Christ. Damn, Amanda. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She's just saying that because this is the first time somebody's been like, I was four when she was nine. I'm so old. No, I was in high school.

I was just sitting around in my Quaker school hallways reenacting Wu-Tang skits from Enter the Wu-Tang, which dropped in 93. And I was really, really, really deeply falling in love with not just like what I was seeing on screen, but the world of movies. So reading about things that were coming out

of like nascent Sundance scenes or the Quentin Tarantino extended universe, or, you know, just finding out more about these movies. And it's funny, you guys ever talk to Bill Simmons? But if you talk to Bill and you're like, hey, remember what we talked about two days ago? And he'll be just like, no. But then he'll be like,

do you remember the February game between Boston and Cleveland in 1989 when this guy scored 12 points and he's like yes and then does the rest of the box score that's how I feel about 1993 movies like when I read this list I had like instant recall of almost every circumstance surrounding seeing it what I thought of it knowing without even looking at like the credits who directed it and who were like the third star was I was like oh yeah Steve Zalian, fucking Bobby Fischer, got that. I couldn't believe how that's still at my fingertips, but I can't remember what I did

last Thursday. You know what I remembered also? I remember the feelings. I was scrolling through the list, looking at the list of movies, and I passed by Posse. I just remember the feeling of Posse. I was like, yo, man, black young guns. I'm in. Big Daddy Kane, I'm there.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's because our, maybe not Rob's receptors, although they were open in a different way, but our receptors were really open to new experiences. And sometimes you would see a movie, I'll give you my example, on my birthday in the year 1993, we went, me and 10 friends went to go see Robin Hood, Men in Tights. One of the great days of my life. I'll never forget it. And exactly what Chris is

describing. I felt very closely. First time I ever saw Dave Chappelle and I was like, who's that? And I never forgot him. And I followed him very closely ever since then. Now it's been a complicated journey for us but at that moment i was like i'm latched on i was a little less latched on to carrie elwes honestly not didn't didn't click he was he was the man though because like he was like what was it what was the one with alicia silverstone where they're like he was the crush the crush yeah like there's so many he had a moment he had a little he had a little moment he definitely had a moment um but that also is a portal to mel brooks and then a certain kind of comedy which is very popular at that time in america um i think we were just ready to accept more you know now i think about my defensive crouch with movies and i'm like is this really going to be good i don't know i'm not so

sure at this time every movie was good batman, Mask of the Phantasm, absolutely. A Bronze Tale, yes. That movie is fantastic. Yeah. The Joy Luck Club, certainly. Forrest Whitaker's Strapped. They're all good movies. Remains of the Day, sure. I'm in.

I'm 11. I'm in. What were movies, though? Like, were they significantly different, Amanda? Do you think that they have changed a lot since this time? Absolutely. I mean, they were still the center of culture. I mean, and this really starts like the peak nineties. Again, we're all a little biased because we're at a formative age

at the time that movies are also just like, let me just give you everything. Let me give you like big budget action movies starring Harrison Ford. Let me give you romantic comedies. Let me give you the remains of the day, which is a merchant ivory film. Let me give you romantic comedies. Let me give you The Remains of the Day, which is a Merchant Ivory film. Let me give you all the weird shit that you guys watched on cable. But you could see everything and it all felt like slightly more accessible, I guess, that it wasn't weird to like to do different genres and to actually be at the movies every Friday night. I mean, having your birthday party at the movies. I did that as well. We had summer birthdays.

I don't know. I don't really think kids do that anymore. Is that a thing? Does anybody know? Do kids go to the movies for their birthday party? I do still to this day. I'm 40. We used to go there to the movie theater in Baton Rouge just to hang out.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like a Friday night thing to just go to the movie. Was it in the mall? Well, that was a huge thing. So at first they were in the mall. Okay. At first it was like there was a mall.

Balmarchais Mall had the movie. Balmarchais is gone now. It had the movies. And that's where my people went. So it was a whole situation. You would go there. And then they started building these standalone movie houses that became their own thing tinsel town and all these other joints of these huge mega movie plexus with stadium seating and all of that and it kind of changed

the experience a little bit but i remember watching films at this point and actually doing something that movies don't do to me as much anymore like i feel like filmmaking has become as siloed now as our conversations in society are in ways films are made to sort of um double down on narratives and conversations that we have on social media and that we have places like that during this time you you just, for me, at least like I would watch like searching for Bobby Fisher. Like I watched that movie all the time. That kid was nothing like me, but for some reason I felt exactly like him. I felt like I was in some way special and full of potential and that my parents were going back and forth, trying to legislate what it was to do with me.

And no one quite understood how to harness this weird sort of energy that I had. And I mean, I'm older now. I'm a 42 year old guy. I was 13 in 1993, but I just don't look at movies now in the same way. Like I'm in an era where I feel like the director is trying to say something to you and the film is about whether or not the creatives say what they're trying to say and not whether or not you experience any oneness with the film uh like sort of on its own you know what i mean for what it's worth though van i still think you're special i think you're still full of

potential thank you pretty much still rising i mean special. I think you're still full of potential. Oh, thank you. Pretty much. Still rising. I mean, I wonder if that's like a product of what you're describing socially because, you know, we were kids at this time, but movies were not these hyper overmanaged social experiences. They were casual. They were like a part of the kind of daily activity that sort of every Friday you would just go to the mall and then go to a movie and then come out and then get ice cream and then go home as opposed to now we're just going out to the movies requires more effort it's much easier to stay home the the style of

filmmaking i think in some ways you're very right about the way that movies are made and how they're kind of like projected at you instead of like projected to a broader scope and people are trying to come trying to decide whether or not they want to be entertained. It's interesting the way that something being at the absolute pinnacle of mass culture makes it easier to forgive its flaws and failures. There are a lot of very flawed

and failed movies that we're going to be like, this was my favorite movie of that year. Sean, there is something weird. I don't know if we'd ever be able to unpack this analytically, but why is it that bad movies from 1993 are so much better than bad movies from 2023? Because they're honest.

But why are 2023 bad movies like, I can't believe I have to sit through another 45 minutes of this. Because they're phony. Is it just bad special effects? I think that's how bad it is. They're actually made like total garbage.

We used to blow things up in this country. It's a really good question. I think part of it is the visuals are an aspect of it. You know, I was hanging out

on Letterboxd last night, you know, my favorite social media app, and I saw someone had logged the film Red Notice. You remember that movie from 2021 starring The Rock and Ryan Reynolds and Gal Gadot? Oh, yeah.

It certainly exists. It's a movie that came out and that 200 million people watched. And it's just an absolute dog. It is just one of the worst movies. It makes me so angry. They CGI'd them in front of the fucking Coliseum. What are you spending $200 million on? Like, buy a plane ticket.

Jesus Christ. I think that there's something about a movie like that being the inverse of an event that like it's you're being forced to accept that a movie is an event. And once you get a hold of it, you're like, this is a, this is a big nothing. Whereas the, I felt the opposite as a kid seeing movies in 1983, where I would walk in knowing very little about films and I would walk out and I'd be like, is that on the site and sound list? Like,

is that, you know, is, is, is the, you know, is Rudy going to be one of the great, consider one of the greatest films ever made.

I can't even, but I just, I'm weeping at Rudy. I like, we left and I was like, dad, can we vote for Notre Dame now? My dad was like,

absolutely not. He's like, no, no. I mean, that movie dominated my life. Amanda, you with Coke bottle glasses, sob not. No, he's like, no. I mean, that movie dominated my life for five years. Amanda, you with Coke bottle glasses, sobbing, saying, father, can we be fighting Irish fans? He must have been so distressed by that Tennessee fan that he is.

My dad had a, one of my dad's best friends went to Notre Dame and is a Notre Dame fan. So I was like, can we just be friends when it's all burning? We'd like go to Notre Dame games. And my dad was like, no. But it was very moving. Okay. Let's talk about the parameters of this draft a little bit. Five people is a lot to draft. We're going to have to

have some quickness with our movements, with our explanations. I don't want to linger too much on Box Office or the Academy Awards in this conversation because there's not a lot of movies eligible for our box office. And so this is going to be pretty challenging. There are only 13 films that cross the threshold of $75 million domestic that are eligible to be drafted.

Most of them are really great. Wait, you said 13 films? 13 films. How many of those are 1993 releases though? They're all 1993 releases. Really? Yeah. Because isn't like Aladdin on that though? They're all 1993 releases. Really? Yeah. Because isn't like

Aladdin on that list? No. Aladdin does not count. Oh, interesting. Okay. I would check the document right now. Look at Rob.

Yeah. Aladdin was released in 1992. I thought it was fewer than 13 to be honest. No, it's 13. And, you know, the Academy Awards also at this time,

obviously, it was only five awards for Best Picture. But we include every single category is eligible for Oscar nominee nominee so our six categories as usual are drama comedy oscar nominee action or horror blockbuster with the 75 million dollar threshold at the domestic box office and of course wild card how's everyone feeling about this you feel like you could do this like blind yes because really when i look at this draft

i have no thoughts and cares about actually putting together a good team of movies let's be real it's just like when i look at this i told you i've looked at some of these movies and it's gonna be so hard for me to pretend like I care more about the remains of the day or something like that. It's just like I look at the films and I'm so viscerally moved. I get excited when I see the little poster. Yep. I'm just going to draft my heart, baby. That's beautiful.

I'm just going to draft my heart. I love that for you. And I love that for us. That means more good movies for the rest of us, fans. I'm happy for you. What you guys are doing here is you're just bringing in friendship to this energy you misunderstood yeah do you i'm just enjoying some time with some cherished colleagues we were speculating about this because you two do have a beautiful thing i just want to say when i was i was on leave listening at home this beautiful friendship blossomed on the big

picture thank you for the content both of you van by the way we know i never got to say this in person national treasure i'm with you. I was like actually screaming in the car driving. Bobby, settle down. I have been meaning to text you about it, but I was there with you. It was absolutely insane. Anyway, so I did wonder, how would you fare in a competitive environment? You found this beautiful relationship in a different way. fare in a competitive environment? You know, you found this beautiful relationship. Love in a hopeless place.

Big picture. I think we're going to end up in a good place. Because last time, I bore my soul on the Nick Cage podcast. You did. And Van and Sean shut me down in a way that I still feel to this day. What was the movie that you loved? Pig. Oh, yeah.

I was kind of with them. But that's okay. It was good. I just want you guys to know i'm happy for your friendship but chris is absolutely riddled with covid and i will tear his soul out on this podcast i do not care i i simply do not care as much as i care for you how come you never talk about me and sean like that um you guys found each other because you guys this isn't the place of beauty. That's all of the trash episodes, which I love, but then I also need like a public response to. So, you know, it's a different kind of love.

Amanda, are you trying to win hard or are you Amanda-ing this draft? Why can't it be both? Is it every day that I'm Amanda-ing a win? Well, I was thinking about this as I was looking at the films. I was like, is there a way for Amanda to Amanda and also be dominate? Right. Because you're the lone woman on this panel. And this was a time when I think women were treated more fairly at the movies, honestly.

There was more to see. Sort of, yes. There were not as many female filmmakers. But I feel like movies were being made for female audiences directly. Let me just tell you right now. Whereas now I feel like

streamers make movies for female audiences. The Piano is definitely one of the movies that my dad sat me down and he was like, you're nine and you need to watch

the great filmmaker James Campion and this. It's important that you understand Harvey Keitel's torso. I was nine. Nine? I was nine.

Nine years old is tough for the piano. I know, I know. What did you think the piano was about when you were nine? I honestly thought it was about Anna Paquin winning an Oscar.

I think that I was just like, wow, look at her. She's young and she has a trophy. She's washing the trees. Yeah, that's what I took away. Sierra, you coming for the crown today? How are you going to play this?

It's going to be interesting. I don't feel like obviously I'm playing like a little bit hurt, but I'm also playing at a little bit of disadvantage. I love to read body language when I'm in the studio. I love to just get a sense, just like I can feel Amanda vibrate, and it's like we're playing in a jazz

combo, and I'm like, okay, now we're going to do this. That's beautiful. That's really nice. Thank you, Chris. But now I'm a little bit, I guess I feel like I'm inside my own head. That's why I pulled my hood up. I'm really focused. Maybe this will be good for me maybe i should just stay in this in this uh burbank hotel for the rest of my life that seems like a great idea yeah you who does not thrive in any social situation uh should we get to drafting yeah robert can we get a draft order

yes i'm not doing it the traditional way with the Scrabble tiles and a hat because I don't have Scrabble tiles for our additional opponents here. Ah, new letters. Our additional participants. You don't have a set? Did you just steal letters from a... I'm away from home right now. Oh, I see.

I do have a full set, but I'm away from home, so I didn't bring it all with me. So you guys are just going into a random.org list generator. Okay. I always feel like this is a little sketchy. I just don't trust you. Did you clear your cookies? This is the unidentified flying object.

The cookies thing is like, what do you think the cookies are doing? Putting you last? I never know, but I get asked about them on every damn website. You look way less trustworthy with the mustache. I agree. Oh. Less trustworthy? Yeah.

You look like you should be selling used cars in 1978. Okay, great. Well, Sean, you're going first, so I don't know if you want to take that back. See? I don't trust this. Come on! Chris is going second,

then Van, then Rob, then Amanda. You're on the turn, though. Okay. Whatever. Wow. This is just crazy. See, we're going back to 1993 gender politics as well. I was about to say, yeah, we just talked about how...

Vano's right. I don't trust the mustache now. It's just hard to trust them, man. Bob, I take it all back. You're my brother. You've always been my brother. Oh, boy. First overall pick, huh?

One of the great movie years of all time. We've been sitting on this year for some time. This is called The Vamp. I'm just vamping as I think about it. I never thought

in a million years I'd get the first pick. You didn't? You get first pick a lot. God damn it. We're in a show. On a show. That's not...

Is that true? I feel like first pick is obvious. Really? I know what my first pick would be. I know what my first pick would be. I mean, we all have it gamed out. We got our big boards, you know?

Except Sean. In Blockbuster, I'm taking Jurassic Park. Of course. I definitely like first pick. I'm so pissed. Jurassic Park is... Is this the most universally beloved movie among the five of us?

It's got to be close. I would say so. We put this very, very close to the very top of the Steven Spielberg rankings. We've talked about Spielberg a couple times on this show. This is kind of a life-changing movie.

And it changed movies. And it's just an absolute thrill ride. I re-watched it a couple years ago and I was like, still rocks. Still works perfect. Still looks beautiful. It's kind of incredible the way that...

It's amazing how much better this movie looks than every Marvel movie. And it was made 30 years ago. First of all. Yes. Yes. Let's not do that.

We're going to do that. We're doing it. Not the last time. You can't say that this movie looks better than Avengers Endgame. It just doesn't. Yes, it does. It doesn't look better. Are you kidding?

It doesn't look better than Avengers End it is in game looks like purple barf you guys are so fucked up by the way the anti-superhero agenda that goes down on this show has to be i talk to him i'm living my trip this is what i know who i am this is what i need you guys to do i need both of you i need a big pick midnight is what I need you guys to do. I need both of you. I need a big pic, Midnight Boys crossover. Okay. Where you guys are held, your feet are held to the fire. Wow. You want a tribunal.

I want a tribunal about this anti-superhero bias that exists on this show. I want to say this. Some of the greatest stories in the history of life. I say this with a lot of respect. I was out here caping for superhero pods when the Midnight Boys were in the womb. Wow. Okay say this with a lot of respect. I was out here caping for superhero pods when the Midnight Boys were in the womb. Wow.

See that? See that? I didn't say that you don't like commerce. I earned my discontent. I earned my discontent. The movie... Guess what?

I'm seeing the film Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania this eve. Well, I'll be there with you. Maybe it'll be great. Maybe not. I go in with my will. Thanks for the invite, guys. Because, man, I do do not like comic books but you know what i do like dinosaurs i love dinosaurs dinosaurs are great quick question

who here is excited about the film 65 starring adam driver oh yeah did you like adam driver's score space ad um i'm a fan of his broadly so I'm reluctant to shit on it what's up with that though like what are we what are we thinking is is behind Adam Driver's recent pivot to like

making a lot of money I think it's okay to want to make money right I think that's great but it was just like yeah I mean he's just like

Noah Baumbach's muse and now he's like it's important for me to do I guess he was Kylo Ren so what am I talking about right that's a good point that's a very guess he was Kylo Ren, so what am I talking about, right? That's a good point. That's a very good point.

Was Blockbuster a category for this? I think there's two right answers. Okay. And you picked one of the right answers. Okay, Chris. You got the number two pick. For my pick, I'm going to go with the movie

that probably had the most profound impact on me for the rest of high school, and that is Dazed and Confused in Kylo. Oh, nice. Shit. Good. I don't really have a lot to add to dazed and confused being basically the greatest American high school movie ever made launched the careers of, of Richard Linklater,

like sort of in a mass way after slacker is just one of the most rewatchable indelible movies in my life. I can quote it pretty much front to back. And every time I watch it, I see something new. I just adore this movie. Chris, you hit me up last night and you said, I don't remember anything about the days to confuse rewatchables. Was that a call to, to re-daze? Like what was, what were you thinking there? I would love to re-daze now that we're at 30. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure we could

find a lot of, a lot of new, new angles. It was just like, I was like, oh, did we ever do this for rewatchables? And it was yes, five, did we ever do this for Rewatchables? And it was, yes, five years ago and I have no recollection of doing it. So maybe I've had coronavirus for five years.

I don't know. Daisy Confused, great one. Everybody knock that off your list. You care about Daisy Confused? Yeah. Rob, you care about it?

I saw a pang of disappointment in Rob. Yeah. I mean, Richard Linklater is one of my favorite active filmmakers so losing this hurts a lot losing the vibes

hurts a lot I was really hoping for a good vibes pick out of the gate and Chris took it right out of my hands painful he paddled me

right on this podcast I stumbled onto it one day and just finished it I was like what is this it was like another thing that just came on cable I stumbled onto it

and I was like the movie's great did you see it another thing that just came on cable. I stumbled onto it and I was like, the movie's great. Did you see it in theaters, Chris? Yes, I did. I did not. I definitely saw it. I think I saw it on someone's VHS copy because it was a huge bomb. Like kind of a legendary bomb. But there was a lot of like for people of my age,

like the soundtrack, like there was like a basically like, it was marketed essentially to us with the smiley face poster and everything like that. It just felt instantaneously like a part of my life in a big way. Deeply iconic. Okay, who's got number three? That is me.

It's a no-brainer for me. I'm going comedy. I'm taking Groundhog's Day. Yeah. God damn it. Have to take Groundhog's Day. Yeah. God damn it. Have to take Groundhog's Day. One of my top 10 favorite movies of all time. Whoa.

Yeah. Yeah. Movie deeply, deeply touched my soul. I remember so many times just watching that, just alone and then with other people, trying to figure out so many different things about the movie. How long he was there, what the forces were behind it. I actually wrote a Groundhog's day prequel when I was in the ninth grade.

Okay. What was it called? I was like, I didn't know whether you were going to say three weeks ago or when I was like eight. And honestly, I would have been open to either. Both are valid.

Did you use final draft in ninth grade? No, it was a been open to either. Both are valid. Did you use Final Draft in ninth grade? No, it was a short story. It was a short story. It was called Punxsutawney. That's great. Yeah, it was a short story. Because I was trying to figure out what the mystical force was that made him continue to relive the day. Oh, wow.

So I expanded the lore. So you went sort of the sci-fi route? Right. It wasn't a character study? No. What were your findings? I wanted to... There was a...

It's not very woke, but there was a Native American... Okay. Oh, my God. Oh, God. You guys want to hear... I don't know if we can go into Punxsutawney, but there was a...

This is like a poltergeist style thing. Kind of. Where it's like, you moved the headstones, but you didn't move the bodies. You didn't move the groundhog body. To where here in this particular town, there was a sort of mystical aura that didn't let you leave without finding who you are. And all of the people in the town were there. They loved the simple life. So it wasn't a big deal to them.

But when he came in, whatever, I'm not doing this, because I'm just going to get enough to just destroy it. But here's the deal. We're not great, it's okay. Yeah, but I wrote this, and it was actually for an English thing. And she was like, Van. I remember she wrote on it, Van, this isn't an A, but you watch way too much television.

Like Miss Jones. But I just thought the movie birthed a genre of movies. Like, in a way, if not birthed, in a way, the time loop film kind of comes from this. And we've seen so many different movies use that in very effective, dramatic ways. It's just simply, to me, one of the most important comedies of all time.

And, you know third on my list or actually second on my list if i didn't get your ass apart so i'm i'm drafting um i'm groundhog's day but this is a perfect example of what makes this a great movie year is like and it's become in in stark relief in recent years where it's okay there's some good movies this is a year where there are three right off the top absolute masterpieces off the board if you have more than one of those movies you're doing something really right in a given calendar year and i think we could probably go argument for argument that there's two or three more three or

four more so we're we're in a good place i agree i kind of grouse a lot now that there are very few five star movies by my metric i agree that all three that have been taken thus far are five star movies which is why this is a fun draft okay who has number four it's Rob oh it's me yeah you do then I have the very rare and distinct pleasure

I've been listening to the podcast I've been I've been crunching tape I've been preparing for this moment don't do it I'm taking Sleepless

in Seattle oh damn oh my god oh shit yes oh oh oh shit look at him in Seattle. Damn. Oh, shit. Yes. Oh, shit. Look at him.

I can't believe it. I can't believe you had the nuts to do that. I'm so... Bro. Oh, my God. Honestly, honestly, I respect that. I honestly, like, no one else has the balls to sit right next to me to make lovely chat about, you know, our families and COVID protocols. And then calmly just take it away.

Honestly, good for you. That was a masterful. That was great. I had to do it. And honestly, look, as someone who walked into this movie as a cynic, who walked into it thinking, I knew the plot before I ever saw it.

You were four. Well, no, I mean... I don't believe in love, mommy! More recently as a cynic, I know the plot of the movie, and I'm thinking, how could it be possible that Tom

Hanks on the radio could make throngs of women fall in love with him? And within five minutes of that call, it's like, oh, I completely get it. I completely get this movie. I am mystified by its construction and how it works when they're never in the same scene together, and yet it's freaking magic. This movie is unbelievably charming for what it is. And I want to apologize too, because every time I hear Tom Hanks' Elvis accent now, part of my brain wants to do the, was Tom Hanks ever that good thing? And I want to apologize to Tom Hanks because God damn it, he's great. So let me also say, I'm really glad to hear you say this because I think I can say this now. Sleepless in Seattle is also this week's rewatchables, which I did with Bill and Juliet.

And I would say that ultimately is a positive experience, but it started with some friction. The friction continues on text message. But they, I felt, and I said this to them, were really underrating Tom Hanks. Oh, yeah. And Tom Hanks is absolute magic in this movie. And kind of without it, him selling this absolutely absurd premise, it doesn't work. Are we to the point in cynicism culture where we're relitigating whether or not Tom Hanks is an absolute badass on the screen? I'm not. He's great.

I'm not. He's number one forever. I mean. Yeah. They were more just very taken with meg ryan and i was like i have some notes about the hairstyle but you know it's fine it's a magic movie i just want to check in with you guys on tom hanks really quick show of hands how many people here have seen a man called auto only because you told me i didn't have to go to the theater meaning you did not see it no i'm gonna see it when it's available on vod you haven't seen it rob you haven't seen it, Rob. You haven't seen it. Chris, have you seen A Man Called Otto?

I have not. It was not available on my Virgin Atlantic flight. Unlike COVID, which was on offer. That film's made like $60 million and is one of the big hits

of the year so far. Sean, we have to address something. We didn't do this at the top. Have you been tracking Babylon's global box? Yeah. First of all, the at the top. Have you been tracking Babylon's global box? Yeah. First of all, the French showed up.

Did you see what the French did? Yeah. Yeah. They supported our guy. Everybody in France is currently on strike and at Babylon. Yeah. They're all dressed like Diego Calva. Right.

Sitting in their homes, buying 4Ks. God bless them. Unwatchable. Oh, get out of here. What? Oh, my God. Unwatchable. Oh, get out of here. What? Oh my God. Unwatchable. It's really great.

All right, add that to the list. It's not seafaring, but we're going to come back to it. Okay. Well, first of all, I love what you did there. Thank you. It was an impassioned defense of your appreciation for the film, but honestly, just in terms of gameplay, magnificent, especially in the week in which it was the rewatchables. But, you know, that's cold comfort.

You did get to talk about the film for two hours, right? This early this week. Okay. For the record, I'm going to take it in Blockbuster. I don't think I specified that. Smart. Amanda, you know, you still have a ton of amazing movies to pick from,

but did this, were you banking on that? Yeah, I was, but that's okay. Like I said, I respect it. And frankly, you animals never actually respect the good movies starring women. So thank you, Rob Mahoney. So I'm here for us. I resent that. I'm an ally.

Jesus. I knew this was a good idea. This is really good. Okay, so my first pick is a no-brainer. In action horror, I will be taking The Fugitive. Yeah. Which I think would have been, if I had first pick, I would have taken The Fugitive because I thought you would all take it. And I think it might be the best movie ever made.

Certainly the most 1993 movie ever made. Amanda, I have just a quick question. Yes. What's the name of the target? It's Dr. Richard Kimball. I once watched this on a plane, then signed up for ludicrously expensive go-go in-flight Wi-Fi to make sure that Tommy Lee Jones had in fact won an Oscar for this movie. All time supporting performance. I mean, and this is the classic. They don't make them like this anymore.

Probably the number one cable movie of all time. It was on non-stop. So good. They made the exact same movie again with Wesley Snipes. Yeah. Like the same movie, U.S. Marshals. Yep. Loved it.

All right. So that's The Fugitive and I'm doing that in action horror. So now I got to think through a couple of things i'm gonna be honest rob's a real wild card for me now in terms of picking things that i care about he's got a razor blade under his tongue with every pick yeah incredible stuff so those are five all-time classics. Like, movies that, certainly for our generation, we'll live on. Is everything that comes after this a little bit more compromised? Even ones we love. Not for me.

Not for me. You think there's still more all-time classics? Yeah, for sure. Okay. I think I have to go with my heart here and also because rob made a joke you really you got in my head congratulations you rattled me and you made a joke under your breath earlier and so i am drafting from the heart and in comedy i'm gonna take dave comedy getting thin already yeah, and that's why. Comedy is getting thin, and Dave is one of the most important movies of my childhood.

Had this on VHS. Have seen it thousands of times. It's a great romantic comedy, even though I think it's kind of thought under the rubric of comedy and or political comedy um Charles Grodin saving the homeless shelter and balancing the budget with some sauerkraut because he loves sauerkraut a perfect scene yeah kind of kind of foretold sleepy joe right sure yeah very similar vibes there um makes no sense and I love this movie but also i do think has lasting political implications and just in general celebrity implications like haven't you ever wondered are they pulling a dave right now yeah yeah but even more so haven't you ever wondered that how the country would look different if one of us was in charge yeah i'm just serious like the movie

i do that all the time the movie is classic in that they put a common man who like cares about people in charge and it takes him like zero time to fix some of the most intractable problems like in american politics do you buy that no but it's sort of this capra-esque view of Americana that especially at that age when I'm 13 at that time 14 at that time that I see the movie

that you want to believe in yeah also this plus two years later American President which I know Van we were on rewatchables

together is another lodestar for you and it really those two together it's just like what if we had some good people in

the office they could just make it work i sent an exciting new ticket for the republican party i feel like you guys have a lot to offer us you have my vote okay two strong picks i love dave you know i love dave i know we did that rewatchables together um okay rob you're up back with another gut shot how can you wound van or chris or myself i mean i think i have to be strategic just we have so many people i'm a little worried about what's going to be left when i sling back here so i feel like i have to hit an oscar movie now i'm going to take schindler's list in oscar okay um you know not a fun breezy movie to talk about by any stretch but it's a movie that I think before I saw it,

I suspected would be more important than it was good. And it is incredible. It's difficult. It's beautiful. And for a three-hour movie about some of the most complicated and trying subject matter imaginable

is incredibly watchable. The performances are so great. The score is off the charts. And the fact that Spielberg can find anything in this movie that is funny, and he does pretty consistently, is kind of a miracle. It's just so masterfully done, I can't leave it on the board

any longer. Did they show this to you guys in school? No. They didn't. They showed this at your school? Yeah, they showed this to us two years in a row, actually. In a European history, and then an American history. That's wild. Which was pretty crazy. I mean, it was, you know years in a row, actually, in a European history and then an American history. That's wild. Which was pretty crazy. I mean, it was, you know, obviously a tremendously intense movie, but a total masterpiece.

We're still going through masterpieces. Is Dave a masterpiece, you think? Is it a five-star movie? Yeah, it's a comedic masterpiece. Come on. So is that eight consecutive masterpieces? Think about if they released Dave now, we would lose our minds. That's true.

Three weeks of pods about Dave. We would just be like, wow, they made a studio comedy. The Frank Langella episode. The Kevin Dunn episode. Okay. Schindler's List. Strong pick. CR? Bro, I'm in the layup line right now.

No, no, no, no, no. It's Van now. Oh, I'm sorry. Van. Wow. Okay. Easy one. Menace to Society. Yeah. Okay. And drama. If I don't,'t first of all if i leave without picking the movie i you know obviously can't go back uh go back go back where whatever to the higher learning so literally though a film that was so daring and so brave in so many ways. Right.

First of all, when you, when you view the film, just in the term, the times of the, the, in terms of the times that we were living in, obviously this was a whole Renaissance of the growing up in the hood movie.

Right. That kind of got started with boys in the hood, boys in the hood does this thing where That kind of got started with Boys in the Hood. Boys in the Hood does this thing where there is a character that's trapped in the middle of this situation in South Central LA, and he is unsullied by it at the end. He gets out of the car at the right time. He doesn't allow himself to fall into criminality

and into all of this sort of, the realities of where he comes from. And men's society doesn't even try to do that. They take Cain and they put Cain in the middle of that. You watch Cain kill, you watch Cain sell drugs, and it asks, can you still care about him even though he wasn't virtuous enough to beat back the realities of where he grows up. You see that he wants better. You see that he's trying, but you see that he's failing. You know what I mean?

And at the end, you lose him. The movie is so much more affecting than Boys in the Hood in a lot of different ways. I hate to compare them. But also, it leaves you with this sobering sense of reality. And I just think that when we all saw it, we just were not prepared

for the Hughes brothers to take us there. Like, we weren't. Like, there's so many... I've seen the movie dozens of times and I want Kane and Sharif to survive every single time I see the movie, and they don't.

Who survives? O-Dog. The killer of the group. It was just too real, too well done. Jada Pinkett, obviously. Tyron Turner. I don't know why I'm blanking on O-Dog right now. You gotta say Lawrence Tate.

Lawrence Tate. Yeah, Lawrence Tate. Honestly, one of those performances, too, where you're just like, that's probably how people felt when they first saw James Caan. I was thinking of John Cazale, yeah. Yeah, it's just like,

one of those like, with him in the convenience store, right? Yeah, he's on fire in that movie. And right away, they do something so fucking crazy that you're like, yo, man, who are these kids? You know what I mean? But just very few movies in the history of film

have affected me or my group of friends as much as this film has. So I could not not have it. It doesn't pull a single punch, the whole movie. And I've never recovered from the experience of watching it to be honest with you like it will stick with you forever and the opening scene is masterful incredible hits you right in the gut but the scene where kane visits pernell in prison yeah i mean i might tear up here just sitting like like the

the way it's shot the grace of that character and, and letting Kane try to have some kind of life, even at the expense of his own relationship with his child and with J.D. Pinkett Smith's character. It's an unbelievable movie. You know what's crazy about that scene? I visited prisons. I visited Angola. All of my uncles in prison and stuff like that. Having to try to take like life advice from, it's just, it's so real.

Especially when you get to a certain age, you get eight or nine and it's like, you go visit your uncle in prison and it's kind of a situation to where it's like, ah, it's my uncle. I've seen you in all of these pictures and I've never really met you or hugged you. I see you in all of these pictures.

Hey, but then you get to like 13 or 14 and you're like are you really should you really be telling me what it is i need to do like should you really do i really need to listen to you and kane was in that same situation and i'm like god damn then your dad says no listen to him because if anybody can tell you what not to do it's him but just But just a brilliant movie. Brilliant movie. About 10 years ago at Grantland, Tom Golanopoulos reported a piece about Tyron Turner that's basically just like, what happened to this guy? Like, he should have been such a huge, huge star, and it never really happened.

It's a really good piece if people haven't checked that out. Great pick. Classic after classic. CR, you got more classics? Yeah, let's do Oscar nom, and let's do The Firm. Damn it. I mean, I knew that I was... If you're going to take The Firm,

then you got to tell us what she found. Do you want me to go down to the mailbox looking for my red book? There we go. And what do I find? Heartbreak. Heartbreak, Mitch. Did you,

is it true that you got into free form gymnastics after seeing this film? And Cruz's work on the sidewalks? I've been known to just bust out some cartwheels now because of the Mitch McDeer. This movie is incredible. Sidney Pollack. It's one of my favorite Tom Cruise performances. The ensemble goes like a baker's dozen deep. Like off the top of my head,

Holly Hunter and David Strathairn and Gene Hackman and Hal Holbrook and Wilford Brimley. And it's just like just absolutely gonzo cast. Just a bunch of really like amazingly talented old hands had a pass at the script.

The music is beautiful. The setting with like the Memphis like vibe that it conjures is really great. And this is just like a what two hour plus legal thriller that barely ever steps foot if at all in a courtroom uh and is mostly about faxing and uh looking at telephone records and it's just a perfect movie like it is i've seen this movie like a thousand times i can't even imagine how many times i've watched it and it ever gets old.

Do you remember this rewatchables that we did? I do quite, quite vividly. Yeah. That was a fun one. We've done rewatchables of like 11 of the films that we've talked about thus far. Uh, speaking of,

we did a rewatchables of the film that I'll be choosing, which is true romance, which is my second favorite movie of 1983. This is, uh, I think Tony Scott's for me, masterpiece in part because he's working with a script from a young quentin tarantino and one of the greatest uh what do you what are you rolling your eyes

don't say shit you love true romance do you not like true romance love true okay uh the tarantino narrative on this podcast what's wrong with it it's it's it's it's it's nothing. I feel like you guys are a little... You think we're in the pocket of Big QT? I've been that way since I was 11 years old. The facts are, the first... I think I actually saw this movie

before Reservoir Dogs because Reservoir Dogs... I was 10 when it came out. Certainly could not see that film in movie theaters. I'm sure I saw this first, then Reservoir Dogs, then Pulp Fiction,

or maybe Pulp Fiction, then Reservoir Dogs. But I just never seen anything like it. Never seen a script quite like this. Never seen characters like this. A big part of it is when you're a nerdy kid who reads comic books and likes kung fu movies

and likes hip hop, and you see a movie like this, you're like, wow. That is Clarence. You just want to show Patricia Arquette Spider-Man number one. Yes. That's what you're saying. I mean, all you want to do is meet in Alabama, and all you want to do is go to Hollywood. I mean, you know, there's so many parts about this movie that I'm really connected to. Also, just the iconic Christopher Walken, Dennis Hopper showdown sequence. Legendary.

Fan thoughts? Whatever. No, it's a cool-ass scene. The whole movie is just, like, it, it, it's a cool ass scene. Like the, the whole movie is just like dripping with cool. Yeah. Like dripping with cool. The,

the, the cops at the end and the failed raid and Brad Pitt shows up for one scene. Yep. You know what I mean? It's like, you got Michael Rappaport when he was still doing that thing. Doing that thing. This is also where the Saul Rubinick overacting award comes from, right, Chris?

That's right. Stab me in the heart. Yeah, I treated you like a son. I love this movie so much. So I'm happy to take that in drama. Okay. And then I'm going to take that in drama okay and then I'm gonna take

an Oscar nominee in the line of fire whoa alright you really fucker god damn that

I knew I'd get under Chris's skin a little bit with that and also just an amazing movie shout out to Wolfgang Peterson the late great who directed this film

one of the great thrillers of its era features obviously a sturdy performance from Clint Eastwood as a secret service agent who was present for the assassination of one of our great men and failed to act. And he is now trying to make sure that history does not repeat itself. He has posed against in one of the all-time villain performances, John Malkovich, who is absolutely amazing in this movie. Oscar nominated for his performance in this movie. This movie was a huge hit. If you go down the line of the people who contributed to this movie, cinematography by John Bailey, former president

of the Academy, edited by Anne V. Coates, who cut Lawrence of Arabia, music by Ennio Morricone. This is the fucking hitters team. Just absolutely killer all the way down the line. It's an amazing thriller, really fun movie. Perfect artifact of the 90s too. It makes sense for you too because this is a big time dad movie. Big time. Clint spends the whole movie

telling young people what's what. That's it. That's the plot. Yeah. Very relatable as I dominate here on this podcast. Okay. CR, back to you.

God, I'm a little bit thrown right now. Trying to decide between like, I don't want to have too much of a duplicative list. I'm vamping. I feel like I got to do it because I got to get this one done. I got to get a blockbuster and I'm going double Grisham.

Christopher. Christopher. What did you get? Don't make me fucking come to Burbank. And I'm going to go Pelican. Christopher. Christopher. What did you get? Don't make me fucking come to Burbank. And I'm going to go Pelican Grief. Yes! I offer to bring you food. I feel so sorry for her.

And I'm not bringing you food now. Wow. Are you fucking kidding me? I feel so sorry for her. This is such a tough job. Rob can do that. You don't get to do that. This was a partnership based on trust you don't even

like this movie like you're every time i talk about it you're like yeah yeah yeah oh no i watched this movie like two or three times with my mom over the last year and a half because of just like she just loves watching these john grisham movies and i was just like this one's actually probably dramatically and like in terms of of the human element of it, almost more moving and deeply felt than The Firm in some ways. The Sam Shepard, Julia Roberts stuff in the beginning is great. Denzel is incredible in this movie. Denzel is so good and so handsome.

I don't know why. Why do you think this doesn't have as big of a reputation as The Firm? The Firm is much better. It's not as fun. The Firm is way more fun. Pelicanirm is much better. It's not as fun. The Firm is way more fun. Okay. Pelican Brief is good.

It's from one of my favorite directors ever. I still think it's a little long. Yeah. You could shave 20 minutes off of it. It's a little long. You know what? It takes a little while

to solve the assassination of just two Supreme Court justices and also Sam Shepard's murder. They also did not let Denzel and Julie Roberts fuck. What the hell is going on?

No, they fuck with their eyes in that hotel scene, okay? It was a different time. It was. And everybody was kind of waiting for it, and they were like, nah, not quite yet. Okay? Great Louisiana movie, though. I love it.

Great Louisiana movie. I also want to point out, as the NBA person on this podcast, Julia Roberts puts a Knicks hat on in the middle of this movie when she's trying to go into hiding. Immediately, people start dying. Her plan plan blows up she ends up sobbing yeah that is yeah it's good followed shortly thereafter by John Starks's NBA finals performance coincidence I think not art imitates life or life imitates art you tell me um Chris what category? That was for Blockbuster. Well, that's rough. Van is up next. I'm going to another movie I have to have.

And it is incredibly culturally relevant. I'm going for this in Oscar nominees. I'm going with What's Love Got to Do With It? I've never seen my mother more distraught. It's just, it was, she, like,

my mom came out of the movie, she had been through a 12-round emotional fight. All right? Now, film is a biopic that kind of basically, Angela had been around before,

but this is her big star turn. Lawrence Fishburne had been around for a long time, long time, doing great work. But this is a movie, to me, that kind of put these people on, these two performers on the Hollywood A-list, if you ask me. And really, to me, the first time that I had been moved by a biopic. Because the Tina Turner that I knew growing up was big hair tina turner rock you know she was in mad max and you know i was like hey tina turner blah blah and just kind of seeing a life start from nutbush tennessee and her be with this guy and sort of seeing domestic

violence portrayed like this and seeing the whole the character and like the fact that they were, just was so raw what was going on. Another movie that kind of pulled no punches and just, it's a staple,

a staple. I have to do it. So an Oscar nominee, I think she was nominated for Best Actress. I think he was nominated for Best Actor. Neither one of them won,

but you know. You think she's going to win this year? I hope so? I hope so I hope so It was a great performance But it's a weird year For the Academy for me man

In a lot of ways Maybe we'll discuss that Maybe we will Later on this podcast Yeah maybe we will talk about it Maybe we will In 100 meters turn right Actually no

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A lot of just like deeply memorable and remembered movies thus far. Can we get to the end with one weird pick? We have not had a weird pick yet. Rob, the floor is yours. You tell me if this is a weird pick. I'm going to take shortcuts. No. Drama.

Robert Altman. again, another masterpiece. Basically eight domestic dramas unfolding at the same time with as stacked a cast as you'll ever find. I knew this movie had the goods when Robert Downey Jr. wakes himself up with a fart. I was like, they got it. We're here. Lily Taylor plays Lily Tomlin's daughter.

Are you kidding me? I can't imagine a movie that would be more for me than this where everyone is kind of relatable in their domestic struggles, but also kind of insane, which makes them more relatable. I'm into it. I love this movie. Great movie. This is, I think, the first film that he makes after his big The Player comeback.

And he's fully just back to Robert Altman's multiple Oscar nominations for this movie. Adapted from the short stories of Raymond Carver, who, did Bill reveal to us recently that that was his favorite writer, Chris? When did that, didn't something like that happen? Yeah, I think so, right? And we were both like, what?

It sounds familiar. Yeah, I do remember this. I was like, that's great. I love it too. On the rewatchables, yeah. Yeah, that was exciting. Is he into shortcuts? We haven't done that on the rewatchables. I don it too yeah that was exciting um see any shortcuts we haven't done that

on the rewatchables I don't think you think Bill's seen shortcuts I've never seen it it's very good you gotta check this movie out

it's interesting it's like a collision movie where like all the different you know you've seen Magnolia yeah you'll never look at it the same way again it's kind of

hard you'll lose a little respect for Magnolia when you see shortcuts even though I love Magnolia to be fair apparently PT basically told Altman like I just rip you

off all the time and you watch this movie and it's pretty clear. Is it like Grand Canyon? Not super racist so that's a waste. I rewatched Grand

Canyon during COVID and I was like well what? Okay. Chris? No. No. I'm sorry Amanda you're up. Everybody's been taking your movies I feel like your spot is getting skipped. okay Chris no no I'm sorry Amanda

you're up everybody's been taking your movies I feel like you're skipping so right now I'm just trying to put my life back

together because I no longer know Chris Ryan so that's tough for me this is like bizarro Chris though it's dark Chris

with the COVID yeah well it's just gonna I don't know I don't know how he's gonna earn that trust back i'm not historically a forgiving so you guys can team up to cheat against me in the future we don't cheat certainly not now um i i think i'm just gonna have to be amanda on this so an oscar nominee i'm gonna take the age of innocence which is uh martin scorsese's

adaptation of the edith Wharton novel. I sort of think it's Scorsese's most underrated movie. It stars Daniel Day-Lewis, Michelle Pfeiffer, Winona Ryder. Beautiful, beautiful movie about longing and also messed up etiquette rules. Is it late 1800s? Early 1900s?s i don't know those people had a lot of time on their hands uh beautiful movie and then i gotta get a blockbuster this was in my wild card and is true to my essence so i'm gonna go with indecent proposal yeah yeah my guy andrew line my guy robert redford um yes posed with the circumstance yes robert redford approaches you yes you say what is he offering

a million dollars yeah i mean he doesn't really have to that's the one note on this movie is like who really needs to be paid that said your. You're a wife and a mother. Yeah, it's Robert Redford. This is why you. Unlike Bill Simmons who has just taken out an anti-Redford campaign on the rewatchables. You're pro.

You remain pro. I'm really pro. CR, Redford approaches you. I want to do it with you, Chris. And I'll give your wife a million dollars. You got to do it the way you did it

just now where you did the Charlie Rose. And you say what? For Redford? I mean, he wouldn't have to pay. You know what I mean? That is true.

That's the only note. But this is obviously also- I would just do it for the content. Yeah. Would you do it if he would agree to a pod interview

immediately post-coital? That's right. Would you put some khakis on afterwards? Let's just do like a long sneakers rewatchables together. I love sneakers. Who doesn't? This is also directed by Adrian Lyon,

which, you know, one of the greats. Do you like Demi? It's so interesting. On rewatchables, Bill brought up Demi as like a possible recasting for sleepless in seattle and which i think we all agreed wouldn't really work but i i just missed the demi moment in in movie going for whatever reason like it starts a little bit earlier in the 80s and obviously you missed striptease i didn't miss it i i'm i'm

congratulations that's 14 but believe it or not like that is not the one that they sat me down to watch instead they were like amanda here is the piano you know and with the big glasses i like i'm just striptease was my the piano let me tell you past our childhood every day you know me included but i saw ghosts obviously and that was really important but like to me just doesn't loom every day, you know? Me included. Huge moment. But I saw Ghost, obviously, and that was really important. But, like, Demi just doesn't loom as large in my mind as I think she does for people, like, five years ahead.

That said, support her choices in this movie. Can I ask you a question about this movie? Yeah. Do you think the ending is, like, a little bit of a cop-out in terms of...

Of course, yeah. Like, Redford not being cynical and cold to the end. Yes, it is. Is this Adrian Lyne's best movie? No. Does it involve Robert Redford just, like, wearing immaculate suits

and throwing money around and looking great as, like, a... I guess he would... Like, a golden fox? Is that what... You know, the hair is still beautiful. An amber fox? Amber, yeah.

A fox. It caused so much ruckus in my house. I bet. Just caused so much ruckus in my house. You know, walk in, my mom and her sister are sitting down watching the movie, and all you hear is... This is why you could take it in horror. It's about if Robert Redford takes an interest in your spouse. And my dad is trying to parent. You know what I mean?

He's looking at me like, son, everybody thinks that they that man, but really they that man. And it has Oliver Platt, who I love in every movie that he shows up in. This is just a bunch of mess. A bunch of mess. It is a messy movie. Okay, Rob. This is tricky now. A lot of these categories

are looking pretty sparse all of a sudden. I'm going to do a comedy. Okay, this probably is a weird pick. I'm going to take Adam's Family Values in comedy.

This is a great movie. This is a weird pick. No, I think this is a great movie. Have you seen this, Chris? No. You were too old when this came out. I probably was. This movie straight up plays even better now than it probably did in 1993.

It's funny. It's very funny. Holly Hunter is a perfectly valid winner for Best Actress, but why did we not give it to Angelica Houston for this movie? She is perfect. Every line delivery is great. The movie is razor sharp. I'm all for it.

I would argue that it's Christina Ricci who should win for this movie. Interesting. Christina Ricci is iconic. Setting the summer camp on fire. She is. The Thanksgiving dinner and then the setting it all blaze

is amazing stuff. It was notable. There's like at the summer camp, Camp Chippewa, aka America's foremost facility for privileged young adults. There's a cocious young go-getter named Amanda.

And I was like, I don't know. There's something going on here. Thank you. Yeah. Amanda, she guttered just desserts in that film,

as I recall. Was she burned at the stake? I have no comment about that. Amanda's so mad. It's laser beams. Chris, I will say, about that. Man, he's so mad. It's laser beams at me. Chris, I will say, if you were 11 like I was when this came out,

you were like, this movie's pretty fucking cool. Barry Sonnenfeld. This was his last film before Get Shorty, a movie I love. Okay. I love Get Shorty.

It's a great movie. Yeah. Van, you're up. Okay, so I'm going to go wild card. Already? Yeah. Seems completely unnecessary, but all right. Sometimes you need I'm going to go wild card. Already? Yeah. Seems completely unnecessary, but all right. Sometimes you need to do it to get what you want.

I just want to choose a movie that I have to have just for the cool factor. I want people to look at me and go, Van is into it. Van is with it. Van is one of us. So I'm going to choose a movie that just missed blockbuster but is literally one of the coolest movies ever made i'm on the edge of my seat here tombstone is this 1993 it is yeah oh wow how did it how did it get this far because because i it's like it's like a weird genre call where it's like do you put it in action? Where does it fit?

Interesting. Or do you put it in drama? December 24th, 1993. Wow. Tombstone. Didn't have this on my radar. Amazing pick. I take back everything I said about the wild card. I'm going to choose Tombstone.

All right. Let me tell you what I like about Tombstone. It fucking kicks ass. How about that? Yeah. How about the fact- That's legit that that that tombstone is one of the most watchable re-watchable amazing movies ever i'll be your huckleberry i was literally listening to

whack 100 who i don't know if you guys know who that is yell at somebody on clubhouse this morning and he said it literally i was listening to youtube and he said i'll be your huckleberry this is a la gangster talking to somebody on clubhouse saying i'll be your huckleberry val kilmer role of a lifetime role of a lifetime coughing hacking tb sanitarium doesn't matter shoot you in the head yeah michael bean doing word association shoot you in the head boom it's a it's a good double feature with menace to society it has a lot in common with menace to society it does it does outlaws now you know later on there was wyatt and i'm a wyatt fan it's like seven hours long. It's long.

And it's... It's good. It's a good movie. I'm a Wyatt Earp fan. But this movie is in my Young Guns Rock Western Party Pack. Silverado, Young Guns 1 and 2, Tombstone. That's the Western Young Party Pack. I'm into it. Tombstone, baby.

Van, I've never seen this movie. You got to rectify this, man. This is a good one. See, when I was trying to figure out what blind spots I should plug for this podcast, and I put out the net, I was asking people for recommendations. What I heard consistently about Tombstone is, it's kind of lame. No. Tombstone is lame?

That's what I got back. You were led astray you were led astray my friend alright this is a banger my favorite thing about this movie is that it's

George P. Cosmatos is identified as the director but it's pretty well understood that Kurt Russell just directed this movie wow

he just like took over on the sixth day and was like I got this and proof is in the pudding he's the man okay

so CR you've got another pick is it to me now yes okay um for what i gotta do drama here i've got action and i've got wild card for drama i'm gonna go uh i'm gonna go drama i'm gonna take carlito's way i was i'm not sure which i wasn't sure which place to slot this in genre-wise, but this obviously, Al Pacino playing a Puerto Rican gangster might

not happen in 2023, but when it did, it was excellent. This is Brian De Palma's New York crime epic about a veteran gangster returning from prison, coming back to his old stomping grounds and trying to get out of the criminal life, but getting as Al Pacino often does pull back in. Also stars Sean Penn as Dave Kleinfeld, Carlito's attorney with just an amazing bit of commitment to thinning hair,

which I really appreciated. Just some audacious De Palma sequences in this and just a fantastic New York crime movie. Where is this for you on your De Palma rankings? Deaf top 10, maybe like top 5, 6?

I'd have to think about it. What do you think? It's in the top 10. Top 10 De Palma? Top 5 De Palma? Where's Femme Fatale? 13. That's a guess. I don't know. That's very specific.

He's written like 33 films, so it's hard to say. I like Femme Fatale. It's okay. Carlito's Way is stronger, in my opinion. Great script. It's much better.

Really good script. And the great, the tracking sequence in the subway. Do you remember that, Amanda? You know, where he's being pursued and then the train follows I'm speaking to Rob and Van because

they're nice people what did I do to you Rob got it started yeah but I respect Rob and I

like I respect the standing up to me he took a stand Chris you know it was the coward's way it was mean spirited and then he couldn't

even come in person. Couldn't even do it in person, Chris. And, you know, once I'm angry, I'm just angry at Sean. You know? It's an organized and critical. Completely unearned and absolutely bizarre behavior from you, but it's noted. For me, I've got two picks.

Just delighted. In action and horror, this is a no-brainer. I'm taking Cliffhanger. Cliffhanger, one of the all-time action bangers of the 90s. Also recently revisited this one, directed by the great Rennie Harlan. Maybe not so great if you look at his filmography,

but to me, he's always been great. This movie was recently featured on the Rewatchables. Cutthroat Island. Cutthroat Island, not a strong film. Last Kiss and Good Night. I like that movie a lot so this is Sly

in his bag doing his absolute best in the face of preposterous over performances by Michael Rooker and John Lithgow I love everything

that they're up to in this movie I have no idea what's going on in that fight sequence between Leon and Sly Stallone in the cave

but Sly does let himself basically get beat, which is something you never see on screen. That's when someone gets gored on a stalagmite. Correct. Or is it stalactite? Is it top? Which direction are they going?

You clearly have the most information here. You know this, Chris? No, because I used to rock out at Crystal Caverns, I think it was. It's like the suburban Philadelphia cave. And I used to know this Rob. Is that like a sex dungeon? What is that, Chris?

We had one of those on the border of Tennessee and Georgia called Ruby Falls. What is this? Yeah. You can tell Amanda's really mad at me because she wants to engage in this cave discussion, but she's just not. I'm not making eye contact. I'm just like talking to the other people. Yeah.

You would just like shimmy through the caves and then, you know, you had to avoid some of the things that are growing down and some that are growing up. I don't know.

Wait, what? I don't know. Y'all going to a cave? Yeah, Ruby Falls. Why? At least, it was like a tourist attraction.

This was before the descent came out, Van, so it wasn't a different time. Everybody knows what I'm thinking. I'm going to the caves'm thinking. I'm going to

the caves for fun. I'm going to select comedy now, okay? I'm taking So I Married an Axe Murder. Oh, I love this movie.

This is on my backup. This is very, very high on the movies I've seen the most from this year. Really? You know,

9, 10 is around the age you get really excited about Saturday Night Live. I, of course, was completely in on the Wayne's world phenomenon, uh,

closely following Mike Myers. When I saw this movie, I was like, I didn't know you could play multiple characters. Like I didn't know who Peter Sellers was. I didn't know, like, I didn't know that was a thing you were allowed.

I was like, wow, this is the first time anybody's ever done this. I had no idea. Eddie Murphy had done it. Like I didn't know anything. And I was blown away by his performance as like an 80 year old Scottish grandfather that character is so funny

that lives in my heart this is a very silly movie but very very fun do you guys remember what Mike Myers's character's job was in this film I do not doesn't he just like

volunteer at the world of meats with the butcher does he have a previous job? Well, he's a poet. Oh, he's like a beat poet. He's like a beat poet. Oh, that's right. Oh, that's it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa, man. Incredible stuff. This was also in that great era of MTV doing a movie special whenever a movie came out. So it was like, they come out and they do a 30-minute little movie special to promo the movie.

So he came out and he hosted it and I was like, God, I can't wait to see that. It's like that whole era. It was a great time. Really great time. Anthony LaPolle,

Charles Grodin, Amanda Plummer, Nancy Travis, murderers row of people that you cared about in 1993 and maybe less so now. But this is why I took Adam's Family Values.

It's like, Saw I Married an Axe Murderer isn't even my favorite movie from this year about a black widow type serial killer woman who marries her husband on their wedding night right like somehow both of those movies are about this yeah that's true that's true um okay CR it's back to you uh for action I'm gonna go with Robert Rodriguez's El Mariachi uh so this was a personally like really fun one for me because this was right around

the time so you're getting like this sort of wave of the Linklaters and the Tarantinos and the Soderberghs are still working and they came out

of Sundance and this was back at a time where you could maybe essentially self-finance a movie for like maxing out your credit card

and then get it seen and get it into theaters and like this was when genre movies like this were coming out with a relative... There were relatively regular occurrences, but they would be playing in the art houses. So for people who don't know, I'm sure most people listening to this podcast do know, but Robert Rodriguez essentially made this movie by himself,

I think on 16 millimeter and was just like, I'm going to give myself the opportunity I can't get from anybody else, which is to write and direct and shoot and edit my own film, which is about a traveling mariachi musician who gets mistaken as a hitman, if I'm remembering the exact blog line correctly. But what you really need to know is that the kinetic energy of throwing the camera across the street and basically engineering his own stunts and everything like that, it kind of reminds you of when the Coen brothers were making Blood Simple and stuff in the beginning where they were just like, we're going to do everything ourselves and it's going to look

better than every other movie. This is a really awesome time capsule movie but it's actually still a pretty enjoyable watch great pick um this movie led to desperado which also changed my life uh for a variety of reasons fantastic i'm not i'm look i'm not it always you guys always make me out to be that guy so i'm not gonna do it what guy talking about guy who appreciates cinema. Fantastic. Van, you're up. What categories do I have left? Action, horror, and blockbuster. Okay. So, look, I know that my action horror pick is going to be there because you guys just aren't cool enough to pick the movie. Wow.

What an indictment. It's just not going to happen. So, but I'm getting super thin on blockbuster because it has to be 75 domestic right correct can't be worldwide can't be worldwide okay so i have to go with a few good men a few good men is released in 1992 i'm very sorry to say uh are you sure about that would you like i there's only two things i know in life and that i I'm never, it's one, I'm never speaking to Chris Ryan again. And two, A Few Good Men was released in 1992. All right, well, I'm getting, oh, never mind.

Can I share with you the four films that are remaining? No, no, no, because I have one on my list. Is Mrs. Doubtfire still available? It is available. Okay, so I'll choose Mrs. Doubtfire because I was going to do Mrs. Doubtfire. Can I tell you something very quickly about Mrs. Doubtfire? This was the number two film at the U.S. domestic box office for 1993 releases and made $220 million. It's just very good.

It's a fun movie. It's peak Robin. I had it as second in comedy to Groundhog Day. What? Over Dave? This isn't even a good comedy year, but that's wild. Mrs. Doubtfire is an incredibly, you know what? You don't know.

You don't know. Why would I? This movie's not good. Why would I argue this with you? It's not good. What does this mean to you when I say this to you? Hello. It means I want to walk out of this studio and watch 15 better Robin Williams movies.

I'm a raptor doing what I can. Going to eat everything before the appearance of man. Yo, yo, see me. I'm living beneath the soil. I'm coming back, but I'm coming as oil. That's the rap to rap from Mrs. Southfire. That was good. Wow.

That was very good. You guys don't remember that part? No. I do. I was that committed to memory. No, it was a great movie. Hairy chest of Pierce Brosnan. Incredibly important.

Yeah. I want to know everything about that pool club. How can I join it? Just a movie about a family. You know, I loved it. It's a great movie. Everybody, everybody dug it. I don't know anybody besides you who doesn't like Mrs. Doubtfire.

It's a thing. It made a lot of money. Then do a single thing for me, Van. I'm sorry. It is my generation's Kramer versus Kramer. So I essentially don't categorize it as a comedy because it's too child of divorce for me, a child of divorce.

Oh, wow. Yeah. But- There are some very sad scenes. It's really- Super sad. Really sad. Yeah.

I won't have you be smirching the film on this podcast. I'm just saying that right now. Although, Robby, we do have a pick right now. In action horror, I'm going to take Demolition Man. Fuck! Wow. Wow. I take it that we may have outflanked you, Van.

Yeah. Oh, boy. May have found the trigger point. This movie. It comes first off, Van. I'm sorry. Honestly, earlier when you were, I can't remember which movie it was that you were man I'm sorry honestly earlier when you were I can't remember

which movie it was that you were introducing as being like very prescient I thought you were going to pick Demolition Man then because we

we almost live in it I didn't think anyone here was going to pick Demolition Man I gotta be honest with you I was almost certain

I was certain I thought Tombstone was the one I was going to have to grab and so that's why I grabbed for Tombstone shit this movie it kind of like backdoored its way into being a Tombstone was the one I was going to have to grab. And so that's why I grabbed for Tombstone. Shit! This movie, it kind of like backdoored its way into being a five-star masterpiece a little bit.

It's ridiculous. It's over the top. You don't know shit about No Demolition, man. I should be able to choose it. Forfeit the choice now. I'll come over to this desk where I can't believe it. Here's what I do know. For as much as I love this movie.

This is the end of a beautiful friendship. I know. Yeah, it happens. If this movie came out today Dennis Leary's character would lead Tucker Carlson it's like freedom of choice

freedom of independence I just want to eat gravy fries that would be tragic but this movie is great every part of the cat and mouse element is great between Sly and Wesley

Snipes is amazing you have to bring up Snipes if you're going to choose the movie do it right. I did. Sandra Bullock too. I love Taco Bell's glow up in this movie too.

Great. Can I say something real quick about this movie real quick? Please. This movie inspired the Dennis Rodman hair revolution. That's right.

The platinum. Dennis Rodman's first color that he went with was blonde and it was because Simon Phoenix in Demolition. Do you think it also inspired Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for office they predicted in this movie they predicted he would be the president they changed the constitution so he could run for office that's

all i'm saying so amanda you have two picks we're gonna have to speed around the final six picks but i want to i want to give you your grace on the first pick of the fifth round you don't have to i'll be quick. In drama, I'm going to take Rudy. We've discussed previously on this podcast. It's one of my favorite sports movies. And then in wild card, I think I'm just going to be me. I'm going to paint my own picture.

And I'm going to take Sister Act 2 back in the habit. Do you understand how important that last scene of Sister Act 2 back in the habit. Do you understand how important that last scene of Sister Act 2 back in the habit is? When Lauryn Hill gets the solo, right? But the other kid hits the high note or does the backflip. I didn't think I was going to have to pick Sister Act 2 back in the habit, so I didn't rewatch it. But trust me when I tell you, I watched it at least 10 times in the year 1993. I love the films of Whoopi Goldberg. It's directed by the great Bill Duke.

Not sure people know that. Quality film. I did know that, Sean. Thanks, Chris. Love that movie. Some fucking cultural. I'm so pissed. Okay, Rob, we're back to you.

I would be lying to myself if I did not pick The Nightmare Before Christmas in Wild Card. Okay, nerds. Fuck. Look. Can I just leave now? I'm not really speaking to anyone on this podcast. No, stay. Sit.

I'm going to go double nerd because not only is this a great animated movie, it's like an all-time musical, I think. I agree. There are some all-time musical numbers in this movie.

Swear me in as the mayor of Halloween Town. I'm here for everything about it. I love this movie. And honestly, the fact that recently, Danny Elfman did a stage performance with Phoebe Bridgers in London performing the soundtrack of this movie, and I was not able to attend,

is maybe the hardest I've ever been hit by FOMO. So you're taking Phoebe Bridgers' side over Paul Meskel? He's about to win an Oscar. How do you feel about that? I don't want to be on the record about that particular point. He's not winning an Oscar. But I'm just choosing to believe that I'm drafting both The Nightmare Before Christmas and Phoebe Bridgers with this pick.

So I'm going to go for that. Okay, Van. Last pick. He's going to be Gladiator 2. The next Gladiator. So stupid. I think Steve Gladiator is the character's name. Is it Gladiator 2?

Is it colon the next Gladiator? Is that the name of the movie? Gladiator 2. We Gladiator is the character's name. Is it Gladiator 2? Is it colon the next Gladiator? Is that the name of the movie? Gladiator 2. We gladiating again. I think it's Jim Gladiator. Gladiator comma harder. So I have a question here. Action horror.

You got screwed out of Demolition Man. Yeah. You're trying to make something work in this category that doesn't fit? I know exactly what he's going to do. He's going to try and pick Bobby Fischer. I can see the gears grinding. It's just like, what do you think about those chess scenes? So as an action movie, would a movie about gang violence,

where there's a lot of different situations, be considered an action movie? Just see the movie and we'll tell you. Are you talking about Robin Hood Men in Tights? No, I'm talking about Blood In, Blood Out. Oh, I think this is an action movie, actually. I mean, you talking about Robin Hood Men in Tights? No I'm talking about Blood In Blood Out Oh I think this is an action movie actually I mean there's a lot of

violence in that movie Okay so then my action movie is Blood In Blood Out and I would like to say shout out to Shea Serrano right now This is the number one movie

This is the number one movie This movie is a fucking fantastic journey Remember when I first watched that when i first watched the film i just could not fucking believe because remember american me came out around the same time so like my uh me vida loca it was this was kind of i was starting to kind of understand the journey here in la of not just black people but my hispanic brothers and sisters as well so i've seen all those movies in the same place uh so i'll take blood in blood out

jesus christ great movie under seen i'm sorry about that uh cr you got one more pick uh for wild card i'll do i'll do searching for bob Fisher. No one likes you. So you don't get a response. Amanda is so wounded. This is like dialing into your podcast with coronavirus and took two very popular lawyer movies.

Searching for Bobby Fisher. Is it good yeah I like that was it gonna come all the way back around to Amanda or are you done no I'm done

no she's done okay I just was being mean to you and it is good and Laurence Fishburne is fucking good in this and Ben Kingsley is good

and Joan Allen is sick and Mantania is pretty good I mean I don't mean to like besmirch Mantegna, but you have to have like, it can't all be good, you know? I have an important question.

Okay. Over under three times you have cranked it to Joan Allen. I actually was thinking that as well. You love Joan Allen. Do you mean emotionally?

Do you love Joan Allen? You always admired her work. The contender. Yes. Joan Allen in the Bourne movies running the crisis suite is erotic to me. I'm not afraid to admit it.

This is a very weird Bobby Fischer segue, I gotta say. Okay. With the final pick in this draft, I'm taking in Wild Card of Bronx Tale. Okay.

Yeah, I had that on my list. This is the directorial debut of a man named Robert De Niro. This is an incredibly touching story about a young man trying to find his way. Do I go left into the darkness or do I go right

into nobility and decency? What's the right choice? A moral fable for our time. 30th anniversary this year. Very excited to watch this film again. Haven't seen it in a long time. Written by... Do you know?

Who knows? CR, you must know. Tobias Wolfe wrote the book, right? No. You're thinking of This Boy's Life, I think. Oh, my bad. Oh, This Boy's Life, I love too. A Bronx Tale is Chaz Palminteri.

Oh, Chaz. Oh. Just saw Chaz. He wrote a play, right? He wrote a book on law and order organized crime, which I watched some of those on the flight. Not his best work. Okay, that's too bad.

He's quite good in this film as the heavy, and this is a great movie. And that's it. That's our draft. Shall we recap very briefly? How do we do this? Do we let each person read their films? I'd like Amanda to start.

Amanda, what films did you draft today? In drama, I drafted Rudy. In comedy, I drafted Dave. In Oscar nominee, I drafted Martin Scorsese's The Age of Innocence. In action horror, I drafted Best Picture nominee The Fugitive. In blockbuster, I drafted Indecent Proposal.

And in wildcard, the classic Sister Act 2, Back in the Habit. Rob, what'd you get? In Drama, I had Shortcuts. In Comedy, Adam's Family Values. In Oscar, Schindler's List. In Action Horror, Demolition Man. Have you heard of it?

In Blockbuster, Sleepless in Seattle. In Wildcard, The Nightmare Before Christmas. CR? Drama, I had Carlito's Way. In Comedy, I had Dazed and Confused. In Oscar nominee, The Nightmare Before Christmas. CR. Drama, I had Carlito's Way. In comedy, I had Dazed and Confused. In Oscar nominee, The Firm. In action, I had El Mariachi. In Blockbuster, The Pelican Brief.

And in Wild Card, Searching for Bobby Fischer. Van Devil, is this your films? No. I can't believe. I can remember them. In drama, you got what? Myths of Society. In comedy, you got what? Groundhog's Day.. In drama, you got what? Mrs. Society. In comedy, you got what?

Groundhog's Day. In Oscar nominee, you got what? What's Love Got to Do With It. In action horror. Blood In, Blood Out. In Blockbuster. That's why I don't remember. Mrs. Doubtfire.

Mrs. Doubtfire. And then in wild card, Tombstone. For myself, I got true romance in drama. I got So I Married an Axe Murderer in comedy. I got In the Line of Fire in Oscar Nominee Cliffhanger in Action or Horror

Jurassic Park the first overall pick in Blockbuster and A Bronx Tale in Wild Card normally we would do honorable mentions but unfortunately

Amanda and I need to race out to go see the film Cocaine Bear so this has been a delightful 1993 movie draft shout out to that movie among many others

check out Letterboxd if you want to see more movies from that year that you want to talk about. I'd like to personally thank Chris Ryan for his flu game. Thank you, Chris, for all that you do.

Thank you to Rob for being in person. Thank you to Van for being in person. I can't even get a see you later CR from Amanda. Amanda is ice grilling Chris. And her staring at her hands.

It's just really... I'm working through it, Christopher. Bob Wagner, thanks for your work as the producer of this podcast. We'll see you later this week with a discussion of the film Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania. See you then. Thank you.