The Big Picture - The 2004 Movie Draft

Episode Date: September 14, 2021

We asked, you decided: After a public vote, we're drafting from the year 2004. Who were we? What were we doing? And what movies were we seeing? Join Sean, Amanda, and Chris as they explore a time of anchormen, eternal sunshine, and sequels galore. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Watch is the latest and the greatest in pop culture from best friends Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald. Join them as they discuss TV, movies, music, and much more. Check out The Watch on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the year 2004. We are drafting again. It's the Movie Draft, 2004 edition. Chris Ryan is here. Chris, how are you doing today? I'm doing great. It's fun to go back to these glory days of my youth. Amanda, this truly was your youth.

I think, Chris, it was more like the start of middle age, as I recall, for you around 2004. Amanda, you were a young woman, though, it was more like the start of middle age, as I recall, for you around 04. Amanda, you were a young woman, though. It was my please kill me era. It was like down and out in the Lower East Side, rolling around, a bar fly, checking out bands, a kind of a boatier on Houston. We're already off to an amazing start here. Amanda, take us back to 2004. Who were you?

What were you doing? What were your interests? What was happening to you in the world? So I was in college and this is when I really committed to the college experience. I just like really let it rip in college in 2004. And so I realized I had not seen like half of these movies. I just didn't have time, you know? And the movies that I have seen and have a, you know, and the movies that I have seen and have a real connection to this is an interesting year. But they're the movies that were playing in like a common room at like 4pm on a Sunday when you were supposed to be doing all the homework that you didn't do. And instead, you were like, I don't know, let's watch.

I'm not going to give my movies away for like the 85th time. So I have a unique perspective on 2004. Chris read us a list of events that happened that year. I think I participated in one of them, which, by the way, was the election. And I went to school in New Hampshire and I worked on the John Kerry campaign in New Hampshire and it didn't work out for us. But you know what? I did my part. You participated. And then I went back to watching shitty movies and not paying attention to the world and having a great time. Let's all make an agreement here to not swift vote one another during this podcast. All right.

Just in honor of John Kerry and his failed campaign that year. CR, you mentioned you were dragging ass on the streets of New York City in 2004. Is 2004 the year that you and I met? Yeah, I was interning at Treadstone that year. I was the in-house blogger, just kind of be like, where does Nikki like to eat when she's out in Prague? You know, like that kind of stuff. No, I was working at Mondo Kim's and then I was working at The Fader.

So I was very immersed in music culture. So when I go back and look at all these movies, despite how much I may love them, I think that movies were a secondary form of entertainment and a real kill a Sunday afternoon thing for me. I don't know that I was deeply passionate about

making sure I saw Kill Bill 2 the first night. I was like, I'm definitely going to go see it. But it wasn't the governing aspect of my social life that it became when I moved to Los Angeles. Where it's like, we got to go see this Paul Thomas Anderson movie the second it's available.

And, you know, talk about it and talk about it and talk about it. So what was the governing aspect of your life culturally? You were going to shows three nights a week? Rat mixtapes. Rat mixtapes. Talk about that. Why don't you explore? I honestly think you should just explore that for 10 minutes here.

Well, because I was at Kim's. I was the buyer. I was one of the buyers at Kim's. Kim's was this wonderful record and video store on St. Mark's in New York City. And I was the indie rock and rap buyer for a time. And one of the things that I did there was I started working with a couple of distributors to have a bunch of rap mixtapes, which wereds but rap mixtapes on on sale there which was a dicey proposition because rap mixtapes as some people may or may not know were for promotional

use only they were often sold in underground economies i.e like stands on 14th street but we had them at the store because they were also really starting to like push the boundaries of of rap aesthetics and like you would just be like oh my God, the best album of the year is actually this Lil Wayne mixtape or this Clipse mixtape. But the federal government disagreed with that notion. And Kim's was raided by law enforcement and shut down. And a little while after that, I wound up going into journalism. A strong choice on your part.

And mixtapes went legit eventually. You can find some of those mixtapes that you were dealing out of the the wares of Kim's online now and and most of the time now I feel like every album is a mixtape it was a very modest markup I just want to say that I was not price gouging g-unit mixtapes it was like $5.99 you better be careful because I've heard Tony Yeo is a huge fan of the movie drafts. And so he may be hearing this and hearing about the money that you stole from him during that very fertile time. Nobody did more for Tony Yeo's career, at least like on St. Mark's than I did. 2004 was the year that I moved to New York City. I graduated from school in 03 and promptly moved to the Upper East Side of New York. Met guys like Chris Ryan, met guys like Amanda's husband, Zach Barron, started forming

a collection of friends, many of whom I still have to this day, which is wonderful. I think I was probably- Wait, you graduated in 2003? I did. I graduated in a semester early. Oh, I see. Okay. I graduated in December. I was just very fixated on the math there. Continue. Oh, I see. Okay. I graduated in December. I was just very fixated on the math there. Continue. And then I moved to, you're always so cognizant of everyone's age. I feel like you're- Because I'm the youngest one and you guys are always aging me up.

And I'm just fighting for every last minute that I have of my youth. It's sunset for Amanda. The sun's coming down. I know, it's really tough. I just, I'm clinging. Come on. I did. So I graduated a semester early and moved to the city in 04. the sun's coming down i know it's really tough i just i'm clinging come on uh i did i got so i graduated semester early and moved to the city in 04 and i i i relate to what you're saying amanda

which is that at this time in college it's really hard to be an aggressive moviegoer because uh usually alcohol gets in between us but um there were some movies that i was locked in on you know to your point chris kill bill particular, the first volume, one of the most memorable movie going experiences I had during college. So volume two was one that I was pretty locked in on. But it's an interesting time because I think we took for granted the utter centrality

of movies in the culture. I mean, especially relative to the conversations that the three of us have on pods basically every week now about what's going on in the streaming wars and the way that movies have been thinned down into something that doesn't matter as much. Movies were everything. I mean, it felt like you would lean into rap mixtapes as a way to kind of like avoid the meganess of movies in a strange way. This is sort of in the post Lord of the Rings afterglow, and it seemed like everything would be a movie forever and ever. Amanda, what memories do you have of the movies that you saw? What did you sense that was going

on in the world of movies in that time? It's funny that you bring up Kill Bill because I, in college, one of the movies that I actually did see, and we went to the theater and it was the official Dartmouth screening fancy room, and they did Kill Bill 1 and Kill Bill 2 like together and I went and I saw both and it was like a very transformative experience you watched like five and a half hours of Kill Bill in one sitting also while we're on the topic of movies that I saw in order at that very large theater that I can't remember the name of I have seen at least one Lord of the Rings movie I think I went and saw the third one on that very big screen

and didn't really understand what was happening. But I remember the large eye in the middle. Yeah. So yes, Chris, I did. And I really enjoyed it. Did you ever have the bride ASICs? That was a big thing. No, I mean, come on.

A lot of ladies had those ASICs for a minute. Yeah, again, I was going to school in rural New Hampshire and I spent most of my time not seeing great works of art and wasting my time. But I did manage to devote those five hours. And then another really memorable one is Napoleon Dynamite, which was a new movie that seemed to almost instantly turn into like a cult classic. And we definitely all repeated those jokes to each other. And I'm sure someone was Napoleon for Halloween, whatever year that was possible. But otherwise, I think it was just like a lot of watching Zoolander on repeat.

See, are you auditioned for Napoleon Dynamite as a lead figure? Didn't get that part. It was a tough beat for you. They thought I was too real. They thought I was bringing a different darkness to that character. They said they would keep me in mind for later parts and it didn't work out. But yeah, I think I brought a kind of a method vibe to it that was a little bit tonally off. When you and John Heder and Colin Farrell were in the audition room together vying for that part, what did you think to yourself? I'm in

second place right now. I've got a really good shot at this what were you thinking yeah i mean i thought that at the very least um there would be some sort of like maybe a stinger like a post-credit stinger where they would show my real uh you know i would have a john kazal-esque run as a character actor but it didn't didn't work out so i just i just wrote about short small indie rock bands from brooklyn chris what do you what'd you what did 2004 in movies feel like to you at the time even if you weren't fully locked in they were pretty funny i thought that the the comedies were very good and it was still like you know i think because i would especially say if movies were like didn't quite have the centrality of in like our lives,

maybe because of college or because of nightlife or whatever, uh, TV had almost no role except it was starting to. So Sean and I, one of the first things we kind of started doing together was watching the wire rest in peace to Michael K. Williams. But like,

I was go, I went up to Sean's place and we just like sit on a couch and watch like an episode or two of the wire on, on a, on DVR or whatever. And that was, um, that was like an episode or two of the wire on on a on dvr or whatever and that was um that was like an amazing that was where we when tv so really started popping off for me at least but you know i would go to the movies to laugh you know what i mean like this was a sort of pretty decent era of you know not quite experimental but i think boundary pushing comedy uh in some

regards and a lot of the movies, even the ones that are made by quite esteemed filmmakers here, I think you could consider them comedies in some regard. They were funny. So I remember going to the movies a lot for that. I also just, we don't have to get too lost in this. But this morning I woke up and I felt like I was very bombarded with a bunch of people being like, Dune is shit. And it's like, it's not even, it's not even like the month that it's going to be when it comes out. And that was another nice thing about this era is that you could take, you could get to the movie on your own time. It wouldn't be like in the last scene of Kill Bill 2, when this happens, I was outraged. Can't wait for you all to see it on, you know, in three weeks. And it's like,

no, you would get to just go see the fucking movie like on the third week and also having a reaction or opinion about a movie wasn't like instantly annoying at this point i just like having any take actually sucks at this point i had where we are i remember like it was like right around here where people started having like hotter takes about tv like it would just be like if you like this then you can't like this as much as that. But the movie seemed to be weirdly free of that. I don't know why. That's really interesting. Maybe I was hanging out with the wrong people.

Well, I wonder if... Obviously, the movie criticism and media business was much smaller at that time, and it was more closed, and there was no social media, really. So the lack of social media, with the exception of Amanda's early appearances on Facebook. And you were a power user, as I recall, on Facebook back in 2004, right, Amanda? She was one of the original town criers about free speech on campus. That's right. All right. Okay.

So Amanda was burning books. And I was unaware of all of the secrets of Kill Bill Volume 2. Kill Bill Volume 2 is an interesting example of that specifically. Because this is a movie that we knew was coming out for a long period of time. And it was easy to not know anything. It was easy to not know anything about Spider-Man 2, for example. There were huge movies that had tons of anticipation. And I wonder if, I don't know, do you think that that's something that is actually materially hurting movie interest these days? Because we don't have that kind of economy with TV shows.

There's no like in the third act, this is going to happen and you're going to be so disappointed. Amanda, do you think that just knowing too much actually hurts people's enjoyments of things? Yes. This is why I've stopped watching trailers. Though I have to say, I saw Shang-Chi this weekend, waited to the second weekend. I have a secret theater location in Los Angeles that I will not share, that I feel pretty safe about, and great recliners, great fountain soda. And so before it, I saw the Matrix trailer finally. And I just really liked it.

Well, I just really liked it when Jonathan Groff said the Matrix at the end. I got really excited. I was like, yeah, the matrix, but like, really, that's all I needed to know about the trailer was just someone being like the matrix. But yes,

of course we know way too much. We know way too much from film festivals. We know way too much from like people planning out in advance. It, the, the part of the experience where you just go and enjoy a movie is totally skipped over at this point because like, did it live up to the expectations or was it was what this critic said or did it do x y box that

we thought it was going to or is it this character like yeah it's all just time spent let me tell you nothing makes you feel like an addict than reading 800 word recaps of the paul thomas anderson trailer like on your phone while you're like your significant others trying to talk to you and you're like, one second, one second. Okay, and then Alana Haim walks across the parking lot.

Wait, okay, I'm just visualizing that. Like it's just like what the fuck is wrong with us? You know what I mean? The reason I ask you guys this question is because of course we are in part responsible for a lot of this stuff.

Something happens and we talk about it on the show. I'm probably more than anybody i'm guilty of that but it feels like the machine is aware of our appetites in a way that maybe it wasn't before i feel like social media also activated our fascination with just the debate about something that people haven't even experienced yet and so oh four was fun it was it was really a really fun time in movies not just because of the explosion of comedies that you're talking about, Chris. It was at a time when it felt like the IP wave was starting to burble, but we didn't feel like we were being choked out by it. Like

there were comic book movies and fantasy movies. But if you look at the Oscars, for example, there's not a hint of any of that stuff. It's actually quite a staid and traditional lineup of Oscar movies. Amanda, what do you make of this crew of prestigious films that were recognized by the Academy at the time? As Chris said to us last night, I don't know. It's tough going. I mean, it's not tough going entirely. There are some gems in here, but draft strategy-wise, there are sweep year. So it's really tough. Million dollar baby wins everything. And then the other winners are respectfully like a lesser source Scorsese movie, like a Charlie Kaufman movie that we can have our umpteenth fight about or not

have our umpteenth fight about. I don't really feel the need to. It's a smaller batch, I guess. It's before they were trying to spread the wealth. I, you know, it would be a fun experiment to do for these drafts when it's sometime, cause I was doing this yesterday when I was looking at it for is to basically what can we learn from this year of movies by the dominant movie poster style and the dominant movie poster style for 2004 is a white background with a very simple,

very James L. Brooks-esque font for the movie. And then what looks like stock photos of the stars of the movie inserted next to each other. And it is invariably a white man with a bashful grin, one to two women to his left looking at him somewhat like longingly, but somewhat scornfully. And then usually an older guy who's disapproving of him to the right. It's like In Good Company, Wimbledon, Along Came Polly. All of these movies that were like the generic Hollywood movie are these kind of like,

this guy, but you know, he might figure it out. You know? Yeah, those specifically are also the movies that have been totally wiped out right now. We don't see a whole lot of those anymore. The Oscar stuff is kind of fascinating. It's a, I guess, a relatively predictable slate. Clint Eastwood made a movie.

He got recognized. Martin Scorsese made a movie. He got recognized. There was a big, noisy biopic about a legendary American figure in Ray Charles. A lot of nominations. I guess the lack of surprise, it feels like this is when the Oscars is massive. I think the ratings were 42 million people this year, but also you could sense that it was starting to lose. It was sort of starting to wane. You

know, there would be big moments here and there over time. The avatar here, obviously things bounce back a little bit, but this feels like something that we just accepted as being important as opposed to felt strongly about it needed to be important. And if you look at the box office, there's not, unlike, say, in the 80s and 90s when there could be a lot of crossover between the Academy Awards and the box office. I mean, Shrek 2, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Spider-Man 2, The Incredibles, The Passion of the Christ, The Day After Tomorrow, Meet the Fockers, Troy, Shark Tale, Ocean's Twelve. These are not Oscar films, really, hardly at all, except for a handful of below the line entries. And so it feels like the divergence has begun between what is mainstream movie going,

what is respectable, but also a bit cordoned off movie going. And obviously we know where it goes from there. Any other stray thoughts about 04? Actually, we say that we put this year up to a vote and 04 won. And do you think 04 won over 1986, 1994, 1998 simply because it's the most recent year or was there another reason?

I think there are a couple of very very very very well watched movies in this year so i would imagine just accounting for like the age group like probably there were some people who are like yes like i i like those two movies so much that i want to see you guys god which ones now i'm just scrolling through the box office it's not Troy I mean I know it wouldn't correspond to box office but correspond to future reputation yeah yeah I think to your point earlier Amanda like there were probably six or seven movies that acquired cult status pretty quickly in this year and so that's probably what we're talking about if we look back at what are candidates for the most for rewatchables episodes in the future from 04, I would say of the six or seven

that we'd be most likely to pick, none of them are in the top 20 of the box office of that year, which is also kind of an interesting thing. That also happens less and less as time goes by. Any other thoughts before we get started? Sean, how many times did you see Passion of the Christ in the theater?

I was actually, I co-funded the film. So for my personal fortune, just bankrolled Mel. It's, you know, Mel's vision. No, fun fact, never seen the Passion of the Christ. Me neither. Me either. I don't have any interest. I was raised Catholic with the blood of the lamb on the mind all the time.

I don't, I really did not need to see that film. I know the story. I know how it ends. So Jim Caviezel, he's really gone on to great heights since the Passion of the Christ. I don't, I really did not need to see that. I know the story. I know how it ends. So Jim Caviezel, he's really gone on to great heights since the Passion of the Christ. Wouldn't you say? Chris, big fan of his?

Yeah, his stock is trending down, I think. I would agree. If this is the first time listening to a movie draft, here's what we do. We have six categories and we draft movies

into those six categories. Our six categories today, we're sticking with where we've been recently. We're going drama, comedy or horror, Oscar winner, sequel, blockbuster, and the threshold for blockbuster is $100 million or more, and a wildcard category. Now, in recent drafts, Ciara started to turn the ship around. Chris won a movie auction, and then he won the 2007 movie draft. Amanda, how are you feeling about Chris's hot streak? You know I love Chris, and I support him in all his endeavors, whether he's just making completely incomprehensible decisions and or marshalling the, you know, hopes and dreams of a devoted, if

slightly strange group of people on the internet. That said, and I say this to both of you from the bottom of my heart, you know, we've been through a lot together. We've been through a lot of movie drafts together. We've been friends for a long time. Good times, bad times, exciting stuff. I hope there will be a lot more. And I just want you to know, no matter what,

I will never give a fuck how many people voted for you on the Twitter poll. I just never will. I love you. I hope you keep shining. Are you talking to me? Both of you. That was to both of you with love and respect. Sounds like a shot across the bow at the CR heads to me.

This is the time when you say, because you had won so many in a row, you tanked the last two to make the movie draft increasingly interesting because no one wants to watch the Yankees, right? No. I mean, the truth is that I've just got bigger fish to fry in my life. You know, I've got a daughter in my house

and I was just a little distracted and I remain a little distracted. So if I fall short today, hey, you know, it happens. But sometimes when you have affirmed and confirmed your place in the Hall of Fame of movie drafts, you don't have to worry about it. It's just time to DH, you know? I'm Belichick, you know, it's all good. I'm going to Canton.

Doesn't matter. Chris, I wish you luck. I'm surprised you didn't burst into flames when you said, I'm Belichick. I think I need to start channeling my enemies a little bit more that's that's what I need to do Jets Pats this weekend Amanda you coming over am I invited if you'd like okay it's probably one of your least pleasant

experiences of your life because that's when I am I watched a Jets Pats game with Sean since the time when he's almost threw me out of threw me out of his house. Let's talk about that really quickly before we get Bobby Wagner in here. The reason that I almost threw Chris out of my house at that moment is because Chris was openly rooting

for Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in my home like an asshole. You have to. I don't think I fully appreciated... What a special opportunity. I would say that I knew that you loved the Jets. I didn't know you were so sensitive about it. And I did spend some time in Boston,

and I was like, I'm looking for a rooting interest. And also, I really liked the Red Sox teams around that era. Wait, hold on. And I had decided to just be kind of like, you know what, my second teams are the Boston teams. Chris, I have spent some time in Sweden. I don't cheer for Sweden in the World Cup, okay? I cheer for the United States.

No, you cheer for Switzerland because like one time you had an uncle who lived there for like three years. You took a 23andMe test and you were like, well, I guess I'm basically Zerdan Shikiri. This is deeply hurtful. My grandfather was born in Switzerland. How dare both of you.

Secondarily, you rooting for the Pats is a shameful act for a variety of ways. But the thing that happened was you didn't reveal that you were rooting for them until Tom Brady completed like an out route to David Patton. No, it was to Randy Moss, wasn't it? Maybe it was to Randy Moss. And you fist pumped, stood up and said, yeah. And I was like, who let this traitor into my house how did this happen this kid this kid for five years was like we're gonna be best friends and then he fucking betrayed me in my own home brutal brutal that's really funny i don't respect that i spent some time in boston so i really like the red sox team thing but the making fun of sean in his own home is great that's

beautiful okay well you'll have a chance to make fun of me once we start drafting Bobby Wagner. Let's do a draft order. What do we got? All right. I am going to shake some Scrabble tiles in a top gun hat, which is going to make me briefly sad, but ultimately will be a more fair process according to Amanda, which is what we're aiming for.

While Bobby's shaking his tiles, I was going say do you think that major movie studios should adopt the like the rap release style of like guess what Top Gun's coming out tomorrow like would that be what would you do if Top Gun 2 they were like psych it's coming out Friday

I think a lot of people would go I'd be taking the day off this podcast would be over that's true it'd be tough to do the. This podcast would be over. That's true. It'd be tough to do the show. They kind of did that with Infinite on Paramount Plus. Remember when they were like, guess what? Mark Wahlberg movie. Respectfully.

Respectfully. Actually, not respectfully. I don't, I have no respect for Infinite. That has nothing to do with Top Gun 2 and what is good. And when it is like, if they were just like, you can see Top Gun 2 tomorrow, we would all be thrilled and we would go and then we would do a podcast about it. And when it is. Like if they were just like. You can see Tap Gun 2 tomorrow. We would all be thrilled. And we would go. And then we would do a podcast about it.

Absolutely. And it would be exciting. I think it's also. It would work the first time. And maybe work the second time. And then not work at all. Yeah. And you would. Largely.

Because it's like. It's capitalizing on things that are already events. And already have like anticipation. And so. If you. Use. Once you use all those up, then there are just no more surprises

and no one cares. Not to belabor this conversation or Bobby's ability to pull a Scrabble tile out of his hat. I've already pulled the tile. I already know who's going. Oh, that's exciting. I hold all the power.

Don't say anything yet. Let me just make this thought. Wouldn't it be interesting if they just always did this with every movie where we knew the movie was coming and there was a marketing campaign, but it always said coming soon.

And then everything, the same way that a and there was a marketing campaign, but it always said coming soon. And then everything, the same way that a Drake record or a Kanye record, we never know when the album is coming out, basically until the day it comes out, then they just dropped it. Now, obviously exhibitors would be able to reveal when that was, you know, the cat would get out of the bag quickly,

but that would be really fun if we had surprise drop movies forever with the same marketing machine in place. Are you kidding? You'd lose your mind. What happens to to the spreadsheet we would close down the pod but as a human i would i would enjoy it okay that's fine with me uh selecting first in the 2004 movie draft is chris ryan oh interesting intriguing uh if i could opine really quickly about chris winning the last two drafts last auction, I think that Chris is playing for the labels and not the fans. Interesting.

What does that mean? So just expound on that a little bit. Chris, I think that you've reneged on the CR heads a little bit. Although maybe they'll follow you into the dark no matter what. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I have no regrets about anything I did during the 2007 draft. The reason I won that was because i got super bad and because i instead of going like full-on cr head crime like the full house there i like expanded the horizons of what a cr head likes you know the movie auction part you sound crazy right now the auction part two

was absolute red meat to the base dog shit. Like I drafted movies that I am almost at this point openly hostile towards. Can you read them? Because this is the thing. We do need to do a reassessment of the movie auctions at some point because like now that the movies are out in the world. Half of them aren't coming out.

Right. And half of them are Sean's favorite movies of the year. But he doesn't have any of them. You have House of Gucci. Like, I have Power of the Dog, which you didn't bid on. I just will forever remind everyone of that.

But somehow, you have been declared a winner for... What were the five movies that were in the... Eternals. Okay. Spider-Man, right?

Venom, Let There Be Carnage. And I can't remember the last two. Yeah. It's... But they were pretty big. Yeah. I mean, you went like box office. Yeah.

And I suppose that's CR head. Though I think that in its way is like more of a betrayal. I'm going to try and synthesize those two styles. Super bad. Okay. You guys done? I like it. We're finding

the distilled CR in real time. Going second is Sean Fennessey. Hmm. Okay. Can I get the turn?

I will start us off. Now, this was one of the we haven't I haven't really like overly thought about the strategy of this except

for this one level of it and it's this is a really complicated year because I think on one hand you would be not embarrassed but kind of be like I would never draft something like this first you know honestly I think I'm just gonna go with my heart and I'm gonna take Anchorman first uh in comedy Anchorman is the funniest movie I've ever seen. There are lots of movies here that I love, but Anchorman is probably the one, if I'm being completely honest, that I've seen the most. It is obviously the sort of big stepping out for Adam McKay and Will Ferrell. It is one of these movies that really also exploded when it became a DVD and it had the extras and the outtakes and the additional scenes and the bloopers but um you know every every person i knew just started saying you know i'm not mad i'm impressed you know like to each other like for the next 10 years so i don't know if

that's a reason but i this is this is the movie that i i probably adore the most from this year so i'll go anchorman number one i think this is the only pick you can make at number one. It's a good pick. Amanda, you probably would not have made this pick. It was certainly on my list, though. I don't know that I would have gone number one just because we have to be true to ourselves. But I also, I have absolutely no strategy for this draft.

I'll just say it right now. So I'm thrilled to be at number three. Okay. Worked out for me. Um, I can't overstate the, the, the pure joy of seeing anchorman in a movie theater.

For one of the single greatest moments of my life. When, in the very early stages of the movie, when Will Ferrell says the human torch was denied a bank loan. I was like, Oh, we, we have entered a new atmosphere of comedy.

This is a very, this is going to be good. Cologne closet is really like the part where I think I may have peed myself, you know? When will we get the call about Anchorman on the rewatchables, Chris? How long will it be? One year, seven years?

How long do you think? Will we be on it, you know? Wow. Will others have come along, you know? Well, who do you think it will be? Probably like, if it goes long enough, it could be your daughter. It could just be, like, 20 years from now. Is this because I'm dead?

What's happening here? Am I retiring from the rewatchables? That's right. The Anchorman is amazing. I'm vamping a little bit because I don't really know what to do here. It's a very tricky draft and I feel like all three of us came in with us with very little strategy hmm I guess I will go with in hmm guys I'm really stumped here about what to do already. That's not a great sign. There are a lot of moves to make.

I guess I'll go with Oscar winner and I'll take Eternal Sunshine of the Spotlight. This is going to be my first pick, but I wouldn't have felt good about it. I think Anchorman was the right move. Yeah. But Eternal Sunshine, which won Best Original Screenplay, the Charlie Kaufman movie that Amanda was referencing earlier,

for me, a beloved movie. Your mileage may vary on Eternal Sunshine. Obviously, fascinating story about time travel, memory, alternate lives, starring Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet. Change of pace for Jim Carrey, who is kind of evolving into more serious work at this time in the early 2000s. Michelle Gondry is a filmmaker. Movie that i think has kind of an interesting reputation now i think it actually felt very mainstream when it was released and it feels like it has morphed into a cult movie yeah don't necessarily i don't i don't know how you guys what you think its reputation is at this point obviously very kind of melancholy and sweet and precious and a little bit twee in

the way that things were kind of twee in 2004 and more acceptable this is like a you know christier indie rock buying experience like a you know the decemberists were a very popular band circa 2004 and this felt like in keeping with that but it's also obviously very sophisticated and its storytelling style and kaufman is um always pushing the boundaries of what a mainstream audience can legibly understand in a movie but i still really like it i i've always really liked it and um i think it's definitely one of his best scripts amanda you get two picks yeah i still don't really know what my strategy is here i hmm because it's like should i should i go with my heart as Chris did? Or, well, in that case, your heart aligned with, you know, the CR heads and popularity.

And my heart seldom does that. So I'm wondering whether I should be strategic now. But how am I going to be strategic? Okay. Well, this is great. All right. I'm going to do Oscar winner just because there aren't that many options. I get really nervous. I've screwed it up before

and I don't really like any of these things, but I did actually like the Incredibles. So I'm going to take the Incredibles, which I know that Chris never would have taken, but maybe Sean was going to take it in blockbuster or some other thing. You know so I thought about it yeah so I'm taking it off the board I like this movie a lot I like the tiny lady who makes the all the superhero fashion with the big glasses I like it when the baby you know turns into a fireball I do have a question for you mostly Sean because Chris have you ever seen The Incredibles I have not what am I a child supposed to learn from The Incredibles? What do you mean?

Like, what's the moral of the story? That like some people are more special than others and that's okay? No, the moral of the story is that nothing is more important than family and that you have to trust your family in order to get through life. Right, but also isn't it about how

we should just let all the, you know, high achieving superheroes just be superheroes? Are you saying this is a fascist piece of art? I'm just asking the question. I mean, that could be a takeaway, certainly from Brad Bird's movie. I think all superhero movies in their way are a little bit fascist, honestly. Sure. But I think it's a family drama, family comedy.

That's really what it's a. It's a it's a National Lampoon's vacation movie with superpowers um and also really good action especially for an animated movie but it's a great it's a great movie sort of but i think the other it's not a great movie it's like i mean it is a great movie but i'm just like what were we teaching our children anyway i liked it i thought it was fun the the lady with the accent's funny um yeah, very much inspired by Edith Head, the great costume designer. Okay, so I have my Oscar winner. Okay. I still want to say Anchorman lines.

Lanolin. Yeah, go ahead. Like sheep's wool? London gentlemen. Oh my God. Burns the nostrils. I don't know what to do this next movie. I just,

how, how mean are you guys going to be? Let's talk about that for a second. We're not, we don't, we're not mean. Sean is sometimes, I mean,

he's been softened recently and that's nice, but I don't know if that like applies to me particularly. So. I'm like a wet paper towel these days. There's no meanness in me. I just, I just drafted eternal sunshine and spoke lovingly of it. So do what you do.

Okay. Take the movie you want to take Amanda. There are several I want to take, but I don't know in what category. That's really stressing me out. Um, do you want me to vamp? No.

CR, how about those birds, huh? Coach Nick, just dialing up belief, dialing up inspiration. Fine. You know what? I'll just do the obvious one. I'll take Mean Girls and comedy. I mean, I don't know what else. I don't think that Sean was going to take it because it's not, believe it or not, eligible and blockbuster.

I think like a lot of really. Yeah. A lot of really good movies hit like 85. And I think Mean Girls is around there. But, you know, Mean Girls is to me what Anchorman is, I think, to to to many listeners of this podcast. Like an instantly iconic, generational, very funny, oft-referenced, already-rewatchable film. And made Lindsay Lohan, Rachel McAdams.

I guess it didn't make Lindsay Lohan, but Rachel McAdams. It made a safe read. The list goes on. Okay. Good pick. I probably would have saved that for wild card personally

this is a very challenging strategy draft i'll tell you i'll tell you why there's so many sequels it's the best sequels year of all time probably ever right and like you could you'd be happy i think with any of five or six sequels which makes this and that's usually the opposite right we're kind of like fighting for the sequel and now i'm okay, so we can just keep these on the board. But also the sequels are some of my favorite movies. Right. So once someone takes one and the dam breaks, maybe we'll feel differently about that. But now I'm looking away from sequel and I'm looking at picking a movie that I don't love

as much early on in the draft just to get it so then I can feel good about that category. Very challenging stuff here. Okay. I'm going to do something. I'm going to take before sunset in drama. Damn it. I almost did that. And I think it's because drama is weirdly weak. How can drama be weak? So what we usually do is we usually bend dramas into comedy and we'll be like, you know what? You can laugh at this one, but this is going to almost,

this year would almost require us to take a comedy and bend it into drama. I think you're right. I mean, we can be might end up doing that. Well, I mean, there are movies that you kind of have. You can't draft Shaun of the Dead, for example, in drama.

You know, that's just not going to that just doesn't wash. So this is a very weird draft. I mean, before Sunset, obviously, we've talked about this film many times on the show. I think we talked about it last on an Oscar winner's draft that we did. This is the second in the Richard Linklater triad of films starring Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy about a couple that fall in and out and in and out and in and out of love you know there's been some conversation of late about Julie Delpy's sounds like lack of interest in doing a fourth film and so I read over the weekend that now Ethan Hawke and Richard Linklater have been talking

about I don't know if you guys saw this, making a film about transcendentalism as their next project sounds like without Julie Delpy, which hurts, honestly. I think it would have been nice to be able to kind of count on a new one of these movies every seven to nine years.

Doesn't seem like it's happening anytime soon. Before Sunset is my favorite of the three. I think it's the most beautifully rendered, even as I get farther away from the period in life that those characters are in. I still feel like that's the one beautifully rendered, even as I get farther away from the period in life that those characters are in. I still feel like that's the one that resonates with me most. I remember vividly seeing it in a movie theater in Baltimore

with my girlfriend at the time, who is now my wife, and perfect ending. I was also thinking I want to do an endings episode one day. So let's germinate on that because I think best movie endings of all time. This let's germinate on that because I think best endings, movie endings of all time. This would be in the conversation for me. I never remember feeling so full of love

and anticipation at the end of this movie. Amanda, would you put Lord of the Rings Return of the King in best endings? Well, you could draft that movie five times in a row because it has five endings. Yeah, because it has five endings.

Don't remember. All I remember is like the eye and things are swirling. And then... You should like it. Hobbits winding up on a boat. They get to basically just hit the Mediterranean.

And they dance around and eat. Yeah. Yeah. Chris, remember when you go see The Hobbit every Christmas for 25 consecutive years? Remember that? And then we also saw

the Benghazi movie one year. Yeah. Yeah. What was that called? 13 Days? 13 Hours. 13 Hours. that called? 13 days? 13 hours. 13 hours. Felt like 13 days.

Anyhow, Chris, you're up. You got two picks. Okay. I am going to go in drama. I am going to go with... Let me revise that. For sequel, I'll go with Kill Bill Volume 2. So this has been on cable a

lot recently and I forgot how much I fucking love this movie it's um I would say 70% of western uh and it was it obviously tipped its cap towards what would become for Tarantino later on with Hateful Eight and Django uh in terms of his interest in you in unpacking and reconfiguring Western mythology as a genre. And it still really, really, really plays and is actually pretty emotionally effective this many years on. I think when Kill Bill came out, I was way more taken up by the crazy 88s and the soundtrack and the fighting and all the cool outfits. And it was a pretty iconic movie, pretty fast.

I feel like I saw a lot of women in yellow jumpsuits at Halloween when the first Kill Bill came out. But it had been a minute since I'd seen Kill Bill 2 and I was surprised by how deeply affected I was. Also, just an incredible ensemble in this one, whereas

Daryl Hannah and Michael Mattson and Carradine are all just really, really incredible in this one. So I'll go Kill Bill Volume 2, and I said that for sequel, correct? And then I will do Collateral for Blockbuster. Michael Mann's Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx movie, one of the best LA movies ever made, one of the best two-handers I feel like I've ever seen, and

just a hallucinatory vision of nighttime Los Angeles and an absolutely horseshit depiction of LA traffic where these guys are just able to zip from LAX to downtown Los Angeles in like 18 minutes.

But yeah, we've talked about Collateral a lot. I just think it's an incredible film. So I'll go with Kill Bill and Collateral. Good picks, Chris. I was thinking about picking both of those movies. Talk a little bit about the Audioslave stock that you had and how it paid off when you saw Collateral.

Dude, you say that to me, but you were so into Audioslave. I like Audioslave. And still are, yeah. I love all of Tom Morello's bands. It's the coyote shot. It's like there's a shot of a coyote with its eyes kind of illuminated.

And I think Tom Cruise recognizes himself in the coyote or as Jamie Foxx sees the coyote. And then just there's an Audioslave drop and everybody in the theater was like, Michael Mann still got it. Yep. I started crying. I was like, this is it.

This is cinema. Have you had a moment like that either of you guys driving across the street and seeing a wolf slash coyote crossing in los angeles just blank stairs right now not driving have i but i have ever have i ever told you my first week in la where we were like renting a little apartment because our other place where we're living wasn't ready or stuff wasn't here i I can't remember anyway. And I like walked out the door to go to work one day and there was like a large creature in the, in the courtyard. I went back into our apartment and said to my husband, there's like a creepy dog with like wolf eyes outside. And Zach was like, yes, that's a, that's a coyote. It was just waiting for you there in Los Angeles. And I didn't know what a coyote looked like.

It's quite large in retrospect. So I had a face down, a greeter, a coyote greeter in LA, but not while driving. Every night before a movie draft, I go into Griffith Park in a kilt and I'm surrounded by coyotes and we commune with one another about strategy. Chris, I'm reminded of something actually that happened in 2012. You may remember this. That was the year that Eileen and I moved to LA and we were looking for a place to move into. And we looked at a number of different houses

that we would move into. We eventually moved into Los Feliz in part to be near you and Phoebe. But we found a house. I don't even really remember what part of town it is it was it was off of the 101 like near the bowl so it would have been like in the hills like kind of in between uh like the valley and and yeah yeah so we uh visited this house and let me just tell you it was a drug dealer house this was like a scarface house it was seven bedrooms five bathrooms it was a drug dealer house. This was like a Scarface house. It was seven bedrooms, five bathrooms.

It was sitting on top of a hill. It had property all surrounding it. And the rent for this house- It had like an open veranda, right? It did, yes. I think it was two levels, in fact, of a veranda. And the rent on the house was the same rent as all the other houses we were looking at.

And I think I was imagining moving to LA and having a big life and a big experience and making a big transition. And I was like, we have to get this drug dealer house. This is going to change our lives. Eileen, to her credit, was like, this seems ostentatious. Something doesn't feel right about this. Why don't we go to the house at night and we'll bring Chris and Phoebe with us and we'll get their opinion. So, I mean, this is when we moved to LA and we were like, I don't know what you do here. Like, I literally don't know what a social life is here. I literally know four people in the whole city.

So we drove the four of us to a home that we were not renting, that we could not enter. And we walked around the house at night. And and one there were several coyotes in the vicinity terrifying because we were not coyote friendly at the moment and two it it was it was a house out of halloween six it's like we we certainly if we had rented that home eileen and i would have been murdered in our house there's no question in my mind and and you and phoebe convinced us that it was not not necessarily a good idea. I think that if I remember correctly, you were almost there with Eileen. It was like 70%, 75% there. And then I was basically like,

man, Eileen, you know what would be weird is if Sean goes away for the weekend and you're here by yourself. You literally did that. Shortly after you rooting for Randy Moss catching that pass is that moment in my all-time hate rankings of CR. That was a brutal day. I was like Daniel Caffey all day. I was like, did you or did you not say we could rent the house, Eileen?

And then we didn't get the house. It was really, really tough. Can I just ask, how many times in your life have you gone to a neighborhood after dark to check out a prospective home? And also like you recruited friends to be at least a part of the endeavor because I have I didn't go to the house, but I definitely have been to a dinner in a remote location in order to prep. So that you could. Yeah.

For walking around another house that you were maybe going to live in. It's important to have life strategies. It's also important to trust the taste and opinions of your friends. You know, I rely greatly upon my friends to keep me in check. And in this case, Chris kept me in check. You later kept me in check on another house. We're in the right house now and everything's going great. We have not been murdered yet.

So I'm feeling wonderful about that. Okay. I think it's my pick, right? Yes. That was a lot of preamble. I apologize. I'm going to take the Aviator and Blockbuster. And I'm doing it for a reason.

I just don't love the Blockbusters this year. You are a real piece of work. Wow, you're upset? You know what this means. What does it mean? It means that I'm the million dollar baby. You could be. you certainly could be uh so there were in this year there were 24 movies that made 100 million dollars which

sounds like a lot but let me just give you a few of the movies that made that much money van helsing you remember that film hell yeah a series of unfortunate events that's lemony snicket right tis the born supremacy yeah the polar express fahrenheit 9-11 got it can i can i be honest i kind of like fahrenheit 9-11 i feel like it has a shitty reputation now but i still think it was i think that was good that that movie came out and was made that's that's just me um but it's a it's a very strange collection of movies and i the aviator is martin scorsese making a film about howard hughes starring leonardo dicaprio i agree with you amanda you're you're it's sort of mid-tier scorsese in terms of its reputation but it is it is a very fun movie and an entertaining movie and obviously beautifully

made as all scorsese movies are when When is the last time you watched it? It's been a while. It's been a while. I made a very strange decision on vacation a few years ago in Hawaii to watch the first half of The Aviator over, I would say, about four nights because on vacation in Hawaii. Listen, it's a three hour time difference. It really catches up with you. I can't think of anything else to watch. You know that we're pretty bad

about watching things on vacation anyway. It was like a big deal that we were like, let's figure out how to work the Netflix in this vacation home to watch a thing. And for whatever reason, Zach and I aren't really compatible when it comes to watching stuff at home. So the aviator is what we agreed on.

And we made it about 20 minutes each night before, you know, vacation fatigue kicked in. And it's definitely fun. And it's like cool to see everybody wearing their like, you know, Halloween costumes being like, I'm Cate Blanchett, You know, hey. But it's very strange. And then it gets really weird. That's my review of The Aviator. I'll tell you what, I'm going to rewatch it tonight.

Okay. I'm going to check it out. I remember liking it at the time. I remember thinking this isn't Goodfellas, but I remember really liking it a lot. It's not unfun, but it's pretty strange. And then once he's just like peeing in bottles for a while, it's pretty weird. But I mean, how relatable in COVID, you know all became howard hughes it's true do you guys know that leonardo dicaprio was also at the u.s open final in addition to brad pitt and bradley

cooper sitting right next to each other on which was delightful but leo was like hidden in the back of a box mask on hat on just full isolation mode in the middle of the final. He can't get sick. He's got to finish Killers of Flower Moon. Nothing but respect for my president, Leonardo DiCaprio. Just every day doing something that I appreciate. Inconclusive on whether Brad Pitt was rooting for Novak Djokovic. So I think the reality is I don't want to know the answer to it. The greatest tennis player of all time, Novak Djokovic? If that's your king, then that's your king. And that's the bed that you've made

and the life that you're living for yourself. It's not a fiefdom. It's an objective fact, unfortunately for you. That's, again, congratulations. Brad Pitt, a guy who I think has really liberated fandom and chooses different teams to cheer for, you know? Okay. Yeah, remember when he was a huge Saints fan? Because isn't he from

Missouri, right? Yeah. So shouldn't he pick? He should be a Cardinals guy, right? Shouldn't he just be like, I'm deep in Mizzou season, just wake me when the bowls are over? Is he a huge, was he a huge Saints fan or was he just interviewed by TMZ like one time? Well, the

Drew Brees moment. It was like, Drew Brees got it. Yeah. But again, it's just like one iconic yeah drew breeze uh finally out of the league now james winston taking over down in new orleans oh cool okay my guys had a fucking hair explosion too have you seen that yeah so have you called him about that drew what's your secret I'm exclusive to hymns. I can't be doing any breeze creams, you know? Oh, my God. Amanda, you have two picks.

I know. I should have taken Kobo. I don't know why I got Nervy, but I didn't, and now I don't have it. First pick was a big advantage in this draft, I think. You know, it's okay to admit mistakes. I'm a mature individual. And I know that Novak Djokovic is not the greatest tennis player to me. And also, I know that I should have taken Kill Bill. That's okay.

Would you have held off on Mean Girls? You probably could have gotten Mean Girls later. I could have, but it's one of those things where i just don't know when you guys are gonna you know get weird or surprise me or pick it and like it because it can only be in the one comment the one category really i mean it could be wild card but yeah i don't know i was waiting if i if it was there i would have taken it a while yeah yeah so i don't know i'm inspired when chris goes with his heart i'm gonna go with my heart obviously in the next one but i just don't

know what category i should do it in because as sean mentioned it's a pretty lame year for blockbusters and it's like am i gonna take i robot no i'm not can i tell you guys a story about i robot though so yeah while i'm while I'm vamping previously I mentioned that I was really committed to the college experience uh in 2004 and I did go to class in in 2004 and one of the classes I took was a like a gut course to fill a science requirement and it was about robotics somehow or like AI or the future I don't really know and it was at Dartmouth you could go to school everyone did like the summer term between sophomore and junior year which for me was 2004 so I took it during the summer and you only took two classes in the summer and I just like took one about robots to like get rid of one of my science credits and this course was so aware of like the low

commitment of its students that they legitimately assigned us go see i robot as homework like that was one of the things that was assigned to me and like please know i have never seen i robot like that is i just was absolutely just wouldn't go see iRobot when that was like the baseline that they asked you. For the college course that I am taking and I still have to this day, never seen iRobot. You hate the uncanny valley, right? Like you're just like, I couldn't give less of a shit about AI. I don't care about robots. I don't know why I took this class. I mean, the other science classes I took to fill the science requirements were the history of astronomy, which is like how they got it wrong for 500 years. Yeah.

And then I honestly don't remember the third one because you had to take three. But yeah, I don't like robots. So I don't think I could honestly even pick iRobot. Did they have you read Isaac Asimov's iRobot? I don't know. That's a great book. I didn't read it, Sean.

That's too bad. It's really good. It was a large lecture course. Nobody was trying very hard. You could just really feel the professor being like, I have to be here for an hour twice a week too. And then also, I would like to enjoy my summer. So you are taking iRobot, is that what you're saying? No. A film you have not seen? I'm not it's just where I'm gonna put Ocean's 12 you know I'm obviously taking Ocean's 12 which I feel is I guess it's the second greatest sequel after Godfather part two if you like really want to you know go historical T2 aliens well Iens. Well, I, Amanda,

in the world according to Amanda Dobbins, like maybe I'll give Godfather Part 2 the advantage, even though it's more like a part in the sequel, you know, it's a continuation of a story. It's very generous of you towards Francis Ford Coppola's masterpiece. It's been on TV a lot recently. I feel like I've watched 15 minutes of God,

of Godfather part two, like many times in the last month, but I love oceans 12 passionately. So legitimately one of the greatest works of art in American history and oceans 12 is better. I, I, I said that Godfather part two is better than Ocean 12 a second.

That's what I'm putting, you know, in my own history books. It's only right that you got this. Yeah, I would have felt really strange taking this. Well, that's when I was like, are you guys going to be mean? Because I thought I could kind of leave it for myself. But what I should have done is take Kill Bill and sequel

and do this in Blockbuster. And I guess I should just do this in sequel because I don't really know what other sequel I'm going to do I think that makes sense at this point because before sunset would have been another option but that's gone okay so I'll do Ocean 12 and sequel

and I guess I'll worry about blockbuster later and drama I mean this is a no brainer I'll be taking the notebook one of the great films of our time and also and drama. I mean, this is a no brainer. I will be taking the notebook. Just one of the great films of our time. And also speaking of movies that were owned on DVD and watched over and over and over, like this is a 2004 film for me,

but this is a 2005 film at a two, like early 2006 film. This was just on in the house all of the time. When did they do the MTV Movie Awards thing? Oh, five. Or did they recreate it later than that? I think it was probably 2004 because they were, you know, they started dating on set and that would be only for promo of the movie. Maybe it was 2005. What a McAdams year, man. Truly. I feel honored to have both of her breakout films. But I mean, this is a movie that should be total garbage.

Just like should be absolute garbage. I don't know if you've ever seen another Nicholas Sparks film. I don't know if you've ever read a Nicholas Sparks book. I am something of an expert in the genre of really weepy, like book club books centered around like a young woman trying to you know figure out her own life and love against social expectations uh and Nicholas Sparks is just not it's not good and the Rachel McAdams Ryan Gosling thing is just extraordinary. I've never seen chemistry like it on screen. It's electric.

They made magic happen. If you're a bird, I'm a bird. I love the notebook. I'm glad you got this. I thought you were going to aim for this in Blockbuster because it actually was eligible in Blockbuster. Was it not? I mean, I'm looking at in-year release. Am I wrong about that?

Maybe I'm wrong. I think you're wrong because i would have the notebook not me oh you're right yeah look at that i mean that's what i'm saying there are a lot of like all the really classics are right there at 80 like 80 million so fucking van helsing 120 million the notebook 80 million i don't know let's do many people were in the record stores on saint mark's not in the people in the movie theaters that year that's right that notebook drop was like

the drought 3 people didn't know it was out there then when they heard it when they got to experience it they loved it they saw that little sticker I put on it

remember the drought 3 that was fire holy shit okay I got three categories left open I'll share them with you they're comedy or horror

sequel and wild card so I've got a little bit of flexibility here. Chris, you're missing an Oscar winner, ain't you? That's why I was so annoyed. Yeah, you're in a tough spot. You got to pick drama and Oscar winner? Sheesh.

Well, I'll start with sequel and I'll take what I think is in the conversation for greatest comic book movie of all time, which is Spider-Man 2. Sam Raimi's movie, which is back in the culture, which Amanda and I talked about a little bit because Alfred Molina's Dr. Octopus will be appearing. Is this the one where they kiss upside down?

I think that's the first one. Yeah, that's the first one. Because that was the whole OC thing, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is how I know about it. Yeah, I think that's the first one. Yeah, that's the first one. Because that was the whole OC thing, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is how I know about it. I think that was the first one, but they kiss again in two. Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, future Oscar nominee, Kirsten Dunst. Very exciting times. Just wonderful

movie. A movie that completely understands what comic book movies should be, what comic books are, how to blend action, humor, terror. Sam Raimi, just total genius total genius genuinely fired up for dr strange and the multiverse of madness i'm not ashamed to say it i'm very excited about that movie uh and a massive hit and probably the movie that is most responsible for things getting fully out of whack because if this movie didn't work uh i think we might not have had the comic book wave that we

had obviously the first superman spider-man movie really matters but the second one being as big of Because if this movie didn't work, I think we might not have had the comic book wave that we had. Obviously, the first Spider-Man movie really matters. But the second one being as big of a hit as it was, I think really unlocked really the next 20 years of culture. So Spider-Man 2, that's my sequel. So I have Oscar winner, drama, and wild card. Is that correct? I think so. Drama's tough. Drama's tough because I think i might get a

little bit of pushback well for drama i'm gonna pick life aquatic it's not a drama but okay it's got some tragedy i was i mean i was gonna try to do this as well um or is this movie really like honestly ask yourself is that movie a drama i mean because it's so daft is that why is because it's like they're all wearing cute outfits and and doing like one-liners i mean there's like long really like morose melancholic passages of this movie it's more of a downer than you remember it's about a father and a son just can't relate to one another i'm looking at imdb.com and the entry for the life aquatic and here are the three genres that it's listed under action adventure comedy well i think that we can

always trust the people look if you want me to go with dodgeball i can go with dodgeball and drummer um i'm just i'm i'm i'm i have been i have been accused of category fraud in the past in the drafts. If you want to go with the Life Aquatic, go with God. If you don't want me to do Life Aquatic and drama, that's okay. I can pick something else. I think you should do what your heart tells you. Remember when you were like fun and nice for three weeks this summer? And now you're just kind of the guilt monster again?

Wikipedia says it is a comedy drama. So if you would like to take it. But you think I'm cheating the guilt monster again. Wikipedia says it is a comedy drama. So if you would like to take it. But you think I'm cheating? No. No. Let me ask you this. I don't think you're cheating, Chris.

Is Man on Fire a drama? Absolutely. Of course. What else could it be? Well, thriller. I don't know. You know,

action movie. I think thriller falls under the bigger umbrella. I'm going to go with Man on Fire then because I feel equally passionately about that film as I do about life aquatic which I have to say with life aquatic I was just really more gonna have it as like an entree to talk about friends dispatch and how I like even the much maligned Wes Anderson movies I find pretty good you know I think that there's like a weird thing with Wes Anderson where you're either like a devotee or a hater and I'm like I just think these movies are pretty cool you know and like some of the three of us agree about that yeah yeah but I'll take man on fire

just to so we don't have any shenanigans you know so we don't have any asterix so I don't get like a man is gonna pull shenanigans shortly when he comes back around to you know you think so he has first of all he has another pick and I already have a drama so okay all right

what shenanigans are you i was just talking about you know living and living and not relying on weird crowdsourced like internet arbiters is the definition of what's a comedy and a drama what the fuck is wrong with you how does that work on imdb is it is it do do the contributors get to identify the genres as well? I don't totally know. What happened to IMDB, man? The short answer is that they let people start voting on stuff. And so I don't know like what tagging and what voting and, you know, what's going on, what's crowdsourced and what's kind of...

There's like a whole other conversation that I would love to have with you guys about whether or not having all these ratings and especially having user comments, especially in these niche streaming services, is effective or not. Because I feel like I've recently started getting scared off of movies on Shudder where someone is just like,

this was shit. And I'm just like, oh, okay. Well, I won't watch this weird Swedish horror movie where the sun never goes down and I'll just keep it moving. But maybe I'm just like, oh, okay. Well, I won't watch this like weird Swedish horror movie where like the sun never goes down and there's like, I'll just keep it moving. But maybe I'm missing out on like Godfather Part 2 of Swedish horror movies, you know? Amanda, you always read the comments.

What do you think Chris should do? Why are you reading the comments, Chris? Because it's like, I feel like I'm part of like, I would like to think that the Shudder community is like- Do you leave comments on Shudder? No. Do you know anyone who leaves comments on Shudder? No. Do you know anyone who leaves comments on Shudder? No.

Do you know anyone who is regularly leaving comments reviewing things? I have to play the fifth on that. Well, that actually is very true. So do I. But okay. So we'll take that knowledge and put it aside. But why would you trust what a random person is? I'm just saying, the dream of the internet, which was in its nascent steps in 2004,

was that there would be a community of like-minded people, or maybe even people who would challenge your worldview, and that there would be a thoughtful discussion about, is this worth your money? Is this worth your time? Hey, I have a question that needs answering. And how is that working out, Christopher? Not great. Not great. So, yeah. So wait,

I have to pick one more here, right? So I have Man on Fire and Drama. So I have Wild Card and Oscar Warner. For Wild Card, I'm going to go with Shaun of the Dead.

So you could have taken Life Aquatic here. I could have. But I was, that was a genre pick i like life aquatic a lot and shout out to those 25 minutes where everybody was like satano valoso is my is my bob dylan you know like remember that that was how many guys did you meet in bars who were like i'm really into tropicalia now you know yeah well was it say jorge was the uh was the the guy yeah and he was doing the cast mates and he really into Tropicalia now. You know? Yeah. Was it Say Jorge?

Was the guy who appears as one of the castmates and he does all the Bowie songs on the soundtrack? It was a great soundtrack. But yeah, I shotted the dead I think is a real value pick for Wild Card

and is such an enjoyable romp. Obviously Edgar Wright has a new movie coming out last night in Soho but this started it all and I still think is probably my favorite of his works. Okay.

Do you like Shaun of the Dead, Shaun? I was probably going to take Shaun of the Dead. I still think it's probably Edgar's first or second best movie. Perfect distillation of a lot of different things. Just talked about it, actually, on the Ring of Earths with Mallory Rubin. We talked about Marvel and horror and zombie movies and it definitely makes my list i mean i gotta take the life aquatic now in comedy or horror since we've talked about it so much i did not shame you and in order to get it i actually was going to take sean the dead in comedy there were mind games i thought that that

was legit like we we went to the booth we reviewed the call we got it right that's what's important you're such a a fair and decent drafter i really i admire your attitude i'm just incapable of such decency chris thank you amanda i have no such if the if the result of my of the of the flag you through is that i get to pick a movie where denzel washington puts a bomb up a man's ass that i think that we all win. True words never spoken. So I'll take the life aquatic with Steve Zissou as my comedy or horror pick. Fun fact, I've dressed up as a movie character very, very few times for Halloween in my life, but I have definitely dressed up as Steven Ned Zissou, my wife and I at Halloween. I want to say it must have been 2005 when we did this

after the movie was released. What are the other Halloween costumes you've worn in your life? Well, he was a he for up until like two years ago, he would go as a Ghostbuster every year. That's true. That's true. Well, actually, I Slimer and I lean into the Ghostbuster. No, I go for the last three years. I've got Thanos every year at the Infinity Gauntlet. I was trying to ask an earnest question about your life, but fine. No, I mean, not very many in my adult life. the last three years I've gone as Thanos every year just get the infinity gauntlet out

I was trying to ask an earnest question about your life but fine I mean not very many in my adult life I'm not a huge I think we may have discussed this before not a huge getting dressed up for Halloween guy did you ever go as Rango that's every Wednesday maybe with a baby in the house

we'll start are you guys going to do the group costumes? yeah I want to do that you should embrace the tradition but push the boundaries do giallo characters should we do the human centipede this year? from Carrie

any suggestions for what we could do? Christopher Walken from the deer hunter i actually would love to do um ron burgundy veronica corningstone and champ kind yeah i'm gonna dress the baby up as champ kind what do you think that's good get a little cowboy hat on her yeah i'll do i'll be brick yeah yeah you become be brick chris that's good get a little cowboy hat on her yeah i'll do i'll be brick yeah yeah you become be brick chris that's good um okay amanda you're up okay well in wild card i'll do napoleon dynamite as previously mentioned um this was a movie that i saw a lot as a well i guess i really only saw it once because it was in theaters. But I suppose once it was out on DVD, we watched a lot. But I have, I guess, fond memories.

What's the catchphrase from this movie? Hold on. What was the t-shirt that everybody wore? Vote for Pedro. Vote for Pedro. That's right. And I feel like I actually saw a lot of those Halloween costumes last year. Yeah.

Before the election. That was kind of fun. So Napoleon Dynamite and Wild Card. Can I just make a note about Napoleon Dynamite really quickly? Sure. So one of the filmmakers behind Napoleon Dynamite, a guy named Jared Hess, he directed a documentary series this year on Netflix called Murder Among the Mormons. Have you guys seen this?

I have not, but I believe Jared Hess is a Mormon. He is a Mormon. Obviously, I think Napoleon Dynamite is set in Salt Lake or somewhere in Utah, I believe. But very different kind of a movie from the odd off-kilter comedies that Jared Hess makes. Pretty good. Pretty good documentary series. I thought it was interesting and about a case I had never heard of. Just going to throw that out there. Okay, I vamped for you, Amanda.

You're up now. Okay, thank you. Yeah, because it's blockbuster and I don't really have a plan here. I'm not going to take Shrek 2. I'm just reading. I've never seen The Passion of the Christ. I'm not going to take Meet the Fockers. Not going to take Harry Potter and the

Prisoner of Azkaban, even though that's like the good Harry Potter movie. Yeah. And like, it is pretty good, but I tried, I rewatched those for another draft or, or something that we were doing. Or you watched a couple,

you just got to get better child actors. I'm sorry. It's, it's really tough. That's, that's where I am. Our own one though. That one is good. All right. Well, maybe I'll take it, but I don. That's the Cuaron one, though. That one is good.

All right. Well, maybe I'll take it. I don't want to talk you into it, but I think it is good. National Treasure had a moment, but I have not seen it since, I don't know, someone being really stoned in college in 2005 or whatever. Polar Express. I didn't like that Tom Hanks face when he was just like being a CGI person. Sharktail. No, I robot.

We discussed Troy. It's like a Chris Ryan favorite. Yeah, not a Brad Pitt favorite. I don't think he was a very happy man on that set, but I Troy David really hot. Yeah, but it's not. I think that's Wolfgang Peterson directed that, right? I think you're right.

Yeah. 51st States kind of funny, but... Not bad. It's not bad. Upper tier late Sandler. Yeah, and I do... I like the Drew Barrymore-Sandler pairing for the most part.

Van Helsing we discussed. Fahrenheit 9-11. Sean discussed a series of fortunate events. The Lemony Snicket thing never really happened for me. Bobby, did that happen for you? Is that your generation? I read the books, but the movies are kind of a travesty. Okay, great.

It was like a lot of friends were reading the books, but there were so many of them that by the 11th one, it kind of tailed off and I had other shit to do. Okay. I had crushing Mets losses to watch. I support it. Speaking of, I mean, there's a lot more than 11 of those, buddy. Let me tell you.

All right. Dodgeball. We definitely watched a lot in college, but I don't think I'm going to take that. The Village. I don't remember what happens in this. The Village is good. That's my take. Yeah.

But I remember seeing it, but I don't remember it. The Grudge. I don't know what that is. Aviator is good. That's my take. Yeah. But I remember seeing it, but I don't remember it. The grudge. I don't know what that is. Aviator is gone. Collateral's gone. Is Million Dollar Baby still on the table? Tis. Oh, no.

Chris. Here's the thing. This is the move, Amanda. I know. Are you going to take Million Dollar Baby? I didn't want to be this person. I didn't know I was gonna do this till this moment so i i did actually i hadn't seen it in a long time and i re-watched about half a

million dollar baby last night that's that's the only half you gotta watch yeah and then the second half you mean and you know spend some time googling and i don't know whether you guys will do this on your clint eastwood podcast so i just wanted to read you the first sentence from the wikipedia page personal life of clint eastwood which is its own page just so you know here's here's the lead you ready clint eastwood has had numerous casual and serious relationships of varying length and intensity over his life, many of which overlapped. Yep. Deep seam. Who can relate?

Congratulations to whoever wrote this Wikipedia page. That's really good. Wow. I'm going to do this. I'm really sorry. I don't like myself right now. I don't like myself right now. I don't like myself right now. I didn't want to be this person.

You took two Oscar winners in this terrible Oscar year. Well, I fucked up. I already said if you hadn't taken... Listen, you have Kill Bill. I should have taken that. Then I would have had Ocean's Twelve and Blockbuster. Then I could have gotten weird. But I don't know.

Do you want me to take the crown is that what you know no no no no i want you to do whatever you need to do but i am stunned that my strategy here where i was just like i'm basically gonna throw oscar category in the trash because i'll wind up with million dollar baby and now i'm gonna fucking have to take sideways yeah this is phenomenal stuff million dollar happening right now baby made 100 million 492 000 which is so mean word of mouth was so strong for so many weeks it inched its ass over the line that much i guess i'm taking a million dollar baby i'm so sorry chris the line. I didn't like Clint Eastwood that much. I guess I'm taking Million Dollar Baby. I'm so sorry, Chris.

I don't, I didn't want to do this. It's okay because I did feel weird because there was a part of me that remembers the turn in Million Dollar Baby and then the last hour of that movie and just being like walking out of that theater and really, really hoping a bus hit me. Like deeply.

Yeah. On like a kind of elemental level, like wanting a bus hit me. Like, deeply. Yeah. On, like, a kind of elemental level, like, wanting to experience oblivion. So, I had second... I had, like, some misgivings about taking it with a straight face, but I can't believe what I am left with now. No, I'm sorry.

I feel really bad. It's pretty amazing. Million Dollar Baby, again, this movie was a huge event. It was like, it was considered a massive comeback for Eastwood.

It won four Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director. I mean, this is basically like his fourth comeback in his career. Such a crazy time capsule too

where it's like, Swank is basically the new Streep and Paul Haggis is like running Hollywood for five minutes. Absolutely.

And it feels like all of that stuff might as well have been 40 years ago when all that went down. And Morgan Freeman also won an Academy Award for this movie. People were shattered by it. I mean, the final 40 minutes of this movie is deeply upsetting. And did either of you guys have any inkling

what direction the movie was going when you were watching it? I remember the sound of the theater when this happened. I saw it on Court Street in Cobble Hill and I remember when it happens. Everybody going, what? And then when they're just like, yeah,

she's paralyzed. This is it. This is the movie. It's really, really dark and powerful but sad and also a little ghoulish when you look back on it and the way that you kind of got strung along. I mean, very well made. As Eastwood dramas go, it's very well made. It's one of the ones that because it just completely swept at the Oscars and everyone was like, this is cinema.

Then we all had to be like, are you sure? Yes. then we all had to be like um are you sure yes and it's like it's somewhere in between those two especially the first half is like a very charming well-made classic sports drama clint eastwood is clint eastwood for a reason um but i did not expect to be drafting it incredible stuff so do you have another pick here amanda no I'm done. So what is your wild card? Napoleon Dynamite. Oh, Napoleon Dynamite. Okay, great.

All right, so I've got a wild card pick left and CR's got an Oscar winner pick. So I can have anything, huh? I can have anything that's left? I'm just going to look at the long list. I'm going to let Chris think for a little while about where he's going to go with Oscar winner. I'm jealous of you, Sean,

because there's a lot of fun movies left. Are there? There's some. Let me just see the long list here. When's the last time... Can I just throw out a movie? Please do. When is the last time any of you guys have seen Huckabees?

When we did the Mark Wahlberg podcast, however long ago that was. So I love Huckabees. So I love Huckabees. I always loved Huckabees. Obviously, it's a movie that had a very controversial production. There was that famous screaming match captured between David O. Russell screaming at Lily Tomlin. But I really felt like, and maybe this is silly. That was, there was like a turning point there with kind of like mainstream big studios funding movies like this.

It were that experimental and philosophical and still funny and still interesting and unpredictable in which like the biggest stars in the world got attached to it. You know, it's Dustin Hoffman, Lily Tomlin, Mark Wahlberg, Jude Law,

Naomi Watts, early Jonah Hill in that movie, Jason Schwartzman, of course. And I think some people think it's total crap and some people think it's total genius. And it's a little hard to talk about David O. Russell these days, but- We didn't know that Disney wouldn't care about what happens in the meadow at dusk. That's's that's that's true i don't know amanda did you like it yeah i don't think i saw it in 2004 i think it was kind of like a later catch-up and at that point had like a little bit of certainly like notoriety around it because of the david or russell lily tomlin dust-up and then like kind of a cult favorite and I was like oh I'll

go see this but I was watching it more as like a this was a like an interesting oddity of a movie after the fact than being like oh my God I had my mind blown at the theater or whatever okay so I'm not going to win this draft

and I'm fine with that so I'm just going to take a movie that I really like I'm going to take win this draft and I'm fine with that. So I'm just going to take a movie that I really like. I'm going to take One Car Wise 2046. Back in the news, because Tony, Tony Leung, what did you, what did you think of Tony Leung and Shang-Chi? It's funny that you bring up 2046 because I would say that I watched Shang-Chi like pretty much as a different sequel to In the Mood for Love and had a great time until the dragons showed up.

I was like, cool. Okay. Like this makes a lot of sense. This would happen later. He's very upset. Really just got to sort some things out. I had a very nice time.

And then I thought the last 30 minutes were just like complete Marvel, like both Marvel nonsense and CGI Marvel garbage on a level that is high even for, you know, I have no patience for that stuff, but I just like couldn't tell which dragon was which honestly. Yeah, I actually felt like, I mean, Chris, I don't want to speak for you, but I felt like you and I had a very similar experience. I really loved like the first hour and a half and thought a lot of it was really well. It was an amazing like blending of movie styles and then it just kind of completely lost me when it went into

the CGI the soul what was it the soul suckers yeah that stuff didn't really work that well but I mean Tony Leung rightfully being recognized over and over again the last couple of weeks and you know 2046 sequel to in the mood for love and beautiful

film Gong Li Fei Wang Zhang Shiyi I feel like a lot of people have been rediscovering Wong Kar-wai in the last year, especially with that Criterion box set. If you haven't seen this film, please check it out. That's my pick for wildcard. God damn it. Chris, you got one pick left. I felt really bad. I got to say, I do not like Sideways. I fell asleep during it.

I do not like it. I don't remember particularly enjoying it when I saw it, probably because I was younger and I was like, I'm not in touch with these emotions. I don't like red wine. What if you, should we do, literally, I'm suggesting this, Sideways Watch along podcast. I think that would be the Calderon's return of the big picture.

I agree, but I also think that there would be an amazing way to make hay of it. Because it also is from a different time in our culture. And we've all been to the place now where it was filmed, right? We have. We all are a little bit more in touch with wine in general. Right. Frankly, it makes terrible wine. So that's another thing, just to say. It doesn't, but every once in a while

you find something good. But I'm with Chris. I'm not a huge red wine person. Would it be entertaining at least to talk through all of the films that are remaining that are Oscar winners? Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to pick. I'm going to pick something for its non,

not because of the movie, but because of what happened around the movie, which even at the time was probably like, it was a little annoying, but it certainly is watching a masterclass and someone be famous, and that is Ray. And this is Jamie Foxx winning for Ray. And Jamie Foxx is...

I am going to win this Oscar. This is predetermined. I am going to charm every single person by showing up at their house as Ray Charles and just being like, every talk show, every Lakers game, every Howard Stern appearance, everything I do, I will throw in, whenever it's needed, a full-on Ray Charles impersonation. I will do a song. I will do whatever. I just admire it. I admire the commitment to the bit. Ray's totally fine

as a movie. I think he's quite good in it. I just would rather pick that. I can't with a straight face be like, of course, Andrea Arnold's Wasp should get this or born into brothels. Like I just,

I think that's not quite in the spirit of the movie draft. So I'm going to go with Ray. Did you consider the motorcycle diaries? Uh, I haven't, I honestly don't even know if I've seen what motorcycle diaries. So it would just be kind of like pretty good film. Yeah.

Walter Salas, uh, adaptation of the Che Guevara diaries. Um, I, here's my take on Ray. It's bad. Yeah. Walter Salas adaptation of the Che Guevara Diaries. Here's my take on Ray. It's bad. Yeah. Is it worse than Sideways? I like Sideways more personally,

but you guys don't like Sideways. Yeah. And you're biopic snobby. That's true. That's true. I am. And I don't take issue with the Jamie Foxx thing. And Jamie Foxx is great.

Remember when Gold Digger came out? That was... Yeah. He was on that press tour for like Gold Digger came out? That was... Yeah. He was on that press tour for like 18 months doing Ray Charles. That was really something. That was a full year

after Ray came out. I don't know. I haven't... I've only seen Ray once and I saw it in theaters and I thought it was real mediocre. It just broke...

It didn't break the way I thought it was going to break. I thought... Honestly, I thought Aviator was still going to be there. Did you just draft Ray so that Taylor Hackford and Helen Mirren could continue to support

the rewatchables? Oh, interesting. They're too busy re-listening to Proof of Life rewatchables. So they can find new nuances in our analysis. I think we're done with the draft. Are we done? Yeah.

Let's do a recap of the 2004 movie draft. Are we done? Yeah. Okay, let's do a recap. Let's do a recap of the 2004 movie draft. In the drama category, Chris selected Man on Fire. I selected Before Sunset. Amanda selected The Notebook. In comedy or horror, no horror films were selected.

Chris selected Anchorman. I selected The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou. Amanda selected Mean Girls. In Oscar winner, Chris got Ray. I got Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. And Amanda got The Incredibles. In sequel, Chris got Kill Bill Volume 2. I got Spider-Man 2. And Amanda, of course, selected Oceans 12. In Blockbuster, CR got Collateral and Audio Slave. I got The Aviator and Howard Hughes with his feet in tissue boxes. And Amanda got the tragedy of Million Dollar Baby.

In wildcard, Chris gets Shaun of the Dead. I got 2046. And Amanda gets Napoleon Dynamite. Interesting collection of draftees. We left some stuff on the table. I certainly thought Born Supremacy

was going to get drafted. By who other than you? Yeah. You guys don't like Born Supremacy? It's okay. Here's the thing. I don't actually come into these drafts trying to take things away from you. Yeah. You guys don't like Bourne supremacy? It's okay. Here's the thing. I don't actually come into these drafts

trying to take things away from you, Chris. I did on this one and I am going to lose some sleep tonight and I definitely try to take things away from Sean.

But I just assumed that Bourne supremacy would be like the Chris Ryan show. Well, I'm glad I diversified my portfolio. There's a couple of others here that I would just shout out.

I know this is going to sound crazy, but I may have seen this movie 200 times at this point. So it'd be weird not to mention Dodgeball, which is on its surface incredibly stupid, but I have seen so many times. It is one of the most rewatched cable movies for me. Should I throw out a couple more?

I mean, there's a lot of comedies that we didn't even... Team America, I thought speaking of time capsule movies, that feels like a movie that maybe didn't even happen, but at the time was such a massive thing. There's a bunch of movies. Friday Night Lights. Yeah. Spartan.

The David Mamet movie with Val Kilmer is quite good. Miracle. Remember Miracle? That was really good about the US hockey team 13 going on 30 I was slightly too old for it but like really a classic

for a generation I'm surprised you didn't take Wimbledon Amanda I think you like that movie I like it but do I like it is I mean

I don't know I know it'd be hard to put in comedy and like I love Paul Bettany and I'm really still have not seen all of WandaVision

or know why she was grieving but love what's happening for Paul Bettany and I'm really still have not seen all of WandaVision or know why she was grieving, but love what's happening for Paul Bettany right now. I think he seems great. He's thriving. What about Gordon State? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'll be honest. It worked on me the first time.

I'm trying to remember. This might be one where it didn't get to me until the backlash had already started so it might also be one where like really annoying people that I went to college with were like oh my god Garden State and even then you know my just you know hatred of other people kicked in I don't think I actually backlashed against it I think I just backlashed against the people who loved it more than I did. And that's kind of the that speaks to the problem of the commentary and anticipation around the movie. If you

had just sat me alone without any information and showed me Garden State, I would have said, I kind of like that movie. It's pretty hokey. And the putting the, you know, headphones on Zach Braff when the shins is playing has become a bit of a sad trope at this point.

But I remember liking it. I'm not ashamed of it. CR, you saw Closer in theaters 12 times. How do you think back on that film? What's closer is the stripper one, right? Natalie Portman plays an exotic dancer. Closer and Doubt confused. They're very different.

I know. I know. Sean, did you like Coffee and Cigarettes? Do you remember that movie? Yeah, sure. The Jarmusch movie? Yeah. Well, there's a great...

Well, RZA is fabulous. Yeah, RZA, GZA, and Bill Murray. And then there's an Iggy Pop Tom Waits one. That one is good too. Is there a Jack White one as well? There's the White Stripes. There's Stephen Wright and Roberto Benigni. Ohi oh yeah and you're a benigni guy you've been a guy since uh johnny stacchino um what about layer cake we didn't talk about that one oh yeah that's a good

daniel craig movie pretty cool movie um harold and kumar go to white castle yeah first film that was also a fun movie i saw that in theaters had a good time Saw Steven Spielberg's The Terminal not one of his best loved films Kinsey Chris you were about

the Kinsey life for a spell there yeah what else Eurotrip people love Eurotrip oh yeah that's a movie that I

that's a cult I never really discovered and of course White Chicks which Amanda loves. Yes. Any other movies that we missed out on? I'm so surprised by how the Oscar movies broke for me.

I know. I feel really bad. There was a reason that I took Eternal Sunshine first with my first pick. I'm glad I got the top of the draft the way I got it. So hopefully people will see clear. Okay, guys. Well, that was a lot of fun. CR, I think you still managed to pull through, but I could be wrong. Amanda, how are you feeling? I feel like your picks are

very true to you. They are definitely how I spent 2004 with the exception of Million Dollar Baby. Yeah, that was very strange. Please remember to vote online unless you're a fan of amanda's in which case maybe go outside go for a walk yeah develop a hobby read a book cook a meal

uh thank you to our producer bobby wagner for his work on this episode later in this week we've teased it a couple of times and there's been a lot of talk about million dollar baby i've been waiting my whole life to do a clint eastwood podcast and we're going to do one me and cr and adam naman is going to join us we're going to pick our top five favorite Clint Eastwood movies because Clint Eastwood, who is 91 years of age, has a new film that he is starring in and he directed. It's called Cry Macho. You may recall a movie I selected in the very first movie auction. Fired up for Cry Macho. You got that for like a dollar, right? I got it for one dollar. And you know what? Clint is priceless. So I'm feeling great about all that.

You bid a dollar on that and it was just radio silence for like a minute and a half. I have no shame. Just like I have no shame about that episode later this week. We'll see you guys then. you