The Big Picture - The 2019 Movie Draft

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

We are drafting again! And Amanda is back! She and Sean are joined by Chris Ryan to pick their faves and foil their pals in a draft of the movies from 2019. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are drafting again. It's the final movie draft of 2022, but we are drafting for 2019. And CR Chris Ryan is here. I have a new name. I'd like you to refer to me as old man Ferrari. I promise you we can keep the first two words in that nickname. No promises on the third. Amanda, it's our last draft of the year. How are you feeling? I feel great. Do you feel like you did very well in the drafts this year? Of course. I feel like through a number of unusual personal circumstances, I stayed true to my vision, you know, which is what I'm trying to do in the draft and in life.

Why is she becoming me? What do you mean by that? Like completely divorced from reality, conception of her own persona. There's not enough room in the studio. I'm certainly feeling crowded out if I have to be honest with you both. Do you know that we purposely sat this way? Well, I was asking, I was like, should we sit on, do you think it's more combative when Amanda

and I are on the same side of the table? Yes, but I think if you had sat in my lap, Chris, you still would have been working against me. Just to be clear, the other chair is not in your lap. Just someone sitting next to you is not, is normal. Well, as the driver of the conversation, I like being able to see you both. Okay. So I'm content. Now, do I feel that you've been conspiring against me aggressively since we began this

tradition some years ago? Somewhat. I do. I do. In fact, in the last draft we had, which you won. Conspiracy makes it sound like we're doing it behind your back. I think we're pretty open about the fact that we're in communication and that we treat each other with dignity. Well, what kind of world is this? I mean, how is this reasonable?

It's like living in Putin's Russia. You're welcome to talk to me about what my draft strategy is. I would happily chat with you about it beforehand. But would you? Yeah, sure. But would you? I texted you last night. I was like, you know what's pretty good is the king. Yeah. No, it's not. That's not what you said. I was like, you know what's pretty good is the king. Yeah.

No, it's not. That's not what you said. And also, remember when he just put his pics in the document? Yeah, that was good. So he is willing to share. I'm not willing to share. I think one of the big letdowns of the drafts of late is Chris trying. Like trying to do something that isn't him. Like what?

Like trying to approximate victory instead of approximating truth. I didn't. The last time we drafted, I didn't do that. I was like, I'm going back to the old me. But people were very upset that you didn't like a movie that they liked and expected you to like. What was it? Gattaca.

Oh, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. You guys get off Tumblr. Come on. Fucking screenshot me. We really have just absolutely transferred personalities. But also like nobody can tell me anything about Ethan Hawke movies.

I make that decision. You know what I mean? Yes, you do. You know, there's a film coming out in a week called Turn Every Page. The Adventures of Robert Caro and Robert Gottlieb, who are the author and editor

of the famed LBJ Corridors of Power series. The film opens with Ethan Hawke's voice. Yeah. It's Ethan Hawke reading like Means to Ascent or whatever. Yeah. Oh my God. I thought of you when I started watching the film.

And did I recommend the movie to you? You did. I did. I said, this looks really good. And you were like, it's awesome. And then I watched it and I loved it. You seen that one? No, I haven't.

I don't know whether I'll be watching it. You definitely will be watching it. It's sick. It's awesome. Why will I definitely be watching it loved it. You seen that one? No, I haven't. I don't know whether I'll be watching it. You definitely will be watching it. It's sick. It's awesome. Why will I definitely be watching it? Are you coming over to my house

and hit and play? No, but I think you'll really enjoy like Robert Caro putting on a suit every day and walking through Central Park and thinking about Lyndon Johnson and then Bob Gottlieb

being like me and Toni Morrison just chopped it up. I gotta say, I wish that that was my career. Took the cat out of Sula. I want to just wake up every day, put a suit on, walk through Central Park and think about my draft strategy. If that could be my job,

I would have the ultimate job. And some people do think that is my job. Maybe it isn't a little bit, but not really. You get in a Tesla and you listen to John Jastrzemski at 2x speed. And I scream along. And then I pause the show and I pretend to call in. JJ, I'm on the bridge!

I'm on the bridge, JJ! What are they doing? Steve Cohen's supposed to be rich! Anyhow, 2019. No blast-teaming Steve Cohen on this podcast. I'll tell you, Bobby and I are living in a high time right now. We are thriving, truly. Did you guys do something?

What'd you do? No, I mean, it just seems like anything could in a high time right now. We are thriving, truly. Did you guys do something? What'd you do? No, I mean, it just seems like anything could happen at any time. But is anything happening? Because I keep seeing guys get like... Is he cloning Prime Era Willie Mays? It's possible. It's in play. The man has money.

Does the number 400 million mean anything to you? Because that's how many dollars Steve Cohen is spending on the New York Mets. But I thought like Correa and Trey and everybody's getting signed. But like, what are you... You guys are like starting Jurassic Park? What are you doing? I mean, it's possible. It's very, very possible.

I don't know. We're recording this ahead of time, so I don't want to suggest something could happen. But if a human is revived from the grave and put on a baseball field, it's in play. That's all I'm saying. Steve Cohen is spending more

than a Star Wars movie made from 2019. Wow. Wow, Bobby. What. Wow, Bobby. What a segue, Bob. Incredible data drop there from WAGS. Let's talk about 2019. This is only three years ago. We like to wait three full years before hitting on a recent draft year.

Do we? I do. Okay. It's part of my strategy. Did you just make that up? No, I did it for 18 as well. I waited until the end of 21. 2019, as you reminded me I said on this very podcast,

I think is the second best year of the 21st century in terms of movies after 2007. Now, I don't think it's as good as 2007 because the highs are not as high, but they're close. And so I've been really looking forward to this draft. Who were you in 2019? Tell us about...

You tell me. I was sitting right across from you doing the exact same thing. This is a good twist. You tell me who I was in 2019. I don't know. You were very calm. I would say very generous and kind. I would say a noble colleague.

Someone who thought about others and who, you know, I think was willing to forego personal glory in favor of someone else's feelings of humility and decency. So it's one of the reasons I've always loved working with you because it was in 2019 when you started that trend and you held forth for three consecutive years. Yeah, you held fast throughout the pandemic. So many of our norms fell away.

Who were you? What were you doing? Well, apparently I was at the movies. Yeah. Well, you? What were you doing? Well, apparently I was at the movies. Yeah. Well, you know who I was. Or were you? Because there were a lot of movies that were also not at the movies this year. The three of us logged a lot of time in that Netflix screening room. Yes. Just watching even the Netflix movies in theaters, which I got to say in retrospect was awesome. And I wish that we still worked two blocks away from it and could go. Economic downturn oncoming aside, I'm surprised that Reed and Ted didn't pick us up. We were the chief, like you guys did it. We were running around

yelling about Netflix movies this year. We were like, what do you mean pick us up? Yeah. Just like purchase our services. Yeah. Yes. Still on the table. Yeah. So dumb. Yeah. Let's do it. Give us a call. Yeah. Well, given the way we will discuss some of their output from this year as opposed to more recent years, maybe that was the right time. Can I throw an idea at you guys? Let's go. When you're making your list of the movies of the year and Sean puts together a lovely letterbox thing, I usually go through the Wikipedia of all the movies released in the year.

I write down like I saw it. Then I cut out the ones that I didn't like or whatever. So then usually I'm, if I just like liked it, if I just had a good time with it. If you ever get a year with more than 50 movies, it means it's a great year. That you like. Yeah.

Because that, in my mind, the perfect movie year and the perfect like sort of state of being is if there's a movie to go see every week. And maybe you don't go see a movie every week, but that is my ideal dinner and a movie kind of Friday night kind of situation. Now, obviously, there's Netflix and there's screenings and there's everything else. And sometimes you see three movies in a weekend and sometimes you don't see anything for a month or whatever. But on average, if you just started January 1st, 2023, and you were like, I will watch these 52 movies, one a week from 2019, you'd have a fucking awesome year of watching movies. I think this was the height of film production in the history of movies, that there were more movies being made in this year than had ever been made before, that were getting some sort of release.

And so part of that, I think, is there's more to choose from. There was more to check out. There was more to see. But, you know, I think it's reasonable to say we will look back on this as the, if not the pinnacle of the art form, the business arriving at its natural financial endpoint. Like, and not just its end game,

but where it was sort of striving towards because of a lot of the decisions that it made in the 21st century. Some of those were good. Some of those were not so good, but you've got peak power Netflix, peak power Marvel, and basically all of the major film studios

not yet conglomerated and churning out full slates and entrusting big filmmakers. Now, we probably were complaining a lot on the show about how things were, you know, we had lost the middle and, you know, there was some sense that we were not where we were in the 90s. You didn't know how good you had it. We didn't know.

You were complaining. No, I think that this was a happy year for us. I'm sure that we were complaining because this is a podcast and that's that's our nature but looking through the list I remembered seeing a lot of these movies with one or both of you or several other people I remember that podcast that we did which is like pretty alarming and I remember a sense of enthusiasm and like oh it's just energy like this is great this is great this is great honestly it just made me depressed about this year reading the list because there were so many things to be excited about and to not have to hedge. So I think that we appreciated it, even if we didn't even appreciate it enough. And how could we?

Because we did not know what was to come. Wags, was this the year you came on full time on the show uh the end of 2018 was when i came on full-time at the show so this was my first real year of producing the show yeah any any memories of who you were and what movies meant to you at that time me slacking you at 1201 am being like did you watch six underground yet yes literally i was like it hasn't even... The title sequence hasn't even finished yet. This was probably the year that I saw the most movies because it was my first full year living in LA.

Most movies in theaters, I guess. First full year living in LA. A lot of great movies being released that were being discussed in the show all of the time. So I think back fondly to this. This was high time for me. Yeah. Also, sadly, I think that it's worth noting that obviously this is the last pre-pandemic year and then just

in our bubble of living in Los Angeles, there are simply more movie theaters. There are more pleasant movie theater going experiences to be had and I think

that sort of clouds even now, like when you're like, okay, it's Friday or Saturday, I'm going to go to the movies or like, where am I going to go

and like, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, we're still mourning the absence of the vista of the Arclight, of a number of movie theaters. The Arclight in Pasadena now, which would have been

very convenient for you and I, Amanda. Like, that's no longer Exton. Like, there's so many places that we did spend our social time that ultimately turned into our work time that are still gone. So that is kind of a drag

to look back on it. It does, it did feel like every week we had an event to discuss. Now, that's maybe slightly overstating it, but not really. There was a lot of great stuff. And I bet if you could redo the year, you would probably make a bigger deal out of some of these movies than you did at the time. You only have the opportunity to do that with a draft, right? Yeah.

Can I tell you who you were in 2020? I mean, in 2019? Sure. You were a person who, at the end of 2019, basically as the clock hit midnight in 2020, started The Irishman on Netflix. And I know this because we spent New Year's together. And this was how you chose to ring in 2020, which is just an incredible omen

that I think we all just need to take a moment to reflect on. I had extraordinary foresight. We're all dying. Yeah. That is what Martin Scorsese knows. Do you know what you were doing at 11.30 p.m. 2019, December 31st? Listening to Versus by Pearl Jam. I remember that.

On vinyl. That was pretty sick. Review mirror! Where is Versus in your Pearl Jam rankings? Number one. Number one?! Yeah. What?! Yeah. That's? Number one. Number one? Yeah. What?

Yeah. That's bold as shit. Is it? Oh my God. It's like, don't most people have that or Vitology? Yeah. But most people have Vitology.

Are you a Pearl Jam fan? I'm a child of the 90s. I'm a no-code guy. No-code. No-code. She's sick. Whatever. It's my favorite.

This is a different podcast. 10? Have you heard 10? Yeah, I've heard 10. I don't like the drum sound on it. Oh. Interesting. The snare is thin.. Ten? Have you heard Ten? Yeah, I've heard Ten. I don't like the drum sound on it. Interesting. The snare is thin. Is it pre-Jack Irons?

Yeah, it's Abruzzi. Dave Abruzzi. What's his name? Yeah, Dave Abruzzi. Sorry to the Pearl Jam original drummer that I'm probably butchering his name. Would like to do a Pearl Jam pod. Not sure if this is the right show for it.

Let's talk about movies. 2019, the Oscars, they were they were good banging they were ultimately good they were a surprise yeah the show was pretty fun we watched it together in the office right yeah in the office and it was going okay and the annoying things like were predicted i'm talking about some of the acting categories that were sort of preordained. Yes, it was very predictable Oscars, up until it wasn't.

But Best Director and then Best Picture going to Bong Joon-ho and then Parasite were unexpected and exciting. And we were thrilled and got on mic and yelled a lot. But that was fun. That felt good. Yeah, so i was uh extraordinarily

sick during our recording of the 2020 uh march 2020 oscars episode in part because i think i had some version of covid on sundance 2020 sure no you never like none of the rest of us got sick and i was like in a recording studio with you for several weeks before and after that yeah so i had something maybe just the Sundance flu, but, uh, I, I think I,

that was a hell of a performance by me screaming about Bong Joon-ho's Oscar victory. As the novel coronavirus. Horsed through my veins. Yeah. Uh, it was, it was a,

it was a cool Oscars, a couple of very memorable speeches, a couple of really good wins. Um, the box office. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's interesting. because at the time

I'm sure I was rending garments and there are some things on this list that I don't care for. Particularly Frozen 2 I deeply do not care for. Wow.

I'm not a fan at all. Is that because you're worried about it becoming the only thing that's ever on in your house? There's a little bit of that but even at the time before I was a father,

I thought it was like the marvelification of Frozen. I was like, why is this such an ornate, weird action movie? Doesn't Andy like Frozen 2? Yeah, he really did. And we had to have a whole thing. I did not like it either. I saw it in Philadelphia on Thanksgiving night. Nope.

It's huge. When I was on vacation with like my entire family and several thousand kids under the age of eight this summer, all they wanted to do was watch Frozen 2 and Encanto and Moana. It wasn't great. The Lion King live-action remake also happened this year. You were like, did you guys see The Irishman yet? They wouldn't let me fire it up,

although there are some young boys who are right on the verge of getting into the MCU, And that actually is fun. They're only watching Spider-Man and his friends. Which is like, that's the starter kit. Soon there'll be Iron Man 3 for those guys. Then you'll be able to hang out with them, Chris. And then, of course, Avengers Endgame became the most successful movie of all time in 2019. I saw that with Chris.

And I had to text him afterwards to ask why people started applauding when Captain America grabbed the hammer. It's the real-ass thing that happened. I was like, yo,

why were those people cheering? So I saw this movie, I saw that movie with Mallory Rubin on the Disney lot at like the Marvel screening. Yeah.

And it was an absolute, it was Lollapalooza in 1994. Yeah. It was, people were fucking swinging from the rafters in that building, man.

They were so fired up. And honestly, it was such a fun way to see it. You know, obviously Marvel is, is not what it was. And for some, it never was anything.

That's what Rise of Skywalker was like. I sat next to Kevin Smith. He shouted, fuck yeah, JJ. That's incredible stuff. I don't know. What do you do? Shall we vamp some more?

Do we want to draft? You want to talk about how we tweaked the category somewhat? I guess Netflix's role in the year is kind of important and reflects how

we shaped this draft. We did make one change. I just completely removed the comedy category this time around because as we did talk about during the show in 2019 comedies were kind of cooked at this point there were very very few we went out of our way to praise long shot we went

to a great screening of long shot one of the most fun experiences of the year in a movie theater i thought two men came out right at that screening we were also like this movie will make 300 million dollars who who in america could not love this? And on paper, Seth Rogen, one of the comedy stars of the century, and Charlize Theron, who's one of the movie stars of the century

and no one gave a shit. Kind of amazing. Probably not a good idea to make a kind of like faux Hillary Clinton style character your lead figure. I don't think that

that was what it was, though. I think it was too hard to explain what the movie was about. Okay. Because she was like, she's like the Secretary of State, right? Yeah.

And she's going to become president, and then he's like, but you're not sticking to your principles. Right. But also we're in love. But that's so sorkiny. I don't know. I mean, on paper, those movies crushed in the 90s. I didn't think it was that complicated. I was just like, I think people were like, I really don't want politics in my comedy.

That's true. Maybe that's it. Especially, I think they expect Superbad or, you know, Pineapple Express 2 from Seth Rogen. So we removed comedy. So these are the categories that we're going with this time around. Drama, a mainstay. Action, horror, thriller, a mainstay. How do you guys feel about that remaining in a little...

I think that's fine. A bow. I prepared for that. Okay. So if you change it now, I'll shriek at you. I promise you I won't do that. Oscar nominee, of course.

You'll be shrieking regardless. I think we all know that. Blockbuster, $100 million or more at the box office, which means there are quite a few that are eligible because of the booming nature of the box office this year.

Wildcard. And then our sixth entry is Streamer. This is a film that was funded by and or premiered on a streamer. Will you, but obviously there's some caveats of like it might have been out for like a week or two.

They can open in theaters. That's okay. They can have their qualifying runs, but that these are primarily the the bailiwick of the streamer. Now, I don't know if we will ever do this category again. This may be the last time.

I don't know if streamers will ever be this good at making movies again. But I wrote down 25 movies that just qualify for this category, 15 of which I legit could draft and feel decent about. Five of which are among the best movies of the year. So, a little wrinkle for this draft. You ready for that one? I am. You ready for action horror thriller? I am. Okay. You ready for that one? I am. You ready for action horror thriller? I am.

Okay. Are you ready to draft? I am. Bobby, are you ready to settle on a draft order? I am indeed. You were trying to psych me out there with action horror thriller. But I'm ready. I would never try to psych you out.

I have your back. It may not feel that way all the time, but I do. Dobbins. Amanda, you're selecting out. I have your back. It may not feel that way all the time, but I do. Dobbins. Amanda, you're selecting first. Oh, damn it. There's a couple. I feel like nobody wants the first pick anymore. Yeah, because this one, when there's so many options, it's like you don't want to have to be the one to.

To choose Lego Movie 2 first overall. Yeah. I tell you what, I saw Lego Movie uh in theaters at a 9 a.m screening chris's second i'm third that's not that's not ideal for me uh i saw lego movie two and it was sick okay again before i was a father yeah i was a man alone in a movie theater surrounded by dozens of children yeah well so i was gonna ask you what age are you gonna take alice to those screenings well you know they do the ones at the el capitan in hollywood for disney movies yeah and they're just delightful they have the pipe organ going sure yeah that's what i'm saying is that where they did avatar yesterday

i assume people were posting pictures of like an organist at the chinese across the street but um you know we've seen a eileen and i've seen a handful of pixar movies together there and yeah honestly when she's like four years old and she... Okay, so it's got to be four. I mean, there are probably parents

listening to this right now who are like, who are you kidding, bro? It's going to be six. But hopefully it'll be four. Okay. Alice is very focused. I wonder if Alice

will just get straight into long form television. No, Jala Horror. Just be like, I need to watch the English. So, there's, you know, the Cinephile, the movie trivia game?

Yeah. Yeah. We played that for charity a couple years ago. So Corey Everett, who created that game. We also played it that New Year's Eve in 2019. Oh, did we? Yes. Jesus Christ.

Oh, let's run it back. Let's run it back this year. We can, but it's like. Let's get Allison Knox in the mix. What is the point of, like, you know, spending significant moments in my life with you as a friend and you remember none of it? Like, literally none of it. This has been happening more and more. Yeah.

Not just to you, just so you know. Okay. My brain is leaking. I've seen too many films. You do. Yeah, I think that might be it. Yeah, it's definitely an issue. I was just going to say that the creator of Cinephile, Corey, he wrote, he's written a series of children's books

that are primarily film focused. I just received them today. They're board books. Oh, that's really cute. French New Wave, Film Noir, and Italian Giallo. And they're for children. And they're just picture books that have like identifying themes or factors like, you know, that happen in all of these movies.

And on the one hand, it's like, here is a middle-class woman. She is also a prostitute. Not so far off, candidly. Um, but they're really,

I mean, as board books go, and we are deeply familiar with board books now, Amanda, um, they're really cool and they're like pretty cool Christmas presents or holiday gifts or what have you. So just, that's a,

that's an idle plug. Yeah. That's a nice, that's an idle plug. Yeah. That's a nice, that's a nice thing. Um, okay. So Chris has the second pick and Amanda has the first pick and I have the third pick.

You, you seem stricken. I think there are two things to do and I don't, I just don't know who I want to be, you know? Okay. Yourself or the winner here. You know, there's one movie that you should pick yep otherwise you're a coward no otherwise you betrayed who you proclaim to be okay who i

proclaim to be or who see i mean that's the thing but there's another movie that i want, but you guys... Fine. Fuck it. Fine. I'm gonna take fucking Parasite in Oscar nominee. Oh, that's not what I thought was gonna happen. Betrayed? She just betrayed her entire gender. It's extraordinary that you just did that. Especially the little part of her gender. And she will pay the price for that.

Really? You're gonna take it? And you deserve it. Well, I didn't think that that was what you were talking You're going to take it? Yeah. And you deserve it. Well, I didn't think that that was what you were talking about. I thought there was something else. If you want to take that one, that's fine. And you're an asshole. What category is Parasite going? An Oscar nominee and winner because it won Best Picture.

Parasite was my best movie of the year in 2019. So I'm actually staying true to myself. What are you gonna say alright I'll tell Greta when I see her for the Barbie interview you know what

I sat across from Amanda Greta and she betrayed you it's on my list she betrayed Flo she was eating Cheetos Saoirse yeah Timothy

Bob Odenkirk I love all the wonderful performers in that film I love why are you being such such assholes I'm just saying

don't take the movie okay Parasite that's great I love Par why are you being such assholes? I'm just here. Also, don't take the movie. Okay, Parasite. That's great. I love Parasite. One of my favorite films. Do you like Parasite? Did you see that? Did I see Parasite?

Yeah, I caught that one. I don't think we discussed it. Uh, like socially? I was like, yeah, Parasite's really good. Do you know? How disappointed

do you think listeners of the podcast would be if they saw the dumb shit conversations we had day to day? I think that they would be like, oh, this is so predictable that this is how they talk to each other. But also like, oh, they actually save all their good stuff for the podcast. Do we? Except when we saw Ambulance and we went like crossed elbows, smashed each other's arms in midair during the screening.

When he was like, it's Kashmir! 102 miles per hour back home. It was great. It was a good time. I am up. Yeah. I'll take Once Upon a Time

in Hollywood and Oscar. That was the other one that I was thinking about taking. Until you betrayed your gender. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yeah, it's good. I feel like some of my memories of this year are very tied Time in Hollywood. Yeah, it's good. I feel like some of my memories of this year

are very tied up in this. I remember my wife Phoebe's joy at chatting with Quentin Tarantino about the soundtrack to this film and her buoyancy when she came home from seeing it for the first time with you. That's right. I remember your buoyancy

as you walked into Musso and Frank after watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for your birthday movie and sitting down and having a big old steak like a champ. Yeah, that was really nice. Released on my birthday. Incredible experience. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of awesome. It was like the trailer was really good.

The movie happened. It became a huge part of our lives. I think about it all the time. It's kind of cool to drive around L.A. and the fucking lights and all that and uh yeah I mean in some ways this was like the last great um collective movie experience that I can remember in terms of like how many people in my life it seemed to draw in so very special film nothing ever lives up to our hopes and expectations and this was one of the few really the last five years where I was like yeah God, if he gets this right, I'm going to be the happiest person alive. And I felt like he did.

And it was just very exciting. Very exciting. I always draft his movies first. I know. He's pointed this out to me and tested whether or not I'm the super fan I claim to be. Okay. Yeah. But in this case, I had no choice.

So you're up for two now. Congratulations. What are you going to do? What if I was just like, crawl in Ford versus Ferrari? I would salute you for the rest of the pod and not drop my hand. I know you would.

Maybe we should leave Ford versus Ferrari undrafted just for you, just for your honor, Bob. CR over here is really just going to... Fucking Iacocca is coming through. Johnny Iacocca. drafted just for you just for your honor bob no cr over here is really i'm fucking ayakoka is coming through johnny on ayakoka uh hmm okay well this is worst case scenario for me right like those are those are one two on the board i don't understand why you were so why you were stricken with the first pick well i was also thinking about once upon a time in hollywood but that you were stuck between choosing two.

Yeah, that was my other one because I also really love that movie and I have the similar memories of seeing it and the Cinerama Dome and then we all went out to dinner and you're just like movies. I was very moved by it. I believe we split some escargot that evening. Yeah. God, I love escargot. And I also knew that you both love it and so taking it away from you

would be like a little bit of joy for me but i still think parasite is one of the 10 best movies of the of the decade agree so i went with parasite are you a big escargot guy i don't think i've ever split a i think it's rank and disgusting you're not an adventurous eater that's not true what no you aren't yeah what is happening here very like a Mennonite you're like I'm just gonna sit here with my steak and stare at it no condiments no sauces no cilantro no dill no broccoli I can listen all you just named tons of stuff that has nothing to do with being an adventurous yeah I I am an adventurous eater but there are things that I definitively do not like. Right.

There's a difference. There's a lot of things. You don't eat milk anymore? I don't. You don't eat milk. You drink milk. Yeah. That's true.

I don't care. If you eat it, it's gone bad. I walked by him the other day in the sort of common area of our office, and he was eating cereal dry. That is psychotic. That's what I do. I eat dry cereal. Yeah. That's like...

And meanwhile, you're turning up your nose at Escargot. But you know how people would be like, I never would have guessed it. He was such a nice guy. It's like, they wouldn't say that about you. They would be like, I walked by him and he was eating raisin bran with no milk. So I fucking knew he was going to do this.

Do you have like serial killer vibes to you? We all do. In our own ways. I tell you what, before we did the rewatchables, The Matrix Live

at South by Southwest probably three or four years ago, I remember I was sitting next to Jason Concepcion and he was looking at his notes and kind of preparing and he turned over to me

and he was just like, how are you feeling? Like, do you have any jitters? And I was like, no, I'm fine. And he was like, oh, that's right. I forgot you're a serial killer. And I was like, is that a thing? Like, is that have any jitters? And I was like, no, I'm fine. And he was like, oh, that's right. I forgot you're a serial killer.

And I was like, is that a thing? Like, is that something that is said about me? And you've confirmed it. So thanks for that. I just don't like milk. I feel like it makes me feel sick. I've said this before. I feel like it's unnatural.

You always have one of these justifications. You're just like, well, I just don't like how it tastes. Even though escargot tastes like butter and garlic. Yeah, it's fucking delicious. I can't believe I now have to have my holidays spent with people in my mentions about how good escargot tastes like butter and garlic yeah it's fucking delicious okay and it's you can't believe i now have to have like my holidays spent with people in my mentions about how good escargot is like this is this whole podcast what the fuck did i do i don't know why i did this uh i have to make some selections wait so where did you put uh what did you pick anything i haven't picked anything oh okay i need to pick something uh i'm just gonna take my two

favorite movies that are left on the board okay um i'm gonna in in oscar nominee i'm gonna take the irishman okay martin scorsese's mega classic that i've watched four times and then i frankly have been thinking about watching again um it is quite a commitment to watch it especially when i need to re-watch films like bardo uh second time i just can't believe it's something i did but i did do it okay uh i'm i'm only doing it the once we're pre-recording this just so you know i don't blame you for that i was revisiting bardo last night and not feeling great about it but netflix this is what they do yeah they empower great cinema voices sometimes less great but perceived as great martin scorsese

of course one of the greatest maybe the greatest ever This is kind of like his capstone on his gangster mythology slash T-mythology demythologization. It's a beautiful and fascinating, deeply sad film about regret and misspent life and never really having any friends. And I will say it resonates deeply as I sit here and draft with you guys. It's beautiful. You both stab me in the heart and in the back at the same time. Okay. Um, and then in drama, I'm taking Uncut Gems. Yes.

Good. Congratulations. This movie, uh, makes me feel alive. It is sort of the emotional inverse of The Irishman. And I'm just so, so excited that the Safdies and Adam Sandler are reuniting to make something else because it's very rare that something fresh feeling happens. This is another one that felt like you're like, did you know that, like, can you believe Kevin Garnett and Adam Sandler are going to be in a movie from the Good Time guys? And it's, and it's be about gambling on sports.

And we were just like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, I remember hearing about this movie very early on when they were getting started. gambling on sports and we were just like what the fuck are you talking about yeah i remember hearing about this movie very early on when they were getting started and having gotten to know josh and benny a little bit after um their previous film and when they started explaining it to me i was like is this a prank or like is this like an oringer original video that chris has been working on like it's so fake seeming and yet they managed to pull it off and not only pull it off

but like it's a movie that very quickly I think got into the consciousness of people who care about movies and really resonates. referenced, quoted kind of movie among our

A meme legend, right? This is how I win and you know all that stuff but it's just a it's just an ass kicker of a movie. It's just totally electric

and I love it. So happy to have it. Also watching this movie one row ahead of Sean, Chris, and Bill all in one theater, that was so... Just kind of like our heads bobbing back and forth. Yeah, that was like a very intense experience. I think I saw it in theaters four times. So, I love it.

It's great. Okay. So, back to CR. There's a lot of stuff on the board that I want. There's so many good movies from this year. But I'm going to do a little bit of category work here and take the board that I want there's so many good movies from this year but I'm gonna do a little bit of category work here

and take the one that I want from a category that I don't think has a lot this year and that's so I'm gonna do

Midsommar in action horror thriller interesting yeah okay fuck me up Flo we saw this film together yep

I felt like when you finished seeing it not that this is sort of uh opinion neutral but you were in like a little bit of a daze yeah i think i think the i was gonna say the first half of this movie fucked me up but that that would only tell half the story that the second half of the movie fucked me up too and that i actually like this i wouldn't say far more than hereditary but more than hered. And I think is one of the most disturbing movies probably that I've seen since we started

doing podcasting together. And is just an absolutely mesmerizing fucking horror movie. Even if you want to call it a horror movie, I don't know if you do. I think it's reasonable. I'm sure I made this point when we talked about it when it was released,

but no horror movies take place in the sunlight. This is one of the only horror movies. There are parts of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but very few horror movies are brightly lit.

This is one of the most brightly lit movies in recent times. Ari Aster has a new movie coming out next year called Bow is Afraid, previously known as Disappointment Boulevard.

Right. Starring Joaquin Phoenix. Who's on the poster? Is that like young Joaquin? I don't know. I assume so. It's got his name right on top of that poster. But let's just say I'm eagerly awaiting this film. I once upon a time read parts of

the script of Bo is Afraid when they leaked online. I regret doing that now because that's the film. But man, Ari is just, he's great. It's a great pick. Thank you. Back to me. You got two.

All right. In Streamer, I'm going to take a film called Marriage Story, which is Noah Baumbach's deeply personal film about divorce and pretty much his. It absolutely wrecked me and Sean as children of divorce. CODs. CODs. CODs. One of our better episodes ever. Yeah.

This movie is amazing. And peak Baumbach and specific to all of the, you know, overeducated, hyperverbal, location-specific worlds that are part of what I love about Baumbach and then also kind of his most emotional and open and heart-rending film. Amazing Adam Driver performance

that should have won an Oscar, but whatever. And I think I put it in my top three bomb box up there with Francis Ha and Kicking and Screaming. So I can't remember, but it definitely is now. Anyway, so that's Marriage Story and Streamer. And then I think I have to be strategic here.

So in Action Horror Thriller, I am putting my money where my mouth is and taking Triple Frontier so that neither of you can take that from me. That's okay. Okay. That's great. Yeah. That's a good move. I mean, I obviously am like a little bit heartbroken. Sure. Right. Which is why I had to do it. I was hoping to catch it in Streamr. Sure. But that movie in some ways exists as a greater work of art in my mind than it does in reality. Well, at some point, we have to commit to this podcast and to ourselves. And the rest of the world did not, but we all did on Triple Frontier, which is still

one of the most hilarious, invigorating, ridiculous pieces of Netflix cinema. I have no issue with this. You loved it at the time. I loved it. Yeah, yeah. We all loved it. It's the right thing. Chris and I shared a Twix. I loved it. Yeah, yeah. We all loved it. It's the right bit. Chris and I shared a Twix.

That's right. Yeah. The Metallica was blaring. There's two pieces. Do you know how Twix works? It's just a normal. How scary. It wasn't like fucking Lady and the Tramp.

We like gave each other Twix. Now that is a disturbing image. It's you two going toe to toe, nose to nose on a Twix. Give us a big plate of Escargot. You never know what might happen. You guys are just disgusting. I can't believe the way you talk about food. It's vile. nose to nose on a Twix. Give us a big plate of Escargot. You never know what might happen. Exactly. You guys are just disgusting. I just,

I can't believe the way you talk about food. It's vile. It really makes me ill. There's two Twixes in a Twix package. Each of us got one. You wouldn't do that? This is starting to sound

like a sponsored segment, frankly. It was really good. Right Twix, left Twix. I would welcome some Twix is one thing I will say out loud. But you wouldn't share a Twix. No, of course not. You've had meals with me. I would never share dessert. I one thing I will say out loud. But you wouldn't share a Twix. No, of course not.

You've had meals with me. I would never share Twix. I've never had a meal with you. You're always eating your food and I eat my food. What are you talking about? All right. I wanted to ask Chris a question. Okay.

So you've always been committed to vests. But do you think like your next level vestness was influenced in any way by the fashions of Triple Frontier? It's a great question. I think in general, the special forces have had a lot to do with how I dress. Yeah. Especially special forces at rest. Sure. Guys wearing, I've even started experimenting with putting my glasses on a necklace.

I haven't seen that, but I'd love to see that. I was thinking about like breaking that out when it gets like warmer in LA and just walking around, maybe just sunglasses on, on a necklace. Right. Um, you know, a lot of compartments in my vest just in case. Listen, it's good to be prepared. Okay. Um, and I would, I would support that for you. Yeah. Triple Frontier was a great time. Had by all. CR, you're up. Oh, my pick. Okay, so I got

my Oscar nominee. I guess I'll take Avengers Endgame and Blockbuster just because it was like a really fun collective experience. So lame.

Don't fucking shake your head at me. So lame. Why? Because you didn't even like it that much. I did too. It was a good movie.

You're so mad. This is the bad beat for me, this whole draft. This is the bad beat. Bad beat for you. Yeah. You got the Irishman and Uncut Gems.

Who cares? It's no fun now. You know what? What do you mean it's no fun? Why are you being such an only child? We're the only children. This is how I felt about Survivor last night where I was like,

we've done this too much. Oh, you think I'm too good at it? We've come too far. You think I'm too good at drafting? No, it's all about draft order. It is only about draft order. I could have painted a beautiful picture at three. Do you want to start again?

I will even... And you go at one and I'll go at three? Let's do it. I'll put Endgame back on the board. Yeah. You would like to start again and change the draft order? Just do everything. Yeah, you can go first and we can start over right now.

You want to go first? We'll go fast. I don't care. You can go first and we can start over right now. You want to go first? I don't care. You can go first. I'm ready at any picking order. This is the most online FIFA restart the fucking match shit

I've ever heard on a podcast. Well, first he tried to say that I wasn't being authentic and then he was like, now actually it's just like the rules of this game is broken. Let's do it.

Go ahead. Let's play. It's Chris Ironman 3 Ryan over there. Come on. What's not authentic about Endgame? No, I don't want to restart.

I don't want to restart. Well, no one likes your attitude right now. You know? Well, it's your fault. It's Byron's fault. Could have been a better day. I didn't pick Avengers Endgame. Could have been a better day.

Okay. Is this really happening? I can't tell. Are you really mad that I picked Avengers Endgame? I like this movie. We really believe you. Yeah, but it's like, I have to pick something out of Blockbuster. There's a couple of things in Blockbuster that I have in other categories that I can go for.

Okay. I'm being very authentic to myself in terms of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Midsommar. Yeah. You know, like I... You got it. I have sour grapes. It is what it is. Well, now it's not fun for anyone.

Well, it's over though, but it's over. How is it over? You win every draft. Well, that's not true. Dude, when's the last time you lost a draft? Why?

Who cares? What was the last draft? I don't remember. Did you... You really woke up today and you were like, I'm going to win the draft? I didn't.

That was what was animating you? I didn't. Like, what's going on? No, I didn't remember. Did you, you really woke up today and you were like, I'm going to win the draft? I didn't. And that was what was animating you? I didn't. Like, what's going on? No, I didn't. But I did want to get certain movies. I mean, you enter. Sure. Are you worried about like the viability of drafting?

Here's the thing. Okay. I have done so many episodes of this show with Amanda where I'm like, here's what's really fun about this Marvel movie. And Amanda is just like, no, it stinks. No. And I, you know, I've obviously turned on Marvel a little bit in recent years. But this was an authentically great movie going experience for me.

I loved this movie. So I was like, I'd like to get Endgame. Now, maybe I should have made a mistake. No, but it was my mistake. I should have taken it in the first two picks that I had. You got your fucking Uncut Gems and Irishman are like U-Core. Yeah, but you might have taken either of those movies. There's just too many movies to choose from.

And I picked third. That's what it boils down to. The last movie draft was 1997. And Amanda won it in, frankly, a landslide. Yeah. Yeah. Because I picked a movie called Titanic. The best James Cameron movie of all time.

At least you're being gracious. And then you sang the Men in Black theme song four different times, which was great. It's a great theme song. I just... What was the draft order last time? I think I was third. Yeah. See? Because great things can happen from any

part of the board. As long as you believe I just don't know where do we lose you and how can we bring you back I thought you were having fun this is one of our

favorite years together I was it was it's been tarnished and I took I stole your favorite movie Avengers Endgame

well I've located a good bit now that I need to hold on to what Joel, your favorite movie, Avengers Endgame? Well, I've located a good bit now that I need to hold on to. What? You getting really weird and silent? Getting sad. Yeah, me getting sad on the pod, which I don't think I've ever done before. I think I'm going to lean into this a little bit more now. I just want to be a kid again, you know? And you've taken that from me, you know?

It's like you stole my Twix. That's how it feels. It's your fucking turn. Because you wouldn't share it. That's probably true. That's probably the issue is that I won't share. Okay. I have two picks.

Yeah. We're not restarting the draft. I'm not 14 years old. You may not always feel that way. In Blockbuster, I'm taking Knives Out. Okay. Which is getting a sequel that is coming out i believe on this day that this episode is coming out uh glass onion a knives out mystery first knives out

kind of uncomplicatedly dug and thought it was a lot of fun and i thought the second one was a lot of fun too and uh it's nice to have a new modern franchise that doesn't feel bound by most of the franchise bullshit. Love mystery thriller whodunits. Love Rian Johnson movies. Kind of a no-brainer. Do you think that Knives Out doing the double dip sequel deal with Netflix

and this sort of like, Knives Out's sort of out in 50 theaters or whatever and now it's on Netflix a month later is a story, is a metaphor for what happened in the movie industry

in the intervening years between 2019 and now. He's already sad. Stop setting him up for this. No, I mean, of course it is. Of course it is. I mean, it is.

I know. You know, I... I was like, what are you doing? Can you just bring him back to slightly happier pastors? I think it's impossible to blame Rian Johnson and Ron Bergman, his producer, for taking that amount of money that was offered to them.

Like, anyone would do that, and I'm sure it basically changed their lives forever, and they get to make the movies they want to make and all that is great. But yeah, I mean, and that movie is going to do fucking gangbusters

on Netflix, Glass Onion. It's going to end up being the most watched movie probably in the history of their service because it's a lot of fun. It's easy to watch. It's perfect over the holidays.

Sequel to a movie that everybody loves, but it's also self-contained. Got big stars in it. Easy to promote. A million reasons why it made sense for Netflix to do that too. But yeah, it's fucking depressing-contained got big stars in it easy to promote a million reasons why it made sense for netflix to do that too uh but yeah it's fucking depressing it's really fucking depressing yelling at us you've got knives out i'm not yelling i'm talking about the death of

the thing that i care about the most is my family do you want to trade something no no no that's not you have a second pick here let's let's let's I know but this is what's sad pick the mood up I think if I had gotten Endgame and Knives Out and Lost I would've been fine with that I would've been like

I love my slate it's it's platinum across the board I would've been able to pick something weird in Wildcard and felt good about that what would you do

and now I can't if I was doing what you were doing I'd be doing the same thing you both are doing which is being rude about it okay if I just started getting

like really upset at Amanda about Triple Frontier and I was just like, I don't want to do this anymore. Did I say I don't want to do this anymore? No. But that's the vibe

you're giving off. I just think I gotta, I gotta rethink the drafts a little bit. Why? Because you're not getting everything that you want? No, no.

I've won enough. That's not the point. It's more just like. We're running out of years. We gotta come up with some cool stuff, right? What do you want to do? What's I've won enough. That's not the point. It's more just like... We're running out of years. We gotta come up with some cool stuff, right? What do you wanna do? What's your idea?

I'm having a great time. I want you to take another pic. Yeah, you got Parasite, though. Yeah, no shit. Of course you're having a great time. I guess I'm gonna look at action horror thriller here.

Some nice films. Yeah, for sure. Some quality material. You're a big Ma guy. You know? Was this a good horror year? It was okay. It was okay, right?

Yeah. Because there were a couple of big ones, a couple of noisy ones, but like... It and shit, but like, you know, it was almost like

a weird blockbuster horror-y rather than like you and me getting real disturbed by shit. I feel like now that this draft

is played out the way that it has, the movie that I force Amanda to watch from 2022 has to be, like, really fucking depraved. Like, really vile. Like, the sadness. Should I make her watch that? Well, you can't make her watch Speak No Evil. I don't think that...

I already know what that is. I don't know that the podcast could come back from that. We talked about that over Thanksgiving. You acted it out for me. I did. Remember when I explained it at Eileen's birthday party? Is that when that was? Oh, I thought it was Thanksgiving. You acted it out for me. I did. Remember when I explained it at Eileen's birthday party?

Is that when that was? Oh, I thought it was Thanksgiving. Yeah, that was wholesome. Our friends Anna and Clay were like, wait, what? That was funny. What if I just took Murder Mystery

and the Adam Sandler Jennifer Aniston movie? Just had the Sandman core. Whatever it takes to make you happy had a nice time yeah at murder mystery yeah they're making a

second I know yeah to murder to mystery I mean they filmed that on location on the Mediterranean so once again I'm available oh that's right that's why you like yeah

yeah also it's a murder mystery which I enjoy hmm I'm taking Ford versus Ferrari in action horror 3 fuck yes there we go I like what took you so long to get your I'm taking Ford vs. Ferrari in Action Horror 3 fuck fuck yes there we go

like what took you so long to get your juice back look at Chris pretending to be mad no I'm not I fucking just watched Bernthal be like he spent every last

of his lira chasing perfection and now he's broke was he doing Baltimore Iacocca I don't know Enzo old man Enzo so when we And now he's broke. Was he doing Baltimore Iacocca? I don't know. Enzo.

Old man Enzo. So when we, when that movie was coming out, I went to the Fox lot to sit with James Mangold and I sat in his office for two hours and spoke to the man. You heard about an hour

of that conversation on the podcast. He's so much more revived now. Well, Ford vs. Ferrari rips and there's no two ways about it. Obviously, this is a, it's a WAGS Hall of Famer, but I saw it.

It was the opening night or the sort of opening patron screening at the Telluride Film Festival. And so the patron screening is all of the people who give money to that festival and all of the media convene on the first day, the first afternoon. They introduce the slate of films that they're showing, and then there's a surprise movie that has not been teased. It's usually not even a movie that has been promoted as being part of the festival and ford versus ferrari was the film and this was my first telluride and man i was like this is is this going to be the greatest movie festival of all time like am i gonna and it and it was the film festival that featured uncut gems among many other movies i loved waves another movie that i loved that year. But this is like a bone

rattler. I love a bone. I love a really loud, intense sports movie. And that's what this is. So it's a keeper. Ford vs. Ferrari. There you go. You're getting your mojo back a little. I'm back. You could sense that you were taking something away from Chris. You got to talk about Telluride.

When he caught the hammer, I was like, to me, that is cinema. I really did like that. Yeah. I was very excited. I that's so did a lot of people. Yeah. And I understood the significance once Chris explained it to me.

I just wanted to be able to render that appreciation. It's because you're not allowed to hold the hammer unless you're Thor. But then Captain America was like worthy. Well it's not even not allowed. No one else is really even capable. No one's been deemed worthy. Very few people have been deemed worthy. But then Captain America is worthy. Did you see Thor, but then Captain America was like worthy. Well, it's not even not allowed. No one else is really even capable. No one's been deemed worthy. Very few people have been deemed worthy. But then Captain America is worthy.

Did you see Thor Love and Thunder? No, I didn't. Natalie Portman also wields the hammer. Oh, okay. In that film. Or a hammer. Oh, you didn't see Thor Love and Thunder? No, because I was on break

and then I think it came on Disney+, but the ship had passed. Yeah, there is actually a ship in that movie. So it's a very apt phrase. It's not a very good film. That was the other thing. I did listen to the Big Picture podcast episode about it. I thought we were polite, but it's not a very good film.

Yeah, you were polite. I mean, it was amusing to me to just track your Marvel meltdown in real time over the course of the year. That's true. That was the one where I was like, we got big problems. Yeah. They can't techo ytd can't do this right we got we got big problems and uh someone pointed out to me yesterday uh wakanda forever kind of stalling out at the box office now a little bit maybe not even reaching where we thought like 700 million 700 million but that originally was projected like 850 and now they're kind of pulling back on that and it's like oh okay this is a little bit of a,

it's everybody's getting rich and it's fine. And the Disney corporation is going to be fine, but it's a little bit of a perilous state where it's like the exhaustion has set in. Yeah. In 100 meters, turn right. Actually, no, turn left. There's some awesome new breakfast wraps at McDonald's. Really?

Yeah. There's the sausage, bacon and egg, a crispy seasoned chicken one. Mmm. A spicy end egg worth the sausage, bacon, and egg. A crispy seasoned chicken one. Mmm. A spicy end egg. Worth the detour. They sound amazing. Bet they taste amazing, too.

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I got my Oscar. I got to do streamer, drama, and wild card. And for streamer, well... Two biggies for us on the board, I feel like. There's a bunch of good movies. What are you going to do? I don't know. I don't know i don't know i think i'm gonna be true to what i said after at the end of 2019 when we were doing our best movies of the year podcast and i think i'm

gonna pick the laundromat for streamer i had a feeling this is what you would do i still think this movie's a masterpiece i still think it might be the best last like not last best but like among the great meryl Streep performances along with this and people will talk or let them all talk sorry um the two Soderbergh movies that she made are just really amazing and laundromat um winds up being like more and more relevant every year yeah you know just if I can ask SBF about the laundromromat. Why were we on a bit of an island with this one, do you think? I think it was not super well seen for whatever reason. Was it at, I think it was at Venice

and just was like never really in the awards conversation. And then with the anecdotes in the movie, like with the sort of short stories. It had a kind of episodic quality to it. I think people didn't like that. Right, I think people resisted the sort of short stories with an episodic quality to it yeah i think people didn't like that right i think people resisted the sort of the knowing talking to camera hey this is all you know it was a little self-referential which we all like and other people don't i think people didn't love the the some of the aspects of the Meryl Streep character, which, you know, fair enough, in terms of, like, her reveal

and who she's playing. Spoilers, I guess, or not. But we all really liked it. So, you know. Great Gary Oldman performance. And then it's him and Antonio Banderas, right? Doing, like, the Chai Esferi. Yeah.

So I'll go Laundromat and Streamer. Has this film been released in physical media? Probably not. I'm so glad you asked me, since I have all that information available. One or two of Stevie Sode's films this year. Yes, we may come back to that. I've been getting extraordinary feedback

on the Blu-ray episode. I'm so glad. I feel like I've entered a new portal of existence. I think that probably blu-ray episode i'm so glad i feel like i've entered a new portal of existence i get i think that probably blu-ray guys are are among the highest usage reply guys i want to say to them i see you yeah i believe in you i'm proud of you uh and i stand with you i stand with you as you stand with me in the surge to bankrupt our families to acquire more plastic. Yeah. And for Timothy Simons. Yeah.

I mean, he has entered the strat. Incredible things are happening for him right now because of this episode. And I hope he hears me say this. And if he doesn't, I will tell him privately. But he is now a great man. I think he was. He wasn't before he went on the podcast, though. Well, that's the sort of power we have.

If you treat me with dignity, and if you don't, big problems. I see there's no laundromat on Blu-ray. Okay. Unfortunately. So, good pick, though. Amanda, you're up.

In Blockbuster, I'm going to take a film called Little Women, and I can't believe neither of you this is one of this i can't believe you should have called my bluff come on be men i just got bored yeah okay well at little women that's on you or calling amanda's bluff no it's like trying to win okay this is you suck one of this and this is this attitude i'm not a fan of it okay um i'm taking Little Women. Okay. Which is one of my favorite films of this year.

Directed by Greta Gerwig. Adapted by Greta Gerwig. Starring Saoirse Ronan, Timothee Chalamet, Florence Pugh. I was thinking about Florence Pugh's Amy speech just the current day and what it means to be a woman and have sisters and to be an artist and to make money. And it's just bright and fresh and invigorating and amazing performances and just cool. And again, just like, that Greta Gerwig exists is so exciting to me because it's like my brain, but much smarter and better

and like knowing more things and able to do things and it's just, I love Greta. So, Little Women and Blockbuster. Also, Little Women qualifies for Blockbuster,

which is fucking awesome. That is a little world. That was really great. Yeah. It'll never happen again. Yeah, it Women qualifies for Blockbuster, which is fucking awesome. That was really great. It'll never happen again. Yeah, it'll never happen again, but that's great. And then Drama, I will take Portrait of a Lady on Fire, one of my other favorite movies of 2019. What? What are you laughing at? I'm not laughing at anything as much

as you're at a blackjack table at 3.30 in the morning and you're like, I'm going to pay my whole mortgage off tonight. Yeah! It's just, I'm going to pay my whole mortgage off tonight. Yeah. I'm like, it's just, I'm going crazy. And once again, this is my fifth pick. You guys had the opportunity, but I guess you don't respond to, you know, beauty and heartbreak and world centered around women. So that's fine. Here it is for me. just pick the laundromat yeah recently voted number 30 on this site

this is unfair but I loved this movie was it too low on that list oh my god coming up next oh my god so that's my drama

coming up next was Portrait of a Lady on Fire are we sure that isn't the pod we should be making I feel like the pod the greenie pod the greenie cinema pod all teases but it's it's like all like high art films though yeah no better than get out coming up next coming up next is claire denis actually doing her best work stars at noon coming up next.

Yeah. Okay. You don't have a greenie tease, do you? No. I let you guys do this and then I laugh at it. Velvet Buzzsaw, the film Nightcrawler wishes it was? Maybe. Coming up next.

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About things that don't matter I'm incredible at that I know it's sports though That's what you do every day. I know, but sports though? Yeah. You know what the problem would be? Guys on the phone with you. What are you talking about?

I love the callers. No. Can you imagine if somebody fucking called you? You're like, Shawty! Steve Cohen's got to spend some money! I'm going to fucking end it right now! And you would just be like,

now I'm sad. No, I would be like, come drive down to the studio and sit with me. Come sit in my lap. Come sit in my lap. You would get fired because you'd be like now I'm sad no I would be like now I'm sad I would be like come drive down to the studio and sit with me come sit in my lap come sit in my lap you would get fired because you'd be like

just end it then fine yeah you'd be like but you should definitely end it I'm going to end it too I want to quit my sports teams like every 13 days so it would be hard for me to have that job

are you back on the Knicks? no I think that would make it easier for you to have that job you're supposed to be outraged and want to quit every 13 days I'm well suited to it because I'm raised by it I am back in on the Knicks because they've won five games in a row and Julius Randle decided it's 2020 again and I don't really know that job you're supposed to be outraged i know i'm well suited to it because i'm raised by it um i

am back in on the knicks because they've won five games in a row and julius randall decided it's 2020 again and i don't really know what to make of that uh but it's been exciting to watch i really truly hated julius randall for the last 12 months and so now i've uh had to cope with him being an excellent basketball player it's very strange very strange team um but yeah they're they're currently a playoff team which is just amazing to me. Okay, it's December. Fair point. I don't have a comeback.

They're the Knicks, so I won't be defending them. Am I up? No, it's me. And I have to ask a question to the chairman of the board. Chair people of the board. Oh, I thought you were going to say chairwoman of the board and just talk to me. The chair lady on fire of the board. We haven't done a lot of genre manipulation recently.

We've been very honest. And we're like, you know, I know. But I think that at a certain point, things open up, you know? Okay. So let me ask you this. Were I to pick Jordan Peele's Us in drama, How would you all feel about that? It's tough. It's pretty genre.

Okay. I don't feel that strongly about it because there is certainly a serious family dynamic to it. Yeah, and also one of the great performances in the year from Lupita Nyong'o it's spoiler alert two different that's right i don't think you can spoil us at this point well i actually i wasn't really sure that i remembered the mythology correctly is she two different people or is she like a mirror you know yeah we all have our tether we have a tether but we are counting that as two beings i think so okay

anyway two different planes of existence let me ask you a question yeah do you think us is a drama I but I what is us is us a horror movie well yeah yeah it's a thriller it's it's a it's a I mean he the social thriller is how he describes all of his movies right I'm

all good I got endgame so what I'm gonna do instead is I'm gonna take in wild card legit the movie that I may have seen the most from this year and that is 21 bridges and I'm

loving myself because this movie fucking rules if you've never seen 21 bridges and i'm being myself because this movie fucking rules if you've never seen 21 bridges i can't recommend it more highly chadwick boseman my favorite chadwick boseman performance plays the cop that they call in to hunt cop killers because there's been a huge police shooting and they shut down all the bridges in and out of Manhattan. And it stars Sienna Miller, who is going 101 miles per hour in the slow lane with her New York accent. And it is a monument to performance. She's so great in this movie.

Where does she stand in the would throw my life away for her rankings? In between Edie Falco and Copland and Charlotte Rampling in The Verdict. Charlotte Rampling still being verdict. Charlotte Rampling still being number one. No, I know. That was really... CR squared.

Couple things. 121 Bridges absolutely smokes rocks. It is so good. And it is like exactly what I want at 10.43pm on a Tuesday. It's great. This guy is like, we to shut down all the bridges. And you're just like, yes!

They do. Yes, they do. No one gets in and out of this city. It has the elevator pitch that the laundromat does not have. No, it doesn't. It's like, wow, the laundromat's like, so there's the Caymans, but then it's just like there's shell corporations. And also there's these short stories.

It's like 21 Bridges is like no Chadwick Boseman is shutting this city down to find Taylor Kitsch I went to CinemaCon in 2019 which is the annual gathering

of the theater exhibitors and the film studios presenting their product in the forthcoming year and STX was there a company that's in a

state of financial woe it seems these days they are currently speaking of Old Man Ferrari holding on to Mike Mann's And STX was there, a company that's in a state of financial woe, it seems, these days. They are currently, speaking of Old Man Ferrari, holding on to Mike Mann's Ferrari movie. Very challenging thing. They presented a series of films that they had forthcoming. I think among them was like a My Bodyguard-style movie with Dave Bautista. And there were a couple of other movies. And then their big finale was 21 Bridges.

They brought out the late, great Chadwick Boseman. And I believe a couple of other movies. And then the big finale was 21 Bridges. They brought out the late great Chadwick Boseman. And I believe the Russo brothers were there as well. And they showed a preview of this film. And I was like Charles Foster Kane

in that clip from Citizen Kane clapping so hard. Like, why have we abandoned this kind of cinema? And I think that the three of them on stage were literally like, you guys remember when movies used to be fucking good? Yeah. When are we going to make good movies again?

Do you remember when you would cry at Denzel Washington clutching a gun racing through a Tony Scott movie? Yeah. We will take you back. Remember Inside Man? Yeah. Yeah. So that's a great pick, Chris.

Thanks. It's my turn. I think so. I have two picks. What do you have? So I'm missing Streamer and I'm missing Wild Card. Streamer's turn. I think so. I have two picks. What do you have? So I'm missing streamer and I'm missing wild card. Streamer is a no brainer.

It's High Flying Bird. I prefer this film to The Laundromat of the two Soderbergh movies. They're both very, very good. High Flying Bird, another movie as with most Soderbergh movies,

like extraordinarily prescient view of the way that professional sports works. It's about an NBA shutdown. Yeah, so player personnel and labor management in professional sports and the idea of like potential spinoff leagues and just the concept of the NIL is pretty resonant in this movie.

Did High Flying Bird invent live golf? There's sports washing for sure as a sub-theme in the movie. Amazing Andre Holland performance in this movie. Did High Flying Bird invent live golf? There's sports washing for sure as a sub-theme in the movie. Amazing Andre Holland performance in this movie. Just a very cool film shot on an iPhone. Looks like a billion dollars shot on an iPhone. Only Soderbergh can do this. Obviously, he's one of the greats of this podcast,

but very, very good movie. Also feels like a movie that maybe Netflix wouldn't make anymore. Soderbergh has since moved his streaming output to HBO. I wonder how much longer that will be the case, given the circumstances. Because he's got a series coming out soon. And Magic Mike 3. And Magic Mike 3. In theaters. In theaters.

But they canceled the Magic Mike reality show, Finding Magic Mike. How did your audition for that show go? I'm Wyatt got cancelled. Much like picking Avengers Endgame they felt like I wasn't playing fair. Goddamn. You're like Swayze

in the Chippendale sketch. Yeah. We can't. So I've got I've got wild card left and quite a few contenders. I will give you a thousand dollars

right now. Like I will go to the ATM and give you $1,000 if you pick Richard Jewell. And then you talk about it for 10 minutes uninterrupted about how Clint is God and this is all about

he predicted fake news. I'm going to pull up my 2019 rankings on Letterboxd and see where I had Richard Jewell. Okay, great. So you guys just sit tight. You can talk amongst each other. on Letterboxd and see where I had Richard Jewell. Okay, great. So you guys just sit tight. Do you have a Blu-ray of Richard Jewell? I do.

Do we not talk about Richard Jewell enough? I honestly thought Richard Jewell, like, and I don't mean this as a compliment of the film, but I watched it and I was like, oh God, that's going to win every single Oscar. Like, it's going to be American Sniper Part 2. And it wasn't. And I think that's for the best. Probably. Yeah.

I'm having trouble locating my top 100. No, here it is. Number 31. Okay. Right in the Portrait of a Lady zone. Where was Portrait of a Lady on Fire? Have you seen Portrait of a Lady on Fire? Yes.

You have. Portrait of a Lady on Fire was 13 for me that year. Yeah. But that's really a testament to what an amazing year it was. That was the 13th movie of the year and it's the 30th best film of all time.

You know what? That's just me. That's just me though. What can I say? Yeah. I should probably check this list to make sure I'm picking

the right films. No, I don't think that that's the way we should do this. I don't think it should be like you didn't say this when you were walking out of the movie theaters

or you're not allowed to have it. I mean, there's only one film for me in Wild Card. There's only one film that really speaks to me. And it reminds me a lot of time spent with you and time spent with you.

And I'm talking, of course, about The Lighthouse. Which is, my life is a mass psychosis of the same conversation over and over again with somebody who openly despises me.

And, uh, and frankly, it's very powerful. And I feel seen by Robert Eggers, uh, as do all podcasts hosts, I believe.

And it's just a truly amazing movie that is exactly my sense of humor and very few other people. But, uh, this movie was like weirdly a hit. It and very few other people's. This movie was weirdly a hit. It was like an independent cinema hit. Now part of it is because Robert Pattinson is one of the stars of this movie and he has a great following.

But I think this movie made like $30 million at the US box office. Which is bonkers when you consider... Is that more than what Northman did? It's probably a little less but probably also played in significantly fewer screens than the Northman. Should we do a Northman revisit pod?

I never saw it. I know. I'm now underrating it on the year for sure. Because after I saw it, I was like, it's time for me to join the NFL. The Lighthouse, a quick story about the Lighthouse. I moderated a conversation

between Eggers, Pattinson and Willem Dafoe and they were super nice and I've talked to Robert many times but Willem Dafoe like could not give less of a fuck

about who I was or like who I am or anything like you know when you're having a conversation and he wasn't rude he was just like you know when you're

the only person asking a question in a conversation but it's like 35 minutes long like we're waiting for the film to end to go on stage. And at a certain point I was like, is it better to just walk away?

Yeah, I know what you mean. And obviously I'm not a very cool guy, not a very fun conversationalist. I mean, it's hard with him because he's like, I've literally been cool since 1984 when I was the coolest person in New York City. And now I'm like the grandfather of all independent arthouse cinema

and still in Spider-Man movies and when he hit the stage at the talk he was lights out yeah he was but he wasn't like

tell me about yourself Sean I'd love to chat no and nor should he but even Robert Pattinson was like tell me about yourself and I was like wow yeah that's Robert Pattinson

and Willem Dafoe was like you die slowly clown nevertheless I'm choosing the lighthouse what can I do for you today? I feel fine. I feel great. I got The Lighthouse.

Light has definitely come back to your eyes. For a second there, I was like, this might be the last time we podcast together. I thought you died because I took Avengers Endgame.

Upon reflection, an amazing bit. It was a bit. I really like this movie and I really wish someone would buy us the light. Sure, yeah. We didn't know

that it was eight feet tall and there's now nowhere to put it. It weighs like 4,000 pounds. Did anybody buy that in a building? But did someone acquire it? I'm sure some museum got it. Like if we just put it

in the corner there. I was going to say let's put it in the ADU, baby. No, there's not enough room for that. Yeah, how often do you use the treadmill? Then I got to sacrifice some museum got it. Like if we just put it in the corner there. I was going to say, let's put it in the ADU, baby. No, there's not enough room for that. Yeah, how often do you use the treadmill? Then I got to sacrifice some of the plastic. I don't know. You know, the treadmill is not getting a lot of use these days.

That's what I'm saying. Let's put it right there. My body is destroyed. How am I supposed to find if someone bought this? I searched the light from the lighthouse. It's just a bunch of hymns. Hymns? Yeah, like songs.

Like H-Y-M-N-S Oh I thought you meant It was like Eggers is him Yeah Jim is him Jim is him Okay

Oh it was unwon According to A24's website Unwon What does that mean? That's how they describe It did not sell I need those people to call us And I need them to ship that joint

Right into the air of this room It was for the food. It was being sold to benefit the food bank for New York City. So, but what sale price wasn't there like a $90,000 sale price on it? And then somebody backed out. I'm not really sure. I would definitely pay north of $37 for it right now. I thought you were going to say 37,000.

No, I don't. I actually floated. How many thousands could we give to this charity to my wife and she was like you're not buying a lighthouse so shut the fuck up what about all that patreon money that you've been stacking up it's a good point the jmo fund the slush fund okay all right chris has a pick i have how much money is in the jmo slush fund right now um well we get a lot of donations through crypto, so that's like variable. That's right. It's been a complicated year.

If when people hear this, Binance is still solvent, consider JMO liquid. So we've recorded, I think, 374 episodes at this point, but they're only available at peak critical tier, at triple frontier tier. And you get them sent to you on

Blu-ray. Yeah. When do you think we should go wide with the show? You should be our first guest. 374 episodes and no guests. No, but it's just been me and Sean reading news. Okay, yeah, that's... Let's pull up Twitter right now,

see what's trending. So you guys remember a few weeks ago, I sent you a photo of the, quote, free speech zone outside the Rose Bowl, which was like, you know, like four little barriers. Well, I just the other day I went back because I run around the Rose Bowl. The free speech zone has been disassembled. Oh, my God. So I look not good for JMO live events.

Bari Weiss and Matt Tate, you're right. Couple of notable items here on Twitter Twitter? That are trending right now that are potential subjects for us. I see The Last Jedi is trending. Always a good sign. It's always exciting. Is John Boehner trending because he cried praising Nancy Pelosi?

I'm seeing Todd McShay is trending at the moment. Uh-oh. I'm seeing Sauce Gardner, my hero, starting cornerback for the New York Jets maybe a terrible injury or not see don't please

how fucking dare you not see well let's take a look what other what other national news do we have to look at you know what's a really bad one is when

when you're not watching a game and then you notice that Achilles is trending that's always it's like better not be my guy currently

checking in at 123,000 tweets is DeSantis. Great. Question mark or just DeSantis? No, more in the affirmative. 49,000 tweets. The phrase $499, which is the price that Trump is trying to sell that new NFT of himself. Okay.

See, this is what the people could have if they would shell out and you would stop taking Parasite in draft. Your pick, Chris. Okay. Do you have any more left? Yeah, I have a wild card. Don't hold your punches. Do it.

Okay, I'm going to take the souvenir. Fuck you. You ruined my perfect game. You ruined my perfect game. Thank you. Go ahead, speak on it. Chris' revenge game.

What a beautiful movie. Can we just it Chris's revenge game what a beautiful movie can we just share that together it is a beautiful movie and and Hog announcing herself into the world as a serious like heavyweight filmmaker

yeah and Tilda is incredible in this and I just remember Phoebe my wife watched this multiple times over the course of the year I think I missed it the first time she saw it and then we watched it

I was just like so blown away by it and I was glad somebody took it. I think I missed it the first time she saw it and then we watched it. I was just like so blown away by it. And I was glad somebody took it. And I was going to leave it to you maybe, but I just was like everything else that I would have picked would have been a real bit pick. Yeah. So. Okay. Or a movie that I was like, in

reality, I'd rather not have drafted this. Right. Well. This is fantastic. It's fine. You deserve it. I have a backup. No, she doesn't. It's fine. Stop it i have no she doesn't it's fine stop colluding i'm a grown-up and i have other backups including films that i was passionate about and i can keep podcasting unlike you're a grown-up yeah believe it or not highly debatable yeah so since i don't get the souvenir which i obviously was going to take. And you also lost 21 Bridges too. I got Triple Frontier. That's true.

I am, you know, a card carrying member of the Joanna Hogg hive. I think I'll take American Factory. Yeah, good one. Which also would have been eligible for Streamer, but was one of my favorite movies of the year. It's a documentary directed by Stephen Bogner and Julia Reichert, the wonderful documentarian who passed away recently. And it is a story about an American factory, as said in the title, that is bought by a Chinese company

and reopened by a Chinese company. And it becomes a story about America and China and labor and capitalism and all of the people and the lives kind of stuck in the middle of all that. And it's extraordinary. If you have not seen it, I couldn't recommend it more. It won the best documentary feature in 2019. Just like a slam dunk. So I feel good about that.

Even though I was going to do The Souvenir, I can speak with passion about this as well. Good. Great movie. This was, I think number 11 on my okay top 100 of 2019 great I think it was in my top five so brag why don't you yeah uh is that because it was associated with higher ground your favorite production company you know what I like Brock and Michelle sure they were wonderful uh Is that it? Are we done? Did we wrap? I think so. Yeah. Okay. Let's recap. We left some jams.

Oh yeah. It was a long honorable mention. We'll recap first. In drama no let's do each person. Why don't you read what you got Chris? Okay. In drama I got The Souvenir. In streamer I got The Laundromat. In Oscar nominee I got Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

In action horror thriller I took Midsommar. In Oscar nominee, I got Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. In action horror thriller, I took Midsommar. In blockbuster, I took a film that I love, Avengers colon Endgame. And then in wildcard, I took 21 Bridges. Amanda, what did you get? That was pretty good, Chris. In drama, I took Portrait of a Lady on Fire. In streamer, I took Marriage Story. Incar nominee i took oscar winner parasite in action horror thriller i took triple fucking frontier in blockbuster i took little women and in wild card i took american factory i like that you said little women the same way you said triple frontier little fucking women yeah uh in drama i took uncut gems in streamer

i took high flying bird in oscar nominee i got the irishman that's a martin scorsese movie in action horror thriller i got ford versus ferrari in blockbuster i got knives out and in wild card i got the lighthouse i think we did right by the wild card category in this round we each took a couple of idiosyncratic, less obvious choices. Okay. So, what did we leave out there for the people? A lot of stuff. So, we didn't take Booksmart. No Booksmart. I wonder if there's a don't worry, darling penalty.

What's the opposite of recency bias? Well, I guess it is recency bias in the opposite direction. Correct. Yeah. I do think that that's true. I mean, a couple of films that I seriously thought about taking, Ad Astra.

I was going to, so had I, the couple of dramas that I was thinking about taking, I was thinking about Ad Astra, I was thinking about The Souvenir, and then I was, just for content,

I was thinking about Joker. Okay. Remember when you and I saw Joker together and then the only other person in the theater was a woman with her dog in a stroller? Yes. Yeah. I liked Joker.

I'm extremely excited about the second Joker film. Pas de deux or whatever. Folie a deux. Pas de deux. Yeah. Great French from both of you. I don't speak French. The language of dance.

You guys are just experts. Portrait of Sean and Chris on fire right here. Looking forward to your content. I didn't even list Joker here.

I never would have taken it but I did like it. I don't know. Let's see where it showed up on my list. 32. Right after Richard

Jewell. Which would be an incredible double feature. What if we opened a movie theater with the express purpose of it being the least successful movie theater of all time and we did things like did Joker, Richard Jewell double features?

I think the JMO Odeon. But you had to watch Richard Jewell first? Yeah, the JMO Odeon, which will only screen the works of Clint Eastwood and films approved by Ben Shapiro. Post-95. Clint Eastwood. Us didn't get drafted.

Yeah. I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot. It is now, though, firmly in my third favorite Jordan Peele movie. So maybe that's also a recency issue. You know a movie I really would have liked to have had is under the silver lake yeah so that is that 18 or 19 i think it's 19 i think its official release was 19 i could be wrong about that um just really like that movie yeah i think it says a lot about

what it's like to be online and what it's like to think you're gonna date riley keough and then you're not gonna because she's not real. Doctor Sleep. I liked that film quite a bit. Rosie the Hat. Rose the Hat. I was close. That was pretty good. Yeah.

When Rebecca Ferguson wore athleisure and sucked out the soul of a child I felt that. What else? Waves. One of my favorites. Her Smell. Alex Ross Perry's Her Smell. Another one of my favorites her smell alex ross perry's her smell another one of my favorites from that year uh the farewell the farewell yeah hustlers justice for jennifer lopez she's fine she's doing fine she's doing fine but she really wanted that golden globe

she didn't get it do you feel like you need to win an award for anything? Like in your life? Like if you die. No. 60 years from now. Yeah. And you don't have a single piece of hardware on your shelf. Fine. You're cool with that? Yeah.

And you? Yeah, I'm all right with it. But? But what? I'm asking you, but. But do you think I should get the Irving Thalberg Award? Like what do you think I should get? Like a Webby?

Like what are we talking about? Which of those would you prefer an irving thalberg award okay do they still give that don't they they give it cecil b demille right gotta say max minghella plays uh irving thalberg and babylon and i was like that's fucking money right there they just nailed that great casting yeah um do you need to win an award i I'd like to yeah sure okay it's nice to be told you're good at something yeah because nobody

gives feedback anymore the only feedback they get is like you forgot to mention a movie on a podcast like I know I know you I forgot to mention very close to see you

at the movies there yeah I've been trying to pull that back a little bit you did you guys did a new work you know a new character today what did we do?

the sports talk radio coming soon guy oh yeah that's right. Of the same family, but slightly different. And then Sean did an imitation of Brad Pitt in Ad Astra

when he didn't get Avengers. Like, Dad? Are you there, Dad? Doesn't Quentin Tarantino think Crawl is, like, the best film of the century? I don't think he said that specifically.

I know he was a big fan of the movie that year. Alexandra Aj's alligator movie. Yeah. Yeah, it was sick. I saw it alone on a Saturday morning. That was true before having a kid.

No. It's a hurricane in Florida and a giant gator gets loose in a house. Oh, yeah. I did know about this. Kyle Scoldario. Oh, I remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's extremely good.

Do you know what you're supposed to do when you interact with an alligator? Like when you're being chased by one? No. You got to run and zigzag because they can't turn. Well, but if you're swimming. Sure. That's tough. In the house with the water, I don't know what to tell you.

But what you want to do is you want to get outside and then run and zigzag because they're slow to turn. What did you think of that gator in Babylon? It was good. Oh, God damn it. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Step it up. I liked other parts of that scene more. Okay. Yeah. I mean, there's... That's quite a scene. The core aspect of that scene

is lights out hilarious and amazing and A+. Do you know that alligators can run 20 to 30 miles per hour? Yeah, land speed, but they turn slowly. They turn slow.

So that's why you got to run in zigzags. This is like the old wives knowledge that you're given in the South. You got to do cutbacks. Yeah,

in the swamps. Barry Sanders style. Yeah. Find the hole. I'm just trying to imagine Amanda just giving a little shimmy shake to an alligator.

in a swamp adjacent area. Should we do a swamp movies pod? How many swamp movies are there? Swamp thing. Okay. Where the crawdads sing.

Where the crawdads sing. That's more of a marsh movie, but sure. I think if we could do swamp and marsh adjacent, so like Heaven's Prisoners is kind of near. Wild Things.

Yeah. Wild Things is a swamp movie for sure. What else? Eve's Bayou, of course. That's a great one. What's the Cate Blanchett one where she's psychic? Oh, Wild Things. Yeah. Wild Things is a swamp movie for sure. What else? Eve's Bayou. Of course. That's a great one. What's the Cate Blanchett one where she's psychic?

Oh the Gift. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely one. What else? That was pretty good. I mean off the top of our head we got seven

swamp movies. Fucking killing it. What else did we leave off? Two movies. So neither of you drafted Six Underground. Yeah I know.

So. I thought about it. Do you still have the beanie? No I don't. You don't? No. I thought about it. Do you still have the beanie? No, I don't. You don't? No. But I still have the memory in my mind that Melanie Laurent is in that movie.

Okay. And it's important. Yeah. Can I list all of the movies I wrote down for streamer that were not selected? Yeah, but there's one. Okay, sure. Is there one you want to shout out? You do streamer first.

Okay. The Report report the other scott z burns film along with the laundromat that he directed starring adam driver which i think because it was on amazon prime it's almost as if it never happened isn't annette benning diane feinstein she's pretty good um all right there was like two days where everyone was like annette benning is finally gonna win an oscar for playing diane feinstein in the report and respectfully no that didn't

that didn't happen Dolomite is My Name pretty good movie oh yeah that was good El Camino a Breaking Bad movie which was kind of sort of funded

by Netflix or at least released by Netflix Rolling Thunder Review Martin Scorsese's amazing Bob Dylan movie sick movie which is back in my mind

because James Austin Johnson the guy who is you know like the lead impressionist on Saturday Night Live right now, recently appeared on The Tonight Show and gave like one of the most incredible impressions of four different phases of Bob Dylan's career. I don't know if any of you saw this, but he, one of his four impressions, it was sort of like the early 1960s Dylan Greenwich Village talk singing. And then there was the Lay Lady Lay kind of like country singing. And then he did an impression of Rolling Thunder Review era Dylan. And it was the most specific and perfect impression I've ever heard where he'd be like, he was

like screaming and unintelligible singing where he's like, It was really, really good. Is this your last spot of the year? No, I have so many more to go. I just have so much to express. What can we do? Like,

what can we do? You could have let me draft Avengers end game. Everything could have been so different. I did. I could have been here talking about Thanos, which is where I belong. And instead you got this version of me. Um,

I love that. Are you still reading streamer movies? Okay. Velvet Buzzsaw. Yeah, that was a good one. Deadwood the movie, which was on the streamer known as HBO. Nascent, HBO Max.

Late Night. Yeah. The Two Popes. Yeah, The Two Popes. Wine Country. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Between Two Ferns the movie.

Yeah. Guava Island. What's that? That's the Donald Glover Rihanna movie. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. Stuber, which was a Dave Bautista Uber comedy. Wounds, which was an Amazon Prime horror movie starring Armie Hammer.

Murder mystery we mentioned. Britney runs a marathon. Oh, yeah. A huge acquisition out of Sundance for Amazon. And, of course, Brie Larson's legendary unicorn store. Is it Captain Marvel this year? Sure is. Yes. and of course Brie Larson's legendary unicorn store is it Captain Marvel this year

sure is yes that was a movie which is not good I fell asleep at the vista watching that do you

so like just Captain Marvel which made a lot of money but everyone was like this is not good is just getting a sequel called the Marvels you gonna see it

are you gonna make me that's not how this works and i would appreciate it if you would stop framing it as such like i don't like hold your hand while you wear no it's rude like gloves yeah why am i wearing gloves it's a big uh plot point in the english with emily blunt i haven't seen that series have you been enjoying that it's it's completely wonderful. Hugh Blick. I love Hugh Blick.

That's exciting. Hugo. Hugo, sorry. Maybe I don't love him as much as I do. Would you like my thoughts on the Marvels, John? Do you think she has to? You made fun of my thoughts on MCU movies earlier. We'll see if you're on this pod next year.

You never know. Before I get kicked off, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that 2019 was also the year of 1917, which also gave us the Roger Deakins Hall of Fame. That's right. Yeah. Where it all started in a lot of ways. I think actually that episode was a very similar, I really have to pee, but I'm feeling insane, end of the year vibe. Is it not?

Was it like a December recording? It was, I think that it technically released in 2020 I think it was January of 2020 because I was going to make a joke that that was my favorite film of 2019 but I went back and looked

and I believe it was after the year turned anything else you want to cite Ready or Not I liked a lot that was good yeah Samara Weaving

Samara Weaving that's the movie that got the Radio Silence guys the scream gig and then honestly saw the scream. I wanted to talk to you about the scream teaser. I was like,

scream in New York? I'm fucking in. I'm so... Oh, sick. Really? There are no bad scream movies. What's that? There are no bad scream movies.

No bad scream movies. Yeah, I agree. I will watch scream movies until I die. I'm pretty excited about that. That's coming really soon. I think it's in March. What?

Yeah. It's coming out very soon. Great. One more 2019 movie that happened not that we necessarily would have drafted yesterday.

Oh yeah. Still like one of the great I did too. And I was so excited about it. And then it just one of the great failures. Can I shout out

two movies that I love from this year? Yeah of course. Last Black Man in San Francisco. Oh a great one. Jonathan Majors. Tremendous Jonathan Majors coming onto the scene. And Hail Satan, which was Penny Lane's documentary.

My queen, Penny Lane. Yeah. Because of that movie, she went on to direct the Kenny G documentary in our Music Box series because we love that so much. Oh, yeah. We didn't say the words Jojo Rabbit. And I shan't. I say them to myself in the mirror the mirror every night it's like candy man

incantation so you could conjure taika as hitler to guide you through your day i saw a lot of really bad movies this year including last christmas did you last christmas you walked out that's amelia clark right did you walk out before the reveal though uh i did do you know what the reveal is uh do we have to revisit this she has honestly what are we are we gonna have to go to podcast therapy i'm just trying to make content i just i just i didn't but i do like do i want i just hated it i don't i don't know if i want to remember it yeah it's amelia clark and henry golding but he dies yeah well spoiler alert if you don't want last christmas spoiled for you he's been dead the whole time he was the person

who gave her the heart or the liver or whatever transplant that she needed yeah I think it it was one part like just

hating it but one part just like I've been to too many movies this year and I gotta go that's basically the plot for 21 grams

did we go with Juliet we did and so Juliet and I stayed and had a lovely time at that absolutely ridiculous see I still remember some things

yeah but not everything yeah you walked out I liked Dark Waters the Todd Haynes movie We did. And so Juliet and I stayed and had a lovely time at that absolutely ridiculous movie. See, I still remember some things. Yeah, but... Not everything. Yeah, you walked out. I liked Dark Waters, the Todd Haynes movie that came out this year. I liked Pain and Glory a lot, the Pedro Almodovar movie that came out this year. Did we mention Avengers Endgame? Has that come up? That came up.

That came up. The Dead Don't Die, the Jim Jarmusch movie. I talked to Jim Jarmusch in 2019, a personal highlight. That was a thrill. Chris and I saw Always Be My Maybe, one of the great cameos of the last five years. I saw that in a movie theater? We went to Netflix. It was down the street. Yeah, it used to be. It used to be just like, come on down. How come Ali Wong is not in movies? You guys care about Ali Wong?

I like Ali Wong. I liked that movie. Yeah, it's weird that she never, because she became such a stand-up superstar. I feel like there was a spot for her. I guess not. Motherless Brooklyn? That was so, speaking of Robert Caro. Really enjoyed the Edward Norton promotional trail on that.

Yeah, I had spent some time with him. He seemed not thrilled to be speaking with me. That was my vibe. Do you think power ranking of guys being psyched to talk to you, number one, Edward Norton, and number two,

Willem Dafoe? Two different energies. I'm going to... Edward Norton was like, I may smash your face in. If you die... Willem Dafoe was like, I got to go.

If you die, I'm starting to go fund me to get those two guys to speak at your funeral. The tricky part there is... Sean was a man... He'd probably give a great performance.

Yeah. Willem Dafoe would crush. Edward Norton was like my man when I he'd probably give a great performance yeah Willem Dafoe would crush Edward Norton was like my hero when I was 17 years old so that was unfortunate but Mother's Book was okay

why was he in a bad mood about you I think he was just like I've been on the on the grind I've been on the tour and I'm doing a lot of podcasts

the true number one was Paul Walter Hauser as Richard Jewell who was most psyched to talk to Sean. That was incredible. Oh my God, he was so good.

He just did all of a few good men. He was, he was an exceptional guest and actually, he should come back. I didn't watch Blackbird. Have you watched Blackbird

on Apple TV Plus? He's awesome in it. Everybody says he's remarkable in that show. I kind of want to watch it over the break. Maybe I will. The show,

you would get a lot of pleasure out of that, Sean. Okay. Because it's like, I wonder, like, it's basically one of those things where you're just like, what if this criminal

was the only person who could catch another criminal? And it's like, somehow a lot of people have aged out of that premise or whatever. But not me. Not you.

You're saying this is in the 21 Bridges zone? It's not as action-packed as that. Okay. And Chris, your favorite film that year was Mike Lee's Peter Liu, which I'm surprised didn't come up for you. I like that movie a lot. Some great battle sequences in it.

Anything else? Remember when we both went to see Maleficent, Mistress of Evil? Is that Angelina Jolie? It wasn't worth it for the pod. It was. It is Angelina Jolie. I had not seen the original Maleficent, though. I'm familiar with Sleeping Beauty lore, so I was able to catch up pretty quickly.

And then we had a spontaneous breakdown. Also this year, we watched Serenity and then had a breakdown. Oh, yeah. That was really good. I enjoyed that. Anne Hathaway can do no wrong, even when she's in one of the worst movies ever made. Did you know that, and this came up about an hour into our screening of Maleficent Mistress of Evil

that that is a film about Trump's America? No, I didn't know that. Should I go check it out? Do you remember when they were making a bunch of Snow White movies?

Remember like all the Snow White action movies they were making? Like the Snow White and the Huntsman? Yeah. And then Kristen Stewart

was in them and then Emily Blanchoin and Charlize Theron was like the wicked queen. Yeah. And was that Hemsworth? They made two of those? Was she the Huntsman?

Let's just talk about the cast of Snow, excuse me, the Huntsman colon Winter's War. Here are the people who appeared in that film. This is a 2016 movie

directed by Cedric Nicholas Troian who apparently is a person. Chris Hemsworth is the star of this film. Also appearing in this film, Charlize Theron. Yeah. Also appearing is the star of this film. Also appearing in this film, Charlize Theron. Yeah. Also appearing,

Emily Blunt. Yeah. Also appearing, Jessica Chastain. What? I forgot that she got added. Who is she? She plays Sarah,

Eric's wife. Eric's wife. Who was thought to be dead by and through Friar's deceiving powers. Can you believe it? Who's Eric? How did that happen? Why is Kristen Stewart not in this movie?

It wasn't the scandal that she had in a film. Yeah, it was the scandal with the director. Yeah. That's right. Eric is Chris Hemsworth's character. He's the huntsman, I believe. Okay. The titular huntsman.

Who is Snow White? I'm not seeing her on the list here. Okay. So we've spun off. I'm seeing Queen Ravina. S-W-E-U. The Snow White the list here. Okay. So we've spun off. I'm seeing Queen Ravina. S-W-E-U. The Snow White Extended Universe.

Okay. S-N-E-A-U-X. Snow White. They left a lot on the table with the Snow White verse. Me and Phoebe watched... Oh, excuse me. It says Kristen Stewart appears as Snow White in this film. Uncredited semicolon archive footage. Okay.

Oh, okay. That is gangster. Because they had her under contract but they were like, we don't even want you on set. That's very good. And then she made Happiest Season. Yeah, that was a good movie.

I think we did it. Did we do it? This was deranged. Do you think that I'm actually upset? I don't know what's going on with you. I do think that you were upset when I picked Avengers.

Yeah. For a variety of reasons. I'm looking at the spreadsheet, you know, and I'm looking at the schedule of the next few days and I'm just like, how can the healing begin?

We're going to be okay. Okay. I have full faith in you. Okay. And it's 77% performance. Okay. But there is 23%. Yeah, no, we can tell.

You got to be careful. You got to be careful. I'm a hot rod. I'm like Ford versus Ferrari here. Once you get me in the driver's lane, be careful. You're like old man Ferrari. You spent all your lira

chasing perfection. I can't believe we're going to get to do a Ferrari movie podcast about Michael Mann. Is it going to be six hours? I mean, will it be the best podcast ever? Do you think that we should build it out

where we do Michael Mann Hall of Fame, Heat 2, and Ferrari? I know, people have been asking about the Heat 2 pod. I got to find that book. Zach took it and read it and now I don't know where it is.

You should, on the plane, do the audiobook. Yeah. For your holiday travels. Maybe you could put one earbud in your ear and one in Knox's. You'll be able to navigate Knox's to the audio. Oh, I said this is a good idea. Knox can be like, Chris Scheherlis went where? I hope that movie comes out next year, because we could have a real feast of man.

Thanks to you both. Amanda, you and I are not done this year. But Ciara, that's it for you. Yeah. Will I not be back until the auction? I don't know. Maybe. Do you want to watch the Golden Globes?

No. Okay. Thank you, though. Great. Then, yeah, perhaps late January. So you guys are going... I listened to the pod with Zach, which I thought was delightful and entertaining,

but you guys are going to treat the Golden Globes as like a real thing. I think so. I mean, Amanda said it when we talked about it. It's like it is going to have some impact on the race, even though it's, you know, being put on by what has historically been a deplorable organization.

So I don't know. What's the mandate of the show? It's also on a Tuesday, and Tuesday is one of our podcast days. It's a good time to do it. I know. So, yeah. I mean, should we be like,

is that like offensive I genuinely don't know I was just wondering whether or not like I honestly was like that for like three hours that seemed like

oh the Golden Globe nominations but then it's like do you really think that like any are people showing up like are the like the stars gonna go

we discussed that yeah and now they're giving Eddie Murphy this this will be the Mill Awards oh I thought that was at the Oscars

yeah no and you know with Gerard hosting and I thought that was at the Oscars. Yeah. Okay. No. You know, with Gerard hosting and Eddie receiving that prize, like, the cynicism is way turned up. But it is what it is. It's award shows in Hollywood. They're all cynical.

Hey, Wags, thanks so much for your work on today's episode. You're a great producer. Amanda, Chris, I love you both dearly despite however weird I was on this podcast. I appreciate you both. You're a lot like Thanos, and I think that was appropriate.

Yep. Well, I feel like people don't understand the sacrifices that I've made to make these drafts what they are. And today that included giving up on Endgame. Perhaps that's all. Thanks to everyone who listened to the show and really the drafts.

The drafts obviously become a huge part of this show and they were extraordinarily weird and stupid this year, but I'm very proud of them and I'm proud of having beaten you guys most of the time. See you soon on the big picture. you