The Big Picture - The 2021 Movie Draft

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

We are drafting again! And Amanda is back! She and Sean are joined by Chris Ryan to pick their faves and foil their pals in a draft of the movies from 2021. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the Big Picture Conversation Show about 2021. We are drafting again. It's the Movie Draft 2021 edition chris ryan cr is here hello happy december sean happy december to you amanda is here with us in december when we are recording this very not pre-recorded episode of the podcast no we're pre-taping this episode this is the furthest in advance we've ever pre-taped an episode it's august

did you verify that did Did you scroll back? Well, I mean, when else have we four months in advance pre-taped an episode? Because we didn't do that last time. No, we didn't do it like that, no. We picked a couple. I was gone for seven months last time and you survived.

Yeah, I fucking remember. I came back at some point, but I feel like we did it. It was a long seven months, yeah. I recall we were still doing Zoom at the time. Oh yeah. But there was like a chaotic five person draft with Mallory and Joe, I think that was done. It was pre-recorded? Yeah. Okay. Several months in advance, but I don't know whether it was four. It's mid-August. It's mid-August. This is airing in December. It is. In December is Aaron Rodgers still the quarterback,

starting quarterback for the New York Jets? Or has he been supplanted? I'll say he's back, but he missed six weeks in the middle of the season. Okay. But he's back for the stretch run. Doing a hard hand count for RFK's. Yes. And he withstood that loss, and he persists on. Right? Yeah. He's Yes. And he withstood that loss and he persists on.

Right? Yeah. He's back. Everyone was on vacation for the bear stuff. By the bear I mean RFK and the bear not the bear

the show. I was around. I was around. Okay. That was just some weird shit. Has not been listening to JMO. Yeah. We had three separate

bear taxidermy episodes. One told from the bear perspective. Incredible. Some of your best voice work. Okay. 2021. Shall we discuss it?

Yeah. Weird year. 2021, we were amidst the COVID pandemic. It wasn't the best time in our lives. It wasn't the best time in the history of movies. We were podcasting pretty regularly but i'll start with you amanda who were you in 2021 what were you doing i mean this is a apt time to be doing this because i spent a majority of 2021 pregnant uh as i have spent a

majority of 2024 pregnant i gotta say movies not performing the best in both circumstances so you think the two are related uh you know maybe everyone's saving the you know the good stuff for for when i'm back maybe it's kind of like damien the omen but for movies you know we're like for this child to come right the movies must be sacrificed yeah yeah this the movie sin eater Every time. Yeah. Damien Omen. My son Damien Omen. Yeah. In that formulation by Bill, which is incredible stuff that he's done there, is Omen Satan's last name? Omen is his last name.

It's like Scottie Pippen. Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. I don't think it is. No, I mean, his name's not. Well, and that's why, like, the movie that you guys all loved was, like, First Omen, and I thought he was, like, the first omen of the family.

Oh, wait, so you didn't think it was the omen that the child of Satan was being born? No, I thought his name was Damien Omen. It's not Omen. Well, you know, I'm a Bill follower. Listen, I say rest of the bits. Let's look at the characters' real names. What do you think Paul George is doing right now for the Sixers? I think similarly to Aaron Rodgers, he's missed some time, but is also impressed.

Okay. It appears the character's last name is Thorn. Okay. Robert and Catherine Thorn. Yeah. Anyway, we saw a lot of movies. Most of them are pretty bad, I would say. I think I clocked 331 new movies this year.

Which is crazy. But we were still, for the most part, quarantining. The vaccine arrived in April, I want to say. Or maybe I got vaccinated in April. And started going back to the movies at this time. But many of the movies that we watched, we watched at home. Yeah. And this is when the studios were like, yeah, I'll send you a link.

Right. I was like, really? You'll send me a link to this action movie? And they did. I do also feel like this was really the year where the lag of production and the limits of post-production, reshoots, etc. were available. So there wasn't that much. And what you saw, at least through November, was of varying quality. So there's some dispute about when's the right time

to have multiple people on drafts and when's the wrong time. Dispute among who? Amongst the listeners of the show. Well, that's their problem. That's them on their time.

I'm merely bringing it up to make a point which is that in 1996 we did that draft. We were like, wow, there's so many honorable mentions. So leftover movies multiple people on to do this yeah you you couldn't say the same for 2021 that's really no i i mean it would be interesting to see other people's different sort of experiences of this i think you guys had a very specific one

which is pulling from this weird flood of stuff both things that they had already shot that they hadn't can, things that were getting finished in the most extreme of circumstances. And crucially, the collapse of the theatrical business, Best Picture nominees showing up on streaming after maybe being in 10 theaters or being out for a few days

or something like that. I was wondering whether or not when you look at the large list of the films that you see here, do you feel that the current moment in film more mirrors something closer to 2021? Or have we gotten back to the pre-COVID time of how movies felt? It's a good question. I think that this year is more powerful than, I don't know if it will qualitatively be as good actually as 2021. I think 2021 actually provided an opportunity for a few movies to come to the surface. I'll give you an example, The Worst Person in the World.

Yeah. I think it's a movie that probably got way more attention in the United States than it ever would have if not for the COVID pandemic. And it's not to say that a movie like that wouldn't be made in 2024, but 2024 feels a little light on your like five-star masterpieces incoming. So far, yeah. But the box office has done very well this year. And there's been two billion dollar movies already this year. That was not even close to the case for the business in 2021. Yeah.

There's only one movie that made more than $250 million in the U.S. this year. And it's a big chasm between that movie and the other movies. Yeah. So Hollywood is in a different place. I think if you had asked me that

or if I had asked myself that six weeks ago, I would have had a different answer than I do today. Today? Today in August. Because you saw Romulus. Number one,

because of the box office like you're talking about and like this weird, the long legs and it ends with us and Romulus. Number one, because of the box office like you're talking about and like this weird, the long legs and it ends with us and Romulus all doing really well. People want to go to the movies. Yeah. But Wolf's going to streaming feels like a very 2021. Like Wolf doesn't go to streaming if COVID doesn't happen.

So that to me actually feels like that specific thing you just cited, which will now be incredibly old news by the time people hear this. But that feels like Apple TV Plus is just a few years behind its competitors. And so they're still doing some stuff. They're still learning the same. They're still experiencing the same mistakes that their forebears did. And it's a great time to talk about it because 2021 was the year of Project Popcorn. When Warner Brothers decided to do day and date with not just some of but all of their

big ticket movies so that means that Matrix Resurrections, King Richard, Dune Part One, Cry Macho, In the Heights, The Suicide Squad, The Many Saints of Newark, Those Who Wish Me Dead right those who wish me dead Godzilla versus Kong all of those movies move all they all went straight to streaming yeah and you could see them in movie theaters and we did see some of those movies in movie theaters but we

I'm looking we're gonna look back on that as like a really weird historical anomaly in the movie business happening yeah because like the Godzilla Kong movie that came out

this year made like six hundred million dollars yeah and they they what did it make like a hundred million this year so it's just a fascinating thing Godzilla versus Kong is

one that came out even before vaccines were widely available. And so some of, I mean, some of it was, you know, I know it's fashionable now to be like, what were you doing? What was, what's his first name? Kilar? Jeff Kilar. Jason Kilar. Jeff Kilar. Yeah.

Jim Kilar. I also had Greg for a moment. Greg, Jeff. Little Johnny Kilar. But it was like, theaters legally could not be open in many states. And that became like a whole culture, all sorts of things. You were protesting outside, I remember. You had a big sign that said, open these theaters now.

That's true. But like, it did take a while for the infrastructure to come back. It did. So, you know, it is very strange, and we're still dealing with the effects of it. But it was because of a much larger... Do you think the Arclight will be open when this podcast goes out? I don't.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for 2025. But I just mean, like, I mean, like, the theatrical business has taken a long time to get back on its feet. So it's really nice that the box office has done better this year. But I do think that you can still see like the bones and shadows of what was 2019

has not been reanimated entirely. The funny thing about it is I was just saying to somebody on another podcast I'm trying to not catastrophize as much as I used to which is obviously a signature of my movie podcasting.

But it's plausible that Wicked Part 1 and Moana 2 bomb or bomb. And this conversation we're having at the box office is fine is not fun.

You hate a Gladiator Part 2 and you're just like, it all sucks. Yeah, Gladiator 2's bad. Like, we could be in a place where, you know, this pod conversation seems pointless.

But 2021 was a fascinating time because you're right, this was the year where people started going back to the movies but it took a little while I remember A Quiet Place Part 2 was the first movie

that I saw in theaters movie that I loved I probably loved it because I was back in a movie theater more so I saw Old I felt the same way not a good film

but I saw it in a movie theater I was like Jesus Christ it's 7 eighths of a great movie in my opinion because I don't like Trap as much as you do

if you don't like the genre you don't like it you don't like it that's fine you don't need to say that it's bad you know i didn't say it was bad you did you said it was bad part of this you did use the word bad you said old was not a good movie and you said that you enjoyed the first half of trap before it fell apart so we're who's's got Phillies back now? This is when you were like, REM's Monster is not a significant album. Okay? Where did I see that?

During season two of The Bear. And you guys were like, really strange currencies. And I was like, yes! The millennials love Monster. Okay? We were nine. We didn't know. I just try to have a nuanced look at each film on its own merits and I really liked

the first half of I love The Visit I love Signs and The Village weirdly not weirdly

what's weird about it those are good movies I'm a Shama guy you're not you betrayed him you dumped on Trap and Old so you listened

to the Romulus pod but you did not I haven't made it all the way to the end yet okay but that's just because couple shout outs for you in there I mean I'm

like I'm getting there but when we're recording it and also the amount of time I'm spending in my car driving around right now is like is lessened at a lower

yeah lower I will say can I just just to tie this into 2021 this year I've had a couple of experiences in 2024 of movies that I think are okay or like pretty good or not so great,

but were vastly improved by seeing them on a big screen. And I desperately wish I could go back in time, have my first viewing of about a dozen of these movies, be in a dark theater with a bunch of people and see if they would have clicked a little bit more. I don't think I'm going to draft clicked a little bit more. I don't think

I'm going to draft this movie. I might. I don't think I am. Is it without remorse? It's not without remorse. Oh my God. That feels so wrong. I thought about making

one of the categories streaming only, but I didn't do that. I'd like to do that at some point. I would suggest comedy or musical because there are

literally no comedies. Ah, but there are. But there's like one. But sure, so it can be interesting. There's a couple. Okay. No, this is But there's like one. But sure, so it can be interesting. There's a couple. Okay. No,

this is where the work comes in. Well. I, I'll consider that. There are a lot of musicals. I'll consider that recommendation. That way you can have Dear Evan Hansen,

you know, and you don't have to decide. I'm good. I'm good on that. Have you seen Dear Evan Hansen? Have not. Do you like the stage either? It's about a kid.

Yeah. Who's writing letters to a dude in his school. Yeah. Who was his friend, but then passes away. Sort of. Yeah. Kind of. Not quite.

And then Amy Adams is the mom. Is she? Did she get nominated for that? Yep. Coolest actress around 19 years running. The movie I was going to say was Matrix Resurrections, which was a very divisive movie

and people really didn't like. I saw it with Van and Charles. I remember vividly. We saw it at the IMAX campus in Playa Vista, which is one of the coolest rooms in LA. And I was like,

this movie fucking rocks. This is great. And then it came out and everybody was like, this movie should be burned at the stake. I saw it with my mother on a television screen and we both fell asleep. And there you have it.

That's the problem. That's the problem. There's a bunch of movies here from this year that I literally had to like, not the ones I saw in the theater, but like the streaming ones require diligence. Like you just have to either like pretend like you're a captured captive audience

or in the case of a couple of my favorite movies from this year, it was like second or third viewing that they really started to come together for me. Interesting. So it was the third viewing of Eternals that unlocked it for you. The tragedy of that story. When he's at Hiroshima, it's just amazing. third viewing of Eternals that unlocked it for you. The tragedy of that story.

When he's at Hiroshima, it's just amazing. Yeah. Did you see Eternals? Isn't that happens though? It does. Yeah. Brian Tyree Henry's character.

I sat next to you. Yeah. You heard me gasping multiple times at how abominable it was. I saw Eternals in the theater by myself. I think to do the watch, but I can't remember. 2021 is a man.

Who are you? If 2021 was a man, what you if 2021 was a man no as a man who were you in 2021 i mean i mentioned she was pregnant as a woman could there be could she could she be more pregnant with thought you know i was thinking a lot about where we were going yeah the eternal gestation, one might say. I never know how to answer these questions when they are years in which we were doing the podcast. I mean, there's documented proof of who I was. None of that is true. What was the real you going through at that time? I think I was

a lonely, scared boy wondering what was going to happen in this fantasy land that I live in. No, I was fine. Sleepy Joe? He came in? Yeah. Were you feeling good about that? Yeah. Yes. You were? Yeah. I remember a sense of jubilation outside of Sweetgreen when that finally went through. Yeah. That was in 2020 though. Oh yeah. That's right.

Question for you right now. Let's just say it's August 19th, 2.36 PM West Coast time. Is Joe Biden asleep right now? though oh yeah that's right question for you let's just say it's august 19th 2 36 p.m west coast time is joe biden asleep right now well you would hope because he's gonna add a nap into the schedule right but like you can't be napping he's on the east coast a little more free time now but he's on the east coast yeah so 5 30 is too late to be napping you think he's just strict rules about napping can Can I tell you that? Well, I mean, it's a lifestyle. You unscolded me for napping before noon.

Yeah, though I took a brief nap this morning before noon, so I apologize. And then now it's too late to nap at 5.30. Well, that's going to mess up your late night sleep cycle. As a continental woman. I think somewhere between 1 and 3.30 is the right time to be sleeping. 3.30 is my sweet spot.

But you got to be up by 5, 5.30. Or else how are you going to go to bed? I know you're a late night person. I'm not actually as much anymore. And my naps are more of like a quick power cycle. Like it's just like down and up. I mean, how many minutes? Well, I'll listen to a podcast for 40 minutes,

but I'll probably be only like asleep for 20. Okay. So you fall asleep to podcasts. What's your favorite podcast to fall asleep to? There are really more ones

that I can't fall asleep to. Fantasy football. I can't fall asleep to Heifetz and Craig. No offense. It's just that they keep the energy high and it's not.

It's a lot of British guys just being like and then Liverpool at the left back just facing a terrible terrible that sounds calming yeah

it is it's really calming I can't fall asleep with anything in my ears anymore I used to fall asleep to music and or podcasts for years but you still fall asleep

to a screen most nights right I do not oh really I'm so happy for you that's really that's an improvement I was worried about your sleep habits.

I did fall asleep on Saturday night to a screen for the first time in a while because I split a bottle of wine with your husband at a restaurant. Oh, yeah, that's right. And then I went home and I turned on Desperado, the Robert Rodriguez film. And I was, through the first five minutes, I was like, this was such a good call. I love this movie. And then I don't remember anything that happened after that. Okay, that's great. So I definitely just fell asleep. Did you fall asleep in the ADU? No, I was in the bed

but you know, I'm old. I like watching the most fucked up thing possible right up to the second I go to sleep to see what happens.

I've been watching Horror in the High Desert. It's a found footage trilogy the last couple of nights. It's very convoluted but very interesting and it's just

done some wonders for my my nighttime experiences. I just can't get more than six hours of sleep at all. Period.

I've just got I've got a human alarm clock right now. Will your daughter be sleeping past seven? Seven? No. I would kill

for 6.15. Okay. Kill. Yeah. I was up at 5.15 this morning. So apologies for my performance today. And she won't go back to sleep like within your bed or anything.

No. No, I don't want her in my bed. Get a stand in my room. Alice was born by 2021, right? Yeah. She was born in 2021. That explains your love of CODA. It does.

CODA. I watched. Did you not cry at CODA? I didn't see CODA. You still haven't seen it? Oh, man. Come on. That last scene. Water works. Given all these pregnancies you've had. Yeah. Koda I watched did you not cry at Koda I didn't see Koda you still haven't seen it oh man come on that last scene waterworks

given all these pregnancies you've had you think that a movie like that would touch you in some way what pregnancies you said pregnant with thought oh yeah yeah

I bet you meant I'd fathered a woman given all of your bastards one would think you could look at that film with some heart that's why I'm so sick of some dude named

Chris Snow comes up to me yeah Chauncey yeah dad I've been listening to your podcast why won't you watch

Miyazaki I became a father in 2021 yeah best thing ever that's great shout out Alice even though she won't go to sleep she won't go to sleep

she wouldn't sleep then and she won't sleep now but aside from that we're good we're good great choice i'm a big fan um that was in july so my wife is also pregnant for the majority of this year yeah and uh takes that was a good thing that was a good thing because being quarantined and her being pregnant it was like let's watch movies like we watch i watch so many movies in part because she was like that's what we're doing like that is our life now so in terms of i mean this one's been a rude awakening in terms of what you mean i have to drive two hours to come we were just talking about that yeah sit in your uncomfortable seat um i gotta start bringing a nerf football yeah to prop me up a nerf football it's a little back

trick yeah really that works small your back i hope i should explore that for just for my own bringing a Nerf football to prop me up. A Nerf football? It's a little back trick. Oh, really? That works? It's a small your back. I should explore that just for my own back issues. Anyway, yeah. We had a lot of time

to watch movies in 2021. The big movie this year was Spider-Man No Way Home. Which I guess didn't make all of its money because it was end of the year.

Right? Yeah. It came out I want to say in December. It did. And so it made most of its money in 2022 but it made 800 million dollars total yeah the next time were like this this is the spider-man

meme one i thought this was the jake gyllenhaal one no this is this is no far from home was the jake gyllenhaal one right did you like that one uh i prefer no way home but far from home me too me too uh Number two. Are you looking at the document? Do you know what the second highest grossing movie of the year was? I just looked because you didn't tell me not to look. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Did you see this one?

I did on the theater. Me too. Ed Locke and Yada. It's okay. It's not that bad. Yeah, but then what happened in the last 45 minutes, respectfully. It's terrible. Yeah.

But it's pretty, there was stuff I liked about it. Okay. But that, I mean, that movie made $225 million. How did Black Widow make $183 million? Didn't it go right to Disney Plus like two weeks later? Yes, it did.

And Scarlett Johansson would love to tell you about it. I'm available. Yes. She wants to discuss it. That's not a movie I saw in theaters. Me either. Because it came out, I think because it came out so early a movie I saw in theaters. Me either. Because it came out

I think because it came out so early. They sent screeners for that actually. They sent screeners. Maybe that's what it was. Maybe I watched it on a screener. We did. Huh.

Very strange. Do you remember the plot of that film? The Russian school for girls? I do. And Rachel Weisz. And was it was it Brian Cox

who was the man who ran that school? Who was the who was the villain? He was the man who ran that school? Who was the villain? He was the guy who ran the Bourne Identity School. Was David Harbour in this? No, but he's a nice guy. And then, no, isn't it like Olga? It was Ray Winstone.

Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. But then who's the- Olga Karolinko is the villain. Yeah. Taskmaster. Sure. Character I'm very familiar with.

And then Florence Pugh is just stealing the show from absolutely everyone. Yeah. Does she still have to be in Marvel movies? She's going to be in the Thunderbolts movie. Really? Yep. I thought everyone... She's now the champion of...

She's coming for Gwyneth's crown of... I did not know I was in that. I can sense this. I think she'll be pretty good at it. Though, I mean, Gwyneth, like, whenever they made that Robert Downey Jr. announcement, and she's just up on Instagram being like, wait, I don't get it. Are you bad now? I mean, there's no one better than Gwyneth Paltrow.

I don't think Florence Peele will be able to compete with Gwyneth in that front. I think she's actually like, I'm a hero in this movie. It's cool. It's true. She was at Comic-Con, like proudly standing amongst the Thunderbolts. Can you name any of the Thunderbolts? Besides Yelena. Oh, you mean like the characters?

Yeah. Oh, no. Is Squirrel Girl a Thunderbolt? No. Okay. Sadly for you. What's Wyatt Russell's character's name? He is he's like

Dr. America. Yeah. That's a really good question. U.S. agent? Yeah. I think U.S. agent. That's weird.

That is his name. You can't name any other characters. Well Bucky you know Bucky Sebastian Stan. Oh he's back? He's back.

Yeah. And he didn't turn evil and were become Captain America at any point? Turned back thanks to Wakanda. Thank you very much for restoring me. In what installment?

In Endgame? Black Panther? Infinity War? I saw both of those. Isn't that happening in Infinity War? He emerges from Wakanda in Infinity War.

But he's been, I think it's in Black Panther. Isn't it? It doesn't really matter. Okay. Nevertheless, the Winter Soldier with the bionic arm is good again. He's good again and he's a Thunderbolt. So you've got U.S. Agent played by Wyatt Russell.

You've got Bucky Barnes, a.k.a. Winter Soldier, played by Sebastian Stan. Are any of the like Haley Steinfeld people? No. Are any of the little Marvels? No. That's a different team. They're the young. Young Avengers. of the little Marvels? No. That's a different team. They're the young young Avengers.

Oh like Avengers babies? Okay. I think that's a bit rude. They're reductive. Really funny if there were baby Avengers. Avengers babies. We mentioned David Harbour.

He's a Red Guardian. Oh he's back? He'll be back. Oh that's good news for their finances. Lillian's been selling foot pics on the internet. Like, I don't know what's going on. Foot pics?

Yeah. Did you buy any? Do you engage with her podcast content? I don't. I sometimes listen to the recaps. And I love Lily. I'm rooting for her always. But I was concerned about their financial situation.

I think Stranger Things money is about to hit. It'll be good. Yeah, that's true. They did one of those architectural digest tours and it was clear they just like ran out of money by the time they got

to the basement. I was like, those curtains, I made them. I do want to draw your attention to one other character in Thunderbolts. Character's name is

Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross. Is that Harrison Ford? It is. So he's a Thunderbolt? Because he's the Red Hulk. He's the leader of the a Thunderbolt because he's the Red Hulk he's the leader of the Thunderbolts and he's also Red Hulk

okay so we're going to redo the Harrison Ford Hall of Fame so we can get Red Hulk in there when is this coming out

next year what time I think in the summer it's after Captain America Brave New World I think May there's a couple of big blockbuster movies

that I think really drove you completely insane. In this year? Yeah. Tell me about them. Free Guy. Hated it.

Oh, yeah. Hated it. Yeah. Uh, I think we were all quite mad at No Time to Die. I liked it. I ultimately liked it. I did. I did.

Okay. I was, I was happy to be there. I was nervous that it was never going to get released. And I was feeling a little quarantine fatigue. Okay. On that episode. And I think it was like finally like the morning sickness had lifted, you know? Like I wasn't barfing.

Right. So, but I haven't watched it since. I haven't either. I did interview Keri Joji Fukunaga on that episode where we discussed the film and that was before certain events transpired. Yeah.

Certain revelations were made. And I haven't praised any of his work since but you have praised Masters of the Air. You've said that's one of your favorite shows. Actually, specifically.

I was real big into Bowdoin and Fleck's work on that. I see. Oh, right. Of course. No, it's fine. I thought it was okay. I thought it was a bold final chapter. It and Fleck's work on that. I see. Oh, right. Of course. No, Tony, I thought it was okay.

I thought it was a bold final chapter. It was a bold final act. Yeah. Lashana Lynch was good. Sure. That's going to be... Daniel Craig was good. Don't know why Rami Malek...

Rami Malek was great. Rami Malek, I don't know why he was there. That wasn't good. That was tough. I didn't like the stuff that was like The Snowman, you know, that was kind of like... But that opening was really good. Yeah, but it just wasn't Bond. Well, you know, that was kind of like, seemed like a Swedish thriller. But that opening was really good. Yeah, but not, it wasn't,

it just wasn't Bond. Well, you know. The scene where James Bond orders a missile strike on himself. Mm-hmm. That's going to be you

when Aaron Rodgers tears his ACL. Oh, and the Ana de Armas scene, that was really good. Yeah. That should have been the whole movie.

Come on, that was a fun movie. Yeah. How's she doing? When's Ballerina coming out? I believe next summer. Okay. Come on, that was a fun movie. Yeah. How's she doing? When's Ballerina coming out? I believe next summer. Okay. Can't say I was wowed by the footage I saw at CinemaCon.

Didn't they like reshot the movie since then? They reshot it and they retitled it John Wick Presents, colon, Ballerina. Oh, great. We'll see. No John Wick movies this year. 2021? Yeah. Three was 2019?

Yeah. Which one is F9? That's where they go they quote unquote go to space uh yes that's correct well they didn't go to space you're like the joe rogan of whether f9 you can also you can say the same for apollo 13 you know they went to space they did go to space they went to space in that one what do you mean and then they ludicrous went to space in f9 yeah but do you mean? Ludacris went to space in F9. Yeah, but like in a Honda. He was there. Chris Bridges was there. Okay.

In a Honda. Yeah. But it wasn't like a whole mission. Don't besmirch Apollo 13. I mean. 30 year anniversary coming next year. I'm just saying that Apollo 13 and F9 have some things in common. Gotta be okay with that.

Do you want to draft yeah so but i'm also happy to keep debating certain things if you want to like space travel yeah okay it's legitimacy i think it's legitimate me too do you have a problem with doing the three years later thing at the end of every year i'm just asking you why are are you asking me? Well, because you're the co-host of this podcast. No, I think it's good. And now I do actually understand it as a tradition that we do

every three years whereas like everything else you're like, and now in the grand tradition of the big picture something I made up

at 3 a.m. after watching Desperado. You know? So I like, no, I'm in, I'm with you now. The main thing is is like you don't always let me know I got to sell something before

it's time to sell it. I expect you to just read my energy. I think I do a decent job of that. Pretty good. Not him, though. He was just like, it's always so hard when we were podcasting together to share my thoughts. I was like, just fucking make something up. You're a podcaster.

Yeah. Oh, well, I just, I don't think I was that interesting in 2021. No, you were. I wasn't playing travel baseball. You're the person I most want to spend my time with that isn't in my family.

Like, that's as nice a thing as I could possibly say. You've got great shit going on. That's really nice of you guys to say. I don't feel,

I don't feel as interesting as I used to. I thought you were going to say, I don't feel the same way. I'd much rather be hanging out with Bruce Lowe. So, Bobby Wagner is not here with us today

but he has recorded the draft order I have not listened to this I'm going to play it for us here so we will hear in real time let's just let it play all the way through okay okay let's set the draft order no Topkin hat this time I'm on the road but long time listeners will

remember the ever reliable we'llable We'llDecide.com. Cookies are cleared. We'llDecide.com's algorithm favors no one. Here we go. Selecting first is Chris Ryan. And second will be Amanda Dobbins, which makes Sean third. Okay. So now we know. Chris first, Amanda second, me third.

I think this is okay. This means that this doesn't have to be mean-spirited. Maybe it will be. What do you mean? Well, like, maybe we don't have to. When has it ever been mean-spirited. Maybe it will be. What do you mean? Well, like, maybe we don't have to. When has it ever been mean-spirited? I'm so tired.

Can you just play along with my bits? Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. I'm not. It's not my pick. It's your pick first.

I mean, you can go for the jugular right now if you want to. Well, I'll take Dune and Blockbuster. I think that's the right call. I was kind of hoping to get third.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Because I love to have the turn in this particular draft. Dune was kind of hoping to get third because I love to have the turn in this particular draft. Dune is kind of a chalky pick. I don't really like

the blockbusters very much from this year. So this is this is the one that makes the most sense to me. I feel this was really good

picking a blockbuster that I saw on streaming. Oh, I saw it at that IMAX theater in Playa Vista that Sean was describing and it was awesome. And FI, not fucking invited. Yeah.

I saw it at the Stephen Ross theater on the Warner Brothers lot. Oh, that's your favorite Dolphins owner. It was. Is that, that's the really good one. That's where we saw Dude 2 as well. I mean, that is, that's one of the best theaters in LA. I've seen both installments in that theater. It was incredible.

However, this was the origin, of course, of me saying, wait a minute. This isn't the whole story. What's happening here, sir? I saw Romulus at the IMAX at the Brand or at the Americana or whatever. Generally a positive experience, except for the 20 minutes that a man stood in front of another man showing him his ticket on his phone. And the other man was just like i'm not getting up and the guy just held the phone in his face and the other guy was just like

i'm not moving but they weren't even yelling at each other it was just like a silent standoff between two gladiators well which guy were you the guy with the phone or the guy in the seat? Of course, I not only, I very far in advance buy my tickets, select my seats to be away from others in some ways. I like to get on the aisle. But then this guy,

these two guys just fucking, they worked it out though. Eventually, they turned their phones off. Did one of them have a xenomorph implanted in their body?

No, but this is probably why I was like, I wonder if Rain is Ripley's daughter because I couldn't really paint it. How did they resolve it? Was there a third party

who came in to start a dialogue? It was essentially like a matter of moving down one seat. Okay. Yeah. And so did the man sitting

move down a seat? Yes. Okay. But like, really, how long was he? Like, honestly, six minutes.

Yeah. Just be like i'm sorry it's really funny yeah that's what society's at hopefully president blank will bring about president rfk jr people are amazing They'll ban electronic ticketing the first day. Okay, I start crying. Shout out to those guys. And shout out to Denis Villeneuve, who made a great blockbuster. Yeah, this is so good.

It's such a great movie. It's a great movie. Yeah. It's a really, really, really good movie. Okay, that's what I would have taken a blockbuster. Again, in the spirit of kindness. You're just covered in tears. I know.

It's just really funny. And I just like also imagining Chris sitting there just staring, you know, like maybe getting the timer. Instead of doing anything at all. We'll start with two guys silently showing each other their phones. It's really funny. Do people still do that? You should bring that back. Worldstar was good and icing dudes was good.

Did you ever ice anyone? Did you ever ice me? We iced people at the Ringer for a while. Did we? At Graylin. No, it was at the Ringer for a while. Did we? Yeah, at Graylin. Yeah. At Graylin. No, it was at the Ringer, wasn't it? Icing was at the Ringer?

No, no, no. Or maybe I brought icing back at the Ringer, but I think Gallagher brought it back. I think Gallagher and I tried to ice dudes. What was it?

Was it Smirnoff ice? Yeah. Did you ever? But what would you do? Would you make people drink it? But like, how? I remember when I dropped

off the pallet full of Smirnoff ice at your house and you very slowly knocked out 800 cans over the course of two years. No, that's why I can't remember what I was doing in 2021. I got iced too much. Did you present it like, did you kneel down in front of the person

or did the person have to kneel down once they had been like sneak presented with the icing? Were you old enough? No, but do you like how did it work? Kneel. Like the person

that gets iced. Kneels. Okay, and so but so if you ice someone you just have to figure out a way of how to present it to them like sneakily? Yeah, you would hide it

and you'd pull it out. Also, you definitely did this at the Ringer because I was 16 in high school and Ringer was 2016, 17. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was definitely a thing.

I was icing time. No, no, no. Icing time was like 2009, 2010. We brought it back. You keep saying that like it was social security or something.

Like you saved it. I voted for icing. No, I'm just imagining you like icing people at the Americana at the movie but you were like I iced all of our

22 year old employees we were fighting over the ticket I climb over the seats and I spoke you're the great uniter and then a fucking xenomorph jumps out of a guy's chest you should you should I think it would be better if you were more like the Joker you know And then a fucking xenomorph jumps out of a guy's chest.

You should... I think it would be better if you were more like the Joker, you know, where you're just showing up places and like playing pranks, you know, and just setting people up. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Is there any part of you that is confusing this

with the ice bucket challenge? And you did that nude. I do remember that. I remember when you did it, you did it stark naked, right? And you did that I do remember that I remember when you did it you did it stark naked right and you did it was it at a

was it the iron bowl stark naked at the 50 yard line why are you doing this okay Amanda did you pick anything no I have a choice okay

and like I said I was gonna do the nice thing I mean cause I could just I could do licorice pizza, but that is mean. And I am going to leave it for you. And so in Blackbuster, I'll do a very unamended thing. Because it is a weird year and I will take Spider-Man No Way Home. You could make the case that that's a worse thing that you did than take licorice pizza.

Because now he's got to take it like Shang-Chi. Right. But. I mean, compete. You know. Compete in the way you'd like to compete. Sorry for trying to like give you something that you love. Not even a disingenuous apology.

Apology. Not accepted. Yeah. The good news for you is you've just been iced. You're extremely pregnant. Drink this're extremely pregnant get on your knee and drink this smear off ice i would absolutely 100 vomit and then like but i'm at the point where i would drink it um i liked this film has toby mcguire ever had a smear off ice yes oh I really apologize to Florence Pugh because I forgot.

It's not her. It's Marisa Tomei, who's like, I don't know what you're talking about. They asked her, do you have any memorable days on set during Spider-Man? And she goes, nope.

Let's do that. She's good in those movies. She's good in those movies. And also, nobody's doing it like her in those movies. She looks amazing. Yeah, we did all see this movie together. This was nice.

We were back in theaters. Big ringer screening, yeah. Yeah, it was very sweet. Was I good? No, you were. Once again, you were. No. Sorry about that.

Whoops. You guys are doing the ice fucking catch. Yeah, it was 48 ringer employees, but we forgot Chris. My bad. Anyway, obviously this was a very successful movie. I feel like this is the only time that I've ever even gotten like a whiff of what it feels like to. You got emotional. Like a Marvel fan.

And you guys were like, oh, and then they brought all the people together and I was like, oh, it actually was moving when Tobey Maguire and then Andrew Garfield showed up and he saves whoever Zendaya is playing

because he couldn't save whoever Emma Stone... He saves MJ because he couldn't save Gwen Stacy. Yeah, well, I can't remember their names. And we lose Marissa Tomei in this movie, do we not?

I can't remember. Aunt May? I've only seen this movie once. Me too. But Alea is giving a thumbs up to the fact that we lose Aunt May, which, okay. But I was like, oh, this is playing on nostalgia in a way that even I can access. And it was nice to be back in the movie theaters. And also it made a shitload

of money it's a very fun blockbuster mhm I don't want to say it's the platonic ideal of a superhero movie but it was a good moment

after two very trying years with movies so for it to be really truly the first big big big movie since COVID I think was appropriate

since it gave a lot of people joy it is definitely what I would have taken next in blockbuster because of the scarcity there. So that means in drama, I will take licorice pizza. Is licorice pizza a comedy or a drama?

I think it's a dramedy. I think it's, you could take it. Bradley Cooper is very funny in this film. Well, then I'll take it in comedy. If it's a comedy, if you will allow it.

Let's see what Wikipedia says. The ultimate arbiter. If it says dramedy, we usually let you choose in either direction. We had just had a version of this that we talked about in 96. So you got mad. American romantic comedy drama. Well, in comedy, I'll be taking licorice pizza. Okay.

I think that's beautiful. This is Paul Thomas Anderson's most recent film. It's a snapshot of 1970s Southern California seen through the prism of his experience and producer Gary Getzman about some young hustlers, one in particular who encounters a gal in her 20s and they start a romantic affair. You protested this movie for months

because of the age gap controversy. That had such a weird you immediately stopped protesting the opening of movie theaters once they opened you began protesting paul thomas anderson's work publicly i honestly was just thinking about how much money i paid to the Westwood parking officials. Oh, yeah, that's right. To be able to, because it was screening. And a wonderful film-going experience. And then a $60 parking tab. Congratulations to Westwood. I did find street parking one of the three times I saw it. Do you cry when Let Me Roll It played in this movie?

I think Amanda and I both were like, oh. Like, it's like hair standing on our arms straight up. And then let me roll it. We like we played it to Knox like a lot while he was still. Do you ever say to Knox, Barbra Streisand? Sand. I think he would be really he would respond to that. To John Peters being his babysitter.

I honestly think Knox and Bradley Cooper would really get along. I think Knox is a little too decent for Bradley Cooper. Oh, okay. One of my takes.

He's very pure, Knox. Yeah, but... Bradley, you know, he's a stormy fellow. He's got some issues. He's wonderful as Peters in this movie. Alana Heim,

not made a movie since then. Is she in, I believe, the Battle of whatever the hell it's called, or not Vineland? The Battle of the Bulge. It's a recreation. No, it's like the Battle of something Heights

or the Battle of something Hills. Yeah, I saw the reported title. I'm sure we'll know what it is by the time this actually airs, but I don't know if that's the actual title of the movie. Isn't she in that? Is she? That would make sense.

Cooper Hoffmanman terrific in this movie really liked what he's been up to did you guys see wildcat i was just talking to somebody about this the ethan hawke directed movie about flannery o'connor no my parents did and they then they like hung out with ethan hawke in atlanta afterwards oh no shit yeah it just sounds great that's that's fun yeah um i wasn't crazy about it. I don't know. How? Because I think he was like going, you know, doing the road tour. No, I think this is one of the times in the last five years my dad was like, sure, I'll go see a movie. Okay.

Was it because it's Flannery O'Connor? No. Was there like a special like Georgia experience with that movie? I don't know. I mean, they just went to a screening where he did a q a afterwards i'm exaggerating it but i'm just wondering why he was there you know uh atlanta is the filmmaking capital of the southeast that's great here's the world's second smallest donut i mean um i wish we had donuts right now that would have been nice I was honestly

we're smeared on fights I was thinking about like if we could like have Dairy Queen delivered I mean I don't think it would have the same charm

yeah that's true it's also like in Temecula I know it's really tough do you remember when we went to Palm Springs and then on the way home we got Sonic

and then we just like had like a psychotic meltdown. That was pretty good. I drank some giant green drink. We had like 42 potato puffs. Yeah, I was like, more taquitos! It was an interesting day. Licorice Pizza, great movie.

I brought Wildcat because Cooper Hoffman, in the telling of A Good Man is Hard to Find, plays the salesman in that story. And he's really good. Isn't he in Saturday Night? And he's in Saturday Night. And you've now seen Saturday Night and devoted 10 episodes to it.

Yeah. And. Pleased to announce Jason Reitman is third chair on the big picture. It's exciting times. Replacing Amanda. It's just me,

CR and Jason. And JR. Every week. Yeah. Did you see the John Mulaney clip with the fake Saturday Night? I did. What a special person.

You know what my take on that is? What? Carrying water for Big Warren. Okay. Oh, yeah. That's fine with me. Protecting Papa. Yeah.

You know? Gotta watch it on a show produced by Papa. Yeah. You know, the Seth Meyers show. Convenient. Okay. You gotta have some distance

and some closeness to the material. Okay. So you put that in comedy. I'm just gonna keep track of these. My next pick... An Oscar nominee, I'll be taking West Side Story. Okay. Steven Spielberg's masterful remake?

I guess it's a remake. Yeah. Of the legendary 1960 musical which is one of the most virtuosically made movies in his career and another movie that oh i thought you were saying that about the original i mean they both are they're both amazing but in completely different ways and there is some revisionist history like oh i didn't realize but i remember at the time you and i were both really, really enthusiastic about this. I was absolutely blown away by it.

And I was on my top five of the year. And I remember just feeling overwhelmed. I mean, I love the original West Side Story well and Hollywood musicals. And it gets all of it. Yeah. First 15 Minutes 2 is a masterclass in reinventing the way that a movie like that would look. of it. Yeah. First 15 minutes too is a masterclass in reinventing the way that I'm going to be like

back in the book. And Ariel DuBose is really good in this. She is. And she won an Academy Award for her performance. Okay. So those are my two picks.

PTA and Steven Spielberg? In a COVID year? Yeah. You got a Spider-Man movie. Well. It's true. I think I'm going to add to a Spider-Man movie. Well, it's true. Um, I think I'm going to add

to, to that glory. Well, you're taking Eternals in drama? No, I, I'm just trying to decide

whether you're going to take really anything from me at this point. Mm-hmm. Aside from your dignity? Yeah. And, like, maybe you'll take a couple of mine as well. I would have liked to have West Side Story.

I think once we get off five of these things, it's, like, basically go with your heart's personal preference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I kind of just want to go with my heart anyway so I think it's going to be okay it's things like some categories are thinner than others I guess in action horror thriller

I know well I'm trying to decide I was just if you were just go ahead you're taking Benedetta oh my god I was just, if you were, if, just go ahead. You're taking Benedetta. Oh my God, you remember? It's one of our best pods.

My mom was like, what movie? I was home with my mom and she was like, what movie are you podcasting about? And I said, Benedetta. And she was like, do you want to watch it with me? And I was like, absolutely not. I honestly... You're stumped. Well, it's awkward to be the middle person, you know, strategy-wise. Yeah.

And I, like, I was not going to draft No Time to Die, but now I'm like, should I? But I haven't thought about it since really. So... I wonder if I've been less likely, maybe I don't know if this is true for you, less likely to return to any of these movies because they were seen in such strange circumstances. That was what I was saying is that

well for me it's actually weirdly like the opposite where you know a lot of these movies immediately went into cable rotation and were on streaming. So I feel like I watched them piecemeal or I watched them one and a half or two and a quarter times. But I actually wound up having some favorites because of that style of watching things. I have not revisited No Time to Die. But then my other pick is a movie that is, like like great until the end and it's not great

so go with your heart i don't know what my heart is telling me go with your head i don't know what my head is telling me either go with your gallbladder i don't know where that is right now um okay maybe i just don't need to do that category right now because I have some other options you know what you have somewhere to be can I help you

you need to make it to breadwin to give away another organ you keep taking me up to the edge of maybe you're going to take it and I'm like yes or no and then you pull back so should I do it no this is just is rattling me I feel like I'm watching yes and then or no right and then and then you pull back and so like should I

do it this no this is just make is rattling me like I feel like I'm watching my life well I know but I feel like you are you have like a lot of stakes and no time to die I maybe I do and maybe I don't but it's like the the suspense is trying to throw us off the scent by saying it wasn't very good when frankly Amanda and I liked it and you tried to other us on this podcast yeah you guys are really you're killing it by loving Trap and No Time to Die. You guys are just the peak of cinematic. Falling Kale

is saluting you in heaven. No. No. Sincere movie watchers, you know? I am a sincere film watcher. And willing to meet the movie on its own terms.

No Time to Lie. That's the C.R. Bond movie. No Time to Lie? Okay. It's about a film critic who just tells the truth. But he's James Bond? And he's... That would be an interesting rebrand.

Yeah. If they just cast like... That is actually sounds like what they... I guess, okay. I'm just gonna do something really weird that makes no sense. But I'm gonna go to comedy because I really only have one comedy. That's not true because I remembered

that Worst Person in the World could technically count as a comedy. But I mean, it's not exactly uplifting. Instead, I'm going to do Shiva Baby. Hey! Yeah, that was on my list too.

I thought it might be on your list. Yeah. Which is the debut of Emma Seligman. And I think the first time I saw both Rachel Sennett and Molly Gordon. So, and it's also a very funny, if awkward movie in its own right. I love it. But just kind of, you remember where you were when you encountered the work of all these people.

You did not see Yeah. Life of the Party the 2019 movie starring Melissa McCarthy? I didn't. Okay. I remember seeing that 2018 movie. I remember seeing that

and I was like who's that? And it was Molly Gordon. Molly Gordon. Yeah. I mean maybe let's see. Let me click.

Maybe I had seen her before but I remember watching this movie and being like oh that person and now she is just now they're both just partying with

Charlie XCX at Tenants of the Trees and they didn't invite me they really they made it those two just made it I mean my birthday is two days apart

from Charlie's you almost went in the sense that I went to Gelson's that night while it was happening yeah I guess we've seen no

I mean they were there I think people were partying there I guess Molly Gordon was... You wandering into the Charlie X parties by yourself, holding a bag of Gelson's groceries. No offense, but in some ways,

I'm cooler than everybody in that bar. Oh, wow. I am. Keep going. I'm not stopping you. Taste-wise, the shit I rock with, it's pretty cool. You know what I mean?

So you're better than us because you didn't like Trap. But you're also better than CharlieXCX and Rachel Sennett because you shop at Gelson's. Is there a cooler supermarket? Is there a more brat supermarket? I do think it's cooler

to park at the Gelson's than at the Trader Joe's if you're going to Tats. I can't park in that Trader Joe's. I do park at Gelson's than at the Trader Joe's if you're going to Towson. I can't park in that Trader Joe's. I do park at Gelson's to go to Trader Joe's, but I respect Gelson's enough to always buy something at Gelson's. I have actually called the Gelson's security on you a couple of times and you've done that. And I can't believe your car hasn't been towed yet.

And they're like, we would tow him, but he just iced us. And we're hammered. You found the one way to neutralize the police. You just guys, you just got iced. Molly Gordon

was in Booksmart. So, I hadn't seen her before but, you know, whatever. I enjoy this film if you haven't seen it uh it's really good emma seligman was on the show for the movie actually really enjoyed it good pick cr you're up

for oscar nominee i will do one of the best movies of the decade the greatest work of art by guillermo del toro wow nightmare alley are Wow. I love this film. This is an incredible movie. Yeah. Good. Good. Go ahead. Fire away. I didn't think that I was going to lose you to carnivals.

Oh, it's not about carnivals. That's right. It's about the darkness inside of the American heart. The carnival of the mind. Yeah. We're all barkers. What lurks in the heart of man. What an incredible film.

Thank you, Chris. Thanks for saying so. Of course, I agree with you. Maybe my favorite Bradley Cooper performance. He's very, very good in this movie. But easily my favorite Guillermo del Toro. What? Movie?

Aren't you kind of on the same page? He's very good. I'm a huge fan. I mean, this is one where I watch it at home. And once again, carnies aren't really my bag. It's only about that. It's only about that for like 20 minutes at the beginning and 20 minutes at the end.

It's a lot about that. Like, there's like a lot of carnival stuff. It's a Guillermo del Toro movie, okay? He's a con man. Yeah. I think it's a con man movie. I mean, like all the mirrors in Cate Blanchett's office or whatever look very cool.

The production design is amazing. It's beautiful. It's obviously good. It's the best Bradley Cooper performance. Well, what's better? Wedding Crashers. Yeah. I'd like to see if...

Star is born? I'd like to see if that character had to stretch out as much as Vince Vaughn did. You know? Okay. Hangover Part 3? No.

Okay. American Sniper? He has the plastic baby. Just let it sit there. Okay. American Sniper. And he has the plastic baby. Just let it sit there. Yeah. Burnt. One day you should come with a plastic baby to one of these. Did you see the Dungeons and Dragons movie?

Can I still do that? And then I'm like, oh, new mom, right? I know. It's crazy. What about it? What did you see? Did you see the Dungeons and Dragons movie with Chris Pine? Bradley Cooper. It's crazy. What did you ask? Did you see the Dungeons and Dragons movie with Chris Pine?

Bradley Cooper? Yeah, briefly in that. It's a hilarious cameo. I mean, he's small and the chair is big. It's a good bit. It's a really good bit. Yeah.

Anyway, Demi Alli, I thought one of my favorite endings of a movie in quite some time, even since, and I often don't vibe with the more sort of creature feature parts of Guillermo del Toro stuff. It's not really up to my taste in horror, like that kind of gothic style that he has.

But I really love this film. And I really felt like it's very prescient, as many people have pointed out. But it was like the idea of constantly trying to scratch and claw your way to higher levels of success and fame no matter what. And you feel that you now more deeply understand that because of where you've gotten to in your career? Well, I scratched and clawed myself to third chair, didn't I? And look at all the spoils you get to enjoy. For example, Amanda's crying festival over here.

We're on tier 1000. So I'll take it. Fantastic baby. It's just like they didn't get a real baby. That's so crazy. That movie made like $500 million. It did. So I think that this concludes

this podcast. The folded titles. titles i disagree the hottest names in cinema the films everyone's talking about and now we get to the ones that i'm talking about okay the film that i have i was supposed to make a very sincere i know i, but I'm just imagining Clint Eastwood being like, fire this baby, it's crying. Just bring in a plastic baby. Is that what happened? Is that the story?

Probably. Clint's like, I got two minutes for this scene. This baby's gotta nail it. Reared back and was like, I'm doing Casey Kasem here. We were talking about the cinema for everybody. Now we're talking about my cinema. My pick is gonna be...

Okay, cinema. Cinema. I'm going to take... What did you see? About 11 movies this year? Oh, see? Now he's not ready. I get in trouble for crying laughing?

You see a lot of movies this year? I saw like dozens of movies this year. You seem a little stumped. No, because I know that I'm going to go with my heart and you're going to be like... I would never. So, drama, I'm taking no sudden move. Steven Soderbergh's film with Don Cheadle and Benicia del Toro and Karen

Culkin and the great Julia Fox and others. I won't spoil it. You said the great Julia Fox. I did. Okay. She's wonderful in this film. Yep. She's good in it.

This is a great, uh, more caper period piece about, about uh corporate espionage and kidnapping it's just an awesome taut thriller that i think really fell on deaf ears and eyes when it first came out on max it was like had like three days in like the blogosphere like in anyone commenting on it i've watched this movie multiple times i think it's incredible uh really one of the best scripted Soderberghs in his sort of recent

Max straight to streamer run. And I just, I love this movie. I know it was in no danger of being taken out from under me, but I just thought I would grab drama now. Good pick. I think I just forgot to add this to my long list. It was on my list, yeah.

But this is more of just everybody gets I know and I just feel like I always pick Steven Soderbergh movies when we're doing around this era like I think I

grabbed let them all talk yeah you did and maybe next year you can grab Kimmy and I think I picked

what was the Panama Papers one oh yeah you did the laundromat so like I'm always I'm always here for Steven yeah me too on this day in August I posted a photograph of a blu-ray Oh, yeah, you did. The laundromat. So, like, I'm always here. For Steven?

Yeah. Me too. On this day in August, I posted a photograph of a Blu-ray that I was sent of Mr. Brooks. And the first guy who replied wrote, Can you please let me send you my VHS copy of Steven Soderbergh's Kafka? I promise it'll be worth it. Great picks. I still don't know what to do about action horror thriller.

What's your problem there? I don't know which one to take. It'd be awesome if you could hem and haw about it for another 20 minutes. Did you see? Can I give her a hint? Do you want me to tell you more about the plastic baby? Well, the hem and haw, maybe that's better. So did you not see very many horror movies because you were like, no, thank you? Yeah, I don't really see that.

Sometimes you'll go see or you'll listen to us describe one. It's true. And I have seen some recently. There's one here about a woman that I thought you might be interested in. Is it a Taylor Sheridan movie about a woman? No. Oh, which one was that? Well, there's one starring Rebecca Hall.

A horror movie? Yeah. Oh, I didn't see that. Did I? It's a significant part of big picture lore because it's the film that I watched the night that my daughter was born. Oh, right. Right, right, right.

Yeah. That's so weird. Why didn't you just go to sleep? I wanted to watch a movie. I had a new screener. It was expiring. Okay. That's, and they definitely wouldn't have extended the screener for you.

I saw this film at Sundance at the time Sean was contracting the first case of COVID in the United States. None of the rest of us got it. Yeah, I know. So I just don't think that it was COVID. But how did you not get what I had? That's the other thing. Like, I had something. I've never been so sick in my life.

I know. I don't know. That was tough. Okay. Anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. The Night House is the name of the movie you're describing. Maybe I'll draft it later.

Awesome movie. Awesome movie. Okay. I guess I'll just keep doing things that I care about and maybe someone else can make the decision for me. So... You just described drafting. Okay.

Not always. Sometimes I like to... It's rare that I am indecisive in these things. I agree. I'm like, I don't know what to do. That's true. It's rare in life. You think it's rare that I am indecisive in these things. I agree. I don't know what to do. That's true. It's rare in life. You think it's because you're on the doorstep of birth?

What do you think? What's the reason for that? No, I think that I, that is one of my features is that I know what I want. I totally agree with that. And so, why do you think you're indecisive now?

Cause there aren't, I'm choosing between not great options, you know, and I making the argument against myself and again this is like a strange strategic

place to be because I don't think you're going to take any of my other guys but maybe you never know

I'll be really upset if you do so I guess I'll just take what I want so in drama I'll take the souvenir in part two

which was a foregone conclusion but is one of my why do we take so long to get there this is just one of you love these movies take what I want. So in drama, I'll take the souvenir in part two, which was a foregone conclusion, but is one of my... Why did we take so long to get there? This is just one of your... Well, because I was... I don't know.

Like, I'm trying to take the movies that are in contention. I don't know whether souvenir part two is like a deeply Amanda movie or just like a partially Amanda movie.

I know you also love both souvenirs. Is it more Amanda than Trap? I prefer part one if I think about it. i don't know if i've really thought about it too much but i think i've seen part one twice no part two only yeah i really like the project so i mean part one was like the revelation of oh wow look at this like amazing thing and it was the first joanna hong movie i ever seen. And then I since have gone back and seen all of them.

But so I agree with you that there's something, like, truly exciting about it. But there... Two is good. I'm not denigrating it. And there is, like, a real... Like, both Souvenirs are heavily autobiographical. And the choices that she's making

and the way that she presents her younger self and I think some of the like there is both like generosity and also like a very wry like what like what's wrong with you to all of them that I just find very exciting performances are great I'm I had forgotten that Harris Dickinson is in it. It's just really a who's who of tall British guys. And yeah, I just like these movies a lot. So I also will never forget that I went to this screening and God bless Josh, the publicist who had to announce. I was just asked.

So yes, there is in fact a souvenir part one. Which is an incredible, that is really, really funny. That's so amazing. Yeah, it's very special. Josh is great, that's very funny. Josh is wonderful. Okay, so there we go. Okay, good pick.

I haven't been second in a while. It's weird only having one pick. Yeah. Yeah. I've got comedy and I've got Oscar nominee. I'm going to pass on Blockbuster for the time being. Okay. Those movies aren't getting any better,

so you might as well just leave them there. Agreed. In drama, I will take Judas and the Black Messiah. Okay, I meant to ask about this. Because I... Oh. I do... Is it ask about this. Because I... Oh.

I do... Is it not? It's for last... The previous year's Oscars? Maybe you're right. Yeah, because I can't remember, but I do think since they were Oscar eligible for our 2020 draft...

Because this is what I was wondering about. Nome... Maybe not Nomadland. No, this is... Yeah, February 1st, 2021 for Sundance. And February 12th, 2020... Yeah, so it was eligible for the Oscars that transpired in 2021. Right.

Yes, Daniel Kaluuya won for the year of movies that we drafted in 2020. But it was released in 2021. Yeah, but I just can't remember what we did in the 2020 draft because we might have extended it slightly. Well, I can find that out if you want to sit here momentarily. Judas and the Black Messiah directed by Shaka King starring Daniel Kaluuya

and Lakeith Stanfield, Jesse Plemons I think is now like extraordinarily underrated. At the time, I was like if this were 1997,

this movie would be huge. How does Shaka King not have another movie going on? Well, that was what I was just going to say is that where is his next movie? When we were getting ready for this, and I was like, oh, surely,

maybe I forgot something. And I was like, this dude is serious talent. Like, what's going on? I fully agree with you. He was a guest of the show. That was a cool interview. I remember that. It was really cool.

I really liked him a lot. He was really smart and really engaging. And yeah, I don't know. It didn't happen. i don't think judas and the black messiah was taken oh no it was taken by me but you know where it was taken oscar nominee but i don't think you can do it twice respectfully i'm sorry it's a great Gosh. I'd like to see you work for it a little more. Good memory by you. Yeah, nice job. I didn't remember specifically that you drafted, but I do remember that...

That would be the only category we'd be eligible in. Yeah, that we did a little flexibility because it was such a weird year. Hmm. Okay. Then I won't take Judas and the Black Messiah. In drama, I'll take The Worst Person in the World. Okay.

Another movie I loved. I think this is my second favorite movie of the year. They're reunited, making Joachim von Trier's new film. Trier and Renate Rensby. Mm-hmm. Most recently seen in Presumed Innocent. Did you ever watch that?

Oh, yeah. No, I did finish it. I finished it finally this weekend. It took me forever. And obviously I knew exactly what was going to happen. Yeah. I, you know, I think TV shows take too long. This is a movie podcast.

Chris agrees with you about that show. Yeah. Don't you? I do. Well, do you think it will make your best 10 shows of the year? I do not. You can say that in August for sure now. I don't think so because I can think of six or seven off the top of my head.

So the chances are between August and December. Is that coming back this year? Yes, in the fall. It's September 18th. Yeah. I mean, again, I don't,

this is a movie podcast so I don't really do TV shows but that, is it about grief again? Yeah, what's the famous quote where you did the punch up on that episode of WandaVision where that quote came in, right?

Grief is just like the soul revolving through time. Why do you listen to me but then you listen to the watch and you're just like... Because I like knowing what's going on with my guys. Thanks. You know? And, you know, I listen to rewatchables also, so that's how I learn about your food stuff. Worst person in the world nominated for best original screenplay. I remember cheering when that happened.

I was clapping. I was very happy. I really really like the screenplay i like this story a lot i like how the self-recrimination of the anders danielson lie character when he's at the end of his life and he's like what did i do which is like watched cool movies and read cool books is that all my life is and then he died yeah and I was like well at least I have representation on screen you know I really appreciate that

wonderful movie so you did worst person in the world for drama I did got another pick hmm in action

horror thriller I will take Malignant I was waiting for this and I was wondering if Amanda had seen it do you know about Malignant. I was waiting for this and I was wondering if Amanda had seen it. Do you know about Malignant? Did you tell me about it? I don't think so.

So the thing with Malignant was it was also a day and date movie very similar to what we just did with Alien Romulus where we couldn't see the movie until basically the morning of. So we watched the movie and then came into the studio

and Chris and I recorded a podcast about Malignant which is an original horror movie from James Wan, who, of course, is arguably the signature voice of horror in the last 20 years. Written by Akilah Cooper,

who wrote Megan. And it's about... What would you say it's about? A lady with a friend. A lady with a friend. Good way to put it. And I think we both were a little mystified by it

and also watched it at 8.30 in the morning. Yeah, it was tough. It was a Good way to put it. And I think we both were a little mystified by it and also watched it at 8.30 in the morning. Yeah, it was tough. It was a wrong time to see it. And then I rewatched it like a couple weeks later after many people who I trust were like, you're way off base. Because we were like, this is cool.

It's fine. It's okay. It feels flawed. And then rewatched it again at night and was like, oh, I see. I was off on this for sure. This is really fun and crazy and chaotic and beautiful. And I like it a lot.

Annabelle Wallace, great performance as the lead. This movie totally got buried by the straight to streaming thing. It has a culty following. I think it could have. If you imagine putting it out in the summer of long legs, the summer of Romulus, it could have, like, if you imagine putting it out in the summer of Longlegs, the summer of Romulus, you know, like, could have really done some stuff. I think there's a world where 10 years from now, it's like, there's rep screenings and the cast is reuniting. And it's a really crazy, fun movie.

So that's my horror pick. Okay. So those are your two. Yeah. Amanda, you're up. Amanda, you're up. Okay. I made a strategic mistake.

And that's okay because you know we're all imperfect and I really needed to focus on the plastic baby uh I could have taken what I'm going to take an Oscar nominee in action horror thriller but I don't have a better Oscar nominee now because I just googled a bunch and learned that French Dispatch was not nominated for a single Oscar. It's tough. That is tough. So in Oscar nominee, I will take The Lost Daughter, which is technically a thriller, but this is Maggie Gyllenhaal's adaptation of the Elena Ferrante novel starring Olivia Colman, Dakota Johnson, Jesse Buckley, Paul Meskel, Sarsgaard, Dagmara, Domenech, like everyone shows up. I really like this movie. I think I like this movie more than any Elena Ferrante novel that I've actually read, even though I do think they're great, but it's a great work of both adaptation and translation.

Yeah. though I do think they're great but I it's it's a great work of both adaptation and translation yeah um and brings like the feeling that you get reading these novels that just this is kind of like why like but why are you doing this but I'm still sort of completely sucked in by you and I want to know why you're doing this. Obviously like a great you know off the wall Olivia Colman performance as they all are.

And another thing where it was like released late in the year and I think sort of underseen. But if you haven't if you haven't checked it out very worthwhile. I was a big fan as well.

Very good. And her next movie will be a Bride of Frankenstein movie how do you feel about that? it's fine I'm not a really big Frankenstein person

but that's cool because you don't want to have to think about God's role in creation you know I don't really go for the

universal monster reverse stuff like that stuff's never really either scared me or interested in me interested in me as like stories so like all the mummy

Frankenstein even like bad camp Dracula stuff you're saying Bela Lugosi's Dracula's camp just anything where he's got like the slick slick hair pointy chin he's like I call you blood

that stuff it's a shame Nosferatu Gary pointy chin. He's like, ooh, I call me the sock, your blood. That stuff. It's a shame. Zabra, like Nosferatu, Gary Oldman, Bram Stoker, yes.

Mm-hmm. You know, Lothario vampire. You'll be in Nosferatu countdown at this point. Yeah. Something tells me I will have already seen it

by the time this posts. Right. But I just mean in creating an atmosphere for this podcast. Sorry to help you with your job. You didn't help me at all. Okay. You went from being like kind of trying to have fun

and be nice earlier. And now you're like being super mean to the pregnant lady. What was mean? What did I say that was mean? You didn't help me at all. Yeah. I was trying to hype you up for Nosferatu. Yeah, she was trying to throw you in all year.

Like, you're psyched, man. You've been waiting all year for it. December 25th. And you're like, I will have already seen that shit. You know, Christmas is in the air. I'm like, you want to get a little countdown now? Going on the bottom of the screen? This many days to Nosferatu?

Yeah, Count Dracula. Yeah. Maybe we should do a... I think you should. A countdown clock. You could do a little advent calendar, but for Nosferatu. And it's all your weird shit. What weird shit?

These are the stories that people love. Yeah. Except for Chris, who doesn't like, Bela Lugosi's Dracula. I don't, Todd Browning's Dracula. Come on, bro.

Such a disappointment to me sometimes. I think, I think you're up. Did you just go? What did you pick? No, did you just go? Yeah. What did you pick?

I picked The Lost Daughter. I'll take and i talked about adaptation um i'll be completely honest with you guys in comedy i'm going against the grain against the wind and i'm taking house of gucci i re-watched it last night and honestly if i didn't get you but maybe i was gonna put it in it's very very very funny yeah i think I laughed louder out loud in my seat like a pigeon this is also like I don't Gladiator 2

is out in the world now which means no matter what we've had another Ridley discourse which is like to quote Sir Ridley himself in spirit

if not in actuality like go fuck yourselves Ridley's great at making movies I completely agree he he cooked through the alien Romulus. Yeah, amazing stuff. What do you think about the rumor

that Paul Thomas Anderson rewrote Napoleon for Joaquin Phoenix? I buy it a million percent. The boats line and also the lamb chop is my divine right. Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon. Why them? Two movies that he is reported

to have either ghostwritten or done a heavy polish on. Two movies about dumb guys ensorcelled by beautiful women that lead them to making catastrophic mistakes in their life. This is the Paul Thomas Anderson signature. But does it matter that Napoleon was not a great film? I like it. I think it's good. Okay. It's not great, but it's good. I like a great film? I like it. I think it's good.

Okay. It's not great, but it's good. I like House of Gucci. I like Napoleon. I like them. I think we all wanted more from Napoleon, did we not? Well, it could have been better. Why don't we get a four-hour thing?

I don't know. I know. I was just asking about this. It got rated, right? So we know it exists. Okay. Hopefully soon. Would you actually watch it in full?

Because you never watched the Kingdom of Heaven one in full, right? No. But... Would you like... Napoleon and Kingdom of Heaven are kind of similar. Yeah, yeah,

because it's just like a lot more battle sequences. And it's just like there's something great here but it's not great. But didn't they say they cut out a lot of Josephine stuff? So I like Vanessa Kirby.

Oh, bring it on for me. Yeah, exactly. That's right. They must have. Why would she have done that movie to be like in two scenes? I think she's very good. I think that movie

is a little misunderstood. I think a lot of people were thrown off because Joaquin is doing a very weird Joaquin thing. And if you had just cast, who's the right actor to even make this reference about?

I don't even know. Who's a 30-something British or French actor who would be an interesting casting as Napoleon right now? Help me out. I know, but like... This is kind of a good game.

Yeah. Because Joaquin's way too old. I think at the time, like, would Taron Egerton be in the conversation? No. Too young? Too...

He's like a short, blustery Brit. Yeah, I guess so. But, I mean, Napoleon wasn't British, so there's some conflict there. He wasn't from California either. But, you know, Ridley didn't seem to care about that. Yeah, that's true.

It's a good game. I can't think of anybody off the top of my head, but there's got to be somebody out there who's like a little bit rumpled, but a little bit defiant. Jeremy Allen White. What if he was Napoleon as Wolverine? Yeah. Would you be into that?

Anyway. So I'll take House of Gucci. It's just the Jared Leto, Al Pacino stuff in that movie is so fucking funny, even if Adam Driver is like, I am in a tortured young man movie. And then what to do with horror?

Because it's a great horror year in terms of like it being satisfying like it was like i think i felt like once or twice a month there was a new like weird streaming horror thing to watch with uh with my buddy my my partner in scares sean fantasy or my wife who also loves yeah i thought that was going to be a Phoebe so why don't I I'll just take one that I happen to love I'm going to grab Paranormal Activity Next of Kin yeah

underrated which is about a woman who's going to look for her biological family in Amish country yeah this movie honestly rocked it's William Eubank

I fired it up on Paramount Plus the day it came out. From the director of Land of Bad. Yeah, and Underwater. Yeah. Honestly, truly one of my favorite directors of this decade. He has not lost yet.

She's in Amish country, and then she finds all these letters from her mom being like, don't come here. And then the Amish people are in a cult, and there's a demon. Oh, okay. But it's really well done. If you had to guess, how many Paranormal Activity movies have there been? Seven. There have been exactly seven.

This was the seventh and the last one to come along. Wow. And since then, haven't they done a reboot? So wouldn't there be eight? I don't think so. Oh, maybe that was insidious I'm thinking of a case paranormal activity next of kin

for my horror so that's yeah when is our land of bad pod the day she gives birth live stream we explain land of bad to Amanda

and her new child. He's a drone pilot. Okay, Amanda, you've got to pick. All right. I finally resolved my inner conflict in action horror thriller. I'm just going to take no time to die, which as I was rereading all the people who were in it, I was like, oh yeah, I liked this.

And I liked this. Again, the whole Rami Malek plot, I don't know what that was about. But I did like the opening. That's like 50% of the movie, right? The first 10 minutes. A large part of the end. What has happened? Oh, yeah.

They're in like a North Korean missile bunker. Right, right, right. And he's like, I need to find it. And Lea Seydoux is like, no. There's a lot of stuff with poison flowers, right? Oh, yeah. But, you I need to find it. And Lea Seydoux is like, no. There's a lot of stuff with poison flowers, right? Oh, yeah. But, you know, the beginning is good. Lea Seydoux looks great throughout. She's wonderful.

I like Christoph Waltz. I like Daniel Craig. You just pronounced Christoph Waltz like Jared Leto in House of Gucci. Christoph Waltz! Christoph Waltz! off-walls like Jared Leto in House of Gucci. That's a mouthful! That when I was watching it, it's amazing how Jeremy Irons literally is just being Jeremy Irons and then he'll just add like a, you know, A like on every fifth line, like the most, but he looks so beautiful in all the scarves. So it doesn't really matter.

I'm here, Jeremy Irons, and I brought with me my pasaporte. Remember when Jerry Irons was in the beekeeper? Yes. You think you'll draft the beekeeper in three years?

I think it'll be the last pod we ever do because Sean and I will beat the shit out of each other for the right to draft the beekeeper. Where is it in my

top 20 of the year so far? Is it in my top 20? I think it is. I think it is. I added it because I felt like I keep a best of running

best of that I keep private on Letterboxd. You guys can't see it but I added it is. I added it because I felt like I, you know, I keep a best of running best of that. I keep private on letterbox. You guys can't see it, but I added it like two months ago. Because I remembered how much, how much fun I had seeing it. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Bobby Wagner and I, we saw it together. Yeah. And the whole time I was hooting and hollering. I was like, this is just so fun. And then I think I might've told the story in the pod.

Went home, fired up Letterboxd to log it. And Bob had already logged it and gave it one star. Oh, yeah. And I was like, you goddamn son of a... How could you do this? I gave it three stars. I don't think Bobby appreciated the way it lionized the defense community. Yeah, I mean, if they finally told us about the Beekeeper Society,

we needed to know. Are they doing a sequel? And is Minnie Driver still alive in that universe to be a part of it? She is. I mean, she's still there. Yeah. I didn't see her

whole Table Manners episode, so I don't know if she's aware that she was in the Beekeeper. It felt like a real, like, pick up the phone and say this side and then you're done. Who did she throw under the bus

for his surfing etiquette? Diplo. Yeah. Oh, that's so good. Davidid aaron jason statham are at work on another film right now okay the name of that film is levon's trade okay what is his trade well you'll have to find out because this film was co-written by sylvester stallone wow do you think you'll name your child levon yes that's it's it. And he shall be Levon. Yeah, you predicted it. Congratulations. That's my favorite old John song.

Okay. It's John's turn. Yeah. I've got two picks. Well, I've got to take a blockbuster. And so, of course, I'm taking Venom, Let There Be Carnage, which I just thought was delightful. And it was directed by Andy Serkis,

chaotically at best. I really enjoyed everything he had to say on the podcast. He came on and he was just like the most energetic and charming person. Unrelated but related, I was looking at the for you on x.com today

and I was served a video of Andy Serkis on Stephen Colbert reading Donald Trump tweets in the Gollum voice. And it was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And he got up and he was standing on the chair. So he was like Gollum sized. You're not, you're not. I'm actually thinking about what was on my for you.

And it was Hawk to a Girl at the Mets because I watched that Salacana clip. And then Hawk to a Girl threw out the first pitch at a Mets game. Yeah. And they lost. And then she did a press conference after. Oh, I saw the press conference

and people were mad about the press conference. Let's see what's on my for you right now. Like all of these chaotic 48-year-old talk radio hosts in New York were like so scandalized by this. But then it also was revealed that she did it to raise money for, like, a dog shelter. And it's, like, her cause.

And she's, like, using her 15 minutes to save dogs. And I'm like, everybody just relax. Like, we don't have to moralize about the hawk to a girl anymore. Her thing has already been moralized, you know? Like, Chris is in a meaningful, committed relationship with her. It's great.

Like, there's no problem with everything that she's doing. In gotten a divorce and it was like i was like her name or hawk to orion and we just had a dog show mom dad this is my wife, Hawk Tua. By the way, when this episode comes out, that whole thing. Whatever happened with her, like whatever's come out since then, whatever she said. Whatever happened to the Mets.

She's either going to be in Kamala's cabinet or she's going to be like you know at Sing Sing you know she's been imprisoned for all of her crimes she seems like a nice person I have nothing to say about her

I wish you guys a lot of happiness together so Venom let there be carnage very normal pick there hey Hawk 2 have you seen Baron of the White

next to Kim you should be asking her have you seen Licorice pizza that's true the age difference is that what you're saying yeah

oh jeez you can negotiate the gap right no who do you think is going to protest the relationship I would take Phoebe's side

on that one did you just say happily married I'm happily married it's good let me clear that up I'm sure the listeners just say happily married? I'm happily married. It's good. Let me clear that up. I'm sure the listeners appreciate it.

In Wildcard, I'm taking Velvet Underground. Do you think the hot duke is an avid Big Big Chulsa? Probably. Probably a big fan. She's da-bob. You think she's ever heard one of your pods? I just laugh. I'm just, can you imagine if she was like,

God, I love this pod. It's a way for me to get away from it all. When I'm doing dishes, on a long walk, when I've got a road trip, there's nothing I like more than firing up the watch. I'm a real person and I have a real letterbox not just hawk to a girl you know

I love I love the French dispatch more of a sports car nonsense listener I would imagine oh god in wild card I'm taking you

Velvet Underground Todd Haynes' documentary right in my eyes cause you know I got that didn't I take that at an auction one year and then also named it

my best film of 2021 have you both cried this much in like decades I got that. I take that. I take that at auction one year and then also named it my best film. Have you both cried this much in like decades? Yeah. Cause I watched father of the bride while pregnant recently, but you know, this is number two. What happens at the end of that movie? She calls him the airport.

Like you, like you wouldn't cry. Now, if you watch the same, she's like, Hey dad, just want to tell you that I love you. Oh, and he's in the perfect house. And yeah.

I only cried this year at the movie Imaginary about the little girl named Alice with her imaginary doll. Chauncey! You're not my friend! It's really important that we have this document of you finally losing the thread. Which Amanda has committed to memory she's quoting it openly six months

you did yeah okay wait so Sean you drafted Velvet Underground and Velvet Underground do you want to speak on it?

it's a a brilliant reinvention of the music documentary form Todd Haynes takes it apart and puts it back together gets some people to participate who are members of the band

and a lot of people who are in the surrounding worlds obviously that's the band that everyone says launched a thousand bands Amy Talbin Amy Talbin talking about her cool life

in the 60s and being I'm not afraid to say it frankly incredibly hot and that was jarring to learn but it's just a very dynamic movie where

you can see like a lot of the handmade gestures that Higgins is deploying to put you back into that time period. It's incredible. It's super cool.

The dueling frames of like the Kale side and the Reed side. Yeah it's like you get an image of Chauncey. I was just imagining all the little signs I'm going to put on

your lawn when you marry off to a girl in protest. Like a ton of little signs. All the Phoebe signs. Never a little SPV persistent. And honestly, that's contagious. it's my pick and i was gonna like i was in the middle of of dapping him up john kate kitten kale and blue reed in the two ways of approaching art do you think hawk to a saw is a velvet art. Do you think Hawk Tua saw the Velvet Under Undock? Do you think she thought it was like a meaningful representation of their story? Okay.

I mean, I don't even know. I was going to do a whole big emotional speech about Come On, Come On, which is my wild card, which is a wonderful, wonderful Mikes movie uh starring joaquin phoenix um who plays the uncle of a young kid and whose parents are going through it and so joaquin and the young kid you know form a form a bond um and i think i saw this movie like maybe a month after i found out that we were having nox and it just like absolutely bowled me over and bowled zach over as well like we saw it together um but it's beautiful i kind of also went under the radar it really did i think you know it's a

movie that played in theaters and it's actually before A24 had a distribution deal with HBO they were still a showtime and I wonder if this movie went to HBO if it would have had a chance to have more of a life because I do feel like it's a little bit forgotten

a little bit cast aside anyway I love it and that's it that's all the earnest things I have to say okay Chris you've got your final pick I'm taking card counter That's it. That's all the earnest things I have to say. Okay.

Chris, you've got your final pick. I'm taking Card Counter. We saw this together. That was pretty sick. It's a great movie. Yeah. This was a good movie year. This is a really good... This movie is awesome.

Oscar Isaac as a... Did you relate more to Oscar Isaac's character or Ty Sheridan's character in this movie? I more of Tiffany Haddish's character. I see. Yeah. Cool.

Tiffany Haddish was in a Paul Schrader movie. That's pretty cool. Wouldn't say she was the best part of the movie. No. But yeah, I had a bunch of others, but this is probably my next favorite one. Do you think it was an accurate representation of Abu Ghraib? No, but I was going to ask you whether or not it changed your relationship to poker.

No. I think there's something chillingly accurate about... Did he play poker or blackjack in this? I think he does a bit of gambling. It's mostly poker. Okay. And it was poker that got him interested in writing this story. But you know, the locked down, nobody talked to me.

I don't know how to relate to anybody. All those sheets on his furniture and then he tortures people and then he plays poker. That's what I do every time I come in to record with Amanda. Just cover all the furniture as best as possible just to avoid the tear stains. What's up now? You can still see the tear streaks.

I didn't know you're such an emotional guy. I'm not. That's why I'm laughing about Hawk to a girl. I'm on my third pod of the day. Me too. So I'm on my second. How do you think we got here? That's a good point.

Should we always record these later in the day after multiple pods? Should we recap? Yeah. Chris, you want to go first? Sure. In drama,

I took No Sudden Move. In comedy, I took House of Gucci. In Oscar nominee, I took Nightmare Alley. In comedy, I took House of Gucci. In Oscar nominee, I took Nightmare Alley. In horror, action, thriller,

I took Paranormal Activity, colon, Next of Kin. Remarkable pick. Blockbuster, I took Dune, wildcard, I took Card Counter.

Amanda, you want to recap? Sure. In drama, I took The Souvenir Part 2. In comedy, I took Shiva Baby. In Oscar nominee, I took The Lost Daughter.

In action horror thriller, after much debate, I took No Time to Die. In blockbuster, I took a Spider-Man movie, No Way Home. And in wildcard, I took Come On, Come On. In drama, I took The Worst Person in the World. In comedy, I took Liquorice Pizza. In Oscar nominee, I took West Side Story. In action horror thriller, I took The Worst Person in the World. In Comedy, I took Liquorice Pizza. In Oscar Nominee, I took West Side Story. In Action Horror Thriller, I took Malignant. In Blockbuster, I took Venom, Let There Be Carnage, normal pick.

In Wild Card, I took Velvet Underground, the documentary. Do you feel... I just met you. Me and Hulk do a cross Christmas story. We're just like, see you at the movies but you're both holding Smirnoff ices in your hand cheers to you on another

wonderful year much change in the Ryan household no I'm kidding and I also don't want to be disrespectful she's obviously she's doing great things. Yeah, bright, independent lady. Yeah.

Do you think she's a role model? Like I said, we have no knowledge of anything that has happened from this date until December, whatever. Yeah. I think she's literally like in the Department of Transportation in the White House right now. This would be the all-time episode topper you have to do. You guys,

you didn't want to delete the last 29 minutes of the pod with some references to recently deported world-class criminal Haktua who has been sent back to Bogota after many years of infiltrating the US government by a viral sensation. That was pretty good. I think I'm ready for it. Yeah.

Weird pod. I don't know what else to say. I hope you and your family are doing well at this moment in time. I don't know why you needed to say it so threateningly. My Christmas party is this weekend. I was going to ask you about that. Will you be doing it?

I'm going to try. You're just a maniac. Well, so here's the thing. I literally was thinking about this this weekend. Well, I know, but people are thinking about it. I know. And I had another friend who, like, two months ago was like, which weekend do you think it's going to be?

Because I, like, want to plan travel around it. And I was really moved by that. This is why I was thinking about it. I was like, will I be home for the Baron Dobbins Christmas party? I mean, I hope so. If it's this week, I mean. Well, okay. Oh, because you guys are going to go early?

I lead a very interesting life and I'll tell you more about it. Yeah. But one, throwing a party with a child under three months. God bless. Two, putting this on the pod. Yeah. throwing a party with a child under three months God bless two putting this on the pod yeah you know

this show has roughly 180 million listeners there's like a lot of people roughly yeah who might want who might want to who might think that they should have been invited

to previous parties like you have now just revealed that you throw a party we've talked about the party before it's this it's you know do you think you would invite both Phoebe and Hawk to a party to a party. We've talked about the party before. Do you think you would invite both Phoebe and Hawk to a girl?

Or is that going to be weird? I'm on the record. Phoebe brings the cookies. So we can't have the party without the cookies. I don't know what Hawk 2 is bringing. I can think of one thing. Okay. Well, Amanda, thanks thanks thanks for your efforts here on the pod chris very good job by you as well um is this the last pod of the year uh no it's the last

pod ever coincidentally jesus i'd like to thank alayas and eris and jack sanders for sitting there um and enduring this I can't tell I couldn't really see Alea's face or Jack's face because of the equipment but it was

there was a lot of something happening over there they were either happy or sad they've alerted Phoebe of all the contents of this conversation I'd like to thank

Bobby Wagner our producer for his work on this episode we'll see let's see what I've I have it up what have I plotted don't worry it's a Lord of the I have it up. Yeah, I have it up. So the next one,

don't worry, it's a Lord of the Rings movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but you're not on it. Oh, the animated one? The War of The Rohirrim. Yeah.

So who are they? Horse guys. They're the horse lords. Okay. Yeah, they appear in the original trilogy. The problem with this is that even though it's animated,

Sean and I, every Christmas, there's a Hobbit movie out. We go see it. Yep. So what will you do now and then we ice each other I don't know

am I on it no you're not the next one that you're on is honestly start the countdown it's Nosferatu oh yeah

not my Dracula will you be protesting Nosferatu no that's my Dracula that is your Dracula Chris and I he's not Dracula

have both been he's the inspiration for it, though. Okay. Have been written off the Complete Unknown podcast for daring to open our hearts. Who has been written off of it? Both Chris and I. Would you want to be on it? A Complete Unknown?

Yeah. Listen, I'm the only living person who likes to walk the line. The person who shouldn't be on it is me. Yeah, well, we know. Let's see how it goes. More and more people are asking me about A Complete Unknown. Okay. who shouldn't be on it is me. Yeah, well, we know. Let's see how it goes. More and more people are asking me about A Complete Unknown.

Okay. They're coming up to me and they're saying, thank you for your good works. What do you think of this Bob Dylan movie? And increasingly, can I tell you something?

I've actually been getting Alice to listen to Bob Dylan for real and she's like, we listen to dad music now. So like we used to dance to princess songs and now she's like, would you please play

Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands? And then she tries to dance to it, but she can't really dance to that. Yeah. But I think that's like the first thing I've been like, I'm going to incept this. And it worked. We'll see how long it lasts. That's beautiful. So maybe she should be on the podcast.

Yeah. That would be actually really funny. I honestly think that Alice would give a great review. Okay. Well, Chris, you're welcome to any episode here if you want but i know you have a heavy load heavy burden that you carry because you're also alimony for your ex-wife and then haktu is lifestyle and she's come to appreciate nice things so it's a lot to ask your joint sponsorshipships that you've landed together. The thing is, she's anti-fast fashion.

Okay. It's just Gucci and Prada for her. No, it's like really quality vintage purchases. Oh, okay. What does that mean? Like you're taking her secondhand stores? She has a secondhand? I'm taking her Beacon's Clos closet and like anything you want under $200.

All right. Well, thanks everybody for checking out this episode. Thank you.