The Big Picture - The 2022 Movie Star Ranking: 35 Under 35, Revisited

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

More than 20 months ago, Sean and Amanda embarked on their first-ever Movie Star Ranking. It's become a yearly tradition, and with the streaming release of two under-35 star-led vehicles, Harry Styles's 'My Policeman' and Jennifer Lawrence's 'Causeway,' we're running it back. Who's up, who's down, who's aged out, and who's hitting the scene hard? Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about movie stars. More than 20 months ago, we embarked on our first ever movie star ranking. It was a widely celebrated and confirmed in the court to be 100% accurate.

A year later, we revised our list in light of the release of Dear Evan Hansen. The less said about that, the better. Last week, we saw the streaming release

of two under 35 star-led vehicles. The first, Harry Styles' My Policeman, is available on Amazon Prime. And Jennifer Lawrence's Causeway is on Apple TV+. So we're running it back. Who's up? Who's down? Who's aged out? And who's hitting the scene hard? I'm really aged out, Amanda.

I'm not eligible for this list by a long shot. It's tough. I never made the cut. I feel further and further away from it every year because I am. I want to remind everyone that I would have been eligible for the first list where I movie star. Oh, yeah. That's wonderful. I guess that's true. That's right. You were not as kind about this at the time. You were right on the knife's edge of eligibility. Yeah, and I was like, what about me? And you know what it was? It was because you had to be under 35, and I believe I was 35 at the time of recording. So I was kind of advocating for my peers and you denied my peers

and also me a spot on the list. But I was thinking about how I think the true measure of a movie star, at least for this list, is when I Google someone's age and I'm just like, holy shit, I did not realize you were that young. And because there is something like larger than life about that's their presence or that kind of

transcends their just general, you know, 23 year oldness. I don't mean to dismiss 23 year olds either. Bobby or however old Bobby is. Bobby, you're doing great. And we support you. Yeah. I'm no longer 23. I am 26. That's pretty good. Which is very different than 23. Very, you're doing great. Thank you. And we support you. I'm no longer 23. I am 26. That's pretty good. Which is very different than 23. Very, very different. So were you 23 when we started doing this exercise? Maybe 24. Yeah, I think I was 24 still. But I was 22 when I started producing the podcast.

So let that soak in. That is absolutely bonkers. Yeah, that's very sad. I will say, doing this exercise again and kind of going through the list and making a long list of all the new and exciting young movie stars. And frankly, there are a lot. This feels a lot less grim than it did a couple of years ago to me. I did have a little bit of that feeling of like grandpa heading down to the meat market.

You know, like it was a little like this is kind of gross that I'm doing this. Like I want to have fun with it, but I don't want to be too objectifying or weird about this because I'm like, I'm 40. I got a kid. It's not. This is just a game we're playing. We're just having fun with this. It was the first time I was like, is this a bad idea? Is this not what I should be doing?

I want to remind everyone that this is a thing that we made up during the pandemic. We were in our houses, in the kitchen, in my case, just making stuff up. And you and I brought our personal rigor and list-making sensibilities to it, but it was also totally made up. And I don't think it was received that way. People thought that we were being serious, and then somehow we have become more serious about it we we made another one last year that was kind of in conversation with the first one and in conversation with our level of seriousnessness and then afterwards rachel zegler um she of west side story and also every upcoming disney movie that you've ever heard of uh tweeted it

out seriously or maybe not seriously. I don't know. Rachel, if you're listening, great news. You made this year's list and it was not just because you tweeted about it. And thank you and we wish you well. And I thought you were very good in West Side Story, by the way. We did not set any bear traps for social media active stars, though. I just want to say that that is not how we know a lot of places when they do stuff like this frequently will be like well this person's very active on ig and they're definitely going to see this so we're going to tag them so that so that they retweet it or whatever we did not do that it is now somewhere between joke and serious i think

like there were a couple times when we were negotiating the list where i was like this is wrong and we will go to court if we don't get this right. And then there were other times where I was like, it's funny that we made this person number 13. So, you know, take it as it comes. Yes, there are moments of personal flair on this. And I also, just to pull back the curtain, the way that this gets done is that Sean and I just kind of make a list

and look at people's ages on Wikipedia. And then over the course of a weekend, just like leave increasingly hostile Google Doc comments to each other. And then, and it's a real like tag, you're it in that, like I text Sean being like, okay, it's your turn. And then like Sean writes back like, okay, it's your turn. I would say most of the comments are left either like the 1 to 3 p.m. nap hour or after 10 p.m. So once again, there's a lot of knowledge and craft and art that goes into this list. And also we're just two weirdos yelling at each other in the comments of our own document.

So that's what we bring to you here at The Big Picture. That's a good summary. Yes. Uncontrolled mania colliding with an over-articulation of stupid ideas. Can we talk about just a couple of these new releases here quickly? Did you get a chance to check these out? Oh, these movies? I did.

I watched both of them. Except you're going to have to tell me how one ends or maybe you won't. Okay. I don't think I should tell anybody how any of these movies end. But they should watch them. Okay. so let's talk about causeway first causeway is a movie that on the in on the big picture we've actually been talking about quite a bit because it was selected in an auction some time ago formerly known as red white and water uh it's directed by lila nougat bauer who is a quite celebrated uh broadway director this is her

first feature film it's an A24 movie and it stars Jennifer Lawrence. It's her first movie in a while. She hadn't taken on a lot of parts recently and she's been going through a kind of, I guess, a revival or a revisiting of what her stardom means. There's a big feature about her in the New York Times. A reset. A reset. A self-imposed reset, I would say. I think it's fair to say that her career got a little, as she put it, out of her grasp, and she's attempting to, I think, maybe focus on more character-driven parts or more meaningful roles.

In this movie, she plays Lindsay, a U.S. soldier who experiences a traumatic brain injury during her tour in Afghanistan, which forces her to return home. She struggles to return to her daily life with her mother as she waits for her eventual redeployment. It's a very quiet very uh thoughtful very delicate movie very delicate performance i thought this was the best jennifer

lawrence has been in a movie in a long long time um and you know it's it is a very understated film uh that is very reliant on her performance and her relationship to brian tyree henry's character who plays a man who's uh lost his leg i think they're in New Orleans is where the film is set. Correct. And I liked it. I actually liked it a lot more than I thought I would. I've been historically not the biggest Jennifer Lawrence fan. I think she's a little over-reliant as a performer on her kind of like natural wild horse charisma and not as like doesn't work as hard as an actor. And this felt like the opposite in a way. This felt like a very, very considered piece of acting. And I was pleasantly surprised. What do you think?

I'm glad to hear you say that because she's fantastic. She's really good. And my experience of watching this film just 15 minutes in, watching her really grounded, subtle, natural, but still charismatic and just holding the frame. And I just said out loud to my husband, I was like, oh yeah, I forgot. She's amazing. She's so good at this. Brian Tidey Henry is also wonderful and one of my favorite actors of his generation. And so to watch them be together for, it's a 90 minute film. As said it's quiet but i like spending time with those two people and it is primarily about their performances but their performances are very good yeah there's not like a whole lot more to say about it i think if you like them and like being with them you will probably like this movie i think it's it's quite thoughtful about um what

it means to effectively like about ptsd about both like the very physical aspects of that and the psychological aspects of that. There've been a lot of films about this subject matter in the past, very rarely with female protagonists. And I just, I hope she leans into this and kind of like continues to develop as a performer because I think you're right.

Like there's no question about it. She's one of the very, very, very few people on earth who can hold the middle of a movie together. So I would recommend it. I liked it. My Policeman. This is the other movie that we're talking about. It stars Harry Styles.

It's directed by Michael Grandage. It's based on the novel My Policeman by Bethan Roberts. And it also stars Emma Corrin and Gina McKee, Linus Roach, David Dawson, and Rupert Everett. It's a sort of modern day slash flashback film. It has sort of a parallel structure. It's about two young men, a policeman and a museum curator, who meet and form a friendship and then eventually a love affair happening simultaneous to that.

The policeman, played by Harry Styles, falls in love with a school teacher. And so it becomes this kind of love triangle, kind story of repression and um and gay love in the 1960s and i'll say this for it harry styles i thought was much better in this movie than it was in don't worry darling i thought he was pretty good actually and i think the film itself you know when adam namen came on to talk after toronto he pointed out that this is a movie that maybe would have been a little bit more provocative or emotionally arresting in like 1996. You know, that it feels like a little bit kind of dated in terms of framing this kind of story.

Not that this kind of story isn't important. It just feels like a story we've seen before. But I will say it required like a kind of subtlety in the acting that I never would have guessed Stiles could have pulled off based on what we'd seen from him previously. So I thought it was solid, not terrible. This is the one you didn't finish. Correct. But that's not because of the quality. I just ran out of time. I don't know. We had 35 people. I was like Googling a lot of things. It was AFI this weekend. That was

just on me. And I was watching it on Amazon. I thought he was good. He was fine. I don't mean to sound perverted, but in terms of the text of this movie, it's important. The sex scenes were pretty good. Yeah, yeah. And compelling. And he was very good in them.

Yes, exactly. Which is the point of the film in a lot of ways. So I was still kind of respectful. So I was impressed by that. Emma Corrin, I know primarily from being Princess Diana in The Crown. She doesn't get a lot to do here in at least what I saw. And I thought she was very good as Diana in The Crown. So kind of a thankless role.

It was fine. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. It's like a it's a BB minus. It's not a total disaster. And Harry Styles' performance is not a total disaster,

unlike some other films that are now available on streaming. That's right. Emma Corrin's interesting. She didn't make our list this year, although I wonder if a year from now, for example, she does. She's the star of the forthcoming Lady Chatterley's Lover adaptation. Speaking of sex scenes. That's right.

Maybe she's developing an oeuvre. She's very talented. I did not watch her entire two seasons. Was she two seasons of The Crown or just one? Just one. Okay. And then the new season with Diana starts on Wednesday. And who's playing Diana in the new season? Oh, Elizabeth DeBecky. Yeah. Maybe I should watch that. Yeah. Sheesh. Elizabeth DeBecky didn't make our list either. Are people going to be mad about that? Well, possibly. How much of this conversation that we're about to have here should be about how mad people are going to be versus what we truly believe in our hearts? That's a little chicken and the egg because at some point we're making this to piss people off a little bit, right?

You said that, not me. I don't want to piss anybody off. I would like to provoke thought. That's such a lie. That's what we're doing. If you're listening to this, please know that you're being prodded. That is part of the experience of making a list in 2022. That is what the content creators want out of you. If you want to engage, we appreciate that because that's why we're doing this. If you want to rise above and, you know, go outside and pursue your hobbies and loved ones,

everyone knows that I always support that. But yeah, of course, we're trying to piss people off a little bit. Bob, how do you feel about being asked to participate in this cynical exercise? You feel good about it? I feel great. What are podcasts, if not cynical exercises,

to participate in? Wow. I'm just a desiccated husk of creativity. Once upon a time, I used to think, I'm going to have it all. I think this is very creative. I think this is incredibly creative. Yeah, it's hard. 35 is a really long list. There's a reason that it's always like top 11 or like top 14. But this is why I ran out of time. It was a lot. And frankly, we have a lot of cuts and some cuts I can't even really strongly justify. But nevertheless, let's get into our list. When we first made this list a couple of years ago, we talked about the idea that even in a Netflix

world that stars still matter. And we were entering perhaps the most fallow period in moviegoing history at the start of the pandemic. And so it felt a little more challenging, actually. This year, I found that there were more contenders than I had expected. Some of that is because some stars were able to kind of grow in a streaming universe and then vault their way into the movies. There's just more movies being released now than there was two years ago. So that's a factor. And I will say there's like, there are a bunch of people on our list this year that are 34 years old that will never, that will not be back next year. And there are also a bunch of people that are like 24, 25, 26. I kind of felt,

I walked away feeling like the future is bright. You know, like there is actually a lot of promise and some of that is just because of a handful of films that have been released who really centered a couple of exciting new folks or folks who were asked to become movie stars. Let's go through some of the facts of this. Just as a reminder, the framework that we use that is completely invented is that this is 50% what you've done so far, 25% what's next, and 25% what you could be. Now, is that an actual scientific equation? It's not. Frankly, this is a deeply emotional exercise, and it's just based on whatever is in my heart at the time and your heart at the time. That's true. Who are the biggest losers of this exercise? Who's not here

from last year? Miles Teller, aged out. Aged out. Yeah. Definitely would have been near the top after Top Gun. Absolutely, yes. Cynthia Erivo, aged out. Yep. Michael B. Jordan, aged out. Fascinating. Yeah. I would not have guessed that he's 36 years old, but he is. He's 36 and not 35 so yeah okay wow um yeah i guess that makes sense because he's had two birth whatever it doesn't matter no are we sure maybe he's only 35 i think he's only 35 he has the same birthday as my son which i learned when googling his uh birth date in order to determine his eligibility for this two heroes heroes of Philadelphia. Yeah, that is true. Passing the torch. Okay.

Also aged out, Blake Lively, Mackenzie Davis. Yeah. I don't know that either one of those would have made the cut, but I like them both. So we did cut some critical members of the list this year. Actually, I feel like we cut eight people. Did we cut eight people? I might have missed someone who we've cut.

But anyway, I'm going to go through the list of the people that we've cut. This doesn't mean these people are bad. It doesn't mean they failed. It doesn't mean their careers are over. It just means that due to timing or relevance or a series of emotional decisions, they're gone. Caitlin Dever got a lot of love for Ticket to Paradise. Holding on strong. Only dipped like 14% at the box office. Did you see that? Yeah. If you make the movie, if you build it, the moms will come. That's right. They did not come, though, for Caitlin Beaver. They came for George Clooney and Julia Roberts. So as much as I like her and I think she has a great career,

she's kind of as much a TV star, I think, at this point, between dope sick and unbelievable. And she's put a lot of her work there. Joey King. Now, Joey King was one of the stars of one of the more successful films of 2022, Bullet Train, but that movie stinks. Yeah, and respectfully, I didn't enjoy her performance in it.

Yeah, I think she was slightly miscast. Yes, I think she's talented, but I think she was asked to do something she's not yet ready to do. Anthony Ramos. We haven't seen him in a while. He hasn't done really a film since In the Heights. He's going to be the star of the forthcoming Transformers movie. Maybe he'll be back next

year. Who knows? Will you watch the Transformers movie? I think it's like the way of the beast. Sure. What's up in the Transformers universe? I'm dead serious when I tell you this. I believe that this is the long-awaited collision of Beast Wars and Transformers. Beast Wars was kind of like a rival toy. You know about this, Bob? I'm out, bro. You said the long-awaited collision. I'm out.

Long-awaited collision, immediately brain off. I can't say I know anything about Beast Wars. I read that in a Deadline.com story. Beanie Feldstein. She spent 2022 on the stage. She's left the stage

somewhat ignominiously. I don't think she even has a film lined up at the moment although she is filming that uh merrily we go along 10 year journey with richard link later um so i think that that's her only film project of note at the moment sorry to be me yeah uh aquafina she has been working but i think actually oddly being this the sort of like fourth lead of-Chi hurt her more than it helped her. You know, like she's done the comic supporting best pal role a couple of times now, and she runs the risk of getting into like Kathy Najimy territory. You know, like there's a little bit of like she's so good in The Farewell. I'd love to see her take on more parts like that.

I know it's not necessarily up to her to get a part like that, but she just hasn't been at the center of movies for a while. She's also been doing some TV. She has. Jodie Comer. Now, something happened here that she left Napoleon, Ridley Scott's new film, and she was replaced by someone who's on our list. Yes. And I think, I contend that if she were still... Of course. Is it Josephine? Who is she playing? Yes. Josephine in Napoleon. She would have been pretty high. Correct. But she doesn't have any films planned,

I don't believe. And she hasn't done, made a movie this year, even though she had two movies in The Last Duel and Free Guy in 2021. So she's off the list. Controversial one. Elizabeth Olsen.

Well, Sean? This is a spoiler alert for those of you who have not seen Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. If you have seen it, thank you for supporting Sam Raimi. It's unclear if Elizabeth Olsen died at the end of that film. Her character, Wanda Maximoff.

Remember that? She's a Sokovian. No, I don't remember any of that. I know that she was on the Bewitched-esque show for a while. And she was exploring grief. Did you see Multiverse of Madness? No, I didn't. I listened to your podcast about it, but that's why I had to text you.

And I asked you, did Wanda die? Or is Wanda alive in the MCU right now? And I asked you to please only answer yes or no, and you could not meet that request. So I gently tried to agree to it, but here I'm going to give you more detail. At the end of Multiverse of Madness, there's sort of an explosion in this cave of worship

that she's been occupying. And when the explosion happens, we see a red light that indicates that her energy still exists. Is that exciting to you? No. Okay, I just put that on a tee for you. A couple of people in the pipeline

who we didn't include, but who I'm like, goddamn, these people are right on the edge. It's just, it's gonna happen next year. It's gonna happen. And we have this every single time where you can see the credits, but the movies just haven't been released yet.

And we're, this list is based on what we've seen more than what's to come. First person on that list is Naomi Ackie. Now, in six weeks, we might feel differently about this one. She's going to be playing Whitney Houston in I Want to Dance with Somebody.

Haven't really heard anything about this. I don't know anybody who's seen this movie. It comes out at the very end of this year. It looks like a pretty standard biopic, but if she transforms into Whitney Houston that will mean a lot she's also the star of Zoe Kravitz's forthcoming directorial debut

which is called Pussy Island do you think that title is going to stick? do you think they're going to put a movie out called Pussy Island? I'm not really sure but those are two pretty big parts and now previous to that she appeared in Small Axe and she was also Janna in The Rise of Skywalker the last Star Wars film

and it seemed like if that movie was not a bungled situation they were trying to set that character up for something like create an arc for her of some kind

I don't know if you remember her I don't remember that character I just remember she was like a rebel leader and she was aligned with Boyega and she had like a pretty

satisfying arc in the movie honestly and she's a she's a very charismatic person too so there was a part of me when we were making this I was like

I really feel like this is a person that Hollywood has sunk its teeth into but she doesn't quite yet have the stuff to communicate it it's just because

we're doing this in November and not at the end of December you know you're right next person so you may recall

earlier this year when we were watching the Academy Awards, I was mocking the idea of saying that Jacob Elordi would be one of the presenters, that that was like the Academy's pitch to Gen Z to tune in. Jacob Elord was about three times as tall as she was. It was very cute. And then I think that's when I learned that he was Australian, or he is Australian, as did many other people, I believe. Yet another in a long line of American passing, tall, handsome men with brown hair. Yeah. Shortly thereafter, he appeared in Deep Water. Yes. As Charlie Delisle, the hotel piano player. One of the weirder parts. But here's the thing.

He's Nate Jacobs on Euphoria, which is one of the most popular shows on TV, if not the most popular behind House of the Dragon. Coming up, he's going to be in Saltburn, which is the new Emerald Fennell movie. And he's also going to be in Priscilla playing Elvis in the new Sofia Coppola movie, among other roles. So that mockery is probably overstated. Yeah. Yeah. He might actually

be a big star. No, he will be. I mean, he was in Deepwater for all of 12 minutes and I was like, oh, I get it. He grabs it. Yeah. He grabs it. Nate is such an unlikable, brutal character in Euphoria that it's fascinating that that's like his breakthrough. He's also in The Kissing Booth, which we're kind of underrating. Like he's in The Kissing Booth series of films. Those are very big among an audience that is younger than us.

But he didn't make the cut this year. Tusu Mbedu, who you had originally put on the list, who I said, I don't think she's quite ready because this is really her only significant film role yet. But she is the younger lead

of The Woman King. Sidebar, I is the younger lead of The Woman King. Sidebar, I'm fascinated to see if The Woman King makes Best Picture because it kind of, if it wasn't, if it was a different time, if it was 1996, it would be. And I'm curious if a movie like that,

like The Last Duel is another example of that movie. Like when we saw it, we were like, oh, I don't know, a lot of movies like this tend to get nominated for Best Picture, and then it got its doors blown off,

and it had no chance to contend. Woman King, it's got a lot of the pieces. And it's more crowd-pleasing, honestly, than Last Duel. Last Duel is just a real downer. I could see it happen. The marketing campaign behind it doesn't seem to have kicked off yet.

The awards campaign. Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's a tricky one, but I hope it contends, see it happen the marketing campaign behind it doesn't seem to have kicked off yet the awards campaign yeah i agree i agree it's a it's a tricky one but i i hope it contends because it's it would be really good for the mix you know because that's like you said a crowd-pleasing like a it's a moviegoers movie yes um amanda stenberg i really wavered on this did you end up seeing bodies bodies bodies no i thought she was very very in this. I know that movie is divisive. I liked it, I think, a lot more than most people. But she is the heartbeat of the movie. And I liked her in Dear Evan Hansen, which I didn't think her character was good,

but I thought she was good. The hate you give, she was very good in. She's been around for a long time. She's a teen actor. I could definitely see her being someone who leads a movie every year. It doesn't seem like she's quite there. Bodies, Bodies, Bodies wasn't as big as I think A24 wanted it to be.

Sydney Sweeney. It's the other half of the Euphoria thing. She has 45 movies lined up, but they aren't out yet. Yeah. Object of affection. Yes. Here at The Ringer. Right.

Although with some political intrigue and complexity. Oh, yes, that's right. I forgot about her mom's birthday party. Not ideal. Listen, she was just trying to throw her mom a nice birthday party, okay?

Yes, she was, and she did. Mike Feist, you remember him? I do, he was fantastic. Yeah, this is another, this movie that he, it's Mike Feist, Josh O'Connor, and Zendaya, right?

Challengers. Yes. Luca Guadagnino's next film. About tennis. About tennis. I don't know how... Do we have confirmation that it's not tennis body horror? Is it normal tennis?

Or is it Luca just getting weird? I'll read you the logline of the film. The wife and coach of a famed tennis player in the middle of a losing streak signs him up for a, quote, challenger event where they discover he will compete against her former lover.

This might be my new perfect movie. The movie I couldn't believe, didn't dare to dream, could be possible. August 11th, 2023. I talked to Luca for the show a couple of weeks ago and he was so excited about it. He was so proud of talked to Luca for the show a couple of weeks ago and he was so

excited about it. He was so proud of it and excited for the world to see it. I guess they finished shooting already. August? August, 2023. Why? Not a good sign. No. I don't know. Maybe they'll move it? Are you gonna watch Bones and All? Yes, because you put it on the spreadsheet. So I have to drive across the city in a couple weeks. It's gonna be a sick pod. I can't wait. I'm really excited about that. Cool. I don't really have a good reason for why we cut these next three people, but I'm just going to say their names.

Okay. I actually feel kind of bad about it. And I feel like we fucked up, but we can go through it. Okay. Bill Skarsgård. Yeah. One of the stars of Barbarian, which is one of the sneaky breakout hits of the year, who of course is Pennywise the Clown in the two huge It films, and is going to be Nosferatu, more than likely, in the Robert Eggers version

of Nosferatu. Okay, well, that's not out yet. That's not out yet. Number two, you had the opportunity to put him on the list. Where do you want to put him? I don't know. Number three, I think I forgot to tell you that when we were walking home from trick-or-treating after you guys left, we walked down the street to my house, and someone had done a, what's the clown's name? Pennywise. A Pennywise like in the gutter in front of their house. Oh, amazing. It was the most terrifying thing that I've ever seen.

I actually like shrieked and pushed the stroller away. And then Chris and Phoebe just like went over and like took pictures with it. Oh, I got to see those. Yeah, it was really good. That neighborhood we trick-or-treated in was fucking awesome. Yeah. That was so great. That was my dream.

You were so happy. It was like the opposite of the post-screening thing. You hit every house for candy. You were just like smiling. It was really nice. It was very sweet. I love Halloween. I love that my daughter was dressed up.

I love that neighborhood. The whole thing. People were playing music. It was like one of those drive-up DJ trucks, and they were only playing 90s hip-hop to celebrate Halloween I was like, am I like in the middle of like a stunt? Is this like inverted punked where it was like just good for me? There were like bubbles that turned into smoke, which was technology. I didn't know we had it. That's incredible. That was one of the best days of my year. Yeah, it was really fun. Daisy Edgar Jones. Did you see where the crawdads? I haven't

seen. Yeah. So you you say that you feel bad and you say that we got it wrong, but you didn't even see the damn movie. It's been on my watch list all year. I have possibly never seen anyone more miscast than Daisy Edgar Jones in Where the Crawdads Sing. And that doesn't mean that I think she's a bad actress or that she doesn't have a future. She's incredible in Normal People. She's wonderful in Normal People. Whatever happened there was not working. Here's the thing, Where the Credits Sing was a hit, like a genuine hit. Yeah, that is fascinating and I would love to do like a mom's pod about it sometime when you actually see it. When we do our movies we missed

this year pod, I'll watch it and we can talk about it there. But do you know the backstory and the reason it's so successful? It's wild stuff. I do know there's a lot of controversy around the author, but maybe we should table that till we talk about the movie itself. Is that fair? Yes, we will because it's fascinating. It's part of the story. I had a great time seeing this film that I think is not good

and that I think that she is not good in. I did think she was very good in Fresh as well, which was like a not totally successful kind of horror satire that premiered at Sundance. And you can watch on Hulu right now with Sebastian Stan as well. But she's good. And that's two movies that she was in the middle of this year

that I think Fresh was considered kind of a hit for Hulu. And this movie did like $150 million at the box office. So I just want to put it out there that like, I don't, there's some people on our list where I'm like, kind of a hit for Hulu and this movie did like $150 million at the box office. So, I just want to put it out there that like, I don't, there's some people on our list

where I'm like, we're really hoping it happens for this person that has never led a movie before and Daisy Edgar Jones led a hit movie. Anyway, I'm done talking.

I haven't seen that movie. Margaret Qualley. I told you to find a spot for her. So, I might have to bump somebody off mid-conversation. That's fine.

Because, you know how I feel about her? I think she's taking on really interesting work right now. She's one of the only actresses on this list who I'm like she would have crushed in the 70s. She would have been right in that like Shelley Duvall, Karen Black, Sissy Spacek, like tall, wiry, beautiful, like ethereal. Is she like out of it or just really smart but not paying attention to anybody. She's got like an energy that is very, very appealing and she's got good taste. So,

maybe we'll find a spot for Margaret. There are a lot of other people that we didn't include. I probably shouldn't, we shouldn't go through all of these right now but maybe we'll post them online

because that'll spoil it. Okay. So, one by the numbers thing. We've got 11 new people on our list this year. I'm not going to share the biggest risers and fallers until the end of this conversation. Please remind me to do so.

Okay. You ready to dive into the list? Yes. Okay. Do you want to do number 35? Yeah. So this is a funny one. Just a free content making tip to anyone out there.

When you make a list, you got to start with something funny. And you're usually going from lowest to highest. We're doing this the right way. People who start with one should be sent to the Hague. Exactly. I hate that. So we're starting with 35, but you got to grab people's attention. And historically, we've used 35 for a drippy white guy, as I recall, who's not going to be on the list next year. So I'm pleased to announce that this year's number 35 is Harry Styles wow congratulations 28 years old yeah his cd is not the worst I've ever seen no Dunkirk Eternals Don't Worry Darling My Policeman low-key Don't Worry Darling was kind of a hit like it did pretty well because of him

yeah and because he has a built-in fan base who uh hopefully isn't listening to this podcast or else they're going to be mad at me i i have to tell you every single clip i have seen of a harry styles concert looks like the most fun anyone's ever had in their life i know people who have gone to the harry styles concert and had you know a quasi-religious experience i absolutely get the appeal the charisma and he clearly can get people to watch a movie, which is more than you can say for a lot of people. He doesn't have a lot lined up anytime soon, which is probably the reason he won't be on it next year, but he made it. It's tricky because he appeared in the MCU at the end, in the stinger of Eternals, which I think by many people is widely considered the worst MCU movie.

I certainly didn't like it. He appears as Eros, who's also known as Star Fox, who's kind of, I don't know if an important character, but he has a character with an arc in Marvel. And they got Harry to do it. So you'd think that they would try to leverage that in the future, but he's not been announced for any other movies. So I don't even know if he'll act again. It doesn't seem like the Don't Worry Darling thing went over super well in terms of his experience in Hollywood.

That being said, that movie made $85 million worldwide, and it probably wouldn't have if it was Shia LaBeouf in that role who was fired from that part or who chose to leave or whatever. I don't know what the fuck happened. So, Harry, 35. Yeah. Number 34 is Rachel Zegler, which is exactly where she was last year. Right.

Which I feel like is fair. That was intentional on my part because she has not done anything since she starred in West Side Story, which had not been released when we made the list last year. And so she was at 34 on the strength of that. West Side Story was one of my favorite movies of last year. I thought she was wonderful in it. Obviously, not as many people saw it as some of us might have liked. And then she has just been filming. So she doesn't get to move up. But I think probably next year. Here are the movies that she's scheduled for. She's apparently in Shazam Fury of the Gods, which you can tell me what that's about. Your most anticipated of 2023.

Yeah. What's going on there? It's the sequel to the film Shazam. Sure. And what's up with Shazam? Is that a person? He was like a 13 year old boy Who acquired mystical ancient powers That made him one of the most powerful beings in the world

Okay He's played by Zachary Levi From Chuck, the series Chuck Honest to God question Is this an MCU? No it's DC, DCEU Can I be honest? The first Shazam movie was pretty fun I remember you saying that

I actually had the director on the show because I thought it was pretty good. Okay. I thought it was actually like the right way to make a kind of like side story in these movies. It didn't feel like it was like, when's Henry Cavill going to show up in this one? You know, it was like, it was kind of standalone and it was like a sweet teen comedy. So I liked it. Okay. I will watch this one.

I don't think it will be as good as the first one, but I'll watch it. And especially if she's in it. Rachel Zegler is also going to be Snow White in Disney's live action Snow White. Yeah, that's a big deal. And then she was cast in the new Hunger Games spinoff. And I believe a central role. This is actually the subtitle for that film was actually one of the original titles I was considering for the big picture. It's The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. So you can decide who's the songbird and who's the snake on our show. Bob, you're both. You're a songbird and a snake, bud. I'm the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. So you can decide who's the songbird and who's the snake on our show.

Bob, you're both. You're a songbird and a snake, bud. I'm the ballad. Okay. That's beautiful. Well done. Number 33. I feel good about this one.

Newly engaged. Paul Muskell. People will know him from Normal People, maybe from The Lost Daughter. We talked about After Sun, which you and I, I think we're a little bit less excited about than most people, but he's very very very good in the movie he's wonderful um and he certainly feels like someone who is right on the brink of like a massive breakthrough because he's going to be in a lot of movies in the next couple of years um i'm a big fan of his he holds the frame in that jennifer lawrence way in an in another very quiet film. He also has like 85 movies coming up

in the next few years. I mean, his IMDb page is phenomenal. But some of them include Benjamin Millipie, who is Natalie Portman's choreographer husband. Updated Carmen, the Bizet opera. So that'll be interesting. He's in Strangers with Claire Foy and Andrew Scott, and then in a film called Foe with Saoirse Ronan.

So just kind of checking the box of every up-and-coming British, or not up-and-coming, but established, beloved British actor. Foe is the follow-up novel from Ian Reid, who wrote I'm Thinking of thinking of ending things oh um and it's a very good science fiction novel so that could be cool too um he's also currently on uh on the stage in london in streetcar named desire stanley kowalski oh wow so paul muskell doing big things at the moment uh number 32 let's fight a little bit no you do it just do your thing this is fine you made your case what you don't you don't want to fight on the pod? Come on. We set ourselves up. Okay. We should let the,

actually, this would be, this should be a convention that we should let the listeners decide. Okay. You want to, do you want to put it to a vote? Yeah. I'm just pulling up the IMDb page. So I'm ready to go. Wow. You're ready to give up? You felt like I convinced you? I was trying to let you have some moments. So then you would not complain all the time about Margaret Qualley and Daisy Edgar Jones and all your, you know. All my what? All my wonderful actresses. Okay. You pitched Adria Arjona.

Yes. Who can currently be seen in Andor and who's been in quite a few big films over the last five years. The tricky part of it is, as I suggested to you, is she's never really been at the middle of a movie. We still haven't seen, like, I would show up to a movie because Andrea Arjona is the star of the movie. Jenna Ortega is the person who I countered with because I feel like she actually has done that now. Now, she plugged into the Scream franchise and is basically the new Neve Campbell in the Scream franchise. And I really, really like her.

She's also the star of X. She was in the Fallout. She was the star of that film. That was like her best performance, I think. And she's also, she's Wednesday on the Netflix series

that's like the Addams Family spinoff, which I guess is coming out like now, that apparently is good. She just feels like more of a person who's been located by hollywood but what what why arjona like what did you think of with her like what made you

interested in her because we have already identified her as like the big picture's next great hope here are some of the films that she has been in though maybe not always in the leading role triple frontier yeah that was sick six underground sean fantasy she was in father of the bride which i didn't like that much but i really enjoyed her in it actually i had a fine time it's not it's not horrible it's not horrible i i wish that it had the budget that the nancy myers version did but i liked it and i liked her. She is on Andor, which we had claimed as a film. She will be in Pussy Island, whether it sticks with that name.

And then she's currently making Hitman, the Richard Linklater movie with Glenn Powell. Like, call your shots, man. We actually had a text message exchange talking about how much we liked her, just like irrespective of this list a month or so ago i do really like her it's just i don't know if she is a movie star don't know why we can't stick to our principles a little bit you neglected one critical role what did i forget she

played martine bancroft in morbius oh my god i was gonna point that out too that was very smooth the way that amanda just glided right that's That's right. I didn't see Morbius. I think Morbius came out the weekend that Knox was born. You got to watch Morbius for the movies we missed this year, Pod. No. You can't even negotiate.

I think... Fine. As I said, I hear your point. This is a next on for me. She goes on the list along with Naomi Ackie and a handful of other people who are excited about next year. But it's just, I like it when we create a world, you know, and we have our heroes and we feel invested in people. And I just don't, that's fine.

Sidebar. I think one job I think I would have been good at is a trailer voice guy. In a world. Okay. I think I, one job I think I would have been good at is a trailer voice guy. Okay. In a world. Okay. That guy, I think I, I think I could really.

What made you think of that? Well, because you said we create a world. Okay. And you wanted to be like, in a world. Yeah. Did you ever see that Lake Bell movie?

I did. In fact, I profiled Lake Bell for that movie. That's right. Remember that? Yeah. For the cover. Lake Bell,

just one of the hottest out. Okay. Just consistently for years. Just one of the hottest. Number 31. Who is it? Lashana Lynch. This was a years. Just one of the hottest. Number 31. Who is it? Lashana Lynch. This was a good call by you.

Thank you. This is, we had Tussauds and Beidou in this spot. I wanted to do Lashana Lynch for a variety of reasons. One, she jumps off the screen in The Woman King.

She's playing a supporting part. She's not the star of the movie, but she really, really is like, has the, you know, has like the Russell Crowe in LA Confidential part where you're like, who's that?

And also because she's 34 years old and she turns 35 in two weeks. And so this was her last chance. And so I wanted to give her a little bit of love. Happy birthday, Lashana Lynch. Yes. She's also, you know,

she's been in a bunch of movies. She's in Captain Marvel. She's in No Time to Die. She's been in the Bond franchise. She's in Matilda the Musical, which is coming to Netflix in a few weeks. And she's Miss Honey, right? And she's Miss Honey, which is, of course, a big part of Matilda,

a big book for you and I. I'm not sure I needed Matilda to be a musical, frankly. Well, I think it is a huge hit musical, actually, in the real world. I don't know. Children deserve nice things. What are you going to do when Alice just wants to listen to Matilda the Musical soundtrack every day? I will support her. I will support her. I think there's a strong chance that Alice is a real Matilda type. There's like, that's very much in play. In addition to that, LaShonna Lynch will be playing Rita Marley in Ronaldo Marcus Green's Bob Marley biopic, which is, that's obviously one of the leads of that film.

And so I'm a huge fan of hers. I think she's really good. And she's like another great, like really physical performer. You really buy her as a warrior in uh in woman king so that's a good one number 30

you put this one here I was happy to see it who is number 30 Stephanie Sue yeah um the not quite breakout

but a a big moment in everything everywhere all at once for sure um she's also apparently been on the

Marvelous Mrs. Maisel the last few seasons gotta be honest I quit that show I haven't been watching it either. Somewhere during the second season. Yeah. Um, she was recently cast in The Fall Guy.

Um, the upcoming Ryan Gosling. Huge action movie coming in 2024. Yeah. And she's also apparently in a, um, still untitled, uh, comedy, like a female comedy movie directed by Adele Lim. So it seems like things are in the work. And she's been in the convo for supporting actress nominee for the Oscars. I don't know whether it'll happen.

It's kind of a funky category, so it's not out of the question. But if you're in the conversation already, I think that merits a 30 on this list. That would be cool if like all of the actors because there's a strong push for Kiwi Kwan as well to be nominated for Best Supporting Actor. I think they're going to

campaign the hell out of that and then of course Michelle Yeoh will be nominated. I think the movie, this is paradoxical because the movie wouldn't be the hit that it is if Michelle Yeoh was not in it

and didn't give the performance that she gave in it. But if it wasn't Michelle Yeoh, I think more people would have pointed to Stephanie Sue because she has a really fun part. You know, she kind of plays like the villain of the movie and is really, really good in it for somebody that we haven't seen very often. I liked her a lot and I like this pic a lot.

Number 29, your boy Joe Alwyn, who we just discussed on Stars at Noon. Why are you saying my boy? That's your guy. It's your guy. Is it? Yeah. It's my guy in that film as the mysterious British operator.

But I think you've been softening on him a bit in the last few years. He's been in everything. I'm just not a huge Taylor Swift fan and so I bring some biases to this,

but I see him in films and I'm like, oh, pretty good. Souvenir Part 2, pretty, yeah. Hold the screen. Conversations with friends, pretty good. Like, he's pretty good this is pretty Conversations with Friends pretty good

like he's pretty good never finished Conversations with Friends but I do think he was perfect casting for that very long TV show he is next

appearing in End which we just learned is a film that is coming out next year it looks like Yorgos Lanthimos

is releasing two movies next year which is fascinating and I believe they both star Emma Stone. That's great. And Joe Allen is in this one.

And Margaret Qualley, his star from Stars at Noon, is also in End. So that's 29. 28, this was a me pick. I don't even know. Have you seen any of this person's movies? I saw High Life.

Okay. And I saw the new Emma. Oh, yeah. Okay, you definitely saw the new Emma. So 28 is Mia Goth, who I think would have, I never would have considered for this list like a year ago.

But having seen X and Pearl now and having seen both of those movies do like pretty good business for an independent horror movie and the fact that they have now built this trilogy, their third film in this trilogy is coming out next year,

that is very much centered around her. And I think she has taken on a kind of cult status as a, I don't know, scream queen is maybe not the right phrase, but, you know, like a new version of that. Right. And she's, she's so, I just thought her and Pearl, I just thought was phenomenal.

I just thought that was like one of the best performances of the year. I know it's not really your bag, but I really, really like her a lot. And her next film is Brandon Cronenberg's Infinity Pool, which will no doubt be a fucking insane, violent, bloody weird movie if his previous films are anything to go by. And then, like I said, Maxine, which is all about her character from X going to Hollywood and then pursuing a career in pornography. Okay. Should be interesting. I think what, you know, X was like a 70s slasher.

Pearl was like kind of like a 40s freak out horror killer movie. Maxine is going to be the 80s slasher. Should be fun. 27. So tonight, you and I go see Wakanda Forever. Yeah. So we don't know anything. I have seen a trailer, but I haven't read anything about it.

So this is a spoiler-free zone. Knowing almost nothing, I have to imagine that Letitia Wright is going to be a big part of Black Panther Wakanda forever. Just guessing. The final shot of the first trailer is Shuri in the Black Panther costume. Oh, it is?

I mean, I don't know for sure, but it's a woman. Yeah. Presumably it's her. Maybe it's not don't know for sure, but it's a woman. Yeah. And it seems like it. Presumably it's her. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's someone else. It looks like her. Yeah.

I assumed that it was her and I know nothing. Yes. So we haven't seen it yet, so we're just speculating. Yeah. Obviously she's been the star of Black Panther.

She was in Small Axe. She was in Death on the Nile earlier this year. I never got to talk about how angry I was about that. About the film or about her part? About the film. Well, maybe we should do that on the movies we missed as well.

I don't think anyone missed anything by not talking about it, but just personally, that was... You know, someone who's not on this list who I really liked in that movie was Emma Mackey, the Margot Robbie lookalike. Oh, she was fantastic. She's so good. She's from Sex Education? Yeah, I'd never watched that show. I hadn't either, and I definitely, mid-movie, while Googled, was like, who is this? Because she's really wonderful.

She's really good. Yeah, and just absolutely abysmally bad CGI disaster movie. Yeah, it's not good. Emma Mackey might be on the list next year because she's also going to be in Barbie. And they're literally riffing on the You Look Like Margot Robbie thing, which is so smart um I'm kind of excited for Barbie I gotta be honest I think it might like be like amazing what do you mean I'm kind of excited for Barbie like what is that can you just check whatever you're carrying around there what am I carrying around inherited sexism whatever around you are a girl dad okay and so what you need to do is let go of that.

Right now. A lot of finger pointing. What do you mean? I'm kind of excited. Of course I'm fucking excited. I didn't say you're kind of excited with Ryan Gosling and Margot Robbie. Yeah. Yeah.

And a bunch of other people we like that's a, you know, joke about Barbie. Jesus Christ, Sean Ryan Gosling's last movie was The Gray Man. Margot Robbie's last movie was Amsterdam. Just putting that out there.

Letitia Wright is number 27. Number 26, she actually moved up this year. I'm not sure if that's right, but she's up one spot from last year. Dakota Johnson. She's 33.

Getting near the end of her ingenue era. She's been working a lot. She's in Cha-Cha Real Smooth in a very strange part. One of the weir her ingenue era. She's been working a lot. She's in Cha-Cha Real Smooth in a very strange part. It's just... One of the weirder characters of 2022.

I said that Daisy Edgar Jones was the most miscast person I've ever seen in Where the Crawdads Sing but maybe Dakota Johnson is the most miscast person

I've ever seen. Cooper Rife knew exactly what he was doing. He's like, it's time for me to be the star of a movie in which Dakota Johnson falls in love with me.

I respect that. I really do. Just like I respect that Cooper Rfe just keeps making movies about how much he loves his mom. Just never stop. That's a beautiful thing. Very relatable. But no, that didn't make sense. Yeah, that was crazy. Did you end up watching Persuasion? I did. The less we say about it it really wasn't good it was really really uh offensive well in terms of because it's trying to update the austin stuff and sort of like not even doing a clueless homage but it's basically what if clueless but uh insultingly dumb and i have a problem with that obviously did you know that the co-credited screenwriter on this movie is ronald bass you know what movies ronald bass

has written i don't rain man the joy luck club when a man loves a woman waiting to exhale dangerous minds my best friend's wedding stepmom okay i like all of well many of those films this is an icon of 90s screenwriting um okay well this was like three kids in a trench coat trying to write a movie for teenagers about jane austen it just sucked it's It's not good. Dakota Johnson is going to be the star of a 2023 film called Madam Web, which is a Spider-Man universe story that also stars

Sidney Sweeney. You just completely blanked me. Just being very, very rude to me on this podcast. I was waiting for you to at least explain

who Madam Web is. Like what's that about? I can't say I'm super familiar with Madam Web, but I'm happy to read you some information. Once again, you are a girl, dad. When will you start taking that responsibility seriously? Madam Web was a clairvoyant and precognitive mutant who first showed up to help Spider-Man

to find a kidnap victim. She was not one of the mutants that lost their power during the decimation storyline. She was attacked by Sarah and Anna Kravinoff. I'm not going to say any more of

them. I might spoil things. She was created in 1980 by Denny O'Neill and John Romita Jr., two of the

greats in the Spider-Man storytelling history. Madame Web's probably going to be a big movie, and that might be part of why

Sidney Sweeney's going up the list next year. Speaking of Marvel and Marvel storytelling, Simu Liu, the star of Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings,

he was 35. We've moved him up to 25. I think just because Shang-Chi was a hit and he held it and he's going to be in a bunch of big movies. Yeah.

So he's also in Barbie. He's also in Arthur the King and I, in all likelihood, he's going to be one of the critical Avengers in the next five years of that storytelling. So, and he was good in that movie. You I, in all likelihood, he's going to be one of the critical Avengers in the next five years of that storytelling.

So, and he was good in that movie. You know, I had some issues with the, with the third act of the film, but the first two acts I thought were pretty darn good. So, yeah.

I thought he was good in it. He's also just been out and about. In addition to being cast in all of these upcoming films, I just, I see him places like he's, he's embraced the stardom that, that comes with the MCU and seems relatively comfortable in it. He wants to be famous, for sure. Number 24.

Who is it? Ana de Armas. Tough year for our girl. She slipped from 12 to 24. Yeah. We knew this was coming. I just took on a really sad voice. Yeah.

We saw it slipping away bit by bit. The tough thing is that 2020 was supposed to be her year. It was supposed to be No Time to Die and Blonde and Deepwater, I believe. And we also like had real hope for all of those films. She was in a lot of ways the best part of No Time to Die. I thought she was wonderful in it. I had a lovely time watching Deepwater. I don't think anyone else did, but that's okay.

It was a gift to me. You had a nice time. I had a blast. Yeah. I mean, it's very silly, and they clearly took the movie away from Adrian Lyne and hacked it to bits, but I enjoyed myself. Yeah.

The Gray Man was not good, as previously discussed on many episodes of this podcast. But she wasn't the worst part of it. Classic case of I have no idea why you wanted to do this. Yeah. Like, had nothing to do that was interesting. Maybe had one cool scene. Just like a complete vacuum of her talent.

Yes. Yes, except I do think that No Time to Die unlocked charismatic action star as a possible path forward for her. So I can see why she maybe wanted to try it if that's the avenue that she's going down. And having seen Blonde, that seems more appealing to me than ever making another movie anywhere close to Blonde. I mean, yikes. Really not her fault? No, not her fault. But yeah, Blonde, one of our least favorite movies of the year.

She does have a big film coming up next year called Ghosted, which is Dexter Fletcher who directed Bohemian Rhapsody. And it's written by Warnick and Reese who were guests on the show around Spiderhead and who have written some of the biggest movies of the last 10 years.

I like those guys a lot. Chris Evans, Adrian Brody, and the Armistice on an Apple film. Could be good. Action-advent a lot. Chris Evans, Adrian Brody, and the Armis on an Apple film. Could be good. Action adventure movie. She's also 34, turns 35 in about five months. So this is,

c'est la vie. That's it. You're done, Anna. Thank you for everything you've done. We'll see you on the 35 over 35 list. In 100 meters, turn right. Actually, no. Turn left.

There's some awesome new breakfast wraps at McDonald's. Really? Yeah. There's the sausage, bacon, turn right. Actually, no. Turn left. There's some awesome new breakfast wraps at McDonald's. Really? Yeah. There's the sausage bacon and egg. A crispy seasoned chicken one. Mmm. A spicy end egg. Worth the detour. They sound amazing. Bet they taste amazing, too.

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She has to put a movie out. She's going to. She was 16 last year. She's 23 this year. She maybe could have been bumped down, but she's got some big ones coming up. I tried to bump her down because if I have to watch another one of those Nissan commercials, I'm going to jump out the window. I encourage her to get money. Sure. I don't want

her to not get money. No judgment. But those are really lame commercials, respectfully. I agree. I enjoy watching commercials during sports because that's what holds my interest, but I don't enjoy watching those. She has two giant movies. She's just in full sellout mode next year. Yeah, the first one is The Marvels, which is, of course, the sequel to Captain Marvel, which is the biggest franchise she's ever been a part of.

And then rivaling that is she is in Fast X, the somewhat complicated production that is the 10th Fast movie. Louis Leterrier has taken over for Justin Lin on that film as the director. We'll see. I mean, the Fast movies

like plug and play big time actresses in and out of these movies. Yeah. Like a bars of soap, you know. I'm not sure if I'm going to be like, thank God Brie Larson was in this movie and made it so much better for me.

No, you're not. Because you like have a pretty bad attitude about those movies. You know you're damn right I do. Yeah. Because they're not good. Just putting that out there. The last movie that Brie Larson was in was Just Mercy.

Oh, right. That was three years ago. That was right before the pandemic, right? That was the end of the year. 2019. Winter of 2019. Yeah. That's a long-ass time.

Well, remember she took a break from the world from Instagram or something, just as you were also taking leave? I don't remember that. I remember because she did a whole Instagram video about like, it's time for me to step away from this place. Like with her weird like Brie Larson pillows or whatever. Her Instagram presence is a little confusing to me. I don't think it's intended for me. And I remember you sending it to me being like, this is how I'm going to announce like my leave from the podcast

so it stayed with me I should have done that I should be doing more parody work number 22 Barry Keoghan so probably the person who is best navigating the complex world of young stardom in my mind.

That doesn't mean he's the best young actor. It doesn't mean he's going to be the biggest movie star. But when you look at what his work is, what his roles have been, I think he's been very, very smart at simultaneously, like, for lack of a better phrase, building a hive. There are a lot of hardcore fans of this young actor and also doing really interesting work.

We just talked about him last week on the Banshees of been a sharon podcast he's the fourth lead of that film he's not the star of the movie but he leaves quite an impression as dominic in the film he's done this in many movies now he started in the killing of a sacred deer the lanthimos movie opposite colin farrell in which he's kind of the second lead and is very upsetting and kind of entrancing he's like the fifth lead in Dunkirk and he plays like a, you know,

very, a character who's really sinks your heart in a lot of ways. He plays a very mischievous figure in The Green Knight. He plays probably the best character

in Eternals. Yeah. And he plays the Joker in Batman. Oh, that was him? Yeah. And we barely see him

and we barely hear him. And remember you had to ask like who is that when you watch the movie? But that's Barry Keoghan. Really? Yeah. So in theory,

he's a part of whatever happens next with the Matt Reeves Batman movies. So he's pretty well set up to be a big movie star. I don't even know how old Barry Keoghan is.

He's 30. 30, okay. And he's also next going to be in Saltburn, the Emerald Fennell movie which we mentioned earlier. I'm just a big fan of his. I like him a lot. even know how old he's 30 30 okay yeah um and he's also next going to be in salt burn the emerald finnell movie which we mentioned earlier i'm just a big fan of his i like him a lot he's kind of the he's kind of the the partner to the next person on the list to me in terms of like i just will watch him in anything he's trying to navigate this like i have good taste but also i need to be

in big movies strategy he's irish right yes but but also i don't feel i'm not nervous that barry qn is going to like suddenly become you know madam webb or whatever or monsieur webb yes um monsieur webb sounds like a great great sequel yeah like he he is doing the larger movies but with a lot of savviness and sort of he's on the sideline. He's just getting paid or being the best thing in a not good movie and then going to do things that are interesting to him and interesting to us. And that also is a good summary of the next. Do you want to talk about your... I do, but I would just want to say one more time.

Bonjour, Monsieur Webb! 21 is Jessie Buckley, wholey who of course is one of my faves talked about her many times on the show you know i had a chance to talk to her on the show last year and i got nervous and i said i'm not available that's a true story i i i understand you know that i actually don't really like talking to the to the the people with the real charisma that reaches out the tractor beam people yeah beam people. Yeah. I, uh, I'm quite fond of her as an actor and she really hasn't let me down. I,

I mean, I, I'm, I'm more interested in the kinds of parts, like she's drawn to stuff that I'm drawn to storytelling wise that I think maybe you don't always love, but that makes people kind of uncomfortable, which makes it more interesting for me.

She's has a really challenging part in women talking. Um, and she's tenacious in that movie. Have seen women talking yes i have we had a conversation about it but it's fine you don't have to remember that how many conversations about movies can we have a week 30 60 90 we should start we should try to convert more of them into paid conversations you know patreon for the pod yeah why not not the worst is that legal no probably not we're not allowed to do that um we she's very good in it yeah uh she's been in obviously in the lost daughter i'm thinking of ending things she was one of the stars of chernobyl women talking it'll be interesting to see if she or

anyone else emerges in the awards race she was nominated for the lost daughter last year if you had to guess who, if anyone, will be nominated for that film before we talk about it in depth, who do you think it will be? Well, I know who I want. I know who you want, but who do you...

I think the contenders reasonably are Claire Foy, Jesse Buckley, and Rooney Mara. I think it'll be either Buckley or Foy. In supporting. In supporting.

I believe Rooney has been sacrificed to Best lead actress. Yeah. She also has the least to do or does the least. Or does she? Well,

we can talk about it. We will on December 2nd. Much like the women. I would vote for Foy. But I do, I think there's a great case for Buckley. I mean,

it's a classic. They should probably both be nominated. And as you said, there's a great case for Buckley I mean it's a classic they should probably both be nominated and as you said it's a weird year in that category so maybe they will be but you could also see them canceling each other out I agree that's definitely in play who's number 20? Austin Butler

this is another real saw him in a movie in this case Elvis in which he played Elvis and was like oh I, I get it. Like, this guy has it. And he may well get an Oscar nomination for Elvis. And he is also in a film called Dune Part 2. Yes, he is.

So, 20 seems low. He's one of the ones where I started him a lot higher and then I just kind of had to keep putting other people in. And so, he slipped down to 20, but I think next year he'll be higher. He plays Fade Rautha. Are you familiar with that character? Of course, yeah. Do you know who played Fade Rautha in David Lynch's Dune?

No. Sting. Oh, sick. He's kind of sort of the villain of the film. He's Baron Harkonnen's nephew. Cool. I remember who that is as well, so.

Stellan Skarsgård, he was like the blobby figure. Oh, sure. Oh, I hope Austin Butler's nephew. Cool. I remember who that is as well. Stellan Skarsgård. He was like the blobby figure. Oh, sure. Oh, I hope Austin Butler's not a blob. I don't believe he will be. Okay. I think he'll be beautiful and strapping. Yeah.

I like Austin Butler. I didn't like Elvis. He's very good as Tex in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood as well. He just has it. And I said this when we talked about Elvis. He has also been a tabloid fixture for a while. He has been attached to many young notable actresses. Who is he attached to right now?

Kaya Gerber, I believe. Oh, wow. Sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was one of, and I believe that Kaya Gerber previously dated Jacob Elordi. So it was one of these things where I- Gotta type. Yes. And I kind of would look at us weekly and be like, you know what, this is just not my generation. And I hope all these people are emotionally healthy and I'm just going to move on and not really learn their names. But now I see what Kaia Gerber has going and I respect it in both cases. Okay. Good for her. Good for them. Number 19 is Saoirse Ronan. I feel like she's slipping. I feel like she's been slipping down the list over the years.

She just hasn't been doing as much. She has done some stuff, but she's not been Lady Bird, Brooklyn, Saoirse Ronan, where she's like, I'm the movie. The movie is about me. About me in the center of the movie. You know, she's 28 now. She's had four Oscar nominations. She was in See How They Run this year, which I think we both thought was like slightly less successful than we wanted it to be. Kind of soft parody of Agatha Christie stories.

She was wonderful in The French Dispatch, but was in about 20 minutes of it. I mean, that's the thing. And she does have Faux coming up, which we previously mentioned with Paul Muskell, which could be good. Yeah. Could be an exciting sci-fi story.

I mean, let's remember, she's 28 years old and has already been nominated for an Oscar four times. So some of this feels a little bit like Saoirse Ronan wanted to take a little time to just be a person, which I think is great for her as a person and also great for your acting. So she'll be fine. Okay.

Number 18, we wanted to clear out a WAG spot. WAGs could claim any person on the list to tout. Who you got at 18 here, Bob? I chose Kiki Palmer, who I was kind of surprised that I chose. I was scrolling through the list last night. She's had a really weird career arc. You know, she was, for people of the 20-somethings generation, she was True Jackson VP, which was a Nickelodeon show,

which was not very good. Like, not one of my preferred Nickelodeon shows at the time as I was growing up. And then she kind of disappeared for a long time. You know, she made a lot of music videos, whether those were her own music videos or featuring in music videos for other people that she was friends with. But seeing her in Hustlers, I love, but she had more of a bit part in that film. She wasn't really at the star of any of the scenes there, but she was contributing in an interesting way. And then Jordan Peele putting her in the center of Nope obviously thrust her into this conversation in a completely

different way. And she's tremendous. I think in the formula that you guys have laid out where it's 50 what you've done and 25 what you're about to do or what you have recently done like she's relying on that 25 maybe a little bit because the 50 cv isn't that long necessarily but you know in thinking about kiki palmer i remembered a conversation that they had on tea time you know finger on the pulse there on what makes young stars. And they pointed out something which I thought was really interesting, which was that she was hosting the red carpet for the VMAs in 2021. And all of the other stars really loved her. Like multiple stars just ignored her questions and were like, I love you. I'm such a fan. I think Chalamet was one of those.

I think Frank Ocean was one of those people that they decided specifically and I think that that's a star making quality for her not to mention the fact that in Nope I think she really proved how tremendous she can be if a filmmaker understands her charisma and her charm offensive and her sense of humor like she's the sweetness to Kaluuya's saltiness in that movie in a way that makes a delicious film that I love. And that, you know, she worked successfully with one of the biggest filmmakers in the world. Yeah.

I think, yeah, the movie, I'm not sure if that movie works without her. It absolutely doesn't. And I agree with you. I think actually the thing that you cited, Bob, that she was a Disney star,

which you could kind of feel in previous performances that maybe worked against her a little bit. It's a little hard for actors of that generation to shake off some of that stuff but it helps her because it creates an awareness that some of her peers don't have like there's not a generational like you and i don't know her from that stuff because we're just a little bit after our time but you know the i i don't I'm sorry to this man meme. I mean, I was just

waiting to say sorry to this man. You know, that's instant. She's knowable forever because of that as a person and then it helps

obviously that as a performer she's so charismatic. I'm excited for her. One tricky thing that happened is that she's the star of the new Aziz Ansari movie

which I don't know if it's ever going to come out. Right. Being mortal which had this complicated circumstance with Bill Murray where there was an accusation of improper conduct.

And then I actually don't know where that movie stands at the moment if we'll ever see it. There was speculation that she was somehow involved and then she was not involved in the incident,

so on and so forth. But that's the only thing that she has lined up at the moment as far as I can tell. So it's a little hard to speculate where she's going. I think if you saw Nope, you'd be like, put this person in more good movies for christ's sake i think people will yeah um she also was the voice of the young girl in

light year uh oh right do you remember that yeah yeah bobby did you see light year i did not no okay did i tell you about my light year experience with the kids on vacation no i don't know if i talked about this on the show at all um It might have been right before you came back. I went on vacation this summer in North Carolina with my family. As a kid growing up, we used to do this where like 20 of us would all rent a big house in North Carolina and stay there for a week,

go to the beach. So we did this as kind of like a revival reminder of something we used to do. But now all of us, me and all my cousins are all grown up and we all have kids. And this house had a movie theater in it it had a screening room and four out of the seven nights that we stayed there the kids wanted to watch light year really yeah and they sat in the screening room who was leading that was there one child leading the charge well i don't want to i

it's fine tyler my nephew yeah um who is the eldest. I think Tyler's five now. Was like really gung-ho. Jack, my nephew, also. Also a big Buzz and Woody guy. A huge Toy Story guy. But like all the boys and the girls were like, Lightyear is the shit. Now, granted, it had only come out a few months earlier and it had just hit Disney Plus that week. So it was fresh and it was new.

Moana also huge in the house on like nonstop. Frozen 2 on the house nonstop, which I hate. I hate Frozen 2. It's awful. But yeah, it was interesting to watch them in the wild and see how, you know, I really did not like Lightyear. I don't think you did either. No.

But kids clicked with it and they clicked with Kiki Palmer's character and Socks, the robot cat. I did like Socks, the robot cat. I did like Socks, the robot. Socks was pretty sick. Good sense of humor. Let's go to 17. So I'm just going to put this out there. It's Dev Patel.

He was 12 last year. He slipped a few spots, but I think he's going to have a really big 2023 for a couple of reasons. One, he wrote and directed his first movie that he's starring in called Monkey Man. And he's also one of the stars of The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar,

which is another adaptation of a Roald Dahl book that I read as a kid, written and directed by Wes Anderson. I also think that there's a really, really, really strong chance that he's going to be Bond. I'm basing this on nothing. Okay. It's a good call.

They should do it. They're stupid, so they won't, but they should. I think it could happen. I think they know they need to make a splash and go a little bit younger than they went with Craig when Craig came in.

And they need somebody who's a little bit, for lack of a better word, nicer. Yeah, they need less, slightly less dirtbag. Yes. But let me just say,

my only other counter to my own stupid idea that is a fake prediction is that Harry Laudy, who is one of the stars of Industry, do you know him? He's like the tall,

wiry, blonde guy who's kind of insecure, who is in love with Marissa Abella's character. That guy is the most Bond I've ever seen. That guy, I'm like,

that is, and I don't mean like he's cool and suave. I'm like, he is contemporary 2022 Bond. He's like been to therapy and has a kind of a sense of humor.

But if he needs to wear a tuxedo and hold a gun, he would crush humor. But if he needs to wear a tuxedo and hold a gun, he would crush. And so if it isn't Dev, I feel like they might end up going with Harry Lottie because he just,

and he has the greatest Bond voice you've ever heard. Industry, one of my favorite shows. I love that show. I really want to have Mickey and Conrad on this podcast because they are so smart about movies.

They talked, Chris and Andy, about the movies that inspired their TV show. And I was like, this is love. Like these guys, they have great taste. I was trying to worka harold into this in one way or another but she just hasn't done enough stuff i know she's so good though i mean she did bodies bodies bodies

but of course that's not enough to really drive you on to the 35 under 35 but she's like tremendously interior and like yes i don't know she's great she is really great um. She is one of the stars of Sam Esmail's forthcoming film, which we will talk to him about soon on this show. I strongly encourage you to restart industry. Strongly. I really, I think it's very special. I know. I just, you know, I have to catch up.

I know, I know. There's a lot going on. Anyway, that was my side tangent on Dev Patel and Harry Lottie and Mahala Herald. Any thoughts on Dev? I'm a Laudy and Mahala Herald. Any thoughts on Dev? I'm a big fan. Yeah, he's good. Very handsome also.

He is. He's a very good actor and he's darn good looking. 16. This will be her final year on the list. One of our favorites. Yeah, but not her final year as a movie star. Vanessa Kirby. Like, here it comes.

We had a little bit of a break. She's going to be back next year in another Mission Impossible movie, Dead Reckoning Part 1 and 2. That's right. She is apparently in The Sun, which is this year's The Wife, so I still have not seen it. And as previously mentioned, she is replacing Jodie Comer as Josephine in Ridley Scott's Napoleon. Yes, is what I have to say to that. She's ready. She's ready to make the breakthrough.

This is a big time for her. She was also Academy Award nominated in 2021 for Pieces of a Woman. So everybody likes her. She's got it all. 15. Your guy. Our guy.

Glenn Powell. This is what I'm talking about. I'm like calling your shots early on as a podcast. We have been Glenn Powell fans forever and now the rest of the world is and it feels great. Yeah. Unfortunately for him, this is his last year on this list because he's also 34 years old like Vanessa Kirby, but you know what? He did it. One thing I've learned in my years is that aging is okay. Oh, have you learned that? I have kids that have. I cannot agree with you. I'm enjoying it so far. I haven't caught up with you yet,

so maybe I'll feel I'm the last one standing. Let me give you a quick thought on that. I have felt 40 years old for about 25 consecutive years. But now that I am 40, I'm like, oh, okay. Now we're on the down part of the roller coaster. Right. Like this is bad. So you felt spiritually 40?

Oh, yeah. Okay. What do you think like your spiritual age is? I don't know what it's gonna be now i'm like i'm strongly considering like tweed vests going forward okay you know just like lean into 63 okay because i i i can't adequately even represent like cool dad like i'm i'm not i'm losing all all all emotional relevance you know what i mean i'm just i'm fading away okay into my child's life into this podcast into a handful of other things okay you know i've I'm losing all emotional relevance. You know what I mean? I'm just, I'm fading away. Okay.

Into my child's life, into this podcast, into a handful of other things. Okay. You know, I've lost myself. I have noticed that sense of anxiety in you the last few, it's really fascinating. That's usually something that's associated with like becoming a mom. No offense. Then you're just like trying to claim it away from all of us. No, my wife can have it too. But the good news is I don't feel that way at all.

I can tell. I'm thriving. I'm happy for you. I'm really tired, but I'm thriving. You can call me on the day you turn 40. Sean, I think you should get into like a new hobby, you know, like something that has nothing to do with pop culture. Like you should like start flying planes or something.

I really don't think that you of all people should fly planes. Why? I'm a very good driver. That was just in my head because we're on Glenn Powell.ell all your loved ones i i it doesn't have to be planes it doesn't it could be anything it could be trains it could be like you could get really into like i don't know croquet or something like that i don't know bobby don't encourage him anything like competitive competitive or death defying because then the psycho part of Sean comes out.

How about crochet then instead? Oh yeah, that would be nice. Something gentle and soothing. Moving on. Glenn Powell,

wonderful actor. Yeah. Finally hit the big one with Top Gun Maverick in which he played Hangman. Great character. Incredible moment

for him at the end of the movie. We love Glenn Powell. He was also one of the voices in Richard Linklater's Apollo 10 1⁄2 this year and will be the star as you mentioned one of the voices in Richard Linklater's Apollo 10 and a half this year and will be the star, as you mentioned previously, of Hitman.

Richard Linklater's new. Is this sort of like an action comedy? That's the pitch on it? I think so. And he's also appearing in two weeks in Devotion, another flyboy drama co-starring Jonathan Majors. He was 30. Now he's number 15 on this list. Yeah. Shout out to Glenn Powell. Number 14. I need more from this guy. Yeah, this is just a, he's sort of,

he's just holding fast. He was doing Atlanta. Lakeith Stanfield, who has appeared in some of the best movies in the last 10 years, honestly. If you go down the list, it's like,

okay, well, short term 12, sorry to bother you. Get out. Uncut Gems, Knives Out, Judas and the Black Messiah.

Wow, that's like a pretty amazing CV. His next movie is Haunted Mansion from Disney. Okay. So it's like they turned the ride into a movie? They did that actually 20 years ago with Eddie Murphy. Do you remember that? No. It was not good.

That being said, Haunted Mansion is a must-go every time I'm in Disneyland. We must do the Haunted Mansion. Whether it's the Nightmare Before Christmas updated Halloween version, or when they flip it, and it's just the traditional Haunted Mansion. I fucking love the Haunted Mansion.

So one thing I've been thinking about in my own life is how to introduce my son to, you know, Disneyland or World or whatever, because I'm not a Disney adult. i just i'm not but i have fond memories of going to disney i went to disney world as a child so we never went to disney no so i've never been with you but you and your wife are experts and i have actually thought about like oh you know i hope that sean and eileen will just kind of take knocks under their wing and you know he can have a full experience but then you just got into real, like, spreadsheet mean dad, like, get in line at 6 a.m. for the Haunted Mansion.

And I'm just kind of like, I don't know whether I want to introduce that level of stress to Knox's, like, Disneyland experience. You know, it's supposed to be a place of wonder. And you really just that that was a lot. But I do know you have to attack at Disneyland. You do. You know? You do. The truth is, is that I'm not the authoritarian monster

when it comes to Disneyland. It's my wife. Yeah. Eileen is really the one. She is the hardcore Disneylandophile. She'll take knocks under her wing. Okay. She knows how to do it in a way that is less abrasive than I am.

Lakeith, you know obviously i think genuinely one of the most interesting actors of his generation somebody who always makes choices that i never expect i love watching him in movies as you said he they're concluding atlanta i think this week i think this week is the series finale of the show so hopefully more movies for him in the future number 13 speaking of most interesting actors of their generation, the now Oscar-nominated Jesse Plemons, who leaps up one spot from 14 to 13. Last we saw him, he was in The Power of the Dog. All right, he's Bronco Henry. That's right.

He had not been nominated for an Oscar when we made this list. And we also thought Killers of the Flower Moon was coming out this year when we made it. So we're still sort of in a holding pattern, plus add the Oscar nom, which somehow only bumps him one spot. But we're just waiting for Killers of the Flower Moon. Yeah, I mean, you know, originally when it was first reported that this movie was being made, it was suggested that Leonardo DiCaprio was the star of that movie. And then sort of halfway through production, there was some sort of like press release. It was like, actually, Jesse Plemons is the lead of this film. Love Jesse.

Think he's a really interesting actor. Number 12, the aforementioned Jennifer Lawrence, who's back in the saddle. I guess I had overlooked Don't Look Up because she wasn't Don't Look Up last year. Yeah. Kind of easy to forget. You know, I was on a blank check pod and there was like a side conversation about Don't Look Up when we were talking about Dr. Strangelove. And we were talking about how, I wanted to ask you about this

because it sparked my interest in the movie even more. You know, that final scene of Don't Look Up I love so much that it's like very sincere and kind of earnest. And Leonardo DiCaprio gets to really like act in it.

And I wonder if the movie was just earnest and not a satire, would it have been more effective? Like, do you think if they had just, if Adam McKay had just said, I'm not doing a joke movie. I'm doing a movie about my anxiety about climate change, would it have been an effective film? Bobby is nodding his head. Yeah. You say yes. I mean, maybe because my response to it was just kind of, I don't think satire works in this way anymore

because the world itself is satire. so maybe but you know then i'm thinking about the jennifer lawrence role where she's playing like a punk like climate scientist and leonardo dicaprio is playing like a nerdy climate scientist and that you can't do that earnestly i mean i just can't take that seriously part of it part of the them being in those roles is the joke the satire of it all so maybe it would have been better but i don't know if it would have been better with jennifer lawrence in that role that's i think it would have been better but still maybe not good yeah but i think one of the things that really turned people off from it was that it was so overwrought. And from the very beginning, the conversation around it was just like, this movie was going to change what satire is with regards to climate change.

And it's just like, okay, all right. I think that people opted out quickly. Adam McKay was sort of selling it as an earnest movie. That was the other thing. That he was like, people who don't like this movie don't care about climate change. Yeah, I think that the marketing of that was an error yeah i i just think the conversation we were having on that show a few months ago was more just that it feels like mckay is in a really earnest place with his feelings about the world and that rather than try to use the tools of the

previous work that he had done like just lean into like pure melodrama. You know, like we saw a pure melodrama last night in the Fablemans. And I was like, I'm glad. It was funny and there was jokes and stuff. But I was like, he's not shying away from the sentimentality of the story. And there's something very dire about climate change.

And I think I actually would have been fine with it. Anyway, this is a real sidebar. Jennifer Lawrence, as we said, very good in Causeway. And her next movie is more of a commercial play. It's called No Hard Feelings. It's a comedy from Gene Sibnitsky, who's been kind of one of the more well Jennifer Lawrence, as we said, very good in Causeway. And her next movie is more of a commercial play. It's called No Hard Feelings. It's a comedy from Gene Sibnitsky, who's been kind of one of the more well-known, celebrated comedy writers of the last 15 years. The pitch for the movie

is pretty funny. It kind of sounds like an 80s comedy, honestly. Lawrence's character answers a Craigslist ad that was placed by a mother for someone to date her son before he enters college. So she's sort of playing like the older woman who is introducing him to the world. Could be good. It could be charming.

It has real, it's not a super bad setup, but it has sort of super bad-ish vibes. It's in the zone. Yeah. Number 11, Kristen Stewart. I feel stuck on this right now. Well, she's just not making movies, so we don't know what to do. But she's still Kristen Stewart. She is still Kristen Stewart.

She's extraordinarily famous. If she decided to make a big mainstream movie tomorrow, it would be one of the bigger movies of the year, more than likely. The last two films she's made are Spencer, which was not very well received by you or by very many other people. And she is downright hilarious in Crimes of the Future,

which is one of my favorite movies of the year, a movie you probably won't watch. But she's the third or fourth lead in the movie and plays a very unusual character. Yeah, but that's kind of, that's the... That's where she's at. That's the flex, right? When you're such a big movie star

that you can just like, you know, take a year off and show up as the third or fourth lead in a, you know, Cronenberg film and just be hilarious and then move on with your life. She doesn't have to sweat it anymore. I kind of think you should watch it just for her. Okay. She plays like a...

I was going to ask you, what is the movie... You get one movie that I'll watch before the movies of the year. And is it Barbarian? Is it Crimes of the Future? Is it something else? Let me think about that.

Is it Men? I know that was last year, but... Or was it this year? Nobody else liked Men. Like, I'm the only person I know that else? Let me think about that. Is it men? I know that was last year, but, or was it this year? Nobody else liked men. Like, I'm the only person I know that liked men.

That's not surprising. God damn it. Let me think about it and I'll get back to you and we'll make that part of the conversation of that episode. Number 10,

Jonathan Majors. This is, this is our fastest riser. Yeah. And this almost feels low. I agree with you. He hasn't yet done it. Exactly.

That's the thing. He's like right about to do it. Yeah. And you know, we know. Like we know he's going to do it. You didn't watch Loki, but he's in the final episode of Loki. I know that. I listen to the watch.

Okay, that's right. You do. When you're watching it, you're like, oh, fuck. Yes. Like this guy. Thank God they got this guy to do this. Obviously, he was wonderful

in Last Black Man in San Francisco and in Defy Bloods. He's very good in The Heart of Day Fall. But he's in Creed III as the kind of villain anti-hero

counterpoint to Adonis Creed. And he's in Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania, which kind of kicks off his run as Kang the Conqueror, who's a big, important figure

in the Marvel world. He's just, some guys just got it. Yeah. He's just got it. Instant, yes. He's also in Devotion, as I mentioned,

which is coming out in a couple of weeks. And is just, is one of our most exciting young stars. Can you please add the reams of film of him doing pull-ups

in Men's Health magazine to his cv that's the other thing is that he's fucking jacked yeah he is really really ripped um and i would say when i saw the last black man in san francisco my first takeaway was not like i wonder if that dude is jacked yeah but he is well it happens to a lot of them that's because he's also just like one of the best actors alive too it's true true. Maybe that's what my hobby should be. Is just creatine. Yes. I love this for you.

I love that. That was actually the next thing that was going to come out of my mouth. But we moved on too quickly. Can you imagine Sean on steroids? I just really don't know if the world needs to see that. We don't need to give him steroids. We could just get him on a little light regimen. Okay.

This is my cutting and bulking guru here, Bobby Wagner. Okay, number nine. I'm not sure if this person wants to be a movie star because she's becoming a writer-director and she's not starring in her writing and directing debut, Pussy Island. But Zoe Kravitz is number nine. Big reason she was in two big movies this year.

One, a kind of streaming hit, Kimmy, directed by Steven Soderbergh, in which she holds the movie completely. A kind of update on the Clute story. And she's Catwoman in The Batman. And she's a great Catwoman. She's fantastic. And she's Zoe Kravitz. Yeah, and she's fucking cool.

Yeah. So this one's pretty good. I feel like she's been 33 for like 10 years. Does that sound strange? She looks fantastic. Yeah, she's beautiful. for like 10 years. Does that sound strange? She looks fantastic. So, you know, whatever. 33 is looking great on her. Number eight.

Again, one of those people I'm like, this is either way too low or way too high. And I can't quite figure it out. It's kind of the middle ground right now. Anya Teller-Joy is 26 years old.

Last year, she was number 5 on this list we've moved her to number 8 she has appeared in 3 films since we made the list she was one of the stars of Last Night in Soho

she was one of the stars of The Northmen she was one of the stars of Amsterdam now all 3 of those movies at the box office kind of underperformed I thought she was

very good in all 3 especially in Last Night in Soho she's magnificent I thought in that movie good in all three especially in Last Night in Soho. She's magnificent I thought in that movie. And now she's got some big ones coming up. She has The Menu

next week. Actually is it this week? This week. End of this week. I think it debuts either this week or next week. I can't recall.

Which I just saw and I really liked. I thought it was pretty clever. I'm going to see it. And she is truly the star of that movie along with Ralph Fiennes.

She plays Princess Peach in the Super of that movie along with ray fines she plays uh princess peach in the super mario brothers movie just does the voice yeah did you play super mario brothers of course yeah i mean i had to go to someone else's house so you know no video games but that was always the one that i requested i know who princess peach is i i would say to you come get your girl on this one but you know that's fine that movie is going to be huge i would did not say that it looks good okay and then she's gonna be Furiosa sure

and then she'll be back in the top five no problem but it's just kind of a little fallow period she has one moment in the Northman Bob did you see the Northman

no I did not Jesus Christ you can put that on your list but if you pick the Northman as the movie I have to watch before the end of the year I have to be honest

I'm not going to it is the Northman is gonna be on your vision board for when we bulk you up though that's yes yes

I will become the bear that's what he does in the film she has a scene in this on a ship that is a top five scene of the year for me I like both

where she becomes completely entranced very powerful anyway boats are good number seven Emma Stone my request to Emma Stone

is to make a movie. Make a movie and put it out. You know what really hurt my feelings was when Emma Stone and her husband Dave McCrary sat at Citi Field during the Mets Padres series because they are Padres fans.

They're Padres fans? Yeah. Because she's from San Diego? I can't recall if he is or she is. They might both be. But they were wearing these really sick vintage Padres jackets. Did you see that, Bobby?

Yeah, that was so fucked up. She's from Arizona. I'm Googling him. I feel like someone I've dedicated so much energy and time to, you know, who's given me so much then just took a lot of it away. That is really tough. And I'm going to be honest. She's betrayed us. I don't know. i do understand when you marry someone who feels passionately about hey you do

a sporting team listen i know more about philadelphia sports than i ever would but do i wear any phillies or eagles paraphernalia myself no i don't now there is a suggestion that her presence at that game, which was the same game that Nathan Fielder was at, which is the same game that our buddy Josh Safdie was at, was part of the production of something that they're all working on.

Oh, okay. So, I don't know if that's true. I have not had that confirmed. Damn, that's the same game that Bobby Wagner was at, too. Oh. Dark energy in the stands there. Wags, are you in the new Nathan Fielder project? Not at liberty to say. The mustache indicates yes. No, actually, I'm going to be playing

Baron Harkonnen's other nephew in Dune 2. Just like the quiet, well-read one. But very jacked. Comes to the dinner table. Emma Stone was the star of The Met's Demise and also she's going to be in two new movies the Yorgos Lanthimos movies which I mentioned

Poor Things is the first one which I think I got in a movie auction for like a buck did you? I think so you got a

Yorgos Lanthimos movie but yeah and then End is A and D is the other film she was number 6 last year she was number 7 this year number 6 this year

who was number 7 last year who? Florence Pugh yeah Miss Flo herself. Miss Flo has only made one film since then, or has only had one film released since the last list, which is Don't Worry Darling, which we talked about in great detail. And that positive for her, despite it being a disastrous film.

No one had any bad words to say about her. Not a good movie. She does have a movie coming to Netflix in a few weeks called The Wonder. I thought it was pretty good. Okay. I'll check it out. And she's got a bunch of movies lined up, including Dune Part 2 and Oppenheimer, the new Christopher Nolan film, which features every living actor.

And a movie called A Good Person, which is written and directed by her ex-paramore, Zach Braff. Oh. Did they film it before the split up? I assume so. That would be strange if they made it after. I don't know. Rising above.

Garden State, in or out? Out. Bobby, Garden State, in or out? Out. I'm in. I'm going the other way. I know. I'm zagging.

Sure. You were 22 when it was released? That's a really good question. Let's look that up. It's 2004, I believe. I was 22. Yes, that's correct. I can't say that I think a good person will be good, but I like Florence Pugh a lot.

I do too. Number five, Tom Holland. Yes. We dropped him a spot. Is that a mistake? I mean, what did he do since the last time? He opened the film Uncharted, which was absolutely dreadful and was a hit. Okay.

So that's impressive. Now, also Spider-Man No Way Home had not come out, I believe, when we did our last list. So I'm looking at number four and I'm like, these two are paired together, but can we really say that number four is a bigger movie star than number five? I think we can. can okay are you taunting the audience with this one no i'm not taunting them i i get the tom holland appeal to the the teens and the i guess the 20-somethings of the world anyone who grew up with him i think he's very good in spider-man no way home yes and i do

understand the tiger beat phenomenon i don't i don't mean to reduce him to that but i do think a lot of people have grown up with him i just think that zendaya at this point between dune and dune 2 and she's just been anointed beyond Spider-Man while still being a central part of Spider-Man. And everything he does that's not Spider-Man is garbage until he's in the Fred Astaire biopic. So that's the thing. Yes, but...

We don't know. We don't know. But... So it's an interesting position, right? They're both 26. They're both participating in the Spider-Man franchise. They're dating? Are they dating? I don't even know if they're dating it's unclear and it's i can't really tell i can't parse the publicity nature of this but they might be or they might i don't know he has had not great luck with the parts that he's picked you know cherry and chaos walking and uncharted i would not say are successful movies and him doing a fred astaire biopic is

a really good idea really smart. He's very graceful and winning in the way that Fred Astaire was. That could be a cool movie. Fred Astaire led a fascinating life. Zendaya, in addition to the Spider-Man stuff, and Dune, as you say,

and Dune Part 2 forthcoming, is the star of Euphoria Season 2, which is not a movie, but it's a huge TV show, especially among young people. And as we said before, the star of the next Luca Guadagnino movie.

So I think she has a strand of fame that is sort of social media influence slash like fashion and culture that maybe Tom Holland is missing.

Correct. So that's the case for putting her above him? But he has sort of, yes. And clearly that speaks to me and what I consume a little bit more.

I mean, she's just like everywhere sort of in a, Julia Roberts is fresh on the mind because we just did that Hall of Fame. But that sort of 90s, just a hand in everything. Total fascination with her. So it's a kind of a war between them, I would say. Pretty tight battle. Yeah. And I think it's intentional that we've grouped them together in this list. Let's go to the top three. The top three, it hasn't changed a whole heck of a lot, just a little bit, but somewhat critically. Now, when I first was looking at what your first pass at this list, which I think was very good, by the way. Thank you. I thought Daniel Kaluuya, who's number three, should have possibly been number two. But upon reflection, I don't think that's the case. And there's one reason for that.

Now, Daniel Kaluuya, the star of Nope, one of my favorite movies of the year. Extraordinary Judas and the Black Messiah. Pretty much a must see. Like as Bill Simmons would say, a season ticket holder for all things Kaluuya.

Correct. He's sick. He has no movies planned. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's the thing. He's got nothing lined up. Don't know what's going on there. I hope he makes a movie. Same. I hope he makes another movie. Same. I don't know what's going on there uh i hope he makes a

movie same i don't know what's going on i mean you know people are more than uh more than free to take a break and do whatever they want with their lives but when we're making a silly list like this we need them to make movies so i i couldn't reasonably argue with your positioning here in fact you could make the case we're overrating him because... No, I don't think so because he won an Oscar for Judas and the Black Messiah. Nope was a relatively... It did well. Yeah, it did well. It wasn't a monster, but it did well.

Yeah, and I think most people don't feel as enthusiastic about it as you do, but he was clearly the draw of it and was one of the only actors opening like a big summer movie this year. That's a very good point. So. Couldn't put him above number two. No. That's Timothee Chalamet. So Timothee Chalamet was in Dune.

He was the star of Dune. Yeah. Dune part one. Mm-hmm. Which rocked. And. It's really good. Everybody loved it.

Yeah. And even though it opened in theaters alongside HBO Max, I think everybody will happily show up to the theater only for part two. I think Warner Brothers has got a huge part of their 23 slate pegged to this movie. He's also going to be in Bones and All in a few weeks, which is a cannibal drama co-starring Taylor Russell and Mark Rylance. Cool. I thought he was excellent in this movie. He's wonderful. He's this generation's Leo.

That's what it is. And he's also going to be Willy Wonka. Yeah. I will see on that one. Bobby, you in on Chalamet as Wonka? I think that's profoundly weird. I'm going to watch it, but what the hell? Who was sitting in a room and what room and who else was there where they were like,

we should probably do this, right? Wasn't there some controversy or discussion about like, is he an extra sexy Wonka? Or did they have to take the sex out of the Wonka? So like Willy Wonka who fucks. Yeah. But then I think that some people expressed some concern about, you know, the level of- Sexualizing Wonka?

Yeah. And then that became- I don't know. Maybe I just was reading some dumb parts of the internet. They're right to express concern, frankly. Okay. This is like when you guys

just didn't think that the genie could have a rewarding sex life. Would you, would you fuck Willy Wonka? I had no say in that. What? No. No?

No, I don't go for weird, as you know. Don't you? No, not that kind of, not like costumes, you know?

I think I would fuck Wonka. Okay. I love candy, you know? I think I would fuck Wonka. Okay. I love candy, you know? Just think of like a lifetime supply of candy. Oh, so you're just doing means to an end. Wow, that's really... That's dark. Transactional.

That is dark. That that was your instinctive reaction. Is it Gene Wilder or Chalamet? Or death? I think that you can... Well, I... Absolutely not. Okay.

You know what? I think I'm more interested in Wilder. Okay. That's a whole other podcast. Who's number one? Margot Robbie. Yeah. She probably should have

been number one last time or even the first time I think I made a case for it. But now she's number one. Even though her last film was Amsterdam

which was one of the most baffling experiences of my movie-going life and a total failure. She was good in it. She was fine. I liked her. I always like her, I guess.

I always like her. But again, I do not understand what was happening in that film. That's fine. She's going to be in Babylon. She is in Barbie, which Sean has deigned to be excited about. Thank you so much, Sean. She's the titular Barbie. Yeah, she's Barbie

and she's going to be in Asteroid City, the Wes Anderson film. That's as tight a slate as you can have. Yeah, plus, her producing career is legitimately

successful. She is 32 years old, which is astonishing just because of everything that she's accomplished. She's a big old honking superstar.

She's in, she's Harley Quinn. Is she still harley quinn did she have to she was in the james gunn the suicide squad and honestly she was great in it i know you don't care about those movies but like she is great in that part okay so she's kind of got it all she does everything she does like she just spins a wheel and it's like all right here's the next wonderful director i'm gonna star in their movie yeah but that doesn't always work i mean and it didn't work frankly with, with Amsterdam. But she consistently makes good choices.

And I think Amanda's point is right on, which is that she controls her fate in a way that some stars are not necessarily as good at. She's very impressive and fun to watch in movies. So kind of a no-brainer number one, honestly. I think I'm excited about Barbie. What's wrong with you? Just relax, all right? Barbie's going to be dope.

I'm so in. I'm ready to go to the theater. Let's go. I didn't say anything different. I'm so in. I'm ready to go to the theater. Let's go. I didn't say anything different. I felt, I feel pretty good about this list, but I felt like the exercise was just like you abandoning me on a couple of big picture islands that I just, we had built a space. Okay. You know?

And then you were just like, I'm thinking about that. And I was just like, the decisions were made. You've conflated my passion for Triple Frontier and Six Underground with a passion for Adria Arjona. Well, that's your mistake. Possibly. I mean, I don't know. I feel fine about it.

Also, once again, we had a whole conversation about this that you just don't remember because you don't value the time that we spent together. I just wasn't sleeping a lot, like at the end of 21 into 22, you know? I know. I'm just saying, I can't remember all these conversations. We talk a lot. Okay. This was a lot like at the end of 21 into 22 you know i know i'm just saying i can't remember all these conversations we talk a lot okay um this was a lot of talking bobby thank you so much for your work on today's episode and for your insights on kiki palmer and others here on the show yeah of course i'm happy to proselytize for kiki and thank you for all of your future insight on how

to bulk and cut my way to adonis hood. You're entering your Ken doll era. We got to get you bulked up before Barbie. I've got it all going, except none of the Ken traits that I need to be Ken. Later this week, we're talking about Black Panther Wakanda Forever. You have the hair a little bit. But not blonde.

Well, we could fix that. Dye job? Yeah. Platinum? That would be really funny. Should I go platinum blonde for my 41st birthday? For Barbie. Dude, we gotta get everybody

to the theater. But, okay, here's what... Like the Minions pose. If I do it, when it grows out, my hair will probably be gray. Like, that's something that happens when you dye your hair

as an older man and the hair grows in and then... Respectfully, you're like... I'm holding on. I'm holding on. It looks good. It's a dignified salt and pepper, or more like pepper and pepper situation.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's peppery. It's good. It's not gray. Right. And my father and my uncle, Kevin, were gray by 35. Okay.

Gray. You're holding on. And I turned to my wife the other night, this is a true story, and I was like, I just want you to know I crossed 40 and I didn't go full gray and she looked at me

and she said I'm proud of you yeah it's a true story it's your hair is one of your great powers thank you

and I it looks great but I just we should accept reality we're on the one yard line of gray we're just we're trying to punch it in

it's a good gray I'm reaching for the pylon but I haven't gotten there yet yet. Okay. We're under review. Okay. All right. This has been The Big Picture. Thanks so much to Bobby and Amanda. Thank you for listening to this very strange episode. We'll see you later this week with Black Panther Wakanda Forever. Thank you.