The Big Picture - The 2023 Movie Auction Returns!

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

At the halfway point of this year, we take a look at the movies yet to be released and hold an auction for the ones we’re most excited about. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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auctioning, which means Chris Ryan is here to auction with us. Hi, Chris. I'm back. What's going on, guys? Great to see you. It's been a while. Yep. We spent all weekend together, several days over this holiday weekend. I do think I over indexed on the big pic i know you do do you think i am meaning you've appeared too much or you've been listening too much well i do listen to the ones i'm not on okay so what do you mean do you think like i just become like i know that the third chair was like a really hotly debated thing i you know it's only been hotly debated by those of us who believe you are not doing the work that is required that Amanda and I put in and Bobby, of course, on a regular basis to be the hosts of this show. The host?

Well, the third chair would be like, I'm the third chair on the rewatchables quite often. We've discussed this. Yes. Where you're just like, I just show up and I just make a lot of jokes people love. I'm just like, blimps, let's get rid of them, you know? And then my work is done. Okay. And that is your role in this show at times.

Sure. You fire off some takes. But I don't have to go see Elemental, for instance. Right. I invited Chris to come see Elemental with me at 10.15 tomorrow morning. He declined. You renew your interest in animation, the both of you. Right. Yeah. Or I renew my interest in following the spreadsheet assignments that you give me at 2 a.m. Then I showed the spreadsheet to Chris and we had a lovely time dissecting your psyche. But she asked me if I would see Elemental and I said, why would I do that? I wouldn't recommend it. Okay. But I think it's interesting that Amanda will now be forced to go alone, which I enjoy. How are you feeling about auctioning? You're in a weird headspace and I just want to start it right now. Am I? Yeah. I mean,

we were talking and I was trying to share some, you know, pop culture learnings that I had from the weekend about the television show and Just Like That and podcast advertising. And you didn't want to engage with me. And then you read some old tweets at me. And I just that's that seems like a weird start to this exchange of ideas and optimism about the movie going experience. I want you to know that this marks a new era for you and me. Is that after Primal Fear, I was really worried that you were going to retire. Yeah, I'm still considering it. I want you to think of me as like, I'm swaddling you now.

This is friendship. This is companionship. This is friendship. This is companionship. This is support. And I will not be participating in Amanda's barbs anymore. I'm glad you brought it up. I'm glad you brought it up. I was trying to share

with Sean. Amanda doesn't know how to show love, at least to me. She does. Her natural instinct is when I'm feeling vulnerable is to attack

more aggressively. That is true. And I don't understand it. And I have been evaluating it a little bit. I've been evaluating how I found myself in this wonderful circumstance, working with my friends, new friends, young colleagues like Bobby Wagner.

We have these incredible relationships sitting with you and Bill on Friday. What a joy. What an absolute pleasure. But simultaneously to that experience, and I realize this is my own design and my own problem. I'm just getting told I'm a fucking idiot publicly. You invited Mallory on the podcast with me, you know, and I think we forgot our power together and it was really beautiful. I know I was there. It was like watching the ring video.

I was on the receiving end of almost all of it. And I just, you know, Mallory and I shared an office for many years. It's something that can't be unlearned. I had forgotten it. And I'm sorry, I sensed weakness. And that was unfair. I'm not responsible for what happened on Primal Fear. It was a culmination of a series of weeks of struggles. I don't think the Primal Fear thing was like in and of itself that big of a deal. That was low stakes. Yeah. But I think that you were like,

I can't do this anymore. Bill, as he so often does, I think really just summarized it quite clearly. He's like, you're on a year-long losing streak and you need to

shut the fuck up. And let Chris talk about Bud Light. Right, right. Which, you know, in many ways, not wrong, you know. I'm not saying

anybody's wrong. Yeah, no, I know. I'm just saying this is a fickle medium. I've got my eye on you and I've got my ears open to you and if I feel like you are teetering I'm gonna come and I'm gonna pick you up that's why I love you guys here's the thing about this unfortunately we have the most aggressive style of episode that we make here on the show happening this afternoon yeah does this have to be aggressive though it kind of does I was going back through these and I think that this is when chaos really got introduced to this podcast

in a hardcore way. I think you're right. And it's where just like my understanding of finance and economics is questioned. Everybody's taste

is lambasted. Yep. And there's really no accountability because after the fact it's not like you win an auction. You know what I mean? Well,

you can win the voting but that doesn't... But even when we do auctions, we're not like, oh, and then look back and say like, boy, I kicked ass on that one. It's just like, well, we just yelled at each other. I'm glad you mentioned that and we will come back to that. Before we dig too deeply into what our last auction was

and what this one will be, I did want to just say that Alan Arkin, the great actor, passed away last week. We were not recording an episode, so we did not get a chance to acknowledge it. 89 years old, four-time Oscar nominee.

He won an Oscar for his work in Little Miss Sunshine. One of the most reliable and enjoyable character actors of all time. We just talked about the in-laws on this pod

when we did a three-way movie swap, which is one of the funniest movies in the 1970s. Interesting to look at his 1970s where he was basically a full-blown movie star. That obviously shifts quite a bit as we get into the 80s and 90s and he starts taking on more character parts. But I was wondering, Amanda,

if you have a favorite Alan Arkin performance. Minions, The Rise of Gru. No, I'm just kidding. The In-Laws is a new one for me, but that was the first thing that jumped to mind because I had such a blast watching that for the first time. He's also very good in Argo, which I feel is an underrated film. Argo, fuck yourself, of course. But yeah, I mean, Little Miss Sunshine, I feel like is showing up, but it's a rewatchable sometime because Bill likes it so much. But he's very good in that. Is that a rewatchable for you?

No, but I didn't dislike it. And he's very charming. And it also kind of starts his reintroduction to a later generation which is probably how i come to him before i came to him with the the 70s comedies just because of my age he i i'm i have a feeling i know what yours is chris but i will say for me he became well known as a guy who would show up for six minutes in comedies I liked. Like, So I Married an Axe Murderer, Gross Point Blank, Dr. Oatman, Gross Point Blank.

Yes. That might have been the first thing, but I think my favorite and the way I was introduced to him is as George Arnaud in Glenn Carrington. That was what I thought you were saying. Gestapo tactics! Gestapo tactics! Also, I feel like there's a big reconsideration going on for Mike Nichols' Catch-22 in the last couple of years. And he plays Yossarian, obviously, the protagonist of that story.

And he's great in the movie, even if the movie is a little bit rickety. If people haven't seen that, I highly recommend it. You've seen Freebie and the Bean? I have no idea. No, I've never heard of it before. Oh, this is a movie you would really like. 1974, James Caan and Alan Arkin are extremely immoral police officers. Oh. idea no i've never heard of it before this is a movie you would really like 1974 james conn and um alan arkin are extremely immoral police officers oh just check it out some car chases

some uh freebie in the bean freebie in the i'm gonna put new to you yeah completely new i've never heard of this movie it's very exciting i can't wait um god bless the dead arkin with an incredible career he's given us so much the. Let's go back to what we were discussing earlier. So let's recap the movies that we got when we did this in January. Yeah. Because it sets the stage

for what I think will be a slightly awkward auction this time around. So for me, I got, we each get five movies and I'll run through the rules shortly. But I got Mission Impossible

Dead Reckoning Part 1. We are on the eve of that film's release. Shortly thereafter, I also got Oppenheimer, which is coming out later this month. I got the movie Air, which was good, I would say. Not great, but good. Ferrari, which I'm pretty sure is coming out this year and maybe one of us will be seeing it at a film festival. We shall see. Yeah. Chris, yes.

Chris, you going to a film festival? In Amanda's luggage, yeah. And then, of course, I got Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, which is my favorite movie of the year so far. Yeah. Amanda, what did you get in the last auction? I got a little film called Killers of a Flower Moon. New trailer.

I didn't watch it, actually, because I have not read the book. And I mean, I have a sense of what's going on, but I just want to go in with sight unseen. Can we just... Well, I'll wait. I'll wait until we get to Chris's movie to go in with sight unseen. Can we just... Well, I'll wait. I'll wait until we get to Chris's movies to piggyback on that thought.

Killers of the Flower Moon. Barbie. Mm-hmm. Coming soon. Amen. Napoleon. Ridley Scott's Napoleon starring Joaquin Phoenix.

Leave the World Behind, the Sam Asimov film starring Julia Roberts, among others. And Blitz, the Steve McQueen film. Don't know if Blitz is coming. You think it is?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. I'm not sure. My films were as follows. Maestro the Bradley Cooper auteur effort to document the life of

Leonard Bernstein. The killer David Fincher's hitman movie with Michael Fassbender Dune part two new trailer dropped Challengers trailer dropped Havoc might not

exist. I can't say for sure on Havoc or Blitz I'm not I've drafted Havoc like three times I have been wondering that too about other films on our list and I also had Havoc at like the top of my want list for this one like I don't know why

but like I'm surprised that if it's a Netflix movie if it's coming out that there hasn't been like an image released from it or something it is a bit curious but it's low stakes relative to some of their bigger releases. I have a couple of things I want to address about the films in our last auction.

I too did not watch the Killers of the Flower Moon trailer, Amanda. I feel like I'm good. I saw what I needed to see with the first teaser. It got me over the moon hyped for it. That's its job. I don't want to know anything else. Okay. I don't even want to see any more images that I feel

like would be wasted ahead of time. Yeah, that's a good one. The same is true for Dune Part 2 because there was a teaser for that film and then they just released

a three-minute trailer and I got 80 seconds into that trailer and I was like, too much, too much. I don't want to see all this. As soon as I saw Elvis in all that white makeup, I was like, I actually don't even want to, I don't want to hear his voice. I don't want to go all this. As soon as I saw Elvis in all that white makeup,

I was like, I actually don't even want to, I don't want to hear his voice. I don't want to go any deeper than I have to, which is unusual for me. Oh, Baron. We got to go get Paul out in this desert. Was he using that voice? Did you finish it?

He did. Yeah, that's in the second minute of the trailer. I see. Interesting. But this is an anticipatory act that we're doing with these auctions. We're trying to get people hyped up and ourselves hyped up for these movies. And yet I'm feeling like they're putting too much of the movies into the movies. It's always a conundrum.

It's tough. I will just say that Martin Scorsese makes really good fucking trailers. And the Tickle Hoes of Malibu trailer. Well, I've read the book, so I was like a little bit more. And I just was really like, I want to see Plemons say something. Yeah. So. And he did. He does, and it's cool. That's great. I've read the book so I was like a little bit more and I just was really like I want to see Plemons say something yeah so and he did he does and it's cool

that's great I'm excited for him I'm excited for his wife Kirsten Dunst they recently celebrated their one year anniversary congratulations guys one year?

of being married but they've been together for a while yeah yeah yeah that's cool do you think they have like a copulation anniversary as well

the first time they got it on that's good you should ask Jesse Plemons and Kirsten Dunst when you interview them why don't you Do you think they have like a copulation anniversary as well? The first time they got it on. That's good. You should ask Jesse Plemons. Yeah. When you interview them, why don't you? That's actually, we replaced that as the last question. When you consummated your relationship, what did you do to mark that day? Wickerman ceremony?

I wanted to ask you about Mattel, the toy company. Okay. There was an article in the New Yorker over the weekend about the future of Mattel in Hollywood. And Barbie, of course, is a Mattel product. And Barbie is a hotly tipped adaptation of Mattel IP. Sure. And there was a lot of discussion in that story about Greta Gerwig's future. And there were some chilling quotes from the UTA agent, Jeremy Barber,

in particular. Great quote. I'm going to find a few of those. I have some actually, I talked about this on the watch. So I have these all at my fingertips if you'd like me to read them. Feel free in your best Jeremy Barber voice. First of all, Greta and I, just Jeremy Barber speaking, not me. Greta and I have been very consciously constructing a career. Her ambition is to be not the biggest woman director, but a big studio director. And Barbie was a piece of IP that was resonant to her. So that's just to set the scene. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think that's what agents ought to be saying.

Big studio jobs generate more revenue and income. And agents are connected to the income of their clients. I understand that. And frankly, I want talents like Greta Gerwig working in the studio system with strong budgets. As do I. Here's the one that sort of sets the table for the conversation I bet you want to have. Quote, is it a great thing that our great creative actors and filmmakers live in a world where you can only take giant swings around consumer content and mass-produced products, he said.

Quote, I don't know, but it's the business, so it's what people will consume, then let's make it more interesting, more complicated, he wondered aloud, whether such directors as Hal Ashby and Sidney Pollack would be making movies with Mattel if they were alive today. Quote, it's a super interesting question. It's also an argument that we've lost already.

So. Why are you guys looking at me as if I did this? I'm not. Like, yeah, no shit. And all your little superhero toys are the reason that we have to do it. So don't come yelling at me. What do you want from me? I think actually you're the person with the bad attitude.

That was not the intention of this conversation. It's because you both just read lashing out. You both just read a bunch of quotes to me. He had read them. So I was reading to you as if you were my audience. Okay. It wasn't like

because you needed to hear the hard truths about Barbie. I have to defend the fact that they made a movie for women. I don't know. Why do we have to do this?

Not at all. No, that's not the point. The point of the article is that Hot Wheels is next and that there's more in the Mattel branding. It has nothing to do with being a female director.

They're working on a way to spin up an Uno story. Sure. Yeah. The point is... I'm thinking through like what the... Yeah.

I mean, if you come up with an idea, you shouldn't say it on this podcast. You should get that bag from Mattel. That's fair enough. Based on the like 45 projects

they have in development, it feels like they're really tapping all the drums. There's some stuff in there also about the making of Barbie and this guy who's the chief operator or chief content officer or something of mattel spending a lot of time on set and having like six hour conversations about a line of dialogue in the movie and stuff like that which is it was ever thus and like studio executives have been giving notes since

the beginning absolutely whatever but it's like because like a lot of it is like how do we protect the brand um the the like it's a super interesting question it's like, how do we protect the brand? Um, the, the, like, it's a super interesting question. It's also an argument that we've lost already is like, that's dark. That's grim. That is, it has nothing to do with Barbie. To me,

it was more like part of my bad attitude over the last few months has been, I was really sick. I'm really, I had a lot going on in my life. I'm really stressed, but the, the, what was going on here and what the movies have been

in the last six to 12 months have felt considerably more this than what's inside this story than they had to me previously. So let me throw out the counter, which is this argument that I, not an argument, it was a conversation I had

with my wife last night, which was essentially like, what's the difference between Barbie and Jurassic Park? And the idea that Jurassic Park was like instantaneously commodified into toys and lunchboxes and everything else. One was working in one direction, the other was working in the other that Jurassic Park was like instantaneously commodified into toys and lunchboxes and everything else. One was working in one direction

and the other was working in the other. Jurassic Park was a story that was then spun out. It started as a novel. Barbie does not have a story. They knew when they were making that movie they even joke about it in the movie with the merch in the movie that this was going to become a multi-dimensional revenue generator for

the studio. Absolutely, absolutely yeah they brought dinosaurs to life right but the same was true for most any event driven you know idea but they always started with the story and the idea first and this is we're up we're obviously we've been discussing this for months now on the show because of the wave of product oriented ip that has dominated this year so starting with the product, especially when the product does not actually have a story inherently tied to it, I think is more complicated and we're right to be a little bit more cynical about it. I was just making a devil's advocate argument. If you listen to The Watch, me and Andy both just like slitter. It's just really grim, you know? And

I don't even think it's like, oh, well, how could Jeremy Barber say that? I mean, who knows better than someone who's making the deals against these projects? Like it's, it's very valid. My big takeaway was I wish agents would talk more on stories like this. That's the other thing that's interesting about the story is, is the talent doesn't talk that much. There's only a handful of quotes from Gerwig and Margot Robbie. And there are a lot of quotes from the people who work at Mattel and who work on the sort of like deal-making aspect of the industry because the industry is run by the products and the deal-making. And it always has been to your point about producers and studio executives getting involved, but it feels a little bit more capricious these days. And it's tough. It's really,

it's not ideal for especially the kind of mainstream studio filmmaking to be bound by this. On the other hand, based on the way that we auctioned last time, there's not a ton of IP, so to speak, on the horizon for us in the second half of this year that I think we would even consider interesting. Yeah. Is it fair to say that? Like, when you look at what we have, like, when you look at your shortlist that you made, Amanda, is there a lot of IP on there? Absolutely not. I mean, there's nothing. But that, again, is like personal preference and me deciding that I want to auction things I'm interested in

rather than whatever the hell Blue Beetle is. Right. You know, which I don't know what that is. How much for you? $900? Yeah. $97. No. I don't know what that's a testimony to.

There are, of course, some IP projects in the second half of the year. In the second half of the year, you know, more awards-themed stuff, slightly more, a slightly tonier level of release. But but and we did grab a bunch of things that are still coming but i don't know what that what that represents that there's just maybe some of it is that some of these studios are in a state of uh redefinition you know that the marvel and dc brands are going through these complicated moments that we don't have a jurassic park movie that we don't have a harry potter movie that we don't have a handful of things we did expect, that we already had a Transformers movie. But what we're going to be talking about here,

hopefully, is a lot of original stories in this auction. A lot of movies that I think that we would be like... So I feel like we got the big ones out of the way in the first part of the auction. And now it's like personal taste. And it's also like directors were really interested in, stars were really interested in, kinds of genres that don't often get talked about anymore. I just hope these movies come out. One of the things that was difficult about researching was this, was like there's just not a lot of release dates attached to a lot of these smaller films.

And it's unclear as to whether they're coming out this year or whether or not like a lot of them don't have trailers yet. I suppose it can all happen very fast and it can be like festival and these things are out and everything. But I was like kind of getting nervous where I was like, I'm not seeing a single November 2023. Like if you look at the literal like Metacritic,

Rotten Tomatoes, like official release date schedules, it seems like 27 movies are coming out for the rest of the year. That obviously is subject to change. But it was a little bit unnerving. Why do you think that is? Well, I think a little bit is the kind of tail-ended pandemic slowdown. They are parceling things out slightly differently. I think there's sort of like the domino effect with the big movies of every, you know, all the studios are trying to parcel out like you get this weekend, you get this weekend. Like, you know, I think Barbie versus Oppenheimer is good

for this podcast and, you know, good for, I suppose, and for Tom Cruise, like posing in front of movie posters. But I don't think they want to be doing that with all of their major theatricals because they're eating into each other's business. They used to, but now it feels like it is resorted. I don't think they want to do that. And then for smaller movies, I think they're still figuring out release strategies and where they want to put things, what's going to be the... Trying as they can to be nimble, which I don't blame them,

but it is confusing. I agree. There's also, what's like the last couple of festivals? You did Sundance. You did, like, is it what's... I didn't go to Tribeca or South by this year. I'm going to Telluride in August. So I just, most of the time, usually at this time of year,

a lot of the movies that were hyped for their coming out in the next six months have been, a lot of them have been seen at festivals already and this time i don't i haven't heard a single peep about a lot of these movies and some of them i'm like i'm not even sure if this is finished i'm not sure if this was shot yet is there anything in particular that you want to cite without necessarily giving away the ghost on the auction because I there's some movies where you're like base I basically have had conversations with publicists or folks who I know like this is good like this is coming out it's just not dated and then there are others where you're right there are somewhere we're just like is this has this been shot I don't know I'm not sure you know

what here's like a random one that that is like I doubt it will even get auctioned but it's a movie called the gorge which is a Scott Derrickson movie. Scott Derrickson obviously did Sinister and Black Phone. And it stars Miles Teller and Anya Taylor-Joy. So I assume, and it's on Apple, I assume will eventually like that will come out. But it is not like dated. And but it seems like it's a genre movie directed by a very successful filmmaker

starring two relatively well-known movie stars and i just haven't gotten a sense at all as to whether it's coming out this year or next year is it it's always helpful to look at when the film started shooting right in this case it started shooting in march of 2023 very unlikely it will come out this year yeah very unlikely because even if it's a 30-day shoot post these days takes months yeah so i would guess that would be like a spring 2024 you're probably right but that's that is on a lot of anticipated 2020 right right right yeah i don't know it's a funny one i mean you know this year i feel like dune 2 for the second half of the year that's probably the most anticipated movie of the year

barring the july stuff right and killers of Moon. Yeah, but just from like a box office perspective. Sure, yeah. Saving the industry, blah, blah, blah. Right, right, right. Sure. And after that, I mean, what other ones do we even get

in the last option? Well, Maestro and The Killer are both Netflix movies, right? Right. So they hold a different kind of weight. They both might be phenomenal. It's not a judgment on them.

Napoleon could be a big movie. It's a little hard to tell. They're partnering with, I want to say, is it Universal that they're partnering with to release it or Paramount? say, is it Universal that they're partnering with to release it or Paramount? I can't recall which studio

they're teaming up with to get that out in the world. But that's going to be on thousands of screens, which is exciting. But yeah, I mean, Ferrari, is that a huge box office play?

Does it have a release date? No. I think it will come out this year because I think it's going to play the festivals, but we'll see. Specifically an Italian festival? Old man Ferrari.

Okay. So that means that in theory, we're going to have to explain what the movies are, I think, a little bit more. As best we can. I mean, as Chris said, they're not trailers. They're just kind of log lines and things we're reading from the internet. This is our speculative fiction about quality movies. Here are the rules for the auction.

If this is your first auction, you're going to be pretty confused as to what we're talking about. But each bidder among the three of us gets $1,000 of fake money. There are many strategies. There are many schools of bidding. Yes. You have employed all of the ones that are weird so far. I've swung between the poles of economic thought.

And where are you? Are you in a sort of a Keynesian mode right now? I've been liaising a lot with Jerome Powell about what I should do this time. I see.

Rates are high. Cash is expensive right now. We're underwater a little bit. Who's we? My holding company. Your teams? Yeah.

I see. Okay. You do have a team. You have a team of analysts working on your behalf. My models are proprietary, though. What do you think I do to fill the rest of my time

besides the big picture? I know. Why do you think Bobby is in such good shape? It's because he's constantly crunching numbers. Exactly. Abacus only, though.

Yeah. Well, that explains it. I was thinking if you ever had a production company, it should be called Crisis Suite Productions. That's pretty good. What do you think of that? That is good. That is good. Hold on to that. Let me just go to, it should be called Crisis Suite Productions. That's pretty good. What do you think of that?

That is good. That is good. Hold on to that. Let me just go to Mattel and see what Crisis Suite could do with some inanimate objects. Each film on our slate has to have a 2023 release date or a strong understanding that it's coming out in this year. So we're going to get into a woolly area.

Slate must total five movies. Bidders open with each new title in a snake fashion you have 30 seconds are we holding for 30 seconds here bobby to make a new bid i usually give you guys 40 ish because 30 is not not a lot to banter which is what people come here for well this is a probably the single hardest episode for you to corral uh twice a year yeah yeah definitely okay and movies that were previously auctioned off last year are once again eligible for future auctions.

There were a couple that went back on the board earlier this year. The only one that is back on the board that was auctioned off last year is Yorgos Lanthimos' Poor Things, which is,

in fact, coming out this year. It's dated for September 8th, I believe. And I will just say, historically, I think almost as a challenge to ourselves is that

if something is being released within the next like months to six weeks, we tend not to auction it off because it feels like it's already out. It almost like it had Oppenheimer somehow not been auctioned off. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think that like we would be like. It's a tough one, right? Because it usually means that one of the two of us has had a chance to see it.

Yeah. Yeah. That's the other thing I was going to say. If we've seen the movie, we're not allowed to auction it, right? I started doing that as like a general person's agreement. That's an honor system thing, I think. Yeah, I've seen a bunch of stuff that I would want to. It's tough.

It's really tough with this one because how many, let me just see how many I wrote down. I've seen six movies, three of which I probably would have bid on if I hadn't seen them. Alas, if I'm sitting them out, I'll tell them to you guys maybe at the end of this.

But if we're going to agree to do that, and Chris, you actually directed The Boys on the Boat. So that's not eligible for you. Is that right? Well, he was on the boat, so it was a documentary. Is it you or George Clooney?

Well, Clooney directed it, but I was sort of like, I AD'd it. Stunt coordinator. Yeah. Okay. Stileski. How do we decide who goes first?

Is it the same as usual? Yeah, we just have a little wheel here. I don't have my Top Gun hat here, guys. Sorry. You fucked up on your journey. Bobby Wagner's still here in person going on week two. Yeah, week number two. I survived the first week.

Do you love LA, Randy Newman style? Yes. I loved LA at the Dodgers game on week two. Yeah, week number two. I survived the first week. Do you love LA, Randy Newman style? Yes. I loved LA at the Dodgers game on Monday night. Sean, you are proposing a movie first. Okay. And second will be... I've never actually seen The Wheel. I've won twice in a row.

I've won twice in a row. This happens more than you think. And Amanda will be going second. Okay. And Chris will be going third really quickly but for Yorgos Lanthimos'

movie Poor Things we did it previously where you could keep it if you wanted it for an extra $100 tax

that's right so who had it last time so I had it at the end of last year but does that $100 opportunity

disappear if you let one cycle go by I let it go last year. I let it go last year. But we're not like, Killers of the Flower Moon is not available to Amanda for an extra $100, right? Okay. Correct.

You can't hold the slate from this year because you already have it. You already have it on your full year slate. Okay. So it's eligible until it comes out. So you go first. Very simply, for $1, I will start with probably my most anticipated movie out of a festival this year which is jonathan glazer's the zone of interest for one dollar

for one dollar because i want to get the convo going okay r.i.p martin amos r.i.p martin amos did we not mention that on this pod this year i think we did because we were talking martin amos died the same weekend that this movie debuted at Cannes. Isn't that correct? Yes, when we were all in London. So I think we were talking about

Oh, that's right. Yes. It was actually he passed away during the Big Picture Live. We don't know if it was during.

Well, a guy came up to me right after Sure, yes. I was just with Martin Amis and he expired. Okay. I'll do $5.

$5. Would you say you were greatly anticipating this film? Yeah, absolutely. A close friend of this show has seen it and was raving about it, and I trust that person's opinion. I'm a big fan of Jonathan Glazer. I recently rewatched Under the Skin

after I watched Sexy Beast for whatever, a garbage lad's purposes. You did it just for the nudes, you know, right? Just for the nudes. I'll go $8 just to keep chatting. $8? Yeah.

This is disrespectful. I will wager $60. Okay. Okay. This will probably be a harrowing, fucked up experience. Yep.

Although I hear not in the way that you think. I'll tell you there's a, is it Hannah Arendt's phrase? The banality of evil? Yeah. That has been, that's phrase, the banality of evil? Yeah. That has been, that's emanating over the aura of this film. Do you think it will be an awards contender?

Oh, most certainly. I'll do 75. Okay. Very exciting. So Sandra Holler is the star of this movie. She is the star of another film that was a can that may come up here in conversation. Because it won the Palme d'Or. Won the Palme d'Or. It won the Palme d'Or.

Right. Should we say that film? I don't know if either of you were planning. That film actually falls into a category of film that we love and that we are celebrating

on the rewatchables this month. The courtroom drama. Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say Garbage Fish. I was like, I'm listening.

Huh, didn't know about that. Bart Namus' entry in the Garbage Fish canon. Can I just say about, I have 75 right now. 10 seconds. I'm really dis, 90. I'm really dismayed at the lack of public enthusiasm for Presumed Innocent.

I voted. I never voted. I voted as well. And I just, I kind of think everyone has terrible taste. I'll say $100 for Zone of Interest. So, I feel like that vote on Twitter for the sixth film in the entry

was precipitated by a note that I sent to Bill, which I don't mind sharing on the show right now, which is that my wife, Eileen, was quite surprised

to learn that courtroom month was not originally conceived to include Liar Liar. Yeah. This is so funny because I

I hope she said that. I brought it up with her yesterday and she was like really wanted to have a conversation about liar liar well what i said was when we were 15 when that movie came out we were in the prime of our movie going years and that summer when that movie came out i think it was in the summer 110 it was like the movie going event that year it was the summer of men in black sure and it was the summer of Men in Black. Sure. And it was the summer of The Lost World, Jurassic Park 2. And the third highest grossing movie of that year was Liar Liar. Yeah.

It was a big fucking deal. And you were in college probably. So maybe not as big a thing. Eileen also sort of had this conversation with me. And I was just like, I think this might be our age gap showing. And I walked away. But not in a mean way. I was just like, I have to go get your daughter.

Fuck you, Eileen. Goodbye. We weren't chasing children. But she was like way I was just like I have to go get your daughter fuck you Eileen goodbye we were chasing children I was fucking partying do you understand that 120 do you think that it's as good as it was I haven't seen it

I know I haven't either she's like do you remember seeing it it was like Eileen was like unusually she was like it's like Lawrence of Arabia

I'm like is she getting a check from the liar liar I don't know I had to tell her too I was like I don't think I'm gonna be on she getting a check from the liar liar? I don't know. I had to tell her too. I was like, I don't think I'm going to be on it either way. So will you listen if it's like Bill and Van talking about liar liar for two hours?

She might. I don't know. I'm not really sure. Okay. So I'm at 120 with this. 125. You're not going to wager. I like to like save it, save it up a little bit here.

I'm really excited for this movie. This is a weird one. I'm excited about it'm really excited for this movie this is a weird one I'm excited about it too I'm not this is a weird one to get aggressive about it's like YES

I'M NOT ZONE OF INTEREST that's why I'm like I don't know I'm looking forward to seeing it you're goddamn right uh you don't spike the football

in Zone of Interest yeah no no you don't you quietly elegantly explain it's power I'm so

so relieved to be drafting third because I feel like I often draft first in these and then I'm like, $800? $130. $140. We need to put the big clock on the board. Yeah, you want me to put it up there? Can we put it up there?

That actually would make this more fun. Wow, this is exciting. I don't need that. You're like the quarterback in the hall. I'm fucking Chris Paul. The shot clock is always going. I was I don't need that. This is exciting. I don't need that. You're like the quarterback in the hall. No, I'm fucking Chris Paul. The shot clock is always going. I was going to say my homes would be really...

I also know how to like roll the ball up the court, you know, to just shave off a couple seconds there. Yeah. Do you feel like you're at the height of your

podcasting powers? Right now? Yeah. No. It's become different. I think it's like I'm in a different space right now.

Tell us more about that space. I think I's like I'm in a different space right now. I don't know what that means. Tell us more about that space. I think I was more a pure host before. Okay. Aha. You know? And now you're... And now I have lots of different hats I wear.

Okay. Tell us more about this hat. This is a hat from a local Los Angeles menswear store called Brother Brother. I did actually wonder about that. No, this is not a platform for you to get free shit.

Where is it? I'm not on Washington. If you want to do that, you do it on your own show. Do you know, down... Amanda, do not encourage this. If you want to get free stuff, that's fine.

If Chris is not acquiring new articles of clothing or... I'm happy to pay for my shit. It's cool. I'm just saying that... I just wanted to know about Chris's shopping. You have to understand

that my only goals in life are to get Chris to talk more about clothes or cooking on this podcast. And working out as well. Nothing makes him more nauseated than me talking about cooking. Who holds the bet? I think I have it at 130, right?

No, I did 140. Amanda did 140. Would you like to get the clock up on the board? Well, no, that was like a dream you had. A lot of challenges right now. We can stop down real quick if you want me to try to get it up. Steve Ballmer.

You're like, I'd love to have a big picture of me right in front of me. And they're like, okay, Mr. Ballmer, we'll get that. Let's stop down. I would like,

I think it would be more fun actually if we knew what the time was. Well, I feel like Paul Tagliabue with the NFL Draft because we've got the timer on the big board and the pick is in 150 for the zone of interest for me. Okay, so now it starts over. Now you're just twirling hair and looking up at the sky.

So you have 150 right now? Yeah. 160. The last time we did this another palm door contender triangle of sadness i got a little overheated for that movie and i ended up acquiring it and i saw it and i did not like it i think you also you liked it more than you do you say you did what the fuck i think that like that one got thrown in the idol zone where it was like it was like oh no no no you were like

you were you were sort of subservient to the discourse around it no sir no that's not one that does not happen two and i watched you attempt to dance through the rings of fire that was the idol and fail which you never fail and you failed on this one and i that actually isn't true you haven't you haven't heard the last watch podcast yet he just recorded it that's true maybe you zag I believe I believe in Chris's ability to land the plane I also

really enjoy I did I did I did come up with the film I came up with a really good great great I was basically like I wanted more idle 160 Amanda the zone of interest

once that was that was where you went with that you needed more of that yeah I needed more so that they could more fully like okay how hard

did you have to brainstorm on that to get there last night it hit me last night like 1040 I know but I your brainstorming was really a beautiful thing to witness

in real time thank you at our barbecue it's really funny like I really that actually was not my experience with Triangle of Sadness at all. I think there were probably,

there have been of course times where the discourse or whatever the hype affects my expectation or experience of a movie. But that was one where I really wanted to like it because I loved Ostland's previous three movies. And I don't know, I thought it was just kind of, kind of a simpleton's approach to a very obvious subject matter

that had been done way better in the 70s. But anyway, nevertheless, you've got zone of interest you just gave up i just got confused and i thought putting the number on the board would have helped me but it actually worked against me so you guys didn't realize the system you guys didn't realize how much leniency i was giving you guys maybe but maybe he effectively distracted me by accusing me of something and in an attempt to draw away from this idolatry that you've been practicing for the last five weeks, you have no regrets.

I don't. I would much rather have a movie, a show that fails that way than like a mid-show that's just completely uninteresting. I agree with that sentiment, but that does not excuse the failures of that show. Everybody is like, oh, it was a failure.

I hated it. And everybody finished it. Not me. Except is like, oh, it was a failure. I hated it. And everybody finished it. Not me. Except for Amanda. Yeah, but I will finish. She's the only person in America who didn't finish The Idol. I will finish The Watch. Recapping. Did we get the ratings on that one? The Idol? On the finale? I think they're waiting. Because it's such big news, they're waiting

for it to happen. I'm sure it'll be Friday at 4 o'clock. I would guess. Okay, Amanda, I believe you... Oh, did Trump get indicted again? Let's flip this out. Sure. For $20, I will...

What do I... Am I submitting? What's the verb I use here? Nominate. I nominate Priscilla, written and directed by Sofia Coppola. 20 bucks, you said? Mm-hmm. I'm pretty into Jacob Elordi.

Yeah? So I'm going to go... Hard to believe. I'm, you said? Mm-hmm. I'm pretty into Jacob Elordi. Yeah? So I'm going to go... Hard to believe. I'm going to go 30 bucks. Okay. From the guy who brought you I Love The Idol. The all-time

most... Sorry to Jacob if he's listening. Fucking boring My 10 Essentials GQ videos. He was literally absolutely like, I need air

and water and heat and cool air. it's just like sneakers very tall forty dollars he's very tall yeah and has real presence and so he is playing elvis in a movie about elvis's wife yes so he just kind of gets to be on the side just being like, I like air, which is probably a great place for him. I trust Sophia. Big year for him too. Big year for him. Because Euphoria is coming back? No, because he's also in another film this year that might get auctioned. Oh yeah. I'll go $80. I also enjoy the work of Sophia Coppola. I did watch this trailer, which I thought was quite good. I did as well. I mean, this is

like perfect Sophia, which is taking on like a mega iconography period piece, but through the eyes of a woman nearby. Or next to, as the case may be. She's my hero.

I hope to be seeing this at a film festival. Just putting that out there. I'll be sending some emails as soon as it's announced. Hello, A24. How are you? Yeah. Fantastic Fest. That's it.

So it's 90 right now. Amanda has 90. Correct. I would honestly give you $100,000 to go to a horror movie festival. Okay. 110. What's the movie? Are we just ramping up the price on you?

Because you have to have this movie. You can't walk away with not this movie I mean if you would like $150 okay $160

well then we know what we're doing here okay I can't in good conscience really bid for an Elvis movie though yeah so

oh that's right because you don't like Elvis right because you love the last one so much let me see if I can I hate Elvis I don't hate Elvis

whoa whoa I don't care about Elvis you have never cranked it to Elvis or Marilyn Monroe I never have you never even thought about it

with Elvis what about one of those Elvis and Margaret movies did you ever like think what's Elvis' best film performance probably Leaving Las Vegas

yeah never saw it couldn't give shit less don't you mean Viva Las Vegas sorry Viva Las Vegas leaving Las Vegas is Nicolas Cage's

greatest performance. Amanda has 160. 200. Okay. 201. 250. 251. That's fine.

Do you want to just bid $841 on it? Go ahead. I'm thinking about it. But then if you fucking sack on him, and you're just like, you got it. Well, if he bids 8 ahead. I'm thinking about it. But then if you fucking zag on him, and you're just like, you got it.

Well, if he bids $841, I can't take it. This is sort of the funny part about this list of films that we're probably pulling from is that there isn't the Maestro Oppenheimer

doomed to, like, I'll spend whatever it takes to get it. It's a lot of personal taste. That's the thing is, I mean, I know. Is this your favorite director? Non-Nancy Myers division?

Wow, don't make me choose between Sophia and Nancy. Well, that's one of her favorite filmmakers. Well, one of my favorite filmmakers, for sure.

I already said 251. Yeah, we're already at 251. Sophia Coppola, Nancy Myers, and Bennett Miller. Bennett Miller, the guy who made Leviathan.

Yeah. And Ben Wheatley post Meg 2. Yeah. James Gunn. James Cohen solo. I like James Gunn's movies. I don't. What did we say? Did I say $980?

$980. $280. No, $314. $315. You won't even let me say the number pi. Okay. Unfortunately. $338.

Who else is in this? Three... What did you say? Who's playing Priscilla? Yes, $338. Who's Priscilla in this movie? $339. What is the actress's name? Kaylee Spaney. Oh, 3.38. Who's Priscilla in this movie? 3.39. What is the actress's name?

Kaylee Spaney. Oh, yeah. That's right. What were we? Oh, you know who's in this movie? She was in Mary B's Town. Yeah, I know who you're about to say. Oh, that's in Corey Race, my bad.

Fucking Dagmara Domenchik. Yeah. Fuck. She did an anniversary post for her and Patrick Wilson the other day. I saw it. It was basically like, I love fucking my husband. It was actually quite awesome. I mean, her husband is Patrick Wilson.

So I get it. Like she truly is. She's in, she is truly. Do I have it right now? Yes. $339. Okay. $370.

She's just like, I was in succession and I was in this fucking city. That's my resume. She could retire. She was in The Lost Daughter. That's my resume. She could retire. She was in The Lost Daughter playing a pregnant bitch and it was awesome.

I was like, Eileen, I'm sorry, but I gotta go. What is it at? 375 for Amanda. 412. 413. You should have done 420.

It's not too late. 420..20. It's not too late. It's not too late for you. 4.20. 4.21. 4.21. Okay. Okay. 501.

I don't really like weed. Like the jeans. You wear 501s? I have a pair. Do you? I do. I don't. I don't really feel like you are a Levi's guy.

You're not really a jeans guy anymore. You wear dark jeans. So funny you say that. 502. I'm thinking about making a comeback with jeans. Interesting. What's your strategy? Bootcut, double RL, or rag and bone.

Those are my brands because they fit right. I'm wearing Levi's right now. The fit three for rag and bone? You're wearing Levi's right now? Yeah. You wear double RLs. I do. I really just did not expect rag and bone to come out of your mouth. But I'll're wearing Levi's right now yeah you wear double RLs I do I really just did not expect rag and bone

to come out of your mouth but I'll fucking wear Levi's I've been wearing rag and bone for a decade okay but not the shirts Sean invented rag and bone and the new masculinity

that's right the shirting and the sweaters are a hard no okay but the denim solid alright well there you go

what are we at 502 502 537 538 just if you're gonna do it website yeah i love politics and sets you're gonna do it do it do what if you're gonna take it take it my rag and bone jeans yeah well that's really funny if nothing else i got you to talk about your rag and bone who. Who made your pants? These pants, thanks so much for asking.

I got them in Sweden, in Stockholm. They're Hope. Do you know about Hope Stockholm? They just make unisex clothing. So I could wear those too. Yeah, these might even be your size. You should try them on right now. Just take off your pants.

576. 577. Just fucking give up or take me out one or the other if she winds up having Sophia and Zone of Interest

she's the clubhouse leader I mean you and I also haven't gotten any movies yet so we can't say I mean she would be the clubhouse leader because we don't have

a roster at all 6.12 I have to do math now 6.13 you're not gonna help me out with this. I'm not. I just, I think it goes against my principles. What are those?

That I don't care about anything related to Elvis. But what about Priscilla Presley's work in the Naked Gun franchise? She's great. I also love Riley Coe. So, like, I'm not, or Riley Keough. Like, I've heard it pronounced both ways. Just not by her that way, but I can't remember. You seem super confident.

Yeah. She's great. She's one of my faves. Because she... Is a wonderful actress and beautiful. I see. Yeah. All right.

I watched Daisy Jones. Did you watch that? Yeah, Daisy Jones. I watched the first four episodes. So good. Six, 70? Six, 71. Okay.

Let's go back to your principles. What comprises them? I still feel like there's a huge swath of American culture that were force-fed, that were told

is important. That the greatest generation is just like, when I got back from World War II, this was what we made and that's important. You know,

and I don't need Tom Brookaw to tell me what to like. Marilyn and Elvis are actually not resonant to me, and they never have been. $700. $701. So while I support Sofia Coppola and her cinema, and many of the people who are probably in this film, I would love to get a beer with Barack Obama style. You want to get a beer with Barack Obama? With Jacob Elordi, I would love to get a beer with, Barack Obama style. You want to get a beer with Barack Obama?

With Jacob Elordi, I'd love to get a beer with him. You, Jacob Elordi, and Barack Obama walk into a bar? I'll have the usual. What do you think Obama drinks these days? Like a G&T? No, I think he's like craft beer. 726 i don't know you're kind of being annoying how is that any different than any other day i know did you think that you were just going

to get persona and it was going to be seven whatever 727 okay sure it's yours thank you great just needed to get her over 700 you know that was that was I think I was before but you you jacked it up a little bit that's fine so CR it's time for you to nominate a film for a hundred bucks I'm going to throw the bike rider out there the bike riders sorry this is Jeff Nichols's new film um in fact I believe he took himself out of making the Quiet Place sequel so that he could concentrate on original work and do this movie, which features

almost every actor that's good is in this movie. Is Jacob Elordi in this? Mike Faced, who I just recently saw, almost totally nude, in Brokeback Mountain. The theatrical production of Brokeback Mountain. The theatrical production of Brokeback Mountain.

Tom Hardy. We've been without him for too long. And we're getting him back. I think Michael Shannon is in this, right? As he is in all. And Jeff Nichols is... You've forgotten a couple of critical people. One very special to you. Just Austin Butler.

He's in it as well, but not him. Your boy Boyd Holbrook. And Boyd Holbrook, that's right. One very special to you. Just Austin Butler. Yeah. He's in it as well, but not him. Your boy, Boyd Holbrook. And Boyd Holbrook, that's right. Do you want to do your backstory right now? You guys did a good job

of recounting it. It was just, I think what it was, it wasn't, first of all, I think it spoke to my storyteller inside that I was just immediately weaving narrative for his character in Dial of Destiny.

And also, somewhat disturbing that I was just like, immediately like, this vaguely racist, fascistic, short-sleeved asshole like, is the person who I was like,

let me like, write his tale. What do you think that says about you? Well, I just think I am keyed in on Boyd Holbrook. And that's like,

the thing. And so, I walked out and I was just basically like, why did Boyd Holbrook go along with the Nazis? Do you think it's because of X, Y, and Z? And that he was a KKK guy who met Mads Mikkelsen at the University of Alabama Roll Tide.

Sure. And then wound up joining his sort of entourage. Oh, 150. Okay. 175. I really enjoyed Boyd Holbrook's line reading of, Archimedes' tomb. That was really good.

It was really special when he had to say that, and he imbued it with a lot of truth. Let's talk about Jeff Nichols a little bit, because we've never talked about him on this podcast. No. Because he hasn't released a film in seven years. And that's weird, because he was so prolific in like sort of first half of his career. He really

was. I'll do $200 for this movie which I'm really excited about. He has made five features. Shotgun Stories, remarkable movie. Classic. Awesome movie. Wonderful movie. Take Shelter, phenomenal movie. Mud. Awesome movie. Very good. Awesome movie. Not as good as

I thought it was going to be after watching Shotgun Stories and Take Shot. Well, the next one is the one that you and I were like, let's fucking squirt baby oil all over this room and then it wound up being okay.

Let's go back to the baby. Did we do that? Metaphorically. We were jacked up about Midnight Special. You keep the Rag and Bone and Levi's off for that? Midnight Special,

speaking of which, trailer's better than the movie. Trailer is fucking amazing. I like Midnight Special. It has the Rag and Bone and Levi's off of that. Midnight Special, speaking of which, trailer's better than the movie. Trailer is fucking amazing. It has such a good cast. You did? Yeah. I don't think you were as lathered up

as he and I were. This is the problem of expectation. There was an era of movies... I was not involved in the video. Let's get that on the record.

No, neither was I, so I don't know where Chris was when this happened. But there was a movie like a style of movie

Super 8 is a movie like this to me it was Amblin Corps yes and that for whatever reason and also Starman shit like that

but the Starman was a huge inspiration on Midnight Special for sure but the like 2005 to 2015 2016

the wonders of the space in the world outside of us through the eyes of an 11 year old was seemed like a, like a lot of guys who were in their thirties refracting their experiences in the eighties. And we got, I mean, stranger things is that for sure. It is like a part of that movement that I guess is we've kind of moved on from in some ways, but, um,

I, I guess I need to revisit that movie I haven't seen it in a long time what do we have just so people know this movie I think Chris do you want to make a bet

Sean made 210 oh 250 sorry yeah I was just enraptured by your description of Jeff Nichols' career I didn't mean to blow it if I blew it

that's fine too no no no this is why I'm a lenient auctioneer 250 and I'll just give you the log line for this film it's set in 1968 and it follows follows the rise of a Midwestern motorcycle club through the lives of its members.

You should really do... Let me just go through this. You should read loglines as ASMR. So here's the... That's your next hat. Tom Hardy, Boyd Holbrook, Austin Butler, Michael Shannon, Jodie Comer, Carl Glusman, who you may know as Rob from The Idol, Norman Reedus.

No one knows that because no one got to episode four. Norman Reedus, who... Yeah, his favorite character on The Walking Dead. You cannot put a motorcycle movie out without having Norman Reedus, and he's one of our foremost motorcyclists. Mike Faced, who I mentioned I saw naked. Damon Harriman, who is... I'm letting you have Herriman, who is doing Injustified 300. Keep going, though.

Am I bidding against myself? Yeah, you're bidding against yourself. Oh, I have the movie. Yes, you have the movie. Damon Herriman, who everybody knows from Justified, but I just watched in Run, Rabbit, Run, the number one movie on Netflix, I think. Yeah, the Sarah Snook horror film.

And fucking Emery Cohen is in this movie. Yeah, yeah. This is huge for you. Emery Cohen, if you could transport your soul into another man's body, is it Emery Cohen? It was Emery Cohen in Brooklyn. And I was like, that's the guy. And then... Are you attracted to Emery Cohen?

Can you even picture his face in your mind's eye? Sort of. But it would not be a very good police sketch, you know? But I do remember his essence. He was wonderful

in Brooklyn with Saoirse Ronan. What about in The Gambler? The drug dealer in Hot Summer Nights. Oh yeah, that was really good. He wore the leather duster.

When we saw Hot Summer Nights and we were like, that movie was okay, it's bad, fake, good fellas, and then also pretended like we ignored

Timothee Chalamet completely. Yeah. We never had one conversation about him. And then he turned out to be the biggest movie star of his generation. And that's like his, that is literally his Boogie Nights movie. He's like in, yeah. Anyway, good.

I'm glad I got the bike riders. Do I go again? You do. Let's have fun. Let's go anyone but you. Okay. Good. Sidney Sweeney

and Glenn Powell fucking bringing the rom-com back single well not single-handedly because it's two of them both handily and

incredible winter for Glenn Powell are throwing a lot of heat as a pair of people who may also be dating other people sure

but are suggesting and this is one of the old old plays we love to draw up in the sand. Yeah. It's been a great playbook and they executed it perfectly. We made a romantic movie together and we might be dating. Right. And we had a lot of

paparazzi photos. My boyfriend unfollowed me on Instagram kind of shit. And I'm here for it. These two, they're the best we got right now. I'm not sure if we're ready to confirm that, but I'm very excited it. These two, they're the best we got right now. I'm not sure if we're ready to confirm that, but I'm very excited about this movie. The Sony Pictures Entertainment chairperson?

Tom Rothman. Tom Rothman was on the IndieWire podcast recently and proclaiming the necessity and profundity of movie stars. He, of course, was in part helping release No Hard Feelings, a movie that Amanda and I liked quite a bit. This is very much in keeping

with a similar strategy. Now, Sony, of course, does not have a streaming service output that they own. So they are making movies for movie theaters in old school fashion.

Anyone but you could be amazing. Or, it could be friends with benefits yeah yes exactly which is to say not disastrous but you walk out and you're like that was a film let's go eat a taco friends with benefits also sort of ruined your life for a while right why oh because of gq yeah uh because justin timberlake played the like editor GQ.com at the time when Sean Pennessey was the editor. Did you see Friends with Ben and Food?

Yeah, of GQ.com. Did I ever say that to you? You did, yeah. No, I didn't. And then I dumped you in a trash can. Leave me alone, nerd. Did you pull that take your door off the hinges move when you were at GQ? Was that you?

I did. I was super cool. It reminded me of you, actually, now that I think about it. Did I make a bid? No, you didn't. He didn't really turn out to be much of a movie actor. Anyone but you and I'm going to bid $100't really turn out to be much of a movie actor anyone but you and I'm gonna bid

$100 $150 how much money do I have left oh no you don't even have enough oh no I don't have enough that's okay I didn't even know that

that's okay that's alright $150 oh no what's the best romcom I wasn't even trying to do you like that what's the best romcom in the last five years

yikes okay let's think through this I have no idea is it the other Glenn Powell movie? Set it up. So if you're,

it's actually Starstruck, which is the Rose Matafio like television series for seasons one and two. And I think it's like, it's mostly on television. That's the best one. Rylane,

which is what we were talking about. Rylane is great. I think that there are probably a couple more, but I have to Google them right now. Am I taking this? Or 150? 170. There have really not been very many. Yeah. um i think that there are probably a couple more but i have to google them right now uh 170 um there have really not been very many yeah obviously the pandemic threatened these and

they got all pushed to streaming which sucks i'm just trying to think of like what the best rom-com at streaming is even do you think sydney sweeney is attractive yeah i do i do yeah i do you do yeah Uh-huh. Can I just say, I'm going to be really real with you. Yeah, please do. She's really short. Okay.

I actually met her at a White Lotus panel talk. Did you? And she could not be a bit nicer, but she is, like, insanely short. And I don't think we, in the same way

that when you meet a basketball player, 175. And you're like, oh, this is an undersized combo guard he's getting he's getting worked on the perimeter but she's Jalen Brunson-y

and you see him and fucking Jalen Brunson is so tall compared to me you know what I mean and I was just in the same way I was like

oh wow you are short yeah so I think I could put Jalen Brunson in the post absolutely not Ticket to Paradise

was pretty charming you comparing Sydney Sweeney to Jalen Brunson in the post. Absolutely not. Ticket to Paradise was pretty charming. You comparing Sydney Sweeney to Jalen Brunson is like the most actualized version of yourself that has ever existed. Yeah, hell yeah.

Long Shot came out in 2019. Oh, I love Long Shot. We all love Long Shot. That's a great one. Yeah. That's a long time ago. Well, I know. I'm having to like

Google romantic comedies by year right now. It was tough. 175. Oh, that's what I have. Oh, I'll take 185. Good job. Set It Up was 2018. It's up there. Crazy Rich Asians was also 2018. 175. Oh, that's what I have. Oh, I'll take 185. Good job. Set It Up was 2018.

It's up there. Crazy Rich Asians was also 2018. Yeah. I like that. The pandemic killed love. Well, no. In so many ways. The superheroes killed love, but that's a different thing.

185. 200. I'm proud of you both. 210. I think it's going to be good. 210. I think it's going to be good. I think it's gonna be good 2.10 I think it's gonna be good I think it's gonna be great

Will Gluck also directed Easy A which is a wonderful yes teen romantic comedy one of my faves but yeah he made a pivot

to making Peter Rabbit movies that kind of took him off the off the grid for what I was hoping his career was gonna be Chris has 2.10 yeah

uh 2.20 I do believe in Glenn Powell definitively I really believe in I would be bidding on this but I ran out of I do believe in Glenn Powell. I really believe in Glenn Powell. I would be bidding on this, but I ran out of money. There's two Glenn Powell movies coming out. This one and there's another one.

I'd like to discuss that one as well. Okay. Well, I'm going to say 220. Isn't that what Sean just bid? Oh, I thought 225. What did I get bike riders for? 150? You got it for 250.

Okay. Gosh, this is, like I said, this is so tough because if it goes awry, it's like deeply forgettable. It's not going to go awry. You feel really strongly about this? I just, I think people are ready for a movie like this. I think these two people have a lot of chemistry.

And the marketing is spot on. Interesting winter release strategy. Do you know what this movie is about? Two nemeses find that they have to work together at a wedding, a destination wedding. I love destination weddings.

Do you? Well, I do. Like as a movie setting or as a place to go? I don't mind them as a place to go, but I mean, would you consider yours

a destination wedding? I don't know. Would you? Not really. We didn't really plan it as one, but then we moved across the country. Sure.

So that was tough for me. I would consider it a destination. Okay. Did you have a nice time? I had a wonderful time. I'm so glad. Thanks so much. I was so happy to be invited. Thank you both for coming. Still probably the most fun I've had dancing in my, in like, in this decade. You guys, did you know that after you left this weekend, there was a

wedding next door at our vacation? I heard a little bit of rustling going on there. It was really fun, actually, because they were respectful. Did you think about crashing? Well, I mean, it was like across a field, you know? But it was like, they ended at 8.30, and it started with like some folk music or whatever, and then it segued into like, honestly, like a great wedding band, because the wedding band knew what it did well, and also knew their limitations limitations and they weren't trying hard trance that's exactly

how'd you know was the band Queens of the Stone Age it was if I got married to you we'd have Queens of the Stone Age we would Josh would get us married

yeah he'd be the efficient so I yeah I had a nice time like the last hour oh my god you're up oh I'm bidding now?

Yeah. Oh, sorry. I was just trying to tell you about this wedding. No, I love it. I really like destination weddings and all weddings and wedding dance floors. And I just, I haven't had an opportunity to go to one since the pandemic. And that's a real bummer. Anyway.

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we are back to auctioning we probably need to move a little bit quicker since I have zero films okay Amanda you are suggesting. I have to get acupuncture at two, too. So like we should. Okay. Oh, shit. Really? That's interesting. The tempo.

What is your acupuncturist's name? J-Ron. J-Ron. Yeah. Oh, my acupuncturist as well. The legendary J-Ron. Yeah. Wow. It's for my neck. Interesting. What's been going on there? It hurts.

I'm sorry to hear that. Acupuncture works. Yeah. I have no doubt on there? It hurts. I'm sorry to hear that. Acupuncture works. Yeah. Yeah. I have no doubt. I have no doubt. I've never had it. But that is between Harrison Ford's plane landings and my neck.

That's why the golf is just kind of falling by the wayside. This is news to me. Yeah. How will you hold your head up for three hours of Oppenheimer is the question. I'm going to wear a collar. And I'll have clockwork orange needles opening my eyes. Okay.

It's Amanda's choice. Okay, I guess I'll just I'll put the other Glenn Powell movie on the table just to get it going. Hitman. Yeah.

Starring Glenn Powell and Adria Arjona who Sean denied on our 35 under 35 list. I have some regrets. Yeah. I have some regrets. You were incorrect.

I've seen her in a couple of other things now. She's electric. I feel like anytime she's at anything, the three of us text each other. And this is a Richard Linklater film. Yes. I have learned that Glenn Powell co-wrote this film. Oh, wow.

Glenn. Which is very exciting. And I have also heard. Do you think Glenn would want to draft with us? I unfortunately think we missed our window here. Oh, because he's too famous now? I think so. I think there was a hot moment there.

I also think he's the kind of guy who's like, no, I'd like to go on the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. Which would be fine. We can't give Craig that power. All right. Well, anyway.

Okay. Hitman, I'm going to do $20 because honestly, my funds are pretty limited here. This is really high on my list here. Okay, then just take it. Andrea Arona never misses. Six Underground Elite.

And or? Yeah. Yeah, wonderful. I've seen her in a couple things that I'm like, oh, you are very talented and the most beautiful young actress in Hollywood. Pretty crazy. I didn't love the Father of the Bride movie. It was okay.

She was very good at it. It was not her fault. I'll do $100. Christopher? I'm going to do $125. Okay. $150. It's between you guys. I'm out of money. Oh, I'm going to do $125. Okay. $150. It's between you guys.

I'm out of money. Oh, okay. That's Sean's fault. So I have bike riders and I have anyone but you. What does this mean for the film Hitman? The Timothy Oliphant film? Yeah. Based on the video game intellectual property?

Did you know that Timothy Oliphant's name is pronounced Oliphant? No, but once I tried to get him to come on the watch and he was like, I will be going on Bill Simmons's pod and I just, since then, while I adore him,

That's one of the saddest stories I've ever heard. I still refuse to learn how to pronounce his last name properly. I also think I've heard it. I have it. You have 150, Sean.

Am I keeping it? 160. 175. Okay. I love, my love for Richard Linklater is not, there's no mystery. You're at 175?

Yeah. You can take it down. Oh, wonderful. Yeah. I'm so delighted. Oh, wow, man, it's so disappointing. Oh, you wanted me to bid above?

You could have got me up there. Yeah. I really think, I'm pumped. It's all right. It's okay. We said that we were going to be supportive. I think this film is also premiering at fall festivals.

Certain fall festivals? But I think possibly both of our fall festivals. Oh, interesting. Why are you guys being so cryptic about fall festivals? I don't know. I haven't formally announced my plans. But what about you? Are you going to be touring?

I'll be going to Minsk. Do they have film festivals in like St. Petersburg oh of course yeah there's a robust filmmaking community yeah

yeah I mean you're a huge Tarkovsky guy you know from whence he came I'm gonna put another movie on the board that I'm very excited about that I think

we'll certainly be seeing at the fall festivals this is the new film from Alexander Payne it's called The holdovers oh right starring paul giamatti and you haven't seen this i have not seen it his reunion with his sideways star uh giamatti i don't know anything about the movie but i've been i as the i'm a huge alexander payne

fan obviously but um he's been kind of in the wilderness he was supposed to make a movie with netflix a couple of years ago and that never supposed to make a movie with Netflix a couple of years ago and that never came to pass and I think I'm the only living human that loved downsizing so first film in six years you are the only living

human that loved downsizing I love downsizing though I love I love a big swing you know just you have the idol I have downsizing mm-hmm so I will bid $50 for the holdovers

I'll bid $75 for the holdovers. I'll bid $75. Okay. We don't have a logline for this? We do. Forced to spend Christmas break with a handful of students, a curmudgeonly college professor develops an unlikely bond with a school troublemaker and the head cook. Do you think that this is going to be a lot of like woke mind virus

campus free speech stuff? Yeah, I think that's actually in the second sentence of the logline. Riddled with the woke mind virus campus free speech stuff? Yeah. I think that's actually in the second sentence of the logline. Riddled with the woke mind virus, Paul Hunnam fails to learn his lesson. I have to say, man,

it is the fucking funniest thing ever how hard DeSantis is bricking. $80. I'm not sure if that's going to hold. Okay. You think he's got a late-inning surge? You're digging into the 7-10 episode of JMO. I've got a whole DeSantis four-hour session that I want to get into with you.

What's the number? It's $80. Deshawn? Deshawn. I'll do $90. I'll do $100. I'll do $110. Actually, your girl Divine Joy Randolph from The Idols.

That's why I'd do $110. Because I was like, Idol Actually, your girl Divine Joy Randolph from The Idols. That's why I'd do 110. Because I was like, Idol gang, got to support. Same thing with bike riders with my guy Carl. They did not resolve that plot line, by the way. The Rob plot line was kind of left hanging. He was accused of rape because he took a photo with a woman. Okay, that's not... You got to give me the whole context before I respond.

I take my laugh back 120 this movie I think sight unseen little little bit of knowledge here I'm really

can I also tell you something yeah I'm so happy to see Paul Giamatti looking the way he does in the image that is attached to this film

because I was worried that he was billions brained and that he was like I'm. I'm Paul Giamatti and I'll be young forever. And it's like, he looks like an older gentleman in this film. I believe that this is how Paul Giamatti should look all the time. Is that from John Adams? What is that?

I think so. Yeah. He's holding a pipe and wearing a top hat. It's very exciting. So he should look like a Monopoly man. This is truly a college professor, if I've ever seen. This man taught me philosophy 101. Where are we at? Chris has 110. 120.

I said 120, did I not? Oh, okay. 130. 140. I'm excited. Let's go. Who else is in this besides Divine? Carrie Preston, I believe. She was on True Blood, was she not?

Did you like True Blood? 175, by the way. I watched the first two seasons and I was like, this is pretty cool. And then they lost me along the way. Actually, right before Skarsgård came in. Yeah. Oh, he was in the beginning? But then everybody said he was great.

He was in the third season. Did you watch it? No, I didn't. Never a second? I mean, I've seen clips. Do you feel sexually attracted to vampires? No. Not even a little bit.

Like, that's, no. That's just not really. Are you? I'm sure. Okay. I mean, the right-looking vampire, right? That came through for the door right now. But.

Yeah, I just like like i'm kind of looking past the vampire part you know at any time even with what do you mean well it's like robert pence i mean robert penson's wearing like too much five like you know pale makeup in twilight but robert penson's an attractive looking guy but if i'm if i find him attractive in those movies it's not because he's a vampire i'm looking past it to the beauty of Robert Pattinson and or Alexander Skarsgård how do you feel about 190 allegorical power of blood sucking being reminiscent of the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases you feel that you're asking me this yeah I'm a pretty I'm only interested in vampires in terms of them tearing

people apart I don't have I don't really care about their emotional in our lives $200 this may come up again with another film my favorite like for instance my favorite vampires in some ways are the guys in 30 days

of night where they're just like we're just gonna tear you to fucking shreds what do you think that says about you and your sexual desire what does he have 185 you can take it down oh about you and your sexual desires. What does he have? 185.

You can take it down. Oh, wonderful. Oh my gosh. Mostly because I'm out of things to say about the holdovers. Look, numbers one and two on my list. The holdovers and Hitman. Wow. That's so exciting.

Did you get one and two on your list? I got one on my list. Well, that's great. You got number two, but that's okay. Bike riders is my number one, so I was happy. That's good value. Okay. I'm going to bid another one.

This is an interesting one for us. I don't think you're going to care about this, Amanda. Okay. But you might. I'm going to bid $100 for the creator. This is Gareth Edwards. Punch it in, brother. New science fiction.

Can I tell her what it's about? Extraordinary saga. Yes, please do this. The dangers of AI. Oh, I'm so thrilled. Thanks so much become sentient oh okay and drops a nuclear bomb on los angeles and creates an army of robots and john david washington is like part of the human resistance and a little girl says are you going to heaven and he goes no only good people go to heaven okay he's busting ass. And this guy directed Rogue One.

I know who Gareth Edwards is. And I love John David Washington. I'm psyched. Sounds great. Here's a key phrase for Chris and I for the quality of this film. Joshua is the name of JDW's character. And he is described as a hardened ex-Special Forces agent. Oh, perfect.

Automatically in. So what'd you bid? $100. $200. This is a rare case where I was like, I have no idea what to expect out of this.

Trailer sold me hard. This dude loves filming battles on beaches. Yes. Yes. He's great at scope. Yeah. He's great at scope.

Not a lot of guys are good at scope. He should. Had there not already been several quite accomplished films about D-Day, I would like to see him make a D-Day movie. So the cast in this movie is quite good.

It includes Gemma Chan, Ken Watanabe, Allison Janney, and I did not know this until now, but Sturgill Simpson. Really? In this movie, which is just very exciting. Okay. As is Ralph Innocent, who you may recall is the Green Knight in the film The Green Knight. Oh, yeah.

He's in The Witch as well. The guy with the incredible voice. I'm up, right? Chris has 200. Yeah. 220. Pretty strong on this one. John David Washington.

What's next for him? What do we need from him? Good films. But I would say that this is Tenety. Tenety. He had a pretty tough 21 and 22. Yeah. Nothing panned out.

What was that? he was in amsterdam oh god i i had totally blocked that from my mind what what was the movie that should have been good that was like the thriller beckett yeah and it wasn't it wasn't and i wanted it to be me too i really was that in portugal it was 230 240 it was directed by Ferdinando Cito Filomarino who I think has been the DP for

a really gifted filmmaker who am I thinking of Luca I think Luca Guadagnino oh okay 270 I think he shot Call Me By Your Name

oh it just it didn't it wasn't there there was no there was no thrill in the thriller I agree

how much did we say 270 for me 270 yeah it's real it's right there i can touch it do you think there's more gareth edwards in rogue one than we think yeah i do i mean i i think that i was funny you should mention this because i was like thinking about andor a lot in relationship to the mattel thing it was a long long story you can listen to it on the watch. But I was watching Andor clips and then I started watching Rogue One clips. And I was like, this dude did a lot of this. I think Gareth did a lot of the space stuff. Well, the Vader thing at the end,

which is just absolutely, it was maybe the last time I was a true fan of those kinds of things. It's funny. I also watched reactions to Darth Vader's rage on YouTube. I mean, that's great stuff. Women crying

when Darth Vader tears up. But that was Edwards. That wasn't Gilroy. I don't know. There was like been testimony that people were like I was on set

when Gareth was directing. That's sick. Shout out to Gareth. Do you remember that scene? No, but I did see that movie in theaters at the Arclight. Rogue One? Yeah, it was good.

It's good. I like it. I think I said 280. 285. 290. 295? 300? It's all you.

Interesting. Yeah. Okay. What are you saving for? I don't know. I got two already, though, so I'm playing from a position of power. Sure. I have three, and Amanda has two, so. Oh, I have two. So I'm down from a position of power. Sure. I have three and Amanda has two, so.

Oh, I have to. So I'm down to 340. Amanda sits at 113 and Chris is at 525. So Amanda, you are on the board. Yeah. I have to find some value, I guess, or hope that you guys don't want my movies or I don't know. Depend on the kindness of strangers.

It's never worked out for me before in this context. I mean, the question is here is like, should I bid a movie that you guys will want? And then watch us go crazy like piranhas. Yeah. Um, and then,

but I don't really know what those are. You know, all of the recent stories of aquatic disaster between submarines and orcas. Where are the piranhas? You know, like we have piranhas have kind of faded away from our cultural. Piranhas fell off? Yeah. Well, I think we'll be discussing the piranha films in depth on a forthcoming podcast.

I was always most scared of them. The idea of just being completely like having all of your skin eaten off. Do you know the name of James Cameron's directorial debut? Piranha. Piranha 2 colon what? The Spawning. In that film, the Piranhas take flight. The way you said that was kind of like Charlie Rosen it.

Your film Piranha 2 colon what piranha says what okay for 20 bucks i'm gonna do strangers the new andrew hey hi hey there we go how are we pronouncing i think it's just hey hey who's in this movie yeah guess who's in this movie. I was looking at it last night. I can't remember. Andrew Scott, Paul Meskel, and wait for it, Claire Foy. And these guys are fucking in love.

Yeah. You know what I mean? They are. Yeah. And if you were ever sitting around and you were just like, I'd like to see Paul Meskel and Andrew Scott be in love, have I got a movie for you. I am starting the auction at $20

because I'm a woman on a budget. I love Andrew Hay. He's been on the show before. You love him too. Tricky one for us here. Weekend, right? A little bit of a wonderful movie, Weekend. What's the one with Charlotte Rampling?

45 Years. God damn, that movie was sad. That's a very upsetting film. Charlotte Rampling's your girl, right? All-timer. Yeah. The bust is already made for Cooperstown.

And that was because of her work as the Nazi in the night quarter. Charlotte Rampling we got it for her you know like the Ted Williams exhibit

where they have all the balls that he like laid off of. Yeah. That's like Charlotte Rampling. Can I tell you a movie that I saw that I'd never seen before that Charlotte Rampling is in? I watched it just last night

it's on the Criterion Channel. Zardoz? Oh, yeah, with Sean Connery. Have you seen that film? No. Can you just Google Sean Connery's Zardoz for a second? I'd like to hear your reaction to his costuming. Can you spell that for me?

Z-A-R-D-O-Z. Okay, that's tough. Did Amanda just get that movie? Could you describe what he's wearing? Yeah, I did. Oh, good. I got it. Thanks, guys.

Well, it's like a red Borat suit, right? With some straps. And some high boots. That's what I'll be wearing to my next film festival. Please, any listeners out there, if you would be so kind as to Photoshop Chris's head onto Sean

Connery's Zardoz body, I would really appreciate that as a consumer of internet content. Strangers looks great. This is a movie I did put on our long list that I think will be released this year, but I'm not 100% sure. But I think it will. Yeah, you have to

start loosening up the reins a little bit. Because a lot of the movies that I want to nominate are now in that weird, like, this may come out zone. Yeah. Well, you have to put one up. So put one up. How about Nickel Boys?

What is that? The Ramel Morris adaptation of Colson Whitehead's novel. Yeah. Is this coming out? This guy made Hail County. I know. And now he's got a Colson Whitehead movie. And I really hope it comes out this year.

Is she the cast for this? Yeah, it's the big Anjanue Ellis movie, right? Yeah. She's also in Justified City Primeval. Is she? Kind of her season.

Oh, cool. Yeah, it's Hamish Linkletter, Fred Hegner are also in it, but based on real life events which have only recently come to light,

the narrative bounces between the 2010s and 1960s as an investigation takes place surrounding the now defunct dozer school for boys in florida i haven't read this one you read this one no i haven't it sounds really dark oh the book i have not read the book obviously i love coles and whitehead hmm interesting this is an mgm oh so i'll go uh 50 bucks 60 okay 80 i'm to let you have it only because I'm a little concerned, unless you want to bid. Guys, I have $93 left.

You could bid $81. That's true, but I have to get two more movies. You could get one in the dollar bin at the end. I could. The dollar bin always turns out to be the best stuff. That's where Amanda got Blitz by Steve McQueen. No, that's where I got Leave the World Behind. That's right.

You got it. You got it. You got it. I'm not... MGM has a lot of movies lined up for the next six months. And I feel like this not being dated is a little dubious.

So this is MGM Plan B. So MGM's not going through Amazon Pictures or whatever? They're owned by Amazon, but they're releasing movies theatrically through MGM. Okay. So I got Nickel Boys.

But it probably won't come out. You're seeming to be saying. I don't... I't know i just don't know but as you said just with strangers like we're in a there's a few here that we just don't we're not quite sure how they're going to come out i'm definitely going to bid on a couple here that i don't i'm not totally sure about you're next chris um i will throw out road No, next year. Let's do Apartment 7A. Okay. I believe this will come out. This is the prequel to Rosemary's Baby.

Oh, yeah. Oh, right. Okay. All right. Starring your girl. Julia Garner. That's the basically is I got Julia Garner season tickets. Natalie Erica James, who's made one film previous to this. How much are you bidding? $100.

I got a lot of money left over, right? Just removing Amanda. I'll let you have it. Okay. Okay. So that's four for me, right? Yeah.

Sheesh. Do you feel good about your strategy now? Mine? Or his? No, his. To Sean. Yeah, I do.

Do you think it made for an interesting draft or an auction? What do you think? Oh, his strategy of bidding you up? Yeah, of sidelining me. Yeah, I do. Do you think it made for an interesting draft or an auction? What do you think? Oh, his strategy of fitting you up? Yeah, of sidelining me. Yeah.

Worked for me. Okay. There we go. You could have actively participated more in our discussion of the film The Creator. I did.

I talked a lot about how I've seen Rogue One at the Arclight. Yeah. Remember when John David Washington hit that guy in the face with a cheese grater? That was sick. That was sick.

I saw that Tenet was playing on 70mm at the American Cinematheque in an upcoming screening. And I just fondly was remembering you guys driving into the mouth of hell to see that at a drive-thru in San Diego. Amidst the fires. Yes. That's true. Circa 2020. Right. But we did it. That wasst the fires. Yes, that's true. Circa 2020. Right. But we did it.

That was an incredible journey. Parked right next to each other. Yeah, that was fun. Your commitment to cinema is unrivaled, both of you. I was thinking about that recently as well, just because I saw like the hundred and something miles to San Diego on the, you know, like on the side of the highway.

And I was like, wow, that was a long way to drive. But I guess we had nothing else to do. That was what I was going to say. The context is, didn't have shit else going on yeah you know so it wasn't that big of a deal there were no kids on the board our jobs were paused in a unique way wow uh you know people who think I hate Nolan just rewind listen to that episode had a lovely time at Tenet it's the Tenet watch-along pod so we I so I got Nickel Boys and Apartment 7A both off my own nomination so it goes back to Amanda

correct sure does who's got two slots I do have two slots I don't know whether to cheat a little I think you should I think we're now

in the part of the game well there's a film that came out at Sundance that Sean saw that I was not able to see yeah called Passengers

that I'm very interested in. Passages. Passages. Oh, sorry. Passages. Passengers is the really ill-fated Jennifer Lawrence.

Did you see the other one in Sundance? No. Okay, because that's the one that I feel like. You think I should do that one instead? I do.

Well, I mean, they're both good, but. I don't know. Passage is Adele at Exarchopolis. I'm glad she's back. I mean, that's a great movie. I'm really glad she's back. I'm really glad she'sele exarchopolis i'm glad she's back i mean that's a great movie i'm really glad she's right yeah i'm really glad she's back and i never left i understand that the other song that we're talking about is fair play right yes which i did

not get a chance to see zach saw it as well yeah liked it yeah it's good it's good it that's alden aaron reich and phoebe divner um i don't know you think okay but I she's a she's a keeper Phoebe yeah but I just I want to go with my heart

so why can't I do passages you absolutely can which you're not able to bid on I can't I've seen it this is

this is more people who if not in love or at least in lust in love at least in lust yes directed by Iris Sachs I will bid 20 bucks for it

I think you will enjoy this film as well yeah I do it's very very good still one of the best movies I've seen this year it's

in addition to Adele it's Ben Whishaw and Franz Rogowski oh I saw yeah and it's like a German filmmaker

gets into like a love triangle or something yeah correct I love those guys I think with a gay couple and Adele Xartopoulos enters the gay couple's life. I wish I was in a gay couple and then she entered my life. If you let Josh Pomme marry us, we can figure this out.

Oh my God. Remember when she ate spaghetti in that movie? Yeah, I sure do. God damn it. What do you think that was a metaphor for? How fucking good spaghetti is. It's the best. It is the best. God damn it. What do you think that was a metaphor for? How fucking good spaghetti is. It's the best. It is the best.

I love spaghetti. I think it sounds like you're getting passages. That's great. When she ate the Euro? Yeah. Because she was a Greek goddess. That's what that was telling us. She was insatiable.

Way to go. Thanks so much. Two $20 acquisitions here. Yeah. I've got two bids. Like Billy Bean. She's buying on the margins. I'm going to put up a film that I wonder if Chris is interested in.

I'm going to put up The Iron Claw. Are you guys familiar with this movie? This might be my third most anticipated movie of the year. I don't care about wrestling as much as you do, but I love Sean Durkin. So Sean Durkin, course director of The Nest, Martha Marcy May Marlene, recently directed quite a few episodes of the Dead Ringers Amazon show,

which was amazing. I believe he also made that mass shooting British small village show that I loved. I can't remember the name of it. Yeah, it was Sean Harris. Yeah. Yeah, was that...

What was that called? Anyway. The Iron Claw is a biopic about the Von Erich family, which was a dynasty of wrestlers... Southcliff. Very good.

A dynasty of wrestlers from the 1960s that had enormous success and popularized the Iron Claw professional wrestling hold. However, they not only had to battle

inside the ring, but fight the Von Erich curse outside of it. And the demons inside. Well, there were many tragic ends to the Von Erichs. And a lot of wrestling families are big families where a lot of the brothers and fathers are all participating with Von Erichs are among the most legendary.

This film stars Zac Efron. Oh, it's this one. Okay. Paris Dickinson, Lily James, the sister of Bill Simmons' one-time date, Maura Tierney, This film stars Zac Efron. Oh, it's this one. Okay. Harris Dickinson, Lily James, the sister of Bill Simmons' one-time date, Maura Tierney, Holt McCallany, Jeremy Allen White, in his first performance after The Bear,

which I just have to say, what a magnificent series. I'm only through six episodes. A 24 movie. I'm bidding 50 bucks. I'm bidding. How much money do I have left? $345. I'll bid 50 bucks. I'm bidding. How much money do I have left? $345. I'll bid 80 bucks.

I'll go 90. I'll go 100. Now, you don't like wrestling. Not that much, but I love Sean Durkin. I love Jeremy Allen White. I think Harris Dickinson's really good. And I like Zac Efron, you know. He's really dedicated a lot of time to travel TV.

125. 150. 175. know he's really dedicated a lot of time to travel tv to 125 150 175 how much do i have left you have 345 dollars and only one slot left oh 200 225 250 um are you sure you didn't fall into my trap here maybe or you are now dating high on a movie that you don't care about? I got a film by Sean Durkin. Nobody ran Nest Hive like me. I was the guy out there. I put Nest in my top 10. I was out there telling people,

Nest, Nest. But you'd only seen 11 movies that year. That's not true. You're so insulting sometimes. Well, that's a gift I have. Sometimes you have to lean into it. You don't want to weigh in at all here? I only have $73. No, but's a gift I have. Sometimes you have to lean into it. You don't want to weigh in at all here? I only have $73.

No, but just to chat with us. Chris has $250. I also like Harris Dickinson. Yeah. He's pretty attractive, right? $255? Yeah.

Just to reset it. Yeah. $255? Yeah. $260? $270? Don't do that to me. Don't give your like,

I don't know, face. Like, that's not how you would be at the poker table. Treat me with respect. I don't know face like that's not how you would be at the poker table treat me with respect I don't know the people I play poker with treat me like a retired

naval officer that you're sitting with at Morongo Casino he would have his iPod in and not look not make eye contact I would probably be listening to you

on a podcast 270 I said 270 5 275 280 the question is what's left 270 I said 270 5 275 uh 280 the question is

what's left and the question is what's left within the realm of plausibly being released I've got four other movies I'd be happy to have oh okay

okay sounds like you're sounds like you're done bidding you can see my maybe but how much do I like this movie relatively to how much do I think it should be

your last film against my slate well I have to tell you the truth I have a bunch of movies I'd rather draft than this maybe, but how much do I like this movie relatively to how much do I think it should be your last film against my slate? I have to tell you the truth. I have a bunch of movies I'd rather draft than this, but you guys have really well, you specifically really spooked me about when stuff's coming out. I went all in on Nickel Boys, and you're like, well, that fucking isn't happening, and now I'm

like, oh, you know? Have you been saving up for Captain America? New American World Frontier Order? I'm saving up for the Marvels. Sean, you have 280. Chris, would you like to bet? 290.

Wow. I thought you really didn't like wrestling that much. But maybe I'll learn to love it. That's one thing that cinema does.

Maybe you will. There's tons of things that movies have introduced me to that I never thought I'd care about. What's another thing? Chess. Okay.

And you're into that now? No, I just mean in the movie Fresh, I was like, chess is amazing. Bobby Fischer, chess is amazing. Do you feel that chess is too powerful for your intellect? Honestly, it doesn't suit my particular skill set. You're more of like a physical aggressor. No, I just don't.

All right. There's a lot of movement in chess, you know? No, I don't like it either. I just find the strategy element of it is really hard for me to keep in my head. What is the bid at? Chris has $290. $300. Here we go.

Right? We're going to find out who's a man. The great game begins. $310. Intriguing. Can't wait to be at the movies this year. You know what? Did you say $310? Did I say $310? You said $310. Intriguing. Can't wait to be at the movies this year. I mean... You know what?

Did you say 310? Did I say 310? You said 310. What was mine? Who said it? Who said 310? Did someone say it? I think you said 310.

You did, yeah. Do you want me to say another number? You can say whatever you want. What were you just going to say? I was going to start talking about Craven the Hunter. One of the best mind games I've ever seen i was gonna be like it's tough because craving the hunter is also out there oh you know did you see the craving the hunter trailer like the full one 11 yeah you can take it okay okay great i got it how much did you pay for it $311 okay great you got it that was really

normal stuff uh i i can't say that i was super excited about the craven the hunter trailer jc chandler is wonderful trailer gave away too much of craven the hunter um or are you gonna be like actually i think that's all the first two minutes I don't know anything about Craven I only saw him in individual issues of Spider-Man and I don't really get not a big hunting guy so if that's your bit

my brain kind of turns off a little bit if it was Craven the poker player all in I have another film to nominate great I have less money to nominate great uh I you know

I have less money than Amanda which is something that she wanted to come out of so I will nominate Hayao Miyazaki's How Do You Live okay

I will bid one dollar can I say something about Hayao Miyazaki yeah who just is not promoting his last film in any way automatic entry into the cool man club.

Like, might be top of the cool man list. He's also 100 years old. You know what? I'm just saying, it's interesting. It's a good point. It's an extremely good take. Hayao Miyazaki is 82, and there's never been a doubt a single day

that he's one of the coolest people who's ever lived. Tangentially, last night as I was going to sleep, I took some melatonin and I tried watching Neon Genesis. Oh, yeah. Because Wes Anderson recommended it on like a YouTube video. You watching Neon Genesis is an entire podcast on the watch. It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life. Easily.

Was it the melatonin? Yeah, how much melatonin? I have no idea. Like a half of a five milligram. Okay. I don't even know what was... Gummy or dissolvable? No, it was like a pill. Okay. And I thought it was fucking crazy.

Okay. So, shout out. Charles Holmes and shambles. I'm taking this for a dollar. Sure. Yeah, congratulations. This is the final film that Hayao Miyazaki will make. I know i know you know it's unclear if he is not promoting or studio ghibli is not promoting i don't actually understand what's going on there okay the film i think opens this month in japan but there has been no fanfare about

it despite the fact that he is one of the most celebrated filmmakers in the country's history and in the history of animation um i don't know what this movie is about i haven't really read anything i've just looked at the same poster promotional image for over two years, but I greatly anticipate it. We're in this great moment in my life where I'm starting to show my daughter these movies and my neighbor Totoro, I think will be on in our house quite a bit over the course of the next couple of years. Not sure what else gets in the mix there. I feel like Spirited Away is a little too intense for a two-year-old. You guys haven't seen any of these films, so you don't know what I'm talking about.

You were once challenged on a podcast to experience... Yeah, it was supposed to be like Andy's version of a swap. And you never got there because you won't watch Ponyo? I just, I don't think Andy's holding up his end of the bargain. Did he complete the idol? Yeah, he did. Well, then you owe him big time. Okay, I have five films.

Great. I have one last pick. I guess for $73, which is all I have, I will do May, December, which is the new Todd Haynes film starring Natalie Portman and Julianne Moore. And Natalie Portman plays an actress

who goes to visit the real-life inspiration for a character she's playing who is inspired by or loosely quote-unquote please don't come at me lawyers

based on the Mary-Kay Letourneau story. This premiered at Cannes. People seem to like it. Yeah. Very well received. Todd Hay Very, very well received. Todd Haynes, an absolute legend. There we go.

Probably back in the Oscar mix for the first time in some time. Okay. This movie will be distributed by Netflix in North America. Chris? So I have $345. Yeah.

I wish I could distribute it more widely and draft more than five films, but I can only draft one more. Yeah. I wish I could distribute it more widely and draft more than five films, but I can only draft one more. Okay. And I think I might draft a film that I had no... So you're not going to bid on May to December? No, you should take it. Well, I mean, you can if you want to.

No, I think it sounds really good, but I think that... You're like, this is your mushroom? That's dynamite? No, it's not dynamite. I think actually your group of films is quite lovely. Thank you so much, Christopher. So there's quite a few films on the board here for you. Yeah.

I'm going to draft. Can I throw a few in your direction? Just see how you feel? Well, can I tell you what I'm drafting first? Can I tell you what I'm going to do auction? And then you can say here's what you could have done. I didn't know about this movie until you put it on your master list that you made for us.

And, uh, I'm going to be spending $345 on quicksand. I regret to inform you. I've seen it. How is it? Uh, I have always wondered what happens in quicksand.

I agree. I, I can't believe it's taken this long for somebody to make a movie about quicksand. And in the movie poster, it's a Shudder original, there's a woman being dragged down in quicksand and it looks like a snake is wrapping around her head. Yeah. Which sounds like, I got to see what happens next.

Yeah. What if she just dies? A married couple on the brink of divorce becomes trapped in quicksand while hiking through a Colombian rainforest. An insane thousand-yard stare from Amanda right now. It's a struggle for survival as they battle the elements of the jungle

and must work together. No, I can see it. I can already see it. This is about marriage. It's about working together. Okay. Interesting. And you're not supposed to struggle in quicksand.

That's what they say. That is what they say also in Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Remember, they get trapped in that? They do get trapped. It's like, it'll create a vacuum. Karen Allen in Indy. Well, that was a bold choice. This is a shutter release.

And now you can do your, like, here are the honorable mentions. There are quite a few that we've missed on. The mainstream films that people might ask us for include The Last Voyage of the Demeter, which is the... You have that on the lineup of things I'm supposed to talk about at some point this year? I think maybe we'll save that for Chris Ryan. Yeah. Okay, great.

That's a film about... Dracula on a boat. Dracula being transported to Transylvania, which is very exciting. Meg 2, The Trench. Yeah. That's out there. Wonka? Did anyone consider Wonka?

No, I did not. Zero percent. The three of us, and Bobby, do you care about Wonka? Like the lore of Wonka or this upcoming movie? This upcoming film? No. Do you care about sexy Wonka? So the four of us don't care about Timothee Chalamet as Wonka.

That's a bad sign. Yeah. That's a bad sign. I would agree. I don't know why they made this. Couple of others. The Exorcist colon Believer.

It's a new David Corden Green Blumhouse horror movie. Ellen Burson's in this movie as is Linda Blair. But it's like the beginning of a new saga, right? I guess.

We shall see. Aquaman The Lost Kingdom? Still not official DCU canon. Not interested. So you have punted on the future DC

until until Blue Beetle yeah and then you excited about the new Superman I actually

that guy went to is from Philly oh it's and he went to a friend's school and I think Rachel Brosnan's great I love Rachel Brosnan

I love Rachel Brosnan he went to Shipley which I think also Bernthal went to oh I didn't know that Bernthal was a Friends graduate. Wow. Bernthal in episode six.

Wow. Special shit. Wow. Yeah. It's a special sauce. I do want to see Eli Roth's Thanksgiving, which is the expansion of his trailer from the Death Proof trailers bit. Do you remember that? And why he did not finish Borderlands. Oh, yeah. That's right.

Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon. Opening night. I don't know. Do you remember that? And why he did not finish Borderlands. Oh, yeah. That's right. Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon. Opening night. I don't know. Do I have a choice? That's a great question. Is an opening night just going to be when it's on Netflix? Possibly. There's a bunch of mainstream movies that we did not go after.

You know, Salt Burn? Yeah. That was on my list. That was on my list. That's the other Jacob Elordi. Yes, it is. Emerald Fennell's follow-up to

Promising Young Woman starring Derek Keoghan and Jacob Elordi and a number of other young actors. It apparently is hotly tipped. Dumb Money?

I think looks fun. I'm not a huge Craig Gillespie fan, but I love the actors. And of course, my beloved Steve Cohen is featured as a character in that film.

I'm sure they'll handle that very maturely and with emotional reason and boundaries. But we love the big short, money ball. I do. I do as well. Yeah. That style of storytelling. Poor Things did not get drafted. Strays, the dog comedy starring Will Ferrell's voice. Did you guys consider that?

Yeah, I didn't. In fact, I got increasingly angry every movie I clicked on where I was like, what an interesting cast. And it was like voicing animated dogs. And I was like, you guys need to fucking act. Go act. Okay. That's a good take.

Driveaway Dolls. Yeah, I'm excited. New Ethan Coen film. Sure. Starring my girl. Starring your girl. Yeah, it looks good. I don't know if this movie's coming out or not this year,

but it's called Bob Marley, colon, One Love. Okay. It's a biopic of Bob Marley. It would have been strange if it wasn't. That would have been pretty cool, actually. That should have been the title for air. Is Bob Marley, One Love, the story of Michael Jordan? It's directed by Ronaldo Marcus Green.

Yeah. Same screenwriter as King Richard and it stars Kingsley Ben-Adir who I loved up until I saw Secret Invasion. He's good in Secret Invasion.

He is but I'm just like eh, Secret Invasion is a drag. Boys in the Boat, I mentioned that. New Clooney movie. I have a couple I'd like to throw out there

that I have no idea if they're coming out. Well, one that I know that's coming out is called I Saw the TV Glow. Yes. It's the new James

Schoenberg movie with Daniel Deadweiler and Justice Smith. And it's about two teens who like start behaving strangely when a TV show they love is canceled. Did you respond to

We're All Going to the World's Fair? I thought it was pretty remarkable. It was just like not, it's like in the skittering zone of like not exactly what I would

call like a fun movie to watch. There's a film that I just am waiting for desperately because I love Alonzo Ruiz to watch. Yeah. There's a film that I just am waiting for desperately because I love Alonzo Ruiz Palacios. But it's a film called either La Cochina or The Kitchen and it stars Rooney Mara

and it's set in New York City restaurant. And I've heard that's his movie and it's coming out, but I don't know when. And what else? So there's a few that I'll tell you the ones I've seen that I wasn't going to draft, but that I was considering. Did you see The Brutalist?

I didn't and I think next year for The Brutalist, which I'm looking forward to. Talk to Me, of course. I saw it at Sundance, the horror film from the Waka Waka guys, the Philippo brothers who we spoke to for this show. Fair Play, which Amanda mentioned, which is pretty good, pretty darn good.

And will be certainly a noisy subject of discourse eileen yes i have also seen that i saw it which i liked quite a bit uh christian petzl's a fire i've also recently seen that opens a week from now very good movie and bottoms i've also seen as have i so not eligible bottoms a lot of fun too. I laughed a lot. Yeah. I don't really know who won here. People are going to look at this and be like what are these movies?

Which is very different from Dune Part 2 and Maestro. Well. Movies we scream about how loud. Chris did you win? No I don't think so.

I don't think I did. I think I also wound up spending way too much money on quicksand at the end. But I am who I am. A bitter ending for you perhaps?

Being trapped in quicksand? Yep. Could be. You got anyone but you and the bike riders. No, I'm excited about the top end of my draft. Yeah, I think you did a great job. You feel good about your auction? I do.

I did what I came here to do. Get the films you wanted. Exactly. But you felt sidelined by your economic disparity. Yeah. I mean, that's what happens. The rich get richer. Yeah, exactly.

No resources. And I was just silenced. That was Sean's goal. And he succeeded. Just my own version of voodoo economics here. You know, it all trickles down. Immediately after this show, once we finished our recording, Amanda will be sitting alone watching Elemental

so that she can prepare for Monday's recording, which I'm very pleased about. When do I next appear? Well, there's an open question of whether you want to appear on the Oppenheimer episode. Why wouldn't I? Just if you're availability.

You're a busy guy. There's an Oppenheimer deep dive that we'll be doing. No one's trying to write you out. Don't look at me. I welcome you on all shows, but especially on Christopher Nolan shows. Okay.

You are sort of our American Prometheus. Are you doing any Nolan Nolan rankings or Nolan? If you'd like. Oh, I'm just curious. I did my, I actually did my own over the weekend. And I think if I ever post that, I'll probably get shot in the street. Last act of Interstellar number one.

I mean, if that's something that you feel is important, you can say that out loud. What do you want to do? We haven't even discussed what we're going to do. Well, we haven't seen Oppenheimer yet. That's true. That's what we haven't done. I mean, you know, that sort of a an ongoing drama in our

lives it is increasingly frantic emails and scheduling it's listen I will they show us these films well they show and can they just like we have some child care to negotiate as well you know it's like some work travel for my husband no one's just like guys I'm going to show you Oppenheimer it's come on come on down I mean that would be glad you said that I'm just going to very softly plug something I'm doing at Vidiot's on Monday on down. I'm glad you said that. I'm just going to very softly plug something I'm doing at Vidiot's on Monday, July 10th. I was asked to introduce

the film A New Leaf, which is Elaine May's masterpiece starring Walter Matthau. So I'll just be chatting for a bit. Why don't you tell us these things?

I was just asking you yesterday. What would the hard plug version of this be? Well, I saw you yesterday. Well, I could have opened with the episode and be like, welcome to the big picture. I'd just like you to know,

programming note for all the listeners out there, I will be introducing the masterpiece film 1972 A New Leaf written and directed by Elaine May. Did the studio take it away from her? Perhaps they did. Nevertheless a wonderful exploration

of wealth and anxiety. What time on Monday? I think 730. Is it sold out already? I don't know. It hasn't even been posted but they asked me if I would share it on my channels. So here's one of our channels. What other channels are you considering sharing it on? Telegram? Blue Sky.

Been getting involved over there lately. TikTok? Sure. Get on my TikTok. My dad's going to be in town. I might bring him. Oh, that would be great. I would love, love to see you.

That would be really fun, right? Okay. This is why you got to tell me. I just found out yesterday. He doesn't tell people things. Anyway, we will be back Monday with a new episode about movies that we haven't talked about yet this year that have been released and then on wednesday we have the release of mission impossible dead reckoning part one which is just i'm just so excited to talk about it on the podcast and uh

i look forward to listening to these episodes of the big picture there's thanks for everything we appreciate you despite me having a tendency to insult you. What does the rest of the summer hold for you now that IELTS gang is over? Seven to ten pounds of lean muscle.

Andy and I talked today about doing the summer of Tolstoy on The Watch. Okay. Where we would do sick. Jump into some Anna. But I think we're actually

going to talk about Justified. You should do that. Yeah. Because I read it and it was like five years ago and then're actually going to talk about Justified. You should do that. Yeah. Because I read Anna Karenina like five years ago and then no one wanted to talk with me about it. Did you enjoy it?

It was amazing. Are you kidding? Like, I get it. She's the best. She's the best out. It was great. She's the best out. Thanks to Bobby Wagner

for his work on this episode. Thanks to Anna Karenina for being the star of one of the most celebrated stories of our time. And thanks for listening to The Big Picture. We'll see you next week.