The Big Picture - The 2024 Golden Globes: The ‘Oppenheimer’ Behemoth

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Sean and Amanda give their immediate reactions to the 2024 Golden Globe Awards ceremony, which turned out to be a massive success for Christopher Nolan’s ‘Oppenheimer.’ They also share their thoughts about the shortcomings of the television production, the other movies—such as ‘The Holdovers’ and ‘Poor Things’—that had successful nights, and what we still don’t know heading into full-fledged Oscar season. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Additional Production: Cory McConnell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Sean Fennessy. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about humans and not dolls and the 2024 Golden Globes. We are here talking about the first big televised award show of this Oscar season. Amanda, what did you think of the show? First hour, disaster. Second hour, I don't totally remember at this point because it was so long, but we got our groove back a little.

Celebrities, some fun awards. Third hour, far too long and somewhat predictable. Overall, I like it when celebrities are in a room together. Okay. I thought it was a terrible broadcast. It was. It was awful. Often very predictable award show. And yet, and yet, I felt safe. I felt like I was back home. I felt like I was in a place I know and that I can love. I hated the host of the show. I often feel that way. Most of the bits fell flat, but I loved

seeing the stars. I loved remembering the movies that I loved from the year past. I loved seeing clips. It seemed at first like there would be no clips, but they gave us clips. That was delightful. They gave us clips for certain categories, none of which had to do with acting, which I'm okay with. I feel like maybe in the midst of this absolutely terrible broadcast, and it just, and it was, I just want to say like exceptionally bad. It was handed off to Penske Media, I believe, and their new awards arm and was aired on CBS and Paramount Plus. And I mean, you know, technologically speaking, we were able to watch it.

We watched it. That's really the only successful thing I can say. I give everyone a big F. The interstitial dialogue introducing people was incredibly banal. All of the bits were very forced and took far too long. The less we say about the monologue, the better. Yeah, Joe Coy was not good. He was not a good pick. So much so that he was throwing his own writers under the bus as his monologue was bombing in real time. You know, it's very common for comedians to bomb in front of actors and filmmakers in a setting like this. I'm not sure if I've ever seen one that bad. I'm not sure if

I've ever seen the audience almost revolt on the monologue in real time. And, you know, Joe Coy is a pretty successful comedian and has had big time standup specials. He top lined a movie for Universal like a year and a half ago. Like he's not a complete unknown, but he was greeted as a complete unknown. And after the first two jokes, you could tell, like, this is going very awry right now. Yeah. Well, he started off with the, I hadn't seen a single thing until they called me 10 days ago. Which, I mean, is probably true of a lot of people, including many people watching the awards show.

But it's not the way to endear yourself to anyone who's actually either in the room or sitting down to actually care about the Golden Globes. You know, it's a little bit like someone who writes a piece about anything. It's like, I didn't know anything about this. And then it's like, well, why are we listening to you? You know what I'm saying? And then proceeded to do jokes that were just sort of like top line throwaways of all of the movies once in a row. Like, okay, award shows are not roasts. And so a lot of comedians, when they come into award shows, they think that the way to ingratiate themselves is to treat it like a roast.

So they just start making fun of the most obvious thing about a movie. So Joe Coy came out of the shoot and immediately started making jokes about how long Oppenheimer is. Which, yeah, it is a long movie. So are most of the movies that were nominated tonight. And it wasn't even the longest movie of the year. Killers of the Flower Moon, if you wanted to make that joke, was probably the movie to make it about.

Yeah, instead he decided to make jokes about Bob De Niro's growing family. Which I thought was actually kind of funny if it were inserted to an actually successful monologue. That was the one joke. Yeah, that's true. I should be totally honest. I laughed at the Prince Harry joke. Sure.

And also, once they got away from movies to TV, I was like, well, I don't really care about these as much. So go ahead, you know, make fun of things. Yeah, he was on more comfortable ground when he was not asked to riff on prestige filmmaking in 2023. Yeah. But in general, you know, it's been a rocky road the last three years for the Golden Globes.

They're trying to rebuild their reputation as the signature precursor to the Academy Awards. Award shows in general have just been completely plummeting in the ratings. And in general, I think most audiences don't think they mean anything. They obviously still mean something to us. But when the first thing you show us, first time you're on this new network, first time you're really back in the spotlight as a signature award show, is a guy who doesn't seem to like movies making fun of movies badly. Right. It's a poor choice.

I mean, they made a big mistake. Counterpoint, I do think the reaction shots will kind of instantly enter the Internet Hall of Fame. You know, like the meme content that we'll get tomorrow. And this is like the one downside. We're recording right after we watched it together. We had like a mostly lovely time. We watched it with Bobby, who's in town. And our video maven, Corey.

And you mostly yelled about various things that were happening. But when you do the podcast right afterwards, you don't get to relive it on the internet. And it does really feel like there were, you know, the internet can make gold out of anything. So you want a 20 minute buffer to absorb the memes before we record next time? I was doing my best in real time. Okay. But I just, I do think that there will be like artwork made of Selena Gomez kind of just like putting her head in her hands during the monologue. And, you know, the Harrison Ford reaction shot, I'd like a, you know, a higher quality version of that for my everyday use. These sorts of things. Yes. We don't have access to it right now. The one thing that the show achieved, I would say, is that they did actually get true

celebrities to show up. Not just the entire cast of Barbie and Oppenheimer and all the biggest movies of the year, but Selena Gomez was there because of Only Murders in the Building, and obviously TV shows are also nominated, but also Taylor Swift, in part because they introduced this Box Office Achievement Award this year, and so she was in the room. And it did feel,

certainly a lot more than the last couple of Oscars to me, honestly, like a big award show. It felt like a big start. Matt and Ben were there, you know, like Bradley Cooper sitting in the front row. Joaquin Phoenix was just in the bottom left corner of one of the angles that you could, you know, because the presenters had a round stage,

and so they would face different directions depending on the category, and so you got a different backdrop one of the few good production decisions i felt during this awards show but so joaquin phoenix was seated bottom left on one side and he was not shown on the broadcast except for that corner until like this third to last award where he was nominated for Bo is Afraid. And he got two seconds and he looked amazing. And everything I have said about Joaquin Phoenix stands forever. That is my king. But they really had absolutely everyone there to the point that they couldn't fit them all in the broadcast. Like Bruce Springsteen was just kind of also

lurking in reaction shots until he became the star of Yorgos Lanthimos' acceptance speech, which I thought was nice. Yeah, it was almost too star-packed, which is unusual for award shows in the last few years. So in that respect, the show was a success. You know, in another respect, what would you say is the story of this award show? Oppenheimer's going to win a lot of things, which we kind of already knew. Yeah. And this is confirmation. show what Oppenheimer is gonna win yeah a lot of things which we kind of already knew yeah um and

this is confirmation and you and I were like trying to identify like surprises among the things and there weren't that many tonight and so you know that I was even posing Robert Downey Jr. winning best supporting actor as like a well we weren't positive you know because of the the charles melton wave but he did win christopher nolan obviously won it won you know the the last award of the night was presented by oprah we got oprah it was really really good speaking of memes you know it was like she was giving away a key yeah it was wonderful you know i, God bless her. She knows what her job is. She shows up. She reads the prompter.

It was a real just trial by fire for people tonight. Can you read off a prompter or can you not? A journey with the prompter, yes, truly. A challenge for some, not for all. We'll get to some of those people who did well and those who did not so well as we go through this. But I agree with you. Obviously, Oppenheimer was nominated for eight awards tonight and it won five of those awards, including director, actor, and best drama

and supporting actors. So, you know, this has been the movie to beat since the moment that critics saw it. And it's probably the most widely acclaimed movie of the year. And it just kind of feels like a behemoth to me. It just kind of feels, it just feels like one of those years, I don't know, maybe like a gladiator year where you're like, you know what, just get out of this movie's way because it feels predestined. Now that, that, this may evolve. We have two full months now before, you know, maybe more love for the holdovers grows in that time. And we saw poor things win in best musical or Comedy. Those are really the two movies to me that seem most likely to upend the Oppenheimer narrative at this point. And we saw a really strong showing from the holdovers with two acting wins,

which is something that it's probably going to need if it's going to unseat Oppenheimer. And then Poor Things also with two huge wins for Best Actress in Musical or Comedy and Best Musical or Comedy. So it's possible, but it feels pretty unlikely at this point. Yeah. It seems very decided. And it's really just kind of how many below the line Oscars does it pick up? And is it like one of those nine of 12 or 10 out of 12 wins you know wins years which like it seems like it could be could be it's gonna win a lot of below the line for sure we saw uh ludwig ranson tonight won as well for score um a couple of things non-movie related before we really get into each award

and each speech um it was not a good showing for joeoy. Was anybody funny to you? Who was funny to you? Jim Gaffigan came out to introduce the Stand-Up Comedy Award. You asked me how many hours of stand-up comedy I'd seen this year, and the answer was quite literally one. It was nominated. It was the Chris Rock special. He didn't win. Who did win?

I've completely drawn a blank. It wasn't Amy Schumer. It wasn't Sarah Silverman. It wasn't Wanda Sykes. It was Ricky Gervais. Oh, that's right. Three-time host of the Golden Globes who could not be bothered to show up. So that was funny. That was very funny. Jim Gaffigan coming out and presenting an award for stand-up comedy and also being a stand-up comedian reminded me that there are people who do that well, you know? Yes. Jim Gaffigan, very funny, long-up comedian reminded me that like there are people who do that well you know

yes Jim Gaffney very funny long time comedian that was tough also mocking the entire like Netflix industry

of overpaying comedians for their stand-up specials right odd category I would say basically like five really famous well-known comedians

I don't you know I'm not the at the absolute vanguard of comedy right now this is not a stand-up comedy podcast like I

just like joke away admit it I've seen literally one hour of stand-up from 2023. I watch a fair bit, but it felt very, like, starter kit to me. Whatever. Okay. Andra Day and John Batiste singing each other

Super Mario Brothers, that was pretty good. That was probably the most genuine moment of the night. Also, Andra Day pausing at strip and leaning into the camera and just being like, strip malls, really good. Some people have it, you know? And it becomes even more apparent that some people don't when you get someone like Andra Day out on TV making it work. The only other time I felt as happy during this show is when Will Ferrell and Kristen

Wiig did their signature, We're going to come out and do a very odd, absurdist SNL gag. And it's going to have nothing to do with the show, really. But we're just going to be funny for three and a half minutes

and you're going to appreciate it. It did seem like in the room everyone really appreciated what they were bringing. But that always puts everything else in such sharp relief. When you have two or three

really great moments, you walk away thinking like, God, is it that hard yeah is it would it have been that hard to find two more people to do something as good as that and that's always the case like we always come out and we're like oh when they brought out you know the former snl stars whether it's will ferrell and kristen wieg or maya rudolph her but like they're always the highlights but it did feel like there were a lot of, who wrote this for the prompter? And did anyone think about it?

There were some really awkward, low moments. Let's have a quick chat about Kevin Costner and America Ferrera. You said it. Yeah. So, America Ferrera, of course, a supporting actor in Barbie this year. Kevin Costner, of course, a supporting actor in The Story of America, as written by Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner famously not available to attend the Golden Globes last year.

Because he was sheltering in place. Sheltering in place in Santa Barbara, as pointed out to us by Regina Hall. So he's returned. He's triumphantly returned. He made it, yeah. And he came on stage and America Ferrera was doing a very kind of polished, reading off the prompter experience, talking about what the

bodyguard meant to her as a young girl you know how she kind of reenacting the last scene and it moved her sure and kevin costner you know you would imagine would volley back with her about something that she did and he did he started to talk about this very famous speech that she has near the end of the barbie film and he's at I was like, he's kind of holding it together. He's delivering in return what she gave to him. And then about 13 seconds into him speaking words, it felt like his brain started leaking out of his ear. Now, I really like Kevin Costner,

and he is certainly a lion of lion of hollywood right now but i really was worried that there was something wrong with him because he just got at a he got at a pace and he never got off that pace in terms of and he was sort of laughing but like to himself but was he like was it was that like a barbie mockery like what was it wasn't clear to me whether he was laughing because of the knowledge that it was going so badly or whether there was just like some other joke or event that had the most of his attention okay you know and that he was laughing at while trying to get through this prompter thing he was it kind of seemed like right before he went up there, he like leaned over to one of his friends and was like,

watch what I do over here. And then like just went up and started doing a Will Ferrell bit, but didn't know and isn't as funny as Will Ferrell, so couldn't pull it off. Like either that or he had a brain hemorrhage. I have to be honest, Kevin Costner, a man of many talents, I have never thought of him as a person who does bits, you know? Or not a person who would be like, watch me do a bit or watch me take this live TV moment and like really see how I can play it.

But also not a man who, not a man of the prompter, you know, really kind of a going his own way. So maybe that was the issue is that he had not actually encountered the Barbie speech before he was asked to read it live from the pop prompter on television. And he was like, wait, this is what's happening? Very strange. Yeah. There were some TV awards given out. Yes. Three shows were awarded. And I think that were there only three shows made in America last year? Can you confirm or deny that? In America? Yeah. The Bear, Succession and Beef. Were those the only three TV shows there were? I think so. This is a movie pod. The Crown did win one award, but it was made in the UK, as I understand it. I mean, financed by Netflix, which is an American company. But they definitely, that's pretty British, you know, as these things go.

Those are the only shows that won awards. Yeah. The whole night. I like two of those shows a lot, and I just haven't seen Beef, so. Those were three of my five favorite shows of the year. So I have no problem with those shows winning awards. I did think it was a little strange to have like 13 TV categories and only give it to a very small handful of movies. That being said, or rather TV shows,

but that being said, not a ton of movies actually won awards tonight either. So the movies that did win awards were Oppenheimer, as I said, which had five. Barbie had two. Anatomy of a Fall had two. Poor Things had two. The Holdovers had two. Killers of the Flower Moon had one. And The Boy and the Heron had one. I don't think I've forgotten anything there, poor things had two, the holdovers had two, killers of the flower moon had one, and the boy in the heron had one. I don't think I've forgotten anything there, have I? No, you're the spreadsheet keeper.

Okay. I was also following along with you in this document throughout and adding my notes, so if you forgot something, I forgot it too. Well, we appreciate your contributions.

Thank you. The opening award of the night was Best Supporting Actress, as it so often is at this show and at the Academy Awards. And this is an interesting roster of people. Some people I'm rooting for here.

Emily Blunt, Danielle Brooks, Jodie Foster, Julianne Moore, Rosamund Pike, and Davon Joy Randolph. Davon Joy Randolph has basically been the frontrunner since The Holdovers was released. Yes. And it just feels like that's where this race is like it's done yeah but i'm great with that okay so she's excellent in the movie yeah and and i like her a lot and everything that i've seen her in so this is one of those where i'm like that's fine if it's just locked up and you can just see someone you like at parties and winning awards can i just flag this though as a just broader conversation point for the next two months?

So this happened last year, too, and the year before that. Yeah. And there's become a bit of stasis in the acting races where they become decided very early on. And it becomes clear, with maybe one or two exceptions, maybe you could have said it this time last year. As I did, I didn't think that Cate Blanchett would lose for TAR. Right.

But in fact, she did. Michelle Yeoh won the Academy Award. Right. So sometimes there are shifts in the win. And that was I mean Michelle Yeoh gave a wonderful performance and like is beloved and that did have a career aspect to it but that was also like the everything everywhere train just like rolling

along and just the momentum kind of became avoidable down the ballot. Yeah. no, I agree. That explains why Jamie Lee Curtis eventually went on to win for her category as well. This year, I thought she gave a good speech, a very short speech, the first of many people to read off of a piece of paper, which you appreciated. I do. I think that here's the thing that we got to do.

And this is both for awards shows and this is for you're given a toast at a wedding. You're given a toast at someone's like retirement whatever you're speaking in public you cannot have your phone out you cannot have your phone out you cannot be looking at your phone and notes on your phone so if you need notes which maybe you're nervous maybe you want to get it right maybe you don't want to forget someone have it on a piece of paper why is that better than a phone because the phone is just it's tacky like you could be on tiktok like what do i know you know maybe you're vlogging it's like just no no phones it just what if i had like a giant board with it on an easel and i read from that

but it was handwritten and it was like i had to flip the pages so it's like the snl cue cards yeah yeah are you bringing someone with you yeah what if i had a guy who was like, I had to flip the pages. So it's like the SNL cue cards? Yeah. Are you bringing someone with you? Yeah. What if I had a guy who was like my body guy and everywhere I went he had my cue cards? The question is, are you able to read from them or are you like Kevin Costner? And you're just like, where am I? Yeah. It depends on how big the font is, honestly.

Well, I'm so glad that you brought that up because someone had like size 18 at least. It was visible to me from the TV. I think it was the winner of our next award, actually. It was, yeah. For Best Supporting Actor, Robert Downey Jr. won for his work in Oppenheimer. I thought he gave a very funny speech as he often does. He's plugged into these. So do you think that every joke he made, and he made quite a few in his speech, was written? From what I could tell from the incredibly large font that was on the piece of paper that he was holding. Yes. It was the rhythms of the speech.

And I think the punchlines, I don't know if it was word for word, but I do think there was a roadmap there. Let me ask you this. Yeah. Did he write those words? I don't know. I don't need to cast aspersions like that. I like preparation. You know, I like that he came ready and that he was not reading from his phone. I found it amusing during the 2019-2020 awards run when Brad Pitt was winning this award at every award show. And that was another award where we were like, back in September, we were like, this one is done.

Actually, back in July, this one is done. Very similar to what's happening with Robert Downey Jr. Now, there are some folks here, you know, Willem Dafoe and Mark Ruffalo were nominated for Poor Things, Robert De Niro for Killers of the Flower Moon, Ryan Gosling for Barbie, Charles Melton for May, December, which you mentioned, who has had a big wave of late,

a newcomer that people are very excited about. But this certainly feels like somewhat, maybe somewhat similar to this, the Michelle Yeoh Award in that Robert Downey Jr. is being recognized for three and a half, four decades of great performances. And so he's very good in Oppenheimer. And also now that he has won something and gotten up on stage and been like the incredibly charismatic Robert Downey Jr. making the funny jokes, right amount of self-deprecation. It was just like, oh yeah, there we go. It just all clicks into place.

Yes. This is one where you haven't been seeing him win as many critics prizes because Robert Downey Jr. is so Hollywood and he is so the embodiment of Iron Man, Marvel, and the box office that, and because of the sense of inevitability about this award that I think we had started to like tell ourselves like, oh, maybe there is a Charles Melton play here. You know, maybe Gosling out of nowhere could get it. But that seems unlikely. It seems like it's Robert Downey Jr.'s to lose. And he was funny.

I, you know. I liked the speech. I liked the jokes. He made the first of a few pointed references to the new Golden Globes and identified the Golden Globes journalists who voted on this award. Do you care about the ethical state of the voters of this award show? I mean, I think it's better that they're trying than what was previously going on,

which was, as best I could tell, the exchange of money for, or goods for votes, and also just, you know, gross interpersonal behavior, like on the part of pretty much every voter. So yeah, I mean, it's better if it's not that. Do I want to read all of their work? I don't really, you know, I'm not going to go byline hunting. You get a call tomorrow morning. Amanda, we've just heard your podcast episode. Thank you for your thoughtful words about our show. We'd like you to join.

We'd like you to be a member. What do you say? No, I want the call asking me to produce the show. Why don't you and I produce it? Careful what you wish for here. No, I don't. But I was like, I definitely could write better interstitial stuff. Would you bring Joe Coy back?

No, of course not. So first move, he's out. Yeah. Canceling his 10-year contract. Did you hear that? He signed a 10-year contract with the Globes. My very brave vision for the Golden Globes. That guy doesn't get in front of a microphone again.

Fair enough. What other notes are you bringing to the production of the show? I'm going to get a stopwatch and I'm going to make all the, someone run all the presenter lines. And if it's under, I'm sorry, if it's over two minutes, we're going to cut that down. Okay.

And maybe I'll keep the clip saying the same. No. You want all the acting clips? What are you talking about? I do not need to see the sixth nominee for a limited TV miniseries or movie like acting real. I'm really sorry. I don't need to see it. I have things to do. I have a child. I got to get home. You know, you're talking about your child's asleep. We're watching the show.

TV's on. It's grown up time. Show me people acting. That's what I want to see. That's why I'm here. For movies, sure. Again, once you get into the TV thing. So no clips for TV, but more clips for movies. Maybe three scenes each per actor for movies, but the TV people, nothing. Okay. I'm going to pitch another thing. What if instead of being the producers, you and I just get to pick the clips for everyone? Oh, my God.. Oh my God.

Oh my God. What are we good at that? I just, I'm available for that right now. And then I'll be there to make sure that you are efficient. No. Yes. I want to spend weeks on this. What are you talking?

What's the point? Reviewing the materials, re-reviewing the material. Sean, you can prepare for as long as you'd like. I just mean the final product is not going to be you being like, well, let's just show all of Killers of the Flower Moon. You know? A film I loved. Would it have been a better use of everyone who watched this telecast time tonight to just watch Killers of the Flower Moon? Absolutely.

Okay, yeah, I agree with you. In fact, my wife did exactly that tonight. God bless her. Did we have an early review? Haven't heard back from her. Okay. So hopefully she's not asleep. I pray to God that she finished the film in one sitting.

And if she did, extra love tonight. Okay. Best screenplay motion picture. This one was fun. This was really interesting. This is the most interesting thing I think that happened tonight. Yeah. Which is that Anatomy of a Fall, Justine Triet and Arthur Harari's script won.

Now, of course, at the Oscars, there is both adapted and original screenplay. Anatomy of a Fall is an original story created by Trie. And this one is not really being tabbed anywhere. Like this is an unusual choice, I would say, in the marketplace of awards right now. Okay. And that's exciting. Is that a subset of the marketplace of ideas? It is, yes. That's like around the corner, other aisle. and that's exciting is that a subset of the marketplace of ideas it is yes

that's like around the corner other aisle it's just past the dry goods it's the discount store yeah and Adam Eve of Fall

of course a wonderful movie that we talked about on the show right you know not to sound like a former president but more and more people

are seeing and loving every day I had two separate conversations about the movie this weekend. I did as well. Yeah, I did as well. Basically, Chris saw it, finally.

The long conversation with Chris and his wife Phoebe about the movie, which was delightful. And another friend as well also texted me. It was like, hey, dog, I saw this movie. You're fucking sick, bro.

Which I agree. Fucking sick, bro. Justine Triet won, gave a good speech for this award. You know, she'll be competing in original. There's also an adapted screenplay. We also haven't had a chance to talk about the decision that Barbie... The fact that they called Barbie?

Yeah, so Barbie... Yeah, Judd Apatow's very upset, so... Well, maybe Justine Trieu will be very happy because I think most people felt like the holdovers would be the big beneficiary of Barbie moving out of original because there was an expectation that Barbie was the frontrunner in the original screenplay race.

That film has been clarified, classified by the Academy as an adaptation. Judd Apatow tweeted his discontent about that. And then many people quote tweeted him saying he's dumb. I have no opinion about that either way. I do think Barbie is IP. And it is pretty clearly IP because there are like literally dozens of movies and TV shows featuring the character Barbie. So I think that's not unreasonable. I got you with that one, huh? There's just something about like people like quote tweeting, John Avatow quote tweeting the Academy being like a doll. I mean, we live in hell.

We live in hell. Like in a plastic box. It's real. And thus, I mean, we live in hell. We live in hell. Like in a plastic box. It's real. And thus, it's really, we live in hell. Not only do we live inside of this, but we perpetuate this culture every day by talking about it here, the two of us. And I'm so proud of us for doing so. I do think Anatomy of a Fall has a chance to win an Academy Award for its screenplay. Probably not a good chance, but it has a chance.

It feels like it's the holdovers to lose at this point for me. I think that's true. The holdovers wasn't even competing in this category, which was very strange. Yeah. And I don't really know what to say about that because it's not like the actors in Paul Giamatti and Dave André Randolph both won. So this movie was on people's radar. I don't know. Maybe it's just the condensed like one category. I do want to talk about her speech. Please do. I don't know, maybe it's just the condensed, like, one category. I do want to talk about her speech. Please do. Because she, it was short, charming, also pre-written, typed out, smaller font. But I liked that she was prepared.

And she was talking about the unlikelihood of this movie being made and all of the subject matter that doesn't, you know, make it seem appealing. And she listed a couple fighting, suicide, a vomiting dog. And so I immediately said, suicide? Did she just spoil Anatomy of a Fall? And I guess if people haven't seen Anatomy of a Fall, I'm not going to say any more, but i did wonder whether that was giving away something that we argued about at great length on an earlier podcast it's it's very possible that it was that would be an odd place to reveal her ultimate feelings about the story that she made and then ultimately made ambiguous right nevertheless crazier things have happened i don't know i'm just pointing it out. It was not her last time.

No. On stage. She won another award, which we will get to momentarily. This was one full hour of the show, just those handful of awards. There were a couple of TV awards thrown in there as well.

There were no clips during this period. I was very upset. Yeah. That did lead to Best Picture, non-English language, which was also a win for Anatomy of a Fall and another speech from Justine Triet. Fantastic blouse, by the way, from Justine Triet. I said it to you at the time. She was just very Amanda Coded in her styling.

I just felt like that was ripped from your closet. What did you think? Oh, thank you. That's very kind. I mean, it was a velvet suit, as best I could tell. I don't own one of those. Do you think that's something I should get into? A velvet suit?

Yeah. Not when you're child-rearing, but maybe at other times. I don't know. It was dark velvet, so maybe the stains wouldn't... Yeah, give it a try. Head down to the ice cream shop with your son, see what happens. Films that were nominated in that category include Fallen Leaves, Io Capitano, Past Lives, Society of the Snow, and The Zone of Interest.

Notable that Past Lives and The Zone of Interest were not to be heard from tonight. Yeah. Past Lives, over the weekend, won the National Society of Film Critics Award for Best Feature, which then kicked up a whole mess of people complaining about Past Lives, which I don't really respect and I'm not interested in. I was on, quote, tweeting Joe Dabshaw Twitter, so I wasn't a part of that. I was just litigating the politics of a plastic box. Two different, yeah. There's Dabshow Twitter and then there's film Twitter and, you know, never the twain shall meet, unfortunately. Anatomy of a Fall is obviously not going to be nominated for Best International Feature at the Academy Awards

because it was not selected by France as its entry. The Taste of Things was, which was not nominated here, interestingly. Which rules, so. Oh, wonderful film. But maybe that means that Anatomy of a Fall

has an increased chance to win for screenplay because it will not be able to be recognized, although Sandra Holler could also be recognized in Best Actress, which we'll get to shortly.

I think it just means that Anatomy of a Fall is, if not a lock, recognized and best actress which we'll get to shortly um i think it just means that anatomy of a fall is if not a lock then like really likely for best picture i'm thinking it's it's been kind of floating at 9 10 11 12 13 on our lists and there it's a very dynamic list right now but yeah 8 9 10 11 and 12 is dynamic i would say everything one through seven is sure the very dynamic list right now. But yeah, eight, nine, 10, 11 and 12 is dynamic. I would say everything.

One through seven is the definition of not dynamic. It is not changing. It has not changed. Well, we could talk about seven, some number seven sometime, which is a film. Just like,

just another time. I feel like this is probably the place to do it. Maestro did not win anything tonight either. Ah, and, um, I'd like this is probably the place to do it. Maestro did not win anything tonight either. Ah. And. Yeah. I'd like to have a Cooper corner. Sure.

Where we just discuss that film and what's going on with it and its chances. And Bradley Cooper. Can we talk about Bradley Cooper at the Golden Globes tonight? In seven and a half minutes. Yeah.

Okay, let's keep going through these other categories. So we're going in order? We are going in order. Yeah, chronologically. You didn't tell me that. Well, this is podcast hosting. I don't know what to say.

Just stay excited. Immediately after Justine Treye won her second award, Natalie Portman and Florence Pugh came out and they introduced

the nominees for Best Motion Picture Animated, your favorite category. I've seen many of these films. Congratulations. Some of them are good.

Florence Pugh, of of course this year provided not one but two voices to the dubbed US version English version of The Boy and the Heron Natalie Portman has provided her voice work

to The Simpsons and also to the television program Bluey so I think these were grand choices to introduce this category and they seemed really

committed to their work so I want to thank them for that The Boy and the Heron won Miyazaki's masterpiece I think these were grand choices to introduce this category, and they seemed really committed to their work. So I want to thank them for that. The Boy in the Heron won. Yeah. Miyazaki's masterpiece. I thought there was a chance Spider-Verse was going to do really well because it's just such a beloved movie.

I don't know if you saw the Letterboxd here in review, but a lot of fucking people liked Spider-Verse. It was, like, very big on Letterboxd this year. But not for the Academy Awards and not for the Golden Globes, apparently. I think this is nice. I'd love to get breaking news from you, you know? I'm full of information. Where would I learn things

if I didn't have you to tell me? You'd probably just have to look at your phone like I do. Just really obvious shit. That's not a surprising win. I do think it's going to now win at the Academy Awards. Yeah.

The Miyazaki film. This also, this category resulted in you just yelling, why not? Where are they? When it was announced that the producers weren't available

to accept the award. Yeah, what were they doing? Big time the Globes. You were really interacting with the screen tonight. This is what I, that's what it's like

to see a movie with me every time. I'm just screaming. It's really not. If you do that in a movie theater, I will, I will chokes slam you to hell.

I will absolutely give you the tombstone. Like, there is no way you can speak at that volume in my movie theater. That's just something I'm putting out in the world. But with mixed company, such as Bobby and Corey, I feel comfortable. Okay. You okay with it? I mean, it was funny. Thank you.

The next category that we saw, which seemingly took three more hours, was Best Director, Motion Picture. I thought this was a little early to give this award, but now, in hindsight, I see why they did it, which is to get some distance between Best Drama and this category. The nominees in this category were Bradley Cooper, Greta Gerwig, Yorgos Lanthimos, Christopher Nolan, Martin Scorsese, and Céline Song. Chris Nolan won. Sure did. His reaction was just like a nod of the head like, yes, that's correct. Yes. Thank you for also being correct. No matter what happened tonight,

I was going to be the winner. Very regal, but like, you know, some people, he seemed comfortable. He was sure of himself. Yeah. Yeah. He's just coming off a very funny acceptance speech at the New York Film Critics Circle last week. I thought he gave a very good speech. He cited the fact that the last time he was on that stage, he was accepting an award for the late Heath Ledger, who he had worked with on the Dark Knight film. He noted that when he was giving that speech, he locked eyes with Robert Downey Jr., which is interesting because one year later, Robert Downey Jr. would be Iron Man. And then that set off an era of Hollywood. And now they are united, obviously, in Oppenheimer.

And he called Cillian Murphy my partner in crime for 20 years, which I thought was interesting. They've obviously worked together many times, but there is this, I felt this kind of narrativizing of the Nolan-Cillian thing. And obviously, Cillian Murphy is competing for Best Actor. He's, I would say, universally appreciated as an actor, but I don't know

if he's beloved because he's kind of, he kind of stays above the fray. You know, he doesn't live in Hollywood. He doesn't seem to get involved

in, like, the bullshit hijinks. He's just, like, a married guy. I think he lives in Ireland. Cillian Murphy? Yeah.

Yeah, he rules. He's doing what I want to do. He's so cool. Yeah. There are lots of memes about him on the internet, though, where his,

like, favorite hobbies are he likes his family and he likes sleeping. Yeah. I mean, who can relate? He's obviously a wonderful actor, but I thought that that was a clever way of framing them in this race. And obviously, you know, everybody else that he's worked with, his producing partner is his wife. And it's a family affair at this point uh for the for the nolan machine can i ask you something about chris nolan and his other acceptance speech

sure and the peloton yes so you have since seen the video i have how long do you think you could hold the weights out like that while podcasting and should should we try? Well, that sounds like a summer episode to me if I've ever heard one. How heavy are the weights? I didn't zoom in, but I would guess they're five pounders. They might be a little lighter. It's not like a, it's not a bulking pod.

Hi, Bobby. Oh, Bobby's three. Hi, Bob. Thanks so much. This is so fun. Bobby is waving three through the weird observation window. Okay, three pounds

um how long could i do it yeah so you're holding them out like this okay so and directly in front of your shoulders i love to podcast with you so um i think yeah i could go the entire pod you holding them out hold on hold on hold on but i am a New Yorker, and I talk with my hands, and I gesticulate sometimes wildly while talking. And so I think I would... It would be hard for me to actually perform because I would be having the weights in my hands, and I would feel like I was in the rack or something. I wouldn't feel like I could be myself.

So you think that you could keep your arms straight. Well, I couldn't ultimately. That's what I'm saying. I think what I'm saying is I couldn't ultimately. But it's only because you wouldn't fully be able to express yourself. Yes. Bobby, can we get a review? Is she moving them around?

You have never been more wrong. I know that. I know that, Bobby. For 90 minutes out straight. Before I dropped the hammer, I wanted to know whether him gesticulating with them

would be allowed in the context. Is she moving them? Is she doing any sort of movement or is it just a static hold? I did not watch the entire Peloton video, but she might have done

some raises, you know, some shoulder raises. Yeah, yeah. Anything to kind of like break the... Some rows? Because the endurance

is the hardest part. Well, I invited her to the pod tonight. Come on in, Peloton lady, and come sit with us, and we'll talk about it. I would be really excited. I will give you $1,000 American dollars if you can go 90 minutes holding your arms out straight with any weight. You can't do that. You put something real on the line, for Christ's sake. $1,000 American dollars?

We can do better than that. What about your everlasting soul, Bob? Come on. I'll give you that, too, because you can't do it. I don't think that you could last five minutes. Five minutes? I don't, Bobby. It would be a serious challenge for you to do it for five minutes.

Yeah, five minutes. Just five minutes, three pound weight. And honestly, we should just go head to head. And I bet I could go longer than you. Well, I did not put that on the table. Are we putting five minutes on the table? I don't think you could do it. I don't think that you understand.

I lift weights today, now. What are you talking about? I don't lift weights. That's insane. That's truly insane. I think I could do it. I think I could do five minutes. Okay.

Could I do 90 minutes? Probably not. Could I do one hour? Let's honestly, like, I will bring the three pound weights in could i do 22 minutes no could i do one episode of abbott elementary that's 22 minutes yeah no i don't think that you could i maybe you could make it to like eight i don't know if you could make it to 10 i honestly think five would be let's get peloton to sponsor the whole thing you know let's get this lady involved let's make a whole show of it let's raise some money for

charity why not you know i don't i'm up for it i don't mind i certainly don't mind being embarrassed the whole thing. Okay. You know, let's get this lady involved. Let's make a whole show of it. Let's raise some money for charity. Why not? You know, I'm up for it. I don't mind, I certainly don't mind being embarrassed. I am absolutely not in the peak health of my life.

that's why I'm saying, yeah. That being said, Christopher Nolan doing Peloton, that's hilarious. It's great. Him getting dunked on whilst doing Peloton,

taking a Peloton class, hilarious. Really funny. Him then destroying the career of a Peloton instructor at the New York Film Critics Circle is even funnier than the first two things.

It was all great. A plus content from everyone involved. Do you think that tonight she was afraid she would be referenced from the stage? I don't, honestly.

Do you think she's listening right now? No. I think Peloton instructors live differently. Okay. You know? And she has seen Oppenheimer. They found her. She liked Oppenheimer. They found her.

She liked Oppenheimer. They didn't find her. She put something on the internet to identify who she is so that she could glide off of this moment and get more money. Right.

Again. The FBI wasn't tasked with finding this woman. Exactly. So, you asked me, was she afraid that she'd be referenced? No, I think she was.

She's probably disappointed that they didn't. Did they do an SNL sketch about her? I don't know. Is SNL not back yet? I don't know. Is SNL that back yet? I don't know. I honestly couldn't tell you.

I'm really old now, so I don't watch SNL anymore. Number one podcast for all of your stand-up comedy and also network comedy needs. Kristen Wiig and Will Ferrell doing one sketch on the Globes is all the SNL I'll be watching this year, unfortunately for me. Let's go to the next category, okay? Okay. Best performance by an actress in a motion picture, musical or comedy. Fantasia Brino, The Color Purple, Jennifer Lawrence, No Hard Feelings, Natalie Portman, May December, Alma Poisty for Fallen Leaves, Margot Robbie for Barbie, Emma Stone for Poor Things. This featured the funniest moment

from a nominee, which was while Jennifer Lawrenceifer lawrence was being shown she very impressively mouthed the words if i don't win i'm leaving and then gave the i'm out of here signal i'll tell you something if they'd shown a clip we wouldn't have gotten that moment uh no because when they show the clip don't they put the picture in the frame or no do they not do that no and you get like a much shorter focus on what clip from millhard feelings would you have shown i mean obviously the naked beach right yeah come on let's be real yeah i i guess you're right that was very funny yeah jay law just she's embraced being a comedy star i'm all the way in now it's great and then she did not win emma stone won for four things and she and emma stone i are like I think genuinely friends and so her reaction shot

of Emma Stone winning and her genuine enthusiasm like she was at an NFL game was but was that for that or for the fact that she could then leave or maybe it doubles

I think I think it was at first like fake outrage like she was leaving and then she realized it was Emma Stone and then was like genuinely happy

but she didn't leave I saw her later I feel there's been a lot of requests for an episode about horror things by the listeners of the show I feel like we have done

the right thing which is I wanted to see if this was going to happen and it did happen which is that she won here and the film won for musical or comedy which we'll talk about

in a moment and now we can really dig into the movie as more people see it Emma Stone said I see this as a rom-com right how do you feel And now we can really dig into the movie as more people see it. Emma Stone said, I see this as a rom-com. Right. How do you feel about that delineation?

Well, it's not, but that's okay. I get what she said. I see this as a rom-com, but where Bella, who is her character, falls in love with life. Which is, that's fine. You could also describe Working Girl that way. You could describe Barbie that way in a lot of ways so it's not

an actual rom-com but anything to get people to watch your movie is Barbie a rom-com? no and Working Girl I've struggled with a lot

it might actually not be a romantic comedy what about Kills of the Fallen Moon? no yeah not this cut anyway Slawbird?

it's a romantic comedy but he falls in love with himself i see well put yeah um have you been talking with folks out in the world about the film saltburn you've been getting out there shaking hands and kissing babies and saying sir or madam have you seen saltburn Let's discuss it here in this diner. Whistle stop tour for Salt Burn viewership. You know, I ask people who watched it what they think it was about. What do they tell you? What's on the street? They're just like, I don't know. Like, you know, I liked MGMT2.

Yep, yep. It was twist. I don't, yeah. This is a true story. My wife watched the film on Thursday night. Yeah. And I caught the final 20 minutes of it with her. And after it ended, she was like, I thought that was pretty good.

And I was like, interesting. Cool. What'd you like? And she said, oh, you know, great costumes. It looks beautiful. I was having fun. I said, what's the movie about? And she just stopped talking.

And then she was very pointedly, and this is what it's like to be married to me, I think. She was like, why does that matter? Oh, okay. So I think that's a good response. Fair. Nevertheless, stupid movie. Okay, best performance by an actor in a motion picture drama. The nominees were Bradley Cooper, Cillian Murphy, Leonardo DiCaprio,

Coleman Domingo, Andrew Scott, and Barry Keoghan. You were really mad that this was done so early in the broadcast even though it was done at like... Was I? What did I say?

Yeah, you were just like, why are they doing Best Actor so early? We've got so many awards to give out. I think they had like eight more awards after this?

You were doing like a real like I'm at a restaurant and I'm like trying to like banter with the waiter except like it was just with the screen and I'm like trying to like banter with the waiter, except like it was just with the screen and I was just there. And so were Bobby and Corey.

Well, no one was sitting like near each other. Like Bobby was in the like top left behind me and Corey was like four rows back behind me. And you and I were on these couches in the screening room here at the lovely Spotify offices. But like they were far apart. So it was often like, what? What's going on?

What a wild show this is. Like not a normal speaking voice. And we also have reached the point of our lives where we're very sensitive to the volume of the commercials, which were quite loud. Very loud. But it was like a real- I wonder if that was true for the viewers at home.

Yeah, I know. But we were real just like, I can't hear anything. I'm trying to make a joke. We need to turn this down. Yeah. So I apologize for my interaction with the screen and treating it like it was a server at a three-star restaurant. But that's just how it was. But you were, yes, one of the things that you were bantering on about was like, this is way too early.

And what are they going to do now? It wasn't too early for Killian Murphy. He won right on time. Look at you. Right on time. I can't derail you. I did, actually. The Peloton thing did derail you for like five minutes.

Cut all that out of the pod, Bob. Killian Murphy did make reference to another well-known meme, which is that there are no chairs on Christopher Nolan's sets. He pointed out that there's a complete lack of seating options for his actors on sets. He said one of the most beautiful and vulnerable things about being an actor is that you can't do it on your own. Can't do it alone. I thought that was a good quote.

I mean, he's the man. He's great. He rules. He's so great. Wonderful. He started that he got up on stage and was like, first thing, do I have lipstick on my nose? Which he did from his wife.

And then he's like, I'm just going to leave it there. It's very endearing. Very comfortable in his own skin. So I think to me, the biggest question coming out of this show, and it's correlated to what we saw in the best actor in motion picture comedy or musical, which we can talk about momentarily, but I think for a long time, and even in awards prognosticators and the betting markets, it's been Cillian Murphy versus Bradley Cooper. You know, it's been Oppenheimer

versus Maestro. It's been two great men up against each other, two real life stories, two biopic type stories. Maestro, hotly tabbed for years, produced by Spielberg

and Martin Scorsese and a dream project for Bradley Cooper. We both like the movie, but it really feels like the air has come out of the balloon in a big way and so now the snoopy balloon perhaps the snoopy balloon has been deflated and been left in the vestibule um and his awards chances were left in the vestibule in some ways after after this win and after this lovely speech by Cillian Murphy, they cut to Bradley Cooper, who was seated.

The maestro table was front and center. It was right around the ring. Spielberg was at the table. And it was just like a very classic, like, Bradley Cooper, I'm happy, it's fine, everything's okay. And they lingered on him him and he was really giving. That was kind of mean that they did that.

The only thing that I'll say is that Bradley Cooper is also a noted Eagles fan and it was not a good day on that

side of things either. As I know from personal experience, I went from one horror to another. So, you know, maybe he was working through

things simultaneously. I don to another. So, you know, maybe he was working through things simultaneously. I don't know. Okay, so this is premature, but I'm curious how you feel about this. What direction will this push Bradley Cooper to? Because we have this understanding that he is very desperate to be recognized in the hallowed halls of the great actors and great directors. Going all the way back to seeing him in those early clips and inside the actor's studio where he is very sincerely asking great filmmakers and actors how they do what they do. He's still doing it. He started crying in front of Michael Mann.

You know, just like everywhere he goes. I thought that was nice. I think it's obviously very performative. But it was like you got a stock letter, you know, and that Michael Mann signed. No offense. And then, like, Michael Mann literally to his face in that video is like, I do that to every, I send that to everyone who auditions for me. Okay? Like, it's nice, but my guy has, like, turned it up really, really high. Is he going to become the Joker?

And I don't mean in the film The Batman, I mean, will this make him more thirstier, crazier, more, you know, desperate to be acknowledged for something like this? Or, you know,

the other thing is that Bradley Cooper has not really been making a huge effort to be a commercial star in the last five years. He's obviously been able to play Rocket Raccoon

in Marvel movies, and that's kept him in that space. But like, you know, American Sniper is like a $400 million movie that is entirely on his shoulders. Like he is actually in the last 15 years when he wants to be one of the most commercial movie stars we have.

But he's kind of moved away from that in some ways. A Star is Born did very well, but it's still very auteurist and a very complicated movie. And Maestro is, that's a real director's movie. You know, it's a complicated and borderline abstract biopic of a great man. So I'm, I guess I'm thinking through like, what is this going to do to him? Cause it, it's a very low, low, low level of humiliation that you have to go through when you feel like

you're doing something and it's clear to everyone who's watching that you want something and they won't give it to you. Yeah. You know, it's just real Charlie Brown in the football right now with him. So will that make him more daring? Will it make him work in a more obvious register? I'm curious. Yeah. I don't know.

The thing that's so interesting about it is also that what reads as you know it's it's very obvious that he wants these things and that's great it's good to want things in life you know go try i want to hold two three pound barbells in front of my face for five minutes without breaking that's what i want but i think you know in the same way that you and i are both obsessed with the oscars and also like make fun of people who care about it too much. And I make fun of Academy voters lighting up for free screens, you know, just like these people are desperate. You know, we there was something that we maybe don't like quite look down upon about really wanting it that much. But we try to distance ourselves from it. And I don't think

most of Hollywood is that way. And he is beloved by Hollywood. He is like the most popular guy in Hollywood. Everyone loves him. And I think- He's very sincere. But that sincerity works for everybody else. So maybe it doesn't feel as humiliating. Maybe only we think it's humiliating. Maybe we're the problem.

I'm not the problem. I'm rooting for him. I hope he wins. I don't care. You hope he wins over your beloved Cillian Murphy? Yeah, because, well, I don't honestly have

a huge personal relationship to Cillian Murphy. I think he's very good in Oppenheimer. I think, I just want him to win so we can get past this. Like, that's kind of what I'm circling is like,

I don't want to see another like important sounding movie from Bradley Cooper. I want to see a fun, cool movie from Bradley Cooper. Like, get into your, if you're going to be a great filmmaker,

get into your Scorsese, get into your Paul Thomas Anderson, get into your whatever it is, like stop like doing things where you're desperately reaching for the recognition and just do something that feels more real and raw and unusual. Maestro shows you that he has it in him, that there are sequences in the movie where you're like, this is a very bold filmmaker, but on the whole, the subject matter, et cetera, et cetera. I don't know. I'm, know i'm i'm curious about it because it's not just that he wants it a lot of people want it most people want it when you get under the surface everybody wants to win so it's not about that it's just that he's just such a like a volcano of a person like you can see when

it's getting ready to blow and so he can't help but seem hungry for the thing in a way that many people are able to kind of tamp down. Do you think he wants actor or director more? Probably director at this point. Yeah. It feels like. But I don't think he has a chance at that, really. But not in a year like this. Oh, no, no, no.

I just mean long term. Yeah. I mean, he might actually be nominated this year, but there's like seven or eight people should be nominated ahead of him, in my opinion. Nevertheless, Cillian Murphy won. actually be nominated this year but there's like seven or eight people should be nominated ahead of him in my opinion nevertheless um killing murphy won let's just go right to to best actor so just that we can put a cap

on the giamatti thing okay um now we can go out of order well it's helpful in the flow of this conversation best best performance by an actor in a motion picture musical or

comedy nicholas cage for dream scenario timothy chalamet for wonka matt damon for air paul giamatti for the holdovers joaquin phoenix for beau is afraid jeffrey wright for american fiction giamatti won of course thought gave a very good speech um another actor who i think is beloved but who has a much lower

profile than your cooper types uh there's definitely a world where he could win um i don't think it's likely but I think that as more and more people see that movie and not very many people saw the movie in theaters right

it's on Peacock now it's been on VOD for about six weeks a lot of a lot of screenings being held it was a perfect movie over Christmas

I think a lot of families watched it over Christmas yeah uh I heard the phrase instant Christmas classic from more than one person when I talked to them about it. You know, famously didn't even get nominated for Sideways and was later nominated for Cinderella Man like a year or two later as like a makeup, even though that performance isn't, you know, fine compared to Sideways. And people love him in pain. So it seems very plausible to me.

And it feels like much more like the races now Giamatti versus Murphy rather than Murphy versus Cooper. What do you think? That's also seems like one where the glad handing and the, just like really working for it, which Paul Giamatti is like doing in his way. You have cited the Mark Maron episode of wonderful um with paul giamatti to me multiple times um can i tell you can i tell you what film they discussed lovingly for about three

seconds on that pod yes the equalizer three yeah yeah you sent me the clip so i know that i listened amazing i listened to it so giamatti on a plane watching equalizer three that's heaven right but that's the sort of thing where he keeps doing that and he keeps reaching people bit by bit i mean khalid morphy seems so like cool and just you know inaccessible in his like irish wonderland with his lovely family that that maybe he'll i mean he's been showing up to everything it's not like he hasn't been campaigning d More dutiful, yeah. Yeah, but it just seems like Giamatti could do like an old school Oscar run.

Coming around the corner. Exactly. Yeah. That'd be interesting. Two music categories. Best Original Score Motion Picture. Ludwig Garantzen. Jersken Fendrix. Robbie Robertson. Mika Levy. Daniel Pemberton. And Joe Hisayishi.

Great category, you yelled. It is a great category. A lot of great nominees. A lot of great films in this category. Every film in this category is superb. Grant's in one. Yeah. Not a surprise.

You know, I honestly prefer the Tenet score. The Tenet score is out of this world. Okay. That's Rainy Night in Talon. That's a jam and a half. That's what will play for you while you try to hold out.

Oh my God. Then you'll lose. Okay. I will absolutely be Rainy Night in Talon. Just mark it. That will be my soundtrack for when I dominate

for four minutes and 59 seconds before collapsing into a pile on the ground. Best original song. Barbie, What Was I Made For? by Billie Eilish and Phineas.

Barbie, Dance the Night Away by Dua Lipa. She Came to Me, Addicted to Romance by Bruce Springsteen and Patti Siafla. The Super Mario Brothers movie, Peaches by Jack Black. Barbie, I'm Just Ken by Mark Ronson and Andrew Wyatt. And Rustin, Road to Freedom by Lenny Kravitz. So all your favorite artists are in this category. Listen, many of them are.

Dua Lipa, Lenny Kravitz, who Bobby tried to claim as a marker in his generational war to be millennial instead of Gen Z. He claims that he knows about Lenny kravitz he was there for the except the facts robert what what you think i don't know about lenny kravitz i don't understand you don't know lenny kravitz who was the guy really no i don't who was the guy who you knew about that i was like that means you're Gen Z. I don't even remember. Oh, Josh Peck. Yes. Josh Peck.

There we go. Okay. Gen Z doesn't know squat about Josh Peck. Okay. That's fine. You keep trying. Anyway, my beloved Dua Lipa didn't win. My beloved Mark Ronson did not win.

Billie Eilish won for the most boring of the Barbie songs. What was I made for? I thought her fit was cool. I have no comments on this category or this win. All right. Let's talk about cinematic and box office achievement. Complicated moment here on the telecast. So this is a new category. Looks an awful lot like a category that the Oscars attempted to insert into their programming and that many people shouted down. Those people had, I think, a very good point, which is that why would you give an award to films that already got an award, which is the most money at the box office? Nevertheless, the Golden Globes, they persisted and they got this award on the show. Congrats to them.

The nominees for that award were Barbie, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3, John Wick Chapter 4, Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning Part 1, Oppenheimer, Spider-Man, Across the Spider-Verse, the Super Mario Bros. movie, Taylor Swift,

The Heiress Tour. I suggested to you that the only reason that they did this this year was to basically get Taylor, Super Mario Bros., Mission Impossible,

a bunch of movies, John Wick, that otherwise would not have been nominated. And yet, they gave the win to Barbie which of course was the number one movie

at the box office right so was that how it was going to go every year they're just going to be like number one movie

at the box office I wonder what's going to win this year like what is the point of this like what is the achievement that it made the most money or is something else no I mean this case, it seems like they were relieved, oh, we can give Barbie an award so we don't have to give Barbie any other awards.

And we can get Marco Robbie on stage and Greta Gerwig on stage. And they all got up, which was a sign to me that perhaps they knew there would not be another opportunity to be on stage. In a very, this is ungenerous, but this actually felt like maybe you're not winning any Oscars. Yeah. You know, it was a little bit of like, this is what we think of you, which is kind of rude. I mean, I'm not saying that the movie deserves that, but this is a bullshit award and they shouldn't be giving stuff like this out at awards where we're attempting to clarify artistic merit. You could make the case that artistic merit is an illusion in the first place.

But like they got their prize. Barbie is a massive fucking sensation, and everybody involved in it will get to live forever on the glory of being a part of Barbie, which genuinely took over the world of movies for weeks and weeks and weeks. So, I find this whole thing stupid. I do as well. But they got what they wanted because they got to have Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig on stage. They got Taylor Swift showed up. She did.

With Miles Tellers' wife. I thought she was going to win and I thought getting her to go there, that was the whole point and they just didn't do that. Instead, she just gossiped

with Selena Gomez in some of the reaction shots which were also very good. I enjoyed that. Yeah. There was one in particular where Selena Gomez seemed to be telling

Taylor Swift something extraordinarily interesting and unusual. We'll never know what that is. What do you think it was? I honestly, I'm not up to date, but I think that Selena was closer to Timmy and Kylie than the rest of us. So maybe it was about that. We haven't gotten to talk about the Timmy and Kylie cam yet. Would you like to?

I thought it was riveting. I thought that kylie looked beautiful okay and uh they seem to like canoodling with each other in public places so why not okay i have no comments okay um we already went through best performance by an actor in a comedy or musical that takes us to best picture, musical, or comedy. The nominees were Barbie, Holdovers, excuse me, Barbie, Poor Things, American Fiction, The Holdovers, May, December, and Air. Poor Things won. It did.

I've been thinking a lot about the two Golden Globes members who I sat next to in Venice who were just loudly trashing Poor Things. How do you think they're feeling tonight? Do you think they were in the room? I assume they're asleep because they're in Italy and not watching the Golden Globes live. But I could be wrong. Maybe they stayed up till 3 a.m. to watch. There was some commotion because not all of the new Golden Globes voters got to attend the Golden Globes, and they were mad about that.

I saw that. I also saw some consternation from producers of films who were sitting all the way in the back yeah to that i say what a shame um yorgos lanthimos accepted the award he directed the film he a very strange thing happened um bruce springsteen as we noted was there. And Yorgos Lanthimos kept gesturing towards Bruce Springsteen and noting that he was his hero. Yeah. And that he inspired him. Yeah. Which if you asked me to name the 100 musical artists that inspired Yorgos Lanthimos,

Bruce Springsteen would not come up. He just would not think of him. That's true. Yeah. I mean, that would be an interesting dissertation, trying to find the influence of one on the other. You know, it's a free idea for some student out there. You were sort of talking during the beginning of this when he was just like, wow, that's Bruce Springsteen.

You know, and I found that really relatable. We were talking a little bit about whether you and I would give good acceptance speeches were we ever, you know, called up to the stage. And I think that would— I wasn't asked whether I would. I think I asked you and then you just kept looking straight ahead. So it's nice of you to frame it that way, but that isn't what happens. No, I can get to the question because I was like, I think that I could do a good job, but the energy would be very like, oh, wow, that's Bruce Springsteen. Like, hello, Bruce Springsteen, you know?

It would be sort of distracted. So I understood. What happened after that? What do I say after that? Yeah. I don't know. Nothing. You say nothing, you ask me nothing.

There is no follow-up. You just go about your day watching the show. No interaction, no time for me. I noted with interest. I don't know whether, would you print out your speech in advance? No, I never do that. Okay. Sorry. Excuse me. I like to give speeches off the cuff. I have written speeches before and I've given, I gave a speech recently that I had like on like a teleprompter type of thing. But

I, for the most part, like at my brother's wedding, I'm off the dome. That's how I like to do it. Okay. But I do this for a living. As long as there aren't any phones. I hear you. It's very respectable. I thought, do you think Bruce Springsteen has seen Dogtooth? I can't believe they made Bruce Springsteen fly all the way to LA and sit through the Golden Globes.

And like watch Billie Eilish win a little more like a CIA who made him do that what are you talking about I don't know did Biden make him fly to California

to leave New Jersey I don't know once you have like reached a certain level of cultural achievement uh huh it's just like he has to put up

with enough don't you think Bruce Springsteen is another one of those guys I know he likes being in rooms I do know that about him like I if I was Bruce Springsteen is another one of those guys. I know he likes being in rooms. I do know that about him.

Like, I, if I was Bruce Springsteen and I was like, I rode Nebraska, my friend. Like, I would not be leaving my house. I'd be like, I did it. Well, that's,

I'm just going to fucking eat some Cheetos and just hang out. But that's like you on a Saturday. Like, I made it through the week. I'm not leaving my house. Yeah.

I'm having some Cheetos. Incredible way to live. I just think, I felt it was a little disrespectful he he was like barely shown except for during yorgos lanthimos's speech um well let me ask you this since it was so disrespectful what do you think of the song addicted to romance written by bruce springsteen have you heard that song i've not okay well who's being disrespectful now as i said i only pay attention to the songs that are used in the film itself you know i know it's a great rule i respect this is a nonsense category you wouldn't know because bruce springsteen sings

the song in the first five minutes in the film he does no he does not of course but i'm just you didn't watch the movie either who's being disrespectful now okay best performance by an actress in a motion picture drama the nominees are lily gladstone for kills of the flower moon carrie mulligan for maestro sandra holler for anatomy of a fall annette benning for niad greta lee for past lives and kaylee spainy for priscilla first note i want to make is i know kaylee spainy is very youthful looking but she looked like she was 13 years old. It was just very strange. She's like in a box

with you know Greta Lee is very glamorous right now and you know Sandra Huller Greta Lee is really killing. She's crushing you know. Annette Bening

is like this this old dame of Hollywood now you know. The best There's like a 12 year old in the frame. It's crazy.

Well that is part of what she was able to bring to the performance. It was material to the role. I just want to say the best Annette Bening reaction shot was, it was like a wide crowd shot and all these people were gabbing. And then Annette, it's like between, you know, breaks. And Annette Bening is just like looking at her phone very angrily. I was just like, I relate, Annette Bening. What do you think she saw? I don't know, like a bad news alert. Yeah, like a Tucker Carlson tweet or something. I don just like, I relate in that panic. What do you think she saw? I don't know. Like a bad news alert. Yeah, like a Tucker Carlson tweet or something.

I don't know. Like some appointment got rescheduled. She's like, that's not how I plan my day. My acupuncture is fuck. I related to it so hard. Excellent. Lily Gladstone did win. And I thought she gave the best speech of the night.

Yeah, of course. Very, very moving. Very, very thoughtful. Very, very serious and sincere. And aware of the night. Yeah, of course. Very, very moving. Very, very thoughtful. Very, very serious and sincere. And aware of the moment and not afraid of it. Yes. And prepared also to speak about the larger significance of her winning this award. She said, this is a historic win.

It doesn't just belong to me. She talked about reservation kids and growing up a Native person and spoke Blackfoot language and acknowledged this extraordinary and really complicated and often terrible history of Native people in Hollywood and in films. She was very warm towards her fellow Native actresses in the movie and also towards Artie and Bob and Leo, the three men who helped get her in this movie.

You know, she's obviously amazing in that movie. I was a little bit unsure about the the three men who helped get her in this movie. You know, she's obviously amazing in that movie. I was a little bit unsure about the Lily Gladstone is going to beat Emma Stone thing. Tonight was the first time I was like, oh, she is. This is actually going to happen. Which I don't really, you know, isn't neither good nor bad.

It's just, I was a little dubious. It felt kind of like an internet thing, if that makes sense. Right, right, right, right. And also a little bit of, we all loved that movie so much and loved her performance. Yes.

It's just like, us willing it to be. Like critical communities and kind of Scorsese fandom and all this stuff colliding. And I wasn't quite sure, and this may not turn out to be true, but my feeling on it was,

even though Emma Stone is wonderful in Poor Things and is beloved, it actually does remind me a little bit of Michelle Yeoh and Cate Blanchett. Whereas, like, Cate Blanchett had one already. Emma Stone has one already. This would be a historically significant Oscar. It's a great movie that everybody loves. It's an incredible performance that should be recognized. The movie may not be recognized in any other category. So I felt like the knot was kind of tying

when she was giving that great speech, which, you know, as I said, it was like kind of moving unto itself and it's glib to be like, she's locked it up. But it did feel to me like she is now the leader in that category. I think so as well. The last category was best motion picture drama.

Oprah handed it to Emma Thomas and she gave a speech about all the great people who worked on oppenheimer which you compared favorably to or unfavorably to being the ricardos um just just a great moment in podcasting history well uh just the third hour. Is it over? Probably. I mean, what upends it at this point? What do we have left? We have the SAG Awards.

We have the BAFTAs, which are increasingly strange. Both because they are sort of constantly renovating their voting process in a way that just doesn't make it as much of a bellwether. And also just because weird choices get made over there, respectfully, to Britain, which is a place I liked visiting last year. Okay. I'm sure they appreciate your service. I was thinking about that. Do you think you'll be halted at customs next time you show up because of your words about the Baptist? I don't know. I was thinking about that. Do you think you'll be halted at customs next time you show up because of your words about the Baptist? I don't know. Ma'am, I'm seeing here you recorded a podcast on January 7th, 2024,

in which you disparaged our national film and television honors. I was like, hey, remember when we went to England? That was dope. That was really cool. And everyone we met there was really lovely. I agree. I love London. That said, I don't know what's going on with the BAFTAs. So I don't think that that could dramatically upend the big picture race, the best picture race. I promise you it won't upend the big picture race because you know what I'm going to be doing when the BAFTAs are happening? Sitting on my couch.

Because it'll be a weekend. So what else do we have? I think it's a quadrilogy of contenders. Okay. Shout out to all my alien Blu-ray box set heads with the quadrilogy reference. Okay. I know you're out there somewhere.

Please contact me. There's so few of us. We need friendship. Oppenheimer. Yeah. Poor Things. The Holdovers. Yes.

And I don't know. What's like off the top rope? Because Kills of the Flower Moon in the markets, so to speak, is still running at number two. I don't think that's going to last for long. Yeah. So if you had to guess, could a Past Lives or Anatomy of a Fall or something like that. I mean, it would be one of those two. It seems very unlikely.

Past Lives seems really unlikely. And that's, you know, I say that as someone who absolutely loved that movie. But I think if Past Lives

had won tonight in any of the categories, that could give it the boost that it needs for people to be like, oh, you know, maybe I should take that more seriously. Yeah, I think a screenplay win would have been very helpful for that movie and not getting that.

But then, you know, like we said, Anatomy of a Fall. Got screenplay and Best International Feature. So I think that certainly helps it at least in terms of securing the nomination. I don't think it has a chance to win. No. Doesn't seem to have had that same wave that, say, like Parasite had. And it's hard for an international feature,

a foreign language feature, to get to that place. There's definitely an Oppenheimer, poor things, holdovers triangle. And Oppenheimer, I feel like, is at the top. Poor things and holdovers are here. But you could see a world in which the triangle tips over. You know, you could see... Poor Things is still only playing in like 800 theaters.

Like it still hasn't gone wide. And I don't know why. I don't really understand this release rollout. I'm of course not an expert when it comes to these things. And maybe they know the plan for how to make the most money with this movie. And it is a divisive movie. People are walking out of the movie to this day, but people also love this movie. There's like a huge passion for it. So it just, it hasn't like hit, you know, you can't, it's like not everyone has the chance to see it right now. And so we're

late in the season for that to be the case. And I'm, I'm trying to wrap my head around why. And it's like, are they waiting for it to go wide when Oscar voting starts? Are they waiting because it just doesn't have the same level of like did you see that? Did you see that? It's a festival movie still in many ways right now. Right. So I'm trying to figure out like what that's about because Oppenheimer is the opposite.

Everybody has seen Oppenheimer. I don't know anybody who hasn't seen it. So I don't know if that's a miscalculation. Maybe it's a perfect calculation. Maybe they don't want to get too far over their skis with this. They want to kind of take their time and come out of nowhere to win. What do you think? I think also still some of the initial timing had to do with the fact that they need Emma Stone promoting this.

The strike wasn't over until mid-november and so how fast can you get the machine rolling with emma stone behind it and then what are you competing against i think to put it we've never seen an oscar movie like go wide december 15th and do well well i mean we have we've been doing this in the last five years. I mean, that's insane. That used to be the playbook. It used to be common, yes. But now, I think we've really noticed

that like a Christmas movie doesn't, kind of gets buried. Yeah, the only time that I felt like this, that it worked in recent years was 1917,

which obviously didn't win. Right. But it went wide before Christmas, was a huge hit, and got a lot of awards buzz and it got a lot of buzz from places like baftas where it did really well and it felt like all the way up until that night there was a chance it could win but there is a difference between a world war

one like drama and and poor things which is a sexually adventurous coming-of-age story about women. I mean, you release 1917 at Christmas, and then all the dads are like, let's all go together. So I even understand the difference there. Yeah, it's unusual. There's not a lot to compare it to. I can't remember. I mean, I don't even know if it's going to end up in 2,500 theaters. It may not.

It may never play that many screens. Who knows? Nevertheless, it's interesting. Anything up in 2,500 theaters. It may not. It may never play that many screens. Who knows? Nevertheless, it's interesting. Anything else you want to say about this award show? For a brief moment, we thought that it was going to be two hours instead of three. You did, yeah. You didn't completely shut that down last week when we were talking about it. You were kind of like, I don't know.

And then you picked up your little laptop suitcase and like walked out of the door really fast. Yeah. It's a very accurate description of how I operate with you. Just as soon as we're done, I'm like, I gotta go. It's like the case has little handles. The case, I have a bag. It's a bag that a laptop goes into. Like all working professionals.

I don't know. I'm sorry. You're making me sound like Mr. Hulot or something. I have a case and then I put the laptop in the case. Wow. This is it. You've come apart. There's something about the little handles.

So do you not have a separate case? This is being filmed. I don't know if you know that. I know that. When I try to stop laughing I remember it's being filmed. Okay anyway I thought this is this is gonna be a great breakout. I thought it was gonna be two hours and this is what happens when you tell me something is only two hours and then it's three hours plus. Well this won't be a problem when you're the producer of the show next year i congratulations on that i think that we could do good work i wouldn't take it you clearly can hold it together

under pressure here as evidenced by the last 38 seconds um i i think this was a not a good not a good telecast but not a bad award show if that makes sense i mean this is the thing they have the materials the golden globes has TV and movies, so you have tons of celebrities. Like the celebrities per square foot is the highest it's going to be, which is just a great idea. That's what we want.

We want celebrities interacting. We want the fan cam on Timothee Chalamet and Kylie Jenner. You don't, but like someone somewhere does. And you get a million of those, and that is like what generates wider interest i want that giamatti fan cam you know what's he getting up to in those in those off minutes i really i did not get to pay as close enough attention to the all the many reaction shots because there were a lot of them some good ones so and you know they have booze they have no boo the hot sushi

from will ferrell was the funniest thing that was said of the night. That was just really good. But so I shouldn't be that hard to just have famous people in the room with alcohol and give them trophies and have them look hot. Well, we'll see you here next year for your post-game interview after conducting like Maestro Cooper, which I'm very excited for you. It's a huge opportunity. Don't screw it up. Who's your pick for the host? It'll be you. Okay, great.

Just because of all your wonderful segues. You know, you're ready. And that way, when things go very wrong, I can just shove you off stage. I'm renowned for my skills with comedy in the face of celebrity. That's really where I thrive, is being funny around famous people.

Well, Amanda, thank you so much. As always, for your service here in attempting to humiliate me with weightlifting. I want to thank... Give me your laptop back.

Yeah, that's much appreciated. You know, I want to thank Bobby Wagner, who's our producer on this podcast. I want to thank

Corey McConnell for his work on the video team here tonight. I want to thank the Erstwhile Hollywood Foreign Press Association for... There are no more. Yes.

They were thanked a couple times tonight. And then other people were like, well, actually, they don't exist. Yes, they were a hive of scum and villainy. They've been eradicated and they've been replaced by a bunch of other people who we don't know and we'll never meet. They did just a bang up job tonight. So shout out to them. Thank you to the movies. The movies this year were wonderful. And I think we have a couple of more good award shows for the rest of the year. Until then, we'll see you later this week when we dig very, very, very, very deep into poor things. Thank you.