The Big Picture - The 2024 Movie Star Ranking: 35 Under 35

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

Sean and Amanda reconvene the movie star committee to rank the 35 most important movie stars under the age of 35, using their proprietary blend of what a star has done already, what they have on their slate next, and what they could turn into in the future. Zendaya, Margot Robbie, Timothée Chalamet, Tom Holland, Jacob Elordi, Florence Pugh … Who will come out on top? Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Listen to Dissect wherever you get your podcasts because great art deserves more than a swipe. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about movie stars. It's been 18 months. Did you know this, Amanda?

18 months. I did because you said it at the end of the last podcast. It's been 18 months. Did you know this, Amanda? 18 months. I did because you said it at the end of the last podcast. That's right. 18 months since our last 35 under 35 movie star ranking. This is our fourth time doing this exercise. We started making these rankings during the pandemic when we were bored and there were no films coming out. And we decided as aging culture analyzers,

we had a good feel for who was and was not a movie star in the world. We've been told by fans of this show, we don't know what we're doing. I don't care. I persist. Once again, this exists in the universe of this podcast, which is me and Sean making things up. So this is according to us. We had a rousing discussion with some of our video producers before we started this podcast.

They have some opinions. I have to tell you, they probably won't be considered. If you have some opinions, I love you guys. Thank you for all that you do. Shout out. Shout out, Alea. Shout out, Jack. Shout out, Jomie.

But if you listening at home have some opinions and you want to let Sean know via social media, also won't be considered. Yeah. This is what we do. At AK Dobbins, please send those feedback. Yeah, I check that regularly. Movie stars, the reason they do this, obviously, was that we felt that they were waning in the culture and we were trying to lift them up in some ways.

And I actually think in the four years since we started doing this, they actually do matter a bit more now maybe not quite to the extent when we were when we were teenagers but some something is burbling something's going on uh we we were in a transitional moment when we started this and and we were also in the moment of a thousand think pieces about like what happened to movie stars and what happened to movie stars was essentially Marvel, respectfully, and superhero movies and this idea where the character becomes more important than the actor. And you can have interchangeable, really all of them as we're discovering now. Except for Deadpool.

He has to be Ryan Reynolds. Oh, he does? Just putting that out there. Does Venom have to be Tom Hardy? Well, we'll see. This will be the last dance for Tom Hardy, as we learned learned we'll see after that whether someone can pick up for venom uh maybe not for venom right so that plus we were just kind of at a generational gap you know the the 30 somethings were edging into 40 something and many of the people that

we are going to discuss today we're still on Disney. No Shots to Disney, very important training ground for basically all of our movie stars. Critical at this stage. Yeah. So everyone has aged up a little bit. We are moving, I don't know if we're totally moving out of the superhero period, but it's tough times over at Marvel. They haven't finished the Superman movie yet. James Gunn's still tweeting through it. So none of those people are out of it. I think they just started on that movie for the record. You wouldn't know it, okay? You would think that he's just been in a lab shooting Superman for his entire life. That's fine. But you also have things like Dune, which at the time we identified as obviously a franchise phenomenon that is not superhero related, that is big and bold and great and also features undeniably a new generation of movie stars.

And it was sort of like the movie doesn't work without the movie stars and also they aren't really movie stars without this movie. So it's a fun time to talk about it because like Dune 2 looms large on this list. It really does. It actually crossed $700 million this past weekend, which was the threshold that I threw at you and Chris when we first talked about the movie. And I said, can this movie get over this number?

Because if it does, this is like mega success. Is there a separate spreadsheet where you just write down like random numbers and dates? In the brain bin. And like planetary alignments. This powerful tool that God put inside of my skull keeps all of the box office tracking data. No, I mean. 18 months ago.

Did you know that? What was 18 months ago? Can you even fathom the power that exists within me? 18 months ago. So this is April. So that was like November 2022. It was November 2022. That was the last time that we did this. Okay. And in that time, frankly, in the last three, let's say seven months for the sake of argument, these are the movies that have

happened that have had success. Wonka, Dune Part Two, you just mentioned, Anyone But You, Bob Marley, One Love, Civil War, Immaculate, Love Lies Bleeding, and Challengers. Now, these are not the only successful movies, but all of those movies have success. That was just me dancing to the Challengers score as soon as you said Challengers. Only you could hear it in your head. Yes. I feel like we could just do an SNL skit where anyone says Challengers, and then they start playing, and I just start popping along.

That's a good idea. I was playing it for my kid at home this weekend. It really worked. She was like, what is this? Yeah, Knox did not like it in the car, but I did make a lot of videos of sports highlights of him to the Challenger score. That's a really good idea. It was really good, but I think most people who watched it didn't understand the joke. They just thought I was very proud of Knox dunking, which is fine.

I'm seeing Jalen Brunson okie-doking Joel Embiid set to the sounds of the signal. I am not seeing that. I wasn't at home. I just got, like, mercy, you know? Like, please help our family. Yeah, yeah. Please. Water in the desert.

Bob, we're talking about this. Why are you a Sixers fan? Out of all the Philly things that you have forsaken, why the Sixers? I love pain, you know? It's the closest I can get to Mets fan experience in basketball, right? Just cursed,

awful management. You just get close. There's talent, but it's just never enough. And I just need that in my life. For more or less a quarter century,

this was also true for the New York Knicks. Yeah. No longer. We are riding high on this Monday morning. Who will you face in the next round?

It looks like the Indiana Pacers. They good? Not as good as the Knicks. Tyrese Halliburton. Pascal Siakam. Oh, I've heard of him. Former Toronto Raptor.

Sure. Obi Toppin. Former New York Knick. Okay. Nemhard. I'm ready for Tennessee. He's on the team. Okay.

I'm ready for movie star season. Great segue. Love it. A plus. All of those movies that I listed, though, feature at least one person who appears on our list today. And some of them, that's actually, that's not entirely true. But Bob Marley, One Love has two stars who are just outside of the 35 zone.

But when we last did this, we're barely even on our radar, I would say, in terms of this kind of a list. Lashana Lynch was on our last list. She was at number 34, I think, on last list. Right, but we loved her. Yes. And we wanted more for her. We were like, give her the Bond movie.

Right. And they didn't, and then she graduated. To clarify for people listening at home, to qualify for 35 and under? No. No, 35. Under 35. Under 35, that's right. So that's the thing.

You have to be under 35. 34, yes. 35, 35. Under 35. Under 35, that's right. So that's the thing. You have to be under 35. 34, yes. 35, no. What about 33? Yes. What about 37? No. Okay, we've devised math here on the big picture.

More math. So we have a very specific calculus for deciding. That we totally issue as soon as we actually make the list. No. But go ahead. I think about it. I calculate it every time we think soon as we actually make the list. No. But go ahead. I think about it. I calculate it every time we think about

one new person on the list. What is the math? Do you remember the math? Yes. It's 50% things that you've done before. So, like, the past.

Your CV. Your filmography. Yes. 25% what's in the cooker. What's coming. And 25% star quality.

You're right, though, that, like, sometimes what's next wildly over-influences what you've done before. Well, the problem is that what's next is still full of possibility. And often, you're 50% of your CV. We have a couple great examples where it's like you have a lot of stuff and none of it panned out. There are Oscar winners on this list who I'm like, eh, I don't really think they got it. Yeah. And they have an Academy Award. So yeah, it's a tricky thing.

So you want to talk about who's moved off and what's changed and what's shifted since we last did this list? Because a lot, 18 months is a long time relative to this list making because it's hard for people to become very famous in Hollywood at this level under the age of 30. Most of the people who end up making our lists are in that 29 to 34 zone. Right. Also, we're really old at this point. So like the 22 year olds, we're like, who is that? It is true that I am increasingly having trouble locating 22 year olds who will matter in the world. I think that's a good thing for me personally. I do think it is healthy. Yeah.

But again, the people listening at home, especially if you're Gen Z, you know, our list may not be what you see in the world and that's fine. One day you'll grow up and, you know. And be old and host a movie podcast. And be old and have your own opinions. Yes. Nine stars aged out from the last time we did this. Nine critical stars. This is actually quite a powerful group of people who have moved on. You want to read them? Lashana Lynch,

Simu Liu, Ana de Armas, Vanessa Kirby, our guy Glenn Powell, who I think like really could have just catapulted to the top. He would have been very near the top

and he is also now going to have an interesting battle in 35 over 35 and we do that later this year another was pretty close to the top it could have catapulted and jesse plemmons zoe kravitz emma stone or emily stone here's what i'd like some clarity on i know that's that that is her name and how she wants to be called in real life but are we, when professionally speaking about her, supposed to say Emma Stone? Are we doing Emily Stone now? I can relate to this.

You know, I'd like to henceforth be known as Stephen Fennessy, which is my real name, but I had to change it because there was another podcaster named Stephen Fennessy. I would like to honor what Emily Stone, aka Emma Stone, wants, but I just, the rules have not been totally made clear to me. It's Hollywood, man. You know, people are just doing what they want all the time. Yeah, and Daniel Kaluuya.

Remember when Prince was like, I'm assigned now in order to get out of my contract from Warner Brothers? That was like the Today Show in 1994 or whatever lost its mind over that. Do you remember like how many magazine covers and Atlantic think piece essays? Yeah. You only listened to the records when he was known as the symbol, right? You don't listen to anything before that? Yeah, exactly.

Just wanted to make sure. Also aged out. I don't know why I thought of these people, but I thought of two more people who are no longer qualified. Awkwafina, who like five years ago, I think very easily would have made this list. And I think she did five years ago.

Maybe she did. But she's kind of like taking on increasingly supporting comedic parts. And we're not seeing as many movies like The Farewell from Her. I mean, she like had her moment and then it didn't quite

convert movie-wise. Let's see, I'm looking at her. I don't think I've ever heard you say a word about the actress Karen Gillan. So that's a Doctor Who

thing, right? And then... She was on Doctor Who. She's also in the Jumanji movies. Right, and then she's in... She has all the stuff

on her head in Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, she has all the stuff on her head in Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, she has all the stuff on her. That's the name of the character, actually. The one with all the stuff on her head. Yeah, that's her. Okay, Awkwafina did not make our 2020 list. Sorry for lying.

I'm sure we've forgotten some other people who've aged out here who haven't quite made the cut. Oh, Daniel Kaluuya. Did you mention him? Yeah. You did. Cuts. These are the people who didn't make the list before we start the countdown.

I feel good about who we're taking off last year's list. Yeah. The only one that is like fairly egregious in terms of our math is Letitia Wright, who in the time since we last made this list, like literally became the new Black Panther in a movie that made millions and millions and millions of dollars. 800 million dollars. But it didn't do as well maybe as they'd hoped. And there were extenuating circumstances

that led to that decision. And I think we all collectively feel now, you know, she wasn't put in a place to succeed. She doesn't have any films lined up in the near future. And this was a factor for me, what she's doing next. Right. She was a bit of a controversial figure during the pandemic. And Black Panther 2, you know, was disappointing.

I was disappointed by it. Ryan Coogler is moving on to another original film for Warner Brothers and away from that franchise. It seems like they'll let that franchise settle for a while now. Biggest thing coming out of that movie, I was like, man, I miss Chadwick Boseman. So that's not great for Letitia Wright's standing on this list. But this is an example of where like you're 50% of you've done something and it was something big. She has. She's in small acts.

She's done some really good work. And again, I think if 18 months ago and like we kind of knew that probably she was going to be the next Black Panther, but that would be weighted very heavily in the 25% of, and probably over-weighted in like the what's coming. You know what I think she should do? Yeah. Play Venom. Okay. Harry Styles. We cut Harry Styles.

Yeah. He was like our token 35 LOL spot last time. He was making Styles. Yeah, he was like our token 35 LOL spot last time. He was making movies. Yeah. He was in the final cut sequence of Eternals. Remember that? He was going to be a Marvel superhero. He was in My Policeman, which was your favorite film of 2021.

I did see that. Yeah, I saw it too. And was he in something? Of course, Don't Worry Darling. Right. Which is a disaster. And I don't think he has another film planned. He seems to have returned to music.

And he was the specific disaster of Don't Worry Darling. Oh, one of many. Beyond the, well, beyond the direction and ideas. He was playing Jordan Peterson loyalist in that film, as I recall. That wig and that facial hair. That's a really funny reveal. It was very silly. Very silly.

Stephanie Sue, she is good. You haven't seen the fall guy yet. I have seen the fall guy. I don't want to ruin anything in the fall guy. She's in the fall guy. She's working steadily. Yeah. But she's in like nine minutes of it.

And you're like, why is Academy Award nominee Stephanie Sue in this movie for nine minutes? Right. And also the last time that we made the list, she was not yet an Academy Award nominee, but it was about to happen. And you could really feel that in the air. Yes. She could come back.

She totally could. It's a little bit of a timing thing right now. Was it Joyride last year? Yes, which was incredibly funny. Fun movie, but didn't really make a dent at the box office. So a little bit tough year for her. Joe Alwyn? So was he not in the...

So he's okay. He is in it a bit. Some of the songs are about him. Give some context for what he's in. Okay. So a singer-songwriter that you may have heard of named Taylor Swift

recently released an album called The Tortured Poets Department. As I understand it, this album is the music equivalent to Kieslowski's The Decalogue. Is that true? Very long piece of work, but very meaningful. It is. This is her show off. Yeah, it's, there are 31 tracks.

She just, surprise, released a double album. I wouldn't say that Taylor Swift has heeded any of my calls about editing and making choices, but that's okay. She's still Taylor Swift. And going into the album, we knew that it was a breakup album, and we assumed that it would be about Jo Allen, with whom she was in Maddie Healy, who she had what we thought was a dalliance after Joe Allen before Travis Kelsey. So there's a, there's a lot of back reading now. And that the consensus theory is that she and Maddie have been an off and on thing for like maybe a decade. How exciting. And, and, and then it didn't pan out and she's pretty pissed. So he takes most of the heat. Joe has, I think the Black Dog is about Joe

and that's a good song. Okay. But for the most part, like I think that if he wants to promote kinds of kindness now, like he probably safely can. She's called off the Swifties on Joe and sent them towards Mattie Healy. Is that something that was actually enunciated? Not like in the way that

I just said it, but I think the signs are there. The Swifties know how to read through stuff. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. We'll come back to this issue. Also cut Jonathan Majors, of course, because he may never work in Hollywood again. Yeah. He has been revealed to be, at a minimum, a terrible person based on some recordings we heard. Maybe even something worse than that. I was a huge fan of his as a performer, even as recently as having seen Creed 3. I felt as strongly about him as an actor. And I think he really, really has an incredible talent, but has gotten himself mired in some terrible things in his personal life. And I would be very surprised

that he'll be back. In the pipeline, this was, I'm kind of, I'm all betwixt and between about this. This is always the hardest part for me. Yeah.

As an inveterate list maker, what gets cut out. Okay. So in the pipeline, you know, we've made some good choices in the pipeline previously. You can go back and look at our previous list. Here's who I've got for these people are coming up soon.

Dominic Sessa. Right. Now he's only made one film. Right. The Holdovers. Yes. He left a very strong impression. He absolutely smashed award season.

Yes. He and his stylist. We wanted to recast him as Robert Zimmerman, aka Bob Dylan, in A Complete Unknown. James Mangold declined our offer. Right. And now all those paparazzi photos are coming out. That's true. Well, we'll get to that too. Yeah. Mikey Madison, keeping my eye on her, she is the star of Sean Baker's new movie, Enora. Okay. She was one of the stars of, oh, what is Pamela Adlin's FX show I can't recall the name of it but poor things no no something like that poor something I can't remember it doesn't matter

uh she also was one of the stars of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood she also was one of the stars of Scream 6 very better things better things nice job that close. She played one of Pamela Edlund's daughters in the show. I've heard some good things about Sean Baker's new movie. I'm looking forward to it. I'm flagging her. It's a can. You want to go? I would like to.

Okay. I don't think that's achievable for me right now. Honestly, remind me later some interesting developments in my personal life that might require a trip to France. So let's sidebar that. It's an incredible life that I lead, letting you lead your life. Nicholas Galitzin, Galitzin, Galitzin. I don't know. I still haven't seen Idea of You. Yeah, me neither.

You know, this is like a type of actor who's being cast in a type of roles that are supposed to be for me. Like it's supposed to speak to me and it is not yet speaking to me. Well, he was one of the stars of Red, White and Royal Blue. Yeah, which no. I didn't think it was very good, but it was a big, seemingly a big hit for Amazon. Sure. And the idea of you also an Amazon film. The thing is that these streamers now are starting to develop their farm system.

One of their developes. Right, but if he's Noah Centineo, then Noah Centineo is not on any of our lists. Yeah. Last seen in Shazam Fury of the Gods, which you also, I think, were a big fan of. I did, I think, watch some of that. Did you? Okay. I mean, I fast forwarded it at home.

I put Maya Hawke in the pipeline. I just feel like she hasn't really led a movie of any significant scale yet. She's been great in supporting parts. Right. But isn't she? She's very charming on Stranger Things. She's also, I mean, she was in Maestro. She was in Asteroid City. Right, but isn't she... She's very charming on Stranger Things. She's also... I mean, she was in Maestro.

She was in Asteroid City. Yeah. I mean, she... These are small parts. They're small parts, but you're just like, oh, it's Maya Hawke, you know? Like, you know that it's coming.

And then isn't she one of the major voices of Inside Out 2? I don't know what major voices means necessarily, but she is one of the characters in Inside Out 2. I mean, now you are the one

disrespecting animation. Maybe just Maya Hawke in Sideline 2. I mean, now you are the one disrespecting animation. Maybe just Maya Hawke's participation in it. I really like her. I think she's very talented. Also, just historically very pro-nepotism, and I think anybody whose parent is famous should get a real honest shot at the biz, and I'm proud of her. Speaking of Kaia Gerber,

also, this is the child of Cindy Crawford. I thought surprisingly funny in Bottoms I liked her performance she was really good uh yeah she's she's you can see her making moves yeah and also famously looking hot in like two frames of Babylon at the beginning yes that's right but that's really that's what we have that's the extent of her work but she's Kaia Gerber she's Kaia Gerber uh Gabriel LaBelle I'm not sure I would have remembered him from the fableman's if i had not just seen snack shack and i saw snack shack and i was like that guy that guy put that guy in a real fucking movie soon because he's really great uh mahala i i think

we also could regret this i'm not totally sure probably depends on what happens on industry season three that's tv yes i know well she was just in leave the world behind her friend sam's movie she's good in that movie she's very in that. And a lot of people saw that. Yeah, but you know, it's TV first. Kiernan Shipka. What's she up to? She was in a, also a big Amazon streaming horror movie called Totally Killer. That was kind of like a 80s homage, like John Husey, Back to the Future style horror slasher movie that did very well. And also I saw her at the Love Lies Bleeding screening I went to and she seemed to be very famous at that screening, you know,

surrounded by like nine people who were all there for her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So- You know, she's like at Capri Club from time to time. Yes, Capri Club, the Eagle Rock hunt that you- What I know about her is just on Instagram and her like- Yeah, she's a cool gal going to Vidiot's.

Turning east side places that are supposed to be comfortable for middle-aged adults into... That's not the point of Capri Club. I'm sorry to break it to you, but that is not the energy of that place. I was there early and I love it. And she's welcome there too, but I don't know what she's doing in movies is my point. I just know what she's doing in her social life. What about your girl from Moana? As I said in the doc, this is on you.

I thought she was in Mean Girls, right? She was in Mean Girls. She was very good in that. We'll see how Moana 2 pans out. Does voice acting mean anything to you? No, not really. Can it ever mean anything for this list? I mean, I think it has a little bit in some

of the people so yes sure that's and it's because the people the actors are associated with movies that people just talk about all the time and love and that's beautiful i see you edit harris dickinson i woke up in the middle of the night and i was like, we forgot Harris Dickinson. How tall is he? He's tall. How old is he? He's young. He's what, 27? He's 27. Yeah.

Should there be a height minimum for this list? I mean, he's going to be in the movie with Nicole Kidman. He's in Blitz. You know? Yeah. Iron Claw. You loved it. Yeah.

He was wonderful in Iron Claw. Yeah. Excellent performance. He was in Triangle of Sadness. That was nominated for a lot of Oscars. Yep. Another film you loved. I just, I'm just saying.

It's super funny when we have to rely on movies that we openly disliked to be like, of course, Triangle of Sadness. I didn't hate it as much as you did. I just thought it was a huge step back for Ruben Oslin, who I liked and had defended in the past. And then I was like, ah, shit, you might be what I thought you weren't. Yeah. It's a tough one.

We'll see. He's actually had some very, very fun. He had a hilarious review of Barbie. It was just like, this is the death of society. It was very, very funny. Teen subdivision. Do we need a teen category here? Or is this just weird?

We're old. I don't care about any of these people. Do you know who any of these people are? I know who Finn Wolfhard is. I know who Jacob. He's actually not even a teenager anymore. I know who Jacob. He was barely in the Ghostbusters movie.

He's just there to like tell Slimer to not eat pizza. I was surprised by how not big a part. McKenna Grace was his counterpart. McKenna Grace. Oh, she was good. She is good. She's talented. Jacob Tremblay is the room guy.

Yeah. And the other thing that I know about Jacob Tremblay. You know how Rebecca Ferguson subtweeted one of her co-stars? Yes. And then one of the great memes was like, it's Jacob Tremblay. Just, you know, obviously a joke. I don't know anything about this young person. The funniest thing about that meme is that Jacob Tremblay started with Rebecca Ferguson in Doctor Sleep.

And in the scene that they share together, Rebecca Ferguson eats his soul. And it's one of the scariest things you'll ever see. She abducts a child off the street and kills him. So hopefully it wasn't Jacob Tremblay. I don't remember that. Did you see that film? Yeah, she wears the hat, right? Rose the hat.

That was the name of her character. Very good. Okay, now is the really agonizing stuff. Yeah. These are people I don't really understand why they're not on the list. And I do understand, but I don't understand. I can't accept it, but also I made the list

with you, obviously. And I'm like, why am I not fighting for Rachel Sennett? I also love Rachel Sennett. One of the funniest people in the world. But it's still... Her next thing is she's the new lena dunham like she's making the new girls which like couldn't be more psyched i think it's a very good idea release all of it right now give me more and just like that and give me rachel senate in girls genzy

can i pitch an idea okay i honestly think this is a good idea for all culture but in this case in particular i think it's amazing i think rachel senate should just take over curb your enthusiasm like i think they should i think they should just take over Curb Your Enthusiasm. Like, I think they should, I think they should just make Curb Your Enthusiasm, but starring Rachel Sennett. She's not playing Larry David. She's playing herself.

But doing the same mode of improvisational comedy as she, like, grows. It's like Entourage meets Curb Your Enthusiasm. Okay. As she's becoming a famous person. I accept.

The best part of the idol, incredible in Bottoms, incredible in Shiva Baby. She's great. Yeah. But, you know, those are two small indie films and then, like, a in Bottoms, incredible in Shiva Baby. She's great. Yeah. But, you know, those are two small indie films and then like a bunch of TV.

So that's why. You're right. That's why. I loved Bottoms. Bottoms, well, there will be Bottoms representation on this list. It's logical,

but I don't feel good about it. Hailee Steinfeld? Typed it and deleted it. Here's the thing. Hawkeye was a TV show. Correct. And I don't know if they're making more of it. She's the thing. Hawkeye was a TV show. Correct. And I don't know if they're making more of it.

She is going... She was in a stinger scene. I remember. In a film. What film was that? The Marvels. In the Marvels. That's right. So I think she's going to play a pretty big part in Marvel going forward. But to your point earlier, maybe that doesn't mean a whole lot. She is dating Josh

Allen. That's cool. Quarterback for the Buffalo Bills. Very funny. Who honestly is just terrifying. I hate playing against him. Just very upsetting to watch the Jets play against the Bills. What do you think they talk about? What do they talk about?

They're probably talking about this pod. Why did I make the list, Josh? Do you think that Haley talks about how she can become part of Taylor's like, wag, NFL wag group? I mean, she's in it, right? Aren't they friends? Haley talks about how she can become part of Taylor's NFL WAG group. I mean, she's in it, right? Aren't they friends?

I don't think that she's in the box. You think she's on the outside looking in? Well, I mean, Chief Spills is a critical rival. Yeah, so she's not there. Do you think Haley would be willing to break up her love affair with Josh Allen to get in the box? I think that's a downgrade for her. You know? I think she's kind of like doing the JV Taylor thing right now.

Okay. And she's got to ride that as far as she can. That's just very mean. Well, they didn't win the Super Bowl. Mike Feist. Yeah. Did you know that he already has a Grammy and an Emmy? I did not know either of those things.

He has two of the four. He has a Grammy for, both of them are for his participation in Dear Evan Hansen, which we won't hold against him. Well, he, I mean, that was how he broke out on Broadway. Yeah. But apparently you can win a daytime Emmy for a live performance that you do on the Today Show, which he did. From Dear Evan Hansen? Yeah. Opposite Ben Platt. I don't do on the Today Show. Which she did. From Dear Evan Hansen.

Yeah. Opposite Ben Platt. I don't know whether the performance was. I didn't click that far. Okay. Because I was like, Dear Evan Hansen. I was like, oh, no. Stop.

Go no further. Yeah, that's right. I didn't know that. Yeah. Just want to let you know. Is it daytime Emmy? I don't know whether that counts. I don't think that's a. Just want to let you know. Is a daytime Emmy. I don't know whether that counts. I don't think that's a real EGOT situation.

Okay. You know? Well, are you on the committee? Well, it's like sports Emmy, daytime Emmy. These are not in the hallowed Emmy. They're not part of the primetime award ceremony. I don't really stay up. I stay up at night thinking about Harris Dickinson and not about

whether daytime Emmys count he literally woke you up in the middle of the night you dreamt of him I'm a huge Mike Feist fan he's very good

and I really enjoyed all of the Mike Feist social media this weekend just a lot of him dancing great dancer I want to read you

some films from the next person who we cut from this list yay we didn't cut not yet this is not yet I want to read you some films from the next person who we cut from this list. Yay. We didn't cut. Not yet. This has not yet gotten a spot on the list.

We cut him from the final list. You know, he was a contender. I think more like we didn't elevate him yet. Oh, that's a nice way of thinking about it. Here are some films that this person was in. Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. Which one's that? I don't know. Detective Pikachu. He's a star of detective pikachu you saw that right i did see that

so did he play a pikachu or is he like the pikachu is ryan reynolds that's not a joke oh yeah i do remember that and he plays a boy and so and like he like is the real boy who holds hands with all the pikachus and it's like let's go solve crimes. That was the original title of the film. They shortened it for marketing purposes. He was the star of Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among Thieves. Does Alice know about Pikachus? No, we're keeping that away from Alice for now. Just focused on Disney princesses at the moment.

He's the forthcoming star of I Saw the TV Glow, a new A24 movie. He was in The Voyeurs opposite Sidney Sweeney. He has been in a lot of stuff his name is justice smith i don't think he's a household name at all and yet hollywood really likes him they keep casting him in these big movies he's been in a lot of movies in the last eight to ten years someone's got to say yes to detective pikachu but oh i disagree i think that was a hot property not to me but to somebody once upon a. I think that was a hot property. Not to me, but to somebody once upon a time. I think that movie

is okay. Detective Pikachu? Yeah. What are its merits? I'm not going to answer that, honestly. So Pikachu solves crimes? He is a detective.

What is the nature of the crime? It's a genocide. Came down here to see who's doing them. He was the inspiration for the Jesse Plemons part in Killers of the Flower Moon. Okay. He's out. Riley Keough.

Yeah, you're a big man. Riley Keough is Elvis's granddaughter. Not sure if you knew that. I did know that. And she controls the estate now. Yeah, She is 34 years old and 340 days. So it's just about over for her in terms of contention. Really love seeing her pop up in movies. Yeah. She's wonderful. She was also great on Daisy Jones and the Six. Did you ever finish watching that? I didn't. It was pretty good though. Yeah. It's a TV show though. So Fleetwood Mac though, you know, I'm a little

mixed. This is mystifying to me, but that's but I was listening to Fleetwood Mac on the way in. What song? Little Lies. Okay, great. Congrats to Riley Keough for missing the list and to you for listening to the radio. Naomi Ackie didn't quite make it. Yeah. She's interesting.

She's starring in Blink Twice, Zoe Kravitz's directorial debut coming out this summer. So that's Pussy Island rebranded? Pussy Island rebranded to Blink Twice, Zoe Kravitz's directorial debut coming out this summer. So that's Pussy Island rebranded? Pussy Island rebranded to Blink Twice. Okay. How do you feel about that title change? Pussy Island was more memorable. I agree. And also it was in the tabloids so much now that to me it will always be Pussy Island.

Maybe you should just refer to it as such on the pod going forward. Let's do by the numbers before we officially get into our list. We haven't even started our list yet. Yeah, but this is spoilers. Oh, okay. I won't do biggest riser and biggest faller. We'll do that at the end. But there are 14 new entrants on our list from last time, from 18 months ago. How do you feel about that? Seems right. Okay. No other commentary? We're doing a podcast here. I don't know. You're the numbers guy, right? And then you're just going to tell me, do you, do you feel like there could, you could have had another life as like the movie stats guy, the version of the baseball guy, but movies. I'm glad you asked me that question, which I'm not

going to answer. Um, I think, you know, when you're watching a baseball game and they're like, this is the fourth time that someone has like caught a ball in his hat on the left field line in Pittsburgh in 1983 or whatever. In a quiet moment of reflection this weekend, I thought to myself, we all know podcasting is all about asking your podcast partner questions, that the best way to be a good podcast host is to ask questions. You never ask good questions. You only ask questions that are either insulting or diverting, which is quite remarkable. It's actually an impressive skill. You want to do the list? I think they're amazing questions. Yeah. You could start with the biggest fall, because that will lead us to our number 35.

Great point. I chose this. This was your call. I knew this innately. The biggest faller on our list. Now, she's not off the list. She's still on the list. But the biggest faller.

Right. But position 35 is sort of like a joke position. It's like we're putting you here to kick off the list with some energy and you'll be gone next year. The biggest faller from 23 to 35 is Brie Larson. Now, we've gotten some charges against us that we're anti-Brie Larson on the pod. Probably, yes. Listen.

What is it that doesn't click? The only thing that she's done in the last five years that I can remember is all the Marvel movies and Nissan commercials. So I'm not really vibing with either of those projects. I think in the last five years, she's only made two films. Those films are Fast X and the Marvels. Oh, yeah.

Fast X. Not her fault, but a true debacle for her specifically. She's giving a genuinely bad performance in Fast X. She is only acting with her eyebrows. It's one of the weirdest choices I've ever seen. And the eyebrows are mismatched. Yeah. But, I mean, that, she's also, like, clearly in a little green screen room

that they set up on the set of one of the Marvel movies. You know, like, very makeshift, and someone's in her earpiece reading whatever. It's, like, not her fault. Again, not put in a position to succeed, but she did not succeed. She didn't make a TV show in this time. Lessons in chemistry based on the hit novel. Oh yeah. Which I never watched,

but I listened to multiple episodes of the watch describing events from the show. It was really good. Didn't sound like a good show. No, it was not a good book either. Okay. The dog narrates a lot.

The dog. Okay. You dog narrates a lot. The dog? Okay. You like dogs. I do like dogs, yeah. How's your bridge dog going? Well, it's a long-term project. We're scouting. We're scouting various breeds, you know, various lineages.

Oh, my God. Might have to go to Scotland, you know. Okay. Take a look at some dogs. Okay. What do you think? You up for that? Maybe you can put an expense report for your trip to Scotland.

I feel like he would like Scotland, you know. I've been. It's wonderful. Yeah. And the sun never comes out. No offense to Scotland. It's very beautiful there. I've been to Edinburgh.

It's absolutely gorgeous. It is beautiful there. Yeah. Arthur's Seat. I've climbed it and I've sat upon it. Great. It's just a wonderful place. You know what Arthur was really into swords

and also the stone holy grail yeah we've litigated this yeah so it's like if we had modern mental health analysis arthur would be in prison he would be like the joker and where would you be i would be in his seat on the throne. Great. We should make a movie where me and Arthur switch roles where he comes in

and he hosts the show and I'm the king. Who's playing Arthur? And you're playing you. Josh Hartnett. That's a great W for you. I accept. Shang-Chi and the Legend

of the Ten Rings Fast X and the Marvels. That's just not what you want. No. Shang-Chi was okay Legend of the Ten Rings Fast X and the Marvels That's just not what you want No Shang-Chi was okay I kind of liked it Yeah Especially in hindsight

When I look back at the Marvel In the last five years But just the The CGI at the end Was so so bad Terrible Awful third act But I thought

First two acts were really fun Sure Brie Larson's 30 35 Mm-hmm Adria Arjona Finally My girl So You wanted her since 3035 Adria Arjona is in the floor finally my girl

so you wanted her in almost exactly this spot 18 months ago yeah based on her work in

Six Underground Triple Frontier and you'd just seen Father of the Bride and Andor and Andor had Andor happened by this time

maybe it had happened at this time are you sure about that yes Andor it was like 8 years ago okay it was not 8 years ago you know she had a modest part in Andor happened by this time? Maybe it had happened at this time. Are you sure about that? Yes. Andor, it was like eight years ago. Okay. It was not eight years ago.

You know, she had a modest part in Andor, but she's good in that. You watched, you didn't watch that. No, I watched the first half of it. It was really good.

And then my husband just kept watching without me. And I was like, well, there that goes. She also was in the film Morbius. Oh, I didn't see that. It wasn't good.

Okay. She's going to be in Hitman. I've seen Hitman. She's, she's appealing. She's going to be in Hitman. I've seen Hitman. She's appealing. She's very beautiful and a lot of charisma. She's doing some interesting things in this movie. This is where we're weighted towards what you're about to do. She's also going to be in Blink Twice.

She's in a supporting part in Zoe Kravitz's Blink Twice. I suspect after Hitman, she's going to get cast in a lot of big parts. Yeah. So this is kind of a this is a bit of a lottery ticket pick I think. It makes sense to me. I think 33 is kind of

sort of a lottery ticket pick too. This is the first edition of a Euphoria cast member. Now. You mean in this list? We've had Euphoria

cast members on the list. For this year. Yeah. But that is the dominant theme on this list is Dune 2, and the minor variation is Euphoria. I have a third. Oh. And maybe it is the one in which the twain shall meet.

Yeah. Which is Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Oh, okay. If you take Dune Part 2, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and Euphoria, which are, you know, three things that I like. You're not really a big Euphoria fan. But they seem to have been huge launch pads

for a lot of the people here. So Hunter Schaefer is number 33. Hunter Schaefer, she was in The Hunger Games, The Ballad of Songbirds, and Snakes last year.

She has a lot of stuff coming up this year. That movie was so long. It was two hours and 19 minutes, but yeah, it felt long. Maybe it was two hours

and 40 minutes. It was two hours and 40 minutes. It was, it felt long. Maybe it was two hours and 40 minutes. It was two hours and 40 minutes. It was. It was really, really longer than it needed to be. You don't like singing. But Hunter Schaefer did not sing in this film. And despite Songbird being in the title, I didn't expect Rachel Zegler to be giving a Lumineers concert. And she has a beautiful voice.

Rachel, if you're listening, keep fighting the good fight. You think she's listening? She has commented on this list before. Oh, she has? Yes. Oh, you're right. She did. Yeah. So I think she's talented. I think she's having a tough time picking parts. She's incredibly talented. And I just went in with some different expectations about what that movie would be. Hunter Schaefer had a pretty modest part in that movie, but this year won the Summer Cuckoo, which looks like one of the most exciting horror movies of the year. Chris and I talked about it last week on the show. She has a part in Kinds of Kindness, the New York Oslanthimos movie coming out in June. She has Mother Mary, which is the new David

Lowry movie that is coming out maybe at the end of this year, starring Anne Hathaway. And she's also doing voice work in OD. Now, I normally would not talk about a video game on this podcast. I'm not a gamer. I'm not an expert. I do know who Hideo Kojima is. He's obviously one of the signature game makers. He's also a huge cinephile. Huge person on constantly sharing his opinion of movies on the internet. And he co-wrote this movie with Jordan Peele.

So... This video game. This video game, sorry. But his video games are very cinematic. I mean, even by the standards of video games, very cinematic. So she's a part of that too. I feel like she's going to be a big star. Oh, I think so as well. If anything, I thought that this was a little bit low.

Just hasn't done enough yet. Yeah, but it's also like when you see everything else. Well, I don't really know where else to put you, but this has a real watch this space energy. Very much. Yeah. Who's number 32 kaylee spainy 25 years old yep yeah uh she's also 25 inches tall that's just because she had to stand next to jacob alorti okay it really is he is an optical illusion in many ways well we will

come back to that um she's been in a lot of things. Pacific Rim Uprising, one of my favorites. Bad Times at the El Royale, On the Basis of Sex. Who is she in the On the Basis of Sex? She was 80-year-old Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Remarkable performance. What? I think she was Ruth Bader Ginsburg's daughter. Oh, that's right. And Armie Hammer was the husband. That was a tough scene. Vice, Mayor of Easttown, famously. The Craft, Legacy. Priscilla. Yeah.

And Civil War. Yeah. She's going to be an alien Romulus. You excited about that? You know that I am. Yeah. She was not previously on this list. Very, very promising.

Yes. Very promising. Exciting. Holds her own in Civil War, too, in a movie with some much more seasoned actors. Yeah. She also was on Devs, which is, I think, how she got in... What's the story there? She got cast in Devs

by Alex Garland. And then... And then Alex Garland cast her in this. And Kirsten Dunst, after working with her, recommended her to Sofia Coppola

to be in Priscilla. Great little... Nice little daisy chain. Yeah, it's lovely. Our shared interest there. I like her a lot. I think she's super talented number 31 this guy's never been on the list before and this is another one where i'm like

this does seem low i think it's just because we've never put him on and i don't know why we've never put him on and i feel like without just an error well i think it's a little bit of an error and it's a little bit of like we can read the list of things that he's done with. It's quite a CV. Yeah. But also like with the exception of Anna Karenina and I would argue Savages. They're either like weird, interesting, but not quite their movies. Or he's a supporting part, a.k.a. Tenet.

And he's great in Tenet, even though I don't understand what happens in that part of the movie. Well, Kick-Ass. I mean, he's the star of Kick-Ass. Okay, sure. Kick-Ass was a big movie. We're talking about Aaron Taylor-Johnson, who, for some reason,

despite literally touching the Marvel universe, the Kingsman universe, you know, having a significant part in a Nolan film. I've always also thought that he was miscast in Anna Karenina.

There he is in Bullet Train. Yeah. Great mustache. That's just me. I think he's amazing in that movie. I lovecast in Anna Karenina. There he is in Bullet Train. Yeah. Great mustache. That's just me. I think he's amazing in that movie. I love him in Anna Karenina. I know. He's got a really big year coming up.

Yeah, but. But. But what? Craven the Hunter, which has since been moved. Yeah, let's discuss. He's going to be in The Fall Guy this Friday. Okay. He's a supporting part of The Fall Guy.

Right. He's having a lot of fun in the movie. We'll talk about it when we get there. And he does that wonderfully. Like, he shows up in these big budget movies as the supporting guy who's having a tremendous amount of fun. Yes. And he is really fun. He's really, really good at that.

Then he has to be something called Kraven the Hunter. Kraven the Hunter. Who is he hunting? Often Spider-Man. Oh. He's a Spider-Man villain who's gotten his own origin story. Okay. This is kind of a Madam Web situation, a little bit of like, why did you make this?

Oh, okay. So it's Sony and they can't say Spider-Man? It's Sony. No, they could. They can say Spider-Man, but they can't say Peter Parker? Why couldn't they name the child in Madam Web? I don't think there was a reason for that. I think that that was just a creative choice that was made in the film Madam Web.

Kraven the Hunter has moved twice now. It was supposed to come out last October. Yeah. And then they moved it to this August. And then they just announced last week that it's moving to December. I saw that as a sign of approval for Craven opening December 13th. That's usually a better time to open than in August. I honestly saw it as he's married to Sam Taylor Johnson

and I thought they just want to get it as far away from Back to Black as possible. They may need to. Yeah. I still haven't seen Back to Black

but that's how I interpreted it. I was like, oh, you just don't want to be anywhere near that. They should airlift it as far away from that film. He's also going to be in Nosferatu.

Yeah. Which is really exciting. Robert Eggers movie coming this Christmas. And you know, we're two years into James Bond speculation. Five years. I mean, people have been citing that he is an obvious Bond choice for a long time.

He's 33 years old now. He got his start a long time ago in movies. He's been in movies since he was like 14. So he's got the look. He's a tall, white, handsome British guy. Yeah. With a little bit of attitude. That's kind of the Bond archetype.

Mm-hmm. A little bit of sass, a little bit of smarm. Right. Would you want him as Bond? We've talked about this before. Is he convincing you? I, no, because I think they need to be imaginative with what they do with Bond again. And, you know, watching Monkey Man, I was like,

oh, Dev Patel, like, would be so amazing. But, you know, he should just maybe make his own version of Bond without all of the, like, Bond bullshit that's attached to it. Agreed. So, you know, it's kind of hard at this point. Maybe Aaron Taylor-Johnson is the right fit because you don't want to waste too many resources on James Bond you know just financially speaking or or just like charisma speaking you know Daniel Craig

was just like please please put me out to pasture by the time he was James Bond was over I think those are demanding also like they broke several of his knees one thing I would like them to do which I don't think they're going to do but just a one-off with Tom Hardy like I don't need 10 Bond movies with Tom Hardy but just like if they announced it as a special Bond story and we let Hardy

get a little freaky but not too freaky yeah I mean I'm with you the Broccoli's won't do that they won't do that you're right okay number 30

who is it Josh O'Connor my guy big big big weekend yeah what do you think the takeaway is from Challengers um

Josh O'Connor's thighs and uh people liken tennis and sex in the movies mm-hmm

Josh O'Connor's thighs number one yeah you know they are powerful it's interesting analysis uh wonderful actor he's come up quite a bit

on the show in the last few weeks. And it seems like a lot of people know his name now. That maybe didn't know his name 8, 12, 16 weeks ago. Fair to say? Yes. Okay. He's got a movie coming out soon with another person on our list. I'm curious how we're feeling about the placement of the other person.

I won't say who the other person is. Okay. The movie's called The History of Sound. But just this year, he's been in La Chimera and Challengers. Number 29. I would say this is a generous hold for us here. Yeah. Kiki Palmer at 29.

She hasn't made a movie since Nope. Some of it was out of her control. She was supposed to be in an Aziz Ansari movie, which then got delayed. Right. Because of a controversy with Bill Murray that probably would have been out by now. But now that movie is finally coming out at a different studio.

I saw a little sneak peek of it. Good fortune. I talked about it on the CinemaCon episode. Very funny premise. Sick cast. Aziz, Keanu Reeves, Seth Rogen, and Kiki. She plays Aziz's romantic interest, I think, which is very generous casting for Aziz. And she's also going to be in a movie called The Pickup, which is a Nettie Murphy movie coming out later this year.

She was 18 last time. She's 29 now. She's also had a kid. Right, I was going to say, that's the other thing, is that she's just kind of, I think she took some time away. Yeah, so that's part of the reason why. And then she had the whole Usher thing. What was the Usher thing? Remember when she was in Vegas and she saw Usher and then her then partner retweeted her and was like, why are you, you know, looking so good with Usher? You don't remember any of this? And then he was revealed to be like a very bad person, I believe. So now that, yeah.

Anyway, she's had a lot going on. Team Kiki Palmer. She looked great at the Usher concert. How many times have you retweeted your partner? A few times, but seldom calling him out in public. I save that for pretty much the entire meat of our home relationship. I see. The other Kiki Palmer internet thing I want to share is that I recently watched a video of her, I guess during the Note Press tour, explaining how butterflies pee and

peed all over her. It's like the most incredible. She's sitting with Daniel Kaluuya and she's like, she's like, did you know that butterflies pee? And she's like, no, it's true. But then she explains it. And then she explains like the circumstances through which she came to learn that butterflies seek it out. It's really good. I mean, just, she, she's a star,

you know, she is just an absolute star. Yeah. I needed to get her in more movies. Um, you think there are people in their car on their way to work right now? I mean, like what, what have I done?

Why have I chosen this show? Maybe Bobby can find some of the audio and put it in. That way people can know about the butterfly. It's really, really good. I'm happy to do that. As you guys know, I'm a huge fan of Kiki Palmer.

I think she's a little bit living more on the internet than she is in film right now. She's great at the internet. She's too fast for film in some ways. That's a good point. Just like you. Here I am.

I had no idea that butterflies pee. What? And they were pissing all over me. They were pissing all over me. They were pissing all over me. What color is it? It's like, you know, no color. Like, I could feel it on my face. They was dripping, dropping everywhere.

I hated it. I hated it. I hated it. I couldn't believe it. They left that part out. Could you believe it? No one is ever. I've never heard that.

I've never heard that. I never knew they pissed. And the lady was like, I was like, what's going on? I said, this is wet. She's like, they're just dropping in a little. They're just, you know. Number 28. My homie.

Your girl. Jessie Buckley. Yeah. It's been a little bit of a quiet time for her. Have you seen Wicked Little Letters yet? I haven't seen it. I haven't either. What's wrong with us?

I don't know. It's Jessie Buckley and my girl, Olivia Colman. I believe it's playing at the Glendale Lamley. I believe it's playing at my beloved Landmark Pasadena. Should we go? Should we just end the pod? Okay, goodbye. Yeah.

Thanks for listening. 28. Wicked Little Letters is her most recent film. She's, of course, the star of Chernobyl. I'm thinking of ending things. She was in Fargo season three, The Lost Daughter, Men, Women Talking. She had a really strong run through 22. She was in Fingernails last year for Apple, a movie that I just did not think worked at all.

I don't think we even discussed. I don't know what that is. Why don't you tell us? It's a movie about how, this is true. Butterflies pee. I mean, it's a soft sci-fi movie, not something you typically love in the first place, where couples can have a

scientific test conducted by a private company where they have to have their fingernails removed and put into a machine and it will determine whether or not they are a true love match do fingernails grow back they do yes so so you would do it is there anesthesia so after this no you they're just pulled off there's literally scenes in the movie where they're just pulled off no no no i wouldn't do that no you would not no this movie stars you're not familiar with this film no this film this apple movie starring jesse buckley jeremy allen white and riz Ahmed oh um and i saw to tell you right and it was it's a very noble try what you skipped what you skipped the dinner with Ethan Hawke to see? No, that was not yet. Thanks for reminding me of that.

An interesting movie. It doesn't really work. She gives a great performance in it. Haven't seen Wicked Little Letters. The reason she's on the list, she's dropped from 21 to 28, but she's going to be the bride in Maggie Gyllenhaal's The Bride.

Love it. Which is seemingly a reimagining of Bride of Frankenstein. This is notable because there's another bride on our list coming later in this episode. I just love

Jessie Buckley as you know. Maybe my love is kind of interfering with her placement on this list but I feel okay about it. I mean she's always

doing something interesting. Agreed. Agreed. Fingernails is a cool idea. Yeah. Just didn't totally work. She's 34 so this is her last her last ride. Bon voyage speaking of 34 yeah who else is 34 dakota johnson yeah should she be on

this list she was previously 26 so the fact that she only fell one spot is is interesting there she is i mean web herself yeah she was madame. I would say in terms of bringing attention to the movies, Dakota Johnson still excels. This is why she's on the list. You know? One of our chief marketers. Yeah. She is very good at giving weird interviews and maybe being in on the joke and maybe not. Right.

And that gray area of unknown that she brings to the table, nothing like it. Not since who? I can't even think of a single person who's been able to do this. She's really special. She has been making some shitty movies. Yes. Madam Web was not good. Her Persuasion remake?

No bueno. Absolutely not. No bueno. Cha-Cha Real Smooth smooth sometimes you try things and it doesn't land no i wish it worked but it didn't um i commend cooper ray for casting dakota johnson as his love interest yes you know again called that's mary you got a court you got a dream big yeah absolutely you know love to see it but it's it's fine. Daddio is apparently coming out. Yep.

I'm going to see it six times on my birthday. You know, she's not going to be on the list next year. She's very talented. Yeah. She's got a particular superpower. I'm not sure it's been utilized properly. I do think that she has been scarred by the Madam Web experience. She has said openly that she's not going to be making any movies like this.

She also seems kind of like a movie podcaster a little bit, where she's just like, money has just taken like this. She also seems kind of like a movie podcaster a little bit where she's just like, what? Money has just taken over this industry and it's very disappointing. You live in Malibu with Chris Martin. Your mom is Melanie Griffith. What are we talking about here? Number 26.

Your girl. Yeah, Mia Goth. Yeah. I'm feeling better and better about this every day. Now, can Mia Goth get a movie made in Hollywood by herself? I don't think so. Do your parents know Mia Goth's name? No. They don't. Is Mia Goth a great actress? I don't really know. I can't just say yes. Well, she's very special. She's very unique. Okay. She has an energy that you don't see every day. She has

the ability to go from zero to 100 better and faster than anyone. She's like a performance race car. She has a skill. Would you want to drive a performance race car? No. Around the neighborhood? Stop off at 7-Eleven? Grab a bag of Funyuns? No. But on the open road? Do you eat Funyuns? I've never had a Funyun in my life. I would never. I was going to say. Was it great for this conversation? It was the perfect example. That's something that people buy. Do you eat Cheetos? I do. I have. Sure. I have. I have. I've eaten a Cheeto or two in my day. I don't love a finger dust. Yeah. I don't want a dusting. This is a real issue with Doritos. I love a Dorito. Okay. So you're a Dorito over a Cheeto.

I'm a Cheetos over a Dorito, but I agree. I'm not seeking them out regularly. We're in hour three of the pod, the food pod. I was just using a Funyuns example for my note about the performance vehicle. Sure, but listen, we're creating a whole tapestry over time, you know, and I just needed to get the Funyuns thread exactly right. It's Babette's feast of food metaphors here. Mia Goth has an incredible power. She's been some a few movies since we last did this she was in Pearl coming off of this

last time we had her at 28 we've moved her up to 26 she's about to be Maxine closing out the Ty West trilogy haven't decided yet whether you should be on that pod

but I feel like you have to watch X and Pearl to do Maxine I can do that you're gonna watch X and Pearl because X and Pearl are not really Amanda movies Maxine might be because it feels a little bit like a crime thriller.

You don't know what's an Amanda movie and what's not. Don't I? Well, sometimes I surprise you. That's true. Yeah. I wonder which one of the two you would like more. Would you like to guess? I'm going to say X.

Okay. I think Pearl you'll find very annoying. Okay. But we shall see. Also, one of the stars of Pearl, David Cornsweat. He's the star of the forthcoming Superman. Oh, right. Yeah. How old is David Cornsweat? 78. Okay. But we shall see. Also, one of the stars of Pearl, David Cornsweat. He's a star of the forthcoming Superman. Oh, right. Yeah.

Which is written and directed by James Gray. How old is David Cornsweat? 78. Okay. In addition to Maxine, she's also going to appear in Frankenstein, which is different from The Bride. This is Guillermo del Toro's edition of Frankenstein. And she's playing, in that film, The Bride.

Great. So we have brides going head-to to head, Jessie Buckley and Mia Goth. Who do you think will prevail in that battle? Mia Goth. Yeah, she's well suited for this. Well, I'm just also like, it's a Guillermo del Toro thing. Plus who else is in that movie?

That's going to be a thing. No, no, no, I'm going to see it. Philadelphia's finest David Coren Sweat is 30 years old. Wow, you didn't even put him on the we didn't include him list. Yeah. Sixers fan. Tough weekend for him.

Okay. R.I.P. Sorry, Superman. We found your kryptonite. His name is Jalen Brunson. Number 25. You don't care that we omitted Superman? You're not going to speak about that at all?

I don't think he's done enough. Okay. He probably should be on that in the pipeline list. Okay. I didn't think he was that as young as 30 but he's only been in like he was in pearl he was in hollywood age um well he grows from a boat like a baby when he lands on the planet that's true krypton up to an adult man clark kent um as i've told you about this in the past there's a wonderful graphic novel

called kingdom come about old dc superheroes and dealing with the new generation a little bit of like the gen z mommy issue you know with jack antonoff and all of your struggles with everyone waking up but it's like that but superheroes where there's like an old batman and he's a paraplegic okay but so i just like physically superman does age i believe he does but probably slower than everyone else. Does he stay as strong? Couldn't say. Haven't run the numbers on that one. Okay. Haven't checked the DNA tests. I genuinely don't know. What have you been doing? Slowly removing myself from the discourse of superheroes for the last five years. Much to your delight. That is true. Who's 25? Rachel Zaglar. Yeah, so you spoke about her earlier. Yeah. West Side Story.

Wonderful. Peter. Shazam Fury of the Gods. Tough set. Hate to see it. Tough set. Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. I thought she was good.

You kind of hated on her. She was good. Again, I don't care for the style of music that she performed incessantly throughout the two hour and 40 minute film. Like folk country pop. Yeah. You're not a fan of that. This, there was like a little too much like, hey, you know.

You see what I'm saying? I was just like a little too much. It just didn't, it didn't land. You should be forced to sing a Lumineers song on this pod. I wish I had planned for that But Many people saw this movie It made money

So She's gonna be in She's really good online also Wanna let her know that Good online? Yeah like she's funny Okay How would you know

When you're not online? I check in Okay You know Just go to her accounts Individually? They appear Okay I think she's Really talented She's gonna be in Y2K Which is Kyle Mooney I check in. Okay. You know. Just go to her accounts individually? They appear. Okay.

I think she's really talented. She's going to be in Y2K, which is Kyle Mooney of SNL fame's new movie about a bunch of people in the run-up to Y2K. You know, people pointed out that we didn't talk about Y2K on the 1999 movie draft, which was a good point. That was like one of the critical cultural sort of anti-events. It never amounted to anything. Yeah. But people talked about it non-stop that year i know but that was like we were all like 13 you know no i was 17 oh did you

what y2k preparations did you make uh well i moved into a bunker and lived there for four years and i emerged and you never left yeah uh no nothing nothing just uh watch south park bigger longer and uncut with my wife it was like just really like a lot of adults, again, on the Today Show or the Evening News being like, what about our, where will our emails go? You know? Where did they go? And how will we get cash? And then they just got a bunch of cash. And then it was fine.

Where are you at on inbox zero? I noticed as we were, because we're sitting side by side. So I noticed that you are like full inbox zero sociopath which is like the least surprising thing in both accounts yeah i i don't i don't have a rigorous protocol in general email is becoming increasingly optional for me um i see so i treat it as such i try to get rid of the like really junky stuff. I unsubscribe like crazy. Don't

don't send me your marketing shit. I get very angry. Okay. But I don't I'm not like you and I'm also not like my husband who just leaves everything

in his inbox. That I just broke out into hives. It's horrifying and he gets so much PR stuff. I have a heart murmur hearing that. God bless all the publicists of the world. I know you got to get the into hives it's it's horrifying and he gets so much pr stuff like god bless all the publicists of the world i know you got to get the word out but it's like he gets probably like 30 you know new song out on whatever emails a day and they're just all in his inbox that seems like poor marketing if that's the phrasing they're using and he opens

all of them that's the other because he like, I don't like having unread emails, you know? Because that's how... I'm really sorry I asked this question. You asked. I did. But anyway, he marks all of them as read, but then just leaves them there. Okay. That's very stressful.

Me, I'm reading some emails. I'm not reading some emails. I'm writing back to some. I'm not writing back to others. That's where stressful. Me, I'm reading some emails. I'm not reading some emails. I'm writing back to some. I'm not writing back to others. That's where I am. Do you drink alcohol before the pod? No. Okay.

Rachel Zegler is also going to star in Snow White. What do you think Woke Disney is going to do to Snow White in that one? I mean, this just seems like everyone regrets all of their decisions. Maybe they just won't release it. They probably will. They're going to. Although, obviously, they're reimagining their live action strategy. Did you watch the Mufasa trailer?

The new Barry Jenkins film? I didn't yet. But I saw that Beyonce and Blue Ivy are voices. Bob, let's get the Mufasa image up on the screen now. We've got him at number 24. Really excited about that. Should we have had characters like that?

Is Mufasa under 35 in the world of Disney? Yeah, it's young Mufasa. It's a Mufasa prequel. Oh, yes. True. Yeah.

He looks like Sorry, I lost track of that lineage. You know, I forgot that we were going all the way back to early days Mufasa. Yeah, well.

And his childhood traumas and his anxieties. We need to explore those. Yeah. I mean, really, what started it all for him? What what was it a tragic loss that he'll never be able to shake lives with him forever did you watch it with Alice this morning no I'm trying to figure out whether or not that's gonna work because you know it's digitally animated but it's set in the real world environment it's not it's not pure animation so she's gonna be scared is that your concern or

she's just gonna be like I only like drawings well? Or she's just going to be like, I only like drawings? Well, it's a drawing in a way. I don't know. She's watched some real world stuff. We've checked out The Muppets, obviously Sesame Street for years. So I think she can handle that. But like two lions in battle for 20 minutes? Seems not ideal.

Anyway, number 24. Iowa Dibbery. It's an interesting one. I think I underestimated just what a mega year she had in 2023. Yeah, but it was like insane, like skyrocket. And it's like obviously on the back of the bear, which just comes out every year like clockwork. And it's coming out again this June.

But yeah, she was in Bottoms. She was in Theater Camp. She was in Theater Camp. She was in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. She's being cast in more movies. And also just because of the way the awards season works, worked this year, she was thrust together with all the movie stars. And then, you know, like the whole I'm Irish bit. And so then she's just like taking photos with Paul Meskel everywhere.

And like that by association has elevated her movie stats. I mean, she is also like making movies. Yeah. She was also in Spider-Verse. Like she's been on Big Mouth for years. So like she's very popular among young people. Old people got it. You know, all the 40-year-old bros who are like the bear.

It's my favorite show. The bear rules. You don't need to do that voice for the bear. I mean, I'm doing an impression of myself okay um the bear is for all of us okay

I mean I think it's for like Ridley Scott heads who want to see stuff in a kitchen but um it's sure it's absolutely for all of us she's wonderful in that show

and I she's gonna be in Inside Out 2 yep per your Maya Hawk note mm-hmm she's gonna be in

Ella McKay which is James L. Brooks' new movie. Right. Which is exciting. It is. And then she's going to be in our pal Mark Anthony Green's new movie, Opus. Yes. This is the first movie that she's effectively headlining by herself, which is an A24 movie.

So I feel like she's more than anyone on the list kind of triangulating the moment. Yes. Like got good taste, picking the right projects. Like it's hard to pick the right animated movie to voice, but now she's gonna, she will have voiced characters

in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Spider-Man, and Inside Out 2. It's pretty smart. She's getting all, like, the primo. Yeah. The picks.

I mean, she also is just, like, personality-wise, like, it clicks. She's very funny, very likable. Like, all the speeches that she had, they were awards for TV shows, but you're just like, oh, that's a star. Like, it is just, it's instant. Like, her Instagram is very funny, very likable. Like all the speeches that she had, they were awards for TV shows, but you're just like, oh, that's a star.

Like it is just, it's instant. Like her Instagram is very funny. She also enjoyed Challengers and the score. You know, she's like plugged in and you see it happening in real time. You know what else she uses? What? Letterboxd. Oh yeah, she's very good at that.

Yeah, very big on Letterboxd. Well, she was, but now she's in the Tina Fey zone of not being able to read movies anymore. Oh, that's smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch that video? That Las Culturistas video of Tina Fey? Oh, yeah. Having an opinion is like too expensive.

Yeah. Yeah. You're living the opposite lifestyle. You're like, how rich can I get from having opinions? Right. That's true. But that's because I'm not trying to create anything. I'm just here having opinions.

Very good point. So 24, pretty good showing for somebody who wasn't on the list last year. Number 23, also a new addition, Margaret Qualley. This is a Sean pick. Yeah. I feel good about it. But it's valid. I mean, she's been in everything. She's been in a lot of stuff. Actually, listing the movies that she's made, I can't believe. Between movies and television, she's already had a pretty amazing career because people forget she was on the leftovers and she was also on fossy verdon and she was also on made on netflix which is a huge show yeah so just from her tv work she's gotten really famous now obviously she's also married to jack antonoff and that's fairly recent so she's kind of like been in the the tabloid she's a she's

become a household name not just because of her movies in the last 18 months. Because of her fame. Yeah, if she is a household name. And also Andy McDowell's daughter. Sure, yeah. So she's got a lot, there's a higher level

of awareness for her. Also she was, she headlined Drive Away Dolls which didn't totally work as a movie but was kind of the first time that she was really out front on a movie like that.

She took a very bold choice with an accent that maybe didn't work but we appreciate the effort and also you know it's just been in The Nice Guys Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

you know Claire Denis movie Stars at Noon Sanctuary Poor Things like she's just been in a ton of stuff over the last five years

she's about to be in another Yorgos Lanthimos movie Kinds of Kindness she's about to be in a movie that's going to premiere at Cannes called The Substance which is one of the

more hotly tipped movies Coralie Fargeat's movie co-starring opposite Demi Moore and then she's going to be in the next Ethan Coen and Trisha Cook movie Honey Don't

which comes out next year so she's got a lot of stuff lined up plus she's been defending Jack Antonoff from you for the last four days

since the Challengers pod I'm sure her emails are very strongly worded. Yes, yes. But you wouldn't know because you haven't read them because you're not using it. Number 22. How do you feel about this one? She should be on the list. I wonder if she and the next person aren't a bit too high.

Oh, interesting. Maybe the next three people. Well, no. 20 is, I think, right. 20 is a new addition. It's like a fluke of of timing and when we do this okay but 22 is daisy edgar jones who was in obviously in normal people which was released four years ago this weekend because she was celebrating that anniversary four year anniversary yeah with like a lot of pictures just that's real my first boyfriend energy

well listen she's got a blockbuster promote this summer. She needs to remind people why they love her. But it was, it was very obvious. This is spreadsheet boys saying this too. I know, I know.

It's really, and then she was in Fresh, which people on Instagram seem to really like. And I see a lot, I see a lot of clips of it, you know? Yeah.

A great premise, not totally executed. And Where the Crawdads Sing, which was just a fascinating so that movie which is abhorrent um is the reason why she's on the list because that movie did huge business for a literary adaptation right um that was dropped in the middle of the summer and made over 100 million dollars and she was the star. I mean, she was by far and away the center of the movie.

Along with Paris Dickinson. Yeah. I wouldn't say the movie was sold on him. No, it wasn't. And she's now about to be in Twisters and On Swift Horses, another kind of hotly-tipped movie

that might be coming out next year. And she's the co-lead of Twisters. She's in the Helen Hunt part opposite the Bill Paxton of Glenn Powell. Right. But she is also, like, desperately tweeting

to remind people that she was in Normal People four years ago. You know, so like the cultural relevance, even though we're the crowd at Sing. Okay, an important question. Can you tweet in a way that is not desperate? Yes, I think so. But not if you're famous or known. You're incredibly desperate at all times.

Okay, yeah. That's fine. What about when I'm happy? Listen, all posting... Is it desperate when I'm happy? All posting is desperate from us or from... But if you're just... Are you saying I'm not as famous as Daisy Edgar Jones?

Yeah, but you do still have a platform of sorts. And then you're going to Twitter and Letterboxd to share other feelings. And that's desperate. Why? Because it's like you have so much to put out in the world that you can't fit it all in one place. How beautiful. You just described something so lovely. You gotta stop sending emails. That would be lovely. You gotta stop posting. I love to email. I love to post. Do you love to email? love to post do you love to email? no but I you have a pretty severe email style

I do I do I'm an efficiency monster and it like leaks over into text sometimes as well it's like am I getting a business text from Sean

or am I getting a friend text from Taun I know Sean and it really like the capitalization changes it's so hard to just be near me in any way it's really a challenge

people don't understand the emotional labor that goes into just like absolutely fucking dealing with you. I know. Day in and day out. Tough road to hoe for you.

You've really had some struggles. Number 21. Bill Skarsgård, which was like the first name that you wrote into this document. We're like essentially doing this list so that you can talk about Bill Skarsgård. Who is like a member of the wonderful Skarsgård family, which I enjoy. He's the first person who I thought of who I was like, we've never talked about him on this episode before. And now I feel it's appropriate that he's on the list. I don't think that would have been the case when he was just being Pennywise five years ago.

Right. But now when you realize that he used Pennywise to basically create like a persona, he's kind of doing what John Malkovich was doing in the 90s, where he's like, I'm only playing heels and I'm chewing the scenery. Now he's doing it in franchise movies more often. Little bit of a tricky timing because Boy Kills World, his new movie, just bombed hard over the weekend.

As I understand it, it's not really his fault. It sounds like that was a pretty, just a poorly made movie. But he's 33 years old. He's been in the It movies. He was in Eternals. He was in Barbarian, fantastic in Barbarian. He's very, very fun and effective in John Wick Chapter 4.

He's so good, yeah. And this year, he now has The Crow, which is coming out in August. And he is Nosferatu in Robert Eggers' Nosferatu. They showed the Nosferatu trailer at CinemaCon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not in it. Okay. Well, that's because it's the reveal.

They withhold the image of him. It's very exciting. I'm excited for you. You know, Christmas is a time of wonder for us all. Don't be mean. Like, you can do anything you want, but don't be mean. Just try it. I think Bill Skarsgård is super talented. I think he's wonderful.

I'm a fan of all Skarsgårds. This was one where I was like, should we have switched him with Aaron Taylor-Johnson? You know? And I understand that he is, like, the big reveal of Nosferatu, and probably by the time we get... He's kind of the star of a lot of movies. I mean, he's Pennywise. Like, by the time we get to Nosferatu, we might switch it back unless aaron taylor johnson does become james bond but like

right now you know what i mean i'm putting money down that nosferatu is going to be a big hit that's cool so he's 21 i'm not making you change it number 20 yeah jody comer so you know she's probably still best known for Killing Eve. Because that first season was so incredibly successful. Right. It seemed like such a phenomenon. I didn't realize that she was also the star of a series called The White Princess that was on Starz, I think, for like three seasons. I think I watched some of that.

So, yeah, they are... Do you want to hear about this? On Starz? It's really up to you they basically started doing the tutors but for all of the women who came before like going back to so it's like historical fiction going back to the war of roses that before and it's always like a centered on a young woman who's learning about sex somehow even though you're not supposed to but but also historical intrigue but she was the star of this show right yeah i think so i don't remember which one the white princess is okay um won't be you're not supposed to. But also historical intrigue. But she was the star of this show, right? Yeah, I think so. I don't remember which one the white princess is.

Okay. Won't be watching that. But it's out there. Catherine, Mary or something, you know. Elizabeth. Were there any Zendayas back then? No. Okay.

She's in Free Guy, which is an abomination that should be blasted to the sun. The Last Duel, she's terrific in that movie. She is. I just watched last night a movie that I missed in 2023 called The End We Start From, which honestly, if it had a different studio, probably would have gotten her an Oscar nomination. She plays a woman who's just given birth to a child in the midst of an apocalyptic scenario in England.

There's a massive flood, but it is not a disaster movie. You never really see the disaster. It is just entirely told to her. It's a little bit of kind of Cormac McCarthy's The Road. Not quite that dire, but just like a very sad, intense movie. Not the most fun watch, but she is incredible in it. I mean, just like it is a display of one of her kind of her range as an actor. You know, she's played a lot of like quippy, zippy, wild gals in movies and TV shows.

And this is like a really Meryl Streep movie basically with her. Right. That she was excellent in. And then now upcoming, she's in The Bike Riders, which I've seen. And I think she's the best part of the movie and makes a really bold choice in the movie. And I thought it really worked. And I actually can't imagine the movie without her. Even though it's got the great Austin Butler iconography and Tom Hardy and all these great actors.

Mike Feist. She's amazing in Bike Riders. And it was just announced she's going to be the star of 28 Years Later, which is the reunion of Alex Garland and Danny Boyle in the 28 Days and Weeks Later movies. So that's kind of like her first big franchise thing. I think she was not on the list last time just from a fluke of franchise thing i think she was not on the list last time just from a fluke of scheduling yeah she was 21 on the 21 and because the last duel despite our enthusiasm for it was still kind of covid box office wise it like didn't do very well and didn't hit yeah so 19 this was these next two are my call you didn't know i was going to put

these on but i didn't protest but you didn't know I was going to put these on but I didn't protest but you didn't protest the first one is Millie Bobby Brown yeah Millie Bobby Brown

is 20 years old she's obviously best known as Eleven is that the character's name from Stranger Things sure

but she's actually been in a lot of movies recently and she's a big part of the Netflix movie strategy

writ large so she's in two Godzilla movies she's in King of the Monst netflix movie strategy writ large so she's in two godzilla movies she's in king of the monsters and godzilla she was cut out of the most recent one her podcast enthusiasm didn't translate did she get like stepped on at the end of godzilla versus kong or something why is she not in the movie i don't remember she's isn't she kyle chandler's daughter and she's also really into Brian Tyree Henry's podcast. Yes. We don't really get to explore Brian Tyree Henry's podcast world in this new movie, because he just has to go to Hollow Earth immediately.

So you think because of the lack of interest in podcasting, she was not featured in the film? Yeah. Probably more of a contractual issue. She's also been in two Enola Holmes movies, which I find unwatchable, but are very successful for Netflix. And she was also in a movie this year called Damsel, which I didn't think was ultimately all that successful. But again, she's like a part of the Netflix brand. And then I think the next movie that she's in

is The Real Test, which is another Netflix movie from the Russo brothers. Their most recent Netflix movie was The Gray Man, which stinks. But this is the same. It's Marcus and McFeely, the writers of the Avengers movies and Captain America movies that write movies for the Russos. And she's the star of the movie. She's very, very, very, very, very famous, especially to us. She's unbelievably famous. Whether she's beloved, I don't know. She obviously really was

beloved like five years ago and Stranger Things was in its heyday. And she was a young teen star. She's now 20 years old. Movies are getting made because of her. So that's an important factor. But she's like pure, pure, maybe not even Gen Z, like the next generation. I think technically she's Gen Z, but she has more Gen Alpha energy. Yeah, that's what you're saying. That's what they're calling them? Generation Alpha.

Okay. But those are the people who follow her everywhere you know to to me i'm just like that's like a netflix teenager thing it's kind of you know like i barely see it happening but i do see it happening i know she's like wildly famous yeah i see this as a an acknowledgement of what happens to correct you know yeah but this isn't like a passion pick for us. Number 18. This is a passion pick for me. This is really funny. Taylor Swift.

Yeah. Now, the best thing about this, there's a couple great things about this. One, Taylor Swift's 34 years old, notably. So this will be her last time she can compete for a spot on this list. So I wanted to give her her flowers. You know, I really feel she deserves it.

Yeah. These are the films that she's made. She was in the film Valentine's Day. She provided her voice to the movie The Lorax. She was in The Giver. I saw that in theaters. She was the star and director of All Too Well Colon, the short film. Yep.

She starred in Amsterdam. Yes. The David O. Russell movie. You skipped an incredibly important entry in her filmography. Oh, I forgot about Cats. Yeah. And The Heiress Tour. Yes. Which came forgot about Cats. Yeah. And the Errors Tour. Yes.

Which came out last year. Yes. Which was a big success. And that's the reason why she's on the list. Right. She's also reportedly... Making a movie for Searchlight. Making a movie.

Okay. She's directing and maybe starring, maybe not. She's kind of a movie star. Yeah, absolutely. I think that technically it qualifies. Bob Iger had to go over to her at the table when they were both dining. I can't remember where. La Dolce Vita is somewhere else.

La Dolce Vita? Yeah, it's a restaurant as well as a movie. It's a wonderful Fellini film. Yeah, I understand that it's a film as well. They've taken the name La Dolce Vita? I don't even- What if I just opened a restaurant called Pulp Fiction? We could go.

Okay, great. I mean- I feel like La Dolce Vita is just sort of like a concept and a saying as well you know i don't think it fully invented those three words i'm gonna be honest like the restaurant's just okay so i don't even know whether it's still open anymore it was like buzzy last summer where was i i couldn't get a call um no you couldn't i went i went with my cool friends who got a reservation you don't have cool friends nice try you have friends who get invites to things they're not cool that's rude they're listening to this i love them they're great people are they cool

it's true 40 something women it's all good hey excuse me you know what let's be honest you know um yeah it's a restaurant but i don't know whether that's where they went I think that Bob Iger and Paul McCartney went to Dolce Vita together but I don't know whether it was I think I think the hot spot

has moved on do you think Paul told Bob that Disney's too woke have you have you been listening to the Paul pod the Paul McCartney podcast

I haven't god it's so good okay I will every episode is like 22 minutes and it's just and half of it is haven't. God, it's so good. Okay, I will. Every episode is like 22 minutes and it's just, and half of it is just Pushkin ads. So it's like 14 minutes

of Paul talking about how he just, you know, wrote Blackbird. You know, he's like, well, I woke up one day and I saw Blackbird out the window and I thought to myself, hmm, Blackbird sure does fly.

Like his stories are ridiculous. I mean, it's just like out comes magic. Anyway, great, great, great podcast. All right. Taylor Swift. Do you think that she will make it to 35 over 35? I don't.

I think you don't. That's a pretty tough community of people. I mean, it's a much larger pool. Okay. I'll ask you one really important question. Don't take too long to answer it. Did she make a strategic error with this Travis Kelsey thing long-term? Will we look back on this as a short film? I look at it now and I'm like, what are you doing? But that's just me watching footage of Travis Kelsey hosting,

are you smarter than a fifth grader or whatever? And being like, really? This is what is doing it for you? But I guess it is. Having heard the album and how fixated she was on Maddie Healy, it is a classic rebound situation. So we'll see. Just run in the opposite direction. Okay, we're at the halfway point. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll do 17 through 1.

17. I'm a little torn on this one, too. Academy Award nominee. He's done some amazing work. A little bit of a dip right now going on with lakeith stanfield sometimes this happens you know they don't control their release schedules or the cycle of the moon that determines when you make this list so he was coming out of judas and the black messiah and yeah the harder they fall coming i was like we got one we really got one and since then these are the projects that

LaKeitha's made. Haunted Mansion. Did you see that? No, Scarlett Johansson was in it, right? I don't think that's the case. Or didn't she release it or something? Like, didn't Haunted Mansion play a pivotal role in the reconciliation between Scarlett Johansson and Disney after the Black Widow lawsuit? Did she produce it? Can you Google Scarlett Johansson Haunted Mansion? Yes. The stars of that movie are Tiffany Haddish, Danny DeVito, Owen Wilson. Okay. Nothing?

No? Okay. What was the movie? I believe it's the Tower of Terror movie. Okay. I was close. Come on. It's a good guess.

Now, those are both movies inspired by Rise. movie. Okay, I was close. Come on. It's a good guess. Now, those are both movies inspired by Rise. Also Scarlet, ma'am. And now in Jurassic World. Have you been on Tower of Terror? That's the drop one? Yeah. Yeah, no. You haven't been on it?

No, no, no, no. I don't like to do any of the drop things because I heard an apocryphal story once about someone getting their hair cut in one of the, their long hair in the machine. And that never happened. And could not happen in Tower of Terror. Tower tower of terror this is the story of modern hollywood tower of terror was one of my favorite rides in all of the story of modern yes hollywood is that you had a favorite

ride no no just hear me out tower of terror was in california adventure disneyland um where was it in Disney World? It's a really good question. I don't know the answer to that. I don't go to Disney World as often as I go to Disneyland, which is not very often, honestly, but I'm going on Friday to Disneyland. I know, I know.

But we won't be going to California Adventure because we'll be with a toddler. Nevertheless, Tower of Terror was there for years and Tower of Terror was a Twilight Zone themed ride. So when you get- Oh, this is big for you. When you get on the, of course, I love the Twilight Zone. When you get on the ride of course, I love the Twilight Zone. When you get on the ride, Rod Serling appears on screen and he introduces an episode of the Twilight Zone as he often does,

setting up this elevator shaft ride. Such a cool thing when you're like 10 years old to experience this. Years go by. No one is complaining about Terror of Terror. There's lines out the door every time I go there. People fucking love this ride. My soul just left my body, but continue. Okay, but it gets worse. For whatever reason, they're like,

we got to revamp Tower of Terror. What did they replace it with? Oh my God, this is a story about amusement park renovations? Yes. Just guess what movie ride. Fall Guy? No, no, Disney.

That also had Disney at the end and Star Wars, and that was why you were so angry. Fall Guy is not Disney. Fall Guy? No. No. Disney. That also had Disney at the end and Star Wars. And that was why you were so angry. Fall Guy is not Disney. Fall Guy is universal. But didn't it? No, not Fall Guy. What's that? Free Guy is what I meant. No, not Free Guy. Free Guy. Sorry. That's what I meant. I'm sorry. No disrespect to Fall Guy, which I'm excited to see, but you know. Guardians of the Galaxy. It's the same ride. Oh. And it's just a drop ride, but they've replaced it with Guardians of the Galaxy storytelling and paraphernalia. And it's just a drop ride but they've replaced it with guardians of the galaxy storytelling storytelling and paraphernalia and it's a fine ride but they fucking killed rod serling they took him out of this ride that is upsetting so now scar scar joe i guess is bringing it back now that the ride no longer exists i don't know she's also going to be in

jurassic world anyway like he's stanfield tough story haunted mansion the changeling which was a series on apple tv plus that who i have you met a human who's watched it? He was also in The Book of Clarence, which came out in January, which is an attempt to make, it's like a farcical satire of biblical storytelling that is like one part Zucker Brothers, like airplane style story.

One part kind of like absurdist, almost like Alexander Payne tone of humor. Terrible. Yeah. Just terrible. Didn't work. He has a movie coming out called El Paso Elsewhere. That's the only thing I could find that he's working on next. And yet, I'm not giving up my Lakeith stock.

You support this? Yeah. I'm not giving it up either. Again, it's just like sometimes people are betwixt and between projects. Yeah. So he's between. Number 16, Dev Patel. Yeah.

34. He won't be back. Oh, sad. Maybe he'll be bond. Probably won't. This year, of course, he had Monkey Man, which was, I would say, a very modest success at the box office and also a very modest success as a movie, but showed us some stuff.

He has some interesting- I left the theater being like, Dev Patel. I knew he had it, but he still has it. He has it in new and interesting ways. Yeah. I would like to see more Dev Patel in my life. Me too. He's coming off of the wonderful story of Henry Sugar,

The Green Knight, personal history of David Copperfield, of course, Slumdog Millionaire. He was 17 last time, so he's moved up one slot. Okay. And he's got a movie coming up called Rabbit Trap.

Any objections? Any additions to the Dev Patel story? I did think that he would be a bit higher, but... I'm not sure I can credibly put him above any of these people. I agree, now that I'm looking at it. Even though some of them are sort of on hiatus right now, but that's okay. Their hiatuses are

more powerful than his, I guess. Is it hi-yay-tie? Hi-yay-tie? It could be. Hi-yay-tises? I don't know whether the OED has weighed in on what the plural of hiatus is. Let's give him a call. Okay. You have their number. It's in your email. I do use the phone. No email, but I'm just on the phone all the time, rolling calls. You talk on the phone? No. Okay. I hate talking on the phone. It's my least favorite thing. Okay. Number 15, Saoirse Ronan. Yeah. She's 30 years old. She has four Oscar nominations. She sure does. She was in that film, Lady Bird. She was the star. That was pretty good. Magical movie. She was in Little Women.

Yeah. That was good. She was in Ammonite, which she was based on your life. She was in... Atonement, also based on my life now. Yeah. Jesus. That's tough.

Grand Budapest Hotel. She hasn't done much. She made Faux last year, which was not successful. No. Even though it had a Paul Meskel as well. Right. Very few people saw it. But she had a Paul Meskel as well. Right. Very few people saw it. But she had a movie at Sundance that I haven't seen,

but really the only buzz about this movie was that it would lead to her fifth Academy Award nomination. It's called The Outrun. And she's also going to be in Blitz, Steve McQueen's new World War II drama that's coming out later this year. She was 19. Somehow she was lower. We've moved her up.

But this is entirely dependent on these next two movies. Right. I think we're just like the Blitz anticipation in particular, plus the Sundance buzz, which, you know, someone always has it. Does it always pan out? No. But we're Saoirse Pild here. I think it's appropriate. That's the big picture.

Yeah. Yeah. Got to support the Irish, you know. Yeah. 14, speaking of the Irish. Yeah. I think this is right to move him picture yeah gotta support the Irish you know yeah 14 speaking of the Irish yeah I think this is right to move him up

I'm not totally sure the the Sopran effect is real yeah it's like very powerful so Barry Keoghan Murder on the Dance Floor is everywhere

is it still yeah you say these things so authoritatively like you're not at home looking after a two-year-old like I really don't know what you're talking about

I heard it at Sweetgreen okay I heard it somewhere else i have a like our our 26 year old correspondent let me know that she heard it out at a club okay oh at a club yeah or like at a bar i don't know whether it was like a club club i don't think that's how izzy's rolling izzy can correct me she's like nice guy like delilah what are we talking about no how do you know the names of clubs give me a break come on is delilah still operational i think so yeah okay um i don't i don't know it was at a bar it honestly sounded fun because she was like they play good music and then i asked for some examples and she said

sabrina carpenter which is relevant because she's dating Barrett Keoghan. Oh, that's who that is. Yeah. Okay, good call. That me espresso is who that is. So, Saltburn, you're right. There is a Saltburn effect. The movie was seen by millions of people. There was a huge discourse.

Ultimately, don't think that movie works. I appreciate its efforts. Yeah. I like the swing. I think it's kind of stupid, but that's okay. It's okay to have stupid movies. It's okay to have stupid movies. That look beautiful.

It does look beautiful. He's going to be in a bunch of things coming up, most particularly Bird, which is the new Andrea Arnold movie, which I think is debuting at Cannes, right? Yes. So we'll see. It feels like, you know, he already has an Oscar nomination for Manchus of Inishiran.

It feels like a guy who'll be back at the Academy Awards. I mean, the resume, Killing of the Sacred Deer, Dunkirk, Green Knight, Eternals, you win some, you lose some. The Batman, Manchus of Inishiren,

Saltburn. He's always good. He's a serious guy. He's always good. I think what he's doing in Saltburn is like a wild, crazy swing that only works half the time, but he's mesmerizing.

He was 22 last time. He's up to 14. I think this is correct. I agree with you. Number 13. This is a hard one. This is a big fall for this guy. He was number five.

Sometimes people are taking a break and they earn that break. Look at you defending this guy. Well, I don't know. He seems like a nice guy. Who is it? Tom Holland. He's at 13. He's 27 years old.

I was also defending our methodology that he went from 5 to 13. He is Spider-Man. He is, and it sounds like he still will be. It sounds like they'll make another one, although nothing really has been announced about it other than they want to do it. He's been in Spider-Man movies and then a bunch of stuff that isn't that great. You know, he was the voice in Onward. He was in The Devil All the Time. He voice in onward he was in the devil all the time he was in cherry he was in chaos walking he had that one really funny

uh lip sync performance of was it rihanna's umbrella i can't remember yeah but it's singing in the rain leading into umbrella that was like seven years ago you reminded me that i need to show that to nox he'll really like that he is is or is not dating Zendaya. They're very dating. And they are. They're very dating. They're very dating. They're very dating. Exciting.

And they are becoming more and more open about that. They haven't really done red carpet appearances together, but they are on each other's Instagrams. They make references to each other. There was some unsourced people report last weekend that was talking about how they have discussed marriage. It's just a reality, which seems like a real- It's just a reality? Or something like it's just that people have to discuss it or something like that. I don't remember the quote. It was made up. But it's clear that they are not using the relationship

or they are more comfortable about that relationship being a part of their public personas, which I just think is notable when you have two such famous people. I didn't realize they were still together, but that makes sense. They seem like weirdly well-adjusted, both of them. Yes. Is that odd to say? For two people who've been famous for a really long time, like the most famous you can be. Right. been famous for a really long time like the most famous you can be right um i think that it helps

that they kind of are like in a little bubble together you know right right and that's probably part of the reason they're together this is common that movie stars tend to marry movie stars because they can only really understand i don't i don't think that they are actually planning on getting married anytime soon oh you don't you've divined this. Yeah. From whom? They're pretty young. Okay. Well, he's 27. Okay. Can you guess how old I was when I got married? Were you 27?

I was 27. Well, that's wonderful. Yeah. I think that you'd known your wife longer than Tom Holland. Not too much longer. Yes, that's true. I mean, when is that first Spider-Man movie? It's got to be, is it 2018 maybe?

When is Spider-Man Homecoming? Let's look it up. It's 2017. Okay, is it 2018 maybe? I'm going to Spider-Man Homecoming. Let's look it up. It's 2017. Okay. So he's coming up on a very, started filming in 16. Eight years together. That's nice. I need him to make one good movie for adults.

Just one. I mean. Is he closer to this guy on the board, Tobey Maguire? Or is he closer to Tom Cruise? Whose career is he more likely to have? the board, Tobey Maguire, or is he closer to Tom Cruise? Whose career is he more likely to have? And I like Tobey Maguire. I'm not trying to cast aspersions on him. Tobey Maguire is really good at Spider-Man and then just showing up with... And really good at playing poker.

Yeah. Doing some interesting things, producing Babylon. I love that. He is very charming, but he is coasting on the charm and the winningness as much as any sort of acting chops in Spider-Man. He's perfect for Peter Parker. Yeah. I've said this many times on the show. Okay, number 12.

Your girl. Last time she'll be here, Kristen Stewart. We're saying farewell to a lot of people this year. Kristen Stewart was number 11 last time. She's number 12 now. A very small drop down, not because the work isn't good, but just because she clearly seems not super interested in anything resembling mainstream Hollywood stardom. You know, she's not doing, what was that terrible franchise movie about like the king and the swordsman and the princess and the, you know what I'm talking about?

Oh. The one where she cheated on Robert Pattinson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Snow White andinson yeah yeah yeah the Snow White and the Huntsman Snow White and the Huntsman sure yeah the princess and the showgirl whatever that movie's called you know she

her last two movies are Crimes of the Future and Love Lies Bleeding right I loved both of those movies those are both very clearly like I'm doing my own shit now yeah

I'm doing what matters to me doing five for me she's so funny in Crimes of the Future it's like it's really one of the fun. She's like a fancy person who wants to put her finger in like bodily holes. Great.

Love it. But she's not really. She's not. Yeah. She's checking out in a good way. She's doing Kristen Stewart. She is in a film called Love Me that I saw at a Sundance. Did we talk about this?

I don't think so. She plays a buoy that is is artificial intelligence and she falls in love with a satellite played by oh yeah and then there's like a lot of underwater stuff no that's not the case they they had a form like a romance as these ai isn't she doing an underwater movie also no she made a film called underwater in 2021 that's what you're thinking of. It's about being underwater. She's got a movie called Sacramento coming out later this year too. Thank you for all your contributions, Kristen. We accept that you no longer want to make a Hollywood product.

Number 11, Jenna Ortega. Now, she was very controversial last time around. We quibbled over whether Andrea Arjona should be in her spot. Right. Since then, she's gotten significantly more famous. And since then, you've been to Las Vegas and heard the tales

of Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. You love to just wrap your arms around a bit. I will have my day. That's all you need to know. These are the things she's been in. The Fallout X,

the Ty West movie you'll be watching this summer. Of course, The Star of Wednesday, which is a massive show by a significant factor on Netflix according to the data,

Scream 6 and 7. And then a film called Miller's Girl that I watched last night. Let's talk about Miller's Girl quickly. Here's what it's about. It's about a young girl

living in Tennessee. She's studious. She's a literary type. She loves to read. She's really into Henry Miller, apparently. And she's... What time period is it?

Modern day. Okay. And she walks into her English class, I guess her senior English class. Okay. Sees a teacher, Martin Freeman. Turns out he's a failed author himself. He published one book of short stories

that was widely panned. And they take a shine to each other. Martin Freeman is married to Dagmara Dominczyk, who is Katarina on Succession, one of my great loves. And she's like a brassy Southern editor or something. She's constantly on the phone giving notes on books. And they have this love affair, this marriage that's all about quoting Henry Miller to each other and getting drunk all the time. But then it becomes a Lolita kind of a movie where they you know,

they have some sort of romantic encounter. I was afraid it was going to be about how Henry Miller was banned in Tennessee. And then it was like a whole, anyway. It's just one of those things, like one of those movies where everyone is talking as if they, like reading from their, you know, AP English test, you know, just like such florid dialogue over explained

even still I thought Jen Ortega was pretty good kind of held the movie she's good she's good she's got a lot of stuff coming out now

she's got Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Clara and the Sun Death of a Unicorn she's in the new Trey Edwards Schultz movie she's in something called Winter, Spring, Summer

or Fall coming out soon she was 32 last time she's 11 now she's only 21 years old when beetlejuice beetlejuice comes out and it sucks will you say she's off the list what will you say no i'll just be tending to you weeping you know have you seen beetlejuice yes but not in like 30 years in like 35 years not, you saw it when you were four years old? I don't know. So, that's not appropriate

for a four year old. Uh, what do you know? That's just not a movie for you? No, not really. Man, God.

Wait, just listen. We had different experiences. We see the world in different ways. That's what, you know, makes podcast magic. Who's number 10?

Anya Taylor-Joy. Yeah, she's good. I think you had her lower. And I was like, we have to... 10 feels right. At some point, I was like, okay, well, the top 10 of this list is just going to be in what order do you put the Dune actors? Not entirely, but close.

But yeah. But I guess she's in like a little bit of a lull right now. She might be too low. I think she probably is, but that's okay. We're just about four weeks out from Furiosa. Yeah. Again, a little bit of a timing thing, but. She was the voice of Princess Peach in the Super Mario Brothers movie.

Sure. You love Princess Peach, you've been saying for years. Your princess is in another castle. I'm always in another castle. Thank you. Very good. Nice. Did you think that they kind of feminized her so she could have it all in the Super Mario Bros. movie?

Did they give her enough agency so she wasn't just a damsel in distress? She drives, right? Drives? Yeah. Isn't she like driving in the Mario Kart part of that movie? She drives, yeah. Yeah. That part was good.

I like that part. Yeah, that part was awesome. That was that part. Yeah, that part was awesome. I've never been more stupid. Yeah, I've never been more wrong. And I got, like, really stressed in the moment, too, because I didn't get to play Mario Kart that much. But when I did, I really wanted to win. You know, and then I'm, like, moving back and forth, trying to, like, will the car to stay on the, you know, floating road. Yeah, Gen Z has Hideo Kojima.

We had Mario Kart. It was fucking awesome. Yeah, she's good. trying to like will the car to stay on the you know jenzy has a day at kojima we had mario kart it was fucking awesome um yeah she's good she's also going to be in the gorge which is an apple movie directed by uh scott derrickson okay made the black phone and sinister and he also directed doctor strange which i think is was your favorite of the MCU phase three movies. And yeah, maybe 10 is too low. She was eight last time we did this. And she was coming off of Northman and The Queen's Gambit. I think you could maybe flip her

in number nine. I will listen to that. Is Paul Meskel. Yes. And again, huge star. Does not need to be reminding people that he was in

Normal People four years ago. Has he made any movies anyone has seen? I mean that's the good question right? I mean he's Lost Daughter was on Netflix

so maybe people saw that. Yeah but even that part is pretty small. Yeah he's just like at the beach club just go to another beach club. He's in After Sun

which people love we didn't love but Academy were nominated right right, for After Sun? Yes. So that's big. He was in a Carmen adaptation from Benjamin Millipied, Natalie Portman's ex-husband. I thought it was unwatchable. He was in...

Also, and Chris Hemsworth-wise, Elsa Pataki was also in that, right? Was she? I think so. I thought it was Melissa Barrera. Well, I mean, I think that there were. Maybe it was both of them? Yeah. Let's Google this, but I'm pretty sure.

I was like, who wanted this movie? What is this? And of course, no one watched it. All of Us Strangers, he had a great supporting part, and he was in Foe also with Saoirse Ronan, which we mentioned earlier. But this is really. Yes, she was in it. She was Gabrielle. I don't know who that is.

You haven't seen Carmen? No, I didn't watch this adaptation. Though they did make us do a performance yeah okay they made us do a um an adaptation of carmen in the sixth grade so they had a bunch of sixth graders trying to communicate carmen was it inspired by carmen colon a hip-hopera starring beyonce yeah it was how'd you know did you watch that was it mckay piffer? Was he the co-star of that? You never saw this? Yeah, no, I did. That was when we used to be a country

and we would make stuff like Carmen a hip-hopera. Okay. Paul Meskel has Gladiator 2. Right. The History of Sound co-starring Josh O'Connor. Yeah. And he's currently making, over the course of a decade,

Merrily We Roll Along with Richard Linklater. Okay. He was previously number 33 on our list. I think people just want this to happen. Yes. Including us. I think collectively, everyone is just like,

that guy seems like he really has it. And he's like playing enough. He's not himself online, but he's getting dumped by Phoebe Bridgers. He's wearing the short shorts. I believe so. He was with Phoebe and then she is with Bo Burnham. So who's he dating now?

I don't know. Okay. He's a big thigh guy as well. Yeah, he's wearing the shirt. He's in the memes with Ayo. Amanda's thigh guys. Speaking of spinoff pods, I feel like between JMO Hour 3 and Amanda's thigh guys,

we're really… I'm just observing a trend, you know? And I'm saying that it works. Yeah, absolutely. And like the Gladiator 2 of it all, we just all want to happen so desperately on every single level. We want more movies like that. We want him and Denzel together, you know? I didn't see…

I wasn't in Vegas when they showed that stuff, but even since that happened, there's like all kinds of internet websites or movie websites that are just like, the test footage is unbelievable. Like, I don't think,

Britney's got 85 great making movies where like Paul Mescal and Denzel Washington are like riding sharks in the ocean straight to hell. Anyway.

Okay, number eight. Yeah. Florence Pugh, who's had an interesting couple of years here. riding sharks in the ocean straight to hell anyway uh okay number eight yeah florence pew who's had an interesting couple of years here she was six previously she got dropped down a little bit despite the fact that she's been a part of basically the two of the three biggest movies of the last 12 months but she's a small part a major part of the press tours and small but memorable in both Oppenheimer and particularly Dune Part 2 but Dune Part 2 she's really just there as set up for Dune Part 3 she is um and she wears chainmail what do you think was memorable about her in Oppenheimer she's also about to be in Thunderbolts which is a big marvel still next year yeah she's like i mean

she's basically the star of that movie i know but they like many people have been freed from the the shackles of thunderbolt as i understand she's portraying a character named yelena balova oh that's her black widow character yeah yeah remember when she just absolutely stole black because i was what if they were like you're spider-man now. That would be. They do that all the time. I guess you're right. That's literally what it's like to be me and go to a Marvel movie and they're just like,

hey, you're Spider-Man. She's still Yelena. Okay. Can you guess the rest of the cast of Thunderbolts? It's actually pretty fun because there's some characters

from our list so far on here. Well, people have been jumping in and out of it. So, no, I don't know. Was Ayo supposed to be in this? She was, but she's not going to be in it anymore. She dropped out? Yeah, and Steven Yeun also dropped out.

Damn. Okay, Sebastian Stan. Oh, okay, right. Is he the new Captain America? He's Bucky Barnes. Oh, he's still Bucky. Bucky didn't get promoted? No, the new Captain America is Sam Falcon.

Oh, Anthony Mackie. Okay, oh, good. Yeah, he's good. Apparently, that movie's not going very well, though. They've scrapped it and reshot it three times. Hannah John Kamen. Can't say I know who that is. Oh, yeah.

She was... Wow, she was in Ant-Man and the Wasp. This is one of the Thunderbolts. Wyatt Russell. Oh, good for him. He also aged out, by the way. He's 37. It's tough.

Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Oh, good. because she was so great in ant-man yeah whatever that was the name of her character is valentina allegra de fontaine right but she's like she was in black panther wakanda forever oh right right but she's like she's the suit right and then she but she's like doing a veep of her veep character okay here's an interesting question she's the director of the CIA but it says she's also a Contessa yeah well she's gotta turn evil right

but like what's and then does she order JFK's assassination it's just a female count that would be awesome if the Marvel did that and then Julia Louis-Dreyfus they do do stuff like that

I know that I would actually feel like Marvel's back baby that would be fun if they did that if it's Julia Louis-Dreyfus who killed Kennedy David Harbour and then Costner

comes back in this cast is insane it actually gets better so Florence Pugh okay David Harbour we were really getting somewhere

with our flashback Marvel movie about who killed Kennedy I'll go home and write it and then you can do a second pass okay

and we'll turn it into Feige and say make this I need you to make this with Florence Pugh Olga Kirilenko okay who plays Taskmaster one of your faves and we'll turn it into Feige and say make this I need you to make this with Florent Few Olga Kuralenko okay who plays Taskmaster

one of your faves oh that's just like the monster that eats everyone right no well that's what happens in Black Widow it doesn't eat everyone

she fights everyone but she's like trapped in a lot of machinery she doesn't actually get to be herself she can replicate the skills of her opponent I believe is one of her one of her powers uh lewis pullum of top gun maverick fame like him

yeah yeah and also lessons in chemistry right yeah and uh and harrison ford is he really yeah oh and he's playing the president or the senator or whoever so he's playing thaddeus thunderbolt ross colon the president of the united states he was playing Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, colon, the president of the United States. He was previously a U.S. Army general and then the U.S.

Secretary of State and reportedly is also playing Red Hulk. He turns into a Red Hulk. I mean... Harrison Ford.

All right, let's keep moving. Florence Pugh is fantastic. Yeah, she's wonderful. As I've said, she's a fire hydrant. I'm a huge fan. I saw the Zach Braff movie, A Good Person, that she madeugh is fantastic. Yeah, she's wonderful. As I've said, she's a fire hydrant. I'm a huge fan.

I saw the Zach Braff movie, A Good Person, that she made when they were dating. I saw that also. That was tough stuff. It's so bad. It's really, really bad. It hurt my head how bad it is. I saw that alone in an IPIC in Pasadena.

Just brutal, brutal material. She's also going to be in We Live in Time, which is a John Crowley movie that Chris drafted in the movie auction. I don't think it's coming out this year. So, CR continues his run of... Did you notice how CR fled the country when the Knicks started winning? Did you notice that?

I think he actually left during the one Sixers win, but... Should I tell you something? Yeah, now he's... Never abandon your boys. Now he's international. Not like me. I would never turn my back. Like in the Pacific Theater, you know, when I was fighting for my boys, I would never do that.

Number seven, Jacob Elordi, also a new addition. Here we go. Here we go where? He's very tall. He's very tall. He's 26 years old. Yeah. Your favorite work of his is The Kissing Booth.

But since then, he's also gone on to make Euphoria, The Sweet East, Priscilla, and Salt Burn. Sure. And of course, he's going to appear in O Canada, Paul Schrader's next movie. Yeah, debuting at Cannes. Yeah, with Richard Gere. And he'll also be in Frankenstein. Can't wait for those photo calls.

Should be interesting. I mean, Richard Gere's like 75, but sure. I know you love an old guy, but he's going to be Frankenstein in Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein. This has got to be hard for you. Like, how are you processing this? I'm going to see it.

Well, like, how do you feel? You know, like, people contain multitudes. And an actor's job is to transform. And if that's what he wants to do, that's fine. He's going to move from eyebrow piercing to deadbolts in his neck. Yeah. I like that. He's very tall, so he'll be imposing.

He's never been on this list before. Is this too much of a reach for him? No. I mean, he had between, again, the Sahlpern effect, very real, plus Priscilla. Like, the euphoria wave of just all these actors are coming, and they're kind of the chosen ones. The Paul Schrader, the Del Toro. You know, it's like you just, the things are aligning. What'd you think of his performance as Thelonious Monk in Deepwater?

That's so funny when he's just noodling on the piano. You're like, what are you doing? Ridiculous. I love it. He's good. Number six. Yeah. Here she is.

Is she number one? No. I mean, she's very powerful, but, and she could well be number one one day. We're talking about Sidney Sweeney. This is our third Euphoria cast member on this list. Yeah. Sidney Sweeney is, it's actually interesting because a lot of it is hinging on Anyone But You and her incredible fame in the aftermath of the success of Anyone But You.

And also how her, it was Sidney Sweeney's fame and internet presence and like the marketing of it all that in many ways propelled Anyone But You to the success that it had at the box office. Because the movie was fine. Agreed. And she honestly has many virtues and i don't know whether that style of comedy is one of them well there's something interesting about the fact that i've liked her in a few movies i've i really like her in euphoria i think she's great uh i liked her in reality i liked her in immaculate and usually when she's playing like a little bit more of a chaotic character who's kind of like

riven with anxiety and fear and a little bit of hysteria she's very good at that but anyone but you is the biggest hit she's been a major part of and that's one where she's doing something different now some of it was like it was a tiktok trend and a lot of girls were going together and seeing it as like a party experience but that movie was really really really big i mean a genuine phenomenon for that kind of a movie which i think bodes well for movies that you like to see get made that's true but i'm curious to see like what kind of a star she like what she becomes known for because she's done some audacious things like reality and the voyeurs are pretty audacious movies um immaculate even i know you'll never see it but like final

10 minutes of immaculate pretty cool for someone with her power to make a movie like that. I don't really know too much about the next couple of movies that she's making, Echo Valley and Eden, but man, she seems extremely famous right now. Yes. Like the, the next generation and kind of the, the, the broadest reach of anyone. Like, even if you're not like a movie, movie person, you know, about Sidney Sweeney or the broadest reach of anyone. Like, even if you're not like a movie movie person, you know about Sidney Sweeney or certain attributes of Sidney Sweeney.

Like what? Listen, she, you know, she was criticized by some producer I'd never heard of and then was just on Instagram wearing a sweatshirt that said like, sorry, my tits are perfect or something. Did she do that? Yeah, she did. Incredible stuff. Good for her. That's pretty good yeah uh number five so this is the one where i'm

like i i get it yeah it's like the last vestige of a generation 50 what you've done yeah and she's won an oscar and been in just many stone cold classics and is jennifer lawrence but she's won an Oscar and been in just many Stone Cold classics and is Jennifer Lawrence but she's not doing very much right now I don't think she's tabbed to do anything right at the moment she was in No Hard Feelings last year which I think the idea that No Hard Feelings would be a bomb and anyone but you would be a big hit is kind of is fascinating to me it's kind of flummoxing a little bit I don't totally understand because i think no hard feelings is just better and felt a little bit more like i guess ultimately that is kind of like the raunchy farrelly brothers apatow equivalent to the nora efron energy that

anyone but you wants to have right um but it didn't have a natasha beddingfield thing yeah just like salt burn you know it didn't it didn't have a murder on the dance floor it didn't have a Natasha Bedingfield thing. Yeah. Just like Salt Burn. Didn't have a meme. Or it didn't have a murder on the dance floor. It didn't have that. No, but it had the Maneater piano performance. It was trying to have a musical moment. Which was like very funny, but that is Maneater, you know? And that is also for a joke. Another shot at Philadelphia there.

Daryl Hall and John Oates. Sorry, buddies. I have to tell you that Spotify thinks I want to hear Rich Girl every two seconds. Like after- The Hall and Oates song. Yes. After every single song that I play for my son, the next song is Rich Girl every two seconds like after yes after every single song that I play for my son

the next song is Rich Girl by Hall & Oates not Young Gunna's not Young Chris and Neif no I do not want to hear

Hall & Oates Hall & Oates is Rich Girl can we do the Rockefeller version of Rich Girl Bob please that's the real version for me do you want

to be clear you want me to play that under the entire podcast on repeat if you could I you to be clear you want me to play that under the entire podcast on repeat if you could i think it would really help with the energy here thank you uh jen was 12 last time and you've moved her up to five because of no hard feelings and causeway happened too sure she was good in that you think she's gonna retire she have a kid she's a kid yeah her kid is almost exactly nox's age it's i gotta tell you in terms of like pregnancy twins jennifer lawrence is like not the most confidence boosting one you're oh like we

were pregnant at the exact same time and she like had the whole red carpet team promoting like glam team promoting no hard feelings and i was like in you know just at home her her nude scene the fight scene and no hard feelings is one of the most like what is going on moments i can remember in a movie uh god bless her she's doing great maybe five is too high i'm not sure it's tricky because you're like on the one hand sure anya taylor joy feels more like the future of movies i feel like maybe jen should be 10 and anya and paul should be nine anya should be eight floren Jen should be 10 and Anya and Paul should be 9. Anya should be 8. Florence should be 7.

Elordi 6. Sidney Sweeney 5. There's just no way that Jacob Elordi is a bigger movie star than Jennifer Lawrence. No way. Jacob Elordi is great. But like. Well, put. Okay.

Like Florence Pugh can't open a movie. Well, neither can Jennifer Lawrence anymore, apparently, which is like a tough thing to say yeah but you know don't look up causeway no hard feelings not like covering herself in box office glory there she rules i love her it's just sydney's vienna t-shirts that's the only people that can literally it yeah uh all right well let's let's keep going okay number four is important yeah a little bit of recency bias here no and other kinds of biases and accepting the reality here we are number four is a 31 year old man named austin butler sure is he was 20 on the list last time i didn't realize we put him on after elvis but we did yeah because i walked out of elvis and i was like that guy he has it yep thigh guy one of your thigh

guys he's not really a thigh guy he's's always wearing... How do we know that? Well, I haven't seen a lot of evidence of them, to be honest. He's mostly just wearing the same trucker hat. He's sort of doing like a Gosling sartorial move, which I guess works for him and consistency is good, but... Did you see I added top five Gosling movies to the list for the Fall Guy episode? No, but that's exciting. Okay, I feel like that'll be easy and fun. Did you see I added top five Gosling movies to the list for the Fall Guy episode? No, but that's exciting. Okay.

I feel like that'll be easy and fun. Austin Butler, my take is he's got the juice. That is also my take. I think he is weirdly captivating in Dune Part 2. I really, really love the decision to do Stellan Skarsgård's voice in the movie. Yeah. And I love how annoyed Dave Bautista must have been when he realized that he didn't do that he's great as Elvis I think Elvis stinks

but I think he's great in that movie the bike riders he's bringing a very very classical energy

to movies that most movie stars are not able to comport you know whether or not it totally works whether the movie totally works or not

I think we can debate when it comes out in June but he and Jodie Comer together are pretty special and then eddington was the recently announced ari aster western that he's going to be a part of so i feel like he's gonna he's here to stay yes he's gonna be here for a while okay so now we come to the trickiest part of the podcast we're we're headed towards conclusion territory we're in the final three you must be sitting at home thinking to yourself, gosh, Elena Stone's off the list.

And we haven't talked about three big names. Was Emma at number one last time? I feel that she was. I think so. No, that's not true. Last time was the person that I put as number three this year, but that you insist is number one. Yeah.

So in 2022, number one was Margot Robbie. Now, Margot Robbie- I thought that in 2022, Timothee Chalamet was number one. I think that was in 2021. Oh, I see. In 2021, it was Timothee Chalamet. In 2020, it was Emma Stone.

Yes. Emma Stone's off. Chalamet. In 2020, it was Emma Stone. Yes. Emma Stone's off. Yeah. Chalamet's held the number one spot. Margot Robbie's held the number one spot. Maybe this is just my synchronized mind wanting a new number one. Maybe it's responding to what's going on in the culture right now. Maybe I'm holding some things against Margot Robbie and Timothee Chalamet

that I'm not holding against the other person that is competing, which is Zendaya. So I had Margot Robbie at three, Timothee Chalamet at two, and Zendaya at one. There's a very simple reason for that. Margot Robbie has not opened an original movie ever. She has been a supporting character in movies. She's in I, Tonya, very good. Academy Award nominated. Not really a big box office hit. She's a supporting character in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Very good. But definitely the third lead at best. Suicide Squad, comic book movie.

Amsterdam, disaster. But we also made this list, like, right after. We made it in anticipation of Amsterdam and Babylon. Oh, it was before? November? No, did Amsterdam come? Oh, those were maybe maybe amsterdam had just come out okay but babylon is december okay well listen so since you're the you are the number one babylon man so i am but i have to be honest that that didn't help her yeah it helped me sure but does any of that matter? Because of what happened next? Well, I think it's important to talk about.

Because Barbie is the biggest movie of last year. It is like a seismic movie in the movie culture. It's a mega success. $1.45 billion worldwide. She's the producer of the movie. She is the person who said, I want Greta Gerwig to do it. But this is not 35 under 35 producers it's 35 under 35 movie stars so do you feel that barbie was the success that it was

because of greta because of margot robbie's movie stardom it was a huge part of it and her promotion of it i mean like do i think that margot robbie showing up in like a different Barbie costume everywhere for eight months was like a major part of people being aware of that movie and being like sure I'll go to it yeah I do I mean also obviously it was called Barbie and that helps like people have heard of that that's to me that works against it sure but I mean Barbie is so far in a way, so much more successful than either of the movies that Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya have been a part of, have quote unquote opened. It's like, and she did produce it, which, you know, it's not the producers, but the power of a movie star to be like, no, no, no, I will make this and I will be in it. And this is how it'll be. And then it'll make over a billion dollars. It's kind of undeniable. Yeah, I think you can be like the smartest person on the list, but not necessarily the biggest star.

I just, I have like a clear rationale for this. Yeah. And it necessitates talking about our two other contenders. Sure. And I would say that the distance between them is like a hair's breadth and you might look

at the list like any person who just like is on Twitter and looks at the list is going to be like how can Margot Robbie not be number one she had Barbie

I personally we don't go out of our way to put like MCU actors on the list and I feel like Barbie is in a very similar category it is pre-branded IP from a huge studio

that went all out to promote this movie to market this movie so it's got a leg up on it's like to promote this movie, to market this movie. So it's got a leg up on. It's like being like, I'm in a Jurassic Park movie. It's like, you know, obviously she's at the center of it and made creative decisions. I'm not taking that away from her.

But it's a very well-known property. So inherently, that gets held against it. Now, the same, I think, is kind of true for Shalaman. I was going to say, like, Dune and Wonka. Yes. And also, for zendaya dune absolutely and then what you have is challengers which is for my money the best movie of the year so far had like a huge deal this past weekend respectfully 15 million dollars is not 1.5 billion dollars you can make the case it's a disappointing return. Though, an original sports movie.

It's like an original. People have been trying to do the stats and it's romantic. It opened at number one. It opened at number one at the start of the summer. Challengers is amazing.

I think Zendaya is ascendant. She will be number one soon. I think Challengers is a major part in it. I just still think what you've done, 50% of that is Barbie.bie plus she's in one scene in asteroid city lights out yeah steals the movie you loved babylon i don't

know what to say about amsterdam but like you know it's a terrible movie it's i mean just like an absolute disaster but the rest of them she's at least making interesting choices she's got and she is like very famous yeah i wonder if she's more famous than zendaya i genuinely don't know i think it's probably age based yeah if you're under 40 zendaya is a much bigger deal if you're or maybe i should say under 35 if you're 35 and over you're much more familiar with margot robbie because you've got wolf of wall street you've much more familiar with margot robbie because you've got wolf of wall street you've got once upon a time in hollywood you've got like a more kind of gen x millennial leaning crowd of people who were really like movies that she was in right

i think more people have seen margot robbie in a movie than have seen zendaya in a movie just like rather worldwide i mean it's true jennifer lawrence too sure so i don't necessarily that doesn't mean a lot to me. Like, the same way that we're holding against Jennifer Lawrence. Well, but we have Jennifer Lawrence at number five, even though. That's true. She has not done anything that anyone has seen in several years. Would, where would you put, if in your, so do your configuration.

Of the top three? Now, I'm also in a little bit of a list making mode here, obviously. So I'm trying to keep it interesting. But like, what is your top three? Zendaya three, Chalamet two, Margot Robbie number one. Right now. I think most people would agree with that. And I think that that will change.

And I think, you know, Margot Robbie is both aging out of this. And Zendaya is ascendant. And I think Chalamet is going to play Bob Dylan in a James Mangold movie. And I don't know how people are going to respond to that. People love Bob Dylan though. Yeah, I listen to him all the time. Honestly, every week. Whenever I'm stuck and I'm like, what should I listen to?

Just go to Bob. Really? Yeah. He's my go-to. That's beautiful. Because I'm still learning stuff. I'm still figuring out the songs. It's a great way to go through life.

Just learning about yourself through art. I feel like i've just been trapped in this podcast forever so i say zendaya 3 timothy chalamet 2 it's lunchtime again this wonderful podcast yeah margot robbie number one i just like i those are just facts you know i understand you want to paint a beautiful list to you know chisel on the big picture wall to have forever and a part of your grand project you need you know editorial both consistency and surprise but i i think it's margot robbie number one i was an editor-in-chief once upon a time something i used to do i think about these things harder. I think you're right. I think you're right. So Margot Robbie won. It's not the most

interesting list-making decision. I understand that. Here's what's holding me back. I'm not, I don't, let's just set aside Barbie for a second, which I know is something you technically can't do because it was the biggest movie of last year. But let's just set it aside for a second. Prior to that, Margot Robbie's reputation was that she was box office poison. Now,'t agree with that's not like a a qualitative judgment i think she's

an incredible actress i've talked about this many times yeah but in hollywood people are like she can't open a movie yeah but in hollywood they're just like beetlejuice beetlejuice you're right you're right You know what I'm saying? But she did the thing. I mean, she was like, I'll be, I'll do Captain America,

but for girls. Like that's what she did. Yeah. That's, and it worked. Right. And it made a lot of money. You wouldn't give Sebastian Stan

credit for that. You know what I mean? Like that's not something in the axis of judgment, this being the thing that makes her number one again. But in some ways, Timothee Chalamet

in Dune is doing I mean It's a much bigger risk. I think. I think Dune is a much bigger risk. But it's still built in fan base

like you know I also I think he gets major points docked for Wonka. Wonka is like cynical shit to the bone.

I don't you know I know people liked it but that is a choice for like building your stardom. I get why you did it. And it made a lot of money. It worked. It was smart.

I just thought it was really cynical. You can't tell me that the guy who's like fawning over Martin Scorsese is like, I've always wanted to play 19 year old Willy Wonka. That was silly. Seriously. That's, listen, those are your own issues that you should work out on your own time. I have worked through them and I'm defining clearly how I feel about about them but it's all gonna be okay this is the guy who's like all i want to do is make a safty brothers movie but hold on i need to go make wonka for

six months listen the kardashian child support payments are no joke did you see this rumor yeah it was it was debunked that she was pregnant but now she's not uh she she was not pregnant that was an edited photo. Okay. Do you think that he should be docked one spot on the list because of that rumor? I think that he should just be at number two. I think Zendaya is more famous than Timothee Chalamet, but that may not matter. Wonka made $700 million worldwide. She's in the Spider-Man movies.

Like, what are we talking about here? She's in three Spider-Man movies that have made like four billion dollars uh-huh he was the girlfriend in little women you know it happens it happens it's all right he was the girlfriend in ladybird that's true you gotta pay your dues i understand but then like he was i challenged timothy chalamet to make one challengers. I'm so hungry. Can we just decide? I've been very clear. The only reason I wanted to do this pod was to have this discussion. But we did. And this is probably what it's like.

I know it's not fun to be friends with me because, or to be in a relationship with me because I'm just like, I know what I think that it is and you can talk as much as you want. What you're describing is every listener's relationship to you. Where you're just like, why is she so decided on something that she hasn't explored? Explore it with me. Explore with me. I explored it on my own time.

Why won't Timothee Chalamet look me in the eye and say, Sean, I will do my own challengers. I ask him with sincerity in my heart. Maybe he will. Maybe A Complete Unknown will be wonderful. Maybe you'll cry through the whole movie. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I like James Mangold. I do too. I'm the only person on earth who's like, walk the line. I was moved by it. That's not true. The Academy felt the same way and gave out Oscar prizes for it. Sure. Reese Witherspoon, she won, right?

She did. Yeah, she was very good. Yeah. People are just watching that movie over and over again thinking about what a great actor she is all the time now. Why won't she make a movie? She's making TV now. She's got to like bail out the valuation

of Hello Sunshine or whatever. Okay, we're settled. So it's Zendaya at three. Mm-hmm. It's Timothee Chalamet at two. And it's Margot Robbie

at one. Yes. Margot Robbie's 33. Yeah. It's plausible that by Chalamet at two. Yeah. And it's Margot Robbie at one. Yes. Margot Robbie's 33. Yeah. It's plausible that by the next time we do this, she won't be 30. When's her birthday? Google it. Margot Robbie, July 2nd.

Oh. So she's about to be 34. Okay. So in all likelihood, if we wait another 18 months, she'll be off the list. And then it will be a showdown between Paul and Johnny. And every other actor featured in Dune. You think Austin Butler

will rise? Florence Pugh? I don't see that coming. Okay. For playing, what's her name, Yelena? Well, I mean,

she could do other things. It's not just what's happening in a Dune. Let's recap. It's Dune versus Euphoria. Plus Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Okay.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has Austin Butler, Sidney Sweeney, Margot Robbie, Margot Qualley. Margot Qualley. That's four.

I think that's it. Pretty good. Yeah. Good job. Let's recap. You're going to read them all? I think so. Okay.

35, Brie Larson. Okay. 34, Adria Arjona. 33, Hunter Schaefer. 32, Kaylee Spaney. 31, Aaron Taylor Johnson. 30, Josh O'Connor. 29, Kiki Palmer. 28, Jesse Buckley. 27, Dakota Johnson. 26, Mia Goff. 25, Rachel Zegler. 24, Ayo Adebri. 23, Margaret Qualley. 22, Daisy Edgar Jones. 21, Bill Skarsgård. 20, Jodie Comer. 19, Millie Bobby Brown. 18, Taylor Swift. 17, Lakeith Stanfield. 16, Dev Patel. 15, Saoirse Ronan. 14, Barak Yogan. 13,

Tom Holland. 12, Kristen Stewart. 11, Jenna Ortega. 10, Anya Taylor-Joy. 9, Paul Meskel. 8, Florence Pugh. 7, Jacob Elordi, six, Sidney Sweeney, five, Jennifer Lawrence, four, Austin Butler, three, Zendaya, two, Timothee Chalamet, one, Margot Robbie. Was this successful? Yeah. I feel like it was actually less argumentative than these can be. Okay. Until it becomes public and then everyone argues with the list. I don't listen to that. Okay. You know, once again, this is something that we do.

Okay. And we come to a consensus between these two people. And that is how podcasts work. Bob, what was the critical mistake made in the episode? You not doing that recap list in Bob Dylan voice. That's something I'd like to work on a little bit before we get to the complete unknown episode because I think I got it

I can do like all the have you ever seen James Austin Johnson on the Tonight Show doing the five eras of Bob Dylan's voice I believe I have it's one of the best things I've ever seen yeah it's you've never seen it can we end this podcast now please

Amanda needs a sandwich I have a sandwich I'm just waiting to be released from this prison of you being like, did you ever see a late night clip about Bob Dylan's voice over time?

Bob Dylan pod coming soon? When the time comes, I will be there and I will be ready. Hey, Mrs. Tambourine Woman featuring Amanda Dobbins.

I think you guys got it exactly right. No one is going to have any opinion about changing any of these spots because it's perfect. Thanks, Bob. All lists that you make. Thank you. Great work, everybody. No one is going to have any opinion about changing any of these spots because it's perfect. Thanks, Bob. All lists that you make.

Thank you. Great work, everybody. Thanks, Jack. Thanks, Alea. Thanks to Bobby Wagner for his work on this episode. More movie stars later this week. Old movie stars. Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt.

They are older than you? Yes. Barely. Yes, but they are. We'll be talking about the fall guy. We'll see you then.