The Big Picture - The 2024 Oscars Mailbag and a Way-Too-Early Look at 2025 Best Picture

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

Sean and Amanda are joined by Joanna Robinson to briefly discuss ‘Dune: Part Two’ and other way-too-early contenders for the 2025 Oscars (1:00). Then, they open the mailbag to answer your questions about ‘Oppenheimer,’ Emma Stone, Lily Gladstone, ‘Rango,’ Bradley Cooper, ‘The Holdovers,’ and more (37:00). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Joanna Robinson Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the prestige TV podcast live and direct from South by Southwest in Austin, Texas. We're joined by our pal Joanna Robinson. Hi, Jo. Oh, hi. I had a wild Oscar viewing experience this year. I was in a packed bar full of people just like screaming their heads off for Ryan Gosling and the rest. That sounds really not fun.

Do people respect the talking and the speeches? Like everyone gets quiet and then, okay okay that was not my experience last year I was in the wrong bar I was in the wrong bar last year where like not everyone was paying attention and the sound quality was bad we picked a different bar this year it was a dedicated Oscar party bar and they turned down the volume at the commercials and there were like raffles and trivia questions and stuff like that. And then they turned the volume back up and I heard everything. Did you win anything in the raffle? I won zero.

No, actually, that's not true. Well, I didn't win, but my friend won an inflatable Michelob cooler that will fit in my suitcase. So it will be coming home with me. But I have yet to discover. We haven't inflated yet. I don't know how obscenely large this cooler is. And I can't wait to find out when I get home. Joanna, no free ads on this podcast unless it's an $800 teacup for Amanda,

in which case there have been several free ads. A generic beer brand cooler. $250. And, you know. Have you received it yet? Mother's Day is in May. Okay. Well, all the Gen Z babies can get it for you.

We won't be getting it for you here on the show. Joanna, you're here, of course, because you, in addition to being a host of, I don't know, nerd culture pods, TV pods, you're also an avid watcher of films. Why do you got to put her in a box like that? Well, I'm expanding the purview. I mean, she's covered the Oscars many years at Vanity Fair. She's joined us on this show many times, but we didn't actually get to talk too much about the races this year. So I wanted to have you join us as well. And also because I think there's a critical film that may be a part of the 2025 Oscars discourse. So I want to get ahead of that a little bit today. We do have a mailbag.

We'll get into the mailbag. Before that, I did mention to you guys before we started a little bit of an eat crow pod for me today because the Oscars ratings came out. A hobby horse of mine for many years, sadly. One of the most pathetic things about my life is my interest in the Oscars ratings. They were up. They were up this year. They were up 4%. I think I said at one point during the pod, maybe 27 million. I think you said 28. So that did not happen. There are a variety of reasons for that. I think Matt Bellany has been tracking this very wisely that, you know, the show is not

available via streaming. There was some concern about daylight savings time. They started the show at 7 p.m. Eastern this year. And also, nobody watches linear television. And also the ratings in the 18 to 49 demo were down and young people, Gen Z in fact, don't care. They do not care very much. Now the show did get up to 21 and a half million for the final half an hour to see the final award, which I thought was notable. However, a little bit of a death blow for my

nominate and award the biggest movies theory that's been going on for years. I wonder if we just missed, like, I wonder if it's just, we're just in a new phase, a new era that that no longer applies. And I have to be comfortable. Correct. Yeah, is that right? Yes. As I have said to you many times. Just don't be ungenerous.

On this podcast. No, I will say, I do think it was a weird day. Daylight savings plus the time shift. I have a Gen Z anecdote, which is my friend Izzy. Hi, Izzy. Showed up to her Oscar party at 3.45, ready to watch the Oscars. And the hosts were like, what are you doing here? It doesn't start till 6 p.m. Because they thought pushed back an hour, men an hour later.

So, you know, that's what's up with Gen Z. Okay. Love to them. I mean, one more reason to, frankly, to get Joanna in studio for future episodes like this, but also so that I can attend

South by Southwest, which is just, let's have the Oscars in February so that we don't have to worry about daylight savings time. Please. And South by would appreciate that as well.

Yeah, I kind of want to split the difference and say I kind of agree with Sean's theory in that I do think more people are talking about the Oscars. Like whether or not people were watching it and there's just like a certain mass, critical mass of ratings that we kind of have to give up on, you know, in 2024. But in terms of clips circulating, people being excited about wins, etc. I do think Oppenheimer winning or Robert Downey Jr. winning after, you know, his illustrious career or, you know, all the Barbie moments, like all of that stuff. I think it helps the the authors feel like they matter. And that to me is almost as important as the ratings question yeah my own wife actually just watched clips on YouTube of the show she did not watch the telecast and when I got home she was just on the Oscars YouTube page right and you know what she was clocking really was she's a fan of the Billie Eilish song and she also was

out on I'm Just Ken so I was sharing with her some of your point of view about this yeah uh and then we started looking at the data which is to say how many views each song had and when we looked at it the what was I made for I know had like 10x yeah I'm Just Ken views which I was stunned by the children are lost in the wilderness they don't know what time the oscars start and they just turn on their youtube and they play it over and over again while they sit in their room watching tiktok and not the oscars okay well shame on them shame on them for failing me after all these years of my my service oscars but oscars clips on tiktok yeah that's the thing we just like it's it's the

linear tv thing it's your old school, you know, as Brian Curtis often tweets about, you know, whatever sports game ratings will not meaningfully affect your life. And I guess this sort of does affect your life, Sean, but... It doesn't anymore. I mean, this is... I got

confirmation. We gotta let go. It's not broadcast anymore. People are watching in clips and after the fact, and they should figure out how to monetize that. So that's actually the thing. That's my one last thing about this is trying to figure out what the future solution is for this, because I don't think we got any data about the SAG Awards on Netflix, but I think what you want is you want both. You want the optionality to be able to view a show like this on a platform where a younger viewer is more likely to go because they just don't have linear TV or they don't think to

put it on. And you also want to be able to serve the 39 to 97 year olds who are used to just flipping on ABC at a certain time or not at a certain time and watching the show that way and find a way to make both of those things profitable for award shows and things like this to continue i don't know if they're going to figure that out it's been flummoxing major corporations that have entertainment services for the last 10 years and the streaming wars are now in this state of disrepair in part because nobody knows how to make money on this stuff anymore so they broke it they broke the oscars i'm not happy about it but movies are

back so we're gonna go forward uh joanna any other what what were your big thoughts about the telecast in general did you like it what was the most fun thing you saw i loved it i thought that was the best oscars you've had in a long time um i think and i i think i agree with you guys on this point the bringing back like all the former winners to present it was just one of their best moves i thought because like i mean if you're not going to get gen z or the vaguely interested let's say to make it less generational to watch your show then what we've always been saying is like then really dig in to pitching this towards people who love movies and people who love movies, love watching these former actors.

Like when, uh, whoever I was sitting next to when they, I hadn't paid attention to which former winners they were getting to present the awards and, uh, in advance of the ceremony. And so when the sort of screens came down highlighting who was coming out and

I saw that Nicholas Cage was coming out, I just started like smacking the person next to me. I was like, they got Cage. I'm about to have such a good time. And I did because I think Nicolas Cage presenting to Paul Giamatti, well, Paul Giamatti just smirked and then laugh. But first smirked, like what is going on here? That was the highlight of the ceremony for me. I mean, that is just like, I'm Just Ken was a beautiful extravaganza and I loved it. And it was only slightly below Paul Giamatti smirking at Nicolas Cage doing whatever he was doing in that moment. So we've been asking for that segment to come back for a long time. I always loved it. And the only thing that was missing in terms of things that I begged for are montages. We didn't have, like, the celebratory montages. I love a montage.

I could have stood for those. But, yeah, I really thought this was a really successful ceremony. What would you have celebrated in your montages this year? Give me some themes. Explosions in honor of Oppenheimer. Let's just go through the years of movie explosions. Great ones. Absolutely. Just imagine the White House getting blown up from Independence Day during the Oscars.

You know, who says no? Not me. Just keep blowing up the White House. I mean, it happened to many a time until it didn't. You know, and then we moved over to the Golden Gate Bridge getting blown up a bunch. Yeah, I don't know. What would you highlight, Amanda? I guess you could do dream ballets as well.

You could have led into I Just Can with that. Yeah, of course I would have loved that. What about underwritten supporting parts for females in a story about a great man? Angry Wives. That would have been an incredible. Angry Wives. The Angry Wives. Bringing in the sheets.

Yeah. Laundry and movies. Come on. Yeah. How about just like a montage of all the women who have won Oscars for that role?

Sure. Just make Emily Blunt be like, I thought this was guaranteed for me. Yeah. Let's exhume Beatrice Strait

and let her speak directly to Emily Blunt's nomination. That would have been beautiful. What is Jennifer Connelly doing? Can I submit adding 20 pounds of muscle for a role? As a montage of guys and gals who have added 20 pounds of muscle for a role. I love it. Unfortunately, Zac Efron was not represented at the Academy Awards on Sunday night.

Sadly. He was too busy re-watching his work in Ricky Stanecki. Any other... What wins did you like? Were there any... anything surprised you? Emma, I mean, Emma Stone. I was like, I was along with everyone very certain that Lily was going to get it. Even though I know that it was like in the air, that it could have swung the other way.

And in terms of like best speeches, I was trying to think about like which speech, there weren't any speeches that moved me emotionally the way that a lot of them did last year I think just a lot of these winners were out of gas having you know won so many awards previously like Downey gave some great speeches earlier in the season and I thought

this speech was fine but I thought Emma Stone for the work she had to do to not seem like the villain of that moment, I think she did an incredible job. Like the two-pronged, you know, sort of dedicating it to the other women in her category and especially gesturing to Lily in that moment. Talking about the conversation you had with Yorgos about how this woman wasn't about her. It was about the whole film. It was representative of the whole film.

And then just the whole, like, my dress is broken, like, aspect, which I'm sure was both true, but also sort of pitches her as this, like, I don't know what's happening sort of figure. That I think, I thought that was a masterclass. I thought that was incredible. Yeah. She's really good at what she does. Yeah. Is it studied or is it natural? I think it's, I think it was incredible. Yeah. She's really good at what she does. Yeah. Is it studied or is it natural?

I think it's, I think it is natural. I think it is part of her like skill set. It is part of the package. She's also an amazing actor, but she is, she's very funny. She has great comedic timing, like both in films and just in the world. And she just is savvy. honestly just like seems like someone you would want to spend time with, you know, and you know, like maybe she is, maybe it's as simple as that, like a rare good one came through. But I do think that it is part of what makes her a good

movie star. I think it's leaning in something that's natural to her, but leaning into her because she knows it's effective. Yeah. As part of her charm. It's like a podcast host, you know? You just got to amp it up just a little bit. Whatever is most natural about you. Know your bits. Know your bits, you know?

What do you think of the John Mulaney is auditioning for host next year discourse? I mean, I loved that bit. And so at the bar with me is Mallory Rubin. And Mallory Rubin and I were just sort of like muttering things along with him. We're like, yes, Moonlight Graham. Yes, yes, the hot dog. Yes, yes, Gabby Hoffman. Yes.

So I loved that bit. What an elder millennial bingo card that whole bit was. Unbelievable. It really was. If you had Timothy Bussville on your Oscar bingo card, I salute you. I mean, it's essentially his fugitive bit from one of his shows like from several years ago but i love that bit so i wasn't mad about it um i thought it was perfect do i want millennia's host uh you know i'm not sure because i i think he's so funny but i think we've fallen to a trap of previous years of, I think the hosts should make themselves kind of invisible, which is what Kimmel does so well.

He's so good and he's such a sure hand, but he just sort of blends into the background and makes the show about the show and not about him versus, let's say, like Ellen, like sort of frantically trying to make the show, the Ellen show in a certain degree. So I think, I don't think Mulaney would be able to disappear the way that I kind of like a Billy. I think the reason Billy Crystal and Kimmel are effective are they just sort of like, they're all reliable, but not trying to make the narrative about them at the end of the day. I thought about this too. I really like Mulaney as a comedian quite a bit.

And I always have since I first saw him. But there is a, aren't I cute, aspect to his comedy that is essential when you're a solo performer. But when you're in this context, it's a little different. And Kimmel is a classical broadcaster. That's not necessarily always the role of the Oscar host. You know, Bob Hope was a movie star and,

and a vaudevillian before that. And obviously Billy Crystal was a movie star too, you know, so you can, you can be both. John Moline is kind of none of those things, you know, he's,

he's not a movie star. He's not really a, you know, somebody who's hosted a TV show before. He's just a great stand-up. And I'm not sure if that would... I honestly don't know. You know, we have the Governor's Award sample, which was two notches down in the... Non-televised event.

Sure, but... And he was speaking to each nominee. Yeah, exactly. So we have evidence that he can adjust it a little bit. He was doing a bit, you know, because that was his job. He shows up and does the job. The other thing, the children love John Mulaney. That's the reason to do it.

So that is the reason to do it. If you, you know, want to try to get the next generation invested in the actual show as opposed to the clips or have them watch more clips. It'd be an interesting test of that concept of how much would younger audiences show up for a more familiar face. You know, Jimmy Kimmel is not a brand to 22-year-old cinephiles. So I don't know if it'll happen. I don't know if it really matters.

I think Kimmel did a great job on Sunday. It might have been his best job that he did, even though he kind of saved that La La Land Moonlight moment, which was incredibly a scary degree the winners in every key category, which I thought was quite interesting. I think there are some reasons for that. There were a preponderance of more British-leaning or European films that were in play this year. Obviously, Oppenheimer from a British-American filmmaker, but you've also got Jonathan Glazer in the zone of interest. You've got Yorgos in Poor Things, which leans very British, even though he's a Greek filmmaker. But that was fascinating this year. I mean, I think like, I mean, they got The Boy and the Heron. They got 20 Days of Mariupol. They matched

on like even categories on down the line. Screenplay. The screenplay, the American Fiction win, which kind of indicated cleanly that Cord was going to win that category. So they matched on zero of the six major categories last year and on, I think, 11 or 12 of 12 in the majors this year. So now I don't know what to think about the BAFTAs and what they mean. It might just be year by year because there are some years where, like Lily Gladstone, for example, was not even nominated at the BAFTAs this year. So it was hard to take that category seriously from my perspective. So I'm not sure.

Their nominations process is still so unique and, frankly, confusing that it's really hard to invest in them in terms of nominations predictions. Now, if it happens that their committee aligns with the Oscar, then I think the voting bases are still representative enough and maybe a little more, quote unquote, international or not American focused to be an indicator. But I'll just never understand their committees. Yeah, I don't like the committee thing. a number of reasons um genre uh they have a naughty history with uh you know race uh at the baftas so i think the oppenheimer being a very white as you say british um production makes sense that there was that um historically i thought it was fascinating that they've owned the baftas has matched the academy awards only twice in the last 10 years on Best Picture. Just twice. So for all of the predictiveness of this year, it's historically very, very different. In part, I think because

of what you're describing, this is the group that has never nominated Denzel Washington. And they're making efforts to change that, but also not succeeding at that at the same time, because they also did not nominate Lily Gladstone. So it's a curious thing. We'll keep an eye on it. Do you want to cover the BAFTAs much more closely next year? I'd love to attend. Would you? Yeah. And maybe Kate Middleton will be back. Okay. Would you bring her as your date?

Yeah. Okay. Interesting. What if it's an AI-generated Kate Middleton? They released the metadata and it was- Do you believe? I think we did a whole jam session about this. And I think that there are a lot of PR and publicity questions to be asked of the Kensington Powell staff.

I think she's okay. I don't think it was AI. I think the Vogue cover theory is absolutely preposterous. And people like conspiracy theorists on the internet need to respect themselves and us. You know, like we may have gone too far with that. But she's welcome as my date. All right. Good to know.

Let's talk a little bit about 2025 Oscars before we get into the mailbag. Now, really the only movie that we've seen that is going to be competing might be the most important movie that is competing, which is Dune Part 2. There have been roughly 18 episodes on the Ringiverse about Dune Part 2. There have been roughly 18 episodes on the Ring of Verse about Dune Part 2. There's been one episode on the big picture. It is a masterful film from a masterful filmmaker. Jo, you liked it? Loved it. It's pretty sick.

Loved it. My favorite thing coming in, because I got to watch it with you guys, my favorite thing in the lobby is when you asked me, you're like, did you like it, Jo? And I was like, I did. And you were like, isn't it great when we can all just agree on a thing? I agree. I love to love things and I love that we all love it. Yeah, the Dune 2 narrative is so interesting because we have a question later perhaps about the what if of if Dune 2 had been in the oscar race this year and that's i think a really interesting thing to think about but my theory has been they're going to hold off on giving dune the top prizes until the third one's done the return of

the king approach to awarding um a franchise trilogy Though, certainly in the technical categories, it's going to be a heavy hitter. But that's sort of where I am on Doom Part 2. I don't anticipate. There's the coupling of it's coming out so early in the year and they know he's making a third one. That makes me think that they might hold off and give it all to him at the end of the trilogy.

What do you think? Well, what do you think about that? I think that they might hold off and give it all to him at the end of the trilogy. What do you think? Well, what do you think about that? I think that's smart. I hadn't connected it to The Return of the King, but I do agree with Joe that I think it'll have a lot of success in below-the-line categories and probably won't take home Best Picture, just because the Academy are still just snobs about genre and about sci-fi i mean christopher nolan finally won when he made like a biopic about you know

quote unquote i mean not quote unquote that certainly they are important ideas but he made what the academy is a quote unquote important film as opposed to um a sci-fi spectacular. So, you know, we've come a long way. We have not come that far. Um, and I, I mean, I'd be curious whether part three wins just because I heard that, well,

I read some Wikipedia pages. Sean doesn't want to know what happens in part three. Um, I heard you and you and Chris went on some deep dives. Yeah. Some Wikipedia pages. And I'm curious whether there will be as much spectacle. Yeah.

So this is my theory about this. Not knowing, just knowing basically what you all have shared with me, which is that things get quite weird and the storytelling is unusual and some of it goes into the future. It's not that weird in book three but maybe it does what it doesn't have maybe is that sense that return of the jedi return of the king sense of kind of grandeur and finality at the end of a trilogy and obviously the difference between this trilogy and and the lord of the rings trilogy is that the three films were announced and promoted together at the outset and that wasn't the case here in fact i think most common moviegoers up until until many people had seen it, were expecting the two might somehow be the cap on the story.

I think Christopher Nolan kind of gave the game away a little bit when he gave an interview with Denis when he said that this was the Empire Strikes Back of this generation, which indicated to audiences, like, this isn't the end of the story. A year ago, I think I thought it was going to be the end of the story. But aren't you glad that Christopher Nolan's off on the ground? Because when you thought part one was just Dune? I just have a lot of problems.

You know, like I'm insane. I don't know what to say. My expectations are unreasonable. And I always appreciate Christopher Nolan these days, as you know. But I wonder if three is more weird or less emotionally satisfying. If they'll, I think it might be more emotional. Okay.

It is. Yeah. It's going to be more emotional, but I think to your, like you're, you're not incorrect, Amanda and Chris and absentia for your perception from the Wikipedia deep dive. But I think because of all the things he has changed already,

he's kind of locked himself out of directly adapting the third book because he's made such monumental changes. And so I think the third installment is going to be the most different from the books. And he has no interest in any of the books beyond the second book, which would be his third film, because then it gets truly bonkers and he's like, that's not really the story I want to tell. So I think, and it will be very emotional. I mean, can I just say the words

human sandworm to you? I'm aware of that. But that's later. But that's way later. That's not in book three. But I love looking at the subtitles of all the, you know, the fifth, sixth, seventh books.

They're all like, dune colon mega fuck God. You know, they're all so weird. And anyway, I think Dune part two is a very worthy contender. Obviously it was nominated for best picture. Villeneuve was not nominated for director back in 2021. The film won six below the line Oscars in 2021. So would it just be a repeat of that? Is there any, do you think there's any case for acting awards? It's hard to say. We're so early in the game, but also this feels like it's going to be one of the three or four biggest movies of the year that also is critically acclaimed. But it's also up against another Mad Max movie, which took all the below the line awards during

its first year. Now, I don't know if Furiosa is going to be the phenomenon that Mad Max Fury Road was. Obviously people, the reactions to the trailer have been mixed, but I also don't think anyone thought the first film was going to do what it did. So, you know,

it doom, doom, like doom part two up against Oppenheimer feels similar to doom part two up against Furiosa in theoretically in that I could see it just not being like a clean sweep the way Oppenheimer was a clean sweep this year. Acting awards? I don't know. Bardem.

Bardem. He could compete. I don't think he'll win, but listen. I would do Ferguson, honestly, in supporting. I would enjoy that. I would love to spend 12 months in supporting. I would enjoy that. I would love to spend 12 months with Rebecca Ferguson on the awards campaign. That would be fantastic.

Delightful. The quick clip. It's the best thing going right now. Oh, the popcorn bucket? No, no. The popcorn bucket? No, there's a quick moment in Dune Part 2 where Bardem witnesses something that has just happened that Chalamet's character has done and he turns and looks

at Brolin and says very, very quickly. And it's one and a half seconds and just posting that video on social media connected to pretty much anything is pure comedy right now. I hope they get nominated.

You know, it's unusual. I want to say, am I crazy? Was Alec Guinness nominated for Star Wars? I feel like he was. He was. Alec Guinness was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for playing Obi-Wan Kenobi.

And there is a history of acting nominations in genre films for grand old men, effectively. I'm not sure if we have a true one-to-one is javier bardem in his grand old man it's more his skyfall face yeah yeah it's hamming it up a little bit exactly in such a fun way i'm not sure if i see christopher walken would be the old man you would yeah i don't think he's i don't i don't know that yeah no not it i love what christopher walken brought to the game but i don't know that the world wanted what he had to offer. That's my take on Walken.

So I made this list of 38 movies. We don't have to name all these movies, obviously, that are potentially Oscar films. I'm sure there will be others. You know, I noted yesterday, Anatomy of a Fall is a movie that not very many people outside of France had heard of at this time last year. The big one that is coming that we've been discussing a little bit is Megalopolis,

which is the next and maybe final film from Francis Ford Coppola, a film he's been working towards for decades. It's kind of impossible to know whether this is an awards movie or not. You could see the campaign in your mind, but having not seen the film... I mean, it could go many different ways you know it could it could be are you holding space for it i i don't hold space for anything what wow other people are doing that work you know into your mind yeah it's always fascinating um are you holding any space for it, Joanna? Yeah, absolutely. Any other movies on here you look at and you think... For best picture?

This is definitely going best picture. I almost wonder if this is one of those small movie years. That's what I'm thinking too. It really feels like a movie we don't even see coming. I mean, even despite Yorgos' involvement, I don't remember Poor things being in like an early conversation thing either

it seemed like such an oddity I don't remember it being in the main conversation I think there's something interesting though about movies like

Zone of Interest and Poor Things and Boy and the Heron also just winning winning awards you know we talked about this

a little bit in the aftermath of Parasite know, we talked about this a little bit in the aftermath of The Parasite and then I kind of got a little grouchy about it when Coda won and then Everything Everywhere All At Once

won and I'm like, I don't know, they award stuff that they never would have awarded 15, 20 years ago. So I think I have put here

a series of like largely prestigious seeming movies, give or take your Joker, Fully Ado or Furiosa kind of

movie. But maybe those are not the movies that we should be looking at as closely. Maybe we should be looking at, I saw the TV glow. Maybe we should be looking at Inside Out 2. The one that is really interesting to me, I'm quite curious about how this film is received when it comes out in six weeks as Challengers. I think there's a Challengers question in our mailbag. I don't want to give away any of my thoughts about challengers but i i wonder i wonder i'm i'm i it was supposed to come out in the fall it was supposed to be the debut at the venice film festival that's right sadly for you i was it was taken from you it was taken oh ripped from your fingers i'm so sorry i'm seeing

it thursday so okay and and sean seen it, but he's playing coy. Correct. Is that the status there? You haven't seen it, right, Joanna? Uh-uh, not yet. I'm quite curious. We'll discuss more soon. Okay.

Any other films? Amanda, what jumps out to you on this list? Anything notable? Did I get Blitz in the movie auction? I think I didn't buy it back and then spent more money in the movie auction, but ultimately did get it. That's the Steve McQueen, Saoirse Ronan, Harris Dickinson. World War II film.

World War II. You know, the Academy does not have a great history of, I mean, I guess they recognized 12 Years a Slave, but then just ignored Widows. Ignored, what was the collection of short films called? Small Axe. Small Axe, yeah. Well, they're technically not eligible. Listen, okay. They ignored Shame.

Shame. Yeah. You know, Fassbender, Flexing, in more ways than one. Putting it all out there. Yeah. You know, and this is being released by Apple, so that's always interesting. Yeah, we'll see with that one. Yeah.

It was reported in a list, I think, on deadline of potential Cannes films that it was not in that list, so people surmised that it's not going to be at Cannes. That's the thing, is there's probably going to be something, at least one thing coming out of Cannes we don't know about that is going to be strong here. You know, Sing Sing, the new A24 Coleman Domingo movie, the trailer for that just came out last week. There's obviously a lot of admiration for Coleman Domingo right now. It's the kind of story about a man who is helping put on Shakespeare inside of a prison. It feels like Beatty. But again, I don't know if that stuff means what it used to mean.

Sing Sing was like a nice smashola at TIFF, but it really is buzzing around South by right now. Cause it aired here, uh, screened here. And, the number one thing I've heard from people, the consensus is Coleman Domingo is going to get nominated for Sing Sing and could even wing,

win off Sing Sing. And that would be an interesting, like nominated this year, wins next year. That would be an interesting, keep him at the parties, keep him on the campaign. Keep him on the campaign. Let him do more Vanity Fair videos with Pedro Pascal.

Please, all of them. I mean, did you see any of that stuff? I did see some of it, yes. I just, absolute gold. You can really see the Euphoria Season 3 Q1 2025 dovetailing with the Oscar campaign where he wins. Kind of like Coleman D domingo is here now thing on the on the horizon right yeah they just got to finish those scripts for euphoria season yeah have you been working on those you know me yeah we've got some incredible insights into our

young people these days gladiator 2 we'll see sure okay you know what i was struck watching the oscars and just remind like napoleon was there and like half the the below the line categories it was yeah yeah and yet it felt like it didn't exist right but listen ridley ridley spends the money uh if not the time and has attention. He spends time in his van directing the movies from the van. You know, he's just trying to stay safe. I understand. He's got this incredible fleet of people who've been working for him for 20 years.

Sometimes the movies work, sometimes they don't. Gladiator 2, I'm open-minded. Yeah, it's an unusual setup. I'm going to flag one thing. This is just a shot in the dark. I'm just calling a shot. There's a movie that is meant to come out this year

that is called The Apprentice, directed by Ali Abassi, that is starring Sebastian Stan, in which he is playing Donald Trump. And I'm just flagging it for the room right now. I hate that for all of us, first of all. Just want to put that out there. Just think about the fall festivals. Think about election season. Think about how much they love a prosthetic.

Yeah. Maniacs. Yeah. A transformation for Sebastian. Just think about it. You know, I think Maria Bakalova is in that film as well. I think she's playing Ivanka. Is that right?

Wow. Yeah. Okay. Wait, she's playing Ivanka is that right wow yeah okay wait she's playing ivanka which means he's playing like old donald well it's the apprentice it's the apprentice excuse me i think it's ivana oh okay i think she's playing ivana okay that makes more sense on the scene by the time of the apprentice i think it may just be a clever title. Again, I don't know very much about this. Okay, got it. But I'm just, I'm holding space for The Apprentice.

Okay, wow. Ali Abassi's last movie, Holy Spider. Interesting film. Serial killer movie. Clearly very influenced by David Fincher. You know Barry Jenkins has a movie coming out this summer? Yeah, Mufasa. Mufasa.

How are you guys doing with Mufasa in your household? Lion King is running shit. Yeah, but who is the favorite character in the home? Scar. Yeah. Scar. Right. And you have a Mufasa doll that Alice calls Scar.

That's correct. Yeah. It's very complicated. Listen, I too love Jeremy Irons. Well, she's very drawn to the villains of these films. Okay. And I don't know what that means for her long-term safety and health but i want to support her taste okay i want her to find things that she cares about will she reject the film mufasa colon the lion king because it's about her not favorite probably not okay i think

she'll probably want to check it out okay juror number two back yeah can i circle back to the apprentice because i just have a little bit more information, right? This is 70s and 80s Trump is what we're doing here. Okay, so that is Ivanka territory. Jeremy Strong is playing Roy Cohn. Hell yeah. Hell yes. And as Fred Trump, Donald Trump's, Martin Donovan of Mission Impossible.

Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. I need to lie down. There we go. Solo pod for me? Just you. I can't wait.

Why don't you and Hillary do it after you host the Oscars? That sounds good. Yeah. Should Hillary host the Oscars? With you. Wasn't that the joke? What were you guys? Oh, no.

You were going to host a screening of something. And torture me. I've been getting a lot of suggestions about our screening. I have some off the mic feedback for you about those. Good thing it doesn't matter because you lost.

Okay. Should we do some mailbag questions? Let's do it. Okay, Wax. First question comes from Siva. In the Oscars preview pod,

when you estimated a four-hour show because it's starting at seven and you said, what else would ABC do before local news at 11? Air an episode of Abbott Elementary at 10.30? That would be weird.

Did you actually not know or was it a giant coincidence? I didn't know. You had no idea. I had no idea. I guess I have a future in television programming. Wow. And a bright future because ratings are up. That's right. And linear TVs. I'm happy to announce that I have the new linear TVs are.

And we're seeing great news ahead. No, of course it makes sense. It's very similar to the Super Bowl when the Super Bowl would air a show afterwards. It seemed like that the Abbott Elementary episode, which featured Bradley Cooper, actually. I did see that. Yeah. Did a good rating as well. Listen, my guy keeps working, keeps trying.

He definitely is trying. Yeah. He's trying. I love him very much. Him with his mom was pure Philadelphia excellence. I was so happy to see them there. You know, that made me really feel at home. Her sunglasses inside.

Great. Yeah, she rules. Great vibes. How much do you think she gets paid by T-Mobile for those commercials? Do you think he negotiated like an equal rate for him and for her? Sean is the linear TV man on the podcast. What do you think?

Yeah, let me just consult my spreadsheet on this issue. Looks like roughly $300 million was her fee. So maybe that's why our business isn't down the tubes. All right. The real first question

comes from Lucky and about 35 other people at least. Do you think Dune 2 would have put a dent into Oppenheimer's seven wins if it hadn't been postponed? I mean, let's go through them. Oppenheimer did not win a visual effects.

It was not even nominated. So that... Because everything, I don't know if Nolan told you, but everything in that movie was real. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Production design went to poor things. So what did Oppenheimer went cinematography no i don't think it would have i don't think dune 2 would have taken it away i agree also greg fraser won

in 2021 for dune yeah yeah uh score no i don't think that han zimmer would have taken it away even though everybody loves a Hans Zimmer. Editing? I hope not, because I want Jennifer Lame to be my new best friend. And I'm trying to recruit more friends with Oscars. Yes. But also, yeah,

but also I do think that the editing of Oppenheimer is like one of the most exciting things about it. Okay. So those are three of the below the line. What else am I missing below the line? I think that's it for Oppenheimer, because it won film, director, best actor, So those are three of the below the line. What else am I missing below the line? I think that's it for Oppenheimer because it won film director, best actor, and best supporting actor. And so, you know, unless you think it was competing, unless you think Denis is going to be competing and taking Christopher Nolan's moment away, or you think it's going to win best picture. I agree.

I don't really think it would have put a dent in any of those wins. Now, would it have put a dent in some of poor things as wins? Would it have challenged in costume? Would it have challenged in production design, makeup and hairstyling? I think all of those are on the table. That would have been

interesting to see. What would it have meant for a Bardem figure to have been in the supporting actor role? I don't know. I'm not sure. Probably nothing

to the RDJ machine that just rolled through that award season. But I don't think it really would have posed the threat for Best Picture at all. And I think it worked out for the best for everybody. You don't think Hansi Zimmer, my guy, would have been competitive in that category? I mean, maybe, but they love Ludwig now, you know?

Yeah, they do. I think he also had just a great story to tell with that. Because the movie, the Can You Hear the Music moment, is such an easy way to sell the excellence of the score. And Ludwig had that great story about basically his wife, who's a violinist, being at the center of the kind of critical composition of the movie. Also, he's just like a very nice guy. And Hans is like a huge figure in movies, but he's been awarded many times. And we know that story.

And I think that there, there's a lot of warmth towards Ludwig is something that is, was apparent to me during this season. So I, I don't think it would have did win for the first one. He did. He did for score. Yeah.

So, and that's maybe, maybe, maybe also they'd be like, there isn't enough new score and Dune two to take us there though. I think the love theme in Dune 2 is award worthy and i will be personally campaigning for han zimmer and his team the whole team of composers that work for han zimmer uh this award that's i mean that's the other unspoken thing of course han zimmer is

brilliant but he employs a very large faction of yes instrumentalists and composers who help him execute on these massive stories what's's your favorite Hans Zimmer score? You're just out here assassinating our musical legends in the score space. I don't think I merely am sharing information that is widely known. I know, but first John Williams, now Hans Zimmer. You're just, get him out of here. Well, we need new blood. What did the Oscars just tell us?

We need new blood. Get these oldsters out of here. Get this linear TV generation out of here, you let me get my tiktok composers out here i'm riding with all my gen z you know cinephiles all my my true homies check me out see you at the movies the good news for for hansi for hans zimmer is that for some inexplicable reason they played the pirates of the caribbean the Caribbean theme during the Oscars. So he was represented. That's good.

That's great. That was really weird. As you noted on Sunday, some curious walk-off choices from Ricky Miner. Okay. What's the next question, Bobby? The next question comes from Maddie. Which discourse are you most excited for the world to move on from post-Oscars? Amanda? I'll quote uh hunter harris um who is excited to never have to hear the billy eilish song again um me too okay

was there a discourse about that i feel like you were the engineer yeah right and now and now i've moved on i feel like billy was also a little done like singing the song. I mean, she, not like, her performance was amazing. She seemed actually quite emotional at the end of it, but in all her like red carpet convos that night she's like, it's been a long season. Here I am. And we

sure hope we're not nominated again next year. We don't want to be, so, you know. I think we should just give Bradleyadley cooper a break i think i agree let's just let let bradley cooper live for a little while that's what i think i didn't care for maestro but leave bradley alone that's what i think you know my take just put a gun in that guy's hand you know let him let him work for the fbi i agree that we need to leave him alone and let him keep cooking you know and let him keep cooking, you know, and let him keep plumbing the depths of his own psyche. He's kind of been giving this sense that he, while he loves

filmmaking and is a great filmmaker, like also weirdly kind of wants to host a talk show or something, you know, like he just, he likes just being out there. You know, there's like an addictive thing that happens when you're very present and you just want to be on all the time you see this with you know people who go on talk shows and become like well known for being on those talk shows in more modern times you see with podcast hosts people who can't stop hosting podcasts it feels like bradley's a little like hooked up to the machine right now and this has happened before. I find him tremendously awkward in those scenarios. Like his Actors on Actors with Emma Stone, I thought was one of the more awkward situations.

I think he loves to, he does love to turn on the machine though, in a way. You know, he is the exact opposite personality of who I'm going to mention, but I'm going to mention somebody right now. Charles Grodin was like this,

or Charles Grodin, who ultimately became a talk show host for CNBC. You know, he had a show where he basically just like opened up the Wall Street Journal every day. He's like, what the fuck's going on in here? You know, he had, I mean, Charles Grodin is my favorite person of all time, but you could tell that he was someone who's just like, I have some thoughts and I need them to be heard. And Bradley Cooper has that, but he's like, I have some thoughts and it's about how beautiful the world is or whatever

so I don't would it stun me if he was hosting a show on YouTube 10 years from now it wouldn't stun me I know he loves filmmaking

and loves films and he's been dreaming of this his whole life but he's got stuff to do on his you know he has diversified interests yeah

he's got to talk about the Saquon Barkley signing going to the Eagles you know that's what I'm saying we got to get him on the Philly special him and Sheil

I feel like he would have some thoughts he definitely would I agree Sean do you feel like a future show that you want to host is just you reading

the Wall Street Journal and commenting on the news of the day already exists anything that can get it's called JMO that's true but I just need to make sure

that it's JMO that show is on nine times a week by the way you can definitely subscribe bump those numbers up I just need to make sure that JMO includes

like the wrestling of the newspaper because I need that on the microphone as part of the whole bit it's complete Nicholas Fane you can't but then

he said you look at the story and you think to yourself wait I thought about this the other way. And the other way I want to think about it is, you know. That was really good. Thanks, yeah.

Nicholas Vane is one of the truest, like, East Coast, I know that guy so well, energies. That's just the guy at the deli. Like, I know that so well. Okay. Sean asks me to print the trending topics from Twitter on high quality printer paper before every single recording of JMO. It's the one that has that fine lacquer on it. You know, I want it to be like a thick stock. It's really important to me.

And I save every printed page and file them away. So my storage unit is just full of JMO content. I should auction that off. A tour of my storage area. Yeah, like over here is all the physical media. Over here are my CDs, which is a different all the physical media. Over here are my CDs, which is a different form of physical media.

What about all my movie posters? We haven't even talked about that. I've got probably like 150 movie posters. That's cool. You know, they're just sitting in storage. Just in tubes.

Some are in tubes, some are framed. You know, all varying sizes. One day when I open my museum, the Museum of Sean. Oh, the Museum of sean oh the museum of sean oh no okay let's do another question feeling very silly today guys next question comes from alejo would amanda rather a participate in the i'm just ken number or b hang out in the smoking section with

kiki and the anatomy of a fall crew. I'm sure you saw this picture. Yeah, obviously. So I feel really understood by this question and, you know, the range of interests that I have expressed on this pod. This is an easy one for me because I'm not a joiner. And I really, one of my great fears in life is audience participation. So I, I'm just kind of a delight. I have watched it at least five times. And then I've watched Martin Scorsese watching it like two more times.

But I wouldn't want to be in it. I just I like enjoying as a spectator. Meanwhile, I would spend the entire Oscars or really any occasion with Kiki and the Anatomy of a Fall crew in the smoking section. That sounds awesome to me. When's the last time you had a cig? A long time. I think really, well, I mean like ever. But would you?

But would you just to make sure that Kirsten Dunst thinks you're cool and you can act? Thinks that I'm cool? Yeah. It's a generous question, Joanna. Yeah. Probably not just because they do make me pretty nauseous right now,

but that's sad. But once upon a time, what a treat that was. Just ripping heaters? Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah. The year I went to the Oscars

was the parasite year, and it was, the soaking section was just the parasite crew. Also, that was like the heart and joy of the party. It was at the smoking section of the Oscars. Is that the idea that around the world it's okay to smoke, but in America we've completely demonized it? Yes.

If you come on in from France, if you come on in from South Korea, absolutely. Fire one up. No Zin pouches for the parasite crew. No. It feels so wrong to be having this conversation without Chris he's with us spiritually Chris told me yesterday that he made sure to not listen

to the big picture before recording his pod because he was worried about stealing takes so just want you to know our power is very strong over here these days wow your influence I know alright Bobby what's next Becca asks, when does the meeting for the Challengers Oscar campaign start? Well, Becca, I will be seeing it

at noon Pacific time. I don't know the specific standard Pacific daylight savings. People are in my mentions being like, you don't understand how clocks work. I got to tell you, the only thing worse than being an Oppenheimer nerd is being like, let me clock explain to you. Was this on Threads? I don't know. I was going to ask if it was on Threads. Of course it was on Threads. No, most, no. You know?

My Threads community is really supportive. Can I just say, at the Oscar party bar thing that I went to on Sunday night, Mallory and I were talking about Threads. And I was like, you know who's active on Threads? And in unison, three people at the table along with me said Amanda Dobbins. That's right. So there you go. Thank you. Here we are.

And I have heard from my people. And they're lovely. So no, it was not on threads. They know better than Cockpit. Anyway, Becca. Is this on your private Discord? So I hear the movie's about two hours long. So I'll be out around two.

I got to drive back across town. So we could do like a 4 p.m. on Thursday. Will you be driving directly to Janet Yang's home so you can tell her, ma'am? You're not going to be threading from your car? No. You don't like thread and drive? Listen, I was going to hold the meeting from my house. You know, that'll be headquarters. Well, now you've set your standards pretty high. I'm just going to say, I'm not sure if it's an Oscars film. I am not sure.

I am excited to talk about it. Sorry that the Oscars don't like tennis and sex and Rihanna. We don't know about that. We don't know about that.

That's on them. The thing that we are going to do after that movie comes out though is talk about something that I've been very excited about. I wanted to ask Joanna about this as well. Forgive my framing of this

but Anyone But You Bob Marley One Love, Dune Part Two, even I'm Just Ken to some extent, these are all basically under 40 movie star movies. These are people that we just didn't really know about 10 years ago, or if we did, we had a slightly different relationship to them. And that's really exciting. It was like a year ago when the study came out that people only know 60-year-old movie stars and that this is all dying. And we do the 35 under 35 rankings every other year. We're doing it this

year after Challengers. But you look at Sidney Sweeney hosting at SNL and doing a huge rating and they're being memed to death. You know, seeing clearly Glenn Powell and now leading into Hitman and Twisters. Seeing Jenna Ortega in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Even someone like Kingsley Ben-Adir who was in Barbie and then leading Bob Marley One Love. He absolutely crushed it on Sunday night.

And I'm just kidding. I was so pleased to see him giving his all. Yeah. Shooty, Scott, all the Kens justott all the kens really really wonderful amazing stuff i feel um what i was realizing there was just like paul meskel paul meskel and gladiator another perfect example absolutely i i this was a conversation i was having with someone here at the festival and i'm so sorry i can't remember who it was but they were like dune 2 makes me feel like movie stars movie stars are back yes and like that that um study coming out

last year is the capper of like i feel like ever since it was like jennifer lawrence is the last movie star is the narrative that i heard for years and years and years and so this idea that um that yeah that timmy and zendaya and florence and austin and all the rest of them sydney glenn etc movie stars being back is thrilling. And if you want to, if you want to link that to the death spiral of the MCU and, and like, and IPs grip on us or whatever you can,

but either way, I'm delighted. I think there is some, something to that though, that it's not the primary reason, but the other thing that I, that had clicked into place when I was watching the Oscars related to this, which is like, it's great. You know, we've got like Florence Pugh and she's in her 20s and she's a star.

But that Gosling and Margot Robbie and Michael B. Jordan and all of those actors who are like 40, 37 to 45, basically, are the new new forgive me for saying it in this way but like basically Meryl, Tom Hanks Denzel Washington are they as good as those people are they as successful as them maybe maybe not

that's not what I'm saying but that they exist in a frame of fame that allows for like a generation behind them to come up which is exciting I mean I don't know why

I care about the MCU of movie stars in my mind but like I do care I do think about that because that's what we grew up on and now I'm on know why I care about the MCU of movie stars in my mind, but I do care. I do think about that. Because that's what we grew up on. I just want you to know that Margot Robbie is 33 years old. Is she? Yeah. This has been

a debate since she broke out of how old is she, really. But I choose to believe Margot. Did you guys see Pan Am, the ABC television show? I sure did. I have. She was wonderful in that show. my homie Kelly Garner. Yeah, great stuff. No, I think it's phenomenal.

And if, like, you know, to piggyback off of Cord, Jefferson's great speech, congratulations, Cord, amazing. Like, to piggyback off of that, that longing we all have for more slightly smaller or massively smaller movies, I'm not saying anything anyone doesn't already know, but like that kicks the door open for so many other things. And that thrills me. That makes me really happy. Sierra and I have had a quiet running joke about how what the big picture really needs is a two hour conversation between he and I strictly about Sidney Sweeney that like, there's like honestly a huge audience for just the full-blown exploration because there's also like i we haven't had a young famous person like this in a while yes there's been a lot of discourse

about her body and the way that she's presenting and that's not exactly what i mean but a kind of like self-aware bombshell right is please don't have a two-hour conversation about sydney sweetie's body on mike i won't certainly i would so appreciate it. No, but that's not specifically what I mean. Like, I think, like, what she represents is really funny. Like, it sent, like,

internet column writers that slayed into a tizzy in the last couple weeks because people were like, what do I do with this thing that is so 1994 or 1964 coded in this time of, like, you know,

much more modern thinking about sexuality and femininity. But it's just like no people like hot people and they want to see hot people in movies and on tv and it's not it's sometimes it's actually not that complicated and or distressing yeah i'm fine with it too no but wasn't that i mean wasn't it scar joe's thing like i don't think it's that old of a thing wasn't that what scarlett johansson she she was that and she didn't represent that hers is a little more complicated though because she was a child actor so there was this like

transformational you remember she's like the horse whisperer yeah yeah yeah so the sydney sweeney thing is i think for a lot of people especially people who didn't watch euphoria there was just a little bit like where did this lady come from thing going on and i find it very amusing whether or not she's like actually to be Julia Roberts, I doubt it. But it's funny right now. Amanda, I have not yet heard your opinion on this. What is your Anyone But You take? I wish the whole movie could have been the last three minutes with the Natasha Bedingfield montage.

Glenn Power worked very hard, and so did the person who wrote all the Gen Z jokes. And, like, I don't know. I like that they tried it. I like that it had some of the, like, only in a movie set pieces. You know, the Sydney Harbour thing was pretty good, but it wasn't that funny uh so

that was that was tough that's where i am yeah i don't get it yeah anyway i think well it's it i understand it which is that it's a it's what a lot of movies have to be now which is it was a party yeah it was an opportunity for six friends to go and kind of half pay attention to a movie while having a fun time eating popcorn and maybe aiming their phone at the screen while taking pictures which is something that I believe people should be publicly assassinated for doing but uh is was definitely happening at screenings of anyone but you I am tonight seeing Immaculate and I am really excited for that interesting speaking of Sierra I have a date to see that on Friday night at the Egyptian and I'm really excited for that. Interesting. Speaking of CR, I have a date to see that on Friday night at the Egyptian and I'm fired up.

That's a film in which Sidney Sweeney plays a possessed nun, which is like, again, she's basically making porn without sex scenes. Do you think, like, what is going to be the demo breakdown on Friday night at the Egyptian? Just like literally 800 guys that look like CR. Yeah. I mean, how many women and can we count the number on one hand? Sydney Sweeney will be there. Sure. Oh, really?

Yeah. Oh, wow. One of the reasons why I'm attending. Okay. What time is it? Uh, it starts at 7.30 PM. Okay. Would you like to join?

No, I was going to see if you guys wanted to go to dinner before. So like, I really, I wanted to see what Chris wanted. Knox wants to see Chris. So. Well, if he doesn't want to see me, then he can't see Chris. Actually, he's very interested in you now because he knows that my job is to talk with Sean. Yeah. Alice is aware of this, too.

So, I went to work today, and I was like, I have to go to work. And I was like, I got to go talk. And he goes, with Sean. Yeah. It's pretty huge. Yeah. It's pretty huge. Wait till he learns what it's like to talk with me.

Everything's going to change for him. Wait till he gets into movie posters. Sydney Sweeney. Yeah. It's pretty huge. Wait till he learns what it's like to talk with me. Everything's going to change for him. Wait till he gets into movie posters. Sydney Sweeney, bro. Come on. This is life-changing work. Okay. That's probably more than I should have talked about Sydney Sweeney on this podcast. What's the next question?

To something that Joanna was just talking about. We got a question later in the mail back from Patrick. What's the best way to incentivize what Cord talked about in his acceptance speech? Is it a salary cap type award for achievement in filmmaking for under X million dollars? Should the Academy offer matching marketing funds for smaller productions meeting certain criteria? It's a very thoughtful question. people making the $200 million movies about weird stuff care that much about Oscars? I don't know whether it would be an Academy incentive

that would get them to not make Super Mario Bros. 2 and instead make 10 American fictions. It's a very interesting question. I mean, it's a question of trickle-down strategy. Every studio has different targets. We're in a really hard time to figure something like this out because basically Paramount and probably Warner Brothers are basically for sale.

And so whatever happens with those two studios, maybe there's consolidation. Warner Brothers isn't actually for sale, but there's a theory that the film studio in particular is being kind of propped up with exciting projects and new deals and so it's a little hard to know like what it is that like do those studios want anything other than cash flow right now i'm i don't know it's very different than what is the goal of A24 or Universal. You know, where Universal is sort of like, we make original stories with strong filmmakers, and we also have the Jurassic brand and Minions.

And so we're like the most modern, successful contemporary studio, having it both ways. If you're A24, you're like, we're trying to level up a little bit, but we're never going to get probably beyond $80 million for a budget. So if you do something like this, is Universal ever going to make a movie that costs less than $5 million? Probably not one that goes anywhere but Peacock. So I'm not sure how you compel those studios to do that.

And then it just feels like a Sundance Institute initiative more so than a Hollywood thing. So it's a tricky question. I do think from a financial perspective, if studios had like lowered their targets a little bit five years ago and not worried about the streaming wars, a lot of this would have made more, it would have made more sense to make these efforts. Because Neon and A24 have done just fine in the business, making these kinds of movies. I mean, look at Blumhouse Blumhouse is the signal. Like most of their movies are $5 million and under,

and they do incredible business every year. So they don't win Oscars, uh, with the rare exception of get out. But that's because you're selling something different with war, you know? Yeah. I,

I, I guess I, I don't know. Is there, Joanne, is there like a way to make it make sense? Um, I don't, not, not that I, I can i can't fix this uh right now on this podcast i i'm ashamed to say um and i agree with you in terms of like i don't know there's any way to appeal i don't know how interested um studios are in anything other than money except for the fact that there is this insecurity this

neurotic insecurity in hollywood of wanting to be the cool studio to not just the studio that makes money but the studio that's cool so i think some of these projects maybe not quite so micro-budgeted but some of these projects you know a given studio will be thrilled with their movie that made a gajillion dollars but they're also like but we also made this one that everyone thinks is amazing and is talking about it has this impact on the culture so i think that that is the only other potential priority but it all circles back to power it all circles back to either money power or coolness factor power and um some of those like some of our most cherished small movies don't have necessarily either of those things.

I think one thing that all studios should strongly consider is reapplying the strategy of like 2000 to 2015, which is in the aftermath of the Miramax acquisition by Disney. A lot of the legacy studios opened up smaller shingles inside their house. So a couple of them still exist, like Focus obviously still exists right now. Searchlight still exists. But like Paramount Vantage is the studio that put out There Will Be Blood. You know, there was a time when big studios were taking chances at modest budgets on filmmakers with grand stories in an effort really just to get a kind of prestige to make some money. But like There Will Be Blood, nobody was like, this is a $500 million movie. That's not why it was made.

It was made to be in business with Paul Thomas Anderson. It was made to, you know, have a Daniel Day-Lewis movie that could run through award season. It was worth it. Like, you know,

whether or not it was like financially worth it for the shareholders, I don't really care about that and I'm not thinking about it too much, but this was part of the general movie-making strategy of the Hollywood studios.

They're just not in the same position that they were in 15, 20 years ago. I recognize that. I just, I wish that there was a little bit more interest in this kind of thing because it can, you can reap benefits. Like look at how much money Parasite made. And it made like $65 million in America. That's remarkable. So I do think that they're missing out, not just on the potential to win awards,

but to find audiences that they maybe aren't thinking of that exist out there i think at this point people think of those level of stories as tv shows and i think i think the great thing about barbie and oppenheimer and dune 2 is this you know grand swell of see it in the theater like please see it in a theater every single movie that i've seen in south by i'm like i can't i can't imagine this playing at home at all and amazon has like a heavy presence here a lot of their movies like these big headliner movies are going straight to amazon i'm just like that's you're just kneecapping your movie i don't know why you would like i wouldn't want to make a movie in that uh system but i say that sitting for the privilege of never having to really think about making a movie so maybe that isn't want to make a movie in that system, but I say that sitting with the privilege of never having to really think

about making a movie. So maybe that isn't choice. I make Bobby. What's next fade out podcast asks, why is the in memoriam segment so hard for them to get right? And then goes on to specify that it was really weird to have all of the dancing and the, the singers and all of that stuff going in front of the actual video that they were playing of the in-memoriam.

So my take on this is that the reason why there's always some sort of hullabaloo surrounding the showing of the images and the names of the people who passed is that they have market research that indicates that people turn the show off when this is happening. Which I get, it's kind of boring relative to a TV broadcast where people are talking, telling jokes, being beautiful. So my case for this is just get rid of In Memoriam. Just get rid of it. Of course, it's tragic when someone that's in the industry has passed away. There are many ways to honor those people, especially if you are in an organization as powerful as the Academy. Do we really need it on the show? It's okay. It's fine.

It's nice that they do it. It does seem like it exists at this point just for people to get mad about, which does happen every year. And frankly, if we've learned anything from pop culture in the last five years, that has its own way of retaining viewers. But I agree. I thought it was going to be- You think it's that cynical? I don't think it's quite that cynical.

But I have never understood the it was going to be. You think it's that cynical? I don't think it's quite that cynical. But like I have never understood the in memoriam thing. I've never understood all the people being like, oh, my God, can you believe they did that? You know, like, what are we doing? That's that's like bathroom break time. Maybe that's one reason why they do it. That's it. That's another interesting, slightly cynical idea. Joanna, can you solve in memoriam?

I didn't mind Andrea Bocelli and his hot son singing during the In Memoriam. I thought that was fine. Okay, we'll bring him back every year then. Just the hot son.

Okay, great. A couple people asked in the replies of the Big Pick tweet why were they playing the Catalina Wine Mixer song over In Memoriam and I was like,

you guys. Oh, no. Show a little bit of respect to Andrea Bo bacelli didn't choose for will ferrell to write that in you know where was will ferrell on sunday that's something i

was wondering at home at a soccer game maybe he was with leo oh wow yeah interesting who was leo with leo was with hayo miyazaki on sunday night and will ferrell that's a sick room three three goats

right there love that love that for those guys and wes anderson you saw wes anderson did actually like acknowledge that he won an academy yeah when he woke up yeah and he was like sorry i'm making a movie which is what i'm always doing right respect to him love that guy sure okay what's next connor wants to know did you have thoughts on the holdover's plagiarism story? Didn't seem to be brought up on the red carpet at all. So since Sunday night, you've done a complete forensic analysis of both scripts, Amanda. So please share with us your findings. Oh, listen, I'm not an expert on the law or on the inner workings of the various guilds and law firms within Los Angeles that brought to this. I thought it was notable that this had been going on for many weeks and Variety decided to publish

it not during voting, not during really any point when it would have had any effect on the awards, but on the weekend before the oscars which you know has its has its own timing people are like oh interesting but respectfully the holdovers was never going to win um uh original screenplay so it was just kind of like it felt a little bit like a due diligence this is a scandal but we're publishing it but we're not even really sure if there's a story here even from the outlet publishing it. I really hate a, here is some information, you decide kind of a story. That's not journalism. That is actually not journalism. Get the story. Tell us, show it. You're an expert in the field. Show us where is this in fact, forensically true that the story has been ripped

off? Like, I don't understand that move at all. And it's just not. Like, that's the thing. It's like, I don't think you need to be an expert in the field. Based on what I saw, it's not. I haven't read both scripts, so I don't want to be like with finality that it's not. But it seemed pretty flimsy based on what I saw. Right.

And they did publish the dossier that is know attached and circulated with the case and and i would agree that it's it's reaching you know the variety story did detail like a lot of emails uh sent over like two distinct time periods when it seemed like alexander pain did have access to this one script and then this other script appeared like again that becomes like when does inspiration or like ideas and and plagiarism starts and everyone is stealing everything or you know everything at some point is so essentially similar you know it's a three-act movie and someone needs to go through a course you know some sort of change and learn something our young hero went on a journey and evolved their character.

But like, do the timelines of the emails like look great? They do not. You know what this is right here? Daughter of two lawyers. That's what's talking right now. I don't know. That's not the soul of an artist talking. That's a legal-minded young woman.

I just, like, usually in WGA arbitration, I side with the person bringing the complaint because usually there is some sort of trail that like feels more concrete than I mean, like, yes, the email evidence is one thing. But when you put the script side by side, I'm like, I don't I don't see it. I don't. I mean, I completely agree with you. I do also see how like this entire industry and process would drive people insane because. Yeah. You know, and it's like time yeah and how do you not feel for someone who's just like well they had my script for like

10 years and then something you know and it's like it's not the same thing but like it's a heartbreak you know it's i i get it but i i look at you what just repping the underdog you know i'm not repping the underdog i mean i'm repping the plaintiff, you know? I'm not repping the underdog. I mean, I- Repping the plaintiff? Like, you know, bangs gavel, like, dismissed. But- I'll say this. There's a really, really good piece written by David Hemmingson in Time Magazine

about the person who inspired the Paul Giamatti character and the holdovers and where that story comes from for him. It was published many, many months ago. That is a really nice piece of writing. And if you like that movie, I would recommend people check it out. Whether or not Alexander Payne evolved that script to fit the information that he discovered in this other guy's screenplay, I have no idea.

We'll probably never really know the answer to that. Because as you say, there's this kind of invisible window of inspiration that no one can ever truly fully understand. But the timing of it was quite cynical i'm putting it out basically the day before the academy awards i'm like come on like this is because you had one last shot to fire this gun like come on i just thought that was kind of lame but i get it we're all in the content business so they're just making content okay what's next ryan asks would post oscar discourse be better if they shared the voting results like i gotta know the best actress results from this year.

Of course, Ryan. Yes. Better? Well, would it be better? Okay, Joanna makes a good point. Do I want them to do this? And do I want to know the results? Yes, I do.

Do I trust the world at large with that information? No. But do I trust the world at large with any information? No, I don't. This is a year in which I think seeing the film that is in second place in Best Picture would be tremendously revealing about the state of the Academy Awards right now. I think if the holdovers was number two, that would tell me a lot. If the zone of interest was at number two, that would tell me a lot. I'm quite curious for that kind of thing. Obviously, I've been advocating for that for years. They're never going to do it. The acting races, this is a few years in a row now that for the most part, they've been totally

locked up. Emma and Lily was a race, was a true showdown. But even then it was like, well, it's going to be one of these two. You know what I mean? We haven't had like a jaw-on-the-floor surprise in an acting race in a little while, right? Was it, even like Olivia Colman over Glenn Close,

like she won the BAFTA that year. You know what I mean? There were always times when, you know, you got a sense of how it could happen. This is a year, though, where I think it would be

interesting to see the differentiation. Like, I don't think Best Director would be terribly revealing this year. I don't think it would say a whole lot actually my gut is that Glazer was running in second place in that in that yeah race that seems right but I would want to know for best picture what was in second okay so Pricewaterhouse please release that data to Sean and Amanda only and they will not be sharing it with anyone and they'll be using

it responsibly it's for my private files I would share it with you Joanna no'll be using it responsibly. It's for my private files in the museum of Sean. No, no, no. It's only going in the museum. Okay. No, Amanda will share it with me because I'm in the plate of rice with her. files where they can

be released? If you contact me directly, I'm sealed. Yeah, I'm sealed but then everyone just chickens out and they don't release them?

You need an air-gapped laptop to make an appointment with me on a secure line and then i will give you the location of the museum of sean or you can observe what people don't know is that that's what it's like making plans with you generally on a special laminated piece of paper that bob's been printing the trending topics you can see the voting results it's gonna be great

okay am i really hard to make plans with um yeah there's a lot of just like my calendar is blocked off at that time and i'm just like oh okay well just excuse me i'm a busy person yeah no i know you've got a lot of meetings yeah all those power points you got some power points to observe yeah you know i do it all for you guys you know just trying to keep the train on the tracks here at the ringer god forbid i think having the ranked best pictures would be interesting not like the numbers not like 25 voted for this or whatever but just like give me the ranking yeah i think the percentage on like let's say the lily emma split would only be hurtful yeah i mean that is, it would be hurtful for any of them. I've always wanted them to announce the rankings in order during the show.

But again, not with percentages. So nobody has to know if you only got one vote. Or you could even just announce the top five, you know? And then the other people don't even, they can just feel happy that they were there. You just have that incredible thing where you'd feel the energy in the room when it's become clear what's out. Yeah. Like if Lily Gladstone was running in third place, for example. Right.

I agree that it would be hurtful, Joanna. But if they told us, maybe they told us like 30 minutes into the show. And then an hour and a half into the show, they told us who was in second place. And then two hours into the show, they told us, maybe they told us like 30 minutes into the show and then an hour and a half into the show they told us who was in second place and then two hours into the show they told us who won the award. You'd get this like friction. It would spike the ratings so fucking hard. I'm so sure of it if they did it this way. Yeah, but they don't care about it. Well, it's protecting the sanctity of their organization over just the growth mindset.

Juicing those ratings. Yeah. Juicing those numbers. The growth mindset. Juicing those ratings. Yeah. Juicing those numbers. The growth mindset, which has obviously helped our society. Is this how Sean talks to you about your listenership numbers and what you can do to juice them? Absolutely not. And how you can compromise your morals in order to juice your listenership numbers? No, the big picture is about authenticity.

You know, we're not doing any pandering whatsoever. I don't even at that i don't even know what the numbers are don't never seen them never will sure sure i feel very strong about all the creative decisions that are made to drive this show forward okay and i'll say i'm always being honest you know in all in all discussions that we've had here of one of those creative decisions was talking about rango on a podcast about cinematography we got a question from Louis. Sean, you've been dragged for your Rango love for years. Don't you think it's time

for Amanda to bask in its glory? I've seen Rango. I saw it in theaters with a cool girl named Charlotte who I thought I was going to be friends with. And then it didn't quite happen. I hope Charlotte's well. I hope, well,

I hope she regrets her decisions. It wasn't like she rejected me. It was sort of like a timing thing. I think she moved, then I moved, you know. She was cool. She took me to Rango. 34th Street. That was a very weird theater choice.

Seems like you're not hung up on this at all. I'm just like, I've seen Rango. Seems like you've moved on and you're not. I've talked about Charlotte on this podcast before. It's so clear that your anxiety and angst over Rango is directly correlated to this mysterious Charlotte character. Is she like your K.R.U. from past lives? No, she was just cool. Or might have been.

Yeah. Okay, cool. Tall, like me, you know? Rango lives inside me. I don't need you to experience it. Do you know how important it is to have like a fellow tall girlfriend

it is you know that's why you need to become friends with Justine Triet she's like 6'5 she's very tall amen no I don't need

I don't need anybody else to observe Rangel if you've seen it and you like it we stand in a fraternity of solitude and we will we will thrive evermore

it's a great film Justin asks which first time winner from tonight will be the first to make it back of solitude and we will thrive evermore. It's a great film. Justin asks, which first-time winner from tonight will be the first to make it back for a second win? I had a hard time

with this one. I mean, Jennifer Lane was a first-time winner, right? She was. I believe in her. I don't know

how many editors over the years have multiple wins. That's an interesting question. Other first-timers. RDJ, don't know. Kill murphy seems possible um dave i enjoy randolph i'd love it i'd say cord i'm gonna go i thought about cord it's a tough one there's nolan he's the one who i think is most likely

you could really you would not be stunned to see him with two Best Director Oscars by the end of his career. Or another Oscar for producing a film or something like that. Just wouldn't be terribly surprising. Just for the record, Thelma Schoonmaker, Michael Kahn, Daniel Mandel, and Ralph Dawson all won three Best Editing Oscars over the years. I don't know. Who else? First time winner. Were the costume designers?

Wes Anderson? Holly Waddingham. Yeah. She had a great vibe. Yeah. Her energy during her acceptance. She was like, hey, whoa. All righty.

I was just sitting in my seat. Got myself an Oscar. What do you say about that? She's so, so blase. Is that the win where the clip of Emma in the bar bar is from that was her win i think that was for makeup okay that was adorable um yeah i mean wes anderson sure yeah do you think wes would show up if he's nominated for like i said wes yeah no that's the right answer yeah no it's wes anderson yeah okay do you think wes would show up if he's nominated one of the uh i hope so other categories

i do like the idea of him only being on set all the time, like him never not being on set. I think that he showed up for the Cartier Glory to the Filmmaker Award in Venice. Obviously, a shorter commute from Paris to Venice than Paris to Los Angeles, but I do think for a major awards campaign. Do you feel like it's just I'm on set or is it really, is it him being like this, this is what you're going to give me my first Oscar for? Yeah, I'm sure he also,

if he came to LA, then he would have to do all the campaigning, right? Like he would at least have to do a week worth of stuff that he probably doesn't want to do.

He really doesn't like doing that stuff. You can tell at this point, he really doesn't give a lot of interviews, doesn't really want to go outside of his own personal bubble, which,

you know, candidly doesn't benefit me as somebody outside of his own personal bubble, which, you know, candidly doesn't benefit me as somebody who would like to interview him. But also, like, I've accepted, I don't even try anymore. I haven't asked in years with him because I'm just like, eh, he's doing his own thing.

He's living in a terrarium. Yeah, meanwhile, Bradley Cooper's like, can I interview you, Sean, on my show? I would love that. I would welcome that. Let me tell you. That's my new life goal.

Okay. It's for Bradley Cooper to have a tom snyder-esque late night talk show that i am a guest okay if i can get there we did it like i'm good you can make it anywhere yeah dream big yeah is that big or is it not big i i think that that's galaxy brain and i like it okay thank you for your support what's the next question speaking of bradley cooper jackson asked it's 2044 and a 69 year old bradley cooper climbs the steps of the stage to win his first oscar will it be for best director or best supporting actor after fully embracing his superpower as incredible cameo guy Best Supporting Actor After Fully Embracing His Superpower As Incredible Cameo Guy. 1000% B. I completely agree. Yeah.

Like, you know, kind of in the Brad Pitt vein. The director's branch is tough, man. They just do not care whether you want it. They do not care whether you're one of the greats of your lifetime. They look Martin Scorsese in the face all the time and they're just like, no, you don't spend enough time in Los Angeles. So, but the actors

and the supporting, who doesn't love a zany supporting actor performance and then someone like finally gets on stage. I mean, he might be like 85. How old was Christopher Plummer when he finally got his?

I think he was in his 80s. Yeah. You know? What's your favorite Bradley Cooper Zany supporting actor performance? I mean, Wedding Crash Pizza

is up there. Sure. Licorice Pizza, obviously, important, vital. Does American Hustle count? Like,

is that supporting enough? I think so. Speaking of crazed FBI agents with guns in their hands. Yeah. He was good in The Mule, which Sean loves to talk about all the time. One of the best films of the 2010s. Yeah.

Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among Thieves. Obviously. Some great work in that film. Iconic. Sunday Night's airing of Abbott Elementary. Remember when he just held a baby doll in American Sniper and was like, this is my baby. And then America was like, this is the best movie of the year.

The movie made $500 million. And they were like, nominate him for that. Do it. He is. He's remarkable. We got to just, I want to do another coop episode,

just the whole episode about his whole, all his work. So special. Are we going to, are we going to do like a full alias rewatch? I would love to. Just the whole episode about all his work. So special. Are we going to do a full alias rewatch? I would love to. For the Bradley Cooper origin story. Watch his canceled Fox show.

Was it the cooking show? Kitchen Confidential? Yeah, Kitchen Confidential. It's just so plastic. Looking at the baby right now? This is my baby. It's in the movie you're like, that's a plastic doll the movie theater people are like that's a doll it's just ridiculous yeah we got it we got it

lunchtime okay what's next let's do a couple more Peter asks who's the next big director like Nolan that's quote unquote due for an award season sweep

maybe outside of Denis since Denis has been getting a lot of attention recently I mean Tarantino is next year

and this is theoretically his last film so so by sweep do we mean like win all the directing awards

or do we mean like win all the directing awards or do we mean like win all the below the line like i interpret it as like this is their show yeah director and picture or one one or both got it i think he has obviously been celebrated significantly by the academy and won multiple awards but only for writing not a ton of wins for his actors with Christoph Waltz notwithstanding. There's a case to be made that based on what I've heard about the movie critic, I wouldn't say it seems like right down the middle Oscar bait. You know, aside from hearing that he's going to be recreating scenes from Paul Schrader or from John Flynn's Rolling Thunder, like it's a movie about a movie critic.

So that doesn't seem like it's going to fit neatly into the expectations of the Academy. I don't think Quentin cares as much about that kind of thing as someone like Nolan might, feeling like he's part of a lineage. But he does also love to be celebrated. So I don't know. I mean, obviously, Paul Thomas Anderson

also more than likely has a movie coming out either at the end of this year or more likely in 2025 PTA against Quentin in a in a in a showdown is interesting it's also gonna be a Jordan Peele year 2025 is interesting I think is the Daniels next movie in 2025 no it's 2026 okay um there's a lot of 2025 is gonna be a huge movie year because of everything that has, you know, been delayed because of the strikes. So, I don't know. I honestly don't think either of them are ever going to get that treatment

because historically, the most audacious filmmakers of their era don't get the treatment. You know, Hitchcock didn't get the treatment. Kubrick didn't get the treatment. Those filmmakers who mark time and are the ones that are the most celebrated, lauded, remembered by cinephiles don't usually get hoisted the way that the Spielbergs do.

You know, somebody who is the true industry player who's also a great filmmaker. So, I don't know. Anybody else this springs to mind for you guys? Fincher, I think. He seems to really not care right now. Not care right now because Mank didn't go the way that he wanted to go. He really cared with Mank. Yeah.

And then he was like, okay, let me take a moment. But I think he's going to care again. Who didn't love Mank. I feel that the killer is misunderstood. I love Mank. I agree with you, though I don't know that I understand it the way that you understand it. But I love your feelings okay okay

I saw Mark Andreessen tweeting about it the other day and I was like we're just we're through the looking glass here we're completely through the looking glass I have like the reasons why Europeans didn't

support it because it's a takedown of the sigma mindset in American culture okay I'm out in the gig economy which like it is

but that isn't why Europeans didn't like it. Like just fucking ridiculous. Anyway. Sorry, I just got a lot of strong feelings about the killer. I was just thinking about

Just completely unrepresented at the Academy Awards. Yeah. I've been getting into Egg McMuffins as a result of I mean, I know he doesn't eat the whole Egg McMuffin

in that movie, but you know, it is a nice kind of protein. So you're keeping the muffin part. Yeah, and I'm actually so I should say I'm not going to McDonald's. There's like a bakery in our neighborhood that does like a fancy egg McMuffin, but they're

like fully ripping it off. Too good for McDonald's, huh? I'm not. Okay. And there's one very close to my house. And do you think their egg McMuffin is close enough to McDonald's egg McMuffin that there would be like WGA arbitration about it? They call it an Egg Muffin Sandwich.

Where does it live in the window of inspiration? They are walking the trademark line very closely. Speaking of the McDonald's near my house, my son is really into flags. And so I noticed flags in a new way. And the McDonald's flag, they have a flagpole, and they have an American flag and then a McDonald's flag. And the McDonald's flag has been flying at half-mast for like three months. And I would just like to know what happened at McDonald's.

Which do you salute first? I don't know. But it's like, it's just, it's the corporate. Is it for Grimace? That's what I'm saying. Like, what's this? The Hamburglar? Like, what's going on?

But every day now, I see it on my way home, and I'm just like, well, the flag's still at half-assed. Did the Hamburglar get locked up? I don't know. In a private prison? I'm asking you. It's tough. You hate to hear about that. He's just trapped in the ball pit, the McPlayground.

I haven't eaten any items of food from McDonald's in 11 years. Do you remember the last one? I do. It was right before going on a road trip with CR and Phoebe. Okay. And we pulled off, I think we were- Was this the Spanglish road trip? It might've been the Spanglish road trip.

That's super funny. And got myself some McDonald's and felt as though, I felt like Cooper at the end of Maestro. Yeah. Where I was just like sweating, draped over my partner, McDonald's and felt as though I felt like Cooper at the end of Maestro. Yeah. You know, where I was just like sweating, draped over my partner, practically falling down. But also I could hear the music. Yeah.

And I haven't been back since. But you know what? I like McDonald's. I don't really have a problem with it. I'm pro. And the Egg McMuffin ripoff has really, really enhanced my life. It's great. This is, once again, I'd like to circle back to our food pod that I've been pitching pretty hard recently. Six days a week. Joanna,

are you interested in this? I'm on the seventh day we rest. Open your third eye and eat the McGriddle instead. The McGriddle. Never had one. It's superior. Never tried it in my life. Well, it sounds like we have a great opportunity for the food pod. Road trip. I'm open to a McGriddle tasting. If the food pod means you get to go to Spain and Australia, then I definitely think you should start a food pot. So is it like a pancake

with the egg? Yeah, it's a McMuffin with a pancake instead of the muffin. I have to say, Bobby, I disagree because the English muffin, the McMuffin part

or the muffin part of the sandwich is really underrated and misunderstood. I think it's powerful, powerful stuff. It's what elevating because at home we don't, I can't find the English muffins in my local Whole Foods. I think they've just disappeared them. So I can't make it at home. So I'm using other breadstuffs and it's not the same wait are you talking about like a pita bread like what other bread stuff yeah yeah yeah there's a really good local shout out angel bakery in la they have really great pita no free ads i'm really worried that they are not gonna they're always on sale now and so i'm worried

that it's not selling so i want to give them a shout out because it's really good uh are you medicated right now sean looks the same as how he described his last mcdonald's experience he's sweating sweating yeah he's weak he hears the music keeling over slowly you said you wanted a food pod here we go this is what it would be. I've made a grave error. Listen, that's what David Fincher gave to us, you know? Like a world of imagination and inspiration. And for that, he deserves a sweep in Oscar seasons.

We brought it back. That's well done, guys. Thank you so much. Okay. Bobby, one more question. Let's wrap it up. Final question comes from Josh. If the Academy called on you to present one category

or introduce one section of the telecast, which would you choose and why? I'm best picture. Yeah, absolutely. Come on. We are Warren and Faye, but we don't need reading glasses. Okay.

How could you top Pacino's performance though? That's my question. My eyes see up in Ima. That's the best thing that's ever happened at the Oscars. That's the best thing that's ever happened at the Oscars. I can't believe they keep rolling out 80-year-olds to give out that award and confusing everybody. It's exclusively 80-year-olds. I know.

Harrison Ford, Jane Fonda. It's incredible. Jane was on her shit, She was on it. She was on it. What do you think Kimmel, like what was going

through Kimmel's head when that happened? He was nervous. He was like, oh, here we go again. Yeah. Here we go again. He probably popped

a Zin pouch, you know, he's like, I gotta get my energy up because I'm gonna have to run out there and tackle Al Pacino before he says maestro

instead of Oppenheimer. Bobby, thank you so much for asking. I would like to sing the In Memoriam with Underbred, which always gets on. Thank you. Bravo.

That's a great place to end this. Okay. Joanna, thank you so much for coming to us live from Austin, Texas. We really appreciate it. Listen to Tribeye content, House of R Prestige TV what's on Prestige TV right now

what are you doing Shogun? Shogun baby it's been really good I've been digging it so good it actually looks a TV show

that actually looks good Amanda I heard you talking to Corey about this at length during the commercials I mean who to thunk it

putting strong production resources into your television show imagine spending money thank you so much to FX for doing that work listen to Joe and rob talk about that on that feed we'll be back later this week talking about a new movie for once for christ's sake jesus god it's been like nine years

since we talked about a new movie love lies bleeding and we'll talk about 21st century noir we'll talk about kristen stewart we'll talk. What else will we talk about? Bodybuilding? Yes. You just froze up. I know because I had another thing in that movie that I wanted to talk about. Oh, we'll talk about wigs. Joe, you can join that segment if you'd like. Please. They're quite something.

See, I don't think I clocked any wigs in the whole movie. This is one of my blindnesses. I can't see this. Okay, but there is one that I know even you've lacked. We'll get there. Tune in. Tune in Friday for this incredible reveal of whether or not I understood someone was wearing a wig on the big picture. Thank you to our producer

Bobby Wagner for his work on this episode. We'll see you later this week. you