The Big Picture - The 2026 Golden Globes: ‘One Battle After Another’ vs. ‘Hamnet’ Begins

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Sean and Amanda instantly react to the 2026 Golden Globes and break down their thoughts on the telecast, debate whether or not ‘Hamnet’ is now a serious Best Picture contender, and wonder what exactly the purpose of this awards show is. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the big picture, a conversation show about the 2026 Golden Globes. We've just witnessed them here at Spotify HQ. Amanda, how are you feeling? Well, you are yelling at me a lot, as if I made any of the decisions. You turned to me as best drama was being announced as George Clooney and Don Cheadle did a fairly amusing, if extended bit, before announcing the final category. You turned to me and yelled, are they really not going to give this to sinners?

As if I were a member of the Golden Globes, as if I had any decision-making power. And I did not. And in fact, they did not align with my predictions. But they did not give the last category to sinners. So we finished on a bit of a down note personally. Or we as people invested in cinema and people we like winning meaningless trophies. Well, I'd like to explore that with you. Yeah.

So it was a huge night for one battle after another, which won Best Musical or Comedy, best director, and best original screenplay, in addition to Best Supporting Actress for Tiana Taylor. Yes. One battle was the big winner of the night. It has been the big winner of award season throughout. I thought Paul Thomas Anderson gave two really good speeches. I thought Tiana Taylor gave a good speech. It was a great showing for the movie.

I do feel stupid for a variety of reasons, not just because I was like four for 19 in my predictions. You started out. strong. I don't even remember what I started out with. Well, the best supporting actress was the first award given. And so you did pick Tiana Taylor. Yes. I started our conversation on the predictions episode by saying, I'm feeling very bored by all this. Everything feels very predictable this season. It during, while making my predictions, I think I was I was trying to manifest a swerve, a change in

the narrative, something different. Yeah. And I made all these crazy picks that had no chance of winning. Michael B. Jordan winning Best Actor in a Drama or, um, uh, who else did I put? Emma Stone winning for Bagonia, like things that have not really had any precedent of happening. And the most obvious place to quote unquote zag here, which is really obvious when you look back is to say Hamnet for best drama. And you and I didn't pick it. You picked it was just an accident, which I thought was interesting. And your rationale was 100% on the money, which was you thought that what?

Well, I thought that it was a very, this is an international voting body or a non-American voting body. There were a huge number of international nominees across the acting categories, screenplay, directing, and of course both best drama and best musical and comedy. And it was just an accident, was also nominated in screenplay, director, international, and in best drama. So I thought, you know, there is a broader international voting base and this is a category, this is a movie that, has a lot of nominations. It went home empty-handed. It did. So that's tough.

That's a great film. And I think the way that you were thinking about it was sound, though, which is that you chose sinners to win the best cinematic and box office achievement, which is a real award that exists, and now has precedent in a couple of different ways. I predicted it to win. I did not choose it. Once again, we find that to be an insulting award and that the ability to connect with audiences on a mass scale is just another way to be great at making a film.

And you can have it all. You have correctly identified this award, though, as the Bridesmaid Award. Yeah. That this is the award. I don't mean the film Bridesmaids, I mean. This is the second place award. This is that you did a really nice job at the box office. It's the Barbie Award.

You're worthy of Oscar nominations, but you're not worthy of winning anything major. Two years ago, Barbie won. Last year, Wicked won. This year, it's sinners. And you said, Sinners is going to win here. And it did. You were right about that. And I have to go somewhere else

because I don't think that they're going to repeat centers in this spot. And for whatever reason, I just wasn't really thinking hard about it. I think it's because you were holding a grudge against Hamnet that you maybe just didn't want to go

in that direction. No, I was trying to, I was thinking international. Okay. And I was, I mean, like, no other. It is an international film. It's sort of.

As Jesse Buckley noted, an Irish cast, a Chinese filmmaker, a Polish crew. You're right. You're right. You know, it's not a foreign language film, but it is an international movie in some respects. And it won here. And in retrospect,

it's obvious. And I did say to you what we were watching the show, we've been saying all along, oh, it's one battle and Sinners has been in second place all along. But many people said Hamlet is not a critics film. It's an industry film. It's a film that wants people in the academy start watching it, that they're going to like more than critics are going to like it. And I'm not saying that Hamlet is coming for one battle's neck or anything. Yeah. But we do have a race now. We have a race.

We're back where we were in September with the Shakespeare in love versus saving private Ryan. And Steven Spielberg is somehow like involved once again. On stage, accepting the award. Exactly. But like possibly on the losing side. But Shakespeare is now, you know, it's. So we are, I think you're right. But I don't, I don't feel as bad about myself as you're trying to bring.

shame to both of us. No, I'm not. I'm just trying to be real. I'm just trying to be real. Like, we both got that category wrong. And we, we shouldn't have because for months we have known that Hamlet is is going to be very strong in this kind of a battle. And in part because even though one battle after another in Hamnet are, I think both ultimately very sincere movies, they're kind of two different modes of sincerity. I thought Chloe Zhao gave a really nice speech. And I think people were going to remember that speech about what Paul Meskell said to her about what it means to love and to be loved and to be seen and to be vulnerable. Those are things that it resident. My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

beautiful wife Eileen texted me and she said, I thought that was a really nice speech by Chloe Jow. She thought it was okay. Yeah. But that sort of thing matters at this stage because as you said, when we last recorded, Academy voters watched the Globes. And when you're listening to this, Academy members are probably starting to vote. Voting starts. Yes.

They're voting on nomination starting tomorrow. Monday. Or, yes, Monday wherever you are listening. Yes. So this is a consequential telecast, at least in that respect. Just like gut check. Yeah. Do you think there's any chance that the tides really start turning here?

Because in years past, like, last year, we had a Nora at the top of our Best Picture Power rankings for months. Right. And we switched it one time. And it was the one episode we did after the Globes because the Brutalist won best drama. Right. And Brady Corbe won best director. So almost as a nod to the fact that it just won these two big awards, we have to say, well, the brutalist, it has a chance. It's in the race.

And then it ultimately turned out to not be in the race. race. In years past, this has happened many times where it seemed like maybe a film was getting in there, but the frontrunner was always strong. Do you think Hamid has a chance in this race? I don't. I think that some of it has to do with both our own biases against the musical and comedy category and or, I guess, our biases of taking drama more seriously. And also just the completely nonsensical way in which the films were divided this year. I mean, you know, as you pointed out to me, Rose Byrne, very deserving win for best actress in a musical or comedy. And if I had legs, I'd kick you.

It's an incredible movie, one of my favorite films of the year. Yes. Best actress in a deeply upsetting drama. And, you know, there are moments where you laugh from despair. Like, it is funny, but what is a musical or comedy? Because All Sinners is a movie that music and the history of music is deeply embedded in that film. And it did win for Best Score tonight, though that was not televised, which we'll get into that. Shameful.

So what's a musical, what's a comedy, what's a drama this year in particular, up is down. And so I think- And the award show became sentient about this idea. They were literally talking about this. Having presenters discussed this on stage, Judd Appetal went out of his way to note. The train wreck lost best musical or comedy to The Martian directed by Relie Scott. The Martian is funnier than if I had legs I'd kick you, I would argue. But your point is dead on, which is that there's been a lot of.

of genre confusion and mishmashing and a lot of category fraud for lack of a better term. There's a lot of category fraud throughout all the categories this time of year. So that part of it, I think, blurs the lines of how impactful some of these things are. But it's actually, I think it's fun. I think it's fun to have a little bit more tension in the race. I think it's fun and not to be as much of a steam roll as it has felt like. Maybe it feels more fun because I'm like, the stuff I like is still in pretty good shape here. Like, nothing feels threatened.

I don't know why I'm treating this. Like it's a sports season, maybe because the Mets and the Jets have been so fucking miserable that I just need this to happen. But let's talk about the telecast for a little bit before we go back to the races because the races were good, but they did feel very chalky. So there's not as much to analyze as there has been in years past. Nikki Glazer returned as the host. What did you think of her performance? Pretty good. This year I knew who she was as opposed to last year.

Remember when I was like, oh, this Nikki Glazer. Wow. She has some experience with comedy. A working comedian of 20 years. Sure. No, but she picks the right targets for the most part, and they're softer targets, but it's still funny, mostly kept it moving. You know, she had like a dig or two at CBS News on CBS, which I appreciated. Me too.

The musical numbers are not funny, but a bit long for my taste. And I personally would take some of the costume changes in a different direction. Okay. But I thought that she did a good job. I thought she was pretty funny. I thought she was really funny last year. Maybe a little bit less funny this year, but she does feel much more comfortable going bing,

Bing, Bing, treating the monologue like a roast. And that's obviously something she's best at. Her returned barbs towards Kevin Hart, who's a friend of hers, are reminiscent of a lot of the barbs she's throwing Kevin Hart's ways over the years during roast.

That's where she's at her best. And I thought her shots at Shalamee were pretty funny. I thought Wicked was back with Wicked for Money was probably my favorite joke in the night. I thought her Sean Penn joke was very funny. You know, a lot of people talk to talk, but Sean Penn, you actually go to the places in the world and need help the most and do cocaine there.

And that was a great laugh line. She had the George Clooney troubleshooting the espresso moment. It was really very, very funny. So the jokes were pretty good. I found the inter segments and the musical number to be a little wanting. I can talk about the podcast awards in a moment. Yeah. That was a little bit funnier.

The show started with no clips for the supporting actor. and actress awards. And that's evil. Right. We reject that here on the show. They did eventually start introducing some clips. Yes. Starting with the podcast awards.

Okay. Yeah. We can start with that. They also gave us a clip of screenwriting in Hamnet, and they just central, you know, really focused on the point where he says, who are you looking for? William Shakespeare. So once again, clips highlighting the best of the work that we see every year. That's helpful.

The show was about three hours and 50. So it wasn't brisk, but it wasn't over long, I would say, especially because they also have to hand out a trundle of TV awards. Most of which also seemed pretty predictable and not super interesting. Congratulations to the nice people of adolescence. Yeah, they did very well tonight. The pit did very well tonight. It was nice to see Ray Sehorn up there for Pluribus, one of my favorite shows of the year. Something that was not good about the show, not even a little bit good, was the play-by-play announcers speaking while

winners went to the stage. Yeah. Kevin Frazier and Mark Malkin were doing, I guess, banter. I mean, it seems like they had some factoids, but they were also trying to, like, feel it out and, like, you know, like find the energy in the room. And listen, it's hard to find the energy in the room. We get there most days. Yeah. Sometimes we don't.

They were not getting there. No. It was excruciating. I almost climbed under our theater chair multiple times. I found it deeply unpleasant. And that's a small chair. Yeah. I found their banter to be often ill-informed and boring.

Yes. It also had the performative like, aren't we having fun, everyone? Quality to it, which is obviously not great. When you combine that with the Bachelorette Party circa 2009 soundtrack, it was very like, they seemed like strip club DJs to me, where I was just like, you know, Usher was going hard in the paint as like Clibramendoza Filio was going to the stage. No, it was not.

Usher, yeah, played as Stell and Scars Garden made his way to the stage to accept Best Supporting Actor for sentimental value. Please, I've written them down. Return of the Mac played as McCulley Calkin came out. That was excellent.

Yeah, Espresso, after Paul Thomas Anderson's Best Director's Speech into animated feature. You know, Ponda Replay, as everyone for The Secret Agent made their way back from, like, you know, the, table 324 or whatever. A little questionable.

The further the table was, you know, the longer the music played and also the longer, those two people whose names I don't remember had to vamp. Pink Pony Club as the heated rivalry guys came out. Yes, that was funny. Which I enjoyed. Isn't she lovely for Jesse Buckley's? And at some point, it really did turn into like fourth hour of a wedding, like clear the dance floor situation. We found love in a hopeless place for one battle after another.

a triumphant win and then just straight up celebrate for when Hamnet won best drama that's really because when you think Hamnet you think celebrate and apparently after they wrapped the globe scene in Hamnet

I'm not making this up this isn't like me doing a bit they as like a cathartic moment for everyone in the theater they had a dance party to we found love in a hopeless place by Rihanna like on the globe set so I found that very weird that you know they couldn't even

cue those music cues up if they wanted something in Congress. Very strange. I liked the soundtrack. I guess it kept the energy up during the show, you know? Like, and just a lot of recognizable mid-tier mom jams. Like, that's where I don't really know what else to call it. Like, it wasn't bad music. It was good pop music, I suppose.

But it was like, once again, with the sort of reckoning of the movies that you like are going to win best picture at the Academy Awards. It's like, it is all coming for the middle-aged people of, of. of the millennial generation. That's fine. All of this is coming to the four where it's like the oldies that are playing at award shows is fucking pond a replay.

Like, how did we get here? Quick question for you. Yeah. Very quickly. Just yes or no reaction. If we were offered $10 million by the Golden Globes next year to be the play-by-play announcers,

would you do it? No. I would. I'll do it alone. I'll do it by myself. I have so many fact-toids about films. Here's the thing. Here is the thing.

Here is the thing. Listen. I don't even need to prep. Just put me in the chair and I'll crush. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, you know the facts. You're a great game show host. But as you know, from doing watch-along or whatever,

the fitting the anecdote to the moment and the time by time, it's a little more intense. Under any moment of fear, I just immediately go to what is the physical media availability of this actor's catalog. Yes. And I have so much info. Which leads me to point two, which is, sure, $10 million for one night. That's not our rates currently. I'd love to get there. You're saying we make more.

But it would be $10 million for that one night. And then you'll never make any money again because it will go so badly. So is that it? That's your cap. $10 million next January 4th or whatever and then you're out. I won't need it because I've been relying on Polly Market to make bets on my wagers all night. And thanks to my wonderful predictions, I am now a quadrillionaire. Right.

Polymarket odds were shown during the telecast of this show. They sure were. They were shown apparently in the building, in the theater. Oh. They were flashing them on screens to the attendees of the Golden Globes, which is, of course, historically, this very sloshy, insidery, fame-packed small room where really like a ton of very, very well-known people. In fact, we bemoaned last year the kind of lack of heavyweight stardom at the Oscars.

But this year, we had one table alone. that featured George Clooney, Julia Roberts, and Adam Sandler. Yes. This was a very starry night. Leonard DiCaprio was in the crowd today. You know, there were a lot of heavyweight famous people, young and old, and they were showing fucking polymarket on the board. It was the lower, you know, it was the Chiron as people were mingling.

So I watched the two sweet boys from Hamlet go meet Adam Sandler. And that was... The jupes. Yeah. And that was very nice. So I don't feel good about the polymarket thing. I don't know what to say. Is it legal for everyone at the Golden Glom?

to be placing bets from inside the room? It's a wonderful question. Okay. I have to assume yes. Okay. Although there is no gambling online gambling in California, right? Oh. So no.

So, well, then how's everyone doing it? Well, nobody in California is doing it. In theory. In, okay. But the thing that flashed in my mind when I was thinking about this polymarket thing. Yeah. One, I was like, get off my corner. I'm the guy who incorrectly predicts the golden globes here.

Two, it felt very much like Adrian Wojnarowski, former all-knowing savant of the NBA, a reporter who had all the information in broke news all the time, would literally spoil the upcoming draft picks in the NBA draft while the NBA draft telecast was happening on ESPN.

And he was sort of undermining the TV property that he was working for and working on. And this sort of worked in the same way where it was like, coming up next, cinematic and box office achievement award, here are the odds. Sinners is at 87%. Okay, so if Sinners doesn't win,

it's going to be like the upset of all upsets on a night with virtually no upsets. I thought it was very strange. Let's talk briefly about the podcast award before we start getting into the nitty-gritty of all of the film awards. So it opened with an AMC, Nicole Kidman-style spoof. Yes.

Starring Nikki Glazer. Did you think that was funny? Well, she was wearing the silver penstripe jacket, And then she went to the AMC theaters and it was closed under construction, which I did think was funny. And then she said, we come to our car for podcasts, which is still how I, at least. I hope that none of you are watching this on YouTube while in your car. Okay. Please be safe.

Well, usually you have to be parked to utilize if you have a screen in your car, the viewing. But you might have it on your phone. Yeah. And to that I say, please wear your seatbelt and don't watch this podcast and drive. Thank you, your podcast, Mom. The good news is, no one who listens to this show has their driver's license. They're all 15 and under. You know, it was wonderful to hear our friend Griffin Newman's voice in the fake bombus ad or maybe the real bombus ad, question mark.

I don't know. They make great baby socks. I wasn't paid to say that. That's wonderful. It was nice to see Mark Marin in that advertisement. The award itself was given out by Snoop Dog. Yeah. And Snoop Dog, yet another indication of how everything that seemed cutting edge and excited.

in the 90s is just like warm and fuzzy nostalgia for people in their 40s and 50s now. And good hang with Amy Polar 1. Wonderful. And I say great. Yeah. The ringer has a Golden Globe. It's incredible. Kaya fucking McMullen has a Golden Globe.

Shout out to Kaya. I'm thrilled for Kaya. It's amazing. Bill Simmons's name uttered on stage at the Golden Globes. That's a great podcast. I would like to say because in the Nikki Glazer quote or the spoof, they played clips from podcasts and they played a recent good hang clip

which Amy Poehler and Gwyneth Paltrow discuss having dinner at 6 p.m. And what a joy that is. Deeply relatable. I would just like, it's not deeply relatable because we are not successful enough to get the 6 p.m. reservation. That is Golden Globe privilege right there. We can only get

five. Six is taken for rich people at this point. I thought they were saying like I eat it home at 6. Oh no, no, no, no. I think that they, when it's like I do a 540, I did a 545 last night and that suggests to me that it was a 545 reservation, you know? But yeah, I can't get the 6 p.m. 6.15. Are you kidding? I'm like San Vicente Bungal. Like, what are we talking about here? Those aren't available. You have to start at five or nine for everybody else. So I'm happy for them. You got to start like using your poll a little bit here, you know? You got to be carrying

around that issue in the New York. Do you know who I am? I'm the lady in this caricature. It's not in the print version. Oh, right. Shoot. Yeah. I know. So the, I know. So the, I I don't know. You got to start showing them your phone. My Instagram is like, hey, do you see that? But I don't have my microphone with me or my coffee cup. I was really happy for Amy. It's wonderful.

Really deserving. She kind of indicated it, but like I was in the meeting when Amy came in and pitched the show. And everyone that was in the meeting was like, this is the most no-brainer meet of all time. We were just like, we have to do this. Whatever we have to do, we'll do this. And it's great. That show obviously is a smash success and she's worthy of it. You know, I don't love the podcast award and the stand-of-of-comedy award.

blotting out the film and TV stuff as much. I understand why they exist. I think it's pretty savvy on the Golden Globes part for a variety of reasons because they're trying to keep up with the Joneses, right? What are people actually consuming? Nicky Glazer's bits, I think leaned into that pretty good. But then when you watch, like, those awards, you watch Nikki Glazer doing a Marty's Supreme Golden mashup parody and then Best Score gets pushed off the telecast.

Something feels wrong there. Even stand-up comedy is like, you know, Ricky Jervais won and he wasn't even there. So why did they give that award out on the telecast? I don't understand. Also, if score was the only category I'm aware of that was given out during the commercials, that's just bad planning. That's just why. Also, score is a cool award.

I agree. I don't understand. I mean, maybe the least sexy award, perhaps, out of all of these on this telecast. But, like, is it really less sexy than, like, supporting actress in a limited series? I don't know. It just, that doesn't sit right with me. And I didn't like that they did that. And we're talking a minute, like three more minutes on a three hour and 15 minute telecast.

We could have cut one of the bits. We could have. Yeah. Very quickly, I did want to do executive watch. Sure. That's what we were doing in the room. Yes. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at other Golden Globes.

You know, memorably Tim Cook showed up for Golden Globes in the past because, you know, he had produced shows for Apple. Apple had a good night. The studio did really well. But there were a lot of very visible executives from the movie studios on this telecast at a critical time in which two different companies are bidding for one of the company. Yes. And they're all kind of involved in the Oscar race, except for Paramount, but the show was airing on CBS, which Paramount owns. So in the room, we had David Zazlov, the chairman of Warner Brothers and HBO at the one battle after another table with Mike Toluca and Pam Abdi. They're the film chiefs. David Ellison, you noted, was there looking perhaps a bit sunburnt. Yes. And also seemingly in the corner, he was up,

against one of them. I think he was on like orchestra level. Okay. But on the fringes, you know? I see. As best I could tell. Lurking in the shadows.

Is that what you're saying? It was in the corner. All right. Bella Bajaria seated at the J. Kelly table with Adam Sandler, George Clooney and Julia Roberts, who was there as a kind of plus one. Sure. Also with Kevin Hart, apparently. I just, I don't know.

I don't think that after the hunt had that many other nominations or any other nominations, so they had to put her somewhere. Good point. They put her with George. Ted Sarandos also of Netflix was at the Frankenstein table. I spotted Tom Rothman in the crowd, looked like he was embracing Leonardo DiCaprio on point from Sony. And Casey Blois, of course, from HBO also there.

Big Night for Hacks, Big Night for the Pit, a number of his shows. And I'm saying all this because there was some interesting synergy. There was a very lame cross-promotional moment in which UFC fighters came out to introduce the heated rivalry stars. UFC, of course, was recently acquired and we'll be showing on Paramount Pluson Paramount properties going forward. And this kind of like peacocking that is going amongst the suitors. Yes.

Of sorts. Feels a little lame. The UFC into the heated rivalry moment was, it wasn't really, the heated rivalry guys were cute. We haven't watched heated rivalry yet. We watch movies. I'm sorry, please don't at me. They did a great job. But the UFC stuff, they were just like walking around silently in the dark.

I just... Bit ominous. I mean, I just like instinctively opened my phone to the real real. I was just kind of like, this is not for me. I don't know what's happening. So it wasn't very effective promo. It was sort of pathetic. When you think Golden Globes and a room full of celebrities, you think combat sports.

I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but it was not. Do you want to go sequentially through these film awards now to talk through the outcomes? The first award of the night was best performance by a female actor in a supporting role. Yeah. I predicted Tiana Taylor, one of my precious few correct predictions tonight. You predicted Inga Ibstata Lilias. Yes. And Teiana won.

And she gave a spirited speech. She had some sort of like butterfly, not medallion tied in the back of her dress that she pointed out. And then she spoke. Yeah, it was like a bow sort of. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. She spoke of God and Jesus and her Savior.

Mm-hmm. And then I thought gave a pretty good speech. I think she had the right energy to open the show. I'm a little unsure of that race. I just said in our Instagram live right beforehand that I feel certain that Amy Madigan is going to win. Right. Because of a lot of precursor stuff

and we can talk through some of the SAG, PGA, DGA, DGA, and BAFTA long list news that we've gotten over the last five days. But she's been very strong throughout that race. Yes, she hasn't been pushed aside. But Tiana Taylor has too. Amy Madigan was there sitting with Ed Harris and they were chuckling and also looking kind of like, what's going on the way that we looked on our Instagram live? So I really related to them. They actually are grandma and grandpa though or not. So they have an excuse of having lived. They also, they were both wearing their reading glasses, which like maybe it's time for us.

Might be time. So, no, I think Tiana Taylor is is very much in the mix, though. I agree that this feels less settled. I like this speech. You know, it kind of built in momentum to, you know, a tribute to all the other brown and black women and especially little girls watching this. And I was very lovely. It was moving. And she was like, she was pumped, you know? She was pumped. And it kind of like danced off the stage, I believe, to my boo, ghost town DJs speaking. Yeah.

So, yeah, you were mocking the music. But listen. Well, that was cool. I like that. And she gave a little, she did a little groove off the stage. I think I've said this before, but I think back on meeting Taiana Taylor in 2008 when she came into the Five magazine office and she was like, I'm going to be a huge star. And I was like, who are you?

And she may be an Academy Award winner. Best performance by a male actor in a supporting role. Right. Now, this was surprising. This to me was the lone true surprise of the night. Not that it was an unwarranted victory, but we both picked Benicio del Toro to win. He has been the chalk pick in this category throughout the season. I was proclaiming that I feel like there's a strong chance that Jacob Allorty has a powerful upset in him in this category.

You were like, I think this is going to happen. at the Oscars in a few months. And maybe it's the other way. Maybe it's what happened tonight. Maybe it's Stellan Scarsgaard for sentimental value. I could see it. I was kicking myself because when we were doing our predictions, I picked Inger Ips, Adelilius from sentimental value in supporting.

But I remember saying aloud, oh, but like maybe they'll do the supporting for Stalin in supporting actor. And that turned out to be the case. But there is a huge amount of support for sentimental value. I told you on our live that my husband, watched sentimental value yesterday. Absolutely loved it. And then was just basically like, Amanda, what's wrong with you? You know.

A common refrain that's come in your direction. I'm working through it. I liked it. And I just didn't, you know, emotionally get there. So maybe I will. But I thought he gave a great speech. He gave a wonderful speech. You know, he spoke very briefly about the people who worked on the film with him and had brief remarks.

He had a very amusing dedication to his wife that indicated some sort of sexual power. And his children And his children, yes, who have been telling him What a bad father He's been in recent years And he and Alexander Scarscar Have been on the trail together

And they've been very funny together But then he spent a minute of his speech Talking about the importance of seeing movies And movie theaters He said, let cinema be seen in cinemas And he was the only person to talk about that All night at this moment when You know, the Netflix executives

Are sitting nearby the Warner's executives Nearby the Paramount executives And there's this like There obviously is this real sense of doom around theatrical movie going in Hollywood the last year or so and he spoke to it. Yeah.

Someone else did give an acceptance speech about how they proposed to someone in a movie theater but I can't remember right now. I think it was another producer accepting which we'll get to. Okay. Best original song.

Mm-hmm. So Golden from K-pop Demon Hunter is 1. We picked both of this. We're going to need to work on this speech before we get to the... It's okay. You know, it's your first time accepting Not everyone, you know, nails it when they get up there,

but we're going to need to work on tempo. We're going to need to work on focus. I want this for Golden. I just, we got to practice. You're referring to E.J.'s acceptance speech, one of the co-writers of Golden. And she spoke with a tremendous amount of sincerity and burst into tears. Yes.

And she said all she wanted to do when she grew up was being idle. Now, if you've seen the film and you've heard the song, You're Idol. Yeah. There's some acknowledgement. She quoted herself in the speech. I didn't have. It was more the energy that was a little off.

It was the energy. It was the pacing. Like I said, we got to, we got to practice and focus. It's okay to be surprised. But like, we do need to prepare for the inevitable Oscar win. So let's, let's, we've learned. We're all about learning and growing here on the big picture. You're not campaigning for train dreams from train dreams by Nick Cave.

That was a perfectly predictable win. Yes, we both did predict that. Best original score you mentioned. Lovina Gorensen from Sinners won this. We didn't see it. You predicted this. Best original screenplay. Yeah.

Best screenplay, period. Only one screenplay category at the Golden Globes. We both predicted Ryan Coogler. Right. Because I think we were trying to account for the... You can't just give cinematic and box office achievement to... Right. just sinners and that be the only award they win,

they surely wouldn't do that, right? And also, because I do think we think it has a real chance in original screenplay at the Oscars. I think it's a frontrunner. Yeah. I feel it's a frontrunner. Obviously, one battle after another is considered an adaptation, but they were competing against each other

in this category. Paul Thomas Anderson won for one battle. I loved this speech. It was wonderful. We talked a lot about how he's a magpie and that he steals from everybody, and he's cited stealing from Shala McHale, also known as Jungle Pussy,

who's in a film in a pile of line from her, which appears on the note that Tiana Taylor's character writes, talked about Nina Simone, Thomas Pynchon, of course, whose novel he worked on, he adapted. So I thought that was a really, really good speech. Very low-key. PCA was very subdued tonight, very easygoing.

He cradled both awards like little babies. Yes, he said I got a G-G. Yeah. That's cute. It was a nice. It was a nice moment. I do think that he and Ryan Cougler are the strong front honors in those categories. Best performance by a female actor, musical, or comedy.

Now, you predicted Rose Byrne, and she did win. I picked it Emma Stone because I was like, I don't know what's going on here. Maybe this will happen. And as we discussed, Bagonia is rising. Well, it's just been very consistent at all of the various guilds. And I was just talking with my wife, Eileen, this morning. And she just watched it last night. She was like, that Bagonia, pretty good.

You know, she was like, just like any other person I met where it's like, I liked that a lot. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's very solid. And as you have pointed out, like Emma Stone is, you know, in the street zone. And if she, if she's in a movie, people are going to pay attention. She's really liked and respected in the industry. Yorgos Lantamost is also really liked and respected. Yes. Julie Roberts gave Emma Stone a kind of vague shout out.

Like Emma Stone, you're here. Awesome. You know, like, didn't even know what to say. Julia Roberts got her standing ovation for just being Julia Roberts. But Emma Stone, you know, working, she's trying to split the atom of Julia and Merrill. That's literally what she's trying to have in her career. I love her. Roseburn won, though, and I thought gave the speech in the night.

I thought her speech was sincere, nice, thoughtful, spoke to the film and how hard it was to make that film, which is a very small independent film. If I had likes, I'd kick you. And then just had some, like, daffy, funny stuff at the end of it. I mean, I wrote it down. The last thing she said was, I want to thank my husband, Bobby, Kennavali who couldn't be here because we're getting a bearded dragon and he went to a reptile Expo in New Jersey. So thank you, baby.

And then just walked her offstage as perfect. Very great moment. And also, you know, done with perfect comedic timing, even though she was, I think she was surprised and moved and like, but still found her way to talking about what it means for such a small film to win an award like this and the recognition and then, you know, Reptile Expo forever. She's been winning a lot. I know.

Now, let's talk about it when we talk about Jesse Buckley. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I also love that movie. I think it's an amazing achievement. It doesn't work without her. Obviously, the camera is on top of her face the whole time. I thought her shout out to Mary Bronson seem is really nice. You can see Mary Bronson has really moved in the audience. To me, this is the good of award shows. It's like, shine a light on a movie like this. Shine a light on sentimental value. Shine a light on a movie that you haven't heard of that you might be interested in. It's like, this is the upside. I have some notes for the Golden Glover. that we can talk about at the end of this show about what their value is and what their purpose is. Historically, they've been very receptive to those, so I think you should give them. No, the problem is they've been too receptive.

That's actually the issue is they've been listening, and I'm worried about that. But we'll keep going through these categories. So best performance by a male actor, musical, or comedy, I think this is where I was personally trying to manifest some drama. Okay. And I'm fascinated by there being

not the drama I thought there was going to be. So Timothy Chalmay won. He did. this category. And then he has given his second consecutive, fairly mild manner, very subdued, reserved, humbled speech. In this speech, he talked about how his dad taught him the importance of gratitude. Yes. He did, you know, would you say that something that you practice? I do. Do you? Yeah. I mean, I don't have a, to whom? I don't have a journal or anything, to myself primarily. Yes, of course you do. I'd like to thank myself for being myself.

No, no, being thankful for other things, but I don't really share it. I don't write it down. Do you keep a journal of any kind? Well, I have a dream journal in my mind. Sure, but you don't dream. That's why I have it here. That's when I'm sitting back and thinking of my dreams, I have to put them somewhere in the brain bin. He kind of made half a joke about, like, if you told young me that I'd be thanking Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank.

Yes. That was at the end of thanking everyone in the cast. But it was again, the energy has been turned way down. He's running from Marty Hauser. Yeah, he turned back into Elio from Call Me By Her Name. I'm like, what happened? All the swagger? He really, he turns it off.

Once the movie was a financial success, he was like, this is about keeping my head on straight and being a humble young man in the face of all of this adulation. Seems like it's going to work. I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely seems like he has a very, very, very good chance to win this race. I think so, too.

That is historically anomalous. It is extremely rare for a young man to win best actor. Sometimes you'll find guys in their 40s. You know, Killian Murphy just won for Oppenheimer recently after, you know, amassing a pretty good body of work. More often, it's an older actor who's been waiting a long time and getting their due. Leo had to wait a long time. He did. And this would be interesting.

We'll be talking about it a lot, obviously, for the next couple of months. But this is a big deal. This is a big win for him because, you know, he didn't win this last year either. Agent Brody won this at the Globes. And we thought, oh, maybe, you know, Timothy's going to come from behind because he won SAG. But so this, now he's got a Globe. He's got an actor award. And maybe soon an Oscar.

No, a critic's choice. He hasn't won. No, he won the SAG award last year. That was his speech for greatness. Oh, right. I thought you meant this year. No. But I think, but he's.

No, I mean, he won for a complete unknown. Right, right, right. So he's on his shelf now. Yeah. He has SAG, Critics Choice, Globe. But I do think for this year's SAG Awards, based on the. the nominees that we have, Wagner's not in the running because those are very American.

So you can, that is maybe trending Timmy's way, I think. This race is turning out to be, I've been trying to manifest the Leo win because it just feels right to me in some ways. And maybe I'm just kind of responding to what I know about Oscar history instead of what the Oscars are now. But his kind of non-competitiveness in this race

is kind of fascinating to me. The fact that I did share with you some odds over the weekend that I was looking at, which happened to be on polymarket, little did I know they would appear on the telecast tonight. And Timmy's way ahead. I mean, he's like 65%. And I think Leo was at like 20% over the weekend. So it's interesting. It kind of feels like the way we used to treat Leo and all these other races when he was nominated in the past. I was like, ah, he's not going to win. You'd be like, why not? Yeah. I don't know whether some of it is just that we are in like the Marty Supreme Surge right now. And it's been the month of Timmy. And the awards and all of the critics' bodies did, you know, coincide with that. I think that's right. And so one battle and is also like presumptive winner in so many categories that people are just kind of like, yeah, yeah, Leo, whatever. And sometimes that's just the timing of how these things shake out. It did feel like maybe Benio Del Toro or Sean Penn may have fallen victims of that as well.

Cinematic and box office achievement. Yeah. I picked Avatar. I don't know. I was playing fast and loose there. Sinners, which was, you know, a completely inspired pick by you and was right. And, uh, no, I don't, I don't, I don't love that being the only win besides score. You know, and the one other win not being on the telecast, it's like, it's not good.

It's not good. It's deeply insulting. The concept of this, of this award is insulting. The fact that this and score are the only two awards that sinners took tonight. Yes. Is insulting. Well, there's something really interesting and it's certainly ironic that a movie that was kind of, like, scolded and undermined around its box office potential in public by the trades and by

box office analysts went on to win this award, but also it kind of indicates this sort of what feels a little paternalistic and it's like, okay, you got your box office now, be happy with that quality. You know, there's no way to like definitively affirm that that is what is going on. But it feels that way from the outside when you see this be the only major award that this film, which is going to end up having a lot of Oscar nominations and, is, you know, another kind of link in the chain of what Cooghler is building. But, like, you saw Coogler on stage give his speech. He's the fucking man.

Everybody loves him. Like, him and Chloe Zhao shouting him out because they're old friends because they were worked at the Sundance Labs together, like 15 years ago. He is a very beloved figure. But stuff like this where it's like a weird cabal of people and they're like, yeah, we'll give sinners this weird award. Yeah. Just kind of left a sour taste in my mouth.

Agree. Best director. Paul Thomas Anderson won again. We both predicted this. this is not surprising. I was trying to do a lot of math strategy around what this category is going to look like at the Oscars because we got all these guild results.

So we talked about this on the pre-show. If you heard it already, I apologize. But at DGA, the nominees were Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Coogler, Guillermo del Toro, Chloe Zhao, and Josh Safdi. Yes. It's very exciting for Josh Safdi. We were pumped for him.

We want him to get into this category. Yo-Kim Trir and Jafar Panahi were nominated tonight. Safdi was not nominated. And as you said, it was just an accident got blanked. Sentimental value only won one award. Yoheem Trir made the shortlist for BAFTA, but Giermo Del Toro and Jafar Panahi did not. Yes.

And so it definitely seems like there's a world where Josh Safdi gets in, but more likely, as you pointed out, DGA usually gets four out of five, right? And then there's usually an international film that comes in. But maybe it was just an accident. It is not as strong as we thought. Yeah. Maybe it's your Kim Trier. Or maybe now everyone gets their, like, gets to be in their bonnet and it's like, no, no, no, what about, it was just an accident?

What about sentimental value, which has a lot of support? Does. Like, especially among, it was in all the directors' favorite movie of the year list over and over and over again. So until, you know, 813 local time tonight, I was like, oh, so maybe the four out of five. will be Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Cougler, Del Toro, and Josh Safdi, and then Chloe Zhao's out. And then, of course, you know, and so I know that's wrong. Yeah. I'll tell you who's vulnerable right now.

Yeah. You might not think it, but Frankenstein had zero wins tonight. I know. It's very strange. And Del Toro, not on the BAFTA long list, which is 10 filmmakers, is odd. Mm-hmm. Very odd. And him getting into DGA is not shocking because he has a tremendous amount of support in America.

He's obviously a Mexican filmmaker, but he has been working in America for a very long time. And, you know, he has a whole community of other directors. He's like James Cameron's best friend who's a filmmaker. Right. He talked about that on the town with Matt. And so that's kind of an interesting one to parse out. I look forward to seeing what happens on the 22nd with that one,

because that fifth slot could be any number of films and might be indicative of other aspects of the race. PTA1 gave a great speech. Lovely. You know, he dedicated this speech to, two people if you heard me talk about how one battle after another got made

on our one battle mailbag episode about how his long relationship with Mike Deluca kind of allowed for a movie like this to come along some 30 years after they made boogie nights together he talked in depth about how Deluca has been an avid supporter of his a kind of benefactor in some ways

for many of his films over the years and then he went on to thank Adam Sumner to whom one battle is dedicated That's a longtime assistant director who worked with Stevens Spielberg and PTA and a number of other people and died last year very tragically. And so I thought that was also a very nice speech. Yeah, it was lovely. Best motion picture animated. The winner was Elio.

It was really exciting. Congrats to the producers of Elio. Yeah. No, it was K-pop Demon Hunters. Oh, right. Yeah. Right. That's great.

Ted Sarando stood up, standing ovation. for that one. Wow. Yeah. Thank you to Sony Pictures Animation as well. Best Motion Picture Non-English Language. Now, you chose a secret agent? I did.

I chose it was just an accident. Yes. I think we both had the same thought, which is like, it was just an accident that has to get a big win here. Right. I mean, it was nominated in so many categories,

and it did win the Palm Door. Like, it is sort of strange that it got blanked. Yes. So this was my thinking here. Yeah. It was also very sound. and the Secret Asian, of course, did win. Yes.

It has now won the New York Film Critics Circle Award for International Non-English Language, the Los Angeles Film Critics, the National Society of Film Critics, critics, critics choice, and globes. This is, if you had told me the day after Cannes ended, even though that this film won best director,

Claibor Mendoza Filio won best director, and did Wagner more also win best actor? Ken, I think he did. Even still, he did. I would have thought either the Palm Door winner or the Grand Prix winner would be the frontrunner in this race. And the secret agent is the frontrunner in international right now. And that is very interesting. Clyber gave a speech that I thought was quite good.

And just as it was starting to get going, they started playing him off. It was the only time someone was truly played off tonight. Yeah. And that was really rude. It was really lame. Yeah. I don't, I, all of the choices that kind of like cut out the celebration of film and filmmakers suck tonight. And they got to do something about that. Any other thoughts about secret agent winning?

Brazil. Yeah. You fear it, but you respect it. I do. I acknowledge it. Yes. It's a large land mass. Underestimated at your peril.

Yes. Do you think Mian will go five for five in this category at the Oscars? No. Okay. If I had to put money on it, I would probably put the voice of Hendra Job in this category. Okay. Yeah. And say either one of Sirot or.

No Other Choice are out. Okay. But I don't know. All right. How do you feel? I think neon is very good at this category. I think. And I do wonder whether this is like the conclusion of neon gaming, the international feature category, and then they redo it.

But like no disrespect. Like they've... I love what they're doing with getting these films in front of people. It's really cool. I was mentioning they know other choice did really good business this weekend. You know it was on like over 2,000 screens. It made almost $4 million. Like it's doing really well.

And I want for that. I do think it's a little weird to go to canon just buy every movie you think's going to win the palm and be like, we're going to put all these out and it's going to be okay and then they all compete against each other all year long. It's a little weird? I mean, I say that more as like we've talked about

how they need to redo international feature as a category. I don't think it should be one film for country, yeah. I completely agree. But so that maybe, you know, neon's strategy has brought a lot of wonderful films. And I hope they keep doing that. And then maybe we also then redo that category slightly.

Best performance by a female actor in a drama. Yeah. Jesse Buckley was predicted by both of us and she won. Yes, she did. She gave a nice speech. Very sincere. She seemed surprised, which is a little hard to believe. Yeah, she was visibly shaking in one of the camera

angles. I think it is probably pretty stressful to get up in front of all of those people and know that you're being watched by millions more and have to give a speech. I see. I would find it. stressful. You think you'll win a Golden Globe? I don't, actually. Because I don't really, I don't know if I have a spare I think a note of that. I don't, I don't have a spare, what is it, 5,000 or what of the submission fee? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's going to preschool. I'm looking forward to being on stage next year. You'll be winning? What will you be winning for? Us three. Oh, wow. Oh, for best podcast. Rainer goes back to back. You think they'll be submitting us? Yes, and I will be the one accepting the award, of course. accept that. I'm down with that, Jack. If we win, if we win, it is my solemn promise to you, you will be the only person who speaks. Okay. Sounds good. Buckley versus Roseburn. I mean, I think we know it's going to be Buckley, but I'm loving the Roseburn. I mean, if it's a sudden, I mean, this is not an exact comparison, but if, was it Olivia Coleman defeating Glenn Close, you know, where it's at the last moment.

And then Olivia Coleman just yelling, Lady Gaga is the last thing she said before she went off the stage. You know, there's a similar Coleman Rose Bird energy to it. That's one of the great speeches. She points in her husband being like, you're going to cry. You know, so maybe you could have a late breaker in that way. Okay. But you think, Buckley all the way down. I think at this moment, were I placing money, which I'm not allowed to do because I'm a resident of California.

Yeah. And also I do this job. But also an employee of Polly Market, yes. I meant to say earlier, I'm pretty sure there's a legal wraparound gray area thing where people in California can place waivers on Polly Market. I'm not positive, but I think so. You mean Polly Market is going around the law in some way? I am saying that. Jack, I'm shocked. This is not a gambling podcast. The predictions are for fun.

We're not advising anyone spend any money on these things. We are merely talking with very strained and often inaccurate expertise. I think, well, one of the things I liked related to this category was Julia Robert shouting out Ava Victor. That was also a legitimately cool thing. And another example of an extremely famous person showing love to a less famous person who made an indie film. She was doing it literally after the envelope had been open. And she knew who had won.

She was full Julia, I would say, in that moment. It's powerful. And we do, there's a reason that everyone stood up. I mean, I think we do all yearn for it. But she was like really. Do you think they were standing because of the message of After the Hunt? They were like, thank you for being so brave to tell us. We all understood what that epilogue was about.

If you had an affair with an older man as a young girl, you should definitely tape a photo of him to the bottom of your bathroom. sink. That is the major takeaway. And also when you have major ulcers and then are exposed and fired, you should go back to the Indian restaurant in New Haven with your nemesis and have an inconclusive tete-a-tete. What an insane movie. If the if the makers of that film came and they sat down next to us and they said, we think this movie is so funny and we made it as a very arch satire. I would accept that and enjoy it more. Okay.

If there's any part of any of them, it was like, we made points. Some points were made. As soon as Luca Guadino and Julia Roberts sit down in between us. They've both been on this show. I know, but if they sat down together, whatever they say about that movie,

we're like, uh-huh, you're totally right. That's where you want them to sit. I want to get drunk with both of that. And then go shopping. Best performance by a male actor drama. Now, you were right on the money with this. I think I was definitely searching for some sort of mystery. Again, that swerve that I was thinking of by choosing Michael B. Jordan.

There's nothing in the math that would have told me Michael B. Jordan was going to win here. But I was like, another famous person to get on stage. This could be a cool moment. But, of course, Wagner-Mor did win. He did. Give a very nice speech. Gave a Brazilian dedication at the end. You know, I think he's thought to be in third place in this race.

If he had been nominated for a SAG award, I would have said after this win, he's in second place. Okay. SAG not super predictive because of its bias against non-English language films. I mentioned on the live show that for the Ensemble Award, they have only nominated one non-English speaking, one non-English language film in Best Ensemble in the last five years.

And that film was Amelia Perez. So SAG is not predictive at all in these categories anymore. So Wagner Moore is still in the game. Yeah. He gave a good speech. Looked very good. Like that suit. Oh, yeah.

No, he always looks amazing. Like incredibly solid. I was just looking at. Glenn Close did win for the wife in this category. At the Golden Globes. At the Screen Actors Guild. Yeah. So, you know, it can still.

You just circle back to that seven minutes later. Well, I'm just, it's like there are people who win everything and then out comes Olivia Coleman, you know? Yeah. This is genuinely quite. It's stressful. I don't know if I've ever heard you do British. What a moment.

I've just watched that particular speech so many times I can remember the intonation. Oh, okay. That was great. Some voice work from you. My goodness. I won't be doing Wagner-Borris voice. He's too silky. Best motion picture musical or comedy.

One battle after another was predicted by both of us. It was. I don't think any other film had a chance here. How sad that Richard Linklater had to compete against himself in this category. Canceling himself out. going to you Marty Supreme, no other choice. We're not truly contending here. I like what you said about Marty Supreme,

we're being right in the thick of that moment, though, and I'm very pleased with how successful the movie has been. It's really doing quite well at the box office. I've loved the moment. Let's keep the moment going. Let's keep the moment going. Now let's talk about Bashmo's in picture drama. Okay.

Yeah. I predicted sinners. You predicted it was just an accident. Listen, I was trying something. We opened the show by talking about how Hamnet won. Mm-hmm. Hamnet one. It did.

Hamnet versus one battle. you think one battle is still strong. Right. And Hamlet won and the first person to speak was producer Steven Spielberg, which I understand. You lectured me in the room and you'll lecture me again about how it's tradition that producers accept and give the speech for the best picture or best drama or whatever. Let's talk about the word lecture for a second. I merely communicated facts. This was not an extended monologue. Right.

It was less than 30 seconds. It was less than 20 seconds. There was something in your manner. But there's always something in my manner. And that's why I always respond to you in the way that I do. I understand that this is the precedent. Like many precedents in our world, I think it's time to break it. And let's, we got to stop.

Even though it's Steven Spielberg. The Federal Reserve is trying to uphold the rule of law right now. We're not breaking precedence, okay? The Senate needs to step up. They need to do what's right here. And you need to relax and let the Golden Globes continue. to give awards to producers. I was happy to see Steven Spielberg.

I like him as well. But it is a little disorienting also when it is someone as well known for his own body of work. And someone who has received like a thousand awards to be up there accepting the first person accepting award for him. I was just like, sir, let the other people hold a statue. Yeah. Anyway, I think I just. I did get a chance to speak. She did.

And she gave a nice speech. And as you said, she, you know, mentioned something. that Paul Meskell had said to her and they had a very nice moment. He didn't even say anything, but he's just an emotive treasure. And I'm a big fan. I would just,

across all awards shows, producers, you know, smile and let other people speak. When Steven Spielberg won best picture for Schindler's list, the other producers were Gerald R. Molen and Bronco Lustig.

Yeah. And Steven Spielberg spoke first. Okay, well Put that out there Okay I don't really think Hamnet's going to happen but I think that there's a campaign to be run here

for sure Okay, and you are now in charge of it You've been hired Congratulations you are Captain Hamnet And why don't you tell people What your strategy is To bring this searing work

About the power of connection And ghost dead children To the world at large These very cute little I'll tell you, I'll give you my tagline. Here it is, love has no equal. That's exactly the kind of thing that they do. That is some chat GPT shit that I've never.

One masterpiece after another. Incredible. You know what? We were on planes recently. We got to go, we can, we shared on the pre-show, why we're in New York, we're in New York for opening night of bug, written by Tracy Letts, starring Carrie Coon on Broadway. It ruled.

It was so wonderful. We were so lucky to be there. We also got to, I got to observe the plane watching habits of people to and from New York, a lot of sentimental value, a lot of weapons. But I also observed a new thing, which is people using chat GPT visibly on their computers and me just reading what they're doing. Because if you're- That's not new, but that's new to you, I think. Use it. Well, I mean, I'm always looking at what people are doing on their computers.

If you're on your computer on your plane, it's not a secure. That's true. It's not secure. It's an open network. I'm sorry. That's just how it is. Stop looking at porn on planes, people. But the, just like a, I saw a lot of chat GPT usage on these flights.

And it was always to be like, can you explain this news story to me? Sure. I was just like, this is we, we like, we have hit rock bottom. Yeah, that's literally what it was. And it was like a lot of images. I can't believe this is what people are doing. Anyway, yes, that sounds like a chat GPT slogan that you wrote on. plane.

And congratulations on your Oscar, I guess. Right here with my extremely powerful mind. All right. Which many are calling, uh, uh, yep. So you think, so you think there's a campaign to be run. I do. I do. I mean, I, to the point that we've been making about Shakespeare in love versus

saving private Ryan, the sort of like the masculine cinematic achievement, the like, the long time hero of bro cinema against. a story of family and grief and the act of creativity, which is really what Hamnet is. Sure. Whether you like it or not, subjectively. They are similar and they are different, right? Their movies about families.

Their movies about loss. They're movies about the absence of critical figures in your life. And what comes out of that? Like, what is born out of that kind of loss? And so they're this, you know, fun house mirror images of each other. I will say something that I have been hearing a lot from just is like people I've been talking to and people who listen to the show are like, I'm afraid to watch Hamnet. Like, do I have to? I don't want to.

Like, maybe I just don't have to experience it. And I do wonder if there is. Artists are not like that. Okay. I don't think. All right. You think artists are like laid on me. Okay.

Like artists are like that. But artists and academy voters, it's, you know, it's not like a one-to-one overlap. Yeah. It's interesting. Chloe Shaw's just general reputation is fascinating. She's obviously won best picture already and best director. It does feel a bit like Nomadlands's kind of memory hold because it was the first best picture after, you know, in the midst of the pandemic. And that's a movie that I've always liked and I've always defended.

And I like her as a filmmaker despite the Eternals debacle. There was a lot about Hamlet that I didn't like. And there was a lot that I did like. And so to me, I don't view it as like the enemy of the season, but I have so much affection for one battle. Yeah. And I loved sinners too. So. And I was nuts from Marty Supreme.

Right. And so like Hamnet like kind of, you know, mousing its way to the top is not what I want to see as a fan. But it wouldn't stun me. You have to see it's in the realm of possibility. Absolutely. Yes. It's in the realm of possibility.

Again, this is not a gambling podcast. But I, once I circumvent the rules of the state of California and place my polymarket bets, I'm not. putting them on Hamnet at this moment. Let me just think back to the year when Oppenheimer was the big dog. The musical or comedy winner that year was poor things, which we never considered having a chance. Oppenheimer was a total behemoth. And the other contenders that year, including Barbie, just didn't, were not really stacking up in the race.

It has felt like won battle is obviously a lot like Oppenheimer. But poor things won in musical or comedy over Barbie. And Barbie got the comedy. So Hamnet is not unlike the poor things of this year in that sinners took the box office award and then they gave something slightly more, quote, unquote, prestigious in corsets. Yes.

The best drama or best picture award. I'm glad you framed that that way. That leads to kind of my entree, like our mere final discussion here, which is kind of what is this award show right now? Because for three consecutive years, we've jumped on after the nominations were announced. And maybe me more than you. But I've kind of consistently been like, so this is just like a critics group giving away awards to cool movies.

And that is a good thing. And like I said, I love the idea of Roseburn winning on national television for a movie. Like if I had like I kick you. And if people go seek it out, that's wonderful. Ava Victor getting a shout out. That's great. You know, Ryan Cougler getting to speak at length on television, regardless of whatever award he's winning. That's great.

But it feels very same same right now. It feels very like kind of one critic's body after another. Like everything is very similar. And this includes one battles, you know, epic success, which I root for, but I also think is kind of dull. And a lot of my picks, as I said, were kind of this gesture of like, can we break the wheel of how this season has been going? And there were a couple, right? Stirl and Scarsguard was a shift. Right.

But aside from that, not a lot to inspire confidence that this award show does anything other than calcify, rather than redefine. Yeah. I would put it a different way, which is that we're basically just platforming the award season now. And these things start small and with us and limited release and with critics groups and they start to get some attention.

And hopefully you get people. in the, you get a centers, or you even get a Marty Supreme, but that this is the stage where you suddenly, you put, if I had legs, I'd kick you in front of a larger audience. You put Hamnet, I guess, in front of a growing audience. And, and it really is that the show, we make a lot of fun of the show of the Golden Globes, I think rightfully so, as like a foreplay, you know, a paid, a pay to play environment. And it, I mean, it is like, it's, it's, it's, it's everything is on display. And they've added, you know, more categories to just try to get more. There are TV people there just because you also want TV things. So it really is just like, here are wares. And I guess the state of movies in particular are such that, I don't know, you get shiny things. And then hopefully people then do also pay attention to the, if I had legs, I'd kick you and the sorry babies and the somethings of the world. But it's really just functioning as advertising at this point.

Yeah, I think it always was, but there's no chaos, I think, is the thing that I'm looking for. I think I'm looking, and chaos doesn't have to automatically mean Jared Letto in the little things, right? It doesn't have to mean something that's buffoonish, you know? Right. It could be, this is a show where weapons wins awards. Okay. You know, it could be this is a show where F1 wins awards. That would be considered a little bit more ridiculous maybe, but, like, I think it's an opportunity to change up and be a little bit.

different. And I guess last year was a little bit different, right, because the Brutalist did win two awards and Enora was not as dominant and that ultimately had no impact. So I don't want to overstate my concern. But I think in terms of the films that are identified and supported what the nominees turned out to be, the fact that there are six nominees in categories instead of five. It means the pool is really wide. There's kind of like very few people get cut out of these races now. Yeah. And... So what you're saying is you wish Kate Hudson had won over Roseburn. I didn't say that. But I like that movie. That's a small movie.

That's not a big movie. I know. That's not wicked for good. That's a, you know, a family drama. That's something that we identified as like a classic, a golden globes of your win. It's like, you know, a galia loves singing in a movie. That's why it's globesy. And it's kind of got like a little, it feels like a sheen on it.

But then you watch the movie and it's about like poor people living in the middle of the country trying to survive. Like it's not, it's an awards movie ultimately. So I like that they're identifying those films. I like that they're celebrating the movies that we also like. I hope this doesn't seem incoherent. I think it's just a little bit more fun when there's a little differentiation. And I am starting to feel an agglomeration around award season. And that may be why I think I just get a little bored through part of it.

And part of it is because I'm thinking about it too much. Yeah. I think for most people, they're kind of logging on right now. And they're like, oh, okay. And last. Rose Byrne made a movie? Yeah. Cool.

I like her. What's that about? Yeah. Is it like neighbors? Sort of. In a way. Any closing thoughts on this show tonight? I liked the soundtrack.

Do we know who DJed? DJ Khalid. Okay. He did a great job. I got to laugh out of Jack on that one. You got to laugh out of me too. I laugh. Thanks.

Yeah, it was a really, really good soundtrack if you are the DJ at a pool at a hotel in Miami. Just absolutely perfect. No, they're playing like the Cerat. Sorry, I meant a senior citizens hotel at a pool in Miami. At Amanda's 42nd birthday party. What are you doing for your birthday? It's eight months from now.

Yeah, you'll be on vacation, apparently, so. I'm thinking about it, yeah. It might be in New York at that time. Okay. But what are you going to do without me? Yeah, you know, tequila shots and, uh, and, uh, and ushers, yeah, you know, ATL, baby. Yes. when I think of ATL, I think of you, dancing.

So we have an auction later this week. We do. Our first auction of the year. Have you thought it all about the results of last year? Oh, yeah, I got absolutely host. And I didn't even get absolutely host. I host myself. Yes.

And that's fine. Listen, we have to make choices. Okay. You're losing it now. It's coming apart. You were held strong for a while. It is 9.37 p.m. We spent the morning at a toddler birthday party.

There was a bounce house. I went out last night. Yes. I was this close to Benici-Onda-Dorra. You were in New York 48 hours ago. Yeah, but no. So back to the auction. I've obviously in, you know, quiet moments.

Hold it together. We're almost there. Sought about what happened. Uh-huh. Sought about where I quote-unquote went wrong. Uh-huh. This is like a woman talking about her divorce. Uh-huh.

But, you know, just like to really bring it back to like... This is you in therapy, right? Like the Pinterest. Like the Pinterest. You're like laughing through talking after every event of your life? You think I ever cried in therapy? Then he really don't understand my emotional state. But to bring it back to like the Pinterest, you know, slogans or whatever, I wouldn't take anything back, you know?

Yes, we know. You don't apologize for being an idiot. I had to make the choices I needed to make for me. I think all of us made mistakes. We will recap the mistakes that we made and the successes that we had with the auction and we'll auction off new movies. I do like the rules that we invented last year. I think we'll stick with those rules. Oh, I hated them.

Okay. Well, you failed at them. So that's why you don't like sprung them on me. And then I was like, well, now I got it. You know, I just like, I don't care what all the Thunderbolts kids want to see or whatever. The Thunderbolts kids? Yeah, all the children who are like, we're going to see Thunderbolts. That is not a sector of people.

You just made that up. I just, I want to, I want to make my choice. Okay. We got to take Amanda back to the recharge factory. She just run out of gas. So I just, I want to live by my truth. Okay. Jack, what was your favorite moment from the night?

Oh, man. Was it the five minutes when we talked about whether Kyle Tucker's going to the Mets? That was by far my favorite. moment of the night. Yeah, that was pretty good. Do you think that's going to happen? Just put it on the record right now. Yes or no, Kyle Tucker to the Mets. No. I agree. Where does he play now? He was a Chicago Cub, long time Houston Astro. He's an outfielder. Okay. A very good baseball player. A cheater? I believe that predates his time with the Astros. Or he may have been in the farm system at that point. Okay. Very, very talented hitter. And we sure could use him because right now we are

dog shit. Okay. It's, we can't really start talking when spring training? Six weeks. Oh, okay. That's nice. Coming up pretty soon. Less than six weeks. Pitchers and catchers, 25 days.

Wow. Right? Don't they need to rest their shoulders a little more? Well, the Mets have been sitting for some time. They did not qualify for the playoffs this year, so they should be ready to go. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Amanda, thanks to you. Thanks, John.

You really, you stepped up big time. Hang in there, Mama. We'll see you guys later this week.