The Big Picture - The 24 Most Anticipated Movies of 2024

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

Sean and Amanda discuss the new release ‘Society of the Snow’ (1:00) before sharing their 24 most anticipated movies of 2024, including blockbuster releases like ‘Dune: Part Two’ and ‘Furiosa’ (12:00). Then, Chris Ryan joins to recount the plot of ‘Night Swim’ in a follow-up to the time when he and Sean explained the plot of ‘Barbarian’ to Amanda, who has not seen either film (1:08:00). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, everybody? It's Austin Rivers from Off Guard, and I've got some exciting news. Off Guard, hosted by me and my guy Pasha Higigi, is officially moving to our own podcast feed. We are now dropping two shows every week. Me and Pasha go way back and talk so much hoops already that we figured it was time to fire up the mics and let you in on these conversations. Every week, Pasha and myself will hit on the biggest stories happening around the league. Tap into the show twice a week on our new OffGuard feed, on Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sean Fennessey.

I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the most anticipated movies of the year. Today on the show, Amanda and I are picking the movies we're most looking forward to in 2024. Later in this episode, I will encourage you strongly to stick around because Chris Ryan will be joining me and Amanda. And we're going to do something that we did once before with the film Barbarian, where we talked you through all of the plot mechanics and details of a horror film.

In this case, it is the Blumhouse January installment Night Swim. We've already recorded that segment and it was a lot of fun. So please stick around. But first, we do have to talk about a new movie. A new movie that has just hit the Netflix streaming service. That may be a dark horse candidate at the Academy Awards. Maybe even a Best Picture candidate. I don't think so, but maybe.

I think that there are too many just on the bubble. Academy Awards, maybe even a Best Picture candidate. I don't think so, but maybe. I think that there are too many just on the bubble right now, and it's too late in the process. There is often an international release late surge in the race, but we have like five of those. Last year, we saw All Quiet on the Western Front, also from Netflix, kind of come out of nowhere in the last few months of the year to take a spot in the Best Picture race. This year, it could be Society of the Snow. This is the new film from J.A. Bayona, former guest of the podcast. He directed one of the Jurassic Park films. I can't remember which one, and I'm not going to try to embarrass myself once again. He also directed two very good films, The Orphanage and The Impossible. And this movie is more in the lineage of those films this is a movie that we've

actually seen in movie form before sort of the story uh which is about the 1972 andy's flight disaster for the um uruguayan rugby team for our rugby team um which crashed in the andes and then the survivors had to find a way to persist through this crash. The 1992 film Alive captured this story, a film starring Ethan Hawke, though wildly changed the true details of what transpired, not including any South American actors, as I recall. This film does the opposite of that. This is a wildly accurate retelling based on a book

that has a lot of testimony and stories from the survivors of the crash. And the film itself is quite a detailed portrayal of what they endured. What did you think of Society of the Snow? I really enjoyed it. I saw it in a theater, which allowed me to enjoy the cinematography and the vistas it is filmed much of it in mountains and it's very beautiful and they are able to frame these tiny people against these giant mountains to great effect there's one just like really jaw-dropping and you're sort of like stomach drops reveal that,

that happens. That is just like what's on the other side of a mountain. So I really enjoyed that. It's really harrowing as I believe the, the real events were and pretty long because they were stuck there for a very long time. And as you said, it goes into excruciating detail about how they survived.

But yeah, I thought this was a pretty gripping survivalist story. Also a period piece. And I thought all of the 1970s elements were rendered quite stylishly. Everybody has their scarves on until the end. But yeah, I would absolutely recommend this. Very, very well-made movie. Bayona is a really serious filmmaker. It's so weird that he made a Jurassic Park movie when you look at a film like this, because this kind of epic scale disaster kind of film, very difficult to pull off credibly. The film, this seems like a really glib thing to say about a real world tragedy,

but the film really stretches out its story. It's once the plane has crashed, which you know is coming if you know what the film is about. Yeah. Um, the crash is harrowing and expertly staged the first 10 minutes in the aftermath of it. You're like, wow, this is truly the nightmare of nightmares. Like there is, there's no way to communicate with the outside world. The world is hidden from this part of the world

at this time of year because of the snow cover. And then you're 40 minutes through and obviously there are decisions made by the survivors to survive. But it really, really makes you sit in their agony and in their confusion and in their inability to really figure out how to get free to find salvation um i would say just a little bit too long for me personally because

i agree it it is quite long and it does sit with all of those decisions but i would also say this is a film that is more about how they did it than like practically than psychologically and you know and it's it's a big cast of characters you know because the whole plane went went um crashed and so they can't spend too much time on any one person's internal struggle and it doesn't like quite it so they decide to do it collectively, which is probably the right decision for the story, but you don't get into some of the, like... And certainly some of, like, the aftermath

of the decisions that they make and their experience. There are, like, lead figures, but no lead star, so to speak. And you're right that the... A lot of times in a movie like this you have one character whose psychology you are closely tracking right and there are a couple who we have deeper relationships with too or who are identified as like the leader of the group

but it's an expansive ensemble of mostly actors you've never seen before and so in that way too it's a little bit hard to hook in at times that being said final 15 minutes of this movie is like amazing you are with it so deeply and emotionally still really gripping and i left with more questions and wanting to know more but not because the film failed me because it raises the question and i was like oh this is so interesting and i'd like to know about this and i'd like to know about that so it's i it's not that something's missing it's just the point of emphasis for how they're telling the story. Yeah, for how they're telling the story. I agree with you.

I think it's like your classic, I need to look at the Wikipedia page of this event. Yeah, I know. I looked at like 45 Wikipedia pages. Yeah, it's a truly remarkable story. And it's a good film. I think its timing is interesting. It does feel like they are very self-consciously

at Netflix trying to replicate the All Quiet on the Western Front effect by releasing it at this time sort of after all of the sturm und drang of the awards season. You know,

it's like this movie is kind of going to be able to own this weekend I would say and I would encourage people to check it out whether or not it actually makes a dent

we shall see. I think it's going to be certainly competing in international feature. It was Spain's selection for international feature and it feels like it has a very good chance to do well there up against you know the likes of the zone of interest and the taste of things and the front runners in that category

so people should check that out it's cool that a movie that is this good netflix had a really good slate of movies this year i was looking ahead as we prepare to talk about what's coming and i don't really have a good feel for what their big tentpole prestige movies are in 24. I think we only have one or two of them on our list in full here. But when you look back on what they did between the films that they developed and produced and the films that they acquired, they put out some good stuff. And I don't know if the sands are shifting or what or what their chase for oscar is and more and this is gonna sound craven and i i don't mean that on the part of anyone but they in this strikes just had a lot of things on ice and and put them out anyway and so you know at the festivals i feel like i saw almost like exclusively

netflix movies and they didn't have waivers and they were you know at the heart of those strikes but they just kind of soldiered along and so it's but it seems like they spent a lot of the they put everything they have out rustin yeah may december maestro they could have sat on some of those movies right you know they should have sat on rebel moon but they didn't. They just forged ahead. You excited about this year, movies? Ish? Yes, I am excited.

Yeah. I think we all have really good, like, intriguing properties in front of us. You don't agree? No, I do. I mean, you took some of the most interesting ones, as always. Damn. But that's okay. I left you with so many. No, I mean, we have, a lot of interesting things. Last year, our last year lists are amazing because we are like pretty

much spot on, right? Yeah. Now I wanted to ask you if you think that we're spot on or if we're just like echo chambering our way into taste. You know what I mean? Oh, no. Where it's like, I will tell myself that I will like this and then I will like this. I don't think that's the case, but I think that that's what people think about us. No, well, that's fine. Yeah, I will tell myself that I will like this, and then I will like this. I don't think that's the case, but I think that that's what people think about us, honestly. No, well, that's fine. Yeah, I agree. I don't care about that. It's just there were more things where I knew I was interested in them, and many of them panned out for me the way that I wanted them to.

Why don't you read your 11 from 23? Sure. So 11 was Creed 3. 10 was Air. We all know my incredibly complicated feelings on that. 9, Maestro. Ditto. Can I just say something about Maestro? Yeah.

I think Maestro is good, and my feelings were misconstrued. Okay. In having a long and complicated, and I thought good conversation. We had a long and complicated and good conversation. But I come out the other side of it, and I say Maestro is good. Okay. Okay. Okay. Unfortunately, that's not true because the internet has dubbed it the worst film of all time.

Well, that's crazy. People are crazy. It's definitely good. Is it? Is that flaws? Yes. It's incredibly well made. And there are like, there is a lot of impressive stuff in it, which we said from the beginning.

Like, I still, the central why of the the film i think it's the right question is it and it's engaging me i'm still thinking about it i'm still trying to puzzle it out a useful work of art then you know there you go okay anyway uh eight you hurt my feelings good movie seven magic mike's last dance you know i liked that they did it. I should have put that opening scene on my scenes of the year list. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. Wait, the dance with Selma? Yeah.

Six, Leave the World Behind. Loved it. Yeah. Great. Five, Napoleon. I had a great time. Four, Priscilla. Absolutely.

Three, Challengers was delayed. Two, Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1 had a wonderful time. Didn't appreciate your review of this movie. I'm just putting that back out there. I don't...

The most angry I was with you this year was when you would not go full Mission Impossible. No, that's actually, that's not true.

That was when I compared Oppenheimer to being the Ricardos. Oh, yeah. That was the silliest moment of the year on the podcast, for sure.

I don't know if I was angry about that. I wanted you to just do the halo jump with me and Tom. That's what I wanted you to do. Yeah, I mean, I loved it. And you're like, oh, the entity, I don't know. Well, I don't know about the entity. Joe Biden told us it could happen. That's great.

I can't even. It explained to a geriatric man that computers might harm us. I'm getting close to him, so. Number one was Barbie. Yeah. Good film. Yeah. Last year, I cited A Knock at the Cabinet 12, M. Night Shyamalan's film, which I liked.

Number 11, The Iron Claw. In retrospect, maybe it should have been even higher. Number 10 was How Do You Live? Heretofore known as The Boy and the Heron in the United States, which is a wonderful movie. Number nine, Ant-Man and the Lost Quantumania, which is very funny. Again, not that bad. It is probably the movie that kind of closed the book. It broke everybody else, but I was just kind of like, that's Corey Stoll with a large head. That was amusing. I enjoyed MODOK and I will not apologize. Number eight, Ferrari.

Very good movie. Number seven, Asteroid City. Even better movie. Number six, Oppenheimer. Even better movie. Number five, The Zone of Interest. Excellent film. Oh.

Not even better. Number four, Dune Part 2, which we did not get, alas. Number three, Bo is Afraid. Wildly underrated. Agree. A true vision. Agree.

Number two, The Killer. My dad asked me over Christmas, should he see Bo is Afraid? I think so. And I did as two, The Killer. My dad asked me over Christmas, should he see Bo as Afraid? I think so. And I did as well, but I was like, I as your daughter,

I can't actually be recommending it to you. As a daughter of a father? Well, I was just kind of like, there needs to be

some distance between you and me and this movie. Yeah, that's a good idea. And also, he hated Hereditary. Ooh,

then maybe you don't see it. Right, so that's what I said to him, but I was like, I kind of admired it. If you think Hereditary. Ooh, then maybe you don't see it. Right. So that's what I said to him. But I was like, I kind of admired it. If you think Hereditary is funny, then you should definitely watch Bo's Afraid. Okay. That's my take on that. If you don't like Hereditary.

Well, my dad's not listening to this, so. Okay. Well, so be it. Did he like The Killer? I don't know that he's seen it yet because it's on Netflix off month for him. As you know, my dad is like the world's number one churn guy, but he's like, he's basically like you with his spreadsheets being like, when will I get my maximum value? So we've asked him to review Maestro. Um, my, my dad is a huge, like was a classical musician himself, very knowledgeable and also just doesn't have

patience for this sort of stuff. So I can't wait. And I don't think he's going to like Maestro. I don't either, but don't you want to know what he has to say? Yes, I do. Let's call him up as soon as he finishes. Well, I don't know because when he'll finish it, because right now it's an off month for Netflix. So we'll see him in February. It might be till April, you know? The Killer was number two for me. And number one was Killers of the Flower Moon, which of course is a masterpiece. Let's do our list.

Who wants to go first? Me or you? We both have 12 films, though technically I cheated on one. Yeah. I actually cheated on two, but that's one is more defensible. Why don't you decide who goes first? I'll go first. Okay.

I feel like I often make you go first. My number 12 is Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Now, I was speaking with Chris Ryan about this last night. I love the Planet of the Apes films, especially Matt Reeves' two movies that he made for the revival of that franchise.

I love all the Planet of the Apes movies. I think it's one of the coolest, most creative, weird franchises we've ever had in movie history. It's going to be hard to follow up the last two, especially the last one, which is really, really good and really smart. Wes Ball is directing this. Do you know what movies he directed? I do not.

The Maze Runner films. Oh, right. But are those the ones that Chris likes? They are. So I was thinking about this, and I'm just going to proffer a theory that somewhat represents our standing in the long arc of aging through movie experience, which is when the Maze Runner films, Divergent, especially The Hunger Games, to a lesser extent, Fifty Shades of Grey. There were a couple of more examples.

Twilight, of course, probably the signature example. There were these waves of micro teen targeted franchises through from roughly like 2008 through 2015, 2014. And they were solid business for Hollywood. And I saw a lot of them, but I didn't take very many of them seriously. And I try to take seriously the stuff that people don't take seriously often, but for whatever reason, I kind of, I skipped a couple or I missed some, didn't really think about how they would impact Hollywood. And then the huge success of the Hunger Games prequel, which I didn't think was very good, but a lot of young people really, really liked, indicates to me that we have to pay closer attention to that little micro era of movies,

because the filmmakers, the actors, the IP is going to now resonate as those people get older. The same way when we look at the 90s and the early 2000s, we're like this set the stage for what happened through the 2010s. That's now going to be the case here. So obviously it's just the Planet of the Apes movie. It is what it is. But West Ball was also announced as the director of the Legend of Zelda movie, which is a long, long, long gestating and desired video game property coming to the big screen. So his next project after this is Legend of Zelda. Now I haven't played Legend of Zelda in 30 years, but like Super Mario, it's going to be a huge fucking deal. So now I'm like, is Wes Ball

actually a really important filmmaker? And have I barely paid attention to the Maze Runner movies? I have. So what did I do? I bought the Maze Runner movies on Blu-ray and I'm going to watch them to prepare for this film. Someone should have like been charting both my pulse and like whatever like emotional sine waves that just like happened during that monologue. Have I thought too deeply about this, do you think? I mean, because it went from like, we didn't take those seriously where it's like, okay, but I saw every single like, I didn't see all of them, but I saw like a lot of those movies in theaters. Like I do feel that I took most of them seriously.

Then we went to the New Hunger Games, which I just absolutely loathed. And one of those songs is just following me everywhere. That has become the go-to exercise class and airplane chill-out song. It's awful. And then you giving a long speech in justification of like a blu-ray purchase and i was just like there's just a lot happening what's it like sitting with the goat well tell me what it's like are you like i can't believe my good fortune that i got to sit beside the new gore and this this coming after not not to spoil the second half of the podcast but we

will be talking about chris ryan's new year's resolutions um and and some supplements he may or may not believe in so it's just really like we've got you know the bulk king over here you're surrounded by greatness we've got like blu-ray over here i'm just like a normal lady trying to get through a day gen z that's all you are what's happening what's number 12 gen z mommy it's twisters yeah i'm in on this i'm so in on this okay a sequel to twister sort of so i mean yeah starring glenn powell absolutely glenn powell season continues and it's been glenn powell season here in this universe yeah since the day everybody wants them was released like 2017 14 i would say I would say. 2014, right. 15.

Great. We're going on a decade. But that's fine. The rest of the world is catching up. I've been hearing some positive reviews from friends for Anyone But You. Everyone But Me seems to have really loved it. I enjoyed it. I'm on the record.

It's not good, but I really liked it. I'll go with that. I had a good time. It's not good. And I liked it I'll go with that I had a good time it's not good and I wanted it to be better but I had a good time I just want more for Glenn so maybe Twisters will be it

also Daisy Edgar Jones I don't know it's apparently about climate change I'd like her to fall in love with me it's being released like in June which you know just a big summer

blockbuster movie let's go also directed by Lee Isaac Chung who directed Minari one of the great movies of the last five years. Very, very weird director choice.

Whatever. People can have multiple passions. I spoke with him for the show, and he was a really smart guy and not quite the, like, you'll be making Sundance movies forever kind of guy that you might imagine. So I'm intrigued. I'm interested. Okay, my number 11 is a big time cheat, but it's a nod to a continuing trend from 2023, which is the old guys still got it.

There are three old guys who are making old guy movies this year. One of them, of course, O Canada, the new film from Paul Schrader, starring Jacob Elordi, which I'm very, very excited about. His reunion also with Richard Gere. Richard Gere. Yes, which is an adaptation of his close friend Russell Banks' novel,

and Schrader is making it sound as though this will be his last film. He also very pointedly compared it to what many believe is his greatest film, which is Mishima, and the way that that film kind of like moves stylistically and changes how it looks, how it feels, how it sounds through stages of characters life. I'm, I'm so pumped. Obviously I love Schrader. Number two,

juror number two. This is the new film from the big pictures. Grandpa Clint Eastwood. Clint is in his nineties. He's making another movie. It's a courtroom thriller, a genre we love, with apparently a very clever script, starring Nicholas Holt.

And I just can't wait. Not to make this podcast all about my parents, but my stepmom swears that she saw Clint Eastwood driving a red Camry around Atlanta. A red Camry? Yeah, she was very specific about the car. Is the film shooting in Atlanta? I believe at some point it was shooting in Atlanta.

And so, and many films do shoot in Atlanta. So like my parents or all my parents are just like sort of on the lookout as they can be for famous people. But that would be tough to spot him because he completed principal photography in two and a half days. So that's impressive.

She was like, I promise. It was Clint Eastwood. And my dad and I were like, are you sure? Is he allowed to drive a car still? You know, it's like... He's 92, I think. Yeah. Shout out to Clint.

93. 93. I cannot confirm or deny the sighting. The combined age of these three men that you've selected here, Sean, is older than the United States of America. The third man is James L. Brooks, who hasn't made a movie in a long time. And reportedly, reportedly, in his negotiations with 20th Century Studios to allow them to make another Simpsons movie, he was able to get funding for a new original feature film called Ella McKay

that I'm very excited about. Here's what I've heard about Ella McKay. It is starring Emma Mackey, who I really, really like. Me too. And this will be the first new film from Albert Brooks in a long time. He's starring in the film apparently as a politician. I heard this on the Marc Maron podcast WTF all three of these movies if they're bad I don't care just feed them to me

there's another great master that we'll be talking about a little bit later in this episode but I wanted to give some love to these great masters

I thought you were going to tee up your number 10 who also like is not quite I'm not sure he's a great master but we're going to

find out what's your number 11 my number 11 is Maria which is the new film by Pablo Lorraine and fits into the genre of Pablo Lorraine making movies about famous sad women. Yes, yes. And famous people in general.

I wouldn't say that El Conde, which was his most recent film, which I saw at Venice, was my favorite of his attempts. Don't think that that is a movie really pitched for you. A vampire parable about Pinochet. Right. But it's very beautiful to look at. So Ed Lachman shot that movie, who Todd Haynes is a longtime cinematographer,

one of the greatest living cinematographers. I was wondering who shot Maria. Do you know Edward Lachman? Is it Ed Lachman? Oh, wow. Well, that's, okay. That's very exciting. Very exciting.

So who, and so who is the star of this movie? Right. So it stars Angelina Jolie as Maria Callas. And it's not only filmed by Ed Lachman, but set in Paris in the 70s and was filmed in Europe. This movie is going to be sick. I just, great. I'm excited. Sign me up, you know?

Opera and the great symphonies have been a big focus in my household recently. And you and I share a love for opera. So I think I'm ready. It's also just like a level of drama and melodrama that I think will fit well with Lorraine's storytelling style. Completely agree. Part of the problem with Spencer was that it was melodrama and horror set in a very constrained world.

And I honestly just found it a little boring at times. It might have been a case of you knowing a little too much. And knowing too much. Sure. Maria is one I don't know a lot about. Right. So I'm looking forward to that. I like Jackie a lot.

That was one of my favorite movies of that year. Me too. Okay. My number 10 is, again, a cheat, but a necessary about. Right. So I'm looking forward to that. I like Jackie a lot. That was one of my favorite movies of that year. Me too. Okay. My number 10 is, again, a cheat, but a necessary cheat. It's Horizon Colon, an American saga,

dash, chapters one and two. This is the new Western mega franchise from the Warner Brothers Corporation directed by Kevin Costner. These two films will be released on January 28th and then

August 16th. This is the wildest gamble of the year, in my opinion, in theatrical moviegoing. Kevin Costner, who has not directed a movie in some time, has directed what I think he hopes to be a multi-multi-part film series. These are the first two installments that I guess were privately funded, and then he brokered a distribution deal with Warner Brothers. And in doing so, effectively ended the series Yellowstone as we know it because of his refusal to appear in certain episodes after they changed his schedule. Does that all sound right? Mostly, yes.

Okay. Costner as a director, I don't know, man. Kinda. uh costner as a director i don't know man kinda i just like that he's like it's important that before i die i make a 40 and western epic it's gonna be something to see it will be something to see and the the promo tour will be something to see yes i'll drink a giant beer out of a boot after the phone and i'll love it bobby did you seek out any of the music of Jewel after our last podcast about this? No, I did not. Okay. God damn it.

All right. Well, there's still time. Who will save your soul? That's a question. When I'm in Los Angeles next week before our recordings, we can play some Jewel to really get the vibe going. That's a good idea. Maybe on Globes night.

That's what we'll do. Okay. That sounds fun. Go straight into it I need some movies to see this summer so I'll be seeing Horizon 1 and 2

I'll be seeing it too okay great Sam Worthington and Giovanni Ribisi are in this movie hell yeah that sounds great I mean they are perfect

for the Costner vibe Ribisi is like a twitchy gunslinging cowpoke in sold like I'm still reflecting on my trip The twitchy, gunslinging cowpoke in. Sold.

Like, I'm still reflecting on my trip to the Palm Springs Air Museum. And, you know, many of the people I encountered there and the energy that was palpable. And it really, it was this. It was like a bunch of people who are there in Horizon. This is a great nation. Please respect it. I wonder if like Horizon Part 5 will be filmed at the Air Museum, you know? I think that's where he'll be interred, actually. What's your number 10?

My number 10 is Back to Black. Very curious about this one. Sure. And again, so we were talking about our lists last year versus this year. And I have a lot of things on my list this year where i'm like if this goes right i'm really psyched but it's not a guarantee that it goes right so this is the amy winehouse winehouse biopic directed by sam taylor johnson um and starring marissa abella aka i can't remember the character's name from industry um Yasmin right yes from industry she's

wonderful in industry um it and this movie is made with the cooperation of the Winehouse Estate so that's a double-edged sword right I believe it has the music it also will portray what is ultimately a very sad, complex story from the perspective of a certain group of people who are also featured in the movie. So who can say? Jack O'Connell is playing Blake Civil Fielder. He's a wonderful actor. He is. That's a tough... I mean, the Amy Winehouse story is incredibly sad.

And I loved her music. And I think it'll be, if done well, like a harrowing thing to watch, but it's deserving of a good film. A couple things working against this movie. I'm a huge Marissa Abella fan. Yeah.

I think she's very, very good on industry. One, Amy exists. So, Asif Kapadia his academy award-winning documentary which is a very definitive portrait of a falling star in many ways um two i have a big personal connection to amy winehouse's music i was there at the joe's pub show the first time she played in america um i saw her many times live. She was like in a lot of ways, like the embodiment to me of what I thought

like contemporary popular music could and should be, which is like take the past, revive it, redefine it, make it more interesting, write with personal voice. She wrote with such an interesting personal voice to me. So you kind of like, if you fuck it up, I'm going to be mad. Yeah. so you kind of like if you fuck it up I'm gonna be mad yeah um but if you don't then it's then it's something you all love it does also the the the lead time gets shorter and shorter on these things you know like does she we not a lot of time has gone by yeah we were

adults yeah we like have a real real real memory of it. And so. It's a good call. That's a really, really tricky area. That's going to keep happening. I know. But I don't think it's to the film's benefit or to the memory of these people. So we'll see. It's a great and tragic story.

I'll tell you, I do like a weepy, you know. I watched When a Man Loves a Woman for the first time last night. Did you ever see that movie? No. Meg Ryan, Andy Garcia. She's an alcoholic from the 1990s. I watched it for another reason, but I was just bawling. I was loving it. It was beautiful.

It was really good. Anyway, let's see what we have over there. I cried at the trailer for All of Us Strangers yesterday. So get ready for that. I'm going to re-watch that film this weekend. I'm going to re-watch it at some point too. Absolutely wonderful. My number nine, also I'll be weeping in the aisles cheering for Nosferatu,

the new film from Robert Eggers I want to thank him for the work that he's doing making lavish period horror films that I

what was the was it like thousands of bugs like what was Willem Dafoe filming with oh rats yeah

okay which is just elite Willem Dafoe I think is playing a vampire hunter in this adaptation is it it's Lily Rose Depp and Bill Skarsgård are gonna be the stars Willem Dafoe, I think, is playing a vampire hunter in this adaptation. It's Lily-Rose Depp and Bill Skarsgård are going to be the stars of this film.

It's coming out on Christmas Day, which is just an incredible flex. Obviously, Nosferatu, hugely important figure in the history of cinema. The original film kind of paved the way for the future of horror. Egger's a very creative guy when kind of doing riffs on old stories. So The Northman, I loved. A little bit of confusion about The Northman, which is a movie that like did okay at the box office, but then apparently was like the PVOD hit of that year.

Was it 21? I think it was 21. I think it was 22. Was it 22? Maybe it was early 22. It was early 22 as well. I was on leave. Movie absolutely rips. So I'm pretty excited about Nosferatu.

Okay. What's number nine for you? My number. So I'm pretty excited about Nosferatu. Okay. What's number nine for you? My number nine is La Chimera. Chimera. Chimera. Okay. Well, I was just going to do the Americanized version, but I'm not because I don't speak Italian. You can retake it.

Retake it. La Chimera, directed by Alice Rohrwacher. This is an Italian movie that played festivals last year. Nian is releasing at some point this year. Stars Josh O'Connor. And I will now read a plot summary for you. The story centers on a young British archaeologist who gets involved in an international network of stolid Etruscan artifacts during the 1980s. In.

I'm just, I'm in. Thank you so much. Saw the movie, liked it. Okay, great. It's very good. You'll like it. Josh O'Connor. We'll come back to him. Yeah. My number eight. Liked it. Okay, great. It's very good. You'll like it. Josh O'Connor. We'll come back to him.

My number eight is Maxine. Yeah, your girl. This is the third in a trilogy of Mia Goth's Stabbing People movies directed by Ty West. This one is set in the world of late 70s, early 80s pornography in which Mia Goth's character, I think, is a star director. That's all I know. That's all I want to know. I'll sit down. I'll watch the film. I'll observe the greatness of Mia Goth. Hopefully Ty will come back on the show. We'll talk about all the porn he watched to prep for this. It should be a good episode. Shout out to Ty. Just so everyone knows, we have recorded the

I Can fix her draft for JMO but we're waiting to drop that until Maxine comes out. We're doing that for the drive. That's when we're

doing all of our fundraising is for that episode. That's sort of like our Jerry Lewis of the year. What's next on what's on

ready for you? Wolves. That is the correct. It is not wolves. It is wolf plural wolf with two wolf with an s yeah i can't understand this how why is it well because it's about it's about two guys two lone wolves okay not two lone wolves you say two you you would say two lone

wolves if you were saying it plural i see it is I see. And that's why it is that way. There's a lone wolf, but there are two of them. Okay. And they get assigned to the same job. This is why you're an editor. Those two wolves are played by George Clooney and Brad Pitt. Absolutely. I'm intrigued.

Yeah. Who's directing it? John Watts. What films has he made? The Spider-Man movies that I liked. You did like. Yeah. I liked the first one better than the...

Did he do the drones one? He did. Yeah. He did. He did all three of them. Oh, okay. Well, I liked one and three a lot. Two, again, drones, AI, you know, it's just not my bag.

But that had Gyllenhaal as Mysterio, which honestly, bring it back. Bring him back. What happened to Mysterio at the end of? Was it conclusive? I know, but could they piece it back together? I can't recall. Okay. Mysterio, was he a special effects artist in the film?

I can't remember. That was a great little bit about him as a Spider-Man villain, was that that was what his job was. He's a special effects artist. I think he was, actually. Anyway, neither here nor there. Okay, number seven for me is Civil War. We've done a good job of not participating

in the discourse about this movie. I am not really aware of the discourse on this movie besides that people have some issues with, what is it, Texafornia? Yes. Okay. The California-Texas alliance as part of the secession

from the United States as a civil war transpires. I think a lot of people who wrote and tweeted about this movie don't know anything about Alex Garland because Alex Garland

is not dumb. He wouldn't do something that is dumb. If he's done something, it probably has good intention. It's an original movie starring Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemons

about a civil war in the United States of America. JMO did, in fact, bankroll this movie. This is our first production. This is our lady ballers. And I'm really proud of the work we did. Bob and I just slaving away. CR giving a lot of notes to Alex.

And Alex took every note that Chris gave. In my capacity as a women on Wednesday, I cast Kirsten Dunst you know that was my one note but I did it but it was critical yeah it was crucial

I wrote composed and mixed all of the music for this film we didn't do anything on this movie but A24 did produce it it's coming out pretty soon it'll be

hopefully one of our biggest episodes of April I'm excited are you going to have Kiki on the show well me and Alex we have something going okay so I'm excited. Are you going to have Kiki on the show? Well, me and Alex, we have something going.

Okay. So I don't know if... You don't want to bring her into that. I don't know. Alex is really... By something going, it's like Sean asks him why he made this movie

and he's kind of like, I don't know. Yeah, that has happened four times. But I will keep asking him. Okay. No, I... Well, maybe the episode should be yeah i talk to alex you and

i talk about the movie and then you talk to kiki i don't want to talk to her this is not the environment in which i want to start my relationship with kirsten well what is the environment like hanging out what does that mean and like i want to be her friend for real i think we could have like a lot to talk about i believe she has sons i have sons well you've seen me be yeah befriend people from having them on the show right but i don't think that she is going to consider anyone she interacts with in the podcast space someone she wants to be friends with so we like like i have to come up with like a fake job for when i meet her because i can't say i host a podcast i. I will help. Okay, thank you.

I will help you with this. Okay. This is how I feel about Ayo Adebiri. As long as we're just naming people we'd like to become friends with via the podcast,

that's how I feel. All you gotta do is move back to LA. I see her in the rep theaters all the time, bro. Yeah. Great. Okay, number seven for you.

Dune Part 2. Yeah, it's probably too low on our list. Yeah. In theory. No, it's gonna be great. Timmy, Sandworms. Yeah. In theory. No, it's going to be great. Timmy, Sandworms. I really enjoyed the first one.

Me too. Love the first one. Austin Butler in a bald cap. Yeah. And some other stuff. That's fine. If he approached you in the same way that you want Kirsten to approach you, but was like, man, I throw your life away.

I want to ravage you. But in costume from his character in Dune Part 2, would you allow that to happen? No. You wouldn't let him touch you? You wouldn't let him destroy your family? I'm not throwing my life away for the guy in that much makeup.

Okay. Because that's just a lot of maintenance, you know? So what you're really throwing your life away for is all the time spent in the makeup chair. That's true. You'd be losing vital time with him. Yeah. Okay.

You got to think about investment costs, time spent, these sorts of things. It's a huge part of having a family. I completely agree. Dune Part 2, I'm pumped. It's just annoying that we've been waiting two years and now another six months. Right. And you also didn't know that you would have to be waiting until you sat down exactly what do you make of them doing a third movie they are officially doing it not officially but i'm like sure they are but but they've said that the story will

conclude in part two but then there's more in part three what's going on i don't know i don't know i think things should have endings prequel aspect aspect, I think, to the third film. Who would be in the prequel? Oscar Isaac? Carrot Top. Okay, number six. Joker, fully adieu. Why not? I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

A great fucking time. A great time at the cinemas. And a great podcast episode. Yeah. fucking time a great time at the cinemas and a great podcast episode yeah i mean it's it's it's it's joaquin phoenix re-teaming with todd phillips for a sequel to their wildly successful 2019 feature joker which won joaquin an academy award that is now also a musical starring lady gaga i mean they just todd phillips who produced a Star is Born, was like, I got to do that movie, but with the Joker. That's fucking amazing.

Like, that's the dumbest, smartest idea I've ever heard in my life. This movie could be an absolute car crash, and I will be interested. I'm interested. I'm nervous. So this comes out in October of an election year, right? Yes, it does. I don't feel good, you know? You think this has Trump-Nikki Haley vibes?

I'm just like, this is, I remember, I saw the last one, you know? And I saw what it was trying to say and failed to say. So my enthusiasm, my excitement is negated by that. But sure, I'm curious. I was a fan of the film. I love the musical. I loved the dancing in the first one, as you know. It's a very good dancing.

Yeah. Yeah, Arthur Flex dancing. And you were famously attracted to Joaquin as the Joker. I mean, he's like too hot for that level of isolation. That was kind of what I had to say. Okay. Interesting. Good take.

What's your number six? The Bike Riders. Yeah. A film you've seen, so it can't be on your list, but that's okay. I want say. Okay. Interesting. Good take. What's your number six? The bike riders. Yeah. A film you've seen. So it can't be on your list, but that's okay. I want it on mine. Speaking of Austin Butler, Austin Butler and a bunch of other guys, including Tom Hardy, Michael Shannon, Mike faced Norman Reedus, Boyd, Boyd Holbrook, which is a hard name

for me to say, but Chris Ryan's favorite actor. So that's exciting. Emery Cohen, Carl Glusman, and then Jodi Comer Chris Bryan's favorite actor, so that's exciting. Emery Cohen, Carl Glusman, and then Jodie Comer is the girl. That's not fair. Jodie Comer is wonderful.

Also, Toby Lee Wallace. Oh, okay. Who's very good in this film. They all ride motorcycles and stuff. Butler cooks in this movie. I mean, I just can't wait. It's good.

I liked it a lot. Jeff Nichols, great writer. Okay. Number five for me is Love, Lies, Bleeding. This is a film that is premiering at Sundance. I won't be there to see it, unfortunately. This is Rose Glass's new movie for A24. She directed St. Maude,

which was released technically in 2019, but I think had a wider release in 2020. But then that release date was like almost the day that the lockdown started from the pandemic. So not a lot of people saw St. Maude, but it was a really, really good horror film about faith that I forgot to draft in the 2020 movie draft. That's on me, my bad.

I also forgot to draft The Empty Man. That's on me because I saw it in 2021. Nevertheless, Love, Lies, Bleeding, it looks like an American thriller starring Kristen Stewart as a woman who falls in love with a female bodybuilder, and then they go on some gnarly adventures. This movie looks really, really good.

This is a really good trailer. I'm very excited about it. I'm very excited about Rose Glass. So I think it's also going to be a very, very big Kristen Stewart year. She has another film, Sundance, and she's a big favorite of ours. So Love Lies Bleeding. Okay, what's your number five? Oh, my number five is a fun one. big Kristen Stewart year. She has another film at Sundance and she's a big favorite of ours. So love lies bleeding. Okay. What's your number five? Oh, my number five is a fun one. Okay. My number five is a film called Opus, which is an 824 film written and directed by Mark Anthony Green. I'm

going to be full disclosure right here off the top. Mark Anthony Green is a very good friend of mine. He's a friend of yours, Sean. He's a very old friend of mine. He is a beloved lifelong friend of my son. And frankly, like if he had to pick between the three of us, he would pick Knox. So I am just beyond like partial, beyond biased. Like this is like a good friend making a movie. So I will keep disclaiming that as the year goes on. I believe it's coming out this year. Anyway, this movie is a horror film starring John Malkovich and Bobby's new best friend, Io Edbiri. This is like a real thing that's happening. And Marc Anthony, in addition to being my friend, is an incredibly talented guy who made a movie. So I just, I can't wait. I'm so excited. I almost don't know what to say. I know. We watched a very close friend of ours

make a film for A24. So it's really, really cool that this is happening. There almost don't know what to say. I know. We watched a very close friend of ours make a film for A24. Yeah. So it's really, really cool that this is happening. There's no way for us to be objective about it. And we just won't be, but it's here on my list.

I feel kind of bad putting him at number five, but I think he won't mind being... Like, the four directors who come before him, he'll get it. I think he'll understand. Also, you know,

I didn't want to be too biased. No, I'm psyched. He's one of the smartest guys I've ever met. Yeah, incredibly talented. Very exciting. Been planning this, thinking about it for a long time. Opus. My number four is Blitz.

I wanted this, but you kept it. I held this for myself. Yeah, that's fine. We have a shared love for Steve McQueen, the films of Steve McQueen. Steve McQueen has a documentary that is in movie theaters right now called Occupied City, which is a four-hour film that shows us Amsterdam in the present day,

but explains what was happening in the city during World War II under the occupation. Very interesting film, very challenging in a lot of ways very purposefully challenging it's based on a lot of the work that his wife uh did as a journalist and filmmaker blitz is a kind of companion piece to that because it's a film about the bombing of london during world war ii um stars sir sharonan and steve mcqueen is one of the most viscerally impressive filmmakers we have 12 Years a Slave Widows Hunger um obviously Small Axe was some of the best shit we saw during the

pandemic thankfully so very very excited this is an Apple movie I don't know if this is going into movie theaters or what I don't not really sure what the deal is with this but I'm very much looking forward to it I'm also excited to have Saoirse back. Yeah. Yeah. Weird year without her. I guess she was in Faux. Right. But that was it.

Yeah. It'll be nice to have her back. Okay, number four. It's a film called Gladiator 2, starring Denzel Washington and Paul Meskel, along with Connie Nielsen, Perry Keoghan, and Pedro Pascal, directed by Sir Ridley Scott, whose output in recent years I have thoroughly enjoyed. And sometimes you just want to go to the movie theater

and see Gladiator 2 starring Denzel Washington. Generally, I'm with you. I love Gladiator. What's not to like about Gladiator? Are you not entertained? Crow's not coming back. No, because no spoilers, but...

What happened to Maximus? Did something happen to him? Big test for Paul Meskel. Big test. It's hard to do this kind of movie. I believe. Not that it's not hard to do After Sun or All of Us Strangers. It is hard to do that, but it's hard to carry a movie like this.

It should be interesting. There's that story about how the producers of the film saw him perform Streetcar in London, and they watched the women go crazy for him when he took his shirt off as Stanley, and that was why they cast him. They were like, this is box office right here. We'll see. Number

three, Furiosa, Mad Max Saga. This is a new film from another old guy his name is George Miller it's one of the greatest action filmmakers of all time this is the prequel to the sequel to the sequel to the sequel of the road warrior and Mad Max uh this film stars Andy Taylor Joy and Chris Hemsworth I thought this trailer rocked i have full faith in george miller people who are concerned about the cgi let it just simmer down you watched a trailer on your phone trust me you're in the hands of a master it's going to be okay it's going to be okay this uh this movie has

a lot to live up to because fury road is so beloved and such a perfect five star movie. But I believe. So I'm very excited. I like it when things go fast. Okay. You and Bobby share that. Mm-hmm. When is Brad Pitt's F1 movie coming out?

That's not next year, is it? Or this year rather? I don't know. What I read is that that film is having some production issues. They won't let him

drive fast enough. That's what the issue is as far as I'm concerned. I don't think that will be an issue in the film. I think that there are some script problems with the movie

as I've come to understand it. Too many words. That's the problem. Could be. That movie's called Apex apparently which is great for the ringer and is a F1 racing drama

being made for Apple by Joseph Kaczynski. His follow up to Top Gun Maverick. I don't know if that movie is coming out this year. You would think if it was, it would have a date. Because it's a big-ass $300 million movie. The guy who made Top Gun Maverick is with Brad Pitt now.

We would hear about it. In a race car. Yeah, you would hear that. I agree with you, though Apple is pretty close to the vest about when they're releasing stuff. You're right. It could be like November 18th. That's the Thanksgiving about when they're releasing stuff. You're right. It could be like November 18th. That's the Thanksgiving movie.

It's very possible. If we don't have it on the list, we are honorably mentioning it right now. Okay, what's your number three? My number three is Hitman, which I took from Sean. Thank you. This is the Richard Linklater movie

starring Glenn Powell based on a Texas Monthly piece about an undercover Houston police officer who poses as a hitman, and then he has to save a woman. Played by Adriana Arjona, who I've been trying to put on the 35 under 35 list for some time. Sean blocked me. You tried to bump off Jenna Ortega, which would have been, in retrospect, insane. Well, she's not a film star.

She's about to be in beetlejuice 2 dog right but she wasn't then she was just wednesday she was in scream she revived screen and then scream 2 fell apart scream 3 she was in two scream movies oh okay she's good jen ortega's got it she's a movie star she's a movie well she's mostly a tv star who is then also in movies that and that that was the only thing no one knows adriana's name yeah but she's mostly a TV star who is then also in movies. And that was the only thing. No one knows Adria Arjona's name. Yeah, but she's... I love her, but they don't know her name.

Incredibly good in everything she's in. She's never top-lined anything. Well, she's going to be in Hitman. Okay. I'm looking forward to it. Linklater. I'm just going to re-watch all the Linklater movies again, which is something I do every five years,

and I never regret it because he makes wonderful, amazing movies. Many-time guest of this show. Maybe he'll come back and talk about Hitman. A thing I really liked in the Saltburn discourse that people got up to despite all of our warnings were people being like, so this same amount of time has passed from the events of Saltburn as Dazed and confused from when it was released. That was almost certainly intentional. And I was like... I did enjoy that.

Yeah, guys. That's smart. No, it's not intentional. You don't think it was intentional? No, come on. I don't think... No one gave a thought to that. There's not a lot I would like to ask Emerald,

but I would like to ask her that. Okay. Did it cross your mind that the 17-year gap or whatever it is, I think it's 17 years, between... Well, that. Okay. Did it cross your mind that the 17-year gap or whatever it is, I think it's 17 years between, well,

anyway. Okay, number two. Weapons. I don't know if this is coming out. It's starting to shoot next month. This is Zach Kreger's

follow-up to Barbarian. It stars Pedro Pascal, Brian Tyree Henry. The pitch in the trades was Magnolia, but a horror movie. Okay. A multi-character, expansive story. Now, that may be doing it a disservice. I don't know.

I haven't read the script. I don't want to read the script. I want to see the movie. But I really like what Zach did with Barbarian. I think that the whole team behind that movie is super smart. 2023 was a really bad year for horror, and I feel like it's time for a comeback. I've already listed two horror movies in Nosferatu and Maxine.

I'm very hopeful that this movie has the chance to show, you know, I think what Zach wants to be is like a Jordan Peele type, you know, a writer-director with a vision who works in works in genre that's what I fucking love that's my favorite thing so I fingers crossed on weapons Warner Brothers coming out I would have guessed this fall if they're starting to shoot in February will you invite me to this screening unlike the other screenings what screenings did I know about you too night swim you were invited to night swim no i wasn't what are you talking about you and chris went without me you said you literally said yeah you literally said to me i can't make the screening on right but that was me inviting myself and then

being like actually i can't what what is happening i thought you begged off did you not no i didn't okay well you missed out because night swim fucking fucking rocked. Yeah, no, I know. Okay, what's your number two? My number two is Megalopolis. This is the Francis Ford Coppola epic that he has been working on for decades, shepherding for decades, raising funds for with his wines and other ventures for decades and filmed last year. It's a star-studded cast, including my beloved Adam Driver, Forrest Whitaker, Natalie Emanuel, John Voight, Lawrence Flishburn, Audrey, Aubrey Plaza, Jason Schwartzman, Shia LaBeouf, Talia Shire. James Remar, Chloe Fineman. The list goes on. Dustin Hoffman is apparently

in this. I don't know why he's so low on the Wikipedia page. Giancarlo Esposito. Anyway, this could be an amazing masterwork from one of the great artists at the end of his career, or it could be a debacle. I'm enjoy the ride you know i'm grateful for everything that francis ford coppola has given us to cinema to to wine to cinema again through sofia and this is a great story you know like if if it, you gotta respect that he's going for it. And if it works, it's amazing. It might actually be the movie that I'm most anticipating this year.

In the 1990s, when Francis Ford Coppola was dead broke, he made four movies. The Godfather Part III, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Jack, the Robin Williams comedy about a grown-up boy, and The Rainmaker,

the John Grisham adaptation. Got his ass out of hock, started building up the winery, sold it for millions and millions and millions of dollars. In the 2000s, he starts thinking about Megalopolis and then thinks he can't pull it off. He doesn't quite know how to do it. He doesn't know how to fund it. He doesn't know how to make it work. So he makes three movies that I saw. I've only seen these three movies one time each. Youth Without Youth, Tetro, and Twixt. Three small movies. So I'm looking forward to

I might re-watch everything because we're reading this book. The Path to Paradise for the pod next month. But those three in particular, which feature him on smaller budgets, experimenting with form. I think Megalopolis is going to be,

I mean, it's, it's title is in the, you know, it's, it's an homage in some ways to Metropolis, the Fritz Long movie that kind of redefined how we looked at movies in the, um,

in the silent era. But just the homework of Megalopolis for me personally is a lot of fun. Um, so I'm, I'm very much looking forward to this one. Not my number one though. My number one is Mickey 17. Yeah. Because this is what I was talking about.

This is a great auteur with a vision, a writer, director who works in genre. And that filmmaker is Bong Joon-ho. And what does he have right now? Our best active movie star, Robert Pattinson. 100%. Playing in, I guess, a science fiction movie. Yet another example of,

I don't really want to hear very much about this. I'm kind of even reluctant to watch the trailer, though of course I know I will. It's something about capitalist drones, somebody stuck in the system who's asked to do a job for a big corporation in an Arctic environment. That's really all I know. I don't want to learn much more but bong joon-ho's last film of course is

parasite so i mean it's wildly it's i'm so excited this would you claimed this one and i didn't fight you for it but this is on my list as well um i am just a massive rubber pattinson fan in addition to a huge bong joon-ho fan. So, let's go. So, what's your number one? Challengers. Bumped up from three last year. This is the Luca Guadagnino tennis sex film starring Zendaya, Josh O'Connor, and... Mike Feist.

Mike Feist. I mean, show me the movie, you know? You've seen the movie. I can't wait till everybody else can. Show me the damn movie. Comes out in April. I'm so excited. Also, that plus June 2 means like Zendaya season, which is great for all of us.

I'm really looking forward to that. Yeah, big spring for her. It's going to be a great press tour season. We've got Zendaya, we've got Kiki, and we've got Dakota Johnson selling Madam Web, which honestly is just going to be one of the sights to see in 2024. Sounds absolutely incredible. I'm so excited. We both did honorable mentions.

We both did fun subcategories in our honorable mentions. Why don't you give me your first one? Oh, the Garbage Amanda sub-mention? So, This Is Me Now, which is the quote-unquote film that is accompanying Jennifer Lopez's upcoming album release on Prime Video. Isn't it called This Is Me Now, the movie? Yes, you're right. Sorry, because This Is Me Now is the album.

Or is it like This Is Me Now, 20 years later, the movie or something like that? Yeah, it's... This Is Me Now, colon, the film. The film. Sorry. Forgive me, Jennifer Lopez. J-Lo! I do believe that Ben Affleck you know contributed something

to the film as husband and supporter sure I the quote unquote trailer that I saw was one of the more gobsmacking things

that I've ever seen committed to film I haven't seen that I I will watch with interest okay you know another one is The Idea of You which is an adaptation of a romance novel I will watch with interest. Okay. You know?

Another one is The Idea of You, which is an adaptation of a romance novel that my friends really love. This will be starring Anne Hathaway and Nicholas Gazeltine. And I don't know whether this will be good. It's basically what if I started dating Harry Styles? What if I were divorced, I think, and started dating Harry Styles? It's not like a love triangle thing.

Is that something you're interested in? No, that seems complicated. Also, I would pick Austin Butler, which would be a different movie. The idea of Austin. The idea of Austin, sure. I'm curious. And this is, I believe, going direct to Amazon Prime, which is never a great sign. It's Michael Showalter. It's Michael Showalter. Academy Award nominated.

Sure. I think that, in general, I don't think that romance novels are great fodder for films because there are very limited stakes. Yeah. It's the red, white, and blue follow-up. Yeah. But I will obviously watch it and report back. Anthropologically, I'm hugely interested also in Hathaway. My Ex-Friend's Wedding, which is the new K-canon girls movie, I guess.

Didn't like Cinderella at all, but did like blockers. Right. I had blocked out that. That Cinderella movie's bad. Yeah. Anyway, it stars Ariana DeBose, who I recently saw in an episode of Sesame Street. And I have to say, she was absolutely sensational. So it's just about picking the right projects for you.

She crushed it in Wish as a Disney princess. I'm just going to say that. She had to interact with three puppets. It was her and three puppets. And no one else put in that situation knows what to do. And she was a fucking natural. And she sold that song. So maybe My Ex-Friend's Wedding is the right thing for her.

It also stars Chloe Fineman, Amanda Seyfried, Megan Stalter from Hacks. Yes. Who's really funny in Hacks. Yes. Who's really funny in Hacks. So I'm looking forward to it. I'll give it a try and even if it's bad maybe it'll be good for me. And then I put Argyle here

with like 40,000 question marks because am I secretly going to really like that? I want to know what the reveal is. Don't tell me. Okay, I won't tell you. Everyone's really sick of the trailer because the trailer's been playing in every movie. I know, but I've seen is. Don't tell me. Okay, I won't tell you. Everyone's really

sick of the trailer because the trailer's been playing in every movie. I know, but I've seen it so many times and then I'm just like, oh, is this... But every single time

it kind of gets me. It is... It could be... I like a lot of Matthew Vaughn movies and Sam Rockwell is good. Yeah. We shall see.

You want to do your real honorable mentions? Sure. Well, there's a new Steven Soderbergh movie debuting at Sundance, which I won't be able to see. That's called Presence. There is Bird, which is the upcoming Andrea Arnold film starring Barry Kogan and our guy Franz Rogowski.

I'm excited for that. I am excited for that as well. And then, did you see Janet Planet? I did. Atelier Ride? I did. Did you like it? I did.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want Telluride? I did. Did you like it? I did. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I don't want to say too much. Okay. This stars Julia Nicholson and this is a, it's a mother and a daughter, right? Yes. Yeah. It's written and directed by Annie Baker.

It's her first film, the acclaimed playwright, who is legitimately one of my three or four favorite playwrights the last 20 years. Movie that I would recommend you see on the big screen. Not because it's a big, lavish thing, but because it's a very quiet but immersive story. And witnessing the complex environment between a mother and a daughter over the last few years, I would say this movie has a lot to say. I recommend it. I'll make a public service announcement before I give my

honorable mentions I want to say that I will be seeing the film Deadpool 3 on my birthday at a multiplex I'll have a large drink hopefully with alcohol in it and

at least two boxes of Sour Patch Kids immediately after that film I'll be going to a steak dinner and be drinking at least two martinis this is just an open invitation to all listeners of the show. If you can find me on July 26th, come say hi.

Let's talk about Deadpool 3. Amanda, do you want to come? Well, I have some questions about the practicalities of this. First of all, presumably you'll have already seen Deadpool 3 because we have to watch it for the podcast. But in 2019, I had already seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood at a screening. And then when the film opened...

One of these things is not like the other. Are we sure? What if Deadpool 3 is the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood of superhero movies? This is a podcast about optimism and the possibility of the year in year in cinema panic over franchises this was one of my resolutions so i read this and i you know closed my eyes and took a deep breath and then i thought about how my birthday is the next week and what will my birthday movie be and

then i realized what birthday it is and then i just got really stressed what's the movie so what movie but what movie is coming out on august 2nd i have no idea it's my 40th birthday i'm not going to watch like you know fucking i've got my ex friend's wedding i'm really excited to share these options for you currently on the schedule on august 2nd harold and the purple crayon which is a big hit in our house so my daughter nox loves purple. And M. Night Shyamalan's trap. I'm not having a birthday party at the movie theater. You could wait one week and see Eli Roth's

Borderlands. I don't think so. What if we waited to go see Twisters? Amanda, does it change your calculus that Josh Hartnett features in M. Night Shyamalan's trap? He was really wonderful in Oppenheimer, wasn't he? Really powerful stuff.

I don't think that sitting in a dark room watching Twisters as excited as I am for it is how I want to celebrate my Moscow birthday. We'll just see Deadpool 3 again. Okay. Here's some other genre mega curiosities that i have from this year alien romulus a new alien movie from fede alvarez very i'm listening i'm listening i'm not necessarily saying it's gonna be great but i'm listening beetlejuice 2 i don't think i've loved the tim burton movie since, gosh, Mars Attacks.

It's been a long time. But when I loved him, I loved him. When I loved him, I was like, this is a whole world that I want to understand better. This is a weird dude who likes monsters and weird guys with black hair. And he's going to put them on screen over and over again. And I loved it. And then something, I don't know, he rediscovered Johnny Depp and it went awry for like 25 years. But I believe that Michael Keaton is back.

Jenna Ortega is in the mix. I'll see Beetlejuice 2. Speak No Evil, a film that I've talked about quite lovingly on this podcast, a European horror film. This is an American remake of this film. Is that the Vacation Friends one? Yes,

the Vacation Friends one. Exactly. The cast is interesting on this film. Is that the Vacation Friends one? Yes, the Vacation Friends one. Exactly. The cast is interesting on this one. It's James McAvoy, Mackenzie Davis, and Scoot McNary. But I don't know

who is playing who in the formulation of the couples. But three actors I really like. So that's something to look forward to. That's a summer movie.

Scott Derrickson's the gorge director of The Black Phone and Doctor Strange and a bunch of horror movies in the last 10 years. That's a summer movie. Scott Derrickson's The Gorge, director of The Black Phone and Doctor Strange and a bunch of horror movies in the last 10 years. That's an Apple movie. Looking forward to that.

Gareth Edwards' Havoc, Apartment 7A, which is a Rosemary's Baby prequel starring Julia Garner. The most anticipated movie of the year for Bobby's bulking podcast is Roadhouse, starring Jake Gyllenhaal

and Conor McGregor, directed by Doug Liman. I'm just going to be real with you. He already won the bulking Oscar of the year. We know Zac Efron got it for 2023. That was self-apparent.

You're giving it away on January 4th? Who knows what lies ahead of us? Have you seen the video of him running into the MMA ring and pounding his chest? Sean, it's so over. He won it.

Roadhouse episode will also feature the first installment of Junk Fights, where Ciara and I talk about movies where guys fight each other that we really like. I'm very, very, very excited about Junk Fights. He looks like somebody attached him to an air pump and just pumped up his veins and muscles. Amanda has just put her head in her lap.

She's tapped out on this pod, much like when Jake Gyllenhaal put her to sleep in the octagon. So the way that we're recording it, people don't know that I've already sat through like an hour of Chris talking about **** and reading like ****. Why are you spoiling what's to come? Don't spoil it. I'll bleep it. It's bleeped. It's bleeped. Consider it bleeped. Good bleep.

Strong bleep. There's more coming. Venom 3. We haven't even talked about Venom 3, guys. Directed by Kelly Marcel, the screenwriter who wrote Mary Poppins Returns, is directing the new Venom movie. Come on!

Tom Hardy's best friend, Kelly Marcel? There's no way that movie's not going to be absolutely fucking wacky. There's a Wolfman movie there's a Radio Silence monster movie coming later

this year too Beverly Hills Cop Axel F I don't know that I really want this but I'm going to watch it the fourth Beverly

Hills Cop movie Eddie Murphy is back already mentioned M. Night Shyamalan and his daughter Ashana also has a movie on the slate called The Watchers

that's cool so that's interesting they're both releasing a movie this year on the good movie front there is actually a bunch of stuff I'm excited

for Polaris new Lynn Ramsey Joaquin Phoenix movie very much looking forward to that so that's interesting they're both releasing a movie this year on the good movie front there is actually a bunch of stuff I'm excited for Polaris new Lynn Ramsey Joaquin Phoenix movie very much looking forward to that The Substance Coralie Fargiat

who directed a really good movie called Revenge like six years ago Joshua Oppenheimer acclaimed documentarian his new movie The End Mother Mary David Lowery

Anne Hathaway movie about a pop star looking forward to that I saw The TV Globe premiering at Sundance in just a couple of weeks. This is Jane Schoenbrunn's new film. New Cronenberg, the shrouds pumped about that.

Terrifier three. Can, will you go see Terrifier three? The reportedly the most disgusting horror movie ever made. No. Okay. Thank you for inviting me. You're welcome.

That's all it takes i think these movies that i'm gonna say right now are coming in 2025 but i just want to say their names out loud okay the movie critic yes new tarantino what happens when i'm just uh tarantino pilled again for one full year on the pod you're asking that as if you like that's just an estate that you live in but it's like it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be back hard okay that to me is less annoying than some of your other pills okay well that's another good good episode for us on jmo you know how to the expulsion episode how do we get these pills out of my body uh untitled jordan peele movie was supposed to be christmas

2024 they moved it they moved it off the schedule. Huge bummer. The Way of the Wind. Once again, asking Terrence Malick to release his film about Jesus Christ. I think this show in particular is very well suited to discussing the life and works of Christ. Do you think Terrence Malick subscribes to your timeline of the life and death of Jesus Christ? Maybe that's what's causing an issue is he keeps listening and it keeps changing and he keeps having to recut the film. It's very possible.

Mission Impossible 7. Yeah. Who the fuck knows when it's coming out? I hope soon. Spider-Verse 3. I don't know when it's coming out. I hope soon.

They were both supposed to be for this year. They both got moved. Probably not coming back. Any other movies you want to shout out? Anything else you want to say before we talk about Night Swim? I'm bringing a positive attitude to 2024.

Thank you. I do not believe you, but I want to say that I thank you for saying that out loud. All right, let's go to our conversation with CR about Night Swim. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. Absolutely hit record on this. I started recording. Okay. Me and Craig and Bobby have been talking a lot. Okay. So you greeted Bobby. I'm bringing everybody in to bring everybody in together.

This is not how you want. Chris is here. Chris is here. Chris Ryan's here. Happy New Year to Chris Ryan. Hello. Bobby came on the Zoom. And you greeted him with, hello, keto brother. Yes. So is this a New Year's resolution for you? I'm not going to do keto. But Bobby and Craig are consulting me on my physical shape. What are the goals? Yes.

I think it's just, well, Christmas is a wonderful time of the year. But I definitely have two to three beers a night for like three weeks. So I definitely feel like I'm carrying a little bit of beer weight with me. And I just want to get stronger. I just want to go fast, you know? Maybe you can join Zach and Sean's dad strength program. Is that a thing? Isn't that just picking your child up a lot?

It's because of picking our child up that we are considering some new conditioning programs. Okay. But I'll share that with you off mic. Okay. So I'm thinking, I mean, I've talked about maybe getting a weight trainer, but I wonder if I need it, if I've got Bobby and Craig Horlbeck. Bobby, share your perspective. Like, what are the goals?

Do you have like a methodology? Do I have a methodology for myself or for Chris? For Chris. For Chris. Well, I figured there's some basic principles that we can apply to chris right now which is he needs more protein he needs some strength training and the thing that i love about chris right now is that he seems really really motivated you know he seems really with it do you identify on the forums okay he's watching the videos he's. He's watching the videos. He's intrigued. He's asking the right questions.

When dudes are like, check out my dog bowl and they make like a whole fucking pound of ground beef with like vegan cheese. When Chris came to me and he was like, is it okay if I think prebiotics are a scam? I was like, you're asking the right questions, dude. Let's talk about it. Okay. All right. Okay.

Tell me some more. What's the research that you've done i just don't understand how we have managed as human beings to get to 2024 and like two years ago we were like prebiotics are the most important thing by prebiotics you mean probiotics i don't know you are yes dangerously in aaron rogers epstein zone here. Are we sure on the science here? In your defense, I was at the... Why is there now soda that's probiotic? Well, I mean, that is because they see the marketing opportunity.

It's also delicious. I will cape right now for Poppy, P-O-P-P-I. Absolutely delightful stuff. I want to say something, too. This is a little bit about Bobby. I get the impression Bobby's a night owl. I don't like to overstep my bounds.

I would never text Bob like a work question at 8 p.m. East Coast time. I will text Bob at one o'clock in the morning about the Mets. I'm just going to put that out there. But if I hit up Craig and Bobby and I send them an Instagram reel of like a guy eating a pound of ground beef at five in the morning to get ready for his workout and i'm like what what do you guys think about this it doesn't matter what time it is bobby will respond with a thoughtful screen long text message about and it's like he's he it's all of these are like look at this maniac eating ground beef at five in the morning and bobby's like interesting

ideas at play here. And while I don't love the execution, I do think the principles are sound. I recently told Chris, my philosophy is the only thing I care about is 200 grams of protein a day and 30 grams of fiber. That's 2024's energy right there.

And Chris is a board. Chris is here. Yeah. 200 grams of protein. It's egg season. 30 grams of fiber? That's important. I'm with you.

I'm with you on that, Bobby. Yeah. You need it. You need fiber, Sean. You need it. I consume plenty. I'm just not sure. Are you putting that on a scale?

Yeah, absolutely. Tell me about your fiber. I eat a lot of cereal. Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's because they say it on the box that it has fiber. It doesn't really do it.

Again, Aaron Rodgers. What are you talking about? Don't project. He's That's good. That's because they say it on the box that it has fiber. It doesn't really do it. Again, Aaron Rodgers. What are you talking about? Don't project. He's not my quarterback. I know. It sucks that he's mine. You know, it's actually perfect that we are discussing this

because of the film we're going to be talking about. Look at you. You were waiting. You did it. No. The film that we will be discussing is about the restorative power of exercise.

Night swim is about wellness. It truly is. It is a wellspring about a spring that is a well. Okay. And I am so, so pumped to talk to you about this movie, Amanda. It's about wellness. So Chris and I saw Night Swim last night. Yeah.

Every January, there's a horror movie in the first or second week of the year. It's usually pretty bad. There's a reason it's been marked on the calendar at that time. But I would say seven out of ten times, Sierra and I are like, this movie rocks. I'm pleased to inform that Night Swim rocks. Oh, good. It does.

Chris and I had a lot of fun. Now, is this actually a good movie? I gotta tell you, I don't care. I don't really think it matters because this film featured a lot of things that Chris and I just turned to each other during and just were like, absolutely. I think I fist pumped like five times

watching the movie. Yeah. It's a very silly film. It's the feature debut of Bryce McGuire. This is based on his short film from 2019, which is also called Night Swim I think that the short film is just a

scene in a pool okay but the film makes sense because he does some great pool work in this movie yes there's some very interesting pool haunted pool cinematography he explores

this space to its absolute max I can't really imagine anything else that could happen in a pool after watching this okay so you're using the drain are you using a pool cleaner like the the motorized pool cleaner the the cover the drain

chicken fights yeah okay disorientation when diving for quarters pennies diving board diving board can i ask more about the cover absolutely i mean is it like one of the like electronic hand rolled oh and rolled with almost like that bubble wrapped looking cover. This is an older pool. Okay. So let's set the scene. Let's do it. This film takes place, it starts in 1992.

A young girl. Couldn't be more than five years old. We're doing the whole thing. We're just going to. I mean, we did this for Barbarian and I thought it was a lot of fun. So if you don't want to know what happens in Night Swim, skip to the next section. Is there any kind of pre-description vamping we should do

before getting into this? No, we did it. I think it's a PG-13 horror movie from Blumhouse and Atomic Monster. Atomic Monster. This is one of the first of the Atomic Monster-Blumhouse collaborations. So that's James Wan's company, Jason Blum's company. These are the two heavyweights in horror in the world right now. And they came together, they merged, and now they're making shit like Night Swim. And frankly, I'm here for it.

I'm just very excited. All right, I'm ready. Let's go. This film stars Wyatt Russell, Carrie Condon. Okay. Carrie Condon, fresh off her Academy Award nomination for the Banshees of Inisharen was like, I will be in Night Swim. That's amazing. I fucking love Hollywood. It's the best town in the world for Christ's sake. Anyhow, 1992, young Rebecca Summers wakes up in the middle of the night. She goes to see her brother who is infirmed in some way in his bed. And she hears a noise coming from the pool. What is it? It's a motorized little boat.

It's his boat. It's her little brother's boat. Her brother's very sick, but he's been looking for this boat. It's his boat. It's her little brother's boat. Her brother's very sick, but he's been looking for this boat for a long time. So it's nighttime. She goes downstairs to take a look outside at the pool. Like a remote control boat? It's hard to tell.

It's moving around on its own. There's a haunted quality to this boat. Okay. There's certainly a haunted quality to this pool. What material is it? It looks plastic. Yeah. It looks like a boat that should float in the pool,

but it has sort of risen to the surface out of nowhere. And there's no one in the pool or near the pool. And she starts leaning over, trying to fetch the pool. She's using the skimmer. Yeah. You know what happens. Yeah. What happens to her?

Well, I was kind of surprised that a child of this age knew this much about the skimmer. And that you could extend the skimmer. I have some real life experience for you, Christopher. This past weekend in Palm Springs, California, one Knox Barron found a pool skimmer and would not get in the pool, but applied the pool skimmer in the pool, in the hot tub, on the yard, anywhere that the pool skimmer... He was like Vince in The Color of Money, but with a pool skimmer. But wouldn't swim.

He went in a couple times, but, you know, he likes to have control over his own body. Okay. He couldn't have full control in the pool. No, he didn't mind the water. He likes that now, but it's more just like someone had to be holding him some of the time in the pool, and he was like, no, don't touch me. One day, I'm going to be like Alonzo in training day, looking at Knox, and be like, do you like to get wet? We're going to jump in the pool. Anyway, so I buy the pool skimmer setup, generally. Unfortunately, Rebecca buys it as well. She buys

it right into the pool where she is sucked in. Okay. And we don't necessarily see specifically what's happened to her, but she is pulled in, screaming, and sucked down. And that's sort of the cold open of the movie. Is there like a whirlpool activity? There's a sort of a gulping,

gross drain at the bottom, which when we cut to decades later, and Wyatt Russell and Carrie Condon and their two lovely children are living in the Twin Cities and they are looking for a place to live because Wyatt Russell, an ex pro baseball player with the Brewers, has been diagnosed with MS. Oh, no. So he needs to find some place that has like ADA kind of like, you know, you got a ramp here, you got the hospitals nearby, we can, you know, not a lot of stairs or whatever.

And they look at this one complex and it's like, oh, well, this is probably the best place for me to go as a, as an MS patient. Yes. It's been fitted for someone who needs, it's a single floor home. There's a lot of like medical facilities on site. It's almost designed for him as he's recovering. But then they're driving home one day after looking at the stories. In the Twin Cities.

In the Twin Cities. Never made clear which of the two it is. And it also seems disturbingly like California. A lot of pools. Yeah, a lot of pools. It's summer for the entire film. They drive by this old house, and he's like, stop the car car and they go and they look at it it's got a for sale sign and what do you know the pool's in the back and he's like huh this pool this pool

would be pretty cool for the kids and his doctor has suggested doing water therapy for his ms and it's all fucking gross and you know the cover's on but there's like branches in it and it's just nobody's nobody's taking care of it in a long time and they're like oh this could be you know interesting and he looks into the pool as his kids went go back inside and he sees something and he's like what's what is this and he gets sucked into the pool but when he gets out of the pool he's got a baseball that's had the cover knocked off of it. Oh, okay. Hold on. Wait a second. Go back. Wyatt Russell gets sucked into the pool. Yeah.

He sort of leans over, falls in. He sees something in the pool. He's going to try and reach in and grab it. He's removed the cover. It's not really the cover. It's like a tarp. This is a very dilapidated pool situation. It's really nasty. It's been just kind of overrun with local growth.

Growth, algae, that sort of scum. So he gets in he's like oh no dad you're are you gonna be okay and it's it's just it's a moment he's sucked in yeah but is he like turned around in the pool he gets wrapped up in the tarp a little bit and so it looks it's a little unclear if there's some sort of apparitional force or if he's just a guy with a physical malady who's fallen yeah and then it's interpreted largely as he's had like an episode, like a fainting spell or something. And nevertheless, why Russell likes this house?

He's kind of fallen in love with it, despite the fact that it's kind of not a very nice house, ultimately. Okay, so what's up? Hold on, hold on. Before we get to the house, I have a lot of questions about the house and the pool and the Twin Cities

and just, you know, some like situational context. Can we go back to the baseball? So he... Oh, we're going to the baseball. Yeah, there's a lot of baseball. No, no, no, but I... Bob, this is an incredible film for you.

So he makes it out of the pool. Yeah. And he has found or... Yeah, a baseball. It's what he saw in the pool okay and so you will come to learn and it's a baseball without the cover it's been it's been ripped cover has been knocked off a little bit because it was been hit so hard oh it's like it's a it's a it's a metaphor really okay for for what he seeks okay and we'll as the film goes on you'll see that the pool has a particular power.

So the issue is that he used to play for the Brewers. He got diagnosed with MS. But even in his professional career, you get the impression that the family's moved around a lot because he keeps catching on with some team,

going to spring training. About a year ago, he gets his MS diagnosis. And he's kind of like ex-athlete, not really sure what to do with himself. But his wife, played by Kerry Condon, is working at the local high school in the administration office. And he's got two kids, both a son and a daughter. Like a 13-year-old and a 9-year-old,

10-year-old, something like that. Yeah. And the daughter is like a pretty good athlete and is like very easygoing. And then the son is like kind of like not not so good a little small trying to figure out like what to do with their life carrie condon his wife is a little unsure about this house okay but she wants to support her husband who's basically has had his career his livelihood taken from him and he clearly a big part of his identity is in being a third baseman for the milwaukee brewer yeah this is a film largely about the NL Central. The worst division to make a film about. Kind of in terms of character development, what would third basement signal to us?

You have to have incredible reflexes, I think, obviously. Early, sure-handed, durable. Expected to offer some power at the plate. Yeah, it's a power-hitting position traditionally. I mean, the guys when you're growing up, like third baseman, you're like, that guy's got a cannon. Yeah. You know, because strong arm and sure handed is what you want.

Yeah. Wide, you know, definitely gets his 200 grams of protein. All right. He definitely gets his protein. I mean, Wyatt Russell kind of looks like Justin Turner. Yeah. The erstwhile Los Angeles Dodgers third baseman. So I don't know if he was the model for this necessarily.

He's also now played, he's been in two baseball movies in like seven years. Is he groomed as Justin Turner? He's not groomed as Justin Turner. He has a beard. Okay. I don't know if it's as epic as Justin Turner's beard, but there are some similarities there. And Justin Turner, until he realized stardom with the Dodgers, was kind of a journeyman type, which is what we think this character is. But this is a guy, you know, who is looking for a way back.

A way back to health, a way back to normalcy, a way back to his own identity. And he's also trying to, you know, raise his family in a nice community after moving them around for the last 10 years. So let me ask some questions about the house. Style. Two stories. I would say not unlike mid-century modern, probably because this movie was filmed in the Valley. Yeah.

A lot of built-ins, you know, like built-in shelving needs a little bit of love, but it quickly comes together and is like a wonderful house. It's the kind of thing where like when they walk in it's really really broken down and with the next scene they've spent a month cleaning it up and getting it there's actually okay so it's a fixer-upper it also is is playing into the character absolutely there's rebirth happening here okay so there's one a critical scene that happens early on in the film where all four members of the family are in the pool which has been emptied of its water,

and are cleaning the pool together. They're scrubbing, they're spraying. Wyatt Russell's character is digging his hand deep into the drain. He's trying to find something, fetch something in the drain. They're talking about what their summer's going to be like. They're talking about this new house.

They're talking about baseball practice coming up for the young son. And how Wyatt Russell's maybe going to attend baseball practice. Which will be a big deal for his son, who struggles a little bit with his confidence as a baseball player, despite being the son of a professional baseball player. Wyatt Russell's digging around in the drain.

Oh, no. There's a lot of digging around in things and hands being caught in this film. This is the first of many. And I will say here, strangely, for a PG-13 horror movie that's pretty silly, it jumped on a lot of my fears. You were a little jumpy in this movie. I don't like, there's a big watermelon cutting scene that really plays up like somebody's going to cut their thumb off cutting watermelon.

It doesn't happen. But it's definitely like a big thing. And I'm huge cutting myself while chopping like it's a huge phobia of mine have you ever had to go to the hospital because of it no oh good yeah but I often hurt my finger on the mandolin when I'm making potatoes oh we don't have a mandolin I'm not allowed to yeah no we're not allowed to have one in the house and I did go to the emergency room because I cut myself on an immersion blender so oh yeah we still have it but i'm not allowed to use it zach only zach can use it these things are scary yeah pools are scary too that's why these are household things and so this guy's

digging his hand in in the in the drain and it gets caught on something and he slashes his hand open really a big scar right across the bend of his thumb. And he's pretty cool about it, actually. He's like, oh, that's a deep one. He wraps it up and takes care of it and they continue to clean the pool. Nothing else really happens after that. Well, so it gurgles up some sewage-looking stuff. So they have

a pool guy come and it's Ben from High Maintenance, right? Yes. And he turns in one of the cameos of the young year. It's just a one-scene fucking display. Ben Sinclair comes in and he just, he Dion Waiters the fuck out of the movie. He's in it for 90 seconds

and everything he says is funny. And the most important thing is that we find out that this pool is, I didn't even know you could do this, is just basically a pool on top of a spring. A natural spring. A natural spring pumping into what, and they've built a pool

to contain it. But that suggests that there's like kind of like a deeper mysticism to this source of water. Okay, sure. Ben Sinclair is delighted about this and explains all of it. He does so in a very upbeat way. He's also a bit of a doof.

But the family is kind of mystified a little bit, just as I was mystified, because I also didn't know that this was something that could happen. But we learn this. They start to fill their pool. They revive the home. And then they start to kind of go about their lives, right? They start swimming more regularly. He's doing his water therapy and seems to be getting stronger.

Yes. The young girl goes to school and meets a young boy and they hit it off and he's a member of the swim team. It's a Christian swim team. It's a Christian swim team. So things are happening for this family. One day, Wyatt Russell... swim team so things are happening for this family one day why russell um in what ways does the swimming explore their christianity i he's christian he's just like i think it's like

uh it says it on the flyer that he gives her where it's like this is the christian swim team see you friday night absolutely i mean there's a joke late made later in the film about how he's christian despite him kissing her and how it's hotter because he's Christian. Oh, okay. You know, I don't want to overread Night Swim, but Night Swim is definitely about the resurrection of Christ. There's just no two ways about it. Do you know what day that happens? It was, it's three days.

Yes, Easter. Right? No. Easter, yeah. We talked about this last time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets, he's gotten some. Yes, Easter. Right? No, Easter. We talked about this last time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets, he's gotten some. I've gotten confused recently.

This is about Christmas is Christ's death. I've said that a few times on mic recently. I apologize to Christ. Nevertheless, there's one moment in particular where he goes into the pool and his bandage is all wet. I think he's actually gone in to save his son at a certain point

right during a scary sequence it's just worth noting that as in the first few weeks of having this pool which just looks like a fucking dynamite pool

let me just say OG 90s suburban pool like the pool that your friend had we were having this conversation literally in Palm Springs

where we were like we didn't have pools growing up we had friends who did we tried to spend as much time at their houses as possible it's basically worth noting that each member of the family We were having this conversation literally in Palm Springs where we were like, we didn't have pools growing up. We had friends who did. We tried to spend as much time at their houses as possible. It's basically worth noting that each member of the family seems to be having their own private, like secret, weird communion with the pool. For some, it's scary.

Like they think they see somebody on the side of the pool, which is, this is another, like it's a pool can get weird at night. You look up and you're like, did I just see something? And then Wyatt Russell seems to be relying on the pool as a source of strength and regenerative power. He is doing this water training and at a certain point, he takes the bandage off his hand and his hand has fully healed. It's been like two days. This large gash in his hand is fully healed.

Later, he goes back in to have more testing for his MS and it appears that his cells are regenerating and replenishing and he is getting better. And so it's at this point the camera zooms in

on his face when he's talking to the doctor and he says, we have a pool. And the movie, I know the movie knows how funny this is like the the the critics at the critics screening that we attended were chortling yeah like when like there was a good crowd because

like it would be like 1992 and people were like hell yeah very funny um so it quickly becomes clear that not only is this a movie about a haunted pool which in and of itself is a fun idea but this is kind of the shining oh okay that what happens is that why russell's character is becoming obsessed with the pool and obsessed with what it is giving him and his relationship to it which is different from his family's relationship so there's that layer of it but then there's this kind of more supernatural thing happening where Wyatt Russell goes to his son's baseball practice and everybody's like oh shit it's Ray Waller he used to play play for the Brewers because everybody follows the Brewers

and in 2024 yeah after some cajoling even though he's using a cane the coach is like come on Ray you want to hit one for the kids so So he gets into the batter's box. And the first two pitches, he's just like, oh, jeez. And like falls down. And it's like, is he going to be okay? And he's like, throw me that again. It's a high fastball. And he fucking turns on it.

And launches one out of the Twin Cities, honestly. He knocks out the lights. It is an act of Robert Redfordian. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And it's like, oh shit. And Wyatt Russell just shout out to him. Great.

He's obviously a very good athlete and it's just always very convincing when he's doing these things. Also, he's great in this movie. He's giving it his all for Night Swim. So they, things are looking up and they decide to throw a community, like a neighborhood pool party to like introduce themselves to everybody. Kind of like to sort of announce the presence of authority. It initially starts as a way for Elliot, their son, to make friends, but quickly becomes this big social gathering for the entire neighborhood.

Sure, as they do. Yeah. And the kid, the son of the baseball coach, comes up to Ray, to Wyatt Russell, and is like, would you sign this for me? And it's the baseball that he hit out of at practice. And it is the baseball that he found in the pool. Because it's got the covers falling off. So something's going on here. So at this party, by this time, son and daughter are- What's the party vibe?

Classic pool barbecue. Jell-O rum cake? Yeah. Oh, okay. Watermelon getting chopped up. Got it. Beers poolside. Dogs, burgers, yeah.

Dads, moms, kids. Guys drinking buds. Yeah. It's a party. There's some exuberant, unidentifiable hip hop playing. What's that? Would you eat a Jell-O rum cake? Not sober.

Do you like Jell-O? I don't hate it. I'm an American. That is shocking. That's shocking to me. Texturally and... Shocking? The odds for you disliking Jell-O were like minus 700.

Yeah, I don't think... It seems like something that you would despise. I can't recall the last decade in which I consumed it, but I never felt like I hated it. I don't like Jell-O with other things. Okay. Like cocaine? No. Like Jell-O with stuff inside of it?

I haven't tried that, actually. You know, sometimes there's big Jell-O salads with things. Oh, yeah. That sounds bad. In the Midwest, I think Jell-O salad is a delicacy. When I was a kid, I would eat a Jell-O cup, just like a cherry flavored or lime flavored or whatever. The texture of Jell-O itself, I'm good with. But once you're mixing it in with other textures, I'm kind of a texture wuss.

Honestly, you know, like I get that weirds me out a little. Okay. But that's on me. I associate it with dental work. What? Oh. Oh, like the only thing yeah yeah that's what putting to me yeah yeah hospitals that's not great what is a jello rum

cake i don't know this woman is like here's my famous jello rum cake i put most of a bottle of captain morgan so is it just jello with rum yeah this woman is very important this woman it's just like rum jello rum shots in cake form. In like a bundt cake. In a bundt cake. Yeah, of course. Sure, classic. There's a joke made

along with her husband who's basically like, when I eat this rum cake, I want to get down with my wife. These people are like 65 years old. But the woman in question who has made said rum cake is the real estate agent

who sold them the house. So while Wyattsell is in the pool playing chicken with uh the baseball coach's son and carrie condon has already had her like weird moment in the pool where she's doing laps and hears somebody say rebecca rebecca like there's like haunting the hauntings are are are are are happening all three of the other members of the family are afraid of the pool now in some

in some weird way it's not and just to clarify the person who's haunting the pool is named Rebecca it's the daughter among other people okay alright well

because it will become clear very soon what is really going on here with this pool so Wyatt Russell's character is in the pool

the whole neighborhood is in the pool at this point but carrie condon is inside talking to her real estate agent and she's like like what happened here like something is not right about this pool what happened here the real estate agent as is so often the case in a film like this hems and haws a little bit i was gonna tell you i wasn't sure i didn't you seem to be having such a great time in your house. But 15 years ago, there was a family and a little girl. She drowned in the pool. And I don't know why that would make

you not want to use the pool. But the family that owned the house before you didn't use the pool. It all dawns on Kerry Condon. There's trouble in this pool yeah at the same time his son Y. Russell's son is up in the top floor bunk pulling a like a a body double style like

with his camcorder viewing everybody in the pool filming what's transpiring during this sequence and he's watching his dad and his dad is underneath the water

playing chicken with this boy and another father and another boy and another boy. And he's becoming possessed in the pool in real time. That sludge we saw at the beginning of the movie

is filtering up through the pool. And going into his brain. It is going into Wyatt Russell's character. And it is haunting him. Yeah. And possessing him. And he is then

pulling the boy on his shoulders while they're playing chicken down underneath the water and drowning this boy. And it's getting very scary and very upsetting. And nobody really knows what's going on because there's a boy under the water who's drowning, but nobody can really see it.

And we see Wyatt Russell's feet moving further and further down the deep end. But his son can see what's happening. And his son races down, alerts his mom. They make a commotion, and then everybody runs into the pool. Saves the kid. The boy is eventually saved.

And then Wyatt Russell's pulled out of the water. It's like, is he having another episode? But he seems to be like, okay. And, you know, obviously the party ends. Everybody's just like, maybe stay away from our family for a while. To Wyatt Russell. They're instant pariahs. And it's tough.

Because now I think the family understands what the viewer understands. Which is that this pool is haunted. This pool has spirits living in the drain um at this point um the kids have each seen like some sort of like apparition in the pool when doing swimming there's a moment where elliot the sun is like looking for a toy at one point and it's in the little drain on the side of the pool and he like reaches in and as he's pulling it out like it's got blonde hair on it ew yeah and then he sees like a fucking beast in the drain which is always like when i was a really little kid was always like a little bit of a fear of mine number one fear something is in the drain number two fear somewhat unfounded is that there is a

shark at the bottom of the pool took a while to understand that pools are not oceans, you know, when you're a little kid. This film has some ideas about that. Yeah. What could really be happening in your pool. Right. Carrie Conlin's character is like, something is wrong. Is it like, well, is it a portal to the ocean?

It's a portal to a sacred... Let's describe how it is revealed. Okay. Carrie Conlin wants to get out of the house. Her kids want to get how it is revealed. Okay. Carrie Conlon wants to get out of the house. Her kids want to get out of the house. They're like, there's something wrong with this pool. We got to go.

I don't know where we're going, but we're going somewhere. They get in the car. They get Wyatt Russell in the car even though he's apprehensive. And as soon as they start driving away, he starts having an episode. He starts having like a fit.

He's convulsing. He's spitting blood. He's like, I can't go. They stay at the house. They put him in bed and he's stuck there. And they're not sure what's happened. He's had some blood. He's like, I can't go. They stay at the house. They put him in bed and he's stuck there. And they're not sure what's happened. He's had some sort of regression in his condition.

Carrie Condon's got some downtime. So she's like, I'm gonna figure out what's going on with this pool. She starts doing some research. She gets on the horn with a real estate agent. She's like, it's not just Rebecca, this one girl who drowned. Turns out, and then we get that fast cut

through several archival images of many people who have disappeared at this pool over the last 150 years. It is microfiche city as we have seen in so many horror movies.

They didn't spend a lot of time on it, which I guess I appreciate. You know, sometimes you're like, well, it's basically like it seems like there might have been a mental hospital here at some point.

You know, like. Right. This is, I mean, I, okay, just keep telling.

I just want to say creatively, the movie kind of like craters here. The movie is like, up until this point, I was like, this movie is scary. It's got fun baseball shit. It's got two actors I really like and it's working.

It is really working. Now, this is true in many, many, many studio horror movies. It's really hard to do the last 20 minutes. Last 20 minutes here are entertaining. I'm not sure if they work. But here's what happens. Carrie Condon is like,

I'm going to find who used to own this house. And I'm going to go track her down. She finds a woman, an older... I'm just... I'm so... I know it's a movie. I'm so real estate frustrated right now. Because you have more questions about the real estate?

It's just like you do all of this research before you buy a house, you know? It's all there on Zillow. They seem like a pretty low-tech family. Okay, but it's not 1992 anymore, right? He's using a camcorder rather than his iPhone. It's confusing when it is.

Yeah, maybe it's like 2013. But if the microfiche supercut exists, then there have been like... I mean, she's using the internet. So it's definitely the internet. Yes, but she's using... It's like Windows, you know? Was it? I don't even remember.

Yeah, she definitely hits like... My dad uses Bing still because he gets better results, he says, without ads. So don't, you know, he says, without ads. So don't, you know, don't knock Windows necessarily. Okay. I think it's wise of them to not put a year on it. They're getting rid of cookies on Chrome. That's big for you.

All that rejection paid off. I'm still doing it every day. You're like Jon Snow. Every website. All the hordes running at you. Yesterday, I picked up a new prescription at the drugstore. And the number of screens that I had to hit to opt out of being notified, it was upwards of 12. But I was like, I will persevere. You will not sign me up for auto texting.

There is literally an artificial intelligence machine right now recreating your voice saying, like, I salute Hitler. So, like, just keep that in mind. The prescription thing is kind of useful because it's like. It's not. It's not actually. They're always refilling it at the wrong time. Oh. And it's I don't want to be a part of it.

And then they sell your number everywhere. That's right. You know, it's it's very frustrating. Also, while I was there, I saw a sign that was like, probiotics take 30 days to work. So we're not giving your money back. So they might be with Chris. Very notable for you.

Just wanted to put that. Okay. Circling back to night swim, quite literally in the pool, we're doing another lap. She finds the woman who owned this home. This woman is also at a late stage of her life. She's got an oxygen tank, but she lives in a very lavish estate,

which we learn very quickly has been bought for her by her son, who is a very successful U.S. diplomat. He's not there, but she speaks of him lovingly. And Carrie Condon is trying to get to the bottom of it. She's trying to ask her about her time living in the house that they eventually bought. And the woman is acting as though she did not have a daughter. She's not responding to questions about the daughter. Just my son.

It's just me and my son. My son who's given me all this, who's made me so happy. My pride and joy, my son. And Carrie Condon starts describing to her what's going on at her house. And finally, the woman sort of relents and says, you don't understand.

The pool can give you what you want. It's a wishing well. You just have to make a sacrifice. Yeah, the pool demands give you what you want it's a wishing well you just have to make a sacrifice yeah the pool demands a sacrifice and it becomes clear that this woman

has overseen the death of her daughter to give her son this hugely successful life this life because he was when we met him early in the film

he was not well okay and he has been restored because she sacrificed her daughter to the Waller family. So it's like, obviously, Wyatt Russell's character is hugely benefiting from this pool. So what's the sacrifice going to be?

And it turns out, as she races home, Wyatt Russell is increasingly becoming possessed from the goop in the bottom of the pool. It's like running through his veins. Pun intended. Perhaps. Pun intended. No, goop is not used as a word. The kids are home. They've gotten home from something.

And they are like, where's dad? And it just goes really wrong really fast. And we get a huge, like Sean said, the classic last 15 minutes turns into like a beast is chasing us. And it's Wyatt Russell is now possessed and like throwing his family around. And he's like, the pool demands a sacrifice. It's going to be Elliot. Elliot always had like a hard time with life.

But like everybody will like get well. We will benefit from this if we sacrifice our son, Elliot. So he's in the pool. Elliot's in the pool getting, you know, drawn down into the deep. And Carrie Condon just fucking like free dives it. She like takes a big hit from hose air and just jumps into the deep and Carrie Condon just fucking like free dives it she like takes a big hit from hose air and just jumps into the pool and swims down and

rescues her son and then there's a I mean should we just cut to the chase there's a baseball bat beatdown of the possessed Wyatt Russell yeah well I think the thing is is that it becomes clear when when Carrie Condon's character goes underneath the water that the depths are far beyond the pool.

That there is a kind of like paranormal, oceanic world of lost souls inside of this pool. And so, it takes on a little, I don't know if you've seen the Insidious movies, but the Insidious movies kind of have this as well. Those are the Patrick Wilson. Those are the,

you might be thinking of Conjuring. Not the Conjuring. Conjuring, the haunted house ones. I think you actually would enjoy the Conjuring. the Conjuring Conjuring the haunted house ones I think you actually would enjoy the Conjuring I've seen the Conjuring those are the ones I like

Patrick Wilson and Rose Byrne are a couple who live in a haunted house as well they are haunted Patrick Wilson he's cooking

him and James Wan have a partnership might be able to buy the Brewers he's done quite well he's been in those movies where it's like we make this for

two million he directed The Last Insidious in fact but in those movies there's something called i want to say it's the other side it's not the other side but there's like another dimension in which like evil roams this is it's kind of a ripoff of that that like inside of this pool beyond the pool is this but it's like a water dimension correct um and she saves elliot from this dimension but it's a it's a different dimension it's not like the depths of the ocean.

It's unclear. It's not like that. It's a mystical well. Yeah, because what the mother, the evil mother who sacrificed her daughter explains is that, and there's like a little bit of like, was this like a sacred Native American thing, right? Like, or there's just something going on with like,

this spring was like an area of like worship and an area of like truly like it was vaunted by like the people who came here. And then somebody fucking put like a two-story house next to it. Okay, got it. Yeah. And then there is that beatdown that Chris described in which basically the demon is beaten out of Wyatt Russell's character by his daughter who swings a baseball bat quite metaphorically,

hitting a home run and sending the demon out. First, like, definitely, like, caving in his knee. So he's, like, definitely never going to play for the Brewers again.

No, definitely not. And he kind of coughs up the dark water, so to speak. Yeah, but the dark water is now in the sun. And it finds its way into the sun. There's got to be a sacrifice to get this dark water out of people.

And Wyatt Russell's like deuces jumps in the pool goes in the pool and he sacrifices himself okay and uh that's kind of the end

of the movie yeah and there's no real there's no like suggestion of what law enforcement might have had to say about this like where

it doesn't come up like where ex-brewer's third baseman and MS I'll tell you make a hell of a ringer True Crime pod. It definitely would. That would be a really good show.

Honestly, sales should just make it the Ray Waller story. The hot corner. And it's also worth mentioning the one thing, the detail, that honestly, for all of my jumps at different jump scares, because they were very effective. Some of them were good. Sean was most focused on the fact that Ray Waller seemed to be an alumnus of St. John's University.

He's wearing a hat and sweatshirt that said SJ Red Storm. And I was like, I guess St. John's does have a baseball program, but Bob, is that an elite baseball program? You're asking the wrong guy for college baseball. I'm sorry.

I don't know, I don't know shit about college baseball. It just seemed weird for a guy who seems like a Midwest guy who seemed to have a career.

St. John's Red Storm baseball team. They're in the Big East. Well, certainly. Are they ranked? They have made college. The last time they were

in the College World Series was 1980. So, Ray Waller, arguably, was the greatest baseball player in the history of St. John's baseball. We could probably safely say that.

I'm sure there's a St. John's alumna listening to this and saying... Mike Hampton went there. Well, that's pretty darn good. Mike Hampton, Al DiStefano. Mets legend Mike Hampton. Yeah. Colorado Rockies legend Mike Hampton.

Joe Panik. I gotta be honest. I think that you guys are talking about a different Mike Hampton. Yeah. Colorado Rockies legend Mike Hampton. Joe Panic. I got to be honest, I think that you guys are talking about a different Mike Hampton because I'm looking at the current head coach who is named Mike Hampton. Frank Viola went to St. John's. Oh, I knew that. I thought that was going to be like,

I got to be honest, you're just reading the names of college baseball players from the 80s right now. Like, this is, I thought you were going to produce. Wait a second. These guys pumped out some really impressive baseball players. Rich Aurelia? Yeah, sure.

He was good. This is, but this is an older vintage than our guy, right? This is, this is not quite the same as, as Ray Waller. No. Ray Waller is a 2000s ball player. No, he's like, I mean, Ray Waller probably did juice with Ryan Braun, right? Wow. You're making that accusation?

Allegedly. Allegedly. Do you think that that led to his downfall? Did you guys name Joe Panik? Wow. You're making that accusation? Allegedly. Allegedly. Do you think that that led to his downfall? Did you guys name Joe Panic? Yeah, he did. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. So Night Swim.

Guys love naming guys. Honestly, a lot of fun. Very stupid, but a lot of fun. What questions do you have? Well, I was going to ask you, what were your takeaways on the subject of families, pools, or wellness? You know?

What are you taking into 2024 from Night Swim? More accurately, would you be willing to sacrifice a life so that you could bulk in a pool? Well, does the end result, does it net out with me

playing third base for the Brewers? Sure, yes. Yeah. This is the tough thing about having... At your current age? Yeah. That'd be quite a story.

46-year-old famed podcaster becomes Brewers third baseman knocking the cover off the ball. Wow. Five foot seven.

Now that's a true crime pod. Yeah. That would be really something. Yeah. 135 on 200 grams of protein a day alone. So you would do it? That's a true crime pod. Yeah. That would be really something. Yeah. One thirty five. Yeah. On two hundred grams of protein a day alone. So you would do it.

Well, here's the problem. I, you know, obviously come from a small family and I currently and most likely will have a small family. So there's really only one person I can sacrifice. So that's really tough. Yeah. It's a one for one. It's not like eight is enough and we just toss one kid in the pool. You know what I mean? Does it have to be a sacrifice of your own blood?

Like Sean, Chris, could you sacrifice Sean? How close does the person have to be? Oh yeah, they don't say whether it could be Fred. So would you sacrifice me forever to the pool dimension?

To the big picture. And then me and Amanda could do things the way we want. We could just talk about salt burn all year. Oh, it's not too late now. Oh, yeah. Let's go. Salt burn. Thumbs up.

What was it about? What do you mean? Like, what did you think salt burn had to say? Block party was good. That shit really cooked. I don't know. Parties are fun. Yeah,

they are. I thought, I just, I was never bored. I completely agree with that. I had, I had a great time except for

when my husband started misbehaving. We just talked about, is this coming out today? It's coming out in three years. When is this actually coming? By then, Chris will be on

a Hall of Fame trajectory for the Milwaukee Brewers. I want this to be the key evidence in the trial against you when I'm sacrificed to the pool. I've buried it

as an Easter egg. And then cut to me in the Brewers' dugout. She's like, could Ryan break Joe DiMaggio's history record? And you're being hauled off

to San Quentin. Yeah. I don't know where we are anymore. This was really nice, Chris. Thank you. Oh, I'm done?

Yeah, you're done. Get out of here. Yeah, get out. Okay. Get out. I had to lose my life for this we're so far down the road my family's been grieving

for years and they've just learned that it was because you put me in a pool it's a really tough beat do you have any other questions just so you can get your salt burn takes off

I can't believe this shit you what am I like nothing else I can't alright I'm done I think you did a pretty thorough job

I'll be back on this pod yeah apparently you're taking it over so you'll definitely be back no schedule thank you to CR sorry to my family

for being sacrificed thanks to our producer Bobby Wagner for his work on this episode this Sunday Amanda will be coming to you immediately after the Golden Globes. Are you excited about the Golden Globes? Yes.

Okay, didn't believe that. We'll see you then.