The Big Picture - The ‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ Watch-Along!

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

Sean, Amanda, and Chris visit Pandora and join the Na’vi to watch James Cameron’s ‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ in anticipation of his upcoming sequel, ‘Avatar: Fire and Ash.’ Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders Shopping. Streaming. Celebrating. It’s on Prime. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm Sean Fennacy. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the big picture at conversation show at Avatar the Way of Water. Yes, CR is here. It has been 616 days since our last watch-along podcast when we bravely embarked on all 189 minutes of Babylon last March. Do you remember that, Chris?

Of course I do, yeah. That episode was not filmed for video. No. This episode is being filmed for video. We're going to top 189 minutes today with an even longer film, a bigger film, in more ways than one. We're coming to you live by tape to watch James Cameron's epic follow-up to Avatar, which Chris Ryan has not seen.

No. Chris has never seen Avatar. So no Avatar. Not full. I saw Avatar bits and pieces. I've never seen Avatar Way of Water. So you're going to watch the sequel to that film with us. Hopefully ask some questions.

Hopefully. I was planning on just watching. Okay. You might be asking yourself, why are we doing this right now? Well, the follow-up to this film, Fire and Ash, is opening later this month. And last night, Amanda and I got a chance to see it. We did. So the timing here is good for anybody who wants to freshen up on the way of water

before learning about Fire and Ash. The timing would have been better if you and I did this before seeing Avatar Fire and Ash, but that's okay. I thought I was going to have jury duty, so I couldn't do it my day. Are you on the hook all week? Kind of, but I'm also thinking about breaking the law a little bit. Okay, I have to read the instructions because Sean can't see. If you want to literally watch along, you can stream it right now

and listen along with us. The movie is available to stream for subscribers on Disney Plus, as well as Paramount Plus, and, of course, available to rent on Apple, Amazon Fandago at home, or wherever you rent movies. In addition, Sean is willing to bet that many of you listening right now own this movie at home. That's between you and Sean. 4K! And your budgets. We will get to the Live Watch right after this.

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So if you want to watch along with us, that's great. We will count you down into it. If you don't want to re-watch this movie, but do want to listen to this three-hour-and-12-minute pod, you're a psycho, but we really appreciate your patronage. Here we go. We're going to start now. Ready?

Five, four, three, two, one. press play. Okay. Nothing's happening. Oh, now something's happening. 20th Century Fox, one of Disney's great acquisitions. I think that's been going well?

20th Century Studios. Yeah. By the time the way of water was released in 2022. I think it's been a net positive for Disney. What's been the best thing to come out of the acquisition?

Romulus. Yeah, pretty much. It's been good. Did you see the amateur? The film with Rami Mom at this year? Yeah, I thought that was cool. You did? I was all right, yeah.

Okay, I think it's pretty mid. You do that all the time, where you ask me if I've seen something, and you lead me in the direction of we're going to high-five about it, and then you're like, it was mid. Chris, I need you to pay attention to the film here. Right now, I think we're in the depths, Pandora. Yes, which is an alien world. It is.

Well, okay, let's talk about it. Ooh, so that is Pandora. It's an alien world, or is it a moon? I think it's a planet. No, because I was rereading Zach Barron's interview with profile of James Cameron. Yeah, maybe you've heard of him, that was released in GQ for this film, and it identified Pandora as a moon. Okay. And that shit goes through the Kahn-in-asked fact-checkers, and they mean business.

Do I even dare ask a moon orbiting what planet? It did not specify that. Also, Jack just texted me to say that the TV's on mute, so we can unmute it if we want. The forests of Pandora hold many dangers, Chris. read it for you until we unmute it. And they're breathing. So it's a moon with forest, which was not my understanding. There we go.

Yeah. I have been learning a lot about space because my three-year-old is very into it. And he figured out where the space section in the local library is. So, but we haven't gotten to like moon designations and what makes you a moon rather than a planet. I guess it's gravitational. We kind of really situate the listener here. Pandora is a moon. Tiri is on the screen.

She doesn't know who that is. That's Zoe Saldane's character. She's pregnant. Head of the CIA's Lioness program. I think she's no longer. I think the baby has been born. The baby's been born. Yeah.

Cute baby. Yay, that's nice. Right now we're hearing from Jake Sully. Okay. Who is paralyzed American soldier who is booted into like a Navi, right? Correct. He was booted into a Navi replacing his brother in the Navi program. Okay.

His brother who was a scientist who was not disabled. and because they shared the same genome, his brother replaced him after his brother died. Okay. And that's what led him to becoming a part of this world. He goes into this world, enters the avatar, falls in love with Natiri, and falls in love with the Navi culture. Right.

But is he able to participate in all this fully, or is he still in a bed somewhere where the thing stuck into him? He is now... Like the Matrix. I think that's a great question. I can't remember. This is part of what I was asking you last night. We do not see him in his human form.

But he's not in a room somewhere with, like, tube into his back. I don't think so. I think he officially cuts the court at the end of the conclusion of A-Tar. And also, this isn't an important. He kind of looks like Sy. He does, yeah. It's the cheeks, for sure. It does look like Cy.

But so this was a point of clarification that I needed at the beginning of last night's screening. But so Pandora is like a real place. In the world of Avatar, Pandora is a real place where people can go, as opposed to a simulation that is existing in the mind of the people and the pods. The whole thrust of this is that this is a real place that humans travel to because there's a natural resource there called unobtainium that will help them transform technology and power the economy forevermore. It's incredibly valuable.

That's spider. That is the offspring of corporal, no, Colonel Corridge. Was orphaned by the war and raised by lab, guys it's telling us right now um he's wearing a mask because he can't breathe in the hand or in air right he is human yes but he's playing is his dad rubisi no his father you'll learn later in the film is the stephen lang character okay okay who was the heavy of the first film and zoe's like zoya is yeah not keep him separate down for him yeah this is simultaneously the The simplest movie of all time and the most complicated movie of all time.

Right. There's a tremendous amount of lore. The genius of James Cameron. All James Cameron movies, right? They have a lot of detail and a lot of specificity in the world, but also the stories are extremely simple. Okay. The first film, you know, often compared to Dances with Wolves and Fern Gully, the animated movie. This movie is different.

This movie is much more of a family story. As we see. Yeah. Much more about the crisis of being a dad. Right. Yeah. So, okay. Avatar 1.

the humans, aka the Skywalker's in the parlance of the Navi, go... Sky people. Sky people, right. I was wondering about that. That would be some copyright violation. Well, they're all under the same umbrella now. That's true. We know that.

Yeah. Thanks to the acquisition. So they show up on Pandora because they want unobtanium, and so it's sort of like military industrial complex type, you know, menace. and then Jake Sully takes over his brother's body and then falls in love as a teary and then he leaves the human world and joins Pandora World as a Navi

full time and that's kind of where we leave it, right? Yes. The final shot of Avatar, which is sick is when he wakes up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. Into the, I'm going to tell him, I'm explaining to our friend Chris. Have you seen it? He's never seen the film. Well, which parts of Avatar one have you seen? I mean, it's mostly... In what context?

Like the context of, oh, it's on a TV or there's an ad for it or maybe like I get some sort of short-form video surfed to me about it? Here's why Avatar 1 is one of the most CR movies ever made. I have a short list of things. It can vanish in a heartbeat. Happiness can vanish in a heartbeat. So their family it all is about to be interrupted by this large star. Okay, one, this is a film about the complex feelings that many American men have about the military industrial complex.

Sure. In that, it is a disdemeanor. destructive force that ruins people's lives and destroys culture, but also heavy artillery is sick. And this is one of James Cameron's fascinations and also one of yours. That's one of its primary interests. Secondarily, Giovanni Rubisi is in it, playing a sniveling guy who stands in front of transparent screens all day.

Yes. And he plays golf. He's like the David Ellison of the Avatar world. So he's super cool. He is the... He's responsible for everything that's. That's good. Yes, the offspring of an incredibly wealthy man who was attempting to colonize these nations.

Gotcha. Okay, so a new ship is landing here. Oh, many, because we see more in the distance. I don't even remember this part. I imagine that watching this on a flat screen television with lights shining in my eyes is not the ideal way to receive it. But I have to say, it looks pretty cool. Yeah, okay. I get it.

We're like five minutes in. The animals are shrieking. Why are they burning this place? Well, they're landing. And they don't have respect for the natural world of Pandora, you know? Also, due to the incredibly traumatic events of the first film, they're attempting to kind of seek revenge on the Navi. So what are the traumatic events of the first film for the military guys?

The humans are turned away by the Navi in an epic battle and like a classic Cameron third act finale battle. And so do they get any unobtanium or? Not nearly as much as they would like, which is where we learned that there's another natural. resource in this film. Here are these guys. Macsuits, right? Yeah. So these are, you know, Chris, you're a fan of the power loader.

This is another thing, another reason why these movies are CR coded. Now, these power loaders are digitally rendered. Okay. I love that a power loader is the number one thing. That's number three. Are there power loaders and train trees? Number four is, I know that you think it would be awesome to be eight. to be eight feet tall

and married to Zoe Saldana. I don't even need to be eight feet tall for that. It would help. Yeah. Like, it wouldn't hurt. I think 6'2 would be cool. But you'd still look short. So the Navi are taller, so you want to have...

But I actually want to be married to, like, lion as Zoe Saldane. They're also like... But what if your skin was blue, would you be more attracted to a new person? No, as a thing to do with the skin tone, it's just like I just find her character in that show to be enigmatic. What's...

Where did she leave things, that character? Um, she continually tries to promise her husband, Dave Annabelle, who's a surgeon. One year later, just want to let you know trauma. Traum surgeons. So, like, the humans have landed. The family is traumatized. They're under attack. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Um, she keeps promising them that he, he's going to prioritize her family, but she can't leave behind the women she's trained in the Wyness program. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm much like myself. That's why I'm still here watching Avatar, The Way of Water with you assholes.

Okay. You can't leave behind the Navi. Yeah, that's right. Who's that? This is... Okay. Oh, this man just punched somebody. Yeah, so this is Corridge.

Mm-hmm. Steeman Lang's character. Yeah. That is? And he has been... Transformed. He's... He has been...

His consciousness has been moved into this Navi body. He died at the end of the last film, as far as I know. And... This is one of his colleagues. Okay. Who was a soldier in the previous film. So they now have some bad navvies. Exactly.

Exactly. The New Heavy is sort of the revived versions of these characters. Their consciousness has been implanted. Z Dog and Wayne Fruit. Wayne Groh. Wingrow. Yeah. Okay.

His consciousness and also their tattoos. Yeah. I think they're natural instincts towards violence and domination. Okay. Cool. Which is, you know, once again, a classic Cameronian comment on the male psyche. distinction here where you're like, when you're watching this, is it translating to your brain as like animated or is it translating to your brain as something else? Funny you should ask,

before the screening last night of Fire and Dash, there was a 90 second introduction. No, no, no, no, no, no. Three minutes? It was at least five minutes. Five minute introduction from James Cameron. Filmed or in person? Filmed. That specifically detailed. If Big Jim were there explaining this technology, you would have heard about it like that. You would have. But he recorded a video and they showed a lot of BTS of the making of the third film and the ways in which humans make everything in the movie. Okay. And it was kind of an anti-generative AI explanation, but also showing the ways in which motion capture performance is so critical to these movies. So like when you're watching Korich there and he's a Navi that is Lang giving the performance.

Yeah. You know, and what they show you actually, I thought it was pretty cool. It was very cool. It was very cool. I was a little taken out of. Oh, Giovanni. The magic of... It's now harder to watch these and not think about the people in the empty room

with the motion capture dots on their face when I'm watching this. And I did also feel like... I don't feel that. That it made me more aware of all of the creation of, like, the world around it. Because you see these performances, and they're just in a warehouse with a lot of cameras, you know? And so it's amazing of what they build. But I found myself spending more time being like, oh, okay, that looks pretty real and that looks, you know, not real.

And that looks animated and that looks whatever. So, yeah, he said no generative AI was used like 50 times. In that 2022 piece by Zach Barron, there's like Cameron says there's a lot of AI in this multiple times, which I thought was very interesting. So the generative doing a ton of work. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he doesn't just say it's human led. Yeah. It's what's most critical there. But that was just the explanation of sort of like a recorded video the court made explaining to his clone. Right. Yeah.

That he has his consciousness. That would Beasie downloaded his personality and his memories into a rogu stick. They're flying. Would you go into a Navi body after you die? Uh, yeah, for sure. Would you, Amanda? No. But I would know that.

I mean, I just let, listen. Would you be buried or burned? Definitely burned. Burned. Yeah, yeah. Cremated? Burned fire and ash. But then ash is spread at sea.

Well, you'll be buried at sea, but full body, as we discussed. Viking funeral on an ice floe? Dude, shooting arrows at me. What will make you the arrow, the flaming arrow and shoot you into the sea? Speaking of being full body buried at sea, so I did pull together a lot of ocean facts for later in the episode when you run out of things to talk about. But one of them was that they're just. like hundreds of thousands of buried, like, you know, coffins and bodies decomposing at the bottom of our oceans, among many other things. But because all of these people are like, no, I need

like my whole body to be sent down to the sea. So there's bones at this point. Think about that the next time you go swimming. So that's where Bin Laden is. Yeah. Yeah. That's where, I mean, that's where Megatron is. I was explaining this to you. He had a, I don't think so. Okay. What is Megatron made up of, like, the material? Do you think Megatron and Bin Laden are like right next to each other? He's a cybernetic robot alien? Okay, but so, like, is the material decomposing? I doubt it. Is Megatron responsible for

microplastics? I don't believe so. I believe he's more... I think I am. I think he's more of a fascist dictator robot. I forgot to turn my watchback from Philadelphia. These aerial creatures, the only way that you can fly them is to build a bond with them via the tendrils in your

hair. So, dragon style. Yeah. It's very similar. Yes, to Game of Thrones. Another thing I think you would like is some great flying shit in these movies. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. They're good of flying. They've, I assume, started an insurgency against the military occupation here.

I think so, but they're using guns because Jake Sully used to be a Marine. Why were they not supposed to use guns? They just didn't have that technology on this planet. This was, Pandora, a very spiritual place, a place about peace and relationship between... Run by the living creatures on Earth. Yes.

A very... So I don't know whether we learn that in, well, yes, sort of. Well, Awa is a female goddess. I mean, that's true. You know, we have a lioness and a goddess. Yeah. These creatures, I don't remember what they're called. These kind of horse dinosaurs.

Horse dragons. Okay. How much of what I'm watching right now, which is a fairly well-rendered action scene, I guess. Like, did you guys see this in 3-D when you first saw it? Yeah. So this is the point I was going to make. You have to see these movies in 3-D. I can't watch 3-D movies.

I know. And so this is a huge challenge. I'll be honest. Like, I guess you have to in the sense that you must see the artist's vision in the way that it's meant to be rendered. It just looks like watching a video game to me. I completely disagree. I could not disagree more.

Because I just watched Avatar at home two nights ago, and I was like, this is flat. This does not feel like it has the dimension that it is hoping. Sure. Attempting to have. For example, this sequence in space would just look tremendously better. If it felt like that satellite was three-dimensional. And even like, I should be shot like this with that much like death. The light, yes.

So, candidly, last night watching the movie, I was like, this is dramatically better, especially in the action sequences than watching the action sequences at home. I agree with you in the sense that it is, I mean, it's just showing off what they are doing, technologically speaking, and the way that the shots and the action are designed and meant to be seen. I get all of it. but, like, I was like I'm watching a different product that is, and in a... I hear what you're saying. To me, that is actually the one thing that makes it feel not like a video game cutscene.

Like, when I'm watching it in this environment, it does... It's hard to argue with what you're saying, Chris, that it doesn't feel like a more rendered world when you're watching it on a TV. On a big screen with the glasses, I feel like I'm being transported into the world. That was my big testimony about the first film, which I loved when it came out. I think that that's true, and I think there are also parts of the third that feel, and you turn to me in one part in particular, I was like, that was amazing. There are a lot of battle sequences in the third that just start to feel like I'm, they

look like a first-person shooter commercial that I have watched on TV many times. But that's weird. You know, the third movie, we'll talk about it when it comes out. So this is their base, their camp. Yes. It's high camp. Gotcha. Yeah.

I don't think you have to understand as much. I think it's a real feel-it kind of movie. Sure. Okay, so Spider is a grown-up now, I guess, or a teen? He's a teen. It's a year later, so he's probably like 12, 13, I imagine. One of the real mind-fucks of the movie is the character of Kiri, who is a teenage girl. Yeah.

Who's portrayed in the film by Sigourney Weaver. Oh, okay. She's a critical to this story. Sigourney Weaver is in the first film as a very powerful scientist who was running the Pandora program on behalf of this evil corporation, but she's, She is more of an ecological, you know, scientific figure of good. And she suffers a fateful end, but is sort of like transformed into the body. It's like her soul is transformed. But not her consciousness and not her scientific knowledge?

No. Huh. No. So she sounds and sort of looks like Sigourney Weaver, but she isn't her. Okay. But she's also a part of this family, though I guess perhaps not. a blood relative that is explained to her in depth in the future. But so the transformation is in one?

No, I don't think so. Is it in two? I think we learn about it here in this film. Am I watching Kyrie here? No. Yeah, so I don't know why you said that already. Because everybody who's listening to this either has seen the film already. You don't know that.

Except for Chris. Maybe they're watching it for the first time. You don't know. You think people are watching this for the first time when we yammer over it? that's an insane way to watch this. Well, people do all sorts of crazy things. You know? Maybe they also don't remember

and they want to experience the magic again for the first time. Then just go watch it and don't listen. Do you find that Avatar stuck with you? No. I literally last night, as it showed up, I was like asking Sean very basic questions about how the Pandora world works

and who these people are and whatever. I remember nothing. I am not an expert, but part of my point about the 3D. experience was one of the reasons why I think these movies get a lot of flack for not having cultural impact, which we can talk about some more later, is because they are best experienced in theaters. People see them in theaters. They're a ride. Yeah, they're like a ride. And then they're not really revisited at home. Which is, which is true. I'm realizing that I made a, it's his job

to do what? Oh, are they fighting about guns and stuff and battle? Is that Jake? Yeah, that's Jake. Jake and Niteri are married. I'm team Nateri on this. You know, Jake has a lot of Western ideas about civil responsibility, violence versus pacifism, spirituality versus secularism. Sure. How far into the future? Okay, so where are these people right now? They're in their base camp.

Oh, but I thought that this was. And these are all the scientists who were working with them in the first film. And they've all kind of moved over to the side of the Navi. So they have to wear face masks all the time. They have to wear face masks. But so where are they right now? Just in a building that they've built, like an outpost. But so, okay.

So are these the same people that we saw as like, what's happening? Some of these people are born Navi. Some of them are using their Navi pods to use. They're using their avatars. But then the Navi can come back into where the pods are. I guess so. That's a good question about the breathing situation. Yeah.

But also. Are they breathing oxygen? in here or what? But it's like, why would you use a Navi pod to go be a Navi if the Navi can just come in and talk to you, you know what I mean? Or why would? So that you don't have to wear masks and so that you can live inside the world. That's Sigourne Weaver. That's like that's essentially her. And see, this is Kiri. Okay. But so how are they related? She is just effectively like a spiritual clone. Okay, all right. Hold on. This is important. And you guys can watch, but we are recording a podcast. No, right. Well, this is a, so she's explaining.

but and she's relating to her because she knows that that's the living version of the person in the gel. Sheary doesn't know that right now, but they have a psychic, they share a psychic consciousness. No, no, does she know that this video, Sigourney Weaver is related to the person in the gel? Yes. Right, okay. It's just the same woman. Is it gel?

That's what it's, that is the doctor's corpse, yeah. Okay. And Spider is best buds with all these guys. Yes. He is like the foster son in this family. It doesn't seem like the lab has a lot of like protocols. Do you know what I mean? In terms of scientific.

So presumably, though, we're like hundreds of years into the future, though. Maybe they've just figured that stuff out. Yeah. So they don't have to worry about like microbiomes and stuff. I mean, I don't know if I think that's true. You don't hear a lot about Nabi catching the whooping cough or anything like that, you know? Although, but it's also just like, what if someone gets their, you know, grungy stuff into her gel, you know? But it's pretty sealed.

Well, until it's not. They're just walking really, really. What's going to be talking about microplastics? We're talking about biomes. We're talking about getting grungy stuff. I told you, I did some scientific research. You're about to be the boomerang theory politically for Amanda. We're like, we're an inch away from getting all the way to the other side.

While we're speaking of microbiomes and stuff, I realized I made a colossal era, which is I left my yogurt. my bag, is there someone who is... You can go get it. Can I go get it? I know, but then I got to go around. And I don't have a spoon. So can someone... Is there someone listening who can bring me a spoon? No, just get up and get it. What are you doing? You want your Butler Jeeves

to come in here? We can really talk. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I know that there's a huge visual, psychic barrier for you in accepting animation. I'm... I'll be serious. Like, what I said in the clip

your viral clip. The podcast moment that we had. I think a lot of it has to do with like feeling robbed of other James Cameron work by this project. And many people share that opinion. I think... Or did they pick up that opinion after I said

it? After I showed them it was okay. With respect, Chris, this movie came out three years ago and in between this movie and the previous movie was 13 years. So I think a lot of people thought about maybe the time that had gone by without a James Cameron movie. That's the other

reason is freaking E.E. Falco plays a general in this film. Oh, yeah. That's good. Who is a woman that you would throw your life away for. Yeah. It's true. The ledger... So this is E.D. Falco

is full of CR stuff. Yes. She's in a fucking power loader. She's Corridge's boss. She also forgot that she appeared in this film and was interviewed recently, and she didn't remember that she'd done it. No, come on. That's bullshit.

She was like, did that come out? This was something that happened in 2020. I mean, you probably do. But I'm finding people are starting to be a little... Performatively forgetful? Performatively offline. Oh. Actors who were like, I had no idea.

Am I in that film? You're going the other way? You're saying, like, I remember every pot I've ever done? I'm not saying that, but I'm saying, like, yeah, there were some times where I'm like, oh, I completely forgot we did this on big picture, or watchables with watch or something like. that. But I do remember, I think I would remember being in New Zealand making Avatar.

What's the worst episode of the watch you've ever made? Oh, there's definitely a couple. Do you know about Pannerland Sisters Yogurt? Is this a sponsor content moment? No, it's not. I'd love to be sponsored by them. This is the best fucking yogurt I've ever had in my life. It's from Pennsylvania, though I don't know where in Pennsylvania. Well, listen, it's, what? And what kind of flavors you got going here? Banana peach.

like hardware. What do you want for me? Like, they're going to have a problem with the Navi. The Navi are going to, you know, fight back. Like, will they get the unobtainium? It's fine. Like, we know what's going on. You think that's less germane than this Pennsylvania yogurt? I know that you have a yogurt mouth while talking on a podcast. I'm hungry. I need protein. It's a three-hour podcast. You said I could do whatever I want. And like, I truly can't tell you how good this yogurt is. Like, I know you don't do dairy anymore. Do you still have Greek yogurt? This is technically skier.

Like Christopher, like go buy some. They sell the large plane. I honestly can't believe how good it is. That's Pete Heggseth's favorite yogurt too. Yep. I'm mostly out on like really bulking with protein, but this shit's good. What are you talking about? Speaking of psychic breaks, there is like an ongoing Amanda's psychic break where she's like

everything's fine, you guys are the weird ones. She's clearly not the case. Talking about yogurt, 11 minutes into Avatar. I'm hungry. This is also what's going to happen is she's going to completely burn herself out. Hour two, she goes down. That's when we started talking about, Lane Kiffin. Are we getting back into rap?

I'm excited about Lane Kippen. I start reading Guardian U.S. politics live blog aloud. That's what it lifts off. See, R. and I did a solid 10 minutes on new music like an hour ago. and I felt like we were at the magician in 2006. It was just like, have you heard this yet? Have you heard this yet? I haven't been in that place to do in a long time.

About our tastes or about albums that have come out? Oh, no, about me. Sorry. I thought you guys were talking over me. I have some questions about that. It's just like, I really can't tell you how life-changing this yogurt is. And I think more people need to know about. No, about new music. What happens if they do say this lady?

She's Maga? Or Mahah? No. If the painter and sisters, yeah, they're the painter sisters. And they're like, you know what? Their fourth generation dairy farmers in Pennsylvania.

I mean, outlook like not the best for the politics based on what I know, but it is, you know, delicious. And what happens if they send you 6,000 cartons of that?

And like now you've got a house full of it. Well, I don't, I'll give it out. Maybe I'll just like set up a little. Like, Meno Brown? Absolutely. Yeah. Seriously.

We just ate it out yogurt on Christmas. There's so much yogurt consumed in my home that there's like, we have a yogurt shelf in the fridge. Have you guys gone to see yogurt Santa? She's been giving away yogurt all throughout the land for months. But no one in the family is allowed to eat this yogurt but me, because it's too expensive for the little kids' palace. That's generous. Knox tried it once and really liked it. This gets better and better, this story.

Oh, what happened to Kiri? She was napping in the grass. This was actually a slow, it was actually a good moment. Kier and this kid, spider, they beef a little bit, but there's probably something, a little spark, young love going on. Yeah, there's definitely some, there's definitely something between. What's up with the floating jellyfish? Or the flying jellyfish, I know that's a staple of Pandora.

Okay, you do. But like, what are their functions? Not everything in nature has a function. That's kind of in the what is her legendary question. You know, that life is a delicate ecosystem. It's honestly, because you're introducing as much mature, scur yogurt in cheaters as humanly possible. There's so many probiotics. Did you start a probiotic?

No. I thought you said you were going to. No? Okay. I don't think so. Did you use cocaine before the beginning of this pod? You're on a rail right now. Flying.

You're in the American scream machine. minting with right now is doing nothing different in my life. Except lifting with no preparation three times a week. Like, no stretching,

no eating beforehand. This is something you're doing now? So for the first few weeks of lifting, I was like, I should stretch, I should get ready or whatever. And now I did it a couple of times and I was like, I feel pretty good afterwards. Okay.

What happened to Chris? he tore both rotator cuffs simultaneously. Like, what kind of lifting? Like, bench presses? Like, what are we doing here? Bench? Okay.

Just dead lifts. Yeah. Sumo squats. Can you not do that? Subm squats are dope. Who's your first call? You're prone on your back. Always you.

Yeah. Always you. Dead body in a desert. I need you to dig a hole. It's calling you. Are you being serious? Yeah. That's honestly the nicest thing

you've ever said to me. And I will dig with you. No, I know. I think if I'm like, hey, there's like a post-hardcore band that also interpolate some techno elements. Would you like to go see them? You'd be like, no, I'm sorry? I would never.

But if I was like, I fucking killed a guy, then I need you to help me cover it up. I am your Michael Clayton. No question about it. But I do not want to spend any social time with you. I mean, I'm like a little hurt, but that's fine. No, I think you would actually be a pretty ride or die as well in that case. Yeah, absolutely.

Rider die what? You dropped a word there. Ride or die? Woman. woman, lady, gal? Who do you think would be better

at digging a hole right now just fitness-wise? You. Thank you. That's right. You're 90% yogurt

pulsating through your body. The power of scur I'm not doing heavyweight Pilates but then it's more free weights for me but I'll do like a pickup free rate situation.

Seriously, how many holes have you dug in your life? Have you dug one hole? You never dug a hole in your life? Yes, to plant our lemon tree that won't grow any lemons. Did you have like a What is that?

Why do you think I can't dig a hole? Because that's not your thing. You're not a manual labor person. You never have been. That's not. Honestly, that's gender norms, too, though. No, maybe never was like... I know Amanda very well.

Excuse me. What about the manual labor of growing two fucking children? Well, there was manual birth. And then carrying them up and now. Well, yeah, that's very rude. Let's dig a hole right now. Okay, let's go. Jack, get some dirt in here.

So this could probably be the first attack of Stephen Lange. homies, right? Is that what we're building up to? Yes. They're like, they're monitoring them. And they're trying to figure out how they're living. So the former Corridge is basically like Jake Selly is your all-time enemy. No matter what happens, you have to kill Jake Sully.

Okay. So that the Corritch Navi is singularly obsessed. This is their first like, yo, what's up? No, kidnapping. They're not bad Navi's now. Okay. Mm-hmm. all right i just want to note that we're like 30 minutes in and have not seen any water so just

a really good note yeah we have not yet learned the way well this is you know they can't stay here that's kind of what they're showing us right now you keep spoiling the movie before they get there this is fucked up this is not if this is your first time watching i just think that's such a weird way to watch it well i people do all sorts of weird things is this like spiders dumb this is just the kids yeah man you hate that yeah you don't want to see that. Okay. But this is what it's like, you know.

You come over to my house, you know, Knox and Sire there. They're doing whatever the F they want to do. Yeah. That's true. Jumping off a couch 302 times. Yeah. That's just something that happens, you know?

It's like them running through the forest of Pandora. Oh, yeah. Also, some of these kids are basically teenagers, too. So they're sort of like babysitting the younger ones. Right. Okay. I mean, this is good acting in, you know, digital makeup.

The kids are good in these movies. I don't know how I feel about the kids, but the grownups are good. Have the kids been making these movies for 15 years, or do they run different kids in there? They shot two and three consecutively. Okay. Okay, so who's writing your weightlifting program? Like, where are you getting the... I have people overseeing it.

Okay. Yeah. People overseeing it? Yeah. Like the Department of Defense or... These guys? Christy Noam is spotting me. that would be

good generative AI Chris Dunom is my bodybuilding and she's in full suit don't worry Chris she's in a red pants suit with like door knockers on but she's holding the bar for you

or I just have E.D. Falco and a mex suit holding the bed with a butt in her mouth yeah spider That's his son Yeah, that's right

He sees something in this boy Oh, and he's like Oh, it's Luke you I am your father They can't put babies in cryo Is that how you, so that's how you get back What's going on with Earth? Completely honest with you that yogurt is quite fragrant

He just politely said you stink No, no, not you. It's the peach. I mean I Like I would throw it away But I don't know where to I got locked out by the way when I went out. So when you guys go to the bathroom,

take your key card or have someone let me. You guys know how Louis C.K. is back. Yeah. He's like, he's back and accepted into society, like being reviewed in the New Yorker in the New York Times and whatnot. My favorite Louis CK bit was always the one

where he was like, I have a peach! Because remember that one? That was really funny. I don't really, I haven't really been watching the new stuff, but I do remember that old bit. You're right that this is peach yogurt.

Okay, but I had an avatar question. What is going, it's like 2150 in, like, Right. You know, BC. I don't know the year. Is that what it is? Is it 21.50? It's like 21.50 something. Again, this is what I'm going on or they're just exploring. That's what I'm asking. What's going on? Well, they're about to sit a spider back.

But I do think that they're in desperate need of new resources. We are now, you know? Yeah. So I'll tell you one of the ocean facts I learn. I'm not endorsing ocean drilling, but there are a lot of minerals and resources available to us in the ocean. And it's been quite unexplored. But, you know, then not by Jim Cameron, who has been going to the depths. But isn't he trying to protect that area? He doesn't want us to be doing deeps like.

It's okay for the Mariana Trench. Yeah. Okay. He's in the trench. He's in the, he went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. The deepest that anyone's ever been. He claims.

He claims. And then there's another explorer who's like, no, I went deeper. And did Jim Cameron say like, I see your deepness and go and take you one step forward? He's like, I went. He literally says he's full of shit

because you can't go any deeper than I went. I went to the bottom. So. That's the other thing. This is another reason why the Avatar films are so great because they create a new James Cameron news cycle. They're wonderful. Where he comes around and he just starts picking fights

with people who've been training to be deep-see divers. This is the first time I feel like he's been, the champ is cut. You think the champ is cut? A little bit. I think he's like, well, you know, maybe I won't make anymore. Nobody goes and sees three. He's done that every time. He does that after every movie so that he gets more money for the next movie.

You think Disney is happy with their investment? In the Avatar films? How come they haven't made Pandora as like a theme point? Avatar is the most successful movie of all time. Yeah. You haven't seen it. I understand. I'm asking if Disney is happy with their investment.

I support Disney in many other areas. I do think that... Name some of the areas. The foremost proponent of the upcoming Paul Bettney series Vision, White Vision. Oh, shit. Yeah. And you... Are you the co-star of that film?

No. And then... But Vision is not who she was grieving when she had the profound thing. But I thought it was also her brother. No, that was before. What was that line of dialogue from that show? Love means love is grief telling you that it's okay to be sad. That's not what it was.

Yeah, that's it was. Love is grief reaching out across time. Sure. I want to read you guys a quote that James Cameron gave Zach Barron in 2022. Why do you keep saying is it full name to me and Chris? You've got Zach as a husband. You don't have to, like, it's not like the yogurt company. I hope Zach Barrett is listening to this.

I've been citing his work. So a note that I get from him pretty often is that I need to say the full name of writers because they deserve credit. That's a frequent note that you get? Yeah, I do actually. He's like, if you have to talk about me. Not frequent, but like what's also, also. I'm starting book promo right now, okay? So, on his behalf.

Yes, novel, listen. Has he okayed this? You think I'm going to go door to door with yogurt? You just fucking watch me sell this novel. That always works. People love to be hectored about a novel. Well, I'm not going to hector them. I'm just going to hand them a novel.

Do you think people love doing reading and eating yogurt? Okay, but anyway. That's your fantasy. Sitting around reading a novel written by someone you love while eating yogurt. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I mean, honestly, the fantasy is like having a cocktail, but and maybe bumming a cigarette off of someone. And then Nellie starts playing. But anyway, no, so this is the quote that he gave, um, about the response to this movie and executives. The first or the second one? The, the first movie. Okay. And how people feel about this movie and how he's feeling about it. I said something I've never said to anybody else in the business, Cameron recalled. He said he told him, I think this movie is going to make all the five. money. And when it does, it's going to be too late for you to love the film. The time for you to

love the movie is today. So I'm not asking you to say something that you don't feel, but just know that I will always know that no matter how many, how complimentary you are about the movie in the future, what it makes all the money. And that's exactly what I said, in caps, all the money, not some of the money, all of the fucking money. I said, you can't come back to me and compliment the film or chum along and say, look what we did together. You won't be able to do that. You won't be able to do that. At that point, that particular studio executive flipped out and went bug shit on me. And I told him to get the fuck out of my office and that's where it was left. That's really what art's all about. No one is doing it better. Now, you could argue that that is

the strong perspective of a fascist dictator. That is not how you want. I yelled at a man and when he defended himself, I kicked him out. That being said, never doubt Big Jim has become an axiom because of him communicating in that way about his work, and he's proven time and time again. So Jake Sully has come to do an ex-ville? Yes. Okay. Because he knows his teens are taken.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do they know yet? Papa Bear is always, you know, waiting to help. He is a trained Marine. Sure. Who has a Navi body. That's good. That would have been a cool 3D shot.

That would have been nice to wear 3D glasses. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of coming right at you stuff in these movies. I just can't see well enough without my glasses. So that when I have 3D glasses, it just feels very disorienting. And then I assume now, because I'm using progressives for reading and stuff, that it would just feel really weird. Oh, okay.

And so you can't... Would you consider getting a pair of contact lenses that would work just for this? Just for Avatar? Yeah. Do you have a stigmatism? Is that why you can't do contacts? I think so. No, I don't like touching my eyes.

I know that... Oh, I baby. Yeah, you're an eye baby. Yeah. An eye baby. Well, that's... Zach is also an eye baby. Zach Barron is an eye baby, and when you give him, when Sean scratched his eye,

and then he had to get eyedrops, he would, like, dart like five feet away from the eyedrop. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That was tough. That wasn't my best work. It was just like a normal 4 a.m. emergency room visit. Bowen because he was an eye baby.

Couldn't wait until morning. Eye stuff is tough. You get used to it with contacts. It's fine. You do. Okay. They're okay. Okay, so they break free.

Is anybody still under Stephen Lang's? Look at this use of light. Come on, Chris. This fucking Jim Cameron. It's just light. It doesn't mean use of. No, of course, this is a digital environment, and he's shooting it through with this, this prismatic light. It's gorgeous.

Like, most digitally rendered movies don't do this. It's true that it looks so much better than every single other, like, straight up. I mean, I completely agree. The depth and the fog and the creating the atmosphere and the environment, the sound design. To me, this stuff is so much. It's so far beyond basically any Marvel movie that you watch or any superhero film.

Completely different, like, product of... Yeah. The only person that I compare it to, and you guys always will groan to me a little bit, is the Michael Bay Transformers movies, where it's like... I'm not grown in. They spent, like, two years

trying to make those movies look good. The first few Transformers films have more life in them than this does. Well, they have more humans. They have Shia. Yeah. Well, yes, that's true. And then later they have Mark Wahlberg.

That's true. And Turo. What's going on with Spider right now? He's locked up. Anthony Hopkins. Okay. Spider's been captured. Has the guy who played Spider,

played Spider done other work that I would have seen him in? You know, I don't know the answer to that. What's his name? I kept meaning to look that up. Let's look it up. Okay. I think he's awesome. I think he's good in this film.

I think he's quite good in three. Three is, the story is, it's important. It's spider-coded. Okay. Do you think at the end of this, you'll be like, I'm in, fire and ash, I'm going. Me? Yeah.

What do you think I'm talking to? Amanda, I saw it last night. I got to be honest, so far no. The spider. But listen, we haven't gotten to the way of water yet. Right. This is a lot of throat clearing. Do you think of yourself as a water guy?

As elements go, I would much rather explore space than underwater. Okay. And Sean, it's Chris, I'm in space. I killed a guy. You know I'll come give you. You know I'll come give you. Okay, so Jackson Champion was in Scream Six. As who?

Hold on. Jackson Champion. Ethan Landry, of course. Ethan Landry. He was also Kid on Bike and Avengers Endgame. Six is New York, right? And, yeah, I think so. And Trapp House, if any of you saw that.

But he's not on the poster here, so. He's one of the kids who's killed early on in their apartment. And Scream Six. Okay. Okay. But, yeah, his, like, Chew-Come on, you know, his TK on Wikipedia is just Avatar 4 and Avatar 5. She is, is, uh... Natiri.

Natiri, she's usually stressing, like, you know, we got to keep, we got to, We got to just stay out of trouble. We can't get into violent interactions. Well, she's a warrior. But I think she's focused on surviving and protecting her family. Kind of. She's also, like, connected to her world. Yes.

And the Navi people in a way that. They're in her world, right? Yeah, but Jake is bringing in, like, the marine technology and worldview. What the fuck is this? Yeah, what's going on? Is this advanced interrogation techniques? trying to find the location of where they're living,

where the base is. I see where this is going. Okay. So they, oh, so they captured him and everyone else got away with Jake Sully

and now he's being tortured. And he's wearing a face mask. I got to give this kid credit. He just turned 21. So he's like 15 when he's making this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty good.

I agree. He's also acting in a world in which everyone else is wearing a ping pong ball on their face. Oh, Stephen Lang. He doesn't like it. He's feeling paternal. Yeah. A single nosebleed. How's the last time you had a nosebleed? Me?

I've never had a nosebleed. What? I don't know. I've just never had one. You've never had a nosebleed? And you're living a blessed life. That's all coming up to you. That's what the protein will do for you.

You know, the scour yogurt. Is that one of the things that yogurt does to prevent nosebleed? it's so ironic given all the cocaine you've been using that you've never had a nosebleed or being like Alex Jones just being yogurt stops nosebleeds it's a great theme of this conversation nosebleed CR when's last time

2008 2008 2008 financial crisis you know what I mean that went fucking upside down at a couple of houses I started pouring out right Did you guys know that some people borrow money against their stock holdings?

Don't do that? Yeah, all the time. I thought that might be a new business. You're asking because you've done that? I was thinking about it. I was like, what would happen if I did that? What are you trying to acquire? I don't know.

I need a thing. You just need a lot of cash. Yeah, I want a bunch of cash and then maybe buy like a championship level football squad. Thanks. Thanks for my, yeah, you just sell my time that. Chris Bys Warner Brothers is something I want to see. I need to. What do I get to do?

Wait, wait, if I buy Warner Brothers? Yeah, what am I in charge of? Think carefully. Yogurt product placement. Making sure that in task, Mark Ruffalo is like, have you tried this Pennsylvania yogurt? It's really good. So how?

Right before shooting a guy in the head. How did task work out for you? Like in, like at the end? Yeah, like, yeah. Was it good ending? Immensely satisfied. You didn't watch it? No.

Were there any Navi? Did you watch the best? You watched The Beast in me? No, Zach started it without me. Zach Barron started it without me. So I'm still on my flight back from Philadelphia for Thanksgiving, the worst flight of my life. I watched three-fourths of an episode of The Diplomat, which I really enjoyed, but that's what I managed in the six-hour flight. That was what I got together.

Listen, it was real bad. It was a bad scene. God love my children. And in this case, not really not. Max's fault, but the baby did not want to be contained. But a man in front of, a man in front of me did watch the Big Short. So I was, you know, thinking about you. Back in the news, yeah.

Yeah, the financial crisis, Sierra's nosebleeds. Yeah. Michael Burry, he just. The Fed's pumping cash into the economy. What's he shorted out? No, Michael Burry stepped away. He closed. No, it's not true.

He's shorting Bitcoin. Well, he closed his brokerage. Okay, so who is being. His hedge fund is closed. Or no, he's shorting. he was shorting water data centers I can't remember so we're having some sort of ceremonies right now

I guess you can anything on like those prediction markets he's shorting avatar watch a lawns yeah so there's an so this isn't important so Jake Sully is getting

some sort of some sort of ceremony here oh they're leaving Torok Makto yes so and that was who is Torik Makto that's oh they're leaving their their spot

Navi name it's sort of I think it's his union with a larger creature that makes him like an epic warrior. Okay, so they had a, like, leaving ceremony because they have to leave because they're bringing danger to the forest community. But they don't know

that kid gives up the spot, right? They're going to get smoked anyway, right? Yes. Right, exactly. Well, he's not giving up the spot. I mean, I guess he could, but that is disrespectful to spider. This is a movie about fathers in a lot of ways. Yeah.

And families. Jack has just asked us, what percentage of this discussion do you think has been about Avatar, 35 to 40%. I think we've been doing actually pretty good relative to what we've been in. I'm surprised by how engaged in it I am. I fully agree. Listen, some water. Jack, what's the runtime? Jack, how many minutes are we in?

No, no, no, no. This has to be like a flight. You can't look at the clock. Okay. You can't look at the clock. Okay. I mean, you can. Is that part of what you're doing?

That is the mistake I made on my thing. You cannot ever look. Like, you have to read a book and then randomly be like, I wonder how, like, if you get, get like a nice chunk in, you're like, oh shit, I only got two hours left. Okay. Wow. It must be nice to be you and living that way.

Okay. So they're getting to the water. The way of water. You're a woman of the water. I do love the water. Though it's not, I was going to ask you, you are a Scorpio? What element is that?

Is that Earth? I think that might be. Earth, right? Scorpions. I think it's he of the nosebleeds. Okay. Scorpio 8th astrological sign

You're in the nosebleed moon as well It is water! What a surprise! Okay, so that makes sense for you. You and I, of course, are fire. Yeah, Leo's. So this is more of my kind of Avatar movie than...

I guess so. Astrologically speaking. This is minus all like the beasts and machine guns, my ideal vacation situation. Did he shoot this in sandals? I mean... Yeah.

Honestly, if you If someone walked in here and was like, don't even bring a bag, we're taking you in the car and sending you to sandals for week. You can come with us? I mean, I guess. If that was the price? Sure, because I would love to go to samples. I'm definitely not interested in that vacation. You would be terrible at sandals.

You would be fun. I'd be fine. Maybe they have a casino at Sandals before. So have I. We all have. I haven't done it all the sun and the sand. Yeah, I don't have done it. Yeah, but you don't like it.

I was just in Hawaii. It was great. I had a great time. best. Different navvies. Sure. Different spot, right? Yeah.

Yeah, this is just a... Why'd you guys come here? This is the Aqua people. Right. They're all Navi. But their cultures are different. A lot of these movies are all about simulation, differences between people,

kind of bridging the gap. Sure. I find... I found the third film to be the second movie in a row, the second great movie of this year about being a mixed-race kid. like there's like that's a the second great movie well one battle after another

yes no I know that but I more meant that Avatar Fire and Ash you think Fire Nash has greatness in it okay how full of shit was your tweet it's 100% true oh my god hold on I didn't even see this let's pull up the tweet everything in the truth you're still tweeting yeah how you're still looking at Twitter

feel fine for so what are we doing there's so many people who are like you can't be on there like other social media platforms are not also completely run by D-Mobile and fulfilled with demons. People are just full of shit. I mean, when did you send this? Did you send this while we were walking?

Oh, no, this morning. Okay, six hours. Yeah, that's fine. No embargo on that. I was trying to think of what movie it was reminding me of when I was watching the third film. Okay.

Dead serious, because I was like, the setup here. Is drums along the Mohawk? Is drums along the Mohawk, which is a John Ford movie. The third John Ford movie of 1939. Cool. Can you name the other two?

No. The only 1939 movie I can think of is Gone with the Wind, which is not a John Ford movie. Not grapes. The Irish one. What's the Irish one? What's the thing? It's not Irish.

Isn't it Welsh? How Green Was My Valley? Is that 1939? That's not correct. Okay. It's not... How Green is My Valley famously, I think the following year defeated Citizen Kane for Best Picture.

It's not any of the Cavalry movies. The Cavalry movies are later, right? Cavalry movies are later, right? movies or later um 1939 john ford made a stage coach oh i thought that was earlier than 39 my god young mr lincoln and drums along the mohawk oh young mr lincoln wow okay famously okay so your girl right here kate winslet yeah in the in the in the i know that she's not actually from belko but elko oh kate winslet sure yeah that's her how do you this is a thorny one but how do you feel about the water people having

these kind of Maori intonations in their dialect? I don't like that. Yeah. I think with Cliff Curtis, the actor who portrays one of the leaders here, you can kind of, you know, he's had some experience working in that world, but like, Kate Winslet doing the

Maori inflected accent is very odd. Yeah. I think that this movie, this world is obviously about you know, different cultures. It's assimilation, like cultural, like

exchange, accepting people, all these sorts of things, but it can be a little... Oh, yeah. Head to head? They just literally, they do literal hissing like a cat fight. It's very evolved representation of women in Avatar, all threes. So... Have you ever had to

apologize for your mate? Just been like I apologize for my mate. The way he just... Eileen's had to apologize for me. Yeah. I've never had to apologize for Eileen. It can be a little loose. with some of the big gym is always a little loose you know we've all seen true lies

there's always a couple of things where you're like it's a little broad maybe we could have gone a different direction thought this through a little more yeah doesn't he doesn't his brush stroke is deep and wide

you know it's not it's not thin yeah so the thing that I turned to Amanda yesterday was like 40 minutes into the movie and the kids were swimming in the water. Not the fire. No. And I was like,

it looks like these Navi are fucking swimming in water. It really did. Like, they're not in water. Even I watching that was like this this looks amazing. Yeah. Now, this, you don't quite get that as strongly when you're watching it in this way on a 48-inch

screen. I don't want to overemphasize that point too much, but since so much of this film now takes place in this kind of environment. The fact that they were able to make this. It's like a technical achievement unlike any other. I really give them that. Oh, just wanted to let you know.

Red Dead Red Dead Redemption is on Netflix games now. Okay. So, you know, for the boys. For the boys. Oh, okay. When he gets into Cowboys, he and I are going to play an immersive weeks-long video game. Okay. So if I have a subscription to Netflix, do I have a subscription to Netflix games also?

I think you can play it on your mobile, yeah. Well, you can, but my children don't have access to a mobile. Not yet. Not to Uncle Chris comes to Christmas Day. iPhone 17, iPhone 17, group chat started. You have bought my children. Madly and Kim and memes starting at 6 in the morning. How soon before Knox says the word 6-7 to you?

How soon before? I tried teaching it to him. Zach was like, don't do that. That's not fun. So, but the other issue is like how long until Knox can identify the number six and seven when pointed out to it, which could be several years. I say this with love. He just has a very creative relationship to like the numerical representation. Do you think Knox will know his numbers before or after he knows who Lane Kiffin is?

It is really, really up for debate. But you also know now, like, he, I don't know if he has like the celebrity bug, but he, I don't know if he has like the celebrity bug, but he, he does notice people, and he remembers people pretty quickly. Like Sequin. Like Sequin, like Rory Macaroy, like Tom Cruise, like Uri Gagarin, who is the newest person who wants to come to. The Russian At Cosmonaut? Yes.

And he wants Yuri Gagarin to come to his birthday party. And like on a number of levels, I'm just like, that's not going to be possible. Is he also on telegram? Yeah. How is that happening? Yuri Gagarin. Well, we have a book, and he was the first person in space. Where's the book from?

The library, I told you. Yeah, but where's like the book who wrote it? I think this is the Robert Usborn, like, space and this is the boomerang theory again, where it's like we've got to start getting him introduced to, you know, Soviet communism really early on. That's the first person in space. So, anyway, if he hears about Lane Kiffin, he could be like, I would like him to come to my party, you know? Do people who don't think that the moon landing is real also don't think any space exploration is real or just the moon landing? Jack, can you weigh in for us?

Does Jack have a microphone? Jack, do you believe in space travel? Yeah. No? Okay. Just checking. Jack can't speak right now. Okay. So now they're like after some beef on the beach, the two tribes are like, you know what, let's break bread, let's jump to the water. Can you protect us too?

They're snorkeling. We need refuge from this incoming war. They're experiencing the wonder of the sea and all its creatures. This is like every time somebody gets fishing gear on Survivor. So you go snorkeling a lot. I've had been snorkeling. Right. So every week for roughly nine hours. I go to the L.A. River.

Every time that you go on a beach vacation, you guys, like, do go snorkeling. We have gone snorkeling in Hawaii and Puerto Rico. Okay. So what are you up to when you're snorkeling? What do I think about? Yeah. The vast void just out of touching distance and how terrifying it is. That's what you think about?

Often. What about what's right in front of you? What about what's right in front of you? It's like I'm following a turtle, and then it goes out into that drop-off. off like nothing, I'm like, this is it. The shelf. This is what Sartre wrote about. You don't want to fuck with the shelf.

The void. Yeah. Yeah, it's the blackness. The thing is with snorkeling, it's like, I guess it's like the reverse of 3D glasses, as that I can't really snorkel with contacts. I know it's supposed to be an airtight seal, but they just, they don't have the technology down, you know, so that I can't keep my eyes open. You haven't had that issue.

You should do an early kind of scuba gear, like where they put. the whole suit on you, you know, with the giant... Yeah. You should get, like, Richard Dreyfus and Jaws. You should do that whole get-up. Do you have interest in scuba diving? No. Me either.

I know. I'd be too worried about. Scuba, no, me neither. I don't... Too much gear. Big No. Love to snorkel. Big no on scuba.

I don't really like snorkees. And when they... I just want to be swimming myself. When they're like, you can't... If it was in the firm, he can't fly for 24 hours, right? Oh, that's right after diving? That's a problem for me. You never know when my loans against my stock portfolio are going to get

called it. And what's in his mailbox? You know, how you consider that? Oh, so yeah, they're bad divers. They're learning. Okay. So these guys can't swim? So they can, well, they don't have breath control. They're not like Kate Winslet. Okay, so this is one thing we're going to do. I'm going to set a timer and you see how long you can hold your breath just like Kate Winslet. That's not really good podcasting. One. I guess it's good for video. Well, we can talk about it. I didn't say I could do it. I said I could do it underwater. Well, Kate did seven and a half minutes. I think I could do two. Four, five, six.

Wait, sort of. No, I have to take a deep breath. Hold on. Wait, go. Okay. Ready? See, this is going to pass. We can go. One, two. Wait, no, no, I stop. Okay. Reset. Tell me. Okay. Are you supposed to blow out? Well, that's what they do before. I'm trying to remember what movie where, right before they go under what do. Tom Cruise does that Mission Impossible

Yeah, that would be right because you've seen it a lot of times Okay, I'm just gonna take one deep breath, ready? One, two. Okay, I'm going, one second. I have two seconds. You gotta get it on, like... You gotta fix his microphone.

Oh, my bad. Ready? Okay, okay. Three, two, one. Okay, here we go. Three seconds. I'm gonna care. This is great.

When Chris dies. Where's Spider going? I'll call out every 10 seconds. That's what my favorite workout. 10 seconds. Chris, I forgot what you said. Is it burn or bury? We didn't figure out... He wants to be buried. Buried. Yeah, like Osama. Where are they going 20 seconds? I almost blew my air drums out. Okay, so that was 20 seconds.

Oh, my God. Underwater is different. She made a bin Laden joke. You know that's my guy? It's nice to be reminded. Yeah, okay. Well, that was great content. Seven and a half minutes, Kate Winslet did. That's pretty good. I gotta say, I remember this movie being quite complicated. Yeah, did you drink my water? No, this is my water.

Where's, I had two bottles of water. Thank you, okay. Take a deep breath. Can we get her more yogurt? Give the yogurt palate in here. This is just wondering when I'm a snap. I'm just trying to not have a lot of shit on the tables in the shop, you know? You have a fucking iPad.

here. It's a laptop and it's closed. Just in case I eat it. Put it over there. Why is your yogurt container here? Because I eat it and we don't have a trash bag. Did you not eat your sandwich? No, it's right there. See? Okay. You know what? Keep it to yourself.

They're getting in touch with the dolphins here. Yeah, they're not dolphins. I'm not sure what these are called. The fish. Like fish bowls. They appear to be mammals. Bull sharks, sort of. I have some facts about bull sharks for later. Bull sharks?

Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Oh, yeah. He got thrown. So, like, yeah, bulls, bowl, water bowls. So this is not water. Like, this is digitally rendered.

They're in a tank. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. They're in a tank, but this world is obviously not real. No, that's not sand. Who shot this? I don't know the cinematographer's name. I'll look it up.

It's a bitario store. Why don't you get out that laptop? Do you think that Gordon Willis would think this is cool looking? I don't see why not. I think he would be blown away by the technology. There's a reason why these movies are both immensely successful and critically acclaimed and awards bodies are interested in them because there's just the level of craftsmanship that is way above anything else

that is trying to do this kind of work. The cinematographer of this film... I made it for the story, though. Okay, look, he's flying. That's cool. Your boy, Russell Carpenter. Who also did... He also did True Lies.

He also did Titanic. Okay. He shot the Charlie's Angels films from McGee. Nice. He shot Ant Man for Peyton Reed. Okay. A number of other films. Some good, some bad.

Okay, there it goes. Oh, now they're diving. Oh, I can't hold on. Yeah, you know. Kind of like water. skiing. Where are you on water skiing? I would prefer tubing. Like tubing. Yeah. It's the same thing.

What about you? Never done it. No water skiing nor tubing? I've never done either one. Wow. You've tubed before. You've never been... You've gone tubing on a river, right? Tubby? No. Yeah, no, I've been in a tube going down a river. I've never been on...

Negative tubing experience in the Badlands? I did. Thanks for asking. So I went to Jackson Hole with my wife. wife. Okay. We was it was during my sojourn in 2015 through the, uh, yeah, right. The American West. Your breakdown. It's not a breakdown. Sure. It was a moment of realization. Sure. It also turned out to be tremendously impactful in your life. And if I had not gone on that journey, we would not be sitting here right now. I'm just concerned because it's like, you know, it's an every 10 year sort of thing. I mean, it's happening. It's unfortunately not happening in the American

South. Sure. So, but this, Eileen was present for some of it. First he drove around. So I went on the road for I remember that. I'm sharing this with the listeners. They don't know the whole story. I went out on the road by myself for a week, drove through Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, et cetera, et cetera. Eileen met me in Colorado. Yeah. We went up to Wyoming and Montana.

And when we were in Wyoming, we stayed in Jackson Hole. And we went tubing down the river in Jackson Hole. And we went too far. And we didn't have any shoes on. And there's no way to get back into. our hotel without walking on the gravel roads. Okay. Bare feet.

Yeah. Bathing suits with no towels in the middle of the summer. Yeah. In a city we'd never been to. With phones? No phones. Yeah, because, you know, though they do have those little packs now

where you can put the phone in the water pack. Yeah, this was 10 years ago, so it might as well have been 300 years ago. I think they probably did have it then. That would be dope because next time I go tubing, I could still text, Knox and Sigh, sick memes. It was just really a failure of planning. Okay.

You know, where we were just, like, had not considered that we would get two miles down the river. Well, you just missed your exit. Yeah. That's all right. Yeah. But then you do have to walk a while. Yeah. So, but you've never been on a tube.

But then just picture me shirtless in a bathing suit walking down a street with no shoes on holding a giant tube. Yeah. Yeah. That's not cool. And they're like, that's Grantland's Sean Fennessee. Okay. So you've never been like on the, on a tube track behind a boat. No.

Okay. Yeah, I've obviously done that a lot. grew up in the south oh on lakes yeah so you know lakes aren't my preferred body has your dad weighed in on the coaching carousel of college football i haven't heard from him about lane this time but listen can't you text him yeah i actually can't this name is kind of muddened in knoxford volunteers fans my father and uncle have been trying to get the knoxville sewage waste you know waste management facility named after Lane Kiffin. The Lane Kiffin's.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've been, they have, you know, I don't know whether they, like, signed a petition or started the petition. I've been CCed on some emails because my dad has a similar email strategy to your wife, Chris. All right, let's talk to my dad. Very direct. Dad, yeah, direct. And, okay. I am podcasting and Chris wants to know your thoughts about Lane Kiffin.

Thoughts about Lane Kiffin. What's going on here? Well, Corrich is continuing to track Sully and his family. And Spider is helping him? Well, he's being forced to help him. But also, there's sort of like a dad-son thing going on, you know? There's a critical sequence in the first film

where Jake learns to ride that giant creature. I think I've seen that in short form video. You might have seen a moment of that in the film Babylon, which is the last film that we covered on the watch-al. You can see a brief clip of it. And so that was kind of court, like, doing an echo of that scene, but he's not making a connection with the creature. He's just trying to dominate it,

which is what, obviously, the American... Yeah, okay. I thought you were going a different way, and I was like, don't do it. I can't even begin to fathom what you think I was going to say. So, yeah, you know, on the one hand, Chris, like, you're not really a creature's guy. I'm trying to think of some of my favorite creatures And I'll just run off the top of my head

I'll name some I really like Falcour From Neverending Story Yeah, so do we all That's the formative Buck Dragon, what is he? Yeah, I think that's right That's the creature that he rides

Number one, that's him Yeah, he rules Good film, yeah Does he count as a creature? Yeah, I mean, he's an alien I don't count as a morphs Okay These are technically aliens

To whom to you. So maybe you should think about that worldview, just like James Cameron's asking you, too. You feel that you have a great deal in common with the Navi. You know, matriarchal society, for sure. Warrior moms. Yeah. Not impressed by machine guns.

You hang in there, Mama Nintiri. You got this. You got this, Gari. You got this, Keri. You got this, Padma. You got this, Awa. And I, well, I like these, I do like the water. I like being near the ocean.

So in that sense, I relate to these people. Yeah, but I don't really aspire to scuba diving. Would you say this is the first act of this film? Oh, we're deeply in the first act. Yeah. Okay. We're not in the second act, though. We might be in the second act because we've at least made it to the water.

But I guess we're sort of in the second half of the first act, because we're learning. learning about the water. And then there's going to be some more water conflict, I guess. And then, you know, 90 minutes of machine guns. Oh, you can get jellyfish attached to you

and you can swim around. That's sick. All right. They're doing... I mean, that looks cool. So, Chris, this... A reference here. for this world could be Ariel's

cavern in Little Mermaid part of Sarah World, you know. I'm trying to get some other... Except she has a lot more forks and stuff. Dope creatures. Okay, so aliens don't count. It's not really your thing. Like, would you call Sloth from Goonies a creature?

Absolutely not. Right, just a guy. It's a human. Who loves Milky Ways? Baby Ruth. Baby Ruth. What about slimer? What's a ghost?

More of an apparition. Okay, well, you know, is there no bad ideas in a brainstorm? You came right out with Rancor. Falcour. Falkor. Rancor? Rancor is the,

what's the thing? That's from Star Wars. Yeah. It's also how I feel whenever you're around. Ranker? Yeah. That's what you feel when I'm around? That's first of my feelings.

You came right out with Falcour. Hot. Yeah. And then no creatures after that. Well, because I think they were getting into semantics here. Like, I was thinking. Okay. Because you're not a big fantasy guy.

I was going to say Furbys, but that's not what I meant. What are the little waddling? Yeah, but no, the other little guys in Last Jedi. Oh, the ones that are like... Forgs. Yeah, they weren't cute. They're right. What about Gizmo from Gremlins?

Is he a creature? I think so. Yeah, then I like Gizmo. Do you like Gremlins? What's the Skexies and the dark crystal? Yes. Yes, now we're talking. Those are cool.

they're the bad guys or the good guys those are the bad guys yeah they're pretty cool those were gnarly intimidating yeah the what's the one that throws gandolph off the bridge

that's balrog ballrog yeah and that's a creature you shall not pass remember that no I really don't Ian mckellan I mean I

wonderful performance I'm sort of like Gandalf the gray I have seen all of those films, but my memory of them is limited. Are you sure you've seen all of them? I've definitely seen the last two. That's incoherent. Did you see the first one?

I don't know. I remember, though, in college, they did a back-to-back of two and three. Oh, did you get blackout? And I went, no, I did not get blackout for that one. That was just for Rocky Horror. But, so I have seen two and three, I went. I don't think I've ever seen you blackout drunk. that's good

you're maybe the only person on earth but not in a while you know I've grown up I'm mature okay so why are they

fighting I'm still fascinated by you seeing two towers and return of the king but my memory of it but fellowship in the ring is fucking fantastic

oh it's awesome those three movies they're great what is when are they hunting for golf Like, when does that happen? Is that in between Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring? I thought it's before, yes, yes.

But why would they be hunting for him? Because he has the ring, right? But who's hunt? Like, I thought they had let the ring kind of pass into like, miss. Oh my God, bro. Now, that's, that is David Ellison's paramount right there. We need to get generative AI on that. Seal Team 6 hunting

Gallum This is free money This money is free And if we could just get the Navi involved somehow Now we're talking to it Yeah Get She Hulk in there What other characters can we get involved?

This is a You know, a popular But difficult to master cooking style With the banana leaves Yeah, what do you like to put in there? Piece of fish, a little bit of... Yeah, like a nice white fish Black Tar Heroin, maybe took that up?

No, I was thinking about, you remember the Tall Day Fish? Yeah. The Tallde Fish that's recommended to cook in the banana leaf, but I often have trouble sourcing it in short notice. This scene is like, there's like a replica of this scene in the third film. Yeah, there are many replicas. Why is that? I don't know.

I did read that they were written simultaneously split in half. Yeah, well, that's always the way. Jim, solo credit a writer on these? No. I believe it's. Is it an Amanda, Jack? And Scott Silver, I want to say. Scott Silver, huh?

No, Amanda Silver and Rick Jaffa. Excuse me. Okay. Okay. They are writing duo, and their other films include The Hand, the Rocks, the Cradle. The New One? No, the 1992 version. The Planet of the Apes films from the 2010s that Matt Reeves movies.

Okay. They wrote Jurassic World. Which one's that? They wrote the Mulan live action remake. Yeah, that's blue. Okay, so this looks fun. This is like jet skis, but, you know, with nature. They're dolphin jet skiskees.

That's cool. What's the, like, big scissors thing? The big scissors? They're all holding big scissors. Those are arrows. That's a bow. That's a bow? I'm fairly certain, yeah.

Okay. So this is kind of like... It's like a tensile bow that, like, straps back. Got it. And you can release it. National Amphoon's Christmas vacation. Everybody's kind of arrived at this place, right? It is a lot like that.

Oh, are we about to meet someone important? Okay, this seems... I don't... Is it right now? I don't know. It's just like they're out in the world. Precious friend. And they're like about to...

There's a sense of wonder building. Actor cameo, or is it just a creature? In a matter of speaking. Decaprio? Serene music is playing. So that is... There we go. Call the fish.

Call the fish. Yeah. So they're speaking a special language. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Wonderworld. That looks remarkably like a pair of nail scissors. I just want to point that out there. You see, it's got an arrow with the end of it there.

I do. I think they're on the hunt here. Okay. They're hunting for fish. And they're trying to, they're mocking him. Are they going to find out that he actually is able to do this? Or is he going to drown and they're going to get in trouble? They're going to bail on him.

That's fucked up. Oh. But then. Okay. Yeah, this is sad. You know, he got the fish. Was he not supposed to have done that? Well, now he's all alone and watch out here comes a big fish.

more than likely, right, to chase after him. Oh, he's alone. They're not being very nice. I told you guys the story of the kid who got invited to the party at my house? No. No. Is this sad? It's the saddest story in the world. Do you want to hear it?

No. Do you think their parents are listening? No. Okay. I was 14. Oh, I thought this is awful. Just went to high school. Oh, this guy.

Okay. But that's not. That's not what we're. we're waiting for. Yeah, that's just a giant fish, shark fish. That's an evil shark fish. And of course, he's chasing that guy. Which is not ideal for our guy. Is this Loak? Who is the young, you know, what's the young boy's name? I forget his name. Lawak might be the other son. It's probably, no, I think it's Loak because he makes the bond with Loak, right? I think that's the older son. I could be wrong. So I'm 14 years old. I have a double header

baseball game. To umpire or play? I was playing. It was in Ness Concent on Long Island. And I never umpired to a doubleheader. That's a lot of work. Yeah. Caught both games. Long day. Okay. Saturday evening I get home.

This is awful. This is, I'm just like really, really sad. Arrived in my house. There's a boy there. A kid sitting on the stoop. Yeah. On the front porch. He just moved to the neighborhood like three months earlier.

And he's holding a bottle, a two-liter bottle of Pepsi. and me and my mom pull up and this poor kid says he bounds up runs up to me and says hey man I'm here for the party sincerely and my I guess friends of mine told him that there was a party at my house that started at 5 o'clock

I got home at 6 o'clock he sat on my porch for at least a half an hour That's awful It was the most pained I think I've ever been for another person in my life I could not have felt worse for this kid. It was like a nice kid who was like, we weren't good friends or anything, but he was not somebody that I was picking on. Yeah.

And I think that's why they picked me to be the house to do that to this poor kid. And I felt like such a deep hurt for this kid. What did you do? I just told them the truth. I said, there's no party here. I'm really sorry.

I just got home from a baseball game. And then, I'm really sorry. Did his, like, ordered pizza? Did his dad start Oracle? Uh-huh. And now he's...

And now he's a real boy. Now he's going to take away all the IP that we love to punish us. Not only that, but he's going to delete every episode of the big picture because what happened to him on that day. No, you fucking elevate you. I hope so. Love cinema. He's having a hard time in the quarry.

His poor kid is trapped. Yeah. But he can breathe underwater. He can, but he's still learning how to do it. Okay. And here comes the fish again. So this is the bad fish. That's a bad guy.

I can't say that's what. This is who we're waiting for. Here he is. Is this before, this is a classic Spielberg big creature hits the little creature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so he's taking care of business.

Oh, but this guy is about to faint. Well, he's dead. No, that guy. Oh, this guy, yes. We don't know his name if he's gagging. Oh, but does he bond with the biggest fish? Yeah. You bet he does.

And they're like, yo, something special about this kid. Mm-hmm. Yes. The ball pops out of the hands. There we go. Yeah. He's like, this kid reminds me of Wembe. Very beautiful.

He's been brought to shore by this magical creature. This creature... Has he been brought to shore? Is he resting on the creature? Oh, yes. He's resting on the creature. Yeah. So they've bonded.

That's beautiful. Yeah. So this is Paiacon, Chris. Yeah. Okay. This is a whale voiced by Jim Carrey

He's like Smokin Spoken Paicon doesn't use words to communicate Of course not He does communicate in his own whale language Right

And this kid understands it Well they come to understand each other over time But he is a majestic creature Oh no Oh shit! He caught one Pyacan, no. Oh, God, brother. Yeah.

Pyacon to me is worth the price of admission for this film. I totally agree. So Tukin is the type of whale that he is or the type of mammal. Did you study that? No, that is like all I remember is. It comes up frequently. Yeah. And so actually when Piacan shows up in Avatar 3, I turn to...

Is that a spoiler? I guess so. I turn to Sean and I said, is that Tukun? Because I didn't remember a Paiacan, but I did remember Tukun. So they're important, the Tukun. Were many people turning to their seatmates and asking questions and chatting

or were you guys ruining it for other people? It was just me, Amanda and Jim Cameron. Okay, he's getting, oh, he's trying to get this thing out. My dad has responded to the Lane Kiffin tweet, who wouldn't want to leave Ole Miss? Shots! It just means more down there, man.

Yeah. Oh, that's cool. He's helping him out. Yeah, that is nice. It's like the pit. This is like the pit. They should do the pit, but on Pandora. In Navi?

Yeah. Well, if we get enough corporate mergers, maybe we can get there. If we get Paramount and Warner's together, for sure. That's in play, right? But I guess 20th Century Studios. Yeah. Oh, shoot.

Yeah. Should they all just come together? Do you think that there's somebody at Disney? in Burbank right now is just like, why why can't Captain America be in Pandora? Yeah. Yes, of course. There is somebody who is doing that and that person should be sent

to hell. Well, because they're probably putting it in Free Guy too. I mean, that was what Free Guy was. That is what Free Guy was. Yeah. Wouldn't it be sick if Captain America had a lightsaber? And they'll do that, but Bob Eger won't let Kylo Redd live in a prequel situation. We can hunt for Gallum, but we

can't hunt for Ben Solo. It's a cowardly act. Bob Empower Creatives That's what That's Disney's legacy So this is nice So now they're swimming together They're buds

He's sort of like He has like lobster like claws And he has a sea turtle Kind of scale quality But like a double A blue whale meets a turtle But also Like a dune sandworm

But also Like the projection of the sand From beneath is pure whale The crab or lobster claw situation. I mean, just think about how delicious that would be. I haven't had lobster. Whale undercarriage, pro or negative. Whale undercarriage?

Do you eat lobster? Of course. Well, I never know with you. What do you mean? But scallops or no, you said. Don't like scallops. Scalops or no, lobster, yes. I tell you, what's a, what's a bay scallop?

A small scallop? Yeah, I'll have a bay scallop. Okay. Claims? Base scallop and with some pasta is nice. A large scallop that has been like pan, sea. You know what I've never seen you do is tuck into a bowl of muscles and freets. Well, funny you should ask.

Okay. You had a bad off there was a 14-year-old boy in my house. That same boy brought over a bucket of muscles the next morning, and we ate them together and nearly died. No, I had a bad muscle in 2014, and I'll never go back. I'll never go back. And by bad, I mean, like, the worst night of my life. Like, the most ill I've ever been. And I just can't go back.

And prior to that moment, I would have eaten muscles every day. I love that. I used to think that I was impervious to food poisoning until I was in Norway and I was on an island in Norway at a lovely dinner. And a man who I think owned this restaurant was serving oysters, fresh oysters, but was like really getting his thumb in there. She thinks she's connected to Ewa. That's important. Yes, it is important. My lasting memory of this experience is eating oysters, eating, I don't feel good about this.

but a whale burger. Oh, yeah. And seeing this man driving a boat off. Well, it's about respecting local cultures. Driving away from the restaurant in a boat and being like, who was that guy? Did he work here or what? Or was he just bringing oysters by it? Chris, I have some news for you.

That man was your real father. And then getting Violet Leo. Okay. That is really tough. Do you think it was his thumb or the whale? I ate so much weird stuff that night. That was like the outer limits of like how adventurous I am as a eater, which I am quite adventurous. Until someone tries to

serve you a lovely mushroom skewer. I didn't. That's not about adventure. That was about the flavor profile of that mushroom. What was the profile? I just thought it was pretty earthy and fine. But Amanda looked at me as if the future of the West. Because what he did was he lied to me. He looked

at me straight in the eyes and he was like, that's dynamite. And he was just lying. And it was a terrible lie. Chris is known to do that from time to time. I know. A little bit of a little bit of a, you know, he's very kind. Oh, look. That is a planet. But that planet looks a lot like Jupiter. Is it?

That was a really big planet. That looks a lot like Jupiter and or the planet that is crashing into Earth at the end of Melancholia. I believe this is a different solar system from Earth. Well, I'm just saying it's planet coded. Very well could be a planet. But you know what? If this is in fact a moon, perhaps that is the planet.

Exactly. That's right. And you see the... Do you like other Lars movies or just melancholia? Really just melancholia? It's, I mean... Because I think Lars' mom. me would also be a really good move for you. Yeah.

You were just like, it's time to watch Antichrist again? Sure. I mean, I don't like, I respect it. Yeah. I guess, but not really. No, I do, but it weirds me out. I'm going to OG. Saw Europa in the theaters.

There you go. Like 1987? No, it's like the 90s. Okay. What's Europa in the 90s? I think so. Okay. I was like, if this guy's wanted to watch,

Would you say that to? When you were 10? This 14-year-old boy is sitting next week. Okay, so, but why are people... Did you never got to the bottom of this? What? Bottom of what? What happened to the boy?

Which one of your friends set him up? I know who did it. Okay. See, they're listening? It's in play. Was it pants? No, that was a college friend. Was it Chris?

Could have been. Probably was. I think he's listening? It does from time to time. They are having some strict. Well, this guy, it's not his fault. Oh, yes, no, it is his, it's not his fault. But I think they left the compound without.

Oh, dear. Why is he, shame? Why? I mean, I just, that, that is not Dr. Becky parenting, is what I would say. Jake suddenly has some struggles. He does. As a boy dad. Yeah.

He really, you know, he's raised. he's all right probably by a military man you think it's a kid's fault well what is his issue what did he do wrong rode the whale yes

among other things disappeared for a while you're not allowed to ride the whale but these other kids abandoned him well oh and this dude's like why didn't you wrap me out

yeah yeah oh that's sick okay and so then she's like so does she look like Sigourney Weaver to you I was just gonna ask that are you getting Sigourney She's Sigourney Weaver. She's playing Kiri, the 14-year-old girl.

But now that you know, like watch the mannerisms a little, I see it. Of course. And that's Kate Winslet. Young Kate Winslet or? No, no. Young Kate Winslet?

I thought Kate Winslet was like the mom who greeted them all and gave them the eyes. That was her. That's her. Oh, no. That's her daughter? That's her daughter. Oh, okay.

Sorry. They look a lot of like. They do. Okay. Okay, so then they're talking about whether Pi-a-Con is good or bad. Yeah. It was Loak. Yeah.

We did form the bond with Pi-Con. I know, because he's translating for him throughout the thing. Come on. You got to respect the ocean. Okay. You were saying, you said something very rude when we were watching the movie last name, where you were like, I don't care about any of these characters, but I disagree. Well, I like these kids.

We were just watching four people I didn't really care about. I care about Pi-Con a lot. Piecon is very important. But I also just didn't. This, what I meant in that moment. Oh, now he's out there. He's trying to find Pycon again. Was that the,

damn, the movie was not effectively communicating. Okay. Like, stakes and motivation of these people. They were just like running back and forth for a while. And I was like, I don't care.

That was my note. Okay, so Lane Kiffin, he's leaving and people are mad. Hold on. I want to see what Pygons says. Yeah. It's too painful even to talk about. He doesn't, he can't trust anybody.

Okay. How did he learn Pyocon's language? Wow, man, this is deeply moving. Yeah, this shit, look at that. It's beautiful. This is the best part of the movie. It's incredible. Yeah.

It's a good movie about friendship. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Does that anything bad happen to Pyocon? Well, he'll have to watch. Okay. Lane Kiffin. Yeah.

He was at Old Miss. He rebuilt Old Miss, right? Yeah. Did he? Sure. They're having a good season. They're having a great season. And they largely built their team on the transfer port.

where you bring kids in. Familiar. But as Van explained, and Todd McShay explained on Sunday night on Bill and then there are other pods, higher learning and not higher learning. Tailgate and the Todd McShay show. Louisiana just has a fertile recruiting ground.

One of the great talent centers of football in this country. Yep. Okay. And if he can build a team of homegrown players. They're going faster. And use his own, you know, he's a great developer of talent.

Sure. If he can find himself a pie icon. But he has never left a place without utterly fucking destroying it on the way out or completely embarrassing himself on the way out. Right. Okay. And so he did it again. All right. So what did he do this time?

He took this job at LSU reportedly several weeks ago, if not a week ago, bought a house in Baton Rouge, pretended like he was still praying on it for like another week. Sure. But basically wanted Ole Miss to let him stay and coach Ole Miss in the playoffs, even though he was already going to be working for LSU. Yeah, well, that's unrealistic.

Go fuck yourself. Yeah, who were his advisors on that? Jimmy Sexton, the most powerful agent in college football. Okay. And my agent and my renegotiations. Well, I think Jimmy was out. Jimmy was out over his skis a little. Honestly, I think I could do a lot worse in life than to have a third act as like moving to a nice southern city and becoming like...

You've said for years your dream is to be the offensive coordinator of an SEC team. No, it's more. More of like a North Texas kind of thing. Oh, I see. Okay. I think that's better. I think SEC is a little more stress than you want at this point in your life. You want to be able to test some of my concepts.

Okay. Oh, you want to be experimental. This is the spirit tree for underwater? Nobody blocks. Underwater spirit tree? Yeah. So, but there's a spirit tree in the first one. Yes, which is dramatically destroyed.

Oh. Well, the giant tree is destroyed by the American military. Right. And then there is another gathering tree space where they connect with AWA, and this is also... Okay, so there are different spirit trees throughout the ecosystem. Different ways to pray, you know? What's Jake's plan here? We're just going to hide out for the rest of our lives?

It's an excellent question. Unclear. Okay, so they're connecting with the spirit tree. So what are the rules around connecting with the spirit tree? You've got these... You have to have T-Mobile. It's just... Billy Bob Thornton has to connect me.

I made the request for BBT come on the watch Oh my god I'd love it For who? Billy Bob Thornton To come on the watch I think he and I

will get along very well Or I do not Okay so she Hold on Yo look who it is Oh it's Sigourney And now

Also watch Sigourney Act against Sigourney And tell me what you think My beautiful daughter Hmm Okay I legitimately find all this stuff Are you moving

Yeah well it's Sigourney Weaver that you would without a child? Probably not. Yeah. But you know what? That's just life. Yeah. That's just the truth.

That's the truth of my life. That's why I find... Okay. But so now why is she blue? Well, she's having a spiritual experience where she's... Okay. She's seeing visions of AWA. She's not really actually seeing these things.

But does she know that... Awa... Does she know that... Is Stephen Lang, her dad, too? blue person is Sigourney We've heard like IRL Did she go to Stanford?

Or like not IRL but like in the Oh shit She's just having visions That's really Yeah but that we're cutting from like It's it's Sigourney without the blue I think what she's trying to make sense of is like the What is the logic of her parenthood

Of the parenthood and you know We come to find out over time that it's not As natural As some of the other Navi So Sigourney Weaver is her own mom. Yes. But we don't know who the father is. No.

And it's like, can you now create Navi? Yeah, it's kind of an immaculate conception, kind of a cloning thing. Like it's both. Gotcha. And that's very important because Kyrie becomes a very important figure in this world because she has extraordinary power and access to AWA. Have these guys ever seen a helicopter? like this before?

Well, this guy's a Marine. Yeah, but the other guys. These other guys are humans in Navi bodies. That's Joel David Moore, the actor, in a Navi body. And he's a scientist who is one of the key partners in the first film. That's Kate Winslet. She's very pregnant. But she can still hold her breath.

She's giving, I can dig a whole energy right now. okay so she does like she's sort of you know she's like maha medicine you know but then homeopathic yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um but you know they're like super agro military people so okay everybody's checking their phones just a quick text oh i got a text from iona presley she wants she wants let me know that i'm needed in the fight for democracy oh great okay ina Yeah. Nice. And are you going to leave right now and join her?

You're going to finish the film, or is it urgent? I have to leave this screening to join the squad. Who are you replacing in the squad? No, I'm additive. Do you think the squad needs a stronger more vision? A white ally? A white ally? No, one ally.

What about a white vision? Okay, they're explaining the seizure. This is important. she's not allowed to plug into the spirit tree anymore. That's right. But this person can do cocaine on a dead body. Well, yeah. I mean, these are ancient traditions of revivification.

Okay. There she goes, but she's not allowed. So Kate Winslet fixed her. Yeah. Where modern science couldn't. Exactly. I don't think I realized how much of a backseat Natiri takes in this film. Yeah.

In the, I mean, they've left the forest. So now... I know, but she is the first movie. But this isn't a way game for her. Yeah. It is. Yeah. This is about 5,000 signs.

She has a very strong role in the third film. It's like Goff Outdoors, you know? Can't trust it. Yeah. 17 for 32, 190 yards, zero T-D's two picks. That's Goff outside. Goff indoors? So just to be clear, you're doing G-O-F-F and not G-O-L-F, which I was like, oh, no.

Goff. We're talking about the Detroit Lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alice's favorite football team, the lions. Why? Because they're lions. And the cool colors. Got it.

Cool colors? The silver helmet, I think, is iconic. Yeah, I guess so. Speaking of Sequin, what's up with this, man? What's going on? The Eagles? I don't want to talk about the Eagles. I want to talk about why Sequin sucks.

I don't want to get into whether or not running backs fall off cliff after a certain amount of carries. I don't want to get into that. I know that's what's been suggested. We also have not had Lane Johnson for a security. significant part of the season. And I also think that they are not as creative

in the run game as they used to be. Okay. I'm only asking because I drafted him in the Ringer Fantasy Football League and it has been a grave disappointing. The offense all season long has been Oh, we've got some humans. Truly embarrassing. Right. So this is where the story really kicks in.

Can I pee? I would wait a minute. Okay. And then we can And then we'll take our break. All right. That's very exciting. How long have we been going? It's 308s. We've been going for like two hours. More like an hour and a half. Yeah.

So we're like halfway. Okay. Let's just set the stage here and see what these guys are after. And then we'll take a quick break for the listeners and for ourselves. Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. Oh, Ianna Presley was more saying that she's heard everybody calling for her to run for the Senate.

Yeah. But she feels like she's more needed in the house. Okay. Yeah. Got it. Okay. That's, I sent a similar message this morning. Okay.

Okay, so these people are tracking the water. Oh, it's a lot of the conference. Yeah, and he's a marine biologist. This fellow here is a hunter. Okay. He hunts to coon. He's a whale hunter. No.

Okay. Okay. So they're looking for Jake Sully. Is this guy's South African? And also, probably, yeah. And no offense. Did you see, now you see me, now you don't? No, I haven't.

You got to just. Is there a South African? Do you not know about this? Oh my God. You don't know about this? Rosamond Pike plays a South African. Like Diniaacha? Like diamond, like, villain, yeah.

Yes. A diamond, heiress Bond villain. It's incredible. It's. And she's doing full-blown South African accent. Wow. It's so funny. See, you will jerk off to it.

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Head to Amazon.com slash Prime to shop now. And we are back. So the two couldn't have come home. I didn't remember that. Where were they? I wanted to just a quick level setting. Yeah. And say that I'm loving my time with you guys.

But I still think that this is pretty nonsensical. Or at least, like... This is uncalled for. No, I'm not trying to ding it. I'm just saying if you thought I was converting. I thought the Pai-a-Con thing was cool. Well, there's more. What flavor is this pretzel?

It's seasoned. With what? Crack cocaine. Okay. Great. That doesn't really suck. I mean, you've not had a seasoned snack before? like a season snack mix?

I wasn't expecting it. This is the original flavor of Dots pretzels. I got, I hit up TJ's for the step up to the bar snack mix today. Oh, beautiful. Love it. What's in that? It's your usual snack mix. Well juice or sesame sticks.

Maybe like a Brazil nut in there. Any like cheese it type thing? Kind of, yeah. They got some wild shit in there. I ordered a bucket of potato chips for the holiday party this year. Like a like a large bucket. Will you keep it in there?

Yeah, of course. That's going to be a germ factory. You have to put a hand in the bowl, Sean. It's no different. Pull it, pull a chip off the top. Well, you could, it's a large bucket. It's like,

it's like this big. Support a person, like if they dove in. Bring your own potato chips to the party. Okay. Well, there also be like a live pangolin that I can murder and eat there as well?

We should start doing that, bringing chips to your parties. I wish people would always read potatoes. Oh, Kate Winslet's now Team Pyecon, huh? Yeah, your son is beautiful. Thank you. How is your baby? Come on.

My baby is strong. Okay. The Toulkun, you know, there's an ancient spiritual creature in their religion. Okay. Oh, this is cute. Look at that baby. Damn, dude. That baby's swimming.

Is that Kate Winslet's baby? Or Zoe's all that in this baby? Yeah, well, I guess so because the baby's not in her belly anymore. more. Oh, so we've, some time has elapsed. Maybe that was a flashback? I'm not totally sure. I think that was a... Or she just gave, it was a water birth? This is bad.

Seems intense, but... This looks like a halo cutscene. Right? I mean, I've never seen Halo. This part is all real. This was all shot in the real world. Okay. And these are all real nubby. Does that make it better for you? Do you think If we could militarize Navi, we should.

Okay, so they're looking for Jake Sully and then the other guys. Island group with different people hanging out. Correct. This is a different tribe. Okay, got it. And they're going to keep moving. But then, so the Tukun have come back from where? The Great C.

And they raised Kate Winslet. I don't know if they raised her. well i mean spiritual guidance they're connected okay all right um your parents probably raised her okay but maybe like a latchkey kid situation maybe it takes a village you know maybe could be who wrote that Hillary Clinton one of your faves yeah oh fuck they shot of whale yeah they're bad these are these guys are evil like the fruits of the deviel as Mike Myers once said okay Damn spider, you fucking nark. Yeah.

He doesn't really know what he's doing. Toruk makto. What is my navvy name? Put her down? Nah, man, we're not going to have that happen here, right? No. Okay, finally spider's sticking up for... Yeah, but they don't have them.

So this kid's 15 when he's filming this? Maybe 17. Okay. He was cast when he was 15. Pretty good. No, his audition was in 2017. So he was 13 when he auditioned. Wow.

Okay. Project Phoenix, is that what it says on his little vest? So the Vietnam era? Yeah. These are the obsessions of James Cameron, look at all the entry points, Chris. Do you think it would have been better, though, if he had just made a movie about the Phoenix Project

in Vietnam, that's a period piece? I don't. Okay. I made this movie. Respect the artists. Oh, no. They'll tell artists what they should have done. Okay, but this is the big picture.

Sometimes we weigh in on what artists should have done. Right? I don't really... We try not to do that. I don't like to do that. That's boring. I have done that, and I'm not going to pretend like I haven't done that, but I would prefer not to do that.

I don't really... Because I don't want somebody telling me what I should be doing. That's true. You know? Yeah. Yeah. But sometimes we can't help ourselves. I get frustrated, certainly, when I feel that people are doing things just for money. But when you look at the amount of work that goes into these movies, you can't say that these are being done for money. These movies are insane.

They're getting some bad news. Except when he tells Zach Aaron a story about how it's going to make all the fucking money and get the fuck out of my office. But I don't think he's like, I can't wait to spend all that money. I think he's like, I can't wait to be the most successful person. Now that is also a kind of sickness, but it's different and to me less egregious. Ambition can often create great artistic success. They now know that Spider is on this other, is on the other island working with these guys.

Are you reading the latest Ryan Liza newsletter? No, I'm not paying for that bullshit. I actually, I don't endorse, they can all go fuck off, is what I have to say, all three of them. Who's the third? RFK Jr., Mr. Maha himself. I mean, you've made your feelings on this known. I think it's a bit of a strange stance. It is one of the more interesting things

that's happened in recent American political media history. I guess so, but like, is it that interesting? It's like two starfuckers are each writing their own story of, you know, their interactions with another star fucker who is now denying vaccines to children. Like, I'm good. Like, you know, now they're trying to make money off of them. of it because they can't make it any other way.

Like, no thanks. I, like, they, like, good-ridden's all of them. I mean, I understand, but, like, your moral superiority over that and not other things is just inconsistent. So, it seems like a weird stance. I'm going to be inconsistent on this one. Like, I truly, they can all, you know, good-ridson-sol of them. Yeah.

They all are, like, taking up space that should be filled with other things. This is the other thing. Like, I don't really believe in political journalism in this way. Like, I just, like, don't care about them. Oh, they're, like, kind of insidering that. Yeah, they're all, because, what, they want is to be famous themselves as opposed to like actually reporting on things that matter to the to the world so i like i think of i thought less of them before all of this but then

why don't you lay out your vision for political germans in america what do you think is the best way to do the work i'd like to hear it as i would argue the people that they're covering are just as being glorious and corrupt as the people who are doing their reporting pie i can yeah that's true I guess that's why it's worthwhile to me is it like it reveals something true about the system, the story. I'm just, I'm just, now, Liz's got me hooked. I just need no at all.

Are you paying for it? No, there's ways around that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But did he reveal the conspiracy? Number four went out yesterday, but I have not read the full thing. Okay, I think if he were like, you know, there was a plot to assassinate Trump

and like Olivia signed the legal document, We might have heard by now. Yeah, I'm like, I'm just guessing. Sure. Yeah, I think that's fair. Also, bad writers. Just very purple. Yeah, really bad.

So, that hasn't really stopped anybody else in the past. That's true. But another reason I don't really spend time reading it. So there's bad news that's traveling across the islands, but now these kids are exploring caves. Yeah. Oh, but it's not a cave. Turns out to be. Be calm.

So that's the older brother. This is a little bit of a Joan and the whale situation. Manor speaking. Reminds me a little bit of... Jonah? The mirror sequence in us? Sure. Remember not seen?

Oh, yeah. That's good. I liked us. Me too. Us a little bit kind of lost in the... In the... Was it 2019? The fuck's going on.

It was. Yeah. So that was like a big... One of our first deep dive episodes. Yeah, but that was like a big movie year and then pandemic. So kind of lost time. Yeah. Well, it's a little messy.

Yeah, but... Narratively. Okay. Oh, no. So now he's... Did I see you? We've seen... We saw us together at South by Southwest.

Didn't we? Yeah. That's great. Oh, that's nice. I saw it at the arc light. How's that going? They bring in the arc light back? Hermits are...

They keep saying they have the permits. Yeah, that's what I said. So this is a flashback. He is, like, sharing memories with Pi-Con. Pi-Con is sharing memories with him. Oh, okay. About the last time the humans came through or these flash-forward. What the tool-coons have witnessed.

I believe it's him showing them their trauma. Memories, yeah. And that's how his wound happened, remember, that then... Gotcha. So they've been under siege for a long time. We haven't yet seen why the whales are so under siege. they probably have like oil right we'll find out i guess so all right here's my first question for you not my first about the water oh no no do you want some water facts give me what were you to say

well i mean just so just like what's up with geese the band yeah like what's happening there well they're on a rocket ship to the moon well i know but like they are they aren't they aren't well but like i i didn't click through so you know i know they did like some cover They came along a couple years ago and to, you know, I wouldn't say an enormous amount of fanfare and they put out a first record. These are like private school kids from New York. Okay.

What private school? I can't remember. I think Brooklyn Friends. Here we go. Oh, Quaker Kids. I think. Well, Quaker educated. And they put out one record that I happen to like but is very much like post-punk interpoli kind of...

Private School. Then they put out a record called, I believe, 3D. Second album. It's much more classic rock, Bibi. And then late last year,

the lead singer and songwriter for Geese put out a record, Cameron Winter put a record called heavy metal. Okay, I've heard of Cameron Winter separately, but I also didn't...

It became a cult hit. He became quite an object of interest. Oh, well, okay, so they went to Park Slope Rock School. I just don't know if she really cares about the answer to this question. Okay, so they put out two albums plus Cameron Winter has a solo album.

And then Cameron Winter's solo album, I think starts to garner more attention around the band. And they put out a third album called Getting Killed. Okay. And have now been adopted, I feel like, by a larger swath of the of the hipster

influencer universe. That seems right. And our very good band. I love them. I'm a fan. Okay, so I can confirm that they, or at least some of them were educated at, like, the school of rock, like the film. Right. Which, um,

Okay, well, here's a telling line as the teens sat in the sunroom of the funky Forking Brownstone owned by Basson's parents. Okay, so, I mean, that must be nice to own a Brooklyn, Fort Green Boundstone. 3D, my bad, not 3D. But I still

can't find what private school. Okay. If I were you, I would just check out the most recent record, and I would probably skip the first song because you're going to be like, this is too noodley,

but then you'll be like, Okay. But is there, are they controversial now? No. Okay. Amanda will not like this band. How do you know? She likes the strokes. It's not that cool.

It's not that clean and slick and pop-oriented. No, it's much more like, it's a little, it's a little experimental, a little vibesy. Okay. A little bit atonal. Oh, I don't, I don't always love atonal. They're the kind of band that you could see them making an album. in the next 10 years that is like

the album of a generation but I don't I think they're still working some stuff out I think they're really cool I was surprised that they're not as popular at least on the streaming services

as I expect based on the way that people my age and younger talk about them you would have thought that they were the strokes but maybe that's actually a notable thing about the strokes

is maybe they weren't as popular as we thought they were they're pretty fucking popular I think he's doesn't have like last night they don't have a hit like that yeah I'm scrolling through my second Taxes is, I think, a big song, but...

You don't really see too many sea birds in these homes. Oh, no. Not a missile to the back. Yeah, that's a tracking device. Oh, okay. Mother and calf. So we have not disclosed why we're hunting these guys. Spider is just like frying pan to the fire. Yeah, and that ship driver appears to be a member of the San Francisco Giants.

that outfit he was wearing. Okay, thank you for that explanation. Sure. I don't know if I'll check it out, but now I at least feel informed. I like these little, these crab guys. You should go for a nice long jog with the geese discography and report back. Okay. Definitely leave a long voice memo to Chris that he can automatically delete.

Do you not listen to voice memos ever? I listen to them. Do you listen to voice memos or do you delete them? I'll just read the transcription of them. Depends when who sends it. Yeah. Mal will send like five-minute voice memos to me. She's never sent me one in her life.

That's really long. You just got to ask her questions. I listen to them, but I seldom know how to send them. So like I figure it out, but then sometimes I send it to the wrong person, you know. Yeah, it's a disaster. When people ask me how I'm doing, I just send them an episode of the big picture. Say check this out and you'll figure it all out. Is that how you want to be known?

Is that how you want your emotional life to be understood? It's all real. It's all authentic. Okay. So these guys are all back. All of it. And they have their They're on the hunt.

This is a full-blown hunt. Okay. This stuff is all very real world, Chris. Yeah. Looks really. These are real whales. Yeah. Oh, no.

There's a sensor on that whale. You missed that. He got shot. Yeah. It's a tough break. It's not what you want when you're being hunted. And why is Stephen laying on this trip? If he's just looking for Sully?

He's looking for Sully. But he's commandeered the boat. It's like a, oh. Oh, that's awful. Stop doing that to the wheels. That's a sonic paralyzer because there is such sensitivity to the sound underwater. Yeah. Gotcha.

Forces them to the surface. They hit Millie Bobby with one of those in the season five of Stranger Things. Eleven? Yeah, like a sonic paralyzer thing. How strangeer thing's going? Yeah, so what's up there? It was fine. It was cool.

I got to watch it with like my friend's daughters over Thanksgiving. Oh, that is fun. They were, like, fired up about it, so it was a fun experience. What's going on with everyone in? What's the town where they live? Hawkins, Indiana. Yeah, that's right. And there's a parallel dimension called the upside down right underneath of it.

Okay. And that's stalked by a demon named Vecna. Okay. And they can't seal it up? No, they've military tried. Oh, sure. Did they have any toolcoons there? No.

They have Demigorgans, though. I've seen those. I came up on that show after the second season. Many did. I think it's pretty incoherent. I find it surprising its level of success. Did you watch into the third season? I did.

To the mall one? That was the introduction of Maya Hawke? Yeah. Yeah, I did. Love Myahawk. She's got a big role in this one. I've heard you guys talking about it. I don't, you know.

Timothy Shalemate just posted pictures of him with a new puppy. Do you think it's his puppy? Yeah, he's running. No, he's really running. And then what else is in his carous up? You've seen Marty? We've got Josh. Josh has the black Marty.

But it's not out yet, is it? No, but a lot of people have seen it. Nobody called you and tapped you on the shoulder and said. I had plenty of invitations, but I was traveling internationally and... Fancy. Yeah. Ooh, la la. Yeah.

So, spoiler alert, that won't be on your list this week. I'm fully ready to be, like, completely transparent about the films that will be on my list. Okay. They largely are from the John Wick universe. Okay. I haven't seen sentiment. value and I haven't seen Marty. Otherwise, I'm

pretty much caught up. Are you? Oh, I haven't seen a decision leave. No. Oh, yeah. No other choice. No other choice.

Oh, right. Yeah. This puppy is very small. Tracy, let's tell me no other choices is number one right now based on what he's seen so far. Okay. Does Tracy see everything contemporary? Has he seen one battle after another yet?

I don't think so. Tracy. Should I tax him right now and ask? You can ask him. Tracy. Have you sit, yeah. No other. choice rocks.

It is, yeah, it's really good. Tracy, have you seen? Do you think it's weird to put two Scott Derrickson

films in my top five? Are you, were you planning to put Dr. Strange from 2018 on your list? No, Blackphone 2

and Gorge. I know. Black phone too. You, do you think, Oh, broke hair drop. Knox, Knox, is free.

Knox is hidden. the streets. He's been signed out. Do you know about this? It's like they let you know that he's... Well, yeah, you have to sign your kid in and out of school every day with this app and then you get a notification. It's basically like, is the kid under our care or is the kid under your care? Kids back under my care. I got that. It's the only app that can give me notifications. I don't need that, though, because I have a psychic link like Pia Khan with Alice. So anytime I know she needs something, she can... Oh, I got a text from Ben Stiller asking me for money. Delete and report.

For what? I don't know. I did not. It's like I'm trying to get Severn's season three going. I report them all as junk. I mean, it wasn't from him. So now the whales

are dragging the boats, but they're struggling. We got load management issues with the whales. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to catch them with the barrels.

You can always tell when you get a South African big game hunter who talks a lot of shit that he's going to suffer a really gruesome death at the hands of his very at his prey.

What are these? You may have seen a movie movie or two in your time. Yeah. What are these buoys attached to them? I try to slow them down. That's awful. Spider, you fucking piece of shit, man.

Hope you're happy. He couldn't do anything. Look at the calf. That's brutal. Look at these things. Oh, awful. That's so, what are those? Again, this is fucking Jim cooking.

What is this thing that he designed? Jim's community, his peers, do they like these movies? Jim's. Who are Jim's peers? No, like the DGA, who's hosting Jim and is just like, I'm with God right now. Now, this is amazing. Well, I think he has the admiration of everyone in the industry. I do think that he is famously like kind of a like a poke you with a stick.

Yeah. You know, he'll be like Spielberg can't do this. So like GDT, Deltoros is his homie, right? He told Matt Bellany, Guillermo Deltoros, his best friend who's a filmmaker as well as Catherine Bigelow. You don't see like Cataldo. Oh, that's nice. Bigelow and him used to be together. They used to be together.

But they're still, you know, they show each other their work. They're still very much to have us creative. connection. Yeah. Which is nice. That's nice to think of. I watched a short-form video of Seth Rogen and Aziz Ansari. This is gross.

Talking about like going to dinner or something being like shown to the patio and the only two other people there were James Cameron and Catherine Bigelow. That's wonderful. And they were like, what do we do? Do we talk to them? Blah, blah, blah. And then Jim and Catherine came over and were very nice, which is cool. Makes sense.

Tracy has responded. He has not yet seen one battle after another. So this is them extracting. Is the unobtainium inside of these fucking things? things? It's whale brain juice, which is an even more rare commodity. No way, really? Yeah, it's worth billions of dollars,

which is why all of this tremendous technology and machinery is going into the research. Look at the twinkle and spider's colonist eyes, man. Watch this. This is also giving major Jurassic Park vibes. There's a lot of Jurassic Park in this film. That smaller creature getting eaten by the bigger creature stuff. Yeah, the Bile of the Jaws stuff.

Spielberg is a big part of these movies. movies, I think. Is that good? I mean, I think they, wow. The dramatic scientific breakthrough. There we go. Anti-aging. So this is even better than unobtainium?

$80 million for that. That's not that much money. That's not that much money? Especially in $21.50, whatever. That's like a decent second baseman for eight years, right? There we go. Hey, guys. I'm just saying. In this future America that they're basing this on,

like, I don't know what's happened to the dollar, you know? It's a good question. Yeah. Well, who's been shorting Bitcoin? You know, that's really the question. Right. What's Michael Barry doing in this reality? Okay.

Chris, you have to either join the military or go into corporate America. What do you do? What time period? 1870. Corporate America. You would go be a robber baron. With hindsight, I would not want to be part of what was happening in the 1870s with the American military. I mean, you're from Pennsylvania, more of a Carnegie guy.

Yeah, railroads. Yeah, steel. Also not problematic, though. You caught up on the Gilded Age? Hought up? Yeah. I've seen 10 minutes of the first episode. Okay, wow.

I've seen all three seasons now. Just absolute masterpiece. I have tremendous amount of respect. for Carrie Coon. Yeah. And I haven't seen the show. Okay. Christine Baransky, she's on it.

She is as well. Yeah. Of the namesake, farewell on your pod. Cynthia Nixon, yeah. She's fine. Morgan Spector? Yeah, Morgan Spector. Who else is on that show?

Yeah? Um. Have you watched Pluribus? No, I'm still on episode four of the diplomat. I didn't know if you were like moving around. I didn't finish it. I didn't finish episode four because of incidents, you know? So I can't believe they fucking killed

Is that Winslet? Yeah, and she has a bond with them So she's really upset This is actually slower paced than the third film I guess that is true Yes, but I don't know There are much more, many more set pieces in three That's true

That's interesting Can I ask, does Sully know who's after him? He does He doesn't totally understand it But he does are you guys ready for some ocean facts yes all right great time okay so just to go back to microbes just one liter of water from the ocean can hold up to 38,000 kinds of microbes

that's just about how varied life is in the ocean you know not necessarily because like when you jump in you don't want to be thinking about microbes yeah but not all microbes are like bad it's just that's just the ocean the ocean is a source of life for us in many ways. Right. Okay, you're ready for another one? By the way, I, like, I verified all of these, or at least verified that they were from a real source and not from AI.

Like, I didn't just copy. That's what you were doing outside? Yeah. I would, well, not like, I mean, I was, I can't fact check everything. I'm not a marine biologist, but I did not ask chat GPT for any of these because I have you ever asked chat GPT anything? No, I've never used it because, I mean, have you have. I haven't.

Have you? I asked it for your favorite water facts. And I got some interesting responses. Okay. Here's another one. Parrot fish poop makes up to an estimated 70% of the sand on Hawaiian and Caribbean beaches, created by the fish eating coral and excreting it. Parrot, we say that again?

Parrot fish poop makes up 70% of the sand on Hawaiian and Caribbean beaches. Okay. Great. Good news. Some shark species can lose and regrow up to 30,000 teeth in their lifetimes. I knew that. You did? Yeah.

From whom? I think in my shark phase I retained that from when as a child Were you a shark boy? Yeah You were a shark boy Yeah Giant sperm whales float vertically in the ocean

While sleeping? Like Sean? Yeah I sleep on my stomach Really Every night Can't sleep in any other position Arms splayed out

Yeah and it's suspended in water Not like an upside down Dracula Where you're sleeping on top of your arms No, I sleep with my arms at my sides On my stomach Are you serious? Yeah, that's actually psychotic It's the only way I can get comfortable

Yeah Are the arms, are your palms down or palms up? They're full of cheez-its Every night No, but now I'm trying to imagine positioning myself Okay, so Which way are they? You don't see by your side sleep by your side?

They're flat down so palms up Or sometimes at my side. Maybe sometimes at my... I don't know if I'm quite so stiff when I'm sleeping. You're like a torpedo? A little bit, yeah. A little bit like a torpedo.

That's so weird. So it's just like this? Like you're like a little T-Rex asleep? Hold on. I have a long, tall body. So no. It's not like this. My arms are not like this. I would say that I used to be a semi-sleeper,

but between pregnancy and neck problems, I've had to move to my side. Yeah. What about you? Side. Yeah. And use sleep standing up. And now they're,

a little rebellion going. Mm-hmm. Oh, he's got to go save Pyocon or something, or they've been banned, but they've got to join up. Get off me. So Loak's striking out alone. Intergenerational drama. Sure.

Intra-tribe drama. Yeah. Yeah. Inter-species drama. Mm-hmm. The natural world colliding with technology. Sure. Who did the music for this?

John Tesh. Is it Thomas Newton Howard? For Thomas Newton, I should say. No, Thomas Newman. Thomas Newman is doing the music for Star Wars Starfighter. I have an ocean fact that's also a pitch for the next dream. Did you see Sean Levy? He was like they made me redo the ending of my movie.

Of which movie? Of Starfighter, of the Star Wars movie. Oh, why? Because someone was dead. What do you mean? He said that? He said the opposite, I thought. They let him do whatever he wanted. No, that was what he first said. And then he was just like, I think what he meant was like, I was encouraged to rethink the ending and thank God I was because it's so much better. Simon Franklin is the composer who did the music for this film.

He did the music for Avatar. He did the music for, he arranged for Thomas Newman on Skyfall. Okay. He works with Thomas Newman and James Horner. Is getting rid of the censor so that they can't find, oh no. But it's too late. You say shit in Navi? Yeah, sure.

Okay. I I can't I still can't believe a Sean Levy Star Wars movie is happening Like it's happening Like is in a good or a bad way In a terrible way

Okay I mean have you watched Sean Levy's movies Yes and I don't enjoy them But like I never you know I just wanted to So it's a quality control issue for you For me honestly As much as I like him

And I bet Project Tail Mary is gonna be dope I just don't I can't believe what they did to my boy Gossling Yeah. It's what they did or maybe what he did. I know, but I just missed place beyond the pines, Ryan. Yeah.

You know, drive Brian. It's hard to tell him to only make incredibly violent alienating movies about maybe men who cannot communicate. Like, he can't do that forever. I'm not asking for that. Why not? Clint Eastwood did. That's not true.

That's not true. When he was like 70. He made every which way of loose. Like you can do other kinds of things. Yeah, but he's not, it's Fall Guy, Barbie. Project Hail Mary, this Star Wars movie. I think Project Hail Mary is a win.

Even if the movie doesn't work ultimately, I think doing stuff like that is great. It's a beloved book, science fiction but grounded, made with a good film, good filmmakers. I think it's cool. I'm excited about it.

The Star Wars thing, I'm just like, I can't, we've been waiting nine years for a fucking Starfighter. Star Wars, the dumbest name imaginable. The dumbest name imaginable. Starfighter,

it's already called Star Wars. Let him know. What the fuck are they fighting? Get it off your chest, game. But why is no one saying the same thing I'm saying, right? Not just you guys, is everyone, are we collectively agreed that this sucks? I just think that, like...

Okay, so they're going out to fight for the Tukun? That was Kit Winslet doing her. They're going to see prevention. They're taking a piece of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back with them, okay. Okay. And the production design...

Was Stephen Lane, like, this is what I wanted to have happened? We were going to hug the whales, and then we're going to draw them out. Yes. Because he understands that these people have a connection to the tool. No,

I'm not ready to give up the Star Wars thing. Okay. And I know I sound like a weird like an elder millennial baby but it just sounds shitty. Can you watch, will you watch season two of Andor for me?

You didn't do it? No. I have to do it over Christmas. I had to watch too many things to get ready for later this week's episode. There are things that I was like, I don't know if I feel good about doing the best of the year if I haven't seen

these five movies. Well, I've seen Andor season two and I have not seen sentimental about it. you. Okay. That's where I am. I think that's okay.

Yeah, but Starfighter's not out yet. Like when Starfighter comes out, if I haven't seen Indoor 2, I failed. Right. Help me out. I mean, I agree with you. It's an abomination. It's an abomination.

It's terrible. Why are you all pretending like this is okay? I think it's also... Star Wars, Mommy, I am not. Yeah. They wouldn't let Ben Solo fight. They took away the Benny Off and Weiss trilogy. They took away Ryan Johnson's sequel.

They took away... They said no to Steven Soderberg. Where's James Mangold's fucking Munk's fucking Munk's movie? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, a good question. Where's Tycho Waititi's Star Wars movie?

Yeah. Where's... Who else? What was Rogue Squadron? Patty Jenkins's movie. Oh, yeah. And so we moved through all of these filmmakers. You can have varying degrees of interest

in any of their films. But we netted at the blandest mainstream, movie maker in America to make a Star Wars movie? I mean That's the way the world is moving. It is disappointing. It's really bad. Okay, so now... Maybe it'll be great.

Don't put the sensor is in a reef. I mean, that's like it for the reef. And one of my ocean facts that I learned that I knew already, but the reefs are very important for life on this planet, and I assume on Pandora. Okay, they're also, they're hiding.

Oh, these are like hermit crabs. Yeah. I love these creatures, these little mecha crabs. This is Jim cooking, all of this stuff. You want to go on a submersible lever? I'm interested. It seems dangerous. I will say the sequences in the life aquatic seem very fun. Sure, but, you know, if Wes Anderson is designing the submersible,

I want a submarine made of paper machete. I'm definitely available. What about you? I don't want to go to submarine. You don't want to go in space, yeah. No, I agree. You wouldn't be able to be trapped? I wouldn't mind being trapped in space.

like in a space station where I could jog. What if a xenomorph was on board? So that's your concern, physical movement. You need to be able to jog. Yeah, but I also just think that like space stations just seem kind of sick, you know, like, it's that your little zero gravity moments, you know. I have always wanted to do that. I recently found out that my good friend Molly got to go to space camp when she was younger

and she did the zero gravity thing. I didn't know this about her. And I just, the jealousy is still coursing through me. Yeah. You know? Maybe that's the yogurt, actually. You got to get that out. You got to go to space camp

You do have to go to space camp We've done that We've talked about this once before And I googled it on a podcast And they do have adult space camp Of course they do Is it at SpaceX? Like do you have to go

And like Jupiter Florida right No it's not Jupiter That's where all the rich people live This is Cape Canaver Jupiter's where all the golf bros live That's where Tiger lives Yes Rich people as I said

It's going to Tiger's house Tigers chipping putting again Yeah Well and among other things I didn't say golfing Okay All right, so they're under attack and the crab. What's up with a little T. Grace? You all right?

He just did a press conference today. He was like, his back is fucked, but I'm chipping and putting. Okay. God, I love you so much. I mean, there's, the level of interest there is in golf when he is playing is incalculable compared to, like, when it's not. Yeah. You know? It's like the casual look you lose where, like, is Tiger playing on Sunday?

It would be unbelievable. I like golf. Okay. How did you feel about Happy Gilmore 2? I didn't see it. Should I see that before the best of the year pod? I appreciate you guys letting me participate, even though I haven't seen some of these classic films

like Happy Gilmore 2. I wonder what you'll make of sentimental value, too. Or sentimental value. Is it okay if I haven't seen Sentimental Value 1 before I see 2? Yeah, but 2 is a prequel, so it's okay. Is it South Scars Gar-Sgarz is just playing as Andor character, right? No, he's playing the professor from Goodwill Hunting in sentimental value.

He wears his Fields Medal the whole time. Okay. Seems like they're in trouble. Yeah. Oh. None of these people have any moral compunction about what they're doing. Seems like it's a no.

You know. It's a job. It's an allegory for how we treat those who are different from us. And and the natural world also. And they all work for a military military

industrial corporation. They capture creatures. This is what we do to real sea life in our world. Sure, you rat. You better redeem yourself, man.

Yeah, it's been like two hours and 15 minutes at least, Spider. He's powerless. Grow a pair. Yeah. Speak up. You guys are bullying Spider. Yeah.

Practice political journalism, the Amanda Dobbins way. He's just a kid. He can grow up to be right and lizard. One day. Start a substack. Oh, my God. So what's the idea here?

They're capturing them to get Sully or they're capturing them to study their bodies or what? Why do they want Sully back revenge? Yes, and also that he is kind of like a symbol for betraying the human race. Oh, that's right. But Steve Lange's like Navi, it's like, you and me were not so different? Like, what's going on? Well, he's a clone. He's not actually a human consciousness proper. So, I guess they can argue it a way that in order

to defeat the Navi, you must become like the Navi. This is sad. They're tying up children. Don't like that. I mean, in the political environment, this is pretty serious stuff. Practically won battle. Yeah. I think you're making a joke, but I think it's, this is what genre is for. You're totally right.

To confront people with these ideas in ways that are entertaining and then they start to realize that this is evil to do this sort of thing. Yes. So are people making the connection to the real world.

Some people are not. It's our job as cultural commentators to point out these ideas. You are right. You are 100% right. So he's got his seeds. Yeah. He's mad as shit.

One of the interesting tensions of the movie for real for me is this guy is an ex-marine who is really good at shooting people but who has been thrust into a world where pacifism and connection to the world is definitional to their lives

much like James Cameron it's totally a reflection of his point of view moved from Los Angeles where he was the the weapons king and trained in all the guns and now in New Zealand

he says in that piece there are no guns I don't need it anymore there's a lot of things in these movies. I mean, also, this is a movie about a guy who's like, I wasn't a good father and I'm trying to get better. Do you relate?

I didn't I get that. You don't get that from Jake Sully dealing with his teenagers? I don't think we were talking too much about, you know, yogurt and political journalism. No, I've been watching. And now I'm getting dialed.

Okay. We're kind of heading into the best part of the movie here. He just... Well, we are. already, Pi-a-Con was the best part of the movie. Yeah, I did like Pyocon. So Winslet's mad now.

This is, they're confronted with what do they do? They have to fight back. There's no other choice in the face of these genocidal monsters. Again, silly and stuff right now. So it's about American isolationism. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

I don't know. I think this is, these movies are really dinged for having poor writing. And I think it's because Cameron historically is not the best writer of dialogue. Yes. But I think the frameworks of his stories, while simple, are often insightful and create enough room to have these ideas

sit comfortably. Yeah. They take... I'm not trying to be pointy-headed. No, no, no. But I don't disagree with you. You know, they take too much room and I think as the films go on,

he becomes more invested, not just in like... It's a pie-con building. Pycon lurking here? Yes. But also, you know, he is enamored with his own ideas and the symbolism of his own ideas

in these films and can stretch it out a little more than is totally necessary. We will explore that when we talk about the new movie for sure. It's not without fault. I just appreciate that there's someone who's trying to make big blockwester's that are about something. So do you think that the reason why, do you think that the narrative that these movies don't have a cultural impact is one that's just been thrown at it and has happened to stick? Or do you think there's any truth to that? there's truth to it. And why do you think that is?

There's not great merchandising around these movies. They're not super rewatchable. They don't have the same level of like happy mealification. They're very adult films. They're very violent. They're more or less R-rated action movies. They don't appeal to kids the way the most things that have this cultural impact do.

So that's a factor. Some of it is there's quite strange, an abiosyncratic? So Pyocon's on land here. He's on boat. And there's also, I mean, there was a 10-year, 12-year gap between the first and second installments. And this is three years. Because he was waiting for the technology to catch up or something? Yeah.

And I think they were going through all of the work that they needed to go through to make it the way that he wants to, which I admire. One thing I would recommend for people who are watching this or listening to this episode is they, Disney Plus just put out a two-part making of documentary about the making. of this film. And it's more of a bonus feature than it is a documentary ultimately, but it explains in detail everything that they had to figure out about how to shoot on water, which is super complicated. And there's a lot of time spent with the stunt performers who pull off all of this stuff. And just the various difficulties of trying to create like water action and the way that water moves against the currents of these, you know, these creatures and the ships and all of this technology that they're basically inventing.

and what would be the logical science behind how those things operate. There's just like so much intention and time put into thinking about it that maybe you don't get it all when you watch the movie. Sure. But I think that in that big gap

there was a ton of, there was years where they had to kind of figure out how to execute on this. The same way that like Titanic took so long from to figure out how to do that. Yeah, I just think Titanic just has, like it's easier to like get lost in Titanic

not because it's a real thing that happened but because the characters wind up pulling you in. Yeah. You can watch you right for, yeah, yeah, for Jack and... I like Titanic, too. And I wouldn't argue that Avatar is better than Titanic. But I think Titanic has just as much terrible dialogue. Sure, but it also has, I'm the king of the world, so.

Is that part good? Well, it's memorable. It is memorable. And that's, I mean, I think what is memorable versus... Yeah, it is. I disagree. What does they say? I see you.

That's how they say. It's when they make their connection, like, when they're like, we are connected. I see. But what's memorable versus what's good is also an interesting rubric through which to discuss the films of James Cameron. What's his best movie, Chris? Aliens?

That's my favorite of his. Yeah. T2? I like aliens more than T2. Do you have a favorite? I mean, Titanic, but T2 is really good, too. I like them both. Coming around on Terminator,

wasn't always an original Terminator guy. Because I get older. Huge achievement. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. Pretty crazy what they pulled off. Piranha two? Spawning two.

It's okay. A lot of some piranha two vibes. Is this the big battle? Is this the final battle? I think we have more coming. Yeah. I mean, at some point it just becomes one big. Yeah.

One big battle. Do you want to talk a little bit about iterations and remote control design? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was out to dinner with some friends a couple weeks ago. and one of my friends who works in the movie industry was like, here's the biggest thing that happened in the movie business in the last 10 years is they started putting the Netflix symbol

on remote controls. And as soon as they did that, it was over. Netflix won. That was the nail in the coffin for the entirety of the theatrical film business. And I thought that was fascinating. I hadn't thought about that, but putting that symbology on a physical item

that you touch every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, exactly. And it was like, this is TV now. I just thought that that was very powerful and smart and simple. It's true. And kind of definitional. That was it.

Yeah. And so on this remote, which is for an LG television, it has Netflix, Prime Video, and Disney. But in the top left position, of course, is Netflix. Right. Yeah. They haven't made that functionality like any better, though, from a user experience. I mean, the... Damn.

That's work. Workplace. You know, like Thanksgiving at the parents' home. I know everyone's complaining about motion smoothing or whatever, but my issue is just trying to make the load a single app on the smart TV, you know, just one for five minutes. It doesn't work nearly as well as it should. Yeah, it does not work.

Yeah. Yeah, crashed it. I have a wonderful 4K player at home, and they put a fucking Netflix button on the 4K player. I'm like, I spent $800 on this fucking 4K player. You put the Netflix symbol right in the middle of this remote control? What does your parents call the remote controller

clicker, remote? Remote. Remote. It's New York. The clicker. Clicker? Yeah. I didn't say, I never said that. Is this Charles Milton?

No. It's not Charles Milton. This is a prequel to May December, though. Christopher, how do you say the word for the condiment that goes on a hot dog with mustard? Or at least on some... Catchup? You say ketchup.

Yeah. But you are from Philadelphia. Yeah. That's the... It's the... I will... I will walk out of my home if my children start pronouncing it catch up. Yeah, in the Philly way.

They won't be speaking. They'll be texting me. Okay. You'll have a PiaCon brain link with them. You guys will be communicating about how far along you are in Red Dead Red Dead Redemption. Right. Okay. So Red Dead Redemption is Cowboys?

Yeah, it's awesome. You have to take care of your horse. Oh. Okay. Yeah, Pyacon. Fuck that guy. Go Pyacon. Oh, no.

Cut it. No. Cut it. No. Come on, brother. Yeah, flip the, yes, flip the boat. Okay. This guy is just one of the most unlikable dudes ever.

Yeah, it doesn't really seem like any of their life jackets are properly secured. You know, which is like I have second thoughts about this. I'm a marine biologist. Well, he shouldn't be participating in the death of sea creatures. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, in theaters. My soul came out of my body street.

My soul came out of my body when that happened when we saw it in the theater. Do you remember where we saw this? I can't remember the movie theater was. We went together in 2022. We did? Yeah. I got a gigantic soda. Okay.

I had to go to the bathroom like four times. I guess it would have been Burbank. I think it was Burbank. Yeah. Saw in 3D. Shot you K-Cole Gavin? Have you been? to South Africa, Chris?

No, this guy's Australian. He's Australian, okay. Is he, is he Kiwi? No, I think he's an Aussie. Jameen is from New Zealand. Yeah. I believe so, yeah. Okay, this vessel is in trouble.

This is sick. Cut him in half? Oh, come on, dog. Oh, you're not going to like this. Rope against your goat. Yes. And there the arm goes flying. Detached.

Yeah. This guy really, like, loves the fact that everybody else died so he became captain. So he gets a yellow band, and I'm the captain now. Oh, that was sick. That was a cool way to board a plane or board of a boat. I'm serious. During this part of the movie, I was like, the gym is cooking. Yeah.

I often wonder about this. Like, I find it hard to get directors to explain this specifically to me about, like, designing action set pieces. The only person who really does it is Stahelsky. he'll be like, this is how we did this? I was thinking this and we wanted to have this element because of this. And some of it is because, like, the stunt coordinators and the stunt designers do a lot of that work. But Cameron, like, he, you know, he's in the weeds.

Yeah, he's very specific. I'd love to hear him, like, do the Telestrator breakdown of a scene. Oh, yeah. Is that Curie? That is Kiri. Does she look like Sigourney Weaver to you yet? No. Okay.

I remember when I first saw it, I was like, oh, that does. look like Sigourney Weaver. Like, I get it. Okay. Top five, Sigourney Weaver rolls. Okay. Ghostbusters. Yeah. Five. Okay. I mean, Ripley and Alien.

Well, that's one. Well, that's one. Yeah. Working Girl. Working Girl is definitely in there. Only four. Wow. Okay. Gorge. Bree is the Gorge. What's Sigourney's other best roles?

Is the Gors to Miles tell her Anya Taylor Joy one? I don't think you told me she was in that. She plays an evil CIA. Oh, yeah. What about the Paul Schrader movie? Is she in car counter or she in? She is in Constant Gardner. And she is, she is, not the Constant Gardner, Master Gardner. She is electrifying.

He's incredible in that movie. I was like if we're going to do Sogorney Weaver villain. She is so good. Questionable movie released in the last five years. Questionable about it to me. Galaxy Quest, that's a good one. You know, I was thinking of copycat. That's one of the first ones that comes up.

What's up with this sun here? is he this is a problem for him like the eclipse that's happening um oh something happens during the eclipse that they explained earlier but i don't remember what it is it's like they lose their powers or something oh no uh that's bad right i pushed into the water so gornie not as strong a filmography as you might think she is in the mandolorean and grogu yes hmm yeah is her face no she's she's she's like their new like operator i think like she's sending them on missions or something Andorrean and Grogu, you're excited, Chris?

No. I'm not, man. What happened? What happened, guys? So I guess you could put Avatar in it. Would you put Avatar one or two? I think one. Okay.

Even though I like her points. A spider about to catch a bullet? She plays herself in finding Dory? Didn't know that. Yes. is on a screen at the aquarium, and she's, like, one of the guides explaining what's happening at the aquarium, I know because I just saw Finding Dorian Theaters with Alice recently.

Okay, that's nice. Her episode of Call My Agent was very good. I haven't seen it. The French one? Yeah, the French one. I don't think I saw that. But Spider can't do super swimming, right? He's just a regular old human.

With Quarich's DNA. okay why is all of the all of the production design yellow on these on these I mean probably for safety precautions right right color but the whole thing is for safety

well so you can see it in the event of what like darkness under in the event of pyrecon coming up from behind and sinking his body on top of the vessel oh yeah shot oh no who's this who guys got this is his older brother

he's bleeding out dude gotta get winslet to put hands on him I did this oh okay so this animal is gonna take him back where he needs to go what do you think about the Navi siblings all calling each other bro you know

do you think in Jim's final draft script writing he's like comma bro every time that is what kids say to each other right now. Yeah. Like my niece, I saw my niece in New York in October. And my niece, Madeline, and she was like, she called me bro the whole weekend. Like, bro, bro, bro, bro, check this out.

Okay. Just 14. Well, that's nice. You know, you're young. But was Jim, like, ahead of the curve on that? Or, like, are all the kids copying Avatar? I, yes. I think that they watch it every night.

You don't think that they're like, and then they're like. But maybe this is its cultural cache. Oh, you think that's what starts. Bro coming back? Yeah, when Loak is calling his brother, bro. All right, they're trying to save him. I can't believe how little Nateria is in this way. I'm kind of blown away.

I did not remember the... This guy got to bleed out? What happens here, man? Watch, just keep watching. Yeah. We're not going to spoil things for you. Okay, here comes this guy. Oh, there she is.

Oh, there she is. Oh, no. This is really not what you want. That's very sad. Okay. the forest. It's got a little chill. You got a little chill?

I like these movies. Yeah. I don't know what to say. You're looking at me. I'm not going to ruin them for you. Yeah. I get it. I mean, it's very sad.

Don't start crying, though. Don't be weird. It's sad. They lost their child. I know. And they're human. Like, you can see Zoe Saldon.

You know, they do a good job. communicating the humanness in these emotions. Yeah, so that's thoughtful. This is just like hemmed it. This is a lot like a lot like lioness. Is it? Yeah, when she has to order in a drone strike on her own operative. Oh, boy.

Does she do it? First episode, dude. First few minutes. Wow. Sets it up. Did you cry? I got choked up at the part when the first lioness joins the Marines. And they're like, why do you want to be a Marine?

and she's just like narrates the pamphlet back at him. He's like, bullshit, why do you want to be a Marine? And then she's like, I was being chased and a Marine helped me. And he's like, then you know exactly what it means to be a Marine. Wow, that's beautiful. Do you enlist that day? I started sobbing. That's great.

Okay. The machine's still there. Where do you think Teller Sheridan and Nets out on the intention of going to Vietnam? I would love to find out. with the Taylor Sheridan show about Vietnam. You think he's like good idea, wrongly executed? I can't, honestly, he's one of the most mysterious minds in Hollywood. Absolutely.

Many people are saying, it's certainly hard to read what he thinks. What he juxtaposes is just so wild, where he's just like, did you watch the most recent episode of Landman? No, no. Multiple scenes of Alley Larder attempting to give Billy Bob Roadhead. Sure. Juxtaposed with a chemical leak and Andy Garcia, playing a...

Those are not juxtapositions. I'm not sure you know what that word means. There's nothing antithetical. No, they're tonal... Or strikingly different. Yes, there is. Watching four men being like,

I'm dying of like a chemical leak while Allie Larder is like, baby keep the car straight. And he's like, that's too much teeth. That's what's said in this show. Too much teeth. I mean, too much teeth. This is like a moment of...

parental grief and bonding and digging, you know, deep to protect our other children? I teared up during the scene when the kid died for Christy. Yeah, here we go. Now it's fucking revenge time. No, now it's fucking lying this time.

Yes. This is why I've been wondering we're going to tear his at. She is the great warrior. And now she's, yeah. She's ready to fucking sore. It's Kauai. Take the minutes limit off.

It just completely blows up both knees in the second quarter. Kawhi NBA great All-timer Great pitch man You know When you think about it

Hawaii Leonard is a great pitch man Yeah Well he's an earner Yeah Cash a lot of checks Where are you at on them What's it called Asphyxiate

Aspiration The tree planting Startup that he was reportedly Oh okay Allegedly a spokesman for Well I know what you told me the last time we talked about this on the podcast. Did you ever get to the bottom of how much you invested in the company?

Donated in the tree company? No, because I was digging the trees and planting them myself. There we go. We know that about you. I borrowed a lot of money against my aspiration stock. So where does he play? Is he still? He's a clipper?

He's a clipper. He's still playing. Yeah, but his knees are giving him problems. But the legal focus on the NBA has moved instead to gambling. and so they're not as They've got some fires they have to put out Yeah In the national basketball

How do you feel about the health of the league? Well, I love the players You know You love the players Yeah, I'm a player guy The player first Sorry Don't know if that's controversial

You just said it with such ease Like it's a thing you've said many times I think there's a lot of really The great young players David Falk over here I love all my guys all my little boys that I keep in my stable Oh my gosh

I thought I was going to choke on that water If the Knicks go to the finals They're not But go ahead Yeah Why would you say that to me? Do you think the Knicks are going to the finals Aren't they already beefing with each other

Don't they already hate cat? What are you talking about? Doesn't Mikhail Mikaille hates cat Because he doesn't defend? No, they're fine They're doing very well How do you know?

I mean, I guess I don't know for sure I don't have Miquel on speed dial McHill Bridges That's what Liz needs to do Mergent next line. This is McCallel and Cat. Right. Get back to work.

That's a hard story to break. I think they could go to the finals. I'm not saying they would win. They would probably get their doors blown off. No one will beat the Thunder for several years. I agree with that. But if they go to the finals, like, am I, I'm a lot to be excited about that, right?

Yeah, for sure. Of course. I would never, I don't begrudge you any sports joy at all. Thanks. And you've always been, honestly, more supportive than you need to be. I, I just don't like the Phillies. I know.

Yeah. The other teams are, we're good. I don't, if you, I, Sixers, you know, you haven't had a title in a long time. Oh, she's fucking shit up now. Yeah. Yeah. She's the real line. She's throwing arrows right in their eyes.

She was doing this shit way before Taylor Sheridan knew about Sal Danya. Way before. Natiri was wrecking dudes. Is Stephen Lang still? Yeah, he's alive. Yeah, there is. So is this actually. is that a Zoe Saddanya's stunt double

doing all this jumps and stuff? I think she does a lot, but there are definitely a lot of doubles. Yeah, a lot of stunt doubles as well. There is a lot of attention in that. I wonder if he could have gotten these movies together much faster if the Navi were just normal height.

You ever think about that? That's a note I would love to give him. If the Navi were just 5'9. Right. Then we've got a regular cadence. You have a surprising amount of notes for James Cameron, the most successful director in the history of Hollywood. I wasn't here for a purpose. I wasn't here to just kiss this movie's

ass, you know? That's true. It's supposed to be the voice. Thus far, is it any more like or unlike what you thought? I think this one's much more combat that I imagined and much more, like, especially this last hour. Yeah. Has been a little bit more engaging. I probably talked less because I'm a little bit more my eyes on the screen. Yeah. Because this is more up my alley as far as action Punching each other, yeah. And I think if you listen. People psychically communicating with like inanimate objects or animated, but whatever. You're not as into that.

Yeah. You don't have a spiritual inner life. It's not true. I don't know if you didn't listen to my task pods, I guess. I didn't. What did you talk about? I was going down the road of reading Franciscan philosophers, Richard Rour. You know?

But does that mean you have an inner spiritual life? How does that relate to task? Well, Richard Rour's philosophy on life is that the task of life is to like, discover what you're supposed to do with the second half of it after you've set up like your baseline personality and your beliefs. Okay. And they're like, what do you do with that? And does that correspond to how you're feeling right now?

I guess so, yeah. What is your task? My task is to watch Avatar to lay the water. Okay. And, you know, and I have experiences like this. I haven't decided yet. But my spiritual life is like an ongoing process as it is for every human, you know? Oh, no, it's her beau.

Speak more about it. I'm not like, it's dead, it's out. You're open to new feelings. Are you open to new feelings? No. I have plenty. Like, all right, I'm good. Like, you know, we're at capacity.

For new things. Do you think your spiritual life is topped up? The tank is full? I don't think I have one, actually. I think I'm pretty dead inside in that way. Or the spiritual life is like all around us. You know, it's in the every day. Sure.

There we go. Can I tell you something? I'm feeling an awakening coming. For you? In your spiritual life? Do you think that that will subsequently change your attitude towards cinema? Like maybe you'll get rid of all this plastic in your life. No, interconnected.

Art is my spirituality. You found the one spiritual ideology that promotes the acquisition of DVDs. No, I... One Jesuit scholar who was like, go forth and collect. You haven't seen Wake Up Dead Man. No. You've seen it. Yeah.

So it's all about Brian Johnson's like test of faith. Yeah. Yeah. And I had him on the show, which I guess we're next week. Spider on the block here. We don't want that. We really don't want this. This does clarify.

What has Spider done for us thus far in this film? He's just shown a discomfort with the aggression. Okay. Of his clone father's tendencies. And also, we know that he grew up with these kids. Yeah. Right? So he's connected to them.

He doesn't want to be killed by Niteri, that's for sure. Very quickly on the Ryan Johnson thing, my mom is extremely spiritual in the second half of her life. And one thing I shared with him is that she became very close friends with a priest. And then, like, I would come home from school and the priest would just be there hanging out with my mom. And I'd be like, this is so strange. Yeah, that is here. But I was thinking about her opening her mind. Oh, that's nice.

In the second half of her life. Yeah. being more open to changing feelings. So I like what you're saying. Yeah. Okay. You never know. I don't really like the Catholic Church specifically.

Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing is that like spirituality. I'm fine with that. Can you point to an organized religion of any kind where it's like at the end of the day, I'm like. I think the, I think the Lutherans are nice.

Eh, I don't know. I grew up with some Lutherans. So, you know. With Martin Luther? Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. he had a lot of problems

a lot of ideas so they got their whole squad back where's spider you can't let this dude live oh okay here they go this is a former corporal and a colonel in hand-to-hand combat in the V bodies very normal movie

okay while other people are swimming around and fire a ring of fire on water Speaking of fire in the water Watched Dunkirk again Still goaded Did you see QT's list? I sure did What did you think? I was like you and I are Smoking 1 oh hold on

The same brand of cigarettes my brother Googling right I mean that I would not put Black Hawk number one Yeah that drop was very CR But I was like I see you and I understand you But some real Some real if you go through the ringer archives

You know we did Unstoppable and Dunkirk with him on the rewatchable so no surprise to see those. I was surprised to, I didn't know I thought he was social network over Zodiac and I was interested to see...

We've talked to... We specifically have talked to him about that over which is bad. I mean, that's a fierce debate. Toy Story 3. He's been talking about that for years. He loves that movie. Some interesting,

some major idiosyncratic picks, but I thought it was cool. Yeah. Good job. Did you agree with him about... his take that Martin Scorsese hasn't made a movie in the 21st century as good as West Side Story?

I don't. I don't. But I think silence is wildly underrated. Oh, okay. And I would love to know what Quinn thinks about silence. Okay.

Because it's not doing the thing that, you know, West Side Story is doing a thing that Wolf and... Jack just sent me a Paul Dano a quote from Quentin, um... I heard it. I'm going to read it now.

It's very severe. There will be blood. Would stand a good chance at being number one or number two if it didn't have a big giant flaw in it. And the flaw is Paul Dano. Obviously, it's supposed to be a two-hander, but it's also drastically obvious that it's not a two-hander. Dano is weak-sossed man.

He is the weak sister. Austin Butler would have been wonderful in that role. Wow. It keeps going. So I think, listen, I like Paul Dano very much. Wildlife. wonderful film Paul Dano is a phenomenal actor

one of the best actors of his generation I didn't think that he worked in the Wizard of the Kremlin which is the Olivier S-Ass movie starring Vladimir Putin I did I should saw it in Venice yeah about to be CR's best of

2026 Jude Law as Putin you know I didn't think Paul Dano was the perfect casting for that you didn't no but all right

everybody's entitled to their opinion I love Paul Dino in that movie especially so I don't agree what are we getting what's big next year

what's a big movie that's coming out I mean the Odyssey is coming out yeah will you go see this for the like five minute featureette will you go see the new avatar

for the five minute okay I'm not gonna I'm not gonna watch the five minutes that's not worth $20 to you no it's not about money about purity of experience. Okay.

You want to be able to, you won't watch the trailer? I'm into it. I watched the teaser. I guess I'll watch the trailer. I don't want certain things spoiled for me. Okay. I don't want to see the sirens until I walk into an IMAX movie theater.

I'm with him. Who's playing the sirens? Sidney-sweeney. Cloned. Uh-huh. You didn't read about that? But it's Navi Sirens, right? This is a very protracted final battle

between Korich. Okay, now they're underwater punching each other? Can Korich breathe underwater? He hasn't had this kind of training. Very good point. I don't know. Fucking sleeper hold. Yeah.

It's like Roddy Piper down there. Trying to put them out. You know about Raddy, Roddy Piper? You familiar with his work? No, but I have to sign up for a parent-teacher conference right now because I missed them and... Can that wait like nine minutes until the movie is over? Well, do you want me to be able to podcast next week?

You know what I just saw this week that I really loved. Like I can be here doing this work Or I can get a good spot You know what I really love that I saw this week That has a great fight scene And a great sleeperhold What's on? Splitsville

Oh yeah it was fun Funny movie Yeah Very very like elaborate stunt work Right like smashing through glass tables Yeah I like those guys They're really funny Very amusing to be like yeah

We absolutely are married to Adrire Arona And Dakota Johnson Just straight up hilarious I enjoyed that one It's a fun movie Yeah Okay So they're swimming under the fire

And he's Oh he's Jake's also got to learn He also can't breathe underwater Did Stephen Lang get out? He did He didn't do the Kate Wenslet training This would be you Chris

20 seconds Oh so Stephen Lang lives to fight another day That sucks dude I'm just gonna keep watching the movies You need him to die Well I assume this is going to happen in three right What's going to happen?

That he gets Vadered or palpatined. Okay, so now they're under... You'll have to see when you go to see the Odyssey trailer. A wreckage. And then, you know, this is a pretty long underwater stunt. At some point, the novelty wears off. It would be really funny. Underwater stuff.

This is a very long sequence. A very funny sketch would be I get middle row, middle of the row. for the middle row of an IMAX theater. Right. And after the Odyssey trailer, protractedly climb over every single person to get out so I don't watch Avatar Fire an Hatch. You should go at like the 8 a.m. screening as well.

Oh, I guess so, yeah. Yeah. Okay. They've got Jake. Just want you guys to know that this is what happens to me these days. What? I get a text from a friend who works in the industry. Yeah.

Someone I haven't talked to in a few weeks. Mm-hmm. This has happened a couple of times. Okay. And he just says, I'm hearing it's Netflix. Oh, okay. Oh, that Warner Brothers and stuff. All right.

And, like, I don't, you know, maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. It's just a rumor. Well. This is just what it's like now, you know? That's cool. Every day. I don't think, uh, I don't think Trump's going to let the happen, right?

Is he? You might be out of office by the time this thing closes. That's true. We got to go to court in Delaware. It'll take two and a half years. Yeah. I guess so. All right, so I don't even...

Who's helping who right now? He thought it was his dead son. Oh, he thought he was a head. It's actually a lowock, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh. He's a tough dad.

Yeah, he's not even giving his kid a fucking peace. Yeah. He must have been raised in a challenging environment, right? Spider, man. What about you? I mean, Spider is just kind of like around... like you see what he just did though right but he doesn't do very much

he's just like always there being like he's just like I'm so sorry he did his own dad that's who he just dragged up to the shore okay well are you serious yeah this goes back in the spider's back out of my cool book now well these stories are complicated man it's not that simple that's the Navi clone of his own father yeah okay what would you do

your your sincerity is throwing me off There's got to be something in this world that you believe in. And if it's not God... What do I believe in? Yoder. Yeah. That much.

Okay. Come on, these movies bring this out of us, you know? You're confronting your fears. This is kind of silly, though. Right. So what's she confronting right now? She's channeling AWA. But she can't, or else she's going to have a seizure.

Well, no, but she is connected to the natural. mystical world. Okay. And... Who is that? That's Jake and Loak, his son. Oh, because Loak's like, I got... I kind of mastered this whole water thing.

Yes, he knows how to swim underwater with Piakon. He's a master of the sea. Erie is like, we need the... We need the natural world in the spirits of Aywa to save my family. And where Sigourney Wallace is happening? Like, the Sigourney, the human part of her? She's dead in gel. She's floating in like a gel bubble.

Okay. And Rebezi is back on Earth. Yeah, he's furiously masturbating right now. No, he's practicing his putting. No, he's fixing cameras. You know, I really want to have him on the show. Let's talk about just that. Just about VistaVision?

Just about the camera stuff. That seems cool. You think that would be interesting? Yeah, I do. Do you think he has a line where it's like, you know, because Euphoria is shooting in VistaVision? Yes, I heard. Oh, my God.

It is. I did not hear that. Okay, everybody. Like, how shitty does the movie have to be? Where they're like, But we're going to shoot on VistaVision. And is he like, I'm not going to fix the cameras for you. I'm sorry.

You know, that's funny. Like Ballerina 2, you know? I was just on the Pure Cinema podcast last week to talk about the new Beverly December calendar. And there was a movie on the calendar that was shot in VistaVision. And it kind of like, it speaks to, but also a little bit undermines what you're describing. The movie, it's a Humphrey Bogart movie called, shoot. What is the movie? We're no angels.

Magic jellyfish. It's... And now Natiri's wearing it. Bogart, Aldo Ray, and Peter Usenov play three escaped convicts from Devil's Island who basically like kidnap slash befriend a shopkeeper and his family over Christmas. Oh. And it's just like an all-in-one location Christmas movie. Fun movie. I liked it.

Shot on VistaVision. It's not really terribly cinematic at all. It's just like once upon a time. It was a format that just was like standard for its time. So it's not like so crazy to do that, but when you use it for one battle or you use it for the Brutelist, you expect that it's going to be. And now a bunch of other movies, what other, there's a couple of other filmmakers who are using it now. Well, Brady Corbe is going to make a four-hour movie over there, right? Yes, that's what he says, rated X.

We aren't doing like a lot of James Cameron greatest hits in this one. Like we had the Terminator 2, we had a lot of aliens, we had the Terminator 2 section, now we're doing some Titanic. Let me ask you a question about that. Yeah. So like late style, right? where a filmmaker is like, fuck your criticisms of like, I'm repeating myself. This is my thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you like that? Yes, of course. I mean, I think it when it's in a more contained package. Well, it can be done poorly and it can be done well, but I think that you're not repeating yourself. You're investigating your interests, whether they are thematic or, I mean, like, he is doing the settings

and conflicts of movies that he's done before, but all of this is like new. back, right? So, and, like, set in a totally different world. So he's not repeating himself. At all applicable, like, is anybody going to use any of this technology to tell their stories? It's hard for anybody to get $500 million from Disney to make these movies.

So at this scale, I think it will be a challenge. But, like, to me, the Nolans and the Villeneuve's are in the tradition of Cameron. Sure. Which is, like, we can go really big. And we really are trying to do something new. If you want me to be honest, here's what I think, is that so many of these stories that are essentially creating. fantasy mythologies.

It really is, it's the buffet, and you pick which one tastes good to you. This one doesn't, for me, but I have ones that you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

What's an example of that? I probably was more into Thrones than you. Yeah. I liked it, though. Yeah. Like, I definitely wasn't like,

I'm not watching that. I was in an hour. Fair enough. I'm genuinely curious because it's not so far a field from stuff that you like, which is why I find it so interesting.

And even Amanda, who's very skeptical of this stuff historically, is like, I find things to like in the Avatar movies. Sure. Well, I found things to like in this. In the first, too. In the first, yeah, yeah. You'll be less high on the third one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Spoiler alert. Embargo broken. The embargo is broken. So, is this a social reaction? We're being social. Yeah. Yeah. If they find that three hours into this podcast,

you've expressed some doubts about the third Avatar movie, I think. I think they're going to be okay with that. There's some doubts too, but there's things I loved about it as well. Okay, so now he's saved his dad for the 45th time. All right, oh, I want to see this scene. And he deployed his...

Do you think James Cameron's time would be better spend making Predator Badlands? Fire in the background, that's foreshadowing. Yeah. Nicely done. you're a real James Wood Okay, so his He's gonna ride that horseway, bro

He's torn Hmm He's not that torn There he goes Yeah Painful He's chosen the Navi More echoes of one battle

Right He's my real father He's betrayed them twice now Yeah You think a lot of people or like, I'm listening to all three hours and 12 minutes of this podcast. Well, you know, we're sundowning a little bit here. It's okay.

Are we? I feel ready to go. I'll do another one. Don't you think that? I'll do the first avatar right now. I think if people listen to two hours in, they went the whole way through. For sure. What do you think they're doing right now?

Two hours in a minute. I don't understand how people listen to this podcast. People go running. People watch it on their screens. People, you know, I don't know what the children are up to. I'm grateful. Long-haul truckers? Yeah.

Long-haul truckers? bringing American goods. You think a lot of long-haul truckers are checking out big pick? I'm sure. James Cameron was a long-haul trucker before, yeah, and then checked out all the books from me.

Did he tell him I saved my dad, by the way? He did not communicate that. Conveniently left that up. A son for a son. This is heavy shit, man. Yeah. I feel like you're laying it on a little thick with me right now. Oh, good.

Now they're singing. What do you mean? I don't understand what you're saying. You're missing the sincerity bone. No, that's not true at all. You got to bring it in. That's not true. It's not all lioness.

I want to masturbate to Zohsildana stuff. It can't be all that. It can't be this post-ironic Gen X. No fucking way, dude. I'm like, I'm out of you crying at Andor. You just don't know. You don't know about the revolution. It's like, oh, it's actually Marxist, but Disney produced it.

You know, no, man. What about being like, fuck? Parents and their kids. This is deep shit. Is this a funeral? For the older, the son that got killed, right? I guess so. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a ceremony. Okay. We're getting back to the failures of the father.

Yep. I think I changed my mind. I want to, when I die, I want to go out like the boyfriend in Midsamar in the bear suit. In the bear suit? Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. That seems good. Not the old people off the club. When you go out, we're going to do a giant, um, kind of pontoon barge of tubers in a lake in Tennessee. And what do you want to do? Just to celebrate Amanda with beers. What beer do you want us to drink at your Viking funeral? Natty Light.

I found some really good ones at the beer store on Thanksgiving. Are they all IPAs though? They're like 9%. They had good names and stuff and I almost sent you a bunch. But then I was like, you don't really need an update from this freezing cold beer store on Thanksgiving morning. Always, like, squirrel master's machete. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The hopsecutioner is still the best one. The best one. It's a very cute little baby. We're lion kinging now. How do you think you do with a tail, Chris? Okay. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

I had a cat with no tail. Whoa. And I think it's better to have a tail if you're among tail people. Right. It means better to have a tail. Yeah, my cat kind of looks like a rabbit. Did you feel? Did you ever feel like an outsider in your life?

Sure, man. Yeah. Did you? Yeah. When was that? Like right now? No, I'm curious. No, I mean right now.

This is really weird. You crying about Avatar. But they're shaking hands. It's not what I thought was going to happen. I didn't cry. Don't say that. Okay. What happened to Piacan?

He's around. Creation tree? Oh, yeah. He helped smash the boat. Creation tree. Spirit tree. Spirit tree. That's Piacon.

Okay. I was just like, where is? Yeah. I just, you know, he disappeared from the narrative for a good 45 minutes there. Okay. So they can connect to the spirit tree because it doesn't give them a seizure. She's dialing in and what's she going to get. Yeah.

Yeah. It's Black Friday. Okay. She's getting into deals. Cyper Monday. She's signing up She's logging Oh my God

You can't even believe How much physical media I got on Black Friday That's nice Insane insane Insane halls Did you get caught me anything I have some stuff at home for you

I have some stuff in home for you I have some stuff Did I tell you what I did For the unboxing boy gimmick No I'll tell you when we're done It's going up over the weekend Okay

So now they're in the past Or in the future Or in the spirit They're in the present time Is it a She connected to the spirit tree They're reconnecting with their child

Oh, and now he can be nice Instead of giving him a fucking hard time You learn how to fish Come on, CR This is real shit What if you could go to the spirit world And reconnect with your dead child This is fucking crazy stuff, man

What does that matter? You're a kid, you were a kid once? Yeah, I know, I know You're a living feeling person Yeah Yeah That's very beautiful Are there, like, limitations

to the number of time you can go to the Spiritry? That's a great question, Amanda. Yeah, it's like a ticket situation when you go to a carnival and you need to run out of tickets. But even so, it's like with any drugs?

Did you see Eternity? I did. You can actually, they have tickets at the... I have many notes about eternity. I have so many thoughts in it. Is it doing well?

It's very limited reviews. Yeah. I think everyone should see it. I think it's a catastrophic failure with some interesting things in it. I think that it was a very, fun premise and for the first hour or 45 minutes I was like I'm having

fun and then they can't really I think Miles Teller might be more interested in golfing than being in movies he to his credit in the movie eternity which is this is the end of Avatar the Way of Water by the way yeah wait wait what ends is a similar fashion to set up fire and ash um

just that there's thing connected to the world but he doesn't know Stephen Lang still lurks he doesn't know that would that will become very clear here we see oh man jacked fucking whales oh great and the weekend song over the credits. That was, we laughed so hard when I was

revealed. That's really, really funny. That was great. That song has just disappeared to time. Yeah. Okay, so you didn't like eternity. I liked Miles Teller was like, I'm just playing a grouchy old Jewish guy from New York.

Which is not really in his historical skill sure. And he was like doing the accent, pretty good accent. Is he a grouchy old Jewish guy who has now been re- Like, he's an older guy who then And then he goes back to himself at his happiest time. James Cameron gives himself editing credit in this. He edits these films.

Okay. But he didn't give himself credit. But he's like chopping. He's cutting the movie. Okay. You don't scoff when Steven Soderberg does it. That's true, Sean. That's true.

I'm so disappointed. Did you think I was going to have like a road to Damascus moment with these movies? I thought, you know, your heart is different than mine. this was better than I thought it was going to be action sequences some of them you don't have to say that you don't it's done now is it any different than you thought it would be not really not really okay

and would you that's a cool fish monosaurus would I go see the third one no I know you're not going to do that I wasn't planning on it but I feel like I should probably experience one of these movies on a big screen My gut tells me there will not be a four and five. My gut also tells me that the movie will make significantly less than... The new one will make significantly less than this.

So this made two bill? 2.3. I think you're correct. I think it's less of a novelty now. I don't know that the word of mouth is that great. I don't think it's going to be nearly as strong as it was for this one. It's three hours and 17 minutes. And Cameron is already shopping like the other projects he wants.

to do besides Avatar 4 and 5. Exactly. Apparently that was all a stunt to get Disney to pay for the fourth movie. Okay, well. Like his tactic is

here's some other stuff I was threatening to do other stuff. Okay, all right. You may also like Avatar. I don't know. You may. You may not. We usually talk through

the entire credits. Okay. It's maybe quite long. Where are you, you have a dinner date? No. Original avatar themes composed by James Warner.

I have some stuff to watch tonight. What do you have to watch? Pluribus. Okay. New Pluribus? out? We're recording tomorrow for later in the week.

I was going to watch the finale of the chair company. I haven't seen that yet. And I was going to watch Blue Moon. Oh, yeah. It's wonderful. That's a lovely movie. A lovely film. Yeah. I watched New Veil Vogue the other day.

What did you think of that? I thought it was very charming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. I mean, it's like, it's just very, there's a cognitive dissonance. between a movie that is very sweet and straightforward that is about a movie that was so formally groundbreaking. Yes, yeah.

But I think maybe that's the only way you could have done that. And I just love the linklators. Like, I'm obsessed with art and artists and I want to tell the stories. I like that, too. It's unique to find a film with zero dramatic tension. Right. Mm-hmm.

What is the dramatic tension of New Velvog? That doesn't mean that every movie has to have dramatic tension, but it's unusual to find a movie from a big studio. If anything, I think it's also supposed to be like a pamphlet about those filmmakers and introducing people

to like 30 people from that era. But, well, I think we learned a lot today. I mean, I think we did well, considering the link. Yeah. I followed along with what was going on. Yeah, it's a fairly straightforward.

I think it would have been helpful to see this before. Avatar, Fire, and Ash, you know? Fully agree, however, and I'm saving this for way at the end. Yeah. Avatar 3 repeats many of the beats of Avatar 2. Structurally, you're actually like seen both. Both.

Okay. In a way that is somewhat confusing. So there's just like another part of Pandora that's on fire, but like on purpose. No, it's not that at all. I don't want to spoil anything. Just like literally like the framework of like battles and how the sequences are being set up and things that transpire. Now, do you think that that's

because it's conceived as like a third and five? Or do you think it's because this is the game engine and this is what we're inside of? I said this earlier. It's come out that he wrote two and three together and then split them up. And so it's kind of a similar to Wicked and Wicked for Good. We're

you know, like splitting up Wicked and Wicked for Good made Wicked for Good so much worse. Which is apparently Craig Mason's idea. Yes. Yes. Okay. Which was terrific for the movie studio and terrible for film gores. That movie's going to end up making like $200 million

less than the previous movie. That never happens. Is it really? Yeah. It's going to make like $620 million or something. People are not psyched about it. They really don't like it. It's too bad.

So I think because they were written together, it was kind of like the repetition of the beats was part of the original intention of the one story. And then you split it up and you're like, so I just watched Way of Water to get ready for Fire and Ash. And then I watched Fire and Ash. And I was like, wow. Same movie.

This also features a scene with whales and ships. And you're like, we just saw that in the last movie. So it doesn't have that same novelty like you're saying, Amanda. But there's still some sequences that are incredible. The song chord. By Zoe Saldania. All right. Did you know she sings a song on the soundtrack?

I didn't, but she sings in Amelia, right? Amelia Perez, yeah. I did see that. Was that number one on your list last year? Where was that? Number three. I can't remember what my top five was last year. Yeah, what was it?

Number one was Civil War. I'll never forget. Oh, yeah. That was the best thing you've ever done. Yeah. So proud of you. What was... I'm worried that my top five is too chalky this year.

I think mine is like... Unsurprising. So I've got like... I have an Amanda twist, but I'm not like... Also, it's like, I don't see you in person enough and you really throw me off now. So like, what I was like, what about this?

Is this your top five? And you were like, Nope. I was like, what, like, who's he become? What's going on? Who's he become? Yeah. And now you're, you're, you're, you're tearing up over the death of a Navi boy, you know? But you might not put weapons in your top five. Have I ever made it seem like I don't love stories? I love a story. Sure. My whole life is getting invested in stories. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's what it's all about. Yeah, man. It's letting someone take us Are you crying or is it just the lights?

Are you just really tired? No. I'm wide awake. I'm deeply engaged. My eyes are open and I see you both. What's happening? Are you method acting? No.

Okay. Because I don't have weapons in my top five. So it's not going to be in your top five? At the moment, it's not in my top five. You're surprised to hear that? I just thought you were my disgusting brother and we were like... Right now weapons is number seven on my list. Okay.

Is it like, is it on letterbox? Is it available? Can I just go look? No, it's on letterbox, but it is private. Okay. It will stay private until I've seen all the movies from this year. Okay. That's the discipline.

That's what I do every year. I don't know if it's the right way to do it, but it's what I do. I have to watch, you know, eight hours of television drama series. You've got some good ones this year, I feel like. My choices? No, like TV shows. I feel like this was better than last year. Oh, this was the top of the top for TV this year is among the best of the

decade at least. What were they? Plerbous, task, adolescence. Yeah, I mean, Andor, the Pitt. Was Andor this year? Yeah. The Pitt, yeah. Good year. Yeah.

That's cool. Lowdown. Yeah, I still haven't seen that. I'd like to watch that. Yeah, you'd really like it. I know. My guys are on it. Stories. I love a story.

Yeah. You don't like stories? I do, and what I really like is when... She likes political journalism. Right. What I like is when people identify themselves as storytellers, you know, and then misquote Joan Diddyan in order to justify their political careers or lack thereof.

No spoiling for Beast and Me, but Claire Danes basically says we tell ourselves stories in order to live. I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. Listen. I don't, that's not what I want someone to tell me a story. Okay. Yeah.

You should say that to Alice. And she's like, Dad, read me a story. You're like, tell me a story. She will. That's something she can do. That's amazing. It is amazing. I brought my whole heart to this podcast.

I want to say thank you to both of you for doing this entire three hours and 15 minute recording. You're so welcome, Sean. Thank you to our producer, Jack Sanders. Yeah. For engineering and navigating this tricky situation. I want to say thank you to the listeners

for spending all this time with us. This is definitely the most popular episode in the history of this show as soon as it's published. It'll probably do numbers. You think so? Not like wicked numbers, but it'll do numbers. Okay.

I want to say that later this week, we shall return with Adam Neiman, and we'll talk about our top five favorite films of 2025. We sure will. On Gladys voters, stay in line. You're revealing titles. Just saying, while you turn your back. So weapons, Blackphone 2. The Gorge.

Materialist. You've already given away four or five. Ballerina. Okay. Okay, we'll see you then.