The Big Picture - The ‘Dark Knight Rises’ Watch-Along

Episode Date: March 7, 2023

It’s time to wonder what will break first—your spirit … or your body. Chris Ryan joins Sean and Amanda to watch and discuss the final chapter in Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy. The movie is now available on HBO Max, so you can stream along with 'The Big Picture.' Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are coming to you live to tape to watch The Dark Knight Rises, the concluding chapter in Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. And we want you to watch along with us. Why are we doing this right now? Maybe it's because this 11-year-old film speaks to these times. Or maybe it's just because doing the Bane voice is a lot of fun.

If you want to literally watch along with us, you can stream it right now and listen along. The movie is available on HBO Max to stream and of course available to rent on Apple, Amazon, Vudu, Google Play, YouTube, wherever you rent your movies. I'm also willing to bet that many of the people listening to this show own this movie

as they own a lot of the Nolan films. So when I count us down to begin the movie, guys, join along, press play when we reach the end of the countdown. If you prefer not to watch along and just listen, you can do that too. Then you're insane. We think that is psychotic behavior here on this podcast. Okay, here we go. We're going to count down.

You guys ready? Incredibly ready. That was very official. I'd like to just talk for a little bit about the CIA's movements through the 20th century. Okay, here we go. Is this a preamble? No? Five, four, three, two, one.

All right. Here we are seeing the famed Warner Brothers logo. Chris, you've been living on the Warner's lot for several decades. Just in an RV, yeah. Why are we doing this movie? Aside from the fact that I dared you. I think that's the only reason. It was like minute 75 of the Plane Trash podcast.

That's right. And you just, you threw it down. Oh, because we were talking about, is the first 10 minutes of this movie Plane Trash? Sky Trash. Okay. Yeah. What do you think?

I did not do any preparation for this podcast, so I have no memory of the first 10 minutes. I'll let you know. So you don't even know if there's a plane in this movie. Before we started recording, there is a still of Marian Cotillard on the screen. And I was like, oh, she's in this? I love her.

So it's going to be a journey. You're very well suited to this podcast then. We just saw a DC Comics logo here at the outset. Remember Simpler Days? This is before Jim and Pete got involved. Yeah. Well, Nolan was going to do what James Gunn is doing

where he oversaw Superman, the first one, right? Didn't he handpick Zack Snyder to make the Superman? Yeah. And that first trailer is very Nolan-y.

Here we're seeing the funeral for Harvey Dent, aka Two-Face, who met his untimely demise at the conclusion of The Dark Knight. Yeah, at the hands of the Joker. Portrayed by one of Chris's favorite actors, Aaron Eckhart. It's not actually a lie.

I know. Yeah, he's probably top 50 for me. You went on Eckhart, Amanda? Okay, wait, so now... I really don't like Two-Face. I mean, it was effective makeup, but it grossed me out. Also, you know, that's like the fourth ending of that movie. And I like the first two endings of that movie. Here we see Aiden Gillen portraying one of the most important characters in the Dark Knight series.

Doing what most CIA agents do, which is introduce themselves as CIA. I think that pretty much rules him out from getting his star on the wall at Langley. As if you go around being like, I'm CIA. Hi, guys. So there's a masked man here who is meeting up with CIA and they're going to get on a plane. What I love to do

is get on planes with criminals. This is a tried and true tactic. We saw this recently in the film Plane, which was the inspiration for the Sky Trash episode. This begins what will be like a two and a half hour conversation

among the three of us, which is where in the world is this? This plane sequence seems to take place in Ireland, but I'm talking over one of my favorite interactions in cinema history, which is Aidan Gillen's struggle American accent

as he threatens to throw hostages out of a plane unless they reveal where Bane is. Bane, are you familiar with Bane? I've heard of him. I've heard Chris do a voice. I was Googling Aiden Gillen to figure out, is he on the Olivia Colman Broadchurch?

I can't remember if he was in Broadchurch. He's in... Well, he's best known as Littlefinger from Game of Thrones. I mean, I do know that. Mayor Karketty. Who isn't on Broadchurch? David Tennant? Yes. No, a different person.

It's fine. First instance of Bane voice here. That's a very important quote to me. The problem with the watch-alongs are I just want to watch this movie, and there's a part of me that doesn't want to talk over Bane. Well, while we're doing that, can I ask you something? Yeah. When are you going to start wearing light blue polos tucked into cargo pants? I'm super close. Yeah. Like I'm really not far from that at all because my life is just about utility, managing a child, and I just need a lot of pockets for things. Yeah. And also, I'm becoming a little daddish like Gillen is in this movie,

so I'm getting close. The thing with Bane is he's a super strong genius who has to wear a mask to breathe. That's an incredible character. Is that true? He has to wear the mask to breathe? I believe so.

So, you know, famously, the first seven minutes of this film was played before a number of films as like a sort of preview yeah six to twelve months before this movie was released and i believe when they showed that clip tom hardy was completely unintelligible yes that was the could not understand talk coming out of it and then they had to go back and correct it. Just here we go. Oh my God. This is Nolan at his best.

Bobby, take us back. How old were you when this movie came out? What year was this? 2012. 2012? 16? Wow. Okay.

I think this is the first movie that I drove myself to. Did you go on opening night? If it wasn't opening night, it was close. What mall did you see The Dark Knight Rises at? The Oxford Valley Mall. Okay. The Regal Theater. That was my local mall. I went there every weekend in seventh grade, every single weekend.

Yeah. Even if I wasn't going to see a new movie, I just went there and hung out. This is the sickest thing I've ever seen. What was Bane's plan here? Was it to... He's going to stage a plane crash so that people don't know Dr. Pavel is alive. But he's on the plane.

Yeah, but they're about to do a little midair move here. But it sounds like this was his plan. It seems like it's going to plan. But look at what he's doing. He could very easily fly out of this plane. Well. He's not even wearing a chute right now. Part of Bane's appeal is that he's willing to do what others aren't.

Oh, dear. And see, they're putting in these other dead bodies. They're going to do a blood transfusion. Yep. Yep. This is high action intensity filmmaking. Why are they doing a blood transfusion? So that they think Dr. Pavel is dead.

Okay. That's Dr. Pavel. He's a nuclear scientist, I think. So this is so Bane can acquire the bomb building techniques that he will deploy later in the film? Yeah. On the Steeler Stadium.

This is just a tremendously complicated plan he has. I just don't... The blood transfusion... Expect one of us in the wreckage, brother! Would you do this to me? Yeah, definitely. You would make me be the wreckage? I mean, don't you think you're Bane?

So, what we just heard is Bane say the fire rises, which is, I think, the first indication that this is a revolutionary figure this is not just a crazed guy who's trying to take over the world he's got he's got the makings of a I don't know what is he like Francisco Franco like who who who is he in a mold of Bane yeah he's an anarchist is that what he's after he wants to just everything to burn and he wants the world to run without rules? I think so

I thought he wants to empower people Is that not true? I don't know yet We're only seven minutes in I'm watching a movie But that's not the point of this exercise How does his oxygen mask work? Is he connected to the tank?

Sounds like it's time for Amanda's Science Corner Well, I didn't see anything So the mask supplies him with an analgesic gas to relieve pain he suffers from an injury sustained early in his story. Oh, so it's pain medication.

So he's just like hopped up on... You'll see later when we get a flashback to Kid Bane. So he can breathe. He just chooses to be high on his pain meds all the time.

He needs to be relieved of the pain, yes. Okay. We had a quick shot here of a bridge in Gotham. People who've seen The Dark Knight may know most of the bridges were blown up in Dark Knight, which I think was a tough beat

for the Robert Moses crowd out there watching. I hate to see it. When you're interested in the city works, you just really hate to see the local monuments destroyed. How do you think they got um food into into gotham after that like how'd they get supplies choppers oh cool boats boats boats yeah yeah that's right gotham has a harbor yeah doesn't it chris have you read the power broker i haven't i've never actually read any robert carroll i am you've commented on him numerous times yeah do you guys want to know what i'm reading now

sure east of eden oh wow steinbeck how's it going it's incredible oh my god that's a real i saw the movie i don't need to read the book situation for me for you yeah i never saw the movie okay so the book is killing it right now and hathaway just showed up for like two seconds while you guys were talking about Steinbeck. Just so you know. She's got like a big scene coming up. Why did they have to do the flashback?

I don't like. Flashing back to Two-Face. It's gross. You know, Gary Oldman, Academy Award winner is in this film. Yeah. He plays Commissioner Gordon. Chris, I finished Slow Horses season two. Did you like it?

I did like it. I'm a fan of the Slow Horses franchise. Me too. They're just cranking them out too. Yeah. Let's go around the room real quick. Gary Oldman Networth. No Googling.

He's been in Harry Potter. He's been in Dark Knight. He's been in... He doesn't have points on the package though. Yeah, but like it's a solid check. And he works a lot. I think we should split it

into two categories. Like when you go to Spotrack and it's like career earnings for the NBA but then you don't have endorsements there because like I feel like my guy is in the market.

Like he's definitely in some complicated markets. So I think career movie earnings You think he's investing a lot? There she is. North of 50 million in a half way.

Yeah, so she's undercover right now? In a manner of speaking. She's working at Wayne Manor, I guess. So $50 million from the movies, maybe $60 million from the movies, but I think $150 million for the outside investments.

Okay. He's got a lot of money in like Bangalore. Gotham Bridges. Yeah. What do you think, Amanda? Over more than $210 million? I assumed that the franchise regularity indicated some sort of debt, whether it's gambling, whether it's-

So you think net? You know, houses? Net negative. I don't know. Why is he signing up for all of these? Maybe it's just sending kids to college, that sort of thing. I think like all of us, he likes stories. Sure.

Yeah, of course. I think he's under 100 million. I do too. So Catwoman is delivering dinner to Bruce Wayne right now. We don't know she's Catwoman yet. I know that. Momentarily, we will see her cat-like reflexes. Okay.

This is an important moment. Ben Mendelsohn is on screen drinking scotch, which is one of my favorite things that can happen in a movie. And he's having a conversation with Marion Cotillard. A lot of Academy Award winners and nominees in this film. They all look really good. You know, people show up in Nolan movies, they tend to look pretty great. He's got great costumes.

Can never underestimate a costume in a Nolan movie. Can I ask a question about how The Dark Knight ended? Sure. Yeah. Gary Oldman, pro or con? He's Commissioner Gordon, and he's pro. Right. But they're now starting to plant seeds

that he's a wartime commissioner, and it's his time now. Okay, got it. And he has a tenuous but essential relationship to Batman. Right. I couldn't really remember what's going on. Also, with the rampant corruption in gotham it's hard to have that role for so long without being accused of being corrupt that's

right misinformation that's disinfo so you think he's clean i think gotham works great oh what's for dinner gotham chamber of commerce over here we're all we're already on the right on the line of me making jokes do you you think Eric Adams could clean up Gotham? Oh boy. Had to do it to you guys. There's a real strong Blue Lives Matter energy in Gotham. There's no doubt about that.

This guy's just doing archery. A sick meet key. Yeah. When I shot an arrow within an inch of my girl. I'm just going to put this out here right now. Yeah. There's a really strong case for me

for Anne Hathaway as the best Catwoman. Now, everyone will say it's Michelle Pfeiffer who is iconic in Batman Returns. And frankly, Zoe Kravitz was wonderful in the Batman. But I think Eileen Hathaway. Can I ask you a bigger question? What could be bigger than what I just said? Are you sure Catwoman is a cool character?

And I don't mean that in a misogynistic way i just i just mean i don't think cats i don't think of them as like avatars for superhero okay amanda you're you hold the keys to the dc canon what do you think i i'm not a huge cat person but that seems to be overlooking some of their nice qualities. Well, they're durable. Yeah, many lives, for one. They can jump from surface to surface. Why do they get stuck in trees so often?

They're not as smart as you think they are. Is there a scientific reason behind this? Like they can't climb down or something? Social intelligence, and then also they just mind their own business which I appreciate.

What do you think Christian Bale's first draft of like what an isolated agoraphobic Bruce Wayne would look like

was? Do you think he was like hey Chris I'm gonna go full I think he wanted to stay in character from the machinist all the way through the Batman films

or Rescue Dawn 88 pounds Catwoman just got in a car with someone who was it we'll find out soon unfortunately I was looking in Chris's eyes I'm really confused about how much of this movie you're spoiling for me versus how much you're like I'm gonna tell it later

I'm only spoiling it like 10 seconds ahead and that's just because I have a photographic memory for this film which I've seen 10 times. Speaking of Academy Award winners, here's Alfred played by the great Michael Caine. You're a big Michael Caine person. Of course. You love Michael Caine. Yeah.

And I especially like him in Christopher Nolan films. JGL. Yeah. Oh, shit. I forgot he was in this. I just watched 10 Things I Hate About You yesterday on the plane. A classic. All-time plane movie.

He did a really good job on Poker Face. It was such a good episode. Wow. That was a great episode. Damn it, stop spoiling shit. He was one of the stars of an episode. Reunited with his guy, Rian Johnson. That was great.

Oh, that's nice. JGL, always good, I think, when he's either a shitheel or mysterious. When he's trying to be a winning leading man, not interested in that. I still think that Brick might be his best performance. He's very good in that he he and ryan johnson should just always work together they're great together so is jgl insinuating that gary oldman's up to some stuff he's suspicious okay he's also got a complicated relationship to the idea of batman as well as a police officer. Chris, if you could don the cape and cowl,

would you do it? Batman says I'm hanging it up. It's time for a new Batman. I want a guy. I want a ginger Batman. I want a guy with a new energy. Like a redheaded Batman? Yeah, yeah.

Middle-aged Batman. Yeah. I don't know. I kind of feel like I have a little bit more of a Robin vibe. No, just like ultimate sidekick. Chris, believe in yourself. No, but like Batman's not a happy person. That is true.

He's really messed up. You know what I mean? You know, I think- But also look at this sick library and he has Alfred bringing him green juice. It's a great point. The upside of living the Wayne lifestyle is huge. You live the Wayne lifestyle. Who, me?

Yeah. What are you talking about? You're essentially like, I'm in my ADU with my DVDs. We just talked about how I'm thinking about cargo pants. That is tough. Yeah. I think of the four of us,

Wags has the bat build. Like he could don the suit. I feel like if you got me like a six months worth of HGH, I could do it. Yeah. Yeah. Meaning you could battle the scarecrow in the street? I feel like if you got me like a six months worth of HGH, I could do it. Yeah. Meaning you could battle the scarecrow in the street? Yeah. Okay. I have a question that I've never really asked before. Why does he, why is his

cave inundated with water? It's a waterfall. I think it's because they're below ground. I think it's related to the sewer. Yes. That was my, that was my takeaway. So it fucking reeks in there. Yeah. It's a great observation.

The technology to recreate fingerprints and find all these people. So I think he's probably got some glade candles, some sort of filter. You think he's just got one incense stick for this entire fucking cave? Why do you think the Gotham newspaper was putting stories about burglaries on the front page? That's what they just showed us. Is that really

front page news in Gotham? A cat burglar? Well, if it was like the New York Times, would it be like, many people think burglary is bad, but what if it isn't?

This city just hosted the Joker's madness. Right. We know that shit goes wild. They also lost all their bridges, but maybe the bridges are doing good clicks.

That's a good point. It's all about traffic and the cat burglar. That really drives interest. Cat burglar, huge on TikTok. Huge. Christian Bale, good Batman? He's my favorite Batman. Amanda? Mine as well. I would say it's also the most time I've spent on Batman,

so I don't know whether that's a representative. But, you know, handsome, brooding, lots of toys, Michael Caine. Sure, I'm into it. But you're one of the biggest Michael Keaton fans I've ever met. I do like Michael Keaton, but I sort of like late-period Michael Keaton, you know? I think he's really aged biggest Michael Keaton fans I've ever met. I do like Michael Keaton, but I sort of like late period Michael Keaton, you know? I think he's really aged into Michael Keaton. Yeah. Yeah.

With the, you know, the blue button down and the sleeves rolled up and the sense of justice. Yep. Amanda horned up for 60-year-old men. And a Boston accent. Well, you know. We all have our taste. Did you guys watch that clip of Michael Keaton? I think it was during, I guess it was like the 2020 election,

where he's just on Instagram being like, Pennsylvania, we got this. Like, buzzer beater. It's our time. Go out and vote. It's incredible. It's still on Instagram. I just, that's the Michael Keaton that I love.

Do you think he swung it? Was he for Trump? No. Okay. I'm done with you. Alfred talking about fantasies that he has about Florence in Italy. He's just a man after my own heart. Well, as we know, he will discover his fantasy.

Don't spoil it. Wow. People have fucking seen this movie. I'm talking about Amanda. I actually do remember that last part, how they get there. You did see this, right? I saw it. I went to a screening.

Yeah. Statistically speaking, there are at least 500 to 1, there you did see this right i saw it i went to a screening yeah statistically speaking there are at least 500 to a thousand people listening to this right now who have never seen this movie so we're getting a moment here where uh john the character that joseph gordon levitt plays has discovered a underground community of unhoused Bane acolytes and they are being recruited out of orphanages. Yeah. I like to refer to them as the Bane boys. And we have a subreddit where we communicate about Bane's teachings.

And sometimes we drown. We're found by the police. Every once in a while when this is on cable and Bane is on, I will put in my airpods and listen to legendary boston hardcore band bane just as and i imagine you just get up to some weird shit named after the dc character bane or was it more like the bane of my existence is that like what bane i think it's i think it's the latter bane of my existence if i had to guess

it wasn't it was not a comic book I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of both I'm sorry did you say you put on music while watching movies sometimes yeah you do that Amanda

absolutely not I either watch the movie or I don't well no this was just a bit because I wanted to hear what Bane sounded like while Bane

you were basically like tick tocking but IRL there's also I think a rumor that Ryan Gosling is super into Bane sounded like Walt Bane. You wanted Bane on Bane? You were basically like TikToking, but IRL. There's also, I think, a rumor that Ryan Gosling is super into Bane and American Nightmare.

Did you start that? No, but it's on Twitter. Oh, you mean Bane the band, not Bane the character in this film that we're watching for some reason? Who's this guy again?

This is Berne Gorman. God, he's fucking good. He's a terrific character actor who I believe is in the employ of Ben Mendelsohn. He's a terrific character actor who I believe is in the employ of Ben Mendelsohn. He's now having a meeting with Selina Kyle,

soon to be Catwoman. God, Hathaway at this period. Just a knockout. Yeah. She's wearing a lot of like sexy work dresses. Yeah.

Like what women in the early 2000s thought was like a day-to-night look. If you were like reading in style. But let me tell you, it wasn't. She looks lovely.

Who do you think makes her costume in this sequence right here? You mean like what designer? It's like Zara, right? She's Selina Kyle. She's not caked up. She's the cat burglar. Yeah. Right.

Is that what you think caked up means? No. But in her life, I don't think she has like a steady income. I see. She has kind of Gary Oldman debt.

She's theft to theft. Yeah. Yeah. And here comes Juno Temple. Now a major star thanks to Ted Lasso, just a character actress

back then. This film is riddled with famous people. I guess Juno's character... Are they roommates? That's her normal citizen roommate. Yeah, so she has a roommate. She's not getting a fucking Alexander Wang dress,

right? Unless she boosts it. That was a great 2008 reference, Chris. She could be shopping the closets while she's also burgling. What was that? Intermix? Is that the thing where you...

So that was a store. It was a boutique where you could buy an Alexander Wang dress or similar. Just for a night, right? Oh, Rent the... What was the first version

of Rent the Runway, though? Was there something before Rent the Runway? Yeah, because my boss... I used to work at an ad agency and my boss used to be like... She would basically get like $10,000 worth of clothes for a night and then return them. because my boss I used to work at an ad agency and my boss used to be like she would basically get like a

$10,000 worth of clothes for a night and then return them. Okay. Was she just stealing clothes? Maybe that was sketchy. I don't know. You have had so many jobs.

Do you want to name that woman that you were just referring to? No. Okay. She was a nice woman though. I mean if someone would love lend me $10,000 of clothes for a night, I'm open to it.

Can I make a note about Hans Zimmer? One thing that the Nolan Batman films really nailed is... This is really good, Anne, by the way. Yeah, just a lot of screaming. Her pretending to be scared, it's dope. Yeah. Great actress. Also, just incredible tricep shots just there.

She really did the work. She had to be in good shape for Catwoman Yeah of course And that's a congressman Opaque tights really dating us But that's okay I guess they're not totally opaque Flat ironed hair This is really of a moment

Here we see JGL Pretending to be a police officer flat ironed hair. This is really of a moment. Here we see JGL pretending to be a police officer using the shoulder radio. Is the shoulder radio still in operation? Chris, since you were on the SWAT team. I think it's a lot more in-ear monitors now. I see. Yeah.

Okay. There's not a lot of backing of the blue going on in Gotham right now it's a complicated relationship this is a vigilante city this is a place that

celebrates does it celebrate Batman do we celebrate Batman enough no that's the whole point of the movie it's just like this

guy saved the city but he's looked at as like the scourge now that we're in this like anti-billionaire moment, what's the take on Bruce Wayne? Is Bruce Wayne like more of a Bezos? Feeling a lot of pressure. Bobby?

Seeing a lot of eyes. Yeah. Three sets of eyes looking at me. Why? It's not like we're billionaires. I can comment on this. Are you not a billionaire? No.

Oh, it's tough. He had to give Gary Oldman a loan, so he's now dipped underneath a billion dollars. Crippling desk. Yeah. I'm fucking floating old. So you're at, are you at 993 million? Where are you at?

Let us know. 992? I'm living check to check. Can I ask something that I missed? What is this establishment that is currently going up in flames? So Gary Oldman is underground with the SWAT team. Right, but they're

under... I think they were in Chris's Shrimp and Sports and then they had to move underground. Chris, please open a Shrimp and Sports. I would love it there. I don't know if honestly, I don't know if the market is right. For which part? The shrimp or the sports? I'm worried about shrimp

supply chain stuff. That's a great point. And yeah, there are a lot of like, you know, sustainability issues there as well. Sports we got plenty of. Okay.

I've always been in on the sports part of that pitch because I just want to walk into a bar and see Chris watching sports and be like, hey! Shrimp, I don't know. I know, but you could do like

coconut shrimp, tempura shrimp. Yeah, you sound like Bubba right now. Like Kiel and E-Trip, yeah. But I would be excited. But then we have dudes who are like, if they're allergic coconut shrimp, tempura shrimp. Yeah, you sound like Bubba right now. Like Kiel and E-Trip, yeah. But I would be excited. But then we have dudes who are like,

if they're allergic to shrimp, you're not coming into the shrimp and sports. That's right. That is true. So our friend Gary Oldman has been had. He's been kidnapped.

He's being dragged into Bane's lair. So did, what was Selena doing? What was Catwoman doing? She was making a transaction with sort of a crime titan's fingerprints for Daggett, essentially.

Okay, got it. And then Juno Temple got in the mix. Yeah, Daggett is... Here's where we get the Men's Health magazine. This guy is fucking jacked. So, Bobby, is this a bulk and cut situation what do you think

this looks more like just a bulk just a bulk just a bulk alright how is this actually Tom Hardy did you ever look at

Tom Hardy and think that he could do that to his body he might be my favorite actor is this this is like Academy Award worthy, right?

Yeah. I think this is underrated by far. It is. I think it is too. At worst, it's the funniest thing that's ever happened in a movie. Because 9 out of 10 actors would be like, cool, I'll play Bane, but I'm going to have an 8-pack. I'm going to be jacked.

And this guy's like... This is the problem with movies these days. Everybody is too cut. Yeah. It's not realistic. Nobody wants to look like that. It's not fun to look like that. You're cold all the time.

I have a strong take on this. Why are you cold all the time? Because you're in such a caloric deficit all the time to be that shredded. Keep your body fat that low that you can't hold heat. But Bane, he looks achievable. Commissioner Gordon escaped. You think you could do that, Bobby? I don't want to impugn anyone here but with some assistance

perhaps. Okay. No I could not do that. I know what that means. That means that something else is coming through his special

pain medication mask on the off season. So Bane just killed one of his guys because they brought the commissioner to his lair and he didn't want that.

Is this similar to how it works at the ringer actually where we just murder producers who make mistakes? Sean speaking of cargo pants. That's why I've never made a single mistake in an episode of The Big Picture. Did you clock how many different pockets are on Bane's pants right now?

I didn't, but it's got to be north of eight. It's a 12-pocket cargo, I would say. He's a military man, you know? Yeah. He has a lot of tools. And a very high waist. Yeah. Yeah.

That's how I wear my pants now that I'm 40. This police officer is really getting in the mix. Like, this guy needs to relax. He showed initiative, which is what I want from cops. Is it? Yeah. Just a strong show of force. Just go get her attitude.

Yeah, it's not great. I don't remember Wayne Manor, A, having this much light, natural light, and B, being this nice. I seem to remember it being more modernist. I'm enjoying the library. I seem to remember it being more modernist. I'm enjoying the library. I like the details, the carvings. I don't know. It's not Sean's style.

I know that it's not your style, but it's my style. My Batman has more of a sort of Nordic Japanese architectural influence. I would have said that that was what was going on with like Wayne Manor in one and two. This is generational wealth, right? We're talking going back to the 1800s. It is Walletson Hall in Nottinghamshire

in England. Is it Nottinghamshire where Nolan is from? Is it? I thought it was. Nottinghamshire. Is he a Forrest fan? Probably not.

I can't imagine Chris Nolan liking Forrest. Does he like sports? I bet he likes Chelsea. Yeah. Yeah, that checks out. Again, this cop is just in Wayne Manor?

Yeah. Talking to Bruce Wayne? He's delivering the news that Commissioner Gordon's been shot. I went to go search for Christopher Nolan to see his hometown

and my Google autofill filled in Christopher Nolan did he actually set off an atomic bomb? Which is the last thing that I looked up. Can I tell you something right now to your face? Never, ever answer that question.

To me. When I'm on podcasts, we operate under the illusion that that happened. I'm not going to answer the question. I'm fucking so hyped for Oppenheimer. Are you?

My guy Josh Peck is in that movie. That's your guy? That's just crazy that Josh Peck is in a nuclear bomb movie for Christopher Nolan? I think that they were just getting down to the bottom of the list of white male actors in Hollywood. It's Westminster. London. Oh, Westminster. Okay.

So what club is he in for? Isn't Westminster at London just like... Chelsea or Fulham, I think. You know, at Big Ben? Yeah. Was he just... Whatever. Where's your head at with Oppenheimer?

I'm really looking forward to it. Obviously, same day as Barbie. So we know where my allegiance lies, but that's the beauty of the movies is that you can go see both. Do you think for this show... Will you watch all the documentaries about nuclear

bombs that I'm going to watch in the preparation for that? Will you guys read The Passenger by Cormac McCarthy to get ready? I would like to. Is that about nuclear war? There's a bunch of nuclear war. I gave that to my dad for Christmas, but didn't read it myself. You guys know my dad and Cormac McCarthy. Big fan.

They're forever linked. Oh, yeah. This was an incredibly long visit without lawyer oversight to Wayne Manor. In real life, Bruce Wayne is not letting anyone in that house without 14 lawyers. How did he even get up the drive? Oh, this is Bane stuff John Daggett of course Is a Ben Mendelsohn character

Who's Not a good man And he's attempting A kind of Sort of a hostile takeover Of Wayne's enterprise Is this like his country house? And does he have a lot of sunscreen on right now?

I think this is Wayne Manor Okay He definitely is meant to look pallid Because he hasn't been going outside. Right. Because he's recovering from his injuries. Christian Bale loves to walk with a cane. What about the physical performance?

What are the injuries that he sustained at the beginning of this movie? I think it's a hangover from all of the battles with Two-Face. It's like time catching up to him? Yeah. And four years passed between The Dark Knight and this film.

Two years? Four years. Four years passed between The Dark Knight and this film. Two years? Four years. Four years in the world of... In our world. In this world, I'm not sure how much time has passed. This is a dope scene. Thomas Lennon.

Who's telling Bruce Wayne about his fucked up knees. He's like, you got Chris Paul knees. Those are Brandon Roy knees, I think. It's also, Batman has CTE in this.

Is that noted? Yeah, he's like, I think. It's also Batman has CTE in this. Is that noted? Yeah, he's like, you have brain scar tissue from CTE. He has gray matter? Okay. And so now he's wearing a ski mask and jumping out a window. Nolan loves to have people jump on strings. This is something he does all the time. Is it because we're all puppets?

I love it. Yeah. Thank you for reading into the text, not just at the text. Yeah, that's what I'm here for. You gotta go into the text. Okay. So we can better understand. Okay, oh, so he went to...

Jim Gordon's hospital room, but he didn't want to be seen by the cops guarding it. Got it. Chris, how many ski masks do you own? I was gonna say, I thought maybe... It seems like the kind of thing I might have bought during COVID

where I would like... You thought that would be... So you could rob banks? No, because remember when it was like early days and it was like, you know what, I'll just get this like

little like survivor buff that will keep me safe from this pervasive pandemic before we had like the N95 knowledge? I do like the idea of you buying a ski mask and thinking that that would protect you

from COVID and then going into stores not covering your nose and mouth. That's fantastic. Because people love when... Okay. So...

Anne Hathaway's intervening against a pickpocketing gun wrong? What's going on? These two are just doing petty crimes. Cool. Yeah, on men.

Did you ever dabble in shoplifting or pickpocketing, Amanda? No. I was too afraid of getting in trouble. No. No. That's not my... Too much anxiety. I was going to say, how do criminals handle the anxiety?

Yeah. What do they do with that? I don't know. I think they thrive on it. Yeah? I think they need it. You might might be right i produce enough on my own i don't i i don't i'm not capable of crime like that the only crime i make is uh okay masked ball yeah expectations a little normal shot action going here yeah kind of monologue in there sean just about your crimes oh boy i love her so beautiful i if if i could just like switch bodies with anyone or not even switch but just see this is the thing what i would look like i would look like mary really i think so

not only is she objectively a show she is in the jumpy woman hall of fame. That is really true. Yep. She's also in the steel beams hall of fame. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Her jumpiness

translates through that. By the way, I just want to say, I have a lot of thoughts about Cash Me If You Can rewatchables, but Chris just going out on a limb

for Elizabeth Banks, just jumpy blonde legend. Love that. You just stay true to your beliefs. I have to also just jump in here and tell you guys a little anecdote, which is that I recently watched an interview with Vincent Cassell,

where he is in Asterix with Marion Cotillard. And it's this long diatribe about cancel culture and how we're suppressing art and individuality. And then in it's just every other paragraph is another picture of vincent cassell as caesar from asterix and it is easily the funniest thing i've seen on the internet it's not intentional but it's like this poor man dressed up as a cartoon character and then just being like you know we need to let men express themselves sexually is just wild which part did you most closely relate to those images or that that those conversations that he was high for she's wearing cat ears guys yeah and there's she's cat woman this is when it was in the trailer when they were like uh this is gonna be a movie about bernie sanders what's up with masked balls i mean like even in like venice

in the 1500s or whatever, you could see who people were with the masks. Sounds like you've never been invited to one. I just... I'm just like... You throw parties. Why don't you throw a masked ball? I hate costumes, as you know. It's just a mask. It's not a costume. I know, but do you want to go find a mask?

Nobody's showing up as Mario. Then you show up as Mario. If you throw a masked costume ball, I will come as Bowser from Super Mario Bros. And I'll come as Bane. Okay. With no shirt on. Perfect. Great.

Okay. Bobby, you might have to fly back out for Amanda's. Bobby, you are absolutely invited to the masked costume ball or any other I think Princess Peach just to keep it in theme or maybe Selina Kyle it's crazy

this movie is insanely long it's like 2 hours and 44 minutes it moves so fast though does it? yeah like they're already dancing right? like it's just like, oh. Can I ask something else? Yeah. What is Marion Cotillard

doing in this movie? I have missed all context. I can't tell you that. Oh, we don't know yet? So she's just another beautiful woman. I mean, I can tell you that, but it would...

No, don't ruin it for me. No. Okay. I just meant like, what have we been told in the movie thus far? Why were they talking at the party?

She is an incredibly wealthy investor. She's the CEO of Wayne Enterprises at this point. Her name is Miranda Tate. Okay. And so she is in Wayne's life. Got it. In a professional capacity.

Okay. And she is, of course, a striking woman about town. So thematically, this is the introduction of this idea. So she's like the ultimate girl boss. Sort of. Yeah. Not coming on that strong okay

what were you gonna say oh just that the theme of haves and have nots is really being ratcheted up in this movie because you got the John character the Joseph Gordon-Levitt character is like from this orphanage he's like you're no longer funding my orphanage then you've got Bane on the horizon

and Catwoman is like you fucking rich guys let me tell you a storm is coming and when that was in the trailer i was like my guy chris has his fucking finger on the pulse yeah oh she just stole his car yeah there's like a lot of insinuations that this is some sort of occupy wall streetory, but it isn't because Occupy happened after the film was written. So then maybe it inspired Occupy. It's possible that they made some tweaks into production,

but I think they were literally shooting the movie when Occupy happened. So it certainly might have been something in the air in the sort of post-08, 09 crash that inspired some of Nolan, but it wasn't specifically Occupy.

And here we see Lucius Fox. Okay. Also one of the leaders, the executive leaders of Wayne Enterprises. Okay. And they're having some financial issues at Wayne Enterprises? Yeah.

All right. What is it that they do again? Wayne, they're diversified. But what do they make? Well, he's got a fusion project. Uh-huh. Because remember in the... Wait, is it this one?

Oh, an energy program with Miranda Tate. Is it this one or the second one where he's like... It's Dark Knight. There's the project where he can listen to every phone call and it's NSA stuff. Yeah. That's the Dark Knight. Right.

So in here, he's got like a fusion. Like they can provide energy, but I think he's worried about... It's a nuclear reactor that could power all of Gotham in theory but it could be easily adapted

into a big ass nuclear bomb. Sort of an Oppenheimer prequel. But also like a very pressing about our time where nuclear power is very much hotly debated.

Interesting. Have you spoken with Biden about this? No, me and Macron are just like always talking about do you think the storm that's coming in this movie

do you think that Anne Hathaway heard about that on JMO JMO's 2012 episodes were pretty raw what were we really on at that point

a lot of Carmelo Anthony talk is my fault that's right I had not leveled up I had not leveled up my audio yet and so it was just

being recorded on an iPhone memo. Yeah. iPhone 4. The joke of it is that Sierra and I did record a couple of test jamos

in 2011. Where are those tapes now? In your storage unit? No, they're with God. Okay. I think one of them was about Ridley Scott's Robin Hood.

Yep. That was good chat. That's cute. So we're really right back where we started. I want to have one of them was about Ridley Scott's Robin Hood. Yep. That was a good chat. That's cute. So we're really right back where we started. I want to have one of these warehouses where I have all my weapons. Okay. I thought you were going to say out your DVDs.

I mean, like you're on your way. But I mean, they are my weapons. How do I battle, you know? You at 50 is just like you in a sewer with all the DVDs around you looking at like the front page of the New York Times being like, why are they covering burglary? Imagine me surrounded by sewer filth, rock and glade candles, and Blu-rays of Paul Schrader movies. That's great. This is dope. I don't think the public knows that Wayne Enterprises is a weapons manufacturer, but to answer your guys' question from earlier,

I don't think that there would be a good vibe about Bruce Wayne in 2023. Bruce Wayne, I mean, he's a billionaire who makes tanks and nuclear reactors? Come on. I don't think that we're supposed to know that he makes tanks, though. I think that's just the movie showing us, but publicly. Is Batman doing physical therapy right now? He's trying to recover from his multiple injuries. Okay, so this is like sewer therapy? Yeah.

This is kind of what you dress like at the gym, right? Me? Yeah, black shorts, black t-shirt. Yeah, but I usually have cargo pants on. Cargo shorts. I wear that Alfred cardigan to the gym. Sweat it out. Do you think that this bat suit is

encased in glass so that it doesn't reek of human filth that is cascading all around him there's just like tons of excrement per second that are

flying all around this cave I gotta say as a homeowner the like in-ground storage I'm really into that I gotta get in.

We gotta start digging holes under my house. No basements in California. I know. It's tough. I've been thinking about moving to Portland, Oregon. And I don't know whether it was just the real estate agent that we worked with, but we saw a bunch of houses one weekend, and it was like, so much of the houses were the basement. It's very different from California.

When was this uh like late last fall and i was like oh cool like here's a living room and a kitchen where's the house and they're like welcome to the episode of mind hunter when you go down into this wood paneled like mildew hut always think of zodiac the scene in zodiac when they go down into the basement because it is the most terrifying thing and i grew grew up, I actually slept in the basement when I was growing up. My bedroom was in the basement. With the Zodiac killer? I feel safe in the darkness.

Yeah, well, he was me. But now I'm put off. What I mean more is like, how do I get a glass box that sinks into the ground that can hold all my shit? That's what I want. Okay. Can you help me with that? Yeah. This is huge for me.

This is fucking awesome. This is huge for me. We've now gone to Wall Street. Oh, right. Okay. Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell. It's Glenn.

We should have gotten him to come do this for us. I didn't know that he was in. Is that it? Is he coming back? You'll see him one more time. I'm so thrilled for him. I forgot he was in this movie. This is what I'm saying.

This movie has so many stars. You guys should have told me Glenn was in this. Juno Temple and Glenn Powell putting up putting up shots.

I've really bad mouth Nolan over the years, but got to say he's got a great eye for actors. Wow. Look at that shirt. What do we that's not a pinstripe.

What do we call that? That's kind of your dream, right? All the people are being looked over. It looks like Glenn Tower. It definitely is doing haves and have-nots

aggressively here. Oh, for sure. Ciara, in your time as a trader on the floor, does this look accurate to you? Oh, great. Oh, boy. Here it comes.

If Bane is the leader of this revolutionary movement, he has to do hand-to-hand combat? Well, this is the sort of comic book part of this movie where it's incredibly violent in this Michael Mann way, but there's very little bloodshed. Yeah. So, obviously, there is an active shooting going on here.

Yeah. But, like, there's no blood anywhere. Right. And they're mostly just shooting at the screens. Yeah. Yeah. They're taking out the economy, which is the true carnage. The real victim is the 401ks we left behind.

Oh, no. Oh, Glenn. There he is. Oh, no. Why did he decide to continue sitting up? Yeah. That's right, Glenn. Tell him, Glenn. Oh, dear. Oh, wow. yeah that's right tell him Glenn oh dear oh wow

that was great use of the oh dear why is he continuing to sit on the chair giving people brain injuries before asking them to do tasks we should use

we should use the roller chair in more fight choreography that was good is Bane wearing like a flame retardant suit he's wearing like a delivery retardant suit? He's wearing like a delivery uniform. Yeah, courier service.

But I think the problem is he's so bulked up underneath of it. Is Bane the guy who delivered all this audio equipment to your house for this recording? Yeah.

He dressed like that? No. No, I didn't meet that man unfortunately. Modine was super active on Twitter when we did

Vision Quest. I recall. He was not a fan. Yeah. I was rewatchable. He took issue with Ryan Russillo? I think he just didn't like our tone. Okay.

And the way we talked about Vision Quest, even though I think we were pretty warm towards that film. I seem to remember there being a sort of snafu over lat pulldowns. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Russillo, I think, was like, if you picked the guy who could do lat pulldowns the worst on set, you couldn't do worse than Modine. All right. Vision Quest, never seen it. What's it about? A guy who's a wrestler in a small Washington state town

who is trying to make something of his life. It's not a sci-fi movie? No. No, no. I don't know. Vision Quest sort of sounds like, you know, everyone... It's not a sci-fi movie? No. No, no. I don't know. Vision Quest sort of sounds like, you know, everyone... It's more spiritual.

Okay. You've asked Amanda so many times about vision with the diamond in his head. That's right. And now anytime she hears it, she just associates it with vision. Filmography-wise,

Dark Knight Inception, Dark Knight Rises, is that the order? Correct. And then Interstellar, Dunkirk, Tenet, Oppenheimer. That's right. What a king.

Just thinking about the evolution of his style. How has it evolved? Well, I think that nothing he has done since DKR... I think he's made a leap in a kind of formal way, and I'm trying to articulate what it is. I think once he was untethered from... kind of like formal way. And I'm trying to articulate what it is. There's, I think once he was like untethered from it's DC,

it's a big blockbuster. You can't show any blood, like whatever. Like I, it's not that his movies are gory, but they feel more realistic. Like Dunkirk obviously is much more horrifying than this movie. You know? Yeah.

I think, um, I think he's just really well suited to, uh, like a practical science and not an imaginary science. So that's where your interstellar problems come in. Yeah.

The sort of like philosophical science stuff, really, I have always had a hard time with. I mean, visually... Motherfucker can just do a chase though. As a visual filmmaker, he's like maybe literally the best. I mean, he might be the most kinetically exciting director that we have.

The sequence in The Dark Knight with the truck flipping over is maybe the number one. So they strapped a bunch of stock traders to the back of them. But not Glenn Powell. Crotch Rockets, yeah. Glenn Powell has CTE now as well. A concussion, yeah. What do you think of Matthew Modine, Amanda? I don't really very often.

I don't mean that in a rude way, but it's like, could I name another Matthew Modine film off the top of my head? No, even though I've seen like 18 of them. Full Metal Jacket. Pacific Heights. Right.

Of course. Full Metal Jacket. Ordinary People. Right. No, that's not him. That's Tim Hutton. See,

that's the problem. See, that's the issue. Memphis Belle. Yeah, he's in that. Sure. He's had quite a moment with Stranger Things.

That's true. Oh, when did he show up in Stranger Things that's true oh when did he show up in Stranger Things he's like no I don't want I don't want to know the answer to that he's like there from the jump yeah he's the big

big bad yeah yes he's like the monster that eats them oh it's the Batman woo what is that weapon

it's a taser is that what it does yeah oh okay it's like an electromagnetic field gun What is that weapon? It's a taser. Is that what it does? Yeah. Oh, okay. It's like an electromagnetic field gun. But he doesn't, like, kill guys. He just beats them into submission, right? Can I tell you, guys, I saw John Wick 4,

and there's a gun of some kind in John Wick 4 that is unlike anything I've ever seen in a movie. It creates a kind of violence that I've never seen before. Great. Can't wait. This is sick. I don't really like the... I've never seen before. Great. Can't wait. This is sick. I don't really like the... I've always thought that... No one cares.

The, what is it? The bat motorcycle? Bat cycle? Yeah. I've always thought it looked like it was going kind of slow here. Well, you know, when they film this stuff, all the vehicles are usually going between 20 and 30 miles an hour, and then they speed up the film.

You can't really shoot a sequence like this going 65 miles an hour and then they speed up the film. You can't really shoot a sequence like this going 65 miles an hour. The flat ironing, I mean, maybe this is a wig that has been flat ironed, but this is really... No, that looks like

strong, beautiful hair. It is beautiful, but you see the styling is very late 2000s. I know this movie is 2012, but it's like college, early 2000s. I know this movie is 2012, but it's like college, early 20s for me,

a time that I personally don't want to relive. I think the lost JMO recordings is what she was after there in the bank vault. I love when they're downloading something in movies and it tells you the exact amount

of time remaining as if that's how you download things. Just another Nolan note here. He just so effortlessly switched from the New York Stock Exchange to downtown Los Angeles for a nighttime car

car chase it was broad daylight like five seconds ago it's in keeping with the Gotham City is every city yeah but he moves so quickly you're not like why is it

dark now we as we will see it also is Pittsburgh yeah oh right dag the Steelers. Turns out the JMO tapes are not there. Real shame. I already put them in the cloud. One stroke of genius is naming Ben Mendelsohn's character Daggett,

which is just, you know that guy's going to be bad news. Isn't one letter away from dagger? It's not great. Okay. They're getting on the 110 here. I've taken this road. Every time I take this road, I'm like, I'm Batman. It's like every time I'm going to the crypto.com

arena. This is literally, this is right by the hospital where I gave birth, actually. It's like two streets over, so I had a different feeling when taking this ramp. Did you think about gaming your son, Bane? Yeah, I did. Oh, man.

It's a motherfucking dark night. Okay. I'll have to punch a guy in a motorcycle helmet. To take his iPad? Give me that iPad. This application is complete. So he was downloading. He was uploading a virus,

basically. Uploading a virus using not Wi-Fi. Yeah, well, you can get a Wi-Fi extender. 5G? Yeah. Those used to be a huge thing.

Yeah. Like to plug it into your laptop and you can get the internet in the park. What happened to that? It used to be a country. Well, now we just have phones. Yeah.

Or the park has wifi. Bad bike. I don't know. I'm not so sure. It has like the arm handle things like the, um, the Plato ship in Ant-Man. Oh yeah.

He'd had to put his whole forearm in it and was kind of like VR-ing it just then. Making the MCU DCU comps. You know, I'm just trying to heal and bring everyone together. Do you know Amanda is the most pro Ant-Man Quantumania fan in America? I'm not pro.

I just like you guys all sound like babies. Who does? You do. I do? Yeah. About Ant-Man? Yeah. Grow up.

That's not fair. You can't be like, I don't take these things seriously at all. Yes, I can. The thing is, you're just like, well, now the purple drawing looks bad. And it didn't make sense. Why are you so mad? I thought you liked my podcast. You sound like David Huddleston, the Big Lebowski.

Get a job, sir. Grow up. I just. Did you see that? I put up with so much bullshit for so many years. And now everyone's, yeah, I can't. Maybe what I should pivot to is concern trolling Nancy Meyers' $150 million budget. I'm really pissed at everyone because everyone bitches about like, oh, the VFX looks bad or, oh, they didn't spend enough money on all of this.

But what Nancy Meyers does costs money, you know? So she needs the extra time. If you can't tell the difference between $100 million spent on interiors and locations and $150 million, that's because you don't have taste. Have we ever seen a movie with $150 million spent on interior decoration? I don't know. Let's find out. Let's go boldly into the future. It's like the avatar of interior decor. Listen, inflation is real, okay? And she needs to film in a real house.

I have a theory about the Nancy Meyers film. Okay. I think the budget is $149 million to Michael Fassbender. Okay. And then $1 million to make the film. Okay. When are you going to start wearing turtlenecks more? I really wish I could pull it off. I just, as I like very, very slowly

enter a pear-shaped phase of my life, I will never wear clothing like that again. You're not pear-shaped. I am slowly... Have you seen a pear? I am slowly going in that direction. We're going to work on that. Me and Craig,

you going to help me bulk? Yeah. Oh my God. This is in too. The cutting is the problem. You have to bulk first. This is going to help me bulk? Yeah. Oh my God. This is in too. The cutting is the problem. You have to bulk first. This is going to be a real issue. Oh.

How many Oscars should Ben Mendelsohn have? He should have three just for Rogue One. Yeah. And what about for, what is he, a Krull? You remember how good he is in Killing Them Softly when he does heroin while heroin

is the song of the 21st century. What do you think Ben Mendelsohn thought of Blonde? The film. I didn't see Blonde. Is he in it?

No, but it's been by Andrew Dominick in Killing Them Softly. Blonde was so bad. Gosh. It was absolutely terrible. Didn't like a lot of actors just really respect it? Yeah, they't like a lot of actors just really

respect it yeah they were like wow it's so brave and i know farrell had his moment yeah anna you were amazing i cried yeah whatever she she was good it's not her fault that that is just one of the most reprehensible things ever put on cinema Ben Mendelsohn not the best at the American accent not the best at it it's pretty good in Mississippi Grind no I was gonna say

Place Beneath the Pines I don't even remember him in that movie even though I love that movie what are you talking about he's the guy who fucking introduces Ryan Gosling to bank robbing

oh yeah that's right wow when are we doing that on the rewatchables that movie fucking rips Place Beyond the Pines have you seen that Amanda of course I have oh my god is Ryan Gosling to bank robbing. Oh, yeah. That's right. Wow. When are we doing that on the rewatchables? That movie fucking rips. Place Beyond the... Have you seen that, Amanda?

Of course I have. Oh, my God. Another movie with, like, 10 future stars. Mahershala Ali with, like, four lines of dialogue in that movie. This is when this movie

kind of lost me. I was like, just like a bunch of armed militia members and they're just like, kick, kick. Yeah. I kicked you.

But Anne Hathaway practiced those kicks really hard. I love her. I love her too. I do think like some of her movement here is really inspired by like the, okay, so now you're a cat. You know, like theater class exercises. Andy was telling me this morning. Like swishing around.

That when he was in, when he was doing theater at school, they had like a whole program of like, you're an animal. Yeah. And like, move around this room as an animal

and he would be like, I'm like on this person's dorm room as a cat. Yeah. Right. Now be a lemur. Right.

Now be a big horned ram. Now you're an orange. Are you willing to commit to doing that for the last 30 minutes of this podcast? Oh, acting like a cat?

Yeah. We'll see. Let's see when the sushi gets here. What kind of vehicle is this that he just took off in? It's the bat copter. They have a copter now? No, it's the bat. No, it's the bat.

The bat copter. Did he just park that on the top of a building? No, I think that the bike goes into this and this is like an add-on i mean that's not really can we call it a helicopter if it doesn't have the propellers that's more like a hovercraft situation fusion yeah fusion yeah fusion jeez you weren't really paying attention when amanda was ripping on the watch and the big picture for caring about the vfx of ant-man i you know, candidly, I'm really with Amanda on this one. I think that the overreaction to the Quantumania thing

is super weird. But we're clearly on an island there. I'm just like, most of these movies have been bad for years. You're in the pocket of Big Jeff Loveless. Yeah, but you guys were just like crying.

No, I think it's like crying. Color in the lines. Crying. Chill out. Yeah, you guys cried for several hours on the watch. You babies.

Do you think that Bale and Hathaway have chemistry? You know, I do. Yeah, I think they do. I'm too focused on the fact that they spent millions of dollars on his suit and then hers looks like what you buy. Ricky's or whatever. I know. That's not fair to her.

They did her wrong. I always liked how they did it in Batman Returns where she sews her own suit and you see her sewing it. It makes sense because she's not a billionaire. This is like a seaplane hovercraft? Yeah. And then he just sprayed a bunch

of sewage into Alfred's aging face. I just don't... The sewage thing is definitely going to get thrown back at us. There's going to be a lot of Batman people who are like, actually they're under the river

or something. We're going to wear this. You think that Gotham has clean rivers? I don't know. You know? You don't think that pollution is part of the corruption?

Maybe it's just rainwater that is gathered. Do you want to have your special ADU cave with rainwater everywhere? That sounds nice. Really? Yeah. It's bad for the Blu-rays, though. You know, I was talking to a director who was telling me about the inspiration for a scene recently.

And he was like, I used to work with my dad who's a plumber. And his house had a water feature in it. And so ever since I was 14 years old working on this rich guy's water feature, I was like, I just want to make an incredible fight sequence with a rain with a water feature. And I just feel like filmmakers are like, we just got to get the water in the mix. You know, just like when I'm watching. Was this filmmaker Mark Duplass? It was. Yeah.

No, it was Claire Denis. Traits. Wow. Okay. These movies are always more complicated than they need to be. They are, but I rewatched The Batman recently, and it's not as complicated as that. That movie's pretty complicated that 30 seconds explained wall street better than the entire bernie madoff documentary

the four-part netflix the trades yeah they're doing trades and it's not good there's a code not good even even subconsciously do you feel that this film radicalized you in any way? Yeah definitely. Definitely. Yeah. They're doing trades. I love it. And they're coded. You're not Batman anymore. Why isn't he?

You have to find another way. But he was just Batman. He used to talk about finishing. That awful smelly cave. That's what he's chastising him for. Okay. He wants him to retire because he's past his prime.

Doesn't want him to die on the job. Right. Do you think Maggie Gyllenhaal has seen this movie? No. No. Even though her ghost lingers over the entire film?

Does it? Yeah. The reason he is the way he is is because of Rachel's death. Rachel! But that's not her taste. She did, this was the most incredible interview ever

in New York Magazine, I think, I don't know, like 2012. You'll know the year because she's like, they're buying cheese for the interview. That's the activity. And she like calls her mom. She's like, you know, I'm buying cheese for an interview, but actually I'm buying cheese. So what do you want? And then she talks about how she went to see, I think it was up in the air the night before. And she was like, yeah, you know, it was good.

She was like, it was trashy. It's not like an Almodovar film, but you know, it was good. And it's the most incredible quote ever. And so, no, I don't think that she sought this out. What do you think great actors really think of Christopher Nolan? I think that they're like, this guy is single-handedly keeping this business afloat. Interesting. By making Batman movies? No, by making the movies that he's making in totality over the course of his career.

Single-handedly. Do you think actors are like, really big movie actors are spending that much time being like, Christopher Nolan's long you know long term auteurist action career is saving cinema or are they just like he's giving me regular checks? No they're like what I really dug was the

VFX in Ant-Man when I was a kid dreaming of being fucking Tom Hanks what I really wanted to do was act against a tennis ball in Atlanta and pretend like a fucking one-eyed monster was true or false Nancy Meyers against a tennis ball in Atlanta and pretend like a fucking one-eyed monster was...

True or false, Nancy Meyers outbid Nolan for Fassbender services. Fassbender's like a Netflix actor now. Because he's in The Killer? And the Nancy Meyers thing.

Damn, that's actually quite sad. Needs to get him on the big screen where he belongs. Basically, you have the newspaper here. I love to just get the newspaper

when I'm in my manor and I wake up in the morning. I'm wearing my million-dollar robe and I look at the newspaper and I turn to the financial pages. Do you still read the physical newspaper? I receive it, but I don't read it. Did this movie come out before or after

the death of Bin Laden? No, because I'm trying to figure out where Twitter's at. Isn believe isn't 2012 zero dark 30 yeah so it's got to be after after yeah when are we doing the zero dark dark 30 uh it's a solo rewatch for you yeah yeah you can run that one yourself i'll run the audio for you though if you just want to talk by yourself you should get marotillard. She could sit with you on that one. Here she is. Perfect timing.

She's here, I think, to cut a deal with Lucius Fox who appears to be working out of a job site. Okay. Oh my goodness. But now they're going into the lair.

Are we not doing enough resetting and scene setting here? We're doing okay. Are we? I have no idea what's happening. I'd like to do that, but I also think it's so pedantic and kills the conversation. Okay, cool.

What do you think? Top five Marion Cotillard quotes about 9-11. That's actually the title of this pod. She's a bucket list interview for me. What would you talk about? What do you think? You would talk about the conspiracy to destroy this country? Yeah.

And democracy? Yeah. Okay. Okay, here's some more. That's not really your content. This is like, this is a different. I work with guys like Andy. They don't want to go there.

All right. Oh, my God. You're trying. You're trying. Well, I was just pointing out that we have another water feature in a second layer. Yeah. This looks like sewage. This looks like the LA River.

It looks like urine. You think that's a urine river? This looks like the LA River right now. I mean, it could be. Aren't all rivers sort of urine rivers? I love the script. Excited about the direction you're taking Batman. A urine river in the second act?

No, Miranda must greet Batman in a river of piss. I am saving cinema. This is the nuclear reactor that they have been spending billions of dollars on. Okay. So he's essentially trying to... Is it powered by urine?

How does this work? I do think it is powered by water. Okay. Oh, okay. So she... He just thinks that at this point

she's just a business associate who's going to get interested in this technology yeah and he's got to step away from wayne enterprises i think because of this financial malfeasance that's been uh propagated because of bane he's essentially talking her into being his like ally in this business fight that's going to happen and she she's joining the company now effectively i think she already was a member of the board, but now she's going to be made CEO. Oh, so she wasn't CEO before, but now... I don't think so.

Sean, what bad blockbuster did we watch recently where it's like people are developing an energy source, but then the energy is like evil and not ready. And so, and it's going to kill some people. So they got it. Does this ring a bell? So many of them. You guys just missed Senator Patrick Leahy. Oh, okay.

Was it literally him? What? Yeah. It's an incredible cameo. Okay. I don't remember, Amanda, but that is a very common structure. I know it's a common,

but there was a recent one where it's like, it's not ready. You're sure it wasn't quantumania your favorite movie of 2023 i'm sure that was about how ants have energy right it was yeah yeah amanda do you think you'll try to attempt some sort of miranda tate s coup where you take over as head of the ringer no just jmo here we go once again okay cop john No, just JMO. Here we go.

Once again. Okay. Cop John. Wayne. Oh, here we go. This is a very important scene. Amanda, pay close attention. There's a cherry blossom inside the house.

Okay. What are they doing with that? I think that looks beautiful. Are you sure that's a cherry blossom? Not totally sure. And there's maybe my favorite scene in this film. Oh, great. Okay. Speak of the devil and he shall appear. blossom not totally sure and there's maybe my favorite scene in this film oh great okay this is more your style of architecture sean it is too much like shininess he has a beautiful

red tree and so inside yeah i do like the red tree but i don't know is it not a cherry blossom i'm not sure i i wish i had more familiarity with... What's the name of the tree app? The flower app? Oh, Planta? Planta, yeah. That's one that my father-in-law has and really loves. Planta is lovely. We should get some Planta spawn going. Is Planta listening to the big picture right now?

Check into this. Do you feel in charge? Do you feel in charge? That's how I start every episode of the big picture. Fire up the mics. You know, honestly, that needs to go into the JMO theme song. Do you feel in charge? He's so captivating that I don't want to talk over him.

But I feel like in order to make this a legible podcast, we have to talk. Amanda, if you could take an Oscar away from anyone and give it to Tom Hardy for his role as Bane, who would you take it away from? There's so many people. Daniel Day-Lewis from My Left Foot. And I think Daniel Day-Lewis should have to give Hardy the Oscar like personally. I have been wanting to do the Oscar trades as an episode for a while

and couldn't figure out how to do it. But I do think that that's something we should do in the future. But we should only give them to Bane. Okay. Like Bane gets everyone's bad Oscar. Every single award. Okay. No, I will do it if we can also give... It can be Bane or Javier Bardem in Skyfall.

Okay. I'm down with that. Should we give him John Ford's third Oscar? Yes. I just, once again, don't think Bruce Wayne is getting in a cop car without, you know, several layers of legal protection. That's very reasonable. He does believe in the idea of law enforcement,

even though he feels that it's inadequate to handle the corruption of the city. Right, sure. Okay. Chris, you're right. I think that's natural strong hair. This is not the nicest apartment I've ever seen. No, that's the whole thing. She's down on her luck.

Selina Kyle needs to start breaking into more apartments. She's got a futon? Jesus. It's tough. Do they still make futons? Do they still make them? Yeah, like, has there been a more elegant, you know, idea about, like, how to turn a couch into a bed? I couldn't answer that question, but what I

do have is the CEO of Crate & Barrel here on the line with us. Steve? I'm going to be honest, that's a nice coat rack. Like, that coat rack does not line up financially with, like, the rest of what's going on maybe it's an external wardrobe there yes is that a nice piece of furniture it's nicer than most like coat rack or you know portable clothing racks

just feels like this is a lot of energy to be putting into three cops in gotham gary oldman matthew modine, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt. And Chris is like, this guy's saving cinema because we're asking this guy to deliver generic dialogue about being a cop. What the hell? Wait, so now you're back off of Nolan? It's really, it's a one-sided dance of death, you know? One day I'm alive, the next day i'm dead if you feel like you would give uh oppenheimer certified rotten you should let me host a counter programming big pick like that

goes up at the exact same time as your you know what he's not great he's not brave enough to certify it rotten you know like even if he doesn't like it, he knows. It was pretty good. Well, it's like cheerleader of cinema mode, you know? So, and that's funny. What is going on here? But if you don't like it and you're like,

I didn't think this would work, you have to let me have the pro Oppenheimer pod on your feed without you. Okay, there's a couple of things happening here. First of all, Amanda calling into question my integrity. How fucking dare you? You just got to be like, it's so good for movies, you know?

No, I don't got to do anything, but be myself. The story is thriving. Yeah. You know? One, you're wrong. Stop. Two, there's a lot of energy coming out of Chris about taking over as the host of the big picture.

I am going to stanch that wound right now. I didn't say that. It stops here. You host a 14 podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network. Bill tried to make it on the Purge pod that we did. He tried to be like, would you kill Sean during the Purge

and take over the big picture? And I was like, I would kill you. And I want you to know that I'm still your close friend and I would never do that to you. I love you both very much. That's beautiful. They were just looking

at a framed photograph of Maggie Gyllenhaal and are now making out. And she kind of looks like Maggie Gyllenhaal in this scene. She definitely does. He's got a type, man. Yeah.

And then, of course, Katie Holmes, who was Maggie Gyllenhaal. Right. I just want you to know. Oh, the lights just went out. The fringe lamp. Well, because he didn't pay his power bills. Oh, I thought it was like they cut the power right i just want you to know the lights just went out the the fringe lamp well because uh he

didn't pay his power bills oh i thought it was like they cut the power and now bane's coming in to just if you want to take over the big picture you don't have to kill sean i can be bought for much less than a murder so that was a hard cut away from their embrace to no sex yeah but when will we get to watch christ Bale fuck on screen? That's my question for you. It's dope that they're just like warming themselves by a fire. The old way, you know? The old way?

Yeah, the old way. You're just like stoked. Like with a bunch of rugs. Yeah. Yeah. Wrapped around, you know. She looks great. She's beautiful.

Okay, so they're running away she's just like you really don't know where this is going huh I I actually remember the very last scene okay

and I remember that there's something about the Steelers yeah there's something about the Steelers that's not the end though um yeah that's all I got people find out that they drafted Kenny Pickett and they blew the stadium up Yeah, there's something about the Steelers coming. That's not the end, though.

People find out that they drafted Kenny Pickett and they blew the stadium up. Yeah, Bane was like, his hands are too small! A real man doesn't wear gloves to throw and throw down. Okay. So did they rebuild the bridges, Chris? That's my question. If I had Christopher Nolan and I could have...

Maybe I'll do the Oppenheimer junket. just to be like did they rebuild the infrastructure program and gotham and how can we bring it here how did they rebuild the bridges when you say you'll do the oppenheimer junket you mean speak on behalf of christopher no i will stand in line with 89 other digital journalists and wait my turn to ask him a question that's all over zoom baby it's so painful i still do it i always do it it over Zoom, baby. It's so painful. I still do it. I always do it. It always winds up being like random.

I'll be like, oh yeah, sure. I'd love to have this person on the podcast. And then it's like, great, great, great. By the way, you're in the Zoom waiting room with like 90 other people. Yeah. Kate Winslet would love to do your show. You have to go to the urine river and stand there for three hours. And drink deep. And then we will let you speak with her for seven

minutes so are they on the same team now yes when did they get on the same team well it's complicated what did we watch it already enemy of my enemy is my friends okay she stripped him of all his money and now she's like you're more relatable because you're poor but they're both united in their so the trades that were coded were him being poor, impoverished. Put options on his own stock, I think. And so that's why the parrot was out. But there's a twist coming. Okay. She fucked him.

God damn it. God damn it, Selina Kyle! You can never trust a cat. It's brutal. They'll just do it to you every time. Such a bad beat. And now we're entering... Is this the best scene in the movie? Could be. I am...

God, man. This is going to be great. I remember seeing this in theaters and everybody was like, fuck yeah, let's go. Oh, God. You remember when we used to work with Robert Mays who did the all-time best Bane?

Yeah. I would just ask him to do Bane over and over again in the Grand Line office. Do you remember the theater you saw this in? I don't. Was it with you? I saw it at Universal City Walk with David Cho. Oh, interesting.

Oh, because you're already here. Yeah. Yeah, I think I had just moved out when this came out. I think, well, I don't remember, actually. How big of a life achievement unlocked would it be? I guess this is never going to happen because you're such a fucking hater, but to get

invited to one of Christopher Nolan's like director's only screenings. Oh, well, that would be fun to sit next to Fincher or something and watch one of these.

But no, yeah, I'm on the shit list, unfortunately. That'd be funny. Fincher's like, yeah, man! Peace has caught you. Peace has cost you

your strength. Victory has defeated you. That's what Jonathan Kerma said to me when he came in and that train is like, you're soft now. I'm the new producer around here. I've been throwing Kai and Jade around as the ones who are coming to break your backs. Like, this is pretty slow punching. It's, it, they're like.

You want faster punching? Yeah, it's just, it kind of feels like two old guys being like, oh, I don't think Bane can move any faster. Well, no, I know,

but I'm just saying it's labored. But you've got to appreciate this relative to the CGI fest that we usually do in these movies. I certainly do,

but it's also Are we an hour and a half into this film already? I think so. It's just so, it's so good. It's so entertaining. Theatricality and deception.

Powerful agents. Because he's about to go to Afghanistan. Yes. So he redubbed all of this. I believe so, yeah. I can't believe they do that. So, I mean, wouldn't you like to hear the other takes? This is going back to Batman Begins stuff.

I would like to hear what it originally sounded like. But you don't want them matching. I mean, we know from Tenet that he's willing originally sounded like, but you don't want them. I mean, we know from tenant that he's willing to just be like, you don't understand anything that's happening. Yeah,

no, I know. The destiny. That's Liam Neeson. He breaks this guy's fucking back. Why did he decide to do this performance as like,

uh, David Niven on cocaine? Like, what was the thinking with the voice? It's such a choice though. It is. It is.

It's great. I'm not mad at it. I'm just it's so weird. I bet this is very influential on Jonathan Majors as Kang. I'm sure it is the theatricality of it. I think you know

this is based on a very famous run of the Batman comic book called Nightfall in the early 90s. I don't remember. I don't think Bane is British. No. He's not, right? No.

In the comics. Yeah. This is the good shit, Amanda. This is good. This is a long stretch of not speaking guys what I mean this is Chris why don't you do Bane voice along with it how much of this do you have memorized no I get

mesmerized by this fight because I remember honestly watching and being like people in the audience really Batman's getting his ass kicked it's an amazing scene yeah it's really the best sequence in the movie. Uh-oh. And people who knew what was coming

knew it was coming. They knew that the scene the Bane breaks Batman scene was coming and still it lived up. So he's basically gone he's drilled underneath of Wayne Enterprises

and he's stealing all of his weapons and stuff. Okay. Which is maybe why you shouldn't have an armory full of weapons in a city. Or you should just keep it at several different locations.

You know? Your spirit! Yeah, it was a... It's just a tremendously convincing villain. You know, we were talking about Creed 3 last week, Amanda, and how those movies really rise and fall on the

strength of the villains. And these movies are the same. Yes. You know, like if you have Heath Ledger or Tom Hardy, it's probably going to be a fun time with the movies. Oh no, he has the mask. Yeah, he's just broken Batman. That was actually my finishing move when I performed

in WWE for many years did you well you did you used to do that on your brother Kyle right yeah Luth as press into the back over one knee

that was my move how do you think they pulled that off do you think that Tom Hardy really benched Christian Bale over his head I don't think Christian Bale

is in that suit when that is happening I bet that's do you think it's like styrofoam Majors would have wanted to do it yeah really I just had forgotten how much Joseph Gordon-Levitt was in this film I bet that's a styrofoam. Do you think it's like styrofoam? Majors would have wanted to do it.

Yeah. Really, I just had forgotten how much Joseph Gordon-Levitt was in this film. Wow, look at this hat. It's a look. Definitely. Delta. Damn, she flies Delta. Inconspicuous, under the radar.

I wish that this movie had that style a little more. I wish that this was a little more noir. Yeah. You know, I think it would be. Which I guess Matt Reeves did do, but... Yeah. I like Batman movies that are really out of time. I think that's why I prefer the Tim Burton movies. Oh, wow.

This movie is really in time. This is a very modern contemporary Batman movie. Oh, man. Selena. You're burnt. You're burnt, Selena. This is just a very active policing

on Joseph Gordon. He got promoted. He's a detective now. Yeah. Because he uncovered the entire network of tunnels. Do you guys know how it works with detectives?

Do you know how you get promoted to detective? No. No test. They just decide you're ready. Okay. Isn't that true? That's supposed to be

surprising to me. Don't guys take the detective's test? It's not like you solve a certain number of crimes? No. I know. They don't solve any crimes. I get it. You know, like if you're trying to go from sergeant to lieutenant, there's a test.

Okay. I would say... If you're becoming a detective, it's just you seem like a smart... For a while, I harbored an interest in becoming a homicide detective but I was only interested in jumping straight into being a homicide detective I didn't want to do any time on the street no patrolling

definitively does not work that way yeah I also don't think I have a great eye for detail which might have been a problem so I just want to bring this up because i think this is where a lot of people lost this movie even though now i think that this definitively rules but they cripple batman and exile him for most of the entire second act of this film

we're just starting the second act i mean we're an hour and a half into a three-hour movie it's three it's two hours and 45 minutes it is it has been about an hour okay all right um we're gonna have to take a bathroom yeah i thought we were looking at like 220 230 oh my god yeah all right okay i'm okay i'm i'm hanging in we ordered lunch we do have a the live watch of kieslowski's the decalogue coming right after this and then we'll follow it up with claude lansman's showah immediately after that. So those should be some of our most listened to episodes.

So my major problem with this film is that it is unclear where this underground prison for mercenaries and the world's greatest criminals is in relation to Gotham. Like, is this in the Catskills? I think it's in Punxsutawney, Philadelphia.

It's in Afghanistan. When he gets out of the tunnel, when he gets out of the hole, finally, he's like, I am in the middle of... It's like nowhere. But he doesn't say the Middle East, does he? No. There is no geography to Batman. It can be anything. But like... But we think Gotham is East Coast

America. That's my theory yeah what do you what do you think i always thought that it was just new york but not called new york but with downtown los angeles new york exists in the batman story i didn't why are you asking me does kandahar exist in the batman story i my understanding was always that they made like a slightly worse New York. Like they're not slightly worse, way worse. Like there but for the grace of God goes New York. And that was Gotham. Oh, yeah.

That's what I thought. So we're hearing about Ra's al Ghul's destiny and the destruction of Gotham. Here's a question for you. Maybe just kill Bruce Wayne? No? Just kill him? Just in case? I think it's always like

having him watch his dream die is the ultimate punishment. But how's he going to watch it from Afghanistan? Well, pods. They set up JMO?

Yeah. JMO live pod about the destruction of Gotham? Don't they literally set up a TV in his cell? Am I remembering that incorrectly? I don't know. set up a TV in his cell like am I remembering that incorrectly I don't know

Bill and her solo Sunday night and it's just like tonight on the pod Joe Mazzullo are we sure he's good plus Gotham Falls

coming up next yeah Gotham Police Department redraft oh she just did a handspring I'd love to just do gymnastics in prison definitely something you should do okay we're just about reaching the midway point of the movie here so why don't we take a quick break go to the bathroom we're going to throw to an ad and we'll come right back and continue

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No Academy Award for Bain. Except for the one that Daniel Day-Lewis gives him. Right. So he gave him that one. And then we robbed John Ford's home. And Bain has now taken over Wayne Enterprises. Can we do a plot reset? Sure.

Sure. Okay. I'll try my best. Okay. You want us to explain it. You have no questions. You just want us to say it. Well, do you want me to explain that you have no questions you just want us to say no well do you want me to to do it sure bane is attempting to undermine the entire financial and governmental infrastructure

of the city right and in doing so destroying power from the inside out and so batman came out of retirement yes and he went toe-to-toe with Bane, and Bane handily crushed him, and then airlifted him to the Middle East and put him in a cave. And meanwhile, Catwoman was doing petty crimes, but then got sucked up into Bane's Batman plan, and she was the one who delivered Batman to Bane. Correct. Got it, but now she and Batman have a little thing going on. Well,

meeting like a little bit of a romance or a little bit of a rivalry? I guess that's the essence of the Batman-Catwoman relationship. Sure, yeah. Yeah.

And many great romantic relationships. From It Happened One Night to The Dark Knight Rises. There we go. So Miranda is essentially in charge of Bane Enterprises, but Bane is taking it over.

And now we're getting a little bit of a download on what this prison is like so this chanting that we're hearing about climbing out of the cave this is based on your recordings in your punk rock band in college crash activated this is what me and Andy

say to each other before every watch but it's just like do you have a new angle on Quandamania's VFX? Oh, no. That guy just snapped his spine. That looked very painful. Sean, remember when you sat on your wallet for a while and then completely threw your spine out of whack for several years? Yeah, I do.

It's funny you mentioned that. Ben Cruz, who works here with us at The Ringer, and I were having coffee this morning, and we were talking about back pain, and he was like, I threw my back this weekend. It's the first time it's ever happened. And I was like, sir, let me tell you a little fable about a man who went on a treadmill at the Madonna Inn.

Yeah. Obviously, my demise as a human. That was one of the toughest drives I've ever had. Because you had to drive home? Yeah, we were at the Madonna Inn. Where is that?

Outside of San Luis Obispo? You were like Eric Bana in Black Hawk Down. I was just like, just keep your six clear. Take care of the guy next to you. You don't want Sean

in the backseat of any car you're driving, but especially not when he's in pain. You know what it was though, Amanda? Beautiful Toyota Camry with plenty of leg

and headroom. And this guy was just, Amanda? What? Beautiful Toyota Camry with plenty of leg and headroom. And this guy was just incapacitated. I remember that Camry. In the back. Your cars always have really spacious interiors. Not this one. Is that something that you put a premium on? I guess it's like I grew up with spacious interiors in the back.

You know, that was always, you know, where I sat until I was like eight. It's my favorite drake album actually spacious interior and then um i guess we're getting up to the football scene so we should probably probably check it on what the name of nancy myers so this is the biggest worst case scenario was that bruce wayne was like let's start this fusion project but like keep an eye on it and then a evil man took it over and then an evil man took it over. And then an evil man. And now he's got his nuclear scientist who he pretended to kill. Right.

So, like, what's, is the move just to get access to the weapon now? That's what we're, that's what we're after?

Yeah, so they need Miranda and Lucius's handprint to do so. I like how we're asking you questions like you wrote the screenplay. Me? Well, let me ask you this.

Is this movie intelligible at all? I mean, certainly not the way that the three of us are watching it, but that's a separate conversation. It is roughly

understandable, especially in the canon of Nolan films. It's much more coherent, I think, than Interstellar, at least, which I think is strains for players. I than Interstellar at least which I think is I agree with that

strains for I think Interstellar only gets in I only lose Interstellar in the last 30 minutes last 30 minutes yeah but like the

we made a powerful weapon oopsie bad guys got it it's like a pretty common intelligent yeah classic trope sure

classic trope oopsie it's very comic book-y it really is there's just so many characters yeah Sure. Classic trope. Oopsie. It's very comic book-y. It really is. There's just so many characters. It's really labyrinthine. And, you know, I think that's obviously one of my criticisms of him is I think he needlessly complicates a lot of his movies because he's at his best when he's doing simple, direct storytelling because he's such a good visual filmmaker.

I think we're about to realize that we made a mistake about the bridges earlier in the film. That they haven't been blown up? That they haven't been rebuilt. That they weren't blown up yet because that happens in this film. Oh. Oh. CR, you blew it.

What's that? Literally. The bridges are exploded in this movie, not in The Dark Knight. Oh, my bad. That's right. All those Robert Moses jokes

for nothing! No, that makes sense. Because that's how he keeps Robert Moses jokes for nothing no that makes sense because that's how he keeps everybody in yeah and it's also damn what are you going to ask him at the junket

you see Joseph Gordon Levitt's face kind of fall maybe I would ask him is that why you stopped making Batman movies because there are no more bridges

because there's no more bridges and the infrastructure just isn't yeah that's actually one of the things I liked about 21 bridges

was there was just so many bridges I know there's there was just so many bridges. I know. There's 21 of them. There's so many bridges. Like, bridges coming out of your ears. Boseman was like, go to that bridge.

No, go to that bridge. It's great stuff. Sienna Miller, remember her? Oh, my God. I'm realizing I made just a grave error, which is that we started recording again and I left the Girl Scout cookies on the table over there.

I can go get them. But don't you want to watch all the Bridges explore? Who's going to explain the movie to us if you get up and walk away? Am I doing it? I got them confused. Also, do you want to watch who's going to explain the movie if you get up and walk am i doing it i got i got them also do people want to listen to us i guess i can put the mic down while i eat the girl's well i mean bobby is literally shoving sushi into his head right now so it's all good you put the mic down you eat your sushi i mean i gotta eat i'm gonna die by

the end of this four- movie. This is a creative process. Okay. You're looking at a bomb, sir. You're looking at a bomb. They're not making cement. They're not making cement. They're making explosives. They're making explosives. Okay.

Jeez. Cop John on the case. Chris, thank you for getting the Girl Scout cookies. Yeah. Do you don't agree with that? I'm a tag along guy. Are you? Yeah. I didn't know that with that? I'm a tag-along guy. Are you? Yeah.

I didn't know that. I would have gotten you some tag-alongs. That's okay. Powering Girl Scout cookies right now. Me? Yeah. Samoas won. Whoa!

Samoas won! Of course. I love Samoas. Oh, my God. That's fine. That's me. Those are my tastes. Samoas won.

I respect it. I respect it. Samoas won. Thin Mints, too, obviously. I don't really know about the rest. You don't like peanut butter? I do, but the tag-alongs, I don't know the can you pour concrete laced with explosives oh okay this is actually a prequel to lock the tom hardy film about the poor yeah the poor have you guys ever sung the national anthem at a sporting event because i have what

that's solo but i was in a child's choir. Oh, okay. Oh, sorry. So suddenly being on the field at Turner Field. What did you just make it sound like you went to Heinz Field? Did you do it in a Braves game?

Yes, I did. The Callenwald singers. Look it up. When you guys got to Home of the Braves, did people start cheering? I don't remember. I've just assigned

Alan Siegel the oral history of you singing the national anthem at a Braves game. I can't believe who was on the Braves at this time. Like Ron Gant? Probably, yeah. I mean, this was definitely just after the Glavin, Maddox, Smoltz. They all could have still been there.

Just stop talking about it, please. I was like eight, nine. Just stop talking about the Braves on this podcast. You all look at me this way. I can't help that I was born in Atlanta. I've never hated three men more than Tom Glavin, Greg Maddox, and John Smoltz. Me too, and I wasn't even alive. You know I was at the

Sid Bream game. I hope they all have their backs broken by Bane, Maddox, Smoltz, and Glavin. Anyway, this was sort of what I sounded like also, but I was also wearing the big glasses that I got at Len's Facts. My elementary school did it at Trenton Thunder. Yeah, I've been out the big glasses. Were you a soprano? That I got at Lens Factor. I was, of course. I was a child.

My elementary school did it at Trenton Thunder. Yeah, I've been out on the field. You sang out? Yeah. What? The elementary school choir. Have you sang in public at a sporting event? Me?

Yeah. I also, I was just talking about this on another pod, but for my elementary school talent show in fifth grade, I played the national anthem on the electric guitar in the style of Jimi Hendrix. Did you? Yeah, I did. Wow.

You were that good at guitar? No. They don't turn people away. The elementary school talent show. So this is not the Steelers, even though it obviously is being shot. Okay, oh dear. Well, not only that,

but many, many Pittsburgh Steelers participated. And do you think that the Steelers like volunteered for this gig? I don't think that's quite how it works. Because, yeah, this is just Christopher Nolan blacking the fuck out.

Oh yeah, this I remember. Gotham Rogues? Okay. The Gotham Rogues, that's the name of the team. Yeah. I remember I saw

Nestor Carbonell, the mayor of Gotham City, observing the explosion of... Oh my God, that free safety just fell into a crater in the earth.

They brought a little metal draft back in for us i've been practicing it's coming up you know al he's a real grinder still he's gonna climb out of that hole you got bane blowing up the one two uh-oh three Three, four, five. Is this not New York City? Yeah, of course it is. It is New York City. Of course it is. That's what I just told you. Amanda Dobbins, DC expert.

But the Gotham thing is just very confusing. How do we make sense of that? Well, haven't you read like 85 comic books about it? We gotta go to the junket. I wasn't a DC guy. You can't be like, I don't know about the history of Batman and do your job

and be who you are in the world. What's up with you today? You're having a real like... Seriously, have a cookie. Relax. I can't reach them.

Wait, power rink your Girl Scout. Oh no, we'll do it after this. Dosey dose. Thank you. Tagalongs, Samoas Thin Mints.

Sean, it's 2026. Yep. 2025alongs. Samoas Thin Mints. Sean, it's 2026. Yep. 2025. Yep. Aaron Rodgers is miraculously leading the Jets to the Super Bowl. You're up 17 to 10. Uh-huh.

There's a minute and a half left. The fucking Robert Sala got drenched in Gatorade already. It's going to happen. That's premature, but okay. And then the stadium explodes and Bane comes out do you consider it still a win? the good news is I don't really have

to make that decision because I'm at the game and Bane kills me and frankly I'm good with it if the Jets made it to the Super Bowl would you go? no no you'll be alone in your sewage cave. Right, so here's the thing.

In the glass canister himself. Amanda and her husband, Zach, were kind enough to host when the Eagles went to the Super Bowl. Was it in 2019? Yeah. Early 2019, January 2019. No, that was not 2019.

18, 18, sorry. It's confusing when they change over the seasons. And I got to witness you and Zach and Andy and Jeff and our friends, who are all Philadelphians, celebrate and cheer. I don't have any Jets fans friends in LA. Yeah. So I can't replicate that.

So if there was a Super Bowl and the Jets were in it. Have you ever thought about becoming an Eagles fan? Chris, if it were that easy, I would have done it a long time ago. Unfortunately, it's just not that easy for me. Also, like, Chris, you it were that easy, I would have done it a long time ago. Unfortunately, it's just not that easy for me. Also, like, Chris, you missed the absolute, the opposite of being together with all your friends and watching the winning the Super Bowl. I surely did, yes. Which was absolutely disgraceful behavior on the part of everyone I'm related to. I was fortunate for me.

I feel like you were like, I sent everyone home with five minutes left. Tangentially mad at me, even though I wasn't there. Politically speaking, we're starting to get more to where I'm at now. Okay. Blow up the field and show off your nuclear bomb. Yep. This is the instrument of your liberation. You two would capture Dr. Pavel and make him design a bomb?

That's pretty radical. Any means necessary. All right, Malcolm. So this is like the federal government getting involved here? Yeah. And Bane is explaining that this dude has built a bomb and he is the only guy who could turn it off. Do you think Bane listens to Red Scare?

I feel like he's more of like a Dan Carlin guy. Nine hour history pod. Yeah, we have to understand how Augustus fell to better be equipped to deal with societies. Mobile. Why is he talking like that the identity of the trigger man is a mystery

look at all these extras yeah we don't fucking make movies like this anymore yeah preach Bobby they're just CGI extras in now

it looks so bad yeah how many do you think there actually are here let's say Heinz Field what do you think that holds 60,000 people yeah like 50k I realized recently that I have no fuel for that how many do you think there actually are here let's say Heinz Field what do you think that holds 60,000 people yeah like 50k

I realized recently that I have no fuel for that how many people are present yeah like when I like if I go to a Lakers game I'm like is this 50,000 people

or 21,000 people it's usually about 20 at NBA arenas some NFL stadiums are like 80k are they I think SoFi is like that is Arrowhead like that

yeah Tennessee when I was growing up was 100,000 I believe Dallas are like 80k. Are they? I think SoFi is like that. Is Arrowhead like that? Yeah. Tennessee, when I was growing up, was 100,000. Way to go. I believe Dallas right now is 100,000. 99,000.

It's a lot of people. A lot of standing room only in Dallas. The Silverdome famously hosted WrestleMania 3, which had reportedly 80-something thousand people. Damn, Dr. Pavel.

68,400 people can be at Heinz Field. At Heinz Field. Do you guys want a Samoa? No, thank you. Which has been renamed to Accresure Stadium. Damn, I just didn't buy the right cookies. No, I'll have a Samoa. No, it's okay. Wait, tell me which ones you like because one of my great joys in life is buying Girl Scout cookies. I mean, I like the cookies but talking to an 8-year-old and being like, I'd like some Samoas, I find it very moving.

Let's go behind the curtain here. So you got, you came over with your son last weekend. You brought over Girl Scout cookies, very generously gave us a couple of boxes. And then two days later, two little girls came to our door and said, we'd like Girl Scout cookies. And then we just bought another four boxes of Girl Scout cookies. Of course, you have to. So I've been eating basically nothing but Girl Scout cookies. So I'm going to take a pass right now.

Okay, that's fine. What's Bane's power rankings of Girl Scout cookies. So I'm going to take a pass right now. Okay, that's fine. What's Bane's power rankings of Girl Scout cookies? What are the shortbread? I thought those were Do-Si-Dos. No. Bobby, help me out here. Shortbread Girl Scout cookies. Tree foils?

Tree foils. Tree foils, yeah. Underrated, actually. I agree. Are they gingerbread or are they just a butter cookie? No, those are just butter. They might have introduced a gingerbread. They have a new one this year that's raspberry,

but it's completely sold out and sold out online. And you can't be a part of it. I haven't tried the brownie one either. You guys know about that? There's a brownie cookie? William Devane is the president. He is the president in this film. See, they set up a TV in his cell yeah that's very strange chris where you at on

rolling thunder i love that film i also just re-watched marathon man the other night oh yeah he's good in that too janeway devane what happened where did the wheels come off did they ever he's in dark knight rises for like a minute. He was a movie star for like two years there. In the Rolling Thunder universe, who's Devayne and who's Tommy Lee Jones? The two of us? I think I'm Devayne.

You're Devayne, yeah. So everyone thinks that Gary Oldman's dead. I guess so. But he's not? I was just reading the closed captions. I feel like they already pulled this trick in the last film that's the weird

they're doing it again so these are these are Wayne Enterprise tanks well there's essentially now the city is occupied by Bane's troops but there is an underground resistance

of cops there is sorry this is this is very Blackgate prison they Gary Oldman was still in the hospital Sorry, this is very... Blackgate Prison. They... Gary Oldman was still in the hospital,

so people think he's still sick. Right. But Bane's men came to kill him. Got it, so they broke him out. Yeah. Thank you, Robbie. Do you know that from the movie or from Wikipedia? From the movie.

Okay. How do you think Bane recruited people to be part of his movement? Good for you. Do you think Bane... Like, was he on Twitter or Facebook? Like, how did he get people invested? Since 2012.

Hijack the JMO feed. I guess we had Twitter back then, right? Yeah. Facebook as well. Instagram, I think, starts around then. Yeah. Reddit? Reddit was popular.

It's probably a Reddit thing. You're right. And you think just more and more people joined his subreddit? 4chan. Yeah. 4chan. That's probably a Reddit thing. You're right. And you think just more and more people joined his subreddit? 4chan? 4chan. Yeah. 4chan. That's correct. Yeah. This is so sad for Commissioner Gordon. He's watched his city be torn asunder.

When did this guy get out his notes? I think he stole it from Gordon. He stole the speech that Gordon was going to give at the beginning of the movie. Oh, I see. Okay. Because Gordon was going to give this the beginning of the movie. Oh, I see. Okay. Because Gordon was going to give this speech at the beginning. Got it.

Chris, when you think of fascistic anarchists, are you more of like a literal strongman type? Like a Mussolini type? Can you be a fascistic anarchist? I think so. Because, I mean, that's what he's deploying, right? He's deploying his... You can't be a fascistic anarchist.

Because he is essentially trying to communicate that he wants free reign and freedom for all people when in fact he wants to do it

on his terms. That's the paradox. That's what makes him a villain. Yeah. Is that he wants control over how things change. He's a false idol. Truly.

But that's how most... That's how most dictators come to power. This is kind of the Dent Act. Yeah. That's pretty relevant today. Yeah, it's a Patriot Act inspiration. Okay, so what are we learning?

What did Gary Oldman do that was bad? He basically propped up this lie that Harvey Dent died saving the city and that he was like a hero. When in fact, Harvey Dent was an insane guy whose face was blown off and was like, I'm

going to kill Jim Gordon's kid. And instead, Batman killed Harvey Dent, broke his neck. And they just decided to create this story because sometimes you have to have something to believe in. Okay. I see. And would you say you agree with that, Amanda? Like, do you look to your political idols for truth?

I was literally just sitting there being like, okay, so like, what's so bad about that? Like, they got rid of Harvey Dent? Like, he was bad? No, he wasn't. He was the shining symbol of like... But he actually was. I mean, he was turned bad.

But they wanted him to be like, yeah. They wanted him to be this, like, angel that saved the city. Well, that's how he actually was. I mean, he was turned bad. They wanted him to be like, yeah. They wanted him to be this like angel that saved the city. Yeah. Well, that's how he positioned himself before he was burned. Right. And then after he was burned. Which was all kind of fugazi, honestly. I don't really understand why Bane cares.

Yeah. He doesn't. He's just using it as an opportunity to rile people up. That's right. Harvey Dent was just kind of riding the image, though. I think he meant well I guess. It's like a literal

Ruckstag fire kind of inspired thing. The problem with this movie is that it is drawing from like real historical inspirations in the context of a comic book movie and it's really hard to balance those two things. See I think actually this movie's ideas are superior to Dark Knight's,

but Dark Knight as a story is superior to this. I just think the big difference is that one movie has Heath Ledger and the other does not. Because it's the same greatness and same flaws to me of all of the Nolan films.

And now all the rich are being dragged out of it. Literally on Fifth Avenue. They had a nice overhead of Central Park East. My wife's uncle lives in an apartment on Park Avenue. They had a nice overhead of Central Park East. My wife's uncle lives in an apartment on Park Avenue. It's really just the coolest place I've ever been. Very beautiful.

It's so cool. He was a madman, an adman in the 1960s. Yeah, very successful fellow. Really smart guy. Okay, they're just like clothes falling from the... This is what happens when we empty out CR's wardrobe. Just dropping it

down the banister. How's your estate doing? It's growing. It's in a couple of pretty hot zone areas right now. What do you mean by like COVID or...

Just like... Crime or... No, just like internationally contested areas. Guam? Again, just a lot of bomb activity. That kind of looks like R2D2. Not R2D2, but what's

the new one? BB8? BB8. That was good. You nailed that. So is Babu Frick in The Mandalorian? I don't know. I haven't watched it yet. It's a Babu Frick species. No, I know. It's not him because I was told

it was him and then my favorite podcast The Wash was sort of iffy on that and if I can't get the info from you where am I gonna get it

do you really come to The Watch for info yes I don't watch the show I come exclusively for recipes I just want to circle back did you guys actually

review Quantumania what did you have to say about that? Two men sobbing about how MODOK is no longer the intimidating killing machine that he was envisioned as. God damn it! That's the other reason. Everybody needs to relax. That movie had MODOK.

That was hilarious. You guys being super feige cucks is like such an amazing pivot for you. Yes, Kevin. What a great idea. People don't know this, but Amanda and I have been cast as Jim and Sarah Marvel in the Marvels, which I'm so excited for everyone

to see what we did this fall. You should play Reed Richards and Sue Storm. Did you know that I thought the Marvels was like a girl group of Marvel superheroes? I thought it was like the Supremes, but the Marvels. You have an amazing reality that you subscribe to. So this is Bane's origin story, right? Yeah, this is young Bane. Who's this older fellow describing the history of Bane?

That's Alfonso Cuaron. I saw something. It does look like a heftier version of Alfonso Cuaron. There's something about a warlord's daughter. It's, yeah. I hate when a warlord has a daughter. It's just so terrible. This is Bane, right? This little boy.

The boy is Bane. And he's the warlord's daughter, and then she's going to get got. Is she going to be Marianne Cotillard? This little boy. Yeah. The boy is Bane. And he's the warlord's daughter and then she's going to get got. Is she going to be Marianne Cotillard? No. No. That would not make a lot of sense.

But there he is, the violent young man. How did that... Oh, boy. That's the soldier who came into... Also, it was a time of plague, but is that real plague

or just metaphor? It's metaphor. I don't understand a single thing about this prison. So this prison does resemble my ADU in some ways.

That is funny. This is how you fix Sean's back, right? Yeah, that's right. He strapped me up. Oh, God. There's vertibrate protruding from your back, Christian Bale is being told. Oh, boy. There's vertibrate protruding from your back, Christian Bale is being told. Oh, boy. Back pain.

There's really nothing like it. There's just nothing like back pain. Mandy, have you been to a chiropractor before? I never have. And I recently, I went, I got a massage, which I don't do very often. And frankly, I don't know if I'm going to again because they put all this lavender oil in my hair. And it was not a pleasant experience, even though the massage was nice. But at the end, the guy was like, when was the last time you went to the chiropractor?

And I was like, never. And he's like, you should look into that. So apparently there's something wrong with my neck, which after, you know, giving birth to a child and breastfeeding for nine months, who could have seen that coming? Yeah. I got that problem, but it's from looking at Reddit on my phone. What subreddits do you look at? Liverpool, Conspiracies, World News, NBA, Sixers,

Sean Fantasy is my true lord and savior and air fryer recipes when you are stop it do you actually yeah and you know what fucking Alison Roman is not going to talk me out of having an air fryer do you have an air fryer what do you use it for it's just really easy to do vegetables like Brussels sprouts Brussels sprouts and broccoli mostly

you guys are just talking right over the return of Ra's al Ghul. Oh, hey. Portrayed by Liam Neeson. Not seen since Batman Begins. How many times has Liam Neeson played a ghost? A ghost? Yeah, because isn't he like always a force ghost now? He was the ghosted ghost, right?

Yeah. Okay. Do you go to the chiropractor often? I haven't been in several years. It was helpful when I first went, but then I started to feel like it was a fake science after my fifth or sixth trip. Yeah, it weirds me out a little bit.

You know, my, speaking of detectives, my dad's first partner when he made detective, Dr. Mark, who I grew up with, one of my dad's best friends, was a chiropractor. And he would come over to our house and give us, as children, adjustments. Wait, can I just ask you a quick one?

First of all, I want to say that this little scene of Bale getting his back worked on, do you think that's how Ben Simmons sees himself? As Batman? Batman who has his spine broken? Probably. Second of all, did you just say that your father's detective partner

was named Dr. Mark? Who was also a chiropractor? He was a certified chiropractor. Who also was a detective? He retired as a detective and then opened up a chiropractor god damn it we used to really like let people do lots of shit in this country that's really for you what do you what's your third act that's what i want to get the fuck out of this so you worked in high-powered advertising with a woman who stole clothing retail you were the world's leading dickhead podcaster. And then, what's next?

You just kept selling CDs. Maybe I go back to the source and become a lifeguard. Boost and rat mix tapes. What's that? Lifeguard. Again. Lifeguard.

First job, last job. Why not shortstop for the Yankees? But then you could be president like Joe Biden. It fills people with incredible sense of confidence to look over at the lifeguard station and see a pale, bal balding middle-aged man

looking at reddit while he's supposed to be looking at the body of water that he's securing what about you what's your what's your second act my second act yeah where are you going next um that this is a great question god he's just getting fucking jacked already this is my this is my second act. That's going to be me. Yeah, I've been getting really into it. I don't do chiropractic. I don't go to a chiropractor. I do Pilates.

So I'm just going to be really jacked like Christian Bale. Working out in prison? That's your second act? Yeah, that's it. What are your crimes? What have you been convicted of? Murdering Chris after he takes down Quantumania one more time? Taking money from Kevin Feige to yell at people

about Quantumania. Oh, yeah. Your YouTube channel about Marvel rumors would be... There wouldn't be a fucking subscribe button big enough for me.

I do think this part is... I'll do that. Into the Amandaverse. You do network. I do Marvel. You do air fryer recipes. Okay.

All right. I think this part is kind of why Bane let him live. To see if he could do it. Like a game-yer recipes. All right. Okay. I think this part is kind of why Bane let him live, you know, to see if he could do it. Like a game recognized game kind of situation. Do you put like the whole head of broccoli in the air fryer? No, chop it up in the floor. It's in the dressing.

I know, but you know how sometimes they do like the whole head of cauliflower. It's going to need to call a timeout on this combo. You guys just went out to dinner on Saturday night. You could have had this combo then. She didn't know about the air fryer. I know. you just dropped new info yeah

I'm always revealing layers of the oven huge for the CR heads you got an air fryer a while ago wow yeah amazing

now I'm remembering something about chicken in an air fryer yeah we're perilously close to Chris being absolutely disgusting about chicken right now which I just do not want

that's a long time ago. Sean has now banned me from talking about chicken. Just all food. Just relax. You're just like, I need to talk about how I got in the contours

of this dead carcass. Just chill out. Just let it go. We're talking about Bane. He eats a chicken whole. You know? Where do you think this kid actor came from?

Yeah, it's just like a whole... Yeah, he yeah like the guy at the end of Babylon I like going to Gelson's and getting a rotisserie chicken feed you for a week your poultry is a mystery

the rotisserie chicken guy in Philadelphia after the Phillies playoff run that was actually Chris wearing a wig it's really weird that they have like

a situation room for the federal government to sort of start as like a plot thread in this movie. I don't think I've noticed that before. You merely adopted

the air fryer. I was born in it. Molded by it. Captain Jones Special Forces. That looks like the dude from Rescue Me. I can't remember his name.

He's also in Devil Wears Prada. It looks like Pete Davidson's Jack Dolder brother. He's the designer who's going to hire Stanley Tucci, but instead hires Jacqueline Follet. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. This really is a star-studded film. No one knows what that guy's name is. So they've really flipped the script to now the underground society is cops Daniel Sanjada

yeah oh Daniel Sanjada sure he's a famous person three months have passed of Bane rule on Gotham they just said it's a lot of fake snow

the only thing that's coming into this city is rotisserie chickens for Bane let me ask you a question do you think the rest of the NFL continued without that team like do you think Goodell was like The only thing that's coming into this city is rotisserie chickens for Bane. Let me ask you a question. Do you think the rest of the NFL continued without that team? Do you think Goodell was like, we must play on for Gotham?

Without question. Of course. The rest of the season was played in tribute to Heinz Ward's carcass. I also would love to know how Fox News was covering this. Does Bane have a point? Do you think Tucker every night is like, why are they telling you that Bane is bad? Why is that? We want to get to the bottom of it. Bane's kind of cutting

against Tucker's ideology, though. At least outwardly. I think Tucker would be like, Bane is a beautiful masculine man. Why are people afraid of him? Jordan Peterson's reaction to Bane? He breaks down crying. We're just asking questions.

Why is that so scary? Look at his mask. It's almost like you know Tucker's intonations and phraseology intimately. Actually, there's like a whole come down thing about Tucker, and I'm just basically ripping that off. Really normal. Bane is just asking questions. Look at his barrel curl. What's that?

It's like the very tightly wrapped curl, you know, as almost that it were around the barrel of a curling iron. Okay. Yeah. They're using a lot of hair tools on this set. I see. You know,

the flat iron, the curling iron. In this world, the feminine is deeply feminine and the masculine is deeply masculine. She's married to Guillaume Canet. Yes, absolutely. Power couple Canet. Yes. Absolutely. Power couple of Paris.

Yeah. Bane is just asking questions is like the fascist version of Killmonger was right. They're both accurate and they're ruled by Thanos. Oh man. Can you imagine if there was

a Killmonger Bane movie? That would fucking bring all Just chopping it up in the studio. Did you just like hop into a time machine and bring your 11 yearyear-old self back? It's so unlike you.

Are you just trying to make up for the quantumania thing? Jack dudes wearing shearling jackets? Talking about how our American society has been desecrated. Someone sold them out. Where are they? They're in a museum where people

are living. I think this is MoMA. It this is MoMA. It's not MoMA. It's a bank. It's a library. Isn't it? Oh, okay. Yeah, it could be a library.

Yeah, I guess there's papers. This is Julia Liman's apartment. That would be great. Oh, no. You think that's the Philadelphia Free Public Library, Chris? So Bane just took out Sanjata who we just met oh god that looks like it hurts so chris like if you had to choose you absolutely had to choose now man i want to know what you think about this as well i know where bobby stands gotham pd gpd or or bain and co

oh i i would go gotham pd gotham pd i think they have a pension plan that's long-term planning right there is the question which one would you want to be employed by yeah what who do you ideologically put yourself with well the i'd like to know the answer which would i like to live under their rule? Well, we know that none of us will ever have any actual power in this society, right?

So, under whose rule would you like to live? In, under whose rule in Gotham? Correct. Not in Madrid.

Okay, what? Yeah, not in the Algarve. That's also a complicated historical question. Um, well, I just want to be Marion Cotillard

so don't spoil the movie I'm not yeah but we'll review that but I still don't know what's happening I think I have a sense of where this is going

okay god damn this dude is like I'm gonna fucking do it but you gotta realize you know what you can't do you can't use the rope oh

you just gotta climb the stones. That's called loser mentality. Oh, no. This is a prequel to Free Solo. There is no spoon. Alex Donald saw this film and he was like, I'm going to climb that mountain face. He's got a devastating spinal injury. Yeah.

And yet he's... Oh, it's his dad. Yeah. Oh, it was a dream. How many active Batman do we have right now? They're all, pretty much every Batman there's ever been with the exception of Clooney and Bale

are like currently in films in, like we have three Batman right now. Not Kilmer, right? So we have, yeah. What about Will Arnett, Lego Batman? I don't acknowledge cartoons. Do you guys know that- Kevin Conroy just passed on.

You guys know that Will Arnett as Batman is like a major part of Prince Harry's memoir. He's like really psyched to see the actor who voiced Batman in the cartoon. He's like, holy shit, it's Batman. J.M. Warringer was like, man, I'm really fucking Saul Bellowing out right now. Talking to this dipshit about Lego Batman.

I am dead. Serious. It's a real thing. And then I had to Google who voiced Lego Batman. Anyway, congratulations to Will Arnett. Oh my God.

Adam West also no longer with us. Okay. So never mind. I was just wondering whether you thought that the DC handling of this character was

at its best right now. If you could recast Batman right now, who would you cast? Because Pattinson's great. I'm on board. I love the Batman. I thought that was a good movie.

Very tall. Looks great in the suit. Yeah. He's got that weird, awkward sense of humor that I think is a good fit because you have to be kind of a weird guy

to be Batman. That's part of the reason my bail never totally worked for me. Probably Giamatti. That was actually very funny Thanks That would have played in a room full of normal people Not just us And now these dudes

They know their guy is leaving the nest Who do you want? Who do you want to see Amanda? As Batman? Bale's the best Batman I think Bale's fine It's a really good call Amanda I really hope he doesn't do that

who'd you say? Austin Butler oh mama oh mama there's tons of human waste flying around all my suits mama

the penguin got in the urine river how we gonna get him out? so check this out Amanda he's gonna climb out of this fucking hole and he is going to be in Kandahar mama this is a jailhouse rock.

We could have Gleeson do it. And then that would be him and Colin Farrell. Colin Farrell as the penguin. That would be great. Okay. It seems like... Oh, now he has to jump out? Oh.

Oh, boy. That just was not as exciting as I wanted it to be. I was like, what, was Batman going to fall and die? No, of course not. I do like all the chanting, though. Okay, he made it. Okay, so now... So where is this in relation to Gotham?

I have no idea. Across an ocean. Absolutely. For certain. And then he walks away. He frees everybody, too. And the next scene, he is in his Batman uniform on a river.

Okay. So this looks more like Italy or Greece to me. Yeah, I was going to say. Than Afghanistan. Oh, take me to Bane. Burn Gorman is in trouble. I get some silly in Killian up in here, man. Yeah.

Oh, that's right. The scarecrow makes his return. I'm in, I'm in Killian's. Oh, I hate this. I'm so pro Killian. Killian is great.

It's killing his. I like Killian. I just, the scarecrow really, really freaks me out. He's, he's wonderful. Very well cast.

What was the story? He went up for Batman. And then he got scared. He well cast. What was the story? He went up for Batman? And then he got Scarecrow. And he got Scarecrow? I believe that's the case. Killian Murphy, Eyes of a Killer. True.

Deep crystal blue eyes. I just, now I'm just like tense waiting. I hate the Scarecrow. This is how my desk looks at home. Is it this high? Yeah. That's got to be intimidating for Knox.

He gets to sit in like a little sidecar seat next to me. Up top. So he can see everything. Throw pieces of paper down at everyone like the little um like monkey type figure that sits next to job of the hut it's like what is the as if i would get that reference sorry i'm aware i know who the hut is but i like i'm not really aware of like

his working environment i forget the character's name but the creature made a return in season three episode one of mandalorian someone will tell me what it is it's like snivelly snarliest right literally i think it is something like that uh okay this movie really is like wants you to just root for a lot of cops isn't that weird it is weird i just also i't know. Isn't that really what movies were up until right around here? But in a Batman movie? Like the whole point of Batman is like going one step further. Damn.

Yeah. Wow, Mogan. He's just called Mogan a cock. This is me coming to your house after you drafted Pelican Brief. Oh, God. Has Rob Mahoney been seen since that podcast? He's fine. No, he's on vacation, quote unquote.

Quote unquote. Yeah. He's with Bane now. You move on, Bane. The trigger man is going to hit the button. This is strong stuff from Odin. This is really the question. Do you think that in our lifetime we will

see authentic revolution in our country? Oh my god. We're at this point? How much time is left? Still 45 minutes probably? Seriously. I'm dead serious. I'm going to consider that question for a second. I'm going to sit with it. Coward.

Don't you think that Modine's character should be living a little larger than this beat up brownstone that he's got? Do you think someone would say the same for you if they saw your home? Maybe. I think Chris's home is very charming. I love Chris's house. It's got nothing to do with that. But Chris is Chris. Are the Christmas lights still up?

You know it. Are they really? Yeah. Are they up year round? Yeah. That's what she's Christmas lights still up? You know it. Are they really? Are they up year round? Yeah. That's what she's going for. I love it. When did that start? Pandemic era.

So 2020. Yeah. Christmas lights went up never came down. I don't think so. Has there been a single woman in this movie besides Selina Kyle

and the wife that just answered the door? And Marion Cotillard. Juno Temple. Juno Temple. Yeah. But like all of the extras all of the hench just answered the door. And Marion Cotillard. And Marion Cotillard. Juno Temple. Juno Temple. Yeah. But like, all of the extras,

all of the henchmen, That's true. There's not been a single woman. They don't allow women in Gotham. Where are all the women? Very doodly movie. Inception also very doodly. Or also in prison,

or also in Bane's army. Gotham is like 88% men, according to what they've shown us on screen. Yeah. That is true. Bad odds. Oh, he's back. Okay.

So do you think in this society, Selina Kyle wakes up every morning and puts on all this makeup? That's really funny. Why is she wearing lipstick? That would be amazing if Selina Kyle... She has been throughout this movie. I told you you the grooming choices are very deliberate

and time specific. And to Bobby's point it's like they don't have very many women in this movie so they really had to lean into the glam. Amanda,

I told you that this movie is in fact three hours and 15 minutes but the last 25 minutes were Anne Hathaway in character as Selina Kyle doing a Vogue

makeup tutorial right into the mirror. She's like, oh, every morning I wake up and I put on my cleanser. I get my hair back. Do you watch those?

Sometimes. Yeah, they're really soothing. Should we take this three-month period and make our own cinematic universe out of it? Like we make the Jean Dielman

of the three months that Bane owned Gotham. I love it. It's a generational cinema about Selina Kyle putting on makeup. The Maisels brothers just being like the chicken salesman of Gotham. Wow, look at this peacoat. Double-breasted.

I guess all peacoats are double-breasted, but you don't normally see them buttoned up like that. Goddamn. This pod is not as weird, but I think might be more incoherent than some of the other watchers. We haven't really talked much about Christopher Nolan as a director. We aren't talking about the movie. I keep saying Bale is the best Batman.

Nobody wants to talk with me about it. I don't think he is. Who do you think is the best Batman? I prefer Michael Keaton. Okay. I thought Michael Keaton brought a real unnerving energy. It's hard to be angry about that opinion. I just like those movies a little more than these movies.

Not too much more. I like the Nolan Batman movies. There are no lawyers in Gotham, as far as I can tell. Are those like feathers? Like feather epaulets? I think it's just that his sleeves were ripped off and then he sewed them back on. Remember that Brandon Flowers coat that he wore? I do.

Loved it. The Killers, great band. A plus. Great American band. Okay. If you lived in an anarchistic society that's been closed off, would you spend your free time acting as a judge? Do you think Scarecrow

has a ton of other hobbies? In a fake courtroom? I mean, he's insane, literally. He's like, I've been waiting to get some time, some me time for Criterion Channel. See, I watched that scene and I was like,

how can I incorporate a gavel into more of my day-to-day act? That's what you need. You know? There's more props that definitively put punctuation points on. Can I share with you guys a little anecdote?

Of course. Last night, I was in bed with my wife and she got up to brush her teeth. And in the time that she was in bed brushing her teeth,

I just put on Buster Keaton's College on the Criterion channel. Just because I was like, I have three minutes to myself. I'm going to watch this. And she came back into bed and she was like,

what the fuck is wrong with you? That's a legitimate question. We had crossed the Rubicon there. Yeah. She was was like, I have three minutes to myself. I'm going to watch this. And she came back into bed and she was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? That's a legitimate question. We had crossed the Rubicon there. I think she was just like, the jig is up. You have a problem. And that is actually insane. I'll watch three minutes. Now that we're two hours and 15 minutes into this,

can I tell you guys a little bit about what me and my wife do? Sure. She now likes just having me around. So she'll be like, when are we going to watch something? And I'll be like, all right, let's watch The Last of Us. And I get into bed next to her and I turn on Last of Us. And she immediately starts looking at cats on Instagram. Okay, yeah.

And then we'll chime in every once in a while to be like, uh-oh. That doesn't look good for that guy. But for the most part, if I were like, now I want to turn the lamp on and read a book or look at Reddit, she's like, what are you doing? She relies on me as the person who's just going to explain what's happening and party down to her. You're like invested and she's... I would say we have a similar joint watching relationship at my house. If Zach and I agree to watch something together, I'm doing it pretty half-heartedly.

Yeah. Because there's not a lot of overlap in what we want to be watching at home. It's like hot British guys doing spy stuff. Yeah. Shout out Rogue Heroes. Shout out Connor Swindells. You should be James Bond.

How often do you guys have Pornhub fired up? Okay. Is that ever? Do you think you started this story with being like, in fact, I turned on Lester Keaton? So you don't get to make any jokes about what people are doing or not doing

with their significant other. We just missed the whole sequence where we returned to the Batcave and the armory and now we've got Christian Bale getting back on his feet. Don't worry, man. Batman's going to save these guys. His back is fixed. How did they...

They just poked the vertebra back in? I guess so. Well, he kicked it back in and then he was like, you have to hang here until you can stand. Then he did like 10 million sit-ups and then he fell

from a high distance twice and then successfully got out. I mean, building core strength is the way to protect your back. I know. Oh, no. Oh, and that's when I was like, I'll become a Pilates person. Pilates influencer in my second act.

I'm broadly confused as to what's going on right now. They're trying to spring the cops that have been arrested. And now Robin has been tossed into this. His name is John, Chris, at this stage of the film. When they exploded the bridges, they also exploded all of the exits out of the sewers where the cops

were looking for Bane. So now every cop in Gotham for the last three months has been stuck in the sewers. Why don't they just climb out through Christian Bale's cave? I don't think that they found it. What if they all just come sliding down the waterfall like in a water park?

That'd be great. You guys like a lazy river? Really good shot here. Big reveal. Yeah. You love that guy's chin line. This is actually, next time Eileen goes to brush her teeth I don't like the lazy river Dark Knight Rises on right wing

I think they're wonderful it's hard not to think about how many people feed in any lazy river you're in but and that's true of water parks in general but oh no

not the Brooklyn Bridge I like going rafting down a regular river impossible who's her? I like going rafting down a regular river. Impossible. Who's her? Presumably Selina Kyle. Oh, that's Miranda. Oh, Miranda Tate? Yeah.

Definitely, it's not a confusing movie, but it's complicated. That was the Brooklyn Bridge. Yeah, this is why I asked the question earlier about New York. And City Hall is right next to the Brooklyn Bridge Manhattan exit

in New York. So it's supposed to be New York except when it's Pittsburgh. That's what I'm saying though. Like what where are these cities in the real world? I guess we're not in the real world.

We're in a world where there's a guy named Bane who wears an analgesic mask to defeat the pain. Would you wear an analgesic mask? Would I wear one? Yeah. Like for kicks? No, to help with all of your pain.

Like when we go to Little Beast or something? What would you want it, like what would you want the vapor of being pumped into you? Is that how I get you some Zycam? Fresh cinnamon? Coffee. Coffee? Black coffee would be helpful.

I would like actually one of those masks, but just for caffeine. That would be really helpful for me at this stage of my life. Would you wear an analgesic mask?

No. I don't. I don't even like wearing glasses, you know? I want my face to be free. That's, but that's 20 years of having to wear glasses every day talking. When did you get contacts? How old were you?

I think I was like eighth grade. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, I had been wearing glasses for a while and they get in the way, you know, I was like doing cross country and then you don't want to be running cross country in glasses. That's, that's sad. That's a look. Yeah. I had to do some ballet recitals and glasses that was tough go swimming in glasses let's let's just talk about the batman voice for a second what like now at this point when everybody knows wait do people know batman's bruce wayne they do

right in this movie. I don't know. Not publicly? I don't know. But underground. It's like a wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Gordon knows. Bane knows.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt knows? I'm not sure about that. Didn't... Well, didn't he intimate it when he came to visit Christian Bale? That was like a very long interview. They just called it the Midtown Tunnel. Yeah, there's lots of references to real things, though. This is one of

the most non-pornographic moments in the Batman story. It's Anne Hathaway riding atop the Batcycle. I mean, I see what you're saying, but like... She just climbed on top. Yeah, that was great. We bat cycle. Relax. No? I mean, I see what you're saying, but like. She just climbed on top.

Yeah. That was great. We get it. Damn. From The Dark Knight Rises to Les Mis to Oscar glory. Can we steal another Oscar and give it to Hans Zimmer? Who would you take it from? I don't know.

Doesn't he already have an Oscar? He has one. I don't know what he has. He deserves another. Former Big Picture guest. Hans Zimmer? What a lovely fellow he was. He was a great guest.

He was an awesome guy. I was so intimidated when we got on with him. He was really good. Would you replace Amanda with Hans Zimmer if you could? Of course. Are you kidding me?

Could you imagine how much better our theme music would be? Do you think Hans Zimmer would be like. Of course. Are you kidding me? Could you imagine how much better our theme music would be? Do you think Hans Zimmer would be like, you cut the Julia Roberts Hall of Fame short? I don't think he would fill that gap. Hans Zimmer would be more likely to replace you. Didn't he win recently?

That's true. Hans Zimmer won for Dune, which is why he was on the show. He also won for The Lion King in 1995. So here's your cops versus Occupy moment, Sean. It's the Dark Knight, right? Where it's like, no more dead cops! Yeah, because the Joker is just intermittently killing people.

That's right. This is also really funny because they have so many guns and then these guys all just do a big fist fight. This reminds me of the Chicago 7 movie that Aaron Sorkin made. You guys remember that? This is kind of like the 1968 Democratic National Convention, but with Bane.

I would love to be the Norman Mailer of Bane versus the Gotham Cops. You can be. What do you think this has been? Speak on it. So this is an epic showdown. Anne Hathaway's hair appears to be more red. It's in daylight.

In daylight, yeah. I mean, also, it could... She could have some additional hair there, you know? Oh, some extensions? Yeah. Interesting. Could be a wig, you know, because she didn't want to be styled every morning.

Why doesn't Bane wear a wig? I love how Bane just turns his back on these guys. Like, fuck it. He's like, I'm good. Oh, shit. Oh. They just dropped in. Yeah, it's Batman.

Let's go, guys. Yeah, Batcopter. Sick. It's not really a copter because it doesn't have any rotors. So, technically, it's kind of more of a hovercraft. But let's go. What happens here oh yeah she blows it opens it up so that more cops can get out that's okay no no so that people can escape yeah why is batman working so hard to free police we're just asking questions why are people so afraid to answer that again to your point Chris

this is just a tremendously violent sequence with no blood so they filmed this in New York people being shot in the street I don't think so okay well then where did they film it I don't know a city made to look like New York and these guys are essentially trying to like mute the power of the bomb or like turn off the signal

so that Bane can't detonate it. Right. And then... Who is the trigger man? I think it's Bane. I think it was like a... A ruse? Like a mind game, yeah.

Yeah. And Bane's got like a sick Todd Snyder sweatshirt on here. Yeah. These movies are obsessed with like social theory and like trolley car problem and things like that

where it's like, what if we put the power in the hands of a common citizen one school bus of children would die but the city would live yeah

what would you do Batman I guess a lot of Batman stories are obsessed with that because of the vigilante nature but Nolan in particular that seems to be

what's interesting to him same with Inception right like it's all the same kind of story for him over and over again would you die so that others could live?

This is sort of an all-time, I think I got my swagger back moment for Batman. Yeah. Because I didn't get my fucking spine shattered by this guy. He's really out here in his Batcopter. I hate when I can't find the bomb in the truck. God damn it. Where's the bomb? Are we sure Commissioner Gordon is good?

At his job? No. Right? He's not good. We're pretty sure he's not good. I we sure Commissioner Gordon is good? At his job? No. Right? He's not good. We're pretty sure he's not good. I don't think he's good at all. Commissioner Gordon is like David Kahn.

He's going to flood it now, right? Flood what? Oh, flood the Urine River? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. Why do we need to bring him? Morgan Freeman is like,

more piss. Is this the voice? Let it rain down. Oh, this is sad. Yeah. Oh, no. Why do we need to bring him? Morgan Freeman is like, more piss. Oh, this is the voice. Is this the voice? Let it rain down. Oh, this is sad. Yeah. This is exactly what I was like as a summer camp counselor. A cop?

No, just this kind of energy, you know? This is a terrible thing. A lot of eye contact. Like a basketball coach, older brother kind of energy. Inspiring but stern. Yeah.

That's how you are as the producer of the show. It's like if you throw your shoe at me one more time, Caleb. Now they're just punching each other again. Just a lot of hand-to-hand

combat in this film. In like a middle of a million people. Okay. It's always a very complicated dynamic when there's a nuclear threat and also a lot of punching.

What if do you think that you and I could raise through private equity? I thought you were going to say child together. I swear to God. That I would love to see. We could get a billion dollars together and get Christopher Nolan to digitally insert us fighting into this scene. Why do we need a billion dollars he wouldn't do it otherwise i feel like cory mcconnell could do that just for his regular salary so we need to i know there's a guy who's like put wayne jenkins into every great film ever but we're like a billion dollars for me

and sean to be our faces inserted there is a part of me that wakes up every morning and hopes that I have an email in my inbox. That's like, dear Sean, I am a huge fan of your work. I also have a billion dollars I would like for you to have to do with what you please. What would you do? Would you build a cave? No, I would just make this our jobs. The four of us full time.

That's it. Every day I would just be like, we're watching another Batman movie and talking about it. Holy shit. You wouldn't make a movie? You could make Avatar 5 for that money. Is that a good investment?

Yeah. I need James Cameron to do that. I'm not James Cameron. That's a great question. Why does he have the... Where is the trigger he broke the analgesic mask yeah he's turning into Bane you know

oh he's was that was Bale talking yeah yeah where is he he was doing Bane voice I'll bring it back to the Batman voice like you don't like it is that voice good yeah I think it's pretty effective. Do you think anyone listening to this podcast is worth more net worth-wise than Gary Oldman?

Listening to the pod right now? I do. Yeah, I do. I think Gary Oldman. This exact moment. I don't think I really believe in Gary Oldman's exponential net worth. All respect.

If Gary Oldman or someone with a greater net worth is listening to the pod right now and enjoy email Sean please reach out to me via Amanda this is an important twist he's not the child of Ra's al Ghul he's the guy who is

helping her get out oh that is Talia Al Ghul okay she is the one she is the trigger woman okay it was a woman all along at the seat of power yeah i feel the only woman in gotham empowered now do you feel like roar is kind of playing yeah exactly yeah the yossification of Talia al Ghul. Okay. We can't have it all. Talia al Ghul is our girl boss on the cover of Fortune magazine. Is incredible stuff. That's Joey King.

That is Joey King? Yes. Famous actress Joey King. As a young Talia. Again, this movie has an insane cast. So she loves Bane? And there's Bane. Tom Hardy has two shots in two Christopher Nolan movies

where he takes his mask off, this and Dunkirk, where you're like, that's the coolest guy of all time. And then he just fucking has a goddamn face mask on the entire time. I have a question. This is a deadly serious question for you. Why do you want to fuck Tom Hardy? I don't know. I just think he's the most interesting person in the world

and I know what I would do with my billion dollars. I thought you were going to say I know what I would do with his body. I would go to Christopher Nolan and I would be, here is $250 million to make the sequel to Dunkirk about Tom Hardy as a POW

in a Great Escape type movie. Oh, that's a great idea. Incredible idea. It's really good. And then I would take the other $750 million. JMO premium?

I would put it into like, yeah, really good mics. I'm trying to follow what she's telling him. She's basically Liam Neeson's daughter. Yeah, that I know.

She was born in the same prison or was Yeah, that I know. She was born in the same prison or was like, yeah, and Bane was her protector. Okay. He's the one who got her out of the prison.

And so, now she's explaining Liam Neeson's motivation? Yeah, the League of Shadows was this sort of... He kicked Bane out for being in love with her. Yeah.

Because that was against the League of Shadows rules. Yeah. Okay. How does the League of Shadows intend to procreate? I don't think they do. No answers.

I think it's kind of like a... They're a little bit more nihilistic than that. It's a monastic situation. Yeah. But then, like, how does it continue on? They poach outside talent. Oh, they recruit. They save their sacred juices.

It's like AAU. Yeah. Okay. Oh, it's like Sterling Hayden from Doctor Strange Love? They withhold their deceit. Yeah. That woulds their deceit. That would be a great Hayden speech. I withhold my seed.

So, hold on, hold on, hold on. So Liam Neeson trained... They want my essence. Liam Neeson trained Batman, but then was bad? Yes. He turned out to be the villain of Batman Begins. He was trying to recruit Batman to be part of League of Shadows. The League of Shadows. I thought that was the Scarecrow.

He was also the bad guy. Ra's al Ghul was the ultimate bad guy. Oh, okay. Like a video game? Not unlike that. More like the leader of the cult that was managing all of the evil. Got it. I think this payoff is pretty effective, honestly. I think it's really good. I agree. This stuff works.

I'm with you. It's really good. Well, they have fucking Marion Cotillard, Tom Hardy, and Christian Bale in a scene. But then you cut back and you're like, oh, that was a big bomb. Let the people talk. We're good. I think some actors are better at being devious than they are being. Baron Cotillard is like a good bad guy.

Yeah. She's at her best when she, there's something unseemly or unsavory about her character similar to what I was saying about JGL earlier so you're not looking

forward to Asterix that's pretty funny I don't know what if she has like a third act turn you know where she's evil that's true we have no idea

Desmond Harrington is that who that is yeah third act turn, you know, where she's evil. That's true. We have no idea. Desmond Harrington. Is that who that is? Yeah. Again, loaded film. So these are orphans? Yeah, they're from the home where he grew up and then... Yeah, those are the only people he's decided to save from Gotham. Oh, that's too bad. What's in it for these guys

who are still in the Bane resistance at this point? What's that? They got to spend all day holding guns. I know. These guys. What are those guys doing?

Do they know about Talia al Ghul? Do they understand what's happening behind the scenes? No, I think they think they're following Bane. I think that a lot of them were just freed from the prison and so it's just unflinching loyalty you know but like when you get out of prison your instinct is not to then serve in an orderly fashion you want to get out of there i'm just i'm just identifying some concerns

i have with the storytelling okay so if you did a hostile takeover of new york city you would expect me to not follow you into the darkness i mean would you honestly sure what else am i doing oh modine goes down oh man the white gloved hero that's what he gets for sticking his neck out he should have stayed cucked out in his apartment that's the problem. It's all about sacrifice. Yikes. Great stuff. We love to see Catwoman, don't we, folks?

Do you think you can pull off those glasses? No, I don't. Oh, they're like visor cat glasses? Wow. I do get kind of captivated by this last bit. It's exciting. Guy's very good at tension. Saks Fifth Avenue.

Yeah. A classic staple of Gotham retail. Did you ever work there? What? Did you ever work there? At Saks? No. It's easier to eliminate places you haven't worked yet. I wish I worked at a record store that Bane would come into.

They just hit the Joss A. Bane again. I'm looking for drum and bass. Old jungle 12 inches. Happy hardcore. Runny size merely adopted the darkness. Goldie put out an incredible double album. I could see Bane getting really into ecstasy. XTC, the band? No, ecstasy like the drug oh the drug

yeah oh like microdosing yeah yeah yeah that's what's in the mask this is right around when work for you have you considered microdosing you know i have thought about it okay because i think i i just need things in in small doses and turns out that's exactly what my producing is you say in the middle of a two hour and 40 minute podcast watching a long Dark Knight Rises. That's the problem is my instinct is to maximize everything. Do you guys, what do you guys, what's the Oscar plan? Are you going to go just afterwards? Three hours of microdosing straight.

Then we watch the show. Then we do the pod. No, we're going to go immediately after the show's over. Oh no. So a lot of people, and by a lot of people I mean nobody, have been asking us like, why are we doing this four days before the Oscars? Right.

I did ask that, actually. I was kind of wondering that. I was wondering this, too. We're sitting in a dark room. Well, we just have done so many Oscar pods. It is true. Over the years and this year.

We start in September every year. Some would argue that we started in June this year. Did we? Or May, whenever Top Gun came out. Oh, yeah, but we weren't really

talking about it then. Sure, but some of our best work. That's true. That's true. Last May was a wonderful time with the movies. Why don't we re-release that? Re-release it?

Yeah. The 100 Things We Loved About Top Gun Maverick? Where would we re-release it? I don't know. Just remind people. Yeah, it's available. You just want to re-publish.

Yes. Chris, have you listened to that episode? I did. What'd you think? I thought it was wonderful. I loved't know. Just remind people. Yeah, it's available. You just want to republish. Yes. Chris, have you listened to that episode? I did. What'd you think? I thought it was wonderful. I loved all the Top Gun stuff. Great.

Thanks for your support. What do you guys want me to go through my favorite bits from it? Yeah, circle back. Do you think I remember all the things you said? What about the

Quantumania episode? Did you listen to that? No, I did not. Okay, that's too bad. Because when you two were just like, Kev did it again. God, another

slapdash entertainment like and subscribe to answer Bobby and Amanda's question Mandy MCU and Shawnee Quantumverse did you say Mandy MCU that's good I don't know why we're doing this now I wanted to do something that was not at all

do you think it would be a better world if movies like Dark Knight Rises won Best Picture? No No No I don't know about that Okay Would it be better than the one we live in?

I don't think it would have been so bad for Black Panther to win Best Picture Sure Me too Dark Knight Rises I mean the Dark Knight The Dark Knight was the one Fucking sick I think we all agree that if Dark Knight hadises I mean the Dark Knight the Dark Knight was the one fucking sick I think we all agree

that if Dark Knight had at least been nominated we would have been spared a lot of pain and misery and Reddit updates you know I legitimately wonder if our culture

would have been different if that had happened seriously yeah I think that's a very fair I mean they the Oscars obviously changed what they do because it wasn't

this is an objectively absurd sequence that is absolutely rip shit awesome it's cool but like it's kind of like a Transformers movie it wasn't. This is an objectively absurd sequence that is absolutely rip shit. Awesome. It's cool, but like it's kind of like a Transformers movie. It doesn't look like a

Transformers. Really? I don't know this this fucking hovering thing in these fake missiles. This is CGI shit. This isn't what he does. No, this is all practical

effects. I don't know. It's okay. It's a Star Wars. It's like a flying object in an alley being chased by missiles. Not my thing, Chris. I'm sorry. It's okay.

You don't like Star Wars? I read an entire Wikipedia production section to try to figure out what city this is. It's unclear. They filmed a lot of places. LA, Pittsburgh, New York, right? New York, London, though that was probably just studio stuff near the manor or whatever.

You always see a lot of trucks driving through fire in these films too. He's certainly got some visual motifs he likes to return to. This is a real bullshit end for Talia, by the way. She just cracks her neck in an accident. Is this how it ends yeah oh i'm glad because sometimes like car accidents are like i lived but it's like this is

you build it up for like two and a half hours and then she's just like that yeah how did he survive that is a great question he wasn't strapped down no he would have just hit the roof of that truck. Dag. You hate to see it. Yeah, absolutely hate to see it. Where is Lucius Fox right now? River of Piss. Oh, there he is.

Yeah. That was great timing. He's like, we run out of urine, Batman. It's an emergency. This is tough for Morgan Freeman they unleash the urine here it comes the pee dam has been broken

they pierce the bladder so right now Selina Kyle GPD Batman, Lucius Fox, Detective John are all attempting to do what? Turn the bomb off? What's that? They're attempting to turn the bomb off? They were trying to, but now it's going to be a situation where somebody's got to take the bomb out to the open sea, you know?

I see. This is like a Godzilla situation. Well, RIP to Marion. That wasn't a very convincing death. Here's a question for you. Why is he still using a voice? Why isn't he using Bruce Wayne's voice?

Maybe it's like a voice decoder thing. Is that a thing? Built into the suit? Yeah, it's in the throat thing. Because it's supposed to mask his identity, ultimately. But is that why his voice is like that? So you think that he's just being like, hey! Yeah!

There's no autopilot! My high parents! Has this been explained in the films? No, but I just assumed somebody check on Lucius. I think he's drowning. Amanda science corner with the voice modulation. I just assumed it was built into the suit.

I mean, he's a billionaire. He has a lot of toys. There's some like little rotors underneath that thing. It is a chopper. Okay. All right. Settle down.

Thank God. We finally gotten to the bottom of it is this young commissioner gordon encouraging young yes wow yeah he just figured it out bruce don't worry one day you'll invent a helicopter with rotors underneath and you'll carry this you'll carry a bomb into the ocean this i remember what pod do you think batman's listening to while he takes an atomic bomb incredible question he's super into the journal. Couch Chronicles. Yeah, it's life advice. Yeah. Ryan, Bruce,

6'3", 220. I'm currently... 400 pound bench. I have an atomic bomb strapped to my bat chopper. My girlfriend likes to steal things, but I feel like we have something together. You know who Ryan looks like? Bane.

Bane, yeah. That's a thing. Do you think Ryan would enjoy that being compared to Bane? I think he got joked about with the Utah pictures. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because he was wearing a Bane jacket.

Oh, right. Of course. That's right. That was great. I'd like to get an environmental impact report on setting off an atom bomb in Fire Island, essentially.

Damn. What do you think happened to that house you used to stay in? It's probably gone. I blew it up. Sucks. Fire Island, what a great time. Some good Spielberg facial reaction stuff going on here. Yeah. I love that. Single female note. Very beautiful.

Yeah. This always angered me because they didn't really explain how he got out of this situation. Batman? Yeah. Wow. Oh, no.

I don't really understand. Did he not drop it in? That's detonation. All right, Guy. Thank you. We have impact. Yeah. There's just going to be

a hundred years of contamination. These motherfuckers read about Chernobyl? This is not good. Do you think that's what inspired Craig Mason? It's objectively better, though, than it going off

in the middle of the city. I think Craig Mason was like, that's not that far away. Yeah, if you can see it, After seeing Dark Knight Rises, he was like, I need to make Chernobyl to let people know

what happens when Batman sets off nuclear devices. Oh my God. When is Craig Mazin getting his shot at Batman? Oh man. Feels like that could happen. He's kind of on that trajectory

right now. I think he's going to be on Last of Us for a minute. How long? Come on. I thought they said two seasons. Just two seasons. I don't want the third now. I think he's going to be on Last of Us for a minute. How long? Come on. I thought they said two seasons. Just do two seasons. I don't want the third season.

I think so. I thought that when your pal Casey came on the watch. Oh, he said three. I thought he said two. Yeah. Okay. Your boy Casey. That's why we're down with Feige.

Yeah. Okay? Yeah. You got Casey. When Feige comes on the big picture and he says, thank you for all your support over the years A lot of people doubted me When Quantumania went certified rotten

Nobody believed in us But MCU Mandy Is Rotten Tomatoes your homepage? Yeah That's how I decided to see a movie or not And then do you loudly say, 84 tomatoes in the theater? I like to hang out outside of the theater.

And as people are coming in, I'm just like, Hey, just so you know, this is tracking at like 83, but I think that we can get the heat up a little, you know? Hey,

my name is Chris audience score, Ryan, and I'm really excited about your reaction to Quantumania. Who's the Italian chef who's like, just put halved onion in the sauce? Marcella? I'm the Marcella of Rotten Tomatoes. So is he

understanding that Batman is dead here? It's also a stick of butter. That was his funeral that we just saw. Okay, so Batman is gone, but they're at Wayne Manor. Which is being turned into a boy's home. Right, an orphanage. Yeah. What's the difference

between a boy's home and an orphanage? I think boy's homes are for boys, and orphanages could be for both genders. You answered that with confidence. I actually have this large bust of Batman

in my ADU. I have it too, but it's overlooking my bed. Why is that statue better than so many statues? That statue looks like Trump in the Batman costume. Oh my God.

That's quite a nice estate. Don't you think? Amanda? Yeah, it's very nice. This guy is actually... I was into the house. This dude plays the saboteur in Hunt for an October. What an amazing career.

The guy's reading the will. Did you get a close up? We got lawyers back, everyone. That's true. That's how we know we're back in civil society. Okay, so this is obviously leading somewhere important. Batman started a boys' home. Why is that?

It's a home for children. There is some real questions about Batman and his ward that we can ask. Because I like that name. Robin has just been uttered. Oh, that's right. So they've set us up here for Detective John to become Robin. But there's no way Christopher Nolan was going to come back and make another movie, right? So why did they do all this?

Yeah, like why this has the storytelling? So I think right at this point when he was going to do, so he oversaw or he executive produced the Zack Snyder Superman. There might have been a moment where he was like, I will shepherd this

future of DC. You know, and maybe there will be a Robin movie or a new Batman movie and Superman and all that stuff. And then he,

then he quickly hit eject. Do you think when JGL signed on, he was like, I'm signing up to be in the DCEU think it was definitely talked about he was just he's for jgl really jacked right now so i guess like he was training to be jack robin maybe i mean he would make a great robin he's kind of perfect but it just felt like a and maybe right chris maybe it

was planned and it just never came to fruition. Because, actually, is this right around when the Kevin Tsujihara era? He found the sludge. Yeah, he found the back cave. Slime River. The sewer fountain. This is the big conclusion. We're getting to the end of the movie here. Yeah, this I remember.

What do you think that is? An amaretto? Grappa. Grappa, yeah. Did he order a grappa? It looks a little red for grappa. It does look a little red. It looks lovely. Maybe it's a namaro sure yeah i don't

why would you drink a morrow in the middle of the day like that before a meal tomorrow on saturday night i thought that was very sophisticated thank you you know we've overlooked one other thing about the stench in the bat cave which is there are bats in it yeah and they shit that is upsetting guano that's right you've seen ace ventura too when nature calls um uh man you just love to see this yeah alfred he's got a good look at his boy wow wouldn't it be nice if christian bale when made one movie where he looked like that yeah i just so handsome. I love that that eggplant button down. He's got on open. Yeah, beautiful. And what's a oh dear because Batman's just an idea.

Many people can be him. That's so beautiful. Way to go movie guys. Great fucking movie. That's the Dark Knight Rises, which is a quality film. We always talk through the credits as we wrap up these podcasts.

Let's continue to talk through these credits. What takeaways do we have? They don't make them like they used to, even though this was only 11 years ago. 10 and a half years ago this film was released.

I love this movie. There's something about, I think, probably the practicality of it, the lack of VFX that are really obvious that make it feel like a lot more lived in.

Maybe last, like the middle hour of this movie when batman is in prison but there's all this other bullshit going on it's kind of incoherent and stupid but uh i think the beginning and ending are awesome amanda i agree with that assessment i'm happy for marion cotillard i had forgotten but then i remembered about 10 minutes before that she was the bad guy and you enjoyed enjoyed how she died a brutal death. I felt like that was they could have given her more. Yeah.

You know, a hero send off. But I guess not. Not to be. Bobby, any any thoughts? Any takeaways? I want to know about like the lasting political impact of what Bane did.

You know, did they learn their lessons? I mean, we redistributed any of society. Gotham, it's contaminated with nuclear fallout and has been torn apart at the seams. I think the one thing I've learned about Gotham

is that no one learns any lessons ever. That's true. And then the penguin shows up. One thing I'd like to hear more about is how they managed to harness the power of flowing urine. I just think that's remarkable that they did that. That was a very impressive technology. Batman loves flowing piss.

Why is that? How many hours of Tucker have you watched in the last seven days? Just answer honestly. I have to say, way less Bane than I thought from you, Chris. We talked through most of the movie. I thought there was going to be more like, oh, it's diagram the scene and do Bane stuff, but I really enjoyed our conversation. What scene did you want to diagram?

Diagram the scene? What is this? The floor is yours. Can we start from the beginning? And do it over? Should we start it over again? Just start re-taping? I wish that the Aiden Gillen scene

was like 40 minutes long. Yeah. Yeah. Like it went by too fast. We didn't get a chance to really break it down. It's the most fun part of the movie. If Giselle directed this movie

it would have been 45 minutes long. God damn. Guys I saw Babylon again on the big screen this weekend. Oh my God. So you just did that? You just went to Babylon? Yeah.

Yeah. In Santa Monica. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was so fun. Alone? Yeah I went alone. Did you make any friends? Oh so many people. Did people come up to you and say hi? So many it was great. It was so fun. Alone? Yeah, I went alone.

You make any friends? Oh, so many people. Did people come up to you and say hi? So many big picture fans. It was awesome. Oh, that's nice. That's very sweet.

People were really cool. Yeah, people were literally asking me, where's Bobby? Because they know he's in the hive. And I was like, Bobby lives in New York. They walked up to you like Aiden Gillen.

Where's Bobby? Two guys were like, Bobby lives in New York? Like they were like upset about it. It was really funny. Babylon gonna sweep with the Oscars? Yeah, absolutely. Best picture? Yeah the Oscars? Yeah, absolutely.

Best picture? Yeah. Right in? Yeah. Right in Babylon. God damn it. Everything, every roll at once, huh?

Guess so. You guys gonna do this now at the end of a three hour podcast? So ex-prisoner at River here is played by Noel G. That man can't give his full name? How did he get paid? Oh, Joey King.

There you go. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't lying this is just a star-studded cast in this film Young Ra's al Ghul played by Josh Pence okay

just amazing stuff Patrick Leahy board member number two I think one I'm very excited for Oppenheimer and I really like Tenet a lot and I thought Dunkirk was good

very good so maybe I'm getting increasingly more excited about Nolan as I get older did you rewatch Interstellar or Inception recently

and decide you were wrong no I rewatched them both very purposefully for all the backlash I got during the pandemic and I still was very very mixed on both of them I really just don't think

they're as successful as Inception is a masterpiece Inception is wonderful Chris has been going around telling people that Interstellar is like the best plane movie of all time. And so my husband has tried watching it on five different flights. Watching it on a plane. On a plane. Yeah. Yes. Sorry. A movie to watch on a plane, not Sky Trash. And Zach will just cue it up. He just like believes in Chris and Chris's recommendation so fully. And so we're like three hours in,

a child is climbing over him and he's like, this time so we're like three hours in a child is climbing over him and he's like this time I got it like interstellar also Zach doesn't know how to work an iPad so every time we go on a play he starts from the beginning no it's my iPad and he's like hey can you download uh interstellar for me and then like doesn't know how to do it on Amazon and so I have to you really buried the zach slander all the way to the end here i've bought interstellar like twice and it's not cheap you shouldn't have to buy things twice i you know what don't give me your physical media bullshit how is he gonna take his little dvd on the plane to watch interstellar when you buy the physical copy they give you the digital copy they give you a code to download the digital copy.

Does that help Zach know how to download it onto the app? I mean, if you guys need me to train you in these arts, I will do it. That's the thing. When you're buying the physical copy, you're also getting the digital copy. Do you own a physical copy of Interstellar? Of course I do. I own every known film. Well, then can we borrow your digital copy?

No, because it's cued into his personal stuff. I'm really about to pull the plug on this pod like a million dollar baby style any any final words uh i i i really like doing these with you guys i think they're a lot of fun i think they're like they literally have no utility to anybody who's trying to better understand the film they They're borderline incoherent. I'm really grateful to everybody who listens to the show, especially the length of these shows. I have not been very scientific

in the way I've thought about what we should talk about. This is actually the second Batman film that we've done. Oh yeah, that's right. Which feels excessive. You know what we should do next is a really good, tight hour and 30 minute movie. We should do a Bourne movie that's good tight hour and 30 minute movie which is like a Bourne movie that's like an

hour and a half long you know which one I just watched Bourne Identity the other day and I was just like this movie is incredible and has

long swaths where nobody talks so it's kind of easy to talk over it yeah the problem with this one was just not wanting to talk over Bane exactly just hearing

his voice was so magical is it really a problem or is it about holding space for some of our greatest performances? Is the only thing that could have improved

this film the addition of Tucker Carlson to you? Like Mission Impossible style with the fake set? Yeah, fake Wolf Blitzer fake Tucker Carlson. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't really have too much more to add. This was... You excited to hear from the Nolan heads? I mean, whatever. Let me put it this way. This is a sincere message to all the Nolan heads.

I've thought long and hard about this. I'm saying this from the bottom of my heart. Fuck off. Get a life. If you're upset online because I said negative things about a movie you like, get fucked.

That's how I feel about it. Unless that movie is the Marvels. In which case, I give it four stars. Shawnee Quantumverse. Loved it. Great job with the VFX, Kevin.

That looked just like a multiversal experience. Do you think they should recast MODOK with Amanda? That's rude. Do you think that would be good? Oh my God. So there's your final title card, The Dark Knight Rises. Thank you so much. Thanks to Bobby Wagner for his work on these

extremely weird episodes. And if you've gotten this far, later this week on The Big Picture, we're predicting the winners of the 95th Academy Awards. Stay tuned and we'll see you then. Thank you.