The Big Picture - The Flops Movie Draft

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

We’re drafting again! Sean and Amanda are joined by Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan for their first ever “Flops Movie Draft” where they highlight some of their favorite movies that were commercial failures at the box office.  (0:00) Intro (1:43) Earliest flop memories (12:34) The Flops Movie Draft rules breakdown (17:17) The Flops Movie Draft (1:38:25) Honorable mentions (1:48:06) Draft recap Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders Editor: Jamie Yukich Production Support: Sarah Reddy and Lucas Cavanagh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the big picture a conversation show about Flops. CR is here and we are drafting again. And so is Bill Simmons. Today we have a very special draft for you since we're in the direct

since we're in the quiet part of the release calendar. The last week of August, we're talking about flops. Is it teleprompter? Right after this, yeah. Okay, Bill, you're here. Yeah.

You heard about this and you want it in on this. Yeah, I like flaps. You do. Yeah. I think we have that. have some honor with this draft, though. Because by the categories, I think you could get, you could be like, dast and confused, flop, didn't do well. Like, it has to be something that was considered to be disappointing when it came out.

Okay. That was, I think, I think that's a really important part for this. That was what I wanted to talk about with you guys first, because we're in this moment where Spider-Man, brand-new day might become, it has a chance to become, an outside chance to become the biggest movie of all time. It's probably going to come up a little bit short of that. But I would say it caught me by surprise that it could get that big. Yeah. And then the immediate after effect of that is a bunch of movies coming out in August and people are like, I'm good, no thanks.

I'm got Spider-Man. I'm not going to see anything else. I saw my one, I saw The Odyssey and I saw Spider-Man, and I don't need to see any movies. Just you and me in one movie theater alone watching Dog Stars. Excuse me. I will also be there. Dog Stars is coming out this Friday. We'll see how it does.

Feels good stuff in the theater. We almost went to the movies last night. And there was like five movies at the Grove I wanted to see. And then you go, it'll be on streaming in two weeks. I'll wait. Yeah, Star-R-Shahn. Flop still happen. Yeah. But I feel like when I was thinking about this idea, I was thinking more about the 90s.

I was thinking more about Kevin Costner's face being plastered across variety of the weekend after Waterworld came out. Something like that. I don't know. What do you think about? Yeah, I mean the Waterworld Postman, Postman, double feature of the mid-90s for him. You pronounced a Postman? I did. I don't know why. Like Phil Spider-Man? Postman. You know, there's obviously like... I think maybe you're doing like Italian El Postino. No Postman.

Obviously, like Heaven's Gate and Ishtar or historic box office catastrophes that sunk careers and studios. But Waterworld was the one, I think, for the Premier Magazine generation that people for two years have been reading about like, wow, he's going to try, he's going to go for it, he's going to do it. And it sounds like there are problems. And it sounds like there are bigger problems. And then it never made a dollar or whatever. I mean, in truth, Waterworld, I think actually was financially okay. It did okay. but it was never close to what they imagined and also as a critically reviled turkey.

I think that speaks to what Bill was saying, which is like we got to have some honor because Waterworld, I think, is still understood as a flop. Yes. It maybe wasn't as bad a financial loss as some other movies that we'll talk about, but it didn't do well enough. I don't know. How do you think about it? You think about it critically, too? A little bit because I was trying to think of you put in the outline the prompt of what's the first flop that you remember. and I think some of it can be the water world.

It's covered in the trade for so long. We're now, especially since we follow the business so closely, you know weeks in advance, like, oh, no one's going to go see that movie. Like, oh, you know, whatever Julia Roberts was doing from 2010 to 2024 is just like DOA with love and respect to one of my favorite movie stars. But I do also remember the feeling of going to the movie theaters and I had been sold a bill of And then I was like, oh, this is just not good. I don't know why I'm here right now.

And that is more of the critical flop. And also just kind of when the system is breaking and the audience has become aware, and they're just like, oh, you guys didn't have this at all. And we all pretended like this was going to be a real movie. Snyder versus DC movies. And this is not a movie. Yeah. Yeah.

I wish you left. Oh, man. This is the rest of my life. Yes. Yes. What about for you? Do you remember the first time you? Probably Heaven's Gate.

Yeah. I didn't go see it. But this is the first time I remember hearing dialogue about a flop. Because I don't remember New York, New York and some of the other ones from the 70s that people were disappointed by. But Heaven's Gate, it felt like that became like a national news story. I don't know because people read newspapers back then. It was like bankrupted the studio. It became a book.

But the first one I remember that I had real opinions on was probably Howard the Duck. Because they put a lot of money behind it. I had a crush on Leah Thompson. for her, bought some season tickets for her. And it was just really bad and kind of inexplicable. And then it came on cable and it was like, wow, what happened? But that was the first time I remember the concept of it. And then the 90s is when it really took root.

I think Waterworld was like kind of the apex mountain of flop conversation, I would say. Yeah. I think those are three like pretty historic examples because Howard the Duck produced by George Lucas. Like there was this expectation that it was going to be like an event movie and like maybe even a franchise. Yeah. Heaven's Gate obviously cited as like the end of the new Hollywood basically. The movie that kind of killed that glorious period in the 70s. Waterworld, I feel like it's about hubris, you know, and like not sometimes there's these movies where like a director or star is like I can do anything.

Sure. There's like nothing that. Sometimes there's a Kevin Costner movie. Or multiple. But sometimes that works out because Titanic was. considered be going to be a flop and it wasn't. There's been a lot of, we thought this was going to not work out, but then it did. It's also always fascinating to see what augers or is the like the canary in the coal mine for

a flop. Like for Heaven's Gate, infamously, it was this Vincent Canby review where he reviewed like not an early version of it or wasn't an early version. I'm not sure. He was one of the first guys out to review Heaven's Gate and it was so negative that it almost started this snowball effect of other critics being like, no, I think it's a bigger piece of shit. It's even more of an abomination. Sometimes it can be, you see an ad for a movie and you're just like, oh, they didn't get it. There's something wrong with this ad, like this trailer or this ad

campaign that you can just feel if you're watching a football game with other people, they're like, what is this fucking thing? And you can tell, like, there's just no juice for the movie. So I always find it fascinating to kind of feel like what's the first moment you knew this wasn't going to work for a movie? And how rare it is the movie can like turn out of that. We were just having a conversation. about reshoots and how a lot of movies now do reshoots. And back in the day, if you heard about reshoots, you were like, oh, this is huge trouble. Now it's like a little bit more commonly expected, but it's still an indicator in the news. Cliff Booth being, yes. Well, Cliff Booth, the social reckoning. They both had really late period. And long shoots, too, is another one. My dad, who I learned

a lot from movies about, and especially rewatching the same movie over and over again, which was a big thing for him with Clint Eastwood and some others. Did that come up in your career later, rewatching movies? Yeah, later. His big thing was that the Globe, the Boston Globe, didn't review it. He's like, bad sign. There's no review today. That means it probably, like, he sniffed

that out early. And would that incentivize him to seek out the movie? No. It was more like, the Globe didn't review it. That means he was smart enough to be like, that probably means they didn't screen it. If they didn't screen it, that probably means it's not good. The version of that was at my house was with my dad

reviewing movies, it would be there hiding. from us. But that was what they did. They would kill his deadline. So, like, if it would be, like, Thursday, they'd be like, you can see the leprechaun too now. He'd be like, I'm not reviewing this because it gives me, because I'm trying to go to the bar.

Did Desmond review Lepricon 2? He did. He hated it. Did he see Leproon 1? I think so. Generally, he found it offensive. Oh, the Irish popped out. Wow.

Yeah, yeah. The English went quiet for a second. But, yeah, like, he would talk about, oh, they're hiding this movie. from us, which you've discussed before as well. Yeah. It doesn't happen as much. They try. They try. It's really hard because what they try to do now is

they try to pit the fans against the critics so they'll have like fan screenings or influencer-led screenings, but then they won't show it to critics until the last minute. So it's this kind of, it's like a miasmil. Like, they're trying to trick you into thinking like, well, people who really understand this material will really like it. You know, whereas like these haughty critics or these journalists,

they don't understand what you really like, which is all like a lie. Like they know when a movie isn't it. Like, we went to Masters of the Universe. I went with Van, and Mahoney was there too. And we were talking afterwards about how we were, like,

way outnumbered at that screening. Like, it was a lot of, like, he-man guys, you know, guys who were really excited about that world and not people who were there to review the movie or talk about it on pods. The PR tour is another sign.

If the stars aren't promoting the movie at all, red flag, right? There's an inverse of that, though, which is sometimes because people know the movie is a dog, they'll do too much press. So, like, sometimes when you see people being booked on things that they wouldn't normally do,

it's because they're really nervous that the movie is not going to perform. So there's, like, all of this tea leaf reading. Like Charlize's on hot ones, just fucking throwing up chicken wings because she's in a bomb. Sometimes. Sometimes you'll be like, why is McConaughey on 74 pods? And it's like, oh, because this, like, random indie, not random, but this indie movie that's only in, like, 40 theaters is out. But, like, he's doing, like, Diary of the CEO. There's another one where there's like a shit detector test with some of these.

Like run and runner is a good example. Where there was like good people in that movie. And yet there was no buzz at all. Coppulman and Levine were suspiciously quiet about it. I was like, there's just nobody's kind of talking about this one. Yeah. Yeah. And then it just kind of came and went.

And there was a reason for it. So you made a distinction earlier in the podcast like when we first started about like, so you just dazed and confused as an example. But one of the phenomenons I think of, and maybe one of the like the loopholes of this 90s stuff is that there was a home video market where movies could have

pretty active second lives. Reservoir dogs. Yeah. So dogs is an example. I don't want to name too many because they may come up or they may not. But we can't have reservoir dogs in this draft. No, see that's, to me that's that those movies should not be eligible because that's like an independently made modestly budgeted movie that played festivals that was never intended to be a big blockbuster.

It's good to look at the a reported budget of these movies and it's like well yeah maybe this movie lost $5 million but did anybody really think it was going to make $75 million or $100 million back then sometimes yes sometimes now I think it's an expectation game mostly right

like what do we think a movie should do based on the stars based on the filmmaker based on the premise versus hey here's a cool small movie those movies are not pure flops I don't know about you guys I'm just happy to play a game with people who aren't too particular about rules and competitive nature. So it's just cool.

Yeah, I feel like I'm going to storm out. Like three o'clock. There was a tremendous amount of conversation and push back for you. And then this morning, a dramatic reveal. That was tough. I really had a hard time all weekend with this. I was like, this is the fucking hardest movie draft I've ever been. These are usually pretty easy.

But it turned out I'd mixed the show. I'd confuse the text with another text. This is a challenging premise because there's a lot of specifics for what defines a flop. But you doubled your work. You thought that all of the traditional categories that we usually do that you lasted when you were on the show were also going to be included in addition to these new categories. I thought you were merging them together and all of a sudden I'm trying to figure out Oscar nominees. What happened? What's going on at home?

I just just screwed up. It's got a lot on its plate. Turns out not a lot of Oscar nominees were flops. Yeah. It was like endless love. It was like, oh, I got nominated for best song. I was at that level of research. You know, that would have been a cool thing to do.

Because there are a lot of, like, big ticket blockbuster-e movies that would get, like, a VFX nomination. Sure. Yeah. I wouldn't get it on Chronicles of Riddick. I bet it did get, like. You think it got an Oscar known? Possibly. Have you seen that?

Oh, yeah. Pretty good. I had a lot of Riddick stock for a minute. Riddick stock? Yeah. I thought it was like a cool character. Rank the Riddick's. Riddick Bo, Louis Riddick, Riddick from Pitch Black.

Are Riddick from Pitch Black. Okay. Now you're Bill. Lewis Riddick last. Okay. Should I explain the categories? Yeah. So they're not as Bill thought, drama, comedy, wildcard, Oscar, etc.

Here's what we're doing. After some debate, and I appreciate the debate about what we should do here. One is less than $30 million domestic wide release. Now, with the caveat that indies and small movies are not qualifying here, we're talking about studio movies, movies that we're expected to make a lot of money. Number two, star bomb. This is a movie star vehicle from a well-known person who probably overstepped a little bit. So this will have the most negotiation with the picks.

Okay. Okay. I think it has to be agreed on that this movie ultimately was considered to be bad for the star. Oh. When it came out. I didn't take it to mean that. Yeah. It didn't do well, but even if it did okay.

We're picking movies. But Waterworld did okay. Like, it made the money back. Oh, in that sense, yes. I understand what you're saying. You know what I mean? Yes. But that still was bad for cross.

It's still an avatross around his next. Yes. I think if there's some sort of collateral damage to the star, you know, then that's it. Okay. The next category is the $100 million losers club. Adjusted for inflation. Adjusted for inflation. That was a key ad because there were not a lot of $100 million.

We could be drafting movies from the 90s that did adjusted for inflation lose $100 million. The next category. is Ebert zero stars. This was amazing. Yeah. I never read this full list. I can't wait. There is a list of films

that Roger Eber gave zero stars. And actually, what's most interesting to me about the list is what isn't on the list. You know, like you see there's some obvious stuff, there's some surprising stuff. We'll talk about it.

We'll be able to get some actually good movies, I think, out of this category. Next category is sub-25% on Rotten Tomatoes. Another really fun list. The final category... With Rotten Tomatoes,

could it have been either side, critic side, or fan side? just critics. I mean, I was as well. Are there any films that are sub 25% with fans?

They're usually so much more forgiving. Because fans are stupid, is that what you're saying? I didn't say that. I said they're forgiving. The popcorn meter or whatever? Yeah.

Is that, what do you look at first when you pop- Popcorn meter? Yeah. Always, yeah. Yeah. I'm a populist.

Yeah. You are. The last category is failed franchise launch. So this is a movie that was, there was hopes of it being a multi-part saga of some kind

and the franchise There's gonna be some huge fights on this cat down in that category To me this is a more modern phenomenon This is a much more Most recent 20, 25 years Than it is going back to the 80s or 90s

But there are some examples In the 80s and 90s for sure And I would say most of this conversation Will be about the 80s, 90s and 2000s Because we didn't really think of movies In quite the same way In terms of box office And critical revulsion as we do now

I would say a couple of these have They're open to interpretation and I look forward to a healthy debate while we make our picks. And I'll just say that I'm going to lead with love and that I think it's a... That's beautiful. I think that we're going to make some allowances for long-time friends here. You think that's going to happen? I hope.

I hope. How do you feel? I'm re-evaluating how I defined. I'm back in the saddle. I'm thrilled to be back with my guys, including Bill. I... Amanda and I have had a great month. We have.

We did Apollo 13. Got lost in space. That's true. We talked a lot about Philly Sports. He's very supportive to me. Yeah. So it's lovely to see you. She did her Kathleen Quinlan impersonation, which I know you guys have both seen. Help me back on Monday, Friday.

So we just redefined Starbaum in a way where I feel like I'm going to have to do a lot of Googling right now. So that's where my headspace is. You're distracted. I can see you. You kind of slipped out of a pod for a second. Yeah, I did. But that's just kind of like, oh, no, I didn't think about this right. And that's okay.

I'll get there. Can I ask about the goal for the draft? Yes. Are these movies that you like or are they flop-tastic? I'm treating this as you want to put together the best collection of movies to you that you can while also abiding by the criteria. So I like that definition and I won't try to disabuse you of it. But I also think if you have a slate that is the floppiest of flop slates,

that's also kind of interesting to me. Like if you want that to be your goal. And then you can make a case for those movies as interesting artifacts of movie history. Sure. I might just take all politically incorrect Flops. Okay. That might be my strategy. There's a few great ones in here.

Yeah. Starting with your hat. Okay. We have a draft order that was recorded by Jack Sanders before he went on vacation. Howard. Here he is. Oh, wow. Producer Jack here to deliver the draft order for the first ever Flops movie draft.

Very excited to give somebody the first overall picture. pick for Babylon. Selecting first. Wow. Sean Fennessey. Oh, there you go. That's big. Go figure.

I already know Bill is going to claim this is rigged. Yeah. There we go. Is selecting second. Good instinct. Okay, not helping. Amanda Dobbins. Oh, interesting.

Okay. Shocker. I promise I don't rig these things. I don't really even see how valuable that would be for me. Selecting third. That's Chris. Bill Simmons Chris Ryan

We'll be drafting fourth Happy drafting Now is there an undisputed Number one overall draft pick here you think? No I don't think so I don't think so And I think that we're probably not even targeting

Most of the same movies Probably not And yet I think there will be I think there will be more arguing About the rules Than about Movies, yeah

theft Yeah Hmm This was tricky This involved, like a lot of actual box office research. Also, I just say to you once again, what have they done to all the box office websites? And then I am redefining in my head what many of these categories mean. And also what my goals are.

Because if you're just going to shoot the moon and do the worst movies. Or am I? I guess we don't know. We'll find out third. But after I pick. You're the tone setter here. Okay. I know what I want to pick.

And I'm pleased about it. I'm going Ebert Zero Stars first, and I'm going with one of my favorite reviews of all time, and I'm selecting Freddy Got Fingered, Tom Green's Star Vehicle, which is a movie I saw in theaters and absolutely loved. I thought was hysterical. Number one. I thought... I mean, here we are. I thought this movie was so stupid and so wonderful, and I'd like to read you a brief passage from Ebert's review to commemorate this first overall pick.

Yeah. This movie doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. this movie isn't the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't below the bottom of the barrel. This movie doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with barrels. That's how he felt about this movie. He fucking hated it.

And he rejected the premise that it was a surreal masterpiece. Right. You know, which was immediately reclaimed as some brilliant revisionist idea. A.O. Scott wrote about this that there was something singular about Tom Green's vision in this movie.

I'm not sure if I even need to present it as just, I think it's really funny when he's... How many times? times have you watched it over the course of your life. I mean, it was on HBO a lot after it came out. Yeah. So 15? I mean, many times. And I've always had a really good time with it. And he basically killed his career. There was a social media clip of Tom Green getting, somebody came on his talk show on MTV and tried to set the desk on fire. And he got mad at the person and it was super awkward. And the tweet was, this is what changed the course of Tom Green's career. We need to have a sense of humor about this. I was good the entire time being against Tom Green

and never thinking he was going to have a group. You were anti. I never got it. I never understood it. I thought he was funny in road trip. That was the one time I thought he was kind of humorous. He wasn't really my bag. Just didn't get it.

You guys are just a little too old. He married very old, right? He did. He did. I logged on for that part of the Tom Green experience. But otherwise, I was a... They were married when this happened. Oh, okay.

That was one of the all-time. This one's not going to last marriages. I can remember between two celebrities. The over-under was a year. But I would say Tom Green's appeal to me in that moment was just a over, not a full circle with Drew Barrymore. And then once he was gone. Have you seen Freddy Got Fingered?

No. He sings a song called Daddy Would You Like Some Sausage? While playing a keyboard that is attached to sausages that are strung throughout his home. And he sings it to Rip Torn, legendary actor. Okay. It's a very special movie. When is it going to be on the rewatchables? Rip Torn has had a lot of things that he's done in his career that he probably

hopes there are copies of. Or that he's like, I don't have any memory of making it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't really there. Okay. That's the first overall pick. I think it would have been available a couple rounds later. Yeah. I'm trying to have fun. I'm trying to have fun here. So now I feel like I should be having more fun. And I guess I'll have a medium amount of fun. So I figured out Starflop where I want to go with this, which is having fun, being true to the, the category and also incredibly eligible. And maybe probably not taking away from anyone else. How do you know? No question mark from Reese Wetherspoon.

Yeah. Killed a few careers. So you're taking that for Starbomb and not $100 million loser? I am. Okay. Yeah. I mean, were you going to take it for $100 million? No, I just thought it was eligible for both.

It's eligible in many categories. But I do think that, I mean, this killed, not killed, but certainly put a pause on and re-tragetaryed Reese Witherspoon's career. James L. Brooks, tough. Romantic comedy, as you can argue, died in this moment. And in fact, the great Amy Nicholson piece, I think it was 2014 about who killed the romantic comedy. How do you know is located as kind of like the great just things not working out despite so much money, so much talent, so much history? I can't say that I enjoy watching this movie.

but there is something about, I like everyone involved, and I'm amused that it happened. It is pop culturally significant. You left out softball. Sure. Softball was a big part of this movie and is, I don't think ever been part of another movie. I think this was the one time and only. This movie ended a lot of things. Yeah, okay.

It's really bad. My wife really wanted to like it and just couldn't get there. What was the Jim Brooks Nick Nolte movie? I'll do anything. I'll do anything this one, how do you know, no question mark, and L. and McKay. A couple of triumperate of unsuccessful movies

that are then dotted with incredibly successful movies around it. Crazy career. This is the last Jack Nicholson part. This is the last performance he ever gave in a movie. He's Paul Rudd's dad. It's 16 years ago he hasn't been in a movie. A historic film in its own way. Good pick.

It's most definitely a, flop. Bill Simmons, you're up. I wore my Indarol hat because I knew we'd be dropping some bombs today. This first pick is not a bomb. Okay.

But it is a kneebird Zero Star Review. I can't believe it's still available. Police Academy. I genuinely like this movie. Me too. The theater. It led to like seven different sequels. And, you know, I get to say this on the rewatchable sometimes.

Raj, fuck off. Zero stars was harsh. Police Academy's solid. The audience laughed. Tackleberry? Yeah. Had some funny moments. Leslie Easterbrook?

He's funny in this movie? Leslie Easterbrook, you say. Leslie Easterbro? Talented lady. Important person of the 80s to a certain demo. Absolutely. She had some skills. Gutenberg, this really launched him to something.

Were you pro Goot? I was. I like Goot. He's funny in this. It was good. Goot had a nice run. Did that cross your path at all? Police Academy Films?

I don't think so. I think, but Gutenberg was one of the three men and a baby. And he was. And he was in Stuyter. Yeah. Michael Winslow doing weird, weird voices. Mm-hmm. He's in this.

It's a solid movie. Yeah. Ebert famously, real blind spot on sophomoric comedies. Yeah, no question. He didn't really get, he didn't get Chris Farley, didn't get Sandler,

he didn't get Police Academy. It wasn't his back. We've done a couple where he just skates. scathing reviews and it's usually raunchy he hates unnecessary kind of veering on the sex side

but in ways that's not really I don't know good intentions he really hates that what is Raj like though you like story and character he loves character

guess we didn't have either of those things police academy do you have a favorite police academy movie Citizens on patrol I was asking me I think one is that number four

Um, that's the one where it's like everybody can be a cop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course you believe it. It's kind of lying as street. Yeah. So I'm going to take that. Okay.

And then, um... You don't have the turn. You don't have the turn. Yeah. Would it mean there's no turn? No, it's Chris's turn. It's my son. You don't have a turn.

Oh, I don't have the turn. You're not on the turn. Damn it. Let's have, uh... Wow, Citizens on Patrol had Leslie Easterbrook and Colleen camp. Pugh. Sheesh. Damn.

And Sharon Stone. My God. What the hell? Important franchise. What is Raj doing? Okay, for Star Misfire. Yeah. You're not going to, you said Starflop.

You're saying Misfire. The name of the category is Star Bomb. Star Bomb. For Star Bomb, I'll do Brad Pitt for the assassination of Jesse James. Wow. Good chance. Which is one of my favorite movies of the century, but also a movie that made $4 million domestically.

What happened? Well, I think Andrew Dominic is a very deliberate director, and it took a while to finish this film and I think Brad Pitt is a hands-on producer and probably worked on it in his deliberate way. And then it turned out that America didn't want to watch

a meditative tone poem scored by Nick Cave about how Casey Affleck was an autistic guy who killed Jesse James, you know, and that is basically what the movie's about. But the cast is dynamite. It's Pitt, Affleck,

Jeremy Renner, Sam Rockwell Zoe Dashnell Barry Lewis Parker Sam Shepard Sam Shepard You can always count on him So this was

Brad Pitt almost Almost immune To bombs I'd say Because he's got a few Yeah I don't know We're gonna find out this fall

Heart of the Beast Time Is that the dog movie? Are you familiar with Heart of the Beast? I am I've been following the Brad Pitt media coverage and 10-Lagher.

He's off the wagon. Yeah, it's tough. That's a real... It's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. Did he come forward to announce that? He did on a podcast, right? He talked about it.

It felt a little... It's a piece for Esquire. It felt a little, I want to jump ahead of something that might come out. Let me plant my flag here now, ish. Could be. Just the theory. Heart of the Beast, will you see it? I'll definitely rent that because I love dogs.

You know a dog guy. The Simmons family loves a dog's purpose. Do you worry about the dog's fate? in a movie? Like, do you have to know that the dog's going to be okay? I'm better with it. My wife wants to know if the dog's going to die before she watches the movie. Yes, a thousand percent, yes. Which must make watching any horror movie impossible because as soon as you see a pet walk across the screen in a horror movie, you're like,

it's gone, it's over for this cat. I mean, where it gets crazy is Mallory not being able to see obsession? Right. Right. That's where... Pretty bad cat stuff in that, though. I totally forgotten about it. It's just a cat sandwich. I liked obsession. Spoiler alert for obsession. 2007, 2008, he had Oceans 13 assassination of Jesse James,

burn after reading, and curious case of Benjamin Button. So he actually tends to bounce back. Yes. You know, like he had... And he's got, let's say... And then in comes money ball. That the dog movie does not do well.

Cliff Booth two months later. Yeah. Another dog movie. I like the Brad Pitt stretch when he's just making really bad movies for like five years. and he has all of a sudden like seven kids and he does

the tourist and all of those there's like a really bad stretch in there is the tourist him or Angelina Jolie? No that's Johnny Depp. What's a two by C? Two by C. Yeah, that's bad. By the C is he and is a fascinating movie

I would encourage other people to watch. It's a bad, but it is so interesting because don't they break up right after that movie? Yeah. Okay, so... I wanted to break up after the movie. Brad Pitt assassination of Jesse James for Starbomb. Good choice.

No argument. there. Here's where I wonder whether I'll get some pushback. So by the letter of the law, I would like to take under $30 million box office mass release. I would like to take Shawshank Redemption. I don't

see the case. I don't think it was characterized as a flop. Both of you leaned back in your chairs as it underperformed. You know, like a double. Made $28.3 million. What was the budget? That's typical of Eagles fan bullshit. Okay. China's search for an edge. trying to search for an edge.

Kind of this push push of drafting. It's like a push push pick. The literal definition. Nobody at any point thought that movie was disappointing or a bomb. And then after got the Oscar nomination, it had a nice route. Much like many films in the 90s

had a second life. I'm not saying it didn't, but in its initial release. I think it's a disgrace to put this in the flop's draft. It's total theatrical gross after the Oscar nominations was $73 million and it was budgeted

at $25 million. Okay, so it made $3 million in its initial release, though. I'm interested in the decisions that we made to put Sean and Bill in matching black shirts on opposite ends in the table.

Facing each other. We will not allow any goals. That can't be in the draft. Okay, we're going to take that off. It's a sensitive one because that's, you know. Take it off the board. And I will keep in mind what you guys just did.

So, moving on, for and when will you have your revenge? Is that what we did? A movie that I liked more in retrospect than I did maybe when I first saw it and I'm happy to take it due to the extent of its losses is Furiosa Mad Max saga. It's lost $123 million. This is definitely eligible. And a pretty much put a bullet in the Mad Max franchise, I would say, for the time being and given George Miller's.

I don't remember when this came out. Two summers ago, right? May 24. Missed it. Anya Taylor, Joy, and Chris Hemsworth. No Tom Hardy in this one, obviously. And George Miller, like, still had it. Still had some incredible tricks in the bag.

But people were, I think, a little bit more sensitive about what they perceived as some CGI stuff. I think ultimately, the film didn't scratch whatever itch people had in terms of it being, like, a quintessential, like, Mad Max revenge story. It wasn't quite that. Yeah, we talked a lot about its underprivile. performance when it came out. And you and I

liked it but didn't love it. And I think it was in that weird zone where it was like nine years after Fury Road, which was both too short and too long a time. Like if it had been three years later, you might have been like, well, Fury Road is this incredible achievement. We need to feed the audience more

quickly or like Fury Road waiting 30 years later to tell to reach that story again. But it kind of felt like just a general audience. But then they recast the entire cast. Yeah. So, So it's long enough that it's not long enough that you have forgotten the cast and can imagine like just like a new world. But you don't bring any warmth of the previous thing.

It's, it was strange. I didn't really understand that movie. Awesome sequences in this. And I actually like the ending quite a bit. I know this is a hotly debated, but I thought the last thing was quite good. Did you see this movie? No. Not a Mad Max guy.

Once we get into three and fourth, third and fourth installments of a movie, you got to really convince me. Yeah. Is cruising on the board here for flaps? I think you could make the case. It's a star bomb. That was my case. I think this was detrimental to Pichino's career. Legitimately bad for Puccino.

Sentiment and tailspins for the entire days. So 1985, so 1985 only counted for a certain demographic of this. Okay. All right. Okay. You really wanted cruising, but you didn't realize it was eligible. I just, I know with interest that Bill is doing this. But I can't have Shawshank, but he can have cruising.

Shoshank was never considered a bomb or fall or bad for anybody. I remember who in the movie theater alone in Florida and be like, where are all the people? Cruising was like, why did Pacino do this? He's getting protested for a year. It sent him back at all these different ways. I think it has to... This is a good star bond pick. Okay, thank you.

Is there anything else you want to say about cruising? I mean... We did a rewatch. It was on it. It was the only 4K Blu-ray that I've spent over $20 on. It came out. It was like 40. Whatever the price was.

It was like, I'm getting this. A wonderful edition from Arrow. Yeah. And thank you to them. Okay. Great, great movie. How many do you own now? When he's dancing.

Okay. Okay, great. cruising's an amazing movie I love that Freakin hated his guts and shit on him after the research for it was great and it's like yet it's like that last era

of the gritty kind of gross New York movies that are basically from 1974 to 1980 where New York just seems like the most fun and dangerous place you could ever go in America yeah and it sends Friedkin kind of into his flop era

You know, where Yeah. Because he's got coming off of sorcerer failing and coming in this movie being so controversial and not doing very well. And then he has kind of an anonymous 80s. Some movies I like, but not a lot of big hits. Star Bomb, do directors count for Star Bombs? I thought about it and I took it off. I feel like that's a whole other pod.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I think so as well. The director movie draft. With the bombs in there. Oh, okay. Create some categories.

Great. Yeah. Don't steal that idea. T.M. Sean Fennacy. He's doing movies. Coppola have two categories for all his bombs? I think, I mean, yeah.

Do a double Coppola category? Okay, Amanda, you have a pick. In films that lost more than $100 million. Another one. Yeah, I will take your friend and your friend, Stephen Spielberg's West Side Story, which lost $104 million. Come on. It's there.

$104 million. Wasn't on my research. Before being adjusted for inflation. Coming out of COVID. Yes. Deep Coming on a COVID. This is a beautiful remake and a beautiful movie. Sean loved it. It's great. It was like I think number three on my list for the year. I was totally blown away by it. And that's as someone who also thinks the original West Side Story film is like one of the great movies ever made. So I just don't understand what happened here besides COVID. And I guess people not caring about West Side Story. If that movie came out right now, I wonder if it does well. I think it would probably benefit that movie to have like a stronger lead actor. It was Ansel El Gore.

And then it was also. And Rachel Zegler, who is amazing and kind of the discovery of Rachel Zegler. Yeah. She's fantastic. Yeah. Mike Feist. But if Tom Holland starred in West Side Story, what would happen? Be a much bigger movie.

Yeah. With a much shorter start. Can he sing? He's going to try with this Fred Astaire movie. Yeah. I guess so. That's true. Well, we know he can't swing a sword.

Okay. But his web slinging is very good. He wasn't allowed. He had to honor Zeus's law. Yeah. Get the spears. Get the swords. Those are my favorite patents and line readings in that movie. He was great.

Really funny. So good. Such a great patents and run right now. It's electric. I'm still going. Still going. Prime time? I'm all in.

June 3? I'm ready. He's just had my soul. He's one of the great movie stars. It would be good when he walked in with the Andrews hat to be like, you see how this looks right? Did you ever watch To Catch a Predator?

The show or the movie? Pattinson's in the movie. Yeah. Have you ever watched the show to catch a predator? It made me feel bad. Yeah. Sure. I don't like content that just makes me like kind of question everything.

That's right. I agree. Yeah. But I did see a couple episodes. Not like drone bombing. Yeah. I did see a couple episodes. I love content that makes me question everything.

Well, it's moved to social media. Yeah, where they just confront people at like 7-Elevens that thought they were meeting, and then they just punched the guy in the face. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Where were you out on bum fights? I didn't care for them. No, I thought that was- morally-reprehensible. What about you, Amanda?

But backyard wrestling, okay. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Sure. Who was the fellow? Kimbo slice? Yeah. Were you interested in his work?

I enjoyed some of the early clips of him knocking people out. Did you like that? Were you into that? I really enjoyed it. Enjoyed his whole career. He was an entertaining character. Did you... Nope.

Again, I was just on a different event. Yeah, no, that's fine. Kimbo Slice was an extremely jacked black guy who was well known for going into backyard huge beard. Huge beard. The shit out of people. Like, unannounced. Sort of.

It was basically the Clint Eastwood Philibetto movie. Okay. Every which way you can. Yep. Okay. Where he would just go challenge people and they'd just fight in like a street or something back yard. And just knock them the fuck out.

It was really, it was quite a time. It was really early internet. Okay. All right, I have a pick, huh? So I've been trying to... I have two picks, yeah. I've been thinking about this really in the spirit of the thing, which is like actually bombed and reviled movies that I like.

That's kind of what I'm trying to do here. So for sub 25% on Rotten Tomatoes, I'm going Congo, which is one of my favorite movies. Frank Marshall directed adaptation of a Michael Crichton novel, right in the absolute peak of Michael Crichton mania. after Jurassic Park. This is a story about a large corporation that sends a team into Africa

to retrieve what they think is going to be some learnings about an ancient guerrilla civilization but is actually on a mission to get very valuable diamonds. On this mission, Laura Linney is heading up the team. She is the daughter of a very powerful leader played by Joe Don Baker. Her husband or boyfriends played

by Bruce Campbell, he's clearly been beaten to death by these evil gorillas. The weak part of the cast is Dylan Walsh. He plays an... Scientist, right? An ape expert who... Ape expert. ...joins this team along with his, I guess, compatriot Amy, who is a gorilla. And Amy is there to bridge the gap between the guerrilla civilizations and to help us learn more about how to communicate with gorillas.

Can kind of see where this is going. Delroy Lindo plays a very powerful... military figure in Africa. Tim Curry plays an expert in ancient civilizations. He's a crazy, like, a goatee in this, right? He does. His name is Harkimer Hamoka. Probably one of the funniest movies ever made. I will watch the entire thing every time I turn it on.

I would kill to do a rewatchable is about this movie. I think it was one of the most fun movies ever made, and it was honestly a loss of innocence when I found out that this movie got terrible reviews. Like, this is a turning point in my life. life when I went to Newsday, the day after seeing the movie opening night, and I saw, it must probably was John Anderson, who was just like, this is despicable tripe and should be deleted from society. And I was like, what? This great film? How could anyone say this about Congo? And to this day, I represent Congo. So that's my pick.

Laura Lini. Okay. I'm a fan. Yeah, you have another one. I got another one. Failed franchise launch. I'm taking Guy Ritchie's the man from on. uncle. Good one. Good one. Which was intended, it is an adaptation of a TV show, of course, and was intended to be this new kind of multi-part star vehicle about these dashing men getting embroiled in crimes and solving

crimes. The only good usage of Henry Cavill, in my opinion, someone who's, I feel like Hollywood is completely misunderstood. I was trying to think, it's always the example that I give when Henry Cavill can do more, and it is the man from uncle. so now I'm trying to think of a second one. He was quite good in Mission Impossible, is he? Yeah, he was good.

He is good in that one. But that's sort of counter-programming where you're like, this is Superman, so we're going to make him a villain, which is an easy move. But, you know, Army Hammer is one of the stars of this movie, which is one of the reasons why this movie never comes up anymore. But it also features Alicia Vakander, Elizabeth Debicki, Hugh Grant, great cast, maybe the last truly great Guy Ritchie movie. I have time for a lot of them.

But this was a movie that was intended to be a big hit and it just was okay. Truly great. I would say... You still keep in touch with Army Hammers here? Who do you... Who runs the Cannibal subreddit? What's that text?

It's probably quiet lately. Yeah. Yeah, it's moved to WhatsApp. Did you ever meet him? I've never met Army Hammer. Have you ever interviewed him? No, never met him. No?

Don't know the man. Tall. Heard he's like 6'5. Did you meet him? No, I just always heard he was tall. Like a tall actor. It's like a tall actor. complete anomaly.

He is in a movie right now that we did not see a review on this show called Citizen Vigilante. But he has disavowed that film. Yeah. Ui Boll is the director of that movie. He said that that's not what Ui Boll told him that was going to be. Which is amazing that you could make a film and then be like, oh, my God. He's back from the Bahamas. That's where he was for a while.

Or Cayman Islands? Camden Islands. Yeah, he was like selling condos. I want you guys to know something. I will definitely see Citizen Vigilante. I'm not paying for it, but when it's free on the cable channel, I will absolutely 100% why. He wants to review later.

Tell me. I'm definitely going to watch that. I love vigilante movies. It's me again? Yes, it's you again. Okay, well, I'm going to put this one to the group, and I think it should be eligible. I'm not doing fraud here,

because it was considered a major disappointment. Or not a major disappointment, but a disappointment. They had bigger goals for it. Didn't know it was a disappointment draft. Well, we'll see. We'll be the deciders. So just to remind you, I was not sitting at the end of the end of it.

the table saying no to Shawshay prediction. If you're going to turn on all of us, this is going to get real lonely for you really fast. I'm not. Okay. This is my favorite James Gray movie in a movie I love, The Lost City of Z, which was launched by Amazon Studios when Amazon was like, we're going to make a lot of big movies. And it's a $40 million budget. I'm okay with this. It made $8 million.

This is a wonderful movie. It also stars Charlie Hunnam. Okay, wow. He's just sitting over here with the little, the lot of it. The line emoji. I think it's great. Oh, sorry, you don't like Lus City of Z now? I love Loss City of Z.

I love Lott City of Z. Our best performance, what could it been if people would give her the kind of roles that James Gray did? Robert Pattinson, also in the mix. Charlie Hunnam. Yeah, and I think Tom Holland, right? Yes, it is Tom Holland.

Decent work? Yeah, he's good. I mean, he's young. Yeah, he's kind of a prep for the Odyssey. This is a beautiful movie. It's an amazing film. I love this movie. Okay.

Thank you so much. I do also remember seeing it alone at the Los Felas Three. $28 million. Okay. So, yeah, you're just showing him box office. Just, yeah. Mojo for Shawshank Redemption. Oh, for Shawshank Redemption? I'm narrating what's happening to the people who are listening at home. 28 million dollars domestically.

And Chris is looking at the numbers. Yeah, but that's under 30. It is under 30, but it's like just barely and it's not a huge movie. Okay, so you should, in the future. But it's in the future. Shawshank. Don't say under 30, say like way under 30. Well, what I said in the introduction was that these were meant to be big studio tent pole movies.

That's not what the Shawshank Redemption is. It's an adaptation of a short story. I didn't draft it under a franchise thing. I drafted it for the $30 million. Yes, I know. Okay. I explained to you what the expectations. Did I not explain what the expectation?

It was a world-wide. It did. Yes. But we weren't doing worldwide. We were doing the most city of Z. He made $19 million. It only made eight in the U.S. It made more in France because they loved.

28 million in 1994. That's pretty good. How often? Often when you're in a fight at home, you say just in the future. Because I just, I'm like, I just transported into your living room and you try to be so big. It is actually a staple. This is so vivid.

And I know. Just in the future. Yeah, I know like it never goes well. I just go, no big deal, but in the future. No big deal. Just know that this is what you're like. I have the half of Fidi just felt my entire body like wake up and get ready to absolutely demolish you. Yeah.

Okay. You're okay? Yeah, I'm doing great. So that's Lost City of Z in less than $30 million. It's domestic. A hundred million dollar loser adjusted. Somehow, Ali is eligible for this. It is eligible.

And I'm going to take it because I love Ali and we just did it on rewatchables. And it's a really good movie. Is it good? Are we sure that it's good? I think it has a couple of the best stretches, which makes it a rewatchable. Yeah. I agree. It really kind of goes off a cliff at a certain point.

It never actually goes off a cliff. Cliff, it's just not as entertaining as I think you want it to be. Narcolepsy, yeah. Just a little dull in the second half. For a Michael Mann movie? Yeah, and for a Muhammad Ali movie.

I think he got overwhelmed by trying to figure out how to tell Muhammad Ali's entire story. He should have Tonyed it. He should have just like picked one thing. Yeah, that would have been a good idea. Did you see Tony yet? No, somehow that didn't work out for me.

Oh. It's a good story. I'll tell you sometime about it. This is a tough, the $100 million loser category is rough. I did not like a lot of the choices, so I want to grab out leave. It's challenging.

I think what it requires for the most part is a reclamation saying, like, I actually really like this movie. It is interesting that this movie did not do well. Yeah. I don't know if it necessarily should be considered a flop, but it definitely lost more than $100 million. So I guess that's something. Not the only Michael Mann movie to say that, by the way.

No, there's a couple of Michael Bands out here. Probably coming. Why don't we take one right now? Okay, go ahead. Oh, that's your turn? So for the aforementioned $30 million category, $30 million domestic wide release, I'll take Black Hat.

There you go. I think Bill and I contributed most of its domestic box office, personally. We've even saw it together. Since sustained its home video and physical media releases. Also, thank you, Arrow. But I still... Could this have been $100 million, too?

Did this lose $100 million adjusted? They didn't have an exact figure for this one, but it was anywhere between like $92 and $150 million. He just started shooting in China at one point. Yeah. Yeah. He just gave zero fucks. But then there's also that weird moment where when we watched it in the theater, there was still a Getty images watermark on one of the shots of the nuclear reactor.

So it's like, on one hand, he's like blowing all this money on the other hand. You forgot to pay the Getty license. Anyway. Have you seen Black Hat? No, but I have listened to the rewatchables Black Hat episode in full at least once and maybe twice. Because that's like, that's when you guys are really cooking, you know? You have to see it five times to understand what happened. And once you see it the fifth time, it all clicks for the rest of the term.

When you hear old baseball announcers, like, if you ever hear like a tape of Vince Scully or somebody and they're just like beautifully describing the action, that's what I did with the Black Hat director's cut before it was ever available. I did it based on memory from FX broadcasting it once. So you told yourself this is what the DC is. Yes. Okay, okay. It also has a hilarious Chris Hemsworth performance that ties into the rewatchability of the movie. He tries to do a, what was it, a Chicago accent or a Brooklyn accent? Yeah, he's trying to do the Neil McCauley accent.

He's just trying to be. And nobody said, dude, just be Australian. Yeah. But he's just really committed to, he's talking like this, like Segal. Time's look. Could you give me a one-sentence description of what happens in the film? Oh, man. Oh, a hacker brings down a nuclear plant.

And then the only person who's good enough to catch him is another hacker. Yeah. And the other hacker is Chris Ham's. Why does he take down the nuclear plant? To hold the world hostage. But isn't it something about money, about betting, betting against that? Do you say it in one sentence? Is he shorting it?

Yeah. Yes. Sean. To catch a hacker, you have to be a hacker. Yeah. That's the premise. You said one sentence. I don't think you got it in totality.

Do you want me to get into like the Chicago mercantile market? Yeah. Yeah, but that's not a sentence. Well, it's just going to be a long sentence. Sure, add some clauses. Black Hat's elite. Good choice of here today. That's cute.

No, it's a great pick. Thanks. It's not a great movie, but it's a great pick. It definitely fits the bomb-flop category, too, because I don't think anyone ever gave Michael Man that amount of money again to make a movie. Yes, they did. They gave him $95 million to make Ferrari. That's so much for our cost.

And that's what I thought he might go. And so we've got Ali and Ferrari and Black Hat on the ledger, and still, And I don't think public enemies made a lot of money, right? It did better. Okay. It did better. Sean, did you think about having an entire category for Adam Driver movies or no? Well, we'll see.

You know, he's going to be an ex-men villain. So I think everything's going to be all right on Adam Driver Island. Are you anti-Adam Driver? I'm a results guy, Amanda. Okay. I'm learning that. Everyone's a while you got to have a hit. You got to have a winning season.

He took a lot of chances. On paper have made sense. And also, he was Kyle Renn in the Star Wars. Have you seen the new Star Wars? 65. 65. I didn't hate it. Yeah.

It's not. It's fine. Yeah, it was fine. It's fine. You didn't see that. 65. Yeah. And 65 refers to...

65 million years ago. These, see. Yeah. Where are you on... But is it? I believe so. No, I know, but... Is it a twist?

I wasn't to answer. Like, at the ending. It doesn't set up. Let's not spoil 65 for the millions and millions listening at home. We've never seen it. Where are you on girls right now? The Renaissance is trying to...

happen. Yeah. It's trying. It's trying. Yeah. It's been interesting with my daughter's generation. It's not 100% caught on. Driver and Chris Abbott were cast in the X-Men movies.

Yeah. So for girls fans, something is happening. I feel like it's still like two years too soon. I think like 2009, I think it really, we're not enough nostalgiae away from it. I mean, that'll be 20 years. Yeah. 2012 it starts. No.

I think, yeah. I wrap that. You need about 15 years. Is it girls on Netflix yet? Or did it ever have a Netflix run? So that's when it will probably take off. Because Sex and the City had a whole revival when Netflix ran it. Yeah.

All right, Sierra, I think you have another pick. I do. And for a failed franchise, I'm going to take Master and Commander, which was supposed to launch the Patrick O'Brien, Jack Aubrey. Franchise. And it's just like they all loved making it. Peter Ward did an incredible job.

Everybody was hopeful that they were going to keep making these movies. Concepcion loves that movie. I mean, it's one of my favorites. So really too bad because these would have been fantastic and it still stands as like an terrifically entertaining blockbuster. I'm going to take another

Ebert Zero Star off the board because I don't really like the selections. What a movie called The Hitcher? Yeah, I was surprised to see that this got zero stars. Rucker Howard, Jennifer Jason Lee. Wait, did you already take Police Academy? Oh, you did.

Oh, yeah. You're double-drafted. You're not only allowed one? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I thought I had to draw. draft a couple. No, one per category. Oh, then I'm not taking the hitcher.

Somebody might want it in the future. Would you like to hear anything from the review of the hitcher that he were wrote? So this is a lot easier if we only have to do one. I thought we had to do like six. I got to read the direction. Wait, did you have a head injury? We don't draft 12 times. I was all excited. I was excited to really get into this.

Here's what Raj had to say in his closing paragraph about the hitcher. But on its own terms, this movie, is diseased and corrupt. I would have admired it more if it had found the courage to acknowledge the real relationship it was portraying between Howell and Rutger, but no, it prefers to disguise itself as a violent thriller. And on that level, it is to me, reprehensible.

You're such a moral king. Yeah. It was very important to him. Unless it was like this movie was entertaining. All right, so I'll do for failed franchise launches. Does next karate kid count? I say no. I say no. I say no.

I say no because it is essentially a sequel. Part of the sequel thing? Yeah. All right. Back to the drawing board. Okay. Oh, man. There's so many good Rotten Tomato 25 and unders.

It's a smorgasbord. I'm going to take 8mm. Okay. Yes. First of all, outrageous that this is under 25 on Rotten Tomatoes. You people are all. What's the popcorn meter on this one?

Absolutely outrageous. I'm not affiliated with Rotten Tomatoes. You people. I'm not on the tomato eater. These are people you sit with at screeners. They should all be ashamed. It's at 52%. So it's still the tipped over bucket of popcorn.

It's not an upright bucket of popcorn. It's an upright bottle of popcorn when Bill watches it. That's exactly right. There's about 45 minutes of this movie that is like maybe the best 45 minutes of the 90s. As soon as Joaquin Phoenix shows up, this movie takes off. We should make Amanda watch this. I actually think you. You would like it.

It's just like a... Did you say Wachian Phoenix? I'm in. Amanda. You're going to see some things. You can't unsee. Yeah. It's an actual quote from an elevator.

I believe that. So we have to go into the darkest part of the sex movie world. Yeah. I couldn't recommend this movie more highly. Nick Cage, right as it's starting to flip for him. He's just starting to get pretty weird. Machine played by Chris Bauer, an all-time that guy. with an all-time performance.

Gandalfini, as scummy and horrible as has ever been in a movie, which is saying something because he fights Patricia Arquette and true romance. It might actually be worse than this movie. Stormer. And then Stormer, our guy playing Dino Velvet. And then the guy from Sonsle of the Lambs, the doctor, the evil doctor, he's in this too. Okay. Yeah. And then sadly, Catherine Keener just is on the phone for like five scenes.

Yeah. And she's like, honey, not going to be home for two more weeks. And she's just like holding a baby. It's one of those performances. Yeah. Joel Schumacher is one of the most interesting people in the history of movies. This is his run in the 1990s. Flatliners dying young, falling down, the client, Batman Forever, A Time to Kill, Batman and Robin, 8 millimeter, flawless.

What's flawless? That's Philip Seymour Hoffman and Robert. De Niro. Philip Seymour Hoffman. They play neighbors. It starts to the plane crash. That's fearless. That's fearless.

That's fearless. What's flawless? Flawless is like a dromody about a gay man living next door to an old crank. And like they learn to love each other. I missed that one.

Really? Yeah. I've never heard of this. Really? Yeah. Hoffman plays a drag queen and like De Niro is injured in some way and he has to help take care of him.

Oh, is he like an ex-marine or something like that or like an ex-cop? He's like, oh, God, damn it. That's Linus you're thinking of. They're all active Marines. Okay. I think Amanda has a pick? I think so. I'm going to take the remaining film that I'm the most passionate about.

So in failed franchise launch, I'm taking salt from 2010 starring Angelina Jolie. Give me salt too. They set it up right at the end. She's in the forest. She's still got the bad wig. There's so much room to cover. Let's go. Would you reboot Salt with a contemporary way or actress?

Great pick. Let her get Angelina, Ian Salt, too. She can do it. Salt, colon, pepper. There we go. And who's playing Pepper? Penelope Cruz. I was going to say Guineatho.

But, yeah, there we go. Wow. Yes, I'm thinking ahead. This is a wonderful film that I believe our producer, Jack Sanders, still has not seen. That's okay. I'm trying to make it a thing on the big picture, but right now it's just me being like salt was a...

It's totally okay. Average thriller. I'll tell you, though, I rewatched it a couple months ago just to see if my memory held up. And Zach was just like poking his head in the other room being like, maybe I'll sit down and watch a little bit of this with you. And I don't really get him joining in that many of the rewatches. Did they make a second wanted?

I don't think so. She has a few of those. I actually have wanted on my long list for failed franchise launch. Sounds good. Angelina as an action star just never really got tapped into correctly. Yeah. I thought in gone in 60 seconds, she's just absolutely elite. What was the other one when she tried to become a...

See the Tomb Raider films? Yeah, the Tomb Raider one she did. There was one more she did too. The Firewatch one? I just thought she was really believable in all... Because she was tall and she was athletic. Yeah. She's perfect.

Too bad. She didn't want it. She didn't want it. She just wanted to have kids and have like six kids. Yeah. Just trape them around. trape some drapes and around

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gosh better look at this doc see where we're at saw it was really strong that should have been a franchise so I need less than 30 million domestic star bomb and lost 100

million. I think we should add a wildcard category. We can if you'd like. Okay. Right now? No, no, just for 100 million losers club. Again, this is cheating a little bit the way that Amanda did with COVID, but I'm going to do it anyway, and I'm going to pick the last duel. Speaking, it's Ridley Scott Week. No, that's fair. Here on the big picture. Yeah.

This is a Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Jody Comer vehicle about a violent sexual act told from three different perspectives in medieval times and is honestly a corker, like a really, really, really entertaining movie. Really well made.

Oh my gosh. Nicole Hollisenter co-wrote the screenplay with Affleck and Damon. And I thought it was like a pretty slick and smart movie. And after I saw it, I was like, oh wow, Oscar time for the boys. They're back. This is great. Ridley's going back. And then nobody fucking saw it.

And nobody cared about it. And it even got some reviews. They were like, this film is insensitive. And I was like, it's the exact opposite of that. This is one of the only thought-provoking versions of a story like this ever made. So I'm a big fan of this movie. That was 21? It was the same year. He got pushed a little too because of COVID.

And it's the same year's House of Gucci, which got absolutely pillory critically. And I feel like they kind of got lumped together. And the last duel is obviously superior. I loved it. It was really bad. I mean, it's silly. Last duel is a classic wrong time movie. Yeah.

If it comes out in 2011, I think it does really well. I think if it comes out right now it does really well. but it was like the dead center of the Me Too era. It's right after COVID. I just thought people didn't want to go see a movie like that. It was attempting to address a lot of what was in the culture, but it actually isn't what people wanted to go to the movies for. No, nobody's going to the theater for that.

But now I think maybe in IMAX, I think they would have redone things differently. And I think that movie could have been a big movie. It's good. It's a good movie. We got to get some of our brightest minds on... By the way, Adam Driver's in that movie. Yeah. Identifying how much money...

There you go. Scott has lost since the Martian. Like on all of his projects, because it's Covenant, which I love, all the money in the world, last dual house of Gucci, Napoleon, Gladiator 2 in the upcoming dog stores.

So that is an incredible run of films, regardless of how they did, are all very expensive. It's true. All the money in the world is also really good. I like that movie. It's pretty good. It's pretty good for a movie

that had to surgically implant Christopher Plummer into it. Yes. One of the most famous reshoes of all time. And he was like, I can still make my date. He chose to delete Kevin Spacey. Yes, that was amazing.

When he did it in like 14 days and then they finished the movie in time. I really respect that movie because the degree of difficulty had to have been like a 9.95 to do it on time. You were still on Walberg Island back then too, though? He could do no wrong. Were you out on Walberg these days? Ben and I just watched The Departed and he's so good in that on Back In. Yeah, sure. It's like the best he's ever been.

You know why? Because he embraced that he's a fucking asshole from Boston. He was like, this is who I am. And he fucking crushed it. He's so good. in it. It's true. Dobbins, you got another pick. Oh, I do? Wait, did you do two? I only did one, my bad.

Okay, so I've got less than 30 million domestic and Starbomb. In Starbaum, I'm just going to go with an all-time classic. I'm going to do Ishtar. Okay. So, great pick. You know, one of the most oft-sighted,

I think wildly misunderstood movie, and a movie that I think was damaged by the pre-release press, which is something that started to happen more and more in the early 19- 80s. And of course, Warren Beatty didn't make very many movies. So anytime he made a movie, there was a lot of scuttlebut about it. And interesting movie in that like Beatty and Dustin Hoffman, the two stars are kind of like sort of flip parts. And they're playing kind of the inverse

of each other. Right. And big mistake. You know, it maybe doesn't work as well as it could have. Features my goat, Charles Groden and one of his best performances. He's hysterical in this movie. He's the CIA guy or something. Yeah. Elaine May, very, very, very funny director and writer of the movie. And it got a really bad reputation. and got really bad press. It didn't do like that bad at the box office. It made like 20-something million, but it was expected to be huge

because it's this big international shoot traveling to Africa. But I think it's pretty funny. And I think the song and dance stuff between the two of them is pretty good. So it's one of those things where like you come to it with the lowest of expectations

when it's a historical flop. And then you're like, this is the movie that was the biggest problem in Hollywood. You know, it's interesting about that movie. You know, I've talked about sometimes when people reach that stage of their career where they've been successful

and then there's the undercurrent and people are just like, ah, fuck that guy. And they're kind of waiting for to jump. This movie had two people at the same time and fuck that guy kind of range, right? Hoffman's coming off Kramer versus Kramer kind of an notorious prick behind the scenes.

People are waiting for him. And then Warren Beatty had just been super successful over and over again, defied expectations. So the claws were out waiting for this to be a bad movie and it was expensive. There's been a lot of good stuff written about it. Yeah. Like Warren Beatty had the

biography written about him. There's like a huge chapter about a man. Any Hollywood book? Was there an Ishtar book? No, but there's been a lot of different... Was there a podcast? I think there may have been a podcast about the making of Ishtar that came out a few years ago. But the chapter in Star

the Peter Biscan book about Beatty is really, really good. The other thing is that it's... It basically killed Elaine May's career as a movie director. She was the one who really took the brunt because three years later, Beatty bounces back with a move that we think is relatively

modern, but he's like, he made a comic book movie. He made Dick Tracy to kind of reclaim his bankability and recover from this in a super smart way. And Dick Tracy's great and really interesting in a lot of ways. And then Bullworth? And then Bullerf, which is also... The title was another one. Ishtar just just sounds like it should be a bomb. Because there's been

other bombs. Like, I love trouble was a bomb, but I love trouble as fun to say as Ishtar. But it's... But they're both great pun, like Mishhtar, like that was a very easy joke to make about the movie. Just like, I Love Trouble is like, nobody loves I love trouble, you know? I was definitely aware that Ishtar was a bomb when I was a kid. It's pretty funny. This was like the Kramer versus Kramer dad and the guy from Heaven can wait or in a movie and nobody likes it.

And then it did become shorthand for this movie. Yeah. This is doomed. Exactly. That's a good pick. Okay. Amanda, you're up. Okay.

This is a personal pick. This is meaningful to me. So from Ebert Zero Stars. I will take North, the 1994 Rob Reiner film at which I celebrated my 10th birthday. This was my go to the movies with a group of people. And we selected North, I think, because it was four children. And also because the last Rob Reiner movie before that was a few good men, which is one of the great movies of our time. It's not good.

I rewatched some of it yesterday. And it's pretty embarrassing. and culturally insensitive. I will say that the bad guy, aka the 10-year-old kid, his friend who's setting him up on this journey across the world, make some good points about old people

and parents just, you know, not understanding and needing to get out of the way and let kids do their own thing. But, you know, I was there. I was 10. What else can I say? I have a fun. It's a great cast.

This is your Congo. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good, but I had a nice birthday, I think. The casting mistake was putting the two of them together from Seinfeld as a couple. Yeah. I just think that that was, people were already like, wait, what's going on? They're going to be married in this?

That was bad. And then the movie was bad. Yeah. It wasted a lot of good talent. It's a notorious film for a variety of reasons. I mean, it's Rob Reiner's streak coming to an end. Yeah. This is Spinal Tap, The Sure Thing, Stand By Me, Princess Bride, when Harry Met salary,

misery, a few good men all in a row, which obviously he celebrated him after he passed away and just that incredible series of movies. And this is really the movie. He does bounce back with the American president right afterwards, which is huge for you. But... When's CR streak can end? What's going to be his north?

What do you mean? You keep talking about this. Like the Sixers didn't get their fucking heads blown off in the playoffs by the New York Knicks. What streak is he on? He traded for Jalen Brown. Everybody thinks CR's on a streak. Manner knows. You see him get shut down with Shawshank? We were like, nope.

If this was really CR's year, wouldn't you've gotten that over the line? No, the reason why people actually like me is because I'm like, all right, no big deal. That's probably true. I'd like throw the microphone in the air, walk out. The other thing is that this is the meanest review ever written. In the first paragraph of this review, Roger Ebert writes, North is one of the most unpleasant, contrived, artificial cloying experiences I've had at the movies. To call it manipulative would be inaccurate.

It has an ambition to me to manipulate, but it fails. That's the first paragraph. And was read at the Rob Reiner roast As a way to roast Rob Reiner Yeah, one of the comedians went up And just read the Eber review It's a pretty impressive deconstruction of why the movie doesn't work

But also a very notable and important flop Yeah It is also a little... Do you ever wonder, like, reading all these reviews? He has, he had preferences for sure But like sometimes you're like What was going on with Roger that day? All the daily critics you like...

You know, I get it. I mean, we've all been there, right? I know for a fact It would be like there's no parking You know I had to pee Missed a major part of the movie Came back you know But also like you know

Other things have happened in life And you have 45 minutes To write this entire thing before You gotta go pick your kid up or whatever I'm like dad let's go Yeah exactly But sometimes as you said with that Canby review it can have an amazing knockdown effect

It can be just had a bad day And he thought Heaven's gate was too long And then all of a sudden everybody followed suit What did my dad do to the leprechaun franchise You know? Well I honestly think it's still going I think there are like seven or eight installments of it.

My next pick is for the less than 30. So many good choices for this. I was prepared to make six picks in this category as I continue to misunderstand the draft. It came down to a couple of these we've actually done on rewatchables. But I'm going to take Man Hunter. A movie that weirdly was considered

kind of a bomb when it came out and kind of hurt Wayne Peterson's career. and then it sent Michael Mayne a little bit of a tailspin. I think the studio thought it was going to do better. And now 40 years later, it's considered a masterpiece. So there you go. That's a recurring theme for my list. I guess movies that I like more than what the reception was.

But there's some unbelievable candidates. At the end of this, I'd like to, unless we do a wild card, there's some really good candidates for this one. There's movies that just didn't make money that you look at the numbers and you're like, Jesus. Where do you stand on directors going into their older films like Michael Mann has been doing and James Cameron's been doing and tweaking it with the physical media. Okay. It's terrible.

I agree. Trying to think if there's a good case for it. If like Joe Mazzola was like, I'm going to tweak the 2004 finals. So Jason looks a little better in it. Don't you think that's what they're trying to do right now? Maybe. After we Trojan horse Jalen are the Sixers. No, I don't like it.

I heard you run on PG now. You feel like it's a good idea? I'm just getting there. Enjoy that. Getting there with Paul George. Here's where I would say, I'm okay with tweaking a movie. Yeah. That's the funniest thing I've ever seen.

Good stuff, Bill. Thank you. Where's Paul George? Here's where I'm okay with the tweet. When we can do stuff like in the original Rocky, when it's clear, they do the wide shots and it's clearly there's 50 people because they couldn't afford extras. Right. But you're putting in CGI extras?

Yes. No. Why not? Because the CGI crowd extras are the single worst technology thing that's happening to the movies. Whatever we need to do to make it or darkening or however. It just looks like. Do a crowd scene or whatever. One of the worst editions of that is in the Ridley Scott film Exodus Gods and Kings,

which I saw very memorably the morning after a Grantland holiday party and was supposed to meet Rember Brown there to see it at the arc light. And Rember did not show up. Wasn't that Prometheus that we wouldn't saw? That was me and you and Andy saw Prometheus. after a Grandland party and then two years later his next film was Exodus Gods and Kings

and Rem stood you up He stood me up yeah an hour and a half into the movie he texted me sorry dog I don't think I'm gonna make it That sounds like Rembrand Yeah I'm okay with like tweaks

as long as they're not actual tweaks like changing scenes cutting scenes I'm against that Are you what are your stance here? I don't like it especially with films that mean a lot to me I understand

like Cameron's drive to perfect certain special effects that he has there but when it gets to Fincher removing like dust from people's classes lenses I just don't understand like they did Stallone did a Rocky 4 re-edit

as you know I'm probably Rocky 4 is probably one of the 12 movies I've seen the most times I refuse to watch it but I think man took stuff Ryan's out of Manhunter I believe is what people are saying okay

I'm up for so what do I have left here? I think you have sub 25% rotten tomatoes and Ebert zero stars. So you avoided the critical drubbing. Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do here is in Ebert. I'm going to take one of the harshest reviews I've ever read, which is for Wolf Creek, an early 2000s horror movie from Australia,

directed by Greg McLean. And I recently showed this to a couple of teenagers who we usually, watch horror movies together? Where'd you pick them up? Where did they come from? Jesus. Cruising the local mall.

My friend's daughters who we usually watch like faces of death. Like we've watched a bunch of horror movies. And we were like casually... What's going on right now? My friend has like teenage daughters that when we go to Oregon

we hang out with. Oh, got. Gotcha. And then we usually watch horror movies. Like we've watched Blair Witch. We've watched movie. And then I was like, oh yeah, I think like Wolf Creek

would be really good. And we watched Wolf Creek. And like when the, when Wolf Creek Creek gets dark, they were like, do you like this? Is this what you watch? And I'll tell you why. Here's Roger Ebert's review of Wolf Creek. I had a hard time watching Wolf Creek.

It is a film with one clear purpose to establish the commercial credentials of its director by showing a skill at depicting the brutal tracking torture and mutilation of screaming young women when the killer severs the spy of one of his victims and calls her a head on a stick, I wanted to walk out of the theater and keep on walking. Look, when you take a lot of vet bats, sometimes you're going to strike out, you know? And that's what happened with me

at the time I showed teenagers Wolf Creek. But it doesn't mean it's a bad movie. And part of what's going on in this review is Ebert's like, this has 82% on the tomato meter, and everybody who thinks it's good is like a sexual criminal.

But, you know. And you join their like. Did we all do zero star reviews? for Ebert at this point? I think we did. Yeah. Yes. Because I thought it was notable.

He's done, what, 76 total? Yeah. He gave zero star reviews to both versions of I spit on your grave. Yes. Yes. He was just out. He didn't like the saw type of movies. He didn't like the sexual depravity horror movies.

That's right. All that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He famously hated slashes. He really didn't like very many slashes at all. And especially slashes that were very gore-centric. And obviously, Wolf Creek is very, very.

gnarly. The theaters are crowded right now with wonderful, thrilling, funny, warm-hearted, dramatic, artistic inspiring, entertaining movies. If anyone you know says this is the one they want to see, my advice is don't know that person anymore. Wow. And that was what those teenagers said to you. Yeah.

But they're all, like, they're like, let's watch like this like Japanese mental asylum, like movie. Like, it's like they throw. If Ebert had been a serial killer, it would have been. in the greatest cover-up, right? Like, he said, look at all these things I wrote about these type. But meanwhile, he was like cruising the Pacific Northwest. Did you see that there was a house that the alleged Zodiac Killer used to stand is for sale in L.A.?

It's pretty expensive. It's 1.5. Zodiac Killer House for Sale. Wow, real estate corner. Where is this? I'll grab it. Okay. I'll grab it.

I'll send you later. But anyway. The best one was that one near Dodger Stadium on the cliff that Danny Trao died in heat. Oh, my God. when that was for sale. Other than the Bougainites' house, that was the one I probably stared at the longest on record. You believe we don't work out of West Covina at this point?

I mean, even I... Yeah. Oh, and I have sub-25% on rotten tomatoes. Don't do you like this, Neal. And it's hard to imagine fall, because it's 96 degrees here in Los Angeles. It's so hot. It's hard to imagine Halloween almost being upon us.

But when it is, one of my favorite traditions is to watch Friday the 13th part four, the final chapter. Did it turn out to be the final chapter? No. Why are you trying to make that sound like you were Mr. Rogers? Which category is this? What is 25? Yeah. One of my favorite traditions is to break out the old coffee mug.

I actually do 20 minutes on this right now. The hospital? Friday 13th, part four. Yeah. Corey Feldman. Yes. Lawrence Monison, the kid from Last American Virgin, one of the worst performances of all time.

Glover's in this. Crispin Glover's in this one. It's awesome. The last 25 minutes of this movie is actually legitimately good, in my opinion. I mean, I think the first 40 minutes of it in the hospital are incredible. It turns out the ending, they kill Jason, but Corey Feldman as a 10-year-old kills Jason. He shaves his head to freak out Jason.

And then at the end, he's hugging his sister. and he kind of like, and he has a crazy look. And he becomes. And you feel like the torch has passed to Cordy Feldman. And then in part five, they completely forgot about it.

Just go back to Jason. Wait, I thought we cut his head off. Do you like final chapter? Yeah, I do. I think I like five a little bit more. But five, like, he does appear at the beginning of five, New Blood. Yeah.

Feldman? Yeah, he's like, so they don't totally erase the ending, but they just like elide what they were intending to do, which is actually the idea that Halloween kind of does. that, like, you know, Michael's spirit kind of goes into another character. Yeah, I don't know. These movies, though, the tricky thing about these movies is, this is definitely a critical flop,

and these movies are getting their asses kicked by critics. But, like, this movie did pretty well. It made, like, $30 million. You know, like, they were, for Hot Minif, they were bulletproof. And then they just died. Like, by the time you do Jason Takes Manhattan, it's over. Like, you can't make them anymore. I know.

They've got a prestige TV adaptation of it coming soon called Crystal Lake with Linda Cardellini. about the Pamela Vorhe's prequel story? This was the last one because there has not been it was rebooted in 2009 by your boy Marcus Nispole and there has not been a Friday the 13th thing for 17 years and almost everything else

has had at least one reboot or adaptation from all the classic horror movies. There's an unbelievable clip that's on social media sometimes of when Jason went on Arsenio Hall show. Did you ever see this? No. He's on for five minutes and Arsenio just keeps asking questions

and Jason's just like, just staring at a breathing. Was it Kane hotter than who played the Jason the most? Yeah, it was the actual guy. And Arsenio's going with the bit. And every time the audience is laughing, he goes the next thing. And then he's like, I think you brought a clip. And the guy's like, jehu.

And they show the clip and it comes back. It's honestly great. Who would you, who would be your dream slasher guest to have on BS? Oh, Myers. Myers. I don't know the answer to that one. Yeah, Myers would be great. What about you, Wolf Creek guy?

Well, we did, when we did a Halloween form, rewatchables. That was kind of the end of these movies. And they kept making them for the next eight years, but they just diminished returns. They tried like the Rob Zombie and Marcus Nispell run. Yeah, because we had that error ended, then

scream rejuvenates everything. Now we have like the TV actors. We get five years out of that and then it gets dark. It gets in a CR territory. Marcus Nisbell Friday of 13th is good. Okay. Bill's up. Bill, you've got to pick. This is my least

favorite category was failed franchise launches. Well, you should take insult. I had a lot of issues trying to even figure out what one was, but is Popstar considered? Did they think they were going to make a bunch of those? Or was that a one and done?

With Andy St.berg? No, I don't think the intention was for it to be a franchise. But you want pop star, so you're trying to find another place to put it. If it didn't bomb, it probably would be a franchise. How about Josie and the Pussy cats? Now, that is eligible. Sure.

I'm going to take that. Interesting. Yeah. The anti-corporate girl group semi-satire from the filmmaking team behind Can't Hardly Wait. Yeah. Right on, Bill. I'm going to take that one. Wow.

Damn the man. Saw, honestly, pretty solid movie. Yeah, not bad. I like this movie. Pretty fun. Parker Posey and Alan Cumming having a lot of fun in it. Yeah. Who is it?

Terror Reed? It's, it belongs to a specific time. of pop culture. Yeah. With Maxa Magazine and Carson Daly on the MTV show and all of those things. And it just kind of, the Scooby-Doo movies like that, too, just kind of fits in. Awesome. Great cast.

Great cast. This movie's not bad. Watched it with my daughter a few times back in the day. It's got a little cult now. It's got, it's a big. Oh, for sure. Isn't it getting rebooted again? Maybe.

I don't know. But it's like... It was also a cartoon when I was a kid, which is how I got to know it. Okay. Amanda, you've got one. One more picked, and I guess two more if we're going to do a wild card. Oh, right. Okay.

Well, I have sub-25% on Rotten Tomatoes left. And, you know, I don't know what you guys have been talking about for the last five minutes, but that's okay. Because this is where the, like, the tastes vary and so. Do you mean because of Friday the 13th part four of the final chapter? Exactly. Right. You guys were kind of getting into the lore, and I think that's. Do you want to talk about Philly Sportswise to try to tilt the sawback?

Yeah, do you have any feedback on that? You're feeling good about LeBron? Yeah, I'm feeling good about LeBron. I've watched some tape. It looks pretty good. How you feeling about the new offensive coordinator and his zone block running scheme? That hasn't made it to me yet, which is really good. But it's only because we did institute it.

Zach is very respectful about he won't tell me about the Eagles game or what's going on unless I ask. Right. And otherwise he keeps it to himself. And I haven't asked about the new offensive coordinator yet. Zone blocking is in this year. Okay, what is that? You do the offensive line moves in concert in specific ways. Okay.

The running back instead of freelancing follows a specific direction. Okay. I mean, that seems, why wouldn't you do that normally? It's hard. It's hard. Really hard to pull off. Yeah. Yeah, hard to pull off.

Okay. But there's more accountability in man to man. It's just like, are you better than the guy in front of you? Okay. Well, I in general think that people should be rethinking their offensive line. So it just kind of feels like if you had not lost down, then, you know, no one can do anything else. I don't really understand why there's not more attention paid to it.

But anyway. Billy's playoff games coming soon too. I know, but that's, I mean, and then they forget how to do everything. It's fine. True story, though. True story, though, on our seven-hour flight back from the East Coast, my two-year-old son stood up on the middle of the seat and yelled at the top of his lungs, Goberts.

Did people applaud him? I think they were just laughing and hoping he would go asleep. But he just yelled, go birds as, loud as he possibly can. Because Zach was watching preseason. Yeah. Yeah. And Sye knew what was up.

Okay. Anyway, I have a different interest set than you guys. So my sub-25 list is long, but it does not include any Friday the 13th movies. I'm going to go with my heart, though, on it. Most of these movies are from the heart for me, but I was shocked and appalled to learn that sister act too back in the habit only has 19% on. Wow. It only has 19%. She loves the Sister Act franchise.

What is going on? Lauren Hill, Sterling Performance. Are you kidding me? I went back and rewatched the finale yesterday and started crying once again. Joyful, joyful with Janet Jackson interpolated in. Come on. This is a beautiful movie. The girl, Maggie Smith, produced by Scott Rudin.

Listen, this is a great film. I really don't think it deserves the 19%. It's just Whoopi Goldberg sharing the joy of music with young kids. What's wrong with that? This movie was a huge hit. They made $125 million. Yeah, because we know what's up. What was going on in, like, culture and society

that people were so against it? I don't know. What year did it come out? 1993. The Oh, happy day scene? Come on. When he hits the hideout? I mean, this is absolutely beautiful stuff. People loved would be Goldberg for years. Yeah.

Not anymore? Bankable A-plus list movie actress. She was. For like seven years. All right. Have you seen Sister Act 2 back in the habit? I don't think so, actually. Wow. Okay. I just, but can I send you?

the YouTube clip of Lauren Hill. Are you serious? Yeah, I'm sorry. But so you don't know about, so at the end, Lloyd Hill. But Lauren Hill, it's actual Warren Hill, she wants to be in the music group. And then her mom won't let her. And then she almost drops out, but they go to the competition anyway. And then she has a beautiful solo.

And then it just turns into a whole product. It's so beautiful. I didn't know Lauren Hill was in it. So that makes me want to see it now. I actually didn't know Lauren Hill. I like Lauren Hill. Really? Yeah.

It's right at the, I think it's the same year of the first Fuji's album. Yeah. Which has like vocab on it. Not the one with Fuji law on it. Anyway, less than 30 million domestic. The thing is still on the board, you guys. That took Manhunter.

The thing made $3 million. The thing was a huge bomb. Why are you shaking your head like this? I mean, what year did the thing come out? You aren't cheating. Yeah, you did say 85 to 85. Yeah. Yeah.

It's your podcast. That's true. You did actually. Did I do it? This is a cheats. And it's literally written in the... You're right. I take it back.

My bad. My bad. I made that mistake. But you know what? I'm happy giving it to you. Our black hat... So you have to 2005 right now. But I think that was a typo.

It was basically 85. I took it as 85 on. Okay. Oh, so when it's written down, but you guys do it, it's okay. But when I do it is not okay. It was a typo. Did we clarify that? Yeah.

Sometimes I have typos, eh? They're also... This category. got changed but not restated within the official communication. I should have taken the timeline off of it completely. I sometimes notice typos in your docks and I'm like, oh,

fastball's going a little bit. Someone's not paying attention to the details like you used to, yeah. I can't deny it. I'm definitely losing a step, you know? It happens. It's your show, big guy. I'm like, I'm falling off the cliff. I turn 44. It comes for the best of us. It's like 48.

How old were you when you had the age? HBO show. 44. No. No, I was, I think I was 46. 2016? Yeah, 46.

Was he? Yeah. You were? Yeah. Because remember when you came in the office and you're like, guys, I figured out why I can't see. I had the wrong contact lenses. That was like the most, the biggest moment.

It wasn't just that I couldn't see. I thought I had a brain tumor. Right. Your head was hurting. Because my contacts were too strong. Oh. Because my eyes got better as I got older and I didn't realize. Okay.

So I was wearing like these minus 10. And I'm half contacts in my eyesight was minus nine and a half. So you're nine and a half now? Yeah. I'm seven and seven and a half. Yeah. I'm coming for you.

I was going like, I honestly thought I was dying. Wait, you have worse eyesight than she does? I've worse eyesight than all of you. Wow. Yeah, my eyesight's terrible. I didn't know that.

Okay, I've got to take a movie. I think you can take the thing. I'm fine with it. Sure. I mean, he seems upset. I'm not.

I mean, I took cruising. Yeah, it's fine. I'm fine with it. The thing bombed. I don't think you should give in on this. Because the way he said the thing is still on the board, guys. Yeah, I didn't appreciate.

If he'd just been like, I'm so excited, I get to take the thing. I think I should have just, you should have just led with love. I should have just taken, again, I am superior. I've figured out. How about this? Just take Goddy. Did I, what did I text to you guys when I sent the final text? You can have the thing, Sean. It was on the go, so you didn't really amend it.

No, I took the years off because I meant to take the years off. There's no years in the text that I sent you when we changed the rules. That's why the thing is on my long list. But you know what? You're right. You should take the thing. I lost. I'm losing my fastball.

I'm Kodai Senga. We've got to move me to the bullpen soon. Might be time to put me out to pasture as far as host, right? Okay. See, you got to do it. He did take them off. On the house. On the house.

Take the thing. Take the thing, Sean. Just take it. It's a good movie to draft. I took cruising, which was like two years earlier in the thing. You can have it. Yeah. Go for it.

Would it be better if I took Jonathan Demi's beloved adaptation of a Tony Morrison novel? Why not both? You can do one for Wildcard. Okay, that would be my wild card then. All right. How do you want to pair of those films? How do you want to discuss them in tandem? In a double feature at the New Beverly.

Oh, man. New Beverly's been on fire lately. Yeah. When are you going to go see? It's been on fire. They're really. Up the game. A lot of good stuff.

I really love your new life, you know? Because I go to Alfred on Beverly. Alfred's my favorite coffee place. So I always drive by New Beverly and every time bangers. Yeah. It's like banger. Do you go in or you just like find? No, I just like seeing the thing and be like, oh, bang.

And then you go home and watch it on TV. Yeah, exactly. It's like, do I want to see Pulp Fiction at midnight on a Friday night? No, I don't. We're too old for that. I'll take beloved. instead of the thing or are you going to take both of them?

You're just waiting to throw a temper tantrum at a later date about when you gave me the thing. This opens up you can get Sorcerer now based on... Oh, maybe I'll take Empire Strikes back because we can just like adjust some numbers and be like no, no, no.

If you'd like to try to do that, you can try. I'm just kidding. You should take that thing because it's a good... It's a John Carpenter or somebody who... Oh, you went back into podcasting. What's that? You just started podcasting again? You were like, well, actually, John Carpenter, you know, went back to information delivery.

What's up with your screensaver here? It's got a little bit of animation to it. I didn't know that that was possible. I don't know. I think this is just how it came, and I was like, that's pretty soon. I once again have some questions about your laptop choices. But anyway, which is too large. You know what else I wanted to do in sub 30?

I don't know if this didn't necessarily fully qualifies because it didn't cost that much money, but I really wanted to do dirty work, the Norm MacDonald comedy. I had that on my list. It was between 8mmeter and dirty work. Yeah. Dirty work would have been good for the sub-dirty work. We both up dirty work. so funny.

It's the last Farley movie, right? Yeah. Norm is so funny and dirty work. And Artie. Damn. What happened to Artie?

Where's already at these days? Artie's still alive. Chris Farley's not. No, he's not. What did you pick? He's taking 11th. I'll take the thing in Beloved. Great.

Okay. What's your wild card? It's your raw card. I mean, you get a wild card now? Yeah. I bet it can be something that's all the only one. Anything you want that has flop to it.

But so with something that was a failed franchise launch? I assure you, you can now take anything you want. Well, I just didn't. Just get your flop on. Well, I was curious. This is not my pick.

This is the maddest he's ever been. I know. The maddest he's ever been. Don't say in the newspaper that I've had. Would Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo have been eligible in failed franchise launch? Yes. Oh, yes. Yes, it would have.

Okay. I didn't think of that. So I'll take Fincher's Girl with a Dragon Tattoo, which is just... I don't like that movie. You don't? I mean, it's really creepy. It's too harsh. I got to give it another chance.

It's good. It's really unsettled. It's so good. Yeah. I didn't like being unsettled. Okay. All right. I mean, it's a feature movie.

What do you expect? There we go. That's a great pick. Thank you. Thanks so much. I totally forgot about that. That's also incredible that I picked that after salt. But I do believe in the commercial possibility of salt too.

And I'm ready to take meetings with anyone who wants them. Okay. BS. You got. Yeah, I want to take something that's just super floppy here. I can't wait to read my, I can't believe nobody took G-Leb, by the way. I thought about it because of obviously. You picked it before.

I did in, I guess, the 2003 draft because, and that was still, we did it on Zoom and I got screwed out a couple things and I went for it. But I did rewatch them a bit yesterday. And it just made me feel bad. That actually made me feel like I was wasting my time. as everyone else. I don't feel like, I feel like I took movies that I actually like and are good, and I don't have a true flop that's just what the fuck happened.

I can't believe this movie got made. Yeah. This is why I took Ishtar. Yeah. I'm going to take the island of Dr. Moreau. Excellent. Okay. Really good. A movie that I've told this story many times,

but I had a legal cable box in Boston for about four years where they showed all the pay-per-views, and this just started to come on in the pay-per-views. and was one of the most inexplicable things I'd ever seen in my life and Brando is in it and just you can hear him counting the cash in his head as he's filming his scenes

Valcomer doesn't want to be there that guy David Thuleas what's his name? Is that his name? David Thulis. People thought he might be having a moment well that moment ended

he wanted to have some more moments but more and more understated work. Dr. Moro is he's mating human humans and animals. Yeah. And now... But dragon tattoo is too much for you. These human animals are now starting to realize that they're not being treated correctly.

So you have like a guy who's like half cheetah, half human, half ape, half human. And they kind of turn on, they have like a revolution. It's just one of the most incredible bad movies that's ever been made. I love it. I've probably seen it 10 times. Have you seen Lost Soul, the doom journey of Richard's, Stanley is the island of Dr. Murrow, the documentary about the making of this through the prism of the guy who was the director at the beginning of the movie.

Oh, who got fired? Yeah. I have not. It's so, you will love it. It is amazing Hollywood history. And it's mostly told through his experience, but after he gets fired, he, John Frankenheimer gets hired to finish making the movie. And he sneaks back onto the set and he dresses up as one of the animal characters because

he still knows all the people in the crew. And so he's, the director, Richard Stanley, is in the movie. as one of the characters uprising against Dr. Moreau in this kind of like, or imitating life meta moment that is so fantastic. But the whole documentary is super interesting. Apparently Valcimer was not a pleasant person to work with on this one. It's an amazing movie.

It came out, I think, 30 years ago probably. It's never on. I don't even, maybe all copies have been destroyed. Not in my home. I don't know. You have the, what do you have, the Blu-ray? Of course, I have the Blu-ray, yeah. For the Richard Stanley stack.

Oh, man. We got Dust Devil, we got hardware. really interesting idea for a movie. It's a remake. It's a remake, yeah. And I think the original movie did really well. And then when I had my football call on McGrathen, I did mailbag cross with NFL picks

and called it the island of Dr. Simbo. That's right. And C.R. was like, Bill's lost his fucking mind. Yeah, it was that and the birdmester. And I was just like, where the fuck are we? We're going down with the ship. Actually, isn't it an H.G. Wells' story? H.G. Wells' story? H.G. Wells?

Dr. Murrell? I think so. Or Jules Verne. I don't know. I think it's Wells. Chris, you have the last pick. You can take Sorcerer right here. A lot on the board still. You could go with Oliver Stone's Alexander. You could go with the Wachowski Speed Racer.

I'm going to go with a film that I've seen more than those movies, sadly. I've seen it twice a week for about nine years there in the 2010s, and it's Pete Berg's Battleship. I had it on my list. Two Titanic Taylor Kitch bombs in this time period. John Carter and Battleship. Battleship made $300 million. It just made $240 of them elsewhere. Yeah.

And this movie's pretty good. Rihanna's in it. She has like five lines. Yes, but she just yells all of them. That's right. Pond to Battleship. Yeah. Pond to Battleship.

Thanks. Wait. Appreciate that. We're back. We're back. Yeah, when you combine it with John Carter and this whole moment that Taylor Kitch was supposedly having I still like Taylor Kitch

I do too, but they just the classic just on the wrong sports teams for a couple years and he missed his moment. This movie is like hella entertaining though. And it's like obvious that they were like, you know it would be cool is to hang out in Hawaii for a year and that's what they did.

It's also a movie that they were trying obviously knew Pete Berg a little bit was they were trying to explain what the movie was. It's like it's like the board game, battleship but it's like a movie. on that. And you're going, okay. Yeah. Sure. And Liam Neeson is in the beginning of this movie? I was going to say, who is the likely overpaid older actor to give this movie some credibility. So it's Liam Neeson. But,

you know, you've also got Jesse Plymonds coming off that Friday Night Lights Money connection with Pete Berg. You've got Alexander Scarsgaard. You've got Rami Mollick. Isn't this movie? Alexander Scarsgaard is playing Taylor Kitch's older brother. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, they play touch football together. Good policy, right? No, soccer. They play soccer together.

Yes. And they play soccer. You have my attention. And enabled days. I saw this in theaters. Yeah. But I don't remember that. There was a lot of...

They aired this before like a hundred and ninety-five TNT basketball games. Right. You'd be catching the end of battleship. There was a lot of stuff in the less than 30 million that I was looking at, including shortcuts. Yeah. Which kind of bomb. But I don't feel like that's a spirit of the flop. I don't feel like that's a shot-shank.

Same way that you cut out my legs with Shawshank, would you have done it for Rounders? No, because I don't... I mean, how big were the expectations for Rounders, I guess is the question. I feel like if you made as much money as they spent on the movie, I don't think it can be considered a money flop. I think... Probably broke even, right? Sadly, it sounds like 28 years later, the Bone Temple. It's only made 25 domestically.

Yeah, that did bomb. So I had a couple, King of Comedy, nobody took, but I think that could have been on this, because that was considered... damaging to everybody. To Jillian on her 37th birthday. Never seen it. Amanda and I like... Yeah. Yes.

Gini and Tucker movie. It's really a crazy movie. Basketball. Really felt like it might set the boys back, but it didn't. South Park is still on. Yep. Eddie and the Cruisers, we've done on rewatchables. And then, uh, blood in, blood out was one that didn't do well, but then became

a cult movie after, but it didn't do well when it came out. I think it made less than $10 million. I want to just... She shout out a couple of sub-25s event horizon. Mm-hmm. Four Christmases. This is Rotten Tomatoes. Can you continue to stand four Christmases?

Another 48 hours. Uh-huh. Passenger 57. These are not 25% are what worst movies. Passenger 57 was sub-25% on Rotten Tomatoes. There's a couple of gone and 60 seconds was under 25. Sweetest thing is not a 25% movie. Perfect.

Well, there's one that historic one that I'm shocked you didn't take. Which one? Cocktail. Which I think has like 17%. I know, but yeah, I guess that could have fit the rotten tomatoes thing. But I just don't think that movie's a flop. It made like $200 million. And isn't just go with it one of the Simmons families?

Yeah, it's 20%. I know. But people, it just proves people are stupid. Okay. All right. Okay. I just, you know, I know what matters to you. Grownups too was under 252.

Actually, most of the same of the movies are under. Rumor has it was on my list as well, along with Coyote Ugly. I dare you. And sleeping with the enemy is also. It's not as good as you remember. Well, but it is filmed... It's a little silly. Sure, but it's filmed, you know,

in beautiful coastal locations. Be careful. Yeah. I know you're a fan. Laura! Raj also didn't like Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are dead. I thought that was really odd. Am Walker, the Alex Cox movie.

And then he also didn't like Kevin Russell's Devils. Well, which will be back in the news in about one month when it's re-released. Raj, the funniest ones for Zero Stars was... Dice Rules, the injured Dice Clay concert movie. He needs to say Raj, not a fan. One of your faves is on his list. Which one? 10 to midnight.

10 to midnight. I almost took care. Charles Bronson. Yeah, that's just a bad opinion. But then, Jaws, the Revenge, which some people like. I like it. It's more than Peebles. Some people are okay with that one.

Death Wish, too. And not the one specifically where Jaws is like, I'm coming back for Shider's family. Yes. Yes. Yes. Duce Lagoe, European Jigolo was on Raj's list. Sure. But that's European.

and jigolo, not male jigolo. The funniest one out of all of these was Last Rites with Tom Berger and Daphneus Zaniga. Raj is like, this movie sucks. He just like murders it. It's a priest who falls I think he falls in love with Daphne Zaniga and wasn't

supposed to. And Rajah was like just completely horrified by it. It's like you're showing those teenagers Wolf Creek. You change their lives forever. They can never go back to God. No. Did anyone take a Costner? anything? No. I mean, Horizon Part 1

on failed franchise launches could have been on that. And I can't believe that no one took it. And I like Horizon Part 1. Yeah, I know. Did you saw it? You saw it? You saw it? My dad was a huge fan. Yeah. It's pretty good. I told him Horizon Part 2, it probably isn't happening. And he was like, are you serious? It's done. It exists. Yeah. It's screened of the Santa Barbara International Film Festival. I'm kind of surprised that like a Vox Nation didn't buy it or something. I know. It's really odd. Or like some like Angel Studios people didn't buy it. I would go to bat for Waterworld, but not the Postman.

The Postman, I think, sucks. Waterworld is pretty entertaining. Yeah, Warholz is good. Waterworld saw it. There's a bunch of star bombs. Tough hair situation, you know, once you add the water end. That's the living in the water world. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't even remember. Who's the woman in Waterworld? Oh, yeah. Okay, a couple of star bombs that I think are interesting to talk about quickly. Bonfire are the vanities. Sure. Which I don't think we can do this pot without mentioning that movie, which had a three-way effect on Willis, Hanks, and Melanie Griffith.

Books and podcasts, written about that. Or done about that. Hudson Hawk came back again for Bruce Willis, which is a, you know, like it was his idea of that movie. He pushed to get that movie made and that totally bricked. Speaking of Bruce Willis, the Scarlet Letter, which is like an all-time L for Demi Moore. I think that's kind of the end of Demi Moore

as like a real power broker in Hollywood. I don't even remember that movie and what happens in it. It's a huge, well, it's based on the novel. No, I know, but I don't, I don't even remember why she's in it or what the, what they thought they were. Who's the Gary Oldman? Gary Oldman. Yeah. Does she get, like, naked in it?

Is it like a sex movie? No. Well, I mean, is it like an erotic? It is, yeah. Is it an erotic movie? What's about her losing her virginity and then being branded? I didn't mean to phrase it that way. Does Hester Prinn get boned in the Scarletter?

I mean, yes. I mean, yeah. She got what they does. Yeah. Guys, right? Okay. Yeah, people were just done with her at that point. I think the juror started it and then Scarletter finished it.

You know, it's a tough one that I always want to reclaim, but I never can. Is K-19 the Widowmaker? It's pretty good. Is it? Yeah, it is. Isn't Harvey Kitell in that? No, that one's bad. I don't remember.

Harrison Ford's in an accent. Well, I know Harrison. The movie's bad. That movie is pretty, oh, wait, I'm thinking of U-571. My bad. K-19's not that good. Where did you stand on the beach in this conversation? The DiCaprio one?

Yeah. I'm pro. just rewatched it last year. But it was the first time I rewatched since it came out because I did not like it when it came out. It did make money, but was considered bad for Leah. But he was fine. He was fine. I think it was just like as a follow-off to Titanic, people are like, wow, what is he doing?

Is this going to work out? I don't feel like it counts as a real flop, though. It did bomb. But it's an on-paper amazing movie, right? Based on Garland's novel. And he wrote the screenplay and Danny Boyle directed it. And they didn't put you in, which caused like, a schism for death. decades between McGregor and.

Is that true? I think so. I thought a good example of this was Best Defense, which Eddie Murphy is in, but he's not a star and it's Dudley Moore. And I think Chevy Chase, I've not seen that. It was during, he has 48 hours trading places, Beverly Cop, Beverly's Cop all in a row. But Best Defense is kind of in there. And he's in it for like 25 minutes doing Eddie Murphy things, but it's bad.

And now kind of nobody pretends it when they list all the Eddie Murphy movies, it's just not mentioned. It's like it never happened. But it happened. Have you seen that? I've never seen that. It's a comedy arms dealer movie. It's bad.

I don't even, I think even Toobie's like, eh. I had a couple of franchise relaunches that we didn't do, mostly because they're franchise relaunches. Jack Ryan's Shadow recruit. We were going to try

and do Chris Pine there. Yeah. And solo a Star Wars saga. Yeah, with your boy. They probably would have made like three of those, had those. Alden and worked out for Alden. He was doing well.

I have many failed franchise launches, but I'll mention just a couple, most of which are not good. The mummy. Tom Cruise was meant to relaunch the dark universe and didn't work out. Alita Battle Angel. Will Smith's Bright. The Dark Tower. Jonah Hex. The Last Airbender. The notorious Prince of Persia. Of course. 47 Ronan has to be in this too. Yeah, the Keanu movie. Yeah, they spent over 150 million on that.

Jumper? Yeah. Doug Lyman movie with Hayden. Hayden Christensen? I got to say I kind of like Jumper. A very famous. A very famous one is Sahara, the Matthew McConaughey movie. Because there's so many Clive Custler novels. Did you know that John Carter lost the most money of all the movies that have lost money?

I didn't know that until we did this exercise. Is it the highest number? It's the first one that comes up when you Google movie flaps. Yeah, I think it's the biggest loser. What happens at John Carter? He goes to Mars. And then he meets Wula, who was like the animated little creepy. You might be making this up right now.

No, it's true. Woola was a real thing. And they spent, I assume they spent a lot of money animating Mars and Woola. You want to see a picture of Woola? This is a historic moment on the podcast. That's Woola. Oh, my God. Jesus.

I mean, I think that's it. Any other honorable mentions you want to mention? I mean, Kostner with the Postman, people go to Waterworld as the Kostner Flop example, but Postman. And then I don't think revenge is considered a win for me either, but it made money. He was earlier in his career. Yeah, I made money, though. Kind of like it.

Yeah, I kind of like that. I love the movie. Okay. Rock of Ages is probably the other one we didn't mention. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that one. Cruz. Yeah.

Just couldn't get, I couldn't even draft that. Like, you know. Cruz said that and Valkyrie. He's really struggling. And then he made the night and day movie with Camer Dias. That one did it make. I do love Valky. That's not bad.

Valkyriegsy. Okay. It's about guys who made a stand, you know? It's true. But they didn't succeed. No. Okay, so for our draft, in less than 30 million domestic wide release,

no official year dates attached. I selected the thing from John Carpenter. In Starbomb, I took Ishtar, and lost more than 100 million. I took the last duel. In Ebert Zero Stars, I took Freddie Got Fingered. In sub-25 on Rotten Tomatoes, I took Congo, and failed franchise launch,

I took the man from Uncle, and in Wildcard, I took Jonathan Demi's beloved. In less than 30 million domestic, I took the Lost City of Z. And Star Bomb, how do you know? In lost more than 100 million West Side Story by Steven Spielberg. In Ebert Zero Stars, North, in sub-25% on Rotten Tomatoes, Sister Act 2, back in the habit, which Chris and Bill have never seen, failed franchise launch, Salt, 2010, and then in Wild Card, also a failed franchise launch. David Fincher's the girl with a dragon tattoo

I think Amanda's going to win I have Manhunter Cruising Ali I should have done all one word Flops Police Academy 8mmeter Islanded Dr. Murrow is a wildcard

Josie and the PussyCats as failed franchise launch That's a pretty strong list I took a black hat in 30 million domestic I took the assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford for Broward

Brad Pitt Starbomb. Lost more than $100 million. I took Furiosa, a Mad Max saga. Ebert Zero Stars. For my sins, I took Wolf Creek. Some 25% on Rotten Tomatoes. I took Friday the 13th, the final chapter. Failed franchise launch, I took Master and Commander

of the Far Side of the World. And for my wild card, I put in battleship. Yeah. Pretty good draft. I don't even know how people would judge it. Well, we're going to find out soon. Okay. I just thought that Shawshank was.

in a flap. I'm glad we all held the fort. Okay. Yeah, you guys did a great job. Yeah. Are you okay? Is this going to be okay? Will you keep drafting with us? No, I'm out. I'm out. You're done? Yeah, okay. How did you feel? How did you back? I wish it had been easier. I'd, I prepared for six picks for each category. I know. Still ready to go get more. Because it's six rounds in a normal job? I don't know. I got a lot going on. I've got a lot going on. I got a lot. I got a lot. Well, thank you, Bill. Thanks for joining us.

It's a pleasure to have you. Thanks to Jack Sanders, who is on vacation. Thanks to Jamie and Sarah for filling in. Shout out you guys. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh for production support. Welcome back, Amanda. Welcome back, Amanda. Thank you so much. Yes. And you're, this is, you'll never take an episode off again, right? You'll be on every single episode going forward. Thanks for that.

We will be back later this week to discuss the dog stars. We're also going to rank all 30 Ridley Scott movies. Bill, what's your favorite Ridley Scott movie? I mean gladiator is the easy choice Someone will watch over me Is probably the one I saw the most Okay Okay alien

Not alien? Alien's really good Yeah Can you make a choice? Alien Okay I was gonna go black rain Thanks for listening

We'll see you later this week Thanks for listening. We'll see you later this week