The Big Picture - The Garbage Women Canon! Plus: 'Holland' and 'Kinda Pregnant.'

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

Amanda is joined by Yasi Salek to create a new mini-genre called "Garbage Women," a list of mediocre to bad streaming movies starring the greatest actresses of our generation. Before officially forming the canon, they cover some recent releases that fit into the genre, ‘Holland’ (2:54) and ‘Kinda Pregnant’ (20:44). Then, they get into the list, working through the official criteria, discussing what they love and hate about these types of movies, and sharing their notes for future Garbage Women films (32:04). Host: Amanda Dobbins Guest: Yasi Salek Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm calling it, naturally, Garbage Women. And here to help me create the definitive canon is yet another overqualified Ringer Woman, Yassi Salak. But first, we're going to talk about two possible entrants in the Garbage Women canon. Holland, starring Nicole Kidman, and Kind of Pregnant, starring Amy Schumer. Yassi, happy Women's History Month. Oh my god, thank you. It's my favorite celebratory month.

Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for watching a lot of movies. I felt bad, I gave you a lot of homework. I thought when you asked me this, you were like, do you like this kind of movie? And I was thinking maybe, not to spoil ahead, but Irish Wish, Lindsay Lohan vehicle, which I was like, I love that kind of movie.

I did lead with Irish Wish. Like I think I texted you, do you like films like Irish Wish? And I was like, yes. And then you were like, these ones. And I was like, I'm going to take a look. I kind of bait and switched you a little. But that's OK. We're going to be very specific about the garbage women canon.

We have like a whole thing. And we can decide actually whether Holland or Kinda pregnant belong. Belong, yeah. Am I a misogynist now? Unclear. Possibly. Did all the people who make these movies? Yeah. You know how like when men go on YouTube too much and they become incels? Like I think watching these eight movies is like maybe skewed me into misogyny. My fear for my two sons. But that's you know hopefully ten years down the road. Okay before we dobage Woman, we have to do some news.

Just one piece of news, which is that the full trailer for one battle after another was released. Do you know what this film is? No clue, babe. This is the new, okay, well this is a new film from Paul Thomas Anderson. Oh, sure, okay, yeah, sorry, yes. Yeah, starring Leonardo DiCaprio. Sorry to disrespect Sean and his great passion in life.

Listen, we can talk about this because it does feature women. So it's germane today's episode. I just kind of wanted to let people at home know like we've seen it. Yes. Or I have seen it. Leonard Caprio. Yeah, Leonard Caprio.

I saw it on the X.com. Yeah, it's good. We're looking forward to this film. Yeah. Yeah, A+. We love PTA. Yes, okay. All right, we're gonna start with Holland.

Which, I mean, so Holland is currently streaming on Amazon Prime. Yeah. It debuted this week. And it stars Nicole Kidman, along with Matthew McVadian, Gail Garcia Bernal, and Rachel Senet for like 20 seconds, which we'll come back to. It was directed by Mimi Cave, who directed Fresh, which was a Sebastian Stan, Daisy Edgar JonesJones, like, online

phenomenon a few years ago. And I feel like we had a lot of people like adding us on social media being like, when are you gonna talk about Fresh? When are you gonna talk about Fresh? And then we never... Did you ever? No, I think I was on leave. Okay. And I mostly became aware of it through like Instagram reels, but which is like maybe gives you a sense

of the vein of popularity. Anyway. So Holland. Yeah. All right. So the basic premise is that Nicole Kidman is a Midwestern teacher who suspects that her husband, Matthew McFadden,

might be having an affair. Correct. Technically, this is Garbage Women because of the rules we're about to numerate, which is like number one first and foremost. It stars Nicole Kidman. Kind of, right? That's really crazy.

This woman has two Oscars. Does she have two? No, I think it's just the one. Okay, one. It's just the one. She deserves several more. One Oscar. She should have more.

She is one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation. She's like really good. She's in a lot of great stuff. Have you seen Baby Girl? Yes. Yeah, obviously. I mean, that was fantastic. So she's good, but she also works a lot. And she has not been snobby about the streaming universe, is I guess one way of saying it.

But also she is just in a lot of garbage women stuff. She kind of defines what it is. I was texting you about this before, but I was like, I need to understand. Do you have a gambling problem? Is there a financial situation? Because it makes no sense to do this many projects per year at this clip when you're a Nicole Kidman. I don't understand.

She does really like to work. The only insights I have into her financial situation are an interview that she gave once about her husband, Keith Urban, buying her a Lamborghini or something. Two income households, first of all. Yeah, but she didn't want it. So he drives it and she drives her Subaru. But that's not driven by money even. Well, one half is not driven by money.

And the other person is just like, ex-buying Lamborghinis all the time. So you're saying Keith Urban is baby girl. I don't know. We don't know. I just like, but the only insight I have into, into how money is being spent in that household, and they are legally married so she's responsible for both halves of it, is that he is spending a lot.

They have several children as well, I believe. They have two, I believe. They have two. I know he likes to make his own special coffee on the road. He brings a coffee maker. I don't know if that's very expensive. I mean, coffee is, I don't know if you've been buying the beans lately, but there's real coffee in place.

So perhaps that explains the Holland, taking the Holland check. I mean, she also obviously is on a lot of direct-to-streaming TV shows that I've seen all of. And Big Little Lies is- You watched the one with Hugh Grant. Oh, yeah, of course. The Undoing. No spoilers, but relevant to this conversation.

Yeah, undoing the Nantucket show, the Ellen Hilderand, a perfect, perfect couple, I believe, which I really enjoyed despite myself. But so her willingness to do streaming stuff, her willingness to do TV, Big Little Eyes was like HBO, but it's sort of like- Yeah, Prestige. Yeah, Prestige and it's like the, it's sort of like the breakthrough of big name actresses

being like, sure, we'll do TV, sure. Like we'll like get a little dirty and not just do, you know, our fancy Oscar movies. And she does them so frequently that just because she's in it, I do think it counts as garbage women. It is also sort of about, I mean, it is about a woman in the domestic sphere, right?

Right. And she's realizing some things about her life, which is another, like, key part of garbage women. And there is sort of intentionally humor. Okay. I mean, so let's talk about it. Nicole Kimmel is like talking like Marilyn Monroe throughout this movie.

The way she speaks is so confusing to me. I didn't, do you think that was like a Midwestern accent gone wrong? Yeah, I, some of it is I think that she just does so, take so many roles that she's like, okay, well now I got to throw in some voice work to like differentiate this. Now I'm breathy. Yeah.

Yeah. And I guess she was like trying to communicate something about the character, like not really being like with it. Right. Yeah. She's, it was giving pills. It was giving. Yeah. Stetford wife energy? Right. Yeah, she's... It was giving pills. It was giving... Yeah. ...Stetford wife energy.

Yeah. It was giving a little bit of, like, Truman Show, I thought, at some point. Yeah, yeah. And I think that was probably on purpose. Well, I mean, yeah. Or maybe they, like, saw something in the edit, and then were like, let's veer towards, like, possible.

This, to me, seemed, like, totally chopped up. Like, as we said, Rachel Sennett is in the first scene, and then, like, never shows up seemed like totally chopped up. Like as we said, Rachel Sennett is in the first scene and then like never shows up again. Like ever. What is the point of that character? Just to be like. I have no point.

Well, she creates the inciting incident, which is I think someone stole something, I'm looking for it now. And then doesn't that lead to her stumbling upon. Yes, I guess so. Some weird train shit in the, I was like kind of it. I'll be honest with you, I was on my phone a bit. So was I, of course.

So I was keeping like stream of consciousness notes and I kept like writing to you in my notes. Yeah, yeah. Amanda, this is boring. Amanda, I'm bored. I don't understand. No, it was very... I mean, I did as well. And I was certainly like I had to stop at one point. So like the last 30 minutes, I watched like separately late at night.

While like honestly... Which is fine, because the last 30 minutes, I watched separately late at night. Which is fine, because you could watch it every five minutes. I was using my microcurrent device while doing it, which was fine, it was quiet, so I could multitask. I guess it's nanocurrent too, I don't know. Which one do you have, the zip? The zip, yeah. Great one, I believe it's the best one.

Yeah, because apparently it has dual waveform technology, that's what they say while I'm just going like this on my face. Anyway, I did miss all of it, some of it, but Rachel Sennett was just there for 20 seconds and anyone could have played that part. Yes, correct. And it did feel like the whole thing about how she stole bacon and like food was sort of abandoned at some point in a way that makes me think like maybe there was like a some

sort of like... Like that character had more, more to do and yeah and like how much Nicole Kidman is or is not allowed to eat as like part of the plot at some point. And the Sun right? They kind of hint at that like you took away my candy. Right. Although her name was Candy so that was confusing. Yeah that was confusing. Okay so anyway that was pretty half-baked. Also, Holland is the name of the film because this is set in Holland, Michigan, which is like a Dutch-inspired town in Michigan.

Sort of like Solvang in California, if you're familiar with Solvang. My college roommate worked at the Heidelberg Inn in Solvang, California, so I've been there many times. It's a beautiful part of the world. Yeah. I don't like pancakes as much as everyone there seems to, but like...

They have a great mustard selection. That's true. Yay. No, no, no. It's very charming. But so there's like all this like weird Dutch stuff. Yeah. Which I... Respectfully. It felt like that was like what made them make the movie. They're like, what if this, like the pitch was,

what if there's a movie set in a town that is obsessed with Holland? And then the plot was kind of secondary to like bringing images of that town to life. Cause there was a lot of weird imagery of that town. But like, what, what does setting a movie in Holland mean? Like what was up with the Dutch stuff? Like they just, she wears like weird tulip, you know, weird hats.

Matthew McFadden does like a little prayer that didn't seem to be fully in English, but they never explained what that was. And I was like, is it there's a cult situation? I mean, I think it was Dutch. I like, I don't want to assume, you know, like, I like, not being like, not English, but some other thing. It would be very confusing if it were a different language than Dutch. It definitely seemed like the Germanic tradition.

I'm already like on really thin ice here because if Dutch is not of the Germanic languages, like I'm sorry to forget that. I'm sorry. But the Dutch people? No, that's fine. They have been the butt of some horror jokes recently. So they can handle it. So and there's like a Tulip Festival

that is like central. But again, that felt like something that was maybe in an earlier draft of the movie and then they didn't explore it all. There's also like a church element. This is all by way of saying this movie's not very good. It doesn't make a lot of sense. It doesn't make sense.

It's really hard to follow. I watched it with my parents, which is actually gave me a lot of insight because I'll tell you what, my parents love bad movies. They are fine. Even at the end of this, they're like, no, that was fine. And I'm like, you were playing solitaire the whole time, dad. My mom was playing some other game on her.

That's how they watch movies. Okay, let me ask, solitaire on the phone, desktop? My dad on the laptop, PC laptop. My mom on the phone, some game that I don't recognize, but it was some jewel candy crush adjacent. And they were like, no, it was, yeah, there was suspense. And I was like, yeah, the suspense was, what the fuck is going on at any given moment.

It was an hour and a half too long. Yeah. Like, I was like, what are we? And then they never answer. They bring in these, like, big questions, like, OK, Gael Garcia Bernal's character, whose name I don't remember. Yeah. Dave.

Dave. Sure. Sure. Dave is always a loo, he's scared of the police, he has some like past, that's why he's scared of the police. Right. Never revealed what he did. What did he do?

Don't know. I would have liked to know that. Is he on the run? Is he a felon? There is also like, the movie starts with voiceover and ends with voiceover from Nicole Kidman being like, I feel safe here. As if she is also on the run from something. Yeah.

Exactly. Or is he saved her? What was it? She was wayward. None of these questions are answered. No, no, no, no, no. And I don't want to like fully spoil the movie because it's available on streaming. Most people probably haven't seen it at this point. I don't know. I guess you can, you want to have a weird time, go for it. But like, there are a lot

of faints. There were a lot of different things that could have happened. And I kept trying to guess what the twist would be. And like all of my twists are way more interesting than what the movie is. It's like, way more interesting. Matthew McVaden was great. I thought he's such a good actor. Yeah, he's wonderful. I enjoyed him because he's just phenomenal. Nicole Kidman's wig needs to be tried at The Hague.

Like, I need to, I need... Yeah, go ahead. Why? Why don't you describe it? I don't even know how to describe it. It's always, I don't even think that's human hair. Okay. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's you think they didn't have that kind of budget. It's, they must have like, in general, it's not laid properly. I know it always looks like it's about to fall off. You can't see any scalp. It's not a lace front, I don't think. No.

There's always like a barret somewhere. And it's askew. It's so distracting. So I feel like the askewness was intentional because she's flustered. Yeah, she's like, you know, not quite, she's like off her square and you know, like a little daffy. And so the bobby pen, like shoved a certain way

is intentional. I agree with everything else that you're saying. And I guess they don't have the budget. This is, I mean, this is a problem that we're gonna come back to in this podcast, specifically like the wig and hair budgets. And I think there's a lack of knowledge of... But if you're Nicole Kinman and you are, you wear a wig in every production at this point,

why don't you would want a good wig? No? Would you, you would write it into your contract. Your agent would write it into the contract. I want that Kardashian level wig. And I want some, like I want my hair and makeup person coming with me to, like, make sure that everything is according to my standards. Yeah. I want the person that does Beyonce's wigs on set. Well, first of all, that person is probably with Beyonce

all the time. I would hope that Beyonce has that, like, an exclusive. Well, the understudy then. Yeah, OK. And then, but, like, I agree with you. So I think that there's just like a lack of technology knowledge, you know, which is like pervasive, right? That's the same thing with like Fillers, Botox, like some people, you know, they're the experts

and then there's just like everybody else. Yeah, we'll get into them with family affairs as well. I do wonder if like Nicole Kidman is not really making those aesthetic distinctions. Sometimes I get into galaxy brain and I'm like, what if she's like an incredible performance artist and she's like super aware and this is just her thing now and she's like, how far can I push it with the horrific wigs? Because it is a talk there's I went down Reddit threads, multiple Reddit threads. This is a known thing.

And maybe she's just having a bit of a laugh. I definitely think that they're all wigs, but part of my galaxy brain wants to be like, what if they're not wigs? Then that's even more insane. Yeah, no human beings hair looks like that. There is a commitment to like a consistency of the type of hair, you know? I agree that they're just not sitting properly in a way that looks like that. There is a commitment to like a consistency of the type of hair, you know?

I agree that they're just not sitting properly in a way that looks very confusing. And I do also think that she's not trying to spend that much time in hair and makeup. This is actually my theory is that at some point like you just show up and it's like, well, we got to film now and this is what we have, you know? This stuff tells nicely into family affair because things that she doesn't Have time or care about yeah Which I don't yeah, we need to set up the family Family affairs no starting Nicole Kidman garbage movie canon for sure yeah

Streaming on Netflix streaming on Netflix starring also Zac Efron yes as her love and much younger love interest Another hallmark of the garbage movie canon, which I do want as the feminism has left my body, I'd like to talk about that. And then the daughter is played by King, Joey King, who's lovely. And she works for Zac Efron, who's a big actor, and then him and Nicole Kidman,

her mother develop a relationship. This one I was like then him and Nicole Kidman, her mother, develop a relationship. This one I was like, oh, Nicole Kidman came, and she was like, what are you paying? And they were like, blah, blah, blah. And she was like, no American accent for you then. OK. You cannot afford the American accent. I'm bringing the Australian accent.

OK. Do you think that it just kind of eludes her as time goes on in the shoot? And you can actually... She's actually one of the best. It's one of my pet peeves in films, Do you think that it just kind of eludes her as time goes on in the shoot? And you can actually... She's actually one of the best. It's one of my pet peeves in films, and this is with all love and respect

to the Australian subcontinent, but Australian actors are the most egregious abusers of slipping back in to Australian accent when they're doing American accent. I don't know why. Yeah, I'm sure it's very hard, but she never usually does. She's Australian. They say it in the film.

So she must have literally been like, you can't afford the American Nicole Kidman. You're having that. Because there's no reason for her to be Australian. It's never, it's not a plot point. It has nothing to do with the character. She's just Australian. There was a thing that happened in a perfect,

in the perfect couple, ah, perfect couple, sorry, the series, where like halfway through she just becomes British. And it was never, I did finish that, I did finish that series, but it was never clear to me whether that was like a part of the character or whether she was just kind of slipping. And it was like, well... She was probably doing three projects at the same time. Yeah, she was like trying to do like Transatlantic, you know?

Like, because it's supposed to be like old money or at least fake old money And so but like the vowels just kind of like were turned this way and then they like just kept turning a little yeah, I guess Even her Australian accent is not strong because she's obviously been in America for so long right that it's kind of a Watered down version, but I just thought am amused me. I was like, oh. I guess that explains the voice a little bit. It's just like, this is how I'm gonna be Midwestern American, as in this weird voice. You know, at a certain point,

how many accents can one person do, you know? She's only human. I don't understand why she chose to do this movie, or why this movie was made. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, Holland. Holland. I'm excited about that. Holland, I'm excited about. Holland I kind of get.

Holland is one of those movies where like, it tricked, like, on the surface seems like it's gonna be a good movie. Yeah, sure. You know, and I think it's possible she was bamboozled. A few fancy camera angles and great cast. There's cool imagery, amazing cast. I mean, you have three incredible actors in it.

I think that she was tricked. And also she does seem to like to work. Yeah, and that's just like a bait and switch one where they were like, this is gonna be a good movie and then it's not really not gonna be. Not like a family affair, which is just off top. No one could read that script and be like, this is gonna be a good movie.

Oh, I kinda disagree. Except for you, Who loves it? Except for me. Okay. Holland, it just seems like Germaine to note that Jen Salke, the head of Amazon Movie Studios was removed from her job this week. Because of Holland.

No. But I'm just like, well, this is what they're putting out. I'm just kind of like. Jeff Bezos saw Holland and was like, okay. It's apparently because of like James Bond and all that stuff. But you know, it's tough times over there, it would seem. Okay, the other movie that we have to talk about.

It has been out for a little while, kind of pregnant. Yes. It has not been discussed here on the big picture. So this is our time, Happy Women's History Month, International Women's Month, whatever you're doing. So this one is an Amy Schumer vehicle, written by Amy Schumer and Julie Paiva, directed by Tyler Spindle.

Okay. And this is like, it's bridesmaids, but for pregnancy. Yeah. Amy Schumer is also a teacher? She's a teacher. Yeah. There's three jobs that women can have, I want you to understand.

Sure, right, go ahead. It's teacher, writer, or something to do with the arts, like gallerist, interior decorator. These are the jobs allowed in the garbage women canon. It used to be journalist, but then the media fell apart. So we're no longer inspirational. And now it's novelists. Right, or if you're going to be a journalist,

it's like in a family affair where it's like you write Pulitzer Prize winning books and then get like five dollars a word from Vogue. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So she's a teacher and her best friend played by Jillian Bell gets pregnant. I do too. And she's like kind of jealous. It's the whole like bridesmaid thing of like, what is our friendship going to be now that you're going through this life change? So then Amy Schumer decides to pretend to be pregnant also. And then hijinks in Sue. I'm sorry.

I loved it. I also thought it was really fun. I mean, I am sort of embarrassed to say it. And I went in being like, I don't know about this. Um, and I did think it was pretty funny. I think it marries what Amy Schumer does pretty well, which is like mocking the worst, most insulting parts of being a woman, which pregnancy is like definitely a part of them. And she's always been good at like humor or always been willing to like make humor about

her body and like the physical aspects of being a woman and pregnancy is just the worst part of that. I'm everyone's so lucky to have kids, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like pregnancy sucks. Et cetera, et cetera. It's a body horror film. So, yeah, so it is. It's a body horror film, like really funny. It meets her and her experiences.

She also famously like had the worst pregnancy. Yeah. Or she had like the hypermevious, you know, the very intense morning sickness. And anyway, meets where it is. It's like just broad enough, but also has specific funny jokes. Pretty good cast. Chris Gere, who's had a small role, but I love him.

I mean, too, I was like, oh, hey, it's that guy. So I didn't know about Breanne Howey because I've never seen Ginny and Georgia. I actually haven't either. Is that where she's from? Yes, yes. So she is like a big... It's a huge TV show. My cousin Nikki loves that show. It's a huge, huge, huge Netflix thing. And so this is sort of like the Netflix and How Star thing.

But I have never watched Ginny and Georgia, so I never had seen her before. I thought she was great. She was great. Yeah, very funny. The woman who plays the third teacher, the coach, the P.E. coach. Ursula Carlson. Googled her halfway through. I was like, who is this person?

She's a star. She's so funny. She's like the Melissa McCarthy role. And basically, they're ripping off the Melissa McCarthy Bridesmaid performance, but that's OK. I still laughed. But she brought her own spin on it. Yeah, no, no, no.

She was genuinely very funny, but you can just see the blueprint. That's OK. Will Forte. Great. Right. Fab. Yeah, no, no, she was like genuinely very funny, but you can just see the blueprint. That's okay. Will Forte. Great. Fab. So he is Brianne Howie's brother.

Her fail brother who lives in the garage. Right. And they also make a big deal of her living in Clinton Hill. And then they have literally a three car garage in Clinton Hill that he lives in. So that's my first note of this doesn't make sense. But again, exaggeration of real estate locations is a hallmark of garbage women canon. So this definitely counts. Also, sorry, something I didn't say about Holland, speaking of poking holes, what year

was that, babe? Because that Nokia phone they constantly use, that's 1999, but then it's the 90s because they're watching- No, it was like very clearly 2000 like, okay 2000 because It's like I even wrote them down. Here we go. So she's watching mrs. Doubtfire, but it's a blockbuster DVD She has the Pizza Hut box Pogs are early 90s though. I played with them in middle and I mean so did I like like, you know last longer So the children Jack is not me angry about the pogs I was like pogs and Nokia phone are not the same.

There's that incredibly weird, like, party up music cue. Oh, yeah. And that is late 90s. And the DMX. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was really, really... -♪ Young on my knees is my... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to be 2000. Yeah, probably 1999, 2000. Okay, sorry. Back to... Right, this is kind of pregnant. Kind of pregnant is current.

It's current. I'm gonna say, I think... I wanna know if you agree. I think also, if you go into it knowing it's a Happy Madison production, it all falls into place. Because it's a Happy Madison... It has that feel and tone that I love. Besides bridesmaids, you don't ever see women get to do that. Yeah, I mean women typically don't go for body humor. They don't go for like the barfing and the sink.

They don't go for like all of that stuff. But pregnancy is like a very good topic for that. Like the pregnancy stuff was pretty good. Like she steals, she gets the idea to be pregnant and steals it from a hatch. I just recently was in a hot store for the first time. That's a horror movie. Respectfully, I have never been inside a hatch store. I spent a lot of time on like a hatch online during both of my pregnancies,

being like, maybe if I stare at this long enough, I will will one of these pieces of clothing into being right for me. And I just have to tell you, they never were. Just because you're pregnant doesn't mean you have to dress ugly. If you're just ugly, also, those clothes aren't cut for most pregnant people. Like the dirty secret about pregnancy,

like clothes or whatever, and like models, is that most of the time it's like non-pregnant models wearing the bump that you see Amy Schumer steal in the hatch store. But so the clothes don't accommodate like the rest of your body. So not no hatch stuff ever worked for me also, you know, I do give you candy in the store, which is nice. That is even though I wasn't Amy Schumer. I was like, I'll have some of that. The thing where Amy Schumer, like, gets on the subway and is like,

oh, I finally get a seat. Like, that actually is a real feeling. And I remember like the last month of when I was pregnant with Sy. Like, I was just like, I gotta, I gotta go seize the day. I gotta like be out of the world and like, let people be nice to me because like, this is really gonna like end very soon. It's like me with my burnt down house. Which I only have a little more time to really milk that.

You think I have a little while? Yeah. At least one full pregnancy. I think a calendar year. Okay. Right? You know? And then like in 2026, Hatch is definitely not gonna send me anything but maybe other people.

I think it would fit you better than, you know. Um, I like that. I liked the, um, the whole mom, like, prenatal yoga scene and mama's day. Mama's day. It was so, it was like... This is like, this is... Why are you doing this? This is misogynistic. Why are you doing this to women?

Not the movie, the idea of that. Like, just because women are pregnant, what, now they're like lobotomized as well? They, you got this mama culture. Listen. Listen. idea of that, like just because women are pregnant, what now they're like lobotomized as well? The, the, you got this mama culture. Listen, listen, you do got this mama. And I don't like don't want to say like on International Women's Month. And there are situations in which like it works, but so many products now are sold to

pregnant women and like new mothers as like for the mamas, you know? And like, I find it so like blood curdling. It's infantilizing. It's, I just, I don't call me mama unless you're my son, you know? I'm like really, really not interested. I once quit like a workout video, like a prenatal thing, because it was just like this like not pregnant woman being like, okay mamas, and now it's time for child's pose. And I was like,

I physically can't do child's pose right now because I have a belly, but also like you keep calling me mama. So like, could you, could you think through this? That was very funny. She had a number of times she fell on the stomach. It was really good. Also, Chris Gears, I can't remember the character's name, random obsession with Red Table Talk and Jada. Oh, yeah, that was funny. A wonderful, I love that kind of just super random, like, ongoing bit that has nothing to do with anything.

And it's where you can tell that it's like, was not noted to death and or... Like, there's still some connection to the original person who wrote it, you know? Like, the specificity of the humor is kind of funny. I'll just go on. I'm a huge Amy Schumer fan. I love her. And I think part of what really worked for me with Kind of Pregnant, have you seen Life After Beth? I never watched that one.

Oh, my God, Amanda. It is one of the best shows of all time, in my opinion. It's in... I watched it twice. Okay. What is the premise again? It's actually way more serious than you would think. It's not like slapstick comedy. It's about Amy Schumer's character's mother dying and her like sort of... The after... Get it like...

The impact it has on her life and getting her... Changing her life because she her, changing her life because she has this sort of like profound realizations post her mother dying that she had a complicated life. It is so fucking good. And I think that's like an underrated Amy Schumer quality, which you'll see if you watch Life After Beth. She's like a deep thinking,

like kind of a more profound comedic person. And the through line, I think, of kind of pregnant that profound, comedic person and the through line, I think of kind of pregnant that I loved, my feminism right back in the body, is like the idea of how embarrassing it must feel to be like, I wanna have a baby and I can't because I have not met anyone and everyone's doing it and I'm not and like, you know,

that doesn't get talked about that much. Right, the exclusion. The exclusion, they're like, it's not... I mean, they did have her end up with someone, but also just like... Yeah, they wrapped this up pretty quickly. Like, it is a fairly, like, ridiculous story. And then...

But like, that level, the level of, like, desperate desire for a thing you can't have, causing you to do something so mentally ill, like pretend to be pregnant to everyone in your life. I thought it was like a really like underneath all the hilarity, like an interesting message. And it also, I wish I could remember more of the plot of I Feel Pretty, which was like-

I know me too. I think that's when she hits her head and she- And then she like loses all of her body image. Yeah, yeah, but it's like in reverse and she's like John Cena Is that one or that's the other one? No, that's trainwreck trainwreck. Also great movie. I feel pretty good It's like a little long but it's parts of it are okay. I'm Amy Schumer Santa. Yeah, I Don't know. I thought this was very charming. It does have real heart as you were saying I appreciate it. Like they all go to, like, a prenatal depression workshop,

and then, like, lots of jokes about constipation. And then randomly Molly Sims. Yeah, for, like, two seconds. Probably was the producer on the movie. Okay, well, good for her. Yeah, bring her in. Yeah, I liked it too. I say yes.

Yes, this is absolutely Garbage Woman. Yes, bang the gong, yes. I say, well, gee, would you say it's garbage women? Can garbage women movies be good? Great. Great. Thank you. Incredible segue. Incredible segue. Can they be good? Yes, they can. They can't be like Nora Ephron movies. OK, so they're not supposed to.

They're supposed to not be like a classic rom-com. They're not supposed to be cinematic works of art. But they can be enjoyable and well-crafted and like speak to something that is meaningful to us. The canon has a wide range of quality within the canon. Exactly. So then yes, Bang, Gavel. Right.

So the rules are, it has to be direct to streaming. How do you know that you're watching Garbage Woman? It's direct to streaming. It stars Nicole Kidman and or any other member of the Big Little Lies cast. Correct. And or any recent member of the Big Little Lies cast. Correct. And or any recent woman Oscar winner. Yeah.

Like best actress, best supporting actress. Right. In a direct streaming movie. Right. And or someone who used to star in hundred million dollar movies at the box office. That would be a Bishop. Yeah. And Lindsay Lohan.

And Lohan for sure. Right. I do think that counts. And who else? Cameron Diaz maybe? Sure. And Jennifer Lopez. But Jennifer Lopez is a good example.

Okay? Yeah. I didn't watch that one. It's okay. But I asked my mom who of course has seen it and she said it was great. I actually did think it was funny. Okay. So that, for the most part, these movies

aren't the worst movies that you've ever seen. They aren't. Some of them were for me, but. Yeah, sure. They just, they don't have like the level of care and sophistication that like really elevates them to all time classic. OK.

And there is also just like, you know, Nicole Kim and Reese Witherspoon and Hathaway, Cameron Diaz, like all just... Laura Dern. Laura Dern, all just making straight to Netflix movies. You know, like that feels a little bit garbage of itself. There's one on here that when we get to it, I will be pushing back on the garbage movie canon.

So you think, because you think it's like a classic. I just think it's an actual proper good movie and doesn't belong here. I mean, I, you know, I was brainstorming here. I was trying to bring some interest. I'm excited to talk about it because I'm so glad it was on the list because then I got to see like one really good movie.

Okay, so we'll just go through it and we can debate whether they go in or not. Then you can let me know if I've forgotten anything. Okay. But so, we'll just start with Big Little Lies Oscar winners. I've got it. Obviously, Holland, you know, it's the news peg for this podcast, but you know.

I don't know if I would recommend... If you're my parents playing solitaire, absolutely you should watch this film. Yeah, if you need to like hit the real real for a while. Yeah, exactly. Great, throw it on the back. You're not going to understand what's going on. No, that's the problem.

Is that if you're like really deep in your real real faves, then you will miss something. And I did have to like back ten, back ten, back ten a few times. Yeah. OK, but I mean, Nicole Kidman is starring in it, so ten a few times. Yeah. Okay. But I mean, Nicole Kidman is starring in it, so it's garbage. Yeah.

A family affair. Nicole Kidman, Netflix, 2024. Yassi. Speak on it. This is one of another horrible wig example where I'm like, what's happening here with your wig? I don't like to speak about people's appearances. That's such a lie. I love to speak about people's appearances, not such a lie.

I love to speak about people's appearances. I went down another Reddit thread because I was like researching. Zach Efron. Oh, well sure. He had all sorts of... I know he had a jaw surgery and his masseters were overdeveloped. Right. But also there's other stuff.

Okay. I would... So you think that the level of work being done... Just for both of them and without like, no judgment, I do work. I'll say it. I got some Botox. I mean... Send some other stuff. Oh really?

Yeah, Botox. Honey. I mean it looks great. No, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Since I was 33 years old. Ask me anything. I mean I've been on the sidelines for so long from a child's birthing perspective that I'm thinking about dabbling, but I haven't done it yet.

Well, I'm not here to recommend or to deny you, but. Not on this anyway, on our text stream where we just recommend dorms back and forth. Yeah, all sorts of things. Okay, thank you. You look great. Oh my God, thank you, you too. You don't really need it, honestly. I found their faces distracting is all I wanna say.

That part was difficult for me. In their defense, and in the defense of women of a certain age in front of cameras everywhere, speaking also to you and me. The cameras have gotten too good. No, I think that's part of the wig thing also. Yeah you and me. The cameras have gotten too good. You know? I think that's part of the wing thing also. Yeah, and so I do think that sometimes that like,

the production, like the lighting, the cameras, everything are like not aligned with the way people's like faces and hair are looking. We don't need it. We don't need this much definition. Let's take it back 10 notches. We were good. We had a beautiful time.

I agree with you, put Vaseline on the lens, you know? Maybe that's why you can't see the Kardashians. Okay, right, there we go. But it is a hallmark of these movies that at some point they just say, okay, well we're rolling and that's how it's gonna look. Yeah. All right.

Yeah. The family affair wardrobe from Nicole Kidman? Very good. Really aspirational to me. There's a sweater that I like took a photo. You know the sweater? When she's in the kitchen? No, when she's on the deck. It's like one second where he's there like in their love montage and he brings her like a coffee

and she's wearing this fish, like a large white fisherman sweater and I like paused and took a photo. I was like, where do I got that? Yeah, there was I mean, there was predictably a navy sweater, I think like crew neck, but maybe I do it's my favorite color. And she's like in the kitchen, which great kitchen, by the way, kitchen, maybe another like side bullet point of these movies, lots of great kitchens. Yeah, of course, because Nancy Meyers is another hallmark of this. And I think if the movie is written or directed by Nancy Meyers, it is not eligible for this. Also, like, all of her movies go to theaters.

Right. But like, if the holiday were straight to streaming, like, maybe it would be in garbage with it. Yeah, but yes, all great kitchens. My thing about the family affair house, great house, but like a very obvious, like Los Angeles, like mashup real estate lie of... I'm like, what did you write?

Fucking Harry Potter bitch, because this house. What are you writing? What books are you writing that bought you this house? The exterior, wherever they are is like supposed to be on PCH, but also this is pre-fires everyone, you know, we, yeah, so we love you. Um, but then it's like the exterior and the front of the house and the back of the house, like really don't match sort of like in a sound of music way. I don't know if you know that, but the front of the sound of music house and the gazebo

are two different locations. I just wondered, I was like, okay. Okay. Oh, you do. Oh, okay. You're right. I did not know that. know that, but the front of the Sounding Music house and the gazebo are two different locations. No, I just nodded and I was like, okay. Okay, oh you do, okay, you're right on that. I did not know that, no. Oh, okay. But I do know. We're big on Sounding Music in my house right now. But still a good kitchen, yeah, still a good house.

Great music, which you kind of texted me to watch out for. This one had really good music. The Wham opener, the Blondie sequence, when she's wearing the cool Blondie t-shirt while she's cleaning. It had good stuff. And also, okay, I didn't watch them in order. I tried to watch Your Place or Mine before this.

And then remembered, I literally have seen this film, remembered nothing about it. But refused to subject myself to it again. But I watched like 20 minutes of it. And then right into this, I was like, oh, the pacing of this and the dialogue is much better. A family affair. Yeah, then you're placed on mine. I thought it was genuinely funny. It's funny.

I like the quad father joke. Yeah, Joey King plays like a Hollywood assistant. Yeah. And I do always like, you know, behind the scenes, like making movies. Totally. Hollywood, baby. Watch the studio. It's movies. Like Hollywood, maybe.

Watch the studio, it's fantastic. But she's funny. She and Zac Zafran is very funny. Zac Zafran's very funny. He's very funny. Yeah, he's very funny. Nicole Kimmen is like sort of in a different movie, but that's okay because everyone else

is being funny around her. Yeah, it's just not her thing. I would... Kathy Bates. Oh yeah, oh my God, oh my God. Gorgeous Kathy Bates performance. I forgot that Kathy Bates is just like giving, like setting her free by the fireplace in like Tahoe or wherever they are. She's like an anchor, but she's up there up north,

so I don't know, maybe Napa or something. But yeah, she has big sur... She really grounds the film. Sure, yeah. Of course, normal stuff. You would not recommend this movie to others. No, I would. I mean, if you like garbage movie, women movie, this is like, I think, a higher up in the garbage.

I found it incredibly charming. I remember, and I think I watched it the day it came out. I remember speaking with colleagues and fellow garbage women appreciators who were far less enthusiastic at it. And maybe that just says that it's lower on the garbage women quality. I would say it's like a midpoint.

Like the montage where they try clothes on, okay, thank you, I don't need that. Although she looks phenomenal in a top hat and I was upset. Yeah, it didn't do anything to me. I like it, but again, I was very envious of that closet. Like, literally, like, the closet space, but also the things inside the closet.

I felt like her wig changed lengths throughout the... I mean, maybe she got a haircut. Of course. You know? Right, of course. I did think Joey King was great. I liked the subplot of her and being sort of, you know, self-obsessed. I did think it was kind of a nepo baby coming of age subplot because that was kind of what her vibe is.

But she seemed like a good assistant. She was working hard. She became a producer on Icarus Crush 7 or whatever. I forgot that's what it's called. This is definitely Garbage Women. I also, I had a nice time with it. You mentioned your place of mind. So do you want to go there? Because we're moving into the Reese Witherspoon section of things. a nice time with it. You mentioned your place of mind. So do you want to go there?

Because we're moving into the Reese Witherspoon section of things. We can talk about it. Again, I told you, I didn't re-watch it. And I don't, like, I have a vague memory of, yeah. So this is written and directed by Aline Brush McKenna, who wrote several, like, classic rom-coms, if not, like, my faves.

And then also wrote The Devil Wears Prada, which is one of the most important movies of our time. Did she not also do the TV show with Rachel Bloom? Is that why Rachel Bloom is in this movie? She did, yes. Which I did, I did actually kind of like that show. She wrote Morning Glory also, which is I think the most underrated, do you know about this one?

No. Rachel McAdams is like a TV news producer working at like not the Today Show, but like the third ranked, and then the anchors are Diane Keaton and Harrison Ford. And then she has a romance with like a news producer, Patrick Wilson. Oh, I know. I didn't even know about that.

I think it's really charming. Straight to streaming? No, no, no. It was like 2010. Saw it with my dad at Christmas and when we left the theater, he was like, that should win Best Picture. So... Obsessed with your dad's criticism. He has a real...

He has a love for cinema and a unique sensibility. Anyway, Aline Roche McKenna, very talented. This had some issues. Yeah, it was not a good movie. It's really not very good. I think a lot of it is the total lack of chemistry between Reese Weatherspoon and her co-star Ashton Kutcher. Who a little past his prime if I'm being feminist again. The tape exists, and so I have to say this.

I do think he surprised me with how handsome he looked in this movie. I met him in, did I tell you this? I met him in person once. And I was, like I was shocked floored at how gorgeous. I didn't even thought, like I was like, he's not my thing, whatever. And in person, I was like, oh. So I understand why you're in movies, right?

No, he's just like, he has a glamor. He looks fine. It's not like he looked bad or anything, but like, there was something a little lot, a little dead behind the eyes. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe it's that lack of charisma between the two of us. It does also, I mean, the film is like sort of riffing on Sleepless in Seattle in the sense that they are in different places throughout the movie and they just have to do a lot of

split screen. Yeah. They are in different places throughout the movie, and they just have to do a lot of split screen. But they also then are not in the same place. And he is like very clearly on like a green screen soundstage with like a picture of Dumbo projected behind him. She's also a writer, an aspiring writer. She's being a CPA or something, but she's in her heart. She's a writer. This came out in 2023 and her fashion as a aspiring silver-like writer and an actual

mom, she's not aspiring there, I felt indicted and upset. Most of it I wouldn't wear, but there was one pair of jeans where I was like, oh, should I research those? And then that had, that was like a moment of reflection. Right. You had to do some introspection after that. And then I like, I don't think I've worn clogs since, you know, cause you just like can't be. And I like, I ride for number six, but at some point you just like, you have to say goodbye. at some point you just like, you have to say goodbye. Yeah.

So, it's tough. They don't have chemistry and it's like very boring to watch them. It's just like also another garbage woman trope is like, the man, he can't commit. He's a playboy. Right. Yeah. You know, he just can't do it. Yeah. Except with you.

Right. So. I mean, I think that is both, like, classic rom-com and also... All of these... A garbage women trope is that, for the most part, these are women in their 40s. Yeah. This is like kind of everyone starred in rom-coms or Oscar-winning films in the 90s and 2000s when they made those.

And now they have to make roles for themselves and often have to imagine like the next generation of women's lives. I was glad that he wasn't younger because I'm... Yeah. We'll talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm quite sick of that. They all have jobs, you know, so that's good. And it's nice that none of them are like dependent on these men for really anything other than emotional or sort of sexual fulfillment.

But there's not a lot of sex in any of these either. Just kind of disappointing. Except we're kind of pregnant. Yeah, that's true. Oh my God. That is a really funny sex scene. Big sex scene, yeah. But yeah, so... It's just not a good movie.

The writing is bad, the dialogue is bad, there's no chemistry. There's no chemistry. It's kind of boring. She's charming, so... It's just not a good movie. The writing is bad, the dialogue is bad, there's no chemistry. There's no chemistry. It's kind of boring. Yeah. She's charming, but... I mean, it is Garbage Women, but... Yeah.

The other Reese Witherspoon entrant, you're cordially invited. We have talked about this on The Big Picture this year. Yeah. Directed by Nick Stoller, starring Reese Witherspoon and Will Ferrell. Correct. I didn't really know what to make of this. I did laugh at times. Yeah.

And I mean, I guess it's a rom-com. Though here's the thing is that like, it's a garbage woman movie, half baked, married with a garbage boy movie. Yeah. Or like a garbage young person movie, a garbage Gen boy movie. Yeah. Or like a garbage young person movie, a garbage Gen Z movie, because you could make a movie about the daughter.

Right. Right. And then a movie about Reese Witherspoon, but they're kind of jammed together. Yeah. There were definitely funny moments. Yeah. I laughed. Sure. Yeah. As I said to you, the Southern family, who's just

like, I don't know what you're talking about. That did really resonated for you. Yeah. I saw some of myself there and Reese Witherspoon looks fantastic. Couldn't get over it. I was like, if this was just a vehicle for how good she looks. She looks amazing. They figured the cameras out on that one. Yeah. She looks so good, I don't, I'm sorry, I don't buy it that you are attracted to Will Ferrell. Well, that's the other problem, right? And that's another thing where this is, this is a romantic comedy where there is no chemistry

between the people. Even though they're both very funny on their own, but it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah. That's a... Again, my parents were like, it was funny. And I was like, okay. I mean, it was kind of funny. Sure.

And I was happy to watch it, and I watched it opening weekend, which is, I guess, all they can ask of us. I loved the Southern family. I thought they were the funniest part. Right. I mean, it basically would have been better if it were just about Reese Witherspoon.

Right, and being a sort of girl boss. Right, but then number one, it's like, Sweet Home Alabama, which is tough on a number of levels. And- You got a baby in a bar? Right, and then you don't have Will Ferrell. And I would like a Will Ferrell movie too. He was very funny.

Yeah. I love him. The best joke, and I'm not gonna spoil it, but the best joke of the entire film, which I'm pretty sure was slapped on at the end, was the very last scene when they're in the car. Oh, I don't remember. Maybe I turned it off. When she's like, wait, do you have a job? It's I don't know, but it's, I laughed really hard at that joke.

Um, okay. The here, this it's all been leading to this. And we, by the way, we're still just in the big little lies Oscar winners category. We haven't even gotten to non big little lies Oscar winners. This is an epidemic, but we do need to talk about Lonely Planet. So you watch Lonely Planet at my request.

I have asked everyone in my life to watch Lonely Planet. And I think you and Julia, well, Julia, I've been- Why are you punishing people? Recommended it to me. Because I couldn't believe what I was watching throughout the entire, entire film. It is... Again, she's a writer.

Sure. So this is... Laura Dern. Came out last year. Stars Laura Dern and Liam Hensworth. Is that Miley Cyrus's ex-husband? Yes. Yes.

He of Flowers and Malibu and all of that fame. And fantastic job he did on reigning in his Australian. He's Australian. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never let that slip. Good for him. Yeah. Kudos. This is written and directed by Susanna Graham.

And Laura Dern plays a writer who goes to a residency in, I believe, Marrakesh in Morocco. Correct. A writer's residency. And then somehow befriends the finance boyfriend of like another... Ingenue writer who is just published. Yeah, she's like an Instagram poet.

Yeah, she's a Rubycower. Yeah, exactly. And they are both discontented with their lives They are both discontented with their lives. And through a stolen bag incident and some insights about the NFL play calling system, they find new meaning in each of their lives. Couldn't have said it better myself. It is, everything about it is so preposterous.

And once again, the number one question is Laura Dern. Like, what's going on here? Laura Dern wanted to go to Morocco. And they were like, this was, I was like, you know what sis, if they were like, you can come and we're gonna film in Morocco and we'll pay you this amount of money, we're gonna film for four days

and then you can do whatever you want. This was just my theorizing. I'd be like, yeah, I'm coming, and you get to make out with Liam Hemsworth. I was like, well, I've done enough good movies. They do make out. Yeah. But that's it. Yeah, there's no, like, sex scene.

Yeah, they don't spend the night together. Do they? I mean, it's like... They do spend the night together, when they go on that little... Is it implied? Sex? Like, in that... They sit in one room. In that closet?

Or when they go on vacation vacation Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true right. What are they trying to find? themselves no, um He just wants to that's like when they're like solidifying their relationship. He's leaving his his Instagram Poet she cheated on I'm sorry. I'm telling them don't watch this movie No, I mean, I mean, no, no, no, I spoiled the NFL thing, but like not totally. So I... They, speaking of zero negative 200 chemistry.

I hope they use that play in the NFL, by the way. It is football related. I don't know whether it's college, high school, NFL. Because he was a football star in high school. Oh my God. I just remember that scene when she tries to guess his nickname and then guesses it on the first time. That was so stupid.

Also, so she said there's, like, beautiful writers' retreat, which is, like, again, the location and the real estate porn here is on. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Except, like, her palatial room is, like, too beautiful. So then she's just, like, in a closet somewhere else. Yeah, because I don't have water or something. Um, also, I'm sorry, your bag was lost,

but you have a dry bar level blowout every day. Explain that to me. Where's your face wash? The one pair of shorts that they put her in was, again, I thought a crime. Um, and I understand people travel in, you know, their most comfortable clothing. The shorts were really bad.

Don't do that to Laura Dern. She has great hair though. Yeah, she does look great. I mean, I guess that it was, but I'm not, the blowout was like the day before. It's like six days though. That's just grease falling out.

What's happening? I mean, I guess that's true. You bring your Dyson Airwrap on the carry-on? I don't think so. Listen, if you are bringing the Dyson Airwrap, do keep it on your person. You do not want the airline to lose that. You're so right.

Do you Airwrap? No, I actually tried to AirStraight. This is like the most female, we are the most feminist big pig pot. There's not one man still listening to this. They're like Dyson Airwrap. I tried to use the air straight yesterday because I'm going to cut my hair.

I'm doing a bob. Oh, that's exciting. Spoiler alert for you guys who care about my hair. And I was like, but I need to straighten it because my hair is curly. And it did not work for me. Okay. I think I need the full on damage heat.

Oh, okay. So it's a different attachment or a different machine? It's a different machine. It's like different machine. It's like a flat iron version of the Airwrap. Oh, okay, I got it. I see. I read a lot about the Airwrap, which for those of you not listening and not following

along for some reason, is like a viral, very expensive hair tool. It's a very high quality blow out brush with several other attachments that uses, like, patented Dyson technology. And it's like $600, and it's, like, really big on TikTok. And I watched, like... I do want one. It's too much work, is what I ultimately decided.

I was like, I am actually not that patient. Do you blow your hair out? Sometimes, yeah, but I have just, like, a sort of, like, the round dry dry brush thing because I can't be, it's too much. Okay. Lonely Planet is an incredible movie that's definitely going in the garbage cannon.

100,000%. The final one I just put in to be cute, have you seen Let Them All Talk? The Steven Soderbergh movie starring Meryl Streep and Candice Bergen. That's the one I wanted to push back on you. I thought that was a really good movie. It's a fantastic movie.

It's actually really good. But it literally, it meets all the criteria. It was straight to max. Meryl Streep, Big Little Lies, Star Season Two, Oscar winner. Yeah, but it's way too good. About women. It's way too good to be in this. They filmed it on a boat.

There's no romantic real plot. Except unless you count the subplot of the nephew. Yeah. It's Meryl Streep, national international treasure. Diane Weist who I love. Candice Bergen who I love triply. That's my girl. Listen, speak on it. Women of a certain age, not even of a certain age of the other garbage can and we're talking another rung up. Right. And it's about, it's about bigger themes, right? It's about friendship, relationship, betrayal, like she is a writer, so that does tick that box. It's kind of all there. I mean, yeah. So sometimes they improvise the dialogue. Garbage women can be good. Steven Soderbergh tried to do this. We could take multitudes. Whatever. Okay, I'll put it, but it's at the top of Mount Garbage Women.

That's fine. This is the shining star. That's fine. I loved it. It's really good. It's really good. All right. So we can expand the aperture a bit.

So non-Big Little Eyes Oscar winners. There are more here than you want there to be. The most obvious one is the idea of you, Anne Hathaway, Amazon Prime, adaptation of a very successful romance novel. Which is fanfic. Which is fanfic. The character does bear a lot of resemblance

to Harry Styles, right? Are you a Harry Styles girlie? Does he do it for you? Yeah, I get it. But I'm not like, I haven't been to a concert. Um, I, for a long time, I didn't, I hadn't listened to any of the songs. And then one day I was like, oh, so that's what watermelon sugar is?

I've heard that before, you know? Yeah, sure. Uh, but yeah, sure. He's, I get it. He seems to have charisma. Yeah. The guy playing whatever version of him and the idea of you does not have charisma. Oh, you don't think so? I thought he was so hot.

You know what? I, so, this is interesting. I, you don't think so? I thought he was so hot. You know what? So, this is interesting. I don't know if he has charisma, but he's really hot. Yeah, sure. Everyone in these movies is beautiful. British accent, for me, is a real easy swap out for charisma. I'm like, if you have a British accent, I'm buying it. I'm in. I'm sold. My problem was that I did not believe that he was worth all of the hoopla

that Anne Hathaway had to go through. Oh, there is no earned relationship. Yeah, even in including like the sex scene, which I guess was okay, but was really not that hot. No. So this is Anne Hathaway is a gallery owner. That's what we're like. Who accompany, but that was not Los Angeles Angeles and accompanies her daughter to Coachella

Triggering this is a horror movie for me and on many levels and I'm gonna explain to you, but it was absolutely for a One Direction type bands meet and greet meet and performance. Yeah, it has One Direction headline Coachella. Yeah, see I don't think so I've never been a coachella. I was asked that was also fanfic that was aspirational. Yes, and Then the so she's wearing sandals. What are you in tonight? Can you not to the Coachella? Are you insane? Well, I Wouldn't know because I've never been to Coachella, but I actually do like that outfit and like of all of the aspirational mom Wardrobes, I was was like oh that is pretty good and I have sort of a she's wearing like an ombre shirt and I have I bought an ombre

button down. You're inspired. Yeah. Okay, my hair goes all the way up. Anyway, the Harry Styles type guy takes an interest in Anne Hathaway. Who wouldn't? She's drop dead gorgeous. She's truly stunning.

Yeah, no she looks incredibly beautiful. And then they have like a passionate love affair, transcending continents, generations, and her ex-husband's approval. Played by the guy from Veep, whose name I don't remember. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. He's pretty mean.

This was, I, this is, this is directed by Michael Showalter. Yeah, I saw, I wanted to give it. It's not bad. It's not poorly made. No, but it's like, okay, why can't, in bold, why can't the writing be good? I mean, it's tough. It's co-written by Jennifer Westphal, who I love.

Yeah, but there is, like, grownups made this movie. Your point about, like, it doesn't seem worth you throwing up, like, here's, I just, I'm sorry to do a dramatic reenactment, but there was just one moment that the dialogue was so bad I had to write it down, where they're talking and she goes, okay, Hayes Campbell, that's his name. And he goes, not the first and last name. I can't remember. That was Scottish. Was that Scottish? I'm so sorry, I'm not good at accents. Unlike Nicole Kinman. And then she goes, you don't like that?

And he goes, it just doesn't tell the whole story. And then she gets really serious and goes, I can see that. And I'm like, what? See what? What are you even talking about? And this is supposed to be like a moment where they've really deeply connected.

And I'm like, you've known this man for one day what can you see what are you guys even fucking on about and then they're in love and I'm like okay I need to just like you need to earn it a bit more. Well they're like not in love then they're just like having sex but then they're but then they're separated because TMZ gets the photos and she goes to camp and her daughter's like really mad. Why the hell did she, first of all, why did she fly coach to go see him?

Why are you in coach? I was so thrown off by that. I was like, well, she's doing it herself, right? I don't know. I thought, no, she called him. She didn't surprise him. Yeah, but I think that- If that pop star doesn't send me

a fucking first-class flight, I'm not coming. Listen, you, the host of Bland's plan, you set the rules and I mean, I'm not coming. Listen, you, the host of Bland's Plane, you set the rules, and I mean, I agree with you. But I do think she was doing it herself, or that she was supposed to be empowered, you know? Him playing the acoustic guitar in the bed, so triggering for me, so triggering. It's really, really, really tough.

No one wants to be a part of that. And then, her daughter is a great actress, who's like 25, so. Perfect casting, cause she looked so much like she could be Anne Hathaway's daughter. Yeah, except like that person doesn't need to go to sleepaway camp because she's a grown up. Yeah, she's not.

It's OK. She's meant to be like 15 in the movie. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah. I'm like, this is a woman. Right. I'm also kind of like sleepaway camp is letting people check TMZ every day.

No, they didn't have phones. So I think it was not till they got picked up Oh that everyone found out about it because they were like freed from the tyranny of phone jail or whatever. Okay It's I wasn't really a camp person were you a camp person no Weird movie I don't how you enjoyed it. I didn't. You didn't enjoy it. I mean there were some parts where I enjoyed it.

I just love her. She's so beautiful. Yeah. But like from the beginning where they're like Maggie Rogers song and the silver like sunset junction sign. I was like, oh no, come on. I don't deserve this. The obligatory all time reference. All time is a...

Maybe if you're not here and not, I don't want to be like a snob and like, oh, this is, like, yeah, if you're not here, it probably doesn't hurt that much to see these things, but I was like, I want to hear about all time. Glendale is a soap opera. I've always wanted to go to Glendale. Also, the piece of art that she's like, it makes me feel everything, that is one of the ugliest

pieces of art I've ever seen in my life. It is really, really ugly. Yeah. Okay. But it goes in. Your best friend and co-host, Seanathan Fantasy, gave this three and a half stars on Letterboxd. He really liked it. I was blown away. So he's a big Anne Hathaway stan. Same, but...

And listen, I think if you're just like coming to this movie, it plays as a movie. It is a movie. You know, it is a movie. The actors are clearly visible and it's in English. And I will give it that. And I do think also because it was in Hathaway and because it was like directed by Michael Showalter

and like a little buzzy, people saw it, which is some of the garbage women movies like, we're alone, you know, in the salt mines with Lonely Planet, you know? Like not everyone is sticking them out, but people saw the idea of you, so that's good. Okay, I'll give it. I like the Wang Chun needle drop.

I'll be sort of positive. All right, so this one is borderline, but I have a case for it, The Good Nurse. Okay, that one I didn't watch. Yeah, so this is not a comedy. This is a thriller starring Jessica Chastain and Eddie Redmayne, but she plays, it's a Netflix film and she plays a nurse,

um, or some sort of like medical professional. Another allowable female job. Another allowable female job and like a working mom. And she is faced with something very horrifying at work. And so she's trying to keep her family safe and like do the right thing. and so she's trying to keep her family safe and like do the right thing. And is Jessica Chastain Oscar winner just in like a very pulpy, confusing, not-feech movie?

Eddie Redman also. Eddie Redman, also an Oscar winner. So it's like, it's definitely garbage something. Maybe it's like a Holland situation where they were tricked into thinking it was gonna be a really good movie and then it wasn't. I didn't see it, so I can't pass judgment. I don't think that Garbage Women has to be strictly romantic comedy.

I think that holds us in, you know? And we can be mediocre in a lot of different ways. And really, really famous actresses can take all types of bad parts. Sure, sure. But I, you know, this one, because it does also center on Eddie Redmayne a lot, it's more of like a garbage two-hander. Right.

So maybe it's more like- It's an equal opportunity, gender equality, garbage movie. Bridget Jones, Mad About the Boy. Well, you know how I felt about that. Yeah, you were on the big picture listening to this. Yeah. I loved it. But it's, do you think it's good?

In what sense? I mean, that is the question. On what metric? It's hard to say with a sequel because you have, like, so much built up goodwill for this character. And this is a fork wall. I would have seen it in the theater. A hundred percent. I was actually mad that I was robbed

of that experience of getting to go to Alamo Drafthouse or whatever and have a giant wine and some truffle popcorn with my gals and like live it up. Right, and so you did that with your parents at home? I did that with my parents at home. Did your parents like it? No, actually I watched that by myself. Oh, okay.

But I think my parents would have liked it. My mom is a, she's a fan. My dad would have probably not. I just remember your mom, I guess your mom watched the third Bridget Jones film with you. Yes. And said that's the baby. Yeah, and Patrick Dempsey's in it.

Right. She said he shouldn't talk. Yes, exactly. But he's very handsome. And that stayed with me. She has a real cutting thing to say about some celebrities. And I'm always like, oh, why do you hate this person so much?

I think, I mean, this is technically IP. And the original was theatrically released. Correct. And sort of like, and it was a big budget thing. Yeah. And made money and is a cultural phenomenon. And I love it dearly. I think it is Garbage Women.

Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Because, which I've been dying to talk about this whole time, the May-December. Is that what you call it when it's a woman and a man? Or is it the other way? I think it can go both ways. As seen in the film May-December, which is not eligible.

Because? Because, even though Netflix did acquire it and it was released. Well, it's more that It was released in the theater. Well, it's more that like, I guess it wasn't ultimately really nominated for Oscars, but it was very prestigious. Got it. So, yeah, it was, it's too fancy. Not to be like sixth wave feminism

or the feminism has left my body, but why are we pushing so hard for women to date younger men and it to be so empowering when it's, when men do it in movies, everyone's like, ugh, can you believe this crime against humanity that this man is committing? What is the fucking difference? I don't really, I don't understand

why we're doing it either. It doesn't do it for me. I guess there are many women who, for whom it speaks to them, like for whom it is appealing. And that, you know, I'm not here to judge, I guess, as long as everyone is being, you know, consensual and responsible.

I think if the idea is like, no, women over 40 are still desirable. I'm all about that. Right. But if it's only to younger men, then it's a fetish. Do you know what I mean? Like, can you just put it with a regular age demand? You are observing a real commercial trend that is clearly making its way into movies

at like a, I don't know if it's over representative, but we've had a lot at once because people are like, Hollywood is like, oh, it seems like people who watch streaming movies are interested in this. It's kind of mama stay, but for dating. It's like you go girlfriend. It is troubling. In Bridget Jones, Mad About the Boy, there is that scene where he comes back

and she is like, she's being responsible for both of them, you know? And it's like, no, cause you need this life. And so maybe- Subverts the form of it. Maybe we think it's okay because the women are conscientious and are thinking about everyone as opposed to the men. I don't know. I don't know.

It is strange. Leo Woodall is the- Love him. Yeah, he was great in it. So he's very good. Okay, I have two more. Okay. Sort of controversial, but I just-

I think I only saw one of them. That's okay. So the first one, and this is a real self-own of Swartz here, but listen, everything's on the table. On the Rocks? Okay, I did see that one. Written and directed by Sofia Coppola, who is an Oscar winner.

So is she the garbage woman in this scenario? Well, she is the reason that it's eligible. So we're stretching it a little. And it was only, it's a 2020 movie. So it was co-produced, it was A24 and Apple. So I don't know whether it was ever intended to have a theatrical thing, but it just did streaming, I believe, because

of 2020. I don't know, maybe it was in theaters. 2020 was like really tough. I watched it at home. It stars Rashida Jones and Bill Murray. You know, there are parts of it. I thought it was kind of good. It's not bad. It's like not Sophia's strongest work, but it's not gonna be on the 25 for 25 list, sorry for the spoilers, but it does also fit, it's like about a mom who... Why does she have so many striped shirts? Well, I mean, I get it.

I know, but she has like every shirt is a striped shirt. Well, that's because that's how Sophia dresses. I see, right. This is I know, but she's like, every shirt is a striped shirt. Well, that's because that's how Sophie addresses. I see, right. This is her proxy for herself. Exactly. And her proxy for her relationship with her father.

Right. Which is also why she cast Rashida Jones, because she has a similar father, daughter, really, or had RIP. I do think Rashida Jones is a writer. Or maybe she's a hundred percent a writer. Yeah, she's definitely like spending time in a laptop. She's working on her novel that she was given

an advance for that she needs to turn in. Right, but it's hard because she's a mom. Yeah. And then her husband is like maybe having an affair. So then she and her dad like have high jinks, but it's kind of like melancholy because it's a Sophia Coppola movie. Yeah.

I thought, and then there's a really good Cy Twombly, um, in Bill Murray's apartment. Bill Murray's client's apartment. Oh, that's right. Yes, thank you. I just watched it yesterday, which is why it's... And this morning, actually. It's so beautiful, because it's Sofia Coppola. It's so beautifully shot.

Bill Murray, never a bad thing to say about that man. He's a phenomenal actor. The face acting he does, he's so charming. He's so wonderful. The story is okay. It's a little flimsy, but it's okay. I liked that it was like bringing up the ideas of like, can men ever be faithful?

Can, you know, like, can you hold your husband's interest if you have children and you're like, there's that great dialogue bit about you know, like, can you hold your husband's interest if you have children and you're like, there's that great dialogue bit about like him saying like, she's like, why did you cheat on mom? And he's like, you know, explains why. He was wonderful. Yeah, he's amazing. I, Jenny Slate, by the way, also is in this movie, just in like a repeating little like, Oh, the drop off mom. Drop off mom. Yeah, it's really funny. She was wonderful.

Yeah. I just, I like Rashida Jones, but I just, I was like, oh, I wonder if this would have been, I wonder if this could have been a better movie if there was a different act. Yes, with someone holding the center a little more. But she, I mean, it was so believable. I'm like, you are this like mom who, you know,

is, was raised probably by this man and has some money and is raising two children and... Yeah, I think that it's garbage women in text, but maybe not in like, in the trappings, and the, well, certainly not in the Sofia Coppola. Maybe like her and the character may get garbage women though, respectfully. Cause like, she does the thing,

which is all the other movies. I mean, I put them in the list for a reason. Yeah, you're like, you are not doing a thing, this character is not doing a thing that makes me root for you, or makes me want your husband to still be interested in you. Like, it's not like, oh my God, she's how could, which, you know, I don't want to spoil it, but whatever, what he does or doesn't do.

I'm like, who are you? Yeah. I think because it's 2020, it's like, it does not represent the last three to four years of like big names making like direct to streaming, like slightly half baked romantic comedy-esque movies, which is like the bread and butter of garbage women and like is an observable trend. But I do think it counts. I think it counts too. Okay, the other one I'm going to be honest, I didn't get around to watching it. Did you watch any of Unicorn Store? No. From 2017 starring Brie Larson, who did win an Oscar. I didn't either. We don't know. We won't find out.

We'll never know. It's a mystery. I did make a list of some films that are not eligible in this category. OK. Julia Roberts for Ticket to Paradise, which despite what you might remember, did play in theaters. I don't even know what that movie is.

That also stars George Clooney. Nope. Oh, it's actually I. Oh, right. It was like they wereoney? Nope. Oh, it's actually... Oh, right, it was like they were old... It's like, oh, they're reunited, they're older, and it's a rom-com, I didn't say. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

In the style of that Keanu Reeves and Winona Ryder movie that I really did like even though it wasn't good. I think that were it not, had it not played in the theaters... You wouldn't have seen it. No, no, no, it would be Garbage Woman. And frankly, I really enjoyed it. Okay. But, you know, is it Pretty Woman? No, it, no, it would be Garbage Woman. And frankly, I really enjoyed it. Okay. But, you know, is it Pretty Woman?

No, it is not. Okay. Charlize Theron, The Old Guard, which is a movie I've seen, but there's like some superhero sci-fi. Well, I can't remember sci-fi elements. I didn't revisit it because I think... that like action movie-ness of it makes it a different type of garbage movie. I love her bomb. Oh, is that why also Cameron Diaz movie wasn't part of this makes it a different type of garbage movie. I love her bomb. Oh, is that why also Cameron Diaz movie wasn't part of this?

No, it's at the bottom. Oh, okay. Because we can talk about like, there is, there's no like domestic life stuff in the Old Guard that I recall. Got it. It's more about like, you know, world building. And I think like maybe they're like gods or something at the end. I didn't revisit it.

I'm sorry, don't yell at me everyone, but it's not in. Sandra Bullock for Bird Box. Oh yeah, it's a horror movie. It's a horror movie and I think that's something different. She can't see, I didn't see it. Previously mentioned May December, Natalie Portman and Julianne Moore. Too like fancy. Right, too prestigious.

And then Viola Davis is in a Netflix movie called G20, which comes out in like two weeks. I haven't seen it yet. Seems like it could be eligible, but I haven't seen it. So I don't know. Okay. I have kind of one that I just called Does It Start a Future Oscar winner?

Navigating a rite of passage with heart and possibly humor. Um, and this is Happiest Season, Chris and Stuart. Right. Which I do think counts. Yeah. Like a rom-com. Yeah. Which many of these are.

And Chris and Stuart does a lot of different types of movies, which I like about her, but she still is Kristen Stewart, one of the great actors of her generation. And also Aubrey Plaza, who's like, kind of the star of this movie. Yeah. Yeah. I think it, I think it... I think it counts.

It counts. Again, it's like a 2020 movie, and so it was on Hulu. And I don't know where... Garbage women, holiday garbage. Right, and that's another thing. So like holiday garbage is a different category. Right. A family affair was also writing the line of holiday garbage and garbage. There's Christmas? It's set at Christmas. There's a Christmas tree from the beginning and then they go celebrate Christmas with

Kathy Bates' grandma. Oh, that's right. But it's like California Christmas. Yeah. You don't notice it because it's there. I'm sorry. You're of California experience, so it feels like Christmas to you all of the time, but not for me.

So, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm you don't notice it. I'm sorry, you're of California experience,

so it feels like Christmas to you all of the time, but not for me. Yeah, so all of the Netflix Christmas movies. Don't are disqualified. They are not garbage women, even though they are, you know, they are for women. They are and feature women. But it's like that. It's garbage holiday, as you said, not garbage. So happiest season on the line. Okay, the last four that I have eligible are, I think, all absolutely dynamite.

So kind of pregnant, we talked about. Loved. Yeah, but like true garbage women. Yeah. Irish Wish. Love Irish Wish. So do you feel that it goes in garbage romance or does it work here? I call this category former box office juggernauts.

Right. Who... It's so hard because Lindsay Lohan has not been that for so long that she's almost like transitioned into the new category. For our generation. Okay, yes. For you and me here today, the two garbage women making this podcast, Lindsay Lohan is important. Yeah, I agree.

So- And Irish Rush was kind of her comeback. And it was like a fit. Like my face is beautiful again. I'm back bitch. And in a similar way to your place or mine, I don't remember anything about it except that I loved it. And I didn't have time to rewatch it,

but I did actually really like it. And it also brought other people into the garbage woman. You know, it's not lonely planet. No. We were all experiencing it together. So I think that has value. And they had chemistry, I thought. Yeah, it was good.

Okay, Shotgun Wedding, your mom liked. Oh, Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez. And what is the man's name? Fergie's ex? Oh, Josh Duhamel. Is that who is it? I think so.

Okay. I definitely watched this movie when it came out. Yes, Josh Duhamel. And then there's a great Lenny Kravitz plays a small role. So Jennifer Lopez qualifies for you because she was in Out of Sight and Selena. Yeah, and Maiden Man and the Wedding Planner. The Wedding Planner. And Jennifer Lopez. And one of my projects in life... Is to watch all of her movies?

No, not just that. And also, we're going to talk about a couple that I haven't seen. No. Is to respect Jennifer Lopez and what she has brought to the world of cinema, to the world of music, to the world of free mixed liquor drinks, to the tabloids.

She works hard. She's given us so much. She works so hard. So I take her seriously and she's also a brand name. She's Jennifer Lopez. She's incredible. So there are a few Jennifer Lopez, there are many Jennifer Lopez straight to streaming movies that are not eligible because to me

they're too like action. Okay. You know, like Atlas, which was recently on Netflix. I think also The Mother and that it's it's sort of like Jennifer Lopez doing Liam Neeson roles and or sci-fi roles. Okay. Which... Oh, she was so good in what's this, that crazy sci-fi movie with Vincent Genofrio. I fucking love that movie.

I'm trying to think. The Cell, The Cell. The Cell? You've never seen The Cell? I've never seen The Cell. Oh my God. Oh, this, oh this, yes, okay, sorry. I thought you were like doing like The Cell. She never seen the cell. Oh, my God. Oh, this, oh, this, yes. OK, sorry. I thought you were doing the cell.

She has so much range. Like, Glendary Glen Ross. She has so much range. Oh, yeah, I know. And also, she's like Jennifer Lopez. But the, so like, Atlas and the mother aren't really on this because they don't, like, sci-fi, my, you know, it just goes,

garbage sci-fi is its own genre, garbage, Liam Neeson is its own thing. It doesn't contend with women's issues. Right, I'm realizing now that I totally forgot Marry Me, which is her direct to Peacock streaming video. Oh, yes, I saw part of that and I believe I bailed. Owen Wilson, fun fact, this is the first movie that my son Knox ever saw. He was two days old.

Okay. And he sat there on the couch with me. Core memory for him. Yeah, absolutely. You shaped his neuroplasticity. It's really shaped everything that's coming. So I think Marry Me would also be eligible. I think so, yeah.

Even though I have not finished it. But it's not very good, even though Juliette Lemon will ride for the music in Marry Me, because she's a pop star who's like set up. She's married to another or because she's a pop star who's like set up. She's with, she's married to another or set up with another pop star. No, with Owen Wilson, because he's holding up a Marry Me sign at one of her concerts. But before that she's married to another pop star

who cheats on her or something, isn't that? I think so. I only watched the beginning. Yes, yes, yes. And then they bring him into her world to be like, wouldn't it be great if. Right, and then it's like set up, but then they fall in love, sure. Shotgun wedding... I don't totally... I mean, it's set at a wedding.

And then I think that like someone's in the mafia. And not in the mafia, but like... Such a wedding. Oh, they're all taking hostage. That's right. That's right. It's very funny. She's really good at it. It's like, you know, a destination wedding. So like a resort location, lots of funny characters. Um, well, she's kind of doing like screwball comedy.

Bringing in a little wedding planner. I liked it. It worked. I laughed. You and my mom, she liked it. Okay, so I think that counts. Final one is back in action. This is the Cameron Diaz, Jamie Foxx, family action comedy. Yeah.

It does, it is Jamie Foxx and Cameron Diaz together. So it is like a two-hander, but, and they are like former CIA agents, I think CIA. I don't know. Yeah. Who their cover is exposed and so they have to... And she's pregnant. They... She... I just watched this. Well, I didn't finish it.

Like, in the past. Oh, in the past. Oh, I see. But like, when the movie starts... Yeah, they're... They retired from the life because they were having a baby, and now they're just normal parents, and then their cover is exposed due to an insane nightclub fight scene when they go to fetch their daughter, who is 16 and also has to be the nightclub.

Right. But so... It is about both of them, but it's really about, can Cameron Diaz be both a mom... And a spy. And a spy and a daughter? Because then there is also her mom issues with Glenn Close, just like doing... I mean, Glenn Close will show up for anything at this point and do an accent as well.

So in that sense, the focus is more on her and it is as much about like, you know, family stuff. And also the only time I laughed was mid action fight when Cameron Diaz is just like, look away, honey, you know, or something like that, but does it with perfect comedic timing. But it was like a family laugh instead of a, like, action unit laugh. Right, right, right.

I think maybe it could count. I think it could count. Again, I watched this with my family. I did not. I left. They finished it. I don't know what happened at the end. I'm sure it doesn't matter to be honest. But I do, I saw everything that you're talking about and I think it counts.

Even, especially with the Cameron Diazness of it all, I just, there's, yeah, she's really... She hasn't been in anything for a while, so and it is like, like beloved actress who used to be in a type of movie. Yeah, something about Mary. Like that you went to the movie theaters all the time, emblematic of an age. Yeah, I love her.

Is like back making something not very good, but a star vehicle on a streaming service. Which I believe was Heavily Watch. Yeah, sure. I mean, who knows what people are up to. You know what I'm saying? While they're doing whatever on their phones. Doing the dishes or whatever. Yeah. I love her. I love Aveline Wine.

Everyone knows that about me. And I think it counts, but I don't hold it against her. Wow. Jack Sanders has been making notes as we go along. Oh. Screaming into the void. Yeah. This is, okay, but, so I'm going to read them out.

But Jack, I think a family affair, you're cordially invited and your place in mine are also in the garbage cannon. Lonely planet, let them all talk. The idea of you, Bridget Jones, mad about the boy on the rocks, kind of pregnant, marry me, shotgun wedding and back in action. Did you say happiest season? What, where do we go on happiest season? Cause it was sort of holiday garbage.

So maybe not. I can't, it's so hard to tell that one. Okay, we can put it in. We're in charge. We can do whatever we want. I say that to Sean all the time. Okay. Now that I've read the list to you,

how are you feeling about the garbage women canon? Not as like, not as this exercise. We had a great time, but how do you feel about this type of movie? How do you feel about this social experiment that I just put you through? Yeah, I don't wanna do this again. You don't! I loved it with you.

Yeah, but you won't seek out the next Jennifer Lawrence straight to streaming. Here's the thing, there's so many good films I haven't seen. I mean, sure. And I just want to note for the record, I love coming on the big picture, but I just hope I'm not being typecast as the garbage movie expert. Because it does, you guys, I can talk about good movies too. I do watch good movies.

No, I, listen, it depends. What's the vibe? Is it the holidays? Even if it's not a holiday one, I'll watch good movies. Um, no, I, listen, it depends. What's the vibe? Is it the holidays? Even if it's not a holiday one, I'll throw it on. That's like a, that's a fast and loose time where we're just lobotomy braining around. Right. Yeah, do I need to watch it with my parents? Then yes, I'll watch it.

Okay. But, um, left to my own devices, I'd like to get through some of my unwatched, uh, letterboxed, uh, lists and- Okay, so you're, you through some of my unwatched letterboxed lists. Okay. So you feel you're too high-minded. Would you prefer it if the garbage women movies elevated themselves to your letterboxed to watch list? Would that, do you want them more prestige? I don't think they could be. I think this is, I think you're, this is a paradox. Okay.

Like that's why I pushed so hard against Let Them All Talk. Alright. Because I'm like that is, it's far too good to be a garbage women movie. Like it kind of like catapults itself out of the, of the genre. I think you need to free your mind a little. I think, I guess also. So what are you watching when you want to turn your brain off? Oh, um, Grey's Anatomy.

Sure. I'm like, maybe I'm more of a garbage television watcher. So that's the thing, is that I'm here trying to find a space in cinema for my garbage taste, too. Got it. Got it. You know? Yeah. And so we have room for all the really good movies. Well, you know, like, I loved Hot Frosty famously.

That is in fact why I texted you about this. Because I was like, do you watch movies other than Hot Frosty? But the thing is Hot Frosty knows what it is. I think some of these garbage women movies are trying to, they're trying to pull one over on me. They're trying to be like, no, this is good. And I'm like, it's not. Well, because they're trying to pull one over on me. They're trying to be like, no, this is good. And I'm like, it's not.

Well, because they're trying to pull... Like, a family affair works because I think it knows that it's silly. Yes. And it's also, I think it knows that it's trying to do the broadest audience possible. Whereas, like, Lonely Planet doesn't know that it's silly. Lonely Planet is just one of the most profound achievements of just weirdness that I've ever seen in my entire life.

I really love these movies. Because I don't feel seen very much at the movies. You don't wish there was more like, mom... writer... mom that's a writer movie that was maybe more contending with larger themes. Did you happen to see Nightpitch? I didn't. So the Mariel Heller...

I didn't even really like the book. ...Amy Adams movie. Well, I didn't even read the book, so congratulations to you. I did see the movie while on parental leave. And typically... How did you feel about it? Well, so typically I have not been

like a Mariel Heller person. Right. Like as Sean says, it's sort of like black licorice filmmaking to me. But I did feel that all of this stuff about being a parent to a toddler was like very accurate and, you know, lived in and came from someone who had both experienced that but is like good at filmmaking and knows how to communicate the situations and the feelings in film. Sean and I believe it was,

uh, Ramahony and Joanna did a podcast about it. I listened to the episode, yeah. And Sean was trying to figure out, like, why aren't there more movies about this time period in life? And for me, it was like deeply... Triggering. I was just kind of like, I don't want to spend my free time like watching this, you know?

I don't want to spend my free time being reminded of the really difficult parts of having a kid. Like, it's very hard and I learn it all the time. I live it a large part of the time anyway. So, I think I prefer my mom content in ridiculous situations, like big little lies or a family affair or... I don't know, I guess none of these people

are, have tiny children. Because I guess Bridget Jones mad about the boy. Yeah, they're small, and that was funny. So no, I kind of want absurd, sometimes I want dumb stuff too. I get it. You know? Yeah. That's where I am.

I just told you I watch Grey's Anatomy in 2025. I'm caught up. So is Juliette Lippman. Love it. Juliette, shout out my dog, my Grey's family. We love that show. What's the latest with Meredith? I don't wanna spoil. Okay. You guys need to love it. Juliette, shout out my dog, my Grey's family. We love that show. What's the latest with Meredith? I don't want to spoil.

Okay. You guys need to watch it. Everyone's like, do you watch The Pit? And I'm like, I should, but I'm busy watching Chris Anatomy. So I wish most of these movies were slightly better, but I also don't want them to be too good. Yeah, like you want, I think a family affair. Or kind of pregnant.

I would watch that. Yeah, kind of pregnant for me is almost out of the, I'm not gonna fight it, but it's almost out of the genre, too, because it's so funny that it's just a basic good comedy. Whereas, like, I guess if you're a man who doesn't care about any woman's interiority or lives, you can't watch this, and good luck to you in life. But, like, to me, it's just a broad comedy. Like, anyone should be able to watch this and enjoy and laugh.

Right. Well, I would like that feminism. You said that was beautiful. I would like that for all of them. Yeah. You know, except maybe that's not maybe lonely planet. Like every once in a while, I need something like really random, like just, you know, an absolute God tier level actress taking like, the worst script to be able to go... To go to Marrakesh and be with Liam Hemsworth. There is something exhilarating about that.

So I hope Netflix keeps writing those checks. Again, that one tried to be high-minded. I think that was the hard part for me, where it was like... It was, there was like some financial systems critiques in there. There was the theory and then like, oh, this is what I apply to my life. But yeah, listen, I don't want to shit on this. I'm a feminist sometimes.

It is our month. It's our month. So we need to end on a spirit of positivity. Yes. Thank you for watching all of these movies. As I think we've learned that you don't seek them out. I was gonna say it was my pleasure, but that would be lying,

but I was happy to be here with you. That's solidarity, you know? That's women supporting women. That's right. That's right, bitch. So I really, I appreciate you. Thank you, Yassi. Namaste. Thank you to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thank you to our producer, Bobby Wagner. Thank you to powerful women everywhere. Next week on the show, Jack Sanders. I can't see you.

But next week you'll be able to. he's gonna make his on-camera debut I will be speaking to the next generation about how they watch movies. See you then