The Big Picture - The Movie Star Rankings: 35 Over 35, Revisited

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

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Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit Superstore.ca to get started. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about what else? Movie stars. We're talking about movie stars again. We're doing a movie star rankings once again.

Why are we doing this, Amanda? I was hoping that you could answer this. You and I have put a lot of work into this. Yes, we have. And we have a lot of fun on these episodes, but I did have like a 934 last night, like existential, like this is ridiculous. This is, this one in particular, 35 under 35 is fun, right?

It's, you know, the boundaries are a bit narrower. We're, you know, picking the up andcomers. Yeah, finding new talent, celebrating. There's like, there are somehow, the stakes are smaller. This, where we're just picking the 35 most famous movie stars of all time, is arbitrary made-up nonsense that makes me feel bad about myself, even as I put the list together and put my faves on. There is a practical reason why, at least I wanted to do this at this time, and I will share that right now. So we're talking about the 35 biggest movie stars over 35 years of age today. Now, last month, National Research Group, which is an analysis firm that shares data with various companies that hire them, circulated this new study that listed,

according to them, the top movie stars that would get people to show up to a movie in a movie theater. Now, this list, which Matt Bellany wrote about in his newsletter and talked about a bit on his show and has been written about quite a bit in the press over the last month, is really weird. And the big takeaway from that list has been old movie stars are as big as they've ever been. And we're having a hard time building up young movie stars because of the way that these people were rated. Now, I say this with no disrespect to National Research Group. I don't know all the details of their methodology. I think this is actually quite a fun exercise. But there's some weird stuff in their list and in their takeaways. One, they asked people in this study to just list five people that would get them to show up to see a movie. Who are the five people? In a movie theater.

Yes. I mean, that's a really key part of it as well. And that's a key part, I think, of this discussion and frankly, a key part of how we evaluated our list as well. Now, there's a difference to me between name recognition and name memory and who you would actually go see in a movie. For example, on their list, Johnny Depp is number nine. Johnny Depp has not been in a big movie in a long time. In fact, his most recent big franchise he was ejected from, the Harry Potter or Fantastic Beasts franchise. And he's considered largely unemployable in Hollywood. He makes a lot of small independent features and he works overseas. Now, there are various reasons for that, but he is not a top 10 movie star in Hollywood right now.

Safe to say. The Rock came in at number two on this list. The Rock's last two films are Black Adam, which was considered a significant failure, even with a superhero casing, and Red Notice, which every human I've ever encountered who's seen it can agree stinks. And also was not in theaters.

And did not play in movie theaters. And that's also a thing here. There are some very memorable names, some well-known people who have kind of abandoned making movies for movie theaters. And so I think as we talk through, we'll figure it out. But anyway, I thought that this study was fascinating. I think, of course, it's flawed like all of these things are, but there were some really big

revelations. When Bellany talked about it, he noted that folks like Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya, who I think we understand to be really true rising stars and who you can put franchises on the shoulders of and who people ostensibly would go to check out in a movie should be higher or why haven't they kind of pierced the consciousness the way that Tom Cruise did in 1985? That all is interesting to me, but there's also something here about hierarchy in terms of who can still get a movie made. And that I think will be part of our process as well. Did you have any thoughts on that study?

I thought it was very flawed. I also just think studies like this are like what's wrong with America, basically. And certainly what's wrong with like corporations and how we do business. And it's just like, oh, you know, we put like 2000 people in a room. They didn't really think through their answers.

And now we're putting billions of dollars on the line based on this. Like guys, come on. That said, of course, course it's interesting it's really fun to talk about movie stars we talked about this study um on jam session as well because it you know it it's hard to know how much of this is just almost confirmation bias of these are the only people who are in movie theaters or who have gotten enough marketing attached to their movie theaters and a lot of this really is about marketing and as you said because like who's what names are front and center in people's brains um and it turns out that johnny depp's pirates of

the caribbean like you know 15 year run has been more effective and his name front and center than any of the 30 something actors who have been in MCU movies because their names are not market it's not Chris Hemsworth it's Thor it's not Chris Evans it's Captain America etc so it I thought it was fascinating and reflected a lot of what we talk about on this podcast a lot in terms of the difficulty in making new movie stars and the difficulty in breaking things through. And also just really the association of movie stars with old people, which, you know, that is the major takeaway as Matt pointed out in his newsletter. It's like all of these people are very old. And I think Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya, the two examples that you mentioned, are like super famous, super successful movie stars who can do a lot. But, you know, Zendaya in particular is like a multi-hyphenate, I think, before she's a movie star. She's obviously a TV star.

She's a huge presence in the fashion world. Chalamet is interesting because he just kind of is in movies, but is also the internet's, you know, number one. Crush boyfriend. Right, exactly. And like, Timothee Chalamet has reportedly been dating Kylie Jenner. You know about this? I do, yeah. Yeah. See, but that's where we are, where that can just set the world on on fire but that is more happening on like TikTok you know and Instagram and monitoring what's happening which cars are leaving Kylie Jenner's house than like Wonka you know so what they're just the way defining someone in terms of a movie star is just like being like yeah that's an old famous

person and and that's you've identified i think what anybody's listening to this show who maybe listens because they hate us would say is why do you guys care about this this idea doesn't mean anything anymore it's not real my counter to that and the reason why i would want it to do this is because movies are in fact back the business is doing much better in many ways than it was two years ago when we did it. And a lot of the folks that we'll talk about today, there are a lot of films that are being made on the strength of their recognition.

There are still many actors in Hollywood who can create a go project. It has to be part of a bigger package and maybe a bigger package than ever before. But when we get into the top 10 or top 20 of this list, those people can really drive their futures in a lot of ways. They may not be able to make $150 million original movies, but they can make $75 million or $100 million original movies.

And so that is notable because it dictates the kinds of films that we get. And I think we're all a little angsty and exhausted by the IP era and IP generation. It's an inevitability. I love it. You're pivoting fully to Super Mario and I'm happy for you. But Bob, what's your relationship to this list and this idea of old movie stars? It's interesting because when you guys are talking about this and noting that Chris Evans is just Captain America, not Chris Evans, like I'm not going to see that from him.

It just, the way that you framed it that way, it triggered in my mind thinking how intentional this is by a lot of the movie studios. Like, we don't need to rely on these stars specifically as much anymore. And that's a better business decision for us. And so the like slow phase out of we absolutely need Tom Hanks to be here

or else people will not come to the theater, I think has kind of like watered down movies in a way because that movie star persona and coming to it and then sometimes subverting it makes for some of the best popcorn blockbuster movies that we've had and I think that that is kind of like

the source of a lot of the angst maybe of this particular corner of the you know movie media that we are in. There's always been a tension between what do people come to movies for? Is it spectacle or is it stars? Some of the very best movies blend those two things, but going all the way back to the 1920s and the sort of rise of the Hollywood studio system, stars were under contract because it was understood that they drove interest in the films. In some cases, that's still true. Tom Hanks in particular is someone I'm excited to talk about

because he is still doing something to this very day that I didn't think was possible. Yeah. And I'm kind of amazed by it. And we have not devoted any time to A Man Called Otto on this show. I was going to say, do you mean writing novels? Because that's also a thing that he's doing. I'm quite proud of it.

Collecting typewriters? I'm sure there are other men doing that. There are not other men in America right now opening $100 million old man character dramas. So he still wields this unusual power in our culture. Yeah, that's right. Are you ready to apologize to Tom Hanks? Well, no, because I have someone ahead of him on our list

who I think still supersedes him. But that's a bigger conversation. I think we should just talk a little bit about the parameters of the list we put together. I don't know how we're going to get through this episode in this period of time, but we're going to try. There's a lot to say. Do you have a hard out? I mean, I always do. And then inevitably, I start pushing everything back.

That was amazing growth right there, Amanda, asking him early before we get 90 minutes in. And then he's like, we have 90 more seconds. You call it growth. I call it self-preservation and protection. Okay. I was like, I know what to ask now. I'm going to use this as an opportunity once again to say to all the people who think that all I do is watch movies and talk about them on the podcast.

That's not my whole life. Okay. I have many sides of my life, many sides of my career, many sides of my personal life. These things get in the way of recording sometimes. I'm sorry to you. I'm sorry to Julie Roberts. These things happen, okay? No, but let's keep going.

Let's keep going. This is a subjective list. This is actually... We made it up. We made everything on this list up. We do have theoretically a formula for what we've done. If you disagree with the list as a listener, I think that's fantastic. Send us your own list. I'm cool with that. Send it to at AK Dobbins on Twitter, where you will get a reply to every tweet.

Qualifications and ground rules. You must have filmed, I think what could be considered an above the title role in a movie, excuse me, in at least three movies in the past five years. Right. Now, this is a tricky one. Yes. When we last did this, it was about being in a movie. And we had to massage this a little bit because I think COVID created some issues for certain key stars who we just could not leave off the list. Correct. Though it was not really COVID.

It was just that these three, in these, there are three examples. Okay. Let's hold them. Let's not reveal them i'm not but in each of the cases it was them being super cheesy it had nothing to do with covid and they did you call them and ask them about this i feel like i have a psychic connection to two of them and and and the other one uh you know i just i keep apprised of what he's doing and all the events he sneaks in. I see. But in the back, still wearing his mask. No spoilers. I think it's great that he's still wearing his mask, by the way.

It seems like it's really changed his life. He's out and about more. I literally don't know what you're talking about. But like half the audience does. And that's okay. Got it. No, those were all people who are like, no, I'm good. And I'm only going to make a movie like every five years. That is a kind of power for sure that a few people still wield.

We'll talk about those people as we get into it. I just want to point out that voice work does not count as an above the title role for these qualifications. So if you stepped into the booth. Except for what it does in a couple of cases, there are exceptions to all of this. Okay. I would prefer if the person be on set for the performance, even if there is some motion capture work being done. This person, anybody on this list has to be born before May 12th, 1988. That is the day of the release of this podcast. There are a few notable people who are 34 years old who just missed the cut here. Realizing now I didn't Google May 12th, 1988 to see if there's anyone else

born, like, today. Well, feel free to Google. You mean just, like, in the known universe? Yeah, well, actress, I was checking according to whenever we made this list, so if someone's birthday

is May 11th. You think that, so they should be in? Yeah, I'm just saying. Gosh, well, if we screwed up, I'm sure we'll get feedback. Emma Stone,

Daniel Kaluuya, and Elizabeth Olsen jump out to me as three people who could have been on this list. Particularly Emma Stone and Daniel Kaluuya when they turn 35 will be on this list

because they operate in a kind of rare air. Those two are both Oscar winners. They headline movies. We just saw a teaser trailer for the new Yorgos Lanthimos movie which is built around Emma Stone. Elizabeth Olsen, perhaps less so.

She's currently starring in an HBO Max original series called Love and Death. But, you know, she has appeared as Wanda in some really, really big movies. I'm kind of curious to see where she takes her career going forward. A few others who just missed the cut. Glenn Powell, not quite there yet, but we'll see. Because we have a big winter coming with Glenn. And you're saying age-wise? Age-wise, yes. These people are not yet eligible for this 35 over list. Lily James, Zoe Kravitz is an intriguing potential addition when we do this next. Simu Liu is an interesting addition potentially. Lily Collins, that's the

handful of 34-year-olds I identified. How do we devise our list? 50% your resume so far. So this is where all of the elder statesmen are bringing in their credits from 90 and 95. And that is weighted because you bring your whole career with you. 25% what's on the docket next. As best we can tell. There's some real just made up stuff out there in the trades that is really fun to Google. Maybe we'll talk about. 25% possibility. You know, what's there?

The movie star quality that Wesley Morris always says, when the person comes on the screen, you just know. Also, maybe a little bit, how great are you at inspiring memes and content and people waiting outside your rumored girlfriend's home? So, please be respectful when you do that, everyone. So, you noted that there is a difference between movie stars and great actors. Yeah, there was some miscommunication, I would say, on the social channels last time we did this that suggested this was a list of our favorite actors in order. Okay. And that's not the case.

Actually doing a favorite actors list, I think, would be fun. We kind of do it every week on this podcast. That's true. And I think some people would, there are some obvious picks that we would make but maybe some surprising picks maybe character actors would be a fun thing to incorporate

into this this is just about movie stardom this is about that curious blend that you talked about that Wesley talks about of charisma

of draw of ability as a great actor of ability to carry you along a story in a film there's a variety of different things

that define a star. We're interested in that to this very day. And of success and of having played the system, you know, well enough that you can be in that position to be like, you know what, I'm only making a movie every five years or I can open a movie or the people who made this survey

like have to include me and or the people reading this survey think I'm important. So the last time we did this, we constructed essentially an honorary icon status for a number of older actors. And what this has really become as I think about it is if you're older than 70, you just get slotted into icon status. So last time around, we talked about De Niro and Pacino, Jane Fonda, Diane Keaton, Harrison Ford. These people are still top-lining mainstream films. In fact, Book Club Chapter 2 opens in movie theaters this weekend. Some of our icons are in those films. So it's not to denigrate any of those people. They've contributed so much. I would say for the most part,

those folks don't drive box office like they once did. And in the case of someone like Harrison Ford, he's Indiana Jones. I don't know if a Harrison Ford character drama would quite set the box office on fire. You have a caveat here? Well, I just thought you were about to say rude things about Harrison Ford and I was upset. I can't wait for the month of Harrison Ford.

We're planning a suite of activity around celebrating Harrison Ford when Indiana Jones comes out. So we had a couple actors on the last 35 over 35 who have graduated to icon or emeritus status. And I was talking about this list with my husband at dinner last night. And I was like, yes, Samuel L. Jackson and Meryl Streep have been made emeritus stars. And my husband very earnestly went, congratulations to them. Like it was like a real honor. And he's like, it's great to be emeritus. And I was like, oh, it really means we're just making room for more people on the other list. But yes. So congratulations to Samuel L. Jackson and Meryl Streep.

We've also added Jamie Lee Curtis, who is not over 70. No, she's 64, I believe. But she is Jamie Lee Curtis. And also, she just won an Oscar. And Liam Neeson, whose age I need to Google right now. I believe Liam Neeson just turned 70. Wow. Happy birthday, Liam Neeson.

So wonderful for him. And Liam Neeson, frankly, does not wield the same, I think, drawing power that he did when the Taken franchise kind of vaulted him back into a second wave of popularity. All of these actors. I can't believe Michael Keaton is 71. Wow. Is that true? Because I just Googled it because he's on our icon slash emeritus. Listen, I just, I know.

Listen, you know how I feel about late stage Michael Keaton. It's really, it's overwhelming. Hold it together. Jesus Christ. 71! Is that correct? I don't, listen, it's Google. Michael Keaton is older than my father.

That is remarkable. September 5th, 1951. Well, I'm pleased to announce that he too is on this list, despite the fact that he is appearing in The Flash coming soon to movie theaters. Someone else is appearing on The Flash. A few people. He's not on this list. Let's talk about our toughest cuts. We lost 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 people from our list last time.

Some controversial cuts here. Let's go through them. We're just going to trade back and forth. Number one, we cut Chris Evans. Chris Evans, you made Ghosted. You fucked up, bro. You got to pay the price for that. That's all I'm saying.

I love you. I think you're capable of great stuff. Please get back to making quality material. Thank you. Who's next? Anne Hathaway. Tough run for your girl. Yeah, well, she's been doing some TV.

I think by the time we do the next list, if the reception to Eileen is list, if the reception to Eileen is the same as my reception to Eileen, which I saw in, at Sundance, virtually, I,

she'll be back. It just, what are you supposed to do with the witches and we crashed and, you know. It hasn't been a good time.

She is making a, a pop music epic directed by Davidid lowry co-starring mikaela cole for a24 that feels like the kind of thing that could get her back in the spotlight but anyway r.i.p anne hathaway is ryan rain on this list lupita and yanga tough cut someone who i just think we wish made more movies. And she did just appear in Black Panther Wakanda forever. But has not really done a whole lot. Aside from that, she was in a movie called The 355, which was a big bomb a couple of years ago.

And has not really grabbed the reins, I think, as we thought she would after Us. So Lupita is off. Who's next? Amy Adams. Just going to read you the last five Amy Adams credits. The Woman in the Window. Hillbilly Elegy, Zack Snyder's Justice League, Dear Evan Hansen, and Disenchanted. Jesus Christ.

It's up there for the worst slump in some time. From an actor who many people really esteem. And I liked Arrival. Yeah. I like Amy Adams. Amy Adams was slandered on the rewatchables recently. And I thought that was unfair I, yeah. I like Amy Adams. Amy Adams was slandered on the rewatchables recently. Yeah.

And I thought that was unfair, but she needs, she needs her manager She's always kind of made a bunch of stinkers, but she also just used to make great movies in between those stinkers

and now she just stopped doing that. She would go, she would go stinker Oscar nomination back and forth. Yeah. And now we're, yeah, that's a slump.

Oscar Isaac, another guy who, I think i was expecting more from and then just opted for moon knight and in the aftermath of star wars yeah that was tough and scenes from a marriage and so he's forgot card counter well i mean a wonderful film from from one of our last living masters and a film about poker and Abu Ghraib. That's what that film is about? Certainly about torture,

but did not light the box office on fire. I think he was compelling in the film as a monastic psycho. Right. But not quite a movie star, unfortunately. Plus, he was in Dune. He was, but unfortunately, his reign was brief in Dune.

Looked great, though. The elder Atreides. Sure. He did look good. Huge Oscar Isaac fan. I think he'll be back. He's just kind of between big projects right now. The man just has incredible hair-beard combo that I can't even aspire to it because it's impossible.

No, you can't do it. It's not replicable, but he's a very handsome man. Okay, who's next? Tessa Thompson. Also, just a little bit between things right now, you know, Thor 11 Thunder kind of, is she done with the MCU? I don't know.

I mean, she had a fairly big part as Valkyrie in the last film, but I don't know what the future of the Thor films are. You know, and then Creed 3, she's very good in the Creed films, and that character has like a little bit more going on than the wife partner, but. She's truly third build in that movie. Yeah. And there's just not a ton in the mix. So it's just sort of a soft moment for her. Tricky one, you know, we're going to take Jamie Foxx off the list. Jamie Foxx is, something has happened to him. There's some sort of ailment that he's experiencing.

There's a lack of information and details about what's going on. We wish him nothing but the best. Love Jamie Foxx as an actor, as a performer, entertainer. He's phenomenal. But he really hasn't been making very many movies lately. And the movies he does do are largely for Netflix. He's done two Netflix movies recently, and that's it. Whatever is going on with him, we wish Jamie Foxx well.

What's the next one? Melissa McCarthy. I know that she is going to be Ursula in The Little Mermaid, but everyone knows how you and I feel about The Little Mermaid having not seen it yet. We were informed that when we travel to Sweden, we can in fact see the film not dubbed. Someone in Sweden tweeted at us that Sweden does not dub their films. So thank you for films. So thank you for that. So nevertheless, if Ursula rules, should we rerecord the pod? No, she can come back

next time. But she also hasn't been doing that much high profile stuff besides The Little Mermaid, which I just don't really think looks good. Okay, the next one. You want me to do the next one? Yeah, I do. I made this decision. You suggested it, but I put on my big girl pants. I'm so proud of you.

And I took Ben Affleck off the list. There was a version of this list where Ben Affleck was 35 because that's pretty funny. But here's the thing. Ben Affleck is just in his like director auteur change in the movie industry phase of his life he's playing side parts charming side parts in in films and making it happen for everyone else while continuing to look supremely uncomfortable at every public appearance

he makes with his wife jennifer lopez i like how Ben Affleck talks about appearing in feature films, like bringer podcasters talk about like guesting on shows. He's just like, yeah. And then like friend called me and they're like, hey, you want to come on to this one? And he's just like, yeah, I'll do that for three months. Sure. I mean, I think an interesting testament to his depressurized star status

is that he's appearing in a movie that opens today. He's appearing in Hypnotic directed by Robert Rodriguez that is being released by a studio that no longer exists so you know he's in he's in an ebb in terms of stardom but he's in a flow in terms of directorial status and and and leadership status he's in an ebb as an actor. And just a next level flow. Can't wait to see what happens. Just to pull it together right now. You're like exploding. You're like practically vibrating with excitement about just thinking about him.

I just, Ben Affleck brings me joy. Okay. We cut Will Smith. Yeah. That's just a tough series of events. Here's why. He slapped a man on stage at the Academy Awards. I just did a tough series of events. Here's why. He slapped a man on stage at the Academy Awards.

I do not know why he did that. I really wish he had not done that. He also, you know, his last film was an Apple TV Plus film

called Emancipation which was not a very successful movie. His next film is going to be Bad Boys 4 which feels like a true retrenchment

to remind people what they love about Will Smith. I don't know if it's going to work. It it might people might flock back to that movie and not care and the slap may be a distant memory we don't know Red Table Talk was canceled but they're shopping it around I think that's more about a sort of restructuring in the digital world right now but I mean it's just also it's one less outlet for him to do things that are not uh being a movie star I mean frankly that's probably a relief to him to do things that are not being a movie star.

I mean, frankly, that's probably a relief to him to not have to appear on Red Table Talking. I actually loved the content, but it did not help his career. Will Smith is off the list. Let's go more quickly through some people who I think people will be surprised to hear were cut, but were cut for various reasons. Bobby pointed out to us after we put all of this legwork into this list, all this research that we just completely forgot about mark walberg i didn't forget you remembered yeah but he has he wasn't on the long list nor was he on the long list he has moved his entire life to las vegas to be closer to his family in las vegas well he says he's going to recreate Hollywood in Las Vegas. New community of making, you know, direct-to-video family comedies that honor his religious beliefs.

So, literally go with God, Mark Wahlberg. And I enjoy The Departed. I think the failure of Father Stu, a film that he was very deeply indebted to in a number of different kinds of ways signaled the end of a phase for walbert now walbert is still like if they make spencer confidential 2 on netflix a lot of fucking people are going to watch it so there's no denying that he carries a kind of weight in in the business in terms with audience but in terms of like how he lives and works as a movie star and what we can expect from him in the business with audience. But in terms of like how he lives and works as a movie star and what we can expect

from him in the future, I don't think it's going to be quite what we want. So I'm with you. He's not on here. Tom Hardy. I need Tom Hardy to make more movies.

Same. That's just the note I have. Okay. The only movies he's made recently are two Venom films and Capone. Capone was so bad. I forgot about that.

It wasn't good. Josh Trank, RIP. Angelina Jolie, not on the list. Yeah. This could change. You could totally talk me into

two years from now. She's in three movies in a row and she's just back. I had to Google whether she was eligible and she was but it was for things

like Maleficent and what was the Taylor Sheridan Fire Chaser movie? I had a great time watching that movie. I don't remember. I kind of enjoyed that movie. That was one of the worst wigs I've seen on a movie star in some time, but I enjoyed it anyway.

Yeah, I can't recall the name of that title. She was also in Eternals. Oh, right. Yeah. Tough break. Those Who Wish Me Dead. Those Who Wish Me Dead. Yeah.

Wow. Taylor Sheridan, that's a whole other podcast. George Clooney, not on the list, not eligible. Hasn't made three films in the last five years. He's directing. Did you watch his conversation with Steven Soderbergh at the Turner Classic Movies Festival? No. Introducing Ocean's Eleven?

Would recommend it. Okay. I'm sure I would love it. I wish I had gone. Yeah. It looked like a fun event. Michael Fassbender. This could change.

He's just in Portugal living his life. Well, he has two big films this fall. And he's also an auto racer. Yeah, but I think he's coming back for the crown. He's raised his child.

No, the child isn't raised. The child's still very young. The child is in Harvard. In his fourth year at Harvard. It's been 22 years since Michael Fassbender appeared in a film. And so Next Goal wins. And The Killer are coming out this fall.

Maybe he'll be back. Someone I like watching in movies. Natalie Portman. Kind of just abdicated. I feel like she could have had more if she wanted to. I think she had a lot. Yeah. She has an Oscar.

She has an Oscar. She made a lot. Yeah. She has an Oscar. She has an Oscar. Yeah. She made a lot of movies. Then I think it seems like she took more time to raise a family, which is great. And again, she's in the position of she can dip in when she wants. She was in Star Wars. She was in, you know. Yes, she was in Star Wars. Some 20 years ago.

Right. Didn't she move to Paris for a while? Queen Amidala. Yeah, I know. I saw it. In The Phantom Menace. Have you heard of that film? Yeah.

Okay. My son was playing with the Apple TV remote the other day and I just let him. And then he started blasting The Phantom Menace trailer just and watched the whole thing. His eyes were so big. Was it because he listened to the summer blockbuster movie draft? Yeah. He listens to all my podcasts and gives notes. i hope he did not listen to that pod nox and i are very bonded sometimes i listen to um not the big picture but i'll listen to watch or rewatchables in the car with nox and he looks so confused but he's like he's listening and sometimes i think he even recognizes your voices but he's like where is this coming from? Like, what's happening? This is an ongoing thing with people taking care of Alice.

Yeah. They play my voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, dad? Dad. Dad? I'm so confused if it's coming out of car speakers. Anyway, continuing the list.

No Eddie Murphy. This is a tricky one. He's like. The pro is coming to America. The against is you people. You know, he's otherwise like, Dolomite was like certainly a moment, but that was 2019.

This again seems a little bit timing. Yeah, I struggled with you people, but I thought when Eddie was allowed to do his thing, he was actually still funny in it. Of course, he's Eddie Murphy. He's Eddie Murphy, I know. It's a tricky one. So Eddie's out.

No Seth Rogen. Seth has been spending a lot of time producing. And I think that that's where a lot of his attention is. He is going to be in a couple of movies in the near future. I think if Seth Rogen wanted to be back in kind of movie star status, he probably could be. But that doesn't seem to be the big focus of his business right now. Edward Norton is someone I kind of struggled with.

Because I think in the culture, if you put Edward Norton in your movie, a lot of people are like, oh, I like Edward Norton. He kind of has that similar, like he was fortunate to benefit from the marketing in the 90s and 2000s, took a big break. And then, you know, was one of the stars of Knives Out 2, a movie that didn't open in theaters, but if it did, would have made a lot of money. It's also one of the stars of Andrew Riceboro's ill-fated Oscar campaign. Yes. So maybe it'll be a while before he comes back we'll see uh mark ruffalo which um bob noted it you know is really a big marvel casualty i think is how you put it bobby which i think is very true yeah i mean he's just when you go to his imdb it's like the starkest shift from when he got super deep into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, from him making

character dramas, the types of movies with good scripts where he's playing a very serious role, where he has to solve a problem, into just like, now he's the Hulk, and he's big and green and cracking jokes. And it's like, that's the last eight years of Mark Ruffalo, one of our greatest movie stars. I was super bummed out when he showed up in the first episode of She-Hulk. I was like, God damn it. This is brutal. This is just brutal. It's like when I go to Mark Ruffalo's IMDb,

it should not be a picture, a screenshot from She-Hulk at the top. Like it just should not. This is the biz now. This is why we make these lists to remind listeners that it's not just about what was happening in 2002. Today matters. Chris Pine, he just had a W. He did.

After an L in Don't Worry Darling, though you can't really hold it against him. That movie did okay business. He was great and he was certainly... He came out unscathed. He did. His performance was good, actually, in that movie. He was good and then the whole spit gate, I think, was spun to his advantage. Did we screw up with this one?

I thought about it and just couldn't write quite find a spot because there were a couple other people on here who just had a box office advantage i kind of think if they do another star trek then he's back yeah you know he just kind of needs one more piece dungeons and dragons did pretty well and people liked it and i went to a party after the premiere of the film and saw him in person

with my little sister and he looked like a fucking movie star. He was extremely handsome and well styled. Extremely handsome and a great actor. There is a force field

around me and everyone is trying to penetrate my force field. So, obviously, it was a premiere of his film but still, he has a certain charisma. I think he's on the way.

Kate Winslet. She's just making TV. She's great at it, but she's making TV. Yeah. She was in Avatar 2. For like four minutes. Yeah. I think when Avatar 3 comes around, because I think she plays a much more critical role in that film, we may have to reevaluate that.

Okay. That's fine. Especially based on some choices we made. Kate Winslet's wonderful. I'm a huge fan. Former two-time guest of The Watch podcast. Jonah Hill. that, especially based on some choices. Kate Winslet's wonderful. I'm a huge fan. Former two-time guest of the Watch podcast. Jonah Hill. Is Jonah even eligible? Did he make three? I guess he made Don't Look Up and You People. Was there something before that in the five-year window?

I'm not even sure. I'm not either. But again, like Don't Look Up, he was sort of like a supporting part. It's not, he just hasn't really been going for it in the same way. He made Stutz, this documentary, last year. So he hasn't been in the frame as much. I struggled a little bit with these next two for different reasons. Michelle Williams, who Academy Award nominated consistently in the center of the projects that she makes. She actually, she has star status in Hollywood. She tends to use that status to make smaller movies. And so because she makes

those smaller films, maybe she doesn't have the same, I don't know, like public-facing reputation as like a Charlize or an Anne Hathaway. But she is famous to me. Sure.

I think a lot of her fame comes from Dawson's Creek and then her relationship with Heath Ledger, which... What about Venom? That's true. Okay.

Remember when she said on the stoop, I'm sorry about Venom? Yeah's true. Okay. Remember when she said on the stoop, I'm sorry about Venom? Yeah, to me, this is the classic... It's a good moment. ...great actor, not quite movie star. To her credit.

I mean, she's in our favorite movie of the year so far, I think, showing up. So she's making smaller stuff. I think she is one of the greats of her generation and why she keeps getting nominated for awards, but she's not like Amy Adams doing Superman or the Zack Snyder stuff. So a couple of tricky ones here now.

Kevin Hart. Now, I think by most metrics, Kevin Hart would be considered one of the most successful movie stars of the last decade because of the number of people who went to see his films when he made them for studios. And now because of the number of films he makes largely for Netflix, he's made mostly streaming movies or movies that were made for studios that were sold off the streamers during COVID.

He's also obviously a massive draw as a stand-up comedian. And yet he doesn't really have any great movies. And I'm holding that against him. I think he actually is the kind of person who, if he had chosen to work in a different register and put himself in a filmmaker's hands, could be kind of interesting. Because he has this incredible energy.

He's obviously very funny. But he doesn't seem to be interested in that. And that's okay. To me, he's a multi-hyphenate. And I mean, you know, I think he spends as much time on like serious radio which no judgment um talking into microphones is great but we noted in the last list that the the kind of big comedy movie star is a gone like a dying role no one if if you are starring in comedy movies in this point with at this point with the exception of basically adam sandler then you're also doing like a bunch of other things and the movies are just a way to diversify your portfolio yeah it's true i just i

think i can't get the movie the upside out of my head which was a 2019 movie but i think was filmed in 2017 and then became ensnared in some Weinstein drama that was based on The Untouchables, the French film from 2011. It's Bryan Cranston, Nicole Kidman, and Kevin Hart, and it's in a slightly more serious register, though definitely still a comedy. And on a $40 million budget,

it made $130 million. I think largely because of Kevin Hart. And so if he wanted to do things like that, he actually could, and I think weirdly could be like a top 15 person on this list. But he makes me time for Netflix, a movie that I'm sure a lot of people watched, but no one had a conversation about. And so

that's being held against him. He's a really interesting example, though, of how the business has changed. Because in the 90s, he just would have been Sandler or Farley or one of those guys where it was just like you're the center of the movie and 100 million dollars worth of people show up every time you make a movie he's different now tiffany haddish has just not pursued the career that i thought she was going to i think post girls trip she also in the card counter actually becoming kind of an interesting dramatic actor but not a movie star at the moment j-loLo? Have you seen The Mother yet? No,

it's out today on Netflix. I know, I will be watching it this weekend. Okay, we'll re-record tomorrow morning. Listen, I've seen all the recent J-Lo movies. She's another multi-hyphenate to me. I'm concerned that she has decided to be a streaming movie star because Shotgun Wedding, which is an Amazon movie, reportedly had incredible viewership and they're making a sequel. I have not seen the movie, actually. It's not very good, but I laughed. Okay. And what was the film that she made for Peacock a couple of years ago as well?

Marry Me. Marry Me. With Owen Wilson, the first film that my son ever saw. Which also reportedly did very well. She is a person who's in that middle where it's like, would you show up to the theater for a J-Lo movie? Probably not, but you would definitely watch it on the service. Yeah. a theater for a JLo movie? Probably not, but you would definitely watch it on the service. She did a couple of these types of movies

like late post-Hustlers, like Second Act is one that's like lingers large in my mind and it was in theaters and I never saw it in theaters. But if it had been available

on streaming, I would have watched. I remember this actually because it was released over the holidays and it was playing like in a second run theater in Palm Springs when we were there for one New Year's.

And I like made a half-hearted pitch to your wife of like, hey, should we go see second act? But then we didn't want to drive that far. If it had been on streaming, we would have just watched it, you know? I genuinely don't know what Aileen's opinion of Jennifer Lopez is. I don't either.

Aileen and I have been together, it'll be 24 years in September. One of the great qualities of Alina. Always a mystery, always a surprise. Sphinx-like with certain takes. You just, you never know what she's thinking. This is great, actually. Sorry to derail the podcast. But I wanted to ask you a question. We went out to drinks and she was looking for like a new type of wine. And I was like, what kind of qualities are you looking for? And she was like, something new and interesting. I said, great.

Thanks so much for that. I hope she never says that to me. Okay. A couple more people. Jason Momoa. Until you're not just Aquaman, you're just Aquaman. That's my take on Jason Momoa. I'm a big fan of his.

I like seeing him in films. I'd like to see him do something a little bit more interesting. He was good in Dune but he had a really side part. I would love to watch the version of Dune

that starred his character. He's phenomenal in that part but he's like he's the eighth lead in that movie. Exactly. A critical role.

Is he dead? Is his character dead? I don't remember. I think so. He has that amazing thing that gets Timmy out into the desert. Yeah, and then that's it. The ornithopter? I don't remember. You guys know about the has that amazing thing that gets to me out of the desert. And then that's it.

The Ornithopter. I don't. You guys know about the Ornithopter. Okay. Moving on. John David Washington. I really want it to happen for this guy. I'm not sure if it's going to happen.

The big buzz out of CinemaCon in Las Vegas was this Gareth Evans movie called The Creator, which had another title that was like, I forget what it was, Love is Strange or something like that. It is a big sci-fi original tentpole kind of movie that apparently looked great. They showed first footage from it. JDW is the star of that movie. I just want to go back to you saying the big buzz at a cinema con with your hands up. I love the industry.

I love, you know, Hollywood. Why don't you go to cinema con? It's in Vegas. You love Vegas. I wanted to go this year, but there was a specific reason why I couldn't go. I don't you go to CinemaCon? It's in Vegas. You love Vegas. I wanted to go this year, but there was a specific reason why I couldn't go. I can't remember what it was. Okay.

There was a reason. I think I had to go somewhere. Anyway, let's do a couple of international picks. These are largely American and English actors who we'll be talking about for the next few hours, probably, since we have 45 minutes in and haven't listed a single name on our list. International pick for Amanda, who do you got alexander skarsgård huge northman fan you were whatever it's happening for our guy also like a great example of how i do think strategic tv

appearances can then propel someone in the other direction in a way that did not used to be the case. Are you sure that the star of Generation Kill and True Blood and Big Little Lies and now Succession is not just a TV star? I am sure. You loved Infinity Pool. He's making something else. I liked Infinity Pool.

I don't know if I loved it. I don't know. People were talking about it. He is making, he's in a movie with Kate Winslet and Marion Cotillard. What's that movie called? It's called Lee. And it's about. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I'm looking forward to that film. As am I. Yeah. Is that Ellen Kuris? Yes. Exactly. And there was another one.

And, you know, he's still doing, I don't know, he's making some film called The Tiger, which takes place on the same. Yeah. he's making some film called The Tiger, which takes place on the same, yeah. You know, for each entrant on this list, we included age, CV, upcoming films, and where they stood previously. We did not include a category that said wood bone, but I feel like that would be appropriate for you when it comes to Skarsgård.

I love this movie, The Tiger. Alexander Skarsgård's gonna fight a tiger in a movie. Like, why are you mad? Sounds fabulous. I'm not mad. I just, his name's in to fight a tiger in a movie. Like, why are you mad? Sounds fabulous. I'm not mad. I just, his name's in the air a lot, you know? My pick is two people, N.T. Ramaraj Jr. and Ram Charan, after the extraordinary success of RRR.

Huge actors in their native country, India, but maybe not as well known previous to this. And now, I don't know, I feel like people are just going to be firing up these Tollywood films on Netflix all the time. It's fascinating what that movie did. So I wanted to give them a shout out. Okay, let's get to our list.

Are you ready? Yes. You feel like we did it? No. Okay. Number 35, who is it? Ryan Gosling. I had to fight you for this.

I'm not sure if I buy this, but okay. What is it with men and not understanding Ryan Gosling? That's no. Do you feel betrayed because he's no longer making Place Beyond the Pines? And you're like, now that he's shirtless, it's just not for me? No. No. I understand Ryan Gosling very well.

You really don't. He is a 42-year-old man with young children who made the Place Beyond the Pines. Like, he and I, he made Drive. Yeah. He directed the feature film Lost Like, he and I, he made Drive. Yeah. He directed the feature film Lost River, which I saw in theaters. Yeah. He is close personal friends with Nicholas Winding Refn.

I understand Ryan Gosling deeply. Ryan Gosling is at a phase of his career where he's like, I just got to pay for my kid's school. And he's like, I'm making The Gray Man. That's a betrayal of the Gosling that I know. Now, I'm sure a lot of people watch The Gray Man, and that's great. But that's not who Ryan Gosling is.

He's the guy who's like, I am a weirdo who wants to make Halloween songs and put an album out on anti-records. I do remember that. Listen, we all were weird in our 20s and then we grow up and we settled down exactly exactly robert weird in your 20s wonderfully weird in your 20s then why can't we have both why can't we have blue valentine and crazy stupid love in 2018 your favorite movie of the whatever. He's making Barbie. Yeah.

It's fine. He's done it all. The Fall Guy is an interesting one. That's an action film with, I think, Emily Blunt. Yes. And directed by David Leitch. So that feels a little more my flavor. David Leitch, I think, has been very hit or miss in recent years.

I love what Ryan Gosling could be. I think it's really unfair that you hold the gray man against him after just yelling at me for four years about how Endgame was like the greatest cinematic achievement like of our lifetimes. We should stop mischaracterizing things I've said on this podcast. And so he's like, okay, I'm going to take a chance with the Russo brothers, you know, like we'll see what's what. No, he's like, I'm going to take a chance on this $20 million paycheck. That's awesome. Good for him. for him all right great make a better movie he went to europe okay so i know you don't care about that the thing is that i know that he this is even more so than

chris evans who is also in the gray man i know that he knows what is interesting and what is good i know that he has taste you can't look me in the eye and say that a person with taste is like i loved working on the gray man and i'm so proud of him. But how do you know until you try it? He tried. It didn't work out. He followed up with Barbie and the Fall Guy. You don't know that Barbie isn't good. It's Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach. I'm not saying it isn't good.

And Margot Robbie. It is a different flavor. Maybe it'll be great. Maybe it'll be great. I'm not judging Barbie right now. You are, but go ahead. No, no. It'd be awesome if on back-to-back pods, you poured cold water on Oppenheimer and then Barbie. Oh my God. He's about to pour.

In May. He's going to pour more cold water on Oppenheimer. It's like, we've just like awoken the troll though. You know what I mean? It's like he figured out that he can make all the babies mad, you know? Everybody was like, he just saying all this stuff for engagement. Maybe I did. Maybe I did. What's wrong with that? What I want is for you to engage with me and my feelings i got no

shame moving on number 34 i feel good about this but i just finished a tv series starring this person and that may be unduly influencing my take i have steven young here at 34. He's 39 years old, already Academy Award nominated. He was just in Note, and he's about to appear in the MCU, in the Thunderbolts film, and be one of the stars of Mickey 17, which is the new Bong Joon-ho movie. He, of course, has already appeared in a Bong Joon-ho movie. He was in Sorry to Bother You. He was amazing in Burning and nominated for Minari.

This is one of the few people who's really come along in the last five years coming out of television to emerge as a potential star. There's also frankly never been a movie star in America like Steven Yeun. A Korean-American star at this level who's been a part of these, like a big franchise like The Walking Dead

and now potentially MCU movies. So I just finished Beef. I don't know where to put my feelings about Beef. I thought it was fascinating. I thought it was not always successful, but so bold, like a really genuinely creative show. And there are a variety of reasons

why people are not talking about it. There's been some controversy around some of the stars of the show, but there's an amazing achievement in it. And he is fantastic in the movie. And so much of his personal life, you can tell, is in that character.

So, I have like a really, it's a really like about what's next with Steven Yeun that I'm excited about. He was 31 last time. He slipped down a little bit, but I feel like he could be.

But that was because he was in Nope, but he, the last time we made the list was like right after the Minari. And then Nope was on its way out, was about to be released. Right.

And so, again, this is like a little bit between things. I feel great about this as well. was like right after the minari and then nope was on its way out was about to be released right so again this is like a little bit between things i feel great about this as well though i resent you for making me google this avengers role and then i have to learn whether the he's playing somebody but maybe it's only to be a limited like one modok's dad yeah and i'm just like now i'm in i'm reading these blogs and i'm in hell he's also also in the next Bong Joon-ho movie. So that's, yeah. That's a big, that's going to be a big focus for us in 2024. Who's number 33?

Emily Blunt. My queen. Most underrated middle-aged white lady actor in Hollywood. I don't know. I just, I love her. I wish she got to do more stuff. She's sort of, she's fallen. got to do more stuff she's sort of she's fallen she was 23 now she's 33 because she's also like a little bit in a between she is period she made

the english which is a show that uh andy greenwald and chris ryan love and i will never watch okay um but i'm happy for her she's got a big year coming up yeah she's gonna be an obamheimer albeit in the wife role she is in pain hustlersustlers, which is a David Yates adaptation of a Wells Tower screenplay, which is just very exciting. Fascinating. Wells Tower as a journalist. I believe this is about the opioid crisis. It is. Chris Evans is also in it, which, you know, rooting for him.

Maybe he'll bounce back onto this list. And she is also in The Fall Guy with Ryan Gosling. Really like Emily Blunt. I want her to be higher on the list. And she is also in The Fall Guy with Ryan Gosling. Really like Emily Blunt. I want her to be higher on the list. I feel that she is a person who, again, 25 years ago would have been in the top 10.

Number 32 is Chris Hemsworth. I'm of two minds about this one. I think we could have slotted Pine in here and it might have been okay. Mm-hmm. On the one hand,

Thor 4, not as big as people would have hoped, though it's still open pretty big. Not very successful as a movie, in my opinion. On the other hand, I saw the trailer for Extraction 2 and I was like, put it inside me.

Yeah. Like, it looks fucking great. This is one of these things where we're making it a month before Extraction 2 is released and then Extraction 2 will come out and like 40 billion people will watch it and be like, yeah. Yeah.

I'm really looking forward to that. I really liked Sam Hargraves, like as a director who was a former stunt man, very in the mold of like the John Wick, Chad Stahelski making a movie like that. So, you know, and then you noted he's also going to be in Furiosa,

which of course is the sequel to, or I guess a prequel to Mad Max Fury Road, which I think will probably be more like 2025 if I had to guess, but we'll see. You up on Limitless with Chris Hemsworth, his National Geographic TV show? I know it exists. I haven't watched it. Julia Lemmon's favorite show. Okay. He takes a boat and learns about sharks, I think. Okay.

And maybe other parts of the natural world. I wish he would do more stuff like Spiderhead, but I guess Spiderhead wasn't a success in most people's eyes. Yeah. I watched it like the Friday night that it posted. Oh, that's kind of you because you and Chris talked it up so much and I was like on maternity leave

and I was like yeah Spiderhead Chris and I had fun with Spiderhead I if I'd seen it with you guys I would have had more fun

but instead I watched it at home ain't that just movies though you know this is all about the communion among us number 31

is Mahershala Ali this is a little bit threatened right now because Blade just got pushed back so his ability to kind of. This is a little bit threatened right now because Blade just got pushed back. Yeah. So his ability to kind of hold momentum is a little bit challenged.

He was in a movie in 2021 called Swan Song that was on Apple TV+. That was pretty good. Soft science fiction. Made me cry a lot. Did it? Yeah, but it was very late

in my pregnancy. Okay. All right. We'll hold that against it. And then, of course, he's one of the stars of Leave the World Behind, the new Sam Esmail movie.

Absolutely can't wait for this movie. Very exciting. I think that's November when that's coming out. So of course he's one of the stars of Leave the World Behind. The new Sam Esmail movie. Absolutely can't wait for this movie. Very exciting. I think that's November when that's coming out. So and he's got two Oscars. And he's merged. In three years. Yeah.

So I always forget he's like 50 years old. Because he got like a late start in his fame. But he's very exciting. He looks like 32. I know. He looks unbelievable. Very handsome man. He looks like he's very strong.

You know when you look at a guy and you're like that guy. I would break my hand if he shook it. So. He's coming on the bulking pod. That's man. He looks like he's very strong. You know when you look at a guy and you're like, that guy, I would break my hand if he shook it. He's coming on the bulking pod, that's why. Oh boy. Trying to spread the gospel to other pods now. Number 30 is Adam Driver. Adam Driver was 13 last time. Before we recorded

two years ago, he had ahead of him Annette, The Last Duel, House of Gucci White Noise and 65 and at that time I thought those would have been

the five biggest movies to come out in that two year period and they were not they he has not proven himself to be necessarily a driver of audience

despite being a driver of driver yeah he's Kylo Ren he's a testimony as we talked about when 65 came out to the vagaries of the ip era you know he emerged and took advantage of it but he has not been able to hold serve except he has three more projects coming out you can't deny it you're trying so hard but every time we talk about driver here are his upcoming projects ferrari michael mann megalopolis francis ford coppola

heat 2 is that confirmed it's like it's not confirmed confirmed they're not in production okay but like come on that's your guy even if you don't want him to be your guy. That's your guy. No, I do want him to be my guy. The magic of Adam Driver, he's also my guy. So, I just... Who do you want to do the next movie star playbook about? Maybe someone as we talk through this here. We should find another subject. I liked that episode. You just like concerned rolling people.

Could be. Yeah. Could be. And you like holding the... Not even failures, but the failed experiments of people close to your heart against them in public because you're really judging them you're judging yourself wow by judging them just scratched my brain a little bit with that one yeah that may be true but i love them and i support creators i just want everybody to know that but i'm also seeking engagement

okay moving on number 29 uh not on the list last time his name is channing tatum who has decided support creators. I just want everybody to know that. But I'm also seeking engagement. Moving on. Number 29, not on the list last time. His name is Channing Tatum, who has decided to come back. He's back, and sure, he was in the most recent Magic Mike film, which didn't do that well. But more specifically, he was in two movies last year, Dog and

The Last City, that I think really spoke to his power as a movie star. The Lost City. What did I say? Last City. The Lost City that I think really spoke to his power as a movie star. The Lost City. What did I say? Last City. The Lost City. I apologize to the makers of that film. I believe the Nee brothers are the directors of that film.

N-E-E. The Lost City was fine and fun. Dog I liked a lot. Did you ever end up seeing that one? I didn't. I think you might enjoy it. Is the animal in danger? Certainly.

Yeah, I don't love that. Okay. That's all right. Well, I mean, it was better than Guardians 3. Okay. I mean, that's a positive endorsement. Put that in front of you. He took a long break, actually, between high-profile projects.

And I think Dog, which was made with Reed Carroll and his kind of producing partner, best friend, I think showed a model for what Hollywood couldllywood could be which is like hit a couple of doubles man make a 20 million dollar movie and let it earn 60 million there's nothing wrong with that we want that we love that so i'm proud of channing tatum for pursuing this magic mike's last dance no one saw it no one listened to our podcast about it what are you gonna do no one did and let me just say i i thought that i really brought the heat on the second half of that podcast and invented my whole genre ballet trash which just didn't no one cared it's tough it's tough you have an upcoming genre episode in august that i just think is really funny and every time i look at the spreadsheet

i laugh a lot i don't know whether i'm allowed to spoil it. Garbage Fish? Garbage Fish is really funny. Yeah. Garbage Fish is coming. We kind of spoiled that at the end of the last pod. Garbage Fish really makes me laugh. You're invited to Garbage Fish if you'd like to join. Okay, thank you so much. Garbage Fish will be a good time.

Okay. Number 28. This person was not on our list last time, and it might just be an oversight. Now, I realize that he is elementally related to a franchise, but it's a fact that this franchise matters as much as almost any other franchise bar the MCU.

And that's Vin Diesel in Fast and the Furious movies. I don't know why we didn't put Vin on the list last time. I don't know whether Fast 9 had been released when we did it. We did this list in 2021. Fast 9 was one of the early early back to theater movies. I think we did spring. I think we did March 2021. The movie was April 2021. Yeah. And we didn't feel great about it. And also he does have like Guardians as well in his belt. And there was a long gap between Guardians 2 and 3 where obviously we're

coming off Guardians 3 Fast Are we saying Fast X or Fast 10? I've been saying X. Okay. I don't know what's right. Because it's not the 10th movie.

There was a Hobbs and Shaw movie so now the numbers are all thrown off to me. Okay. So now you're just being like the canonical captain. Okay.

Fast X is a week away and will be a big deal so he's on now you know there's a case to be made that it is at a downturn point

the Fast films they're very expensive to make but Vin Diesel is a is a big brand speaking of Guardians of the Galaxy I feel like Zoe Saldana

should be on this list for a variety of reasons. And it's an interesting person to talk about in our contemporary fame cycle. I'm not sure if people are going to a movie because Zoe Saldana specifically is in it. I'm sure there are some people, but most people are not. And yet, she's... She's in all of them? The most important character in the Avatar films?

I think even more than jake sully yeah i guess so i mean she is like the portal to the navi in the first film and then she's like the she's the mother warrior in the second film right she's in star trek and the mcu the the whale is the most important character in avatar brendan frazier's the whale? No, the tul-kun. Oh, Pakyan, yeah. The tul-kun. Yeah, sure. That's the most important character. Pyakon?

Pyakon? I think Pyakon. That's not garbage fish, though. That's like beautiful art fish. Majestic fish. Agreed, agreed. That's a special, that's an upper class fish.

That's a yuppie fish for sure. What was Zoe Saldana's character doing for that whole movie, though? I know what you're saying but that script did not serve her character very well. She didn't get to do a whole lot.

In general. Wow. Are you saying James Cameron has a Christopher Nolan problem? I actually was literally about to say that sentence but then you said it first. I heard.

Because you're just really trying to poke everybody. It's so funny what a nerve that strikes because I think everybody was like I found my smart cool filmmaker

and now they're having their heart broken having the truth explained to them it's gotta be tough Zoe Saldana I think is a really good actor who made a choice

to be a specific kind of action star hero and she has associated herself quite wisely with some huge franchises I think she was in Amsterdam and I thought

actually pretty good in Amsterdam she played the nurse I don't know if you recall that it did make me want to see more of. She played the nurse. I don't know if you recall that. It did make me want to see more of her in those kinds of roles. I don't know.

I don't want to say challenge herself. It's probably actually pretty hard to be Gamora. She's in a lot of movies where her movie star persona is subsumed by the IP. And she is kind of one of the rare people who is on this list despite having like a primarily like IP here is who Gamora is career. I think she's representative, though, of like a much more modern version of movie star fame that speaks to, I think, what you and Bobby were all talking about, which is that it's more beneficial to slot Zoe Saldana in and out of movies than worry about slotting in, you know, Meryl Streep, Circa 1982. Okay. Number 26. Who is it?

Christian Bale. So you sought to add him to this list. He was not on the list last time. What's your take on that? Well, he was not eligible last time because he hadn't made any movies. He since has made Thor 11th Under, which I know was not good. He was great in it, though. He's great.

He's Christian Bale. He was in Amsterdam, absolutely baffling, and failed at the box office. Appreciated what he was trying to do. Sure. I mean, again, is it his fault? No, that one was not his fault. Not his fault. But he's in it. And at least one of the few original movie star-driven movies to be released last year,

the fact that it just absolutely failed says something about movie stars and a lot about the execution of that film. And then he was in the pale blue eye, which I believe is a Netflix movie, right? Straight to Netflix. Um, I don't know.

He was Batman and he's really famous and he was working again. And I do think he's like the survey that we mentioned at the beginning of this podcast. I feel like he is baked in to people's minds marketing-wise from 15 years ago. I agree. But also a very good actor. I'm excited to see what Bale does next. I have no idea what The Church of Living Dangerously is, but in theory it will be. It will at least feature a good Christian Bale performance.

In 100 meters, turn right. Actually will be. It will at least feature a good Christian Bale performance. Bet they taste amazing too. Wish I had a mouth. Take your morning into a delicious new direction with McDonald's new breakfast wraps. Add a small premium roast coffee for a dollar plus tax. At participating McDonald's restaurants. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba. 25. My girl. Your girl. Jessica Chastain.

She has an Academy Award now, which she did not have last we spoke of her very true she was in uh zero dark 30 remember that film i do she did some fine work in that film despite its complexity uh she wasn't on this list last time i wonder why was she not quite had she not proven to us that she could carry something i think she was between projects. I think, you know, Molly's game had a big COVID run, but she was like, the Eyes of Tammy Faye was not a big thing until she won an Oscar for it. Like a very classic, like win for your career, not for the particular performance plus makeup. So yeah, she didn't have an Oscar and she was doing TV. Where do you stand on The Good Nurse again?

I wanted to know what happened. I watched it to the end. That's where I stand on it. That's good enough for me. Where are you standing on Ibsen? That's what she's doing right now. She's just at a doll's house. I know.

She was nominated for a Tony. Yeah. Good for her. She's another one who's like, it says she's 46 years old. Is that right? Does that seem high or low? I mean, she looks like she's 32. Does she?

Damn. I think she looks fantastic, but she's sort of, I don't know if I would put her ageless age at 32. Wow, that's just an absolute dagger from Dobbins. That's brutal. She's a great actor. I hope she makes more good movies. She has a couple coming up, Mother's Instinct and Memory. Next year, I think.

Maybe Mother's Instinct later this year, which also stars Anne Hathaway. Yes. Interesting combination. Interesting energies there connecting. Number 24. Daniel Craig. James Bond.

Knives Out. Glass Onion. He was James Bond? I don't know if you've heard. His next movie is a Luca Guadagnino movie. I love this for him. Also, he's married to Rachel Weisz. Like, talk about living your life in your 50s, you know?

An example to us all. You want to be more like Daniel Craig in your 50s? Yes. Married to Rachel Weisz and playing James Bond? That sounds awesome. I would do all of those things. I don't think you're quite right for Bond. That's rude.

You need to reimagine the character for the modern age, okay? American? American? How's your British accent? It's not good. You want to try it? No. Okay.

All right. Worth a try. He was 26 last time. He's 24 now. I mean, the Knives Out films are really big. I think Glass Onion was probably one of the most watched movies that was released last year, even though it was on a streaming service. So it makes sense to me.

Number 23. Did you put him here? I did. Like, why? It's either, like, way too low or way too high. Like, I'm a little bit stuck. Okay, so who is it? It's Matt Damon.

Right, so Matt Damon's great. Love Matt Damon. This is not a criticism of Matt Damon. He obviously is the star of Air, which appears on the Amazon Prime video streaming service today. I've been getting a lot of those commercials during Sixers games. I firmly believe that north of 700 billion people will watch this movie on the streaming service.

And he's quite good in the movie. He has a lot coming up, and I think that's maybe the case for him, right? Because obviously he's, you know, the Bourne movies, Good Will Hunting. He's Matt Damon, right? He's Matt Damon. He seems to be playing the second lead in Oppenheimer. And he's one of the stars, although I would guess it's more of a supporting role in Driveaway Dolls,

which is the new Ethan Coen film coming out this fall. What's The Instigators? It's a Doug Liman film. Oh, interesting. With Hong Chao and Paul Walter Hauser. Wow, two of my faves. Here's the logline. Follows two robbers who must go on the run

with the help of one of their therapists after a theft doesn't go as planned. Is Damon playing the therapist? I don't know. It doesn't specify. Full circle moment if he is. That would be beautiful. Yeah.

Yeah, it's not your fault, Hong Chao. I love it. I'm kind of like, is Matt Damon one of the five biggest stars in America Full circle moment if he is. That would be beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, it's not your fault, Hong Chao. I love it. I'm kind of like, is Matt Damon one of the five biggest stars in America or is he completely irrelevant? Like, I really don't know. You know why? Because I saw the movie Stillwater

and I was like, dog, what is this? What is going on? What is this movie? That's so strange. I want to do a Stillwater pod so bad. That is one of the weirdest mainstream films ever. My number one note for Stillwater

is that Matt Damon was grievously miscast. Brutally. Just the whole problem with that movie. I mean, not the whole problem. Not the whole. I mean, sure. Centering his character in the movie is a bizarre choice. But also him playing that character.

I don't even know what's going on. I have to say, Marseille looked just beautiful. Really brought to life. I'll leave it to you to cite how much you enjoyed Europe. The scene where they go swimming? Yeah, whatever. I don't think that's the takeaway from that film. I don't either.

Matt Damon at 23. It's a legitimate pick. Another person who was not on the list last time. I think it was a great shout by you. And frankly, maybe an oversight by us last time. It was. But also,

this is what was genuinely very cool about Everything, Everywhere, All at Once and what this movie did. So our number 22 is Michelle Yeoh, who has won an Oscar

since, and also, she was in Chung-Chi and has lined up just like a formidable slate coming up, which is another thing that's very cool about. Sometimes you catch someone who's so deserving and has an incredible career as Michelle Yeoh has. Then she gets everything everywhere.

She wins the Oscar. Everyone's like, oh, including us is like, oh, yeah, one of the greats. And now she's going to be in every single movie that you've ever heard of Haunting in Venice the Kenneth Branagh movie which looks like an absolute travesty I'm just gonna say that right now

that's fine do not let Kenneth Branagh do horror Wicked which again as I refer back to my CinemaCon reports people said it looked good

I'm sure they did I don't John Chu is a coin flip I do think that it's not John Chu it's just the material and the I've never seen that show I don't John Chu is a coin flip I do think that it's not John Chu it's just the material and the

I've never seen that show I don't know it's too theater kid for me that's fine it's just not for me okay I do think though

that this renaissance with her started not with everything everywhere but with Crazy Rich Asians and she's so good in Crazy Rich Asians and I think that

kind of reminded audiences that she is a real powerhouse you know going all the way back to her martial arts films. And then she's an avatar. She's supposed to be an avatar three, four, and five.

I'm thrilled for her. Which is crazy. So yeah, she's really grabbing the brass ring. Michelle Yeoh, fantastic. Very rare for someone who's had a career that long to emerge,

especially in the American box office, as a star at 60 years old. That's really really cool that that happened. Number 21 I don't know less cool but whatever Ryan Reynolds.

This one to me seems both too high and too low. Okay. I don't know like he's like running a soccer team or whatever now

but also yeah. They are now being elevated in the premier league. So it's like Ted Lasso came true because and then none of us

had to watch season 3 of Ted Lasso which is a good thing none of us had to watch season three of Ted Lasso, which is a good thing. Didn't even watch season two. It was really not good, but I am not finishing season three. I quit after two episodes. I don't know, he just makes a bunch of crap for Netflix and other places, and then millions of people go watch it.

Well, he made Free Guy, which was a huge hit, and it destroyed my soul. And he's going to be the star of the new John Krasinski-directed film If, which is another kind of high-concept

Krasinski project. And then Deadpool 3 is coming. Yeah, all right. You know, Hugh Jackman is going to be in it and it's going to be huge. I get it.

It's tricky, you know. I've talked about him many times before. He was someone who I thought was going to be a great movie star and who I think kind of betrayed me

with some of his choices. But he is a great, he is a very successful movie star. He's a great celebrity. He's just not your flavor. He's a great celebrity. His schtick, I get. I wish he was slightly more discerning in his choices. Alas.

They have four children now. That is a lot of kids. He and Blake. Yes. Reynolds and Deadpool is kind of the weird example where like the comic book movie, he actually is central to it. I don't think you can swap him out of it. I think people go to Deadpool for Ryan Reynolds. Good point.

I don't think that they would go see Deadpool if it wasn't him. You know what's so funny about that too? And it's been noted many times before. But of course he played Deadpool in an early Wolverine movie. And that version of Deadpool didn't talk. There was like a moment where his mouth is sort of covered and he's muzzled completely, which is literally the opposite of the quote unquote charm of Deadpool, which is that he's a motor mouth. He's the merc with a mouth, the mercenary with a mouth.

Anyway, you know, I'd love it if he was just like, I've decided to only make quality films going forward. Me too. I don't foresee that, but he has the thing we're talking about. Number 20. Robert Pattinson. Did, but he has the thing we're talking about. Number 20. Robert Pattinson. Did you know he's 36? I did because I knew...

He's really more our peer than I thought. He was thus... He's like a little younger. He's pretty close to me. A little. I'd say our peer is within a four or five year span,

no? I guess so. Sometimes it feels like right below me there is a generational break. Everyone feels that way. Okay. Right below me is you, and there's a generational break between us.

That's for damn sure. You don't have to be mean. I knew that he was 36 because I Googled it to put him on this list. I was like, oh, Robert Pattinson is eligible. This one's interesting to me because I think the very first 35 under 35 we did, Pattinson was two or three. But while we were doing the list, I was like, actually, Pattinson should be number one. And is that where we ended up? I don't remember.

I don't know whether that's allowed. I feel like it was Timmy ended up being number one. No, Emma Stone was number one. Oh, Emma Stone. Yeah. That's still right, but that's just my take. That's your take. I'm in the Stone hive.

I'm a Stonehead. I so am I'm a stone. Yeah. Yeah. That's still right, but that's just my take. That's your take. I'm in the stone hive. I'm a stone head. I so am I. But anyway, but he's always been in the top five under 35, under 35, and now he makes it to 35 over 35, and he's coming in at 20. That's a little bit timing-wise because the Batman was almost a year ago, or actually a full year ago now. Tenet was three years ago, and nobody but you and me and Chris liked it. No, everyone liked it.

It was the greatest Christopher Nolan film ever made, and everyone agreed, including Tom Cruise. Did you hear Tom Cruise testifying? Okay, don't spoil the later parts of our podcast, okay? But he hasn't done a lot, though he and Suki Waterhouse walked the Met Gala red carpet together. Did you see that? I was happy for them. our podcast okay but he hasn't done a lot though he and Suki Waterhouse walked the Met Gala red

carpet together did you see that I was happy for them are they dating they've been dating for like at least five years I definitely did not know that Suki Waterhouse I think I thought was like

one of those AI bot animations no she was wonderful in Daisy Jones and the six by the way have you watched that I'm four episodes through yeah you watched that yet? So good. I'm four episodes through. Yeah.

You finished that, Bob? Yeah. I liked it a lot. I loved it. I can't... You know what? It's not for you then. Everyone looks so hot.

It's a huge Sam Claflin problem. I'm just like, this show hinges on this guy who isn't good. Not a good actor. Not believable as a musician. I actually agree with you on that point. Thank you, Bobby.

He's not for you. He's for, you know, the viewers who are so inclined. I mean, Lindsey Buckingham is a fucking genius. Well, I think... And that guy is not giving me genius.

Did you listen to the interview that Chris did, or Andy did on The Watch with him? I would never listen to that in an interview that Andy does on The Watch. I would never in my life. No, actually I didn't,

but only because I had I actually tried to divorce the Lindsey Buckingham of it because of course they did but come on so now you're just like being a music nerd like that doesn't matter

it's I am a music nerd I know I really try to forget it because I don't want to hold another thing against you on a day to day basis it was really funny

when someone was like No Sleep Till Brooklyn isn't unlicensed to ill and you were just like we're like I know that. I think they said sabotage is not unlicensed to ill. Oh, sabotage.

Oh, sorry. Because like no sleep till Brooklyn. Yeah. You were just very angry. People in my mentions telling me about the BC boys get fucked.

That's my take. All right. There's nothing you can tell me that I don't know. Something I'm regretting never doing is writing down all the times that you tell people

to get fucked and cutting them all together. That's when the Long Island really comes out. Anyway, Daisy Jones and the Six is really enjoyable, except I did not know

that that's how the book ended and that's the most crazy fucked up. Like, what the fuck is going on? I know, I know. But like, if you've watched it, as most people have, like, guys, we got to talk about the last 15 minutes

and or the ending of that extremely successful book. Anyway, Robert Pattinson, dating Suki Waterhouse. Is that her real name? Yes, she's British. I don't know. He's very, he's a great movie star. I love him.

Mickey 17, he's the star of the next Bong Joon-ho movie. He's of course going to be Batman again. And he was cast in the new Adam McKay, hotly, I don't know what was auctioned off film for Netflix about the world of politics and murder, which is fascinating. Number 19, another woman who was not on our list last time, but who reannounced herself in 2021 and 2022,

Sandra Bullock, who was, of course, on this NRG list and is, I think, widely understood to be one of our biggest movie stars of the last 30 years. And she came back with The Lost City. And The Lost City was like a huge standalone original hit, like a $100 million movie that she just opened by wearing like a, what is that called? A jumpsuit? A catsuit?

That's more of a catsuit just because of the fit. She looked unbelievably good. Yeah. I lost my mind when I googled her age of 57 years old.

It's really really strange. And she also made an appearance in Bullet Train as a kind of trade off there and she was in another film too I can't remember what it was. Did they just film those movies

next to each other? It certainly feels like it. There's a lot of crossover. This is Channing Tatum, Brad Pitt, Sandra Bullock. They all agreed to kind of play together for a summer, which I think is really cute.

As far as I know, she doesn't have anything planned. I was reading recently though that there is a new film coming from Netflix called Bird Box, colon Barcelona, which is the Spanish spinoff

of Bird Box, the Central Public Film. So look forward to that. Will we do an episode on that? Can we go to Barcelona? Have you been to Barcelona? Yes, I have. I went to a music festival there. Oh, Primavera?

Primavera, yeah. Cool. I know about music too. In 2009, I think I saw the band Block Party play. Yeah, cool. 2009 was such a cool year. How old were in 2009 bobby 13 sick okay i went with my oldest friend ryan domble oh that's nice um we had a great time we went for three days and we covered it for uh pitchfork.com heard of it have you heard of it was i think it might have still been pitchforkmedia.com back then anyhow

uh yep that's a different time in my life. Watching bands taking notes in my notebook. Actually I remember that vividly. Maybe it was 2010 because that weekend that we were there

Kanye West's Power was released. Do you remember the song Power? Of course. From my beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy which at that time

was my most anticipated thing ever. That was like that was like the Irishman for me back then where I was just like when will they show

this to me? And guess what? It fucking delivered. when will they show this to me and guess what it fucking delivered yeah and I remember vividly me and Ryan sitting in the hotel room being like yeah power

we were so pleased and now look what's happened right but really you guys are just like too soft spoken like yeah we were very quietly like yeah

yeah just officially smiling at each other yeah but in my soul I I was screaming, yeah. Okay, Sandra Bullock, she's wonderful. What's next? 18, Joaquin Phoenix.

My guy. He was 22 last time. What a king. He's having a nice little run here. Yeah. He, of course, is in Bo is Afraid, which is the most debated movie of the year so far, at a minimum.

I will encourage people to check out Paul Schrader's forthcoming comments on the film on this podcast. And he's appearing in two very, very high-profile movies. One later this year, of course, Ridley Scott's Napoleon. And then Joker, Fully Adieu. Yeah. Starring Lady Gaga. Yeah. More dancing.

It's a musical about the Joker and Harley Quinn. Sure. Will you see it? Yes. How have you coped with your attraction to Arthur Fleck, AKA the Joker? I haven't really. I've just kind of put it on ice.

I've compartmentalized, which I think if Arthur Fleck's character knew how to do, the movie would have turned out very differently. So what you're saying is that he needed you to save him. It's notable. Joaquin Phoenix, I think... Just a lot of pelvis, you know? It's powerful.

It is. Do you think he owns the crown of best living actor right now? No, but he's up there. His TV is phenomenal. I mean, definitely he's up there in terms of best career, coolest choices. Yeah. Kind of simultaneously keeping commercial appeal and artistic challenge on the same track in a way that very few people have been able to do in the last 10 years. I'm a big fan.

I'm really excited about Napoleon. I really hope you're going to say Joker, too. He did not say Joker, too. Number 17, someone who has been challenged in the past by the ability to keep those two things on the same track. That's Robert Downey Jr. What a segue. Thank you. He still got it. He still got it. Two hours in. How long is this podcast right now? We're at the 80 so minutes. Every time you try to professionalize this, I just become more determined to throw you off the tracks just so you know. Congratulations to you on destroying all of my dreams.

Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man. He's trying to pivot back from Iron Man to Oppenheimer, to the forthcoming television series, The Sympathizer, to other serious works. He made a documentary about his father with Chris Smith last year called Senior. Fabulous movie. I loved it.

Do you think he's ever... Do you think he's going to come back, come back to Chaplin era Robert Downey Jr.? No, because Robert Downey Jr. seems to really enjoy living the life of Robert Downey Jr. post Iron Man. And I say that in a celebratory way. My guy is in T Magazine just being like, look at these like architecturally significant like geodesic domes I built on my Malibu property.

And it's awesome. They were so cool. Like he's just, he's living. So keep doing that. But that means that you aren't going to take every single difficult or like small role that comes your way. You might take some,

but he just, he doesn't have to, he's to he's not hungry the sympathizer is um widely celebrated novel and they've hired park chanwook to make this show so i'm very very excited about that um he's not centered he's not the star of the film but he or the star of the series but he is a critical part he he was 11 previously he's 17 now you think he'll ever appear in the MCU again? You think he'll get a little sweaty and decide, I got to go back as Tony? You tell me. I mean, he was Iron Man and then he snapped and then he was gone. No, I actually do remember that.

That was a pretty significant part of the events. Yeah, I believe my quote was the most significant film made in the 21st century. Is that what I said? In our lifetimes. So even beyond that. Okay, number 16. guy bradley cooper he's definitely your guy so i would like to to say right now for all of the listeners of the dungeons and dragons podcast spoiler warning i actually did see bradley cooper's cameo and Dungeons & Dragons.

I just forgot while we were recording. But I was there. He was very small and sitting in a chair and had some chemistry with Michelle Rodriguez. You've just decided to spoil this completely. I don't know. It's been out for a long time. It's been about four weeks. You spoiled it on a different podcast.

You spoiled it on the different podcast you spoiled it on the guardians podcast last week but anyone who is invested in rocket story would already know what bradley has achieved in dungeons and dragons this pod this is reaching millions this is this is like uh bobby would you like to insert a spoiler warner sure warning i'll should i should i make a whole song for it like with your science corner should I just insert like an air horn? Like a siren. Do you think more people will hear this episode or will have seen Trump's town hall on CNN on Wednesday?

We've reached the jam hour. Am I going to dignify that with a response here on this feed? Moving on. Bradley Cooper. He's got Maestro coming up. That is a biopic of Leonard Bernstein. Where he wears just a lot of old person makeup. I choose to believe it's great.

Yeah. I love to star as Bourne. Yeah. I love to Star is Born. I believe in Bradley Cooper filmmaker. I think he's got a strong vision for this film, which like many great people have thought they wanted to make and then opted not to make, including Steven Spielberg, as I recall, was at one time making a Leonard Bernstein movie.

We'll see. Also, shout out fucking Nightmare Alley. Hell yeah. Academy Award nominee for Best Picture, Nightmare Alley. Licorice Pizza, ever heard of it? That was, I enjoyed Licorice Pizza and his performance in Licorice Pizza. Number 15 is Scarlett Johansson. I have a very specific take on why ScarJo remains this high,

despite not doing that much recently. Absence makes the heart grow fonder with ScarJo. This is not true of a lot of actors where they can take a long time off and you'd still think they were famous, but there's such a dearth, and you can see it when you see our list in full, of under 40 female stars. There's just not a lot of them right now. She remains one of the few people who has participated in the big IP industrial complex, has been Academy Award nominated, can open a movie on their own, love to work with auteurs,

but doesn't do television. She has not done the Reese Witherspoon, Nicole Kidman, that whole era of actor who has decided to throw themselves headlong into technology company streaming services and frankly like erode their brand um that's rude but i it's many actors have done this as well um i think some of that is timing i mean she was tied up in the mcu for a long time uh pre-pandemic she was doing a lot of that and then she could sprinkle in your marriage stories, your Jojo rabbits. And then she exited the MCU

and then also she had a kid, which congratulations, that's great. Were you out on Colin Jost? I'm not really. You're not anywhere. Yeah. That's fine.

But congratulations to them. Having a kid's a cool thing. And then she's also benefiting from her next, her next... She's in the Wes Anderson movie in, like, three weeks, which is just an automatic win for this audience, meaning you and me specifically. She's literally playing a movie star in the movie. I'm very excited. Yeah, I am as well.

She's also doing this thing, Project Artemis, which Channing Tatum's also doing, which we didn't talk about what that is, which is like a space race movie. I don't know very much about it. That's really all I know. But I'm like, I don't know whether I think Channing Tatum is like a space race person. I don't know whether he could have fit in the 60s spaceships. Because of his width? Well, he's just a bigger guy.

I think astronauts were pretty small. Is that true? I think so. Is that something you learned watching Apollo 13? Yeah, and going to Cape Canaveral? Yes. Okay, and she's also appearing in My Mother's Wedding, which is Kristen Scott Thomas' directorial debut.

Wonderful. She has a rare class. I don't mean she's a classy person. She exists in a rare class as a movie star. So she's 15, 14, the Sandman, Adam Sandler, who proved yet again with Hustle that just because he makes Netflix movies doesn't mean he's not a movie star because my guy won an IFC Spirit Award for his work in that film and it was well-deserved and he gave a phenomenal speech. He was delightful. also in murder mystery 2 which was quite poor but i watched it literally all of it yep and he's got a bunch of really good stuff coming out particularly spaceman new film from johan rank who directed all

of chernobyl and he's making the next safty brothers movie and uncut gems was one of the last good things we had in this world before the pandemic. And so I await that with great eagerness. Will you watch another Safdie Brothers movie? Of course I will. I'm also very excited. Bobby retweeted a just completely unsourced rumor this morning. Baseless rumor. Ben Affleck would also be in the Safdie movie.

What? Playing a retired baseball pitcher. Like, I don't know. I'm speechless. know wow this is how this is how fake news spreads we have absolutely no sourcing on this just so i'm clear you're here to confirm officially that ben affleck will star also included the rumor that megan the stallion is going to be in it which has actually been reported in the trade yeah i saw that i didn't Which for me personally is really important.

I would love to see that. Did it, I know a little bit about this movie. Did it detail like the world that it was set in at all? I think that it's like a memorabilia, like Stanler's like a memorabilia collector and Affleck is like a retired pitcher. Like I just don't know what to do. Throw yourself overboard.

Sorry, Zach. It's over, my friend. I love you dearly. Anyway, number 13. Dwayne The Rock Johnson. He's 51 years old. He's one of the most famous people in America. His movies absolutely stink. They stink. I'm clearing the floor and you can just talk more about Black Adam. I have nothing else to say about it. It was a bit, it was a poor decision or at least poorly executed. It might've been a good idea for a movie,

but it didn't work at all. Audiences rejected it. It frankly got James Gunn hired to take over the DCEU in many ways. It got Henry Cavill fired. Yeah, I appreciated what they were trying to do there because I liked Henry Cavill as Superman and he never quite got the chance to do

what I think he was capable of. Nevertheless, you know, he's making Red Notice 2 and a live-action Moana film, which makes me want to rip my hair out. Fast forward to live-action Moana being released and you there, 10 a.m., the family screening and then opening day because your child demands to see it again. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's very, very possible. Can I just send Knox with you and Alice to the movies? No.

If we're doing this, we're doing it together. No chance. Imagine me trying to manage Knox and Alice alone at a screening of Moana. The thing is that Alice will just like sit very patiently. Meanwhile, Knox will just be like jumping over the seat. He is like the next rock though. He's jacked. You know, he's got all kinds of power. He does next rock though. He's jacked.

You know, he's got all kinds of power. He does not sit still. That's for sure. That's true. The Rock is tough because he is an example of someone who knows how to get people to engage with what he does. But there's like an understanding at this point that the quality is lower. And I feel like he has to fix that. Because he's really talented.

I've talked about him many times on the show. The charisma is just like off the charts. Incredibly charismatic, smart, funny. Like he's someone who knows, I know he knows what's good. So it frustrates me when he keeps doing things

that are just trying to reach the most people without worrying as much about quality. We'll see. We'll see what happens there. It seems like he's out of the Fast franchise fully.

And that also works against him in some respects. He was eight last time we talked. He's 13 now. Number 12 is who? Cate Blanchett. Didn't win an Oscar, but did give us Lydia Tarr. So in that sense, just the most important person forever.

Off mic, I spoke with Paul Schrader of the film Tarr. Yeah. He was a fan. Oh, good. Okay. I wasn't sure how I felt about tar but now i know that paul schrader is also he approved so you can endorse it um she is like she dabbles and everything now she obviously was like in thor ragnarok memorably she was in your beloved nightmare

alley she does tv she's doing more tv she also doing Borderlands, which is a video game adaptation. Yeah. Co-written with Eli Roth, the director who summarily left the film with Craig Mazin, who co-created the Last of Us TV series. Sure. And I think Tim Miller came in to direct that movie after Eli Roth left. I have no idea what to expect. That's the two movies in a row that Cate Blanchett made with Eli Roth,

which is just fascinating. It's two more, yeah. Yeah, two more than I would have ever guessed would be possible. Cate Blanchett, though, is, you know, I think Joaquin here and Cate Blanchett here. Yes. You know, like, they do a very similar thing. They are widely presumed to be, you know, the best at what they do, but they do dip into, like, mainstream storytelling to kind of keep the flame hot

so they can then pursue things like Tar. So I think that's what Borderlands is in some ways. This is an attempt to kind of maintain a cultural relevance. She was nine before, slipped down, slipped behind Chris Pratt. Yeah, I don't know what to say. Chris Pratt's really high on this. Right, and he's in Guardians.

He's in all the Jurassic World movies, which make a ton of money, even though no one on this podcast can remember that they exist. He was the voice of Super Mario, which I know you said doesn't count, but that movie's made $45 gazillion. He is going to be the voice of Garfield? Like, I don't know what to say. He's just that guy in all of our

mainstream movies now. He's that guy. I can't debate it. He was in Moneyball. He was wonderful in Moneyball. He was. Who did he play? Scott Hattieberg?

Yeah. Yeah. Who hits the, you know, and then... Solid on bass guy late in his career. So much less relevant than hits the, you know, and then. Solid on base guy. Yeah. Late in his career. So much less relevant

than all the pitchers who are not featured in that film, but that's okay. Okay. Wow. Bob's takes. Where's Mark Mulder

in Moneyball? Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, who is the third? Come on, Bobby. Come on, Bobby. It's the Tim. It's not Tim

Lincecum it's not Jason is ring house is it the guy who throws to the Tim Hudson Tim Hudson throws weird no I got Tim Lincecum stuck in my head and then as soon as I got that in my head it was just a zero chance of me being able to remember that it was actually

Hudson okay number 10 Julia Roberts she did it she was not on the list last time. She was not eligible. She's barely eligible. We are counting the release of Leave the World Behind. Maybe my most anticipated movie of the year at this point. As her third film, she obviously has Ticket to Paradise.

And then Ben is Back is the qualifying third film. I think she's wonderful in that movie. As previously discussed on a podcast that Sean cut insultingly short she does some TV you should did gaslit she did homecoming both with our pal Sam Esmail she's Julia Roberts

she's it no debate she is she is that like do we have that yet she's her she is her she's her yeah would be her. She's her? Yeah. Would be the formulation there. That's like whenever I talk about Nolan and I say, I am him. Yeah. Okay.

I don't care. Julie Roberts. She's wonderful. I got no beef with this. I think at any other time over the last 30 years would have qualified. And we just so happen to reach a point in her career where Post Ben is back. She kind of stopped working for a few years there. She's back.

She's Julia Roberts. She was very high on the NRG study. Yeah. She's very high on our list. Number nine, Tom Hanks. Tom was 10 last time. I might make the case

that he could even be higher on this list. It's debatable because a man called Otto made like $140 million. And Elvis made a tremendous amount of money as well. In part on his name but in part on Elvis' name Austin Beller's performance and Baz Luhrmann's career.

But A Man Called Otto is just Tom Hanks. I mean, there's nothing else to it. It's based on a film called A Man Called Ove. It's not, this is not intellectual property. It's just about a cranky motherfucker. And everybody was like, I would love to see that. It is currently the number one film streaming on the netflix service thanks have you seen this movie no i i meant to

but you were like you don't have to go see it i mean here's the most meaningful thing about it it's not good like it's fine but it's not like i will watch it at some point and i will probably have just an okay time. But I was thinking about reading his novel. Okay. That's nice. Yeah. I'm going to expense it,

but it's about movies, so. Thanks for weighing in. Hanks is great. I mean. He's going to be in the Wes Anderson movie. That's cool. That's great.

It's exciting to see him working with someone like Wes. The cast of Asteroid City is ludicrous. Ludicrous. I want to talk about the AI Wes Anderson stuff but I also don't

so I'm going to pivot and avoid it. Are you aware of it? No. Okay, let's forget it. Is this like the TikTok thing? No. Did you know that there was

like a whole TikTok thing about like if I were at like a Wes Anderson film and it's like people making their lives Yeah, yeah. That's what's happening.

They're doing Star Wars. They're doing, they did Lord of the Rings. This is a trend. It's annoying. I don't want to talk about it right now. Okay, sorry. It's not your fault. I didn't do it.

It's like it's going to destroy movies and I'm not happy about it. Number eight, Michael B. Jordan. 36 years old. He's on the new list. I mean, he's one of the only old school doing it the way that we want them to do it dudes like he's using a franchise but not a comic book movie

necessarily to push his fame forward Creed 3 was I think a surprisingly big hit bigger than Creed 2 and he's now making another

IP movie but one that feels like not quite IP feels more like Harrison Ford style IP in fact Tom Clancy IP in Rainbow Six, which it sounds like is going to be made

with Chad Stahelski, the director of the four John Wick films, which is very exciting. That is a spinoff of Without Remorse, which was a movie that wasn't very good that he made for Amazon Prime a few years ago, but that I thought he and Jamie Bell had something very special in that movie.

And I think Rainbow Six has a chance to elevate the characters out of that world into something cooler. He's just somebody who I think people are like I'd like to know what he's up to. There's a handful

of more prestigious projects. Just Mercy did pretty solid business. He doesn't dip into those nearly as much. But he's he's a great movie star in my opinion.

I'm pro. I loved I loved Creed. Loved Creed 3. I didn't think Without Remorse was very good, but in general, I'll watch some pretty garbage Tom Glancy stuff, so if Chad Stahelski is involved,

I'll enjoy it. I'll clock that for future podcast reference. Number seven is who? Charlize Theron. She was number two last time we did this. So, precipitous fall from number two to number seven.

Could make the case she should fall back even further. She hasn't done very much. She's taking it easy these days. She is going to

appear in Fast X. She is making the old guard two. She did make a surprising appearance in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

in the stinger. In which she portrays, I can't remember the character's name but a woman who would become will become dr strange's romantic partner rival you know uh seems like a complex rom-com i think so yeah um cumberbatch and charlize you think there's some energy there i don't but i i will watch it, I guess. Okay.

I probably won't, but. She's 48 years old. Yeah. Is this too high for her? Seven? I feel like she's kind of giving it up.

She's just in a lull, but we have to, you know, honor past. Also, like, again, once Old Guard

comes out, I did not think the original Old Guard was that bad. you guys were talking about it on some podcast i just think relative to gina prince by the woods other films of course yeah it's not up there i feel it felt meddled with in a way that her other films don't right but you know charlie's in that movie is still charlie's i guess it'll be interesting when furiosa comes out and it's not charlieize and she has nothing to do with it.

And that kind of feels like the passing of the baton. It will be Anya Taylor-Joy, right? Yeah. She's great. Number six is Brad Pitt. He's 60 years old. That's crazy. He was the star of Babylon.

I've seen it. One of the greatest films of our times. You know, I didn't like Bullet Train very much, but he was the've seen it. One of the greatest films of our times. You know, I didn't like Bullet Train very much, but he was the center of it. And it made a good amount of money. Not a ton, but it was successful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crushing on airplanes all across America.

It's a huge airplane movie, a huge Netflix movie. Yeah. I think a lot of people have seen Bullet Train now. It's a very forgettable kind of a movie, but a lot of people are watching it and then forgetting it. He's got two big movies coming out.'s got wolves which is him re-teaming with george clooney which sounds pretty fucking good i'm just out of my mind excited for this one i i'm on the looking at paparazzi photos of them on set level with this movie and then he's got the f1 racing drama for apple tv plus which apparently will be going

to theaters. And apparently they're also just like filming in Europe throughout the back half of this season and like Stuttgart or wherever. Joseph Kaczynski putting in work, developing new camera technology to sit cameras on top of the cars. I can't wait. Joseph Kaczynski just wants to go fast, bro. And I see him for that.

He is our speed demon on this podcast. Very excited about that movie. And when I was talking about people who can still get movies made, a movie like that is packaged very specifically with Brad Pitt at the forefront of it. You know, it's certainly from Jerry Bruckheimer and the guy who brought you Top Gun Maverick,

but it's like Brad Pitt is your race car driver. That's the movie. And that's a very old fashioned Hollywood thing, even if they're taking Apple's money to do it.'s number five viola davis this is exciting i don't know i just i feel great about it she was number 15 last time we vaulted her ahead she's 57 years old yeah her last two movies are great air and the woman king woman king she was not nominated for the woman king should have been. As should have the Woman King.

I mean that. Remember Andrea Risborough? What a time. The further that we get from that. So dumb. And we were pretty upset or confused at the time. And then as you point out, she's going to be nominated for Air. That seems like a lot right now.

Yeah. That's probably. I mean, certainly if the nominations are announced today, that's a no-brainer. I'll be curious to see if it holds. I think, obviously, a lot of people are going to see it. She's great in it. Yeah.

It's a very unfactual performance. A lot of the things that happened specifically with her character are not exactly how things shook out. That's okay. That has historically been wielded against performers. Whatever. Okay. she's wonderful she's also going to be

appearing next in The Hunger Games The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes more of a songbirds or a snakes head I think you know the answer to that

though I have a beautiful singing voice you know if asked ciao papa as listeners have shown there it is

I'm certainly more of a snake i'm i'm not sure if i'm even gonna see this hunger games movie it kind of hurts my head i'll see it okay i've read all three of those books is there another book me too is there a song this is based on i think that this is based on like a follow-up well did you read that no i did not read that i didn't even see the last jennifer lawrence one i didn't even see the last of the original movie series. I have a pained relationship to it with Philip Seymour Hoffman and all that. Yeah, that's sad. Have you thought about the fact that at some point your child is going to be really into a series like The Hunger Games?

Can't wait. I'm fine with it. Yeah. I just want her to find things she loves. If there are things I don't love, I'm cool with that. I genuinely feel that way. No, I know. You've had this conversation. You're very sincere about it. What if the thing that she loves. If there are things I don't love, I'm cool with that. I genuinely feel that way. No, I know. We've had this conversation.

You're like very sincere about it. And it's very, it's really lovely. What if the thing that she loves is Oppenheimer? My parents did not discourage the things that I loved. And it let me get an amazing opportunity to have the life I want to have. That is like one of the best things that my parents did for me. Was they were like, you're a fucking nerd loser. Awesome.

You want to sit in the library and read books about monsters? Cool. And look at me now. Talking about James Gunn movies. Yeah movies yeah for a living into a microphone no i think it's a beautiful thing i and i agree and i will also try to do it but i am like you know i really liked reading the hunger games movies but you saying that you're not going to watch it and i'm like just fast forward five years i'm just kind of like i put in a lot of time on the Hunger Games minds when those movies were coming out. I just feel a little bored.

Hunger Games minds. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Number four. Fucking man. Keanu Reeves. He was number seven last time.

He moves up to four because John Wick Chapter Four. I think that's actually my favorite movie of the year. It's like showing up in John Wick Chapter Four kind of one and two right now. Okay. Listen, you contain multitudes. That's really beautiful. What? That's something i'm going for you know i want i want to i want to experience all kinds of storytelling chris ryan is going to

paris i'm just sharing chris ryan's travels but i keep um drop a pin cr no but i don't think he's the last time i talked to him about it he hadn't seen john wick for yet and so i didn't want to spoil it for him but i really wanted to talk about the last you know the climactic scene yeah great stuff I want Chris to do

the Arc de Triomphe scene I know I basically want Chris to do like a John Wick 4 tour of Paris like on TikTok yeah I mean that

would be incredible content what else is there to say he's gonna be in Ballerina which is a spin-off I think a prequel to the John Wick movies. I don't know if he has anything else planned.

I like Matrix Resurrections. Most people didn't. Fuck them. I don't know what to say. I thought it was really clever and interesting. That's it. Number three. Leonardo DiCaprio.

Sliding down from one to three. Why are you yelling at me? Why did you hurt Leo in this fight? This was your decision. By the way, this is, so Leo is just like out here still wearing his just like, you know, hospital, free doctor's

office COVID mask, like wherever he goes for anonymity, which I think is great. Oh, that's who you were referring to. Yeah, that's who I was referring to. That's Leo. He's just like everywhere all the time. He's out the world he's like at every tennis event he loves he went to the adele free concert which was like three years ago social butterfly yeah he's thriving okay he's at coachella um maybe with like in the same tent as arena shake which you know raised some eyebrows anyway my guy's living

life and uh every once in a while between every three or four years between living his life he decides to make a movie and he's made a third one killers of the flower which is coming out next week yeah yeah well it's it's being screened in france for not us cr won't be there either no none of us will be there. So what are we going to do? No, we'll literally be at the Prince Charles Cinema hosting a screening of a different movie.

I'll be at the Taylor Swift concert. I know, Bobby. I'm really excited for you. I neglected to mention last week. How'd you get tickets? I was in, as Sean would say, in the mines

getting tickets on free Italian Wi-Fi. Honestly, I was on vacation. And I got the damn tickets on ticket. I honestly, huge respect to you. Where are you on Taylor Swift and Matt Healy? I hate it. You hate it?

Tell me more. Why? I'm just so not in on the 1975. It just missed me. I don't want it. I don't need the mess. I don't want to learn the songs. I just don't want to learn the songs.

That's my take. No one is asking you to learn the 1975 songs. I guess. It's just, it's perfect content and chaos. I think it's really funny, even though I also do not understand the 1975 at all. I just don't understand. He looks so awkward at every concert in the VIP tent. He does like, he is a professional musician and doesn't know how to like

hang out at a concert. I love it. It's really funny. You up on this Sean? Yeah. Do you like the 1975 Sean? I like Love It If We Made It and every other song I'm

deeply confused by. I don't get it at all. You once sent me a video of Matt Healy being like Oasis needs to get back together and that was really good content. That's the best movie of 2020. Is Matt Healy talking about the Gallag need to get back together. And that was really good content. That's the best movie of 2020.

Is Matt Healy talking about the Gallagher brothers? I accept this and don't need to know anything else. And now he's dating Taylor Swift. And it just seems like a great show for everyone. I think you should play that clip of him saying that. It's like 30 seconds, Bobby. I'll send it to you. It's gold.

No, I've seen it. Yeah. What are Oasis doing? Can you imagine being in potentially right now still the coolest band

in the world and not doing it because you're in a marred with your brother do you know what I mean I can deal with them dressing like they're in their 20s

and being in their 50s but acting like they're in their 20s they need to grow up stop marreding they're like men of the people and they're sat around

in like Little Venice and Highgate like crying over an argument with their brother. Grow up. Headline Glastonbury. Anyway. We're talking about Leonardo DiCaprio for crying out loud. I bet Leo will go to the

Aris Tour. Fucking Taylor Swift. God damn it well leonardo dicaprio the goat he's wonderful he's been in every good movie he was also in don't look up uh and now he's gonna be watched film in netflix history is is is that still the case it hasn't been updated i think that's the case okay if not the most maybe the top five not not till bird box barcelona it's coming for us all right we moved him behind number two denzel washington now denzel If not the most, maybe the top five. Not till Bird Box Barcelona. It's coming for us. All right, we moved him behind number two, Denzel Washington.

Now, Denzel Washington is majestic. Truly royalty. He's 68 years old. So this is probably his last, yeah. His last hurrah before he has retired to icon status. Denzel Washington is still cranking him out. The Equalizer 3 is coming. And I watched the trailer. And as soon as I saw it, I texted Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan and said, this looks fucking sick.

Yeah. And it does. It does. And you know what? He's going to Italy. That's what the story is. The Equalizer retires to Italy. And then they're like, uh-oh, the mafia's in Italy.

And then he needs to equalize the mafia absolutely now you care that they go to Europe well in this case I'm thrilled brandishing a 9mm I'm thrilled

it should be very fun and then I guess is this real I don't know but there were rumors that he's gonna be a gladiator too

and I just yes so Paul Meskel Barry Keoghan, Connie Nielsen, I think was cast, and Denzel Washington. Absolutely. Okay. And Sir Ridley. Yeah, and Sir Ridley. At the age of 80, whatever.

What about Pedro Pascal, too? Oh, Pedro Pascal as well? Wow. That's like, that's the murder team. A lot of hitters there. Just, I'm so excited. They should call that movie

Gladiator 2 colon Equalizer 4. That's how tight that sounds. Just very exciting. I love Denzel. This is a fond farewell

to him sitting at number two. But he can't be number one. No. Who's number one? Man named Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. 60 years old. 60 years old. 60 years young.

Death defying at all times. I'm not sure if I've ever been more excited for a summer blockbuster than I am for Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1.

I have and it was for Top Gun Maverick and it fucking paid off. So. He's uh he grabbed the crown back really. He was number three

when we did this list in 2021. He started Maverick and his campaign for Maverick was super weird and frankly, very effective. He's a very strange man and he's a wonderful, wonderful entertainer. Speaking of crowns, are you aware that Tom Cruise filmed a short tribute video to King Charles III that was played at his coronation concert. I haven't watched this, but I did hear that he used the phrase, you can be my wingman anytime. That's literally the extent of it.

He's in one of his Tom Cruise planes. He says, you can be my wingman anytime. And then he does like, the plane does a dive away from the screen. I'd like to bring something up that's really important here. Tom Cruise has co-opted see you from the screen. I'd like to bring something up that's really important here. Tom Cruise has co-opted See You at the Movies.

Now, I don't know why he decided that that's his catchphrase, but that's my catchphrase. And his lawyers need to speak to my attorneys because I have been working very hard on developing a persona of See You at the Movies

and he's just stolen like he's in planes being like see you at the movies yeah what so you're gonna make a see you at the movies owned ip thing you're not gonna make it that this is for everyone kind of thing you're not gonna democratize see you at the movies and copyrighted the phraseology see you at the movies Are you sure that he did not say See you at the movies In his 2021 Tenet Video hype reel? I don't think that he did Okay But I invented

See you at the movies In 1982 The day I was born I popped out And I said See you at the movies And I've been saying it Every day ever since

That's a horror film right there And that's mine. So Tom, get your own catchphrase. You have so much and you've given us so much. Give it back to me is all I'm asking. What do you want to see from him in the future? Certainly part two. Certainly part two.

Certainly continuing to be alive while filming films. I don't know whether he can do Tom Cruise charisma again. continuing to be alive while filming films. I would, I don't know whether he can do Tom Cruise charisma again. Like, I don't know whether he can do another non action. Like Jerry Maguire. Jerry Maguire, a few good men.

Like any of them. Risky business. Yeah. Yeah. The firm. I don't know whether he can do that. Jack Reacher. No, exactly. The mummy. No. Lions for lambs. I saw the firm. I don't know whether he can do that. Jack Reacher. No, exactly.

The Mummy. No. Lions for Lambs. I saw The Mummy. Oh, Lions for Lambs. That was tough. Yeah, I would like Charisma Cruise back. I like that because he was playing Tom Cotton in that film.

Okay. Great. So it was effective. I bought it. Frank T.J. Mackey? I would just like some Charisma back. I want Cruise in a Tarantino movie. I'm saying it out loud right now. Oh, that's a great idea. I want it. Frank T.J. Mackey? I would just like some charisma back. I want Cruise in a Tarantino movie. I'm saying it out loud right now.

That's a great idea. I want it. I know that we would all appreciate it. I know that Tom knows that Quentin Tarantino movies are good. Yes. I want it. Okay. Great. Will it happen? It sure doesn't seem like it. There's only one more Quentin movie left. Yeah.

No? I mean, why would I say no? I want to believe, you know? It's the secret. We're putting it out in the world and then maybe it will come true. Leo Denzel and Tom Cruise have been with us for a really, really long time. And they're still at the top. So in some ways, we have ratified the findings of the National Research Group, even though the order is different and we have evacuated Johnny Depp from our list. Yeah, of course. You okay with that? I don't know if I'm okay with it.

I think that it is an accurate reflection of the movie industry and also like movie stars and celebrities and it's hard for it's not even the people who are 28 and 30 and 35 who star in movies like aren't famous it's just that you got to have a rounder profile and so it's like the movie star solo is is a dying breed any closing thoughts bob any thoughts on this list we've put together here? I mean, to the point about the older movie stars still kind of dominating it, it kind of reminds me a little bit of like, you know, sports announcers

where there's only so many jobs and the people who have them don't want to give them up and they kind of get better like as they go along, you know? And so I just... I don't know if they get better

so much as we begin to accept them in different terms. Right, exactly. Or like you have nostalgia for what you think that they are and mean to you and the movies. And so you just kind of know what to expect in a way that, you know start you have nostalgia for what you think that they are and mean to you and the movies and so you just kind of know what to expect in a way that you

know you don't want to take that chance with younger actors but I I don't know I just want good things for Tom Cruise live die repeat and repeat is rumored so would take that in a second me too wasn't there gonna be a Doug Liman movie about a guy going to space during Tom Cruise yeah

it's like a SpaceX untitled Tom Cruise SpaceX project oh dear does that mean he explodes when he's sent that I don't want any part of actually

I'm good I feel like we did a pretty good job I hold myself to a high standard with this fake bullshit that we do yeah

do you ever not hold yourself to a high standard it's nice of you to say that I think actually my problem in life is that I don't hold myself to a high standard with this fake bullshit that we do yeah and i think you ever not hold yourself to a high standard it's nice of you to say that i think actually the problem my problem in life is that i don't hold myself to a high enough standard i really don't think that's true and i think like no one needs a xanax prescription more than you but that's a different conversation i guess um yeah i just it's time for me to go back into analysis it's rare that I like am like try to be kind to you but like cut yourself some slack you're doing pretty well I'm 40 yeah that's what's going on okay you know I'm sitting here it's 11 p.m on a Wednesday and I'm just banging out a list of movie star names alongside you in the dock no I went to sleep

at 10 as you know well you were there with me it. It was like 9.58 and I was like, I'm about to turn into a pumpkin. I have to get into bed. I was watching the Lakers game in the dock, just watching Sean paste in several different facts, several different lists, multiple lists going at the same time. I work hard for this show, for you guys, for my colleagues, for my own standards, for my own future prescriptions that I need to keep myself on the train tracks just like Joaquin stays on the tracks serving both commercial enterprise and personal artistic challenge that's what I'm that's what this show is about that's what we're about here thank you

so much Bob for your production work on this episode next week on the podcast we're going to talk about the 10 most anticipated summer movies we're also going to talk about if I get a chance to see it, book club chapter two. Oh, yeah. I wanted to schedule that as soon as we stop recording. Let's figure that out. I hope I can make that happen, but I have to record the rewatchables tomorrow. I'll just put it out here now. Saturday nap time.

It's a challenge. Can't do it. It's Mother's Day weekend. I'm doing so much. Well, I know, but not on Mother's Day. I know, but I've created a whole weekend here. But I'm a challenge. Can't do it. It's Mother's Day weekend. I'm doing so much. Well, I know, but not on Mother's Day. I know, but I've created a whole weekend here. But I'm a mother. One of my favorite mothers, but you're not the mother in my life.

Top five mothers right here in the outro of the pod. Thank you. Okay. All right. Well, that was just an idea I had. You know, I was trying to be creative. It's a good take and I appreciate it. I'm trying to imagine explaining that to Eileen on Saturday.

I have to go see Book Club 2 with Amanda. It's 90 minutes. While they're asleep, you know? I got so much to tell you about how the naps change over time. I know, I know, I know. It's all happening. Hey, thanks for listening to The Big Picture. This has been a normal episode.

See you soon. Thank you.