The Big Picture - The Paul Thomas Anderson Movie Character Draft

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

For the first time ever, Sean, Amanda, and Chris are doing a movie character draft! Today, they draft their favorite characters from Paul Thomas Anderson’s filmography. But before diving in, they react to a handful of news headlines, including the speculation that David Ellison and Paramount plan on making a strong bid to acquire Warner Bros. Discovery, new information regarding key details about Aaron Sorkin’s ‘The Social Network II’, and the recent awards buzz surrounding Sydney Sweeney’s performance in the upcoming boxing film ‘Christy’ (1:38). Then, they talk through their personal relationships to Anderson’s work (25:15), introduce the new categories (41:19), and finally draft their characters (49:27). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders This episode is sponsored by State Farm®️. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.®️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer, availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the big picture. conversation show about Paul Thomas Anderson. CR is here. It must mean we're drafting. Chris, welcome back to the big picture. Thank you guys for having me. It's been too long. Has it been, has it been two months? It's been most of the

summer. Two months. I guess so. Since Chicago? Yeah, since we were in Chicago, which is remarkable. Welcome back. We are going to draft very special Paul Thomas Anderson movie characters today. The well-adjusted all-stars. Yes. A lot of normal men and women for whom everything is going fine. I'm very excited to do that, but

a lot of news has struck today. Right. Some more consequential than others. Yes. One very large piece of news that we should discuss. We don't have a lot of details around this piece of news, but it is really, really relevant to what we do on this show

on a daily basis, and what you do on the watch as well, which is that it has been reported by the Wall Street Journal that Paramount Skydance is making a majority cash offer to buy Warner Brothers, not Warner Brothers movie studio, not the networks,

the whole kitten caboodle. Warner Brothers is about to break off into two companies, the sort of discovery section of the company is spinning off, and then the other assets, the assets that interest us most prominently. And of course,

Skydance just closed the deal to buy Paramount, which is one of the most legendary movie studios. Warner Brothers also one of the most legendary movie studios. first reactions to this news, Amanda. What do you make of this potential acquisition? I think the first thing I said to you was, oh, that happened because it has been rumored for a while. Like there were indications, and especially if you listen to the town with Matt Bellany,

tea leaves suggest that people were maneuvering. And so this was the, we got some of the deal points, I guess, on this one. I mean, sure, I guess. Hollywood seems fucked like the rest of the world. So, you know, I don't, David Ellison owns Paramount at this point, I think. But all I really know about his tenure is that he's trying to hire Barry Weiss. So have some questions about CNN. Otherwise, like, we all we have is Skydance to go on, which, you know, I like the Mission

Impossible movies. But it's a lot of Hollywood history all under one roof that we don't know much about. Mm-hmm. Chris? It would seem to me that if this goes through, we just arrived back to where we were 20 years ago where there's a big three. And that we have Netflix, Amazon,

and Paramount Warner Brothers with Apple being like, yeah, we like to make shows to put on our phones and stuff. Do you think that that diminishes Disney's standing in the... Oh, right. So Big Four. Sorry. Yeah. So Disney still has its network arm. Yeah. This is the man who has not seen Lilo and Stitch, clearly. No, I have not.

I mostly go to the Disney app for Alien Earth at this point. But I saw the first new story that I thought you were referring to, I guess I thought this morning was, I mean, among others, was that I saw that Larry Ellison had added $100 billion

of personal wealth over because of Oracle's stock performance. Yes, the stock is searching for Oracle. While Skydance's acquisition of Paramount was marked by a lot of like, can David pull this money together? I do not think that that seems like to be truly

an issue. Like it was more like what's paramount actually worth if it was just, if they are going in with an all cash offer, it seems that he does have the cash and it also seems like this administration will probably waive that through given their

attitude towards mergers I would say. At least mergers from the right. Yes. Ownership groups. You know, it's impossible to know what the intentions of the new potential owners of a movie studio we're going to do. There are some things that we do know about Paramount.

For example, we know that they have made a lot of noise about preserving the theatrical experience and hiring the Duffer brothers to move over to Paramount so that they can make theatrical movies away from Netflix. As far as I know, amongst people I know who work here, there's a lot of optimism about what Paramount is attempting to do, which is to, you know, they bought a James Mangold, Timothy Shallamee Heist movie. And that was one of the very first things that was announced that they did. They signed an overall with Will Smith to make theatrical movies.

Like there's clearly something, at least in terms of what we do here on the show, that is trending in a positive direction. Warner Brothers has been this awkward media conglomerate for about 25 years, right? The time merger famously like Time AOL, kind of a disaster, right? The Verizon era of ownership for the company was... Was it Verizon or AT&T? The AT&T era of ownership was problematic at S. John Malone and that's where Zazelot comes in, right?

Yes. Now, the Discovery Group owning the company has been up until about nine months ago, I would say, defined by inconsistency and a lot of show, a lot of tell and not show. And now, at least on the movie side... You're being so diplomatic. Well, I'm trying to... I don't really know...

I mean, there are... The consolidation is very dicey in Hollywood, but it is also the story of Hollywood. Yeah. Like, historically, a movie studio starts, and then another person realizes that if they bring their skills to one group and another group and they come together, they can be more powerful. Yeah. And that sometimes creates good outcomes, but it also sometimes squeezes people out of jobs. If you work at Warner Brothers and your parent company also owns Paramount, will they keep them separate or will they be duplication? will the tastes of the two studios,

whatever the emerging taste of Paramount is, versus if you look at what Mike DeLuca and Pam Abdi are doing at Warner Brothers right now, it is fucking working. I mean, it is working more than any studio chiefs have done in 10 years. Right, right. You know, they have Jeff Schell and they have all these people

who are working on that stuff. And then so you have to ask yourself, is that a purchase for certain assets and then a fire sale for others? You know, so like, do they buy it? And then they say, but we're going to spin HBO off or we're going to spin off X, Y, or Z?

I don't know. It's certainly possible, obviously, and it majorly affects the world of TV because of CNN, because of HBO, because of a handful of other networks that are there, HBO is one of the only things that in the tumult of the last 20 years of Warner's ownership. It's been doing just great. You know, I mean, you know, they've had ups and downs, I guess, but it still basically has that platinum reputation for quality programming. You're in the midst of a task recap. Yeah. I'm in the midst of a, I promise I'm going to watch task one day conversation. Maybe this week. I hope I will. I'm, I am. I, I am. I, I am. I, I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I am. I like a little bit nervous about this? It doesn't feel great, I would agree. And, but I mean, you're right that the history of Hollywood is these studios being mushed together or traded or being owned by like Gulf and Western and other. So we have, we have seen this before. But I mean, again, the world doesn't feel good right now. It is like a pretty shaky time in the industry if you are living here in Los Angeles and

trying to work, and I think you're right to read that, like, no matter what, it probably means layoffs, it probably means just, it's more uncertainty. So, and it, I mean, it doesn't seem like we're getting another boom as a result of it, right? It doesn't seem like they're just going to start greenlighting even more stuff and even more people will get jobs. So that's, that's alarming. It's funny because, you know, Amazon obviously acquired MGM, which at the time of that acquisition was a very, had an incredible library, but was a relatively small movie

studio. Disney absorbed Fox before that, and Fox was a massive studio with an incredible history, but it really just kind of very quickly got subsumed by the mouse house, right? They kind of just absorbed the IP, what was valuable, and then kind of more or less dispensed with, yeah, using some of that library, that catalog to make more stuff. In this case, we don't know what Paramount Scott ends is. Like, we don't even really know what they're going to do. And so the idea of them potentially absorbing, you know, the home of Stanley Kubrick and Clint Eastwood and for many years, Christopher Nolan and Denis and Eve and all of these

filmmakers and now maybe more Ryan Coogler movies and so on and so forth. It's interesting, and we will continue to cover. I'm sure Matt will be all over this on the town of the week. The consolidation thing is this, because I even. even as I said, oh, there's going to be a big three, but there's also Comcast Universal. So there's a big four, there's a big five, but does consolidation end there?

You know, does a tech company turn around and say, well, we'll buy one of the last legacy studios or, you know, does it become harder and harder to compete if you're running a studio like Sony that doesn't have a streaming arm per se, you know, and is probably going to go through a leadership change at some point soon? Like, there's going to be a lot of tumult

in the industry. I think. Also, you didn't say Netflix. And I didn't say Netflix, I guess. Yeah. So, which is a different thing, but also. Yeah. The one last kind of, like, open piece out there is Lionsgate, which has been rumored to be on the block for, like, a decade.

And another studio that has actually quite a good library of films, but, you know, has had kind of a tough couple of years in terms of the box office. So, but everything else, you're right, is kind of like super powering up, you know, Amazon is doing movies and theaters next year. Apple off the successive F1 I think we'll try to do events like this Netflix doesn't seem to be changing their tune but maybe they are that's something we don't really know and K-pop Demon Hunters sing-along style they put it in theaters

something that happened while we were on break What studio made the beekeeper? I believe that was Amazon MGM I believe that's who I'm betting on okay cool They just seemed great Was it Amazon MGM?

Yeah You'll follow Dave an air into the fire? Just pulled up a list of Skydance films as Skydance that is... Well, it's not the best history. Well, I mean, it's, but it's specific. It sure is.

Yeah. Is there a man with a heavy artillery in his hand? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I won't read them all, but as Skydance, as opposed to Skydance productions, we start with Star Trek Beyond. Jack Reacher never go back. Baywatch, Annihilation for you.

Yes. And you. Nice. Mission Impossible Fallout. Gemini Man didn't work. Six Underground for both of you. A Terminator movie also. Sounds like they just make classics.

The Old Guard, Tomorrow War, The Adam Project. Top Gun Maverick. I have to be honest. I'm really grateful for that. Thank you, David Ellison. I also kind of like Tomorrow War. Luck, Air, some more Transformers, Spy Kids, Armageddon, the Gorge, Founden of Youth. You love The Gorge.

Old Guard, too. Which we watched for five minutes on our computer right here before. Guy and Gal with a Gun. very movie star forward their formula is pretty straight it's like straight down the middle now that's fine when you're running a big production company that finances studio movies and that's what they do they finance streamers they finance theatrical releases for paramount i don't think i said ghosted remember that oh yeah terrible movie yeah um the the trick will be can they make any other kind of movie movies for kids movies for women movies for old people movies for you know like they're

only making movies for chris and so you have to figure out something else. It's not true. There's a lot of different kinds of people in the Tomorrow War. That's a diverse cast. It's very, very true. Okay, well, that's by far

the biggest news of the day. Okay. Good luck, everyone. Good luck to... Warner Brothers finally doing something really good for movies and everyone being excited about it

and then immediately getting bought is a little like, God damn, what are we doing this for? But maybe it'll turn out great. Amanda's right. We just have to remember that, like,

it was a paramount at Gulf Western Company. You know, like this stuff is... Totally, totally, yeah. Didn't Coca-Cola own Columbia at a certain point? I mean, that's movies. Right, that's a movie business. I'm concerned about the lots and the real estate here.

Okay. Because these are two prime locations, prime old school lots. Yep. Love both of them, actually. I love both of them. They're really fun. That's a fun part about being in this world is getting to visit the lots and see movies. And, but I'm just, I'm very nervous about them consult.

We can't, We can't change them because they're real estate ventures. I will buy the Warner Brothers lot. Oh, but I would take Paramount, you know? Wasn't there a report, though, that, like, they were going to make the Paramount lot, like, the CBS headquarters as well? Right. And, like, also an apartment builder for something? I don't know.

We don't know. We shall see. It's my fave. Lesser news in the world of entertainment, but not necessarily to this world here of the big picture, is the social network to... We're just calling it that. That is what it's called. The social networker. The social

The social The socialer network The social What's a good title Too social to network Right To social to network There we go

That's me That is you That movie's happening Apparently It is apparently Going to begin Shooting in one month And the film is cast

We're gonna be on the East Coast In October Field trip To the set Do you think it's being filmed there There's a large picture Of Amanda Outside of that set

That says Do not allow this woman Within 100 yards this shooting set. I just want to help. You know? I think this can be a group project. Me, Aaron, David Fincher,

other people who know how to shoot movies. All your buds. Aaron Sorkin is the writer and director of this movie, which he is making for Sony. It stars Jeremy Strong, Mikey Madison, and Jeremy Allen White. Apparently, that is confirmed. Mikey Madison will be playing Francis Howgan,

the former Facebook product manager to whistleblower who exposed the Facebook files. That, you know, I think that is a good. area of focus for this story. That actually gives me some relief around the attempt to make this a Jan 6 movie. I'm sure that that will be a component in the story, but making it process-oriented, making it specific. I had totally blocked that out until just now. Yeah, not ideal.

Okay. Jeremy L. & White will portray Jeff Horowitz, the author of the Wall Street Journal piece around these revelations. That's what all financial reporters look like. And then Jeremy... Journal, well, you know, I know a huge... We're all on camera. know. I mean, Amina Kimes, our friend, was once a finance reporter. She, like, she bought businesses to their knees. She doesn't look like Jeremy Allen White.

Who's Jeremy Allen White? He's playing. He's playing this author. Jeremy Strong is Mark Zucker. Jeremy Strong is Mark Zucker. I'm concerned about that. I have concerns. Do you think he's going to bulk up Jeremy Strong? Well, with like Zuckerberg in his M.A era? What is this? This is like 2015-16? It was in, wouldn't it be 20? It would be, didn't, didn't Zuckerberg get swole after that? Wasn't it like a pandemic backer boy's thing? Yeah.

And then he re. The Facebook files piece was published in 2021. I don't have in front of me the day that Mark Zuckerberg became swole. Did you see Mark Zuckerberg in Oasis? Mark Zuckerberg Fitness Timeline from Business Insider. I guess they're doing the work. It's very useful. I guess this happened.

Okay, so the sunscreen photo was also 2021. Oh, yeah. So the makeover was after that. And then, so 20203 is when he's competing in jiu jitzy tournaments. We live truly in hell. And he was at Oasis, but you didn't bump into him. He was there? Yeah.

I heard Leo was there too. I didn't know. He left early. That was a big, like Leo dipped with like 15 people and got into a party bus and left. Do you think he also checked his email during Noel's set like Amanda? One talk tonight would have been fine. Okay.

You know? It kept going. I am a little nervous about this movie. I'm on the record about that. Of course. I'm kind of glad that movies like this are getting made. That's something, I guess it's a sequel, but not really. I mean, it's a dokey drama from a big studio.

I think it's Sony, which made the original, the first film. There's some doubts. I was just wondered if it would pass the Ellison family smell. test at this point. Oh, it's a very good point. Obviously, Sony is a bit inoculated to some of those concerns given their ownership, but they're also

making four Beatles films. Yes. Right. Directed by San Mendez? Yeah. Was we have to hang on to 28? Hang on where? I don't know.

Hang on to what? Yeah, we should do, like, what are the things we're hanging on for, you know? Oh, that's a good draft. Yeah. Like, the next three years draft? Yeah. Like, I want to see Tim Shalameh become

worm king of Iraqis. Right. Spoilers. And then when the final thing happens, we all jump off the Golden Gate Bridge together, arm and arm. But we're wearing parachutes. Yeah. And it turns out we are in Avatar 5 and we have become. So if Avatar, did I tell you that we have confirmed that we will be doing an Avatar the way of water watch along for this show?

You'll be participating in. Yeah. Yeah. So December 1st. Oh, that's what it is? Me and you and Amanda, we will go to the theater here at the show. the Spotify HQ and we will watch the film Avatar the way of water. That's the second one. That's the second one. Now you have a choice. Okay. You can watch the first movie if you want.

Do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Or you can just sit down and experience the story of Avatar. Or third option. I don't want to spoil things for people, but Sean and I had a delightful film going experience last night, which did start with a previously on, starring two characters from the, or two actors from the film. So Jack Sanders could perform previously on Avatar, the original for you. What about option three? I come to this theater and we're an Apple Vision Pro and watch Socario Dave the Soldado while you guys watch Avatar. And then I comment on Sicario Dave the Soldado. Two great sequels.

You know, they have something in common, is what I'll say. Oh, okay. Narratively, they do. Do they? Yeah, in terms of protect. protecting the young children of refugees. Sure. That is a huge theme of both films.

Well, I don't remember either film, it turns out. Did you see Dave the Soldato? Maybe not. That was definitely a Chris and Sean episode, I can assure you. I mean, that I know, but like, did I follow up? It was a rare case where Chris asked me if he could sit in on the conversation with Stefano Salima, the director of Sicario, too. What's wrong with me?

Chris, I think that's the old, no, I guess we did once we did, um, Jake Johnson and Joe Swanberg together in the early days. I can't think of another time when you sat in on an interview on this show. It must be like crazy making for you because I'm just like, hey, Stefano, so how did you get the echoes of automatic weapon fire? I'm happy that you were there. It was a fun pod. Okay, last thing, this is very small by comparison, but there's a new movie called Christy. Yeah.

Starring Sidney Sweeney about the female boxer Christy Martin that just premiered a TIF that got very seemingly loud raves for her performance. in the immediate aftermath of the premiere and then the reviews of the movie hit and they were a little bit more middling but the feedback for the movie has been mostly positive for Sydney Sweeney trailer hit today it's kind of a crowded best actress race this year

I'm Sydney Sweeney nominated for an Academy Award setting aside the sort of subjective taste about the movie that's very good for the Oscars that would be very good for the Oscars for someone like this to be vaulted into that level of respect I've asked you both to watch

the trailer? What did you make of it? It's quite long. I think most of the movie is in the trailer. I wonder whether or not the trailer sells a movie that it is not. So it seems to be a very uplifting story of overcoming adversity. I don't know Christy Martin's actual biography, but I feel like now with fight movies, she's the VP of Finance at Skydance. No matter what the movie, if it's a fight movie, they show it like it's creed. Like they present it as if it's like...

This is something that's going on with the smashing machine right now. As people are seeing the Smashing Machine marketing materials, and I will say that they're not entirely accurate to what the movie is. Right. I don't know. I mean, Sidney was really good in reality. Like, I think she has got... I think she has dramatic chops.

I've said this before. On the anyone but you pod, I was like... Super dumbed to just fucking disassociate. Yeah, totally. Just checked out. Can we get like the slow Altman zoom on Amanda's face while Chris and I talk about Sidney's acting jobs? Can I tell you actually what I was saying?

I think she's actually a serious woman with grace and fine taste. Can I tell you what I was asking? You obviously haven't seen your head up, you know? What I was actually doing while you guys were talking about this was I was thinking through like every single like PR fiasco that Sidney has stepped into in the last three to six months. Like obviously the, you know, Maga birthday party or whatever, but then being at the. The Bezos-Sanchez wedding, the American Eagle stuff. Yeah.

You thought that was a good campaign. Yeah, you liked that. And you also liked the original Brook Shields. The, she's dating Scooter Braun. Don't know if you guys know that. Heard about this, yeah. It's a lot. And what, anyway, you know, we watched the trailer.

She looks fine. This is a classic Oscars move of the hottest person in the world makes themselves dressed down. Less. conventionally hot. I wish that if we were going to give Cindy Sweeney an Oscar, it was for being really, really hot in a, and

using that well in a movie. Yeah, we don't have, no, she wasn't that hot. You know, she has specific gifts. I think she wore glasses in Madam Wood. She did. She did. She's all that situation. It was like, look at this dog. I'm not saying, like, give it to her for anyone but you. That was terrible. And, but I just think she's not that,

she's not a comic actress, but I think she actually is a skilled dramatic actress. I think, in euphoria. She's doing something that the filmmakers are asking her to do, but she's really good at that thing, that, like, frantic mania of that character on that show. And I think she's good in reality. There's one other show. There's one of the film. It's okay to be

hot, especially if you're Sydney Sweeney. I couldn't agree more. And you guys are agreed on this. So let's I think it's okay to be hot too. Yeah. Look at you every day. You get out of bed. You put your glasses on you put a ad on. Look at all this. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this movie.

Sounds fine. Tiff, we will talk about as much as we can with Adam Nevin on Monday, which will be fun. Let me ask you one more thing. Sure. How many more punching people movies can we do as a society? Movies where people get punched in the face. It will never end. Well, no, specifically competitive punching.

People like fight movies. There are a lot of fight fans. It's one of the oldest styles of Hollywood movie around. Don't like, the Wallace Beery wrestling picture. Don't film history, you know. Well, I just think that also like, we have not even, we haven't even begun to get UFC movies. I totally agree with that.

Oh, my lord. Okay. All right. This is the most popular rising sport. Sounds like two Skydance VP is sitting on either side of me. Well, you know, cut the check. You know, I'm, I got ideas. This is a movie about guys punching each other.

Okay, no, parking right next to the lot. It seems convenient. You should be both the executive producer of 60 minutes and run the film division. No, you know what I want to do is buy, like, I'll get a condo right where they're trying to, like, expand the Paramount lot, and then I'll be, like, eminent domain. Like, I will not move. until you make me the editor-in-chief of 60 minutes. Yeah, that's not going to work, I don't think.

Okay, Paul Thomas Anderson. Mm-hmm. So it begins, the month of Paul. So it begins. The month of Paul. Amanda and I have both had a chance to see one battle after another. Chris, you've not yet seen it. One battle after another will not be eligible for this draft.

So we will not be drafting any of the characters. I will say, how many characters without revealing anything, do you think you would be interested in drafting? from that movie. Okay. Two, three, four. Four, at least.

Four, like off the top of my head. Four was my answer as well. It's a good sign. There's some very memorable characters in that movie, as there are in all of his movies. Let's just talk about our histories with the guy. Chris, do you remember the first Paul Thomas Anderson movie that you saw and how you saw it? Yeah, I mean, I think by the time that he was really cranking it,

it was not hardy, it was Boogie Nights. And by the time he had kind of hit mainstream, well, somewhat mainstream cultural consciousness I was like pretty into movies and it was the late 90s and I probably greeted him with like just the like lightest bit of skepticism

because I first get introduced to Boogie Nights and I'm like I really think this is quite great but it is one of the first times I was like I have seen that before like I've seen guys pull some of these moves before and coming right after like the really height of Tarantino mania you know in the mid-90s

so I think that my relationship with him has been pretty uncomplicated over the years I don't think he's capable of making a bad movie every movie he makes stands up to almost endless rewatches he's one of the funniest filmmakers

one of the most technically dazzling filmmakers and I don't have a lot of like I don't have any take there's no zag he's awesome he's one of the best best fucking guys in the world. Yeah. He's,

um, did you always have that relationship to his movies? No, and I would say, so I was trying to think, it was probably Punch Drug Love was the first that I saw because that came out the year that I graduated high school.

Um, and then I'm sure that it's- Did you like it? I think so. Yeah, because again, it's also, that's a good one for me because it has Sandler,

but also is a romantic comedy of sorts. And it's like, And I was at an age where I was like, oh, you can do different things with this interesting, you know? So, yeah, I did like it. And then I assume that boogie nights happened, you know, in college at some point because of, you know, some boy. And this. Probably a cool guy. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that they were all really great.

I can't remember. Does he ordered Skydance? You showed Amanda Boogie Nights. Please, right. I hear from far too many people I went to college. Like, hey, man, can Bill Simmons send me a cameo? Anyway, it's a true story. I don't know when I saw Magnolia yet, but so, whatever,

There Will Be Blood and Inherent Vice was like a very interesting run, right? There Will Be Blood is obviously a masterpiece. Well, the master came in between those two. Oh, that's right. Okay, so that is, but same point. Though not with the exception of Amy Adams, like not a ton of women, women and probably like the bro-yest face of the thing and also corresponded with like a very bro culture moment around him so I think that I don't know what you're referring to I think that I

really um like phantom thread is when like my heart opened up to you know and then and then I think probably I like went back to magnolia and went to other places and was like oh like I really understand this wavelength but there will be bled the matter. master moment. Those are two phenomenal movies. I think you're dead. I think that there is like a little... Something happens when he makes inherent vice. Phantom thread, lookerish pizza.

There feels like a kind of like... You know what? Let's open up the... Much sweeter. These movies are much sweeter. They're much less... They have kind of the same, I think, thematic concern.

You know, like all of his movies have a very similar kind of thematic concern about like the tenseness of relationships and the way that people fit into society and what their roles are supposed to be. But those three movies are, I think, ultimately, about love. And the master in there will be blood are... The master is about love, but it is about a very...

messed up. Yeah. ...painful love. And There Will Be Blood is about hate. You know, it's really about division. I think, obviously, it's very similar to you. I don't think I... I can't remember if I saw Boogie Nights in theaters.

And I can't even remember what I said on the rewatchables a few years ago and we did it. I know that when I saw it, I was like, I have to watch this 100 times. times in a row. And I was not, since I'm a little bit younger than you, I wasn't immediately like, oh, this is Goodfellas or oh, I've seen these moves before. I was like, it kind of shattered my mind. Just shattered my mind. I was like, this is the most exciting thing I've ever seen. That and Pulp are the two movies where I was like, and, you know, unfortunately, I am in some ways an avatar for an entire strain of guy who likes movies who is an annoying guy. I don't think that that changes anything about how special I think his movies are and how much they have impacted people.

And so it's very, it's very cool that we can feel in the atmosphere of moviedom. Like, this is kind of happening this year, it seems like. Sure. And it's, it's a lot of fun in part because we'll talk about it a lot more when we talk about the movie. But the new movie to me feels like this kind of accumulation of both of these two strands that Amanda's talking about. You know, that it's like, it is the movie that he has been kind of working towards that pulls in all that stuff from 96 through 2000, 2012, and then also all that stuff from 2014 through 2023. So I rewatched Magnolia a week ago, and I hadn't seen it since we did a rewatchable's about it. And on that rewatchables, I was kind of like, this movie is really messy and like kind of a, it's not a miss.

But going back to it, I don't feel the same way I did when I was in high school. And then when I watched it last week, I was like, it's one of the best movies ever made. And its ambition is not a bug. Yeah. It is like, it is the feature. And it is like so feeling. And it is a lot of what you've seen in the last couple of movies is all in that movie too. Absolutely.

Which is why I think I must have like gone back. I must not have seen it until later in because it doesn't have the, I rewatching a rewatching Inherent Vice or parts of it for this, because, again, lots of characters in there. And also, you know, we're going to be talking about another, at least inspired by PTA film very soon. And I was essentially, I was pissed off again. And inherent vice. Yeah.

And Inhert Vice, like, famously caused one of the worst fights between me and my now husband that we ever had. But I just really... Was it over Reese Witherspoon or what was it about... No, it was about having to watch the Eagles game straight into this. And I was just like, I would like my Sunday back, you asshole. But it feels... Do you think if you smoked more weed

you would enjoy in her advice more? Or the Eagles? I don't know. Do you think weed would be the drug that... I mean, I understand that weed is like... I mean... Maybe nine light beers. Is it right for me?

You know? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not very good. I do think that that's a movie that has always been near the bottom for my list of PTA's movies, but near the bottom is like, so it's four and a half stars and not five.

It's well made. Everybody's good in it. It's just like once you give up on trying to understand it, it's just like a great hang. You're just like, oh. You're just kind of flowing through it. But I hear you. We all have differing taste.

Do you, have you had any kind of rediscoverys or any ones that you have clicked into more in the last 20 years? I haven't had the kind of moment that you had with Magnolia about any particular movie because I think that, as he became sort of like up and up and around the greatest living filmmaker talk conversation,

each movie feels like an event when you go see it. It's kind of like going to see a Tarantino movie. So I remember going to see the master at midnight and like stumbling out of the arc light at like 2.30 in the morning. Me and you and Papademus. Yeah. And just like staring at you and staring at Alex and then just being like, I just want to go home and think about my dad for a while. You know, and it's like it's just an intense experience to go see his films.

and but then when you go back and sort of check them out in different contexts and outside of that sort of first night mania and tizzy that you're in, there's just so many different emotional shades of them. I think that was the reason fandom thrive was so successful for a lot of people was that those emotional shades immediately revealed themselves. There were people who were like, oh, this is funny. Like, I think it's funny in the moment to watch this film rather than like, oh, what a trenchant, like analysis of that deeply broken relationship.

And then you find out it's funny later. Like, so I think that as he's gotten older, he's gotten almost better at dialing in, like, the desired effect of his films. I don't know. But yeah, I don't have like a film that I, like, disliked and went back and liked. I think the master is the one that's the hardest to watch for a variety of reasons. But I think it's also among his best movies. Saw the master at the Ziegfield Theater in New York with Zach Barron and then had dinner afterwards with Zach, Andy Greenwald, and Chuck Cloucesterman.

So imagine that table. And then one of the Eagles have it. That was inherent advice. Oh, inherent advice. I'm sorry? Wait, wait. And that was the first time I met Chuck. Andy, Chuck, and who else?

And myself. The four of you guys. Yeah. After the master. So I did you talk about the master? Yeah, we did. I think I was mostly just like, uh-huh, uh-huh. I was just like imagine that's the first time you've met Chuck.

Yeah. And you've just seen the master. Yeah. And then you're just like in some, you know, basement restaurant that Andy insisted on walking 10 blocks too. Chuck is also in the cult of Paul He really, he was a huge Paul Thomas Anderson fan It was great, it was really fun, but I just remember

It was an overwhelming night Yeah, I mean all these movies are good I saw one bad off another and then I immediately went and saw it again To your point about rewatchability I'll probably see you in theaters four or five times It's there it's not that they're like these Densely Packed Info You know philosophical mind fucks either

They're not those kinds of movies They're not Nolan-esque you know they're not like Kubrick movies where you're like what does it all mean like it's not they're not mysterious in that specific way with the exception of the master which I think is still kind of like right you can define it in many different kinds of ways what it means and what it's about but they're just they're fun they're just very fun what is uh I was curious without talking about the film itself and getting into any spoilers like what was your reaction to seeing a PTA movie that was actually set in the era that it was made

I thought he achieved it in his own way. Yeah. It's often, it wasn't really a knock, but it was a running piece of commentary about Paul Thomas Anderson movies was that he's somebody who's disinterested in making art about our current moment. And, you know, you could say that's because he doesn't like cell phones

or you could say because lots of different reasons, but it was, I'm fascinated. Yeah. This is the first time since Magnolia? No, since Punch Strung Globe. Punch strung. It's... Yeah, you'll see.

You'll see. It is, like, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a looking at your phone movie. Cool. In a good way. Yeah. But it's also, you know, it's all like PTA world, basically. 100%. You know.

And that was kind of what was fun about this was, you just, like, it's eight different movies to pick from. Nine. Nine. But. Well, Junun to, did you, did you, are you, will you be drafting any of the musicians from Junon? No. No. Okay.

Anima, the Tom York short film. Did you pick any of the Hym sisters from any of the Hymn videos? I would like to. Well, okay. But they're all, you know, and they're set in different places at different times. But they all have a flavor. It's, you know, it's a clubhouse. Yeah, it's all like paper dolls, right?

They're all connected to each other in some way. You can see that. And I was saying to Jack before we were recording this morning, this is not you get good fellows, are you die in this draft? Like, no one's going to lose. No one's going to be like, how could you take that from me? Like, I think there's enough to go around. I wanted to ask you guys before we get into the drafting itself.

And I don't really know if there's an answer to this question. But obviously, we podcast about movies and television a lot and you are referring to the plots. And sometimes you refer to the characters by the character names. And sometimes you will be like, De Niro did that does this or De Niro does that. And so I try in my mind when I'm talking about something element of performance. to do the actor name but if I'm doing plot I'm trying to talk about

the character name but I was always going through all these PTA characters to choose who to draft from it's funny how often I'm like that's Philip Seymour Hoffman it's not a character

and it's like maybe he's a very specific case because of their relationship but that like how often I feel like Paul Thomas Anderson seems to almost find something about the actor

or actress beyond the character like it's I associate Julianne Moore with these people and being in these movies to the extent where I'm like that's what Julianne Moore

was like back then which is a strange phenomenon I don't do that iconography I don't think I don't think Robert De Niro is Jimmy Conway you know like

and when I'm talking about Goodfellas I'm like yes like that's Jimmy Conway and that's Tommy and that's Henry Hill but with these I'm like right and then Adam Sandler does this Right. Well, he does, he uses, like he has a troop, you know? So the same people, the same actors show up in different movies and are like sort of associated with PTA world. So in that sense, you do start thinking about like, I mean, the number of Philip Seymour Hoffman things, characters that we could draft and I probably will. But I think it's natural that in that sense you start grouping him under him. Yeah. Yeah. I think part of it is that he has.

gotten the best work out of people's careers out of a handful of his favorites, right? John C. Riley, Julianne Moore, Phil Hoffman, all of those people who pop up in three, four, five movies, William H. Macy, like, he's great at that. He's also really good at, and this can be an entree into the categories, but the kind of, like, one scene, you know,

contained space with a character we haven't seen yet in the movie who takes over the movie. for five minutes or ten minutes. And he obviously writes a lot of ensemble movies. He writes a lot of movies where people are kind of moving around a lot of places and going to new spaces and you're discovering things in real time. They're not like plot engines, his movies. You know, they're really more kind of more journey-like. And so you just get a ton of people introduced to you all the time.

And some of them are very famous actors. And some of them are actors you haven't seen in 30 years. And some of them are people you don't think of as actors at all. You know, I will never forget seeing James Downey, the S&L writer, pop up and, there will be blood and thinking like I don't think I've seen this guy in a movie

except for Billy Madison when he was hosting the trivia contest at the end of the movie that's the only James Downey performance I could think of when I saw the movie

and he just has a tendency to kind of like pluck people that he thinks are interesting there's plenty of that in the new movie too so yeah he's got a robust bench for sure

categories do you feel that I navigated this correctly? Have we ever done a character drop before? No. No. We have done drafts of actors' careers and director's careers, I think. Will our next character draft be skydance characters?

Yep. We did Tom Cruise. That'll be a live event, though, on Larry Ellison's Island. Do we do? Yeah. We did Clooney and Pitt. Denzel, Cluny and Pitt. Have we done directors? Maybe not. I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Maybe not. We never did a Marty draft? We were maybe going to, but did we do a Marty draft? Jack. Documentary's coming. Yeah. I know. I've watched two-fifths of it. Crack. I don't think so, Amanda.

Okay. Martin's Scorsese draft. It's a big picture. Yeah. I felt like it was on the schedule at some point, but... Got something I can share with you guys about that off, Mike. Okay. Sorry, everybody. About the draft or about Martin Scorsese. Just about Martin Scorsese. Oh, great.

I know I got to watch it, but I have to see like 45 movies. It's a busy time So category-wise Yeah Leading actor Leading actress Supporting actor Supporting actress

Twist One Scene star Mega twist Oh I forgot to prep Needle drop Oh shit Okay well Needle drop

I can do it I'm just I have to do it right now though And then Wildcard That's seven categories I had a twist for wild card That I would just like to present right here Because sometimes we get to wild card

and it's like, I will also pick something cool. Yeah. What about PTA character you would most like to be in a committed relationship with? Okay. Easy. That's funny. Super easy.

Okay. Now, will you draft to kind of take characters away? I'm just saying. It's interesting to consider. Yeah. I can think of a few. I can think of a few. Yeah.

Do you need five minutes for needle drop? No, I mean, you know, if you guys are nice, then it's fine. probably not nice so I'll just There's so many I know exactly I know but like There are multiple listicles

that are like here are the 20 best PTA needle drops I know but I don't like to do it like that you know she likes to just know yeah tell you what we'll stop down you go back

watch all nine movies again we'll wait here Chris and I'll sit here we'll catch up we haven't seen each other too much recently okay we'll talk about the tomorrow war

yep we'll revisit the tomorrow war record a live a live YouTube pod where you watch tomorrow war uh huh oh yeah You come back.

You say, I love all the needle drops in the master. Here are my favorites. Okay. You want a draft? Yeah, let's draft. Any other stray thoughts? No. I don't think so.

I was kind of looming over your shoulder here right behind you, just so you know. Okay, which, um... Oh, that's okay. That's a nice photo. Good job, Paul. Wow. Jack, we have to set the draft order. Bill just asked if I would trade Drake May for two a tago viola in our...

what? Wait, he wants Tua? Yeah. No, he wants to trade me Tua for Drake. I mean, Chris, under no circumstance can you do that? I know that. But I'm also just like, I didn't draft Drake. He's not my guy. You should say yes, if we can do Sicario next week. Oh, that's great. Ooh, that's good. This is exciting. Things happening in real time. I would be willing to let Bill have Drake.

you know, we don't know with Drake May. We don't, based on what we saw last week, he may not be it. Tate picked him first for content. How are you feeling about your team? Well, it depends on whether

AJ Brown ever gets any targets again. But, you gotta talk to Jalen Hurts about that. Yeah. It's a tough one. Yeah. He'll be fine. He's going to catch 80 balls for 1,200 yards. I need the kid from the commanders

to be consistently awesome. The kid from the commanders? Oh, Bill. Bill. Yeah, sure. Bill. He scored a touchdown. week one. He did. He had 82 yards, but I just, now I'm like, I made a GM decision with him,

starting him to play well. Jerry Judy's on the bench. My team sucks. But my two best players might be on the Jets. So that's been exciting thus far. Bruce Hall is back. How are you feeling? You feel caught up now? We did a little fantasy football talk. Sort of. I wasn't really listening to that. I was Googling things. And then I found a very funny tweet about a one battle after another needle drop that, but you know, whatever. Can't take those. I know. I know. I know, I understand. Can't take those. I think I'll be okay.

It's all Chapel Rhone, one battle after another. It's 15 Chapel Rhone songs. I really am working through Emerald Fennell doing like all Charlie XX for Wuthering Heights. Yeah. I mean, I hope Charlie got a lot of money. It's been so fun to watch everything kind of come back on Amanda. Right. You know, like first they came for my beloved IP and remade it with Devil Wear's product.

And she was like, ha-ha, you guys have to watch all these bad Star Wars movies. Now it's like pained romantic period pieces. I mean, like I said, I'm not a Bronte gal. I'm much more concerned about the Sense and Sensibility remake and then and the Pride and Prejudice series. I think it'll be okay. Okay. Anyway, your boy Jack Loden, Mr. Darcy. He's the best.

But they had to use body doubles because their kid arrived and so he's on parental leave. Oh, wow. Body doubles where? Like on set to finish up shots? I don't know. You go on parental leave in the middle of a film? Well, they had a baby. I think it was at the end.

I don't know. He doesn't work in tech. What does that mean? He's a fucking actor. Okay. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve parental leave. I'm just saying like he's on camera. Yeah.

This is according to the Daily Mail. And in the UK, they do have much better parental leave than we have here. I think you should. I'm going to take three. I know. It expired. I know. I'm still going to take it.

I'm going to take six months of parental leave just because I have a four-year-old. I need parental leave. Sorry, guys. Do you think that would be okay? I'm going to trade Drake Bay for Tua and. and your parental leave, and then I'm going to take your parental leave. If that's all you get out of this trade,

then that's not enough. Okay. You need to get, you need to get Sicario and what else? If you could do a rewatchable on any Paul Thomas Anderson movie, what would you do? Obviously, we've done a handful.

I think the expectation is eventually we'll do all of them, right? I honestly don't even know if Bill is seen in her advice. I know he really likes Phantom Thread and Lickrish Pizza. Phantom thread would be my pick, obviously. good pick I would

that's a very rewatchable movie with many great scenes I just think that the mastery rewatchables would be the funniest thing we could possibly it's my number one pick

it is probably my current number one yeah well yeah but pig fuck but here's the thing is that it can't be all three of you

it either has to be you and bill or it has to be you and bill or it has to be him and bill no it has to be him and then no bill

and that would be funny too but it has to be two men enter a room I think it should be Van and Kyle Rent.

I would love that, honestly. I don't know if I could love something more than Van and Cobbren talking for two hours. Have they done Casablanca yet? No. Yeah, that's not going to sad. It's too bad. Okay. So we've got our categories.

We've got to get draft order. Jack Sanders, you ready? Yeah, just really quickly before we set the draft order, I can't stop thinking about Amanda suggesting, Amanda suggesting me reenacting all of Avatar to CR, and there is nothing that would bring me more joy than not telling him anything showing up to the studio, painting my full body glue, getting some costume design, and acting it out. Look, this is your big opportunity. Draft order time.

Oh, right. We have the weird... Dungeons and Dragons. Cube. Selecting first, Amanda Dobbins. Wow. Wow. Okay.

Stress, stress. Selecting second. CR, Sean, third. Okay. Okay. Wow. Okay, draft time. Amanda has the very first overall pick, and I don't know what you're going to do.

There's no bad choices. There's no bad choices, but I think I have some clarity about what's probably the most shared between the three of us, and watch me be incredibly wrong. But I am going to, in supporting actor, take Frank T.J. Mackey. AKA Tom Cruise from Magnolia. Interesting. Now, I was actually going to ask, Yes. Is this a lead or not?

Magnolia is so hard because it's like 15 supporting characters, but also 15 leads, you know, because those characters are so deep. Was their discussion about, did he get nominated for this? He did. And for supporting actor or actor? Supporting.

Yeah. Okay. I would still consider him lead actor in this. Oh, interesting. So I wrote down lead as well, but I definitely would let you take him in supporting. Yes. I think that I have everyone in Mexico.

Mulya in supporting. At supporting? Yeah. I don't. Have everyone else. Oh, and you have him. Oh, I don't. Because it's such a giant performance.

Yeah, it's like he headlines the movie. I mean, he does, but he's... I think he's the kind of the fulcrum of the movie. In some ways, but he is like one of a web of people. Anyway. Did you notice that a character, an actress who interacts with him in that movie? is in one battle after another? No.

Okay, we'll talk about it afterwards. But I have only seen it at the once, so that's fine. Anyway, this is one of his best performances, his most against tape performance. And I would imagine in the moment felt like, oh, this is like really what, you know, Tom Cruise can do. And it starts off he does Magnolia,

then he does eyes by shut, he works with Spielberg, you know, he's really in a cool zone. and eventually the wheels come off but there's like a lot of potential in this performance in addition to him just being absolutely psychotic and insane

and the best way and it does like it is a performance but you're like it sort of helps understand Tom Cruise it's like oh this is why you're so weird like there is this is a little bit of a skeleton key yeah there's something going on here with you

so I always loved that he agreed to do this because you can feel PTA writing into Tom Cruise's oddity. His unusual weird cocksucker. It's like such a weird thing

to come out of his mouth, but then like the whole thing is like that's what you used to call me and like, you know. The scene where he breaks down in front of his father is obviously the one that is the most cited in terms of like the greatness of his performance and how he kind of choreographed a lot of that and

PTA always gives some credit for that. But to me, rewatching the movie last week, it's the scene when he's being interviewed and when the interviewer reveals to him that she knows the truth about his parents and his mom and that she's died. And Cruz doesn't say a lot, but the camera is holding on him and his wheels are turning so hard and he's so mad and so sad. Very special. It might be his best performance. I mean, it's definitely up there. Yeah. It's like his best like capital A acting performance, you know? Then there are some Tom Cruise like serendipitous moments. Sure. Yeah.

Okay. That's a very good pick. Okay. Chris, you have a pick. I will take Daniel Day-Lewis and there will be blood as Daniel Plain View. And I was, you know, there are many Daniel DeLews performances, or at least two, that you could think of for this character draft. But I was trying to put myself back in the mindset of seeing this for the first time, you know?

And I think that this marked a sort of. change in the road for DDL where it was like he's only going to act every couple of years and when he does he is going to be like a storm cloud arriving over your head and you know just complete force of nature he was that before but

much more like kind of tactile like you could reach out and touch him and this he just feels like you're watching you know like a god or something behave in front of you and I just remember just like feeling like I had never seen a performance like this before I don't really know

if I've ever seen one since. The immediacy with which, like, the ticks of this performance and the lines that the character delivers and the way he behaves and the way he moves and the way he stands next to his kid and the way he digs for oil have all been, like, ingrained in my memory is pretty distinctive among, like, I think,

most acting performances that I've ever seen. So it's a, it's great to get him, number one. I mean, this is who I was coming. Number two. But, yeah. My first pick, yeah. It's funny that he's back in the media right now. We have not heard a word from Daniel DeLewis in seven years since Phantom Thread.

He has not appeared in a movie. He will be in a movie that opens in three weeks. He's been walking around the West Village, though. But you haven't been speaking to him. No. Has anyone been speaking to him? Is he on like a side talk about the Knicks? If you found yourself in line with Daniel,

Louis at Joe's pizza, would you be like... No, never. Hand me the red pepper? I don't like to... Oh, I'd be like, excuse me, I need this if I needed something. But like, no, I wouldn't be like, hey man, I'm such a fan. Can we have a selfie? I would very quietly saunter up beside him, put my arm around his shoulder.

But very gently, softly. And I would start whispering singing Danny Boy into his ear. Do you think he would receive that well? Yeah, I think that would go very well. I think that would go great. Yeah, I think he'd be like, this is what I do it for. Please, feel free to come on the big picture, Daniel. he's in a new movie anemone

directed by his son which comes out in three weeks so he's back and he said that he didn't mean to retire twice yes yeah

which is something I hope to be able to say at some point in my life you know he talked in Rolling Stone I think about he did an interview

with Rolling Stone where he talks about like oh I wish I hadn't made a big deal about retiring I just could have gone and done under stuff but he mentions

that like it was like the stuff around phantom thread that ushered on that quote-unquote retirement. And I just, what do you think it is about like that experience

that is it because people were taking pictures of him getting ready to go on set in London and there was all that like sort of I'm not sure. I mean, I think it gets the impression that he really pours

yeah, and it's harder for him to get it. He kind of goes into it and then it's hard to get out of it and that, I don't know, seems to be interested in his family life. Yeah,

and he's inevitably nominated for an Oscar. So then it's the award thing of it all, which they need to promote the movie. So it's, I mean, it seems like a lot of work. And he's, you know, he likes making shoes. Maybe he's just, he knows he's never going to top

the Charlie Rose interview with Paul Thomas Anderson. He gives you this script and you say what. Okay. Arguably the performance of the 21st century, in my opinion. As great as Frank T.J. Mackey's performances. Yeah. Well, that was 1999. Good point. Yeah. There you go.

The two greatest male performance of the last two centuries have been selected in the Paul Thomas Anderson trip we're doing great we're doing so great maybe the third greatest performance would be Philip Seymour Hoffman

is Lancaster Dot and the master I will take him I guess in supporting actor I will say I put him in lead now would you take him the master he was nominated in supporting at the Academy Awards

now I originally placed him in lead and then after I heard you talk about Frank T.J. Mackey I moved into supporting so what's the move? Well I think that we can make our own decisions. Okay. They have not let us

into the academy yet. And we also don't always agree with their category assignments. Do you think you'll get into the academy before you does?

No, I don't. You think you will knock you, they will never add a podcaster's branch. I really don't. But once she starts making OdysseyR updates.

Yeah. Right. Right. As a documentary. Right. Yeah. Okay. You can get into

the nonfiction branch. Yes. As Chris's personal cinematographer. The most open-hearted and you know and pop branch of the academy

definitely let's go right in what do you think there will ever be a jam tasters branch for all the jam session fans out there

it was just business reporting okay and I followed through okay maybe another branch you could get into I think that there will be a podcaster's branch

one day okay well that's depressing honestly I think that the Phillips Seymour Hoffman and the master is like a much

more central you know that's about two guys it's a two obviously there are other people, but it's a two-hander. There's a mermaid sandcastle. She figures prominently in the film.

Sure. But, you know. A couple of coconuts. Definitely. Yeah, yeah. But Magnolia's ensemble, and that has two leads, which is what I feel like the hooch is really the star of the master. Well, that's fine.

I actually, I have some questions later on about what's eligible as the definition of a character, but we'll get there. Intriguing. Interesting. Philip Seymour Hoffman, the late great. I think you could take it in either one, I would say it's a two, I would probably if I was going back and watching, I don't know how much we see Philip Seymour Hoffman without Joaquin Phoenix's character being present. A few times. I mean, there are the scenes with Amy Adams alone where they're talking about him.

They have dinner at one point without him and talk about it. You know, he famously is furiously masturbated. She cranks it. It's good. Freddie Quill is not in the room during that scene. We don't think. We don't think. You can see most of the room

because there's a mirror It's a small bathroom You know I guess I don't know If he's hiding behind the shower curtain There's definitely a reading of the movie That those two characters are the same person Yeah

They're the two strains of masculinity Right like the searching mind and the beast Right Jesus Christ Would you like This is what I bring to the table I just want to do this is my thing Yeah

I can't believe Bill doesn't want to talk about Amy Adams of all people cranking Philip Seymour Hoffman and then you could talk about the man in the beast. We don't know that he doesn't. Yeah. He might want to. If you give him Drake May maybe he'll give it to us. Can we bundle? Can we get a package

of Sicario and the master together? So definitely Lancaster Dodd, which is... Okay, but did you decide category? I would like to have him in lead if that's achievable. So thank you for your... I accept that. Thank you for your comfort. We've taken three men at the top

of this draft. What do you make of that? What do you think it says? about the work. Right. Yeah. Well, I'll start by taking a woman now. Oh, no. And the leading actress.

I'll be taking Vicky Crapes. Yeah. I wonder if I should. In Phantom Thread. Which, I don't know if it's the best female acting performance in one of his films, but I think it is his most wonderful female creation up until the new movie. Yeah. And she is remarkable in this movie.

To me, a total discovery I'd never seen her before. The fact that she, a younger and less experienced actress, is toe to toe with Daniel DeLewis in Phantom Threat is Reynolds Woodcock is amazing and the fact that she generates the power

that she does in that movie the movie really hinges on her does not hinge on him and not just her performance but the way that that character is written and the way that the story is structured is beautiful

and she's really great and she's like another person who he kind of like vaulted to a very cool career in Hollywood so she will be my leading actress that's a good one

So I pick second here. I got my second pick, rather. How do you feel about that category, the leading actress category? Well, I think this will be where probably there's some maybe disagreement, because I'll pick my leading actress right here. And I was going to take Julianne Moore as Linda Partridge. I have her in supporting. I have her written down as leading actress.

And I have her, I mean, that's... Don't call me supporting. Yeah. How about that? Don't call me lady. I'm coming here. same way that Tom Cruise, I think, is sort of like one big poll.

I think that her character to me, at least in my last viewing of Magnolia, which probably isn't honestly much after the rewatchables, I just remember her as being, I know that there are other characters, but I just remember her being like this huge sort of fulcrum of the movie. So I had

her in leading actress. I don't know if the jury will accept that. I'm fine with it. I have her literally... I had her in supporting, but I don't. That's fine. I have her list of this leading leading actress. I think she has the most prominent female role in that movie. Give or take Malora

Walters and we can talk about that too. I think she has the most the sequence with the lawyer, the doctor, and the pharmacist. Right. Those are three of the ten most memorable sequences

in the movie. Plus she gets part of the sing-along. Yep. Yeah. So I accept. It's fine. That's what I'll do then. Okay. So lead actress.

Yeah. Okay. It's running thin now. Julianne Moore, is that even her best performance in a PTA movie? It's up for debate. Yeah. Would you... Well, that's kind of...

That's such a bummer to take the other one. But you can. It's your turn, necessarily. No, no, no, no. I just met, like, you know, emotionally. Okay. Are you my mom? Can you be my mom?

Yes. Stark. I rewatched all the child custody of stuff, too, and I was like, I mean, it's a great performance, but this is a bummer. Less of a bummer, but back to, this is definitively supporting actress, but, you know, the women, they're thinner on the ground. So I will take Cyril Woodcock,

aka Leslie Manville in Phantom's Red. That's a great pick. Good one. Who says very little and controls everything, and is, this movie rules is so funny. And, and balances out both the, the Alma performance, the Vicky Crips performance, and then, and gives room for DDL to just. But, like, has gravity against him, which is hard. That famous moment where she's like, I'll go right through you, you know, don't come for me. There's like a couple of different ways to go, you know, like we've seen over the course of the two DDL movies that Paul Thomas Anderson made, but you could either try to get as loud as him or you can like, you can zero in.

and it's interesting to watch her kind of she does the ladder and she's like I'm just going to be still and like command you in that scene in particular you know he doesn't cut away back to Reynolds he stays on Cyril

the whole time and her like she doesn't and she doesn't look at him she's holding the teacup and she's sipping the tea and she's like very quietly like this and she's saying she's speaking but she's not even she's like we've done this before we've had this fight before and you know not to fuck with me because if you fuck with me

this whole thing falls apart. Great pick. And then in needle drop I will take, let me roll it from licorice pizza. Great. Which set my heart on fire the first time I saw it

and is still excellent. Best part of the movie. Yeah. There we go. Liquorish pizza, a lot of haters out there. Yeah. Can't say I get it.

Age gap deniers. Meaning that they think that it doesn't exist. Where did I make it? You already like tried to put Jack on the age gap. Jack thought there should be more age gap It should be a wider guy

That is correct Much older guy said Yeah It was really more like It should be like 70 and 18 Yeah like Bob Buker Yeah Yeah

I still think liquor pizza is great It's a totally different kind of a movie From a lot of these movies But it's so great What's interesting now I rewatched it Since seeing one battle after another And now that we have one battle

After another and it's big and it's major. I'm sorry, we're not going to spoil it, but it's just like this, it's an event. I felt like a lot more warmth and enjoyment for licorice pizza that it could just be what it is. Yeah. If that makes any sense.

It reminds me a lot of punch drunk love. Yeah. Where when it came with people were like, this, from the guy capable of that, but then when you remove it from that anticipation and you accept it on its own terms, it's phenomenal. It's like his tenet. Sure, definitely.

It's just like his tenet. Just as scruitable as his tenant as well. But it's like, tenant was like, oh, wait, this was going to save us all. Yeah. And it didn't. But then when you go back, you're like, this is the best movie ever made. Okay. You have one more pick.

No, I just did too. I did. You have no more picks. You know, Chris has a pick. Yeah. I always do that. What happened? Even we have this beautiful board up here now, too, and I still can't do it correctly.

I'm sorry. Well, it's the, the color coding is ingenious, but also. My head hurts. You have to constant. I just can't see. I'm blind. Okay. Are you wearing your contacts? I am. We got to talk about upgrading your contacts.

Imagine if I wasn't wearing my contacts right now. I wouldn't be able to make it out the door. I know, but there's nothing compared to if I weren't wearing my contacts. Yeah, yours is worse than mine, yeah. In supporting actor, I'm going to take Josh Brolin as Bigfoot Bjornson. Yeah. Inherit advice. Big time CR pick.

When I was rewatching this to try to pick up what I could, fast-forwarding through, I was This is Elite Rowland. I was like, should I do this? Yeah. I don't know. He's very, very, very, very funny as a pretty racist cop in this movie. Yeah. I think he's the best part of the movie.

No Cello Drive for Bigfoot is the funny. I think that's the funniest line in the whole movie where his whole intention is to just be a super famous cop. And everything that he's doing is in an effort to get that. Yeah. But he's such a dickhead. Yes. But of course, no one's willing to give him anything. He's so funny.

Just a great haircut. I mean, Brolin really is the, you know, really, really adept at fitting into these larger ensembles and has probably at this point of his career, he's maybe a little bit bigger than this. But, like, I feel like he would just be like, yeah, I'll just be, I'll be in the movie for six minutes. What's his comp as a movie star? Like, I can't think of another person who is so comfortable doing that part, which is, like, the third supporting character in that movie, but also be the star of no country, but also be the third supporting. character in weapons. Like, he's such a... Was he Thanos?

He was Thanos? Yeah. I can't quite put my finger on. It's a good thought exercise. Did you guys read Zach's Glenn Powell interview? Which was very exciting. Well, I just...

It's a great piece about Glenn Powell, but Josh Brolin steals the show as a secondary. Just incredible stuff. I can't remember what were they making? Or they were making something at the same time in the same town or something. Yeah, I don't know. And Brolin goes up to Glenn Powell

And, like, when they, like, the first day they meet me, he goes, are you a bro? No, he's like, the witness test for people or is, are you a bro or not? Yeah. And is it good to be a bro or bad? Yes. Or are you going to make it all about, like, the fame and the bullshit or are you about the work? But I think, but then there are definitely some more quotes about weightlifting or, or, like, putting on or training or something. Yeah, no, no, no, but Brolin comes back.

Oh, yeah. Brolin has a lot. It's really, really good. So shout out to both of them I would like to once again recommend the Josh Bolin episode of WTF In which they talk about Zinn for the first 12 minutes

Off brand Dubai Zinn Yeah and the insane heart palpitations That are created by leaving them in overnight It's some of the best content you'll ever find He's very special Good pick. Good picks, ER Thanks. Thanks Okay, I've got lead actor and lead actress

I'm going to look around at supporting performances I think I know where I'm going. I think I know where I'm going in both of them. In supporting male performance, I'll be selecting John C. Riley as Reed Rothschild. Oh. Which is one of the funniest performances. Now, some would say maybe you should take Burt Reynolds.

I would say no. I like Jack Horner. Yeah. I think he's great. I think what Bert Reynolds's fame represents is very powerful for that movie. to me Reed Rothschild is the pick

John C. Riley I went to see this movie on Sunday night and Monday night John C. Riley was there both nights to go see you. I saw him Sunday night as well one battle after another you mean? Yes.

Oh wow. And that's fucking cool. That's like when you direct your 10th film I'll show up to the premiere and to your interview with Steven Spielberg. Which is Steven Spielberg

just doing the last time on. Yes, exactly. But for the entire audience. It was very cute. Illustrious footsteps you're following in, Jack. John C. Reade and Dirk meeting for the first time at Jack's party is what it was like when Sierra and I met for the first time when we talked about weightlifting and we talked

about, I said people say, I remind them of Han Solo and I made him a margarita and you said it was the best marguerite you'd ever had. And we were friends forever. It's the same relationship. To Wolf Farrell and John C. Riley meeting in stepbrothers unintentionally or intentionally? It's just the best. Did we just become best friends? Yeah, literally.

I feel great about that pick. I love Reed. Okay. Supporting actress. You know what? I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna pivot. No. How many Boogie Nights characters?

is too many is a question. Don't you do it. Should there be variance? Are you going to do it? What am I going to do? Well, if you're doing supporting actress Boogie Nights. Well, I've got two thoughts. Okay.

I don't want to, is it wrong to reveal the thoughts? They're both Boogie Nights thoughts. You're going to be able to pick, so go ahead. Well, I'll take Roller Girl. Fuck off. Yeah. I can't believe I got myself into this jam, you know? Delete.

I could have just done this earlier. Nobody was going to take Bjornson. Well, there are literally three other characters in Buggy Nights that I want to be able to draft. Obviously, won't be able to because I don't even have that many picks left. But the one scene star... You could be in a committed relationship with... Should you be saving this for Wildcard? It was never going to get that far.

Oh, that's right. That's true. It was never going to get that far. But you could take it right now in Wildcard. There are many other complicated women that Paul Thomas Anderson has put on screen that I will happily consummate my love with. You could... It doesn't have... You can take it now. And Wildcard.

No, but this weakens the supporting actress pool. Like, it weakens pretty prominently. This is Heather Graham's best performance. And you may want to run for president someday, so you don't want to pick Heather Graham's roller girl as the woman you'd wish you could be in a committed relationship with. No, I need to pick an adult woman, like Laura Dern as Helen Sullivan and the master. That's like, that'll be who I'm in a relationship with.

It's like, I drafted a 48-year-old woman who's responsible. I govern from the center. Well, I've told the story before. There was a Details Magazine cover featuring Heather Graham in all in gold, wearing roller skates nude on the cover, which it was a trifold cover, I think. It might have been a bifold. Ripped that cover right off, put it on my wall when I was a teenage boy. Yeah. Heather Graham changed all of us.

Because you love photography. I love acting. You know, I love performance. I love the art of movie making. And, yeah, Roller Girl, I think, kind of set the template for a certain kind of movie love. And her performance is really good because she does have this journey in the movie. Where she starts out as this, like, fairly innocent-seeming young porn star and eventually becomes yet another victim of the awful nature of that world and that time. And it kind of like strikes back and needs to defend herself, but then also gets caught in the throes of addiction.

and it's just a really good use of Heather Graham's skills. And, you know, we were talking about Sidney earlier. Yeah. And they have a very similar, I think they're going to have very similar trajectories. Heather Graham? You think Sydney is going to have Heather Graham's career? I think that they're confronted by the same problems in terms of how they're cast.

You know, like you have to fight to not get typecast if you want to be taken seriously as an actor if you are someone like Heather Graham or Sydney Sweeney. Right. And, you know, like Heather Graham got her start in Drugs for Cowboy. That's true. You know, like she started out as a very serious actor. That's true. But she's also incredibly beautiful.

And so inevitably, at first, it's played for gags in Austin Powers, too. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you're in the hangover, breastfeeding a child on screen. And then that's who everybody thinks you are in movies, you know? It's tough. It's hard out here. Yeah, you get typecast. Yeah.

Happy to get Heather Graham. Excuse me. Thank you. Okay, Chris. I got Roller Girl and Reed Rothschild. all right so i got lead actor i got lead actress in a controversial move i have supporting actor it's okay freddy quell is on the board for you for wildcard what's that freddy quell right from the master but i would have to be in a committed relationship with him that's my point right well

he might not be able to commit to you but you could commit to him i think that i will have a little bit of fun here and take from my one scene wonder, Philip Seymour Hoffman is the Mattress Man and Punch Drunk Love. I think that's a number one overall pick, I think. I've got a couple ideas, but it's pretty good. I don't really even know what to say about this.

Shut the fuck up. You know, like, it's just really one of my, one of those, like, this movie leaves planet Earth when that happens and you're just like, anything could happen for the rest of this film, I would believe it. He's in two scenes, I think technically in this film. but the phone is the really, the main one. Yes.

Great phone acting. Really, really good phone acting. I wonder, they must have done that conversation, like, for real. I wonder. That's a good question. Yeah, it's amazing. There are some bonus materials on the Blu-ray that feature the Mattress Man commercial that I think people should check out.

I think it's on YouTube as well. There is some cutting room store, cutting room floor stuff with Hoffman. But, yeah, shut, shut, shut, shut, shut is the best. Okay, Dobbins, you got two picks. Okay, I have two. In lead actor, I'm going to take Reynolds Woodcock, which, you know, you guys. I mean, maybe you want to be in a committed relationship with him. I mean, close would be nice.

It seems dangerous. I could go back and forth on it. A lot of poison involved there. Yeah, but you wouldn't have to be taking it in that. Just even just dealing with it. It's like, you accidentally licked my fingers one day. This is the funniest. and most memorable and like instantly

quotable of all the characters and performance is so, so funny and useful in everyday life. You know, I really do feel like if either I am displaying Reynolds Woodcock-esque energy or my partner is or you are or, you know, my podcast partner, I guess. When would I be exhibiting Reynolds Woodcock energy? I rewatched the asparagus scene. this morning, which is...

Do you have a gun? Are you a special agent sent here to ruin my evening? I mean, it's really, really so good. But also, the breakfast scene, the first one with the pre-alma, and the I cannot begin my day with a confrontation, please. But I love the order,

the ordering breakfast and then meeting and her noticing him and him noticing her back and that scene is magic. And the scene is magic. And the scene when he's fitting her, that is, you know, essentially the sex scene. But so is the eating scene. Then the first breakfast when she's spreading the toast and the sound mix is just so it's like so, so loud. It's, I mean, this is my favorite PTA movie.

I really love it. So I'm very happy to have that. And then I also have lead actress, but. Wait, I don't understand. You took Tom Cruise's Frank T.J. Mackey and lead actor. So you take him? No, I'm taking, I took him in supporting. Oh, you took him in supporting.

Yeah. Okay. Because to me, Magnolia is all supporting performances. And maybe I think we can all draft according to, you know. Personal preferences. So I do need a lead actress. But. I'm going to pass on that because you don't care for women.

Well, you guys already have your lead actresses. So I think that I'm probably okay. But I need a supporting. So this is going to get tight. He needs a supporting and I need a woman to spend the rest of my life with. This is the other than I asked to ask is Chris. It's fine. I still have a couple options.

because I see the work of women everywhere, you know, and I can honor them. So it's fine. I have a robust list. I just want to say, not on my board for spending me with UNESCO sites. Do you honor? He's honoring them. Um, not on my board for spending the rest of my life with Disaquint of Paltrow's Clementine in heart eight. No, same.

Not a contender. So let me, just for interest, let me bring this to the board. Okay. In one scene. And this is a, this is a, I guess, like a parliamentary question, but also perhaps an existential question. You always do this, and then you make us make a tough choice and then it kind of sours the mood. No, no, this is not.

This is a, you might have to explore something about yourself that you don't want to. Oh. But yeah, this is about... Intoxicating. What a product. So this is for one scene. Yes. Does Dirk Diggler's penis count as its own character?

Discuss. Well, you know, I can't... I mean... It's a great, great thought. It's an amazing. what I'm saying? Yes. And you too have experience with, you know, so you can decide whether... Chris also

has a giant copy. Well, yeah, there is the prosthetic part of it, but also just like as a, is that a separate, is that a separate entity? It is doing its own work in the film, in the context of the story. Wait, sorry, this was for supporting it. What is this for? No, this is for one scene? One scene. I love it. I love what you're doing. Supporting actor, I actually would be pretty into.

Right. Exactly. See, this is for supporting it. is what I'm saying. Either one, but like, it's a separate... I fully approve and I think it's a great idea. It's great to see you iterating now that we're on draft 410. Thanks so much. So, okay, so it can be... I'm so glad it's not like, oh, well, they were actually in four scenes, but that's what

I thought you were going to hit us with. And instead, you gave us a scene with one key figure in one scene. The movie is built around it, thematically and structurally. Yes. Pun probably intended. And I just, I think, but it's not Dirk Diggler. It is specifically his penis. So we're counting that as a separate character.

That dick is like Harry Lyme and the third man. Where for an hour, all we hear about is like, this guy, this guy, this guy, and we're waiting for him to show up. And we're waiting for Dirk because, you know, the colonel gets to see what Dirk is working with. Yes. Jack gets to see what Dirk is working with. Roller Girl gets to see. But we do not until the very end.

Okay, great. I'm so pleased. Nice job. Thanks. Thanks very much. Great pick. So I have to do supporting actors. here. There's now kind of versus some earlier logic, but I'll do Amy Adams

from the master here. You can argue that she is the female lead, but I would say the lead I had her in supporting. I had her in lead. It's like a kind of activism that's just not really helping us in the end.

A kind of activism. Yeah, you're just like trying to put all these women in lead and it's fine. These movies are about men. These are mostly supporting parts. Wow. So you're saying So would you say

Alana Ham is not the lead actress? No, I do think that she is late because it's about the two of them. So my point of view on the female characters of Paul Thomas Anderson to you is utter woke nonsense is what you're saying.

I'm just like, you think you think you're helping but you're not. Right. Trust me. I'm helping every day. It's like a form of a caregiver that's keeping us down. It's like donating to Klobuchar. You know, it's like just keep the money, man.

Minnesota is not your problem I can assure you I was never ensnared in that trap Okay, so you selected Amy Adams as Peggy Dodd Yes, the crankmaster Yeah One cranker

Yeah, we've moved on to the dick portion Of the podcast I can't believe it took Round 5 I'm great performance Yeah Who was it supposed to be It wasn't supposed to be

It wasn't supposed to be Because it was supposed to be Jeremy Renner as Freddie Quill And Marion Cotiar No The Master That's what we would like You know

It's always like I think I was supposed to be Marion Cotiar Yeah That would have been a little bit confusing I think I got you hold on It was Reese Witherspoon

That's what it was And that's That would have been better You think so? I do So here's the thing And she shows up Inher advice in part

Because they wanted To do something in the other I love Reese. I know you do. And I love her films. I don't think she fits in inherent vice. I love the part when it's revealed that she is also a stoner and they're like hanging out. And that's the real her.

I think the thing is she is Peggy Dod to me in real life. Like this is what I think she's like. Okay. She's like a power driving. See, I think she's Lancaster Dodd. Yeah. I think she's like, fair. We are pushing into the AI future.

And I will be. I'm getting on the lifeboat. Are they? Is her organization really into AI? She's pretty fired up about AI. Oh, Greece. I mean, that company is not making money, so they got to pay for something. The Ringer does a really cool college football podcast called Ringer Tailgate. And the first after the first North Carolina game, Van and Joel were talking about what's wrong with Bill Belichick.

And Van was like, he doesn't have any pep because his pep is being drained on a nightly basis. And I immediately thought Peggy Dodd. You saw Peggy Dodd's face? Drinking Lancaster's pet. That's a good meme for you to make. Yeah. It's the shot of Amy Adams

looking in the mirror and superimposed as Bill Belichick's face over. That wouldn't be weird. Yeah. What if that was my first tweet in six years? Just jump in. Hey, guys, missed what's,

I don't know what you guys are talking about today. I've missed a lot on Twitter in that time. A lot's been going on. Yeah. I'm good. A lot of news. He has been following the news. Okay, Sierra, that was a good pick.

Peggy will always be a lead to me. But then again, I don't hate women. Or don't you? So I have two picks. So you have needle drop in relationship. No, I have needle drop one scene star in relationship. I love that we just changed Wildcard to relationship. That was a very good idea.

Because Wildcard, you could just be like, I love this. also awesome performance. Right. I mean, I think I had some fun ones though that I will no longer pick to be in relationships including all of the sisters

from Punch Drug Love and the phone sex operator from Punch Drug Love, you know? But I probably won't. It's not a good financial decision. One scene star there's a lot of ways to go here and you guys have both taken

your one scene stars. So I think it would be fun to talk through this category a little bit with you, guys because I don't think it has he has yeah Chris took philpseymore Hoffman and Matt as mattress man yeah and you took dirk digler's penis yeah now this is really hard I'll go from the bottom up okay Benny Safdi as Joel walks the yeah city councilman candidate yeah in Silver Lion winner Benny Safty Silver Lion winner that's

right Henry Gibson is Thurston Hall in Magnolia as the guy who needed William H. Macy at the bar. Hong Chow as Jade in inherent vice. Jenna Malone as Hope Harlingen in inherent vice.

Michelle Sinclair, aka the porn star Bella Donna as Clancy Sherlock. A.k.a. Inherit Vice. Real ones know. Martin Short as Dr.

Rudy Blatroy DDS in Inherent Vice is so fucking funny for three minutes. Harriet Sansom Harris as Barry Grady, the agent in Lickrish Pizza. Mm-hmm.

When she's like, you are a lighter. That scene is fucking cracked to me. Robert Ridgely is the colonel in Boogie Nights. Yeah. Powerful stuff. Philip Baker Hall is Floyd Gondoli in Boogie Nights. Really, really, really good. I'm a simple man.

Yeah. Butter and lollipas. Feel free to say it. Butter and lollipops. Yeah, we know. Bradley Cooper is John Peters in Lickrish Beasts. Yeah. And I think I have to do this.

Now, I'm getting a little bit boogie nights heavy here, but I have to take Alfred Molina as Rahadjax. Yeah, this guy you've got to acknowledge this is the best single scene thing, arguably in his entire career. These other parts are really fun and funny. Right. And Floyd Gondoli means a lot to me. But Molina as the coked out maniac.

has to be where I go with that. So I'll take that there. Okay. Needle drop. Hmm. I'll tell you one that hit me pretty hard. Yeah. This is maybe not the most conventional one that you could go with.

Okay. My conventional pick would probably be from Buggy Nights. Yeah. And the song that I listen to the most that he's ever put is from Buggy Nights. but I'll take journey through the past from inherent vice by Neil Young them walking by the

they're using the Ouija board and then they think that they have gotten a message about where to go to get something and they run outside through the rain yeah they run through the rain together and make out which is beautiful

yeah and and age appropriate yes and it is age appropriate that's true and what film was that in Sean inherent advice we get a lot of inherent advice It's coming back.

It's coming back in a big way. And Heron advice is, I mean, it's a pinch in season, you know, for PTA. You could make the case that what is so great about one battle after another is what held Inherent Vice back a little bit, which is that using the material as a jumping off point as opposed to the source text. Inherent Vice is like literally line for line stuff out of the book is in the movie. That's not the case for one battle after another. But yeah, I love that one.

There's another one I would love to talk through, but I know Crystal has to pick. in this category, so I won't stomp all over everything. Okay, CR. For, well, for needle drop, I'll just get this out of the way because I'll leave,

I'll leave the relationship, talk to the end. I'll do, I'll do God only knows from, from Puggan Nates. Just because of the way that it's employed is just like, it's so bittersweet

because, like, you know, you think a bunch of those characters do have, like, nice-ish endings, but I always remember Roller Girl, like, staring out the window in class and be like, ugh, like, you know, like, and it's the way that that drops with Cheatel coming out to do the ad or whatever. It's just so great. Yeah. It's an, I, how did they even, how do they even get that song? I don't even understand whether, like, it's hard to get songs anymore. I was watching, like, there's like, there's just like, here's with or without you. And I was

like, isn't this expensive? I know. Everything that we were taught in the 90s about the challenges of securing songs is over. That's a great one. Robert Plant a letter to ask. It's like, no, you don't think so. The one that I would have chosen from Bogie Nights is do your thing, which is the song that is used Charles Wright and the Watts 1003rd Street band that is played during the sequence when Little Bill discovers

that his wife is cheating on him again in the bedroom and he goes out to his car and gets a gun at the New Year's Eve party on December 31st, 1979. And that scene, I would just encourage people to rewatch it if you want to see the masterclass in editing. and pacing in a story where the way that the music fits to what is happening in the sequence is unbelievable. And that song is so cool because it starts out like a regular little funk song and then it turns into a really weird electric guitar solo jazz freak out. And it ends the final note of the song is the final note of the scene is the gunshot. And it's not the most beloved song of all time, but it is such a perfect use of music in movies.

He does this over and over again. Would you say that Nina Hartley would be the person you would also want to be in a committed relationship? There yet, Chris. I have to wait because Amanda has two picks before I can talk about all the porn stars who appeared in all these films, whom I love. So I have, in lead actress, I'm going to take Emily Watson as Lena Leonard in Punchstuck Love, which is a favorite of mine, PTA-wise, and also, like, she has to be believable as someone who would actually be interested in the Sandler character, you know, despite everything that's going on. But when they're sitting across from each other and he's explaining the pudding, like, frequent flyer miles scheme, and she is, she's not, like, what a weirdo. She is, like, warm and interested and intrigued and, like, it's just, it's, it's, it's very lovely. And I think it's very hard to be that present when you're just kind of, like, the girl and the object of this person. And she's not quite the girl.

So she has more to do. So that's a good performance. And then who do I want to be in a relationship with? Okay. You've got an amazing murder's row of guys left. I do. Well, you, I could also, you know, I'm deleting Peggy Dodd here from this list because that's been drafted. Well, you're telling with spending the rest of your life with a woman.

Oh, I, listen, you got to keep all your options open. It's a spectrum. It is. Absolutely is. I do. I think that all the sisters. Little Bill dies just for the record. I don't think he's.

Chung love long time would be like. a little alarming for me, but they're really good. Marilyn Raskop, you know, she's, she's, she's a goat. She means well. Okay, so there's, there's the practical choice here, which is just like. Well, let me say, well, just the point of order question. Is Dirk Diggler off the board right now? No, well, for you or for Amanda?

No, right. But just in general. Well, then this is what I was asking because I drafted his penis. Right, so if I were to draft him, would he be cockless? Like, is that, and you retain rights to? his member and then he is a eunuch with me. I guess so, yeah, which is in some ways, you know, some of the tension of the... You should give you visitation rights, you never know, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I'm ready to shoot, Jack. You want to spend the rest of your life with him in a committed relationship? I really do not. You guys would probably have similar taste in action movies, though. Me and Dirk. Yeah, he's kind of a skydance guy. So, like, the practical answer here, just, you know, on paper, the this is a person, who you can probably I don't know who's good-hearted

unless I'm forgetting a part of the movie where he does something fucked up but I don't think so anyway Phil Parma aka Philip Seymour Hoffman in Magnoia that's nice yeah yeah yeah yeah

another guy who wants to crank it but you know but you want that in a committed relationship right and then just but this is the scene in the movie you want someone now here's the thing

would that actually would that niceness become a little boring well it's also like When you're like, honey, how is your day? Right. Not a lot of laughs. Yeah. Which then leads us to Bradley Cooper as John Peters.

My God. I didn't say that's who I'm picking. I said I'm going through the options here. You know, like there is a lot going on. But like good enough for Barbersy Sand. What about Eli Sunday? Good enough. Why not Paul and Eli Sunday together?

Listen, it's a nice house. John Peters is house. Well, I might be Barbara Streisand. So that's tricky. But it's, you would never get bored. But then I think that honestly, on my list here, I'm not going to get into the age debate. So it's a small character.

Are you picking Cooper Hoffman? No, I said I'm not getting into the age debate. He's of age now. Now. Yeah, but in the movie, you know, like when came revisiting it. Wait, what was that? a fucking movie that I saw that had a direct lift. Oh, Freakier

Friday had a direct lift of licorice Pizza. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. It's like she's a purposeful homage. Do you see Freak Friday? But isn't it she's like old dating a young guy? No. Like her soul is old. No, that is in the movie, but there is a visual I think they shot at the same school

and there's a scene where they're walking you know, there's like that walkway with the overhang in Lickish Pizza. Yes. That is recreated perfectly and Freakier Friday and I was like, or the film filmmakers nodding to the 2022 masterpiece licorish pizza? Why not? Because, you know, young women have wide tastes and probably also enjoy Freaker Friday and

licorish pizza. There you go. Great. Okay. What is an incredible pod for women. Yeah. You know, they've got Dirk Diggler's cock. You know, they've got all these great performances.

Do you guys remember, um, wait, so you're not picking Phil Parma. No, no, no, I'm doing Lance Brandigan, uh, who is Skylar Gazano. Skylar Gazander's character. I wasn't sure where to put him. It's like, is he a one-scene star? Is he a supporting actor? You know, I mean, he's definitely got charisma. I really relate to the dinner scene.

We're just absolutely putting your foot in your mouth around the dad and all the other people. You know, we've all been there. Him throwing it at Alana Heim on the plane is elite. That scene is amazing. So that seems like that would be funny. Yeah. He's thriving. Right.

What's he do with the newspaper? He's a photographer? He puts things right into the CMS. But he also has relationships that help draw out necessary investigative information. We saw that. He was a critical part of that. Did you see the film Superman? Yeah.

We talked about this, did we? No, I think on the watch you talked about it. Yeah, I thought it was good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Did you guys see what the new Superman is about? Yeah. Sean told me two minutes ago before we started the podcast.

It was actually Chris who told you. So that tells you a lot about how you see men for the purposes of the pot. Which is pretty like the same. teaming up, you know, to fight another evil. Lex and soups. One and the other, you know, I don't know. Do you think that that film will then be accused of valorizing billionaires? It's possible, but who knows, you know,

depends on who actually winds up releasing it. That's a very good point. Okay, Chris Ryan, Amanda, you're done. I'm done. You are wedded to Lance Brannigan. Well, you don't have to be married. You don't have to put a ring on it. You just date that person.

Yep. You know, along the same lines as Amanda, she was saying how would this, you know, you could say like, wouldn't it be cool to date Shasta, but I think it would probably get pretty one note after a while. Completely disagree, but continue. Yeah. I like to keep things lively, and that's why I'm going to be in a committed relationship with Claudia Gator. How would your ears handle the volume at which she likes to hear music? I don't know. If I was doing a blow, it'd probably be like sounds great.

you and Claudia Gator would get into some trouble I think I think you guys would get into some trouble Yeah Do you think that by the end of the movie she's okay? Yeah, I think she's on her way to being a little bit better off You think she and Jim Curring But I think she gets bored of him You do?

Yes Oh yeah And that's kind of like Who were you afraid about being bored of? Phil Parma Phil Parma So maybe like yeah Magnolia everyone's in their feelings too much to

To be with them long term You know My true answer would have been could, would you be with T.J. Mackey? My true answer would have been Reese from Inherent, but you took her. I didn't take her. Somebody took her, right? No, we just talked about her.

No. Deputy District Attorney Penny Kimball? Then I'm with her. Okay. I'm with her. So it's like an attorney in the streets and a freak in the sheets. She just seems like a gray hang. Yeah. All right, so do you have one more?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm obviously taking Shast of Fayette. Yeah. I would like Catherine Watersden destroy my life. The whole movie is about... Not being able to get over. You can't get over the hex that someone put on you. You know, when someone comes along

who has that incredible power that she has in that movie and the whole first scene and then the whatever second and the last scene is like you just can't, you can't shake it. And yeah, for me, definitely. I mean, what are my other options? I'm definitely not choosing Claudia again. That sounds.

And not, you know, Hartley. Well, I love Becky Barnett. Yeah. Nicole Ari Parker from Boogie Nets. Chocolate love. Most recently on in just like that as a documentary filmmaker. Oh, yeah. Yes.

So I was talking with Eileen a couple weeks ago about and just like that, which apparently the last season was like a war crime. I still haven't finished it. Did you finish it? No, I did not. Yeah, did I lean? She did finish it. Wow.

I mean, she loves it and loves to hate it and is obsessed with, you know, that's like that. show is a religion to her the origin sex in the city but she kept talking about the new characters that they added and then how they kind of like pull back on some of them in the in these future seasons because of the backlash and what was missing and what wasn't there

and she was explaining the Nicole Ari Parker character to me and I was like oh who plays that character and she looked it up and she's like oh it's Nicole Ari Parker and I was like oh Becky Barnett and she was like who's Becky Barnett and I was like Becky Barnett from Boogie Nights and she was like I don't know what you're talking about and I was like the black porn star who dates you know Buck Swope like Becky Barnett And she was like, I, that's not, that doesn't register with me.

And I was realized. Has she not seen Boogie Nights? No, she's definitely seen Bogie Nights. But just that in my mind, I'm like, Becky Barnett, one of the signature characters of the 1990s. This is one of the key women we've seen on film. Flary Starling. Becky Barnett. Yeah.

And she just didn't, she didn't hold a lot of interest for Eileen. She said she was fine on the show, though. Nicole Hart Parker. Yeah, she was fine. Yeah. Bad show. Don't know how it ends. She was, the, Carrie was writing a historical fiction.

Yep. Historical fiction. Yeah, about the ghost or the woman who used to live in her Gramercy Park home. Was she writing it in the fashion of her column from the original show? No, no, no, when the suffragette would come along? Unfortunately, no. She kept being like the woman did this. Like, the character doesn't have a name.

She should have done it like an epistolary, like, diary novel in her carry voice, but set in the 1800s. That's a good idea. Maybe that happens in episode eight. Maybe Carrie could, like, somehow time travel back to the Gilded Age and show up there. Now we're talking. That's some HBO IP crossover. So we have a great number of also rants, honorable mentions. Yeah.

So we mentioned quite a few of them. Not taken here, Dirk Diggler, not taken. Yeah. Freddie Kwell. Yeah. Not taken. No Joaquin selected here. I know.

No Larry Docs Portello. I felt sad about that, but. what do you think about one battle after another if it's Jo I'm not saying that it was going to be I'm just curious what you because he was he was on a Joaquin kick yeah I mean I think it still works but I there is something very special about and softer about what Leo's doing that I is perfect I agree with you

Gary Valentine's still on the board Cooper Hoffman because he was too young for Amanda Sidney Brown Philip Baker Hall's character from Hard 8 Yes Philip Seymour Hoffman's asshole craps player

I don't wait for old people I don't wait for old people That was on my list You know I forgot to put him down on the one scene start But he would have been great God Philip Seymour Hoffman I mean

Yeah I mean Sandler is Barry Egan Sure He was on my leading men list For sure This is the movie right, that resets the trajectory of his career. Punchedruck love?

Yeah. Like this is the movie where we were like, oh, yes, he can do this. And now is becoming increasingly more known for doing parts like this than the comedy. I think it almost feels more like he's doing the slop to pay to do Jay Kelly or, you know, whatever.

Happy Gilmore, too? I didn't see it. All the golfers are in it. I know. I saw some of like... And I could ID them. And that's just... There you go.

You're a wife guy. Yeah. Amber Waves was not selected. Yeah. Like I said. I mean, I looked at... She's very, very good. It's...

Just too depressing for you. Pretty bummer town. Until the God only knows. Montage. Sort of. Alannaheim as Alana Kane. Pretty good. I had her in my list.

Yeah. I had her in my list. I was... Would you consider Kevin Jay O'Connor's performance and there will be blood a one-seam wonder. I guess I think of it as supporting, but it's really only about three scenes.

It's when he comes to the house, the swimming, and the fire, yeah. See that? Look at that. It's like right off the dome. We just know exactly what Kevin J. O'Connor does, and that's that's why that day, I made that margarita for him, the best friends ever since. Little Bill?

Yeah. Scotty J. Buck Swope. I mean, you could have just done a boogie nights. Cast draft. Yeah, we could have. One performance that I really loved upon revisiting it this week was Owen Wilson as Coy Harlingen. There's the scene where they're whispering to each other, and he's kind of explaining the entire plot in the world of the movie and the golden fang and all that is magical.

And that's what I was saying. When weedhead Amanda comes around, whenever that is in your 50s and your 60s. I don't know. Just try it again. They've got to, like, get weed back down. to like at least the 1990s. I just like, I don't, that's not, I don't relax like that, you know?

How do you relax? Well, but that's also, that's just not my vibe. I'm either having fun or I'm asleep. There's no third way. Got it. Smoking like a true crackhead. Either having to run or I'm asleep. I'm saying, that's not my wavelength.

It's important to know these things about yourselves. It's Knox just press. pause on his phone 20 years from now in therapy this is what my mom said in public okay what else

Todd Parker Todd Parker Thomas Jane yeah who else no one said Paul Dano at any point we just haven't said his name

we talked about Paul and Eli Sunday that's right okay you know Guzman from Boogie Nights yes T-T Needle drops I had vitamin C from inherent vice I had Jesse's girl

Boogie Nights Yep There's some sweet tunes in In The Master Get the behind me Satan Yeah It's an important one Some jams that I like to throw on

Yep Boogie shoes By Casey in the Sunshine Band And Boogie Nights is a big one I think he needs me In Punch Drunk Love One of the most famous ones Wise Up by Amy Man

Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. The same along in Lickrish Pizza. Life on Mars in Lickrish Pizza. What else? Do you think the categories worked for this? Well, it's not up to us to decide. So to the listeners to tell us if we've done a good job or not.

Jack, do you think this worked? 100%. Thank you for your support. Yeah. And your brevity, Jack. You really... I was going crazy. across three Google Docs and Google Sheets.

Okay. Yeah. I honestly, I might have to listen to this episode. I blacked out like half of it. I feel good about it. So you're excited for one battle after another? I am. It's a shame that this draft wasn't as contentious as usual, but I think we had some interesting.

We had some fun. Yeah. Who do you think won? I think we all did because we get to live in a time where this man makes movies, you know? That's really beautiful. Belladonna on screen. You know Amanda is going to crush the Instagram results

with Dirk Diggler's penis. Yeah, I think you... Thank you. I was thinking outside the box, but... It was honestly... It's like you put a dick in a box. Right. Literally.

As soon as I saw the category, it was instant, you know? So you had... Should we recap? Oh, yeah. Let's recap. Did you put it in the dock, Jack? It's up there. You did.

But it's... It's in both. Yeah, but if you want to do it in this order... Yeah, let's do it in order. You want to... You go first. Oh, that's right. In lead actor, I have Daniel Day-Lewis.

as Reynolds Woodcock and lead actress. I have Emily Watson as Lena Leonard. In supporting actor, I have Tom Cruise as Frank T.J. Mackey. Supporting actress, Leslie Manville as Cyril Woodcock. In one-scene star, I have Dirk Diggler's penis. In Needle Drop, I have Let Me Roll It from Liquorice Pizza. And in Wildcard, which is actually a committed relationship, I have Skyler Xondo as Lance Branigan.

Chris, you're up. I have in lead actor, Daniel DeLois, is Daniel Plainview. in lead actress Julianne Moore is Linda Partridge from Magnolia in supporting

actor Josh Brolin is Bigfoot Bjornson from Inherent Vice Supporting actress I have

Amy Adams one crank after another is Peggy Dod from the master One scene star Philip Seymour Hoffman is

Dean Trumbull aka the Mattress Man from Punch Drunk Love Needle Drop I got God only knows by the Beach

Boys from Boogie Nights and I will go back and I will say I was right the first time committed

relationship with Claudia Gator, CR. Oh, you're changing it? Good for you. Okay. Good for you. Yeah. That's truer to your essence, for sure. Okay. In lead actor, I got Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd and the Master. In lead actress, I got Vicki Crapes as Alma Elson in Phantom Thread. In supporting actor, I got John C. Riley as Reed Rothschild in Boogie Nights. In supporting actress, I got Heather Graham as Brandy, aka Roller Girl in Boogie Nights.

In one-scene star, I got Alfred Molina as Rahad Jackson in Boogie Nights. in Needle Drop, I got Neil Young's journey through the past from Inherent Weiss and in committed relationship, I got Shasta Faye Hepworth as portrayed by Catherine Waterston in Inherent Vice. Good draft. Fantastic draft. It worked. He makes good

movies. Yeah. Just nice to go back and just pop them on. It's really nice. Just hang out, let them roll. Is this dropping tomorrow? This is, we're going to put something about seven years. So feeling good about that decision. Thank you to

I just want to say Thank you to David Ellison Yeah you're Lord and Savior Yeah Your owner You check the tapes Yeah Love Taylor Sheridan

Yeah you love the Tomorrow War And all of his other works Jack Reacher never go back Yeah Thanks to Jack Sanders For his work on this episode Next week we will Dig into the Toronto

International Film Festival Adam and we will talk about We'll talk about weapons With Chris Ryan and Amanda Dobbins Everyone at this table Has seen weapons We've all seen weapons. Okay.

See you then.