The Big Picture - The Sandra Bullock Movie Star Playbook and ‘Practical Magic 2.’ Plus: ‘Oasis: Don’t Look Back in Anger.’

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Don’t look back in anger if you spent over two hours watching a pretty rough legacy sequel. On today’s show, Sean and Amanda are joined by Yasi Salek to cover two new releases in ‘Oasis: Don’t Look Back in Anger,’ a film they loved, and ‘Practical Magic 2,’ a film they found to be quite poor. Later, they bring back the movie star playbook for Sandra Bullock and explore what they’d like to see from her career going forward. (0:00) We’re coming to San Francisco! (0:45) Intro (2:02) TIFF premieres and Venice film festival prize winners (10:21) ‘Oasis: Don’t Look Back in Anger’ (33:17) Our relationship to the original ‘Practical Magic’ (41:59) ‘Practical Magic 2’ is a brutal watch (59:11) ‘Practical Magic 2’ significantly underperforms at the box office (1:05:29) The Movie Star Playbook: Sandra Bullock Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Yasi Salek Producer: Jack Sanders Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the Personal Price Plan®. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there®. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's time for us to hit the road once again. Last time we left the country, this time we're staying in state. We're heading to ACT's Tony Rembi Theater in San Francisco on Wednesday, October 21st, for a very special live show. We'd love for you to join us. Tickets will go on sale this coming Friday, September 18th at 11am Pacific. The ringer.com slash events. We'll have all the details very soon. Again, the big picture will be live in San Francisco at ACT's Tony Rembe Theater on Wednesday, October 20th.

and you can grab your tickets beginning this Friday, September 18th, at 11 a.m. Pacific. More information will be at the ringer.com slash events soon. We hope to see you there. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbin. And this is the big picture of conversation show about magic done practically. On today's podcast, Amanda and I are joined by Yossi Salick of the Bansplaine podcast to dig into the weekend's big movie, sort of Practical Magic 2, a sequel to the 1998 original starring Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock. Later in the episode we will talk about Sandra Bullock's interesting career and maybe where it should

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Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts, and savings, and eligibility vary by state. Okay. We were just discussing our weekends as able-bodied 40-somethings. And some of it was around friendship management, birthday parties, the screenings we attended. together and not together, and some of it was about how none of us are in Toronto, even though I got a chance to see a bunch of the movies that are at the Toronto International Film Festival. So I wanted to just mark some time on the movie calendar here, because one week from today,

Adam Neiman, our dogged Canadian correspondent and Mean Pod Guy, will be here to give us the full wrap-up on the TIF lineup. Runner-up in the Canadian movie draft. That is true. Yes. Hi, Adam. Hi, Canada. Yeah.

Do you think that that was a just victory? No. Okay. And also, I mean, I'm still getting rude comments from Canadians who have just like wandered into this room and been like, what is the big picture? What's a movie draft? And what, you know, how can you say that this represents Canadian cinema? Which, like, we did not, to be clear. We did not.

We were very clear about the fact that we were carpetbaggers that we showed up. Welcome, but uninformed. It's true. Very American behavior. Yeah. It's also one brand for this podcast in general. Over the weekend, a bunch of movies did premiere at Tiff. I got a chance to see I play Rocky, which is the new biopic about the making of the film Rocky.

The sort of film I usually don't like, kind of enjoyed this one. We'll talk about it a little bit more of Adam. I'm very curious to hear what he has to say. I suspect not the kind things. Also saw the Mahershal Ali film, Your Mother, Your Mother, Your Mother, which is the film that he and Bassem Tarik made after they did not make Blade. They should have made Blade. This movie was really good. Misty Green saw Chris Rock's new movie, which I thought was fascinating.

and will be the subject of an interesting conversation on this show. And then there were a few other titles, Being Human, River apparently popped for some people and love of your life. In addition to that, some film festival news, you were not at the Venice Film Festival this year with Amanda. Sadly, this year, sad it out. Yeah, I sent you some texts. You did. I visited some of our old haunts. I felt really loved.

I felt loved and missed. I thought of you often. Yeah. And I did impulse buy some velvet shoes that I didn't really need in your honor. And also some glass. Did you know that this year I did some Marano glass as well? How did you get at home? In my bag.

You know? Just with it, they wrapped up nicely. And it's beautiful. We ended last Thursday hearing the story off Mike, and I'm hearing it once again on Mike. It's important. The results of the Venice Film Festival prize winners. Very confusing. Full disclosure, I was in a target watching my son try to play a Nintendo Switch as you were texting me, being like,

Who do you think will win the Golden Lion? And I'm back to my other life. Possible love, which I think everyone thought would be the winner, won the Silver Lion, the runner up. And so there was about, what, five minutes of intrigue when we had to guess. That was when I texted you. Yeah. I saw Possible Love won the Silver Line and I was like, huh.

Yeah. Weird. What's left? Yeah. So it turns out that Woman Unknown, directed by May Altuki, won. I did see this movie. So I'm two for two at going to your MP film festivals and seeing the top prize. That's right.

You are. Just very exciting for me. And yet it was not a part of your report. So why was that? It was not bad, but also not particularly memorable. I think it's a perfectly competent film. It's set in 1945 or just a very, very recent post-war Denmark and is about the, what that society is doing with. collaborators or how they're responding to life after being occupied by the Nazis for many years as they were.

And it is told from the perspective and focuses on women rather than men. And male, Tuki is... Women. Have you heard of them? And there was some controversy at the Venice Film Festival that there were very few films directed by women in competition. This film was. other interesting thing about this is did you know did you hear about the premiere? No. Where things went nuts after you know only letting like two women I think into the the competition they screwed up the premiere and the subtitles got all wrong and so they actually had to stop. Oh. The and restarted and many people left. So this film has been you know mistreated by by Venice until I guess the makeup of the golden line. I thought I thought it was totally.

normal in a film that like I've seen in some ways many times before and also steals kind of its most memorable moments from Game of Thrones. So in that sense, there's a whole... Are there White Walkers in this film? That's okay. I mean, it's not effective, but I, you know, I didn't race out to tell you about it. Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. Okay. I mean, I look forward to seeing that movie. I noticed that also the star of the film, Matild Arcel, also won best actress. And she's good. Yeah. And Malcovic won for Wild Horse Nine, perhaps unsurprisingly. There was a special jury prize for Naza from Yuval Abraham and Rachel Zor.

Yuval Abraham, of course, worked on Northern Land the documentary a couple of years ago about Palestine, or about the West Bank, excuse me. And it's an interesting collection. I'm a very international collection. I think it kind of speaks to the lack of starry lineup that appeared at Venice this year. I also find that the awards at the Venice Film Festival are often a little bit. strange that they of course famously gave the Golden Lion to Joker? Yeah. Have you seen Joker?

No. Do you think you'll see it? Maybe. Anything could happen. What are you waiting for? I got to get through season four of Reacher. Are you watching Reacher? I love Reacher so much.

I would die for that man. Alan Richson or the character Jack Reacher? Alan Richeson also seems really lovely. What appeal does Reacher hold for you? Okay, I'm so glad you asked. It has like a brand of humor I really enjoy And also there's like a sort of like an expertise porn Or like maybe also a hulking strength porn

But kind of both like he knows everything Because he was like a military police chief or something Sorry if that's wrong Who cares, it doesn't matter And he can beat everybody up And I find it very satisfying Okay Yeah. Have you seen Reacher?

No, but I've seen that actor in other films I know that he had sort of like a word World Star incident recently. What? Didn't he, like, get in a fight or he saved someone from a fight? Can anyone help me out of the booth? The only thing I know is that he's getting divorced. And then he's getting divorced after.

You don't say. He's also very vociferously anti-Trump. And it's known for going on podcasts and railing against the administration. And very Christian. So you're saying he is about to be on the market. You guys missed this? That's correct. Yeah.

Okay. Or I was saying that's correct. He got into a fight. I'll tell you who I wouldn't get into a fight with is Alan Richardson. He's like six-six. 280. He's huge enormous. You're interested. I'm interested. I'm available.

Yeah. This happened in March. He was riding a motorcycle around a Tennessee neighborhood with his children. They were on his motorcycle, and then he got into a fight? Seems not ideal. Maybe it had a sidecar. That's down like Richardesque. You think he had a sidecar? You think he had a sidecar? Maybe. Double side car? Wow, that's pretty funny.

Just two small children in one sidecar. Can I say just one more thing about Woman Unknown? Which is just that, so. It's been eight minutes. Listen, we had to investigate what's going on in Alan Richardson's personal life. So along with Fjord, so the European Film Festivals have given the top prize to movies set in Scandinavia dealing with social morals and whether Scandinavians can be trusted. And that's really just I wanted to point that out. Okay, good note. There we go. Denmark is Danish?

Yeah, I get this wrong quite a bit. That's correct. Holland is the Dutch. Yes, yeah. Shoes. shoes. Among other things, yeah. Let's not reduce these entire nations to broad cultural artifacts.

Just pointing it out. That's all. Okay. Well, thanks for sharing. Let's stay in Europe. Why don't we? Great. Let's speak of Oasis.

Don't look back in anger. I mean, Europe is complicated with respect to Oasis now. Are they in Europe? You know, you want to wait into that one? Did we not Brexit? We did Brexit, I suppose. Did they play any other shows in any other European nations in that film? I know they played.

shows in the United States and in Asia, were there any other European performances? They're definitely in Brazil. Brazil, that's right, of course. Are they... Oh, you guys, you're going to feel real stupid. Ireland. Oh, yes. Famously.

Ireland did not break it. Famously, not the years. Yes, yes. Can't wait to talk about that. So this movie, which you did see in Venice, and you briefly reported on, and then Yassie and I got a chance to go see it this weekend. And put it on my top five, unlike Woman Unknown. Yes.

And I think very understandably, having now seen the film, which I thought was, was absolutely delightful. Venice, give Oasis the Golden Lion. Is that what it's called? You Cowars. Was this film in competition? It was not. No.

Well, it should have been. It's directed by Will Lovelace and Dillon Southern, who are a pair of documentaries who've made a few films sort of like this. They made The Meet Me in the Bathroom film. They made LCD play the hits. A couple of other, I would say, millennial Gen X coded music docs. Okay. And this movie is about Oasis reuniting.

And Liam and Noel, after many, many years, I think, is it 17 years of not playing together? Reuniting and including bringing other members of the band, bringing Bonehead back into the band. Bonhead J. And. Have you will. And touring the world and changing people's lives. And, you know, I've been thinking back on my relationship to Oasis. Okay.

Because that's what this film demands, right? I didn't get a chance to see them perform live like you guys did. And I was sad about that. I still don't really know why that didn't happen. since I live 15 minutes from the Rose Bowl. 45 on foot, which is what happens after you see a show at the Rose Bowl. Oh, you walked home?

You got to walk all the way out of there. Oh, yeah. You have to walk back to pass a beat in it. It sounds like you didn't try hard enough, if I'm being honest. As I recall, it was an extremely busy period in my life. That's all I'll say. With a minimal amount of child care in my life.

So we were short on babysitters. I think it was like the week after Telluride also. Yeah. Because it was very soon after we went to Venice. I think it was like early September. It was right when I got back because I came back from that long, right after Venice and I went straight to the Oasis show.

Same. You did, yes, yeah. This is a fairly quick turnaround for this movie. And this was a huge, I mean, a hugely anticipated thing for fans, but as a teenager, I remember very vividly loving the band, buying the first record,

and listening, burning it out. And that's all before, what's the story of morning glory? Yeah. And being, I had a good friend of mine, Ryan, in high school was very NME-pilled and his mother was English and he knew about a lot of British bands

and he was like very early on the strokes because he was reading the British music press and he was very into Oasis and then I think he became maybe more of a blur person and I stuck with Oasis and I never really totally got into blur until I got older but you know when you just have like a youthful sense memory

and something comes pouring back? Yeah. I feel like this movie was just a two-hour sense memory you know? of just like passionate love for CDs that I listen to over and over again while playing video games in my mom's basement. And God, this movie was just so satisfying and beautiful and fun. That's my review. I mean, 1,000% agree, but we know that.

Yassie? Dude's rock. Music is amazing. Fandum is gorgeous. You can have it all, but how much do you want it? It was a perfect film, five out of five. So a big conceit of the movie is this kind of twin approach between the union of Noel and Liam

and showing how their personalities are different and how they're still brothers and they're still connected and then showing how their music has really affected multiple generations of fans, which I thought was an obvious but brilliant conceit because it gives the movie so much emotionality. And then we don't have to depend too much on Liam and Noel being clever about themselves,

which is something they're very good at, but that usually works best I find in small bursts. Right. And they get like they get one, recording of Noel admiring Liam and one of Liam being like this kid wrote the songs and they you know like where they but you only have a minute from each of them which can't sustain an entire documentary so they padded out yeah so they bounce from city to city and essentially like each song more or less gets a city yeah and you get to use that as a portal into the dynamics of the song

what the song is about, what the history of it is, how it relates to the history of the band. There can be different kind of strains of storytelling. Like, there's a strain that's about Bonehead. There's a strain that's about their Irish heritage. There's a strain that's about a fan who's traveled a long distance to come see them play. What did you think about that dynamic? I thought it was so brilliant the way that they, like, did the connective tissue between the beats.

Like, it could have been, like, they could have really gone heavy-handed with it with the emotionality. Like, but for example, like, I'm thinking about one of the beats, which was a, I believe it was like a kid, like a teenager with autism whose mother was talking about how he never spoke until he asked for talk tonight. And like, I cried. But also, like, they didn't, they didn't beat it into the ground, right? Yes.

It was so, it was just two minutes. Two minutes, very brief. Because also that's not the tone and tenor of oasis. Like, they're not sincere and emotion. I mean, the music is, but they as a band... That is one of their most emotional songs. That's a very unusual oasis song, acoustic, null singing. It's one of my favorite songs, but it's an interesting thing because I thought of the Oasis Supersonic documentary,

which is a movie that came out seven or eight years ago. Fantastic. Great film. But that film spends a lot of time explaining the context of that song, which is this moment where there's this, you know, horrible show in L.A., where it seems like the band's about to break up. They do a bunch of cocaine. Actually, it was meth. Yes, they got very, very fucked up.

Noel panics. abscons to San Francisco. He goes to San Francisco and disappears for a few days and he meets this girl and he kind of like has a weekend fling slash falls in love with this girl and he writes this song about this time that he has with this girl which kind of lets him like reconstitute his feelings about the band. None of that is in this movie. It's just about this kid's relationship to that song, which is, I thought was just such a nice choice. Because this film, that's my other thing where I think they were really restrained is like you, you know how much B-roll and back old archival footage there is of Oasis? they didn't use that much because that's not what this movie is about, right?

It's not about the past. It's about the present and like it coming into our lives again. And I thought that was really smart and cool too. But it's also really well chosen what they use in the present and that is the autistic child is the most moving example.

But every single interstitial, kind of every single fan that they illuminate, you, and I found myself even bracing, there's like 10 seconds of someone with a sign and you think it's sort of the generic, like, I love Oasis so much, like outside of a crowd type thing. And it feels, or I was worried that it was kind of like traditional fan documentary. And every single example of that there's a twist or something quirky, the Bonehead one is about how she loves. She's just voiceover about how much she loves Bonehead.

And then it's her dog who's named Bonehead. Really funny. Bonhege and Portuguese. And so they're even using these very traditional music documentary tropes, but in a smart and amusing way. And I think what's really genius about it, it's like twofold. Like one is that like as, you know, we experienced the shows and like the London show was, I made a really questionable decision that ultimately paid off. Okay.

No risk. Just flying to London to go see them play. With a fan who I'd never met. Whoa. Oh, I forgot about this. Yes. Bless you, Chad. And his friend Joe.

Did he invite you? Yeah, that's right. Okay. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? It's an miracle you're alive. It's an absolute miracle. I was like pinned an air tag to my chest, you know, patting to note, please take care of this Yossi going into the night.

We were sharing locations. But it was important. Again, no risk, no reward. It was the best night of my life. I landed. It was, oh, it was your birthday party. Remember, I stayed an extra day because it was your birthday party. Yes, that's right, because this was the big talk of that night was like what safety precautions is.

Should I take? Listen, let's be real. Chad turned out to be one of the great ones. He was okay, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Joe is my role dog for life now, but... All right.

So I flew in the day of the show. Okay. Very risky. Very risky. But I couldn't miss Amanda's birthday. Of the plane. Straight to the standard of hotel. Shout out, one of my favorite places to stay in London,

meeting up with Joe and Chad. And thank God my friend Lindsay Hartman and her girlfriend were there. So I also had my girls. And we hit, you know, we... The entire city... was like on fire with Oasis. Like everywhere you went, people, the whole tube was just people decked out in their Oasis gear,

singing the songs. We like, walking up to Wembley, we stopped for a drink in a bar where an Oasis cover band was playing. And everyone's singing along and having drinks. Going to Wembley, it was just, you know, I thought it was really smart that they didn't cover the openers in this, but like Richard Ashcroft opened in London.

Oh, interesting. And he's amazing. He played Verve songs. Like Joe, who was probably 6, 5, and 300 pounds, weeping behind me. Did I meet a group of gorgeous young British men and befriend them? Yeah. Yeah.

Sure did. Did Joe accidentally partake in a powdered substance that he thought was a different powdered substance, which rendered him immobile? And thus somehow became my responsibility because Chad absconded into the night. Oh, I had forgotten that part. Okay. I don't think I've heard this story before. hundred pounds, me and Lindsay Hartman, one arm over escorting this man outside of Wembley, what do we do?

Still, again, people were crying. I was like in the pit, arms around people I had never met, you know, were jumping up and down, beers being splashed everywhere. It was magic. Like, it was just the energy. I've never felt anything like it. Wow. And the, sorry, to bring it back to the documentary, I really think the documentary captured that.

Like, I felt like I was back there. I was like, they nailed it. It wasn't hyperbole. Like, that's what it was like. I went to the Rose Bowl shows in Pasadena, which you also did. But you were general admission on the ground. I was not. I thought the documentary was more fun than the Rose Bowl show.

Rose Bull Show, in my opinion. I don't want to be negative towards Los Angeles. But the Rose Bowl show was a little like people being cool guy and a little like people were like, I just want to go to the show because it's the cool thing to do. A little bit less. I mean, it's also. This is the pride of England. Of course.

It was the end of the tour also. And we're on the later side. And so, I mean, that's the other thing about the documentary is just the filmed concert footage of all the different performances and the edit is amazing. And so you see a lot that we did not get a Pasadena. And both guys just seemed a lot more emotionally present at those early shows than they were in. Well, I think that's also the crowds. Like, I think it's so smart of them to focus on Mexico City and Brazil because nobody loves rock music more than Mexico City and Brazil. Yeah. They will die for it. And those crowds were on fire. Like, it was crazy. Yeah, but I feel like the second smart thing that this one of those smart, but what OASIS is about to me, like, and as someone who has spent months and months of my life researching OASIS, is they are the people's princesses, right? They make broad music for everybody, anthemic music, and it's about, like, it's about broadness. And I think you saw in this documentary that it was, it's really about what it is to just be a fan.

and love music. It wasn't so granular. You know, it was just like, this is how moving music and bands can be. You're right, and it did capture that. One of my favorite moments of the movie is when the British chap is outside when the announcement is made, and he's like, I've got to get out, me, Fred Perry.

You know, like that. And they're laughing at him, and he's like, I'm serious. Like, I have to get it out. Like, this is a huge deal. And there is obviously a lot of national identity built up in there. And it is about interpersonal relationships and individual people's relationships to a certain kind of music. But it did give me some of that nerdy music documentary stuff that I want, like, the exploration of some might say and like what that song was about and their Irish heritage and then playing, you know, talking about the Paul Kelly song, All Triangle. And, you know, that's like some old, some normal music documentary stuff that is.

isn't just about, like, rocking out at a concert. How great was that part? Like, my roommate, Lindover to me, we saw it together in Oasis jerseyses, and she was like, Irish Zionism. And I was like, period. It was. Well, there's a great, that great,

is it the Liam quote where he's like, no, it's Noel. He's like the Irish or the only race that can cry, laugh, drink, fight, smoke, drink all at the same time. Also, I'm sorry, I will say it before and I'll say it again. They should have let me smoke cigarettes in the screening of this Oasis documentary. Okay.

Did you try? No. Okay. But I should have loved me. Would that be possible in the UK anywhere? Like in Manchester? Oh my God. You guys.

A billion dollar idea. Can someone open a smoking theater? I feel like that's not healthy for the screen and the speakers. All right. The tech nerd weighs in immediately. Oh, okay. I don't need to. I'm not really a part of the smoking revolution.

I'm good. I'm trying to. You don't have to come. You can go to the regular AMCIMS or whatever. Are you guys funding the smoke screen? Like, that's what it's. It's called obviously the smoke screen. I'm open to investors.

We're obviously just, we're getting sponsorship. Alan Richardson, if you're listening, I would love to partner with you on the smokescreen a new series of theaters where you can smoke cigarettes. Wait, can we just, can we talk about the Noel and Liam of it all? Yeah, because it's so beautiful. It's really, really. I was relieved that they both allowed themselves to be sincere about it. Right.

Because I did worry a little bit. Yeah, but they both gave you enough, you know, like Liam especially. you know, Liam is a fucking roller coaster man and Liam has had some troubles. Like Liam in the post breakup, things were a little dodgy there for a while. He obviously is still like a beautiful person and like a one of one elite front man.

He is one of the most truly magical. He's like pure id. I've never experienced anything like it. He's so important to me. Yes, I know. He's very Amanda Coded. He's an inspiration. I'm so connected to him. You have to try really hard to not care

this much. Yeah. To not give a fuck. Noel, of course, has not changed that much, I would say. He's more or less the same person, which is like really somewhere between that very ordinary council estate, lower middle class kid and deep thinker, like music-obsessed kid, like laying on the carpet in his bedroom, listening to every record ever and kind of figuring out like song structures and, you know.

Yeah, he's a genius. He's a genius. He's a songwriting. That's why Oasis is such a rich thing for something like this because they are the platonic ideal of a rock band, right? They have the two figures, which in many of the greatest rock bands exist. The figure that writes the songs and is sort of the musical genius, but they're kind of writing it about the front man. That's right. Who's living it out. It's very Mick and Keith, you know, like this is this happens.

But inverted. That's inverted. Yeah, exactly. And they're also. And their brothers. And their brothers. So it's like biblical. Like also in the strain of like the Jesus and Mary chain.

And there's like many, you know, brother bickering, but like you're tied together by blood and DNA. Yeah, the kinks are like this. Yeah, yeah. The kinks, exactly. And it's like, it's myth, you know. They're a rock and roll myth. Yeah. Honestly, was sad to me that they were not communicating and not in touch.

And so even if they, well, to me, the single most, like, chills moment of the movie for me is because I didn't go to the shows. When they're in Cardiff at the first show and they walk on stage and first of all, fucking in the bushes is an absolute banger, which I always. love from standing on the shoulder of giants. So that being their like walkout music. Shoulders. And then what did I say? No, you said it, but I just love to point out that it's standing on the shoulder, one shoulder of giants.

Oh, standing on the shoulder of giants, right. Not shoulders. And Liam grabs Null's hand and raises his hand in the air. And they walk out together holding hands. I was like, oh my God, this is so great. I had no idea that that happened. I never saw that photo or I didn't know that that's how they did it. Every show.

That's something Liam did, you know, at last minute? I don't know. And Noel's kind of narrating it. And he's like, he showed up late. I was so nervous. He's just asking about the catering. I don't even know what's going on. And they built it up to seem, I mean, who knows we weren't there, but they built it to seem like he had no idea what Liam was going to be like, you know.

A friend was at a Q&A in London over the weekend with Will Lovellace and Dylan Southern. And the footage that you see of rehearsals where Liam shows up doesn't say anything and leaves was apparently true throughout rehearsals. rehearsals and so they had no idea until the tour started of whether like the reconciliation like was real until that moment. No one knew. We were all. It was a polymarket. We were like, is this, if you had tickets to like the third show or are you going to go?

We didn't talk about this at the time. Like, would they make it to the Rose Bowl for sure? I will say someone did know though that they had to show the Adidas bag front facing as it was coming and going. So someone was paying attention to a few things and that's okay. Yeah. It was really beautiful. And I also like that they show, especially near the end of the film, the progression,

and how clearly they got closer, you know, like their embrace at the end of the show when Liam would walk off and they would hug and they would kiss. You know, it seemed like they amended something over time by playing together. I think it's really cool that, like, this documentary doesn't over-explain or handhold. So it's rewarding if you're like a me, for example, who like knows the minutia of every historical detail and background. But I think it's just as rewarding if you just kind of like three Oasis songs. I thought was really cool. But, like, for example, like, I think part of what's so special about you seeing them come together and you sing Noel shift towards Liam is that Liam never sounded this good. Yeah.

Actually, literally never. But definitely, like, I saw them like 2004 or five. Did not. His voice never. And he clearly has, like, doubled down and recommitted himself. He said it, I'm not smoking. You know, they have the straws. The straws, I think, are for vocal warmups.

Did he say he was also not drinking during the whole tour? I would. that would be shocking. I thought he said that at the beginning of the film. I think he did. And then he talks about, you know, when they do a clever thing, they sat down for one joint interview and they don't really show them together in frame until the very end of the documentary. Yeah.

And you're just like, oh. It was so good. And then there's that bit where Liam is talking about having all their kids on tour. And he's like, the kids are having such a great night. And I'm like some, you know. They had never met. And but he was saying that basically the kids were partying and he's. he's not, he's too old.

And then Noel's just sitting there giggling. It's wonderful. Yeah. It's really, really good example of a movie like this. Movies like this can go terribly wrong. They can be very like authorized and phony seeming. And this is like a genuine document that I think accurately shows the relationship the fans have to this band.

The movie, I think this is very self-serving for the band, but I also think it is true. I mean, it came out two days before the new tour. But I mean specifically this point, which is that they go out of their way to say that a lot of families have parents have given this band to their kids. Yeah, because of the crowds were so young. Because there's a lot of kids there. And he's like, you know, I think as Noel is kind of looking out at the crowd and seeing like all these like teens and 20-somethings.

And he's like this is so strange. I feel like the crowds weren't even that young when we were playing in the 90s and 2000s. So yeah, now I have to go see them in 2027. Yeah, we're going to like seven shows. I want to go to Glasgow. That's what I want. I haven't been to Scotland in 10 years.

I'll come with you to Las Vegas. When is that? Yes. I'm going to go to network. In Lasgo to Cannes? Yeah. You guys are perfect. You'll be right over there.

Yes. Yes, Sean. Yes. Glasgow's right two days after my birthday so we can celebrate. You have some other things you have to do in Europe? That's fine. French skincare purchase. No, I have to go see Tracy.

Let's perform in death of sales. Are we not invited? We spent time in Venice with Tracy last year. That's true. Tracy sent me a text message or two. I feel like I could be on that list. You think Tracy wants to go see Oasis? Yes.

I don't. I actually wonder. Tracy, what is your relationship to Oasis? Let us know. Do you like Oasis? Yeah, we can just do a whole swing because once you're over there, you know? Also, not to get back on my mean music biopic guy podium, which is where I live.

Aren't you so fucking glad that they didn't try to make a biopic? I wouldn't rule it out in the future. Because this now has a happy ending. Imagine Liam Gallagher is like a ray of light captured through a prism of a rainbow. What person could embody? They've tried. I mean, there's been little characters that have supposed to be Liam.

What movie did we watch where they portrayed him? It was a very bad film. Is the Alan McGee movie? Yes, it was creation stories. Also, my favorite Alan McGee thought that I couldn't stop thinking about every time Bonehead was on screen is like when he first met Oasis and Bonehead was already bald, which is why they called him Bonehead. And he goes, can we not get him a hat?

Any closing thoughts on this movie? It made about a million dollars. You know, I think it's a for fans document for sure. And it's a very British document. And for old people. And old. Well, there's a lot of... But there were young people.

I think Oasis is so enduring for many reasons, but also it's like we don't make big rock bands like this anymore. Yeah. One other thing that I really enjoyed about it was you get... You get Champaign Supernova, you know, you get Wonderwall, you get... Don't Look Back in Anger. You know, you get... And they did them in the order that they were played at the show. Oh, is that true?

Yes. Oh, that's cool. Which was really cool. But they also gave you, like, the master plan and some might say and talk to And I acquiesce. You know, acquiesce. See, that was the thing. We need each other.

After the Cardiff show, I guess it was like the Oasis account, just released the first 30 seconds of them playing Acquias. And I was like, fuck. Like, how am I not going to this? How was I not there? Some of us were sitting at home. And that's the other thing, the band sounds so good. Some of us were sitting at home on a random guy's live stream who live streamed the entire Cardiff show. Oh, really?

And I was glued. That's right. And I was sitting there, the whole, just sitting at home watching it. That's commitment from him and you. He's a real one, and I appreciate his service. I don't know if there's an elegant segue to practical magic, too. Well, I guess it's about aging. I guess it's about the 90s?

Passing things down. The 90s being back? Sisters, brothers. That's right. I mean, in 1998, when practical magic came out, Oasis, more or less the peak of their powers, right? Things from the 90s that didn't age as well. Yeah. For 200.

But before we talk about practical magic, too, let's talk about practical magic. Because confession time, I'd never seen the movie until five days ago. Okay. And I don't know why. I think I just missed it. Perhaps it's because it was a female-centered story and I was 15 when it came out. But I don't think so.

I love supernatural stuff and horror and all that. And I love women. Love Sandy. Sure. It wasn't a thing in the, when it was released. I don't think of it. Yeah. It was not, and it was not widely celebrated.

And so it has allegedly become this. It was a big thing for me in high school, like on like rentals. You didn't see it in theaters. Yeah, yeah. No. But I've I've watched it every year since it No kidding Oh yeah it's like my fall special treat

Like October rolls around I have like a deep relationship with the first movie Oh interesting okay I'm so glad you're here Yeah it's well I think okay look is it citizen Kane No However it is this like I always think about like Nancy Meyer's houses and you know you talk about them Sure yeah

This house in Practical Magic 1 is my Nancy. That's like my perfect house. It's like so... Basically the entire film is like sensory porn. Like it's so lived in.

It's so warm. The like beautiful coastal environment. I think it was Whidbey Island that's maybe filmed on. You feel like you can feel the crisp of the fall air. It feels like you just put a sweater on for the first time and you're about to have

a hot mug of tea and read your book. Watching it feels like that. Her husband's about to be hit by a truck. Sure. This is said by an LA kid also. So, like, what do you know about that? Exactly. I mean even more impoverished.

Wanting and needing it. So you yearned for that thing that you could not get. Yeah, and we do get it. As we sit here on September 14th in 85 degree heat. As you guys know, you've lived here long enough, it will come in January. Yes. What's when winter starts? Late November, the best time in Los Angeles, in my opinion.

But the other thing about this movie, and again, it's a little clumsy. But I feel like the metaphor, which this is important because I have. I think when we talk about the sequel, it's like you ruined it. But like the metaphor of the curse, which preclude, which supposedly precludes these women in this bloodline from having love and maintaining it, is really like a metaphor about that you, to have love, you risk pain. And you cannot avoid risking vulnerability and pain just because it might be taken away from you. And in the first movie, it's actually quite unclear if the curse. is even real. That's the whole point, you know, like, it's like that you have to put your heart on the line. And it's kind of a beautiful, again, it's simple, but it's like, it's a lovely thing.

And also then what helps you when you do feel that pain? Community, sisterhood, like, literal, like women coming together to like... For midnight margaritas. For midnight margaritas and like a broom circle or whatever. And it's pretty beautiful, you know, like, and then I don't know what happened. Are you big into which stuff? Yes, I love it. Oh my God. I do. Or, Right. I'll have to cast a spell here and there, but even manifestation. This is the other half of your California coming out where I don't have the woo-woo. Yeah. That's okay. I rewatched the first one. I had definitely seen it at some point on VHS like a, you know, sleepover type thing, but didn't stay with me. And again, I'm not a witch person. I found the first one very hard to follow from a plot point.

But I told you I would explain that to you. Yes. But when you were, Yassie and I saw Practical Magic two together. We went to lunch. Then we went to a one p.m. Friday afternoon screening. It was a beautiful afternoon of sisterhood. Yeah, exactly. But you... Well, I didn't get a call. It was women for why only.

I did already have tickets. I saw this with my wife. But you said that it made a lot of sense. It does. I don't really understand what's going on. There are some generational... The original film you mean. The original film.

There are lots of different generations that we're doing some time shifting, you know. Maria Owens, who is the ancestor, was spurned by the man who impregnated her. And thus she attempted to cast a spell that binds her entire bloodline from ever, you know, having the fate that she had because these men will die. Who know, again, who knows if it works? Right. There are, yeah, there's a few holes. Like, why are they still named Owens?

Who knows? Do they have any boy children? We don't know. That's not important. Yeah. Wait till the plot holes of practical magic two coming. Exactly. What's important is that the star power and charisma of Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock in 1998 is unmatched.

That's what I want to talk to you guys about because I was like, you couldn't even make this movie now because who would be in it? I don't know who's a movie star anymore. They're like 31 years old. You could. Yeah. You could. It would be Sertia Ronan and Florence Pugh, and I think they'd do great. Those are the two names that I gave her.

Because that's not a movie. I don't know. I mean, I think it's the kind of movie I would like to see them make. This is based on a novel. Griffin Dunner directed the original. And, you know, having not seen the movie before, I was a little bit bewildered by it.

But I also understood exactly what you just said, which is like, this is a girl's sleepover movie. And that's a total, that's a genre of film, right? And it's like a very important. It's like, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Another one of those movies is like, you saw when you were 13, you watch it with your girlfriends, you had a great time.

And it doesn't really matter if it's like, True Beverly Hills. It doesn't matter if the movie's like, good. Boys have movies like this too. But it's silly, but it is still funny. It's charming. And it can be meaningful to you. Yeah. And it's more it's not

practical magic too. No. Yeah. No. And I understood the appeal of the first movie. I watched it with Eileen at home. Yeah. And I was like I see at 44. This is maybe not exactly aimed at me. But

who doesn't like Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, obviously? They're both great. Yeah. Eden Quinn is fine. Hot. I mean, he's not doing that much. Gorn, Wiesn, it's just fine. Diane Weiston and Socker Channing, love them.

They're great, perfect. Young Evan Rachel Wood. Yes. Not returning in this film. We'll talk about that momentarily. I think it's an interesting artifact of its time. There are a great many 90s movies like this that we talk about on the show all the time. I can't think of a single time this movie's ever come up in almost 10 years on this show.

Yeah, because it's not one of my movies. And the other thing that you pointed out is that it starts your quote unquote spooky season and your fall season. And you don't like spooky stuff. Well, you know, if I'm observing that it's by watching Gilmore Girls, you know, which is to me it's the same. You've nailed it.

It's kind of the same feeling as Gilmore Girls except with a supernatural element. Yes. And I think it's like Gilmore Girls started right around the same time. But, you know, fall leaves, tea. New England quality. You know, and that's about a mother. and a daughter. But so, but it's kind of, it's like girl's spooky season, essentially. And your

spooky season goes in a different direction. I want it being ripped out. It's more like, what's hocus pocus is a, in this genre? Even like a better movie, and I love it, but Witches of Eastwick, you know, there's a whole, like, yeah. I thought about an hour into this movie, I literally turned Eileen and I was like, we have Witches of Eastwick at home. Like, I, you know, that's a much more interesting spin on the story. Yeah, it's a more serious movie. But, you know, obviously the movie is beloved and much like something like the Devil Wars Prada, right? Right for revival, right? A movie that people have a lot of a huge relationship to.

Or is it? Or is it? I think they could have done it better. Well, so this movie was a cult favorite because it was not a box office success, but it was clearly a blockbuster home run. And people had been renting this movie for years and years, watching it on cable. And so they revive it. And it is based, again, on another novel by Alifax. Hoffman. So it's not as though

they just rendered it from Her cloth. However, the other novel by Alice Hoffman was written way after the film. Right. Success. Right. Naturally. Yes, but you get the sense that that story was finished. Right. The completion of the book

and the novel was supposed to be the end of something. And then they revived it. We're like, but what if this thing? Much like the Devil Wars part of it. Right. So this new film, Sandra Bullock and Nicole couldn't have back, Diane Weiston, Stocker Channing are back. Joining the cast as Sandra Bulk's character's daughters are Joey King and Maisie Williams. Lee Pace is here and Jolomar Duania from Blue Beetle is here.

Oh, right. And in this movie, right off the bat, we learned that Sally has been widowed again. I guess Aidan Quinn's character has died at the beginning of this movie. Because of the curse. Because of the curse. How long did he have? I didn't clock the dates on the headstone. It looked like it was like a year or something.

Okay. Right? So because of this death, she hides her magical past from her daughters, who then grow up to become a college student and a doctor. A med student? A med student? Okay. I was trying to...

Yeah, she's like a resident and then... Joey King is just... That also didn't totally make sense to me because Joey King's character is older than Maisie's... Let me... Hold on, hold on. We have to get into all that. This is actually very important to me. For an hour in the movie, I was like, what is happening?

How does this make sense? So obviously, Sandra Bullock's character, Sally, is shielding her kids from this news, this information that they're witches and that they have this power and that they're subject to this curse. Eventually, of course, Joey King's character has a boyfriend and she falls in love. That leads to him being imperiled. After he's imperiled, she has to go save him, which leads to the sisters going off to try to save her. Yeah. Magic starts happening. Sort of.

Sort of. Sort of. There's a nefarious fellow. there wasn't the first film who wants their powers. And then we learn a little bit more about the family curse. Practical magic devotee. I went in with such an open heart. My heart was wide open.

I was like, I'm ready to love this. I had a beautiful lunch with Amanda. I was like, got cozy in my seat. And I tried. I was like, you know, one punch landed, another punch landed. I was like, no, no, keep your heart open. And then at some point I finally turned to Amanda. And I was like, was this written by AI?

And unfortunately, some of the dialogue is so bad and so wooden and so not funny. I just, and again, then we can get into, you know, Amanda's science corner of why none of these plot points make sense. Also, you're just, I don't know, other science is really applicable here. You know, we've, logic and time. Yeah. But I'm like, eat. And the great, you know, the mystic. It's the same story, but no one's had any character growth.

Nicole Kidman's character, Jillian, is just relegated to being like an appendage. She is a sidekick, very much. She's the manic pixie dream girl. We don't learn anything about what she's been doing for the- She's really more centered in the original film. Even though Sandra Bullock's character gets the kind of romantic storyline in the first film, it really feels like Nicole Kidman's like driving the action. Yeah, she drives the action.

They're both kind of equally have like these concurrent plot lines. But here she's just there to be like, drunk and silly, and you get no information about what she's been doing for the past decade or so, because I'm, like, hoeing, apparently. And... Which, you know, that's okay. She's moving out loud. Yeah. I'm not... She can't commit because of the curse. I'm not sex.

Negative. That's fine. Go off, sis. But... Maisie Williams' character, she's on screen for four minutes. I don't even know why she was in the film. Um... I'm just... I was, like, kind of flabbergast. Also, it felt like it was four hours long. I don't... I'm not trying to be negative about because I really wanted to love it. Sandra Bullock is still so charming and love it. And I was like you're holding this movie on your back and also sort of wasted. Can we just enter into the record that you did start crying at the end? I am an emotionally.

I cried three times. I did cry. I actually cried maybe one other time. Okay. A bad thing can still move me. I'm still, my heart is open and I'm sensitive. There's me and Masters of the Universe. And not to spoiler.

Can we spoil yet? Not yet. Okay. Well, I'll say why I cried. Not that I'm not sure there's maybe listening who's like I really used to be shielded from practical Magic 2 spoilers, but nevertheless. Yeah. What did you think?

I felt nothing, and I think I got some to-do lists done. Did you nap? No, I did turn to you three minutes in, because I was still a little bit jet lagged, and I was like, this could be real dangerous, and we were at a theater with the reclining seats, and I was like, you know, you might have to explain it, but I didn't. I stayed awake. I would say that the absurd music cues kept me engaged. Okay.

I, listen, the, well, it wasn't quite a graze anatetic. style cover of And So It Goes, because it wasn't breathy. It was more like a kind of... Is that the one that made me laugh? Cabre singer? Yeah, but I... No, it was the fade-in to me cover that made me laugh. Sure, yes.

I like Gaffon. Yeah. That's bizarre. It was incredible. Bizarre. But like the torch song version of, and so it goes, was quite amusing. Quite expensive music to be honest. We had some Olivia Rodriguez, right?

Sure. We had Way to Sly. Yeah. For the use. Yes, yeah, that's when I turned to Yassi for my classic. I did the music. I just feel like they could have spent that budget on a better writer. Well, three people worked on this song, including Akiva Schaefer.

Who's an original? Goldman, excuse me, yeah, very accomplished writer. I like to believe that he was overridden because I believe in him. My instinct is that Kelly Marcell is responsible for the final version of the screenplay. Kelly Marcell, best friend of Tom Hardy. Yeah, of course. author of the venom screenplay. Yeah.

She also wrote Saving Mr. Banks. Yeah. That sounds, yeah, that scans. Yeah. This is one of the worst movies of the year. I don't, you know,

I thought it was horrible. It's really hard for me. You guys, this is really painful for me. It was not good. And I realize I'm not the prime directive here for this film. I am, though, and I still.

And it was a difficult conversation with Eileen afterwards because she clearly was moved. I was in a, If the movie is two hours and ten minutes, it felt like it was nine hours. It's four hours long. So here's the thing. I don't disagree with you.

The ways... It's harmless, right? So that's okay. It's harmless. And the ways in which it's bad are not interesting, but they are more to my interests than other bad movies we've seen this year. Like Supergirl is one of the worst movies of the year. But I was like...

I don't care about any of this. And like, you know, and I don't want to be looking at these things. I spent a lot of time marveling at, you know, various post-production choices in this movie. That's a polite way of putting it. Take away the plot that is crazy. Everybody's got something different. They erased all of the warmth and charm of the visual of the first one.

You couldn't even make it. Well, the house they made of CGI, I guess. No, they didn't. They rebuilt it. Again. They somehow made it look like CGI. Yeah. And I'm sure that the cinematography and the light.

This is oldest time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are two huge stars in their early 60s. Yeah. And the way that historically actresses are lit and shot when they're into this phase. And I will say this, Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock are beautiful. And they look extraordinary for their age. But they look extraordinary for any age.

Yes. But there's some real like Elizabeth Taylor in the 1970s stuff going on where it's like Vaseline on the lens where you're like, what am I, am I looking at a cloud? Like the visual dynamics of the movie are horrible. for that reason, I think. And clearly, like an inconsistent. Yeah, it changes every time, right? Exactly. And you can tell, depending on, like, the scene or what they're applying in post. By the way, I just want to say, like, let's keep looking into those filters for me.

You know, like, I'm not above it. Jack, slap that Vaseline all over the lens for me. I'm fine with it. But, like, that actually was something that I spent a lot of time. And I was intellectually engaged with it in the way that I'm not intellectually engaged with, like, the backstory of Lobo or whatever his name is. Right. You know?

So that doesn't make it good. In fact, it is quite bad. but I was just kind of like, oh, okay, and now I'm going to spend some time thinking about this. The production designer is Tom Burton, but I misread it and thought it was Tim Burton. Was I having a stroke? That'd be a weird job from the team.

It would have looked way better. But so then I was kind of like Googling under my, you know, bag trying to clarify the situation. That's how I found out there was an architectural digest feature where they did rebuild the set. But in England. Yeah. Yes.

Yes. Not in would be island. Gassie and I were also talking about, because the first practical magic, they built the house and then tore it down. And we were kind of wondering about, so when you build an entire house but just for a movie, like, do you have to build it to code or is it, you know, or do you have to then tear it down afterwards because it doesn't have like the right safety and plumbing? I think it probably needs to be a code because it's just a living house. Yeah. I don't know why they were. Why build it down? Why turn it, you know, tear it down?

So they tore down after they shot in Practical Magic 2? They tore down after they... This is what we've heard. I don't know if it's 100% true. I'm not sure. It's not really that important to me. You know this film? But these are the things I'm thinking about while watching this bad movie.

What I was thinking about was the casting. Well, sure. Yeah. Listen. Well, I don't have anything against Joey King and Antonio Williams. Measy Williams. I'm sorry. Her thing was. her character name is Antonio. I apologize. But I was like, okay, again, I was just thinking on like the star power of, like, you could have maybe tried to match that a bit. And they're lovely. They're, you know, cute girls, a good actresses.

But I was like, oh, it would have been nice if it was just a little, something a little more. I mean, I don't have a word for it. The movie is a little low rent, you know? It's just not really, it doesn't, it seems like a very cozy movie star vehicle. for two big stars who are reviving an older product. I mean, Suzanne Beer is the director, you know, Danish filmmaker, who's made a lot of really well-liked movies over the years,

has not made a ton of Hollywood movies, but she did direct Birdbox. Is that what the... Yeah, yeah. And obviously a huge, huge hit in 2018 for Sandra Bullock on Netflix, but not a good movie at all. And so obviously there's some trust there

for Sandra Bullock bringing her in on this movie. But it's a, hold, hold, this is important. I need you guys to help me understand this. And if you want to just hand-wave it and say it's not a big deal, that's okay. But, you know, in the original film, which was made in 1998, Evan Rachel Wood and the other young actress are 10, 11, 12, the daughters. Yeah, see, it was dramatically whispering about this throughout the film. So keep going on.

So that film came out 28 years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the daughters in this film are 20 and 24? I think presumably the story was written. So did this movie take place in 2007? Yeah, because that's when the book was written. They're also, they don't really have smart. No, they do have smartphones.

They do, right? Because they're FaceTiming. Yes, that's right. They're facetiming from the guy in the coma. We're just supposed to, we're just supposed to. That's something that one of Nicole eyebrow. I don't know how to, just the one eyebrow. Just the one.

I don't know how to, I just say this delicately by I believe that we, that the characters of the sisters are meant to be 20 years younger. Right. Then they're age. Which is, I think I can accept intellectually, but is so distracting in the first 30 minutes of the movie if you've just watched the original. Because you're like, I know how long ago this movie was made.

It would have been, I guess, like, what difference would it have made if the daughters were in their 30s? I don't think any difference. Maybe they fell in love for the first time in their 30s. Well, I was expecting to see Evan Rachel would. Yeah, she wasn't asked. So I heard. But I'm like, Evan Rachel, what is a talented actress?

And she was in the original. It's, I guess, the generous thing to say is that it's hard. These parts are nothing parts. And so, and you have to be still supporting to. But Joey King is quite famous. She's a very successful actor. Sure. I think the ungenerous thing to say is that the younger, the actresses are the younger, every actress seems.

I get it. And that's what we're going for. And of course, they are entitled to make whatever movie they want. I just sounded distracting. I was literally confused by it. I really feel I would have swallowed anything if the writing was better. Yeah, that's a good point. The charm of the first one is that Sandra Bullock is so funny and Nicole Kidman is so funny and they have these, they had pretty good dialogue.

Like, again, it's not Citizen Gain, but the jokes land. They're funny, you know? This, there was like, did you notice this that there was like so much stuttering that was played as comedy? It was just Sandra Bullock stuttering. Yes. And I was like, is this funny? I don't, you know, and she did her best. She's funny. I love her. I would, I would lay down my life for Sandra Bullock, one of my favorite actresses of all time. And I was just like, you deserve a better. Well, yeah, she doesn't have any comedy. There's not a lot of comedy in this movie is the problem. They try. Well, but even, you know, it's fairly grim. It's like the boyfriend, she's in a coma and everybody's died. And we have to. fly across the country to

across the world to undo some spells. LePace? Yeah. Hot, amazing. What movie are you in? We're in a different movie. What movie was he in? I don't know. He was good, but it was just I was like, I don't know what's... He's meant to be some candy for you guys. Yeah. For the customer. They only give you, quite literally,

half a second of Lee Pace doing Lyme and the coconut. And he does a little shimmy and they cut away. And I was like, what is happening? I sat through two hours and eight minutes of this film. And you're just giving me, you don't even get the hips don't go to both sides. You only get one half in the hip shing. He was a good dancer too. Able to be electric.

The whole movie came to life. It was the director's cut of Lee Pace doing the entire lime and the coconut hip shimmy. I thought the guy that played the bad guy was actually quite good. I'm going to say. You know what? He had a little to work with. And he put his whole ass into it. And I thought it was good.

I would say I struggled with his motivation. Well, sure. Not totally sure when he was trying to accomplish. Like, I got it, but I don't think I got it. He wanted magic back. But so then this is the other thing. And this is a note that I have for both practical magic and practical magic too. That actor's name is Sally McLeod, by the way.

That's the most British name of all time. There's no magic. No one is, no one's doing any magic. I mean, there's a gross CGI. third act mess at the end, which is very similar to all Marvel movies. Right. Really, guys, this is what you did with this? You know, they removed the demon from Leapes when they first come.

But, like, they're not, first of all, there is no practical magic. Like, you don't see them living their life, like, doing fun magic things in order to just make life seem better because they're, you know, it's beautiful, but also they have magic. Like, they still use a blender for margaritas. Oh, can we talk about the product placement in this? Okay, so the Ninja Yeah, so it's a great product, honestly. Okay.

We'll take your word for it. Yeah, yeah, sure. They didn't use. American Airlines prominently featured as the airline that gets them from wherever they are to. Not shot in an airport, very clearly shot in like a janitor's closet with one sign that just had American Airlines on it. And there was one more, what was it? Where we were just laughing and out by each other. Was it a beverage or something or like a food?

I can't totally remember. Here's the thing. You have to find your movie. I don't begrudge you. Again, Oasis movie. I've never seen so much Adidas in my life. All good. That's fine. Sure. I accept that in most mainstream studio movies. But also, I just, why do you need a blender to make a margarita if you're a witch? Well, they did it with their hands. Well, sure, but they're just like, all they're doing is it turning it on. How would you do it? Explain it to us. Well, I think that you should be able to just mix it with, I think you should, your magic should. include the blade. As a witch. Otherwise, you should just be able to like this and then a margarita shows up.

There wasn't a huge blender product that you could buy at the theater that was for a soda. And I was almost tempted at the AMC. Oh, that was the water bottle. How do you take your margarita? I like a spicy with a salt rim. And classic.

Or do you like some mango maybe, some blood orange, strawberry? No. No, what about you? On the Rock. at home state at 4 p.m. on a weekend. Very nice. Very nice. Not blended, not iced.

No, I don't like a frozen. I mean, it's fine, but it's sort of like the head rush to, the intended head rush versus the frozen headrush ratio is off in a frozen margarita for me. Okay. Well, this has been instructive. This movie was tabbed to be one of the big hits of the fall. Yeah.

And it was tracking as high as $46 million on its opening weekend. and it made $30 million. Yeah. And that's a very big disappointment. I would say not generally for a movie that only made like $40 million, like 30 years ago, but based on the expectations around this movie, which continues this year-long cold streak that Warner Brothers is currently dealing with. Yeah.

Should they hire us to consult? Well, they had this amazing 2025, and now they kind of pushed all their movies that weren't going to work into 2026, and now they're not working. Now Digger comes out in two weeks. And then we get Dune. Do you know anyone who's seen that? Digger? No.

Yeah. I spoke to one person at Telly Ride who knew one person. Okay. Great. Okay. Any word of mouth from that? Yeah, they said it was great. It means absolutely nothing.

But that was a frequent topic of conversation in Telly Ride was do you know anyone who's seen this movie? And there was great debate over the weekend or this past week on whether or not it was a musical. And then Variety came out and confirmed that it is not a musical. Yeah. Though, as people online said, they would say that. Guillermo del Toro also said it was not a musical, and he has close friends with Inorritu. What's the better case scenario if it is or isn't? I really don't know at this point.

If it's a musical, that's an absolute torpedo to your life. That's the worst thing that's ever happening. But maybe it's so... I would be into it. Maybe it's so bad that it is actually what saves it. Yeah, I don't think it should be a musical. Okay, I don't think so either. That's not my impression.

Are you excited about Digger? Yeah. Okay. I like that kind of thing. Okay. How would you describe that kind of thing? Yeah, what is that kind of thing? bizarre, like insane.

Okay. The cat stuff was amusing to me in the trailer. Here's, I have, I have two theories on the practical magic too, underperforming, quote unquote. Okay. Number one is I think that it's, you know, it was a cult classic in its time, and it means a lot to Yasi, but it's not on the Devil Wars Prada 2 level of popularity. So just like the built-in, the style of audience. Devil Wars Prada was a huge hit when it came out. Exactly.

And it's become a, and it's like a four quadrant, you know, everybody loves it. And then number two is a little bit of the Matt Bellany theory of the press tour taking over the box office receipts where Nicole and Sandra were everywhere and it was a delight. And it was all over my Instagram. And I think it was this, the target audience of this movie was Instagram moms. I mean, let's see. The trailers were the Cat in the Hat, Hexed, the M. Night Shyamalan Nicholas Sparks movie. I leaned over to a minute. And I was like, why are there so many children's movies being advertised?

She's like, because moms come see this. A commercial for Armez lipstick. So, you know, but I do think that all the people that they hoped would go see this movie just watched Sandra and Nicole being completely delightful for the past two or three weeks. And we're like, okay, I'll catch it on streaming like I did the original. So, also I think it came out too early. Not that it was. I have a lot of thoughts about this.

Yeah, but I do feel like, I mean, it's an October film. You're right. However, this Friday's Resident Evil comes out, which I think is, the most anticipated horror movie of the year. And it's going to be September 18th, and I think it's right on time. I think it's going to run shit for two or three to be sitting in theaters. Practical Magic is trading on your nostalgia and love for Gilmore Girls Fall type situations. Over in LA, though.

Also, moms are dealing with back to school, you know? Like, we just can't really... What does that mean? I don't know. It's a little too early. We're still getting back in the groove of things. I feel like slightly... Well, sure, professionally.

I am a single mother of two of two animals. and I did make it work, you guys. Exactly. I was with many moms over the weekend at a school event. And I would say in a group of seven women, six of them, had seen this movie. So it did reach its intended audience. I think maybe is its intended audience not as big as they had hoped it would be. Eileen is the only other mom I know that has seen this movie.

I'm really sorry for the pink pussy hat to come right onto my head right now. But do you think that it's at all possible that they just do not try as hard, when they're making films for women. No, no. I think men get a movie like this every week. There's like tons of junkie, revived reboot stuff that comes out all the time for men. And some of it is that they just...

I just said Masters of the Universe. You know what I mean? Like, we do this all the time. Oh my God, I'm so excited for Street Fighter. I am too. The trailer, like, knocked my socks off. Well, that's great. It's better.

It's so Rage. I was sitting with Bree and she's younger. And I was like, Gail. I was like, Honda. Y'all Honda. And she was like, how do you know every... It's the most... this every day of my life.

Do you know the ritual of naming some dudes? Are you familiar with that idea where guys will just sit around in a basement just naming old baseball players as a way to feel connected about actually talking about their feelings? It also happens with the Cincinnati Reds on this podcast. Chris and I do it all the time. It's the most naming some dudes of video game trailers where it's just like they're just showing you everything you remember specifically about the game and being like, don't you want this? Don't you want to have this exact experience?

I did. Don't you want to hear the sonic cue from the game? Zangief? I was like, oh, let's go. They're all there. scene, they're all there. Sorry, that was a diversion.

But that movie, I think, is operating in a similar fashion to this movie, which is hoping that if they jingle the keys of your youthful and discretion, hey, OASIS Don't Look Back in anger, did it too. This all feeds back into my theory about

millennials and power. That it's like, we waited a long-ass time and there's enough decision makers in their 40s who are like, you know what matters? My childhood. Yeah. And that's what a lot of this stuff is pushing towards. It's a lot of it like, you know what? I remember 1998. How can I get 1998 on screen right now? Did they remake the craft?

They did remake the craft. Not very successfully. Missed that one. Another fall classic. Can I just say one last thing about Oasis because I feel remiss that I didn't mention it? Of course. One of the best and most emotional parts was the Stone Roses bit where it very cleverly

showed their origins and what made them start a band and then because Gary Mani Moonfeld, may rest in peace, died during the tour and it was so emotional. them dealing with that. And I wore my shirt and I just realized I didn't even bring it up and I would be remiss if we didn't celebrate the Stone Roses and Gary, Manny Moonfeld, on this podcast.

Thank you for sharing that. You're welcome. Let's talk about Sandra Bullock. Okay. Sandra Bullock, indisputably, one of the 20 biggest movie stars of the last 30 years. She's so good. Is she one of the 10 biggest movie stars of the last 30 years?

It's a conversation. Yeah. And yet, as I pondered this episode, and I thought about a Hall of Fame, I found it would be really hard for us to achieve the goal of the Hall of Fame episode. Is it because so many of her films are women's interest? No, it's because so many of them are not good.

Yeah. And... This is a miscongeniality or razor here. That's subjective. Well, it's also the good ones end. And miscongeniality is 2000. I'm looking right now, and I think like... The Lakehouse?

What are your favorite 21st century Sandra Bullock movies? I looked at your list, going to be so keep it so real with you. I've only seen one of these films. Well, the list that I made is just films that she's made in the last 10 years. Okay. Or in the last eight years. She's made two, four, six movies. Those six movies are Oceans 8, bird box, the unforgivable, the lost city, bullet train, and now practical magic too. Now, she's raising a family. She's got gobs of money. She can do whatever she wants.

She had a partner that was very ill and that she had to care for. She I'm not trying to tell her how to live her life She gave us speed She gave us while you were sleeping You know she gave us many movies that people really like Actually the proposal was good I don't care for the proposal

But many people do it was huge I showed it It was Ryan Reynolds when he was still like In his Ryan Reynolds bag You know and she is great Listen gravity is excellent Gravity and the heat in 2013 I think is kind of like Her last her second apex

where she goes back to the absolute top of Hollywood. Yeah. And in a way, you get this sense that she was kind of like, okay, like I did it. Like, I absolutely scaled the mountain. Now I want to have a little bit of my life back, which is very understandable. But it's a dodgy filmography. Two weeks' notice is good. Two weeks notice is like a classic.

And if Donald Trump were not a cameo at the end, then it would be, like, it would be rom-com, hall of fame. Did we put it in the canon? I don't think we did. I don't think we did. It's really good. But I think that was us not being honest because it's really good. Okay, sorry, I'm done with that. What do you think, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you, what,

you said she's one of your favorites. Right. What is it about her that you like so much? I think, I actually wanted to ask you guys, since you're so knowledgeable about working actresses and movie stars and stuff, she just has like this every woman quality, this girl next door, charm, humor, but also luminous, beautiful, like oozing. charisma, but you don't feel intimidated by her. She's, it's just like, she's such a package, and I'm like, racking my brain to be like,

who's a comp? Maybe Jennifer Warren. It's because she also does the... Oh, a contemporary comp? A contemporary comp. Yeah, like a gal. Basically, I'm trying to be like, do they make this kind of actress anymore? She's not on the level, but the best part and maybe only good part of One Night

Only is Monica Bavarro. And she has, like, super, super, super beautiful. beautiful, but in like a very winning and like sort of relatable, not threatening sort of way. I haven't seen that. I've only seen her in the Bob Dylan movie. She was great. Yeah, she's good in. So that's like the closest comp, but Monica Barrow has not, you know, I mean, she's been

nominated for an Oscar. She's very good in what she's in, but not Sandy level yet. Yeah. Although, I mean, there's somewhat similar in that they both were, I guess, like a little bit later to launch. You know, Sandra Bullock was 30 when Speed came out, which is obviously still very young. In Hollywood? She's a senior system.

She had been in AARP. In many films in Hollywood. She'd been in a bunch. She was in, like, Demolition Men before that thing called Love, like wrestling Ernest Hemingway. She'd been in movies before that. But it took her a little while in launch. I think Monica Barbar was like 33, 34 by the time. She really got in Top Gun Maverick and the Bob Dylan film.

So I think that's a really good comparison. Yeah. And, yeah, they have that very similar, like, hot brunette, but also bring her home to mom quality that you could see. She's not quite as funny though, is she? She's not. She's a great comedian. She's a great comedian. She's a good physical comedy. She's really good

with verbal dexterity. She has instant chemistry with almost any opposite number in any film that she's in. Except for Leapace. I thought they were fine. Listen, she was going through a lot. You know, and was he trying to steal her magic or not? And he did give her custard, you know? That was sweet. He pretty new. And she, I always thought she had a little bit of trouble choosing filmmakers.

Like, she was pretty good at choosing, you know, for example, I don't know if we can get a close-up. Yeah, forces of nature. She went opposite Keanu. She went opposite Ben Affleck. She went opposite Bradley Cooper. She went opposite Nicole Kidman. She went opposite Chris O'Donnell. Like people who were like hot at the time, you know.

What happened to Chris O'Donnell? He owns Pizana, right? He does? Yeah. Chris O'Donnell owns Pizzer. Yeah, he's definitely on one of the CSIs or one of the... Oh, my God. Good job, Chris O'Donnell.

We love Pizzeros. And then... He was an important figure in my youth. I'm pretty sure. Chris O'Donnell... Sorry that I digress. Yeah. You unlocked a sense memory.

Okay. That's... Good job. That's a major part of what he's up to. Okay, sorry. I've always been very fond of murder by numbers, which I saw in theaters with my wife. Of course. Ryan Gosling very early on.

I believe they had a thing together. Yeah. That was a made, what do you call it? May December? Is that only when the man is... NCIS is what Chris O'Donnell was on, just so, you know, before the... You know, I watched those.

The Pizana. She appears in the Academy Award-winning film Crash. Sure. Which we all know and love? I don't want to talk about that film. I don't recognize that film. You know, Miss Congeniality, one of the biggest hits of its time. Yeah.

She's been in a lot of movies. I feel like movies like Hope Floats and Two If By See, like these movies were just a part of my childhood. The Blindside. Well, she won an Academy Award for the Blindside. Yeah. And she's in a best. Picture winner, which is Crash. And so part of her legacy is a bit tarnished by the unbeloved quality

of those movies, at least among movie freaks, right? Like, those are not, among cinefiles, those are not the most beloved movies. And so even though she's been in some cool stuff, Crash is, Crash is hot garbage. I'm not going to defend Crash here. Terrible. But she was also in Gravity, you know, and Gravity didn't win Best Picture that year, but it very well could have. and that movie is an incredible achievement that also rests like entirely on her shoulders in addition to the extraordinary technology that the Quarone has developed to make the movie. At the end. On the beach?

Yeah. Yeah. Me at the end of every day. Sure. Just a weird career. A big, huge successful career. And she's beloved. Do you think they just like wouldn't let her?

No. No, but like But be in like prestige films. No. I think she could do whatever she wants. Really? Then how come do you think she didn't do something? I don't think she's, I don't think she's interested in that, which is sort of what makes this an interesting challenge for us. Because on the one hand, you could say movie star playbook for Sandra Bullock, she's done it all. She's good. One best actress, been in the best picture film. She's in speed. You know, she's in while you were sleeping, two weeks notice, practical magic. All these beloved movies that are going to live for 30, 40, 50 years. On the other hand, it's kind of a.

weird filmography for somebody who's so talented and powerful. And so I found it a little bit challenging to think about it. But how do you think about her career at this point? I have been thinking a lot about her and this exercise that we're about to do in terms of Julia Roberts, who is a similarly beloved star from a similar generation who in the last 10 to 15 years has not been working as much and has been, you know, spotty and has done really interesting things and worked with Sam S-Mail and Ticket to Paradise was like a moderate hit. But, you know, like long breaks.

And I remember when we did do the Julia Roberts Hall of Fame that I think I fought for Ben is back because I think she's quite good in that, a movie that nobody saw. Right. But the last movie before that was like 2008, 2010, that there's like just a big chunk where same thing, raising a family. Exactly. Yeah. And also, you know, you get to a certain age in Hollywood.

and they're just the types of movies they make and the different types of roles. So I think that it is a little bit, you know, Julia Roberts probably picks better directors than Sandra Bullock does. I think her taste is way more interesting. Yeah, it is. But it's also spotty. And you especially, like you look in the 90s and some of the things she tries that just absolutely didn't work out. But I just think Ben is back, Luca and Sam is just way more interesting to me than whatever it is, Sandra Bullock's been doing.

Totally. Totally, but that they're also in a slightly similar spot. And, you know, to Yeraniasi's conversation, it seems like Sandra Billick is not really interested in doing like the Lukas and the SMAs and more experimental stuff. She wants to be more, you know, broad strokes. But I don't know if that's really serving her, given like the types of broad strokes movies that are being made in this day and age. That was something that I thought about a little bit, which is like her vision of her. stardom is a little bit lapsed, you know, like the kinds of movies that she could center her in that are $5,000, $500 million movies maybe don't work as well as they used to, as evidenced

by the Practical Magic 2, kind of underperforming. They barely even make them, right? You guys talk a lot about how they don't really make romantic comedies to that scale anymore, and that was really her superpower. It's like smart, well-done romantic comedies, and we just don't have those anymore. Yeah. So we don't spend money on them anymore. Also, she's 62.

Yes. So the lead in a smart, well-done romantic comedy, unless it's, you know, maybe... You could do it. I mean, listen. Like, something's got to give. Like, all the fancy mirrors of it all. Yeah, are about how there's some... Like, just because you're an older woman or older man doesn't mean there can be a story. But it may end up on... A $500 million blockbuster.

Yeah. But I think that speaks to what... Maybe what kinds of movies we would want to see her make. Cast Sandra Bullock and X-Men, you cowards. Who would she be an X-Men? Oh, brother. Are you... You're an X-Men person?

Did you tell you? Yeah, you talked about this. I grew up deeply reading the comics. Can I, like, maybe you don't have to go to X-Men school at some point? We can teach you. I can do it for you know? I love that. Professor Xavier's Charles Xavier's school for gifted mutants.

Yeah, Amanda, I think you would actually really love it once you think of it. You're kind of a gifted mutant. Thank you so much. It's myth. It's myth. It's mythology and just like, I understand all of that. I think you'd be into it. It's also like saved by the bell. It's like teens learning how to hang out with each other. No, I, I understand all of that. I just meant before the X-Men movies come out. Like maybe I, like, do boot camp and I, like, learn about the X-Men.

I'll give you all the Chris Claremont stuff. Okay. You'll love it. But I was like, can we build an episode around it? You should just watch the X-Men animated series with your son. You're really into this. That is the thing. Like, the X-Men series and then X-Men 97 are legitimately great.

You know, I mean a huge fan of this, too. No, I know. Like, everyone is. I'm not, it's not like, you just need to crack it. That's why I'm saying. You need to find a way. We have until May 2028. The thing is, is like, there's a chance that they're going to get the X-Men right with Marvel.

And if they do, that's going to be, like, the center of movie culture for five years. And I'm ready. That's what I'm saying. It's going to be a huge thing. Well, I was just like, I was having so much nostalgia for a while. Because I thought the first movie was really good. Yeah, when we were the Bryant Singer movie. Yeah.

And I'm like, I'm like, can we go back to that? Like, I'll be so happy. These are my friends. In theory, they can do better. Yeah, they can do better. I was trying to rack my brain for who. There's not an older. female, as far as I can tell, character

in the X-Men, which maybe says something about X-Men. Yeah. Well, it's about teenagers. Yeah. That's kind of the point. We already have a white queen. This weekend, I saw two adults dressed as Deadpool and Wolverine driving around Pasadena in like a red

buggy car. Yeah, that was me and CR. They did wave at Knox. So, they were like, Knoxis really like, hey! It was Sean and Chris's sidecar. What should we do with Sandy? Okay. Like, and now we're in charge of her career? Yeah.

Well, I mean, I have a couple of prompts. Mm-hmm. Okay. So one director she should work with. Yeah. Soderberg. That's exactly why I read now. Well, because, so for me...

Lynn Ramsey. Well, that would be good, too. Yeah. That would be really good. I think that's a great suggestion. Would she ever do that, I think, is a reasonable question to ask? I wrote Soderberg for an obvious reason, which is like, she was the only, Almost in a Soderberg movie.

That movie, Oceans 8, should have been directed by Steven Soderberg. Except, right, which again is to Yossi's point of, like, sometimes for women, they just don't try as hard. That was one where I was like, oh, I guess you, you know, you're not going to let the real person direct it. I will stand on A.Anne Hathaway Corner in Ocean's Age. She's amazing. Yeah. Everything else in that movie is a little... I mean, it's not Cape Blanchett and Sandy's fault.

Yeah, but all of those movies, I watch them until I die. I don't care. Even 8, though? It's like Ritcher. Eight is kind of an eh. It's fine. I like it. And I still like a heist movie.

She could make another heist movie. Make another Oceans. Have her show up in the prequel. I don't really care. But the Soderberg, in addition to that, you know, Julia Roberts is top of mind. So like give her an Aaron Brockovich. Or give her an out of sight, you know, like give her. He understands how to work with movie stars and bring out a different side of them.

Yeah. And it's like a change up, but also, you know, Stephen Stodderberg has made a lot of broad budget, you know, broad, broadly appealing movies. Yeah, and I think he could use one right now too. Yeah. But also, he knows how to shoot movies in 25 days. Not a huge time commitment, you know? The movie can come out in six months, you know, and you can say. And she has taken some chances.

Like, I don't want to run her down too much. Like she tried to do our brand is crisis, for example, with David Gordon Green, which is based on a documentary, which I thought was a really interesting idea. And a movie that just, like, if you made it a hundred times, like, it would have been better 98 times from the movie that they made. It just didn't totally click. I just, I want to do something like, our story. of left field like Todd Solon's You know like I are so sure He can't get a movie movie either right now

There's a whole story about that in the New Yorker Alan Rixon can you fund both my smoking cinema And also the Todd Solon's Sandra Bullock film that I will I'll write it fit in a Todd Salon's film What anyone can fit in a Todd Salon's film Well he's very good at refracting people's

That's what I'm saying That's what I'm saying I think she I love the Soderbergh I think it's great she would be so perfect. But wouldn't it be cool in the like

third, fourth quarter of her career to see her just do something so wildly different? Yeah, I was trying to think about this is related to what genre should she do,

but I was like, what if you just dropped her into a Robert Eggers movie? Like, would that work? Like, could she pull that off, you know? Could she do a Danish accent? I think she needs to be able

to still make jokes. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like she, well, they are, they are funny often, but I often wonder where the intention is. I think she would be very funny enough.

You know, like there is, the lighthouse is very funny. It's true. I think it's a very pitched up humor. You probably have to do an accent. She doesn't do a lot of accents, right? She's really, she's America's sweetheart. But just in terms of thinking about like how to get her out of her comfort zone, trying something with a director with a really strong idea of what they're doing that doesn't just let her rely on her inherent sandiness.

Totally. Yeah. Or like, oh my God. I mean, I'm going the other direction on one genre, which is like, again, and I'm just doing Aaron Brockovich here, but like a traditional courtroom, like legal Oh, yeah.

You know, like, be on the side of good. Basically, like, well, she was in a time to kill. Sure. So she has experience in that mold, but she was kind of playing the sideline in that one. Exactly. Give her the McConaughey part. Yeah.

Maybe don't have her give that speech. Now imagine they're white, you know? Remember that? Have you seen that? Sure. What did you think of a time to kill? I haven't thought of it one time since. Really?

Maybe, I mean. I think it's pretty stirring. Yeah. Some issues. Okay. It's good. I like Matthew McCona. Hey.

And I hope they burn in hell. Sam Jackson. Sure. Remember Kiefer Sutherland? I do remember that movie. Joel Schumacher. Filmmaker. Are you just naming stuff now?

Yeah. So what's the premise of your courtroom drama with Sandy? I mean, she's got to be exposing some sort of like, if it's not like environmental, you know, cancer causing whatever, as in Aaron Brockovich, then they were. I mean, probably that because of the different ways that the corporations, everything they get into, there's a chemical for everything. But what are some other, who's she avenging? Or who's, like, a legal partner or who's, like, opposing counsel who she's, like,

very flirty with, but they never really, you know, they have some history. Right. Right. Steve Bishammy. I was going to go for Clooney again, bring it back. Because Clooney could also use one of these, right? did the proper. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wrote clean you down too. You know, Hanks is 70, but I do feel like her and Hanks have the same kind of movie stardom, which is that they are funny and charming and seem a little normal, but also larger than life. But can play very serious if they need to, but can play very light if they need to. He's a little bit more adventurous in terms of the kinds of parts that he's taken on in the second half of his career. But I feel like they would be funny together.

Yes. I think so. But I have it for co-star, I have a different proposal. Okay. Timothy Shalamee, and we do a May December romantic comedy. They could work. You could see them throwing heaters at each other. You know who would have to direct that is Helena Rain, you know? Yes. Totally. But it should be funny. Like it can be a little messed up too, but they should be able to, I would watch it.

Who would you want to see Sandy opposite? This is a long pause. Yeah. I know. Well, I'm thinking about the kind of. of film that I want to see first and then I was like who would fit in that film honestly I think like a Jennifer Lawrence I would I would love to see her in a film that's like a meta film about

aging in Hollywood or something something that's like not quite as like the comeback not that funny but something that's like kind of a heightened like all about Eve yeah like I think I think that could be really cool but but still funny you know like a

medic, but also like serious. I don't know. Okay. It depends. Is Lynn Ramsey directing? And I'm writing it? Probably not okay at the end. Okay.

All about Eve remake with Sandra Bullock and Jennifer Lawrence is a lot. Yeah. That's a title wave. I don't know if you can, you can't really remake all about Eve. That's one of the most perfect movies ever made. But honestly, let him try. Yeah. You know, it's not, it's not my money.

We don't do remake it. You come up with a new, you know, a new story. A new spin. Yeah. Okay. That's pretty good. We have social media now. There's a lot of other layers we could add on to this.

One sequel she should make. So she just made a sequel and didn't really totally work. Now, this could be any sequel. It could be a sequel to any franchise. But from her films, is there one movie you think she should try to revive right now? You didn't say who you would want her to act the opposite. I did, Tom X. Oh, yeah, you did.

I also think, to your Salomey point, there's a Glenn Powell movie movie there too. Or Robert Pattinson. For sure. Could be amazing. He's a little kooky. I'm like, so she. Yeah, that's true. But I like the, like Patton's, Patenton could be doing Gosling, you know, 2000s Gosling also, which would be nice.

The thing about Glenn Powell and Sandy is that they're both, you know, like the girl and guy next door. So you need one. Yeah, you need like someone weird and someone. I love them both, but they kind of need to be paired with someone a little kookier, I think. Okay. That's just me. sequel. Okay. I mean, speaking up, murdered by numbers. Oh, wow. Are they in speaking terms, Ryan and Sandy? I don't know who Ryan Gosling is speaking to right now besides the Flintstones.

Yeah. Gosh. I hope that's going to be okay. I said while you were sleeping. And it's about a follow-up. Yeah. It's called while you were napping. Sure. And it's about a couple of 60-somethings. Sure. And it's also what happens when you have a relationship based basically entirely on lies and fraud? It's eyebrows guy? Peter Gallagher. No, this would be Bill Pullman. Yeah. But Peter Gallagher comes back.

The whole gang comes back. Oh, and so that is she... Their kids are sorting stuff out. One of their kids goes into coma. Oh. Yeah. A lot of comas for one family. Yeah. I don't think you can do coma again. What do you want to do?

Like frozen in a glacier? I don't know. I mean, listen, they got away with it with while you were sleeping, but just ethically, it's one of the 90s ones that we just really can't reheat. It's pretty bad. Okay. What are you remaking then? Or what are you sequelizing?

I already said murder by numbers. That's right. You have a sequel? I haven't even seen the first one, but let's say bird box. They did do a sequel, but she's not in there. Is it bird box end with her dying? I don't know. I didn't know.

I don't know. World acclaimed 500 million watched bird box. I think it ends with her dying. I just, like, we've had enough sequels. Let's make something new. Let's read the last sentence of the synopsis from birdbox. Okay. Although I did look.

What if we had the, what if we revisit the lakehouse? Mallory releases the birds and finally names the children Tom in Olympia declaring that she is their mother. She also happily sees her obstetrician. Dr. Lafam is among the survivors. Great. Congrats! Congrats to Mallory. Right for a sequel. Well, they made one.

I think it was a Spanish version, so it was like all these events but transpiring in San Sebastian or whatever. No, that's ICE. Eyes is, yes, Los Olhos. What? What? Yeah, I think that's true. Okay. I'll say for real.

It's called Birdbox. No, it's Burbox Barcelona. I'll say the Lakehouse. Because the Lakehouse was a wonderful film and made no sense and let's just, there's no, of course you could make a sequel because there's no logic and no time and no understanding. I'm going to read the last plotline of Birdbox Barcelona. It's still satisfying. Wow. Okay.

I'm just going to read context. That's the last line of Birdbox, Barcelona. It is revealed that the army has captured one of the creatures and a seer and are using the sears blood to try and create an antibody. Okay. And there hasn't been a follow-up? I don't think so. Okay. That's upsetting.

I... Yeah. I don't know. The proposal? I feel like this is the most obvious one. Or two weeks notice, maybe, and it's like you're, she is like a CEO again. Because Ryan Reynolds is so. bankable still.

Right. Sort of. But do people want to see him? You know how much money this movie made? The proposal made so much money. I thought you were going to say... Do you know how much money in Mayday made? Does he...

Does he still do... Like, hasn't he sort of shifted into a different kind of role as an actor? Like... Ryan Reynolds? Yeah. He's played Deadpool three times. He played Deadpool, but like... Free guy?

But like, yeah, doesn't... Has any... In May Day? Do you know about MENA? Corrected over to action and men's interest films or whatever. More or less. There is a slight touch of the men's sphere of what he's doing. The lovable romantic comedy guy is maybe not there anymore.

That's right. He was an if. Do you know about if? Imaginary friend directed by John. Oh, actually. Okay. I saw it and I loved it. Okay.

That's great. I'm sorry. Listen. He was inspirited with Will Ferrell. Oh, right. A holiday film. Yeah. Those are some recent movies that weren't actually.

action movies. Okay. But generally you're right. But it feels like the kind of craven thing that he would do to make the proposal to, right? Or Ryan Reynolds. All right. He's doing okay.

Do you think Sandy's going to do any of this stuff? No, I don't. Think she's listening? I hope not. She's like on vacation. She worked very hard. She did. Listen to her on Goodhang?

Yeah, delightful. I mean, another co-star, Amy Poehler. That would be delightful. They would be good. Yeah. Yeah. They were kind of auditioning for each other. in that episode in an interesting way.

Kind of like an ensemble cast comedy film a la Girls Trip with like, you know, several other funny women. Yeah. Let's sequelize Girls Trip, make it all white women. They all go on a girls trip. Why do they all have to be white? Well, because Amy and Sandra are white. There's three other slots.

Who else is going on? Did you see Spa Weekend? Quinta Brunson. I haven't seen Spa Weekend either. Spa Weekend was sort of white women girls trip, but spa weekend. And they were doing a marketing thing where they invited you to a spa for the day. But I know, but I was out of town. Which spa was it?

They didn't specify. I honestly. I'm also not really a spa person. Okay. Are you, are you? I love the spa. Yeah, but I can't sit still. It's part of like that I don't like being, you know, poked, you know.

I love it. Anyone, if anyone out there is offering spa trips to Amanda and she declines, I will happily pick up the spot. And they keep, they put cucumber in your water and they tell you to like relax, you know? I did a face mask last May where it's like we recommend that you be you said to have fun. So it was like you need to sit still and like take deep rest while you do this. And it was like you're not my boss. Like you're not here. I'm going to watch a Gene Hackman movie while I do this.

Okay. It was just a light suggestion. You don't have to do anything. Don't tell me what to do. The face mask overlords tell you to do. You're a spa girl. I love a spa. I couldn't spend the whole day there.

Anyway, spa weekend didn't really hit. So it seems nice. If you're fortunate enough to participate in spot. culture. That seems like a nice thing, right? What are you, like, on the street begging for change? You can go to a lot if you want to. Yeah, of course. I'm not saying anything about myself. It's available to you.

Okay, I feel like we've done yeoman's work here. Okay. This is a real, like, I need the good movies to start coming out moment here. We're like, we're right on the precipice. Yeah. It's almost going to happen. Yeah. We're just, we're days away from Resident Evil, you know? Then we get, we get prime time. We get some other stuff. Yeah, Digger.

Time time, Digger. Verity. What's Verity about? I keep seeing the Billboard's, but I have no understanding of what it is. Well, I don't want to spoil it for yourself. But so, it's, do you remember the trailer that we saw with Jake Jillen Hall and Phoebe Divener and it was M. Night Shyamalan and Nicholas Sparks? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm excited for that.

Yeah, so I think that is in the Verity zone. Okay. As I entertained it. But Verity is Josh Hartnett, Ann Hathway, and Dakota Johnson. Oh, Josh Hartnett. That's why I led with him. Do you think the bear revived him? I do actually think that the bear sort of brought him back that and then trap for those who know.

The bear revive who? Josh Hartnett. You just stopped listening to us? No, there were many things that brought him back. What else? Oppenheimer? Oh, that's right. Yeah.

I haven't seen Oppenheimer yet. forgot about that. He's very good at Oppenheimer. To finish Richard. Thanks for asking. Lawrence, come on. Yeah, yeah, very tall. He is tall.

He used to see him all the time at Max Fish being tall. tall and hot. What's next for you? In life? Well, whatever you want to promote. Yeah, well, we're going to have an Indie Sleeze Month on Bandsplain, my podcast. Can you define indie sleeves? Yeah, you know what? I've actually come around. This is a spoiler for Indiesleas Month, but I was very anti the term, because obviously you, a music writer, me a music writer, you a music participant. That didn't exist back then. We didn't call it that. We didn't call it that. However, there's no real shorthand for that scene and era. And it's not a bad one. I was like, like, okay, it was indie music and it was kind of sleazy. And I was like, that's fine.

Is it though? Yes. The music? The scene. The scene. And I do think Indy Sleeze was referring back to the scene. The music was kind of like high-minded. I thought. Music was all over the place. It was like everything from like the rapture to the strokes to the A. I had to TV on the radio. It hit, you know, DFA. It was. But anyway, so we're doing that. Sean and Amanda are both participating in Indie Sleys Month. So, you know, join us. Can we smoke on that episode? Yes. Actually, I don't know. I won't be there.

I don't know what the rules are at the Sycamore studio, but... I don't believe you can. Yeah. Okay, great. Well, thank you, Yossi. Thank you for having me. Thanks for producer Jack Sanders for his work on today's episode. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh for production support.

Hey, Amanda, thank you. You're so welcome, Sean. Thank you for thanking me. You're welcome. Later this week, time for Zach Krieger's Resident Evil. I'll be there. Will you? See you then.