The Big Picture - The Slasher Movie Hall of Fame, With Alex Ross Perry

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Sean is joined by Alex Ross Perry to discuss his new film ‘Pavements’ and the film festival hamster wheel (1:00). They then analyze the state of the slasher film subgenre (10:00) and the year in horror. Later, they run through the decades to build their slasher movie hall of fame (47:00), assessing the merits of stone-cold classics like ‘Halloween’ and ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre,’ as well as 90s era masterpieces like ‘Scream.’ Host: Sean Fennessey Guest: Alex Ross Perry Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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about slashers we have a very special halloween episode, Extravaganza, starring multi-time champion of the podcast, Alex Ross-Perry, writer, director, amateur professional podcaster. Hi, Alex. Happy to be here. You're in New York. I'm here in New York. Which is very exciting. Yeah. And big picture fans are everywhere. Is that true?

Well, I told you this last year. They approached you at the New York Film Festival, approach me, maybe now this year you as well. Happens again this year. I did. Just encounter rabid fans out in the world. I did have a man put his arm on my shoulder on the subway to interrupt me whilst listening to my AirPods. Wasn't the ideal experience I was looking for on the subway, but you know what?

He was a super nice guy. I've met a lot of nice people this week. Yeah, such as? What else you got?? He was a super nice guy. I've met a lot of nice people this week. Yeah, such as? What else you got? Just a lot of brutalist boys. Just a lot of bros. I sat next to a guy before a screening of Queer.

Shout out to Trevor. His name is Trevor. And Trevor saw me looking for a seat at the screening. He signaled to me to come and sit with him. And I sat down

and the first thing he said to me, and you will appreciate this, is, yo man, did you see the Sarah? The Albert Sarah documentary that is currently playing at the New York Film Festival. And he was like, you got to get in there. The vibes are incredible.

And he was a cinema bro. He was a true cinema bro. Do you think at this point now, Monday, after opening weekend, it's undeniable that all the Joker bros from a couple years ago are just shifting their allegiance to the Brutalist? Like, this's undeniable that all the Joker bros from a couple years ago are just shifting their allegiance to the Brutalist. Like, this seems undeniable to me. That's going to pick up the mantle of, like, that exact kind of guy.

I hope that's not true. Because they've grown up a little bit. That's true. It's been five years. Yeah, they've had a couple years to mature, and now they've gone. Like, they're done with Arthur Fleck, and they're moving on to Brady. Can I be their Arthur Fleck? That's really the question.

I mean, I think Brady is. Okay. All right. Well, where do I figure into this situation? Does Joker have a sidekick? Am I the Commissioner Gordon in this circumstance? Okay. Sure.

That's cool. You're here at NYFF because you have a film. Yeah. Which I don't want to talk too much about your film because it's coming out next year. Sure. But you have been on the Whirlwind Festival Tour. Pavements, your new quasi-biopic, quasi-musical hagiography of the band Pavement. And you were at Venice, and now you're at the New York Film Festival. You're going to be at more festivals over the next few months.

This is a weird thing. What is it like to have been on the road with the movie? Well, I've only just been in New York, and this is where I live. So it's not really the road with the movie? Well, if only just Venice and New York. Okay. And this is where I live. So it's not really the road yet. But if people want to come see it at BFI London, I don't know when this comes out. Does this episode come out in a minute? When's BFI?

It's like the 16th, 17th, and 18th. Of October? Yeah. That'll be over by the time this airs. Okay, so this is like closer. Don't come to BFI. Well, hopefully people came. Okay.

I know you have a footprint at the Prince Charles where the movie's playing. Oh, is that where it's playing? Yeah, one of the screenings is there's exciting so i'm excited yeah it's playing at afi fest in la okay and like dozens of others that are going to be fun that i probably won't be at but um why are we doing this here when we could have done it when you're coming for afi fest i don't know we fucked this i'm only there for like a day and a half okay that's why and i do to what we're going to talk about i I do want to try to finally see Universal Horror Nights, which I've never been to.

You know what? I haven't either. Okay, so. Maybe we should go. I have two nights in LA, the night of the screening and another night. Okay. And that is currently my only plan, unless I go alone, which was my plan. Maybe we could figure this out.

We should figure that out. I've never been. Supposedly, it's fun. You know, it's fun. Like, festivals are a funny thing like we're discussing for you for people in your position for amanda at venice last year you get to see four or five movies a day which is really my preference um you're secretly one of us despite being an artist yeah but i never have time for like my obligations always preclude quadruple

features nor do i have the energy or stamina at this point in my life. But if I'm traveling and I'm away from family, I could easily get in more movies in a day than I would. It's flattering, always. I mean, it's what you want to just have that invitation to come and present the work. I guess I always tell filmmakers who are younger some advice. What do you think of festivals? It's like just think of them as distribution. Like you say it'll come out next year and it will by and large.

But there's many places where it will touch down now for a festival and that will be the only time people in that city get a chance to see it. And perhaps people in that city, everyone who wants to see it can see it at two screenings. It doesn't need to play for a week. Do you think there's like an optimized way to see it? Like, is it better to go to a festival screening of a movie than just to see it at your local AMC or your local art house? I guess so. I don't know if we'll ever play in an AMC. And you know, some festivals are in AMCs though, so. Did Listen Up Philip get into the AMCs? No, no definitely not I think that our Chicago International

Film Festival screening is at either an AMC or a equivalent chain just some festivals are there okay you know it's funny like

it's a music documentary-ish obviously like a theater is a fun way to watch it but it's not like these at this point it's not like there's a lot of these things in theaters. So like, you're kind of making it

knowing that, and I say this as a rabid consumer of such films. Like, I probably haven't seen one in the theater in 10 years. Interesting. Nor have most people. Let's not encourage people to not go see them in theaters. Well, just a lot of them don't play in theaters. It's not even that I see one come out. And I guess that's not true. I saw Meet Me in the Bathroom in theaters. Well, just a lot of them don't play in theaters. It's not even that I see one come out. And I guess that's not true. I saw Meet Me in the Bathroom in theaters. Okay. It was released by our same distributor, Utopia. And that was really fun.

It was a really nice screening. And hopefully we can have fun events with discussions when the movie comes out. But, you know, most people by and large, like a lot of things, a two-hour documentary about a band or an artist or a celebrity that's really not a theatrical component these days yeah and that's just how it is like most distributors don't specialize in it that kind of 90s 2000s documentary boom just doesn't really exist and the ones that play are these like kind of feel-good pieces of marketing that you know you don't take seriously i don't take seriously so i don't take seriously, so I don't go see them.

Makes sense. It's a good thing though. I mean, I know. I mean, your film will be streaming. Yeah. I mean, I love the movie, obviously. I've been hearing about it for a very long time. I'm very happy that it exists.

It also like, I actively work on music documentaries. They're very hard to do. And this movie understands them and completely disassembles and annihilates them, which great yeah i hope so chris ryan saw it he did chris ryan one of the biggest pavement fans alive came to the concert that we had which was nice was where i met him after microphoning with him many times what do you think what was it like to be in his presence it's very exciting yeah i just i didn't know he's going to be there so it was nice you didn't make it i think that was when you flew here. I would have liked to have seen the band,

but I've seen, I saw them in 2010. So I feel like I checked off my pavement reunion situation. No, it's fun. Like for me, I love the New York Film Festival and I love many things, you know, respect from afar. The goal was like, you have to make a thing that is not, you know, how many of these kinds of movies play at these kinds of festivals? Two a year, maybe?

Like, it's just, it's not really where these things land. But that's where we wanted to land. So this little acceptance run is like, yeah, we made a film. We didn't make a promotional piece of marketing content that just is designed only for half-watching consumption on Netflix. We made a movie that is a movie. It'll be a movie however people watch it. What's more nerve-wracking for you? Is it waiting to see if a film gets into a festival or seeing the reception of the movie at the festival? Because at Pavements, the first night at Alice Tully Hall, the movie played great. People seemed to love it.

Yeah. Best screening we'll ever have, I'm sure. Think so? Well, we'll never be in a room that big again. Right. 1,200 people or so. Everyone knows that the band and many participants are there and you've got people on the crew applauding for their names and their collaboration. That's true. It's definitely what you want. I think I walked into that night feeling pretty confident. It's a nice room to claim ownership of for three hours. Nerve-wracking. I mean, it's funny.

I know Amanda likes, you know, you're the lord of Letterboxd. Am I? That's what she says. Okay. Unconfirmed. It's funny now, like, that has become such a forceful part of film response that, as I, erroneously, I thought that Bobby had written something on it, but I guess it was someone else. Possibly with the same name. We should look into this.

It's still on there. Is there a shadow Bobby? I swear to God, it was like, I swear to God, in like the roundup that we got sent, it was like, Bobby Wagner, Letterboxd comment, like, I don't want to freak you guys out, but Greta Gerwig is in this movie. And I was like, that seems like something he would say. It does seem like something I would say. It's definitely not what I said about the movie. There might be someone with the same name.

But like, finding out my identity has been stolen live on the Big Picture Podcast. It's always something new. But it's almost like, you kind of feel now, like, I didn't really know this because like the last time I did a movie was six years ago. But now with this, like so many of people's responses and engagement is 11.30 p.m. screening at this theater with the director introducing. Like it's so personal that I kind of feel like it's turning like filmmakers into Uber drivers where you're like, thanks, guys.

Just like, please leave a rating like you know if your experience was good today like five stars would really help us out um you know like if you have any problems like please like you know you don't have to like you don't have to voice your problems like maybe just don't give the you know like it's sort of becoming like this amplified thing but like but like it's cool because it's real time. Like, you know, listen up, fill up at Sundance. People are just searching for the movie on Twitter. Right. And it's like, who cares? And like now this is so much more geared towards movie discussion.

I have been asked if I can have comments I've left on a Letterboxd review cited on a poster for the marketing materials. For Megalopolis. Well, yeah, me and Steven Soderbergh collectively had a different reaction to that movie. But, you know, I kind of want to be like, fuck off. Like, I'm obviously just having fun in this environment, but some people take that app differently. So the responses are fine.

I mean, it's all good. Like, I just want people to take it seriously, but not that seriously because we didn't take, you know, it's not a very serious movie. But I hope people watch it. And I appreciate a few minutes to talk about it. You have a huge reach. And this will only help people feel like the movie is coming.

It is coming. Yeah, it's coming. Utopia and then Mubi is doing other places around the world and streaming. And I'm just glad it's over. Congratulations. So long as like the Chris Ryans of the world, the diehard Pavement fans, who show up and say, I haven't seen them since 97.

We missed two reunion tours. That's how ground floor he is. So long as people like that see it for what it is, I think we did a fine job. Okay, how do I elegantly pivot to slashers? It's an important question. Well, you don't have to. I mean, slasher, you know,

this could just be a conversation that somebody... Stumbled into? Like a boring conversation at the beginning of a slasher movie and then like turns out like you know then there you go you did it the doorbell rings and it's like what's going on yeah um i wanted to talk with you about slashers for a variety of reasons one i think you're a world-class expert on all things horror we were just down at kim's video recording a video and talking about horror movies um uh in addition to being an expert i find that slashers are in this really interesting place they obviously have i guess arguably a hundred year lineage but maybe something closer to like a 70 year lineage in movies and they the two interesting ones can't have come out this year um the first of course is

uh terrifier 3 which is the third film in the terrifier series not come out this year. The first, of course, is Terrifier 3, which is the third film in the Terrifier series. It has not come out. Or is it screened? By this moment, it will be out. Oh, okay. Okay.

So, there's Terrifier 3, which is a Damien Leone. I still haven't seen two. I've only seen the first one, so I don't know. Really? Yeah.

Okay. Well, I'll fill you in. I assumed you hadn't seen three too, but, you know. Yeah, I'm kind of hoping that someone screens two and three together. I think that that is happening.

I just missed it. You know who I think is doing that? Fathom Events? AMC. Okay, great. Which is hilarious when you understand

what the Terrifier films are. But that's kind of where Terrifier made all of its money. It did. It was in those mainstream. It played like 800 theaters and somehow made, I think north of $12 million,

Terrifier 2, which made it really one of the independent horror events of the decade. And now the third film in the series is coming out this month. And it's sort of like a true blue slasher in extremis. Like it is so absurdly over stylized in its kill sequences and so gory that, you know, the marketing is always oriented around people getting really sick and vomiting in the aisles. I've seen the third movie. I liked the third movie not as much as the second film.

The second film does feature this, like, remarkable centerpiece kill sequence in a bedroom. The first one has, like, a totally remarkable centerpiece. This new one, the best kill sequence in my opinion. Well, there are two. There's, like, shower kill scene that is excellent, and then the opening scene is amazing. But then that movie is really more in your like standard if you're obsessed with the tom savini's of the world you kind of marvel at the practical

effects and then the other one is in a violent nature have you seen in a violent nature i did finally catch up with it yeah it's like like everything i miss it and then i'm eager for it to come out and then we waited long enough that my wife was like, well, now we just have to wait until it's horror season. Like we're not going to watch this movie in August if we can just wait a month and then watch it when the Halloween decorations are up. So we watched it fairly recently. So In a Violent Nature is directed by Chris Nash. It's his debut feature. I had him on the show, I think in May when the movie first came out. I just had to have that interview, like sitting on there waiting. I was like, I'll see the movie at some point

and I'll just listen to this. Did you hear it? Yeah, as soon as I like, maybe the day after I finally watched it, I was like, now I can finally listen to this interview. You're a good friend. So that movie is sort of a deconstruction, sort of a big wet kiss to the slasher movie.

And they operate like both kind of on the fringes of the mainstream horror. I would say those two movies live. And slashers over time have been some of the most popular horror movies. And so at times they have been like really the outskirts of the genre. Like what's your relationship to the genre in general? Well, I'll say like, is this coming out? Are you guys doing like your, you know, I'll send you a message and be like what's like the halloween recommendations episode this year that'll be the weekend before the week before this episode

comes out um because you know i look forward to that uh chris and i will be doing it i promise helps me helps me fill in the gaps so i do miss things um you know it's funny like i think as is obvious for me and for anybody like as we were just talking about when you and Chris came to film down at the Kim's video collection that I've sort of resuscitated in a, in a, you know, the killer's back for another, another sequel kind of way.

It was kind of a Jason S return. Yeah. Down at the Alamo in Manhattan with Sean Price Williams and bringing the collection that we used to work with back as we were talking about with you guys down there like

if you're a teenager and you're getting into horror movies this is where you go this is chapter one maybe you're seeing Poltergeist

or some other totemic haunted movie but by and large, most people's curriculum of the beginning of their horror life is, I should see these 10 horror movies, these five movies that are slashers. So they're just kind of fundamental.

I mean, you know, there's not a lot you can... If you've made it this far, you probably don't need us to talk about what slashers mean to us. But to me, they're just like they're the purest they're the the best oftentimes they're the simplest oh this reminds me i have a present for you oh that i can give you on mic oh my gosh my backpack i'll get it um i forgot about the present uh that i deliberately wanted to you know give you during the show for good content

material especially now that we have video. Is it slasher related? Sure. Yeah. Okay. What do you say about something that's like inextricably linked from your love of a genre that you love deeply? That's unrelated to what we're talking about. That's a Pavement Museum sticker that, or a magnet.

But, you know, you'll remember what this is, but. Oh, yes, of course. I forgot. So this is a Profundo Rosso, a.k.a. Deep Red, button. That's a magnet. There's a button stuck to the back of it. Oh, wow. Okay.

And this is also Deep Red. This is not Kill Baby Kill, right? That's right. Yeah. Okay. So this is obviously the Dario Argento movie. Yeah. And you got this where?

I got this for you in Rome, where I was on my way to Venice. Argento, I guess in 88 or so, 89, started a video store in Rome. And then the basement of it is a chamber of horrors with props from his films and many other films he produced or worked on or films made by protégés of his. And I went there and I bought myself a fair amount of merch and i was tasked with getting you a t-shirt and they didn't have shirts in the size you requested you really fucked me on that well i didn't know if you wanted the one that i ended up getting which was you wanted one with like the the store's logo which is on the magnet which is very classy and the one i got is a photo of the girl on her knees from bava's demons and then

it just says in italian the chamber of horrors of dario argento and i wore this to the new york film festival the other day in the span of my time out two people asked me if they could take a picture of the shirt as i wore my jason goes to hell shirt specifically because i know you love the film so much i don't i don't like jason goes down and we've talked about it yeah you agree that friday the 13th is an unimpeachable franchise. No, it's wildly flawed. Another three-star film in a franchise lousy with them. But, you know, slashes are just the ultimate.

But, like, I really don't even know what to say beyond that, except, like, they've almost become quaint now. And I think that's kind of a boring thing because they've been replaced by stuff that I like far less. So something... This is why In a Violent Nature was so awesome to me.

I'm glad to hear that you liked it. I assumed you would like it. Yeah, I thought it was great. Like, it's the rare thing where you wait four months to watch something that is overhyped and then you watch it

and it exceeds your expectations. Yeah, I felt the same way. It's very special when that happens and you're just 10 minutes in. I'm like, I can't believe no one ever thought of this before. Same thing you think when you watch Blair Witch. You're like, I cannot believe no one ever thought of this before. Same thing you think when you watch Blair Witch.

You're like, I cannot believe no one ever thought. What if I make a slasher movie that you just follow the killer in between the scenes and just see what he does? He just does nothing. He just wanders slowly from place to place. Like what an incredible idea. This is all I've ever wanted to see.

It is a very, very smart take on those kinds of movies. It's funny because they have, these movies have recurrences and hallmarks. You know, often teenagers under attack, under this veil of morality. Sometimes they're, you know, aggrieved or psychotic killers. Sometimes there's a supernatural element. Sometimes there's not. In some of the franchises, it kind of varies back and forth

where it becomes a very supernatural franchise and then it reels back to something that is either more ethereal or more straightforward do you have like a preference for this kind of slasher no you know like if it's like them all if it's good it's if it's good it's good i mean i'm pretty happy to go along for the ride obviously i like the most you know like a real meat and potatoes kind of movie. And these are the obvious ones that will soon be citing, I'm sure. The video thing makes me really uncomfortable. I've been, now I've been getting like, you know, I did all these video interviews for the New York Film Festival.

And I know that I'm like a fidgeter, but watching myself on video, even like a few minutes at a time, I'm like sent a three minute clip of me on the red carpet and it's like my hands never stop moving i touch my face like every five seconds and like it's just unbelievable how unappealing it is to watch yourself you're actually making me feel calm because i have like shaky leg for sure yeah yeah and always i am constantly resetting how i sit um is the subject matter making you nervous at all? No, no, I'm very... I feel like you should be at home here. Yeah, I am.

I mean, you know, the only problem with all this festival stuff is it's been taking away from a horror movie a night. I was honestly thinking about that. Under normal circumstances at this time of year, I'm doing the same thing as you. Man, I have many blackout days of no horror movies at home in the weeks ahead with festival travel. You're lucky because you have a very willing partner you know your your wife is a really and she'll sit with you through no we started like september 15th we got a little bit of a head start is your kid gonna get into horror movies you think um well so she i think is into it you know there's a lot of like kids entertainment that is spooky adjacent and she likes all of that someone recently sent me

a playlist of old-timey spooky cartoons skeleton dance things like that yeah yeah sure and she just saw it on my computer and started watching them and she was into it kind of sat in my lab and just kept watching them i think she's ready for it um she's very intrigued by the presence in the world of beetlejuice oh who because of a band called ghost who i work with a lot who i made a concert film with that came out this year a similar black and white corpse painty figurehead and we have a lot of ghost stuff around the house she thinks that he's the same so she believes in ghost you Ghost. You know, big black circles around the eyes. Yeah. Three and a half years old.

What are you going to extrapolate? Well, when Beetlejuice Beetlejuice came out, I was saying that that movie for a lot of people, probably myself included, I was six when that movie

came out, was a gateway to a certain kind of horror. That's not a slasher movie. No. Although there are some amusingly fun, practical effects

that are very slashery. Actually, very Terrifier-y. The Geena Davis ripping her face off feels like something you might see in Terrifier. She's ready. I don't know for sure. It feels early. For Beetlejuice, but I will say for those kids looking to put on some Halloween stuff, there's something on Disney Plus that's like stop-motion Mickey and Friends telling spooky campfire stories.

Oh, we've seen it. It's really good. Oh, yeah. We've seen it. It's really good. Oh, yeah. We've seen it many times. It's quite strong. And it's like five three-minute ones and then like a 30-minute one. Yes. The 30-minute one is like all oriented around a witch, right?

Yeah. And they're like all dressed up for Halloween. Yeah, they all turn into their Halloween costumes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's really good. So she likes stuff like that. And a show on Disney Plus also called Vampirina she really likes. Oh, yeah.

We haven't watched that. Okay. It's like a little vampire family. Do you remember the first slasher you ever saw I mean any memory I have at this point I assume is probably false like I couldn't tell you if it was putting on Halloween or yeah I don't know I mean I just couldn't even begin to guess we've talked about this before like because we grew up in the moment of Scream like it's not possible that Scream was the first slasher that I saw because I would have been 12. So I certainly would have seen other ones on video by that point.

Did you see it in theaters, Scream? Scream? Yeah. Do you think it's the first slasher you saw in a movie theater? Oh, definitely. And we talked about that also because for us, there had been no mainstream horror for five years in movie theaters at that time. So it hit exactly when we were wanting to go to the theater with friends and be scared. But I'm sure I saw all those movies around the same time. I've told this story many times,

but since I'm wearing the Profundo Rosso button and I have the magnet now, because I saw Scream in a movie theater and I was 13 or 14 when it came out, that kicked off an obsession beyond just video store interests and i'm sure that that led very directly into seeing all of those argento movies and that when people were like do you want to watch this hatchet killer movie i was like absolutely that sounds like

great content to me yeah scream is more of a syllabus than a cul-de-sac exactly like watching the halloween movies on sci-fi channel marathons late at night, while delightful and upsetting for me in a suburban house, is a cul-de-sac. It's not like you watch them and you're like, oh, now I need to see 10 other movies. Maybe you watch the first one and you think, now I need to watch the rest of the franchise. But I do feel like the role of the slasher now, as you're saying, kind of is like anything, evolve or die. Because the sort of bunch of people go to a location and get picked off one by one i don't know how exciting that would be to people people seem to want more

from their horror movies these days not me but did you ever think about making one in this mode yeah i mean that'd be that'd be the kind of thing i would want to make the problem is i say having you know put my foot over the line of trying to do this is like, people just want deeper meaning in a horror movie now, which I am resistant to and don't care about as an audience member. And I certainly don't care about it as a creator. It says, yeah, I remember when Ty was making X, he was like, yeah, I just need, you know, it has to be something unelevated. It's time to unelevate what the genre has become. And that's exactly what he did. And it's remarkable. when Ty was making X, he was like, yeah, it has to be something un-elevated. It's time to un-elevate what the genre has become. And that's exactly

what he did. And it's remarkable. I would say that Terrifier is the same. That's what I liked about the first one. Yeah, Terrifier is kind of bereft of meaning

on purpose and that it is just like a pure frenzy of pain. Yeah, I don't know. In a violent nature, did you think in a violent nature that you could read into it a lot of deep ideas if you want to right you could but i mean

you don't have to do enjoy you don't have to okay it's it's not about those ideas yeah i guess that's true the starting point of that is this aesthetic conceit which is done incredibly what do you think about that though because i've heard you talk about this sub-genre before, like, memorably appeared on Blank Check episode about Halloween. You know, Halloween is a movie that has held up against various forms of

interpretation over the years. Like, that's a movie that has had dissertations, you know, deep studies of film history pitched against Carpenter's movie. Like, is that something that you're interested in exploring when you see one of these movies or do you just want to be entertained? I mean, I just want to be entertained,

especially now where I can barely stay awake through the end of the day. Yeah, I mean, I'm not like a, you know, I'm not a philosopher. And this is like, the answer to your question is why I say what I'm about to say and people always twirl at me, but say, oh, that can't be true. It's like like I'm not a cinephile cinephiles want to watch

anything and look for deeper meaning and make connections of his you know I can do that if I if my brain takes me there but mostly I'm just there for what I liked about in a violent nature which is just this is visceral aesthetic playfulness that is both violent, upsetting, and original. That's what I'm here for. Like, I don't need to think that much about it. Like, I don't know. It just feels very, my brain doesn't have enough bandwidth anymore to do those things. But then, like, I don't know.

People enjoy thinking about stuff that way. It's just like, I don't know. I don't know how to think about things that way anymore. And like, another recent one that I'm sure is kind of the same that I missed that I'll catch up with this year was Thanksgiving. That seemed pretty back to basics. I really enjoyed it. I know.

And I really wanted to see it. And I don't know why I didn't see it last November. It just kind of passed me by. Yeah, I think I, to 90% of slashers, I don't want to say I check my brain at the door, but I don't spend a lot of time analyzing what it means. Thanksgiving is a good example

of like, it's a pure throwback movie. It's an homage to a very specific sub-genre of slasher, which is sort of like the holiday slasher. But it was a movie

that I was there just for the kills. I was there for fun kills and the kills are really fun in that movie. And I, the thing I've attempted to make a few times both is and is not. Like, there's a meaning behind the idea that I had,

but another idea I had was, like, what if I just made a 95-minute movie with a lot of gnarly violence in it? That, yes, I could explain, like, the other thing it's about, but also, like, who cares? Right. The thing that's, like like so we watched um not as prep for this but i know i know you're a big vhs fan i am of the series yes i haven't seen the new one yet yeah we watched it last night because i thought maybe it would come up yeah i still

haven't caught up with it how was it it was really good yeah i feel like they're all at a minimum good they've we realize like three segments in that this one, I don't know if this is just because the franchise has become too important or too dependable, but usually like the edges get sanded off of things and they get worse. Now it's like Shudder takes this so seriously that they just don't have terrible segments in them anymore. Yeah, yeah. Like everything is like three segments in when you're like, there hasn't been one that five minutes in you're like, oh god this one's gonna be rough like and they're kind of all great but during one of them and this one has a sort of sci-fi conceit okay which i was really nervous about because i don't really care for or need that not like you know you're saying some slashers become like fantasy or supernatural like not that but like sci-fi conceit i was like ah what how's that gonna go and everyone was kind of

perfect do you remember who made that one they're all sci-fi the entire oh the whole that's the conceit of this beyond represents science fiction like all five of them are vaguely sci-fi adjacent okay vhs beyond is the is it the fifth or the sixth edition could be the seventh seventh wow do you think you could name them off the top of your head no v. VHS, VHS2, VHS8. SVHS. SVHS, excuse me. 85. I think there's 85, 94, and 99. Was there a 99?

I think so. 99. So this could be 7th. Is that 7? Well, if there's 1, 2, and S. 1, 2, S. And then 3 with the years. Right. And there might have been a 94.

This could be 8. Looks like Bobby's got an answer. There is a 94. Is there a 99? there's a 99 as well an 85 uh beyond what you guys mentioned there's also a vhs viral in 2014 viral yeah so is this the eighth vhs film or the ninth i only count seven okay it's a lot I mean, catching up to some of the most hallowed slasher franchises. And now it's like an annual treat. Like,

this is an event to drop these on Shudder, but there was one that we were watching. They're all slashers in a way. Everyone is dead by the end of every one of them. Yep.

Not a spoiler. And then three minutes into one of them last night, my wife just goes, all these characters are pleasantly detestable. And you're just like, yeah, I'm excited for them to die.

Like every character that I've met in the last three minutes, I am now already just eager for their demise. Which to me is like wonderful slasher logic that if you're not building a movie around Final Girl or a franchise starter, that's what's fun about these. It's like,

what I'm enjoying about this is that every one of these characters is probably going to die in the next 20 minutes. It's always great too how, you know, a number of

good or great actors have started their careers in movies like this. You know, Kevin Bacon in Friday the 13th, part two, right? No, he's in part one.

He's in one. Is often cited. You know, Jennifer Aniston in Leprechaun. You you know there are a lot of examples of that um and the the sort of like i believe this run of i believe that you're doing a bit from maxine she's like famous actress who got their start that is that is a bit from maxine for sure um there's something primal about the caprioCaprio in Critters 3. True, true.

Something primal about the ugliness of the actor persona that is ramped up. When it's like playing an annoying teen who only wants to have sex is the mode that you're pitched into when you're a 19-year-old ingenue. It's kind of ingenious. It is, yeah. It's a diverse thing. I bring you your Profundo Rosso stuff. The Giallo movies, we just watched this Blu-ray that I bought. All the Blade in the Dark.

It's a Lamberto Bava movie, which was fine. But it's people in a house, and one by one they get killed. And you're kind of like, who's doing it? That's it. That's the template. It's either based on the characters or it's based on the killers. And you can kind of have it both ways. Yeah, I feel like this isn't very interesting.

No, I do. I feel like this is just like, we both love, you know, it's like, what do I love about them? Like, just vibes, man. Like, I just love watching them. I do think there is a whole philosophy of these movies.

I just don't know if that philosophy is real or forced upon the subgenre because people love these movies so much. They't know if that philosophy is real or forced upon the subgenre because people love these movies so much. They're so persistent. You know? Yeah, I mean,

I saw this movie last year at a marathon that I think is just called Nightmare. Mm-hmm. You know this movie? I do. It's like a deeply...

It's the one on the box, the hands, right? I don't know the box because I saw it in the theater. Oh, yeah. Okay. I think it's just recently been... Shortly after the screening, I think it came out on Blu-ray. Okay.

With a whole bunch of features. But it was like, you know, a deeply Freudian, psychological mess of a character. But it's also just really violent and 85 minutes long. And it's like, kind of have it both ways. I don't know. Some of these things are pretty incredible. It is kind of the sour candy of horror movies, you know,

where sort of like, I'm not sure this is good for me, but I can't stop eating it and I'll always get it if I can. And if there's a new one, I run towards it immediately. Yeah, it's pretty fun. Like there's,

at the, there's an all 35 millimeter drive-in that I love out in central Pennsylvania called the Mahoning. And they do Labor Day weekend every year Camp Blood which is all slashers yeah and I've gone to this I missed it this year due to being in Venice which was very upsetting for me a very lousy trade-off in my opinion ultimately of um

what a bummer having to go to Venice to debut your film well they were showing all 10 Friday the 13th films across four nights. You can watch those any night of the week, Alex. I know, but the thing is like all the nerds there know that Five never screens on 35. That's true. And apparently the print they had was like Spanish subtitled or German subtitled or something. Okay. But I've gone every year to that since 2019.

And it's just, yeah, a triple feature of slasher films. And the lineup is always like yeah you're watching toby hooper's funhouse you're watching sleepaway camp you're watching pieces it's perfect night like three different movies a bunch of people get killed in each one they're all the same length what more what more do you want you wouldn't necessarily have the same joy of watching a triple feature of fill in the blank other kind of movies. Right, Bergman movies.

Well, that would be a different kind of experience. But like, you know, three supernatural movies, that would be fun. And that's certainly something you could do. And they do do it out

at the Mahoning also. And I miss that also for being in Venice. They did like a supernatural weekend. But like, you know, like three exorcism movies in a row.

You'd see a lot of the same thing. And like three slashes in a row, it's like, well, Funhouse takes place at a carnival and Sleepaway Camp takes place at camp. These are totally different movies. This is great here. I'm getting a real diversity of experience. I'm glad you see it that way. I mean, I feel similarly.

Setting is like a crucial part of these movies. Camp is a recurring space for films. Camp is good, yeah. Camp and sororities and high schools. These are like a common setting for these movies. Do you have a favorite setting for the first slasher? Jeez. I mean, I just...

My favorite setting is the suburbs because it upset me the most as a kid who grew up in a similarly anonymous place. That's not like if someone was like, you can pick one to make. It's not what I would pick, but it's the ones that affect me the most because those houses look the most. I didn't grow up down the street from a slaughterhouse in Texas. Where do you think these start?

Start? Yeah. What is the first slasher in your mind? Because there's some debate about this. Yeah, I feel like sometimes on Criterion, they'll put up like 30s or 40s horror movies. And it's like this proto slasher. Like we just watched one of these like earlier this year

that I will never remember the name of, but it was like showgirl and like people were being picked off one by one in the show she was in. God, I wish I could remember the name of this, but certainly no chance I could do that. I don know i mean i don't know that's like that's a critical question that's not i mean that's like either a nerds behind the counter question or like a critical analysis question well you're one of those at least you know i am one of those but

yeah i don't know i mean i'm sure there's like movies in the 50s where people get killed one after the other I feel like if your movie doesn't have blood then it can't be a slasher right but movies couldn't have blood for a while so then they didn't exist then yeah but it's like what defines it blood and visceral kills

or like a series of circumstances where people are killed one at a time by a masked killer who is eventually unmasked or stopped like that is a very you know how like sometimes on AI it'll be like where people are killed one at a time by a masked killer who is eventually unmasked or stopped. Like that is a very, you know how like sometimes on AI, it'll be like,

you'll see like a thing that gets sent to you. That's like an AI generated thing. That'll be like Star Wars. If it was made as like a 50s Technicolor thing. Yeah, yeah. I've been the one making those actually. Congratulations on that. Thank you.

Yeah, I'm really proud of that work that AI has been making for me. But you know, you can easily see the like, what if Wes Anderson made Halloween well sure but you know sounds great but you know

you can see the guy who made Princess Mononoke I did I made it live action yeah I'm really proud of that did you see that one

right Alex yeah that was good that person should be shot in the face I haven't seen that I've only seen it if you made it if you didn't make it

I didn't see it yeah okay you know but like you can see somebody doing like, this is Friday the 13th if it was made as a 30s universal movie or this is Nightmare on Elm Street

if it was a Val Lewton movie. Like I would look at, I would look at a slideshow of those. I bet those would look neat. Yeah, there's definitely, is it the Eyes of Dr. X? Like there are movies that are like, like the Prowler.

Those Michael Curtiz movies were on Criterion last year. There was another one of those, like these bizarre 30s Technicolor Academy ratio horror movies. And I was like, what are these? But that have so much implied violence, but you're almost never seeing the kills. Or, you know, the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde films or the Jack the Ripper movies from those times.

Like, those movies are all ostensibly about the same thing as these movies. Most people cite Psycho as the granddaddy, the baby, the beginning of it. Do you see it that way? Probably. I mean, I'm sure there's a case to be made that there's things,

but, you know, that movie resembles movies we still have. Right. Nothing you're listing resembles movies we still have. Right. Although it would be cool

if someone did try to make like a Curtiz-style thriller in the present day. That would be interesting. I mean, I guess that's sort of what David would be interesting. I mean, I guess that's sort of what David Fincher does. I mean, I guess so. I was going to say like

kind of what Nosferatu looks like. Like just a classical cinema throwback-y. More of a gothic horror. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what you had before then, but it's obviously not slasher. I, you know, I'm trying to think like in real time

I'm sorry I'm just letting letting myself down here no I mean and you as well but like I think it's legitimately I think Psycho

Peeping Tom and Blood and Black Lace coming out in a relative closeness I mean I love those like 30s and 40s horror movies a lot

especially like in recent years I've come to really enjoy those like um Murders at the Zoo I think it's I forget who made that movie um and you know like really enjoy those. Like, Murders at the Zoo. I think it's,

I forget who made that movie. And, you know, like the Island of Lost Souls. Like, that's not, like some of that horror stuff from that time is really cool despite not being violent.

You know, yeah, like, you can just say Psycho. And I'm sure there's like, I would love to see someone put in front of me a list of 20 pre-Psycho

slasher movies. Maybe, maybe we can program that after this. Yeah. But, you know, I think those three movies, which are kind of tightly focused on individual killers, and spend a lot of time almost in the perspective of the killer.

Like, do you prefer to be... Whose perspective do you like to see the most in those movies? Well, I don't know. Depends? It depends. Yeah, I mean, it's not like watching Funhouse would be enhanced by sticking with the killer. And then obviously Sleepaway Camp and stuff like that, you're concealing who the killer is. The thing I don't really like that much, obviously a lot of great movies do this.

If I had to pick one of like, it'sael myers doing this it's leatherface doing this or it's more of a whodunit i would not choose the whodunit okay i do prefer ones that are like this is the thing that needs to be stopped instead of what scream then does successfully which is like you're waiting to the end to find out what's going on okay because i feel like in a lot of those movies including blade in the dark it got to the end and both my wife and I were like, oh, I forgot about that character. And then it's like, great. And then the credits roll and you're like, okay.

Instead of just like reveling in the pleasures of what's happening, you're like, oh, I think it's this person. Oh, well, now they've been killed. So now I'm like, you know, that's fun too. But it's my person. Oh, well, now they've been killed. So now I'm like, you know, that's fun too. But it's my second preference. Sometimes though, I think these are the best.

Like Tenebrae does a thing with its killer reveal that has been done before, but I think is like the most satisfying version of the whodunit, where it's like he has been right in front of you

the entire time. Italians kind of can't get away from that and we were talking and we sort of had like a mixed reaction to this Lamberto Bava movie like I do really prefer

the Italian movies with a hint of supernatural you know Argento strikes that with Inferno yeah Suspiria kind of splits the difference

and I despite getting you all this merch from Profundo Rosso like I do prefer that over the the black glove and a blade killer. We differ on that, I think. I think those are my preferred. Yeah.

I don't know why. For some reason, I just click with the other ones a little bit more. You know, the 70s is obviously an important period here. Picking the Hall of Fame is a complicated act for this. I'm very excited to do it. I feel like Hall of Fames are a real privilege. They are.

They are. They are. This is the important work that's being canonized in the great halls of the Brutalist Boys, you know, who are taking care of us

long term, you know, making letterbox lists, charting our history. You're really sticking with this Brutalist Boys thing. These are your people now. I mean,

all cinema lovers are my people. You know, if they love the Brutalist that's great if they love Rocketman that's cool too you know

like we accept all comers yeah I just when you say it it just calls to mind the Van Buren boys on Seinfeld it's just like what a

what a phrase I mean I don't think The Brutalist when the world sees it are really gonna think that this is a movie that requires like a clubhouse

full of cinephiles. It's an extremely complex. And yet you'll be standing there on Christmas Day with that clubhouse. Well, yeah. I mean, I like the work. I support the work. Do you like brutalist architecture? Or has this movie introduced you to it?

No, I knew what it was before, but I can't say I fully adopted it. I will say there are some extraordinary examples of it in the film. Do you think that like all your boys are going to to now get really into architecture because of this movie? When I say boys, I want people to know that that is non-gender affirming. There will be no women going to the map for The Brutalist, I'm sorry to tell you. I completely disagree. I completely disagree. I will find these women and I will celebrate with them.

Well, I wish you the best with that. Three hour long historical projected on film drama released by A24. You don't think women like that? I'm seeing a long line for the men's room during that intermission if I'm being honest. You may be right. Women will see this movie but I think you'll find that your wife will get to and from the restroom before you even move. You're probably. Will my wife even see this film is the question. You know, I'm going to say... I don't know her, but I'm going to say no.

You know what the challenge is? This is a tough movie for parents. Who's got four hours, four and a half hours that they can burn? Nobody. See this feature. It's a tough one.

And also, like, you can't stream this movie. You should be shot if you go watch that movie on streaming. No comment on that. As someone who will soon stream it. There's no chance

I'll see it any other way. Oh, come on. What do you mean? I don't have time for that. You're not will soon stream it. There's no chance I'll see it any other way. Oh come on. What do you mean? I don't have time for that. You're not going to go to the cinema?

I missed Terrifier 2 because it was too long. Yeah that's crazy. That was two hours and 20 minutes. Terrifier 3 is shorter than Terrifier 2. I know I like the

sound of that. Yeah. Yeah I mean that's part of why I just didn't make it to see Terrifier 2. I liked everything about it and I was

hyped to see it. So much so that I watched the first one as prep and I just didn't make it. That's insane. You should go immediately. I would hyped to see it so much so that I watched the first one as prep and I just didn't make it. That's insane. You should go immediately. I would like to

but you know I don't have time. Life intervenes. The only time it's easy to see a movie is like 1130 in the morning because then I don't need to get babysitter

or childcare or apologize to my wife for sticking her with bedtime so I can go watch a movie that she's like why don't you just go see this during the day tomorrow.

This is real talk. We may be narrowing our audience, but who's doing bedtime versus I have to go to the movie? I think your audience is going to grow up and have a lot of kids. Well, not if they stay Brutalist Boys. They'll never meet a woman.

You know, that's the problem. You said it. Yeah. But they'll be like, they'll one beautiful... Go meet one woman today. One beautiful romance will be formed

at a screening of the Brutalist of people who meet in line during the intermission. What if it's just a generation of men who choose to adopt children despite never meeting a woman? Or meeting a partner for that matter. They just adopt and become a single parent and they show them the great works of cinema. I don't see a problem with that. Well, and I encourage you to start that adoption agency at, at videos on weekends, like bring all the kids out. But I have a lot of recommendations for them.

Yeah. No, I mean, I'll, you know, watching a movie at home for me is not an admission of like anything other than like, it's either this or I just don't see it.

Right. Right. No, that's fair. Um, it's not my job to watch movies like it is yours. It is in a way though. It's not.

I, but it is though. You're, you're're you're current with the culture i mean you're a filmmaker and your own time is like bring home obscure horror vhs's from kim's and watch them instead of like keeping up with contemporary cinema right right uh okay how do we do this how do we pick these 10 i mean there's like there's a handful that are you know blind in right but I also feel like sometimes for Hall of Fame, you're like, this is like, here's the entire filmography. Let's just run through this. And I don't, obviously that's not possible. Which means that like tomorrow I'll remember one of my favorite slashers that neither one of us thought of. Well, I think we have to do some combination of the essentials, idiosyncratic personal picks that can be supported. Right. And

then kind of the new class, the last 25 years that need to be represented in some way. Okay. So I have kind of like sort of off the top of my head to organize this in some way. Let me look at my phone. Okay. Annoying to do on camera, but I have in here,

I think I should have my previous Camp Blood lists of what I've seen at Camp Blood while you start doing this. Okay, so I have the first section that I've mapped out here. It's quote-unquote the big ones. So these are kind of historically important and or persistent franchises that were launched before 1985. So that includes Psycho, Peeping Tom, and Black Lace, as I mentioned. Psycho, okay.

You're just listing them. I'm just listing right now. And then, of course, Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Black Christmas. Yeah. Bob Clark's Black Christmas. Still proto-ish. We're pre-franchise right now. Although Chainsaw is a franchise.

Then we've got the Argento run and Giallo having a period. Yeah. And then Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street. Right. And then do you think that Dressed to Kill and Body Double and the De Palma films fit the mold here? Yeah. I mean, Body Double, you know, the killer,

the implement of killing is not dissimilar from... Is it House on Sorority Row or Slumber Party Massacre that has the drill? That's Slumber Party Massacre. Yeah. You know, that's very similar. The corkscrew spinning drill.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly what you see in Body Double. Yeah. It's hard not to include it. It's obviously so much more than that. I mean, the problem with that... I feel like it'd be really fun to just discount those

because they're just too much of a movie. Well, also their weight of influence is so... It's like if you put Psycho in, Psycho is doing so much of the work that the De Palma movies are riffing on and the things that are not put Psycho in, Psycho is doing so much of the work that the De Palma movies are riffing on. And the things that are not like Psycho or not like the other Hitchcock slashers are complex in different ways. I mean, okay, so let's just keep going through these other sections that I've pitched.

So then there's like 80s essentials. Right. And these are now kind of shutter slash 2B classics. Yeah. Movies that are pretty readily available on streaming. Some of whom have spawned franchises.

Some of whom have been kind of left where they are but are beloved. So here's the list that I made and tell me if you think there's anything missing

from here just off the top of your head. So Silent Night, Deadly Night, which is a personal favorite of mine. Prom Night, Jamie Lee Curtis' vehicle.

My Bloody Valentine, which is one of the key early ones. I do love that movie. The Child's Play series. Right. Sleepaway Camp, which you mentioned. Beloved.

The Hitcher, which I think qualifies. Yeah, I like The Hitcher. Pieces, which you've been advocating for for years on this show. Love Pieces. The Prowler.

Yeah. And The Burning. Yeah. Well, The Burning I really love. So that's, I'm sure there are others driving advocating for for years on this show love pieces the prowler yeah and the burning yeah well the burning i really love so that's i'm sure there are others and some people would argue well what about this and why not this but when i think of the 80s slashers and the super low budget and like get them in 700 theaters and right you know become video store classics like those are the ones that sprung to mind you've seen that like New York Magazine list from a couple years ago that's like, here's the 42 slashers released in 1981?

It's like one year that like... It's crazy. I haven't seen that list. It's either 81 or 82. And someone was like, this is the year that there's almost a slasher a week if you spread it out. And I've looked through it and I'm like, God, I've only seen half of these. This list goes... There's some of these that are like D-level.

That's the reason... And I'm like, God, I've only seen half of these. Like this list goes, like there's some of these that are like D level. That's the reason, that's another reason why I love this sub-genre is it's kind of like those 30s horror movies where you are always discovering a new one or there's always been one on your list that you haven't been able to check off and you can go through your entire life and never catch up with these because they're so easy to make. And it's funny because like now wanting to do movies at home and wanting to have a movie a night at Halloween season, even if you have a partner who's supportive of this, it's very hard to be like, tonight's choice

is a like potentially D-level slasher. Yes. You know, I forget if it's called, it's not called Rush Week. It might be, but you know, like some DVD I had like a hundred years ago, that's like like this is just a campus slasher there's nothing distinct about it it's either called Rush Week or

Finals Week or something but like it's really hard to be like tonight's movie is you know exactly what you're going to get it has no chance of being better than

you think and instead of something that might be great we're going to watch this like those are not necessarily fun to just watch at home but if it's part of a double or triple

feature it becomes like a deliriously great watch i almost feel like the way you've laid this out for the hall of fame sake where there are no rules i feel like the way you're saying it i almost want to have like um slots reserved like you have to have something from the holiday uh-huh i agree you need a christmas one maybe you need a prom night april fool's day valentine's day graduation day leprechaun is you know whatever call that saint patrick's day yeah yeah like maybe you need one thing that's like then they made a movie that's just like the name of a holiday i yeah i mean except my my instinct was that silent night deadly Night could stand in for all of those movies. Right.

Because I think it's such an exceptional example of these kinds of movies. But we can talk through it. I mean, there's two other categories here plus a miscellaneous category that I'll run through for you. There's something I'm calling the rebirth. Okay. Which is kind of when you and I come into the picture here. So that includes Candyman. I think Candyman before Scream.

Scream. You've got the Saw films. High Tension. The French film. This is your curated list of what's... This is just my... You're skipping past your urban legends, your I know what you did last summer. I do have them represented here in a different category.

The Rob Zombie films. urban legends your i know what you did last summer i do have them represented here in a different category um the rob zombie films uh-huh wrong turn of which there have now been like nine you love wrong turn i do like wrong turn um i've also added knife and heart to this list but i haven't seen that that might also be in the new old class the new old class is the last is the last last ish category so that includes the strangersangers, Haunt, Scream, X, Terrifier, and then this interesting thing that is happening that we didn't really

talk about, but like, the teen-friendly streaming slasher is a thing that is happening. You could make the case that X is a part of this, but I think more specifically

Happy Death Day, Totally Killer, the Fear Street movies on Netflix, where these are kind of like slightly watered-down slashers for 13-year-olds that streaming services are capitalizing on. So this is like a big evolution. And I haven't even really talked about Grindhouse movies too much. Yeah, I know. I really should have thought more

about this before coming in. I know you texted very kindly that you liked my energy on the Blank Check Elephant Man episode. I did. Where where i was sick whereas now you're catching me at the end of like the busiest week i've had since ashford was born so it's a similar energy level of like i'm coming in like at 60 no you're doing fine don't apologize and obviously the spectacle of this has thrown me off for anyone who doesn't know what we're talking about you should watch the video to see what kind of scenario i randomly walked into thinking you're doing great like, I'm looking at an image of you right now. You look trim.

You look handsome. It's because you and I both skip dinner to eat. Eat movie theater snacks. I have candy dinner and you have popcorn dinner. Last week where I had two nights of,

three nights of pavement stuff, I didn't eat dinner three nights last week. It's not good. I do it all the time. Just because I didn't have time. I was out, you know,

if you have to be somewhere at seven, I'm not going to eat at one in the morning. I'm not good. Just because I didn't have time. I was out, you know, if you have to be somewhere at seven, I'm not going to eat at one in the morning. I'm not going to eat it. Well, one night I did eat at 4.30 just because I was like, it's now or never. Yeah. I'm fond of saying I haven't eaten a proper lunch since 1989. Yeah.

That's how I roll. You're like King Charles in that respect. You're going to have to wait until you're 80 and your doctor tells you to eat lunch. I know. I'd rather be the Earl of Sandwich if I had a choice, but that's just not how it's going right now. A couple of other wrapping categories. Grindhouse classics.

Driller Killer. Last House on the Left. Angst. Slumber Party Massacre, aforementioned. Maniac. Yeah. I kind of, like, again, we don't have time to...

I wish we had a whiteboard here because... Oh. Like, what would be really fun... Oh, that's a good future idea. Well, because, like, what are your choices here? Have five slots taken up by Halloween, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and, like, you know, Friday the 13th, TBD, which one? Like, what's more fun, that or being, like, you get two slots for, like, you get two slots for Mount Rushmore movies. You need to, like, check off a holiday slot.

You need, like, some, holiday slot. You need like some, you know, like you need, why don't we just do it in real time? I mean, that could be, this is, this is the show. Very unhinged way to group this,

but I like it because like what you want, if you're me or you is like, you want a slasher for all seasons. You want one for every mood you're in. Not everyone, you know, like if you're talking about a Halloween program, if you're curating a month's worth of horror movies to watch at home, or if you're running

a theater, once you get into like the 20s of October, then it's all killer, no filler. You don't have any time to mess around. You're not putting Body Double on October 28th. But Body Double could really play on October 1st. Right. It could ease you into the month. And if you're like us and you need horror movies year-round, there is a spot for like, well, what's a good summer horror movie? Halloween would be illegal. It's illegal to watch that movie in the summer. Like, you can't find it. They take it out of circulation.

That's not true, but I like that idea. If you had the urge to watch Halloween, why would you watch it prior to October 1st when you know October's coming yeah if you want to watch

is that the one you're most likely to reach for in October um I like to have a Halloween from the franchise

in rotation around like you know because basically for us like from the 28th onward is like this is Halloween now

like we're doing we've saved them like we've saved like the main events of the films we want to watch like this movie seems undeniable off the top of your head can you do your top five from the halloween franchise from the halloween franchise halloween ends number one halloween kills two easy top three um i would maybe put the first one of those at number five

I guess I don't know the first one of the new trilogy the 2018 one I do like the first one I mean I just had such a good time watching it I just remember being so happy

to be like in the theater watching that movie and hearing that music I think two is okay three I was not I think two is as you would say quite poor

quite poor okay by the way where's my quite poor merch? I've been trying to get this going. Well, we're in the Spotify offices. I know, I need to talk to somebody. We'll go knock on Daniel X's door.

Let me put this on the record. This is what I wanted. A white mug, black letters, says quite poor. And on the back is a little ringer and a big picture logo. That's it. That's the mug. I want one of these. It's a really good idea.

I think Halloween 2 is quite poor. It doesn't really hold up for me. We rewatched it on Halloween, like maybe two years ago ago you mean halloween kills the second in the david gordon green no you mean the second halloween movie yes i agree that movie is also quite poor i'm not a fan of that yeah i just don't love it yeah so it's out of that top five for me and yeah we just were like this movie just doesn't where do you stand on claiming halloween 3 very high i think that it's an easy number two. Yeah.

If I'm being honest. I mean, it just has to be. This is where Chris and I landed when we did this. It just has to be. Yeah. It's the second best movie of the whole franchise. Well, I mean, I came in here today. My backpack's been taken from me now.

But I did come in here today with, oh, it's over there, a silver Shamrock hat. Did you? Yeah. Well, it's not too late. I know. If you want to put it on for the video camera. It's part of, now that Bobby doesn't have like a producer's console, he has to just get up and get me things.

Concierge. Yeah, well, I guess on camera, I mean. Oh, hell yeah. Look at this. And it's corduroy? Well, because, you know, it's the analog CRT TV. Oh, where did you get this? Bought it on some like Instagram store.

I forget which one. It was, you know. I might have to get that. It was either like, I'm just going to name the ones I buy stuff from often. It was either like graveyard goods, creepy, or to name the ones I buy stuff from often. It was either, like, graveyard goods, creepy, what's it called? Gutter garbs. Okay. Could have been tapes from the crypt that this one came from.

Silver Shamrock logo on the back. And this came, it was a pre-order, and it came one year, like, November 3rd. And I started wearing it. My wife was like, what are you doing walking around wearing a Jack O' Lantern hat it's November I was like it just came in the mail

I have to wear it what are you talking about and you know a nice little silver shamrock part in the front but I do love this hat I do love Halloween 3

Halloween 3 is wonderful but I kind of like the idea of like diversifying a hall of fame of like you do need like we

we would need one scream Kevin Williamson, Urban Legends, like, 90s meta horror thing. You would need something. Because otherwise, it would just be like, well, 10 best movies from the 80s. Do you think of Final Destination as a slasher? Probably not. Yeah, I don't think so.

So, I just had an Etcetera, which includes When a Stranger Calls. Pure Supernatural. Happy Birthday to Me, Fade to Black. Happy Birthday to Me is incredible. I love that movie. That played at Camp Blood, so I would count that based on the Mahoning's inclusion of it at a Camp Blood one year.

I think so, too. And I know what you did last summer, I added, which also I think stands in for urban legend and that kind of like late 90s, early 2000s crop of post-slashers, but not post-post-slashers. Well, they were just back. Yeah. Do you know one of the taglines for Happy Birthday to Me? No.

I could be quoting a little bit, but I think it's you'll never look at shish kebab the same way again. Well, it's the incredible box art, which is the knife going into the guy's mouth, the shish kebab knife.

Yeah. A really great movie. But I like the idea of making a Hall of Fame more fun than like well six of these movies are like 74 to 85

and then the rest of them is just personal favorites it's kind of fun to imagine trying to be like okay so let's create so let's say for the sake of conversation

we'll do three hallowed classics three of or should it be four of the Mount Rushmore let's try three okay we'll do three so

do we get to use reds and yellows? I mean, is that Hall of Fame or is that? That's Hall of Fame. Okay, then let's use some of those and we'll see. Okay. So you want to go through and say red, yellow, green? Yeah.

Okay, Psycho. See, we're already confronted by that. I kind of want a yellow Psycho for now. Okay, well, yellow it. Wow, you've chosen a yellow Alfred Hitchcock. I mean, it just feels undeniable. You looked him in the eye. It feels undeniable, but also like.

You want to have some fun here. I just feel like if a place was like, we're doing 10 slashers and that was it, I'd be like, you know, that's exciting. Because another horror marathon, the Colonial Theater in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, does a 24-hour horror marathon every October, which I've been to a few times. Never for 24 hours. And the first slot is always like a stone cold classic. And the first slot of the ones I've been to has been The Exorcist, Psycho, Peeping Tom. And it just starts things off with like a 10 out of 10.

And Psycho did truly rock the house the year that they played it. And it really set the tone nicely. So it's kind of undeniable, but I feel like... That's the problem with yellowing Psycho. It's like when you go back go back and you watch psycho again even in your wizened old 40s age you're like still hits i know but we could also have fun and go go crazy and like put in like psycho two or three instead i'm not sure if you'll be able to get me there i did go to the horrorthon at arrow last year at the arrow last year in santa monica and the fourth or fifth film that they played was psycho three

which is great i watched that last year and it and it played really well really well it's a great movie um psycho three is the one directed by perkins that's right it is yeah okay so it could be just kind of fun to be like we're're including Psycho via that, but we're also acknowledging that, like, 3 is a nasty 80s slasher. It truly is. And 2 is, like, I think identifiably the first legacy sequel to a movie where it's like, decades have passed.

We're bringing back as much of the original cast as we can. We're just making a follow-up 22 years later. Like, it's kind of undeniable that that movie created a template that Hollywood is still eating from. Persists to this very moment. So, okay.

So all three of those for now, yellow psycho, yellow peeping Tom and yellow blood and black. I meant yellow, all three psychos for now. Okay. Okay. What about peeping Tom?

I loved rewatching it a couple of years ago. Kind of hard to imagine putting it in like the slasher hall of fame. Okay. But you're reading Michael Powell. Make it it yellow i won't keep yellowing i just always wanted to do yellows it sounds so fun to make things yellow on the big picture yeah they never do it though they always just make too many things greens and then we have to backtrack at the end but we're gonna do the same thing here uh blood and black lace not like a favorite of mine okay if i was going for like an italian thing there are others i would

you more of a limberto versus a mario bava i am yeah yeah i don't think i even have like a favorite mario bava film other than um black sunday but i would say other than that yeah black sunday that's not really a slasher no but that's probably my favorite yeah that's my favorite too okay so blood and black face just red which is appropriate the reds are going to be appropriate for this this episode texasainsaw Massacre, a film we talked about on this show. We did a whole episode.

You're an auto green for Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I mean, that was the one that all three of you, me and Chris, tried to get first when we did the horror draft.

That is true. That is true. Last time you were here for the New York Film Festival. Chainsaw, you know, I was sent the chainsaw. Did I show you the photo

of the chainsaw? No, it's waiting for me at home. I sent you the photo of the chainsaw of you with it no I haven't it's waiting for me at home I sent you the box set photo first and you wrote back I don't know if I can get this and then a week later you were like

I'm getting it well yeah the fine folks at the company that's distributing it sent it to me I will make a YouTube video of me

unboxing the chainsaw yeah which is have you heard about this Bob do you know what I'm talking about Amanda's on leave and Sean's gonna do unboxing videos of blu-ray box sets

shaped like chainsaws oh yeah you told me about that I didn't I hadn't heard about the chainsaw specifically for the 50th anniversary of Texas Chainsaw Massacre

they have reissued it on 4k and the company dark sky that is distributing it sent me the entire edition which Alex did the minute he saw it he was like this has got you written all

over it it's the most insane looking piece of physical media that I think has come out for years it's the it's the box if we can find featuring the 4K and it is a chainsaw.

I don't think it's an operational chainsaw but we're going to find out. Hopefully my daughter doesn't find it at home. Wow, this is some special stuff. We're going to have to give that to Jack to show on screen.

I will be unboxing it on this YouTube channel. Cut to a photo of it. You kind of unboxed on this episode already when Alex gave you that bag of gifts. That's right.

I know. Maybe someone can just bring me a present for every episode. That would be nice. Is that in the budget? If I keep having friends on who buy gifts for me. Who travel to Venice. I mean, yeah, green. You can just make it green. Green for Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I'm with you.

I agree. It has to go in Black Christmas. You said proto, but in many ways, I think this is the true proper template for what most slashers look like it is definitely there's no killer in it

I mean there's no I mean we don't see the killer yeah it's unresolved it is unresolved as a narrative yeah

in fact it does it doesn't invent the POV shot but it takes what Peeping Tom does and then magnifies it with the sorority

if you you can't have two Christmas movies on here oh i guess that's right black christmas could also be the holiday stand-in even though it comes earlier um silent night deadly night or is that what you suggested i did we don't have to go with that we can keep going through let's yellow black christmas christmas is a better movie than silent night deadly night it is it is but it is less fun it's definitely less fun. Oh, it's a probing psychological film.

Yeah. Argento. Are there any Argento movies? That for me is like this is the Argento slasher. Yeah. I just prefer the supernatural ones. Okay.

I don't know. I mean, if you needed Deep Red, you're wearing the button. If I was doing this, I would put Deep Red in. I think Deep Red could be. I feel like that's

a nice acknowledgement of the Italian Euro. Let's just yellow deep red for now. But it's probably going to. You think it's going to get cut? Well, this can't just be all American. Good point. Well, you've just shushed the two Italians thus far.

I know, but this is where we could maybe fix that. Okay. And, you know, it's not going to be New York Ripper. No. No Fulci on this list no I mean he kind of did his best work

in other other genres but can't be all American and then like if in two years we do best movies

about the gates to hell yes Lucio Fulci will have two or three movies yeah maybe that can be your election special

in in four weeks. Fortunately, we've already recorded that. Yeah, but you can't really have just, you know,

there are great slashers from other countries, but like, not really like Asian horror. No, Not a lot. They're not like a slasher people.

There's not a lot of them. No, it's much more supernatural. And, you know, then there's like, there's some, there's definitely some

Euro horror that is taking the slasher influence, but mostly, mostly Italian. A little French. And, you know, then there's like... There's definitely some Euro horror that is taking in the slasher influence, but mostly Italian. A little French. And some French. And then pieces of Spanish. Good point.

I guess I don't think of it as Spanish, but it is. Okay, so Halloween, I think, is green. Yeah. I think the... More boring choices, but... But these, like, the clearly we have to honor this franchise with Chainsaw and Halloween. Yeah. Going immediately, putting those two in is kind of a no-brainer. the clearly we have to honor this franchise with Chainsaw and Halloween. Yeah.

Going immediately putting those two in is kind of a no-brainer. Do you want to just read the De Palma movies and say, we'll just set those aside and acknowledging their greatness? I think so. Okay. I think if you went to a 10-movie horror marathon at the Arrow and after Texas Chainsaw and Halloween, they put on Body Double, you'd be like, this is not the vibe I'm in right now. I want to see a print of Body Double and I want to watch it here.

I would never turn it down. But I, like, kind of not what I came here for tonight. Okay. I did buy the 4K. I was very happy to buy the 4K. That's good. Yeah. Have you watched it?

It hasn't come yet. Okay. Hopefully, hopefully when I get home. Unboxing. It'll be there. Yeah. Should I, do you think Eileen will watch Chainsaw and Body Double with me on the first night? I'm already watching them if they arrived while you're on your work trip.

Honey, I've missed you, but I need to watch the chainsaw 4K. Walt's holding the chainsaw. Okay. Friday the 13th. Now, if you could choose one, which one would you choose? I would choose two or three. Yeah. Two is my favorite. Yeah. And I've had such great screening experiences with three. Remind me of three. I forget. It's the one in 3D with the disco. Oh, right. Of course. Oh, that one. I don't really like that one. Yeah. It's pretty awesome if you like hear that music blasting from like the speakers at the drive-in

okay 2 is kind of undeniable we re-watched that like a Halloween or 2 season ago and I was just like this is just the perfect slasher it is

it's really great other ones I feel like you kind of have to make the sentimental favorite argument obviously Jason Goes to Hell we both agree on we do not

it's bad. Much like you, Jason, has taken Manhattan. I just don't know what your problem is with these later movies. I really think they're good. I really think they stink

and I'm a little bit bewildered by the cult of them, but that's okay. They're just, I mean, I said this when we were doing the draft. Like, they're just, they're so solid.

The quality drop off from those movies from one to 10 is so slight i'll tell you what it is i find that the kills are really mediocre okay in the friday the 13th movies and it's part of it is it's a jason problem you know jason he's got one gear that's it there's no variance you know And so I just find myself kind of bored. Yeah. Okay. Nothing personal.

And I like one a lot. I love two. I like four. Five is where it starts to lose me. See, again, we said that we're just going over what we did two years ago. I think four, five, and six is just like the best middle trilogy of any horror franchise. Okay. So if you would choose one, you choose two i guess so i mean if someone was like you're programming this this marathon i would pick

three i'd be like we should watch that in the theater okay see this is a different idea like the programming the horror movie marathon would be a different episode i know but that's where my brain is at here on like october 7th or whatever it's a good thought it's maybe a better framework for this conversation than a hall of fame okay you, you need to put together, program your series. Because, like, you know, you just did, like, your George Clooney Hall of Fame. Like, no one would go to a 10-movie George Clooney marathon. It's like, all right, guys. George Clooney has been taking some bullets on this pod recently.

Whatever the Hall of Fame, it was the both of them. See Wolves? I haven't caught up with Wolves yet. Although, I will say I really loved your rant about it. Thank you very much. Because we just came to Kim's, as we've said. Basically, we do Kim's on Fridays, as we've said, basically my, we do Kim's on Fridays.

So every Friday, new episode of the big picture, I fire it up and I take the 30 minute journey from my house to Kim's always with a new big picture episode. And the last time we did it, it was just the entire thing was just you being like, this movie is terrible. I'm so upset right now.

These are our greatest guys. What are they doing? What a waste of everyone's time. And I was like, God, great is what I want from this movie.. And I was like, yeah, great. It's what I want from this movie. So,

a total like, C plus night on the couch. I don't mind saying this out loud. The Wolves episode may be like one of the worst performing episodes in like the last three years

on the pod, which to me is like a direct indictment of the problem with the movie. Is that separate from the Hall of Fame you did for them? We did a draft

of Clooney and Pitt movies. Yeah, yeah. But that movie, which like no one saw because everyone who did see it was just like, what a waste of time, is in microcosm.

Like, way more people are going to listen to the episode about like The Substance. Right. Which is an incredibly intense, alienating body horror movie

released by Mubi starring Demi Moore who hasn't been in a movie in theaters in 20 years. So. Well, that speaks to like what your audience is and what people care about

in movies right now. It doesn't, it doesn't. Like people will listen to the Pitt and Clooney draft. They will happily enjoy that episode. But like more people watch a show on CBS

you've never heard of than any episode of Succession. That is true. But the Succession podcast will do incredibly well. Right, but that's the same thing. Yes, yes. No, it's a fair point. I don't even know if this is still on but no one would listen to like your Blue Bloods recap. that is true but the succession podcast will do incredibly well so you're right that's the same thing yes yes it's a fair point

I don't even know if this is still on but no one would listen to like your Blue Bloods recap if you did it on the ringer Bill's dad would

yeah Bill Simmons' dad Bob yeah my parents would Copaganda no they're in there you know as a devout lover of Law & Order

SVU like I you know the consumption of things like that is different and I think Wolf's and that kind of movie is just aiming for like,

yeah, no one who's watching this wants to then listen to people talk about it. They watch it so they can forget about their lives for two hours. Better or worse with Donnie Wahlberg in the Clooney role? Uh, I think they're given the same level of effort, you know? So I'm not sure what the answer to that is,

but you know what I mean? Like I do, it's just, it's a clear thing, but I haven't seen it. You know, some like, you know, your parents, some Saturday night, you're just like, I am wiped out. I'm so tired. It's been one of those weekend days. Wolf's is going to hit hard one of those Saturday nights. I'm looking for those parents on the, in our podcast audience. I'm not finding them somehow. God, I'm so tired. I could barely get through the day. I can't believe she's asleep.

Let's eat some ice cream and watch wolves that's what it's made for it's nice that we've been able to have this parental experience simultaneously too because we're going through the exact same shit yeah the little picture coming soon with all these little all these little kids i might say it already exists on this pod uh friday the 13th part two we're gonna yellow i would i mean i feel like it's in. I think so, yeah. Okay, well put it unless you would entertain a different one later. I think you need Jason. Do you need Freddy?

I don't think so. I don't love any also like You don't love any Nightmare on Elm Street movie? I don't love any of them enough to be like we need one from all four

of those franchises. See, I appreciate these movies more. Now they are much more supernatural than your standard issue but is it supernatural or is it just dream logic?

They're all the story beats of a slasher. They do, do they do i mean i love i mean i do love three of those movies dream warriors yeah i love like yeah two three and four basically two three and four um the first film was good that's very good yeah it's like the first right the 13th yeah i just don't know if four of these slots need to be taken up with these four franchises I think that would be a controversial pick so you're more of a Jason guy than a

Freddy guy absolutely hmm I have no Freddy shirts I have enough Jason shirts I couldn't tell you

what do you think about New Nightmare uh it's a you know it's uh I'm flipping the order

on these but like it's the amnesiac to Scream's Kid A like he had this very clear idea of something but didn't you Nightmare Come First?

yeah that's why I'm flipping the order okay like he had a very clear idea he did the thing it's like wasn't quite right and then like

immediately figured it out and did it and like changed culture interesting like it's just he was like what are these movies what have we been doing

for 20 years what violence have we brought into the world? How do people talk about horror movies? And then because it was the seventh Nightmare on Elm Street movie, it just couldn't work. And then he just found the exact formula to be like, let's hold the mirror up. So let's say for the sake of the Hall of Fame right now, we've got three greens. We're going to red Nightmare on Elm Street, which is a bold choice.

But I would find another way to include Wes Craven if... Well, I think we will find one. Yeah. What's in this McDonald's bag? The McValue Meal. For $5.79 plus tax, you can get your choice of Junior Chicken, McDouble, or Chicken Snack Wrap, plus small fries and a small fountain drink. So pick up a McValue Meal today at participating McDonald's restaurants in Canada. Prices exclude delivery.

We got to talk about the 80s essentials. So you wanted to come up with some rubrics as holders in this Hall of Fame. So like a holiday slasher. Yeah, and I feel like if that's what we do, for better or worse, we've already checked off Camp. We have? Camp Closet, you know. You sure you don't want to find another rubric for Sleepaway Camp? There could be another.

There could be two Sleepaway Camp. There could be two camp-based movies. It's not like camp is 20% of the slasher genre. It is. But Sleepaway Camp could be the concealed killer. Yeah. Right? Yeah, I'm more looking

at like, again, like picture you're making needlessly specific video store sections of like holiday slashers this isn't like i don't know if you're doing one that's called concealed killers no sorority slashers you would do yeah you could definitely do high school college slashers maybe less high school but i think we need something from something from academia and it's probably house on sorority row which i really love okay really incredible at really love. Okay. Like a really incredible

at least that would be my vote a really incredible movie. Over Slumber Party Massacre. I think so. Okay. I like Slumber Party Massacre a lot. And over Black Christmas.

I would say of those three House on Sorority Row would be pretty high up there. Okay. So let's add House on Sorority Row to 80s Essentials we'll green it.

I would like to green Silent Night, Deadly Night. Yeah. I think that's my Christmas slash holiday pick. If we want to have another Night, Deadly Night. Yeah. I think that's my Christmas slash holiday pick. If we want to have another holiday pick, we should talk about that. Obviously, you know, Black Christmas and Silent

Night, Deadly Night and My Bloody Valentine kicked off a noisy wave of these movies. I don't know. My Bloody Valentine, I don't know if we need that if we're going with Silent Night, Deadly Night. Yeah, those are kind of different to me. Because obviously, like, the Christmas thing is its own little silo. New Year's Evil, like the kind of December horror movies.

I do like New Year's Evil, too. You might see popping up at a rec theater. New Year's Evil, one of the great punk rock movies ever made. Those movies are all fun. The rare horror thing my wife just doesn't want to watch. The holiday stuff?

There's no day in December she wants to watch a horror movie. And I don't blame her. Interesting. It's not necessarily, you know, it's a specific thing.

I was thinking about that because Heretic this year is coming out in November. Okay. And obviously Nosferatu is coming out on Christmas. Mm-hmm. There is some history

of those kinds of movies playing well in those periods. I mean, Scream didn't come out in October, right? Yeah, it came out in January, right? Yeah, I think it was a summer movie, right? Or was it January? I think it might have come out in December. Okay, maybe it was December. I think that's why it's confusing and I always forget the year.

I think it came out like back when release calendars were much less rigid than they are now. I really think Scream. Oh, maybe you're right. I think Scream and Scream 2 came out December 96 and 97. December 20th, 96. There you go. See, that's crazy.

That's the first Scream. That's the Nosferatu strategy. Like, yes. And I'm sure they will have similar success. $100 million, seven sequels. You never know. Nosferatu 6? Feratu's back.

I mean, this is Nosferatu 6. Or as I said when the trailer played, a gritty reimagining of Van Helsing. A gritty reboot of Van Helsing. But yeah, that's just crazy. For us now, you'd be like, Scream, high school movie, everyone's in school,

when does that come out? And you'd be like, I don't know, September 20th? Or like some other, and it's like, nope nope christmas i remember the faculty was a summer movie i remember i think it might have been on the cover of that entertainment weekly summer movie preview i guess i would say august i think i think it was august when is the fact 98 or 99 it's called august 99 right i don't know i'm getting conflicting reports it's saying both November and December so for the faculty

so you're closer so they probably 98 98 because this song on the soundtrack the cover of just another brick in the wall

like the super group was called The Class of 99 that's right that's why I'm thinking it's a 99 movie and that was one of your favorite songs that year

you played it on a loop play it for us all the time is the faculty soundtrack on Spotify? I don't know let's go outside and ask somebody.

Open the door. Okay, House and Sorority Rose. Someone out there trying to eat their lunch. Excuse me. Faculty soundtrack. I need you to upload the faculty soundtrack

now, sir. Silent Night, Deadly Night in Her House and Sorority Row are going in. That means five. I think these are cool choices. I think it's good

to have a little bit of an esoteric character. I'm not going to say that I could swear for the rest of my life that House on Sorority Row is like my favorite like non-A level slasher.

But I think it's really, really good. And you think it's super sweet. You know that movie has like a completely unknown like like a sequel or reboot from a few years ago?

No. You know like how they just remake movies because they have a famous title? Yes. There is one of those I think. Okay. And like it just doesn't i mean that does happen there have now been three black

christmases all of which are and they're all sort of the same right general idea like a 2000s one and then like a recent one there's like an 06 one and then there was a sofia taco one right like in 2018 but the uh the other one maybe whatever this is irrelevant. We have our Oh it's called Sorority Row 2009. Yeah.

And it's just like Who's in it? Brianna Evigan Rumor Willis Carrie Fisher Rumor Willis and Carrie Fisher? Wow.

Yeah. Interesting. I don't think I've seen that one. Yeah. I don't know. I had never heard of this until I watched the other one. It was doing a little bit of clicking. I really like the idea of you putting in House on Sorority Row and not Psycho.

Well, that would be insane, but maybe we will put Psycho in. Okay, maybe we will. Prom Night, no? I just feel like there needs to be something like that. Be at prom night. Like, the question is, like, under your head. Prom night, April Fool's Day, graduation day, my bloody Valentine. Like, these are all secondary holidays.

Where do you go? Are we sure that just having Halloween and Silent Night, Deadly Night doesn't get this across for us? It probably does. You know, these are films that take place on, like, where the crimes are taking place primarily on the day. Movies that you'll see people be like, well, it's this day, this year, time to rewatch. Right.

Every Christmas morning, I fire up Silent Night, Deadly Night for my young child. Silent Night, Deadly Night, first 20 minutes of Silent Night, Deadly Night up there for the most depraved. It's really, really a violent movie. I mean, that's one that was protested.ed it was back when we had a proper country and people could get worked up about a horror movie i heard you're relaunching the prmc though that

that's a really a passion of yours yeah i think the time is right is tipper still around i don't want to say yes or no because what if she's dead and we make a joke about her i don't know she's alive we would know if tipper had died died. There should be like an app. Yeah. Because Tipper's still here. Yeah, yeah. Oh, like the Liza Minnelli. Like has Liza Minnelli

outlived this thing? She's still here and she's 76 years old. She's got some juice in her. The problem is there's no offensive culture anymore. Some juice in her. She's not,

it's not like Bobby just said, she's 99. It's like, well, maybe by the time this comes out. If she was a filmmaker, she's got like four films left. Yeah. That's right. If she's on the Ridley Scott plan, she's still. It's like, well, maybe by the time this comes out. If she was a filmmaker, she's got like four films left. Yeah. That's right.

If she's on the Ridley Scott plan, she's still going. Yeah. Don't really hear about Al Gore ever anymore. We don't.

What does he do? We don't. He's just still trying to unlock that lockbox. Right. You know, trying to figure out

what was inside. I just feel like with so much climate change talk, he would really become rowing back like doing a kind of I told you so.

I think it's understood. Yeah, but where is he? He was on the right side of that one, you know? Where is he? You want him just to keep telling us he was right about climate change? I just feel like now he could come back and have a more sympathetic ear.

I mean, I think he got a raw deal. Yeah. And his sort of anti-charisma worked against him. Yeah. But it is what it is. I'm glad we got into Al Gore's political career here on this episode. He does tweet videos of himself talking about climate change.

He just feels like someone that could have a podcast now. Al? He probably does. He probably does. Well, let's open the door again

and ask someone. He's in the studio next door. Okay. No to prom night. No to my bloody Valentine. I mean, these are both movies

I love and would be thrilled to watch again, but I'm going to yellow those for now. I want to pile up with a bunch of yellows and then fight for scraps with three slots remaining. I'm with you. Child's Play? I don't love Child's Play.

I'm very fond of the Child's Play franchise as a object of horror franchise oddity. I would not be psyched. I guess I would be now just because I haven't seen them in forever. But if I were at a blindfolded marathon and Child's Play popped up, I guess I'd be pretty excited. I watched the original on a plane within the last 12 months

and had an amazing time with it. It's funny. I was just on a plane with somebody and he was like, hey, Child's Play is on the plane. It must be just like on American or something. I don't know. Yeah. I would like to rewatch it.

It just never really excited me that much. It is supernatural. Yeah, and would be, I would like to rewatch it. It just never really excited me that much. It is supernatural. Yeah, and it's just kind of goofy. You know, it's like transferring the soul of a killer into a doll.

I love that though. I mean, that's very like Twilight Zone, Dead Man's Shoes. I love that as a premise. I guess just because like for our age,

like, I probably, like, Bride of Chucky came in so close to the time that I was aware of this. Like, the franchise was already eating its own tail. It was.

So I could never really take the earlier movies that seriously. It's now gone on so long. That's a franchise that's had a much longer life than I ever would have expected. And, you know, part of it is, too, is, like, that there's, like, all these queer readings of that movie. And so it has taken on this whole new. Of Child's Play 1? Of the franchise in general. Of the character and the way that, like like some of those later movies are played.

I don't know. Yeah. Chucky's a funny guy. He is a funny guy. There's the Aubrey. Is it Aubrey and what's the guy's name? The great actor that was in The Eternals. It's in Beale Street.

Brian Tyree Henry. Is it the two of them in the child's play reboot oh Aubrey Plaza and Brian Tyree Henry yeah I think you're right Chuckie's like an app or something um he's like yeah they had that reboot and then it was launched as a series it's been a series that was just canceled and had like three full seasons on like USA right anyway Sleepaway Camp I love Sleepaway Camp I feel like it's it's probably one of the most important slashers, certainly now. Its legacy has become really huge.

I would argue a top five ending to any slasher. Yeah, it's pretty great. The sequels are quite good too. I haven't seen a lot of the sequels. There's only two that I can think of. Unhappy Campers and I forget what the third one's called. I don't know. Let's Yellow Sleepaway Camp.

The third one is like this movie should have been like how do they let people make this? It seems like it should have been illegal. Because it's so depraved? Yeah.

I don't think I've seen it. Oh, it's very good. I'd say you got two good nights ahead of you if you want. I'm sure there's a Sleepaway Camp box set for you to acquire

on the internet. The story you told on some recent episode where you're like, I was at the video store with my daughter and then they're calling out to me from the glass display case was a pristine out of print Blu-ray

of Brian using a society. It's like, picturing this day for you is so funny. It's like, well, time to crack open the, have the guy unlock the case and give me society.

That is what happened. Yeah. It was a nice woman. And she asked my daughter with interest what she was going to be for Halloween while I acquired the Arrow Blu-ray of society. Yeah. Which I still haven't watched, but I'm going to return to post-substance. Similar, like on the substance episode, you like just straight up like mansplaining like

to Amanda. You're like, you see Amanda. Frank Henenlotter opened the basket. And some of the practical effect and just like. Whatanda you're like you see amanda frank hennenlotter opened the basket and some of the practical effect and just like what do you mean i'm doing the work yeah you know mansplaining what about explaining a another word for it you considered it very few women in my life have explained the work of brian using it to me it's not something a lot of a lot of ladies have um sat me down to be like let me tell you did you know that this guy originally wrote Honey, I Shrunk the Kids? Yep.

Yep. Well, I mean, it's understandable. Yeah. From a similar mind. Right. The Hitcher? I don't know if The Hitcher is top 10. Agreed.

I haven't seen it in 20 years. Maybe if I watched it tomorrow, I would love it. Also recently reissued in 4K. I'll have you know. I did see that, yeah. Pieces? I personally love Pieces. Can you do Chains 4K. I'll have you know. I did see that, yeah. Pieces. I personally love Pieces. Can you do Chainsaw and Pieces?

Do you want a Spanish? Do we want to diversify our globe? We'll yellow it. Okay. There won't be another Spanish one. In your honor. Let's call it the greatest Spanish slasher. It is one of the most satisfying.

You walked into the movie, the like revival, the restoration or whatever. Seeing it projected, it plays raucously, historically. Yes. I don't know if it's among the top 10. Yeah, but I do love it, and I had a great time watching it at Camp Blood

at the drive-in a few years ago. Okay, The Prowler and The Burning, I would say... I would almost make a case for The Burning just because... As what? As green. But in what space does it occupy? I guess it's just another camp movie. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I agree that the camp movie is important, but... I know. How many can we really put in? We were going to put in Sleepaway Camp and Friday the 13th. I was saying two is too many. Yeah. I mean, The Burning is just kind of...

It's just... We're recommending it here. We're saying on the show, watch The Burning. I just love it so much. I think The Burning is on Tubi right now. Feels like it's playing on a loop yeah i mean incredible cast and i just i believe i don't know but i think just entirely a sterling creative team on that one as well it's a good film nobody involved with that who whose work we shouldn't be celebrating most of the movies we've mentioned are on some combination of shutter to be pluto and amazon prime they make the classics

available which is good they do i want to be clear that both that i believe the bernie's written by harvey weinstein but is that a fact that's what i was saying yeah him and i believe him it's his only like screenplay credit is him and him and bob weinstein well then you should support that film because i was making making a joke about that. And then you seem like. I steamrolled you. You seem like you agreed with it. And I wanted to just voice that we don't actually. It's just, yeah. I mean, last time I saw a print of the burning, people booed.

Really? Oh, sure. Just seeing the credit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, understandable, right? Sure. And we're all there to have a good time.

I wasn't advocating for the written works of Harvey Weinstein. No, I think this is the only one. It's unfortunate that it's so good. Yeah, well. Or at least story by. Yeah. Okay, I'll buy it. Great film though.

Okay, Rebirth. Candyman. I would have a hard time making that the sole Clive Barker. Not that there's other Clive Barker slashers that I think need to be in there. But also,

that's entirely supernatural. It is, but it has a kind of kill tool that feels very slasher. It does. Another good thing about, um, in a violent nature. It's the design of this guy and the old timey fire mask.

And I mean, it's just the logging. It's excellent. Instant, instantly iconic. Yeah. Then the cliff sedge kill is extraordinary. As is the log splitter.

It is. It's a great movie. I love the... Congrats to that guy. Who loved his answer. You're like, why is this movie in 4x3? And he's like, because VHS's are in 4x3. That's a good answer.

It's a great answer. What did you... What do you think about the question that I asked him when I was like, I don't understand for myself personally why I enjoy this depraved material so much. But I do love to go to the movies and see something like this. Why do you like to make things like this? And he was like, let's not spend too much time thinking about that. And here we are.

I'm going to do four more episodes thinking about this. I mean, yeah, sure. I mean, it's just fun. Yeah, it's just fun. It's just power. It's just power. It's the same reason I explain people. Why do you go to so many metal shows?

I just like the most powerful version of what I like. Well, that's just power. It's the same reason I explain to people, why do you go to so many metal shows? I just like the most powerful version of what I like. Well, that's well put. It's just the loudest, most in-your-face, the most energy, the most get-your-stress-out. Is there a hole that you're trying to fill, do you think? Probably. Yeah. A lack of power.

Yeah, the hole is my lack of power. Well, that is revealing. I have no power, so I have to go find it elsewhere. We've really done the work here today scream well what is like the best of that 90s like slashers are back it's scream is it scream one i think so i think scream one is the best film i think it's the best horror movie of the 90s yeah kakarian did the good 90s horror series last year which had some revelations that was excellent okay you know what I can bring up right now? Yeah.

This is neither here nor there, but where if not the big picture Halloween Horror Hall of Fame. Where do you stand on Dee Snider's Strangeland? Complicated. Dee Snider, a resident of Long Island. One of the signature residents of Long Island. Hearing a lot of positivity so far. I like where this is going. I think it's a bold vision in that film and I don't like it.

This movie fucking rocks. Absolutely rocks the house. It's unbelievable how good this movie is. It rocks the house, you say. I kept seeing it at,

I kept seeing VHS copies of it for sale. And then I was like, wait a minute. I thought this movie was the coolest thing in the world when it came out

because it was so dark and twisted and extreme. Not a slasher. No. But like while we're just on this run of 90s horror. And I saw it. I liked Twisted Sister. I liked that kind of music at the time.

I thought it was the most fucked up thing I'd ever seen. Then recently, I was like, oh, no, we need to watch this. And we watched it. This movie is so depraved so upsetting in its depiction of the human body

and the pain it can endure 81 minutes long and I just was like this movie has no cultural footprint why can't I buy a shirt of this where is my Strangeland shirt

where is the Strangeland 4K Blu-ray i asked my friend who's a programmer at the nighthawk i said how come what's like you ever play strange land and she's like i don't know this movie she knows everything this christina at nighthawk her brain is tubi like tubi is what the inside of her head looks like she's like i don't know it and then i was like it never plays and i asked my buddy who programmed the 90s horror series on Criterion I said Clyde why didn't you put

Strangeland on there I know he struggled to like come up with he goes I've never heard of this and I was like what has happened like this was such a big movie

I know it it's in the video store and it was available it was yeah it was around I I don't remember liking it yeah

worth a rewatch you think I should revisit okay I'll revisit just watching it Anna was like this explains why you like Hellraiser so much because I hadn't seen Hell it. Yeah? Worth a rewatch. You think I should revisit? Okay, I'll revisit. Just watching it, Ana was like, this explains why you like Hellraiser so much. Because I hadn't seen

Hellraiser when I saw it. It's just like, you know, Hellraiser light. It was a gateway to Hellraiser. Yeah, that was your gateway. Yeah, it's a really, it's a really good watch, I think. Well, thanks for that excursion

into Dee Snider's career and work. Yeah, a pretty solid film that I believe is largely forgotten and I think is on Shudder there's some synchronicity here too because Dee Snider

of course a significant voice in the PRMC battles in the 1980s you know he fought for the right to write Twisted Sister songs yeah

well no to not take it right they didn't want to take it we're not gonna take it we're gonna bring it to Strangeland yeah Strangeland

I feel like you know keep going check it out okay Saw? so wait so is Scream just like the definitive movie of the 90s

I think it has to go in yeah I think it has and it is a true slasher it is yeah definitely and then what comes after that

Urban Legend Urban Legend Final Cut Valentine Valentine's okay I mean in the Hall of Fame no no I'm just saying I know what you did last summer

yeah that's kind of the other I think that's kind of the B to Scream's, no. I'm just saying. I know what you did last summer. Yeah, that's kind of the other. I think that's kind of the B to Scream's A. It is. I don't think we should be putting that one in. The next time it's February, if you need to mix it up for my bloody Valentine, David Boreanaz's Valentine. Solid.

You know, solid. I watched that like one day after shooting a music video when we got Thai takeout. I was so tired and we just watched Valentine. It was solid? It's like a great. I'm sure I've seen it. A great 5 out of 10. Okay. That's kind of the end of the slashers though.

Sort of the inverted wolves. That's the thing, you know? It's like sometimes a 5 out of 10 is great. Sometimes it's terrible. For that run, Valentine's kind of the end. Like the five-year cycle of neo-slashers has ended. Yeah. And we've gotten into Saw now.

Well, so we do have Saw and we do have High Tension and the new French Extreme. And we do have, you know, the Eli Roth movies, you know, Hostel and, which is a slasher. Any of those go in? Any of the Rob Zombie films? I don't think so. I don't think so either. And I like most of these movies to one degree or another. I mean, I guess the case could be made for House of a Thousand Corpses, perhaps.

Yeah. I mean, it'd be even hard to say, like, that would, like, no psycho, no the burning. Like, this would be ludicrous. And yet, if I was putting together a 10-film marathon, I really would want something. You keep circling back to that, but that's not the exercise. That's kind of how I'm approaching this as I curate my month's viewing.

Okay. And as we think of a challenge, like, you know, movies like that really do play great at a marathon. They do.

Like a 2000s movie that nobody has seen for 15 years. They have to be 87 minutes, though. Yeah. Any of the ones that are bloated that are in 110 minutes,

I can't get. No, no. I mean, Happy Birthday to Me as a middle of a triple feature people were like, this is a great film but this is kind of

a crazy thing to play second. Yeah, yeah. No, they're always, it's always fun. But who's, doesn't Happy Birthday to Me have a real, a reputable director?

Who is it? Isn't it J. Lee Thompson? J. Lee Thompson. Well, not so reputable but a real Hollywood director. Okay, New Old Class. Strangers? Is that a slasher? Kind of a home invasion. Just a home invasion. I feel like you've done a home invasion. A real Hollywood director. Yeah. Okay. New old class. Strangers? Is that a slasher?

Kind of a home invasion. Just a home invasion. I feel like you've done a home invasion. I don't know if we ever did an episode. I feel like you did at some point, but maybe I'm movie dead. Just remembering. X?

I mean, I honestly feel like the case could be made if there has to be something. You can't say there have been no Hall of Fame level slashers. Well, I would argue it's... X versus Terrifier is interesting because X is signifiers and history and reflecting on the history.

And Terrifier is just an extreme continuation of the movies that Damien Leone was raised on. Yeah. So what's more representative? Well, I've only seen one Terrifier and Ty's one of my good friends.

So I probably can't answer this. Okay. In the interest of political fairness, I have to. Maybe we should leave them both out. Well, that feels unfair to some, you know, because these movies are keeping things alive for people. They are. Both culturally and in the sort of indie horror, indie merch. This is really carrying the torch in a way that I think is quite valuable, that not everything is about grief and trauma fully agreed um and neither of these movies are

although terrifier 3 is a is a is a bit about trauma arts trauma no i wish it was about arts trauma no it's about the the uh what lauren vera i think her name is the lead actresses characters um trauma yeah okay yeah i't know. It feels important to acknowledge that good movies, I mean, even in A Violent Nature is a great, like, this can't be one of those things that's like,

yeah, the entire Slasher Hall of Fame is over by 2003. Like, it's a 20-year run. I agree. That's why I've got them here. Or 40 if you do Psycho, but... Why don't we yellow both of them for the time being?

Okay, I'm excited to have all these yellows, right, Bobby? A lot of yellow. I don't think any of the teen streaming slashers are going to make the cut. No. I don't think any of the teen streaming slashers are going to make the cut. No, I don't think so. We can red those.

Driller Killer or Last House on the Left, any of these movies? I mean, I kind of want like one super gnarly like video nasty. Something that's like a reprehensible banned film.

Angst? I mean, is that really a slasher? Does he slash anything? I guess more of a psycho killer. Yeah. I guess that's a fair pointher? Does he slash anything? I guess it's more of a psycho killer. Yeah. I guess that's a fair point. And if it's only...

Maniac? I like Maniac. That could be our... I like... Was Maniac a video nasty? I think so. It was. Certainly Maniac feels like it would have been.

Anything more representative than that? I can never remember the exact 39, but it's a pretty diverse list. Let's pull it up. Maniac Cop, also good. The Maniac remake with Elijah Wood from like 15 years ago, very good. It was very good. Okay, Video Nasty.

You have to look at like the first list because they kept adding to it, but it's the initial 39. Let's just read the list. Okay, 39 movies. Here you go, people. These are the prosecuted films. No, I mean, you know,

there's some stuff on here. Like Driller Killer is one, right? For our movie? Driller Killer is one. I mean, Cannibal Holocaust and Ferox and Apocalypse. The Burning was on this list. Great. Bay of Blood was on this list.

Blood Feast. We haven't talked about the, you know, Herschel Gordon Lewis influence of all this stuff. Well, you're looking at this, you know, it's entirely likely a big picture listener doesn't know what video nasties are. That the British Board of Censors came up with a list of initially 39 horror films that were too violent and morally reprehensible to be distributed. And a lot of these films remained out of circulation in England for many, many years. And then they kept adding to it. But the initial 39 is like kind of just like a greatest hits of awesome movies. Yeah, I mean, I Spit on Your Grave is on this list.

The Last House on the Left is on here. Tenebrae is on here. Night of the Demon. Right, it's some stuff that you're like, okay, I Spit on Your Grave, fine. But like Tenebrae, like, is that really so bad? I don't know. I mean, there's a couple of kills that are intense. But then there's, like, I haven't seen Mardi Gras Mass like Tenebrae, like is that really so bad? I don't know. I mean, there's like a couple of kills

that are intense, but then there's, like I haven't seen Mardi Gras Massacre, for example. That's on the list. I've never seen Mardi Gras Massacre either. That could be a great holiday flick. You know, The Werewolf and the Yeti.

Don't know that one. Which is also known as The Night of the Howling Beast. Some films you never heard of. And then there's the non-prosecuted films. Right. Which is 33 more films. 33 more.

And then there's the Video Nasties, which is another more films 33 more and then there's the video nasties which is another the third list which fee which yeah is like a hundred films yeah um so I don't maybe maybe in honor of the video nasties we should put the burning on

perhaps or is there a better choice where's driller killer video nasty I didn't see it there really I thought it was it's not on the list now Perhaps. Or is there a better choice? Where's Driller Killer? Isn't Texas Chainsaw Massacre a video nasty? I didn't see it there. Really? I thought it was. It's not on the list now.

Maybe the Driller Killer goes on. I mean, that movie's not great. There's... I mean... It's not better than Psycho. I'm sorry. No, it's not better than Psycho. We're going to end up putting Psycho in. Yeah.

I'm sorry to tell you. It's not better than... Psycho has to go in. It's not better than Sleepaway Camp either. It's not. It's not. It's not. Well then would you like to choose something different

to represent the video Nasties? Do you want to put the burning in? Can I look at it? Of course. Faces of Death? That's on the slasher.

I do like Faces of Death. I was looking for Faces of Death when we were in Kim's and I didn't find it. Oh we have a whole section of those. Do you?

Oh yeah. The Mondo. We just put them all out. They're all in horror and some of them are in documentary people love to watch people scrolling laptops there's choices here i don't know nothing that's like that's a great slasher a lot of these are like very zombie and supernatural they are like the beyond is on the non-prosecuted funhouse is on the non-prosecuted list we have so far and

what else have we not talked about from your sort of like bullet points? My et cetera was when a stranger calls, happy birthday to me, the holiday slashers, which we've gone through, fade to black, and I know what you did last summer. Now, I'm sure I've missed some that people are going to be angsty about. But what we have in green at the moment is Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, Friday the 13th, part two, House on Sorority Row, Silent Night, Deadly Night, and Scream. That gives us six. Okay, that's a nice number to start with. I'm just looking back at my years past horror viewing lists that I keep. My instinct is that we should just put Psycho in and just be cool with that. Okay, that's probably fair.

And that gives us seven, and then we can debate the final three. So, Bob, let's green Psycho. I think it's essential. Yeah, kind of be silly at this point not to. Yes, as we debate the Driller Killer. the final three. So Bob, let's green Psycho. I think it's essential. Yeah. Kind of be silly at this point, not to. Yes.

As we debate the Driller Killer. Okay, help me pick three more movies. Okay. What's yellow? Here are our yellow films.

And we have nothing beyond Scream. Nothing. No, no, nothing after Scream. We have Peeping Tom,

Black Christmas, Deep Red, Prom Night, My Bloody Valentine, Sleepaway Camp, Pieces, X, and Terrifier. I mean, I would put Pieces in there just to say this is not all just cheap American movies. I will give you Pieces. It's cheap Spanish American movies. You want Pieces over Deep Red? For my money, yeah. Okay. I'm going to give you pieces cheap Spanish American you want pieces over deep red for my money yeah okay I'm gonna give you that

okay now you can give yourself one in the interest of a fair volley hmm I think I think I would still take deep red like over my bloody valentine

or prom night that's probably valid okay it makes a more diverse list it does and you are wearing the button now. And I'm wearing the button. And I'll have the magnet in eye shot of Alice very soon.

Psycho, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Deep Red, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Part 2. That gives us some core texts. And then House on Sorority Row, Silent Night, Deadly Night, Pieces. I think we need one more from there. And then we need to make a choice between X and Terrifier. Yeah. Can we just between X and Terrifier. Yeah. Can we just say X and Terrifier?

Did they come out in the same year? I don't remember. I don't know when the first Terrifier came out. It's one of those things that like even I hadn't heard of Terrifier until

Terrifier 2 came out. I was not on Terrifier in 2016 when it was released. It was released in the US. It played Telluride, it says. That can't be right.

You look dubious. That can't be right. Did Terrifier play Telluride? A bold choice for them. The Telluride Horror Show Film Festival. When are you going to start covering that? You probably have more fun. I honestly would.

That's actually crazy that I've not been to this. When is it? Is it in October? It's in October. I mean, you clearly love going there. Have you been there? No. You're coming with me next year.

I'll go to this. Okay. Maybe we should just go to this. Yeah. And then you'll be able to knock off a lot of horror films on your list. Because you said in your Telluride coverage, you were like, I kept telling the programmers they really need more Midnight and Cult movies. You know what you won't say to the Telluride Horror Festival programmers?

You need more Oscar bait. You will leave the Telluride Horror Festival and be you need more Oscar pay. You will leave the Telluride Horror Festival and be like, guys, you did it just right. You're right, I gotta go. It didn't, so Terrifier didn't open until 2018 in the US. March 15, 2018. I think X

was 2019. Maybe it was 2020. Might have been 2020. I think, was it pre-pandemic is the question. And of course we don't remember these things anymore. X was 2022 2020. Was it pre-pandemic is the question. And of course, we don't remember these things anymore. X was 2022. They're both post-pandemic. Yeah. It's funny how we both

were just so wrong about that. I mean, he's your friend. But you missed that. Yeah, and I read the script and I watched two cuts of it and we both missed that by four years. Yeah.

I love that. I love X. I think it's great. I mean, I would love one of those too. I'm just going to say we're going to cheat and we're going to put them

on together. To me, they represent kind of the alpha and the omega of where slashers are at right now. Again, like honestly, if we're at this imaginary marathon that I'm programming of these films, if you ended with that and people were like, I've been here for 11 hours and either one of those threaded up, people would be like, I'm psyched. I'm going out on a high note. This movie rocks. A modern classic.

100%. I'm having fun. Great, great note to end on. A modern classic. 100%. I'm having fun. Great note to end on. 100%. Okay. So then we have one more. We'll let it be dealer's choice. Okay.

Let it be Alex's. Wait, do we have one more? Because you put in deep red. Oh, so then we're done. Okay. Well, I'll read what we have and you tell me if you're comfortable with it or if you feel we need something else. All right. We have Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

We have Halloween. We have Friday the 13th Part 2. We have House on Sorority Row. We have Silent Night, Dead Massacre. We have Halloween. We have Friday the 13th Part 2. We have House on Sorority Row. We have Silent Night, Deadly Night. Scream. Psycho. Pieces. Deep Red.

And our X and Terrifier cheat. I mean, this sounds great. I forget what's yellow at this point, but if I'm going to a marathon and this is the lineup, I'm pretty psyched. This would be a good marathon. This would be a great lineup. Hmm. I like it. Do you want to order it in any specific way natural nonsense and like we're not like kind of cheating no just a lot of a lot of very like do you want to program it now do you want to say here's the order you know i think i think i'm out of energy you're done you're exhausted i mean not

really we're just sitting here having a fine time but that feels too too specific okay i don't know i mean you can do that if you want i've never done it before yeah i've never programmed a festival like you know what i mean like you want to work up to your you know you want to there's a lot of thought that goes into these things like in the way that there's always a movie or two that we're like well that we want to watch but that has to get saved for like the 29th, 30th, or 31st. Right, right. But you wouldn't want to put Halloween and House on Sorority Road next to each other. No, you'd want to space it out.

Yeah, you'd go, you'd open with Halloween and then you'd go pieces? I don't know. Sure. Okay, you won't go along with me on this. I mean, sure. That sounds fine. Okay. I don't know how people make these choices. won't go along with me on this. I mean, sure. That sounds fine. Okay. I don't know how people make these choices.

Do you feel we've built a good whole thing? There's like a lot of things that, yeah, I think it's a lot of fun. I would revel in watching these 10 movies or 11 in this order. And I hope this kind of just formed an excuse to let people listen to a lot of talk about slashers now that it's October

and maybe add a few things to their list. Yeah. And we can all check in on Tipper Gore. Make sure she's okay. See what Al's podcast is up to. I discovered while you guys were talking about slashers that he appeared on the Radio Davos podcast. So if you're not subscribed to that.

I see. What was discussed there? Climate change. Okay. Interesting. I'm going to go the other way. I feel like he's got like a shitty life where he only can talk about this now. Okay.

Nobody's like, what do you think of the economy? It's like where you're going to be in 25 years and they bring you on to go the other way. I feel like he's got like a shitty life where he only can talk about this now. Okay. Nobody's like, what do you think of the economy? It's like where you're going to be in 25 years and they bring you on to talk about slashers. You'll be like, how since we're already raw? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Sean almost got elected president of podcasts, but then they just gave it to someone else. Who's my George W. Bush in this equation? Who's my other, my flip side, the other coin? Are there like podcasts you have beef with?

Blank check. No, I love it. Fair answer. I love blank check. No, I don't think so. You're like... I'm not a beef... I guess maybe George Clooney I have beef with now. Yeah. You're gonna... Do you have a pod? Come out on the bottom of that fight, I suspect. No, he seems like a nice guy.

I wish Wolfs was better. What if Wolfs was just a slasher? What if they just revealed halfway through? Look, they announced Wolfs 2. Maybe they're saving all the good stuff for the sequel. Definitely. All the kills. Right.

Alex Ross-Perry, what else do you want to pitch? What else do you want to sell to us? You know, check out Pavements next year or at a festival. Check out the Kim's Video Underground Instagram that I do all this stuff on that Sean and Chris Ryan will soon be featured on that's true watch Strangeland

this Halloween and let us know if I led you astray I gotta go back to it okay Alex thank you so much thanks for having me thanks to our producer

Bobby Wagner for his work on this podcast thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode as well tune in later this week when I don't know what's coming Bob what's coming out on this episode as well. Tune in later this week when, I don't know, what's coming?

Bob, what's coming out on October 28th? Well, my computer just died, so I can't answer that for you. Well, it'll be a really good episode. I promise. One of our best yet, for sure. We'll see you then. Thank you.