The Big Picture - The 'Star Wars' Movie Draft

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

In a galaxy far, far away … Sean and Amanda use the force to bring in their fellow jedis Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Van Lathan for a 'Star Wars' movie draft. They share their anticipation (or lack there of) for ‘The Mandalorian & Grogu,' break down their relationships to the movies themselves, and draft some of their favorite and least favorite things about the iconic franchise. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Van Lathan Producer: Jack Sanders Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh and Sarah Reddy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Feas and Exclusion Supply. I'm Sean Fennacy. I'm Amanda. And this is the big picture, a conversation show about Star Wars. CR is here, which must mean we are drafting today, but he's not the only one. We are also joined by two superstars of fandom and culture podcasting, Mallory Rubin of House of R and Van Lathen of the Midnight Boys, ring your tailgate, higher learning, the rewatchables.

Yeah. The Big Picture podcast. Come on here a lot. What's your substack called? Oh, it's called Fuck You If You Dissigree. Right. All of those things. Okay.

That's a good one. Yeah. And I thought we should all... Is it fuck you if you disagree. Dot substack.com? It's actually the name of the blog part. I think it's just Van Lathen, but I think it's fucking... Yeah.

Either way is good. I just want to make sure people can get where they need to go. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A lot of strong opinions on that substack. I thought we could all get together to talk about Star Wars.

Yeah. Because there is a Star Wars movie coming out in less than a month. And that movie is called the man. Andalorian and Grogu. Yes. I can say for at least four of us, Star Wars is very important. Amanda, would you say that Star Wars is important to you? We're finding me.

We're once again finding me at a very interesting point in my Star Wars journey because I have two young sons. And they are coming alive to the possibility of Star Wars. And for whatever reason, I think it's mostly because my husband was like, yeah, let's show them Star Wars. I am okay with this. At least the original trilogy. I feel really good about showing to them.

I'll tell you why Van Lathen, because last night I and my older son Knox saw Phantom Menace together for the first time. Both of us sitting down for the first time. Yelza, that was bad. That was bad. It was bad to look at. I knew everything about Jar Jar Jar Binks

except actually what that character was like and I really couldn't believe it. Do you want to do the voice now? Yeah. You should do that on camera and into the mic. But millions of Star Wars fans just turned the podcast off. This is a fantasy.

You're a millennial and you're a prequel kid just because of your age group. Yeah, and I'm elder, though. Same. I don't know. I thought it was quite bad. So I'm watching these again as the parent of a child. And I was like, this is...

not interesting, visually ugly, and mostly about taxes, or trade routes or both. Honestly, wasn't clear to either of us, so that was sort of an issue. Very relevant. The original three are exciting and beautifully handmade and you understand, like, it's, you've talked about when your parents went to see it and the spaceship goes over your head and you're just like, wow, I'm seeing something magical. I was in utero at that moment. Yeah, and there we go. And here we are now. That's beautiful.

Yes, post-coital. One might say. So, well, eight months it after, yeah. Is that how long it was? Whenever it debuted in 77, it was right before I was born. Was the summer? Coincidence? I think not.

Yeah. Yeah. Look where I got to in my life. So I'm growing, you know, I'm learning and parts of stores I'm really embracing and other parts. Yeah. Well, that was a very open-minded testimonial there about the phantomeness. It was really bad.

So let's, I'd like for each of us to talk about the first Star Wars. movie that we saw and how it made us feel. Now, you've talked about this, obviously. You just shared that you, would you describe that as having seen it? When he was a fetus? That's a really interesting question about when life begins. Interesting. Okay, great.

Well, I was just a big word. Maybe only me, Van, and Chris should be able to talk about that. What do you guys think? Yeah. I think that's a good idea. We can just lean back. Just listen. Yeah. We'll just put it and relax.

Put down. Yeah. We'll just process and receive. What was your first Star Wars? So my first experience with Star Wars was, if you guys will recall, they re-released the original trilogy on the eve of the prequels. And my dad took me to see the re-release at the Senator Theater in Baltimore. And it is one of the foundational formative film going and fandom and nerd experiences of my life. Was it 97? What year was that?

So Phantom Menace came out in 99. So they re-released them in 98. 98. Yeah. heading into it. So I was like 12. I was in, you know, in middle school and it was just the best. And I remember like really kind of thinking back on that when Jason and I did binge mode Star Wars. And like I have this really specific kind of concrete memory in my mind. Like I feel perhaps apocryphly that I can remember where I was sitting. And yet like 10 times I've had to text my dad. Did we see this at the senator or the Charles? You know, so that's how memory works. Right. But every time I ask him that, he texts me back within 10 seconds. The senator, exclamation. point. Like, it's such a fun memory for him to have gotten to, like, introduce me to Star Wars. And then we rolled right in from the re-release of the original trilogy into Phantom Menace, which is like a foundational experience in another way, including recognizing at a very young, impressionable age,

that things are not always consistently excellent in, you know, your fandom is a journey over time. Sure. It is. So, yeah, it's just the best. And it's been a part of my life since I was very young. Do you remember your first one? I also went to that re-release. I went. I went, I think, Phipps Plaza in Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, you know it. And with my friend Drew, who is probably listening. And our parents had a similar thing where my parents were not super pop culture plugged in, as we have learned over these years. But even they were like, we think we should take you to go see Star Wars.

And I went with a friend. I remember being like, cool. Yeah, you know, that was pretty good. I don't think I saw the other two in theaters. So again, I was 14. So a slight difference in age and attitude at that point of my life. But that was a big deal. I remember it.

It was. The re-releases were huge. I assume you saw that. The re-releases? The first one was the first, but the first time you saw a Star Wars movie. Yeah, my dad showed it to me. This was back in the 80s. He was amazed by it.

He was one of the people that went to see Star Wars and just could not believe what he was seen. and he talked about it as if it were a legend. So by the time I get shown it, it's not like, you know, in the way that your parents give you, like, religion, and they tell you all the beautiful, amazing things about religion and, like, why it's important. That's how my dad, like, felt about Star Wars. He felt like that little Skywalker, Darth Vader, all of that stuff.

He was just, like, amazed by it. Now, he was not a sci-fi guy. So for him, it was kind of basically an action movie with, like, Yeah. He didn't look at it, but it became really quickly for me a religious experience, like from almost as early as I can remember all the way up for the rest of my life. You make a great point the way that it has transcended some of the tropes and cliches of classical science fiction. And I feel like when I was a kid, there was Star Trek and there was Star Trek and there was Star Trek. And Star Trek was pointy-headed.

And Star Wars was adventure. Star Wars was mythology. And it wasn't the same thing. And so I was always a Star Wars kid, and as I've gotten older, I've gotten more interested in Star Trek and kind of what Star Trek was really about. And I didn't have anybody put it in front of me when I was a young kid, but I did have my parents at a very young age. It's probably also like a scarcity thing. Like Star Trek is just always on like reruns and stuff when you would get home from school. And then Star Wars was like major event. The one thing that was funny thinking about opening remarks for this for this draft is that. So when does Revenge of the Sith come out? 2005, and it is the movie that I have seen in movie theaters more than any other film. So I don't think I saw the second two prequels in movie theaters. Oh, damn. And I think I've spent as much of my Star Wars life critiquing it as I have celebrated.

Sure. So, like, that is also another element of Star Wars and why the draft is probably really interesting, is that, like, from the earliest days of podcasting, Andy and I have been talking about, like, what would Star Wars be if it could be perfect? What would you do differently with Star Wars? What should they do with Star Wars on TV? How should they reimagine Star Wars? And it's been this thing that even before Force Awakens, we were talking about and then obviously through the sequels and the TV stuff and all the stop and start iterations of it in movies.

It's been a fascinating object of conversation and kind of Monday morning quarterbacking what they're doing with it, almost as much as it's been just pure I love these movies. Yeah. And I think that the perception of how much Star Wars. there is in front of you at any moment in time, obviously connects to how you relate to it. Like if you are an EU fan now, Legends, Canon fan or something, then, like, books, right?

That was your lifeline to Star Wars for a long time. And, like, the just absolute desert, the Tatooine-esque desert between film releases, like that was where you would seek out stories. Now you have, you know, for many Star Wars fans, like too much Star Wars. It's been a long time since the last movie, obviously, Rise of Skywalker was 19.

It's been like more than half a decade since a film, but there's been a glut of TV shows, right? And mileage may vary on your relationship to that. A lot is the word. Yeah, but, you know, if you're, like, obsessed with Star Wars, you can play the video games, you can build Lego helmets, you can read comics, you can read the novels, you can watch all the shows, you can watch the animated shows.

Everybody's relationship to it is different, and it can be the most important thing in your life or something where you're like, this is a blockbuster event, I'm going to check it out, and there are a million versions of that in between. I love hearing everybody's, like, first exposure to it and what the kind of, like, seminal aspect of it was, Because, you know, I think for me with my dad, it was about fandom and it was about science fiction and fantasy. But it was also real, like, Joseph Campbell hero's journey exposure, too, through Luke, obviously.

So there are just so many different gateways. And, like, I love now hearing from people. It's fun to hear how you're exposing knocks inside to it because the, like, order of how you would choose to introduce somebody to Star Wars now is such a fascinating thing. And I think that, like, for our peers, there will be people. in five, ten, twenty years who were like, the first thing I'm going to show somebody is Andor. You know, right? Yeah. That would be confusing, but yeah.

But that's a choice that you could make. It's a choice that you can make. Radicalize them. You know, part of my, legitimately, part of my development as a human being has been learning to appreciate the prequels. Like, not as an art, like, as a human being.

Because I went through, I've told this story before, such a herculean effort to see Phantom Menace. I was at Louisiana Tech University. Like, John's car had broken down. His tires weren't fixed. I got John's tires fixed on his car so that we could drive to Monroe and see the movie. This probably cost me $350 or $400, right, to go and see the movie because I had to see it.

In 1999, also. In 1999. And when I get there, I halfway through the movie, I'm like, yo, this isn't working. I'm looking at scenes. I'm like, yo, they dead ass right now. That's kind of how I felt when I was in Michael. And so, like, by the time I get to the end of the movie, I leave on the high of dual of the fates. And it feels like the end scene kind of laundered the rest of the film.

Had the exact same experience. Right. That was exactly how I felt. Yeah. But then later on, when at the height of the anti-prequel movement, I was leading that movie. It was a huge backlash to the prequels, right? Yeah, sure. I came to respect and enjoy them not only for what Lucas was attempting to do,

but for what he was able to do at the time, and for what I feel like was an irrational fan backlash to not being able to play with the same toys from the 70s. And it actually changed the way I view a lot of things, like, period. Because people set out to tell stories that will sometimes challenge you and won't be as accessible as you need them and want them to be. but analysis of that stuff to me is like how much you love it, what can you enjoy from it

and how it deepens the lore and your connection to what it is. And the prequels definitely deepened my connection to Star Wars. They deepen my appreciation for Star Wars and they sophisticated Star Wars for me a little bit even if they did that imperfectly. Yeah, I had a very similar experience as Amanda was showing my daughter the movies and I would say to a movie,

she's enjoyed every movie. She really threw herself into this and really be but I think I probably saw a new hope when I was four or five and I had we had them on VHS and so like they're very formative for me just in terms

of any kind of story and storytelling and I was voracious about the action figures and begging my parents and toys or us to buy me the action figures and when one was sold out like trying to figure out ways to order them somehow begging the cashier at the store like I was I had a very obsessive personality even then

and um I similarly was kind of heartbroken by Phantom Menace aside from the dual of the fate sequence. But to see that movie with Alice and to see how into Anakin she was and to watch Anakin become her favorite character in these movies is amazing. It is fascinating. And I never could have done that because I was 17 when the Phantom Menace came out. And I was 21, 23 when the Revenge of the Sith came out. So I do think it's a lot. lot of like when it hits you, when it finds you and what you're open to. And it doesn't change

the fact that like the CGI is not good in the Phantom Menace at times. But there are other times where like, I don't know, the pod racing sequence is like exciting and fun. Like it's like, if you're a little kid, that's, that's my movie making. My 18-month-old was in the room for the pod racing sequence and just kept pointing at the TV going fast, fast, fast, you know, so there is something primal about it that I understand. What you're saying is interesting with your relationship to the prequels because it does feel like Star Wars is both like the blueprint for fandom or modern fandom as we see it as we understand it and also like a living experiment like in real time of putting you all through these new situations of 20 years without something

and then you get these new things but it doesn't live up to both what you remembered both the originals and then everything that you've been filling in and spinning off side to side and I mean, that certainly was true with the, what are we calling the last trilogy? The sequel trilogy. The sequel trilogy. Where it's, you know, it's, it is funny. And even now with Mandeloreen and Grogu to watch everyone who has had such a deep relationship to these movies that are just giant pieces of corporate entertainment at this point and have been now for 25 years. And be both angry like about the corporate decisions, but also so

stressed out about the interpersonal connections and and like how is Mandalorian and Grog even going to be received and you're on a podcast being like I will not even like go watch it because, you know, the... And then, you know, Sean and I saw

17 minutes of it, the first 17 minutes at Cinemacan and, you know, it won't spoil too much to say that we watched over it, and you leaned over to me and very angrily whispered, why would they put that blank in these places? And your complaint was textual. Your complaint was you have not honored like the sanctity of my memories. So it's a fascinating social experiment that we're all doing in real time. I think it's just a deeply,

deeply, deeply personal piece of art that is also controlled at the highest levels by the biggest cultural entertainment conglomerate in the universe. And so there's an inherent friction. Like there's just a huge emotionality that comes with it. And then there's all this business concern. And then there's also, because it's been such a transformative act of movie making technologically, it's been also at the vanguard of the way that movies are made is changing for all of the sequels and even for the TV shows.

I mean, you can now look back on all these TV shows that Disney Plus made as the kind of key indicator of what happened to this holy union of the way that entertainment operates where it's like this is what TV is, this is what movies are, we don't really cross these streams, so to speak, and everything can be comfortable. And then once

they started doing that, and once the Mandalorian came around, it kind of changed the expectations for what is theatrical, what is a TV show, and now we're kind of like doubling back. We're unwinding from that. Well, they're trying to, but the number of people who don't understand that the Mandalorian

Laureate and Grogu is a movie instead of a TV show, then they're going to have to go somewhere else to see it. It's like it's a big hurdle for this. Or they won't go see it. I will say this. I do think that sometimes, particularly in the Star Wars community, we take a lot of larger cultural and artistic issues and make them specifically about Star Wars.

Everything has been corporatized, right? I played and really enjoy playing. The Godfather the video game. Sure, I played that too, yeah. That was a good video game. So what do you do in Godfather the video game? You start off... You put off...

Olive Oil. But you do, though. You start off on your rise as a soldier. You sit in an orange grove? And then you move up to beat a Don. All right. Okay? And it's a very fun game.

What was your... Do you have an Italian Don name? I can't remember. Okay. Like Don Enbrolio? This game comes out... This game came out like, what is it? 08, 2009, something like that.

It might have been earlier than that. It might have been earlier than that. But like, so like, and you know, then they make a movie on Paramount about the making of the Godfather, which in it of its... is kind of a cash grab to connect you to all of that. I think you'll find that was a TV show. But again, it's complicated.

Well, I mean, it's complicated. I watched every minute. Right. So, like, what I'm saying is that all of this stuff has been corporatized. I think with Star Wars, there's almost a specific criticism that people levy at it because of the expectation of the purity of Star Wars. Sure. The expectation of the feeling that you're supposed to get from the story, the themes of it

are about destiny and they're about, uh, family, they're about betrayal, they're about all of these things, and they felt so real, so real and so pure at that time. The question is, should you theme park ride them? And my answer is always the same. If you can do it right.

Yeah, exactly. Like, if you can do it right, do as much of it as you can. But when you do it wrong, people are going to have all kinds of reasons about why it's going wrong. And one is going to be you then stepped on a product and all of that stuff.

But if you can do it right, I'll take as much Star Wars as you're willing to give. I'm in a great place. I think you and I will probably discuss Andor more in depth on this pilot at some point next month. But I do feel like Andor gave me in my 40s what Star Wars gave me when I was seven. And so I'm like, anything else after this is honestly a bonus. A better understanding of Marxism? Well, just like that was everything I ever wanted that I couldn't articulate.

It was like that adult version of Star Wars and that level of complexity and drama and a world. building experience. It's like everything I had ever wanted as an adult from that when we were joking about like, wouldn't it be cool if they set cheers at Moss Isley? Like, you know, like they gave Tony Gilwara $600 million and that's what he made and I'll, I mean so this is like, even with Grogu, all jokes

aside, I'm like, I hope it's good. You know? I'll, I will see it. You're going to come with us. It's fine. Max is counting on it. He also thinks Sequin Barclay is coming, so it's going to be, I'm not going to have to You get like five of these. You get like five noxes counting on it before I start to get suspicious.

Are you excited about it? About Mando Grogo? Yeah. I mean, my relationship to like any new Star Wars release is generally, I will hope desperately that it's good until I have been robbed of every single reason to allow myself to think that. Like I love Grosu. Somehow Palpatina returns is one of the low points of my life. I was sitting next to Sean when that happened. And I'm like still...

That was a tough one. Yeah, I mean, I think that everything you're saying, my relationship to the prequels is similar as well where like I think that phantom menace and Attack of the Clones are like terrible movies, but the prequels are very important to me into my Star Wars fandom. And I think Sith is like just actually genuinely unironically great. I think that two of the three sequel movies are very good. Obviously one of those two is quite divisive.

I think that Rise of Skywalker is not only a bad movie, but a shameful to the like, where do the corporations get in and meddle too much? A shameful manifestation of fearing your own fan base, right? And the need, and obviously, like, we've talked about Us Jedi over the years. We don't agree on it. That's fine. I think that like a healthy debate about what to do inside of a Star Wars movie

is like totally valid. I think the way that that manifested was unfortunate. And I think that Lucasfilm and Disney feeling that they then had to like walk back the direction of that sequel in order to like appease some of the bad faith voices in the fandom to the point where like not only do things in that movie happen that make no sense. If you've been reading books for years and you're all like current on Palpatine cloning like whatever, but somehow Palpatine returns is like embarrassing as a story beat and a line of dialogue and all of it. the lack of confidence to actually follow through on Chewy, all of that. Having like the... I agree. I love Chewy.

Yeah, I love Chewy. But it was like... It was like representative of a certain type of fear that was like driving that film. And I think the like moment of, oh, you know, like lightsaber should be tweet. Like the weapon of a Jedi should be treated with more respect is just a sub tweet at the prior film in a way that I think is like deeply lamentable. When Star Wars is in that place, you can't operate with confidence. I mean, the reason that Andor is so great is because it's an excellent, assured piece of storytelling, but also because it was, like, created from a place of intention.

You can look at Andor and say, New Hope, then we go to Rogue One, and then we go to Andorne. If you want to broaden even further, you can say Rebels takes place in parallel, if you're interested in the animated verse. That's a lot of expanded world building and storytelling. That's not like, oh, you can't keep going back. to the same well in Star Wars. It's like you have to do it well. So Mando Grogu, like, I think that the question of should that be season four of a TV show or a movie is completely valid.

And certainly the trailers, which like I found very exciting because I think that Grogo is one of the only pure and good things in the last like 10 years of being alive. I just think Grogu is iconic and I love him and he makes me really happy. I like the Inzellons. I like Dyn. I thought seasons one and two of Mando were like really excellent in season three was very and even sometimes good, often bad. I don't know if that should be a show or a movie,

but if it's a movie and it's good, I don't know that we'll care if it was a movie or a show. We'll care that it was good. What do you think? So last thing I'll say, I know we got to get into the draft. A couple of things. Number one, there is a lot of times we talk about corporate failures and there certainly have been corporate failures from Disney.

But these things to me, to the degree that things are corporatized, it's when story and narrative power fails and or a lot of money made by our corporation. That's one guy that they said, hey, go do your story, right? When we go back and look at even the intention of or the construction of the sequel trilogy,

three directors on three different movies. Couple of got fired. A couple of got fired, but like three different, that doesn't make any sense, right? Like, that's not the way typically these movies have been made. These movies have been made with a sense of a three-story art. You're trying to get to something at the end. And you're doing that.

You're committed to that. For all of the people who were sickened and disgusted by Jedi turning Luke Skywalker into a coward. That's not what happened in that movie. That's exactly what happened. By Jedi turning Luke Skywalker. Also turning into, but whatever. Like turning Skywalker into a little. a coward. The reality is

if turning Skywalker into a coward is the way that you get to some sublime emotionally and narratively brilliant conclusion in the third movie, great. Yeah. But if that gets you to

somehow Palpatine has returned, I got to ask why my favorite white boy threw his lightsaber away. And like that is what leaves you hollow. This is revisionist history because I agree. This can't be the Last Jedi about...

No, of course. You were saying that after Last Jedi, not after Rise of Skywalker. I'm saying what? Those complaints about Last Jedi were in real time. They weren't a result of Rise of Sky.

No, no, no. Last thing I said. But that's not what I mean. Somehow I doubt it. Just real quick. No, no, that's not what I mean. What I mean is that the movie,

it's that decision, that storytelling decision could have been made whole if it was going someplace that... I agree. Even though we just... I agree about The Last Jedi, it still was a failure in that respect because there was no follow-through on whatever storytelling decisions were made in the last Jedi.

Yeah, yeah. For sure. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So Luke Skywalker is your favorite white boy ever. Of all the white boys.

Of any white boy ever. Luke Skywalker and then Ryan Gosling from Drive. Close number two. Where do CR and Sean Ray? I mean, these are my white boys. Okay. That don't count. You know what I'm saying?

Wow. Well, we're going to get Ryan Gosseling very soon in the Star Wars movie. He killed it in that one. Didn't say shit just drove and fucked people up. I love it. Somehow I don't think that's going to be the energy he brings to Starfighter based on his past few films. And Sean Levy's Uvra.

We got to draft movies. And obviously there are only 11 of these movies. And as we've noted, some of them are quite bad. And that's so weird for something to be so special to so many people and also to be almost evenly divided between the good and the bad, Close to. So with that in mind, I've devised a slightly new kind of draft for us. Different kinds of categories than we've done before.

Yeah. And I'm hopeful that you guys... Possibly more strategic in a lot of ways? I think so. So just to clarify, then, the animated theatrical release Clone Wars from 08 is not eligible. Well, I'll put it on the board to have a discussion about it. I've not seen the film. I would consider it...

What? Sorry, I was honestly ranking my favorite white boys. That's a whole other... episode. I don't, you know. Well, I mean, I was going to ask where Ben Affleck is on your list. Oh, boy. Batfleck is up there. But I count what about, what's like?

Let's talk about, I mean, shout out to them, but like, no, they're not up there. Okay. All right. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to them, but we're not, you know. Wow. I mean, I put fucking Chipper Jones above. You know what?

Despicable. That is with a mess in a Phile. Fieness. You're not. Make sure it says like crazy. Maga. Look, I know there's some problematic shit.

What just happened? But I used to fuck with Chipper Joe. It was it mean? Chipper Jones over the B.C. boys? That's fucking bullshit. I don't fuck with the B.C. boys like that. I love Paul's with T. I love all that stuff.

We have to delete the episode. I really was excited about this draft. But y'all realized for me coming up, I watched, I had a, I know Chipper is who Chipper is. So you fucking don't like Last Jedi and you like Chipper Joe. Chipper Jones was the baddest motherfucker at third base for. a long time for my favorite team. Like, some of this,

it's diminishing returns, man. As always, I'm glad you're here, but what the fuck. I'm just being for real, man. Okay, here are the categories. So we're going to be drafting from seven categories for five drafters. That's going to be 35 draft picks. The categories are as follows.

Movie. This is very simple. Yeah. You draft a movie, a Star Wars movie. One of 11 or 12 films. One of 11 or 12 films. Wait, so what is the 12th one? So the Clone Wars, which is an animated film,

but it was a theatrical release. It made 80 million. In theory, it should, it could be eligible. You're right, it's eligible. And it is the first installment of what became a more than decade long-running animated series, which I will say to you once again, especially if Alice has said, Anakins Skywalker is my favorite character. You simply must watch the Clone Wars. Now, the movie pretty bad. I'm trying to limit the screen time here.

So the idea of like an 80-episode animated series is a lot. It's more than 80 episodes. The Clone Wars and Rebels are both wonderful. Rebels is, I think, one of the best Star Wars products, period, ever. I really would recommend it. The movie, the Clone Wars movie is pretty bad. The television show is really good. The movie's pretty bad.

However, Rada the Hut, Jabba's son, known by Stinky in that movie, is of course a character in Mando Grogu, voiced by Jeremy Allen White. That's correct. So you can consider it homework. Is it just voiced or is he doing a circus stuff? You think he's out there in like the... The Big Hudson? I hope so.

Maybe we'll find out with one of those behind the scenes mocap videos where he's got a tennis ball on his head. He's like smoking. He's just like, I'm trying to get Rodd his head. Yeah. Does he sing any blues songs in the film? I honestly feel like the number of times I personally, in my little screen, of just doing that meme with all the numbers, I'm trying to understand what's happening,

is already at like 15. We're not helping each other out, but we're also... I've already Googled what is the chronological order of all the Star Wars properties? Chronological. So, and now I'm reading a Reddit page, and I'm reading about Attack of the Clones, which I was conflating with Clone. It's fine.

I did do homework. for this. I prepared my own version. She and I chatted last night. We're talking. Sounds like it was a good talk. Okay, second category after movie. This is movie you've been cursed with. Yeah. Can you explain this one to us? Yes. You will be drafting a movie for someone else.

And you will be cursing them with that movie. For example, we know that Van does not like The Last Jedi. Coming around to it, but no. It's too late. You don't like the Last Jedi. you do like Chipper Jones. Yeah. Now, there's two ways to think about this.

You guys better put that on the lower third for Van. Yes. Chipper Jones, Stan? Don't forget you exist alongside Van's favorite white boys with Chipper Jones. You're in league with him as am I. So this is complicated for us. I mean, like it's a big tribe, the white boys. Sure is.

There can be different sides of the aisle there. And you say growing stronger every day. Luke Skywalker being number one is not really a list. You want to be on it, my opinion. 303 career batting average, 468 home runs. Just please, no more. That's cursed. You basically are saying, hey, I know you don't like this.

Fuck you. Yeah, or we all agree this movie isn't good, and you're cursed with it. So you're not only selecting the film, but the person to get into it. You can only give it to, like, there's only one pick per person. So if Amanda gives me a movie and I give Mal a movie, you know, me and Mal can't. So just to clarify, though. Okay. Movies can be drafted again in cursed.

No. There's only 11 movies available, period, because there's only two pure movie category. So the movies category will be good movies that we like. Yes. The movie you're cursed with is we are assigning what we think is either overall the worst movie or the one that is most personally galling to the person we're giving. Correct. So like we could, to just stick with the animated example, Chris famously hates animation,

could give Chris Clone Awards because he despises animation and doesn't think it's a viable art form. You absolutely could do that. Interesting. Okay. But it's not element. I'll say it is eligible. Why not? It is. Which is, I mean, now there are two movies I haven't seen it.

It also just, it brings Asoka into the character set. So I think, I think that is meaningful. Just throw that out there. Soca. Throw it out. You know you're right. I think it's more meaningful in an inclusion. That's great.

That's right. That's right. How was I supposed to know how it was spelled? No one at home can see what you see. Oh my God. The third category is Skywalker family member. Okay. So we were talking about this before you got here because you, Sean Fennacy, the architect of this demented game.

The architect from the Matrix. Have been dealing out inconsistent information. And you and I had a long chat in the press box at Cinemacon about who was and was not a Skywalker. And you were doing, you were being a little bloodline about it. You were saying no one by marriage. No, that's absolutely not true. That did not happen. See, now he's angry just because...

You just completely lied. Like, that did not happen. In fact, I just talked to Mallory about this yesterday. That's fine. You said in the press box sitting next... Should we be picturing you guys? That was completely made up and I don't know what you're talking about because I did not say that. I was literally naming people and you were like, no, that's not a Skywalker.

It's fine. I'm envisioning the two of you like Palpatine and Anakin in the opera box and like the evil head turned like this just talking. Just time of... Yeah. No. Marriage is eligible. Okay. All right.

Well, no. So, Bloodline, marriage, and you could get creative. Okay. Was there a press park? Interesting. There's a press area. I like the idea of you, like,

tapping away on your... That is what it is. It's hundreds of people with their laptops open. Pam Abbdy and Mike DeLucah. People are straight up in the CMS typing up their pieces. Well, that person. Did Darth Blagus the Wise come up at all? This person?

Yes. No one. We're talking. No one. Right. Well. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, look at this collaboration. Allegedly, yes, this person is because they're married in by marriage. So there you go. This is fascinating. You're working together. Van is helping Amanda. I'm not helping.

That could come into play. I'm saying you wouldn't call Lars a Skywalker. Nope. But by marriage. By marriage, he would, that, yeah. Clay Lars would be eligible as Schmey's husband. That's what, that's yes. That's true.

I was about to. I was about to. I don't know that would be the choice of me. But. Is that? O'N is. Clee is his dad. He married Shmeen.

Where's he in? And then Owen. Is that Joel Edgerton? Owen is Joel Edgerton. Yeah. Kleeg is the guy. Remember he's in the, come to him is like he married.

Yeah. It doesn't matter. I'm not going to drive. We don't really need to worry about this. I mean, it's not the deepest category. You never know. I was about to get to a whole patriarchy type thing. Like if you marry,

who can marry into somebody's family, you know? Yeah. Would you let Chipper Jones marry into your family? I would just say Star Wars is, in many ways about found family and we should have a pretty broad interpretation of what family is. It's my opinion. It's for advanced Thanksgiving. We're fully decked out in real tree.

Okay, the fourth category is hero or villain? I have a question. Oh, God. Shoot. So a character can only be drafted in one category. Of course, characters are eligible in more than one category. So if a character is taken in Skywalker, they cannot also be taken in hero villain. Why are hero and villain together instead of being two separate categories?

Because that's what I wanted to do. Okay. Damn. A lot of characters in Star Wars. We could have gone even deeper. It's really fun when you're in here all day. Could have been here all day. So far going great.

The fifth category is vehicle. Okay. Chris just looked at his watch. No, I was just curious where we were at. 97% of the vote, though. By the first ballot hall of fame, which is like, 97%. You heard of baseball. Vehicle.

Good to know. We'll be editing you entirely out of this episode. Vehicle can be anything. It can be an individual vehicle that one character is known for flying or driving. Can it be a star vehicle for an actor who appeared in a film? No, that's not knowledgeable. It can be various military vehicles that we know about

from the empire or the rebellion. This is one where I was like, no problem. I got this. The next category is problematic character. Oh. In what regard? Well, I would like to leave this open to interpretation.

To me, I feel like you can read a lot of characters that are beloved as problematic, and you can read a lot of problematic characters as beloved. It's one of interesting things about this series is that it is obsessed with cultural heritage but not specifically

race in the way that we think about it and it's come under some fire over the years and then there's other characters where I'm like why is that not a problem? We can explore that here. So then it can be the more overtly like way we think about this is problematic but it so we're not talking like problematic

fave. This is a character for like derision and ridicule you just have to make the case when you're like I think if you're like, I'm horny for Kylo Ren, that can be your pick. Yeah. A lot of established facts here's the ring or podcast. I think cultural problematism is what we're discussing here. Okay.

Jar Jar's already been invoked. Jarjar has already been invoked. Jarjar, historically problematic movie character. But you could go to the Kylo route or another character. You got to make a good case for it. I think it will make for an entertaining category. Interesting. Good?

Okay. The last category is Wildcard, which is literally any cool thing about Star Wars. Anything. Anything. It could be an object, could be a person. Oh. Could be, if you wanted to be a TV show, it could be that. Okay.

Oh, whoa. You could do anything. Now, you can't, there's no addressing TV shows otherwise throughout the other six categories. Although, Rogue One will have some of our favorite characters. Yes. And so then because some of those characters appear on TV shows, you will be able to claim them because they appear in Road. And Mandelary and Grogu counts, doesn't count. We haven't seen it yet, so I feel like it's not, we shouldn't make it eligible yet.

Okay. So like the Razor Crest ship is not eligible in vehicle because that's just been in trailer so far at a television show. Nothing from the, okay, cool. Interesting. Nothing from the TV shows is eligible in the draft. Yeah, it's the movie's draft. It's got to come from the movies.

This is the big picture. Yes. Cool. Aren't something. What else? Jeez. Does that make sense? Yep.

Of course. There are, of course, many of the canonical characters have appeared in both film and television. Of course, a lot of them. Not all of them. Right. But you've just found a loophole for a Socutano. So that's good for you. And now, if you come in last place in the voting,

if you come in last place in the voting, do you promise now in front of everyone to do the entire Odyssey pot as Jar Jar. Just checking in, how many more Jar Jar Jha jokes do you have? I would say, I honestly don't know if draft order is crucial here. Is it crucial? I think so. I don't know.

We know that you think so. You could think so, but I think you also have a very specific view of... I personally think having a top three pick... Yeah. Well, I think having a top three pick would be meaningful, but I think it's such a deep set of candidates in many of these categories that, like, no one's fucked no matter where they end up. And obviously, coming around quicker on the turn is, I think, very beneficial in this draft.

So you can probably make your piece no matter what. Okay. Jack Sanders, we need the draft order. Van, what the fuck are you doing, man? Chipper Jones? Are you kidding me? We're laying on the ground. I understand what's happening.

We're dying and you're kicking us while we're down. Say, Chipper was the man. What the fuck? He was not. One of the best high school players of all time as well. This is, look. Shameful. Drafting first is Sean.

Wow. You know, it's been a while, though. I think it's been a while. It's fucked up. It's nice to hear. It's nice to hear that. That home cook in here. Everything's coming up fantasy this week.

That's so nice. Drafting second is Mallory. Okay, I feel fine now. Interesting. I feel pretty good. Grafting third is Van. Nice. We're chipper Jones used to bat, right?

Third. Hot corner. You played third. Fourth Amanda and fifth, Chris Ryan. Okay. Okay. How do you feel about that? We'll see. Yeah.

That's... Okay. Wow. I think I know what you're going to do at five, actually. I feel happy for you. I actually think this board worked out well, probably, for what every individual person wants to do. That it's going to be boring. Okay.

Can you repeat the draft order so I can remember it? Sean first, Mal, second, van, third, Amanda, fourth, Chris Fifth. I'll put it up on the TV and it's in the dock as well. Okay, that's exciting. Gosh. Sheesh. I feel like one and two are both extremely strong positions.

I agree. I actually think the top three is really good. The top three? Yeah. Yes. I feel like there's a clear order in the top three. I agree. That's interesting.

When we get through the top three picks, we'll see if we're thinking the same thing, but I suspect we are. There could be chaotic memes made really. There could be chaotic moves as well. It could be. It's a draft. There's always some chaos. I think Chalk's Empire Strikes Back as the first overall pick, which is one of the greatest movies ever made. Is the greatest sequel ever made?

Yeah. The greatest sequel ever made? It's better than Godfather 2, in my opinion. What is with you and Godfather 2? It's got some flaws. Yeah, what are they? There's a three and a half hour podcast where I illuminated some of them. I prefer to re-listen to JFK

I really love it I think it's a great film but I like the Empire Strikes Back more and it hit me at a different time in my life and I think it's amazing that it turned out the way that it did because it wasn't as fully conceived as we like to think it was

the more you read about it the more you realize that while Lucas had an idea for a trilogy he had not really mapped out where that movie was going to go and that very smart decision to make the movie darker to give it a bummer remembering to, I think, Center Han in the way that he did in the movie.

And that's solo. I think it's an incredible feat of movie storytelling. And it's my favorite Star Wars movie. And I would say New Hope is right behind it. You know, like it's right up there. But Empire Strikes Back in movie, which I think is fairly straightforward. Would others have gone in a different direction?

I would have. I would not have gone in a different direction. I would have done that same thing. You would have gone in a different direction? I would have gone New Hope. Yeah. this is going to work out well for you because I know what you would have done

at number one and you're going to get to do it at three because I am taking a new hope and Van will be taking Darth Vader. So, because those were clearly a top three picks in some order, I think no question. But at the end of the day, I think that the character fields,

all of them, are just much deeper and stronger than the movie field. Again, kind of like a little bit of an irony inside of Star Wars where the quality is most limited in the films themselves. And then there are all of these iconic people and things and ideas inside of them.

Empire, also my favorite Star Wars movie, I would have taken it at one, but I'm thrilled to have New Hope at two. It's a coin flip between those two, two of the most iconic and important movies ever made. And a New Hope changed movies. It changed genre films, but it changed movies and it changed movie history,

and it is one of the most seminal and foundational installments in the history of story. I think that it's connection to this larger tapestry again, whether it's like the hero's journey or something like, how did Frank Herbert's Dune inspire George Lucas? And now you look at the Dune movies and there's this new generation of filmgoers who are like, wow, that's a lot like Star Wars.

And then you get people to discover the actual connected nature of these things across time. It's like, it's just inextricable from the history of story and movies. If you made me pick, even though A New Hope is not my favorite empire is, if you made me pick my single favorite moment in Star Wars history, I'm like going to cry It's binary sunsets There's just nothing like it It's like

Is that why we get the busy skies We have a tissue in the back It's the best So I just It's yeah I'm thrilled I'm thrilled And I'm happy the van gets to take

The Chipper Yeah Would you have done Vader at one? Yeah Okay Well that I doubt Well so the question is

What category Because you can Draft him in Skywalker family Or hero or villain Or you can draft him In hero or villain See this is what I always get fucked up

in drafts. I'm going to take him in hero or villain. Interesting. Yeah, I shouldn't probably take him in Skywalker family. I'm going to take him a hero. And now that category gets a little slimmer. Boy, boy, okay. Yeah, I'm going to take him a hero villain.

I'm going to thin that out a little bit. I think that this is, it's difficult to talk about how iconic the character is, one of the most iconic characters in American and World. cultural history. And interesting, when you first see, this is, to me, a gauge of how Star Wars was

when it was creatively pure and kicking. Throughout the three movies, you got more Darth Vader. But as you got more Darth Vader, the character got deeper and better. So the idea that, like, the more Star Wars you get, the more it's watered down

is directly refuted by the character arc, to me, of the of the of Vader that the entire thing is oriented around get a little bit of them

he's scared you get more of them you learn that he has this cosmic tragedy that he looks at his son for redemption for and then at the end he gets that redemption

so you get more of Vader and it gets better that to me is Star Wars he is synonymous with villain with evil but he is also synonymous with twisted good

he's the breathe, the breathing, the moving, the lights, everything, cool-ass motherfucker that your heart goes out to. Like, to me, there's, I can't think really of a character that is superior to him in culture period as far as mythology is concerned. How much of this pick is a pick for Anakin as it is a pick for Darth Vader? Does this pick take Anakin off the board? Yes. It does. Yeah. It does.

Yeah. Has to. Anakin is a whole other character. He's the same person. Yes. You know what's funny is he is a whole other character, but in a way he's not. He is a whole other character.

But the darkness that manifests itself that it's always existed inside of Anakin Skywalker is this idea that we all have that thing that if someone sees it and decides to pull us out of it, to pull it out of us, should I say, that we can become that. So Darth Vader is as much a part of Anakin's nature as he's genociding sand people, right? Like, as he's doing all the stuff that he does, it's just as much a part of him as the goodness that's a part of him.

The selflessness that's a part of him. The women and the children, too. Yeah. So, like, to me, these guys are like one and the same. And the movie is about how someone can see you and take advantage of you and use you, use your power to their end. George Lucas has said, like, many times Star Wars is, if it had to be distilled to one thing, It's the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. You can't say Anakin and Vader

are separate people. You just can't. So whenever I'm having a bad day, yeah, they just open up YouTube, and I look at the sequence at the end of Rogue One when Vader is annihilating rebels. Fucking awesome.

Yeah. And it's like, we've discussed this multiple times on pods before. It's like, it's the one time, really the one time, when I got the very small feeling of childhood Star Wars enjoyment.

Yeah. Of like, I'm six. and this is exactly what it was like or what I wanted to see when he's using the force to raise people to the roof of the the corridor there

and it's interesting that they gave us just a little little just a tiny taste of that over the last 10 years now he did show up on the fucking whatever TV show was it Obi-Wongan show? Yeah he's in the show the show is a lot I mean he's still rich

I mean Anakin is the main character of the Clone War show and Obi-Wan and Assook are also the main character of that, but not theatrical movie Darth Vader. Yeah, Vader is in Rebels. You're going to get that childhood feeling of wonder when you watch Assoca and Vader duel in the season two finale of Rebels, Twilight of the Apprentice, and that mask cracks

and you see Antica Zine and he says, Assoca, you know? We have some little left in this life. We're Beatles movies and that. That's tough. I don't know if I have 200 episodes of animated Star Wars in front of me. Rebels is fantastic. Rebels is great.

Okay. Okay, excellent and interesting pick for the future of this game. Okay, so Amanda, you're fourth. I've been spending this entire time deciding whether I want to do this to Chris. And I kind of have to. Interesting. And I'm really, and I know. Well, honestly, it'll open up the floodgates.

I think it is the correct thing. I think it's my pick also. But like, I want you to know that you're my friend and that you were. I think that when you think about like, your blank check appearance, like your last couple of months of podcasts. What happened on the blank check? The groundwork to do what I think you're about to do. Yeah, that's true.

Okay. Blank check was recorded many months ago, so I don't remember. I was like, did I make fun of Chris? This is also my guy. It is your guy. But I do have to, in Skywalker, take Skywalker by marriage, Han Solo, who is just a very hot, charismatic man. And is my entry point into what is exciting.

about Star Wars. And it's very funny watching it with a small child who is way more into Luke and even Leah. And I keep being like, but what about that guy? Are you interested in Han Solo?

Look at him. He's swashbuckling. He's doing fun. Oh, you don't like, you don't like Han? He's not in a white... Yeah. But I think him being

in the Skywalker category... By marriage. I think you two did the categories in the opposite way. I would have taken Vader in Skywalker and I would have taken Han and Hero. But it doesn't...

I mean, at the end of the day, he cares. I'm playing by the rules. Yeah, exactly. He just yelled at me about it. You're playing by the rules. And, you know, he did the nostril flare and everything. Don't lie. Don't lie on the line.

It's that simple. Don't lie. It's fine that you don't remember any conversation we've ever had, but you can't turn it on me. This is an incredibly strong machine right here. Except when it comes to social interactions with other people. Only you. That's fine. I never doubted that Amanda would be selecting Han Solo in the first round.

And frankly, I thought if Amanda got the first pick, she would have taken Han Solo there. I don't know whether I... The one question Adam asked me before is, what will you do depending on how the board falls if Amanda gets Han before you? And I said, I am prepared for that. We're the two greatest... Solo goes before Luke Skywalker. Harrison Ford enthusiastous. For me, a thousand percent.

Like, Luke Skywalker. He never slips. Yeah. He never, he never fucks up. Skywalker is like kind of whiny and also, you know, has the burden of expectation. He has the burden of the name. Hans Solo is just there to have. have a good time and, you know,

fall in love with Leah. Listen, I love you, I know. Like, A plus. It taught a whole generation of women to not expect that much from men, but also, you know, when the going gets tough, you're going to get, like, half an admission of emotion.

You know what? Let's beat down this Lilith fair-oriented narrative around solo right now. Yeah. You know why she appreciated it? Why? Because she knew that that took a lot. Leah.

Leia. Because she knew how much it took for him in that moment to connect with that. That was Han giving his best at that time, which we used to be able to do for one another. I agree. But he also didn't have to say too much, which I really appreciate. You don't want to say too much ever. Did the movie solo, which is a part of this draft? It sure is.

Dilute. Con is a character for you I wasn't as mad as everybody else about that Same hashtag makes solo too happen I went back and it's not Alden's fault Yeah Well No I agree with that

Yeah Like it Nobody other than Harris support should be asked It's not his fault But I agree it's not his fault It's a really bad script It's an incredible bungle In a million directions

Totally it's way off The firing Lord Miller Which is we now see to In the light of Project Hail Mary's Day What an absolute nightmare decision. That was not letting those guys try to figure out a new tone for Star Wars, which could have set up an entirely interesting new future. Getting scared of the tone that they were going for there was horrible. Alden's fine. I like him a lot as an actor, but the movie is just as I, I think

I wrote a column about it when the movie came out. I was like, this movie's not special. There's nothing exciting about telling this story. And it's the same vibes that I'm getting from Mando right now. The most like, hold your breath moment of solo is him playing cards with Lando. You know, like, oh shit. This is like, like dog lover's really going for it here. And that, but like all the action sequences, the train robbery's okay. Sounds like we can curse Sean with solo.

That's, that's what's... No, I don't think it's the worst Star Wars movie. I just think it's kind of a nothing. Has anyone ever told you you have some Dryden Voss vibes? Oh, is that Paul? The drafts bring that out in me.

Yeah. Yeah. Great pleasure yacht, though. First Light. Oh, bet me? Oh, I mean, there could be worse things to be compared to. He was the man in that movie. Not a bad villain. Yeah, he worked.

Yeah. Pretty good villain. Yeah. Anyway, Hunt Solo. I'm sorry, Chris. That's okay. Okay, CR. I would say those are the big four in this draft. Skywalker family, I'm going to take Luke Skywalker.

While he goes up and down over the course of the sequels, I would say for those first three films and especially some of the shit he pulls and Return of the Jedi, it was just my guy, you know? Like doing the backflip off of the prison barge. That's your first example Of what he does that's cool Iconic Killed his dad too

That was sick But no Luke Skywalker Is like he and Han Are the ways in for Star Wars And I think is ultimately Like the kind of missing pieces Of the prequel for me

Or it's like I never really got into Hayden Christensen Also like you kind of know where that's going And Han Solo is like The cool factor that I think the prequel's missed for me Like that kind of like Get a load of all this shit attitude. I don't know why I'm talking about Hans Solo.

Clearly mad that I get to draft him. But Luke is the root of all the mythological stuff that I think attracts people to Star Wars across generations. And it's just like a kid from nowhere becoming the most important thing in the universe. It's like this really

powerful dream, you know? And when you say from nowhere, you mean hidden in his father's home. Still drives me crazy that they made that choice. Just very quick sidebar. Whenever I'm playing Star Wars with my daughter, she's always like, be this person. And then there's like a line that you go to to be that person.

So whenever she's like, be Luke Skywalker, I always say, I'm Luke Skywalker. I'm here to rescue you. Yeah. Like there's like some. Oh, okay. Give us a little, give us a little Tashi station. Little power converter.

Power converters. Yeah, power converters. Yeah. That's not true. For Han? That's impossible. What do you think is the like go-to Han? line.

Boring conversation anyway. Oh, you can't you like almost can't pick. There are so many. Well, that was why I asked a question

so you could pick. Oh, but I mean, it's like, God, every Han moment is iconic. I never know what to say

when she's like too Han. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could use a kiss. I do think I love you, I know,

is very high on the list. Never tell me the odds, obviously iconic. That's a good one. I like that one. Perhaps counterintuitively some of the subtler Han moments are actually

the best ones, especially on a rewatch. Like, you know, Luke training with the training remote and Han challenging Obi-Wan heading into that, you know, first step into a larger world moment, which is also iconic. That's the quintessential Han line to me. Exactly. That Han moment is sort of like. Hokey religions is not going to be a good black. That is his mantra.

And you just understand his worldview from that moment so clearly. And then, of course, when you build toward like something like in Force Awakens, it's like, that's not how the force works. You feel like you have just lived an entire life with this person. That's fandom at its best, I think. Okay religions was my yearbook quote. So thank you. It's really good. You know what my favorite moment from Han ever is, though, that to me told me about the character when I was a kid?

This is just tall for Luke. We just immediately started talking about it. There's a reason Han went first. I love Luke Skywalker. But my favorite Han moment is actually the moment where Luke fainz that he has incestual love for his sister. And Han. Faines? That's a very generous interpretation.

That's the way I look at it now. Yeah. Okay. The proto-Targarians. Let's be real. And Han right away starts fucking with him. Like right away starts poking holes in loop. Peacocking.

Just right away. I don't know. Maybe a guy. And he's not serious about it at all. He's just fucking with the kid, Han Solo. Han Solo. And that's kind of what Star Wars was for me at the first. So, you know what you're going to do here.

Yeah, you have to do it. I'm going to take Rogue One movie. Of course, yeah. A movie that's probably like got two things going forward and against it. One, Sean's point about the Darth Vader scene at the end, I don't think I remembered a single thing about Rogue One other than that because it was so intense that I had like a blackout because of how I felt at the very end of that film.

And then Andor coming along and expanding it and giving so much of Rogue One like a resonance and a meaning that it maybe didn't have on first viewing. But watching Rogue One after Andor, we did a pot about that. I thought it really deepened my experience. And Rogue One is just the best version of the Disney Star Wars experiment so far, I think, in terms of on big screen, to me. I think that despite a lot of MacGuffins and Planet Hopping, it still has a through line that I really attach myself to. It's got a great villain.

It's got incredible set pieces. And I think is going to age very well. So I'll go Rogue One in movies. Scarf's sequence still just looks astonishing, that kind of crystalline. water. Oh, gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's also like underrated.

It's got Ben Mendelssohn and Mads Mickelson and it's got great actors and really great parts. Crenicules. Yeah, Donnie Young. Yeah. Yeah. It's really slick. It's more grown up.

It's the most grown up of the movies. And I actually did watch it with Alice and while we were watching it. I was like, this is a war movie. Oh, yeah. This is a real, like, trench warfare movie. And there's some great spy stuff and there's some fun Star Wars lore components of it. But it is a real. really down and dirty bomb them out of their whole kind of film.

And even just the ideas and the conversations are so mature and nuanced. You know, Cassian, like, now it's real for you is one of, I think, the great subtle challenges character to character in Star Wars history. This is a draft. I think it's been a super great celebration so far. I'm curious. Do you guys think we should try to tear Chris down a little bit and put on the record that he has come out in support of CGI Tarkin?

What do you think? Oh, I don't mind that. Yeah. Of all the great crimes committed against humanity in the last 15 years, either CGI-I Target? You think Peter Cushing would have been into it? No. If they had to cut the check Yeah, did the Cushing

fam did the estate get paid for that? British people in general. Who is Grand Moth Tarkin? That is so fucking, she's killing me over here. No, I just go on CGI Target. So she just goes to CGI-I Tarkin. Every time we say something, I look over here.

Maybe I need a visual. But at the end of the day, she has on solo so she could win the black in. Do whatever. Click them. You could try this, but I just think English actors, if you're like, here's the direct deposit.

Like, Michael came is me. I love for one. I feel like they did get the estate's approval. Did they? I don't remember what that worked. Would you give approval for CGI Sean? Who am I giving it to? Me.

Well, I would never get that. You're giving it to William Simmons. No. Yeah. Okay. Now Amanda has her second pick. In movie, I'm taking the last Jedi. Okay.

Which I know you would use as a curse, but I, uh, was very moved by it when I saw it in theaters. I rewatched it this morning was equally moved by it. I guess I sort of understand. I do understand the reading of it as, if not like a betrayal of fans, but that movie connects with me

because I do not identify as like a Star Wars capital F fan. And it is a real opening of the world and not just who can be a Jedi, but who can watch these movies and connect to them in any sort of way. And so, I find part of that, and I really, I find the Ray stuff until Rise of the Skywalker, very moving. If I didn't get Last Jedi, I was going to take Force Awakens just because of the scene.

Also a good movie. Once she gets the lightsaber, like at the end, I will never forget that. And I'm not like a far stole in Force Awakens is awesome. You know, I'm not. It's a great moment in Star Wars. In that kind of way. In addition to that, LastJat is like funny with great performances and looks really good. I mean, the final showdown, the showdown in the red throne room,

obviously. But then also when you have Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker dueling it out. Yeah, I mean, it's just... Hold on maneuver. It looks amazing. It's made, like, incredible. That's Laura Dern, you know? Like, it's made so well.

And with such a love of the franchise, I think, but then the willingness to turn it over, which I understand... Van's been nice to me, and I'm sitting next to him, so, like, I'll be nice about it, even though I do kind of, I think you're wrong, but that's okay. I was very moved by The Last Jedi, and that's my pick. It's a great movie.

It's a great movie. It is. It just pokes all. I think some of your Reddit posts from that area I don't know. I think there's a question of whether it's a savvy pick and a draft that people will be voting on given how it is given.

What have I given a fuck? Yeah, I love The Last Jedi. It's a perfect pick for you. Yes, I think it's a great movie. I'm really happy that you picked it. this movie. I've always in a good movie. I think it's fantastic and like I wish Ryan Johnson had gotten to make more Star Wars movies. And I think to me, like the Luke stuff in that movie is really bold and brave and interesting. And it's like what you said earlier about religion, like thinking of Star Wars as a religion,

like who doesn't question their faith at some point? You know, to confront our sacred ideal of the chosen one in a moment of feeling really lost and confused about the thing he has put his entire sense of self and life and the world into because of choices that he made and mistakes he made and also choices other people made. I just thought it was such an interesting decision to explore that. And, you know, it's funny because like watching your face when Holdo was invoked, there are so many different things you can point to in that movie that like it's a litmus test for how you feel about the movie, but maybe more broadly like playing with these things. Like obviously there was a lot of like did Holdo maneuver break canon and then a lot of rebukes to that, but I will never forget.

freaking can. In terms of do hyperspace lanes work that way. But I will literally never forget watching Last Jedi in the theater for the first time and the sound being sucked out of the theater

when that happened. Like, do you remember what that felt like? That's like a great movie theater. Did you see that at Disney? I saw it at Arklight. Oh. I remember walking over from the office

and seen it around. You and I saw it at Disney together. One sentence. Not fucking invited. Making Luke Skywalker hold a lightsaber and decide on whether or not

he's going to murder his nephew in cold blood. is akin to me to making Seth Rogen James Bond. That right there, I understand characters and all of that stuff. I think there are three people at this table who just don't care about those rules. I understand that. I can't do this with you, but I will just say it's an amazing echo

of the crisis in the prequels. It's just a fascinating future exploration of the problem of Anakin. Like, it's all connected in my mind that what they did not learn through Anakin, he had to seriously consider through Ben. That to me is really strong thematic storytelling. I really love that choice. I understand why it upsets people. I understand why we have this kind of Jesus Christ-like idea of Luke Skywalker.

Oh, it's like, oh, so your problem is like a Superman like Luke Skywalker can't even think about killing people type thing? No, my problem is that. My problem is the entire galaxy. See, Luke has legitimately devoted his life to building his power where he could rebut the empire. All of what he did has been undone. Han is in the wind. His sister is in trouble.

He's pouting on a planet. It just doesn't make any sense. And to me... Middle age is tough, though. I'm figuring it out. It feels more real now, even than it did five years ago. Sometimes you're like, I just want to take my ball and go home. It's a very beautiful planet.

It's a gorgeous planet. He got that green milk straight from the teat, man. And I do all like those. I like those. I think it's a great pick, too. To be clear, it didn't even occur to me that it would be controversial in a voting. I mean, I know that it will, but like, I don't acknowledge those people. Like, please don't vote for me.

And then go find another free podcast. I would have, if I was taking the movie, I would have taken Jedi. If I, if I was going to take a movie, I would have taken Jedi. Yeah. Well, you'll have your chance right now. Yeah. I'm not going to take Jedi. I'm going to take.

A vehicle. Oh, nice. I'm going to take the most iconic thing to me in Star Wars that is still left on the board. Okay. And I'm going to take the Millennium Falk. That's a great pick. Yeah. When I look up and down the board.

Delighting that. When I look up and down the board. You now have the Millennium Falcon and Darth Vader. That's pretty good. Yeah. So like to me, when you think of Star Wars, you think of all of these characters. But the one thing where all of this shit was going down and really encapsulates what the Rebels we're trying to do in the original trilogy

is that broken down rust bucket of a ship that somehow was still the fucking fastest thing in the guy. I was thinking about this. I'm really glad you picked it because I also think as representative of you. Millennium Falcon is for the homies. It's for everybody. We're all going to, you have to go down

here and shoot. You have to target like tie fighters. I'm going to go plot the course. You know, you do this. X-wing fighter, it's you and a droid. You know what I mean? Like X-wing fighter is more of like a solo thing. It's more of Blast shield down. I'm just going to fucking feel the trench run. Some of us like to be alone, you know? Well, I mean,

I think it's an interesting witness test if you prefer the vehicle of a solo artist or one that's like me and everybody are going to gamble a little bit here. We're going to play some cards and then we're going to go fight some shit. You're a collaborator. Yeah. You're a collaborator as my thing. As well, yeah. Love it.

Falcon also just one of the true genuine through lines of the entire franchise. It is. So, valuable. Dubious ownership history. The Carfax on that is kind of Yeah. Tough to get that vehicle. Colum shirt at this point. Okay, Mallory. Easy. I'm taking Obi-1

as hero. I honestly can't believe he fell this far. I'm really surprised. When you close your eyes when you think of OB-1, do you think of you I see you in McGregor. Of course. When I close my eyes in general, I see you in McGregor. Mallory. No question. And actually I see the animated Obi-1,

frankly, with that square jawline. Is that the only time that that's ever happened? Like, think about it. Has it happened? I don't think it happens. Yeah, it depends on what you're talking to. You don't think that. You don't think that. You were the chosen one.

I do not. I have the high friends. I'm sorry. Don't try it. Guys. My nigger tried to flip anyway. He got his shit fucked up. Mustafa is iconic.

Come on. I like it. It's not. He's not replaced that. I actually do think that you and McGregor is Obi-Wan Kenow. Yeah. I think at this point, I think that is like the dividing line. Like that's absolutely insane, but I know you guys are living a different life.

There's the end of the end. Yes. But at the end of the end, again, genuinely with all of the animated installments and all of. Is he voicing? No, he's not. The fact that you could have such a passionate debate is Ewan McGregor, your Obi-Wan is Alec, your Obi-Wan, it's just more fodder for why it's a great pick. Like, he's one of the most iconic and essential characters in Star Wars,

certainly undeniably one of the most important Jedi. Did the abomination of the television show affect your appreciation for Ewan's performance? I thought that was the hottest seat ever looked. Slicing space sushi in the sun, you know? bearded, filthy. Wonderful stuff. Yeah, Obi-1 is one of the most important characters in Star Wars. One of my personal favorites.

I have Obi-1's lightsaber. I like to think about Obi-Wan's lightsaber in some other ways. Obie one of the Duchess Sateen, one of the great Star Wars tragic romances in the wider canon, you know? I mean, at some point, Mallory, that's just not functional. That seems kind of violent. It depends on what you can take. Yeah, that's a good point. I have to tell you.

I'll spice it up. At some point, you can. anymore, but that's fine. Do you know who the Duchess Seteen? Yeah. You know who the Duchess Sateen is? More elegant than a blaster. That's what they say.

Indeed. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Obi-1 versus Grievous. Will someone take grievous? Maybe. Obi-1 is hero. Did you miss it?

I would like to request that the picture is... You and McGregor. Why do you guys always get... Because remember when Mal dropped the blowjob situation years ago? Yeah. Last summer. Last summer. Last summer.

Watch that clip all the time. Like if I'm like all the time. Maybe not all the time. I remember Amanda's reaction pretty vividly. A lot. And I look at both of you. Amanda's reaction was amazing. I think you guys were supposed to be like both like this is Mal and Amanda was like,

I don't even remember. This is really a bummer. When I picked snatch. The whole thing. I picked snatch and was talking about basement blow jobs. Oh, right. Back in Reisterstown, Maryland. Some fun form of memories.

I'm saying. So we're able to relive it again. It was just like... The first reason you say it again this time, you just take it. It was a recognizable sense memory thing. Like, I wasn't in that basement, but I was like, sure. Everybody that's watching right now. Pause it.

Go back and listen to it. Freeze on a man's face. It's just basements I have seen, you know? Oh, shit. Oh, my God. I have a new hope and Obi-Wan. I feel pretty good. Okay.

Canobi, the Great Jedi have all time to me, by the way. Glad we were able to circle. back to being pleasureed by a lightsaber. I have two picks. You do. And I'm tremendous. Mallory's basement. They should have the next film there.

Will Mando be visiting your basement? That's where the hunt for Ben Solo ended. I was a reload shipper. That's elegant timing. Yeah. Unsurprising. Oh. Good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I have two picks. And I'm going to tell you both of the people that I'm going to take. Oh, I know what you're doing. I'll be taking Leia Organa. And I'll also be taking Kylo Ren, aka A.K. Nice.

Good. Gamesmanship. Now, Leia, I obviously have had an amazing experience with Star Wars. Because if there is no Leia, my daughter's not getting into Star Wars. She's not connecting with these movies. She's an incredibly strong entry point for them, for a lot of people, but especially for young women who are getting into the stories. Because she's one of the very few women with any agency in the movie. Wait until she meets Asoka.

And I'm trying to figure out what's the right place to. to put her versus put Ben Solo because their mother and son. They're both heroes. One of them is also a villain. And they're both Skywalker's. So I'm not sure if like just visually speaking, looking at the board one makes more sense. I think Leah as my Skywalker makes the most sense. I think that's correct.

And Ben Solo as the hero or villain since he's both. I might argue one of the most interesting choices you could make in that category. You can pick the other one in Darth Vader. about Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is one of my favorite characters in movies in the last 20 years. I love him. I think he is an amazing creation and such a perfect evocation of a certain kind of male psyche that was just very prevalent in the time when he was created.

And it's really interesting to me when you can take like contemporaneous psychological profiles of men or women and put them into these crazy worlds. Sure. Like genre storytelling. And that like frustrated emo sad boy, why can't I be a little? Like, why can't I, why are my parents making me be this way? Why can't I get back to the time, like, my grandfather who was so cool? My parents don't want me to, you know, be successful.

They won't let me have my own independence. Like, all of those very common, touchable ideas, putting them inside of a Star Wars villain and making him this kind of, like, snively person who also has amazing power and, like, looks cool. Yeah. But doesn't know how to hold the confidence was just, like, an amazing choice. I've always loved Driver. I think he's a great character, so he'll be hero. skipping through Last Jedi

last night and the scene where Snoke is like take that ridiculous mask off is so devastating because it's just like oh you don't need this to breathe you're just being like this is just hot topic Darth Vader and it's such a great insult to him and then he fucking cuts him in half because of it he's still really powerful

like he's still a very cool Star Wars character but with all of that frailty like right on the surface I had completely forgotten the dyad thing oh diet and a force They're tied together. Oh, yeah. And he's shirtless for all of it with that like just very square torso.

That's a great moment when she's like, can you, do you have like anything you can put on? Yeah, cowl or anything. In The Last Jedi? What? That idea of them being able to see each other across Time and Space. Force timing, yeah.

For people who are just listening, it should be noted that you just shrugged. I mean, I like the connection that they had. I think that that character of Ben Solo is kind of in ways indicative of the family. of the sequel trilogy. Wow. Yeah.

Why? Because they didn't know what to do with them. Well, the ending is unforgivable for both of them. I think that's a rise of Skywalker problem. That's a whole rise of Skywalker problem. It is, but at the same time. His Arc and Last Jedi is so great to me. I agree.

To me, they, like, there's even in, there's inconsistencies with the power of the character. The movie starts with that character freezing a blaster bolt in midair. Yeah. So you're thinking, oh my God, this is a nuke level Skywalker-blooded, fuck And menace. One of the strongest we've ever seen. Then at the end of the movie, he gets fucked by like, he's like,

Finn is in a lightsaber battle with them. Like, they never quite clearly tell you. Well, he's been shot. He's bleeding out, but he's also emotionally devastated by his choice to kill his own father. I get it, but like a lot of times when I, when I look at the murkiness of those films,

to me, the murkiness of those films can be laid at the feet of the murkiness of the villain that is right there in the films. So look, there is a rise of Skywalker problem, but the rise of Skywalker is one of the movies that Kylo Ren is in. I think it's fair to say there's some kind of inconsistencies about how powerful or not powerful certain characters are across all the movies. I just think that's the boldest choice to me,

that character across that sequel trilogy. It's like the power and the way that he's positioned. And having him be like, let's get like a Marlon Brando James Dean style, like agitated methody person to do this. That's exactly what I was thinking. The performance style of the actor, which is very different from the kind of like elevated pop fantasy that came in all the other movies.

Okay. Those are my three picks. Back to Mallory. Okay. Geez. There are so many things I want to do here. This is really... I think Skywalker has gotten so thin that I'll wait.

Which I'm okay with. I usually in a draft wild card is like I think almost synonymous with save it till the end but I think that there are to me two potential picks inside of wild card that are could have been in the first round of this draft I'm torn which I want to do but I will be going with my wild card here I'm going to go with my heart I'm a little hardhead on this I'm taking lightsaber's yeah I think in a Star Wars draft it's pretty important that lightsabers be selected I obviously have a personal attachment to the concept so You know how many lightsabers I own?

A lot. Yeah, well, now we have a completely different. What do I use them for? Okay. Get out of here. Ask my husband. Tough stuff. I just looked right at me when you said that.

Because I know that he doesn't appreciate you when I stare into his eyes. Now, if he's moved around at all, I have rejected a while. I will be jealous of the person who gets the other thing I consider taking in wildcard, but I'm so thrilled to have lightsabers that I think this is the right thing for me to do here. Lightsabers, genuinely one of the most iconic things in all of pop culture. of the world. Good pick and a rare moment when an early wild card pick, I think is very justified. Yes. I thought about weapons.

I just didn't think there were enough weapons. That's part of why I really wanted to have lightsabers because Star Wars is very much about duels and battles. And I don't think, frankly, like, blasters are going to be selected or should be. Now you could have been more specific. You could have said Lopes, lightsaber. Yeah, but why? Now I get them all. I'm just saying.

Now I get all of them. All of them. You could have said Mace Windus lightsaber. That is one of the ones I own. You know, as a Ravens fan. Purple Sabre, pretty cool. But no, I'm just getting every single one, so I don't need to make the choice,

which is pretty wonderful and powerful. Okay, Van Leithen. I am going Wild Card 2. I'm taking the most iconic stuff that's still available to me. And I'm taking the force. Oh. Incredible pick.

I have that in my top three in Wild Card. Yeah, I'm taking... I thought you were going to do something else. I think Van is dominating. Like, I'm taking the force. Okay. Like, when I was a lad, the thing that more intrigued me

me about Star Wars and anything else was this idea that there was this thing that binded the universe together and that accessing it would let you overcome any sort of evil that you were up against. And if Luke could do that, if he can get in tune with the force, if he could listen to the force, if he could operate by the will of the force, he could turn his guidance system off. Exactly. And just shoot into and destroy the biggest, baddest thing that's ever existed. So the force. And then, that more than anything has been the thing that as we move forward, we struggle with the most,

which is how to deal with it and talk about it and make it make sense in a very cynical world. I think that's, frankly, the only reason that this, that's the only knock on the pick is that I think the force has become a little bit of like a lightning rod inside of how fans talk about Star Wars and how Star Wars is made and does everything need to be about the, a lot of this about the TV shows to be fair, but like, does everything need to be about the Force?

Should these characters be able to use the Force? Obviously, one of the big debates about, sorry to bring up Last Jedi again, was like broomboy, which I loved and thought was awesome and a great reminder of how big the galaxy is. But that's not how everybody feels about it. I was going to ask what the debate was. So you don't want enough. When we did the Star Wars Rewatchables episode, I proffered a theory that the decline of organized religion, interest in organized religion in America dovetails neatly with the rise of Star Wars and Star Wars fandom. evenly that it doesn't register how insane that moment was when you said that. I feel very confident in being at least an interesting theory.

But I honestly agree with more, like we could extrapolate. I think belief in Superman, like all of these things that are based in this sort of cultural purity, they go right along with the fact that we just don't believe in this version of mystical and mythical goodness anymore. So that was what I was going to ask you is, do you consider yourself a person who fears God? Yes. Okay. and you can hold that with the force.

I can. And it was so funny back in the day when my grandmother, she tried to get me off the force. She joined a very popular type of Christianity. And she played this video where it was like, George Lucas actually believes in the force.

And they think that the force is real. And she goes, so if you believe in the force and you watch Star Wars, you might go to hell. I was like, okay. Yeah. It's a teen mentality.

It's very relatable. I'll see you in hell. Okay. My turn. You're up, Dobbins. So there are a few things I could do here. And I'm not going big and grand and lightsaber and the force. I'm not doing my wild card.

I think I'm going to have to play strategic. What happens if I break the draft? Oh, my God. You can break the draft? I might be breaking the draft. So we'll see how you guys are feeling. But problematic character. Sean explained to me yesterday,

and he was like, just Google it. And it turns out when you Google it, you get a lot of men who are mad about The Last Jedi writing about the Star Wars characters that they hate the most. And so aside from Jar Jar Jar, obviously there are many cultural stereotypes embodied across the 11 films that people would have different issues with. But I don't have like a specific recall of all of those sites.

So I'm doing a problematic character that jumped out to me yesterday while watching the Phantom Menace for the first time, which is Padmei, because that is an age gap romance. And I have some real issues with that. In addition, she is endangering her handmaidens with the swisher room, including Sophia Coppola. So because of Padmae, we might not get lost in translation. So get out of here, Padmay. Why are you looking at me when you're young? I don't know.

This is a great thing. You haven't broken the game technically. Okay, but... Why would I have broken the game? Because she's going... The number of Skywalkers left. Jesus Christ. Yeah, right.

I got some things I can do when I... Yeah. But, I mean, it's not... It doesn't help you. It's a interesting pick, though. Well, I had some questions, and they weren't answered. I think that's a flawed character, Padmay. Also a flawed performance, but whatever.

Yes. I'm not her fault. They're not giving anyone in that movie a lot to work with. I think that's a George Lucas issue. Yes. I think the performance in Attack of the Clones is even worse, but yeah. Yeah. So they're five years apart.

Yeah. She is a kid. She's 14. She's nine. So when they come back to the next movie, he's 17. She's 22. Listen, you know that right now in 2026, people on the internet. On Nabu.

Yeah. What is the age of consent? I think he's older than 17. He's older than 17. He's like 18 or 19. So he's 18 or 19. There's power and balance. There's power and balance.

Although he is the most powerful being in the universe. Well, sure. but institutionally speaking. Mitychlorian Jesus. Yeah. I'll allow it. You shocked me with that one. Thank you.

Thanks so much. It's a hell of a take. Wow. Well, that leads us to CR, right? CR on the turn. Two picks for you. C.R. Do you have a Skywalker? Yeah, I got Luke.

You got Luke. The Skywalker in some ways. Jack, can I request that you add an S to lightsaber to make a plural to really just reinforce that I have every lightsaber? Yeah, because somebody's going to be like, ah. Yeah. Paper copies over here. I'm going to go, okay, so first of all, just inspired by you guys,

I'm going to go wildcard death star. Okay. Okay. Fantastic. That's a good one. It's a good one. Something that I think is now, like, obviously is crossed over into like, why? Why didn't you take in a vehicle?

I mean, I guess. I don't really think of it as a vehicle. It's more of a weapon. It's a battle station. It's a concept. Sure. It's a useful reference. Have you guys ever noticed Mallory's draft?

I'm just curious. Her draft tactics. She shits on your draft. She tries to glamour to arms. Not ever noticed. We've been living like this for 10 years. I think everyone's doing great. I just was interested in the strategy.

I think of it more as a weapon than a vehicle. And also often, you know, it's quite stationary. I know it orbits. True. Sure. You know, like, in any case. Okay. It has sort of provided a lot of my favorite moments throughout

Star Wars both in New Hope and Return of the Jedi and in Andor in some ways. I was just watching the chronic interrogation scene of Deirdre. And I think it's one of the great inventions of this universe is this idea of especially pre-saging

some of the Cold War stuff that was really about to hit off. But this idea of a super weapon, this idea of a doomsday, this idea of like everything lights out. I think they may have gotten a little flippant with its use in the sequels or with the idea of the star killer base and what it does, but, uh, yeah, you know, I, I'm, I'm happy about that. And now is that, is that the biggest flaw of the Force Awakens?

That it's just, note for note, the same is, like, we're just going to do this again. Yes. Not that, not that the movie is the same as the first film, but the idea of the empire just trying to build another thing. Planet Killer. The third time they win with the, yeah. Like, why do they think this is the only way to dominate? I mean, that's the weird thing is that they have the two of the most powerful beings.

in the galaxy, and they're like, but we've got to build a space station. Well, the empire, the emperor is also obsessed with it. If he would have listened to Thron and invested into the tie program. The Thai program probably would have been better, more personal.

It would have been if they Oppenheimered it and the Republic was like, we have to build a space station so that this can never happen again. And then it just becomes nuclear, you know. But it's the fallacy of the empire. That would be upenheimering it. Well, if you were like, we have to show them,

you know, like, we have to beat the Sherman. She's just Google Grand Admiral, Thron is the best. Which movie is he in? No movies. Books and TV shows are doing it. Well, I can't be responsible for that.

He's an awesome villain. He's great. Good pick, Chris. You have another pick. For movie you're cursed with I'm giving Amanda, I'm giving her Phantom Menace. That is absolutely the right move. So how do we mark?

Showed your hand there. Yeah. I was fine. I mean, honestly, it's quite poor. Clones might be worse. I think. I think I like clones. And that's the one I haven't seen.

And then I think philosophically and creatively, Rise of Skywalker is more bankrupt. Yes. I do. Rise of Skywalker is the evil movie and Phantom Menace is the bad movie. Yes. And this is just kind of boring at times. Attack of the Clones I will cape forward just because it just has some fun action.

I think Attack of the Clones is a better story than Phantom Menace with easily the worst dialogue and performances in the entire franchise. I agree. Yeah, it's hard because like I know pod racing and and dual the fates or people will be like, but you have that. I don't. Is Mason attack of the clones? Is that? But he gets killed in attack of the clones, right? No, that's it. Revenge of the Sun. Unlimited power! That's when Alice says do the emperor That's of course what I said Okay So those are my time Okay, thank you so much for that

What a gift Where did you think someone would first choose to curse someone? Was this about the spot? Midway? When it got to Chris, I started thinking about who I would curse with what So it seems like about that time, right? Because you don't want it to be nasty up front

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Did you have a long list of wildcard potentials? I had more than one, but I'm going to take John Williams. There we go. That's what I thought we said. Love it. Which is just like an absolute no-brainer. Love it. I mean, these movies don't exist without lightsaberers of the first, but they also do not

exist without that score, which is like, honestly, probably the greatest, certainly classical music of our lifetime. But he's one of one. It will live on. If you have not seen John Williams performing or like conducting symphony orchestras performing his work, there's a whole series that he did in Vienna, which we just like watch in my house and my children love it. And then like I, you know, the music itself can bring me to tears, honestly more than the

movies can. He's good. That's why I started crying talking about binary sunset. It's just an insane accomplishment that totally changes the way that we understand popular music from the last 50 years. You really wonder what would happen if it was another school. If it was. Yeah. Or if somebody else was doing it, yeah, if he wasn't just the fucking man of our lives.

I think it's the single. This one of my favorite podcasts that I've ever done and been a part of was the sounds of Star Wars binge mode episode during the Star Wars. We talked about the score, but also just in general the soundscape of Star Wars. And I think there's no greater shorthand to that emotional connection than like when you hear the Force theme kick in or you hear a lightsaber fire up. It's just the sounds of Star Wars take you to that place right away. Just hearing RATU sounds. Yeah, the beeps and boobs. No droid category I think is very devastating here, by the way.

But of course, they could be selected in certain categories. John Williams' score was what I was alluding to earlier when I said I was really torn between two things in a top wild card. The Force was up there as well. But yeah, I think this is a great pick. What an absolute legend. Okay. I have to take a Skywalker now. I've waited long enough.

Why? Why at this point? The category is so thin. Well, I mean, if the category is thin now, if I fucking wait, that I'm going to get left with fucking Shimi Skywalker. Because you're left without a skywalk or something. No, I've got some things I can do.

I feel fun. I'm going to take Ray. Mm-hmm. Eligible. A character you don't like. A character you don't like. You sat there. a fucking coliseum

in Caesar's Palace and you're like Ray is not a skywaker You said it over and over again and that's a debate She's a skywalker She's one Wait so you're saying not eligible

And I'm saying she is eligible That I was wrong when I said that to Amanda So I'll apologize to Amanda For not correcting that She's fucking late You already through a tantrum about me recalling the conversation There's only one person throwing tantrums

on this podcast And we all know who it is Amanda Yeah it's a very thin category but like if this is the last mid-rounder that you can get. Yeah. This is the, I mean, you're, you know, after this, it's like there's none left. Like, I mean, I don't know what you guys are.

So I'm going to take Ray. Interesting, I like her. We're going to see. This is shameful what you're doing right now. Many people are saying. Because it's not credible. You don't like her. And you don't like the movie she's in.

We're going to see more of her. Okay. I like her. I think she means a lot. By the way, can I say something? Can I say something? A lot of young lady. You are talking about her the way Trump talked about Tim Cook yesterday. He never bothered me.

And I will say that. I think for a lot of young lady Skywalker or Star Wars fans that she represents a lot to them. She's cool. I like Ray. I like Ray. I'm taking Ray. That's my Skywalker right there. She don't know who else is on the board that could even be like.

I thought you were going to say Ray was your problematic character. That's where I thought you were going. Why? Because she's not really fleshed out. And what they do, I mean, what they do with her in Rise of Skywalker is unforgivable, but I don't think it's Ray's fault. I think just even the explanation of her lineage is so janky. I mean, I agree. You know, and it's like she's the daughter of a failed Palpatine clone.

A strand cast, yeah. It's just a very odd retcon. Like, such a, that's the best they could do with that idea. In the same way that you're putting like all. the failures of, you're separating the failures of Rise of Skywalker from Ben Solo from Kylo, from Ray. I'm separating it from Ray. Right. The moment when she gets the lightsaber in Force of Rakeans, I already said. I lost the television. It's back. Um, pure it up. I, I, I, good, good pick, I think. Yeah. I'll apologize to you again. Thank you.

For not letting you know that I had changed my mind about that. Um, only because I didn't think there were enough Skywalker characters that would be eligible to make the game continue. Fortunately for Mallory. I do still have to select a Skywalker. You do. I will not be doing it now. Now that arrays off the board, I'll be waiting probably until the last round. Seems wise. There are some things I can do there. Let's see.

Some exciting possibilities here. I will take, I think, the clear number one draft pick and problematic character. I'll take Jar Jar Jar. Wise. Because you think he's the most problematic or you just love him so much? All of the. No, no, no, sorry. God, I think problematic, but also I think clearly the poster character for that idea.

inside of the franchise. And, you know, are there some fun little Jar Jar moments in the animated canon that have warmed me to him over time? You know, are there a lot of fun Jar Jar theories? Love what they've done with Jar Jar in the little Lego shorts. I mean, Jar Jar is, too, not only does he go in the Senate, let's be clear.

Jarger's responsible for the emperor. Remember? He's like gaslit and manipulated into presenting the motion that allows Darth Sidious to become the emperor. So in addition to all of the other the tropes and the racist caricatures and just the really bad dialogue

and storytelling and Phantom Menace, Jar Jar is also responsible for fascism and tyranny reigning across the galactic empire for decades on end. And so I don't see how Jarjar couldn't be the top pick in this category. Happy to have him on the squad.

I will not. be doing an impression. Definitely number one. There's also like three or four other super kind of racist characters in those prequels. You could certainly select them. But thank you for saying clearly

the number one, I appreciate it. There's six categories or five? Seven. Seven. What the fuck am I doing? I'm trying to see what else is on the movie. Okay, I have two picks. You need both movies.

Van Sills was picking a movie. Yes. Which is challenging because you're about to receive a movie in another category. Go for it. Because of the strength of Van Slate, I am cursing him with the rise of Skywalker Which to me is just desserts for the Last Jedi Haters

That movie exists because of the Last Jedi Haders It exists because Disney forced J.J. Abrams to make that movie too fast With a script that was not ready And that they forced all these ideas into the frame And then they fucked up Star Wars movies for seven years That is a fact The movie I think we can all agree is ultimately a failure Of course

and was Trevor Rose supposed to direct that? He was. He was going to do a whole, what, duel of the face type of deal. But then they were like, Ryan's going to direct it. And then they were like, actually, they just, they just, they just, they lost their nerves. They botched it. I'm only giving it to you because your board is really good. Yeah.

And I'm, I'm kind of annoyed with how good you've been doing. I was thinking about giving it to you also because you, you, you don't like Last Jedi. You're not. Can I ask that? And Rise of Skywalker happened because of the, so I'm not blaming you personally. Yeah, because I didn't do it. Yeah, you didn't do it. But it's not good.

Can I ask, like, a process question in terms of how this will be presented? Because you're like, I did this here because I want to hurt Van because his squad is so good. But it's listed on your team. So when people very quickly are looking at this at like on Instagram. It will be correct. It will be corrected. So whatever movie you're cursed with. Exactly.

I'm just leaving this up for order purposes right now. That was going to be my recommendation. I can make a true argument that if you're cursed with that movie, you've lost. Bet your entire board. I think it's a great... I mean, Rise of Skywalker is a scandal. Genuinely a scandal. It is a scandal.

I think actually when we came out of the movie, we were like a little gobsmacked. We were like, what just happened? We stood still on the sidewalk for 45 minutes, unable to move. Yeah, that was tough. Yeah. That was tough.

It's too bad. Anyway, I got to pick something else. Yeah. So I've got... You've done your movies. So I need a vehicle, a problematic character, and a wild card, huh? Yeah.

Hmm. Hmm. I think... I'll tell you what I think is the coolest vehicle after the Millennium Falcon. I'm going to take it right now. It's called the Thai Advanced X-1. It's Darth Vader's Thai fighter. It is good.

You're going very specific. Which I think is super fucking cool. And you know what? He does get blown out of the frame by Han Solo and a new hope. And he goes, what? I can't deny it. Yeah. But even still, it's just something I enjoy.

I enjoy him, like, getting behind the wheel there. Just real Top Gun Maverg. vibes where it's like fine I'll do it myself you know and uh I just think that's a really cool vehicle so that that's my bit you could have gone any number of directions you could have gone broad with a certain style of vehicle but if I had to choose one to jump into if I wasn't piloting the Millennium Falkin it would be this one okay that's good okay now are you're up okay I didn't necessarily think I was going to do this here but I'm mostly I'm gonna curse someone with Attack of the Clones

because I don't want to be cursed with Attack of the Clones. And I actually would be like genuinely fine with any of the other movies that someone sent my way. Because this will take, I think, clearly the bottom three, Phantom Menace, Rises Skywalker, and Attack of the Clones off the board. It means I can't receive one of the worst three movies. So I think strategically it's sound for me

to just avoid being able to receive this. Who do I want to give it to? So Amanda has been cursed with a movie. Yeah. And so Sean and Chris are your options. I got her. Oh, geez. Sheesh.

Okay. This is like an anxiety dream. Life comes at you fast. Yeah. Okay. So let's see. Chris has Luke Rogue won the death star and has given phantom menace. Sean has Empire Leia Ben.

I do think the Thai fighter. I do think I have to curse Sean with this. You got to counterbalance having Empire clearly the best movie, I think. So Sean will be receiving attack of the clones, which I think is those. As I said, I just thought. What happens in that? Nothing. Okay.

Anakin slices up a pair and sends it to Padme in midair. Remember that? There's an inappropriate. There's like an espionage chase through Cloud City. Is that where Duku comes in? Yeah, Dukes who enters the frame. General Greaves enters the frame. Camino, Detective Obi-1.

But in the movie theater, when Obi-O-B-W-Wan, when Yoda was getting busy with his lightsaber, people were going crazy. Yeah, that was sick. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's not, by no means great. The performances and dialogue in that movie are appalling. Every scene between Anakin and Padman in that movie is appalling. Could have been worse.

How many times have you said to someone in your life. me like you did by the lake and Nabu. Is that something you guys say to people? Yeah, all the time. No. That's what you say to your lightsaber? Quite right. Quite right. Okay.

Is it? It's a man. So I got to take a movie now. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to. Now, this is tough for me. Because in my heart, there's a movie

that I want to take, but I can't justify taking it above the other two films that are still there. So I'm going to take, which I think is now become an underrated movie, Return of the Jedi. I believe so. I believe you're right.

Yeah. I think it's now become an underrated movie. I think Return of the Jedi coming after Empire Strikes Back was a movie that it was easy to criticize because the Empire is so brilliant. Jedi is a fantastic film. It completes the flawless arc of, Luke Skywalker.

You have Sarlake Pit. You have all kinds of different things in that movie that are super duper iconic. You know, people who are hit or miss on the Ewarks, I love them. I like watching the Ewelks. I liked indoor. I liked the forest race.

I liked a lot of the stuff. All of the stuff. Admiral Akbar. All of that stuff in Jedi to me works. And if I got a draft here, I'm going to get one of the original trilogy. I think this is kind of a no-brainer, right? Yeah.

I don't agree. Oh, interesting. Well, you're a Sith girl. I'm shocked and I feel personally betrayed that you didn't take Sith here. I was astonished and really sad. Can I be real with you? What happened? If it was about my heart, that's the movie that I'm taking.

Follow your heart at Star Wars. What is literally what is more about following your heart? You can't compare it to Return of the Jedi. Return of the Jedi is 40 minutes of Jabba the Hut and like Boba Fett going down sad into the Sarlack pit like a fucking cup. All of that stuff is awesome. And then 90 minutes of the e-box. You're glamour in the audience. It's Jedi.

This is, I honestly would have, not only would I have taken SIF before that easily. I would have taken Force Awakens. I'm just like, you didn't. You took a new hope in the second pick and the dress. I don't get it. I can't believe you didn't take Seth. I just can't believe it. All right. Jedi. I think that was the correct pick. And actually your

your strategy is waiting on movie paid off. Yeah. You got one of the OG trilogy still all the I don't know. I mean, I think he did good. Amanda. Yes, okay. So going along with, no, I looked at the exact name.

But in Return of the Jedi, yes. Okay, so it's a speeder bike, and I believe the correct model is the 74 Z speeder bike. This is my son's favorite part, Return of the Jedi. This is so excited. It's just a fucking dangerous vehicle, though. And it looks very cool. Although I guess you don't always have to ride it in such a heavily wooded. I don't have to be specific.

Okay, I pick speeder bikes. You know what? The speeder bike, the fact that Leia was on that bitch going crazy is the first time I was like, it's probably force sensitive. Because like it just is. I thought you were going to say women should be allowed to drive for me. Okay, so that's my vehicle. Speeder bikes.

Nice. Speeders are fun. What is the vehicle called that Anakin and Obi-1 race in at the beginning of clones? that like the car, the hover car. Oh, I don't know. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. I'm not sure.

You guys don't know. Neither of you know. Well, then it must be really obscure. I mean, there's an iconic Star Wars vehicle that's still on the board. A couple, I would say. I agree. Yeah. Amazon presents Jeff versus Taco Truck Salsa.

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uh what are you what are you missing now hero hero vehicle and problematic I'm going to go God, I don't want to be redundant I'm going to go Cassie and or for hero even though I already have Rogue 1

but you mean Cassie and Rogue 1 because Andor's not I know that he sort of plays the wall a little bit the Jin is the hero of Rogue 1 but you know I know that too Gin's dad I was thinking that is the architect of our demise so you know I think that also the architect of us

being able to defeat the Death Star It's true. It's true. It's the plans that he leaves behind. But, uh... Star D'S. Gailen or so. Yeah. Project Stardust. Yeah. Cassian for Hero. He's like, I don't have a deep attachment to Jen and I don't have it a deep attachment to any of the remaining people really. Like Po or whatever. Um, what do you think of that?

A couple more interesting heroes out there. I'm surprised by some of the characters who have not been selected in Hero. I will, I will say that. Has everybody taken their hero and villain? No, I haven't. So I won't, I'll refrain from speaking further. and of course I can name all of them this has been nicely distributed amongst the three trilogies also yeah yeah yeah I mean I'm kind of avoiding the prequels to some extent but so you're a little worried you're too Rogue One heavy and not spread out across the board

I mean I don't really care but yeah I just really like Cassian and even like his introduction is so dope in that movie um for vehicle sorry my scrolls are not stapled oh you know what I'll do problematic character Java Good one Human trafficker Yeah Yeah

Yeah What do you think about the idea That he's also an Italian stereotype I hadn't thought about that That never occurred to me His last name ends in a vowel Ah That's tough

He's supposed to be a big fat Mops He's a gangster He's supposed to be a big fat monster Yeah it's tough Okay That is the idea of the character

That represents a whole Secret Society But I think Java is like When it's just like He's like a, you know, he's a bookie. You're like, all right, Java. But then when he's got slave Leah by the chain, like, that's like a little problem. That's tough.

Yeah. But how often did you jerk off to that when you were younger? Be honest. What was it that he was getting out of that? Out of what? Leia chained up. He was licking her. Remember he licked her with the tongue?

Was that the primary objective? It was all about the titulation. I think the implication. His lightsaber, if you know what I mean? The implication is that she is his concubine. Yeah. Right, but how would that have played out? Ask her.

Do you mean how does a hut have sexual intercourse? I'm not going to use those words. Where it's pleasure centers? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there like a... I don't know.

Is he even attracted to someone? You know? Where's the hut fallas? You know? Like, that's what I'm saying. Right. Because they're baby huts. That's right.

Something happens. Procreation going down. Maybe for him it's more about like, it's like romanticcy. It's like he's like a human being is like winged fairy to him. That's right. You're right. Lofts to read. Jabba.

Yeah. So job. is your problematic character. Okay. I was going to, yeah, that's my problematic. Okay. And we're back to Amanda. So I have hero or villain, and I can curse someone.

And I don't really feel that strongly about any of the remaining movies to curse people with. And also my options are Mal who would be excited to get the third movie, Sith something. Can't remember the full title. It's tough. And I don't want to curse Chris because I already took Hansel away from him. So I might just let that shake out and instead take hero or villain. Well, some major characters still on the board. Okay.

Does Yoda count as a hero? Yes. That's who I picked. Yes. I picked Yoda. I always kind of thought Yoda was kind of boring. You could have also picked Yoda as a villain. No, I just meant that's why I didn't pick him.

Let pelt be rise. I'm not really a Yoda guy either. Okay. Nothing against him. He seems wise. Even if you have all the wisdom in the world, you can't always do the right thing in Star Wars. That's what we learn.

That's the complication of Star Wars. You can't always sense the Sith rising. And he trains some important people and also my sons really like him. So at this point, I'm just drafting for the boys. He's very powerful. Baby Yoda had been in the mix here. Right. But as we have learned, thanks to Mallory and Joanna,

no, but we have learned that they are the same species, which is something that I have now heroically explained to a four-year-old. Can you name another member of that species? No, but there's one more. Because we talked about it. It's three people count as a species now? Well, there's more than that we don't know very much about them.

We know that Yoda, they live to be at least 900 years old. They're old. And inherently four sensitive as a race. Right. And we only know about three of them. I can't name the third person. Cincinnati. Yaddle.

Yaddle. She's a large jober. guys. Yaddles her name. I've been forgotten again. Is Yoda getting by on his sentence construction? Like, does Yoda actually have that much to offer?

But he just puts it in such a I mean, he fucked up. Yoda is sitting in front of there's a lot of Yoda's feet. Okay? Yoda and Mace. They're both like shoulder shrugging for the fall of the Republic. Exactly. Straight up. Yeah.

That said, I got some notes for Yoda. Oh, no question. The greatest teacher failure is beautiful lesson. Hasn't the Republic fallen three times? Yes, but this was... And he's only responsible for one of them, so it's not just Diota. He missed the rise of Palpatine. Darth Sidious is like in meetings with him regularly on his Google Cal and he's like,

I feel none of this. Very tough. And then he pieced out to Dagaba. Embarrassing. A bit of a flaw in the face. Govern you must, you know. Embarrassing. And then, perhaps honestly, worst of all.

When he's training Luke on Degabai, he's like, don't go save your friends. That is some dark, gnarly shit. And Luke doesn't listen because it's in his nature to go save his friends. Part of why Luke is great. That's part of why the Echo in The Last Jedi is so good is because he's like a He doesn't listen to Yoda. He goes to save his friends. He doesn't do anything.

When you're young, you're idealistic. You're willing to take chances. That's the whole premise of the movies. Got it. Okay. I'm going to take problematic character. And I'm inspired by C.R.'s pick of Jabba the Hut.

Okay. So in my problematic character, I'm going to take Emperor Chief Palpatine. Yeah. Okay. And because I didn't, when we were talking problematic, which one is that?

He's the greatest villain in film history. They keep, and they just keep up in the airsy, like, so is Galactus, you know? But like, Alpy. So. didn't really follow through on that.

It was fantastic for him. There's like a pre-emperor, and then there's an emperor. He's a senator, then he's an emperor. He's the chancellor, yeah. Senator-Chancellor and emperor, but it's all the same dude. And then somehow he returns. So he's clear villain, but let me make my case for specifically problematic. Number one, a big-time groomer.

Grooms a young Anakin Skywalker from the point that he is legitimately an elementary school kid, grooms and lies to Darth Mall making him think that he was a Sith when guess what? He really wasn't. Super mean to Darth Vader, which they don't really get into. Has Darth Vader, makes Darth Vader, like, has him in a weird relationship where he has to rely on him and he, like, makes him turn against his own family, the whole thing.

Then so problematic, so addicted to power, that he can't allow anybody else to have power. he has to have it eternally. So he puts himself in a cloning situation, consciousness, and something else, uses a Sith cult to bring himself back at the end because he can't get rid of it. He's not just a villain, but he's also a bad person.

He's like, he's a boomer bad boss, is your argument. Yeah. Yeah, he won't get out of the way. And he doesn't respect more based on it. Three stories. Yeah, I almost had that joke earlier. I'm glad you got that one off. That's not the first to make that joke.

Yota, you could make an argument for Yoda too. Yeah. I was actually thinking about him in this category as well. Yeah, same. So I like that pick. Even though he's not historically amongst the culturally insensitive, although you could say he's culturally. No, no, no, he's racist.

But what is? No, no, no, he's, he's also a racist. Who is? Yoda or it's Palpatine. Okay. Like, Palpatine does not allow non-humans to be in the empire. He is a racist against aliens. The only one that is in the empire is Thron,

and he makes a special case for Thron. Thrawn is like the Jackie Robinson of the empire. He makes a special case for Thron because Thrawn is so brilliant. The whole Thron story is fucking amazing. But there are no aliens that are allowed to be in the empire. He's a human supremacist. But they didn't integrate the empire after Throne. I know because maybe Throne didn't become NL MVP.

But what I'm saying is he couldn't get on base. Cidius is also like notoriously a racist. Solid peck. Ian McDarmid? The longest serving? One of the more extraordinary 35 year performances in movie history? 50 year.

I mean, how many, he was in movies for 50s? 50s and 20 years. It's great. How old was he when he first portrayed the emper? I think he was like in his 40s, early 40s or 30s or something. He looked a lot older than what he actually was. Yeah, really amazing. Because when he came back in the prequels, I was like, hey,

I absolutely love him in the prequels. I think his over the top portrayal of that guy is some of the most fun shit in those movies. The Jedi are trying to take over. Okay. Who's next? I am. I will be happily selecting my vehicle now. I'll be taking the X-Swing,

which is somehow still here, despite being one of the most iconic ships in Star Wars. If we were picking specific vehicles, and we had to, I would pick the T-65B, aka Red 5, Luke Skywalker's X-wing. You're just taking them all. Picking them all.

Why not? The X-Wing. I would like you to use a picture of Luke's X-wing, Jack, if at all possible. That would be great. But I'm taking them all. People are like, I'm having a hard time visualizing.

Taking them all. The X-Wing is iconic. Every time it opens and closes, fantastic, you got your Astromack with you for the ride. The best. So as much as people hate on Mando and Grogu, or Mando, the show, the first season of that,

at the end, when that X-Wing is crawling up. It's incredible moments. I stood up and went, that's fucking Skywalker. It's the best. And it was nuts. That's how iconic the vehicle is. You know that that's what Luke is riding around in. Thanks, buddy.

In popular culture in the last six years. That was the shit that we were like, this matters. Yeah. A TV show or sitting alone in our apartment during COVID. Right.

That's not ideal. Got our action figures at home. Great stuff. Um, okay. Who's next? You are. You're on the turn, man. You got two.

You're last two. You have to curse Van, right? So you have... That was tough. You have problematic character. And wild card. Um, gosh.

Problematic character. I think I'll take Newt Gunray as my representative from the Trade Federation, which is a character who was portrayed in a movie in 1999 that is one of the most blatant anti-Asian stereotypes I've ever seen in the history of cinema. Right.

And also blockades back in the news. Yeah. You know? And their strategy, which was shameful, and they were obviously pawns of the emperor. It didn't work out. I'm hopeful that everything works out in our world. I can't say for sure if that's going to happen.

We've only been potting for a couple of hours. We could add a couple of different flips in the story. You think that's possible? I feel like every day brings something new, man. Does Heggseth have you on speed dial? Me and Pete have not spoken. Okay. You're sure?

Okay. He looks like a Phillies fan. He sure does. He looks like a Chipper Jones fan. He does look like a Chipper Jones fan. Fucked me up with that one. Yeah, these are facts. Tough.

I like Chipper. Wildcarn, I'm going Boba Fett. Now, I cannot believe he lasted this long. Boba Fett. I think the TV shows have undermined his legacy somewhat. I would argue even the prequels have undermined his legacy somewhat. There's the famous Pat and Oswald bit where he explains, you know, you love BobaFed, one of the coolest characters in Star Wars.

And George Lucas is like, yeah. When we see him in the prequels, he's a kid. Like that's a kid. You're like, what? Which is an amazing Pat and Oswald riff. But to your point about Return to the Jedi, Boba Fed and Return of the Jedi, that was the coolest movie character of all time

when you were seven. That was that, am I crazy? Like, was that not like, who is this and what is their deal? I do think that there is a degree to which he, he like get, the Starlight Pit. He gets embarrassed. Exit happens real early. But we know he survives. Now we know. He survives.

He's nothing, yeah. But I love him. I love Boba Fett. It was one of the, it was also kind of like the mystery. As much they gave you in Star Wars, there was still mysterious characters. Like bounty hunters. What do they do? And what if I said, He was really like an exploration of male frailty, you know, and just the idea of, you know, unable to really express yourself hiding behind the mask, you know, using tools to make yourself seem more powerful. He is but a man.

Is he not? He's but a man, the son, the clone son of his clone of his. That's exactly right, which I didn't know when I was seven. And I'm not sure I like this. Here's my son, Nipa, who was just a clone, an unalter clone of me. Very normal. Very normal. Let's say.

Yes. Yeah. They cloned you. Yeah. Oh, I think that would be unwise for everyone. Because don't the clones, like, get itchy? Like, aren't they even meaner versions? Yeah, it's like a way mo. So no one needs that, right? There's definitely like a, yeah, there's an aggression.

No one needs like, you know, other mommy Amanda. But like, it already exists, but imagine it like at the next level. But would you say this is my son or my daughter? If it was a pure clone of you? No. You wouldn't, you wouldn't say that. No, I would try to nuke it. You know, they're kind of.

kill the clones? There can only be one me. Yeah. It's immediately a threat to me. Wow. That's some crazy like Ellen Ripley shit. True. You know what? The other day this is not specifically about clones, but it is about autonomous, you know, like fleets of things.

I was standing not in a crosswalk. It was trying to cross Hollywood Boulevard by my house. And a waymo was coming. And the Waymo sensed me. Yeah. It stopped. And it stopped. And I was like, one day it won't stop.

You know, like one day the software update will be like for maximum efficiency we have to keep going and I'm like that's when it gets real.

But the question is you were not using a crosswalk so who would be in the wrong in that circumstance? But one day the Waymo is going to be like I didn't see him. Well,

the Waymo won't say anything. There'll be a whole cultural debate about whether or not the Waymo was right or whether or not you were right. Do Waymo have feelings? You got to consider the Waymo's trauma

in the aftermath of murdering you in the street. Like, how are they going to go on Waymoing all around the city? The Waymo ended CR month. Wow, that's a horror movie. Well, it's time for me in the last round of a draft about the Skywalker saga to select my Skywalker family member. And I think it's fitting that we're talking about

machines. Because I will be selecting Anakin's chosen son, the son he built by hand C3PO Not R2 And R2 I'm about to expand my case

No wait Mallory You can't keep putting plurals To just take all lightsabors And all light sabers And by the rules of the draft It's up to... Sean could have said You have fit of one lightsever

I think the people who are listening at home to the show We'll see this as Olim You can't just be like droids No no no I didn't say droids Anneken built I will limit it to C3PO if But I think

Because you could be like I draft the Republic You could be like do that. You know, okay. Okay. All right. Van drafted the force. In wildcalf, he drafted lightsaber. Exactly. And this has been allowed the whole time. Listen, Anakin built C3O. C3PO. He built him. So I think at a minimum for sure, 3PO is an eligible pick. He's Ankin's son. He built him with his hands.

Now, I think he then adopted R2. That's the interpretation of the creator creation relationship that we're accepting here. she says out loud I'm a Skywalker, right? And that was deemed eligible. Basically like it's my adopted family. She has the last name. Yeah. C3PO's name is not C3PO.

I don't accept this. I just don't think this is valid. There's no one who built him by this. Yes, Anakin built three people. But building so. This is not a Christian society. You can build a taste. It's not your son.

Yeah. Yeah, they do. Absolutely. The Kyber crystal calls to them. Why couldn't you just say the lightsaber is a skywalker? because he crafted him to be a member of his family. But they're not family members, they're droids. Oh, well, this is a little bit of like...

Okay, so is every single... That's like saying... That's like saying... A little bit of a family. It's every single... A little chipperer. It was a little racial. A son of the...

No, no, because it's about the nature of the relationship. Do you think that he treats them like family? Like a brother or son? I think he treats them like shit. No, no, not Artu. R2 and Anakin? That's a tight bond. Artu and Anakin's a type of bar.

That's also not who you drafted. I'm trying to draft both of them. 3PO and R2 together as adopted members of the Skywalker family. Why did you start with C3PO? Because he built him by hand. And he did build R2 by him. By the way, I could argue that. That's just like, he got a gift.

That's like, Padma is like here's a robot. It's a story about found family. And those are the closest. I don't think you would allow any of us to have tried this earlier. Now, the answer is no. So why don't you try and pick up the other Skywanka? You knew you were going to have to draft. I've got one more thing to attempt here.

I'm not done yet. Okay. Let's see. Let's delete 3PO from the screen that we're all looking at. I believe that 3PO and R2 should have been eligible. I actually think it's a shame to get through the draft without any droids on the board. You could have asked me beforehand if they were and I would have told you no. But you told Amanda that Ray wasn't eligible and then Ray was eligible.

So your word is nothing. Your word is nothing. This is a very different circumstance. That's how it survives. I think that I should have been allowed to make the pick. However, okay. But let me say something that is irrefutable, which is that... This is gamesmanship.

She started with something she knew was going to get rejected so that we accepted this thing. We'll see. No, no, no. Go ahead. I'm not afraid. Anakin was conceived by the Middiclorians. They are his father. That is canon.

Absolutely not. That is canon. That's like saying, no. I'm having so much. much fun right now, I'm back in college. That is canon. It's like... You guys are...

That's a violation of canon if you say that that can't be a bit. Midiclorians are also an inanimate object. They are not a corporeal form on the earth. They're family member. Family member. Why is an inanimate... You guys have the medicoons are alive.

What are you talking about? They're alive. They're alive. Definitely. What are they? They're like... They're like... They're little things that exist in symbiotic... Anakin has the highest

midichlorian count and he was conceiving. He was conceived. Is there Adam? Whygon Jin says, conceived by the midichlorians. That is canon. Does he not have parents? According to who? Shmi and the midilorians.

Now, I could also argue that it's actually... Who are the parents of midi chlorians? What are their names? Why does that matter? Well, explain how they're part of a family. Why are they hiding? Why wouldn't they come forward? You know what'd have been interesting?

It would be interesting if you had chose Palpatine because some people say that it was actually Palpatine. Well, there's some comics canon that supports the like, yeah, what actually create not eligible. He used the midichlorians. Can we can you just draft shit? I think this is for shit.

That's insane. You misplayed the game. No, no, no, I'm fine with shmmy. That's fine. I told you yesterday I'd be fine with shmmy. I don't understand genuinely why the midichlorians are not eligible. Midichlorians are not a person. This is family member.

This is meant to be a person. Midichlorians are alive. Why? I don't understand. They're not. They're not a person. Have we ever seen a midichlorians? It's a family member.

Right, that's not a family member. That's not a family member. Of course, Anakin's father. Even by the definition of found family, no, it's a mac's father. You had a much better argument. I think that you and the Star Wars canon, like Christianity, are disrespecting this is actually a dividing line because any person who comes forward and says I stand with Mal on this, I don't ever want to talk to you. I just think this is a violation of canon.

And I think it's a shallow, narrow view of what family is. 3PO not being eligible is tragic. What a meaningful bond that spans the entire saga. Star Wars is an entire saga about bloodlines. And it's kind of weird. And even the metacloryan stuff when they're testing his blood eyes, like, what is going on here? Oh, yeah. This is a little strange.

And whygon steals the blood. And many of our problems with Rise of Skywalker are that they reintroduce the bloodline stuff into what was like an opening. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're making my point for me. The problem with Rise of Skywalker is that it once again all had to be just about Palpatine and Skywalker and those two names. I am trying to combat the crimes of Rise of Skywalker by broadening our view and our understanding of what family is. And the bond that you would make with a droid like R2 or choosing to build and bring three people into the world. A midi-chlorian does not have personhood, period. It's over.

Family. You don't think droids in Star Wars are people? No, they're not. Somehow we did end up debating. Terrible. Disagree. You guys have done them a couple of times. I'm fine with Schme.

You made a valid effort, but your mock outrage over your bad idea will not be held up in this court. Droids in Star Wars are main characters. Of course they are. They were eligible in other categories, not in Skywalker family members. Why? Because they're not people. You don't think a pet is a family member? You can't trap him with this.

I would have entertained it if you had brought it to the table beforehand and discussed it with you. I don't know where I would have got. on, but things that are not alive are definitely not on the table. Yeah, like, in that sense, isn't so nice. Is it Anakin's tie fighter, a family member then? Like, because it's not the way he thinks of it. He thinks of that as a tool. I don't know how.

He does have some tight relationships with some of his ships. Yeah, he does. Right. And it's saber. Did anybody bring that up? The saber is by your definition. Oh, the chiber crystal. It kind of is a little bit of that.

But he's saying R2, you're my brother. 3PO. I built you with my heads. He never says that, does he? Through his actions. Okay. You heard of show don't tell? There's totally no evidence that he identifies them as family members.

Not true. Not true. Well, he definitely loves Archie DeJ. Yeah. That's totally different. You know what I love? All my Blu-rays. They're not alive and they're not in my family.

I think if you pulled every listener in the big picture, can we meme that one? He says, let's get out of here. He says, let's get out of here. He goes, don't forget the droids. Of the big picture would say, if you said, does Sean consider Blu-Rays, family members, they would say yes.

He does not consider them animate objects. I'm saying for the record as the owner of said Blu-rays, they're not in my family. Yeah. All right, easy pick for me. Amanda Phantamins. No, I already have. I already gave her phantomannis. I did that like 20,000 minutes ago.

And I said that that was better than receiving Rise of Skywalker, which is what you got. Oh, okay. So I got the bad movie instead of the evil movie. You have to curse. Congratulations to Rise of Skywalker for its big picture evil movie designation. I have to curse you with the movie that I don't really hate that much. You have to curse me. I have to curse you, yeah.

I have to curse you with Solo. That's fine. Is that the last one on the board? No. No. I have not been cursed yet. There are a few. Revenge of the Sith.

Oh, you can't curse anybody with that. That's that shit. It would be more of a curse for me. I'd tell you that. Revenge of the Sith would be more of a curse for me. Much rather watch Solo than Revenge of the Sith. You already made the pick. I've already made the pick.

I'm good with the pick. Like, he's wrong. But yeah, I'm going to curse him with Solo. Solo, you know, whatever. You are. I can't curse you with Revenge you, the Sith. I like the movie too much. This is my weakest pick, but I don't fully understand the category.

So, yeah, this is my weakest big. You feel differently about the movies than other people do. So what is a curse to us? It's not a curse to you. I have solo ranked number eight. So it's not my favorite movie, but it's certainly not in the bottom. For clarity, the game theory is that some categories have scarcity and some categories have too many options. I feel you.

Right? So Shmi, someone was always going to get Shmi. Well, she probably was sitting there for, two hours be like when I pull out C3PO and they all go. Oh my god. But by the same token, Shmi is the mother of all you respect. But by the same token, someone was always going to get cursed with a movie that

someone else thinks is pretty cool. Yeah. We don't have Star Wars without Shmi. Just throwing that out there. We do not have Star Wars without Shoe. This is also the theme of the Da Vinci Code. But for the Bible. All right.

Yeah. What is the theme of? It's in the Louf. Shmi deeply wronged by Quigon. Who was like, I'm just going to leave you here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. pretty good about the Schmee pick. Okay, so you've got Solo as your curse pick. Amanda has to curse me. I have to curse now. Because she's the only one who hasn't cursed anyone and I'm the only one who hasn't been cursed. The two films that are left on the border, are Revenge of the Sith and the Force Awakens. Just FYI. Two movies I love. Yeah. I mean... This is a big win for Malady's.

Yeah. I'm just not going to give in to you on the Sith stuff. I really like both of the movies. So I'll do Force Awakens, which, you know... Now I've got Kylo on my team in some capacity. thrilling. There we go. Great.

Is that the final pick? No, CR has his vehicle. I think I'll do... I'm going to do Luke's Landspeeter from New Hope, the one that he's tooling around. Isn't that ineligible?

Because Amanda picked Speakers. But she picked the ones from Return of the Jedi. She picked a specific speeder, though. She did. She picked Speeder bikes. Yeah. The Desert Landspeer.

So that pick is in, right? That pick is in. That's final. No one picked the Star Destroyers? Eh, I think they're okay. They're cool the way they start the movies. Are they even not like,

do they have any handling? They like crash into each other. They're cool. They're cool. We saw them get fucked up in Rise of Skywalk. Yeah. I mean, they get fucked up sometimes but they're kind of indicative of what the empire is. It's like big cock show. I like gold leaders thing. I can't remember what that's called.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I didn't take boba, I wanted to take Slave 1. I always thought that was a really cool ship. Slave. Jesus Christ, How did you? They had to rename it in recent years. Yeah.

What do they call us? Yeah. It's a fucking spaceship. Talking about Chipper Jones over here. You're talking about I love Slave One. What did they rename it? How do you feel about slave two? Like, so.

I think they call it. Yeah. The fire spray. John still hold now for. They really don't call it that? Benny Off and Wifee. They woke up Star Wars. So the walkers also other vehicles.

Walk out here. Or ATATs. The ATSs. The ATSs. They're S. ATSs. Yeah, didn't get out.

Zach, my husband was sure that you guys would immediately go for the ATATs. I like that. I feel like when you were brought down by four people with some string.

Well, this was related to not to spoil Mando, but this was like the ATA-A-T situation at the beginning of Mando. I was like, what's going on here? Yeah. If you had taken Death Star

in Wild Card, then you, or in vehicle instead of wildcard, you could have taken droids and we would have some fucking droids on the board. You could have taken a real Skywalker

instead of trying to make inanimate objects and some family members. I have the mother who allowed the entire canon of Star Wars. Right. And that's how you've spoken about her,

as do the rest of the Star Wars fandom. This is great. Yeah. Okay, so let's see. There's many honorable mentions we can go through here. Do you want to talk through some of them? I'll just say that I had Uncle Owen as a problematic character. Okay.

Say more. He was hiding a child. Yeah, I'm sure. Why was he doing that? Didn't want to let Luke be who he was. Waddo, not selected on the problematic character friend. one assumes would have been pretty high up there. Saw Carrera.

Yeah, Saul would have been a great big. The fucking terrorist. Ah. He was like, he... I'm like, good guys. He's a really interesting... To me, he's one of the examples of the ways Star Wars can be interesting. That's like a confrontation with what your idea of revolution is.

I like that. Right. I mean, I fuck with him, but like, let's be honest, Saul lost it at a certain point. Right. It seems, yes. They communicated. He went over the other, over the line. Crenick's a good villain

Crenics a good villain Mall Not Deacon No Darth Mall Well nobody took Mace Nobody took Quigon Right Quagon is still here

Nobody took Storm Troopers As a wild card Again nobody taking droids As a wild card Storm Jupiters Is there a known in my house Storm Jupiters Nobody picked

Po or Finn Nobody picked Chewbacca Chubaka Not being picked is tough I like Chubbac But I don't really know It's on his mind I think if we had Hero and Villas

this two categories, Chui would have been selected certainly as a hero. Do you want if Chubaka the entire time is like, oh, that sucks. It's actually super tough when I get asked to do Chubaka. Because I'm like, I have to do a podcast. I can't do that to my voice. Chewy not being picked, that's tough.

If I could go back, honestly, like I feel like Cassian, I kind of had a little bit of like a blacked out and I was like, I don't know who picked here. I think I would have gone back and done Chooey if I could do it all over. What about Snoke? Honestly, I didn't think he was that bad

when I was watching Last Jedi again, I was like, this is actually pretty cool. Once again, it's a Rise of Skywalker problem at the end of the day. What about General Grievous? Grievous, I thought, could have been picked, certainly. Hux could have been picked.

Fun character. They fucked that character out. In the third one, they fucked him up really bad. That pivot, too. That turn with him is terrible. He was like, I'm a good guy too. Captain Fasma? Phasma, not a very good character.

I had the hologram messages on my... Graham's could have been picked as a wild card. Force ghosts. Force ghosts are pretty fun. Horse ghosts, that would have been good. Jedi temples could have been picked. Sure. If we were going to do A-K.

I was also thinking about for hero, I had wedge in there. Sure, wedge. One of your old guys. One of your original guys. I feel like I have wedge on my team in a way because I have X-wings, so that's fun. Which would have argued that I wouldn't be allowed to have wedge

since you've drafted the entire aerial. Do you think base window is problematic? How so? Well, he's just in the same way that you, Yoda fails, he's just kind of a fool. He is a fool. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a only really really strong black character in the prequels and he's made to be a fool.

Well, I mean, they were all fools. You know what? We, we call them fools, but at the same time, they are insanely powerful. Citius is like, just almost doubly powerful than what Mace Wind do is. I mean, I mean, maybe not doubly, but like Sidious is just like a once in a lifetime dark force creation. The hubris and arrogance of the Jedi. you know, attachment's bad.

Is it? And they stopped listening to the will of the living force and they started, they came to be kind of like bureaucrats for the Senate. So they lost their way, which is probably another reason

why they weren't listening to the will of the force, which is why they probably couldn't see what Sidious was. Quigon Jim was talking about. Listen to the will of the living force. Like Daryl. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Too much faith in analytics. Did you guys ever see the clip from like 15 years ago when they had Ewox on today's show for Halloween? But the Ewach showed up really drunk and then started

and moonwalking. And humping and curse. Have you never seen this? This is the best minute of two minutes of daytime TV that I've ever seen in my life. The puppeteers drunk? Yeah, the, the, the, the, the, EWox. I don't actually know what was happening. I don't know about the substance intake of the people who were in EWalk costumes.

But they started misbehaving. I've never seen this. It's really, I thought about it in Wildcard. I'm glad I took John Williams. but it's this single best like viral video John Weld was definitely a better picking wild card and you made the right choice

No one took back to tanks you know That would be a fun one Antoine Cantina bands Okay yeah so everybody's in their costumes Is that cutting into John Williams Would be

How have I never seen this? Jaws never got picked Jaws Jaws yeah Tuscan Raiders Would you have considered Tusken Raiders Problematic characters?

I had them in my problematic list yeah Jawa's a problematic The way they're treated yes Yeah. Sterminated.

Yeah. Why are they doing this? That's exciting. So, Al Roker is dresser bike. That's fine. Speeder and speeder bike. I think there's two different vehicles.

Interesting. You don't think they're two different vehicles? Like one you ride. Sure. Yeah. You straddle. There's like a other swing. Man, I've ever seen this?

They were funny. Oh, here's where he was. Oh. Maybe. You know what I was thinking about taking in wildcard? What the fuck? What's going on? What's going on?

The Today show. You took Boba, but Mandalorian armor? Moss Isley Spaceport. A lot of great planet specific. I mean, no one took Tattoo-in. We don't have rights to air NBC content on our airwaves. No, one took Tattoine. It's really funny.

I was going to take ILM. Oh, that's good. It would have been a good you pick. It would have been a dorky pick. It would have been a Dorky pick. Yeah. Yeah. Could have gone in a wild.

wild card. What's all George up to? Aside from opening a museum. Well, I can't wait for that. I think that seems like it. I heard nice things with the museum. Oh, good. Okay. I'm excited. It's alleged to the opening in September. Can't wait. That's what they say. Yeah. Oh, like on SE's campus, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Cool. I don't know. Otherwise. You won't go? You won't go to the museum? I'll check it out. Sure. Okay. I like museums. Do you think he has a nice life? George Lucas? Yes, I think he has among the best lives. What is he up six, seven billion or something like that? I'm not sure. Doesn't he own, like, most of Marin County? Is that a fact? I mean, no, it's not.

But, and it's probably through various LLCs if he does. I'd like to go to Skywalker Ranch. Same. Same. Would you go? Yeah, sure. I'd like to, there's other ranches I'd like to visit first. Yeah, well, Dutton, obviously.

That's really one to go. Taylor's ranch in Texas. Oh, yeah. Like what? Like 600 acres or something? It's like half tech. Let's slow down for a second. You and Taylor are sitting together.

Yeah. Two men. Trying to come up with a new idea for Star Wars. Now, that's something. And it's about how women have gotten a little. That actually... His movie would be awesome. I'm not against it.

$5.2 billion. Yeah, his movie would be awesome. This movie would actually be awesome to me. It would scandal to watch it. I'd watch all of the Star Wars films for this podcast except for attack of the clones, which I didn't get to. What if he made a lioness in space? And your son was like, I need that.

I need to watch that or I need to be. or I need to be a lioness or I need a lioness in my life. Well, I'll tell you what, a lioness in your life will do wonders for you. I'm raising them. I'm raising both my sons to appreciate strong women. That's amazing. Quick question for Sean. Wait till they meet Beth Dutton.

Interesting. Wait till they meet Beth Dutton. Sean, there are five directors that are worth over a billion dollars. James Cameron. Can you name them? That's one. Steven Spiel. Billard.

George Lucas. Three. Five directors that are worth for a billion dollars. Personal net worth. A net worth is over a billion. Can I ask what your sourcing is on this? I'm looking at this article that's from business insider.com. Okay.

Well. Is Tyler Perry one of them? Yes. Tyler, for sure, right? That's a good one. This was from December 19th, 2025, so it's fairly recent. One billion dollars. There's a.

Another, this is a person who is a filmmaker second? Is it going to be like Brad Bird or something? This is a big gigantic director. That directs a big gigantic property. Cameron, we said, Lucas, we said, Tyler Perry, we said, and Steven Sparrow. I wouldn't have thought about this guy. There must have been something in this deal. So it's a man, you're saying.

Yeah. It won't let women direct films either. It's not the little fair. They just won't let women have a billion dollars. That's true. Gosh, it's got to be so obvious that it's... It's not that obvious because when I saw that, I was actually surprised, but it makes sense when you think about it.

When I saw it, I was actually surprised, but I was like, huh. He has that much brand, but it must have been in the deal for these movies that he made, that he had some kind of crazy back end or first dollar girls on. About like Todd Phillips, is it? Okay. I feel good that it's not. Jack, do you know? We were going to guess JJ.

Abrams? No, no, no. It's Peter Jackson. Oh, of course. When you said Of course. Yeah. Like when I saw that, I was like, because I don't know what the structure of his deal was. He also has Weida or whatever. Wedda and he's got the Hobbit movies and so he's made a lot of money

and done a lot of stuff. Yeah. Peter Jackson. That's really interesting. Great true. I love trivia like that. Yeah. That's wonderful. Okay. How many of you guys have a billion dollars? None of us. Sadly. No. Working on it. Yeah, not yet. What if we put all of our wealth together?

Could we buy the Skywalker Ranch? I don't think so. No, probably couldn't even buy a teakup. Yeah, I don't think we could buy the Skywalker ranch. How does everyone feel? You ready to recite your picks? I feel like I started strong. I wobbled in the middle and finished fine.

Bobble with it. I feel like I did pretty good. I feel like there are a couple of choices in there that like, you know, whatever. I think you guys brought great creativity to the categories. I feel like I kind of was... Some of us may be too much. Well, one tried. All right, I'll...

I'll read mine first since I picked first. In movie, I selected the Empire Strikes Back. In Skywalker family member, I picked a living person named Princess Leia. In hero or villain, I chose Ben Solo, aka Kylo Ren. In the movie I was cursed with, I received Attack of the Clones from Mallory. That's right. In vehicle, I chose Darth Vader's Thai fighter,

which is called the Thai Advanced X-1. In problematic character, I picked Newt Gunray, who runs the Trade Federation, who is a terrible stereotype. And in Wildcard, I chose one of my favorite characters of all time, BobaFet. Mal? Pretty good. In movie, I selected a new hope. As my hero and hero or villain, I selected Obi-1 Canobi. My wild card, lightsapers, problematic character, Jar Jar Jar Binks, I received from Amanda.

not really a curse. Thank you. Star Wars, The Force Awakens. My vehicle, X-Wings. You made me pick specifically, it would be Red 5, Luke's T-65, but X-Wings more broadly. And then my Skywalker family member is the matriarch who allowed us as pop culture fans

as lovers of story to talk about this at all. Shmi, thank you. Thank you. Honestly, don't remember this person. Okay. Van your third. Pretty good.

Darth Vader and hero of villain probably should have took him in Skywalker. Malian Falcon, the vehicle, the Force and Wildcard, Ray Skywalker, Skywalker family, remember,

remember, Return of a Jedi and movie, felt like that was a steal. Darth Sidious, a groomer of children, a liar in problematic character, and was cursed

with just a fucking whammy. Yeah, Star Wars, the rise of Skywalker. I have fucking In Skywalker family member, I have Hans Solo. In movie, I have The Last Jedi. In problematic character, I have the elder person in the age gap relationship and also questionable leadership tactics from Padme, Amadala. Wildcard, I have John Williams vehicle. I have speeder bikes, hero or villain. I have Yoda.

And then I was cursed with the Phantom Menace, which I think is quite poor. So that was effective. In Skywalker family member I took Luke Skywalker In movie I took Rogue 1 In Wildcard I took the Death Star In movie I've been cursed with I was given solo a Star Wars story

Hero or villain I took Cassie and Andor Problematic character I took the man who needs a RICO charge Jabba the Hut And in vehicle I took Luke's Speeter from a new hope That he drives around the desert in

Fun stuff Fun Only question about the presentation of is like, because the swap on the movie we were cursed with. So we're just going to do graphic design now? Well, I am curious about this because like I think Rise of Skywalker, it where Sean chose to hit Van with it was like part of, I think, the power of the pick.

Like it looks like a really high pick. And now it's at the end. You should have like a little fuzzy mic. Same with Vance of Menace. And you just walk people through everybody's pick and then do an extended monologue about why you tried to pick both a pile of metal. It doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect me.

A pile of metal. The droids are indelible and inextricable from the spirit of Star Wars. As competitive and obnoxious as I am through all of these experiences, I don't not know the winner of any of the last 10 drafts. Like, I literally couldn't name them. So while I do respect your concern for clarity in terms of the picks, we've kind of evolved beyond winners, losers, victors. Yeah, feel great.

I agree. Had a blast. This was a good one. This was a great one. Thank you guys. What fun. Star Wars. Pretty cool.

Mando and Grogu. we will just do this all over again immediately after it's released. And we just don't know the plot of this movie or like even the logline. I think that we do now because of what we saw. They're hunting imperial remnants, right? They're trying to get a warlord. That's the log line.

That may come up. I don't want to spoil it for anybody who's excited about the film. I was the doomsay trailer. I didn't like it. Oh. Oh, well, no. But that doesn't mean other people won't like it. That's upsetting. Yeah. Did you read about it? I read a little bit. Did you read about it? Yes.

Did you watch it? It's not available. I thought that they... Oh, they didn't release it? They have not released it yet. Okay. I am. It doesn't do anything you really haven't seen before.

Is Downey's accent good? I don't think he spoke. You don't think he spoke either. Or if he does, it's very quiet. I didn't know if it was like high Latvirian or, you know, like kind of a new take on it or what? You mean, like, did he sound like Roger Rabbit or something? What do you... I mean, I look forward to both of your thoughts.

And yours as well. Chris. It's okay. Will you be seeing Doomsday? I will be seeing Doomsday. Will you see it in Dune on the same day? Sure. If it comes to that, yeah. Will you pay the Infinity Vision upcharge? Oh, yeah, for sure. I've been looking forward to a new way of watching Marvel movies.

I read it's roughly $300 more than your average ticket. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. Any closing thoughts? Just great to share Star Wars with friends. Truly. What a treat. Really hope Mandoo movies good and that they let

Grogu, shine in the way that they're in the Oscar. And what's next after Mando? We just don't know. Starfighter. Starfighter. Next year.

Next May. With the biggest star in the world. Won't have to wait long. So that's exciting. But like no more shows. Oh, we're getting a second season of Asoka. Pretty soon. Oh, yeah.

Is that the last one that's in production? To my knowledge. They're doing it right now. Molder me. I mean, the mall show is on right now. Shadow Lord. So the animated shows continue and they're excellent. The mall show's really good.

Really good. It is. Thank you guys. for making the time for this. You can listen to Van Lathen on seven pods. Yeah, a lot of podcasts. Mal can hear you on

House of R and other pods. CR. Have you, is this your first pod? Yeah, this is very exciting. I've been wondering what it's all about. It's really exciting. Amanda, where can we find you?

You know, just catching up on all this, on all of these tabs I have opened. The tabs are chronological order. Skywalker family. What does Saw Guerrera do? And drunk, on Today Show.

So if you need me. All good queries. I can't wait to see your algorithm next. The next time you see Amanda, she will be on this feed talking about the Devil Wars Prada too. And so for all that lustre about the Phantom Menace.

Have you seen it? No. As of this recording, I don't know when this is airing because we might be doing a little future recording here. Well, I have seen it when people are listening to this.

You will. Okay. And I'll be there for it. I have my outfit ready, so that's all that matters. Yeah. I think we're seeing it at a Burbank AMC,

so I don't know. what you need to wear. Oh, I see. Okay. I'll be dressing up for the screening. You should do that. Like Stanley 2G. Yeah. I'll be in a ball gown. Thanks so much to Jack Sanders. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh. Thanks to everybody at home. We'll see you next Friday for the Devil Wars product, too. Before you knew what a stock was, you traded snacks, cards, turns.

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