The Big Picture - The Winners, Losers, and WTFs of the Golden Globes

Episode Date: March 1, 2021

It was a Zoom ceremony for a Zoom reality at this year’s Golden Globes. Sean and Amanda talk about the production of the virtual show, the ways the Hollywood Foreign Press Association addressed its recent controversies, how hosts Tina Fey and Amy Poehler fared, the night’s big winners, and what it all means for the Academy Awards. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Watch is the latest and the greatest in pop culture from best friends Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald. Join them as they discuss TV, movies, music, and much more. Check out The Watch on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the Golden Globes. We've just watched the latest edition of this weird-ass award show. Who won? Who lost? Who got an Oscar boost? Who embarrassed themselves? How did everyone's Zoom background look? Stay

tuned to find out because it's all coming up on The Big Picture. Okay, Amanda, the time has come. We've just finished watching this year's edition of the Golden Globes after much agita anxiety and frustration they have arrived what did you think of the big show tonight I hate to admit it but I had a nice time and like let's talk we'll talk through it and we'll talk through the stages of it because this awards show was deliberately paced and they put a lot of things up front at the top of the show on purpose. And it's maybe the only deliberate thing that happened throughout this three hours. But at some point, like I'm just a sucker for awards shows and celebrities. And I was glad to have it back, even though I know all of the

problems with the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, even though I knew all the problems with the nominees and the films that were not represented this year, even though I know some of the problems with the people who were chosen to win, which I don't actually have problems with the actual winners, but there were some surprises and some weird things. So also it was a mess, just technologically speaking. We'll talk about that. So there's a lot going on, but I'm kind of a mark and I have to be honest about it. I'll sit on the couch and be like,

okay, well, now people are making jokes about celebrities. I don't get to do that that often. So there you go. Yeah, I think like all the Golden Globe Award ceremonies, it was simultaneously baffling, poorly run, and oddly comforting. There was something kind of a gentle, soothing foolishness happening throughout this entire award show.

And let's just talk about the criticism part up front, because the first half of the show, or at least the first third of the show, it was very striking, I think, the way that the show presented itself. Tina Fey and Amy Poehler, of course, were the hosts of the show. And in the face of a lot of the criticism that the Hollywood Foreign Press Association has received in the last week, especially in the aftermath of that story in the Los Angeles Times, which we talked about earlier this week on the show, a handful of things happened that made it clear that the HFPA was listening to what people were saying about it. One, obviously giving Tina and Amy what felt like carte blanche to make whatever jokes they wanted to make. At a certain point, Tina Fey specifically head on just said, quote, everybody is understandably upset at the HFPA and their choices. A number of black actors were overlooked. Inclusivity is important and there are no black members of the HFPA. You've got to change that.

And then we pivoted directly into the ceremony awards. First of which was for best supporting actor in a film, which went to Daniel Kaluuya for his work in Judas and the Black Messiah. And then shortly thereafter, there was an award for best performance in a limited series or television movie, and that went to John Boyega, two black British performers who I think probably represented something very specific that the HFPA was otherwise accused of not representing. profoundly cynical about this. And it's not uncommon for supporting actor prizes to come early in award shows because it's a way to reel the audience in by showing a famous face early on while not necessarily giving out one of the six or seven most high profile awards. But it felt a bit like, hey, we can definitely recognize black actors and we're going to do so in the first 20 minutes of this award show. Is that too cynical of me to assume that that was what was going on there? I don't think so because right after that or within the first 45 minutes, there was also

the segment that featured three members of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, the president Ali Saar, former president Mahir Tatna and vice president Helen Hona. And they were just there to talk about the lack of Black members in the Hollywood Foreign Press Association. They just stood there. And this is a direct quote, just like in film and television, Black representation is vital. We must have Black journalists in our organization, which, yes, all of that is true, 100%. But they did march out within the first 45 minutes to just say that directly. I mean, it felt surreal that it even had to be said, which is a part of this whole conversation. So I don't think you're wrong in

wondering if the orders of the awards were put in a certain way. I think also, we were thrilled to see Daniel Kaluuya when I was, I assume you were as well. We're huge fans of that movie and that performance and him as an actor. But there was like a very on the nose moment. He was the first winner and just absolutely his audio cut out. just right there, everything they needed to be said or is going on with the Hollywood Foreign Press Association in one very uncomfortable moment. Thankfully, thankfully, they fixed the audio. And they gave him a chance to come back on and give the speech that he wanted to give,

which we were grateful to hear. You're right, though. It felt like an unintended metaphor for some of the issues, not just with the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, but with Hollywood at large, with media at large, with all of these things that we've been talking about. It's interesting, obviously, you know, the reckoning over last summer that a lot of organizations went through, the HFPA was effectively non-active at that time. And so there is something kind of fascinating to watch what had been happening at a number

of organizations in July, August, September, October, essentially arriving in this very compressed window here during award season. Nevertheless, it did happen. There were a couple of other, I thought, odd things. I just learned during the ceremony because of a report from Scott Feinberg at The Hollywood Reporter that sole co-director Kemp Powers did not know that he was a nominee because he had the title of co-director for the film Soul. And similarly, a few years ago when Coco had a co-director, I believe his name is Adrian Molina, he was not nominated as a co-director. And so it felt as if in the last five or six days, the HFPA essentially changed its rules to recognize co-directors. And in this case, it is the black co-director of a film in which there is a black lead character. And his other

co-director, Pete Docter, of course, is white. And the producer, Dana Murray, is white. And so, you know, there's just a lot of funny business going on right now with the HFPA. And that was compounded by the fact that I guess they managed to recognize Ken Powers as a co-director, but they couldn't get a camera there in time, apparently, or they couldn't get him to the same place where Pete Docter and Dana Murray were. And so they just had him pre-film a thank you speech. And then they just like held an iPad up to the camera that was then on Zoom on our TVs. And everyone, it just looked terrible. But also, again, technology, not the feature of this Golden Globes, but it just really

underlined everything that you just said about the lateness and them not figuring out and not what's going on and not prioritizing the black co-director. And just before we started recording, you pointed out to me that the voting officially closed for this awards on Tuesday. The LA Times report, of course, was released on Sunday morning. There were a few days there where maybe the HFPA could have amended some of its rules or changed some of its voting or lobbied some of its members to make some decisions to, I don't know, withstand the oncoming wave of criticism that was coming in their direction. Nevertheless, it's a complicated thing because as you say, Daniel Kaluuya, John Boyega,

these are very worthy and great award winners, people who are a fan of, but I can't help but be a little bit dubious about the way that some of this show was organized and executed. On the other hand, there were parts of the show that were pretty fun. And I didn't watch the Emmys last year. I know that you did. I was curious how you felt this stacked up as far as the sort of Zoom virtual slash in-person award show goes. It was not as smooth as the Emmys. And I texted our friend and my jam session co-host, Juliette Lippman, about all of the Zoom backgrounds of it. And she, with an eye for production detail, was like, they just shouldn't.

It's too many Zooms. It's too many Zooms. You can't support this many Zooms. Which I guess that's true. There were starts and fits, and it just didn't seem like they had all of that worked out. I do think that there are fun parts of the Zoom still. We're going to talk about all the Zoom backgrounds. We're going to talk about all the choices people make of how they present themselves. And listen, I love celebrities and the voyeurism of it is appealing

to me, the controlled voyeurism. So I enjoyed that. I thought the kind of breakout rooms that they showed were chaotic, but sort of entertaining. The flip side of this is that I miss production value so much. Like, and I hate Zoom. I'm looking at you at a Zoom right now. I don't think I've literally seen you in person in 2021, which is insane. It's been months. And like, so looking at more Zooms, even if they're like beautifully staged Zooms and

everyone is glammed up, which most people were and the people who weren't, that was also a choice. And that was funny. I'm looking at you, Jeff Daniels. But like at some point, you're just looking at another damn Zoom. And I am tired of Zooms. The other thing comparing to the Emmys, the Emmys sent people in hazmat suits, basically, to deliver the statues to the winners.

And I don't want anyone's safety to be at risk for an awards show at all. And I trust that the hazmat suits protected that. So I guess I'm glad they didn't repeat it with the Golden Globes. But there was a sense of fun to that that was missing here. This was a little... People didn't understand what happened when they won, right?

They were like, do I start talking now? That happened again and again and again. And then they were gone as soon as they won. So I missed that sense of conviviality and joy. At one point, Amy and Tina actually made the joke, this could have just been an email, which of course has become the ongoing joke of all of us living on zoom for our professional lives over the course of the last 12 months and i saw a flurry of

conversation like that on twitter that this just had big you know four pages worth of zoom entrances meeting energy the whole night the sort of like that chaos that you're talking about the cross talk you know katherine o'hara for example, when she won an award for Schitt's Creek, her husband, Bo Welch, the great production designer Bo Welch, tried to do a bit where he was playing music over her to kind of interrupt her speech, but also playing some sort of like applause cross talk thing. The bit was clever and badly executed. And just if I was just watching at home and had zero investment in the globes i would have just changed the channel yes and so you know we run the risk of these kind of interferences and you and i've been in dozens of meetings in which you're trying to make a point frankly we've been on dozens of podcasts where i'm saying something and you're

like i have to say something and then we have to stop and stop down and be like actually okay why don't you go and then i'll let you go and like that shouldn't be in an award show like that's not that's already awkward enough in real life and so i agree seeing some of those stumbles is problematic on the other hand and i don't want to step too much on our best speeches of the night category but there were a couple of moments particularly i think lee isaac chung's award when he won for best foreign language film and his daughter clutching him. And then right at the end of the show and Andra Day won, she was surrounded by her entire family. And she was just having overcome by that moment.

Both of which you just wouldn't get in a normal award show. You wouldn't be able to see something that intimate. You know, real is probably too strong a word for it, but powerful, cool to see that happen. And so I think that there is weirdly some upside to this experience. Yeah. At an award show, you still are looking for a real one. When everyone can be in the same room, you're still looking for those moments of people becoming overwhelmed, or it's the reaction shot, or the people mingling. Those moments of like, oh, it's so cool that I got to see this despite all of the production and fanfare around this. And it's just a different type of like, oh, I'm so glad that I got that moment on Zoom. And that has its

pluses and its minuses. But I would agree with you. The Leah Zick Chung moment with his daughter, that was like instant tears for me. And I don't think that she would have been allowed to go. I think it would have been past her bedtime. Absolutely. So we did get some genuinely great Zoom backgrounds, more so in the beginning of the show than at the end. In the beginning, I was like, wow, everyone really prepared for this. You know, we got a glimpse at Jared Leto living in some sort of like glass serial killer house wearing a brown tux and his corsage. You know, we got to look at him. Incredible hair. Also the best. It's so You know, we got to look at him. Just incredible hair. Also the best.

It's so beautiful. It takes work to make long hair like that look that good. He's a beautiful man. He's a singular man. Whether he is a good actor, I think I still don't know. I think I may die not knowing if Jared Leto is a good actor, but he's a profound presence. Obviously, Bill Murray, who was nominated for best a or best supporting actor in a comedy or musical just elite it looked like

he was in hawaii but also with the chicago skyline behind him oh i thought that was here i thought that he was in like the hollywood hills right around where gosh what's the um where the afi center is where it meets franklin what's that um where Los, Los Feliz Boulevard and, and Franklin meet like the Hills right above there. I think, I thought he was at a house there with the skyline behind him at an angle. That's where I would place him. Not that I'm stalking Bill Murray. That was really alarming. But that was just the location that I guessed in a Hawaiian suit, in a Hawaiian shirt with a martini. Yeah, he was living the life I think that we all want. We all just want to live seaside.

I would never wear a Hawaiian shirt if I'm being honest, but that's really not my, can't do that many patterns. That's just overwhelming. But otherwise, he crushed it. There were a couple of people who I think had unusually normal settings. Jason Sudeikis famously, I think, was wearing a gigantic Chicago man mustache. He looked like one of the Bears guys and also was wearing a white hoodie. Tie-dye. No, it was tie-dye.

Oh, tie-dye. Trust me, it was tie-dye. The Jason Sudeikis energy is something i'll be parsing for the rest of my life i immediately texted chris ryan and i was just like did you see this when will you be doing this character like how can we keep this going wishes he could get in there like that i know um but that is that was big stuff that was really enjoyable jeff daniels um true mich dad energy, I would say. In the fourth bedroom, which has been converted into an office that seemed to have three closets.

And he was wearing a flannel shirt. Shout out to him. I just, I really admire him as an actor and as a man. I believe it was Carhartt. And that he, because he tweeted later, thank you to the Golden Globes for fulfilling my dream of accepting an award in Carhartt. So one more thing we can only get at a Zoom award show. Colin Farrell, by far the creepiest appearance, I would say. Why was he presenting the father?

Why? I don't know. Maybe he just wanted to honor Anthony Hopkins, perhaps an acting hero of his. You know, so typically when they introduce the the films that are in best musical or comedy and and best drama they show a short clip package you know a kind of a highlight reel of the film and before they do that they have a famous actor or actress or you know famous admirer of the movie introduce the movie unless of course we're talking about uh sia's music in which they could not find a single living soul who has seen the movie besides kate hudson who

starred in it so she introduced music nevertheless colin farrell introduced the father and uh in his room which also honestly just kind of seemed like a murder room like these famous people have murder rooms i don't know but in his murder room was a globe which is is nice i own a globe i think it's nice that's an aspirational thing to own in your home i do i do it's. It's kind of small. I'll show it to you when I find it. And look, he had a set of bongos on the couch. Did you pick up on that? Yeah, I did. Just one.

It was like cut off, but you could see it. A bongo? Yeah. Lone bongo? You know, the rest of the set was implied. You play the bongos? No. Would you try?

I mean, sure. Would you try on this podcast? Sure. Why not? We're going to run out of things and movies to talk about at some point. It's true. Were there any other Zoom backgrounds that you liked

or thought maybe reeked of murder? Well, a lot of them were the same. I do want to talk about the hotel room slash Airbnb Zoom trend, which was predominant. I would say 80% of the nominees that you saw tonight were in a, like a third location, you know, not their home, not where they've been quarantining and they were all staged a certain way. And they had the lighting

and like some were more like Instagram photo ops staged. And some were more just kind of, you know, generic Airbnb staged. But like, I understand why people are going to do that, especially if you're going to have production crew coming in and maybe it eases some of the setups. So you don't have to like have a bunch of people in your home in a pandemic. But, you know, I appreciate the people with some personality. Like I appreciate Peter Morgan who made the crown and won for the

crown. Shout out to my favorite show. Um, as you texted me from his home office in London at like 2 AM with his giant printer, like center stage behind him and the printer, like you texted me about the printer, but it was also the first thing I saw. It was the only thing that you could focus on. It was a giant printer. And then like a tony blair biography like in on the desk behind him and i like what else do we have to get excited about right now but these weird details so thank you to the people who give us the weird details yeah thank you to the hfpa for allowing me to see peter morgan's printer that was one of the only kind acts they've ever had printer it's a really nice printer. It's a laser printer. Was it? Yeah. I don't know. Do you have a printer at home? No. We do. We do. But Zach has it. And I actually am wired so that I can print from my computer. But it means that

I get to disrupt Zach all the time. I can just print and then it's going in his office. This has already been a much weirder podcast than I was expecting. Any other Zoom background highlights for you? I think as we got further along in the show, they were more sort of tasteful. Like I just saw Don Cheadle and his wife and they just seemed to be living in a nice home together. You know, unfussy, uncomplicated. They just seem to be cozy. When we first started, though, like I said, I thought that everyone was in some sort of challenge to see who can look more like they rented out the lobby of a boutique hotel in West Hollywood.

Like where Aaron Sorkin was, like if that's his home with like his giant white marble bar and like two guitars prominently displayed, that was overwhelming. I don't think that was his home. I think that was like a weird Airbnb in West Hollywood, as you noted. I do like it when people have their families. I like it when there are other people there. I think that it adds to the texture. You can overdo it though. I would say, did you notice at some point Kate Hudson just invited, I mean, Kurt Russell was there, Goldie Hawn was there, everyone that she's ever been related to was in that trying to distract from the fact that she was in the film music. Where was Wyatt Russell? He's my favorite member of

the Russell family right now. He was not present. I don't know, maybe he didn't want to be associated with distracting people from the film music. Do you think he felt that Sia's film was insensitive as well and so he boycotted Kate Hudson's gathering for her nomination? It was insensitive, so I'm going to respect him for not being in the weird Zoom. They all just showed up too. I'm sure he loves his sister. Let's talk about Tina and Amy really quickly. I think that they had a very difficult challenge here hosting a show like this,

especially since it was revealed to me, at least, I didn't know ahead of time that they would be operating on two different coasts. And so they were not together as they were presenting their jokes and introducing presenters. What did you think of how they did? It's really hard to do that. And I thought that they, like, it was pretty seamless, especially in the beginning. And you and I know we're in different rooms right now and we're trying our best. And then Bobby cleans it up.

But it's really hard. And I thought they were funny. I thought that they, they obviously had a really difficult job. I appreciated that they were just, they were pretty direct about the lack of black members, um, in the HFPA and, and really advocating for that. There was a history of hosts, like making fun of the Hollywood foreign press association. And like, they did that too. Like your workplace being the back booth of a French McDonald's is like really funny. But but they were also like direct and explained why it actually matters.

So I appreciated that. I also appreciated the jokes. I thought the movies versus TV bit was pretty funny. I kind of felt like they were doing our pod in some respects, you know, sort of what is the difference between these two things? And is one better than the other? And in fact, no one knows what anything is. Yeah. I also really liked French Exit

is what I did after watching the first episode of Emily in Paris. Did you watch Emily in Paris? All the episodes, unfortunately. I watched half of them. Not a great show. No, it was nominated. It walked home empty handed tonight.

Let's talk about some of the winners. So best speeches, the people who get to speak are people who get awards for the most part at these award shows. So we mentioned Lee Isaac Chung, his win for Minari, which was of course somewhat fraught and complicated because Minari was not recognized in any other category because it was deemed to be a foreign language film. And so given the Golden Globes rules, it could only compete in

that one category. We just played this game last year with Parasite. We're doing it all over again for another film about a Korean family. Nevertheless, Lee Ah-Sik Chung was on TV accepting an award with his daughter. And what he said was beautiful and what she said was beautiful so great moment yeah i already said that i cried and i just what he had to say um at the end about the the language of love and a family and that is what minari is about was both like directly addressing the pretty ridiculous not ridiculous i mean extremely ridiculous and basically entirely stupid rules from the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, but also offering something lovely about his film, which if you have not seen,

like we completely recommend. So that was a great moment. Jane Fonda was granted one of the Lifetime Achievement Awards, the Cecil B. DeMille Award here at the Golden Globes. Jane Fonda, one of the more undefeated people in recent American history. Unreal. Did you like her speech i loved it i i'm a huge jane fonda fan i really recommend her

autobiography on top of all of the other work that she has done i mean like her highlight reel movies are amazing then she goes amazing yeah then she goes to the jane fonda workout which you know extremely important but you learn in the autobiography is to fund all of the work that she did with, my God, what is Eddie Redmayne's character's name in Trial of Chicago 7?

Tom Hayden. Yes. Who she was married to, which they should have made that movie instead, Aaron Sorkin. Maybe you would have won Best Drama.

I don't know. I smell a sequel. Yeah, there we go. The trial of the Jane Fonda 2. Yeah. But, you know, another person who took like the controversy, quote unquote, like head on and just did like a moving tribute to all of the films that she loved this year.

And many of which were not nominated by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association and how art brings people together and can teach people about other things. It was, I mean, Jane Fonda, I'm a fan. Same. I thought what Chadwick Boseman's wife, Taylor Simone Ledward said, the way that she tried to evoke what Chadwick would have said when he won his award for best actor in a drama was also kind of overwhelming. There were a couple of times where even during this stupid award show that is voted on by a bunch of vain, vainglorious people, I was still moved by a couple of the moments. This one in particular, obviously, everyone knew that Chadwick Boseman was going to win this award. He's not only one of the most celebrated actors of his time, but he's also doing his best work in his last role. Still, I think what she did was really impressive given the circumstances. Yeah, absolutely. And really emotional. I mean, she was clearly moved and both communicated the message and what she wanted to say and what she imagined he would have said,

but just also communicated the sense of loss and what he meant to her and to everyone else. And it's overwhelming is a great word. I thought both times Sasha Baron Cohen cropped up were fairly appealing. You know, Sasha Baron Cohen really kind of dancing on the tightrope of very pleased with myself. And he's actually kind of the inverse where I think maybe his shtick doesn't work as well when he's in a Zoom room with just his wife there, you know, sort of laughing and applauding for him. Whereas if he were in the room with an audience, you'd be hearing the laughs. It's like going to see a comedy in a movie theater versus watching it at home alone. Nevertheless, I thought thank you to the all white

at HFPA was one of the funniest things I heard all night. And Sasha, unsurprisingly, pretty dominant tonight here at the Golden Globes. I believe it was Dan Coyce from Slate who pointed out that he had material for two separate categories. He went back to back and he had new jokes, and that's the mark of a professional. Truly, he was prepared. One of the more surprising wins of the night was Jodie Foster's win for Best Supporting Actress in The Mortanian, which is a film that very few people have seen. And during her acceptance speech, which was nice, and she seemed quite excited and moved, she thanked Aaron Rodgers. I thought maybe you could explain to the people out there who maybe don't listen to Jam Session,

why Jodie Foster thanked Aaron Rodgers. This spans a lot of topics of interest. But if you are not caught up, if you've been spending your time more wisely. So Shailene Woodley has a supporting role in the Mauritanian. Can we put aside the fact that Jodie Foster won as the supporting actress, even though she's definitely like lead actress in the Mauritanian, but whatever. And Shailene Woodley is the supporting, but whatever. Shailene Woodley has an even more thankless role in the Mauritanian, but whatever. And Shailene Woodley is the supporting, but whatever. Shailene Woodley has an even more thankless role in the Mauritanian. And Shailene Woodley recently announced that she is engaged to Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.

And this after Aaron Rodgers announced, surprise, I'm engaged while accepting the NFL MVP award via Zoom. Is that correct, Sean? Yes, that's correct. Okay. Yes. So their relationship came as a surprise to pretty much everyone who follows this space, that space being the NFL or Shailene Woodley or Celebrity Whatever. And so Jodie Foster thinks Shailene Woodley, like with everybody else related to the Mauritanian, and then at the very end just threw in Aaron Rodgers.

And I honestly thought, was she joking or was she serious? Who can tell anymore these days? You know, all jokes are tragedy and all tragedies are a joke in 2021. So I have to, I had, I just assumed that Jodie Foster is a huge football fan, but she's been playing with the Packers on Madden for a decade now. And that, you know, she just so happened to get connected to this guy huge football fan but she's been playing with the packers on madden for a decade now and that you know she just so happened to get connected to this guy because her co-star got suddenly and mysteriously and quite frankly confusingly engaged to him which is great one thing you know one of my

favorite movies of 2020 was just watching aaron rogers kick ass in football again he really is one of my favorite athletes to watch play football he is magnificent so if if if he's making jody foster happy that's that's great i'm really i'm proud of them yeah um david fincher didn't win anything at this award show tough which i i can't say we were surprised we didn't think he was going to win anything but he got screen time quite a bit of screen time as i recall i think he was on screen for the best screenplay category. Because his father, Jack, wrote the film Mank. He was on screen for Best Director.

Was he also on screen for Best Drama for Mank? I believe so. And I believe he took a shot every time he lost an award. So literally at the moment when they announced the winner of an award, he took a shot. Now, once again, this is a great reason to hold all award shows at home because we got to watch fincher get shit-faced and whether he was self-pitying self-mocking mocking the institution maybe just having a grand old sunday night i just i also appreciated his energy i thought it was a great bit i think a really underrated Zoom background and Zoom presence from David Fincher, both tonight and if you watched the Ben Affleck-David Fincher conversation, you will recognize the kind of same. He knows where to look and he knows how to frame the camera. He does frame the camera. He frames the Zoom camera. And he is looking in and he's focusing and he's amused when he needs to be amused.

Are we going to talk about the screenplay win? And he seemed earnest when it was like a good time to be earnest. I don't know anything, but it seems like David Fincher respects Chloe Zhao and Nomadland based on just Zoom, which is cool. So I just continue to be a huge David Fincher fan. Let's talk about the screenplay win. This was one of the earlier awards that was given out. It, of course, went to Aaron Sorkin for The Trial of the Chicago 7, which I predicted. And his speech was not great. I would say it was not ideal. I think he pulled a girl dad move. I felt like he kind of talked down a little bit to some of the female nominees by saying that his daughter wants to be like them, which I found slightly patronizing.

And also, it seemed like he didn't know what award he was winning. Yes, he was speaking to the wrong female nominees, which, like, I don't know what he's seeing when he's giving the speech. And it's possible he's not actually seeing the Zoom. And so he, but I believe he thanked Reginaina king who was nominated alongside him and director but um it was screenplay and so it was emerald finnell on the on the zoom and everyone else noticed in the zoom and everyone else started chuckling as he just kind of talked on about like i don't know i believe he was also only it was primarily women was it only women with him in the airbnb viewing room i can't know i believe he was also only it was primarily women was it only women with him in the airbnb viewing room i can't say for certain but i can't i can't either honestly

but i think yeah i am a huge fan of aaron sorkin's past work and this wasn't his best speech writing he's written a lot of great speeches in his day and this wasn't it. How about that? That's very true. Let's talk about the predictions that we did earlier this week. Not great. Not great, Bob. You got eight out of 14 correct. Mm-hmm. I got nine out of 14 correct. Okay.

That is not good, I would say. Yeah. We also got best drama wrong and you got best comedy or musical wrong so that's not a good showing for uh team big picture i gotta say okay i think if bobby threw darts at a dartboard full of faces he probably could have done better than we did but the globes are weird i don't know the what the the big race here that really threw me for a loop is Best Actress forthcoming at the Oscars because we had two winners in the two Best Actress categories that I was a little bit confounded by. You guessed one of these. Which one did you guess?

I guessed Rosamund Pike for I Care A Lot, which is a film that I do not care for at all. But she seems like kind of like a globesy pick she's been nominated a bunch before she was really leaning into the instagram of her whole movie with her setup tonight i mean i really liked her molly goddard dress and that was like the high point when she started like flipping it around you know in full floof yeah which. Which is, I mean, that's, that's useful. Cause how else are you going to convey enthusiasm by zoom? But yeah, I don't know. It seems like the kind of a person you like in a nonsense movie.

That's popular. Seems like a globe's no brainer. So you just, you turned a pun on the, I care a lot title and Rosen Rosamund Pike did the same thing in her acceptance speech. And I've been noticing a lot of people on Twitter and on Letterboxd are having fun with that title. Is the movie called that just so that people can pawn on the title?

Is that a secret hack into relevance? Because I just don't think that movie is very good. And I'm kind of confused by this whole wave of I care a lot mania. And I do think it's like 11% people want to make a joke about the title. I think the title is just one more way in that it's memeable. It's the Bob. It's all of the Instagram stuff. It's the jokes. I don't really think anyone who is engaging in the movie thinks that it's... Well, maybe they do think it's great art and I don't know what to say about that. But yes, I think you're right that the title and the jokiness contributes to its success.

I was surprised to not see Maria Bakalova win in that category that Rosamund Pike won. And then the real twist, I would say probably the biggest twist of the night, was best performance by an actress in a drama. You chose Carey Mulligan. I chose Frances McDormand. I didn't really feel very good about my pick. I don't know how confident you were in yours. But I don't know a single person who picked Andra Day for the United States versus

Billie Holiday. I didn't see a single person predict that. So I don't know what that means for the Oscars. It seemed like this category was actually in a pretty tight place in terms of what direction it was going. And now maybe not. Yeah. But the interesting thing is that it seemed like there were four spots that were pretty locked up which are carrie mulligan francis mcdormand viola davis and who's vanessa kirby and vanessa kirby of course um maybe maybe that's what happens maybe it's maybe vanessa kirby doesn't get nominated and rosamund pike and andre day slip in rosamund pike feels like over like a real globes we've got an extra category here and we like this person thing that doesn't transfer

to the oscars so but i could see andre day being the fifth person now the thing is is that both of these films are brand new the united states versus billy holiday debuted on hulu this weekend and i care a lot premiered on on Netflix the weekend before that. And so we joke about the Globes, but one of the reasons that we cover it is because when Oscar voters are watching this show and they see Andra Day win, they say to themselves, I should check that movie out. And then they watch it and maybe they fall in love with it. She is terrific in that movie. I think the movie is a bit uneven in general and slips into some of the biopic traps that we talked about earlier this year.

But she's extraordinary and she sings. And that's one of your rules. You want someone to sing when they're portraying a singer. And she sings the songs of Billie Holiday. So that one will be interesting to see if there's any ramifications in the Oscar race. So Nomadland won Best Drama. Which I think you and I both somewhat cynically thought it would be the trial of the Chicago seven.

It seemed like a safe ish globes type pick. Nomadland of course is significantly smaller in terms of, um, I guess just maybe budgetarily, but, the scope of that film is actually quite vast given how much traveling the lead character does, but it's a lyrical movie.

It's a, it's a kind of a, it's at least in spirit a true indie. Were you surprised by the Nomadland win? A little bit. I didn't think that

the Globes would go for it. And I was reflecting right before Nomadland won on the fact that Netflix basically just cleaned up. Especially in the TV categories, it won the Crown, it won Queen's Gambit.

Anya Taylor-Joy won as well. I've seen like Rosamund Pike. I care a lot. That's a Netflix movie. There was, it's, it was really edging in. And I thought, oh, that, that makes sense. Like the, just Netflix of it all will fill the void of 2020

and carry it to victory. So I, I think it's good news for Nomadland. I don't know if it means that Nomadland is a lock, but I think it probably means that trial of Chicago seven is out of the running. Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's very hard to say. I think words, I'm sure, you know, Ben Zosmer, the, uh, Oscar stats guy, he's somebody who follows the awards race very closely. Um, and does a kind of oscar metrics and is also a front office guy for the new york mets he pointed out that um in each of

the last 10 years the film that won in the best musical or comedy category went on to be nominated for an academy award the winner of that category of course was borat 2 borat 2 is not on a lot of people's short lists for best picture so it'll be interesting to see if that changes too, given the circumstances and the amount of exposure that that film got with. Sasha's win and the win for that film. So there's definitely going to be some ramifications here. Let me just ask you,

before we get into some listener questions, a broad question. Having seen this award show, do you feel like award season is maybe a little bit bigger than it was a day ago, a month ago, three months ago?

Or does it still feel like it's happening in this weird vacuum bubble? I think it's both. I think it's bigger than it was yesterday because at least I got to text like four of my friends

about various things. And like one of my close friends various things. And like one of my close friends who doesn't follow movies and doesn't listen to this podcast will inevitably text me this week being like, what's Nomadland? Should I watch it? And I will say yes. So, you know, in that sense, it's a bit broader just because there's a platform. I definitely also texted friends of ours who normally watch this stuff who just weren't watching. And it does feel like you know even Nomadland winning I think that's a movie you and I both really like but as you said it's a smaller

movie not in like its landscapes or even in its themes I think its themes are like really hefty but just it's an it's an indie it's quiet you gotta you gotta look at the tv and not at your phone and it and it's newer and not as many people have seen it. So I don't think that this just suddenly... I don't think the Golden Globes grabbed the world and got its full attention tonight. Yeah, I don't think ratings are necessarily that important. But they'll be notable in this case

if they've been averaging about 20 million viewers over the course of the last decade. It feels like a lot of people were not watching tonight and so we'll probably find that out tomorrow morning get groceries delivered across the gta from real canadian superstore with pc express shop online for super prices and super savings try it today and get up to 75 dollars in pc optimum points visit superstore.ca to get started. Shall we go to some listener questions? Bobby, do you want to read some questions for us?

Yes. We already covered kind of the best Zoom, best and worst Zoom backgrounds, I guess. Andrew Gratadero already has a piece up on the ringer about that, so go check that out. Andrew pointed out that Trent Reznor also had a really dope Zoom background, which he did.

Trent Reznor is great. He and Atticus Ross had the same background, which led me to believe that that was pre-taped. Hmm. Yeah, I thought it felt pre-taped to me, too. They felt like they were in a studio, too. They sound a little better than everybody else. Yeah. I don't have any knowledge.

That's just me like using my powers of observation but do you so how do you let's just break that down very quickly okay because this is a this is new territory right so presumably he was not alerted to the fact that he was going to win beforehand so does that mean that he recorded an acceptance speech sent it to the golden globes to nbc and if I win, run this? Well, I think they both would have had to because not only are they in the same place, but Atticus Ross says, I'd like to thank everyone who

was just thanked. So they're building on each other. But his was a throw, and Trent's was a throw from John Batiste. But not only that, they would have had to record two separate ones because they were nominated twice. So they would have had to record two separate winner speeches for different films. We need to, we need an investigation into this. This is huge. Someone can sleuth about this. For the record, Trent Reznor is one of the most

talented recording artists of the last quarter century. It's entirely possible that he just had a good setup for his Zoom situation, right? Yeah. That's plausible. Yeah. But it's not like he and Atticus Ross were in the same frame. They had the exact same background but they were in completely different frames and it was like a very quick throw so unless it was like you know that like i don't know like the camera sliding down like maybe they were quarantining together and they're in separate rooms like separate ends of the same studio? Are you guys willing to do that? Quarantine together, get in the same studio? Absolutely not.

As Amanda pointed out, quarantine has been an awesome opportunity to never see Amanda again. So except for five times a week on a Zoom meeting sent on this podcast. So maybe we should do the Oscars pod back to back, outdoors at night in like 50 degree weather. What do you think? Back to back? Yeah. Okay, sure. Like a screenwriting couple yeah i got it kerry grant and rosalyn russell great okay okay uh okay what's the next question bob not even a question reed wants you guys to take a shot are you are you willing to take a shot for i just moved and all my booze

is in boxes i don't have access to any alcohol. It's like in the other room. It's also, it's a school night, man. It's true. I have a 9am Bobby, Jesus. Guitar dude, is music the worst movie ever nominated? I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of the Golden Globes off the top of my head. I would say at the moment of its release or at the moment of its nomination, it's one of the least seen films. There's no conversation about this movie. There's no

energy other than it was deemed to be problematic before it was released and then it was recognized by the HFPA. And that's it. That's all anyone's ever going to know about it. I also don't have a categorical, like I don't like to speak categorically if I don't know the answer, but I do think, I can't remember another movie where it was not just like DOA among film Twitter or people who see movies, but like at the Globes, like the Globes clearly barely wanted anything to do with it. And Kate Hudson was like the only person who would introduce it. And it was was just it was very clear that it was going nowhere so that's interesting at least I'm just looking at some lists of the worst Globes nominees ever even the ones that are bad are sort of like you kind of get it remember

that movie Bobby that Emilio Estevez directed about the final hours before RFK's assassination it was like star-studded but quite mediocre. And that was nominated for best drama. Cause it seemed like a movie that should be nominated for a globe. Music doesn't even really fall into that category. I don't know. We could do a remake of that movie where it's just me editing this podcast later tonight. Uh,

and then you're assassinated at the end of it. Great. Tough, tough beat for me. Grace wants to know thoughts on Ben Stiller's hair. I was curious about the purple undertones so do we think that that was the lights no i'm serious i'm glad that grace noticed it because i did too do you think that was the lights dude did he actually turn off your motion smoothing purple undertones yeah it was a serious accusation that amanda has motion smoothing on i do i don't but maybe other people on this zoom do

not naming any names but yeah and tom cruise's world no i i all i saw was gray hair i thought it looked great okay it's good to see ben enjoy ben stiller's work he's taking a step back from the uh the acting of late which is why he wasn't on the 35 over 35 list which you know let's just follow up on that really quickly just just sterling reviews on that one. You know, probably our most beloved podcast ever. Everyone agreed with us 100%. I want to thank everyone for listening and sharing your kind, warm feedback. I know we got it right again. Thank you so much. Okay. What's next? Casey wants to know if you are an Oscars producer watching the Golden Globes tonight,

what are your biggest takeaways, good and bad, for planning the April ceremony? So I am Steven Soderbergh. Wow. So that's actually quite weird because it's not like you get to be with Steven Soderbergh,

your beloved. You become him. You know, you get a freaky Friday with him. Right. No, I know. That's intense. It honestly seems like something he would love to explore in film. Okay.

So I'm Steven Soderbergh. And what I'm going to do is insert myself into the whatever rom-com Julia Roberts and George Clooney are making and decide to direct it myself because I just would like that to happen. And then I'm worried about the Oscars. Here are my lessons. Number one, just like make sure that all the internets work, just like make the tech work.

And also secondarily to that, help the nominees understand how the tech works. Like it was very clear tonight that no one at any point said to these people, okay, so when your name is called, we're going to cut to you and then you can start talking. They also didn't speak to whoever was doing the sound to say, okay, once the person starts talking, turn off the music. Maybe you want to build in some lag time. Maybe that's another production thing we could do. These are small goals, but you got to start

small. And that's how you become great like Steven Soderbergh. If I'm Steven Soderbergh, first thing I'm doing is I'm calling up Joaquin Phoenix and I'm getting him to introduce every single award. He is presenting every award for the night because the economy and the energy that he brought to this show was outstanding. He was wearing what looked like a pair of sockanies and a hoodie over a... Oh, I thought they were Chuck Taylors. Were they talking to me?

They're Chuck Taylors, but like over like a caterer's uniform. And he couldn't have been less interested in the pleasantries. He was just like, here are the people. Here's who won. Let's get out of here. But imagine that 30 times in a row at the Oscars,

that would be an efficient show. Plus we'd get a lot of Joaquin. Who doesn't want more Joaquin? So this is why you are not both the producer of the Oscars or like a person with a lot of friends because that is sociopathic, okay? Let me assure you that that is not why.

There are a lot of reasons why I am not the producer of the Oscars or a person with a lot of friends. It has nothing to do with my opinions about Joaquin Phoenix. It's not about Joaquin Phoenix, a person who I like very much. But it's about, let's cut all the fun out. Let's cut out any human interaction or sense of fun

and then make an awards show. Like, that's not how you do awards shows, Sean. There's work to be done, Amanda. Keep that in mind. We got to give up these awards. And less fun. The Sean Fantasy Show. Okay, what's next, Bobby?

Daniel, on a level of 1 to 10, how would you rate Jason Sudeikis' dad going through a divorce energy? Amanda, you got to give the background. 85 to 3,000. Like, God bless. And let me tell you. Explain this. Explain the background. Because you know something that many of our listeners probably don't know that I certainly didn't know about this.

Well, so Jason Sudeikis is going through not technically a divorce because they were engaged, but never legally married, but a separation with his longtime partner, Olivia Wilde, with whom he has two children. Perhaps you've seen photos of Olivia Wilde entering and exiting Harry Styles' home because that's what's been happening. So the timeline there has been a bit murky. And if you read the tabloids in a certain way, people are leaking different things, trying to place some blame. And I don't really know what's going on. But the most recent tabloid report that I read is that Jason Stekas is currently in London filming season two of Ted Lasso. So keep in mind that all of that energy was like 2, 3 a.m. just to add to the texture.

But the report said that Olivia Wilde and their children were living with Jason Stekas so that they could all see the kids during quarantine and during lockdown and COVID, which is very nice. And as a child of divorce, shout out to parents who are willing to do that for their kids. On the other side, can you imagine how awkward that is? We actually tried one holiday this way and like my family, and it was awful. And I appreciate everyone trying, but just that is what is possibly going on at 2 a.m. while Jason Sudeikis is wearing a tie-dye hoodie and possibly having consumed some things. So at the risk of getting a little bit too personal or vulnerable, in my family, when

my parents got divorced, my parents split up, they separated. And then my dad moved back in and they gave it another shot. And I got to say, the moving back in was arguably more traumatic than the divorce. And I don't know anything about Jason Sudeikis and Olivia Wilde. They seem wonderful. I'm sure their child is a wonderful person. It's a weird situation, man. It's a very weird situation.

On the other hand, I'll tell you who I wouldn't want to be right now is Harry Styles. I would not want my girlfriend moving back in with Ted Lasso at this very moment in history because I watched Ted Lasso, delightful television show. Sudeikis has a very strong vibe. That's dangerous stuff. On the other hand, he's Harry Styles. So it's like the one hand and the other. I just, before we move on,

whatever was happening with Jason Sudeikis' speech and like the Tolstoy book that he reads his child. Was that real? Was that made up? I don't, I want to find out, but I also don't want to know because I want to live in a world where it could be real. It was amazing. It's just, I mean, that was just the weirdest free association I've ever seen.

And also like a lovely message to the child and to Tolstoy and to his fellow nominees and actors. So much like music, Tolstoy and to his fellow nominees and actors. So much like music, Tolstoy is important. That's what you would say. Did you know that I've read Anna Karenina? Anyway, it was great. And it was an incredible energy. Chris Ryan had not seen it. Again, I sent it to him immediately. And I just tie dye sweatshirts for everybody. I think upon reflection, he's grown that mustache as Olivia Wilde repellent so that she would not be drawn back into his bubble

because that was quite a mustache on that guy. There's great stuff. I think that's all of our Jason Sudeikis thoughts, Bobby, unless you want us to try to conjure some more. No, over under three and a half people wearing the Jason Sudeikis sweatshirt when we get back to the Ringer offices after the pandemic is over.

You'll be one. Yeah, me? There's at least one. The Ringer's wonderful basketball writer, Paolo Getty, probably number two. Paolo, Chris, who else? I don't know. That's the break of the over under right there.

You need to find a fourth. Could be you, Sean. No, I would never wear a sweatshirt to the office because I'm an adult. Wow. Wow. wow okay well uh like the adult that you are please answer this next question from ryan if thanos had to replace a golden globe nominee slash winner in their respective movie and role who would he replace i am inevitable ryan thank you for asking that question thanks to everyone supporting the the Thanos community out there. I think there's a very clear answer here, which is I care a lot.

Just imagine Thanos in the Rosamund Pike role. Just same film. Film doesn't change at all. It would honestly be better because the energy of Thanos and Peter Dinklage would at least match up. Oh, that would be exciting. Yeah. No shots to Rosamund Pike, but they're just in different movies.

If I had to choose a backup, I would probably say James Corden in The Prom. Okay. I thought I would get a laugh out of that. Jesus, just got blanked. Just imagine Thanos

in The Prom. It couldn't be worse, I guess. I'd rather imagine Thanos hosting The Late Night Show than James Corden hosts. I was actually, when you the late night show I was actually when you were saying that I was imagining Thanos on top of the bus

the double decker bus with Prince Harry okay probably best if we move past Thanos I think George wants to know Rosamund Pike Oscar contender or pretender yeah I mean we touched on this one a little bit certainly feels like it right

would not surprise me to see Rosamund Pike contending again i don't i think gone girl is her only nomination in her career so it's not as if she's been unrecognized um andre day on the other hand the oscars does like an ingenue so it's gonna be it's gonna be tight if it's between those two i think it will go to andre day the rosamund pike thing could totally happen, but to me, it feels like a Golden Globes fluke. Like sometimes they're just weird, you know? I mean, often they're just weird. It's possible. One observation that we made earlier this week when we were talking about the show was

that this year's Best Actress race is kind of funny because Frances McDormand and Viola Davis are heavy favorites, but between them, they have three Oscars. So if there's an attempt, we thought maybe they would reward Carey Mulligan at the Globes and perhaps at the Oscars, but there's room here for a Vanessa Kirby, for an Andra Day, for a Rosamund Pike. So we shall see.

I think she's, I mean, clearly a contender. Two more questions here. Matt wants to know, what percentage of nominees got dressed from the waist down? Pants and shoes. Can I clarify? I know that you didn't plant this question, Bobby.

But I mean, are we talking about, are they like wearing a full outfit that matches? Yeah, I think so. Or are people just like going, you know, mango? No, I don't think he's like going boxers or anything like that, no. I think probably 70 what do you think sean because like this is the thing a lot of people went full glam and a lot of people especially the women they were wearing dresses and i think there's a lot

of people were trying very hard to look good in these managed situations they did by the way i thought everyone looked great but so you're not going to take a chance you know with an errant like i don't know jean short situation on if you're trying to look good i think fincher was definitely wearing capri pants um i think no i mean i'm i'm wearing shorts and right now, which is not something I would ever wear in public ever. But here we are doing a podcast on Zoom. And that's effectively what the nominees were doing. They were doing podcasts. So I think most of the women who were nominated were wearing dresses.

And those that were wearing dresses, of course, were taking care of this. I mean, Sudeikis might have just been porky pigging it. You know, he might have just been likey pigging it. He might have just been bare underneath there. You never know. 70% seems like a reasonable number. What's pants though? Do jeans count? I feel like if you're

wearing a suit up top, jeans, that means you didn't dress up. You didn't dress from the waist down if you're wearing a suit jacket. Amanda, let me ask you a question. When's the last time you wore high heels? You know, I mean, I didn't wear them before we went outside. So I'm trying to think.

So is the answer like 1999? No, I have one pair, but it was definitely like 2019. Wow. Okay. There was some comments about how impressive Amy and Tina's performance was given that they were in heels and they were very likely not wearing heels very often during quarantine. Yeah. I'm wearing orange fuzzy slippers right now. So I'm with

them. What's this last question here? Is this an important one? Is this one that's going to change the course of movie commentary forevermore? No, but we could do one final one after that, which I have not put in the doc yet but this last question that we have here from joe is why do people in the motion picture industry have such terrible webcams and microphones why wouldn't their publicists get them set up with better tech and this is a real throwing a bone to you guys here podcasters dominate celebrities in this category i mean look at this warm glow on amanda dobbins in this in this shot this I mean, look at this warm glow on Amanda Dobbins in this, in this shot. This is unbelievable. This is because I have absolutely no lighting in this room normally,

like no overhead lights, no lamps. And so, uh, because I'm not usually here at nine o'clock at night podcasting. So I asked my husband, I was like, can you solve the lighting for me? And I, it's just like four beautiful land lamps in a in a formation thanks to zach baron um but yeah i this is because we have people who help us and i'm not really sure why the celebrities or really why the golden globes didn't do this again this is the thing like i'm not sure honestly whether people were using their own equipment or whether they were sent a kit and whether it's just because of the number of kits and like the number of streams that it wasn't the quality that we expect. I kind of think it was the latter. I'm genuinely not sure. I mean, as we said, it seemed like Trent Reznor had

a really solid setup there as did his producing partner, Atticus Ross. So another, you know, case for him having done it ahead of time. It's, it's, it's possible. I don't know. Look, technology is hard. And I don't want anybody in my house. So it is what it is. Okay, we'll do one final question because I do think that this one is important, though it is also a joke.

Brian wants to know, how many bedroom doors are too many bedroom doors? Is this a Jeff Daniels question? Yes. Yeah. The man had five doors behind him five doors dr strange in the multiverse of madness you know he's just that was some wild stuff well it was just like there wasn't room for anything else in the room because it was just like a bunch of doors and whatever one piece of furniture and he kind of seemed like crammed in

on the side that That's okay. What do you think usually happens in that room that he was in? You know, just do some Daniels fanfic for me. You know, he's an actor in his 60s. He's got this theater group. He's just off of a long run of Sorkinese on the Great White Way. What's he doing in that room?

Just like checking out Quicken Loans or looking at this. I don't know the Michigan Wolverine score. What's what's he doing? I don't know. It had a real like this is the room that we don't

go into vibes, you know, and like it's just a room. Thank you. OK. Or just like where we put all our stuff. And there's like an extra pool table in there.

Yeah. Yeah. That's all I got. No more questions. I think there's like an extra pool table in there. Yeah. No. Yeah. That's all I got. No more questions. Amanda, it's been a very tumultuous week for the Hollywood foreign press after the report last Sunday.

Very complicated award show executed tonight. Before the show tonight, I saw some people speculating that maybe this is the end of the Golden Globes. That maybe that thing that we suggested earlier

that maybe there could be another award show rising in its stead, could and should happen. Do you think that that's more likely now, having seen this award show? I really have no idea. I think that in terms of, at least they did the bare minimum

of acknowledging the lack of Black members. Although they did not acknowledge any of the other issues that were a part of the LA Times report and are part of the long history of just taking free stuff and using this as a gravy train. There were a couple of jokes about it. So they acknowledged that they had a problem, I guess. They did reward some black winners. Thankfully, I think that would have been really messy if they hadn't. And, you know, I said I had a good time, which in and of itself, it's like, okay, well, the trick worked on me for three hours at the beginning.

I was like, you jokers. And at the end, I was like, all right, maybe some people will watch Nomadland. So I guess it worked for them. But I also do think that this report and this wave of criticism is going to have more traction than past bits of criticism. And I think if, as you suggested, the ratings aren't good. And as we go on in the awards season and, you know, especially if Minari and Judas and the Black Messiah become a part of the Best Picture conversation, which I really hope they will because they're excellent films. And one was not nominated and the other was not eligible in Best Drama, which is, again, ridiculous. So once again, the failures of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association start to be tied to the awards and the things that matter. And then maybe someone does something. But I don't know. It also seems like this was great publicity for all the studios who had films and TV shows. And that's what they want. I couldn't have said it better. I agree with

you completely. I think we don't know. And on the one hand, there could be a reckoning, but more likely, the power stays entrenched. So Amanda, we're done for tonight, but we're going to be back twice more this week. We'll be back on Tuesday with a new episode we're talking about after much anticipation. Promising Young Woman. Which won nothing tonight. It won nothing. So you jinxed it. Likely best picture contender.

And I'm very sorry that I did not have that conversation last week. Nevertheless, we'll be ready to talk about it this week. And then after that, we're going to talk about a slightly more lighthearted situation. Of course, the career of Eddie Murphy, because he's coming back and coming to America. Please stay tuned to The Big Picture for both of those episodes. And thanks as always to Bobby Wagner. And thank you to everyone out there for listening as we jump onto the rocket ship of awards season. It's not quite a rocket ship. It's more like a radio flyer, but we'll hear from you soon.