The Biggest Problem in the Universe: Uncucked - Episode 102

Episode Date: June 29, 2018

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Starting point is 00:00:09 Welcome to the biggest problem in the universe, the show where we discuss every problem in the universe from Omar Gaddafi to spilled coffee. With over 6 million downloads, this is the only show where you decided what should or shouldn't be on the big list and problems like Maddox with me is Dick. Hey, what's up, buddy?
Starting point is 00:00:23 And Sean, our audio engineer. Hello. Welcome back. Deleting with Abandon today. You guys are starting right in on the shit. Deleting security deposits, deleting Maddox's coffee all over his carpet. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:38 I mean, the coffee's still there. if I get a sponge. Two deletions, one stone. All right, guys. Sorry about the coffee, but it is funny. Don't apologize. It makes you look weak. Fuck his coffee.
Starting point is 00:00:54 And fuck his carpet. Sean goes to get water and he goes, you want anything? I'm thinking to myself, yeah, I would like a large iced Americano. That would be really nice. That'd be really good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:04 But guys, moving on. The biggest problem in the universe. From last week was the War on Drugs. Oh, that's good. Hey. There you go. You get a ding and a clap for that, Dick. The audience should get that.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Please give us a thousand dings and claps. No, it's a good problem. And then ducking auto-correct and then the Gallum effect. All came in. I would say the Gallum effect should come above ducking auto-correct. I think it was a little bit too high concept for people. They didn't quite understand it. I mean, the Lord of the Rings was too high concept for people, too.
Starting point is 00:01:36 That's true. That you fucked up. You should have dumbed it down. Yeah. I should have just made it about Lord of the Rings Yeah, you should have. Dip shit, idiot, slow breathing, dullard fans would have eaten that up,
Starting point is 00:01:47 just like Guardians of the Galaxy, that garbage movie. Oh. People still talk to me about that. They think that I'm a huge fan of the movie. Of Guardians the Galaxy? Yeah, people who've not listened. Get out of it. I thought you brought that in satirically. No.
Starting point is 00:02:00 I got a comment. The votes think it was satire. Do they? Yeah, that's why I went down so hard. What was your comment? We need a satire tag. I got a comment from Marco Merdigia. he says here
Starting point is 00:02:10 Hmm? Excuse me? Yeah, there's not enough vowels in this name. There's way too many consonants. But he says, I've dropped acid in college at least twice a week. I'm fine. It was a shit ton of fun. Oh, I guess there you go, Marco.
Starting point is 00:02:23 I guess Marco's fine, everyone. I guess there's no problem. And then someone commented, Edward says, but you're going to have flashbacks for the rest of your life and holes in your brain. Just ask Maddox, the man who has never done a drug in his life, but he read an article so he knows what's up. I don't even think you've read an article about drugs, though. I think all your drug knowledge comes from like dare in the 80,
Starting point is 00:02:43 from like the 5, from like the 30-second bumper at the end of a GI joke cartoon where Sergeant Slaughter comes out and goes, Ashton'll put holes in your brain, kids. The more you know, that's what it sounded like to me. I mean, that's because that's exactly what it is. I got all my knowledge about drugs from cartoons from the 80s, dickheads. And I know one thing for sure drugs are for turkeys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:05 We got a lot of, there was a lot of. voicemail by LSD. Let's hear these rambling dullers pradal on. I mean, okay, I'll just start into it. Before you get into it, but let these guys talk. Come on, you can have an hour to say it. Well, then let them say it. Great. Don't, don't, don't, don't
Starting point is 00:03:21 kill the punchline. You fucking idiot. Okay. Where do you get your information on drugs? I told you. cartoons. Dragnet from the 70s. LSD, particularly one hit of LSD, will never, ever fucking cause.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Maybe if you're fucking eating, I don't know, fucking sheets of it at a time, but no, one-time use of LSD will not cause fucking flashback. Oh, okay. Jesus fucking Christ. And I love all you're saying all this misinformation on bicycle day. 419, the day that LSD was first synthesized by Dr. Albert Hoffman. Oh. It's fucking credible. I knew it.
Starting point is 00:03:59 I knew it. Pissed right on his grave. I don't think that's the only grave you'll be pissing on. Fucking him. Okay. You want to hear another one? I'm not going to believe that guy anymore than I believe you or less. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Look, unless he comes with some published peer-reviewed studies, then like he could be going to, you know, LSDtruth.org. Okay, okay, okay. Well, maybe this guy will convince you then, Sean. Great. Man, Maddox, when you talk about drugs, it's like listening to a creationist talk about evolution. What do you think of that?
Starting point is 00:04:34 I like that analogy. What the fuck? Well, actually... Ayosca is not an opiates. Oh, that's what he's got you on. Well, actually... It's not... ...wholes in your brain and, like, having an acid flashback.
Starting point is 00:04:45 It sounds like you think having an acid flashback is just like you... You instantly think you're on fire. You hop out a window out of a 30-story building splatter all over the fucking ground. That's not the case, man. I know. Or do you?
Starting point is 00:04:58 If you tried acid and weren't a gigantic... We don't know, apparently. We don't know. Just like one little tap acid. You would know what the fucks we're talking about. Yeah. Actually, Matt Ox. All right, you paused for too long. Yeah, I was expecting.
Starting point is 00:05:16 I mean, it's full of them. I know, I know. You want to hear the first five seconds of a couple in a row? I don't want to listen to the whole thing. Yeah, to fuck you, Maddox. Holy fuck, Maddox. If you don't know anything about a subject, just abstain. Like, if you're going to try to argue about how drugs hurt you,
Starting point is 00:05:30 LSD, is that what you're going to go with? LSD. You got heroin. You got cocaine and meth. He's got a point there, don't you think? He was possibly the most harmless drug on the market. I got it. This is more than five seconds. All right, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Go ahead. Yeah, I mean, you did pick LSD over cocaine, the weakest one. Meth, heroin. Look, man, the point that I was trying to make, and you could replace whatever drug that you want to make this point true, because it's still true, regardless if I misspoke about the drug. The point is that some drugs are very dangerous and bad for you. Like alcohol? Like meth. I'm talking about illegal
Starting point is 00:06:05 drugs Like Like the Like math Paxil Like heroin Okay Right like heavy hard drugs
Starting point is 00:06:13 They're bad for you They're not good for you They're not good for you They're not good for you Very few old addicts Right that's the point Now to the point About LSD chewing holes in your brain
Starting point is 00:06:23 Or whatever I looked into it And it sounds like it may be an urban legend There are pictures On the internet Of brains with holes chewed in them but they may be due to other complications of things. The people who are doing drugs.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Can I ask, by a hole, do you mean a physical hole? Yes. Like a brain that has like a Swiss cheese, like quantum leap. There's a physical void in the brain. They are missing a certain type of matter in that brain. You can see it on a CAT scan. Oh, CAT scan. Okay, that's what I thought, because those CAT scan tests are to show you the sections of the brain
Starting point is 00:06:57 that don't have blood in them when you're high. Like if you're thinking logically, you're different parts of your... Like if you're responding to a religious iconography, different parts of your brain light up. If you're responding to, like, logical arguments, different parts of your brain light up. Yeah, it wasn't that. It wasn't that. I believe, then maybe it was an MRI, because it was an old black and white photo you could see clear, dark areas where there was no matter in the brain. But I looked into it, and it turns out, I think, that the people who had that affliction or whatever may have been combining lots of different drugs, may have been an anomaly, may have been a lot of different things.
Starting point is 00:07:30 As for the point about the LST. playing a lot of laser tag. Laser beam shut holes in their brain. That's what I heard. That does complicate it because a lot of people use, you know, multiple drugs recreationally. So it's, they also, you know, for a long time they were trying to study the cancer effects of smoking pot, you know, the carcinogens.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Right. A lot of them smoke cigarettes, too. So it skews the potential results. But your point is the drug is bad. Yeah, well, some drugs are definitely, definitely bad. And they're not, we don't know the full impacts of them. We don't know how to test for them, that sort of thing. of people if it's in their systems.
Starting point is 00:08:05 But to the point of LSD, you can have flashbacks, even by using it once, but it is, it is. I think you're really, I think you're repeating a myth. I linked to the source on the website, so check the source. It is exceedingly rare that that can happen.
Starting point is 00:08:21 But there are people who've died from LSD. There have been complications due to synthetic LSD. There are people who've gone into comas because of LSD. These aren't, and again, these aren't common. But it has happened. It's documented. I linked to it. Okay. I'm not going to disagree with any of that for the sake of time.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Because I brought in this interesting graph that I want you to look at. Okay. I forget where it was. I think someone in the comments, because I said nothing's more dangerous than alcohol. Like that was my overall point was there's a big war on drugs, but alcohol is legal, and it's the worst one. Alcohol and cigarettes are terrible. It's absolutely terrible, both legal, because everyone loves them, and everyone understands them. Like you understand what alcohol and cigarettes do to you, but people don't understand what the other drugs do because they don't do them, right?
Starting point is 00:09:08 Because they don't want to do them. No, but alcohol also has a use outside of just recreationally getting fucked up. Getting chicks fucked up. Is that what you're talking about? That's what I was talking about. Cleaning shit? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:18 No, cooking, cleaning. There's anti-septic. No, what's anti-bacterial properties of alcohol? Lots of legitimate uses for alcohol. What about tobacco? I don't know of any. Probably not. No.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And can you sterilize shit by blowing a menthol on it? I don't think you can do that, right? Okay. Okay. Anyway, someone has done a study about their harmful. Because everyone flipped out. There's like, well, cracks way worse than alcohol. You don't know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Here is a graph. I'm going to post it. I don't know the background of this study. You just, you know, take a study you look at it. You don't agree with it. Whatever. Get rid of it. These are all the drugs linked by their harmfulness
Starting point is 00:09:57 with the user and the people around them. Alcohol towers over the other ones. I believe that. I mean, this doesn't... Because they tend to use it over a longer period of time, like crack can take you down quick. Quick. Meth can take you down really quick.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Yep. I thought the graph was interesting and statistical. In my argument about rights and whatever, I'll probably overlook this very interesting graph that shows alcohol is way more harmful than the other drug. It doesn't have a source here, though. What's the source of this? Oh, I chopped that out of the report.
Starting point is 00:10:28 It's a big report. I don't want to bring in the PDF and scrolls. It's very interesting, though. So number one, according to harm to, harm it causes to users and harm it causes to others, alcohol causes the most harm to others, believe it or not. About two-thirds of the harm it causes is to others as opposed to the user. And I think it is the only drug on this list like that. The next closest is heroin, but heroin causes about almost 50-50 harm to users and harm to others.
Starting point is 00:10:58 and way off the charts is methamphetamine, which causes the most harm to users and hardly any harm to others. Yeah. And then mushrooms. Mushrooms causes all harm to users, but it's really low on the scale. Very low.
Starting point is 00:11:10 It's with LSD at the very end. I mean, I tried mushrooms. But, you know, to the point of like people saying, hey, Maddox, you've never done drugs, so you can't comment. It's like, guys, I've never had a broken arm, but I can comment on broken arms. I've never had, I've never had.
Starting point is 00:11:25 What do you mean? There's certain things you have to experience. I think to talk about them. No. You know, there are no certain things, but not, that's probably not one of them.
Starting point is 00:11:34 If there's enough studies, peer reviewed, repeatable, all that kind of stuff. Sure. What about spilling coffees? Do you think you have to do that in order to comment on it? Because I haven't done that.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I have no idea what it's like to spill someone's coffee. It helps because you don't understand the inner turmoil that causes unless you've actually done it. Oh, man. Now, that would cause inner turmoil except it was too Maddox,
Starting point is 00:11:54 so I really feel good about myself. No, you don't. Fuck you feel like a dick. Yeah, what a big old dickhead. Anyway, I got a comment here from Leo Lombardoz. Now, I want to say two things here. I want to comment, I'll mention his comment here.
Starting point is 00:12:08 It gets interrupted before his comment. Let's hear it. I want to comment about what he said here, and I also want to comment on the whole drug war problem because I thought it was fascinating. I did more research after the episode. But Leo says, black people are statistically less likely to do drugs and are more likely to be arrested for doing drugs.
Starting point is 00:12:24 And then he says, arrested for doing drugs or arrested for dealing drugs. Now, that's a point, I feel like... By both. Yeah, both, of course. Of course both. But it turns out that white people are still arrested more. They make up more a higher percentage of dealers than black people.
Starting point is 00:12:42 White people... By straight numbers. But here's the percentages. Or percentages. Well, here's the percentages. White is 48% blacks, 45%. So still by percentage. But blacks, for representing only 15% of the population that is overrepresented in
Starting point is 00:12:58 the percentage of drug dealers. And again, the reason there could be that they are arrested, they're incarcerated at a 10 times higher rate than whites. But then on to the point about the war on drugs, Dick, I think that we kind of glossed over this, but without doing real, real justice to this. But the drug epidemic, the war on drugs really, it was kicked off with Nixon and went into high gear with Reagan. Reagan passed the Drug Abuse Act, right? And And this drug abuse act, I had no idea was so nefarious because what it did is it created a crime, created a penalty for having crack cocaine as opposed to what's the other, the more pure form? Cocaine. Cocaine.
Starting point is 00:13:41 No, it's not more pure. It's just in different form. It's a powder. Powder. Okay. Crack is solid. Cocaine is powder. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:46 And who's more likely to do crack? Well, I mean, I know you can make this a race thing. Like, obviously, black people have cracked more. Yeah, it's true. But it's also crack is more affordable. Oh, that sounds racist. Yeah, it could be. I mean, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:14:01 I mean, that's what the Nixon aide essentially said the war on drugs was, uh, was racially motivated for. Absolutely. Yeah. And that, that could be an addition to that because crack is, uh, lower income drug. And then cocaine is the higher income version of that. And the penalty for cocaine is much smaller for 500 grams of cocaine, uh, is the penalty is the same for even having, I think, five grams of crack.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Look, I get rid of all the penalties is my, my, motto you know this. Yeah. I agree with what you're saying might be true, but it's also a hell of a lot easier to sell crack than it is cocaine. Like, you know, I don't want to make it a whole that a racist thing because I don't know if that's true. Wait, why is that?
Starting point is 00:14:40 Because it's solid. Oh. Like, you want to rock? Here you go. Here you go. What am I going to carry a bag of flour home? Buying enough cocaine? What are you kidding?
Starting point is 00:14:47 It's not as easy. It's very easy to separate crack. I found a dime bag of cocaine in my neighborhood. No joke. How did you know? I didn't know. I was with a friend who pointed it out. I carry my flour around in dime bags all the time.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Oh, do you? Just to trick cops. So they'll look stupid. When I get arrested and they'll test it. I know this is... Motherfucker, it's flour. All right, let's go Masterson. Out of that slammer.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Put your pants back on. Can we move on to something else, please? A lot of people took offense to some inaccuracies you had last week regarding Pokemon. What did? Here, here, here, here, here. These fucking nerds. Hey, Maddox. We just going to let you know that Giodo evolves into Graveller.
Starting point is 00:15:27 I know, idiot. I mean, Graveller evolves into Golo. No shit, shit, it's the final form shithead. Uh, Madhugs. Or, you know, like, the internet. You have, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:38 the DS version. The point is, is that you're a tremendous fucking pokey casual on you know, or, yeah. A pokey casual. He's mad because you missed the intermediary. Yeah, I skipped,
Starting point is 00:15:51 I skipped a step because it's a fucking podcast, shithead. It's a radio program where not everyone knows what the fuck Pokemon is. It's a throwaway joke that was a sentence, you fucking nerds. You ruin
Starting point is 00:16:01 everything. You got to show your work, man. It's common core jokes on this show. You got to show how you got there. All right, Dick. Anything else? Graveller, leaving Graveller out now. No, no, no, no. Go ahead. All right. Let's move on, guys. This is the problem I brought in. Did I mention that my man took offense
Starting point is 00:16:15 to your LSD thing, too? Oh, I'm sure. That, like, 10 minutes after the episode launched, I get a text from my man saying, what the fuck? Sending me all this info on LSD? I haven't heard from this this guy forever. You know, you haven't mentioned your man and like 40 episodes.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I don't know. I don't want to say on it. I'm just saying that he, boom, that's what he cares about. Look, but the argument that it hasn't happened to me is idiotic. What do you mean? Like, hey, like, I've taken acid and like nothing's ever happened to me. That's a stupid argument. Yeah, it's a gambler's fallacy. Hey, I drove down the street without a seatbelt. I didn't get in a wreck. Good job, shithead. You got you lucked out, I guess.
Starting point is 00:16:51 But, uh... Fuck, I had a neurotic story, but we spent so much time talking about LSD. I'll play it next week. We're still pretty early. You want to do it? No, no, no, no. Go ahead. Look, guys, you know, those obnoxious dudes who, all throughout high school, I had these friends who were huge stoners, and they'd always pull you aside, like, you know, tell you the real talk about, you know, they're stoner proselytizers, they're stoner preachers, they're marijuana preachers, and they're always telling you, hey, man, actually, it's not true. You know, the, uh, uh, refer madness documentary is a big propaganda piece and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And here's the thing, I get it. I believe you,
Starting point is 00:17:26 just I don't just go away. I don't care. I just don't care. And because I shit on so many drugs and so many different groups, now I'm hearing from all of them. Yeah, that's what you deserve. Yeah. That's what you get, man?
Starting point is 00:17:36 This is the hell I've created. I mean, what else do they have to do all day? Nothing, apparently, except Colin his fucking podcast and leave comments, shady comments. Guys, this was the problem I brought in last week. We didn't have time for it, but my problem, my biggest problem in the universe this week is helicopter parents. Yeah, helicopter parents.
Starting point is 00:17:55 I wish you had that coffee back so I could spit all of it out of my mouth right now. You're bringing in, you're criticizing parents. Yeah, why not? Because one of your problems was people with no kids criticizing parents. No, no time, no child parent advice. That was the problem. Let's hear it. I'm not giving parenting advice.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Okay. These are other parents who've given parenting advice. Look, let's define the terms here. First of all, helicopter parent was first used in Dr. Hame, Genaut's 1969 book, Parents and Teenagers by teens who said their parents. Man, the sentence is written so. I know it's... Wow.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Anyway, it's basically parents who hover around them like helicopters. The term became popular enough to become a dictionary entry in 2011. They're basically parents who hover around you all the time. Now, what could possibly be the harm in that? Well, the kid never experiences anything for themselves. They're like kept safe, right. Sean, fucking right on the nose. That's exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:18:53 is. A reason parents become helicopter parents is because a lot of times they're just afraid. They have fear of dire consequences. These are the reasons according to parents.com. They have fear of dire consequences, low grades, not making the team, not getting a job. Their parents want their children to get. I mean, think about that. Your parents are basically projecting their fears onto you. They want you to be exactly what they expect you to be. And that's why they hover around you and micromanage everything in your life. Okay, so let me just drop this in on here. I don't want to hijack your problem, but I feel like you need some,
Starting point is 00:19:29 you need some kind of emotional connection here. Like, that's not, that's not the whole story. Projecting your fears onto the kids. Yeah. It's, you got, you got these little, I have two nephews now. The one, the little one just started walking around. So now he's a terrorist. Wait, you got a new one?
Starting point is 00:19:48 Yes. Now he's a year old. Oh. I'm a year ago. Don't worry about it. I don't expect those kinds of things here. I didn't get a fucking card. No.
Starting point is 00:19:58 So now that he's walking around, he's joining his older brother and being a little terrorist. It's, there's a lot more to it than projecting fears onto them, I think. But why? Well, they're not doing it intentionally. I'm not done with this list. There are other reasons people become helicopter parents. feelings of anxiety, worries about the economy, job market, relationship prospects. These are projected onto the child.
Starting point is 00:20:28 And these aren't my words. This is from parents.com. Overcompensation. Adults who felt unloved or neglected as a child start to overcompensate with their own children. And it sometimes creeps into adulthood. Helicopter parents think that because they pay the bills, they're entitled to know what's going on at all times with their adult children as well. And, you know, it goes on. There's an example from psychology today.
Starting point is 00:20:49 But what do you say about that, dick? Those are the three main reasons that parents.com lists that parents become helicopter parents. I think that's a weird way of looking at it. Like, I guess it makes me wonder what is a helicopter parent? Like, those are all bad things. You could say? Well, there are people who are way too over-involved, over-protective, you know, over-nosey in their children's lives. And they also make the child.
Starting point is 00:21:17 It's hard to say where to stop. though? Like, do you have any experience with kids? Do I? To that degree? Like, at any age? What do you mean? Have I, I've never had a kid, so no. Do you, but are you around them at all? I've been around kids, yeah. Like, you know, kids that you care about.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Yeah. Kids that are important to you. Yeah, there's been, there have been kids that I've cared about. Okay. I think there's been kids that you've tolerated. Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. I don't say that this isn't a problem. Uh-oh. What do you mean? Uh-oh. I feel, I feel like you're about to tell me something.
Starting point is 00:21:49 that's going to make me think you're a helicopter parent. Oh, no, I can just easily understand how, like, the frog boils slowly, right? Like, you have to watch over them so carefully that, like, letting them go in stages. Like, imagine it, like, a target. Like, you're shooting an arrow at a target or a taser, in your case, at a target. The bull's eye is, like, that's where you start with them. You're hovering over them all the time. But as they grow up, like, making the target bigger, giving them more room.
Starting point is 00:22:19 to go fuck up on their own. I imagine it's very difficult. Like, it's very difficult for me as an uncle to do that. Like, when I see the kids fucking around and doing something maybe a little dangerous or kind of being assholes, I'm like, man, every instinct in me is wanting to get up to correct this behavior, but you got to just let them. First of all, they're not their parents, so it's none of my business. But that's not true all the time.
Starting point is 00:22:43 But you also, it's very difficult to let them go out and fuck up on their own. Now, I'm sure you're talking about extreme cases on this article, but I don't know. That's just my opinion on it. Having been around kids. Yeah, no, I mean, I've been around kids, but I think that fundamentally, I believe in the philosophy that I was raised with, which is let them fuck up and hurt themselves sometimes. Look how well he turned out. Yeah. That's very simplistic to say let them fuck up.
Starting point is 00:23:11 So, like, let me give you an example. You've got, let's say a small child, and they're plenty of. playing with their cousins or their friends. And you notice that your kids being a little too aggressive and not sharing. Right. Like deciding when you intervene on that is not answered by your let them hurt themselves principle. No, but that's not an example of where helicopter parenting would even come into play. Oh, but it is.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Because you could get in there every time you perceive them being selfish or maybe shoving too much with it. You could swoop in there and grab them and reprimand them. Like, you can control everything that they do. But I don't think that's good. I think that's what you're bringing in. That's not good. But there's definitely, you know, it's a gray area. Well, here's what it says.
Starting point is 00:23:57 According to psychology today, it said that costs are so great, because this is, again, talking about parents who feel like they own their children because they pay the bills, costs are so great that schooling is an investment, their adult children, rather. Schooling is an investment, and as if some magical amount of money trips a switch in their brain that says it's okay for them to rob their kids of any degree of self-sufficiency.
Starting point is 00:24:18 The researchers find the inappropriate anxiety-driven parenting tactics not only compromise the child's autonomy, mastery, and personal growth, they often reflect a critical attitude by parents who praise their children when they do well but withdraw affection subtly or overtly when they don't bring home that A. It's known in the psych biz as parental conditional regard. So if you don't fulfill their expectations they have for you, they will will withdraw their affection from you. Yeah. That's incredibly psychologically damaging.
Starting point is 00:24:48 And there's an article on KSL.com. It talks about how bad helicopter parenting can be. It says here that award-winning journalist and author David Kushner wrote a book about it. He says, Kushner's own theory is that things start to change after what he called a perfect storm for fostering the sphere, like where helicopter parenting came from. Because it wasn't a phenomenon until the mid to late 80s, and it's been a problem ever since. It says first six-year-old Eaton Pats disappeared in 1979 while walking to school in New York City's Soho District.
Starting point is 00:25:22 I think because it was such a mystery and because it was so captivating that it really penetrated the world of the media, which was in New York, said Kushner. It became a drama and not to be crass, but it sold newspapers. So this story, I guess, from 1979 of a kid being kidnapped, I guess was the O.J. Simpson story of the time. And all these parents started worrying about it. And, I mean, statistically speaking,
Starting point is 00:25:43 If your kid gets lost and runs into a stranger on the street, they're probably going to be okay. The crime rate across the board is something like 0.3 per capita, 0.4 per capita. It's ridiculously low. And most kids are abducted by someone they know. I believe. That doesn't make the fear less, Sean. No, it doesn't. But same thing with the media, like you're talking about, every parent out there thinks that there's a fair likelihood that their kid may get abducted if they're playing in the front yard. Yeah, and I'm with, I've shared the philosophy of, I think Louis C.K. said this, but your kids just not that attractive. Like, I'm, I'm, most kids just aren't that attractive. They're not hot enough to molest. Your kid, your kid, your kid is fucking ugly. But no, but here's the thing. I just, I really disagree with the way this conversation is going. I really strongly disagree with it. So, child, child, child, uh, children are in danger, in my opinion. Like, so, so many kids are abused. and molested. So many.
Starting point is 00:26:43 No, they're not. No, they're not. It's a minority. It's a very, very small minority. Well, but again, you think a small minority is 2%. Yeah. That's an incredible amount of abuse. By definition, that's a minority.
Starting point is 00:26:55 No, shit, it's a minority, but it's not a scoffable minority. Like, it's not a mathematical minority only. It's not a moral minority. Well, no one's saying that. You are by trivializing it. No, no, no. I'm not saying, look, I'm not, I think it's trivializing. First of all, it's causing more damage than good by fear mongering the statistic that 2% or 1% or whatever.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I'm just saying all across the board. I'm saying all across the board per capita. Per capita means one for the number of people per 100,000, right? So per capita, the likelihood of you experiencing a crime when you go out into the world. In the United States, on average, is like less than one. But you're saying experience a crime. That means assault. That means rape.
Starting point is 00:27:39 That means murder. that means burglary, like any kind of crime, it's less than one. The amount of reported crimes against children is so astronomically low. Like, go ahead. Sure, sure. I don't care if it's like a million to one if you're the one. Guys, of course, look, child molestation and child abuse is one of the most heinous crimes. Way higher than a million to one. Oh, no, I know the odds are higher than that. Well, look, it's one of the most heinous crimes.
Starting point is 00:28:04 I don't think it's so prevalent that you have to worry about your child wandering into the street or going over to a neighbor's house. You know what? You should absolutely worry about that. Absolutely not. I mean, I just have a hard time even taking that seriously from someone who has no kids or kids that they've ever, like, had to protect. You've never had any kids, and you've never had to protect any kids. I'm constantly around my nephews. That's not your kid.
Starting point is 00:28:28 No shit, Maddox. But you still have those kind of parental instincts. No, you have, you want to protect them. That's part of your tribe. It's very easy for children to get taken advantage of, like, writing it off as this math, medical unlikelyhood to me. Is it, okay, it's parents are fearmongering, whatever, but way too many kids get abused, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:28:50 Looking out for them is not helicopter parenting. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. If you are constantly worried about your kid going over to a neighbor's house and then, you know, coming home molested, like, look, it's just unlikely to occur. It can make, you know, if parents take it to the extreme, it can make that kid really fearful. And there we go, Sean.
Starting point is 00:29:09 There's the wrong. They should be. Because here's what happens. Here are the consequences of helicopter parenting. You ever heard the song Mother by Pink Floyd? It's basically a helicopter parent. Well, what are the consequences? Here are the consequences from Parents.com.
Starting point is 00:29:20 It says, your kids get a sense of entitlement. That right there, to me, is one of the worst fates of anyone, having a fucking sense of entitlement. Well, yeah, one of the worst. Children who have always had their social, academic, and athletic lives adjusted by their parents to best fit their needs can become accustomed to always having their way, and thus, they develop a sense of entitlement. They become entitled shitheads. Yeah, they're like the center of the universe. Broken fucking people.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Unddeveloped life skills. More consequences of helicopter parenting. Parents who always tie shoes, clear plates, pack lunches, laundered clothes, and monitor school progress, even after their children are mentally and physically capable of doing the task, prevent their children from mastering these skills themselves.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Decreased self-confidence and self-esteem. The main problem with helicopter parenting is that it backfires, says Dr. Anne Dunnellwood, a licensed psychologist. She says the underlying message is that the parent's over-involvement sends to kids, however, is that my parent doesn't trust me to do this on my own. And this leads to a lack of confidence.
Starting point is 00:30:21 So they're insecure, they lack confidence, they have underdeveloped life skills, they have a sense of entitlement, and it goes on. They get underdeveloped coping skills. If the parent is always there to clean up after the child's mess or prevent the problem in the first place, how does the child ever learn to cope with loss, disappointment, or failure? Studies have found that helicopter parenting can make children feel less competent in dealing with the stresses of life on their own. And then it increases anxiety in the child. The list goes on and on.
Starting point is 00:30:49 A study from the University of Mary Washington has shown that overparenting is associated with higher levels of child anxiety and depression. I mean, you're fucking up the kid's life. Yeah, you know what? There's a one in a hundred thousand chance, maybe less than that, one half in a hundred thousand chance, maybe 200,000 chance that your child could get molested by wandering over your neighbor's house. That's an awful fucking... What if it's one in a hundred? Well, what if it's one in ten? I mean, I don't know, you're just throwing out random numbers out there.
Starting point is 00:31:15 It's one in a hundred thousand. No, those are the odds. The odds that your kid gets molested is one in a hundred thousand? It's really rare. Is it one in a hundred thousand or is it really rare? All crimes across the board? Look, pedophilia itself would be in the millions, dick. Didn't we say it was 2% or 3% or something like that?
Starting point is 00:31:31 No, I mean, I know you said that, but I don't know where you pulled that number from. Oh, no, well, I mean, that was just a guess. Catholic Church is something like 6%. No, it's not. Okay. All right. So what were you going to say? The point is that helicopter parenting, the consequences of it, are really dire.
Starting point is 00:31:51 They're really extreme. When you stifle your kid's choice, his or her freedom of expression, they become entitled, they become anxious, they get depressed, they become less self-reliant. They become basically broken human beings. Is that what you want? I mean, what's the alternative here? Yeah, you know what? Abuse against children is awful and heinous. It's one of the worst things that could ever happen.
Starting point is 00:32:14 We should absolutely prevent it. But not at the expense of ruining their lives. Yeah. Look, what is helicopter parenting then? Well, like you went through a whole list of things that you shouldn't do. Don't do their laundry. Don't do their laundry is going to make them not prepared for life. I doubt that.
Starting point is 00:32:32 I bet a lot of people who've had their laundry done that aren't all fucked up. Like this helicopter parenting just seems like a buzzword to get people outraged about how entitled everyone. Yeah, I get it. Everyone's entitled. I hate it too. They're all, they're all, everybody wants their space, safe space. Everybody wants everything the way they do. It's like a poison in America.
Starting point is 00:32:51 But I don't know. I don't know that every, like, we're in a culture where these kinds of articles and buzzwords, like, affluenza have to be cranked out constantly by an outrage machine. I don't know that there's this helicopter parenting phenomenon that's ruining an entire generation. Seems like some people just are a little smothering with their kids. Well, you're just, you're playing semantic games. What are you going to say, Sean?
Starting point is 00:33:18 I mean, I've seen what I would consider to be overparenting, where it's like, God, you know, you are really hovering over that kid, but you have to define what really constitutes over parenting. You know, it's such a wide swathing. It could be an inch of gray. No, but I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Helicopter parenting has another consequence.
Starting point is 00:33:35 I mean, the list goes on and on. This is just from parents.com, but I heard another... Where's the line drawn? Well, I'll tell you... What becomes helicopter parenting? Doing your laundry, apparently. Well, no, overdoing their laundry. Like, if you do their laundry sometimes
Starting point is 00:33:46 or until they're self-sufficient, but there are people who do laundry forever, yeah. So what's wrong with that? I told you what's wrong with that. It makes them entitled. It makes them not independent. It makes them not confident. It ruins their self-esteem.
Starting point is 00:33:59 It underdevelops coping skills. Laundry? increases anxiety. All these things that you do for your kids, if you're just sitting there wiping their asses, they'll never fucking learn on their own. Yeah, I think you're all right doing laundry for your kids. I don't think any adult failed at not learning how to do laundry. Mama Masterson.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Mama Masterson said, it's okay to do laundry for your kids. No time parenting advice. Go vote it up. Yeah, okay. I mean, here. What else? Like, look, I heard on this other program, they're talking about this phenomenon of helicopter parenting.
Starting point is 00:34:26 And by the way, this isn't even popular right now. This was really popular in the late 90s. This isn't something that's new. They talked about this phenomenon where we have an outrageous amount of people who have anxiety when it comes to food, and we have weird allergies that never existed before. And some scientists started looking at this and saying, well, where the fuck is this coming from? What has happened? What is the cultural shift that has happened where suddenly a decade or two ago,
Starting point is 00:34:58 we weren't experiencing this tidal wave of people with allergies. I know why. Well, I want to hear your theory, Sean. What? It's because they're not allowed to develop immune systems when they're young. Bingo. And it's specifically because of helicopter parenting. They are too afraid that their child might have allergies to shellfish or peanuts or whatever.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So they'll abstain from it because you're not supposed to eat honey when you're breastfeeding. You're not supposed to eat seafood when you're breastfeeding. You're not supposed to give your kids peanuts until a certain age because God, God forbid, they have some weird allergy or whatever. But what they found is that by not exposing your kids to these allergens, they are developing way more severe allergies. They don't let them outside. They don't let them outside.
Starting point is 00:35:39 They don't let them go out and play in the yards. You want to see over-parenting, Dick? Go drive down. There's a, there's a neighborhood in Los Angeles where it's just a bunch of families who have these trampolines set up. And I have never seen anything more pathetic than these trampolines. Mormons? They have nets around them, don't they?
Starting point is 00:36:00 They have nets around them. They have nets around them. Not only do they have nets around them, Sean, the legs have padding on them. Man, I fell off a trampoline into a fucking pine tree and I snapped the top third of the pine tree off when I was a kid. I was complaining about the nets around trampolines recently with this girl and she's like, well, why do you, why do you not like them? I was like, oh man, when I was a kid, the parents would go inside and we would jump off of them, see how high we could jump and fuck up our collar bones and our neck. It was awesome. wait a minute, there's no reason to be against those nets that isn't because of danger. Damn it. Then, you know, that's, then you know you lost. It's true. Yeah, man, you're not letting kids experience life anymore.
Starting point is 00:36:39 There's another teacher who, actually this administrator for a public, private school, who came out with this article a while back, who said that he had a strict rule on his playground, which is if kids get hurt, they can't come crying to the teachers. And he just let them duke it out. He let them figure it out. and he found that over time the kids became more confident, more self-reliant. They started, they bullied each other less. They figured it out. They just were allowed to be kids and go out there and fucking live their lives and scrape their knees every now and then. They didn't have fucking mama sitting there with baby wipes every time they fell down and had a boo-boo. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:14 The world is full of hand sanitizer. Yeah, man. Yeah. So anyway, they found that, Sean, yeah, by not exposing these kids to these allergens that we are getting way more severe allergies that we've never seen before in our lives. And now studies have come out, they said that even people who have peanut allergies, even people who have allergies to shellfish and these things that people normally have allergies to, if you expose it to them little by little over time during their upbringing, they won't
Starting point is 00:37:43 have A, as severe reactions or B, any reactions at all. Well, if that's not true, I'm sure we'll hear about it. Not from these drug lords. Anyway, Dick, what do you got? I mean, I know you're big on honey and, like, it stops allergies. I don't know if we ever settled that debate. Well, I looked into that as well,
Starting point is 00:38:00 and it turns out regular honey probably does not. It's inconclusive. You got to go to Whole Foods. No, I've seen some studies that say it does. I've seen some studies that say it doesn't. The one honey that people say is promising is this honey that comes from the Netherlands or New Zealand called Manuka Honey. I did look into that, and there are some studies that do back that up as some kind of therapeutic effect. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:38:23 So what age would you talk to your kids about sex then? To not be a helicopter parent. Are you going to give them unfettered access to the internet? I think I may, look, I don't know much about kids and parenting, but I do know this. I look at parents who are successful in my life, and I look and see what they're doing with their kids, and I would try to emulate them.
Starting point is 00:38:47 I look at the kids to figure out whether the parents did a good job. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah, that's what I mean. I'll give you a perfect example. One of my brothers has great kids. I mean, I was so impressed. I am so impressed by my nephews. They're fucking fantastic, man.
Starting point is 00:39:02 They're sharp. They're polite. They're friendly. They're outgoing. You go up to them. You see them. They come up to you. They look you in the eye and they shake your hand.
Starting point is 00:39:09 They say, please to meet you. How about that? How about that? Real fucking human beings. They're fantastic kids. Whatever they're doing, whatever mojo they're doing works. They are disciplined. They are responsible.
Starting point is 00:39:21 They're heart. working. You know, I look to see, I look to, one, I believe is, I think 10 and 12 right now. Okay. Probably got to wait a couple decades
Starting point is 00:39:31 to see how the result is. Well, I mean, you think your nephew's the bee's knees, how old's he? Oh, this wasn't like a my dog is better than your dog. I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:41 as an experiment. Well, just even, even comparing similarly aged adolescents for behavior and discipline and response. just looking at that already miles ahead.
Starting point is 00:39:55 So do they do his laundry? I would assume no. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. Do they knit their own clothes? Yeah, they got to be self-sufficient. No, Sean.
Starting point is 00:40:03 You can't buy them their clothes. They don't live on a farm fuck face. All right, what do you got? Did they have to make their own school lunch? Stuff like that? I don't know, man. I don't know. I mean, I've also seen it the other way where parents are way too strict in weird
Starting point is 00:40:17 authoritarian ways that are not like helicopter parents. They're just real dickheads and blowhards about it. And that causes their kids to have huge privacy issues. They have huge issues with privacy and anxiety and control. And for girls, it can develop into eating disorders. For guys, it can develop into drug abuse. Right? Oh, there you go.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Anyway, Dick, what do you got? Yeah. I think you're, like, helicopter parenting. Is that when a parent marches into a teachers, like, writes into a college, professor's email and says my daughter deserved an A on this political science paper that means nothing. That's really annoying. I am so glad. Here, yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that. I'm trying to think of what it actually is. Because that list, I don't know. I'll give you an... It sounded like a bunch of crap. Do your laundry and make your...
Starting point is 00:41:06 Dick, you keep talking about laundry. That's the only thing you mentioned on this. It says they wrote it. It says tie their shoes. Yeah, but you're only picking one out of this entire list. Why did they put it in there if it's stupid? That's their article. Your cherry picking. It says Here, tie your shoes, clear their plates, pack their lunches, launder their clothes, and monitor their school progress, even after the children are mentally and physically capable of doing the task. Is that not clear? After they're capable of doing it, their task themselves,
Starting point is 00:41:32 they're still doing it. That's a helicopter parenting. Tying their shoes? See, that's weird. Why is that weird? What aren't you getting here? Job specialization is pretty useful for efficiency. I mean, so what's wrong with doing their laundry?
Starting point is 00:41:46 Are tying their shoes when they're like three? Stop mentioning laundry. I listed a whole fucking list. tying their shoes, clearing the plates, after they're capable of doing so themselves, you think that's, there's no problem with that. So, what everybody clears their own plate at dinner? Oh, here, Dick, what's your next problem?
Starting point is 00:41:59 Here, let me do that for you, baby. How old were you when you lived in your parents' basement? Weren't you yelling for soup and correspondence constantly? Yeah, was that helicopter parenting? You guys, it was a joke, it was a throwaway line, my God. No, no, that wasn't a joke. You meant that seriously. You definitely bang on the ceiling and asked for soup.
Starting point is 00:42:16 It wasn't a joke. I mean, it was a joke, it's funny. My mom would occasionally bring me soup downstairs, but... Is that helicopter parenting? Hold on. And I would occasionally... I would occasionally bang on the ceiling with my... With the broom.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Yeah. But those two incidents usually happened distinctly from another. So I would bang on... For something unrelated. Like what? Like pick up the phone. This was before cell phones. This was before...
Starting point is 00:42:42 This was when we all had... I don't think you wanted her to come down to you and pick up your phone and put it up to you. No. Put it up to your ear. No, but this was like when I lived at home and we had a landline, I would take the broom sometimes if I wanted my mom to pick up. I'd bang on the fucking ceiling.
Starting point is 00:42:57 And yeah, sometimes my mom would bring me soup. But here's the thing, man. I'll tell you, my mom did my laundry for way too long. And to the point where when I finally moved out of the apartment, when I finally moved out on my own, I didn't know how to do fucking laundry on my own. I had to learn. No, it wasn't hard to learn, but it was a life skill that I didn't possess. Dick, do you remember when a mutual friend of ours...
Starting point is 00:43:20 Oh, this is a great story. He puked on his pants. This was... How old were we? 16. 15 or 16. Okay, something like, at least. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Go ahead. No, no, you tell it. So this friend of ours, parents were gone. Yeah. So we were all over at his house. Someone had beer. We were drinking, and this friend of ours, whose mom definitely had done his laundry his entire life.
Starting point is 00:43:42 Right. And mine, mind us, too. It's great. She still wants to do it. I don't want to do that. I don't like the way she's. folds the shirts because they don't fit it they don't fit right then we get different folding style anyway uh this guy like how independent you are yeah yeah i taught i taught myself after she stopped my girlfriend
Starting point is 00:43:56 started doing it and then she spilled a bunch of bleach on my shorts it's like all right i'll do this from now on thank you very much could be worse could be coffee yeah yeah exactly uh but i just read the bottle it wasn't like a life skill or my self-esteem wasn't affected by it uh anyway this friend of ours uh threw up on his threw up all over himself because he had like he must have had three or four beers, I think. And at that age, you know, that's a lot of beers. He threw up on himself and he started panicking because he needed to come up with a story why he fell in the pool to explain why his clothes were all wet. And Sean just said, well, why don't you just wash them? He was, well, I don't know how to do that. My mom washes all my clothes. You could see the gears
Starting point is 00:44:39 kind of slowly crank in his head. Like, it was just never thought of. I was like, dude, wash your fucking pants. My mom always did my laundry, and I didn't learn how to do it until I moved out. And there were lessons that you had to learn. Like, there's, generally speaking, there aren't, it doesn't say, I don't know, there are things that you have to learn about doing laundry. Like, for example, using a laundry bag for small articles so they don't get stuck in the drain. That's something I kind of had to learn the hard way.
Starting point is 00:45:07 I mean, these are life skills. I don't know that one. What is it? Use a laundry bag. So if you have a lot of panties that you're washing, you know? I don't do that. I like to keep the smell on it. Gross.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Because it's not being used again, obviously, if they're in that place. It's like lettuce and mustard. What is this bag that you have to use? A laundry bag. You've never heard of it? I've heard of it. I just don't know what it has to do with small things falling down the drain. Dick.
Starting point is 00:45:32 That's so funny. You, you, Mr. Laundry expert, you've never heard of a laundry bag. No, I've heard of a laundry bag. You don't use it. That's what they're for. I don't use a laundry bag, no. Yeah, that's what they're for. So you don't have small things like small socks, uh, panties.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Any small articles of clothing that need to be washed, you put it into a laundry bag so it doesn't get sucked down the drain and cause a clog. What drain? The laundry drain. The, in the washing machine. I've never had a washing machine where that was possible. Me either. Well, it's happened to me.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Because even change stays in the bottom of the washer. Well, change is heavy. I'm talking about something that's kind of like, you know, some of the hairbands you use, that sort of thing. Yeah, they're always in there. Well, I don't know, man. These exist for a reason, and that's what they're there for. that's what happened.
Starting point is 00:46:16 I was in an apartment one time that I was renting and I put a bunch of clothes in and this was a front-loading washer so maybe that had something to do with it but it was a front-loading washer and it sucked some socks or something down the drain caused a clog and the plumber came and said oh you got to use a laundry bag so the stuff
Starting point is 00:46:31 I've seriously never heard of that I'm sure it exists. It probably is with a front-loading washers yeah well your mom did your laundry so maybe that's why you don't know I've never had a front-loading laundry Mr. Fancy Pants I got to use the apartment complex ones
Starting point is 00:46:43 like Sesame Street. Oh, but one last thing, one last point. So teachers sometimes, it's leading to this phenomenon where parents are coming in and arguing with their kids' teachers when their teachers are trying to discipline them in class. Yeah. That is so fucking obnoxious. You're going to bat for your kid? What the fuck do you think the teacher's doing? You think they're sitting there conspiring against your little shit?
Starting point is 00:47:05 You think your little shit's that special that your teacher's going to sit there trying to come up with ways to fuck with them? No, their teacher doesn't give a shit. They're trying to do their job and go home. They know they're working long fucking hours. They don't have time to sit there thinking of ways to fuck with your stupid little monster. If the teacher says your kid disrespected him or her in class, guess what? He probably did. The teacher has better things to do than to make up stories and get you to come down and
Starting point is 00:47:29 meet her or him for a parent teacher conference. People have shit to do. They have busy lives. They have lives to lead. They don't have time for this shit. If your teacher is telling you your kid has a problem in school, listen to them. That's the biggest problem with helicopter parenting. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Ready for my problem? Yeah. It's the job lynch mob. How many times have I threatened to bring this one in? You have threatened to bring this in a lot. A lot. Yeah. I really hate it.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Well, what is it? It's a job lynch mob. What does that mean? You heard of a lynch mob, right? Yeah? It's when they round up a posse and try to kill you. Uh-huh. Yeah?
Starting point is 00:48:08 Yeah. Same thing, except they're trying to kill your job. You know what the thing is about a lynch mob? There's no justice to it. It's just a bunch of people who want to kill you. It doesn't matter why. You didn't go through a trial. You weren't found guilty of anything.
Starting point is 00:48:25 It's just a bunch of people who decided they don't like you. They don't want you around anymore. So they round up a posse and they try to kill you. Maybe they hang you. Not necessary, though, to be a lynch mob. Imagine the same thing, but they're trying to kill your job. That's a job, lynch. Okay. That's what it is. Happens a lot. Every time it happens, I want to bring it in. But every time something more important comes along, like burning your mouth on hot food or banging your funny bone. This time, nothing. This time, only Prince died and someone got kicked off the $20 bill. No big deal, right? Nothing, not that important. Nothing controversial to talk about there. No. Well, those aren't going to happen again, most likely. Prince? Yeah, Prince is probably not going to
Starting point is 00:49:12 die twice. Not in our lifetime. Yeah. That's true. They might resurrect him later on because they'll always resurrect celebrities. His hologram might die. They'll figure out a way to like turn him into a Tomogachi. Wow. And that'll die. I wish they'd figure out a way to make him make good music. But this a lynch mob, this is an ongoing thing, right? It's an ongoing thing. And I think it's getting worse. So Kurt Schilling, you know who that guy is? Yeah, commentator. I've heard of him, but I don't know what he does. I'm going to breeze through it because I'm sure it's of interest to nobody who listens. he's a famous baseball pitchers, commentator on ESPN,
Starting point is 00:49:42 fired for making an offensive tweet. What was the tweet? Does it matter? Yes. Why? Well, what if he said the N-word? Does that deserve? This is a serious question.
Starting point is 00:49:52 Yeah. Does it deserve to be fired? Do you deserve to be fired? Like, do you want a society where you are fired for saying something offensive? Do I want a society where your employer has the freedom
Starting point is 00:50:07 to let you go if you misrepresent them? Maddox, of course. Of course, we know that it's a contract and a company can let you go for any reason, especially if you embarrass them. Right. Of course. If you give them a bad public image. Oh, come on. Let's rise above that conversation because that's going on all day on think pieces on TV. Of course, everybody. They're employed by a company. He said something that embarrasses the company. Get rid of them. Of course. I wish we found that more offensive than the original. offensive statement. Well, what was the statement? That's what I'm saying. Again, does it matter?
Starting point is 00:50:43 How bad would it have to be for them to be fired to you? Uh, homophobic, let's take Gilbert Godfrey's. Let's take Gilbert Godfrey's. Japan, rocked by a huge quake. Yeah. Right? A tsunami, excuse me. You know, I'm using them interchangeably, but tsunami. He says, he starts tweeting jokes about it. Japan's so advanced, they're bringing the beach to them. Okay. Right? Funny, right? Fired immediately. Of course. Do you think that was offensive enough for a man? to lose his livelihood? Dick, you know what? You're sitting here decrying a man losing his livelihood,
Starting point is 00:51:15 but you're forgetting an important fact here. These are businesses, and businesses are in the business of making money. And if they piss off their customers by hiring a sponsor or spokesperson who's making asinine remarks that are insensitive after an earthquake and people threatened to boycott that business, guess what? The livelihood that's being threatened is not Gilbert Godfrey's. It's now theirs. And they have every right and reason and justification to live.
Starting point is 00:51:39 let him go. I don't see the problem here. I mean, well, all I'm asking for you to do is take that argument, which is obvious. Everybody knows that an agree was with it. Yeah. And put it aside, just for the sake of the conversation. All right. Obviously, I'm not talking about enacting some kind of bizarreo law where companies are no longer allowed to put behavior clauses in contracts. Like, it's nothing insane like that. Sure. All I'm saying is the idea of taking someone's job away is the same as harming them physically
Starting point is 00:52:15 in a lot of ways. Taking away their ability to make money. Remember that guy that killed Cecil, that dentist? Yeah. What did the mob want to do? They wanted to destroy his business. That's right.
Starting point is 00:52:27 That somehow, somehow, we all look at that and say, well, that's okay. I think that's way worse than anything you could have said or done. I think it's comparable to harming someone physically. Because you're just trying, you're doing the max that you can do, the most amount of harm you can do to someone,
Starting point is 00:52:48 is take away their ability to feed themselves, take away all the work they've done for however many years to get where they are, to just take it away by the force of the mob. Like it's the maximum legally allowable amount of force that a mob can do to someone. Yeah, it can be overly harsh. And it's always, oh, it's never just. so politically correct now, we're so afraid to offend anybody, that they, it's just, the hatchet
Starting point is 00:53:14 comes down almost immediately. And that's the only direction that it works in. It only works as an arm of political correctness. I'm not bringing in political correctness right now, probably will someday, but that's what it is to me and that's why it's so horrible. Of course, of course a company can fire anyone they want. Yeah. But we tolerate it. Listen, and it's ugly. It's an ugly thing. Listen, I heard you both. Hannity, Beck, I appreciate your comments. Oh, God. Come on.
Starting point is 00:53:44 I appreciate your comments here. Now, there's a very simple rephrasing of your problem that will help cast this problem into a new perspective, and that is this. So he's going to help you. Right. No, it'll give you a new perspective. That is this. They are not taking away anything. They are giving him a job, all right?
Starting point is 00:54:05 The dentist? Anyone who is employed, anyone who is employed, anyone who, who said anything. They don't, they're not having their jobs taken away. They're having their jobs given to them. The dentist definitely was. I'm talking about the employers. Well, this Kurt, Kurt, what's the name? Kurt Schloider. Schilling. Shilling. Well, I'm talking about the job lynch mob. Well, yeah, but let's talk about, let's look at this from the point of view of the employers. But again, we've said, yes, of course. They have the right to do anything they want. Of course. They have the right to protect their brand. No, no. But you're saying that it's comparable to physical
Starting point is 00:54:36 violence to take away their job. It's so bad. It's like, oh my gosh, there's nothing worse. I just think sometimes the bar is too low. Oh, is there a bar? It's just momentum. What did he say? I mean, if you don't know, that should say enough. It wasn't offensive to get through your filter, and you're usually pretty hip on current events. I do know. I do know what he said. Oh, well, then why are you asking? Well, I want you to say it was a picture. What did he say? What did he say? Well, you just want me to repeat an offensive tweet? Well, if it's so, it's so bad that you ought to even say it on this program yet you're saying that the job lynch mob is totally this outrage machine that costs this poor guy his job this poor man i'll say whatever you want i'm not i'm not
Starting point is 00:55:16 personally offended by it i mean it's his opinion i'll read the tweet i just don't think the offensiveness of it is germane to this conversation it absolutely it absolutely is i think to be fair he has a long track record of this oh and so did gilbert godfrey that's why he was famous that's why they hired him. Like, yeah. But now he's representing a huge corporation who can't have any egg on their face. Right. But Schilling, he's had repeated incidents.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Of course. And been warned and all that kind of stuff. I don't feel too bad for him. Of course not. No. Go ahead. This is according to the New York Times. It says the post, so he posed on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:55:53 He said, the post showed an overweight man wearing a wig and women's clothing with parts of the t-shirt cut out to expose his breasts. It says, let him in to the restaurant. with your daughter or else, you're a narrow-minded, judgmental, unloving racist bigot who needs to die. Not a very sophisticated comment on the ongoing debate that's going on right now in North Carolina, where they pass this bill that is trying to prevent people who are transsexual from using restrooms of the opposite sex. They want people with their biologically aligned genders to use the restroom that matches their
Starting point is 00:56:32 gender, so they're genitals. So that means people who have been post-operational who look like women, men who now look like women or women who now look like men, they are, they have to go into the opposite bathroom just because of this weird law, which is like such a non-issue. There's never been any sexual assaults or anything like that from these transsexuals going to the bathroom. That's not where it happens. To that, Schilling added, a man is a man no matter what they call themselves. I don't care what they are, who they sleep with. Men's room was designed for the penis. Women's, not so much. Now you need laws telling us differently.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Pathetic. That's what he said. Do you have more to add? That's the whole comment. Right, but we all knew what he said. Oh, okay. You were going to add to it? Yeah, well, I'll say this.
Starting point is 00:57:16 It does sound transphobic. So, so then you agree with the mob. What mob? What mob? Where is this mob? What are you talking about? The mob is who everyone's afraid of. That's why everyone gets fired.
Starting point is 00:57:28 That's why Gilbert Godfrey got fired because companies are terrified of people who are offended by that. It's a guy's... Maybe it's just me. When I hear an opinion I don't like, I don't want that person to be punished into lying about it. I'd like it to be expressed so it can be dissected.
Starting point is 00:57:48 So it can be argued with. Therein lies the rub with taking corporate influence when it comes to your speech. Because if they decide it, for whatever reason, what you said, even if it's innocuous, Let's say what he said wasn't transphobic. Let's just say he just said something flippant that they didn't like. They can decide for any reason that it's going to be a harm to their potential customer base, and they can let you go. And buy this mob, you keep saying it's a mob, it's a mob, it's a mob.
Starting point is 00:58:15 What they are are customers, and they're customers who are buying a product. And if their customers are unhappy, that's basically your shareholders. You have to respond to your shareholders. And when they're mad, guess what? You get rid of the problem. What do they have to gain? You're explaining the basics of business about this again. We all know that.
Starting point is 00:58:34 What do they have to gain by keeping this guy? What do they have to gain? Sometimes they think that they know what's going to offend the masses. And sometimes it's a very small percentage of letters they get or it's an old lady saying, I heard the F word somewhere or that. It's the same way books get banned. A library gets letters for something's offensive. Like, well, all these people are offensive.
Starting point is 00:58:57 The parents, what, television counsel, that one company that's responsible, for just generating outrage and contacting whomever in order to censor them. It's those kinds of people that they're afraid of. There just exists this machine of outrage. No, the Parents Television Research Council is a lobbying group that is specifically pushing conservative agendas and specifically conservative Christian agendas, and they're trying to keep the airwaves clean, and they're doing it a really shady way. Libraries, on the other hand, don't have corporate influences.
Starting point is 00:59:29 That's why I like libraries. And that's why if a library banned a book, that's a huge story. That's a big deal. That's why libraries can have any number of CD books in their record. They can have hate speech. They can have anything you could possibly want under the sun. They can have it there. But as for this Kurt Schilling guy, he said something irresponsible.
Starting point is 00:59:49 And this mob that you keep calling them are customers, essentially. Now, let me ask you this. But it's really a lot of people this happens to. Well, let me ask you this. We're specifically talking about this because that's why you brought it in. Sean said that You said it's a small percentage of people who are outraged or offended?
Starting point is 01:00:07 No, I'm saying that... There's no way to know. Yeah, there's no way to know. If they just chop it off at the knees, then, you know... Oh, that's what, yeah, okay. So, Sean said that they are proactive. They're being proactive here and they're assuming... Sometimes.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Well, in this case, were they being proactive or was there outrage? Well, it was instantaneous. In this case, I think he had gotten enough backlash. Again, this case, I think he absolutely deserved to be fired. I mean, I don't even want to get into that Because it doesn't matter It doesn't matter to me It does, it does
Starting point is 01:00:35 What you say matters and you should be Look, you have the freedom of speech In this country I'm so fucking tired of morons Armchair constitutionalists Sitting there Maddox freedom of speech How come I got banned on your forum
Starting point is 01:00:47 Because guess what shit You still have the freedom of speech You just don't have to say it Wherever you want You can't come into my fucking house And spew your bullshit Get the fuck out If you want freedom of speech
Starting point is 01:00:58 Go to the sidewalk and say whatever the fuck you want. You can say it whatever you want. You can write in your blog. You can text it to friends. Do whatever you want. But when you do it in a public forum when you're representing another company, yeah, guess what? There are consequences. You have freedom of speech, but not freedom of consequence. What's the problem? I don't see the disconnect. He has the
Starting point is 01:01:13 freedom to say whatever he wants, and now he can do it completely unrestrained. In fact, who is he who is the employer? Who is the MLB? Let's go. I think ESPN, I believe. ESPN, now they've done him a favor because now he can go say whatever he wants completely unrestrained. Aren't they doing a
Starting point is 01:01:28 good thing for this guy? Well, that's also all owned by Disney. Well, that's true. So you know they're going to be... Vote up Disney, Bucco. Yeah, I thought you would have this opinion on it. Um, the only reason I brought it in is simply to say that the idea of firing someone
Starting point is 01:01:45 taking away their livelihood because of something they said, I wish was more abhorrent than anything you could say. Because using intimidation and violence to force people not to say what they think, to force them to tow a politically correct line, is, I think, one of the most damaging things in society, that there could be in a free society.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Because it's a stepping stone. It's all part, it's part of control. It's a mechanism of control. Slippery slope, Maddox. That's why, that's why I brought it in. And it's not to have these elementary and academic arguments about contracts. and yeah branding and this and that and the other. It's that everyone immediately accepts it as,
Starting point is 01:02:32 well, they're just covering their ass. He said something bad. You got to punish that. And I really disagree with that. It happened so. There's this guy, I mean, this has already gotten too long, but there was a guy, Violin Acres on Reddit, who was on, you know, doing lewd things on the internet,
Starting point is 01:02:48 as the whole point of the internet is. And he got outed for doing it instantly fired. And everyone treats this, Treat this is some kind of victory But it should be it should make people sick That because of someone's opinions And thoughts They've lost their ability to support themselves
Starting point is 01:03:08 Just hang him Just skip the step Do what you really want to do Which is kill him And that's what you're saying When you celebrate somebody getting fired For something like this Is you're the kind of person
Starting point is 01:03:19 That's okay rounding up a posse And executing them I think that's bullshit I don't like the snap judgment part of it. Me either. Where you don't even get the whole story a lot of the time. No, because people don't care. Hold on, Dick. You're being so flip about thoughts and what our
Starting point is 01:03:34 beliefs are. What our beliefs and our thoughts are are the only thing that separates us from people who, like the Ku Klux Klan. Would you hire a Ku Klux Klan member to represent your company? Look, we're talking specifically, this is an American problem, this happened in America, let's talk about the Ku Klux Klan clan. Would you hire a Kuklux Klanman
Starting point is 01:03:53 to represent your company? Is that a serious? question? Absolutely. How is that possibly a serious question, Maddox? Would you give a job to someone like that? Like you're acting all pissed off, but are you seriously asking a question of would you hire a clan member? Well, is that a fucking real question? You're coming out here saying
Starting point is 01:04:10 making this lofty claim that we are punishing people for their thoughts. Yeah, and their speech. And their opinions. But the only thing that makes someone reprehensible is their beliefs. And if you can't, if you're
Starting point is 01:04:26 It's their actions. It's their fucking actions. That's why I knew you wouldn't get this. Because you do think it's a thought crime. The crime is the action. The Ku Klux Klan, which you've specifically used because they've committed tons of acts of violence. And now there's, what is there, like 10,000 people
Starting point is 01:04:41 in the Ku Klux Klan now? It's not even a thing. It's like a, I don't know. It's a club. There's nobody there. There's way worse groups out there than the Ku Klux Klan. But it's like, it's the same as Hitler anymore. It's the difference between being prejudiced and then going forward
Starting point is 01:04:56 to discrimination. Yeah, that's, discriminating is the action. Big difference. So, so, so, so, so you have an employee, let's say Dick, Dick Masters and Construction Company. Again, it's not about the company. Hold on, hold on. You have Dick Masterson Construction Company, and you have an employee that comes out and says something transphobic.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Like, you know what? I think trans people should be burned at the stake because they're less than human, less than, whatever, whatever hateful thing they come out and say. Uh-huh. Now, you are saying that there should be moral outrage for, for people. people who would want to get rid of someone like that, rather than the person who has those beliefs, who says those hateful things,
Starting point is 01:05:33 that then can incite violence towards people. Look, I'm not a big fan of thought crimes. Is it still part of your question? Yeah, it's your company. You would want someone like that representing your company. You can dislike both. I mean, yeah. Are you asking if I want, if I would like that?
Starting point is 01:05:50 You just said you would like someone like that representing your company. Would you? Are you fucking serious? Would I like someone going around? saying transsexuals should be killed representing my company? Is it a real question? Would you fire someone like for that or not?
Starting point is 01:06:03 That depends. How much do they have to drink? Did they post the wrong Twitter account? Look. Was he hacked? Yeah, he probably got hacked. That's what we're going on. Yeah, I think you're kind of fundamentally
Starting point is 01:06:15 missing my argument here, which is one is offensive and everyone recognizes it as being offensive. One is horrifying. And it plays to our base nature, the needs of a mob, to harm someone, and it's celebrated. That's the job lynch mob that I'm talking about. And it happens way more than Kurt fucking Schilling.
Starting point is 01:06:33 It happened with the Cecil guy, happened with Gilbert Gavry. Like, it happens to people. Happened to Mel Gibson. It happens to people. It happens to people, and I think it's going to happen more and more. You're defending Mel Gibson? I'm not defending Mel Gibson. I'm saying the things people say shouldn't result in them getting harmed.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Why not? That's what I'm saying. I mean, first of all, he's not getting harmed. I think ESPN has done Kurt Schilling at first. favor by firing him because now Kirkchilling has absolute freedom to say whatever hateful screed he wants. By the way, his Twitter should be blowing up. Talk, make all the dick jokes, make all the vagina jokes. Yeah, give it to those real, those fucking creepy transsexuals. Let's really give it to them. The masses always have the option of voting with their pocketbook.
Starting point is 01:07:15 Exactly. And by the way, Sean, and that's what they're trying to prevent. ESPN is trying to prevent the masses from voting. Of course, we all know that. Okay. So let me let me pose this, this hypothetical. Is it another like, would I make out with Hitler question or is it something remotely realistic? I didn't even mention Hitler. Literally the only person on the show who's mentioned Hitler today is you. Max, the only reason you use the Ku Klux Klan is because you know that using Hitler would look stupid. No, because Hitler is dead and the Ku Klux Klan is still contemporary. A Nazi then. No. There's still Nazis. Okay, Dick, does it matter? Go ahead. What's your question? What's the real question? Here's a hypothetical
Starting point is 01:07:51 for you. Let's say that it wasn't Kurt Schilling working for the ESPN. a private organization, a private corporation. Let's say it's someone who works for the government. Is Disney private? No. Oh, okay. Well, whatever. It's publicly traded, but it's still a corporation.
Starting point is 01:08:05 Let's say it's someone who works for the government who said this. What do you think the response and repercussions would be for this? What are you talking about if? Let's say someone, let's say Kurt Schilling was working for the U.S. government. He was a congressman, and he said that tweet. What do you think the response should be or would be? Depends what district he's from. Let's just, okay, let's say...
Starting point is 01:08:26 Isn't that the point of politics? Let's say he's neither from a far left or far right, just someplace right in the middle. He might get elected president. Well, yeah, he might get, he might never... How long was Strom Thurman, a congressman? And he said way worse than that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:42 So you think that... Oh, did that question not go where you thought it was going to go? Like, that's what people vote for. I'm asking to spur conversation. I'm not really sure if I have a point. I'm actually sincerely cured. What you think, if you think that government, working for the government, can afford you more protections than working for corporations? Working for, like if you're at the DMV and you're on Twitter saying stuff?
Starting point is 01:09:08 No, the example I gave you, a congressman. Well, yeah, and then I said you could get elected for life. It depends what district you're in. I mean, Anthony Wiener tweeted his dick out, which is not really a big deal. And he resigned immediately because of the horrifying mob justice that was going to ensue, right? Why that, just stick it out? Like, why? Well, that was the problem.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Sean with a zinger. That's my problem. I'm sure I had something else, but I don't care. Well, I don't know, Dick. Did Kurt Schilling shave? I mean, I know he doesn't have a job. He's got to save some money. Oh, we should have done that earlier.
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Starting point is 01:11:55 Mosquitoes. Ah? Oh, this is a quick problem? Oh, my God. They're the worst things ever. They're the biggest problem in the universe. Absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:03 I hope you've researched this. They're definitely the biggest problem on a continent. Yeah. Which continent? Africa. Yeah, well, maybe. You know, the... Malaria.
Starting point is 01:12:14 He's killed millions. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a good point. That's true, actually. Why did you not have malaria in this research? Minor annoyance. Well, I brought in the malaria statistic of yearly deaths, not aggregately. Aggregately, it's millions, it's not been the millions.
Starting point is 01:12:29 But yeah, man, mosquitoes, they're completely worthless. That's the first thing I wrote down. Mosquitoes are completely worthless. You know when they created the biodome, Dick? You remember what the biodome was? Polyshore. Yeah, the movie. But the movie was based on a scientific project where a bunch of scientists.
Starting point is 01:12:44 It's in Arizona. In Arizona, yeah. They created a completely enclosed enclosure out in the desert somewhere that was supposed to be a self-sustaining ecosystem where they sealed it off and nothing was allowed in or out for a year or two years or something like that. They put some scientists in there and is really fascinating. If you ever get a chance to look up their personal accounts of what happened in there, some of them were going a little bit crazy near the end. Oh man, I feel like that experiment got short shrift on media exposure. Because I remember we were young when they started that. Right.
Starting point is 01:13:18 And the buildup, I was living, I lived in Arizona at the time, but the buildup was, like, saturated. Like, everybody was talking about biotum all the time. How long were they in there? They did multiple ones. They did one for like two or three months, and they did one for a year. And there was nothing afterwards.
Starting point is 01:13:33 No. Yeah, that's too bad. Yeah. I didn't even know it was a real thing until I knew the movie. Oh, yeah. I didn't even know it was a real thing until I looked it up. Yeah. Well, so when the scientists were trying to put in an ecological,
Starting point is 01:13:45 diverse set of animals and insects and plant life in there to kind of create a controlled environment. There was a debate among the scientific community on whether or not they should include mosquitoes in there. And that's when they started looking. They started to look at prick. Yeah. Introduce that one. Probably a mosquito. In disguise. Yeah, probably. I think we should. You can't have them losing their livelihood. Get that. Get the hell out of here, Buzz. Buzz. Real conspicuous name's shithead. Professor Buzz.
Starting point is 01:14:19 Yeah, Professor Buzz. Why'd you have to put the joke in it? I don't know. I just thought it would be funny. It's not funny. Yeah, he's like one of those criminals who always leaves a calling card that always gets them caught. Yeah, like the wet bandits.
Starting point is 01:14:31 Yeah. The white bandits. You have to be a certain age to know that one. So these scientists looked at mosquitoes critically, and they thought, well, what are we going to harm if we leave them out of this ecosystem. What animals rely on mosquitoes, what plants rely on mosquitoes,
Starting point is 01:14:50 and then they started taking tabs and doing accounting, and they looked at all the different potential ways that mosquitoes could affect this environment, and they found... That's interesting. The net sum was zero. They found that mosquitoes would have no effect because nothing relies just on mosquitoes.
Starting point is 01:15:06 Now... They're purely parasites? Yeah, they're just parasites. There's nothing in nature that relies on mosquitoes. What about mosquito hunters? What do you mean? There's bugs. Yeah, they're mosquito chasers.
Starting point is 01:15:18 They kill mosquitoes. Well, that's what we call them, but they don't rely on those. I think they eat ticks and other little insects, too. So they put ticks in the biodome? I think they did not ticks. It really sucks. Yeah, it's a shit biodome. But don't lizards eat mosquitoes?
Starting point is 01:15:32 I understand how you're explaining it the one way. But don't other animals maybe need mosquitoes as part of their diet? Sean, no animal needs mosquitoes as part of their diet. They can eat other stuff. Yeah, they can eat other stuff. They found that, yeah. Because they've looked at continents that didn't have mosquitoes before and after, like Hawaii, for example. In the 1800s, Hawaii didn't have mosquitoes.
Starting point is 01:15:51 And then some hikers came to Hawaii and had some on their, in their gear, whatever, introduced mosquitoes to Hawaii. And they wiped out so many different species of birds with avian pox. It's basically, yeah, this type of disease that wiped out birds in Hawaii. And now mosquitoes have run amok in Hawaii. There's so many. There's giant nests of them. That sucks. Man. Mosquitoes, so this is, according to National Geographic, there aren't any bat species that specialize specifically on mosquitoes.
Starting point is 01:16:22 According to National Geographic, they said mosquitoes are the primary vector for malaria. So if they disappeared, malaria certainly would too. According to the World Health Organization, about 438,000 people die of malaria. They died of malaria in 2015. In 2015 alone, we had half a million people die of malaria. Yeah. That is fucking, that's an epidemic. Where's your fuck?
Starting point is 01:16:42 Forget fucking Ebola. Half a million people dying from malaria still. Because it's consistent every year, so there's no story in that. Is it in America? No, this is... Similarly, the mosquito species most responsible for the current outbreak of Zika virus are also the primary carriers of the dango virus, 22,000 deaths per year. Dengue.
Starting point is 01:17:02 Dengue. Oh, yeah, that's right. Dengue. And then yellow fever, 30,000 deaths annually. So let's do the math here. We got 438,000, 22, 30, that's 50. Yeah, that's about half a million people dying every year from fucking mosquitoes. And, yeah, I mentioned in Hawaii. Now, I was doing research. I typed in Google.
Starting point is 01:17:20 I said, are mosquitoes necessary? And there's all these entomologists who are so far behind on the Times. They're talking about, well, yeah, you know, we could potentially wipe out mosquitoes, but the cost might be too high because we would have to drain all these swamps and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and pesticides. I'm like, no, idiot. Well, just do it better. Yeah, they'll give a cheaper way. No, there's a better way.
Starting point is 01:17:40 There's a smarter way. Sure. Have you ever heard? You and I are using the same. word, or different words to describe the same thing. That's true. Have you ever heard of a company called Oxitech? Are they sterile mosquitoes? Yeah. You heard of this? Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 01:17:53 These guys, the fucking mad science they're doing in their laboratories, holy shit. These guys have found, they've devised the way to potentially wipe out, eradicate mosquitoes on planet Earth, down to I think a 96% degree of accuracy. They could wipe out like 96% of the mosquitoes. We need more than that. Do you know how many assholes would protest that?
Starting point is 01:18:16 Well, you could save millions and millions and millions of lies, but it's like... But here's the thing, Sean. The beauty of this global climate we live in is every different country and jurisdiction kind of legislates themselves. So some cities are already experimenting with their technology. Cool. Here's how it works. Like in Canada, I think they did in Brazil. Scientists at OxyTech have developed a way to modify mosquitoes by adding a gene which produces a protein that stops their cells from functioning normally.
Starting point is 01:18:42 the gene produces a protein called TTA which is a special kind of protein able to act as a switch that controls the activity of other genes. Now listen to this, okay? They have this gene in the mosquitoes called TTA, right? And it activates as a switch
Starting point is 01:18:56 and here's what turns the switch on or off. This means that the modified mosquitoes become very sick and die before reaching adulthood. So if these mosquitoes die, how does that make them sterile? Right? Because they turned on the switch.
Starting point is 01:19:06 Well, they made this gene specifically respond to tetracyclin. Tetracycline is an antibiotic. So they raise these laboratories, excuse me, they raise these mosquitoes in a laboratory with tetracycline in the environment, and the mosquitoes are just fine. But as soon as the mosquitoes leave that laboratory and there's no longer a presence of tetracycline, those mosquitoes become Terminator mosquitoes. Yeah. So once they breed. Like Jurassic Park.
Starting point is 01:19:30 What do you mean? They left out a... The raptors needed to eat like something that was in soybeans all the time or else they'd die. Oh, yeah. But then they found soybeans when they were in Costa Rica. I got raptors. Well, that's exactly what this does. So as soon as they're in an environment without tetracycline,
Starting point is 01:19:46 the gene activates, and the next generation, the next of kin is the one that dies and suffers. And that's such a brilliant plan, because essentially they're sending mosquitoes off into the wild to breed, right? And these mosquitoes are just fine, because they can breed just fine, because they were raised with tetracycline in the environment. But the next generation that has this gene,
Starting point is 01:20:06 this carrier gene, this self-destructing gene, doesn't have tetracyclin, and they completely wipe out. It's great. And they have done this. They've done tests with this, and they found that when they do it in these environments, it's wiping out mosquitoes after one generation, one test.
Starting point is 01:20:21 How long do they live? A couple weeks? It takes about three to six months for a cycle. It's a long time. Well, then you don't have to worry about it ever again. I need a bee's gone now. So, like, where can I order a box of these? Because I got a pool that's attracting a lot of mosquitoes.
Starting point is 01:20:40 So now you're coming down to the ethical quandary because now scientists... As it turns out, I'm ready to go. As it turns out, I got two credit cards out. One for each of you, let's go. Well, there's this study that came out by, let's see, the scientist's name is Dr. Buzz. He said don't do it. No, but the scientific community is having a quandary right now on whether or not they should do this. Hissy fit.
Starting point is 01:21:10 They're having a hissie fit on whether or not to wipe out mosquitoes. Because we are actually within our lifetimes able to completely eradicate a species of creature. And, you know, I keep hearing this debate on radio stations and different programs and stuff. This is insane. What? The idea, these fucking scientists, always lying to it. I fucking hate scientists so much. They're not lying.
Starting point is 01:21:35 No, that was an insane, insane clown posse lyric for a joke. Oh, okay. That was too obscure. They all love to play God, right? They all love their precious science so much. Like, well, you know, the ecosystem, it's very delicate. It's so delicate that if you pull off just the most annoying creature that's murdering hundreds of thousands of humans every year, you pull them, the whole thing might collapse. Like, okay, so what if we just dump oil all over the ocean?
Starting point is 01:22:07 Are you okay with that? Well, no, but, you know, we didn't mean to do that. Like, well, yeah, we did. There's statistical destruction in everything we do. Everything that we do is constantly fucking up the environment. Where do you assholes get off? It's like pretending for a second that there's this fragile tapestry of life that needs to be preserved all the time.
Starting point is 01:22:30 We don't do that. We've never done that. It's just so annoying to hear them. Yeah, I think the truth is usually somewhere. in the middle. There's definitely times when we have fucked up in ecology, like when we introduced what is it, voles, the gray-tailed voles into Australia, the little
Starting point is 01:22:45 mice or the rats, overran Australia, oh my, it destroyed their ecology. And then when we introduced goats on the Galapagos Islands totally killed the environments and they had to go hunt all the goats to kind of restore the environment for tortoises.
Starting point is 01:23:01 Restore the beauty of it. No, no, for tortoises. They were wiping out tortoises. You know, fuck tortoises. Yeah. Right? Like at the same time, like, you give me a list. If I'm going to kill mosquitoes, give me the list of all the animals it's going to kill, and I'll tell you when I don't feel okay getting rid of mosquitoes anymore. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:23:18 Here's the argument I never hear made on these radio shows and these debates, which is essentially the Jurassic Park argument. You know, in Jurassic Park, they have, it's a fiction based on the finding a mosquito that was stuck in some ember. Amber. Amber, yeah. Yeah. So finding a mosquito that was stuck in some amber.
Starting point is 01:23:36 and being able to drill inside the mosquito's belly and pull out some prehistoric dinosaur blood, some dinosaur DNA. Dino DNA. Dino DNA, right? We know the speech. From its belly. And they were able to, in this movie,
Starting point is 01:23:51 reconstruct the dinosaur because of this DNA, whatever. Now, that's not completely far-fetched. It's possible to pull... Randy's shaking his head, no, poo-pooing my fucking argument already. What's not, Randy? Candy Randy. Why? DNA.
Starting point is 01:24:06 decays so fast. Yeah, I know a decays. Randy, okay, so Randy's argument is a DNA decays. No shit, Randy. I know fucking DNA decays. I'm not a fucking moron. I have had school before. I mean, you did just kind of say that it was plausible, though.
Starting point is 01:24:19 No, no, no. For dinosaurs, not because it decays too much. But for certain animals and a small enough time span that could act as a preserving mechanism. What about Prince? Do you think he got bit by any mosquitoes? We could grab real quick and clone them? Yeah, I hope not, man.
Starting point is 01:24:36 I hope Prince was in a completely sterile environment for you know for safety Right right right right I'm just not a fan I'm just not a fan I don't get it No one's asking so what's the
Starting point is 01:24:45 What's the argument that they're That you haven't heard being made The Jurassic Park based Yeah well basically the Mosquitoes may be able to preserve Some DNA for some future generation In some weird way Who knows
Starting point is 01:24:58 This is the argument you haven't heard That I haven't heard that You would like to hear that? Yeah you just made it Done right here first The only smart program. Yeah. That we should preserve mosquitoes
Starting point is 01:25:10 because inadvertently they've probably preserved countless thousands of animals' DNA patterns. Well, what Candy Randy said when he was shitting on my beautiful argument was essentially... I would like to get through it. It was essentially true. You know, the DNA they've been able to pull out
Starting point is 01:25:26 of mosquitoes has not been complete enough to use for anything. However, they have been able to use parts of that DNA, I believe, to construct a genome, a more full genome based on other parts they found in other things like dinosaurs, dinosaur eggs. Jurassic Park, they did frogs.
Starting point is 01:25:42 Yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't know how much of that is fiction, but they've able to... A hundred percent of it is fiction. Jurassic Park. No, I'm talking about the science. The science that goes into it, yeah. I mean, there may be something, there may be something to it. Now they have the CRISPR technology that's able to splice DNA so quickly and easily.
Starting point is 01:26:00 Who knows? Who knows? Who knows what the future could hold? So, I guess the argument is, A big question mark. Should we eradicate mosquitoes? Yes, 100%. Put the Kickstarter on.
Starting point is 01:26:11 I will put $10,000 into that immediately. I'll do it myself. I'll send me to jail. Is there a crime for eradicating a species? Oh, boy, I don't know. I don't know if that's an actual crime, but that seems like something right up my fucking alley. Yeah, you should lead the charge.
Starting point is 01:26:27 Yeah. Get a box of them. Fuck mosquitoes, man. I would. The worst. I think I would do time. I'd be okay with doing time as long as I was known as the first guy to eradicate.
Starting point is 01:26:35 kid of species. Yeah. How fucking cool is that? Although people do it all the time. They hunt animals into extinction inadvertently. That's what I'm saying. Like all these scientists are always complaining about protecting all these species. But we do it all the fucking time.
Starting point is 01:26:50 Buffalo, we were gigantic things. We killed them. Nothing happened. Pandas are huge. They got killed. Nothing happened. These are just little stupid bugs. What do you mean nothing happened?
Starting point is 01:27:02 They got extinct. That's a thing that happened. But it hasn't affected anyone. Like, I don't wish there was a bunch of buffalo around. First of all, they, we, buffalo is no longer on the, uh, buffalo is no longer on the endangered species list because, because we started eating it. That's true. Look it up, shitheads, especially you vegans who keep arguing with me.
Starting point is 01:27:21 Uh, buffalo is no longer on the endangered species list because we started eating it again. And because there was a demand for it, we started harvesting it. We started growing it. Now there's, now for the first time in over a decade, Buffalo is no longer on the endangered species list. You want to save lions, start having lion tacos. Here's an interesting thing that I just read recently about the buffalo, though. I understand there's only three distinct breeding herds of true buffalo
Starting point is 01:27:48 where none of the DNA has been polluted by cows. I thought you said this was interesting. Oh, God. No, so I'm saying, like the real, real, real buffalo, 100% buffalo is more rare. No, you're true. You're true, Sean. Okay. That's true what you said.
Starting point is 01:28:02 All right. Good point. Anyway, guys. This is the worst problem on the first problem. the list. Dude, mosquitoes are the... Is it just me that has a problem with mosquitoes? No, a lot of people do. Like, I've had to sleep in my, in my bed, I've had to sleep with a sheet
Starting point is 01:28:13 over my entire body. Like, holding my arms out, like a starfish, and my feet. Because fucking mosquitoes keep flying in my ear waking me up every night. When they buzz in your ear, there's nothing more disgusting. No. It makes my skin crawl. I've, uh, I,
Starting point is 01:28:29 I don't know what, at what point this happened in my life, but I have stopped giving a shit about insects. I used to look for something to roll up and hit him with. Now I'm just using my fist. I just pound the fucker, or I slam it, or I mash it with my thumb, and sometimes I just sit there and stare at its guts
Starting point is 01:28:45 on my thumb. I'm like, yeah, you like that shithead? Huh. Yeah, and then I look it. It's very pragmatic. This is a serious question. Yeah. Can you get AIDS from a mosquito? No. Okay. Are you sure? Are you 100%? Sure? Yeah, that was a big fear in the
Starting point is 01:29:01 80s and 90s. It turned out to be unfounded because the AIDS virus, dies very quickly outside of the human body. How fast? What if I'm like having sex with someone with AIDS and a mosquito bites them and then bites that fast enough? If you're having sex with someone with AIDS... Anyway, Dick.
Starting point is 01:29:21 Is that all... Look, man, mosquito... And their bites are super itchy. That's annoying. You know, there are different types of mosquito breeds, too. There are mosquitoes I experienced in Europe that don't just bite you once and then buzz off, they bite you along a track on your arm.
Starting point is 01:29:41 So you'll look down on your arm and you'll see a bunch of little dots right next to each other. And you're like, what the fuck happened to my arm here? It looks like a fucking heroin addict, a junkie over here. And it's a mosquito because they'll sit there and keep biting you over and over and over again, same fucking mosquito, or maybe there's a bunch of them. But then I've seen these mosquitoes sometimes that get so thick and so big and so bloated with blood that they can barely fly. It's disgusting. They're disgusting creatures.
Starting point is 01:30:05 You ever whack one and have this big blood smear? I hate that. If I see that they're big and they've just eaten, I try not to. I try not to whack it unless you have something. I don't want... Even if it's not AIDS blood, I don't want blood on me, especially coming from an insect's belly.
Starting point is 01:30:20 Unless it's that insect's and that insect was a mom. Anyway, that's my problem. It should be at the top of the list. Yeah. Mosquitoes. Vote them up. Anyway, guys, yeah, my problems this week were helicopter parents and mosquitoes.
Starting point is 01:30:35 My problem's a job. Bob, but vote of mosquitoes. This one's kind of funny. I think. I just, well, what I wrote down describing it is funny. Let's see if it's true. Oh my God, did dick say that the food we eat every day is less harmful than drugs? That's fucking bullshit.
Starting point is 01:30:55 I've never fucking OD on a cheeseburger. Fuck Mark Merrin. I don't know. A little, uh, A little rejoinder there? Yeah. Oh, this one, this one might be good. Hey, this is Anita Sarkesian.
Starting point is 01:31:12 I'm just calling in because I think you brought in a great problem this week. Thanks. I think that Autorrect is a huge problem, but the one thing you didn't talk about is how much it objectifies women. That's true. That's true. It takes away the voice of women in society and oppresses them. So I feel like if you brought that up, I would have give you an up vote, but I'm not going to be able to do it. do it. Bye, bye.
Starting point is 01:31:38 See, that's why you keep, you leave the satire to the pros. That's it. I mean, there's just a ton of LSD call it. Oh, of course. Well, actually, Maddox, cares cancer. Yeah, look, guys, I've seen the research. I get it. I know you like to do your fucking drug.
Starting point is 01:31:57 Don't fucking preach to me. I just don't give a shit. You guys all sound like the same fucking dumbass donors. I think next week's going to be a lot more LSD calls again. Good. Somehow I'm predicting it. Fine. Bring it. Call in on LSD.
Starting point is 01:32:10 Yeah, what are you guys calling on LSD? Say how functional you are, you fucking tripping idiots. Yeah. You're functional in LSD. Are you? Yeah. I don't know. It's just like being drunk and high at the same time. Okay, great. That's what we want.
Starting point is 01:32:22 More drunk, high idiot callers.

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